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DEL.ICIO.USDemocrats’ soul on line in two races
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Republicans don’t have a dog in either fight, but two nationally significant races on Tuesday’s ballot will tell us a great deal about the mood of the country — and the future of two-party politics.
The one, of course, is Georgia’s 4th Congressional District, where incumbent Rep. Cynthia McKinney is in the final stages of her political career. But for an out-of-district white guy who sapped 5,253 votes, most of which otherwise would have gone to challenger Hank Johnson, she would be walking around in stunned defeat now. Johnson may not beat her Tuesday, but the end is near. Her political salvation — and it is only remotely possible that she is psychologically equipped to do it — is to move from the fringe.
In this contest, Republicans and conservatives have nothing to gain from her defeat and a fair amount to lose. On legislation, Johnson and McKinney will vote the same. They’re both liberal Democrats. The difference is that Johnson is less likely to do and say things that strike reasonable people as nutty. That’s not a good swap for Republicans.
The more significant race nationally is in the Democratic primary in Connecticut, where three-term U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, the party’s 2000 vice presidential nominee, is headed to defeat at the hands of anti-war activists who are waging their own jihad for the soul of the national Democratic Party. A July 20 poll by Quinnipiac University gave Lieberman’s challenger, cable TV mogul Ned Lamont, a 51-47 lead among likely primary voters. By Thursday that lead had grown to 54-41, according to Quinnipiac’s sampling.
Said poll director Douglas Schwartz, “Sen. Lieberman’s campaign bus seems to be stuck in reverse. Despite visits from former President Bill Clinton and other big-name Democrats, Lieberman has not been able to stem the tide to Lamont.”
The Lieberman-Lamont race, as Schwartz notes, is a testament to the growing power of the blogs, which emerged as a political force in Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign. “Three months ago,” said Schwartz, “Lamont was virtually unheard of, except perhaps on the blogs.”
Blogs, for the uninitiated, are Internet Web sites — Thinking Right is one — where people gather to debate or discuss issues of the day.
Lamont, like Johnson in DeKalb County, offers a prospective voting record that’s likely to be indistinguishable from the incumbent he’s trying to beat. In that sense, then, neither holds much interest for conservatives.
The only interest in both is what they will tell us about the direction of the party here and nationally. If McKinney loses this cycle as opposed to next, it’ll be because the black middle class finds her style slightly embarrassing.
She’s the black middle class’s Confederate battle flag. They may be drawn to her emotionally and see her confrontational style as a part of their valued heritage, but she’s become a symbol of a bygone era.
Maybe “bygone” was last week. Maybe before the war, Maybe before people came to think seriously about the divisions, which have grown more pronounced.
This runoff, then, says more about the perspective of the black middle class than it does about partisan or racial politics. The district is 59 percent black and just 33 percent white — and a fair portion of that 33 percent includes Republicans who have primary runoff interests of their own.
This is a pure play for black Democrats. They’ll be the ones to decide whether she stays or goes. This year. But if she remains the fringe Cynthia, the mainstream black middle class — somebody like DeKalb CEO Vernon Jones — will take her out.
Lieberman is a sad case. Except to speak moderately on the Iraqi phase of the war on terrorism, much as Southern Democrats once did with the nation at war, and precisely as Southern Democrat Jim Marshall, the Macon congressman who represents Georgia’s 3rd District, still does, Lieberman has committed no offense against the left.
As with the 4th District’s black middle class, a Lieberman defeat would tell us volumes — in Lieberman’s case, about the rise to dominance of the anti-war left within the national Democratic Party. His is the proxy contest. A Lamont win Tuesday fixes the party in Congress and probably for the 2008 election as well.
Republicans and conservatives have no dog in these fights. But on Wednesday morning the country will have a lot clearer idea of where the national Democratic Party’s soul has landed.
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By Mid-South Philosopher
August 5, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Once again, you have focused on the heart of the issue with respect to the McKinney and Lieberman races. I am going to go out on a limb here. I believe in the American people, whether they are from the 4th Congressional District of Georgia or the sovereign State of Connecticut. I believe that enough publicity has been generated about these two races that the citizens involved will have sufficient information to make the correct decision. “Lo, I prophesy,” come Wednesday morning, Joe Lieberman will be the Democratic nominee for Senator and Cynthia McKinney will be filling out job applications.
By DD
August 5, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this
Hey Wooten…focus more on the do nothing Republican controlled congress and their pathetic 23% approval rating.
That’s what selling ‘your soul’ to special interest and Abramhoff will get you.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
I vividly recall Joey LIEberman’s systematic cynical lurch to the left when he was the Albore’s defeated running mate. His tone and his attacks on Bush and Cheney and the GOP were much more strident. Then, magically he shut up a lot, when he deservedly lost his chance of being VP. But LIEberman’s voting record is pretty liberal, although he has been relatively sound on the war on terror/WW3, supporting Israel and the excesses of Hollywood. Bottom line — he’s as not as poisonous as the average DemoNcrat but still not really acceptable.
If he loses, as the polls seem to show is likely, it will serve to further paint the demoncrats into a far left corner which is a very good thing. They cant win nationally on such a stark ‘manifesto’. The disproportionately influential moderate swing voters wont swallow feminazi Pelosi and the likes of Fwank and Murtha running the house. Equally the far left, often treasonous senate left - which is most of the dishonourable opposition these days will find it hard to amass the seats they need to take control.
So if LIEberman goes, its not that big a deal. It will undermine the moderate dems, make fundraising for them harder and nauseate many involved swing moderate and GOP voters. His defeat will also end the congressional voice double of ALF’s ‘father”. LIEberman does whine and simper a lot.
If McKinney wins the status quo endures and the race baiting far left anti-semitic lightning rod will have two more years to acutely embarass GA and itself. If Johnson wins - then she may find coming back from that all but impossible. Johnson should find winning any McKinney primary challenge much easier. If he wins and retains the seat once then she is finished.
Majette stupidly got way ahead of heself when she beat the beast of Dekalb and her misplaced arrogance cost GA and her own career dear. The rabble who unflinchingly vote for her will sullenly accept the glorious change and move on - their emotional attachment to McKinney is not that strong for most of them.
McKinney’s defeat will not say much or offer any opportunity for rune reading about the DemoNcrats nationally. Its too local an issue/race.
A McKinney loss will be a time for great rejoicing, joy will be unconfined in much of GA. Allah will indeed be praised on Tuesday evening if we are finally rid of the McKinney curse!!
By Markus
August 5, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
I am so torn on the McKinney debacle I don’t know which way to turn. Half of me wants to see that arrogant, pompous, no-bill passing circus sideshow of political cenematography be thrown out on her weave. However, the other half of me wants her to remain in congress so Republicans can continue to use her as an example of Democratic Washington boondoggling along with the occasional snap of that hot head of hers (inherited from her “J-E-W-S” father). It would be so dreadfully boring without at least one arm flailing, big-mouthed tyrade a year from Ms. Tight Braids in Washington/Ms. Ghetto is Dekalb.
One of the best AJC Vents all year:
“Cynthia McKinney is the Republican gift that keeps on giving.”
Lieberman is a tragedy. He was one of the few Democrats I had respect for. The modern Democratic party, which used to be mostly moderate, has gone the way of far left liberalism with the likes of Dean and Pelosi. I actually applaud that. I hope the mainstream Democrats continue to shift further left in an attempt to find their niche. Lieberman is toast. He’s an outcast now. Even though his vote record is something like 90% yea-Democrat, it’s just not good enough for the loon liberal left. About the only thing CT voters and other Democrats have a problem with Lieberman on is his stance on Iraq and vocally supporting Bush over it. Hillary is playing it much smarter, by supporting the war effort yet trashing the wa the Bush administration is handling it.. she’s in the safe zone, right where she wants to be.
By Markus
August 5, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
@DD
Blow it out your communist liberal @ss. When we want your opinion, we’ll shove it down your throat.
By Murray
August 5, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
The fact that Joe Lieberman called upon “Lying Willy Clinton” to come to his aid is a bad sign, as it was Joe L. who criticised “lil Willie” during the Impeachment hearings…The fact that Cynthia embraced Louis Farrakhan is a bad sign.!!!
By Larry
August 5, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
Democrats? Souls? All Democrats who run for office first have to check their souls at the door. It’s a party requirement.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 5, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
The bitter truth for my Republican friends is that, with the exception of the “War” on terror, the record is not all that positive for the past five + years. We have discovered that a lot of Republicans are NOT fiscal conservatives and, quite honestly, not efficient crooks…to wit the Abramoff scandal. The President of the United States never met a spending bill that he didn’t like, and he is about as ept at controlling the southern border of the United States as I am at conducting a weightwatchers seminar!
As we come to the 2006 elections, while tax cuts have spurred the economy…with lower paying jobs…we now enjoy the highest health care costs in my life-time (and that covers a lot of years), the highest energy costs in my recollection (especially gasoline), and the perception that government is about as efficient as the proverbial “mammary glands on a boar hog.” And I haven’t even begun to discuss the illogical administration of (what could have been an excellent piece of legislation) No Child Left Behind!
All of these criticisms aside, the thing that scares me the most is that the radical left will come into power. While many of their domestic ideas may be good for the country, none of those are going to be worth the proverbial “tinker’s d*mn”…if there is no country! And, like it or not, if we don’t destroy the Islamists (not to be confused with the Islamics), we run the great risk of having our nation substantially weakened or even destroyed. It is just a matter of time.
In my judgment, it would be well to encourage the resurgence of some “blue dog” Democrats, but I am not sure that there are that many out there to be “resurged.”
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Well, Murray, you are correct that Lieberman criticized Bill Clinton — but when it came time to vote on impeachment, he was there with the rest of the Senate Democrats.
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
Philosopher, you’ve put your finger on it. Precisely. Dead on. Lots of conservatives, and certainly fiscal conservatives, have reason to be unhappy with much of what this administration and this Congress have done, or not, but would walk over hot coals to keep the radical left from coming to power in what, to us, is unquestionably a time of war.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
LETS ALL LAUGH AT THE ALBORE …
this free 2 min film - The AlBore’s Penguin Army is very funny … enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=al+gores+penguin+army&search=Search
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
Morning all. Good group assembling this morning. Try to stay here and not get in traffic since I hope to be heading to the South Georgia watermelon patch shortly and need a clear highway.
By Alex71
August 5, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
At least we know that the Republican Party’s soul is not on the line. It was sold long ago to the highest bidders.
By Jake
August 5, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
While I’m not a die hard Neal Boortz fan, his notion that the up coming mid-term elections are a golden opportunity to give the Republicans a kick in their proverbial butts is “dead on”…. For all the reasons that Mid-South Philosopher gives in his post above…… While I, too, fear the extreme left wing of the Democrats, this administration had been a monumental disappointment and things are worse for 98% now than they were when they took office.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Ned Lamont is a fighter Joe Lieberman is a kisser. The kiss of death along with Tom DeLay supporting him and supporting of the Iran er Iraq war, it is a no brainer. Bye Joe, Good riddence.
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
Yea, you can deliver the proverbial butt-kick, Joe. But the reality is that next-in-line to the ousted Republicans is Nancy Pelosi Democrats, not some more desirable alternative.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
Ned Lamont and Hank Johnson are a good start. I do not see very many incumbents I would vote for. The GOP will not even raise the minimum wage without attaching some enormous tax break for the wealthy. Enough is enough for the rich. What about the middle class?
By lee smith
August 5, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
I cannot understand, why in god’s name, anyone who was really a conservative would care one wit about the defeat of Joe Liberman. Wooten makes the mistake, again and again, of automatically associating conservatives with the Republican party.
There are a lot of us out here who have some very conservative views, and we are disgusted with the Republican party, which in our minds has been corrupted to its very soul by neo-cons like Wooten who every day spew out the most mindless and dangerous nonsense. We don’t want to be involved in all of Israel’s wars. We don’t want to “go to Tehran” and we don’t want our country overrun by illegals. What is conservative by constantly exhorting the government to extend more and more corporate welfare while spending your time defending corporate giants like Wal Mart, who are having a destructive effect, not just on American communities, but on the American psyche? BTW, plenty of us remember Liberman’s vote for the seditious Senate immigration bill and we will take great pleasure in seeing the neo-cons favorite Dem go down in flames.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Religion can hold power across borders.
The Shia Superstate can exist without redrawing the maps. Shia itself can rule Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Lebanon, and many many more.
It’s like when Ghandi made the British just leave. Shia has the influence to make each country’s leader abdicate the way the British did. Just leave.
So these elections are important because whoever is elected will have to deal with the new era of a Shia Superstate, which is going to have profound effects on every person on the globe.
The alternative in Iraq is we side with the Kurds and commit genocide against the Shia. This should send the Sunnis scrambling to Syria. Into Lebanon. It’s on. It’s on, and anyone that cant see it, will become obsolete (dead ahead).
(Anastasia screamed in vain)
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
Lee … you seem to be something of a typical head in the sand isolationist which is even less of an option than it was in the 1930’s.
Your post smacks of leave us alone rhetoric which wont work, there’s too much at stake for America’s enemies and whilst your sentiments are sound enough you are being rarher naive to just assume/hope it will all go away. The illegals will keep coming unless the house bill is enacted which sadly it wont be in its current form.
Even more pressingly if no one even tries to visit Iran with a harsh message/sanctions package (which likely wont work at all) and then a large well targeted hefty bombardment, soon enough Iran will visit them, with perhaps catastrophic results. The current relatively small scale IDF chastising of Hizbollocks is merely the (initial) curtain raiser, unless commonsense real politik prevails and the usual self interested appeasers in the EU + Russia and China actually bite the lets confront Iran bullet.
Neville Chamberlain over for tea - anyone?
By getalife
August 5, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Barney,
Yes, it is true that the Iraqi Shiite clerics support Iran and Hezbollah. Iran has won the war in Iraq for the ones who can’t figure it out. Our effort in Iraq was a waste of lives and money. They did not understand their culture until now. Not even close.
The sad part is, the scared Americans will happily give up the rest of their freedoms because they think W will protect them.
Nothing is further from the truth. This administration can’t be trusted for anything.
By Curious Observer
August 5, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Lieberman’s wounds are self-inflicted. His transgressions extend much further than supporting Bush’s approach to the war in Iraq—supporting reactionaries like Scalia and Roberts for the Supreme Court, for instance. While I have little use for the extremism of Pelosi, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Senate deadlocked on practically every issue. At least we might have a chance of avoiding budgets that plunge us into debt with their vote-buying earmarks. Right now, the extremists control both major parties.
McKinney crossed the tolerance line when she slugged the cop. That act offended the majority of every major constituency, black, white, brown, or red. She demonstrated that she lacks self-control, and I will be amazed if she wins the runoff on Tuesday, even with her last-minute ad blitz. Ideologically, the race’s outcome will have no effect in Congress, but it will say a lot about the voters in her district.
By Markus
August 5, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Lee Smith.. nice rant! You don’t understand why conservatives would be concerned about Lieberman? Hell only about three posts here including the starter by Jim describes why in detail. Can’t you read?
Regarding “corporate welfare,” ou do realize that it entails government incentive programs for corporations, correct? You do realize that these incentives entail corporations to offer things like insurance, healthcare, retirement, low-interest loans, and continuing education benefits to their employees, correct? Hell that’s right up a liberal’s alley!
You comments like “neocon” and “corporate giants” hardly paints you as a conservative, so don’t even pretend to be one, liberal troll.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Did some of you forget that Lieberman is an honest man? Did you forget that the honest man/woman is an honest senator? He may not vote a straight party line because he may think that line is not the best for the country. Don’t tell me that honesty is a lost “art”. It isn’t.
Lee Smith, would you tell us how to stop terrorism against America, recover from 9/11 and natural disasters and stop illegal immigrants without spending money? Your valuble advice would be appreciated. Yes, indeed, STOP everything and it will not be expensive.
Also L. Smith, if WalMart is affecting your psyche, you have a problem and it isn’t WalMart. We still have freedom to shop or not to shop in this country. Tell your psyche that.
Oh Jim, give one of those watermelons a thump and bring it back to us. We’ll behave better if you do that.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
The Shia superstate cant expand much beyond where it is now. Clearly you are very poorly informed about the sunni/shiite divide. Its utterly absurd to suggest Sunni Egypt would/could become shia… nor will Jordan Syria or S Arabia. . Not unless they are physically conquered and none of these states will be - at least not by shias. Iraq is the only one on that list seriously at risk, but it would be much more of a rump state, not the full blown IraQ as it stands today.
And we Brits did not just leave India because Ghandi “made us”. This is simply liberal propaganda stemming from that vile inaccurate travesty of a film about the pervert Ghandi. The Empire had largely served its purpose, we had a new very leftist Labour Govt after Churchill and the new commie/western world order after WW2 was quite different.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Markus,
You do realize the GOP gave tax breaks to send jobs overseas. How about the lobbyist controlled legisalation? Read up on that and while you are at it, check out the NAFTA superhighway and tell me, how is this good for our country?
By getalife
August 5, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Oh, and check out why the minimum wage did not get increased. If you are rich, I can understand your support for the GOP, if you are not, wake up and read.
By Markus
August 5, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
The “middle class squeeze” is a c**k-n-bull liberal crock. We’ve had robust durable goods and home sales for the past several years post 9/11. Anyone been to a mall lately? Best Buy? Who the hell is buying all this stuff? The “rich,” all whopping 5% of the US population that they comprise (according to Democrat standards)? The “poor” with no money? Once again the emotinalism of liberalism shoots before aiming.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Markus,
It is called credit cards and bankruptcy. Why do you think they made it harder to declare bankruptcy?
By Markus
August 5, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Getalife, much to your pleasure on this beautiful day, my time here is short lived. I’ve got a boat to launch.
In any event, if memory serves me correctly, your hero Clinton signed NAFTA, so you have no dog in that fight.
Second, we’ve already run the “minimum wage” issue into the ground here. I think it’s fascism for the government to shove wage mandates down company throats. I also think one is a loser JACKKASS to still be working a minimum wage job after age 21. You will not waiver on your stance, and neither will I.
Have a nice boring day trashing conservatives here. If I can get a wireless signal today, I’ll pipe back in.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
Look what Israel is doing to Lebanon.
The Muslim Brotherhood, (Egypt’s Hezbollah) can invite similar destruction upon Egypt if the Sunnis dont abdicate. Ditto Jordan. Ditto Syria. A shia superstate is upon us, and there’s nothing that can stop it.
We deal or kill ourselves killing them.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Markus,
We agree to disagree.
Keep reading and you just may learn something besides your ideologic mind set.
Have fun at the lake.
By Markus
August 5, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Getalife, I close witht one more thing before leaving: consumer debt is nothing new and has always grown with the economy. Take a looksie for yourself:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/G19/hist/cchistsa.html
By Susan
August 5, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
I think instead of all the big talk and hot air, I will simply look to the elections in November to see who believes in which party.
It will be interesting. Given the prevalence of frenzied hot air coming from the conservative side, it feels like the last gasp of a dying ideology.
Meanwhile, the cooler heads, such as getalife, continue to quietly, without bashing anyone else, tell the truth.
Thanks, getalife.
I enjoy reading your comments.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
I never knew geo-political analysis like that was possible.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Markus,
I know, the deficit really is not all that bad
Check out the latest bankruptcy figures.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
Barney,
Look what Lebanon’s Hezbolla did to Israel? Invasion, killing and capture of soldiers, and shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Did you not notice that?
Are you raising a white flag for Israel and other mid-East countries? I don’t think that Israel has any white flags in mind. What are you suggesting? Cut & run for all of the Middle East or what?
By lee smith
August 5, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
The other day Bill Bennett had Mitt Romney, Gov.-Mass., on his radio show. He was asked by Bennett what leverage we had to compel China to help in the “War on Terrorism.” Bennett thought that China had an interest in seeing us tied down in the Middle-East. Romney said that he thought that that leverage was China’s desire for access to our markets. Romney is a smart guy, and after listening to him I think I might have a candidate in 2008 after all, but he is wrong on this. This country is so addicted to cheap consumer goods that politically it would impossible to deny China real access to our markets. People have come to see shopping as a recreational activity, and cheap consumer goods, as an entitlement. This, Dusty, is an example of how the Wal-Mart mentality has damaged this country’s psyche. The other day I took a I took my niece for a ride through rural Georgia. We came upon a small town and my niece remarked, “think how far they have to go to Wal-Mart.” This, Dusty, is an example of how the Wal-Mart mentality has damaged this country’s psyche. The poor child believes that Wal-Mart is essential to human existence. Some of these posts should be put in a museum under glass with a sign that reads “How the Neo-Con Mind Works.” These people are so deluded by Neo-Con Radio they have absolutely no idea what American Conservatism is about. If you really think it is time to “go to Tehran” or “go to Damascus” then I hope you will be offering your services, or those of your children, for this “noble cause.”
By joell
August 5, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
Mckinney may lose but its been enjoyable watching her rock the boat.
Why are black “leaders” remaining silent on this election just like they did in 2000?
They’re afraid to back Mckinney because it would anger “Mr Charlie”; they’re afraid to back Johnson because they would be viewed as “toms” by many in the black community.
So these “leaders” remain silent.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Thanks Susan,
Markus thinks that I am a Democrat but actually I am an American who is strongly in favor of government reform. I have way too much time on my hands and read way too much about out current situation.
Bottom line, we are definitely heading in the wrong direction.
By Reconstruct Georgia
August 5, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
I like the part about Cynthia as the black’s rebel rag, Jim. Well put.
Middle-class blacks in the USA are forced to be more pragmatic than their suburban white counterparts, who have the luxury to pretend their is no racism in their country, and the hatred from the redneck element regarding McKinney is uncomfortable. The “high tech lynching” of this woman makes decent people, white and black, nervous, knowing the propensity for racial violence amongst certain elements of Georgia “society”.
Let’s face it - given the mediocrities that infest the Georgia congressional delegation, that McKinney should receive such an inordinate amount of attention is proof that white racism is alive and doing well in Georgia.
By Moses (Black Jew?)
August 5, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
Those polls are very telling, thank you. I didn’t think it was that skewed across all polls.
By Claude
August 5, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Jim,
I very much disagree with your comment:
“In this contest, Republicans and conservatives have nothing to gain from her defeat and a fair amount to lose. On legislation, Johnson and McKinney will vote the same. They’re both liberal Democrats. The difference is that Johnson is less likely to do and say things that strike reasonable people as nutty. That’s not a good swap for Republicans.”
Replacing a nut with someone who’s not a nut is always a good swap.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Well, Lee, just maybe your “poor” child’s family does a lot of shopping at WalMart because they can get more for their money there. You may be amazed that people with low and middle incomes find economical shopping attractive, even if it Walmart. I don’t believe their psyche is telling them to do it. Their pocketbooks are.
I haven’t heard conservatives say “go to Tehran” or “go to Damascus”. Don’t believe everything you read on blogs and hear on radio. And for goodness sake, don’t fall back on that tiresome rhetoric “offer your services”.
As I have mentioned before, my father, husband and oldest son have all served honorably in the military, two of them during war time. You may find that your views are the ones under the glass case at the Cut & Run Museum.
By Too Many Bigots
August 5, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
Good points, Reconstruct.
After all, blacks were denied the basic right of equal protection under the law in Georgia until the 1960s - not that long ago! I believe that was in Mr. Wooten’s lifetime, but so many people like to forget or pretend.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
McKinney did vote against the Iraq war but saying W knew about 9/11 before it happened reeks of a conpiracy theory that some believe but I an not buying it.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Say it with, Murtha was right about Iraq. So you can save the cut and run rhetoric, it makes you sound silly. How many more of the troops do you want to see killed for nothing?
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
the mohammedan brutherhood are SUNNI!! It is actually a vastly more fractious division than papist vs proddie in christianity.
The MB in Egypt are closely watched and harshly controlled by the Egyptians when they get too uppity. Mubarak is one of the more benign dictators in the middle east, but still a dictator.
You clearly know litle about the middle east … you seem like a typical ignorant News Max moron. Either that or you are a poorly contrived, obtuse troll - at least try and manage some kind of meaningful point next time!!
as for lee … forget your puerile neo-con labels bubba and just look at the real world. You can keep your smug holier than thou I’m a real conservative label - it will be utterly irrelevant as and when the real war in the middle east starts. What is to be determined are the sides, how many sunni dictator states will the Iranians peel away? Probably not too many as they are more self interested in their own fiefdoms.
Its not about “going” to Iran - its about the inevitable consequence of Iranian aggression which sooner or later will have to be dealt with.
as for your walmart porch wisdom - most every country likes cheap goods, china trades with most of the world, but at a huge growing cost to their ‘productive’ environment and people. For now that’s a cost they can/will bear, but sooner or later it will catch up with them and devastate their economy, the only question is when and will/can the effects be staggered and thus managed?
as ever susan’s emotive factless drivel entertains wonderfully. nice to see the conservative side retains your ire - I simply wouldn’t have it any other way dearie!!
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
getalife … your continuous theme and anti-GOP tone on here smacks of liberal Bush bashing. surely even you wont deny that. If not for your frequent denials, no one would think anything of calling you a leftist Bush basher … whatever your political ‘motives’.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
I’m recommending the Sunni/Terrorists Uprising/Insurgency cut-and-run. (sorry). They started it. We couldn’t contain it. They’ve got to try to get to the Syrian Border before we wax them. They go first.
Shia is merely responding to the Sunnis grab for power. The 52 card deck. It had a joker. George Bush.
The horn of Israel’s dilemma is that they cant risk a larger engagement, which seems imminent and moot.
SO why shouldn’t Israel fall back and regroup and figure out where everything falls while they collect their wits.
If Israel doesn’t cut and run now, then the Islamic Jihadistd run amoung us and upon us.
They hear a clarion call in their zeitgeist, (that they have been zeitgeist-trained to hear): “Become the lion!”
Look what happened to Ziegfried unt Roy. Ze lions surrounded him unt blitzkrieged!!!
This is why we needed to separate church and state. The church is easily manipulated by foreign ideology nuances.
But dont ask why me. We all got it comin’. (We all got it; second coming). We allowed a deacon wannabe to be our president and now we’ve the devil to pay.
But show that ALBORE penguin cartoon. I love cartoons. It’s fitting that we watch them together as we remember our distant childhood, where predictions of such a world we face now would have brought a straight jacket. (and a bar of soap….dont ask)
By Reconstruct Georgia
August 5, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
time reveals the “conservative” strategy for the Middle East - kill them all, let God sort them out.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
lies,
If you think it is W bashing, well he is our glorious leader. Please get religion out of politics, it is a very dangerous combination. Especially for born again Christians who were drunks and drug users. Destiny for disaster, if you will. I have no political motives. I do not get paid to post, do you?
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
Murtha is the poster boy for cut & run. He has ruined a record of service and is now considered more a kook than an astute thinker.
Your question about wanting troops killed also goes under the kook category. I prefer to consider less brain-washed comments than yours. Au revoir to you Getalife. Go smoke a cigar but don’t direct your babble to me.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
I must be off lovies, I have tea and spotted dick waiting for me. Reconstruct, you sound alot like Redneck with all that dribble.
I have no life…
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I bet you have a pretty mouth! You sound alot like Ann Coulter, I wouldn’t boink her with Barbara’s dick.
Has anybody ever wondered why white women are conservatives? They’ve benefited from that damn tragesty of Affirmative Action more than blacks have. I guess they are just mindless followers of their men. Good for them governor!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You are right. You are blind to the facts. Iran won the war in Iraq and you want more to die for that fact.
Disgusting.
Good riddance.
By lee smith
August 5, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
Reconstruct Georgia is wrong if he/she thinks what we are seeing in the Middle East is a ‘“conservative” strategy. What we are seeing there is the playing out of the fantasies of the Neo-Con usurpers who have hi-jacked conservatism for their utopian and idiotic dreams.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
the id stealing wanker is back again … how sad is that!!
tiny lobotomizedbrain … your trademark dishonesty is hilarious - nobody “wants” troops killed … how ever all the signs are that a massive conflagration is coming sonner or later in the middle east… unless the world decisvely acts to confront Iran. The Iranians are pushing the envelope everyday and building up their military with a shiite mushroom cloud as their avowed aim!!
you cant even admit that your posts consistently LOOK like leftist Bush bashing - in tone and content!!
you must be drunk again - to post the rest of that bollocks!!
the conservative strategy for the middle east is simple - confront and permanently stop terrorism, state sponsored and all other kinds!!
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
The problem is that most americans dont understand the difference between the words, “ethnic” and ” sectarian”.
The difference is the age of those two different tribal ties: over 10K years (ethnic), and over 1K years (sectarian).
The two different subsets of ancestry intersect in a evolving subsets of population control that knows no border.
The Iraq border arbitrarily split these older ethnic liasons so that when they rejoin, it becomes a defacto invasion of one country over another. (like a global coup, but the conspirators are countries)
Persians…Kurds… Arabs… Turks…. Metro-mullahs: Those are the old ethnic geneologies. It’s too complicated for me to explain it to a non-klingon-dilithium-crystal-abuser, okay?
Now remember, I just told you that you weren’t one of those.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
The neocon plan failed. We need a new plan and new leadership. They have created a bigger monster by their actions. There will be hell to pay for these neocons failures and they should be held accountable.
I feel bad for our future generations. They will not see peace for a very long time. I think we should presure the clerics, preachers, ministers, etc… to promote peace and stop inciting violence. Like General Pace said the other day, we must love our children more than we hate the enemy.
By Susan
August 5, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
“as ever susan’s emotive factless drivel entertains wonderfully. nice to see the conservative side retains your ire - I simply wouldn’t have it any other way dearie!!”
Nope, feeling mighty calm these days.
It will be awesome to read your ranting and raving after the elections in November.
Instead of spotted dick, how about hooking up with Rusty Dusty?
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
THe sunni/shia civil war in Iraq is only in Iraq. Sunni/shia peace is the fact of life in every country in the middle east. Shia is a 10% minority, Sunnia a 90% majority. They live peacefully side by side, because 90% of Shias live in Iraq/Iran.
However, the sunnis will accept a shia superstate if it means that Islam rules the middle east and all foreigners or seculars are evicted.
That includes USA and Israel and Nato and the entire non islamic world.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Cartoon Idea. Show bush ripping apart the original Teddy Roosevelt Teddybear from the turn of the century. no reason, he’s just a little boy who got some box cutters.
I always wondered how the British felt after we gained our independence when they realized their King was insane.
King George needs a bath.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Jim W said yesterday he would find out who was doing the id stealing. Here’s a response to the email I sent him:
“The multiple name changing has caused posting to the blog embarrassing to some, and AJC has provided me with these findings. The person known as Realist (to my surprise) is the culprit. As I have re-read some of his posts, I see now that trouble is what he loves to start. Inform your peers that he posts with the same email sometimes while he changes the names. I am working on a way to have a registered site. Jim Wooten”
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
lies,
I guess you are too stupid to recognize the Iranian rhetoric is not real, it is political to incite the masses. It is working and they are getting more support.
Their political rhetoric is aimed at the US and Israel to show us as evil and we played right into their hands. There are over 1 billion Muslims and most hate us.
Once again, W is the leader of the neocon failure and I will point out the failure for the slow and stupid like yourself.
By Reconstruct Georgia
August 5, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
Alas, Susan, be careful gloating. Never ever underestimate the stupidity of the red state voter.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Wanker aka coward,
I’m beautiful. Every year I win the Mrs. America contest. But you are as ugly and vulgar as they come.
Black and white women are often conservative because they are smart. They know a good thing when they see it. You, for instance, do not fall in the category of anything good.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
I told you Realist is a fake.
It happens all the time at Luckovich’s blog but the culprit has never been outed.
It is probably a conservative over there like Andy.
By Reconstruct Georgia
August 5, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
It looks like Realist gets his ideas from the Roger Ailes/Lee Atwater playbook.
Silly little bigot that he is.
By Reconstruct Georgia
August 5, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
So smarrt women are conservatives? Tell us why you are then, Dusty.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Is that the real Barbara?
Or is it the wanker again?
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Thank you Dusty
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Now the fun part. the Kurds remember the end of Desert Storm when our F-16’s circled overhead while Saddam’s Helicopters annihilated their army. (and granny and sister sue).
Remember 2 years ago, we armed the Kurds. We reinforced their ideas about holding on to the resources they were squatting on.
The Kurds are digging in. They are imploring us to help them set up a barrier to fend off the Shia.
If we dont get the hell out of dodge in a few weeks or tommorow, we will get sucked into the 10K year old civil war that we just put our flag in front of for no reason other than george bush/cheney did what the Saudis told them to do. The military industrial complex cant run one mile without oil. The saudis lobbied legally and won our country.
I want it back. now.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I would enjoy debating the topics with you today. I have a prior engagement. I am not fake, just the target of the “wankers” ire.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Getalife, if you’re going to pretend to be a liberal, in the larger conspiracy of trolls who each occupies a place on the partisan spectrum, then stop embarrassing liberals by using terms like, “you’re slow and stupid”.
You embarrassed the liberal side. We dont want you unless you edit yourself one last time before you post, and remove all and each tongue lash. Just dont do it.
It’s embarrassing.
By Larry
August 5, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
All,
WSB is showing the Mkinney/Johnson debate. McKinney is a joke.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Low life on the loose. Hi, Susan. Bye, Susan.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Google the Kurds before you post about the middle east again.
Read for two minutes. That’s all I ask.
Then you’ll know what’s dead ahead in Iraq/Iran/Lebanon/Jordan/Egypt/Syria.
We are at the end of an era..the era of CIA carved hegemony in the middle east.
That power structure is obsolete.
We bought ourself a half century with that, and that aint bad. (sarcasm)
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
It is hard to tell but I think it is Realist too.
Barney,
Just call him like I see them. I am not a liberal I am an American who is paying attention. I do not pick sides, it is silly. There are major problems facing America and worrying about sides is not one of them.
By Susan
August 5, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
So Realist is the troll and the trouble-maker. I think rarrringt and I caught the fakery within hours.
I find it interesting that I received a weak public response when I stated that I have only posted under one name and with the same email the entire time I have been on the blog. Jim posted a rather ambiguous response. Not upholding that I was one person under one handle and one email.
But when a conservative sounding troll like Realist is the culprit, we find out only because Barbara quotes from a private email she received from Jim.
Jim, I think it’s beyond time that you insist on some form of security. Aside from the joking and good-natured sniping, everyone here, regardless of what part of the political spectrum to which they adhere, takes their beliefs and opinions seriously.
I think you see with more honesty what each side really believes, and that is to me the epitome of free speech. And this form of free speech is further aided, when honestly used, by anonymity. I know for a fact that most people here would not dare say in public the thoughts they reveal on this blog.
Now, I would have no problem doing so, but I am in a uniquely secure position and have nothing to lose. But I can also appreciate that there are folks on this forum who have jobs and professions in which they cannot openly express their political beliefs. They stuff it down at the office and use the blog as a means to blow off steam. I think that is a healthy thing to do, and as I am not their boss or supervisor, if they are free to spend hours every day at work on this blog, more power to them.
So, Jim, I would really appreciate any efforts you might make to thwart trolls.
If that was indeed you and it was indeed Barbara who posted the quote from your email.
Or maybe I’ve been punked by “Barbara“‘s email. Jim, please let us know directly what is going on. Thanks!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Barney,
Too late, there is civil war in Iraq
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
@get a lobotmized brain …
the Iranian rhetoric is “not real” … just as Hitler’s and Eichman’s rhetoric wasn’t real - eh?
PHEW!!! that’s alright then, presumably their current quest for a shiite mushroom cloud aint real then - nor is their $100 million plus a year support for Hizbollocks, nor was their holocaust denying convention, or the Iranian instigated murder of argie jews many years ago … or the US Marines in Lebanon etc etc … none of the Iranian rhetoric or actions are real … getatinybrian says so!!
as for the ID STEALER … such small minded cowardice will be rewarded by Allah himself!!
I think 500 public lashes at a Kerry for President rally so there’ll be no media coverage and almost no one there at Six FLags, followed by a nice long ride on a three legged camel with acute irritable bowel syndrome through a large Afghani minefield would be a suitable punishment -for starters!!
kicking him/it/her off would stop the need for individual extra log ins which might just put other ‘new’ folks off joining in the fun - we already log in here to the ajc any way to even get to post/read the liberal news.
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
The Braves are getting ready to play.. Go go go Braves..
See you later, gladiators.
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
The 12:23 Barbara is an imposter who misrepresents her and me. The alleged e-mail “quoted” is phony.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
@get a lobotmized brain …
Barny,
This is another reason why I call him slow and stupid.
lies,
No silly, Hitler was serious and your genocide plan like Hitler’s will fail and is ridiculous.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Thanks Jim.
It did not add up but I still think Realist is a fake.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Okay, I cant take anymore. I did it!! I DID IT!!!! Yes, it was me. I was the troll. I did it, and I’m glad. And I’d do it again.
I was trying to take over the blog…and I almost got away with it too….if it hadn’t been for you brat journalists!!!!
Oh what a world….all my beautiful wicknedness…gone forever….what a world…what a world……
I’M SPARTACUS!!!
I’M SPARTACUS!!!!
What a bunch of fallguys. i love it!!!
Jim, you’re a genius.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
Barney,
Please give me the bullets to your gun before you shoot yorself again.
Go get Otis, he is drunk again.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
re: ID stealing … its getting to the point where one cannot trust another post from certain of the familiar id’s.
its just a game for some sad moron - but it spoils the blog for those who are actually participating.
Realist might of course just be a lefty of some sort who is deliberately trying to inflame folks with far right patter, or he could be for real and is just winding up (particularly) some of the black folks on here. There’s so many possible scenarios…
By Jane
August 5, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
The 2008 election will be similar to the 1972 election in the Dem will nominate an unelectabe anti-war candidate who will polarize the party, but not move the general electorate.
By Barney Fife
August 5, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Just a joke. (I’m not the troll).
ID stealing is a big who cares. If you’ve got an insight to offer, what does it matter if the ID is getalife or Ugottabekidding or barbara?
you all act like your id is valued, like AJC readers are going, “Oh look, honey, Getalife just made this amazing insight about the middle east and he made barbara look like a fool, wow, he is a genius, man oh man, i love that getalife.”
That aint happnin’ anywhere for anyone, anyhow.
Just post and STFU about imposter IDs and try to stay under 10 posts a day.
Remember a troll is defined by the quantity of posts and 50 plus a day is the biggest giveaway.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
See if you think this is funny Barney
Please God,
Do not speak to W again so he will not push the button in your name.
Amen.
Insane!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Talk about terror, a President wanting the rapture to happen is very scary.
Lord help us.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Hello. This is the real Barbara, checking in for the first time today. None of the prior posts are mine. I generally don’t read or post often on the weekends. Imagine my surprise at seeing that someone has been posting as me all afternoon. Getalife, I don’t agree with you, ever, and the imposter has even gone so far as to offer reasonable exchange with you to try to fool you. I’m sorry about that. The only thing they said, that is true, is that I do enjoy debating with you. I do appreciate the fact that you saw through it and asked if it was the real Barbara. You are learning my character. I look forward to debating with you again soon!
Dusty, TFTT didn’t specifically defend himself, so I’m going to do it for him. He has never, nor do I believe he will ever, make that kind of lewd comment about women, and I know that’s especially true with me. He would not say something like that about me, so you know he didn’t write that to you.
Barney Fife, yes, we do value our IDs. This is not a one time blog. Many of us read Jim’s blogs every day, and we do value our IDs and they help us to understand each other and debate each other on serious matters. We take it seriously. If you don’t, then move on.
While I don’t agree with Realist on everything, I would never sell him out. I agree more with him than I do with some of the liberals who post here.
And Susan, for the record, I would never post a private email from Jim on his blog. I know Jim won’t be offended if I say this; I’ve shared private emails with him before. I trust he wouldn’t share mine, and I wouldn’t share his private communications. Barney, this is the point I was making - our IDs do identify us to our fellow bloggers on this site.
I probably won’t post again today, so all of you have a good day.
By Jim
August 5, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
Does anyone think that Mr. Wooten would support, endorse or vote for Joe Lieberman if he were running for a US Senate seat in Georgia? Of course not.
It really doesn’t matter what position on the Iraq war that any local or national Democrat takes — as it simply isn’t good enough. You must also have a “R” by your name to qualify as a reasonable choice for Mr. Thinking Right.
Frankly, the idea that one party’s plan and vision for America future should be endorsed as the only option is not a healthy direction for the country.
By Susan
August 5, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
@Barney
Who appointed you the troll-identifier or arbiter of this blog?
Oh, as you have posted 12x already today, I guess you have already broken your “stay under 10 posts a day” rule!
Hypocrite.
You, my good man, have no more right to as you so eloquently say, “STFU” than I do!
And just for the record, getalife is one of my favorites, so yes, I can give him a shout out whenever I please.
@Jim Wooten
I truly (and no sarcasm, none at all) appreciate your email.
@Time
And heaven forbid, for once I completely agree with TFTT, his 1:59pm post that is.
Time and I both have no problem with a good debate. We’ll snipe each other and we’ll disagree til the end of time about most issues, but I would like to know, for crying out loud, that I am debating English Time, not some faux weasel fronting as English Time.
Is that too much to ask?
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
Okay, me again! I didn’t think I’d come back, for I do fear the ID stealer, but I couldn’t help saying Susan, Oh My Goodnes, girl! Mark the calendar. This is the first (and oh, please God, the last!!!!) time, but I agree with you 100%. I think they’re serving Ice Water in Hell right now :-)
See Jim Wooten, both sides want you to stop this stupid ID stealer. Can you set the blog up so that there can only be one person posting under a specific name, and that name has to be associated with one email address? That might be an option that doesn’t require a password. Can you look into that?
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Oh, and Susan, if you care for my opinion, I really do think Time was schooled in the UK. Look at his misspellings for example….. He substitutes “s” for “z” in realize and other words. He spells theatre and other english words in the old english, not the American english. I think he’s for real. I don’t know why people are hung up trying to “out” him as a fake though. In the end, does it really matter? (Except, of course, for curiousity’s sake.)
By getalife
August 5, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
That is why I said to Jim it does not add up. I speak the truth about reality and you and your party does not accept reality. They refuse to except it. If they did, they would say Mr, Murtha was right about Iraq. It will never happen.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
Are you ready for the rapture?
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
Okay, getalife. IT’S ON BUDDY!!!!
And yes, I am ready for the rapture, but if God gives me more time on this earth, I would very much appreciate it.
And in the spirit of our usual debate, I’m going to scream at you. After all, would you expect less??? IT’S YOU AND YOUR PARTY THAT DON’T ACCEPT THE TRUTH. Ooohh. I feel better now……
By getalife
August 5, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Is this the real Barbara?
If so what is the truth?
By Jake
August 5, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
To whoever was wondering about no respectable black legislator speaking up about McKinney….FYI, John Lewis endorsed Hank JOhnson today!Hallelujah!!!
By Jake
August 5, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
OOPS! that should be WHOMEVER…sorry
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
The truth is Murtha is full of it and his backpedalling is pathetic. I hope the Army burys him under the jail.
That’s the truth….
By getalife
August 5, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
Barney,
Is that you?
By Larry
August 5, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
All,
There is a special on A&E about the conservative movement since the 80’s. I never knew that skinheads and the Aryan Resistance aligned themselves with the Right. Kind of depressing.
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Barbara, let me explore with the technical folks your suggestion about allowing only one poster to use/own a name. I’m not a fan of passwords, but I agree that we come to know each other by the ideas expressed and by the issues we choose to address. That, plus the information you choose to reveal, helps to establish personality and helps, too, to make the discussions more interesting. So when another Barbara pops up it does detract from the identity you’ve established. That’s especially harmful when the imposter posts comments that you and others find offensive.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Looks like the nasty little troll has driven folks away - I’ve just got back from a late luncheon.
Cheers Barbara for the kind words, obviously I dont treat folks/ladies like that on here, except Rednecks who deserves whatever ‘reflexive’ abuse he gets - but in fairness I actually doubt if its him doing this.
I agree with Susan that its important to know you’re actually bantering with who its “supposed to be”. Why waste time and energy on posts/debate if its pointless?
Most of the id stealing drivel one can usually quite easily spot. I spotted fife’s middle east drivel this morning and called it on it. Its the very short messages that are a bit harder to nail down.
Barbara - I absolutely object to the notion that I ever misspell any words on here, other than for comic effect or the odd typo. Unfortunately its you Americans who have the Webster problem (grin) … our MUCH OLDER, more august Oxford dictionary serves me very well.
DEATH TO THE TROLL!!
DEATH TO HIZBOLLOCKS!!
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
Imposter, you’re getting easier and easier to spot. I guess getalife has signed off for the day. Your antics are becoming quite the bore…..
Larry (if it’s really you), I agree that some of the past conservatives have been an embarrassment. Just look at Jesse Helms. However, we, the current conservatives, are not responsible for the sins of our predecessors. It doesn’t make us wrong. Keep strong brother.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this
No Barbara, I am still here and waiting for rednecks to chime in on Larry’s(I think) comment.
Get ready, it should be good.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
But that wasn’t you at 4:19, (and possibly 4:06) was it? This is really getting hard to maneuver through……
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
Surprise!! I’m a woman and I don’t make lewd remarks. Just the facts, mam.
Oh rats, now the Reds have won. Go Braves. I still love you!!
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Larrry,
There are actually politically leftist skinheads in Europe. Skinheads of various types emerged in England in the late 1960’s and many were associated with football violence with some British clubs - and usually far right politics - they have their own culture/slang/music/attire etc. The NF or National Front was for a while the bigger fascist/nazi group in modern England post 1945 - Moseley’s Brownshirts were the Hitler era British fascists.
After a few factional/personality schisms the NF became two rump parties in the early 80’s … and the BNP or British National Party increasingly took over the role of the Nazi like vanguard in the U.K. …. with Column 88 being the very small violent armed wing if you like, although they were not formally linked with the BNP or the NF.
The right in Europe is actually NOT nazis or fascists - that’s the far right, a vital distinction… although watch some of the left on here maybe try and dispute that fact later!!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
Don’t worry folks.
Its just George preparing us for the rapture.
Repent your sins and it will all be over soon. George has his finger on the button and he has spoken to God again.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
I was wondering what happens if we turn the Holy Lamb of God into a shish kebab …
sorry Barbara …
I’ll get my coat
By RW-(the original)
August 5, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
Jim,
We have been after the AJC to implement registration for months. Every political blog here turns into a cess pool and the cause is always the nic jacking. I have no earthly clue why they won’t do it as it’s a very simple program. The basis is already in place with the overall site registration.
If you go back to the early days of Luckovich’s blog you will find very spirited discussions on real issues. Once the name jacking started that was pretty much the end of that. Now we have spirited name calling instead.
Some of us that would like to comment on your site have purposely stayed away because we know what it will degenerate into if we start posting here. It appears you already have the problem to a certain extent and it’s a shame to allow the whole site to go down the tubes when the solution is so simple.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Truth, I’m going to convert you before this life is over. Don’t worry though, God does have a sense of humor! As long as you don’t turn your back on Him, He enjoys a good laugh as much as the rest of us.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Im bloody sure that God (if he exists) has an English accent - but no umbrella or bowler hat - and hates the bleedin’ French!!
By Susan
August 5, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
Yes, Barbara, the planets must be in retrograde, for I completely agree with you and TFTT about the ID business.
I think you care deeply about your beliefs and opinions, and TFTT does as well. And I stand behind everything I have written.
And while you both would disagree vociferously with me about, well, everything, you and I most certainly have commmon ground in wanting to be sure that our names are associated with only OUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS. No one else.
Viz TFTT and is he or isn’t he British, my experience, while limited, would tell me he is having us on. I have a friend who hunts with the Beaufort hunt, and his speech is not laden with so many British colloquialisms. Again, though, I cannot extrapolate from one Englishman to all others so I shall not try.
But regardless of his background, I enjoy jousting with him and make no mistake, there is no one out there fit to imitate his unique brand of self-expression.
I know you must be in shock after this post, so please, a big tall glass of iced tea (mint, lemon optional) might be in order for the both of us. (grin)
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Discouraging,RW. I will pursue it next week. When the conversation turns sexually suggestive or racially offensive, you can practically see people walking to the door to get out of the room. It’s the death of good debate.
By Taking a Peek
August 5, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Time,
I understand aligning themselves with the left (party of activists and rebels), but what draws them to the right in the US?
Christianity? I don’t believe its the south simply because the most violent activity of Skin Heads is in New Jersey and other northern states. It scares me to think I vote and support the same people a hateful, vile, low life skinhead or klan member would.
Religion has always been the best way to brain wash people. Just look at the image of biblical characters, white washed from top to bottom. Tell a neo-nazi that Jesus was more black than white and I’ll probably be beaten to death like a minority…lol
By Dusty
August 5, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten,
I would like to agree with RW’s analysis . A lot of us used to enjoy the ml blog and then it went from back to worse with name calling and name jacking. There could be few decent discussions. I still try once in a while but it is treacherous ground.
RW is a professional in this line of work and in everything he does. I hope that some progress can be made.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
JIM …
Just a small point … if the (new) ids/names are going to be registered some how, will we ALL get to keep the ones we already have or will any id be up for grabs? I realise this may not be known just now - but is something to keep in mind - as and when.
I assume there will be hefty compensation for those of us who maybe lose out, having already cultivated a distinctive, certain id/persona - (just kidding).
By RW-(the original)
August 5, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Jim,
Glad to hear it! Name registration wouldn’t stop a debate from being injected with racial or sexual dialog as there are many in the blog world that would deliberately try that simply to cause trouble or to attempt to sabotage a debate.
That seems to be the roadblock every time we can get someone in internet services to talk about our complaints. They say that they can’t monitor the sites constantly and the comments wouldn’t stop anyway etc. etc. Of course this isn’t the intent to begin with, but so far it’s been impossible to make that clear even to the “survey monkey.”
What it would do is stop someone from doing it in someone else’s name and forcing that person to spend the rest of their time denying the comment, thus perpetuating the original vile comment. It would become very self-policing.
By On the other hand:
August 5, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Where is a good ol’ Ross Pero when you need one. He was the only one that could hear the sucking sounds of Nafta and maybe he would be the only one who could smell a nuke being launched. T
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
If the technical folks are able to come up with something satisfactory, I would do my best to see that you keep the names you’ve established. They do have value in that we’ve come to know each other by your writing and debating style.
By Barbara
August 5, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Peace Susan! I’ll have a drink in your honor tonight, for starting tomorrow, we will be calling you Nazi Susan again! But for tonight, I grin with you. Call it sleeping with the enemy!
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Susan, I have been English since I was born many many moons ago in a far off island paradise (under the Tories at least) across the Atlantic. This questioning nationality thang is the oldest ploy of all - but its hilarious to read all the “ink” devoted to it. It sure is fun going into Home Depot and asking for an aluminium ladder or whatever. Asking for “water” not “warrrter” in my usual accent is the best one though - causes confusion at least 3/4 times a week. Americans tell me I have a great accent - I tell them I dont have accent - but they do. Some get the joke, some get huffy.
Peek
Skinheads tend to be drawn to the FAR right because they are brainwashed and cajoled into hating/fearing those different to them. Its also about being rebels and activists too - but in a different, unusual way. Just like the fanatical mohammedan nutters brainwash arabs etc against jews in schools on tv in books and newspapers etc - every single day!! Its also a racial solidarity thang, just like the Black Panthers, NAACP etc - forgetting about the actual left/right political divide in this example. Also the gang thang of belonging kicks in … with the rituals/clothes/leadership ladder/culture etc
Yankee skinheads would not think too much of rednecks’ comments about white folks.
By RW-(the original)
August 5, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
Jim,
If they do agree to implement registration, all you have to do is tell the regulars to use an email where they can be reached (now that they are hidden) and have someone pass along the instructions for registering before it’s implemented for the whole site.
I guess I’m doing the same thing I don’t like by derailing your topic myself. Sorry!
I’m supporting Hank Johnson until next Wednesday. There you’re sort of back on topic!
By Jim Wooten
August 5, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
No, RW, registration wouldn’t stop that but the regulars are really good about striking a balance between good humored bantering, even when it involves name-calling, and serious discussion. The name calling doesn’t bother me all that much, though some of the newcomers to the blog are a bit put off by it.
Some of you switch personalities — funny sometimes, playfully combative at others and intellectually serious about the issues under discussion — and sometimes all on the same day. So I think you come to know each other and argue as though you expect to be friends afterwards or to be debating again tomorrow. In general, while I’m away sometimes for much of the day, I’ve come to be pretty comfortable that most of the posters, and certainly the regulars, abide by a code of debate conduct that you set for yourselves.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this
Well lies, you just may get your wish
Remember the nut you see in NY city screaming the rapture is coming.
That was W whacked out on coke and liquor. Now he is the decider and he fell off the wagon. I am preparing for the rapture as we speak.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
looks like you’ve been off the wagon all day and all night AGAIN getatinybrain!!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
RW,
I see you and your other personality are talking about me at ml’s.
Sad.
By Taking a Peek
August 5, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
While I agree with you,TFTT, on the Black Panther comparison, I have to respectively disagree on the NAACP. I thought the same until I actually went to a meeting back in college and saw Asians, Hispanics, Potuguese (Brazilian) and Blacks as well. Came to realize that it wasn’t a separatist org, even thought they are liberal in domestic issues.
TFTT, you are extremely intelligent. Maybe its because your mind is not clouded with Jesus dribble. Barbara sounds like a mp3 soundbite from Sean Hannity. Poor gal.
By getalife
August 5, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Hey lies,
I never claimed to be a born again or on the wagon. The rapture is coming so I am definitely indulging. LOL.
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this
Peek … I used the NAACP thing as a quick general symbol - I am quite aware that its not completely black, and I know you couldn’t glean that from my shortish post.
Cheers for the kind words.
Barbara is OK - she know that we dont see eye to eye on religious dogma - but I respect her right to believe in what ever she wants. She wont EVER convert me though - nor will anyone - I’m way too savvy for that :)
By RW-(the original)
August 5, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
getalife,
To be fair, one personality is talking about you specifically and the other is talking about the foolishness of your mindset. Of course, just about everyone realizes they are two different people. I even think you know that!
By time for the truth
August 5, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
verytinybrain
I hope the rapture runs you down and you becomes a loud, pushy Born Again Bush voter!! … smirk
By Taking a Peek
August 5, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
Nice blog, gotta run because of the storm and all of its glory. I hope those on the northside of Atlanta feels this wrath!
By getalife
August 5, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
RW,
Over at ml’s, there is no telling who is who and what is what. I quit trying to guess a long time ago.
By Barney Fife
August 6, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
Wooten’s McKinney/Flag analogy was the best writing I’ve seen in years.
Using only two sentences, he intertwined syntax and imagery, constructing a nostalgic helix of broader issues laced with local ones, and delivered a real-time x-ray of our ideological DNA.
If we didn’t know how we felt about Cynthia McKinney before we read his minor masterpiece, we do now.
By Leslie
August 6, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Lieberman’s offenses against his own party date back to the 2000 Presidential campaign when he kissed Cheney’s butt during the debates. He has long been more interested in cozying up to the right than pleasing his left constituants. His party is making him pay for years of disloyalty…just as the Republicans would do to one of their own who was disloyal. Connecticut is a leftie state and that is their right to be so. If there were more Republicans there then he could win on an indep. ticket maybe but he does not have the chance of that. So cry if you want to Wooten, but Lieberman is getting his just desserts from his party. You only like him because he agrees with your side. Are you not smart enough to see that the Democrats oppose your side and we will cut out any of our members who agree with our political enemy? You would do the same thing if the tables were turned. So stop whining about Lieberman. His days are numbered. Amen!
By Barney Fife
August 6, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
I’ve been trying to kill this huge housefly. Big, fat, and lumbering, he has managed to escape every trap I’ve set. He’s some sort of super-tsetse. I nearly put a hammer through my living room picture window.
Finally got him with a Blue Cross pamphlet. How ironic. Wonder what his HMO would have paid if I had broken my window going after him.
I think it’s time we had a national Blue(bottle) Cross FleaMO.
Healthcare for all demognats!
By getalife
August 6, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Its funny how the GOP will cut and run from the civil war in Iraq.
Karma.
By Barney Fife
August 6, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Cartoon Idea: Show mel g. ripping apart stuffed animals which all are shaped like the Schlitz Malt Liquour Bull.
Caption: Watch out for ze Boodle. (ze Schleetz Malts Liquour Boodle)
By RW-(the original)
August 6, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
Leslie,
There is a very clear and recent example of how wrong you are. In Pennsylvania in 2004 Pat Toomey was far more closely aligned with the Bush administration and conservative principles.
If your justification for forcing people to march in lockstep with your ideology really did apply to both parties then Specter would have been thrown under the same bus you guys are running over Lieberman with.
By Barney Fife
August 6, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
If only we could cut and run, my fine friend across the aisle, but I’m so very afraid that it’s moot. Now we are actually trapped, (conjuring Barbarosa). We’ve have strapped a diplomatic mission on our military arm, and have thus weakened it. As soon as the Vermacht’s geo-political mission was changed ideologically, they were annihilated. ( That’s why you dont mix church and state). The separate, geo-political mission of our Troops in Iraq is no longer defineable, and hasn’t been for over two years…We’re sitting ducks. (55 days at Shiaking).
By Dogwood
August 6, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
I am a white christian woman who can trace her roots in Georgia to the 1700’s. I support Cynthia McKinney. McKinney represents the diversity of ideas and opinions that are becoming all to rare in our increasingly monolithic congress. She is not afraid to raise troubling questions. Cynthia McKinney voiced her concerns about our misadventure in Iraq from the beginning while the rest of the democrats caved in (perhaps they were afraid of embarrasing their districts). A lot of Americans soldiers have paid the ultimate price for this war and our children will continue paying for it into the foreseeable future. McKinney represents an alternative concurrent approach of debate and dialog to our limiting dependence on military technology. The United States is becoming paradoxically less valuable to our allies as we have become marginalized and weakened by our lack of diplomatic options. We will be further weakened by adding an inexperienced nice guy with no background in national or international issues to congress.
By Dogwood
August 6, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
I noticed in earlier comments some discussion about the Sunni/Shia split. My impression is that traditionaly, the Sunni were the more dominant upper class and the Shia represent a significant minority working class in much of the Persian Gulf region. I am curious what the current demographics in the region are.
By JK
August 6, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Once again, Mr. Wooten speaks as if he were an expert on Democrats — of which he is adamantly NOT — and how they should vote on Tuesday to save their “souls.” What a joke. DD was right yesterday morning (8:15). Tell us about YOUR guys, Mr. Wooten. What the HECK is going through THEIR minds while they do such and abysmal job making a mess of everything? And stop blaming the mess on the people NOT in power, already! If you’re a confessed member of the “conservative” (haha) Republican camp, then you have a lot of explaining to do on behalf of YOUR buddies. Please do not waste another minute! We’re waiting…. Thanks in advance for your helpful insight.
By Barney Fife
August 6, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Young, Upwardly Mobile Islamic Lions (fully vested).
Not an IRA, but an….okay is is exactly like the IRA. \
When we look at the Islamists we are looking in a mirror. Every observation made by every participant has merit. Prayer has merit. Do that.
By getalife
August 6, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
RW,
I think it was you and your friends that called Mr. Murtha a traitor and said he was wrong about Iraq.
How about standing up like a man and apologizing for your comments and have the decency to admit there is a civil war in Iraq and admit we should cut and run.
It just may earn you back a little respect.
By RW-(the original)
August 6, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Mothra called our soldiers cold blooded killers. He said we should put a quick reaction force in Okinawa. He was the one that convinced Clinton to cut and run from Somalia which is what OBL said was proof that Americans would not hold up when shown their own blood. He is the one that held out for a bigger bribe during Abscam.
If an apology is in order it is that idiot apologizing to the American people and retiring to the life of obscurity he deserves.
Does that work for you?
By getalife
August 6, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
Just as I thought.
Nevermind.
By onepartyisbad
August 6, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
Seems to me like Republicans are the ones who need to do some soul-searching: Abramoff, Reed, Guantanamo, Abu Grahib, and so on…
I have a few questions: 1) When is this paper going to balance this neocon blog with one representing a countering viewpoint? It doesn’t have to be liberal, even a moderate one will do. 2) Since when did “liberal” become a bad word in this country? In my dictionary, liberal means: a) Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry; b) Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Based on these definitions anyone should be proud to call themselves a liberal!
By Susan
August 6, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
You’ve got to hand it to Hezbollah. After nearly 30 days of being bombarded by the finest US supplied weaponry, they are fighting back stronger than ever.
Awesome strike on the kibbutz today!
It’s starting to look like the mujaheddin vs. Russia in Afghanistan.
Viz an earlier post, my understanding, limited though it may be, is that typically Shia Islam is generally populated by those who are poor and mistrust the more secular Sunnis. That’s why they have been susceptible to the message of Hezbollah, Hamas, et al.
And Condi n Bush n Tony n the French are doing a bang up job on that cease-fire.
By getalife
August 6, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
To learn from your mistakes, first you have to admit you were wrong. I do not see this happening and will not happen.
The GOP and their supporters are not honest and have lost all credibility. There is no accountability for their failures and we should not listen to their rhetoric and show them no respect. They are to be ignored to move forward and clean up their mess.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
onepartyisbad: I have a few answers for your few questions.
1) As soon as they find a liberal that can write something that makes any damn sense!
2) Liberal became a bad word when it was first used to describe the idiotic thinking of those stricken by the liberalism disease! That’s why y’all are changing it to “progressive”!
3) I looked up “liberal” in my dictionary and it said, and I quote, “one with S* for brains” and there was your picture!
**HOW DID IT KNOW???**By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Heil Susan: You MUST’VE been one of the Hitler youth! Been to any good Klan meetings lately? If the world will leave Israel alone long enough you’ll see those idiots BEGGING Israel to stop! If it wasn’t for the liberal news media and “world opinion” Israel would REALLY clean up that HELL HOLE over there.
A Jewish Rabbi spoke at our church this morning. You should’ve been there! You might actually have learned something about the error of your ways. Heil Susan!
By Dave
August 6, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Three observations:
Mckinney is now in office because of her uninfomed, racist, biggoted black constituents. She may well be reelected because she has the SAME supporters.
Liberman is a leftist liberal, and is liked by some consevaties because of his moderate stance on the war against terrorism. He is still very much a leftist.
The following three mental states cause 98% of our world problems: l.The quest for Power. 2. The quest for money through GREED. 3. All Religions, when practiced while wearing blinders.
Thank you. I rest my humble case of OPINION.
By Susan
August 6, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
“If it wasn’t for the liberal news media and “world opinion” Israel would REALLY clean up that HELL HOLE over there.”
I don’t think I’ve had as good a laugh in many a day.
You’re telling me Israel is ‘letting’ Hezbollah rain rockets down on its northern cities because they’re holding back due to pressure from
a. a liberal media b. world opinion
You are really stretching here, Ugotta.
And what on earth would the rabbi have to tell me?
Ugotta, you’ll believe anything a neocon tells you, no matter how illogical or contrary it may be to reality.
The truth is, after 26 days, Israel is receiving more bombing attacks, and the fact that they have plane, warships and tanks and every techno gizmo the US sends them for free, and they cannot make any headway.
More of their people are dying. More bombs are being dropped. So, aside from killing scores of women and childre, aside from destroying Lebanon’s infrastructure, aside from bombing its airport, fuel depot and aside from it repeatedly bombing the suburbs of Southern Beirut, what have they accomplished?
I’m not going to hold my breath for you to respond.
And I believe, as firmly and with a greater level of conviction, that your opinions about this conflict are wrong.
You’ve told me in past posts that your god was going to bbq me in hell, that I am a nazi, and any number of other silly epithets.
Just because you’re angry does not make your opinion valid.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Greetings folks, I haven’t had time to keep up with the board today - I’ve been thinking about changing my screen name to The Terrible Truth About Rednecks, what do y’all think?
Please try to be constructive.
By Barbara
August 6, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Ah, Nazi Susan returns! So much for the little cease fire we had on this blog too…(hee-hee-hee). While this doesn’t make killing right, I don’t think the Israelis haved killed nearly as many “women and children” as have been targeted by the terrorists in their land.
And Susan, the reason Israel is not having an easy time is that they are fighting using rules of war, trying not to kill innocent civilians, dropping leaflets in towns to give heads-up evacuations. The terrorists don’t use those same tactics. They strike, without warning, and their target is always civilians. I don’t understand why you continue to take up for the terrorists over a people who have more principles.
By dogwood
August 6, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Susan, Being Sunni or Shia isn’t like being Lutheran or Methodist. It is more like being Protestant or Roman Catholic. There was a basic split over a thousand years ago. I might be wrong, but I believe the Sunni have been the dominant group in most of the region except Iran, so you would have more opportunities if your family was Sunni. Many Sunnis are secular, but the Wahhabi (I keep mistakenly typing Wasabi) sect of Saudi Arabia is a conservative sect of Sunni (sort of like the Southern Baptists). In regards to the posting just previous to mine, I know I am not Black, and I do not think I am particularly bigoted, uninformed, or liberal for that matter, but I think McKinney is the better candidate.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Susan, as you describe them, it seems that Hezbollah is made up of the rednecks elements of Muslim society…
Or perhaps our rednecks are America’s Shiites?
She-it!
By dogwood
August 6, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
I would say I am a redneck.
By getalife
August 6, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
Het rednecks,
Did you read Larry’s comment?
“By Larry
All,
There is a special on A&E about the conservative movement since the 80’s. I never knew that skinheads and the Aryan Resistance aligned themselves with the Right. Kind of depressing.”
By Barbara
August 6, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
Me too, dogwood. Unfortunately many don’t understand the real redneck. That is, a born and raised southern country person! They want to add in a lot of hateful descriptions that really don’t apply to the typical southern redneck. Personally, I think we’re a lot of fun!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
It’s refreshing to see some of the Con bloggers actually addressing the attraction that the GOP has for white racists and xenophobes, instead of the usual denial and ad hominem attacks on people who are merely pointing out the obvious and well-documented.
By getalife
August 6, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
I am sure you are fun Barbara, just stay out of politics.
Killing others because they scare you makes it worse for the rest of us.
Do you think there is a civil war in Iraq?
By dogwood
August 6, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Civil war was inevitable after the US invaded. Iraq under Hussain was a lot like Yugoslavia under Tito. I am also concerned that the Kurds will destabilize the region. There are Kurds in parts of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. We will be lucky if the Turks don’t go in after the Kurds from Iraq that have been crossing over the border and causing the same sort of problems that Hezbollah has caused Israel. I have not thought of a southern analogy for the Kurds. They are not Possums or collards, grits or Moon Pies.
By Susan
August 6, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
LOL, rednecks like Hezbollah!
Good one, Rednecks-AA.
Imagine this as a battle scenario.
Send over a bunch of rednecks to fight Hezbollah.
I think they’d be flying back here in body bags so fast your head would spin.
I would call this a win-win proposition!
By getalife
August 6, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this
dogwood,
I see you have been reading and you are well aware of the situation. Saddam kept the lid on the only way possible through intimidation. This is the only way you maintain order in Iraq and now the lid is gone. There will be no order until they fight amonst themselves to find the order. Mr. Murtha tried to tell them but they called him a traitor and a coward.
Try to get a conservative to admit this fact and read what they say.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
Heil Susan: The thought of you “holding your breath” for a couple of hours IS a nice thought! You ought to be “room temperature” about now, the same as a lot of your hero Hezbollohs. If Hezbollah is NOT getting their a*******es kicked, then WHY are THEY calling for a ceasefire? And DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE that they can stand up to a FULL-FLEDGED WAR with Israel? Duh-huh!!! Israel only has about 10,000 troops along the Lebanese border and they’re only surgically bombing Hezbollah targets, trying to minimize civilian deaths AND EVEN YOU’RE smart enough to realize that with your 72 IQ. Of course a lot of those “civilian deaths” that the liberal news media is reporting are more than likely Hezbollah fighters and supporters. They would be dressed as “civilians”. YOU KNOW that they don’t wear uniforms. So take your trash someplace else. Go talk among your LIBERAL friends, they’re probably stupid enough to believe your smut!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
Bring back the KKKrusades, make them use period weapons (big knives and hot oil), make all the fundies and evangelicals participate. Seeing a bunch of redneck Muslims and KKKhristians hacking each other to death in the deserts of the Middle East would be a happy day for humankind…
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Hey getalife: Hope you’re doing well today little buddy! I just wanted to AGREE with a couple of things you said at 5:10.
1) The “lid” has been taken off those idiots in Iraq. Sheer power and domination is probably the ONLY thing they recognize.
2) And I agree, JOHN MURTHA IS A TRAITOR!
your friend, Ugotta
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
Rednecks-America’s A*******wipe: Just be thankful that “KKKchristians” as you call them have fought and died so that TRAITORS like you and your fellow Nazi Susan can blog your opinions freely!!! It sure as Hell hasn’t been for A*******wipes like yourself!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
Well, all this talk about people being traitors, from right here in Atlanta, GA - ancestral home of the monstrous obscene treason called the CSA - a treason not only to the United States Constitution but to the decent opinions of mankind.
Does John Murtha remind you filthy loud-mouthed rednecks of your great-grandaddies?
By Susan
August 6, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
Ugotta, now stop that! You’ll be itchy and inflamed and that won’t be fun.
And I don’t think you want to put rhuligel down there.
All that shoutin’ on a Sunday!
Guess y’all left the Beatitudes out of your version of the Bible. Which, while I’m on the subject, is as flexible a document as we’re likely to see. You can literally buy one that says things the way you like.
Is there anything I can do to expedite the Rapture? Do tell.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
America’s-A*******wipe:
No that poor pitiful b’tard just reminds me of A*******wipe TRAITORS LIKE YOU!!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Susan - it will be another great day when Jeezus comes and gets all these KKKhristians and takes them to the Great Trailer Park in the Sky…
By getalife
August 6, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Hey Ugotta,
How is John Murtha a traitor?
Do tell.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
Hey Rednecks-A*******wipe You don’t really bother me. Apparently we must really BOTHER YOU! All you blab is the same old wornout “hate speech” as you liberals call it. But then that’s ONLY when it’s aimed at you, right? I forgot how “righteous” you “progressives” are. Tell me again! But then, never mind, if I want any more S* from you…I’LL JUST SQUEEZE YOUR LIL’ OLE HEAD!!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
getalife: When a moron like Murtha is accusing OUR Marines of “slaughtering innocent civilians” before ANY EVIDENCE is presented in court, before he has a damn clue what happened, JUST to get his TRAITEROUS A$$ before the TV cameras and position himself for a run at Majority Leader? GIVE ME A BREAK. Even a “nice” Liberal like you can figure that out…IF YOU WANT TO!
By getalife
August 6, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
Think about this. If Mr. Murtha did not expose the attempted and failed coverup, the Iraqis were.
Now tell me, if the Iraqis were to expose this coverup, how would it have looked for our country? They knew about it and were going to expose it and you call Murtha a traitor for that?
By getalife
August 6, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
If you want to look at the facts, start with the official press release the marines got out that said the civilians in Haditha were blown up. They changed the coverup story and go from there.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 6, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
getalife: Whatever happened to “innocent before proven guilty”? He was shooting off his mouth before anything was known. He shouldn’t have been accusing our guys of slaughtering these people. THAT’S WHY he’s getting his butt sued now!!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 6, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this
Ugotta, please. Your diatribe is old, thin, and completely unoriginal. Other misfits like yourself might find it edifying, but, come on, we’ve heard the same old tired crap on talk radio for the last 20 years. My bet is that Mr. Murtha has almost as many medals as you have silly yellow ribbons on your SUV.
Let’s face it, my posts are a little exagerated, but no one can argue that they aren’t based on facts and learned opinion. The GOP of today has the same constituency of the southern Democrats of the 1950s - scared, stupid, ignorant, racist xenophobes.
You’re acting like a mean (as in common and small) man, Ugotta. Scared of your shadow, you run for the cover of the flag and cast your many aspersions on war heroes like Murtha under the cover of cyberspace.
Stop it.
By Periwinkle
August 7, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
Funny headline. Everyone knows the Democrats don’t have a soul to put on the line, IMO. Although it has been entertaining to watch the Dems cut off their noses to spite their faces in Connecticut. The far left has been better at dividing the Dems than Karl Rove himself. Keep up the good work lefty loonies.
~Peri
By Realist
August 7, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Just to show you Republicans how Bush, Cheney, and their oil buddies have pulled the wool over your eyes, read time for the truth’s AlBore’s Penguin Army post/video link.
Then check this out.
Welcome to the real world where your religious views on gay marriage are a pawn in Karl Rove’s chess match and your views on war, terror, science, etc. are tools for the oil industry that is currently charging you $3.00/gallon.
By RetiredLTC
August 7, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me when all the chairborn commandos start casting stones and dispersion at those that actually served. They were there. Where were you?
By Stewart
August 10, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
Mirtha could have quietly put pressure on the Pentagon without going to the media and spouting off accusations. These guys very well be guilty and should be punished. However Murtha chose to put his political career ahead of all the other innocent military personnel in Iraq and used this incident as proof that his view of the war is correct. Within weeks of his tirade he announced that he would like to “Speaker of the House” should Democrats retake congress. Us former military veterans take offense to this as do most active ones as well.