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DEL.ICIO.USSchool choice, Guantanamo, McKinney
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s free-for-all Friday. Pick a topic:
You know you’re in a down-home, Southern fried county when, as the headline writer declares, “DeKalb under orders to boil.” Eggs, yes. But most everything else should be fried.
PR exec Joe Ledlie’s candidate for the most abused word is “hero.” It’s up there. If you have occasion to use the word more than, say, three or four times a year, you’re probably abusing it.
Polarization is good. Or so we might surmise from Andrew Young’s endorsement of U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.). “Congress needs controversy,” said the enabler of the endorsee.
Yes, that was our Fred Rheney who died last Friday in Smyrna. “Our” meaning that The Atlanta Journal never had a more devoted reader or better-informed letter-writer than Rheney, a 33-year Grady High School teacher, who peppered the Journal editorial pages with his incisive, to-the-point commentary for more than 40 years. His last letter, published in January 2001, celebrated Bill Clinton’s departure from the White House.
When parents are clamoring to put their children in a Catholic high school in a Duluth office park, doubling enrollment to 400 in one year, what does it tell us about the hunger for public school alternatives? Notre Dame Academy’s tuition of up to $8,800, depending on the grade, is within voucher-program range, and less than public schools annually spend per pupil.
Surely teachers are not complaining that the $100 handed them by taxpayers this year to buy school supplies and incidentals is not enough. Last year it was zero.
Gunshots were fired at a Jermaine Dupri party after one man tried to steal another man’s gold necklace. I’m there. Come after my high heels and we’re gonna fight.
I’d vote against a politician who continued to charge me for “boutique” gas when it’s selling for $3 per gallon — but of course you can’t find one responsible. Buy $3 gas in Fulton and the direct and indirect tax amounts to about 70 cents per gallon. The special “clean air” formulation “tax” levied by the Environmental Protection Agency adds five to 12 cents per gallon, while local, state and federal taxes amount to 58.9 cents per gallon. So the oil company takes a dime in profit and government takes seven times as much. Boutique gas requirements should be waived until sufficient refining capacity exists to support the different-city requirements.
Hey, morticians, keep your clothes on. No beefcake calendars. Preachers, too. And educators. Those who serve the mourning should not make themselves distractions. Don’t wear funny hats, dress in purple suits or take off your clothes. Brides and corpses should have no competition.
America’s resolve in the war on terror should be that of Cuban exiles on Fidel Castro. For almost 50 years the Cuban community has held fast, no matter the political and cultural winds, a fine example for a free world gone to accommodation and relativism.
About three times a week, guards at Guantanamo are attacked by detainees. One example: A prisoner faked a suicide attempt; others slicked the floors with human waste, hoping to overpower guards who slipped while coming to the prisoner’s aid. As in the entire war on terrorism, rules apply to one side only.
MARTA reports an $18.5 million surplus for the fiscal year ended June 30. What to do? The correct answer, mixed among those of the candy-store kids, is offered by Richard McCrillis, interim general manager. Save it for the bad times, says he. (Fire this guy. He’s obviously a kook.)
Fidel bad. Raul worse. But he’s not Fidel and in a decade Cuba will be a hotspot of capitalism. One drop breaks the dam.
For the first month ever, Toyota outsold Ford in July in the United States, it is sadly noted here. No guilt here for driving a foreign car, nor any belief that government should come to the rescue in any way whatsoever. Just the sadness that comes with seeing Rich’s go away, Delta under stress and an American icon experiencing hard times.
A fellow dies at 85 in 2006. His family attributes the death to asbestos exposure while working at the Brooklyn Navy Yard during World War II. Such is the place-blame world he departs. When I go, even if I’m 110 at the time, sue the pork producers. Or the DDT manufacturer. Or my parents for forming an inferior gene pool.
Jim Wooten is associate editorial page editor. His column appears Fridays, Sundays and Tuesdays.
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By Mid-South Philosopher
August 4, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
“Surely teachers are not complaining that the $100 handed them by taxpayers this year to buy school supplies and incidentals is not enough. Last year it was zero.”
If Sonny could arrange for teenagers to come to Georgia’s public schools wearing clothes (instead of exposing overstuffed, belly-button-pierced guts) and using a modicum of civil language instead of m f**er and the like in every other sentence, I know a lot of teachers who would send him a hundred dollars!
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 4, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this
Pardon my bad manners!
Good morning, Jim!
By Jim Wooten
August 4, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this
Morning Philosopher. Can’t help you on the teens. I’m still just trying to get them to take off their hats at the dinner table.
By spend wisely
August 4, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this
“At California State Prison, Sacramento, known as “New Folsom,” assaults: 44 [as of May 2006], compared to 45 during the same period last spring.” (http://www.vaue160.org/union/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=59)
It’s a prison. Prisoners held in prisons get nasty, sometimes. They are bad guys, criminals. Do we really want a world where our protectors are given carte blanche to act the same way that convicted criminals behave? Now, I will grant this: most of the detainees at Guantanamo have not been convicted and may not, in fact, be criminals. (that would be another argument altogether)
However, we cannot have it both ways. If they are indeed bad guys, criminals and “the worst of the worst” why are you surprised they act like other criminals in other prisons? If they aren’t criminals, bad guys and “the worst of the worst”… . Well, let’s just say I’d be throwing sh!t at my captors, too!
By DD
August 4, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
McKinney who has been right about everything she’s stood for has to fight for her seat. While Linder who’s been wrong and Bush bootlicker will get a free ride while he sells his snake oil tax scheme.
We live in a great country.
By zekemire
August 4, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this
HERE! HERE! HERE!
By Brian
August 4, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this
Hey DD, McKinney lied the other night when she said she was ranked the “highest” and “most effective” congressperson by congress.org. She’s really ranked 408th out of 438 [that’s bottom 10th percentile if you went to a city public school] nationwide in effectiveness according to that site, and not even in the top five in Georgia! Further, McKinney is loose cannon fodder who has no business in Washington. That said, I hope she stays in her seat. Republicans need her like a dog needs a bone.
By Joe
August 4, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Ghetto thugette race baiter Jew hater McKinney has to come out from under her rock and actually campaign for once, what a novelty. So, she received the endorsement of Andrew Young yawn….that’s worth about what, four votes? She’ll be strong in south DeKalb,but then again, that’s south DeKalb, ‘nuf said.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
Oh, is Jihad Cindy right about the J-E-W-S? Well, we had some racial stuff thrown around here yesterday, time for all the anti-semitic types to get in here and support McKinney.
By Reece
August 4, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Yes, that’s another genius idea from the far religious right. Set up a voucher program for schools and in 10 years when ExxonMobil or Citibank have gotten into the school business your gubmint voucher will pay about 32% of the tuition. Of course maybe it’s that you guys don’t want all citizens to have access to an education.
If you doubt the veracity of my words just look at the condition of medicine as a business.
By Mark the Lib
August 4, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Jim you consider throwing human waste on the floor an “attack”? Give me a break. I guess dogs “attack” us everyday with their waste.
By Brian
August 4, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this
How come the majority of McKinney’s donators had muslim names? Anybody? Anyone? Bueller?
Speaking of rap parties and shootings, has anyone ever heard of one actually ending PEACEFULLY in “The ATL?”
“The ATL.” What a stupid song. It doesn’t reflect me any more than that stupid “Izzy” mascot from the Olympics.
The ATL lyrics:
“Get ‘em up! Get ‘em up!” Get ‘em up!”
Yeah that’s what we have to do in downtown and Buckhood these days, that’s for sure.
By Minuteman
August 4, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this
I think Fred Rheney was a conservative hero. Condolences to his family.
The Mortician’s beefcake calendar of naked men w/funny hats? Sounds like they stole the idea from Abu Ghraib prison abuses. Now THERES a calendar idea!
Fidel Bad. Fidel’s brother Raul worse. Fidel’s other brother Raul baddest of all.
Teachers, who are all heroes, deserve more than a C note. (You cannot buy a bullet-proof vest for one hundred dollars).
However, if teachers want more money, let them pose for a nude calendar. I dont think we tittilate the middle school students enough. I know I was neglected. (Hi, Miss Maple)
I guess they have to boil the water at Gitmo Prison after those fiendish excremental attacks by prisoners. Kurds with turds. Hey, I just thought of another calendar idea!!!!
I think the Cuban exiles in Florida are heroes, too.
BTW: I love Kurdish food; especially the gyros.
Finally. I like to help people get rich….. To all of Bill Clinton’s victims of sexual harrasment: Do a nude calendar. I’d buy a dozen. Excuse me while I go re-enact Groundhog Day. (Oh good, it’s a leap year).
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this
I suppose I have always believed that Americans held themselves to the higher standard, to the standard of equality, freedom, justice. When we have fought wars, we have always held ourselves to the highest standard, regardless of how our enemy behaved (an excellent example would be to compare how the US treated Japanese POWs vs how the Japanese treated our guys).
It’s really a shame that people who claim to love this country so easily accept that we aren’t better than terrorists and that our troops/police/politicians shouldn’t be held to the higher standard.
True patriots have to stand up and answer those phoney americans by saying “yes, we are held to a higher standard, a noble cause, and have a just system.” Without that higher standard, it does not matter whether or not we defeat the enemy on the battlefield, for we have lost our soul and deserve to lose our sovereignty, our freedom and our liberty.
By Joe
August 4, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
McKinney is fighting for her political life. This is all or nothing for her and she knows it. McKinney has to be elected on a national platform, five of the biggest contributors to her campaign are from out of state, she has no future in local politics. Or, at least none that would satisfy her and her crazy warped ego. It’s killing her that she can’t toss out a race card in this one. She’ll come up with something though, something crazu, you can’t bet on that. Where is she hiding her crazy daddy, I haven’t seen that nutcase in the news; he must be in Lebannon getting a check from Hezbollah for her campaign, the mail service over there is not running too smooth these days.
By Brain
August 4, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
Actually Reece, it’s you liberal democrats that want to drag the rest of us down to YOUR level. Everything is about perspective. Liberal Land says that if the majority of students excel, they should be held back until the slower kids catch up. It’s all about fairness dontcha know.
By Lola
August 4, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
Racial polarization is the only way black “leaders” like Jihad Cindy can keep their weak-minded and uneducated democrat voters involved in the voting process. Maintaining the entitlement attitude is crucial to getting those people to the polls, as they see their free-ride threatened by the concept of personal responsibility. Without the race card to play, Cynthia simply holds no cards.
By Van
August 4, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
Mark the Lib,
Are you dense or something?
I wonder if that kind of behavior would be allowed in any US prison?
Wait, I am wrong, this is a religion of peace and tolerance.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this
When the guards at Guantanamo start flinging human waste at the prisoners, then you can start blathering about us not having standards. And how many beheadings have you seen there? Have we killed any of the detainees and booby-trapped their bodies so anyone trying to give them a decent burial is blown up?
By Me
August 4, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Jim, for pointing out why the federal government has NO INTEREST in taking oil companies to task over gas prices—-the government makes more than they do!
By That's Right!
August 4, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
By Brain,
Amen to to that my friend !!!! Our nation will soon pay the price of keeping the best at the bottom in the name of “fairness”.
By Debra
August 4, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
Cynthia Mckinney has been right every time as I can see. Cynthia can’t be bought. Remember Denise Majette. Cynthia can’t be shut up so people find so called Democrats we only here about during election time to try and defeat her. After the election we don’t here their name anymore. Think people it never fails. Since they can’t switch parties anymore they pull old so called Democrats and dust them off and try to find somebody to try to beat Cynthia. Please lets not fall for this anymore. See the real picture and let’s laugh at them in the Voting Booth.
By The Way
August 4, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this
Joe, Mckinney CAN use a race card. She only has to point at yesterday’s shameful day of blogging made by a handful of bloggers who made 90% of the 300+ comments on this arm of the AJC.
Any topic thread is drowned by the sheer number of chatroom style posts which can be categorized as, “I’m whiter than you”….I’m smarter than you……I’m richer than you……I’m funnier than you”.
All day long these same four topics are bantered back and forth, some posts being identical clones of each other, with only, “Aren’t I a genius” added.
Worse, each comment is a “Last Word” type remark, that is, where the blogger should go away in victory. But do they go away? NO! They soon return and regurgitate the same exact post. They are so very very clever. We are all dazzled by their brilliant prose.
These are trolls. They are the worst kind of trolls. They invent constructs of fictitious persons and then pretend it’s not them.
These five journalists have turned this blog into Myspace.balm, (which called by the way, they want their cheek-silt back).
By Van
August 4, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
As a member of the Progressive Caucus, along with John Lewis, I wonder about Crazy Cynthia’s loyalties. Is it to the people she is suppose to represent? Do we need a federal investigation into the death of Tupac?
Is it to the party? Is it to the “progressives”? Is it to Democratic Socialist of America or Socialists International?
Yes, the trail is long and somewhere in there she has her loyalties.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
Aquagirl:
It is precisely because we have standards that “rules apply to one side only”. Are you willing to say, go ahead become like our enemy, trade our national identity for an immoral “victory”? I believe that if you are true patriot, you say instead, yes, Jim, the rules apply to us. We are not responsible for what our enemy does, but because our cause is just, we will follow those rules”. That means we have to stop torturing prisons and allow them due process. That would actually be the American way. As a True Patriot, I will stand for the AMERICAN way, follow a code of laws and will fight to the death (literally and figuratively) against those who would prostitute my country, blathering on about “rules apply to one side only”. My America is better than sinking to that level, regardless of how we might be goaded by our enemies. Perhaps yours is not.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
McKinney needs to join the corrupt sleazebag Campbell in the big house later this month — FINALLY YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!! for the cowardly assault on an innocent non-racist hard working cop.
DD must have had an extra cup of that McKinney race baiting kool aid.
Ford’s products are a joke, as are GM’s and Chrysler’s. Clunky poor value for money.
Will the resident cretin Redneck’s ever take a day off from posting its compulsive robotic inflammatory pathetic bigotry about white southerners and actually debate/dicsuss even ONE substantive issue without resorting to its puerile trademark “you’re a homosexual” NA NA NA NA?
Its party time at my house when Castro finally dies!! His sorry leftist civil rights abusing enablers, including Carter, Redford, Belafonte, Sheehan et al are all invited for some People’s Temple like refreshments.
A suggestion for a blog topic … which (likely) GOP candidate for presidential primary will you support - and why? My money’s on ‘President Newt’, if he runs. If Guiliani runs and wins the nomination I’d probably reluctantly vote for his amnesty loving moderate politics come November. Cant think of any scenario for which I’d vote for McCain though - not unless HiTllary seriously looked liked carrying GA.
Camp Gitmo needs to stop slavishly pandering to the mohammedan thuggish inmates just because the vile multi culti BBC, the idiot Carter and the treasonous NY Times will screech if they dont.
BET should sponsor a one off huge rap party live on PPV shootout - last bling bling felon or lil perjurer standing gets to audition for American Idol - the show tunes version!!
Synagogues, Churches, Temples, Mosques - ooops … shurely shome mishtake with that last one - should have a last minute fund raiser for Johnson and get everyone in the state to drive over to Johnson’s new district and vote against racism and bigotry on Tuesday!!
Someone needs to teach the likes of zekemire how to type “hear hear hear” … its not a ‘geographical’ endorsement!!
By Problems?
August 4, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Maybe if we encouraged the shooters from Duluth to attend the funerals & weddings where morticians, preachers & attendees are laying their clothes aside, we could end the teenage violence. Enjoy the view and pick up, for free, what appeals to you.
Hardboiled eggs in DeKalb. Would those be McKinney voters? The yellow crumbling yolk would be their brains?
By Brian
August 4, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
McKinney has been “right” about everything? I haven’t even seen what she’s stood up for.. certainly nothing in the 4th except some rap museum or some other nonsense. She sure can’t get much done in Washington being ranked 408th out of 438 though, can she? She’s the laughing stock up there, and in Washington that’s where you are supposed to be effective as a congressperson. Nobody takes here seriously up there. But I degress here… I hope she stays in office. Republicans need all the liberal nutcases they can get in the crosshairs as a bad example.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Wow, two days in a row, I have not seen the word “liberal”. Good for you Jim.
How about that Hillary vs Rumsfeld debate yesterday.
She is calling for Rumsfeld’s resignation.
Accountability? Not yet.
By Corey
August 4, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
I am no McKinney supporter, but why I never hear the same, constant, criticism being hurled at the residents of Cobb or Gwinnett that’s always being tossed at residents of South Dekalb. Such phrases as “those people.” What’s up with that?
By Lane
August 4, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Terrorists spreading their cap causing America to slip. Only with the left’s help. Heck, the left buys the cap for them.
By Lane
August 4, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
O.K. O.K. cap=poop. :)
By Brian
August 4, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
Hey getalife, what about Hillary yesterday? Rummie didn’t punch back, and he should have. Actually that’s one of the major problems I have with current Republicans… they don’t punch back at Democrats. They just sit there and take it. I’m glad I’m not in politics. What’s up with your comment on ‘no liberal word’ around here today? Is this supposed to be a non-bashing liberal blog? Silly me. I thought this was a right-leaning forum or something. Thanks for straightening me up.
By Van
August 4, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Corey,
Anyone that would vote for Crazy Cynthia is one of “those” people. It has nothing to do about race, creed, color or religion, just general intelligence.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
No Lane,
I can guarantee that there was nobody from the left that popped a squat down at Club Sh#tmo to help the inmates revolt. Maybe it was the result of the crappy policy of keeping Sh#tmo open too long on behalf of the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, $ Co.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Oh, true patriot, what “rules” do you want to apply to the prisoners? Due Process? Only if they had applied for citizenship and moved here peacefully. Geneva Conventions? They aren’t considered POW’s under those same rules, by their own choosing. They get decent food, adequate living conditions, and are allowed to practice their religion. I don’t see any of our captured soldiers —or civilians, for that matter—-accorded any of those things. Most of the time they don’t even have access to an attached head.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
HiTllary’s cowardice yesterday was shameful - grandstanding for the New Yaawwwk lefties back home and potential pinko primary voters. Rumsfeld was the perfect gentleman, dignified and honourable in the way he treated the most corrupt, shrill senator NY has ever had!!
I agree though that Rummy should have battered her verbally!! These nasty liberals can hand it out but they cant take it!!
By Getitright
August 4, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Individuals incarcerated in US prisons are criminals and (mostly) US citizens. Individuals incarcerated in Gitmo are enemy combatants and terrorists. They have no rights or priviledges applied to US citizens. They are, however, treated with much more respect than the MSM would report. Maybe the MSM should take a page from Her Hinney, Queen Cynthia - that Proud Black Congresswoman - and ‘speak the truth’.
By J Tom
August 4, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
To True Patriots and others of like mind: If you take someone against his will and hold him, it’s kidnapping. By your logic, the police, D.A., judge and jury who lock people up for crimes would be ‘morally equivalent’ to a kidnapper. Your moral equivalency pablum has a deep philosophical and logical flaw: you ignore motive and intent. Terrorists abuse and torture innocent people to generate fear and pain. However, if we were to torture THEM, it would be in order to PREVENT the deaths of innocents. If you posit the counter-argument that sometimes we might screw up and torture someone who’s really innocent, and we would then be equivalent, you’re still wrong. Our motive and intent is not to torture innocents. Mistakes happen, like collateral damage and friendly-fire casaulties, but that does NOT make us evil - or equivalent. IT IS OUR MOTIVE AND INTENT THAT REPRESENT OUR HIGHER STANDARDS AND MAKES OUR CAUSES NOBLE. Am I saying the ends justify the means? Yes, indeed. This is a war against people who play by no rules but their own.
I just thankful that few people questioned the morality of all the bombing of cities - cities filled with children, elderly, and harmless people - that we did to win WWII. If we hadn’t, many more millions would have died in gas chambers, by firing squads, and of deprivation. Ask yourself, if WWII started today, would you support the massive bombing of cities like Dresden and Tokyo, and the dropping of nuclear bombs? Despite the deaths we caused, we saved untold millions of lives by doing so. Applying ‘moral equavalency’ logic to WWII would result in all of us being dead.
Bottom line: if I think my family is in harm’s way, and someone has information that my save him/her, I will take any steps necessary to get that information - including extreme torture - and I would never feel ‘morally equivalent’ to terrorists. I feel sorry for the families of those who do not feel the same way.
By The Way
August 4, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
Hillary ripped into Rummy like Cujo into Elvis’s Teddy Bear. Someone test Rummy’s testosterone level and see if there’s any left. Maybe Landis will share some.
Anyone see Rummy’s “Tailgunner Joe” act after Hillary’s broadsides? I thought I heard, “…at long last..” echoing in that room and Rummy will never be the same.
The partisam pendulum has reversed course.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
If we are a nation of laws, a participant in the community of nations and persuing a just cause, then we must abide by the rules of war. Would you trust Bill Clinton to decide who should be held as an enemy combatant? How about Hillary Clinton? Al Gore? I trust none of them nor do I trust GW Bush to make that determination. They are politicans with a stake in maintaining their power.
The United States is a nation of laws and therefore must abide by the laws governing their actions or forfeit the right to claim protection under those laws.
Japan in WWII clearly tortured and abused Allied POWs, they claimed they were not bound by the International Laws of War regarding the treatment of those POWs. Their leaders were held accountable for that action by the community of nations following their defeat. The US and our allies had a claim to protection under those laws — because we followed them.
You can cry all you want about “they are terrorists”, “they aren’t US citizens”, they aren’t POWs” and the abuse of American’s held oversees. It makes you weak to stoop to their level and it makes you UnAmerican. The America I fight for is better than that. The Americans I fight beside are stronger than any enemy. The Americans I defend deserve nothing less.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Gunshots were fired at a Jermaine Dupri party after one man tried to steal another man’s gold necklace. I’m there. Come after my high heels and we’re gonna fight.
Have we not grown to expect this from the rap/urban segment of America? These guys are about one rung on the evolutionary ladder above having a bone through thier nose. They are savages. Their grunting and groaning barely passes for language. They have set thier people back 1000 years with these wild jungle antics. Protect your children and denounce this lifestyle in your home. Like everything, it will run its course and be merely a pimple on the a*s of history. Just like disco.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim. Some interesting topics today.
I agree with you on the vouchers. The public schools hold back the children who are brighter, in order to let the slower ones catch up. It’s not right. All children (including the children of more wealthy or more intelligent folks) should have the opportunity to reach their full potential. Why do we have to cater to the lowest level instead of meeting everyone’s needs?
I saw a lot of teachers expressing joy and gratitude with the $100 gift card. God bless public school teachers! If a few complain, oh well. They are still doing a job I could never do, and they deserve our respect.
As far as the Gitmo prison, I can’t believe anyone would think that we’ve stooped to the level of the terrorists and other prisoners held there. So what if a few guards lose their cool every once in a while. That doesn’t mean that America has stooped to that level. And to Mark the lib, that dog comment was just stupid? Do you really not understand the difference between a person with an ability to reason, and an animal that just needs to relieve himself?
Ah Toyota!!!! I finally got another one for my 40th birthday after my husband made me drive “American Made” automobiles (4 of them) over the last 15 years. An earlier blogger (I think TFTT) said it too: Ford and Chevrolet just can’t compete on quality and Chrysler just stinks.
By modest
August 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
Female, black Congresswoman.
By Van
August 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
Re: the prisoners at Club Gitmo.
If the are to be awared Geneva Convention protectios, then they must be judged by the same convention.
They were captured during a battle, without uniforms or identifiers showing which army they belong to.
Therefore, they can be treated as spies, or guilty of sabotage.
Function: noun Etymology: French, from saboter to clatter with sabots, botch, sabotage, from sabot 1: destructive or obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent to hinder a nation’s war effort.
Under Geneva Convention, they can be tried and executed, let the executions begin.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
So does true patriot get to make up the rules that are applied to terrorist detainees? We apply the Geneva Conventions to those who even minimally qualify. If the detainees want those protections, they should identify themselves as armed forces, etc. If they don’t, then someone has to make up rules that apply. Currently, that’s George Bush. Tough for them.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
J Tom — let me be abundantly clear. I did not say it was a moral equivalent. What I said and continue to say: My America does not need to sink to the level of our enemy. We are better than that.
Since you want to talk about torture, cosider this: If we torture someone for whatever reason, we weaken ourselves, we lull ourselves into a false security, believing that the “confession” obtained under torture is “saving innocent lives”. (Torture does not result in good intelligence, anyone with any experience in interogation will tell you that much).
If we hold any human being outside the protection of the law, regardless of their status, we hold ourselves open to being held outside the law. Dictators are already using the excuse that America holds human beings outside the law to excuse their actions. And America has lost our moral standing to tell them to stop.
I don’t want a weak America, I want an America as strong as it’s promise, it’s freedom, it’s laws, it’s ideals and the people who represent those ideals.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
True Patriot,
Your 9:45 post hit the nail on the head!
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Realist …
on behalf of Rarrington I must protest …
I’ll wait to protest my self of course until if/when he decides to protest, but your post seems designed to make him protest so protest he must/will for protesting about (only white) bigotry is “seemingly” Rarrington’s protest threshold and it’s not fair to protest that which makes sense for him to protest so that which is protestable shouldn’t be protested, so his protesting shouldn’t be protested and I would protest any one who protests his right to protest because protesting about protests about free speech is a good protest and is a constitutionally protected protest … errrrrr
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
That’s true. Global hegemony is more than just who has the biggest guns or the most money. It’s also about being an example of upholding ideals that others in the world emulate. That’s one of the reasons why were a superpower after WWII (on top of the Marshall Plan, etc).
Other regimes, like Pinochet’s Chile and Videla’s Argentina, engaged in acts such as illegal detention for the same reasons that we claim why we have Guantanamo…to prevent further terrorist acts.
I know that we don’t have the same nasty intentions as those regimes and I know that we haven’t committed such blatant atrocities like Chile and Argentina in the 1970s. However, perception is everything.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
P.S - hope no one thinks I protested too much!!
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 4, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Sadly teachers, in their collective case of Stockholm Syndrome, are so used to being abused that they are acting like feral animals given a table scrap in the form of a “gift card”.
What Sonny needs to give teachers is a six pack of whup@ss and the authority to use it as needed.
But let’s not dare interrupt testing to teach children that there are consequences for their behavior. Far better they learn that in jail (that way we can privatize the prisons and make them the new “growth industry” in Georgia).
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
No, aquagirl, I do not make the laws. Nor do you and neither does GW Bush (or he shouldn’t, not under our constitution). The laws are made by leglislative bodies, both national and international.
I’m very sorry to hear that you and others expect so little of America. I know that America, our soldiers/police deserve more respect than you show them when you claim so little for our shining example.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
True Patriot, Im curious, what in your estimation has created the current state of a “weakened” America. I do agree with the statement that we are weakened in many ways, but Im curious who/what/when/how you think it took place?
By The Way
August 4, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Realist swung at it, just like Jim knew he would.
Okay, realist, I just emailed the NAACP. I’m sure many readers of this blog did the same. The tone of your blogs contains too much shame to bear.
I do not want to be subject to the mind of a hater. It violates my civil rights and my right to peace of mind. Who wants to live in your world, realist?
District Attourneys can still get elected to office by prosecuting hate-speak, (there is plenty precedence), and maybe a discovery motion is appropriate here to find out just who this “REALIST” is, and get his hatespeaking mouthpiece in court.
Let me first apologize to my fellow Americans: This man thinks he’s being funny, he doesn’t know any better.
Now, which DA do I show this to? Why is it newsworthy? Cause this is the AJC. It’s a forum with socio-political consequences and underwriting implications AND it is free publicity to an ambitious politician.
I am sick to death of the racist trolls who infest this blog.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 4, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
Sadly teachers, in their collective case of Stockholm Syndrome, are so used to being abused that they are acting like feral animals given a table scrap in the form of a “gift card”.
What Sonny needs to give teachers is a six pack of whup@ss and the authority to use it as needed.
But let’s not dare interrupt testing to teach children that there are consequences for their behavior. Far better they learn that in jail (that way we can privatize the prisons and make them the new “growth industry” in Georgia).
PS To all the “do gooders” out there. Said “six pack” is NOT to be taken literally. It simply means, as John Rosemand would say, the authority to offer compelling consequences, and having school systems support teachers in those consequences to the hilt something this newspaper has never advocated in print for all it’s gnashing and wailing over “the children”.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
Hey, true patriot, when you clarify what “laws” you want applied, let us know. And if you know of specific torture being implemented at Gitmo, feel free to cite that. Just what specifically are you upset about?
By Realsit
August 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
lol @ TFTT.
Thats about what reading roaringt’s posts is like.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
OMG, check out the protesters in Barfdad today chanting death to Israel.
I guess that is their little way of saying thank you America.
What a terrible waste of American lives.
Now, where is that accountabilty for this obvious mistake? I say, start with Rumsfeld and work our way up.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
I think I’m going to go home early today and go to bed. I’ve seen everything.
Yesterday, Rednecks was happy to see Ugotta and today TFTT stood up for Rarringt. My head is spinning…
By concerned citizen
August 4, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Yes Wooten. Let’s go to vouchers, so that the public school system can collapse completely. Then those who can afford a private school education (and probably could even without getting a voucher) will get well educated while those who can’t afford to go to private school (even with a voucher) will get a poor education or none at all. That won’t affect society at all. The best way for a poor person to get out of that situation is thru education and then using that education to get a good job. By trying to sabotage the public school system by sucking out funds thru a voucher program you make it even more difficult for lower income children to make something of themselves. I’m sure I’ve heard you complain about people on welfare and the like. Don’t you think helping ALL children get a good education is the best way to keep them off welfare and help to boost the economy?
By Laury
August 4, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
I have a problem with a Congresswoman who has only managed to pass 2 pieces of legislation in 12 years. One of them renaming a post office. Yeah, THAT was vitally important to the people of her district.
By J Tom
August 4, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
True Patriot - Do not play with words. You use phrases like “sink to the level of our enemy.” Just what does that mean if you are not saying we would be the same as them, i.e. equivalent? Your logic is nonsense. You don’t address motive or intent. You deal only inabsolutes which result in the logic that harming a person to prevent that person from harming others is wrong. Self-defense is not in your vocabulary. Since you are so keen on the ‘law’, why do you ignore the laws that say these people need NOT be accorded the same protections as legal combatants? We may not have moral standing with YOU, but to the intelligent world who understands that we are trying to save lives, we certainly do. Tell your spouse that should she/he ever be held captive, and subject to torture and death, that you would NOT torture one of the captors in order to rescue him/her. See what type of response you get.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
TFTT, me thinks thou dost protest too much! LMFAO.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
So concerned citizen, I suppose parents like myself are supposed to sacrifice thier children today, and send them to a public school with its constant distractions, threats, violence, metal detectors, all in the hopes that over time, it might change and get better? I dont think so. And the sad truth is, we could open up the private schools free of charge to all students, and it would be a matter of weeks before the spray paint, security guards and metal detectors would be in full display.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Yes, Realist, that’s exactly what we’re supposed to do. We are expected to hold our kids back and “dumb down” the entire society so that those less fortunate get their “fair share”. That’s the whole liberal platform. I warned you yesterday. They won’t be happy until everything we have is taken and re-distributed so that everyone has exactly the same. Democratsy at it’s finest.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
Really?
By J Tom
August 4, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Concerned Citizen - You do know, I hope, that Hope Scholarships can be used at any accredited college? I’m not witnessing any collapse of the public university system. Just why do you think applying the same formula would result in the collapse of the public school system? Could it be because you believe that public k-12 schools are so bad that NO ONE wants their child to attend one? If that’s the case, it would be best for all for the present system to collapse and start over. Sometimes that’s the only way to improve a situation.
If you don’t feel the public schools are that bad, please tell us why, in light of the continued success of public higher education, they would flounder if vouchers were given.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Barbara,
That is ridiculous. The Dems are in bed with big business too.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
getalife, I don’t know about that. It seems to me that the Democratic party, and most of their representatives, promote/support measures to redistribute wealth. They coined phrases about the death of the middle class, and about rich getting richer, etc. That seems to be what most Dems I know believe too. Last I checked, I’m middle class. As are all my neighbors, family, friends, my kids’school friends, etc. Dems want free healthcare for everyone, free schools for everyone, free social programs for disadvantaged, etc. Who is supposed to pay for that???? Oh yeah; me….. the shrinking middle class.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Bravo Barbara.
But sadly, if you own a home and have two cars and a dog, you are not middle class, youre a wealthy fat cat by dems standards.
By Watta Load
August 4, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Not much I’m interested here today but Jim is right on about naked undertakers…brrrr..just don’t need that image.
And good for Marta…now maybe they can get both doors to open.
Carry on Realist but please start spelling “their” correctly.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
It’s weird to see so many people bash public schools. I guess some may get the perception from the public schools in the communities where they were raised. Where I’m originally from, in the upper Midwest, the public school system is second to none. Sending kids to private schools, while noble, is futile to the community as a whole if public money is taken from public schools and put into private schools via vouchers.
A big problem with poorly performing public schools is the fact that so many of the bad ones have a large student body from disadvantaged backgrounds and broken homess (my God, that sounds like something a conservative would say). One solution would be able to find a way to for families to elect which public schools that they want their kids to attend. Another way, and this can’t be done through policy, is for more middle class and upper class families to move into once-underserved communities, which is starting to happen in some Intown neighborhoods, and send their kids to the local schools. Schools are as good as parents and communities make them.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Personally, I believe we have abandoned our national identity and our strength in pursuit of uniformity and the perception of safety.
I think every American who fails to fully participate in society, whether by criminal actions (drug use, for example), civil actions (such as anyone selling votes in our government) or apathy is at fault. I’d say that Clinton is a poster child for the apathetic and sell out crowd.
I also believe that anyone who so strongly believes there is only way to be an American and who would squash the rights of others to participate is in fact making this country weak. Also, those who would buy or sell our nation and our laws to the highest bidder is a weakening force. I have to put Bush in those categories.
America was frighten out of it’s self when the world trade towers fell. We reacted in fear and in fear, there is weakness. America can and will recover it’s strength. We will begin by refusing to hide behind a false sense of security, such as is being sold to us in GTMO. The world is not safe, but we are stronger than our enemies and we will prevail, ultimately because America is a righteous nation.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Oh, Abu Ghraib. Note that at least one of the GI’s in those pictures is now serving time for that abuse. We do find and punish (or try to the best of our ability) those in our armed forces who don’t conduct themselves by our laws.
I suppose Al-Queda is locking up whoever has kidnapped or killed volunteer workers.
By concerned citizen
August 4, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Basically what Barbara suggests is that poor kids who can’t afford private school are “dumb” and that because they are “dumb” they don’t deserve their “fair share” of a good education because of poor choices that their parents may or may not have made. It’s a purpetual cycle. Education is the key to breaking that cycle. It’s funny how the people who want vouchers and complain about the public school system are the same people who complain about welfare and the drain it puts on our economy. HELLO MORONS!!! If you destroy the public school system, that’s exactly where it’ll manifest itself. Why do conservatives think that there is no cause and effect in this world?
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
In her defense of Gauantanamo, Aquagirl writes, “Have we killed any of the detainees…..” Actually, the answer to that question is yes, yes we have.
By MELO
August 4, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Why is there so much anti-Jewish sentiment all over the world except in the USA. Whats up with Jews, can somebody educate me? And why are there so protected by the USA like they are some extinct species?
By J Tom
August 4, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
getalife,
Really. Yeah, the pictures are gruesome, out of context, and if done by US soldiers, regrettable. Have you ever seen pictures of what some Allies soldiers did during WWII, or how about Viet Nam or Korea? You should read the stories of what Northern troups did to captured Southerners and Southern women during the War Between the States. But it’s a long stretch to claim that what is shown in those photos is sanctioned by the US rather than an aberration shown by a few soldiers in every war ever fought. Moreover, if some of that abuse saved the lives of innocent people, are you going to maintain that respecting a terrorist is more important than the life of his victim? Again, if I had to do it to save a member of my family, I would start at the toes and work my way up.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
J Tom and Aquagirl, I understand you are frightened of the big bad terrorist and your only defense is sound worse than they are. Bigger, badder, meaner. It makes you feel safer in your homes at night.
It’s still wrong for you short change our civilization in such a way as to reduce us to nothing more than the biggest bully on the block. That’s unAmerican and cowardly.
It’s about our national integrity, which we are selling out for a false sense of safety.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
MELO,
Considering the fact that many old European regimes instituted pogroms against them for over 1000 years, it may be safe to say that they are nearly extinct. I don’t think that there is any “protective status” for Jews here except for the fact that the US government hasn’t tried to banish or exterminate their communities as others have in history.
By MrLiberty
August 4, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Please get a better education about the true nature of government before advocating more government involvement in the free market. Vouchers will bring not only the stolen monies currently spent in government schools, but will also bring the ridiculous and oppressive regulations as well. Private schools today charge such high prices because they can - less competition, and to be selective. Instead, lets just shut down the government schools and allow schools to pop up where they will and let the free market and parental decision-making to be the deciding factors in who makes it and who doesn’t.
As for the prisoners at Guantanamo, lets not forget that these men have never been charged, never been accused, have never received a formal hearing, and given the history of US detentions, likely have not done a damn thing. Habeus Corpus has been a tenent of european law since the 1600’s, yet our dictator does not believe in it. The men at Guantanamo are victims of war crimes and criminal detention. Whatever they do to their guards is nothing compared to what has been done to them.
Give them a legitimate hearing, present the evidence to a grand jury, acutally accuse them of a crime, then we can talk. Until then, stop supporting the war criminal in the White House and the satanic minions that criminally choose to follow his illegal orders.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
So Patriot, in your summation, you see that all this “weakness” has occurred under Bush and the GOP’s watch? None of the moral degredation and decay and weakness of our country started under slick Willie? That is a joke.
By concerned citizen
August 4, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
BARBARA, YOU’RE A MORON. Democrats don’t want FREE ANYTHING. We don’t want free healthcare. Everyone pays healthcare premiums. But not everyone gets the same level of healthcare coverage for the $ they pay. Whats wrong with wanting a system that allows people to change jobs and move around without losing the benefits of having the healthcare covergage stay the same. All the R&D costs for prescription drugs that people use are paid by the U.S. Why shouldn’t those costs be shared by the world? As fanatic as conservatives are against abortion and stem cell research because it’s about saving life, they seem so obtuse about people getting the healthcare they need to stay alive without going broke to do so. Democrats don’t want free school. Everyone pays taxes that provide for public schools systems. How exactly is that wanting free school? And as for your free social programs, a better educated society is less dependent on such programs. But you don’t know that because you’re too busy looking down your nose at everyone to see it.
By lynn
August 4, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
After hearing that Washington guy on 96 rock this morning, I’m making sure to vote against Cynthia!
By J Tom
August 4, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
That’s good, True Patriot. When you are losing the debate, insult your opponents.
I think to speak softly and carry a big stick is the epitome of being an American.
Have you told your significant other that respecting a thug terrorist is more important than his/her safety?
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Concerned, no, I don’t think every poor kid is dumb. As a matter of fact, I am from a broken home. My father abandoned my family when I was six, and the oldest of 4 children. By abandoned, I mean he left in the middle of the night, hid his whereabouts, didn’t pay child support or alimony, leaving my “stay at home mom” with 4 kids to feed and no job. My family received food stamps for a few months. My mom could have made more money if she stayed at home and collected welfare, versus going to work and having to pay daycare for us kids, but she went to work. She wanted to set a good example for her children.
We were the poor, underpriviledged family. But instead of wallowing in self-pity, my mom taught us kids that life’s not fair, and not everyone is fortunate, and the only way to pull yourself out of that life is by hard work, honesty and integrity. I was on the “free lunch program” at school. (not a joke.) But my mother insisted that I do my work, she held me accountable, and if that wasn’t enough, the principal at the school gave me a good whoopin’ pretty regular. And no, my mom didn’t sue him. She gave me another one when I got home!
Unfortunately we have taken away the power for teachers to instill these morals. They can’t punish the kids for bad behaviour, and when they do contact the parents, the parents either don’t believe it, or don’t care, or don’t want to be bothered. And let’s not forget the language barriers that the teachers have to overcome. And God forbid if some non-english speaking illegal or child of an illegal gets left behind because the parents refuse to learn or speak english in the house. I mean, come on! No Child Left Behind, right???? Yeah, no child promoted forward based on an opportunity to work hard either……
So then we compromised our school systems by taking the position of that, if the parents won’t help, then we’ll have to do it through standardizing (or dumbing down) so that when a child is failing or struggling, then everybody else has to stop and wait for that kid to catch up.
This approach is not going to work.
How’s that for a cause and effect for ya?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Thankfully, Mr. Wooten defends us from the PC crowd, so I will have an opportunity to type frankly about Ms. McKinney and the apoplexy she has caused amongst the Georgia rabble. To use a term from their favorite SCOTUS Justice - Clarence Thomas - their “high-tech lynching” in cyberspace and talk radio continues unabated…
First, with reard to her anti-Semitism - has Cynthia herself made an anti-Semitic statement? I have seen the quotes from her father, Billy, but I have never seen anything directly attributed to her. So, my Georgia redneck friends - how many of YOU want to be responsible for your parents’ racists remarks (and dancing under the sheets) - based on all the whining and moaning I get from y’all when I point out the racist FACTS of your racist history and your culture, I would say damn few of you. Some consistency or honesty from y’all would be refreshing!
But on to the main issue. Culturally, the southern white is most comfortable with those blacks that bow and scrape and do the Stepin Fetchit and Rochester routine, not so much because they like politeness, but because it makes them feel safe, that this slave, this member of the underclass is OK with the program. Of course, traditionally, the black woman had no personal space or sense of self - her master summoned her, and had his will with her, however realist-ic and perverted he might be. After slavery, the white rapist redneck could practice his perversions on black women with essential impunity, I’ll wager prosecutions for rape of black women by white men under Jim Crow Georgia were few and far between, if any. And due to poverty and widespread violence against black men and suppression of their wages, many black women were forced into lives of prostitution to feed their children as single mothers. Some of you think these days are long gone - oh really?
Alas, here comes poor Cynthia into this toxic cultural milieu of racism and fear - an uppity black woman, who actually defends her personal space! With law enforcement no less!
Subconsciously, the redneck longs for the good old days (unfortunately, only about 30-40 years ago, less than that in some rural areas) - secretly s/he likes the fact that Cynthia struck a cop since she’ll get what’s coming to her for being so uppity , but s/he is horribly chagrined when the cops can no longer take her down to the station and kick and beat the snot out of her. Oh woe - Washington DC is not Philadephia MS or some other molehill shytheel town - Cynthia gets away with it!
I am reminded of the collective wailing and moaning over OJ - when for probably the first time in US history, a black man walked away from murdering white people scot-free. How many thousands of whites murdered blacks without even the fear of prosecution - how soon we forget, or in the case of the redneck - never knew?
Anyhow - let the Markus’s and TFTT’s and Andy’s of the world begin their outrage - but oh, the truth oftimes it hurts!
I welcome your comments and rantings and, of course, the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks.
By That's Right!
August 4, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Barbara,
You are right on track and hardley a moron!
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
who is the sad plonker drama queen who has self importantly e-mailed the race baiting NAACP? Hopefully s/he’s complained (albeit rather belatedly) about their vile TV ad about Bush and that disgusting radio campaign about “Republicans burning black churches” in Missouri a few years back too.
Its the moronic selective leftist/arabist outrage about Abu Ghraib I was outraged about. It was a fuss over not very much, clearly the abuse needed to be stopped and the offenders needed to be punished and mostly they have been.
As for the get your free koran/halal food/prayer mat Cuban based summer camp for terrorists - these are killers or would be killers and shouldn’t ever be afforded the niceties of the Geneva Convention. Sadly yet more nutty judges have decreed they should be … but clear thinking folks know better!!
By Rod
August 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim, got a question for you. Are you sure you want Cynthia McKinney to lose her House seat
If she loses, she can run for Atlanta Mayor in 2008. Shirley Franklin won’t be allowed to run (stupid 2 term rule), Atlanta is used to a Black, Female Mayor and McKinney’s constituency is inner city folks - who could vote her in. Shirley Franklin might even endorse her, knowing she could beat McKinney in a 2012 campaign.
As Mayor of Atlanta she could do a whole lot more bad things than she can as an unrespected Congresswoman.
By DM
August 4, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
My question is why is it the only challenger to McKinney is Tax cheating, bankrupt, no bill paying bum. The republicans backers need a ‘yessa boss’ politcian so they found this guy.
This is not a choice this is about getting rid of Cynthia. I for one will not accept this bum and his financial baggage. I beleive if he gets to Congress he will sell us out to highest bidder in order to fatten his pockets. How can a man that cannot manage is financial affairs help our district?
As far as the rednecks that are support Hank Who, well see you at the polls.
By concerned citizen
August 4, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
Barbara, I commend you on making your life a positive. But all the things you say are wrong with the school system are fixable with a little work. But instead of applauding your own success in the public school system, you’re ready to leave it behind to it’s inevitable destruction. What if there is a little Barbara who has to stay in public school, but that public school falls behind because too many of the parents in that area have pulled their kids out, along with the voucher money. Now that little Barbara won’t get the level of education that she could have gotten. She doesn’t make it to college and gets a crappy minimum wage job. She eventually has kids of her own and the cycle is regenerated. How’s that for cause and effect?
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
I’d just like to see a post from true patriot without the word unamerican. Don’t forget to hitch up your high-water pants when you announce that! And you’r damn right I’m frightened of the detainees at Gitmo, if you aren’t, then you’re suffering from severe idiocy.
And gosh, I’m shortchanging civilization? That’s a pretty grand accomplishment considering it’s not even noontime.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
concerned pinko … excuse me for a moment while I look down my nose at you and your ilk!!
this is a time lapse post thang …
there now - that’s much better!!
By Rod
August 4, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
Hey rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda, you’re nothing but a bigoted, racist, inbred, ignorant fool. Your opinion ain’t worth spit.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
Concerned, I didn’t see your next post before I posted mine, so I’ll respond now to your 11:02.
You said Everyone pays healthcare premiums. But not everyone gets the same level of healthcare coverage for the $ they pay. Exactly. And if you think that we should all pay exactly the same, for exactly the same coverage, then you just proved my point. Solution get a job with better benefits! That’s what I did.
You said All the R&D costs for prescription drugs that people use are paid by the U.S. Why shouldn’t those costs be shared by the world? The problem here is that the liberals want to be able to sue the doctors for billions of dollars for a mistake. Get rid of the frivolous lawsuits and your healthcare prices will go down. Is this stuff really that hard to understand????
You said Democrats don’t want free school. Everyone pays taxes that provide for public schools systems. Nooooo. Democrats want the burden of taxes to be paid only by the people who make a decent wage. For those that don’t - it’s free.
You said But you don’t know that because you’re too busy looking down your nose at everyone to see it. and you said BARBARA, YOU’RE A MORON. Hmmmm…. I’m I moron who looks down my nose….. Yeah…. I didn’t call you any names.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
I notice all the comments about Hillary today too - another uppity woman - the smear and high-tech lynching extends and continues!
Oh, the poor put upon redneck - s/he lashes out again and again, and feels better when s/he does it - but then s/he looks around again, and his/her miserable life is still the same… Damn!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
OK Frederick. Dont you think you should get back to printing copies of the Northstar and preaching abolition? Oh wait, that was 160 years ago.
And some folks wonder why things don’t progress for some, while others succeed and thrive. Get over it for God’s sake.
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Barbara, I can’t beliieve your family received food stamps. Do you know what kind of families receive food stamps? Those lazy, no good for nuthin’ families that want everything handed to them! You know how they are. They lay around all day after crawling out of bed at noon. Then mope down to the corner store and try to buy cigs and beer with their stamps. (or so my repub friends tell me) You mean you were one of them? Nobody should get nuthin’ free is this country!!!
By getalife
August 4, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
Welcome to the new Iraq er Iran
Demand accountability for the GOP America.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Thanks Rod, for proving my point - it took all of six minutes..
WHY DO THE HEATHEN RAGE?
By Rod
August 4, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Barbara - in your 11:20 post, you said “The problem here is that the liberals want to be able to sue the doctors for billions of dollars for a mistake. Get rid of the frivolous lawsuits and your healthcare prices will go down.”
Are you saying if your doctor screws up and kills your husband/child, you’ll just say “oh well, it was fun while it lasted?” I seriously doubt it. You’re against others being able to sue an incompetant doctor, but I bet you’d be first in line if he killed/maimed your family member. If not, then I feel sorry for your unloved ones.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
A lot of blacks across the country were upset at Cynthia McKinney for the Capitol police incident, contrary to what many think. I remember listenting to the Tom Joyner show the next morning after the incident and everybody was saying that all she had to do was pull out her ID instead of being billigerent.
However, althought I probably would have phrased it nicer and with a little more tact, Rednecks’s 11:14 and DM’s 11:18 posts are dead on in why she enjoys continual support from the community, despite any past controversies.
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Barbara, you mean your family received food stamps? Do you know what kind of families receive food stamps? Those lazy, no good for nuthin’ families that want everything handed to them, that drag out of bed at noon, then mope down to the corner store where they all try to trade their stamps for beer and cigs (at least that’s what my repub friends tell me). Nobody should get anything free in this country !!!
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Oh, God, TFTT and I agree on something. I need to go lie down.
And Jim, if those are Manolo Blahniks, you’re gonna have a pretty ugly fight on your hands.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Poor Barbara - fell on her own sword. Good one Chazman.
Where would the southerner be without FDR and the intervention of the federal government?
By HA HA
August 4, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
What kills me is half the people that talk about cynthia’s dont live in her district. Seems like there just looking for a way to spread hate.Just face it you got a problem with Black culture black leaders and anything that doesnt shre your skin color and views. But we got news for ya we know you hate us but we will not change for you we will not live up to your expectations nor do we want to. You dont like it cool keep hating all it does is eat you up from the inside out and pretty soon we will have 1 less hater in the world YA!!!
By HA HA
August 4, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
What kills me is half the people that talk about cynthia’s dont live in her district. Seems like there just looking for a way to spread hate.Just face it you got a problem with Black culture black leaders and anything that doesnt share your skin color and views. But we got news for ya we know you hate us but we will not change for you we will not live up to your expectations nor do we want to. You dont like it cool keep hating all it does is eat you up from the inside out and pretty soon we will have 1 less hater in the world YA!!!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Hey concerned, Im thinking if those set of circumstances you described befell Barbara and “little Barbara, Im thinking Big Barbara would work two jobs, or find a higher paying job, or do whatever nessecary to see that her child got a better education and had a chance.
Im fairly sure she wouldnt turn to the crack pipe or government housing and sit back and watch her kids future go up in smoke. Im just guessing here.
By Renee
August 4, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Rod, you were right in your 11:16 post - it’s gonna happen!!
CYNTHIA McKINNEY FOR MAYOR OF ATLANTA in 2008!!!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Cynthia is meaningless. Meaningless in Altnata, meaningless in Washington. She has accomplished nothing and she threatens to accomplish nothing. Why are we even giving her attention?
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
By Rod
August 4, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Barbara - in your 11:20 post, you said “The problem here is that the liberals want to be able to sue the doctors for billions of dollars for a mistake. Get rid of the frivolous lawsuits and your healthcare prices will go down.”
Are you saying if your doctor screws up and kills your husband/child, you’ll just say “oh well, it was fun while it lasted?” I seriously doubt it. You’re against others being able to sue an incompetant doctor, but I bet you’d be first in line if he killed/maimed your family member. If not, then I feel sorry for your unloved ones.
Rod maybe a fair compromise would be to require the loser of the lawsuit to pay the attorney fees of both the winner and the loser In this situation, attorneys will only take the cases that truely have merit. Obviously doctors do make mistakes, but the vast majority of lawsuits are not justified.
By Rod
August 4, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
HA HA - you’re an idiot just like most of McKinney’s supporters. Try and get this through your head - she does more harm to the black community than the white community.
Whites don’t like her because she’s nothing but a racist spouting out whatever comes in her head. HOWEVER, she’s one of the few Black Congresspeople and she embarrasses her race and she gets nothing done for her constituency. She ranked #408 out of 438 in effectiveness in the house. Next to the last for Georgia Representatives. She makes life worse for her constituency than another other Congressman would. You need to wake up. She’s not “spouting the truth”, she telling racist lies and hurting the blacks in her district.
By Big Dawg
August 4, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Did anyone hear that there was a shooting a a Korn concert in ATL the same day as the shooting at J. Dupree’s party?
Nope! It didn’t make the AJC.
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I interrupt this debate to tell everyone we lost 3 soldiers yesterday, 3 on Wednesday, one on Tuesday, one on Monday, 4 on Saturday and 4 more last Thursday. You conservatives that are blindly following your leader, do you keep up with the war deaths? Out of those 16 soldiers whose families will never see them alive again, eight were 21 years old or younger. I guess the bright side is at least most of those young ones want be leaving children to grow up without their daddies. I needed to give you that report because the “liberal” media has stopped reporting on the war deaths long ago, unless it’s a landmark number. 3,000 is the next they will report on.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Rod, go back and read my post again. I said frivolous lawsuits. Did the lady who spilled McDonalds hot coffee really deserve millions of dollars? Did the customer at the Huddle House really deserve millions of dollars because, when he asked for creamer, the waitress jokingly tossed it to him, scratching his eye? Scratching it, mind you. Not blinding him or even handicapping him in any way. Those are just two examples and I know they’re old, but that’s the type of stuff I’m talking about. Frivolous - look it up.
Chazman, I’ll respond to you too. If you really have Republican friends who tell you no one should ever get anything for free, or that everyone who receives food stamps is lazy, then you’re hanging around with the wrong Republicans. I could tell you some mean vicious things that Democrats say all the time, but I don’t need to. Just take a look at some of the posts above, including yours…….. Republicans (at least, in my opinion), believe that if someone is down, help them for a while. If they really want to be better off, they will only need that help for a while and then they’ll be back to being a productive citizen. Shorten the terms for welfare and food stamps. Limit the amount of money you can get for having another child. Those are the types of programs I support. I think almost everyone on this planet has needed help at one time or another. But no one should want to live their whole life like that. In fact, if you let someone live like that forever, they lose all of their self-esteem and value for their own worth. You actually do them a disservice by letting them mooch off society forever.
By That's Right!
August 4, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
@ concerned citizen,
Why is she having kids if she can’t afford to have them? The cycles are usually perpetuated by poor choices made with no personal accountability/sense of entitlement.
Hard as it may be to believe, many of us on the “right” side struggled from nothing through hard work and responsible choices. Look at Oprah Winfrey’s story of success.
There are programs designed to help those in need. Taking advantage of this offering while employing responsible choices and hard work will do wonders for many regarded as poor - as well as for society as a whole.
I don’t think many on the right oppose helping those who are in tough situations through no fault of their own. Even for those who have lost to bad judgment, assistance should be granted but should be temporary!!!
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Big Dawg,
I heard about the Korn concert. That incident set back the white race 1000 years. They might as well grunt and grumble, as they do in those mosh pits, with bones through their noses. It’s a shame that those guys embarass their race. And they wonder why all of those shooting sprees happen in suburban schools…
By Realist
August 4, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
Nobody was shot at the Korn concert, and yes it DID make the AJC, its where I read it. It was a punch that was thrown and knocked a young guy backwards striking his head on the ground. They are still looking for the suspects last I read in the AJC.
Do some people just make s**t up and post it here or what LOL
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Realist, I don’t think all the weakness started under GW Bush. I think the reaction to the world trade center is the biggest symptom of that weakness. It started long ago, when we refused to allow our troops to win a war in Korea then in every “small war” since then. All so we can feel safe. I don’t feel safer with these folks (not Clinton, not Bush) in charge and if you do — well, lucky you.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
I see rednecks has still not toned down the worst of its hysterical bigoted abuse of southern whites.
I am assuming you are black rednecks —because no white individual would be this pathologically obsessed with race and hatred of southern whites.
Rednecks laughably attempts to innoculate itself from ‘ad hominen’ attacks - but at least it took my advice and desisted just for once from its usual “you’re a homo” playground abuse.
McKinney is a racist/bigot, so is her father. Despicably blaming the cop’s non existent racism for her vicious attack on the cop is as disgusting as it gets and you resort to defending her with incedendiary Farrakhan style race baiting.
McKinney stiil has not apologised to the cop!!
Rednecks is essentially the anti-southern yankee type version of the racist aryan nation, with the same uplifting level of veracity and intellectual honesty.
Any chance of you IMMEDIATELY moving next door to slasher OJ rednecks??
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVKingAbernathy1099.html
By Realist
August 4, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Perfect liberal. Jump on board and blast your ignorance siren with no regard to the facts. Its why you have no “cred” here and its why liberals have no “cred” in this country.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
@chumpman:
“I interrupt this debate to tell everyone we lost 3 soldiers yesterday, 3 on Wednesday, one on Tuesday, one on Monday, 4 on Saturday and 4 more last Thursday. You conservatives that are blindly following your leader, do you keep up with the war deaths?”
If memory serves me correctly, liberals like you and Murtha said prior to the invasion that we’d lose at least 10,000 soldiers in the first week of fighting. That was over three years ago. Let me know when we get to 10,000.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Big Dawg,
I heard they beat the crap out of the guy not a shooting.
For my conservative friends
By Markus
August 4, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Private schools in Georgia are the only way to go. I’ve been saving for my future children’s schooling for almost ten years. No $5,000 plasmas or a $60k Escalade with 22” chrome wheels here (of course when the time comes to send them off, liberals would say I’m “rich” and it’s not “fair” that I should be able to afford to send my children to private schools). We keep throwing more and more money into that empty cesspool of diminishing returns known as public education. Further, I don’t want my children indoctrinated into the wussie wally world of liberalism like where “everyone should have the same amount of stuff” and government is the answer to everything. Public schools are NOT what they used to be.. and that goes for universities that are infested with liberal political hack “professors” as well.
Jimmy Carter, the “peace” loving man, should go to Castro’s funeral. After all, he might be able to chum up with Cindy Sheephead Sheehan. Speaking of Sheehan, is that woman nuts or what? She spent her son’s blood money on land next to W’s ranch to make a point. If I were Bush, I’d sell the ranch and get out of there. Go to Wyoming or Montana or something. Cindy’s wittle wiberal tewworwist appeasement nose would bleed at those altitudes.
Only a terrorist-appeasing liberal could say that we’ve been “torturing” in Guantanamo. Snapping German shepards; underwear on heads; loud music (yes, the soldiers who did the nude thing deserve jail, and they are in it). Man if that’s torture in a liberal’s world, I’d hate to see what they call live beheadings. Oh, by the way, those Gitmo prisoners get better food and facilities than our own soldiers who are over there fighting their ilk. Besides, we all know part of an islamofascist’s training involves self-depredation and lies (like flushing korans down toilets) to make their captors look bad.
Speaking of detainment, if we didn’t have so many liberal state and local judges out there who sanctify and sympathize with serious criminals, that poor woman slain on the Silver Comet Trail might still be alive and that multiple-convicted felon and rapist “in rehabilitation” might still be behind bars.. or dead. I prefer the method used like the Dekalb county cop who capped a punk teen who broke into his apartment (talk about the WRONG apartment to break into.. LOL). It’s humorous to watch the family members of said punk teen who’s corpse is now sub-50 degrees say “he didn’t deserve to die.” Hey, if some punk teen (or anyone else) breaks into my home with a gun, I’ll do the same thing. I just hope I never have to. Raise your kids better and they have less of a chance at getting shot.
MARTA is a joke. TWENTY YEARS to expand the north rail line another 10 miles to Windward? The only worse possible bloated, cronied, poorly-managed entity out there has to be the City of Atlanta and Fulton County.. tied. MARTA compains about money issues yet has no problem flying all the high up employees to a “convention” in Vegas.
I can’t tell you the last time I even remotely had any interest in a domestic vehicle other than a truck and an SUV. GM and Ford design and sell crap. They don’t have money to spend on R&D like they used to because unions have put such a financial burden with overgenerous pay and benefits (they had to, otherwise there’d be a strike) that make an “evil” CEO’s pay look like pocket change at the bottom line. Daimler-Chrysler is at least trying, with German help of course, although they absolutely RUINED the Durango and Grand Cherokee styling (both of which I have owned).
The radical extreme nut liberal left (like Sheephead Sheehan) in this nation love to talk about Cuba and how great it is under Fidel’s communism. The natural resources that Cuba has including beautiful beaches would be a haven for American tourists. Their cigar industry would take off. America could even build manufacturing facilities down there; hotels; shopping malls; upscale restaurants; new car dealerships; all the things that great Western capitalist nations enjoy along with the economic byproducts. But no, radical liberalism loves communism because “everyone is equal” in it; no rich, no poor. Thanks, but no thanks liberal ladies.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Realist, do we know each other??? You are right on. But let’s not kid ourselves here. The Liberals don’t believe in working 2 jobs to get ahead.
And to concerned, there is a “little Barbara”. 4 of them, actually. They all go to public school and the oldest is in all Honors and AP classes in high school. She’s been in the accellerated program since 5th grade. I love the public school system (the middle school and high school only, though) where my kids go to school and I wouldn’t dream of taking my kids out now. But the elementary school had to “dumb it down” for the slow kids, which left mine sitting for hours each day with nothing to do while the lessons were translated into spanish for the non-english speaking kids. Fortunately (and don’t take this the wrong way), most of those kids drop out by the time they hit middle school.
Over in my brother’s school district, though, it’s not the same. Neither is it acceptable in my sister’s child’s middle school. In Cobb County (yeah, I was surprised too) her child was threatened, and has even been beaten up twice in the first 2 months of school last year. His crime? He was a white kid in the accellerated learning program, and a geek. His attackers? Underpriviledged black kids? Their punishment? Nothing! Nothing! Seriously. The school felt that they had such a rough life that school was their only positive exposure so they shouldn’t be removed. Why shouldn’t my sister be able to take her child to another school? Or a private school, or any place that is safer, paid with vouchers?
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I knew about the fight at the Korn concert. I just used your words from your 9:47 post. If you want to attack the violence in the rap industry, fine. If you want to talk about any perceived negative influences of the music, great, it makes for good debate.
But if you talk about people having “bones through their noses” and “grunting”, you crossed the line. And I can guarantee you that if any of your black warehouse employees saw your 9:47 post, they would have a time with you.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Hey “The Way” :
“Realist swung at it, just like Jim knew he would. Okay, realist, I just emailed the NAACP. I’m sure many readers of this blog did the same. The tone of your blogs contains too much shame to bear. I do not want to be subject to the mind of a hater. It violates my civil rights and my right to peace of mind. Who wants to live in your world, realist?”
I see absolutely zero difference between what Realist posted and what “Redneck hater Al Qaeda” posts here. When I see you trash Redneck hater’s posts, I’ll have more respect in your opinions. So, you are going to threaten “Realist” and take her/him to court because he/she said something that offended you? I can’t wait to see that! But that’s so typical of a hypocritical liberal though.. dish it out, but can’t take it.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I thought you had a job? LOL.
This is your job, how much do they pay you to bait bloggers here?
How about that new Iraq er Iran?
By HA HA
August 4, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
How is it Ms Mckinney hurts black people? Im black I live in her disrtict and Im black I feel fine! Im voting for her again just because I love the way she refuses to roll over she has a voice and she cares about black people can you say the same? Or should we just go into office and yell yes massa I shos gone do what u needs me too! She Bucks the system and Im loving every black minute of it!!! Why dont you just do what you did to all black leaders in the past? and we all know what that is….
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
10,000 soldiers in the first week of fighting?? You must have been dreaming. Show me that Murtha quote, or that quote from anyone, let alone a liberal. So I shouldn’t be concerned until it hits 10,000? My bad.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
@Chumpman:
This was over three years ago. I’m going off good old MEMORY, just like when some democrats during the election of 1992 when HW Bush went up against your hero Clintoon: “George Bush never finished the job in Iraq.” Meaning of course he never took Saddam out. Betcha you don’t remember those words either, saavy?
I know you idiot liberals want this Iraq situation to fail solely on grounds to impeach Bush. We all know that. You people don’t give a pig’s a*s about the troops or the war, so don’t even pretend you do. You never have cared about “the military war machine.”
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
The GOP is now a political slur.
You sorry GOP’s. LOL.
By CBJones
August 4, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Where do I get the rocks that stupid whites emerged from to spit their negative accessment of other races. It is good that you can be white and blind in America, because we have a lot of people with this infectious condition. I wish we could round up all the Bush lovers and send them to this war their leader have created, and record their support when losing their limbs, and avoiding bombs. Congrat white Americans, you are the winners of supporting killers, stealers and lyers, wear your crown proudly!!!!!!
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
“*The GOP is now a political slur.
You sorry GOP’s. LOL*”
That, from an idiot liberal that gets her pretty pink panties (or are they Depends?) in a wet wad every time someone mentions “liberal” here. Not the brightest lamp post on the block, are you? ‘Course not… that’s why you’re a liberal.
Hell youo liberals don’t even want to be called LIBERAL anymore! You liberals cannot WIN on liberal “values” and you know it! (At least Hitllary does).
Laugh it up lib, I’m laughing all the way
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
You sorry GOP’s need to run along and let the real Americans try to clean up your mess.
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
Barbara, lets take a look at the facts of the frivolous McDonald’s lawsuit. For years, McDonalds knew they had a problem with the way they made their coffee - they served it much hotter (20 degrees more) than other restaurants. They knew their coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more thatn 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the last decade. The 81 year old woman was very seriously injured - 3rd degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a 7 day hospital stay. If the coffee temp had been at 160, like most all restaurants instead at the 180, these burns would not have been near to this extreme. She sued only after Mcd’s refused her request for compensation of her medical bills only. A McDonald’s Quality Assurance Manager testified at the trial that the corporation was aware of the dangers of serving dangerously hot coffee - remember the hottest of the industry - but still refused to turn down the heat or post a warning. Remember, 160 degree heat will not give serious burns but 180 will. The punitive damages were awarded because the jury found that McDonalds engaged in willful, reckless, melicious, or wanton conduct because they knew their coffee was basically dangerous because they served it hotter than anyone. And one last fact, an appeals judge dropped the $2.7 million award down to $480,000, which is usually what happens. This is conviently omitted when you guys talk about frivilous lawsuits. So the lady did not get “millions of dollars” as you said earlier. But lets not let a little facts get in the way!!
By annoyed
August 4, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
“Did the lady who spilled McDonalds hot coffee really deserve millions of dollars?…but that’s the type of stuff I’m talking about. Frivolous - look it up.”
Barbara, my dear, maybe you should look up facts before you run around spouting your ignorance. The woman in the McDonald’s case suffered 3rd degree burns over 6% of her body, including her inner thighs and genital area. She was hospitalized for 8 days and had to undergo skin grafting. If you ever get a chance to see the pictures, you will understand why the jury awarded her $2.7 million.
The severe burns were caused by the 190 degree temprature of the coffee used by McDonalds, which is substantially hotter than the temperature coffee is normally served at, 135 degrees.
Moreover, the woman offered to settle with McDonalds for $20,000 to cover the medical expenses. But McDonalds refused and attempted to flush out the case by dragging it on for years and drowning the plaintiff in discovery. By the way the $2.7 million she was awarded was approximately 2 days of Mcdonalds coffee revenue.
By Rod
August 4, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
Barbara - your 11:39 response to my comment about your comment didn’t address the subject. You talked about the McDonald’s coffee and Huddle House Creamer. We were talking about Doctors, remember? Please get back on track. Explain to me how when a doctor screws up the patient should just accept it - “oh, I didn’t need that kidney anyway.”
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Hey Markus,
Have you seen the new Iraq er Iran
Too bad the stupid GOP’s did not implement the Murtha plan instead of spewing cut and run. Do you get it now, or do I have to keep repeating the obvious for you.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Off topic:
If I hear the ad for “40 Years Of Munson” (UGA football announcer) one more time, I’m goiing to scream bloody murder. How many UGA fans actually WENT to that school anyway? Nothing but a bunch of drunks.
By Renee
August 4, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Markus - I read your insulting 11:48 post. So, you’re saying unless we lose 10,000 soldier’s lives, it’s all good? Try explaining that to the families of the soldiers who died FOR NO REASON.
By DD
August 4, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Adolph Boortz hates McKinney. Another good reason to vote for her.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
It’s funny how “tort reform” was sold to the people as something that benefits the common man. It’s really a crock of $hit that does nothing but protect the big boys.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
Markus,
You put the angry in the angry right. Do you still support the Iraqi invasion or do I have to keep repeating the obvious for the slow GOP’s?
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
And sane voters in the 4th district hate McKinney. Another good reason to vote against her.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Yeah, so? Did you know in all Arab schools Israel is not even identified on their maps? Is their hatred of Israel new or something? Methinks not.
Oh, and I see you still can’t come up with an article detailed OIL PLATFORM DRILLING SPILLS. Didn’t think so.
Why don’t you go take up bingo or something? You are wasting your golden years here. What, does that tiny little liberal brain of yours think you are actually going to change people’s minds here or something? Let me guess: today’s Wally World Ride Of Liberalism says that since the GOP is infighting and a lot of Republicans are none too happy with them right now, then said unhappy folks are going to switch parties. Yeah, go on thinking that clowns!
By Richard
August 4, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
It looks like Barbara likes to make up a bunch of stuff. She doesn’t let truth get in her way!
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
@Renee:
I can’t help it if you liberals aren’t bright enough to understand the point of reference I was coming from. The POINT, moron, is that we are nowhere NEAR where the left said we’d be in Iraq death toll. And you liberals bad mouthing it since day one has NOT helped the situation.
By Rod
August 4, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Hey HAHA, name one thing McKinney did to help her district. One bill she sponsored that got approved. One financial package she brought to her district. You can’t name one - because she hasn’t done any.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
I am all for government reform. If you look at all the reform they claim they are working on, it is all a crock of $hit to protect the big boys. It is legalized bribery plain and simple (for the slow GOP’s.)
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
TFTT, Markus - I never abuse southern whites - I make some funny comments about rednecks from time to time, but I have tons of facts and statistics and historians that will back my assertions about redneck gutter culture. By the way, redneck is not a race, it is not a nation, it is not an ethnicity - it is a state of mind(lessness).
Let’s face it - if redneck were a race, it wouldn’t be a human one. I’m reminded of a certain chimp at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I digress…
Anyhow - just because you don’t like the facts and the history, don’t take it out on me. Why do you people always feel the need to personally attack someone for telling the truth? Do you really think that problems can be solved through lies and violence?
Come on, clowns like Jeff Foxworthy, Larry the Cable Guy, and most NASCAR drivers do more to demean the redneck in 5 minutes than I have done in my lifetime!
By the way, TFTT, I am white - I could pass for a redneck until you got close enough to notice that I bathe regularly there are no Chito stains on my shirt.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
Ah yes, where would I be on any given day without some candyassed liberal calling me “angry” or a “nazi” or “hate-filled.” I see, for YOU people, it’s “passion.” For MY people, it’s just “anger.”
I am seriously thinking of coming up with a liberal pull-string doll with the ubiquitous answers one expects from your kind.
By Renee
August 4, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Markus - you moron (since you like calling other people that), the point is we’ve lost to many lives and your insensative stupid self said that you don’t care about it until 10,000 die. You’re sick, pathetic and hatefull. Why don’t you go volunteer to go over there? Huh? Huh?
By Van
August 4, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Renee,
Try reading slower, markus made perfect sense, and he wasn’t insulting at all - oops, liberals might take that as torture.
In fact markus sounds like someone with their head screwed on right.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Its the tankers stupid!
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
Markus,
How can you be so mad when Republicans control the Presidency, the Congress, have appointed most of the justices on the Supreme Court, the Georgia legilature and the Georgia Governor’s seat?
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
getalife,
And the POINT I made that you attempted to CALL me on was that oil companies spend money on technology like being able to drill off the coast of Louisiana without spilling anything. Remember that? Of course you do. But like a good little liberal, you had to spin off into another topic like natural and man-made disasters. OIL COMPANIES do not build tankers!
By Renee
August 4, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Hey Van - I see you’re siding with Markus. You said he made perfect sense? Let’s replay his quote: “If memory serves me correctly, liberals like you and Murtha said prior to the invasion that we’d lose at least 10,000 soldiers in the first week of fighting. That was over three years ago. Let me know when we get to 10,000.”
First, he lied. Murtha never said anything like that. Markus was called on it and told to prove it and he shut up about it. Second, he said “let me know when we get to 10,000.” In other words, he doesn’t care a damn about the first 9,999 soldiers who die. Do you care about them or their families? If you did, you wouldn’t defend Markus.
So, no - I don’t need to read slower. You need to get your head out of your a$$.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Let’s face it - the GOP is full of angry hate-filled people that love the blood of the innocent, love bombing and destruction, hate foreigners, hate people of different faiths and colors, and are blinded by their religious and political fanaticism.
Let any dialog with them begin with an acknowledgment of who they really are.
We are dealing with terrorists.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
@renee:
Another typical liberal pull-string response: “why don’t you go over there and join”
You still don’t get it. ONE life is too many. But listening to you pathetic screeching liberals today I would have to wonder how you people would have reacted to the THOUSANDS in ONE WEEKEND on Omaha Beach during WWII.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Your right.
I wonder why they want to fine Citco?
The US Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) said that Venezuelan oil holding Pdvsa’s US refining branch Citgo Petroleum Corporation could face potential fines in connection with a spill of 47,000 barrels of crude oil and water last June 21st into the Calcasieu Ship Channel, in Louisiana, following a heavy storm.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Okay Rod, I didn’t give an example of a Doctor. And I don’t have one that comes to mind. I agree that doctors should be extremely careful, and that they should be held to a higher standard (another thing you libs don’t understand…. example - Clinton and his wandering cigar). However, they are only human. They are going to make a mistake every now and then. Do I want it to be on me? Or my kids? No, of course not. But when it does happen, the incident should be investigated, the doctor repremanded in accordance with the degree of negligence, and compensation should also be made accordingly. That’s not what happens. Docs get sued for the smallest things. Medicine manufacturers get class action lawsuits against them because some new drug that is pushed out into the market too early now shows signs of doing harm. Haven’t you seen all the advertisements on TV “if your medicine caused (insert flavor of the day here), call the law firm of Bendumover and Screwum to become part of a class action lawsuit”.
Several years ago I had an infection for which I was prescribed “Keflex”. At that time, it was a new drug, and the cost was about $3 per pill. It was almost $100 for 30 pills. The same week, I took my cat to the vet. The cat had an infection and was prescribed the exact same pills including the same number of milligrams. The cost of the cat’s pills? Under $10. I commented to the vet that they looked exactly the same as the pills I was taking. She said “oh yeah, they are. They come from the same company. The difference is that the medicine distributed to vets a) doesn’t have to be inspected; and b) isn’t subject to malpractice insurance! That’s the only difference. And you want to argue that the high cost of healthcare isn’t because of frivolous lawsuits?????
It’s amazing how the folks that carry on to push drugs out before they’re properly tested are the same ones that line up first to file the lawsuits when the drugs start causing problems! Helloooooo? One example - stem cell research. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Then, when you didn’t allow proper time for testing and it causes a problem, bring on the lawsuits!!
By True American
August 4, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Republicans support war and killing. They advocate U.S. soldiers dying without blinking an eye. They don’t care about the thousands of soldiers who have died in this “non-war” so far. And they blame liberals for caring about people? Pathetic.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Markus, Renee asked a simple straightforward question and you dodged it - why aren’t you in Iraq? There your “passion” will do more good for your President and his regime.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Afternoon all,
There’s an interesting article in today’s WaPo about the internecine battles in the conservative party, and about how they seem to be losing overall credibility with the moderates, who have kept them in power.
What’s most interesting about the article is that not only does it ring true, it’s also very similar to articles I remember reading about the decline and fall of the democratic party back in 1994.
Here’s what I think is happening. There’s not so much a pendulum shift to the left happening so much as a paradigm shift back to the center.
As I’ve consistently maintained, as well as is apparent on this blog, the limited government, fiscal restraint and strong military aspects of traditional conservatives such as George Will and Bill Buckley, has been hijacked by social extremists within the party.
In the party, as in here, intolerance is the order of the day. Racists accuse people of race baiting, Christians advocate bombing Muslim neigborhoods, quasi-libertarians blindly support a presidency that has increased government, increased spending, and seems hell bent on notions of empire.
Most moderates (and I believe they make up far more than the 10% attributed to them in the last election), are aware of this. They are tired of politics taking precedence over performance.
They are tired of hearing liberals point at each other instead of look at their own shortcomings first and try to work together.
They are tired of blatant hypocrisy (such as a bill to increase the minimum wage having a rider attached that would have slashed the estate tax).
They are tired of people dying in faraway lands so a few well-connected corporations can get paid, of a war with no plan, and of destruction for destruction’s sake.
They are tired of listening to our government attempt to justify torture and indefinite detention without due process.
They are tired of watching people invoke the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Gettysburg Address while simultaneously working to undermine those principles.
They are tired of watching our children - all our children - receive poor educations, while the children of poorer nations run rings around ours in almost every subject.
They are tired of watching health care go up, social security go down, and genuine opportunity for prosperity increasingly go overseas.
I believe they will have their voices heard this November. Maybe Mckinney will win. Maybe she’ll lose. But the district will still be held by a democrat. Any many other districts around the country will be won, perhaps by dems, perhaps by GOPers, but they will be occupied by those who are moderates.
I’m sure some would-be witty person in here will try the “I’m tired of rarringt’s posts,” gimmick, but after the laughter, my point stands.
It’s time for the middle to re-take the castle, and get our country back.
This year, Independence Day falls on the first Tuesday in November.
By Rod
August 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Okay Barbara - still waiting on that doctor example.
You mentioned medicine manufacturers get sued for sending products out to soon and they harm people. Are you saying those people shouldn’t sue when they get harmed because the medical company compromised safety for a few extra dollars?
You’re doing a poor job of making your point that doctors and medical companies shouldn’t be held accountable (financially) for their screwups.
By Markus
August 4, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
And one more think Renee…
I didn’t LIE. I SPECIFICALLY remember those words said “ten thousand soldiers will be killed in the first few days of fighting.”
I’m going back to work now, but I’ll be back after 5pm. I’ll do your job for you and find the quotes. See you then, you pissed off miserable liberal.
By JC
August 4, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS, FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Ok Jim,
I said GOP’s are a political slur so “liberal” away like Markus.
Fair is fair.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Thanks rarringt - best post in a long while on this blog…
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
Medicine is expensive because the buyers (health insurance providers) can afford it. Their buying power drives up the prices in accordance with laws of supply and demand. Medicine for your cat is more than likely purchased out-of-pocket.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
So JC, how do we go about making peace with terrorists? Let’s hear your suggestion on that?
Rod, whateverrrrrrrrrrr……. I give up on you.
By JC
August 4, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
This year, Independence Day falls on the first Tuesday in November.
AMEN!
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
I said:
They are tired of hearing liberals point at each other instead of look at their own shortcomings first and try to work together.
I (obviously) meant “liberals and conservatives.”
By James
August 4, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Reading previous posts….Marcus…man…you’ve dug a big hole…Google won’t save you.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
I do not remember those words Markus but run along now and let us try to clean up the mess the conservatives have left us to clean up.
Maybe we can keep from having more troops killed in Iraq er Iran.
By Rod
August 4, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Yeah Barbara - you give up on me because I’m right. It’s easy to say that people shouldn’t be able to sue the doctors, blah, blah, blah. HOWEVER - if it was your family it’d be different.
They screw up - they should pay. Period.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
@ rarringt - it will be a great day if and when those few decent people in the GOP take back their party from the rabble and trash fundie KKKhristians and the angry hatefilled xenophobes and warmongers.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Rod, then quit complaining about the price of healthcare. It’s one or the other. That was the only point I was making. If you want to be able to sue the doc, or the medicine company, or whoever, any time you want to, then you’re going to have to pay for it. That was the original point of my post.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Doctors will be fine. They have malpractice insurance.
By Curious Observer
August 4, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
This blog has gotten too nasty for me today. Iraq isn’t the only place where we can witness a civil war brewing.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Curious Observer,
This is normal. If you want to see nasty, look at yesterday’s blog.
By True Patriot
August 4, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
rarringt @ 12:48 PM Well said. As a patriot, a Christian, a business person, an AMERICAN, I can only pray you are more right than those people posting in here would have us believe.
I particularly liked this part “This year, Independence Day falls on the first Tuesday in November”.
Please don’t be an apathetic loser like Clinton or a government for sale Bush-bot. Vote for someone (anyone) you feel will represent you and act like a leader.
By Aquagirl
August 4, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
rarringt has a good point…nuts on both sides like McKinney and Ralph Reed got a good message in the primaries. Word!
And sad to see Markus go for the day, but I guess he’s either at the enlistment station or buying another yellow ribbon to stick on his SUV.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
Rarringt’s 12:48 post was classy and excellent. However, I gotta bone to pick with him after he accused me of having “fat fingers” yesterday…
By JC
August 4, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
Barbara…. no one said making peace is EASY. If it were easy, any s-c-h-m-u-c-k could do it. As it is, any s-c-h-m-u-c-k who gets his never-worked, spoiled-rich-kid hands on the US treasury and a few hundred thousand good men can make WAR. Like Duh. Just swagger, boast, threaten, and say, “Bring ‘em on!” Peace is a little trickier. Peace requires REAL effort, not a few months a year hanging ‘round on the “ranch” clearing brush and riding the Presidential bike. Hence the “blessed are the peacemakers” business. It’s a tough job.
So I’m guessing Barbara, that YOU are going to pass on that effort, is that correct? We’ll see you in the funny pages, berating anyone and everyone who actually cares.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
I think it is time for conservative writers to start writing about Iraq and get our troops out of there.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
So, JC, still don’t see how you’re going to do it? I see a lot of Bush-bashing, and a little shot at me, but no offers of solutions.
Perhaps I should repeat the question: How do you make peace with terrorists? If you can offer a reasonable solution, I’ll vote for you for president - even after you took a shot at me. Come on buddy - put it on the table…..
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
We heard that same sentiment from the media in the recent elections. That republicans would suffer due to conflicts within the party and the Bush administration falling out of favor with the American people. But amazingly the Republicans faired amazingly well, even unseating some dems across the country.
I agree there needs to be a shift more toward the middle, the conservative middle that is. The extremist on both sides are sickening. But if I had to chose between two evils (and clearly we are being forced to do that with the likes of Hitllary, Freidstein, and Newt and Guine-ani), I chose the side that believes in fighting and yes, risking American soldiers lives to fight for our safety and way of life.
There will be no other Independence Day. Its already been given to you rarringt and redneck, by men with guns who kill even innocent people when nessecary, so that you and yours have the freedom to eat your fried chicken and watermelon and shoot fireworks (and your collective mouths) on the real independence day.
You keep hoping for your saviour to come along. It wasnt Bill. It wouldnt have been Kerry. And it wont be Hillary. Republicans, good or bad, will win again in Novemeber and you can spend another 4 years in this blog crying foul and blaming whitey.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Redneck bigot
I saw through your very selective twisted so called ‘reading’ of history some time ago. You are the archetypal rather indequate obsessive who focuses on a few facts and generalisations and then over a period of time the festering and dwelling on this limited body of what one might very loosely call knowledge eventually morphs into full blown hatred/bigotry. With a very self serving, self fulfilling rationalisation that insidiously takes over. Congratulations - you have completely beaten/by passed your own rather limited critical factor.
Whilst you might think this just a clever little cyber wind up - it is now actually at the core of what passes for your thinking. Hence your unremitting daily obsession. Its gone way beyond a joke now - its becoming YOU. I fully expect to see in a year or two a news story about you having gone beserk with a gun or whatever at a public place where the white southerners you hate so much congregate. It is a fundamental lie to say that “redneck” is not a racial distinction, aimed at southern whites. Its just yet more obsessive denial from someone who has found a way, using quasi-history and a twisted jumbling of a complex picture of civil rights and historical white racism by SOME whites to finally assert themselves over a group that YOU CLEARLY despise.
How much longer will you keep this diseased bigoted bile going? six months, a year, five years - the rest of our life?
You dont anger me at all with your comments or unimaginative personal abuse - I had you going a few times at the beginning with some well targeted abuse but you’re now well inured to that. Which somewhat ironically says more about you than I ever could.
I dont pity you - or hate/despise you. I just watch what you are doing and take some pleasure in knowing that you are quietly self destructing without even knowing it!!
By White Devil
August 4, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
WOW THERE IS CLEARLY SOME REVERSE DISCRIMINATION GOING ON IN HERE TODAY. BUT OF COURSE THIS IS ATLANTA. BETTER ROLL UP THE WINDOWS AND LOCK THE DOORS AND DRIVE ON TO A BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Realist and time,
Try to keep it short and sweet.
Nobody reads all that crap.
Try to show some self respect and support for your country by admitting Murtha was right and we need to get our troops out of Iraq.
If you do, you might earn some respect here.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
sorry getalife. I will try to include more pictures and less words for you. I thought this was big-boy school.
h-a-v-e a n-i-c-e d-a-y
By getalife
August 4, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Get back to your fake life loser.
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
By JC
Barbara…. no one said making peace is EASY. If it were easy, any s-c-h-m-u-c-k could do it. As it is, any s-c-h-m-u-c-k who gets his never-worked, spoiled-rich-kid hands on the US treasury and a few hundred thousand good men can make WAR. Like Duh. Just swagger, boast, threaten, and say, “Bring ‘em on!” Peace is a little trickier. Peace requires REAL effort, not a few months a year hanging ‘round on the “ranch” clearing brush and riding the Presidential bike. Hence the “blessed are the peacemakers” business. It’s a tough job.
Bill’s efforts in yearly Hollywood escapes and daily romps with Monica and his cigar did not produce Peace in the Middle East either JC. You are a simpleton. If you really want people to listen to your opinions, how about putting together some thoughts and ideas and present them to us.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Who eats fried chicken on Independence Day?
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
geta …
your patronising bollocks is deeply appreciated … as is your seeming growing obsession about Bush and Iraq. Keep the freebie smirks coming please!!
and redneckbollockchops does read all that -it needs to see if there’s anything it can try to sneer at!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
I’ve been reading some of the “crap” on here today and it seemed the time was right for a little “COMMON SENSE”! Rednecks, I guess the lovefest was short-lived. Just wanted you to know that We really don’t give a damn how y’all did it up North!!! All your bitching about Southerners and their race relations just tries to divert attention from the segregation that CONTINUES in the North. Just how many black schools do you have up there? While all the busing of students was going on in the South, the North was still filled with all-black schools. Yankee hyprocisy! And hey “my friend”, if you don’t like it down here why don’t you just U-haul your a$$ back North since it’s so great up there. BUT then, why you see all the Yankees like you fleeing to the South. I haven’t noticed many Southerners headed North. It’s a free country…so either STFU or take your A$$ back home. We’ll all chip in for gas!!!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
So I suppose PEACE is turning a blind eye to a global terrorist organizaion which was training and strengthening throught the Clinton administration and not acting on the intelligence nor taking the opportunities to strike a blow against them when given the chance.
There is a word for that but I cant think of it. Its similar to coward, but more political…hmmm, what is it. Someone help me.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
The Saviour came along 2,000 years ago. He had a few things to say about loving thy neighbor. I’d encourage you to read up on them.
Regarding a political messiah, there’s no such thing in this great democratic experiment of ours. The heros are those who vote, who fight for the right to vote, and who insist on the rights of others to be able to enjoy the freedoms in this country. That means the troops, as well as the little old lady who has voted in every election since the depression.
You said:
(and clearly we are being forced to do that with the likes of Hitllary, Freidstein, and Newt and Guine-ani), I chose the side that believes in fighting and yes, risking American soldiers lives to fight for our safety and way of life.
What good will comments like that do this discussion? I mean, I know you’re trying to bait me, which is cute, but seriously, what value do they add, other than to discredit some of your otherwise valid arguments?
You said: I chose the side that believes in fighting and yes, risking American soldiers lives to fight for our safety and way of life.
So much for Lincoln (the Republican party in that era had the same ideology as modern dems), Wilson, FDR, JFK, LBJ, and Clinton, who had no problems fighting.
The difference, as I stated above, is that they sent men into harm’s way for something far more noble than oil and treasure. Here, we attacked a country which reasonable people on both sides agree 1) wasn’t responsible for 9/11 and 2) wasn’t threatening us. Now, Iran and N. Korea are becoming larger legitimate threats, and we can’t react as well.
You believe in fighting. I believe that an enlightened nation should use force wisely, only when a true threat has presented itself, and only when negotiations fail. Sometimes we as a nation have to go it alone, but history teaches us that usually there’s no shortage of countries willing to assist in the noble fight.
But coming out swinging “just because,” more often than not hurts the wrong people, and makes you nothing more than the neighborhood bully.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Speak for yourself getalife. I read every word, although Time’s posts tempt me to go back and read rednecks, and I have vowed not to do that.
Realist, some pictures would be nice though. How ‘bout some pictures of how Americans are tortured by the terrorists? Or maybe some dead Israeli citizens, killed by the schrapnel of those missles designed specifically to maximize human suffering? Or perhaps some pictures of all those folks killed in the WTC? Oh, wait, the liberal media doesn’t make those pictures available and plaster them all over the place. And the liberals posting here would just disregard them and make some sort of excuse for them. Well, it was a good suggestion though…..
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
@ liberal
I do. And watermelon. And cornbread and blackeyed peas. Love it!! I was raised on it. I think you mentioned yesterday, if Im a life long southerner (and I am), we are more alike than we know.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Liberal
I do … I make a point of it - for its great symbolic importance. I am also now almost addicted to watermelon in the summer months. I cheerily spit the black (no racist reference there) seeds out whilst driving past the older cheaper rustier cars with Vote Kerry THE LOSER stickers on.
By JC
August 4, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
Barbara, Good questions. I suppose if it were up to me to initiate peace on this little globe we call a home planet, I’d start by educating folks to a few basic tenets of behavior. For example: DO UNTO OTHERS as you would have others do unto you. Love your neighbor as yourself, and your neighbor doesn’t have to be just like you for that to apply. Judge not, lest you be judged likewise. Be good stewards of the planet your Creator has made for you. Be a cheerful giver. Just a few things I’d try to teach EVERYONE. I wish I had some help with that!
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
Honest question. I just thought that it makes more sense to BBQ during the 4th rather than laboring over a hot stove indoors frying chicken.
And TFTT…I engage in similar behaiour, but instead I use peach pits, they make more of an impact…and I spit them at cars with W ‘04 stickers.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry I must’ve “started today” BUT that “genius” Mark the lib at 8:37pm wrote a gem today and I quote: “Jim you consider throwing human waste on the floor an “attack”? Give me a break. I guess dogs “attack” us everyday with their waste.”
Mark the lib: Those “attacks” by the prisoners at Gitmo must’ve became ATTACKS at about the same time that putting PANTIES ON THEIR HEADS and TAKING THEIR PICTURE became TORTURE!!! Duh-huh! Love, Ugotta
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
rarringt- The major issues that face us today certainly did not face Lincoln. If you stand there and say that Lincoln was aligned with the current Dems on issues or morality Id laugh you out of the room. Abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research? You think Abe would line up with say Kennedy or Kerry on this? Laughable.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Im still waiting for the “enlightened” to tell me the name for the politcal peace strategy whereby the commander in chief sits idle while receiving intel regarding terrorist masterminds, training camps, and future attacks, and does NOTHING?
I want to understand the means by which peace is achieved by a commander in chief who’s primary regard is which bimbo he is boinking tonight, and what crooked underhanded deal he and his scoundrel wife can be involved in next. And doing so while the like of Osama organize, strengthen and plan what occurred Sept 11. Was the WTC attack not enough warning ?
We gave peace a chance for 8 years with Willy. Now we are giving war a chance.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
Actually liberal … I was sort of lying for appearances sake, I actually use 12” x 12” concrete blocks for hurling at lefty cars … and have been known on occasion, if severely provoked by a HiTllary sticker to even open up with my mini-uzi. Naturally I have a couple of RPG’s in the boot in case I run into redneck. And my GOP neighbour has a Sherman Tank which we use in election years to knock down liberal yard signs at night. This years we GOPers in my ‘hood’ are clubbing together to buy a Huey to make sure dont miss any on the other side of town!!
By Joe
August 4, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
Question any and all facts Liebral post on here, yesterday he came out with the bold face lie that more white are on welfare than any race. That’s 100% false; Blacks make up for 38% of welfare, Whites 31%, Hispanic 17% and Other 14%. He spins the numbers for his advantage. When you weigh in how many more whites we have in the US than other races, we are very low on the welfare totem poll. Also, blacks had a 42% higher multi-generational use of welfare in the past. All of this information is on the US Government statistical website. Get your facts straight Liberal, you’re such a liar.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
I suppose you guys should be careful with all that spitting at your fellow man as you drive around. It might be a good way to get a “beat down” in one neighborhood or a “lynching” in another. You know, since racism is still so alive and well on both sides.
By Bill Clinton
August 4, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Actually Ugotta there’s nothing wrong with panties on your head…especially when she’s STILL in them…
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
Or if those panties are on my head. I love it!
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
The difference, as I stated above, is that they sent men into harm’s way for something far more noble than oil and treasure. Here, we attacked a country which reasonable people on both sides agree 1) wasn’t responsible for 9/11 and 2) wasn’t threatening us. Now, Iran and N. Korea are becoming larger legitimate threats, and we can’t react as well.
The war in Iraq for Oil argument does not add up. It would make much more economic sense to increase production in the US or to invest in Mexico. Whether you agree with the decision or not, the Iraq war was a strategic one. I consider myself a reasonable person and I believe that Saddham was a threat. No WMD’s were found, but if you read the report you would know that he did have a plan to produce them. I agree with you whole-heartedly regarding Iran and North Korea. However in 1992, Our military doctrine was to maintain the ability to conduct 2.5 regional wars as well as other smaller ones at any given time. This doctrine was changed by the Clinton Administration as well as the decision to move away from human-based inteligence.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Get to laughing, then, (hopefully all the way to the library).
We are a country at figurative odds with one another. That man had to deal with an actual civil war that killed more american soldiers in one day in one major battle than has been lost in Iraq.
Where do you think you get your “conservatism” from? Your great-great grandaddy (apparently an affluent cotton and soy farmer, from your stories yesterday), was willing to break away from this nation and shoot fellow americans in order to maintain an economic system dependent on slavery.
Through the blood, the misery, the terrible wanton destruction, Abe (who was initially willing to maintain slavery to keep the union intact) held true to his moral belief that all men should be free. I don’t think he would have hated your great-granddaddy, but he clearly did not share his beliefs.
The Gettysburg Address, which I like to refer to, has no legal authority. It does, however, have extraordinary moral authority, in which it calls ordinary folk to stop giving lip service to the Constitution and Declaration, and start living by it’s principles.
Abe, at the end of the day, wasn’t liberal or conservative. He was a moderate, and would likely be disgusted by most of what is going on these days…on both sides.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
Barbara! You naughty naughty girl you!!!
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
Barbara……I’m still trying to figure out your panty statement!!!
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
Joe,
I thought liberal was a big fat liar.
Liberal, they’re offering two free months at LA Fitness for new enrollees (might help with the fat fingers). :^)
By SW
August 4, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
Oh my, the look of shock on my face. Former Mayor Bill Campbell was found guilty of tax violation and sentenced to 30 months in prison and now the judge has the mitigated gall to actually make him serve the prison time. Oh no, could this be racial, a modern day lynching. Give me just one example of a white man given a prison sentence and they actually have to serve it? Oh, it happens to whites all the time? Huh? Dang, I got to think a minute how I can make this racial. Anybody got McKinneys cell phone number? It’s broken? Who did she hit with it this time? Was it a jew? Oh, thats okay, I bet he pointed his yarmuckle at her.
By The difference
August 4, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
?: How can you identify a coward.
A: the one swingin’ his fist in a crowd.
?: How do you identify a BUSHCO coward?
A: That’d be the the one swingin’ his fist in a crowd — with his eyes closed.
?: How do you identify a Clinton coward?
A: That’d be the fellow trying to get somebody else to get to swingin’ his fist in the crowd.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Joe,
Well if you looked at yesterday’s blog, I DID ADMIT THAT YOU WERE CORRECT according to the TANF website.
So now, we are at a crossroads, Joe. Now that you know that I am black and a liberal, answer this.
Am I a weak, scared Liberal pacifist, or am I a violent Negro? I know it’s hard to decide. That little poor-assumption meter” microchip in that peanut brain of yours must be going haywire. What is it Joe?
Rarringt,
I already have a gym membership. And after I finish with Joe I might have to take you on also :)
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
SW,
What are you talking about dear?
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Hey Realist, If Clinton was getting intel regarding terrorist masterminds, training camps and future attacks, don’t you think Bush continued receiving those same reports when he took office? Are you going to criticize him for doing nothing? Or did those reorts just stop when he took office. And while you like to bring up crooked deal in regards to the Clintons, will you acknowledge it is a crooked deal for Chaney’s old company - Haliburton - to receive the money they get via no bid contracts? Or is that OK? Just wondering……….
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
Okay JC, good suggestions, but here’s a few areas that you’re going to need to shore up. First, you can’t force people to accept those values, so you’d only be exposing folks to them; not really teaching them. Second, the values you write - why those came right out of the Christian Bible. How many Christian terrorist groups threaten the US today? (Okay, I guess the ACLU might have some Christians in it…..) Anyway, last time I checked, the terrorists were all radical Muslims. I like your ideas, but friend, if you went into a group of Muslims and tried to bring them Christian values, why they’d chop your head off. A quick end to your peace effort. Just take a look at what they’ve done to the missionaries, volunteers and others that have already tried your approach. Don’t get me wrong - I don’t want that to happen to you. That’s why I urge you not to go over there until we’ve killed all the terrorists.
Remember too that God sent Saul into war with the command to kill everything in the land (including the women and children and animals). 1 Samuel 15.
And Ecclesiastes 3:1 “There is an appointed time for everyting” and 3:8 “…a time for ware and a time for peace”.
Your heart is in the right place, and it is a shame that even one person has to die in a war, but if that war is waged to protect innocent lives, we are sometimes called to do it.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
Our military doctrine was to maintain the ability to conduct 2.5 regional wars as well as other smaller ones at any given time. This doctrine was changed by the Clinton Administration as well as the decision to move away from human-based inteligence.
THANK YOU!!
rarringt and other liberals want to talk about grandpappy’s and such, and distract from the question at hand. They want to speak of peace, yet thier 8 years in power has led to the least amount of peace on this globe in history. I dont need to go to the library to figure that out. Keep blaming Bush and whitey. He is doing nothing more than cleaning up the mess that Clinton administration caused. I truly wish this war had not happended on Bush’s watch. Had he not had the fight against terrorism to become his legacy, perhaps he could have done away with welfare as his legacy instead.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
If you’re throwing concrete block, don’t ask for Joe’s help…the little old man would fall out from extrenuous lifting.
And now that you’ve informed me of your tactics, I’m going to have to buy a couple of SAMs come election night.
By getalife
August 4, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
You mean these pictures
Pot to Kettle huh?
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Hey Realist, If Clinton was getting intel regarding terrorist masterminds, training camps and future attacks, don’t you think Bush continued receiving those same reports when he took office? Good point. However the incident in question when we had the opportunity to take custody of Bin Laden was in 1997. Are you going to criticize him for doing nothing? Or did those reorts just stop when he took office. And while you like to bring up crooked deal in regards to the Clintons, will you acknowledge it is a crooked deal for Chaney’s old company - Haliburton - to receive the money they get via no bid contracts?Haliburton also received no-bid contracts from the Clinton Administration during the war in Bosnia. The are the only company big enough and have the expertise to conduct these type of war-time operations. Ever wonder why their so-called competition in this line of work did not raise holy hell? It’s also true that Haliburton actually lost money on these operations, so it’s not like it has been a wind-fall Or is that OK? Just wondering…
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Realist’s grandpappy was a slave owner? Sorry to hear that, because all slave owners are burning an eternal damnation in hell.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
Good grief, while I was looking up my references for JC, I got “punked” again. Chazman, you weren’t here last time it happened. Someone posts as me making lewd comments that I wouldn’t make.
Interesting that it happened last time while rednecks was actively posting, and this time while rednecks is actively posting.
Anyway, it doesn’t upset me as much today as it did last time. Those who know me know I didn’t post: 2:05pm and 2:15pm. Oh well, at least they didn’t make the male private part references that they did last time (well, not yet anyway).
Ugotta, you’re funny! I appreciate the fact that you support me even when you think I said something raunchy. You’re great!
By JC
August 4, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
So again Barbara, you’re saying you want me to cross you off the list of potential Peacemaker recruits. Are you SURE? It’s a real shame, you know, that today I hear from five times as many people who berate and belittle the Peacemakers, as those who want to BE or support Peacemakers. Perhaps those numbers are indicative of why we don’t have peace. Last chance before I scratch you off the list, now. Are you SURE?
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
@ Chezman
Yes, Bush recieved the “intel”. Well, after they finished remodeling the White House and replacing all the lost and stolen artifacts and national treasures after the Jefferson’s, er, I mean Clintons moved out. Yes, he got the intel. It came in early one morning. You got it too! And me too! On the news. Two jetliners killing thousands right there in NYC!! Welcome to the Presidency Mr. Bush, signed- Osama
ps- thanks for letting me slide Bill
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Realist: Just thank God that all this Middle East mess didn’t happen on Gore or Kerry’s watch!
Barbara: Great post!! The only thing I disagree with was the line “Okay, I guess the ACLU might have some Christians in it…”
My God were you trying to be nice! They’re about as anti-Christian as they come!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Liberal, you are going to get you a couple of SAM’s on election night? Is that a joke? That is short for Sambo right?
Well shhhheeeeeiiiit Im gonna git me a cuple dem Sam’s too!!
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
The problem, Stewart, is that everybody considers themselves as “reasonable,” (myself included), yet we all came up with a different conclusion.
That’s ok in here. It’s catastrophic when force is applied under such conditions. Clearly, it’s a lousy idea to keep things in committee and never act on it, but be thoughtful in the way you act.
A Japanese proverb says:
Vision without action is a dream; action without vision is a nightmare.
You have to keep in mind, Stewart, that at the time, Iraq represented an ideal target. Saddam was no friend to anyone. Iraq was already weakened. Bush’s long-stated policy was to forcibly effect regime change (it’s well known Cheney started looking for justifications to get into Iraq). Few would help, but no one would stand in our way. And Iraq has the second highest proven reserves of oil in the world (behind the House of Saud).
To your point of the military drawdown, remember W took Baghdad in two weeks with the military he inherited from Clinton.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
Realist, I thought you were a God fearing Christian!
By getalife
August 4, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
There are many pictures on that site I linked to. Check them out, I doubt you can handle looking at all of them.
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Are you trying to tell me Haliburton is losing money (actually you said LOST money, like this is something in the past) with their no-bid contract? What a joke. And using the Haliburton - is - the - only -company - that - can - do - the - job crap. You start defending sweeheart deals like these and you lose all credibility.
By Jim Wooten
August 4, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Barbara is correct. Two are posting.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Barbara. Last time Jim told you your imposter wasn’t me. It wasn’t me this time, I went to lunch with some friends.
You remind me of Tawana Brawley - you are probably doing these posts to yourself to attract attention.
How pathetic!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
rarringt, No, Schwarzkopf took them with minimal help from a couple of armoured tank divisions and some MEU’s . It was one of the finest flankings and military strategies in the history of warfare. Plain and simple. Had nothing to do with Clinton or our military might as a whole. Maybe you should go to the library.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
rarringt: You know we’re “tight”, right? But I’ve gotta agree to disagree with that last line at 2:32pm.
Surely you don’t disagree that our military was “gutted” during the 8 years of Clinton. When Bush inherited the military it was a shell of its former self. I know, as a fact, that at a local Air Force Base they didn’t have enough parts to keep all the planes flying in the 90s! They had to take parts from otherwise perfectly good airplanes so they could keep some of them in the air. So please don’t tell us ‘bout that great “Clinton” military that Bush inherited. I’ve spoke often of my dislike for Bush, BUT I have to say that the military took Baghdad in 2 weeks IN SPITE of Clinton, not because of him!!!
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Okay, punked again at 2:25. Whoever you are, just remember that imitation is the greatest form of flattery, so you must luvvvv me! Love ya back!
And hey getalife, gettalink! (A new one, I mean.) BLOG FOUL! BLOG FOUL! You posted that link earlier today. Don’t you have anything new? You can tell Realist and Time to keep it short and not to say the same thing over and over, but just how many times do you plan to post that same link? What’s good for the Conservatives should be good for the liberals too…… Oh wait, that’s right. It’s not. When a conservative says something they’re racists, haters, rednecks, priviledged snobs, but when a liberal says it, why they’re just bringing much needed light into a situation. Hmmm? Can someone say “double standard”?
Finally, JC, yeah, if that’s the only way to be a peacemaker in your mind, take me off your list. Just so you know, that really isn’t the only option for a sustained peace. I want peace, but your way isn’t going to work. Sorry…..
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Bush and Cheney, as was Clinton, are all capitalist pigs. Of course CHeney has done some underhanded deals and unfairly helped Halib. Like you wouldnt if you had the chance. They are only men after all, trying to build their careers and gain more power. Its what men do. Better a capitalist pig than a commie pinko liberal pig.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Schwarzkoph?
That was PGWI, man. I’m talking about March 2003. I’m doing my part in keeping my responses to you as s-i-m-p-l-e as I can, but you’ve gotta try to keep up with the rest of the class….
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Realist, you say you can run your company while you blog all day and hit on women that are not your wife - if an idiot like you can multi-task, why can’t a genius like William Jefferson Clinton?
Of course, if you have a chimp-in-charge, things are different…
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
Not me - at 2:33! Hey, that rhymes :-)
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
*Liberal, you are going to get you a couple of SAM’s on election night? Is that a joke? That is short for Sambo right?
Well shhhheeeeeiiiit Im gonna git me a cuple dem Sam’s too!!*
Realist,
The fact that you would stoop so low indicates your low level of intelligence and ineptitude of satire. Your lack of skill in satire is very analogous to a child with gun and your delivery is rather smooth as sandpaper.
A comment like that would more than likely warrant a violent reaction from any member of the African-American community. However, given the nature of your mental disability, I think that you may be able to avoid such a beating and get sympathy instead.
You grew up in an upper-middle class home in a suburb of one of the most segregated cities of America, Birmingham. Your grandparents became rich off of cotton picked by poor, black sharecroppers. You joined a fraternity built on the glorification of the Confederacy and Nathan Bedford Forrest. The only way you know how to relate to blacks is if they work for you where you could play your quasi-paternal role. If I were you, I would induldge in a book or two about history and sociology. After a couple of years of intensive learning, you may be able to practice your satire in front of a mirror. Until then, don’t try to play with the big boys, junior.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Clinton did have a chimp in charge. He called it Hillary.
By Richard
August 4, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Barbara, it appears you claim to be a Christian. If that’s the case, have you ever heard of “Judge not, lest ye be judged.*”? Sounds like you’re doing an awful lot of judging in here!
Are you saying you don’t want those panties on your head? Awwwww
By getalife
August 4, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B. Kidding,
Ugotta B. Kidding.
Realist: Just thank God that all this Middle East mess didn’t happen on Gore or Kerry’s watch!
Um the middle east is on fire dude. Just when I thought you may have a lick of sense, you prove me wrong. At least they actually served in a war.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Damn! I did it. I read one of it’s posts……
rednecks, yes, Jim verified that it wasn’t you using your real email address, but as I pointed out last time, you can put in a bogus email address and post. Jim can only verify that the poster isn’t using your normal email address. He cannot state, with certainty, that it’s not you, but using a different email address. I suppose these things have to be explained to you more than once………
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Rarrington
President Clinton in the 1990’s rightfully perpetuated the Iraqi Regime Change and he cited Saddham’s WMD program to justify it. Yes the Bush Administration set it in motion, but after 911, how could you blame them? Yes everyone I know that there has been no proof of an Al-Quaeda - Saddham connection. My point simply is that we decided to implement a pre-emptive policy. Which I presume that you support Rarrington because of your comments of North Korea and Iran. Yes we blew right through the Iraqi military, but you yourself implied that we are now unable to take on the North Koreans and Iranians. Your probably right! As far as the military draw down, it public knowledge and anyone can go verify for themself.
By Joe
August 4, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Liberal and Barbara how do you like this idea? Take the two guys they just arrested in Phoenix for shooting all the people at random, and the court house killer Brian Nichols, and a few ,ore like them and set up a Federal Lottery. Give discounts to Lifetime NRA members (I am one)and let us buy tickets to see who wins one and we get to set them up for target practice. Heck, we could wipw out the national debt and pay for the war with one lottery. GIVE WAR A CHANCE.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
I love it how you asses can mimick rednecks and whites with your jokes and punchlines, but if I dare say something, here comes the 1000 word essay on how I need to educate myself and how Im a deep seeded racist. You are the f******* BIGOTS
By getalife
August 4, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
rednecks,
Realist is a fake.
Jim,
Do you pay bloggers to bait other bloggers here?
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
Hi Richard. Please tell me which of my posts you are referring to with the “judging” comment? Yes, I can be judgemental at times. It is a flaw of mine that I have actually admitted on another of Jim’s blogs. But I’m curious as to which of my posts your comment is directed?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
Hey Realist, while we were focussing on your racism yesterday, we sort of got sidetracked about your misogyny - you know, that funny stuff about you trying to get Susan to polish your silver or whatever, but you got a little testy with her - must of been tough for a he-man like you to have to deal with all that uppityness in cyberspace - so did Mrs. Realist wake up with a couple of black eyes this morning?
That is Republican, so Rush Limbaugh! Be careful - that could cost you some $$ in the divorce proceedings - damn those Polaroids and digital cameras!
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Realist,
I’ve never mimicked whites or rednecks with my posts. I’ve seen other people on this board make racial humor (TFTT, Ugotta), but they were able to do it with witty humor. The whole “sambo” thing however is way out of line and rather childish. So again, pick up a book or two and then we’ll see if you’re ready to play with the big boys.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
It’s not reasonable to compare the Cold War military with what made sense in the 1990s-forward. Remember, Poppa Bush started dismantling large sections of the military after PGW-I. It caused a mini-recession, esp. in the defense industry. I don’t begrudge that. He had to, as there were no massive threats left, in the conventional sense of war.
He started, and Clinton continued, to revamp the military for dealing with smaller, lower intensity hot spots. It’s much more difficult to do, because a tank or B-52 is not applicable in a world where city fighting is the norm, and the enemy is almost indistiguishable from innocent civilians.
But you know this, so I won’t stretch out this post.
What I don’t get is why, 6 years into another presidency, you and Realist continue to villify clinton? I mean, with that sort of logic, all this is ultimately Washington’s fault.
Clinton was no saint, but as I said last week, it is the height of hypocrisy to say Clinton had little impact because the GOP controlled Congress, and then turning around and saying Bush is only cleaning up Clinton’s mess.
That circular logic is without a doubt lost on Realist, but you know better, don’t you “homie?”
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
By Chazman
August 4, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Are you trying to tell me Haliburton is losing money (actually you said LOST money, like this is something in the past) with their no-bid contract? What a joke. And using the Haliburton - is - the - only -company - that - can - do - the - job crap. You start defending sweeheart deals like these and you lose all credibility. Haliburton lost money on their Iraqi projects. It came out in the media a few weeks ago. Overall, yes they are very profitable as most companies in the energy business today. I am correct in that they are one of only a very few companies that are in military logistics business. Do the research. When all hell is breaking loose, do you really expect the military to send RFP’s? No! Like I said neither did Bill Clinton. Do the research.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
why dont you come and shine my shoes rednecks and I will tell you all about it as you whistle me a tune while you work.
@ liberal
Not that I care to educate you on the college fraternity system, but Nathan Forest had nothing to do with Kappa Alpha Order. I man by the name of Gen. Robert E. Lee was our founding father, and set our principals and beliefs.
By JC
August 4, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
I want peace, but your way isn’t going to work. Sorry…
Dear Dad, I tried to give them a roadmap — the way, the truth, and the light. They’re not interested. They prefer to hate each other and solve problems by calling names, pointing fingers, and blowing the flesh off one another with their bombs and their guns and their guns, and their bombs. In their head, in their head, they are dying. In their head — what’s in their head? Zombie.
I tried. I am so sorry.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Realist, by crackey you’ve got it! It’s what happens when you raise yourself to a higher standard. The lower forms throw rocks at you in jealous fits. Good thing we’ve had to develop tough skin along the way. My grandmother used to say it’s worth it to let them talk about you ‘cause when they’re talking about you they can’t be talking about someone else.
BTW, I did not post at 2:33 about you. (Although I’m sure you probably figured that out.)
By Larry
August 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Redneck: “…angry hatefilled xenophobes…” how about angry self-loathing homophobes?
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
I know Barb. Its Liberal posting as you. He is the only young whipper snapper in the room full of vinegar and p**s.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
JC, okay, I’m really confused. First with the “Dear Dad” address. Are you claiming to be Jesus? Second, who is this letter describing? Me, or the radical muslim terrorists? I’m not sure I care about answer #2, if answer #1 is “yes”.
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Liberal, he’s a Kappa Alpha! You forgot to mention the part of his education where he learned that “no” is what a “slut” says when she really means “yes” so it’s okay to take her by force each and every time, and demand thanks afterward. That’s another thing they teach them in their special club. They deny it, of course, but it’s true.
By Dave
August 4, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten:
As usual you hit the high marks and I love it. However. when speaking of taxes on gasoline I am of the humble opinion that the State should adjust the sales tax rate for gasoline purchases. Why you might ask? Simple, we are paying about three times the sales tax per fill up as we did before the kids of Wall Street starting running up he price to three bucks a gallon. We are filling the State sales tax cofers in a big way. More loot for them to waste? Who knows what they do with this abundance of sales tax. One thing for sure the sales tax free days do not touch this boon to the State.
It sure is quiet out there about this windfall,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dave Oliver Hoschton, GA
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Rarrington,
I am not vilifying Clinton at all. I am stating facts. A war with Iran/Syria/North Korea/China would require traditional “Cold War ” capabilities. It is correct that we should have the capability to fight the wars that you suggest as well as traditional ones. George H implemented a program to kill off the pork in the military budget, i.e. closing duplicate and un needed bases,etc. However it was Clinton that came in and did away with 6 Aircraft Carrier Groups, and I believe 3 or 4 army divisions. Right now you hear all the Democrats in congress talking about how the military is over extended. This the direct result of these cuts. It takes years to reverse such a draw down, especially in times of war. During WW2 military spending was 30% of GDP, 10% during the Reagan years. It is currently only 3.8% of GDP. I think a compromise of around 6-7% is justified.
By Dave
August 4, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten:
As usual you hit the high marks and I love it. However. when speaking of taxes on gasoline I am of the humble opinion that the State should adjust the sales tax rate for gasoline purchases. Why you might ask? Simple, we are paying about three times the sales tax per fill up as we did before the kids of Wall Street starting running up he price to three bucks a gallon. We are filling the State sales tax cofers in a big way. More loot for them to waste? Who knows what they do with this abundance of sales tax. One thing for sure the sales tax free days do not touch this boon to the State.
It sure is quiet out there about this windfall,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dave Oliver Hoschton, GA
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
Thats funny. But to keeps it real, where I come from “sluts” dont say no, because, well, they are “sluts”.
And as far as my “special club”, yes we had some good times. I cant say we branded each other with red hot coat hangers or went to Sunday night rump shakers that lasted until someone wound up being shot or stabbed around 4am, but hey, we did have some charity car washes and went to some football games.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
My grandmother also used to say, “Jesus is a N*word!”
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
actually folks Clinton’s tame chimp wasn’t HiTllary … it was the AlBore
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
Stewart, You are clearly more intellectual than I and are making many points much better than I ever could. I concede that. I think I will kindly step back and let rarringt et al. discuss with you because for some reason, they dont seem to want to address your posts.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
rarringt: Let me explain it to you this way my good friend: DemoNcrats LOOOOVE to drastically cut military spending for ANY reason SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS. BUTthe big problem with that thinking is…after we’ve deeply cut the military’s budget, equipment, and manpower…SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND ATTACKS US!!! Then those ole “mean-spirited” Republicans have to take money from here & there and pour it into the military to build it back again. Then the DemoNcrats holler racist, bigoted, “mean-spirited”, baby starvers, that “don’t care about the poor”! FDR might be the ONLY DemoNcrat to rebuild the military and THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE of WWII and ole Eleanor was probably bitching him out ‘cause of it. Please don’t forget that many countries and their idiot leaders ONLY UNDERSTAND POWER and SOMEONE THAT’S NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!!! We’re not FREE because of our diplomacy…we’re FREE because of our BRAVE STRONG MILITARY. So thank a Veteran every chance you get!
By lynn t
August 4, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
@ha ha, the only thing black leaders have done in their past is make their race look bad, and yes i’m in crazy Cynthia’s district…you can bet i’ll be voting against as with all the other white race in her district. Why is it legal for you to call us names & discriminate publicly without reprocussions? You do it in the AJC blogs, radio, TV, etc., and until we stop it, were to blame. Bill Campbell was a fine example for the black race right? Damn ya’ll are stupid! I hardly ever write a comment in this blog of idiot racist, but after reading the dumb redneck guy and a few others…I gave my opinion in brief!
By Stewart
August 4, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Realist,
I am definitely not more intellectual than you or anyone on this board. I do have some experience in military budgeting and planning.
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Bingo. Stay away from me, you rebel-flag-waving, beer-swilling rapist, before I tell more of what I know about your Kandy A$$ fraternity and your so-called principles.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Now now lynn. Dont you know that ALL good politicians slap cops, keep 90 grand in the freezer and take cash trips wit they “ho’s” LMAO
Its a damn disgrace
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Ladies and Gentlemen and rednecks,
Earlier today I wrote at length on Ms. McKinney’s relationship with the Georgia redneck voters, focussing on mostly on her race. While I touched on the issues related to her gender, at this time I would like to expand upon them if I may. Thanking you in advance for your indulgence, but for those of you who take the time to read this post and have the intellectual capacity to ponder my ideas, you will find it factual and informative, and I welcome your comments.
Anyhow, let’s face it - part of Ms. McKinney’s problem for Georgia rednecks is the fact she is female, irrespective of her blackness. Merely look at today’s blog to see that the villification and vitriol toward former First Lady Hillary Clinton, a white woman, to see how apoplectic the rabble continue to be about another “uppity” woman, one who refuses to conform to redneck notions of feminity or women’s roles.
Like Hillary, Cynthia has a position normally held by men, or one that should be held by men, at least in the redneck universe. The redneck man feels emasculated at the thought of a woman having a position of power or authority, much like an Afghani Taliban.
I submit to you my learned opinion that much of the wailing and moaning we hear about Cynthia and Hillary is a cry of anger and despair from redneck men that have suffered a loss of their masculinity - through their inability to hold a job, substance abuse, their inability to provide for a family, longterm erectile dysfunction, etc. - and they focus their humiliation and rage on women in general and successful women in particular. I offer Rush Limbaugh as a case in point. Even with his financial success, his fear of powerful women turns his show into a fairly regular misogyny hour. Of course he knows what his listeners like to hear…
I’d really like to hear from the Cynthia and Hillary haters on this one. Come on guys - speak up!
I might expand on the female redneck reaction to successful women later today. Or not.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
Lynn T. Blacks are stupid….God hates them, thats why his son was black, the built the pyramids, survived 400 years of slavery, and if working in the US was a 100 meter race, we (whites) were at the 80 meter point when black were starting. And they still haven’t caught up!
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
Lynn T. Blacks are stupid….God hates them, thats why his son was black, they built the pyramids, survived 400 years of slavery, and if working in the US was a 100 meter race, we (whites) were at the 80 meter point when blacks were starting. And they still haven’t caught up!
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
I did not post in your name. I don’t need to resort to childish behavior like Realist.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
redneck hater, In regard to Cynthia and Hillary, I really dont think it has anything to do with their gender or color. Nor do I think in most cases does that become a factor in daily life for normal citizens. Someone, I cant remember who said somehting like, let them be judged by the quality of thier character, not the color of thier skin. Well I think that about says it all. That is two women completely void of character period. They ahve both shown it publically time and time again.
Go sell crazy somewhere else. We are full up here.
By lynn t
August 4, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
LOL…cute one for a Friday evening Barbara!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
Im before you start it, yes I admit, I dont have the best character at times. But then again, Im not asking for the public trust am I ?
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Don’t Print My Name
So what if we raped the sluts? I married one of them. My great great grandpappy raped Liberal’s great great grandmammy.
By Realist 2
August 4, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
I totally agree with Realist. Report him/her to the NAACP? Who are you reporting? A fictitious name in a public blog? What happened to our freedom of speech? Blacks are always talking about whitey, cracker, peckerwoods, etc., and nothing is said about THAT.
By Bill Clinton
August 4, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Hey Rednecks, take it from me-someone who knows up close and personal. Hillary IS a B***H! And so I recognize bitches when I see them and both YOU and that slut Cynthia McKinney qualify! You don’t need a urinal when you pee do you, you probably sit on the toilet like your female mentors. So SHUT UP sissy boy!
By Cletus Snow
August 4, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
Andrew Youngs endorsement of Mckinney doesn’t say much for his judgement.We all know that shes a nut case, now we know that shes also liar.Im OK with a nut bag politician,but I do not trust a liar. Barbara, you should run for some political office,theres enlightenment in the final tally, just think if you won you could some of your blather in action.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
I imagine my great great grandfather did tap some of that slave tail. So did Thomas Jefferson. We are all only mortal men after all. How could we have known at the time it would be the most costly peice of a*s in history.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
Thanks realist - I’m not surprised that you are the first one I hear from, what with your penchant for sluts and philandering.
How come you hate Clinton so much? You seem to share the same family values, except his wife holds a job (and I’ve never seen her with a black eye).
You know, I really liked your comment about sluts never saying no - when I first moved south, I haved to admit that’s one of the things I liked about down here.
I’m in my 5Os now, but spent a lot of time in Birmingham in the 1970s - say buddy…
Nahhh.
Well, maybe!
Who exactly is your daddy Realist??
By James
August 4, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
Jim,
The loons are loose in here this Friday….nice free for all.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
@Realist,
By Realist
*August 4, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Don’t Print My Name
So what if we raped the sluts? I married one of them. My great great grandpappy raped Liberal’s great great grandmammy.*
Need I say more?
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Come near me or my family, Rapist, and my pit bull will enjoy your testes in his very own special low country boil recipe. Capice? BTW, I can recognize your kind from 100 feet away, so consider yourself warned.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Definition of mass confusion:
Father’s Day in Alabama - ROTFLMAO!!!
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
it looks like there’s a bit more id stealing going on … pathetic really!!
By Jim Wooten
August 4, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Dave, thanks for joining the discussion. I just spoke with Mark Burkhalter, the Speaker Pro Tem in the Georgia House, about the windfall that the state collects, though not limited to the gas tax you cite. He’s looking at eliminating the ad valorem tax on vehicles, which would allow Georgians to keep about $500 million of that windfall. I’ll post more about it next week.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Liberal, I don’t think I accused you of that. In fact, you weren’t even posting last time it happened (which was the July 20th “Bush and the NAACP” blog). I went back and checked it too. The only folks who generally disagree with me, and that were posting that day were rednecks, James, Amelia, deegee, Toad, Enough, can’t be bothered, and someone who kept changing their name, but typically chose a name that related to TFTT. Of those, deegee isn’t posting today, Toad is too polite, Enough and I came to an agreement so I know it wasn’t him, Amelia isn’t posting today, and there isn’t anyone using a name related to slamming TFTT. That leaves James and rednecks. I’m not sure James would do it. That leaves, well, you guessed it……
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Oh yeah redneck hater? In Birmingham way back huh? Too bad you didnt stop by the church on 14th street more often….
By The Way
August 4, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Doomsday clock set to one second before midnight.
We have the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt about to march on Israel to join the Hezbollah in Lebanon. Egypt will have to use their tanks to stop their own muslims from attacking egypt, but the question is, will they be able to with the Muslim moderates losing influence as the Israeli Lebanon invasion continues.
Of course there’s the Mahdi Army in Iraq ready to join in.
And There’s Jordan’s own version of Hezbollah ready to pounce.
Not to mention the sizeable population of Shia Radicals in the USA. They could field a few hundred man army fast. There’s 4 million muslims in the US, but only about half a million Shia. Most Shia are peace loving family members, but you know how that goes.
The call is out for the Islamic Lion to roar, and brother, they can roar.
What worries me most is the way the AJC has buried these stories. Something as big as the cuban missile crisis is brewing, people.
Good think it’s miller time.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Want to talk about a dilema The Way, what happens when Israel starts getting pushed back and has nothing left? Does the USA come to fight for them or let them lose? I cant imagine what would happen if they are defeated. Nor can I imagine us letting it happen. I agree something scary is at hand.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
Thank you TFTT! I have given up trying to defend myself.
By Jim Wooten
August 4, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
Holy cow! Did a bell ring at 3? What happened to the great, substantive debates that were going on before some bell obviously rang.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
DemoNcrats; Cynthia makes the race look bad, Barbara loves bombing muslims almost as much as she loves Jesus, and Realist - well, ‘nuff said….
My, my, the blog is a hotbed of intellectual discourse today.
Thanks to Stewart and Ugotta for keeping it mildly interesting today. Realist, “kindly stepping back” is just another way of saying you can’t handle this level of discussion, and would rather sling mud (or worse) from a distance.
The worst part is, most of what we’re discussing is pretty straightforward stuff. It’s easy to keep up. Well, maybe not so easy for you.
But keep on calling people names, making racist comments, then following up with what a moral family man you are.
At least Jim, jbmlaw, Ugotta, TFTT, and Stewart will put their cards on the table and fight the principled fight. You on the other hand, would let them fight for you, and stew in your own sick juices of racism, anti-semitism, and I-hate-any-part-of-the-world-that’s-not-like-me-ism.
Typical lying cowardly neocon.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Barbara, whoever it is, I hope they change their name and they keep posting - their posts are a whole lot wittier than your half-wit crap.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
Sad news for you roaringt, your posts are nothing but veiled racism and ignorance. You can keep trying to hide being your psuedo intelligence but its phoney and stinks from a mile away. I sling mud when it gets slung at me. I throw fists when they get thrown at me. Period Regardless of race. So keep blowing hot air, Im not scared. It may make you feel better to think that whites are all ignorant rednecks and thus you and your kind are advancing. That must be nice for you. It keeps you from realizing that you arent nearly as powerful as you like to think, and in 40 years when the numbers go the way you said they were going to go, and guys like me get put between a rock and a hard place, its going to be sad for you to realize we werent ignorant and scared of your jungle ways after all. Keep blowing your hot air pal… you are less than nothing to me or to this society.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
rarringt, that’s right! almost, but not quite……
By James
August 4, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
As we do disagree on most all topics, I have never debated with you and have no reason to pick at you. The stuff the imposter has said is not funny anyway, and from what I read a few posts ago he/she can be hurtful. Realist commented yesterday on how I can “engineer” and blog so much….well he was right and I’m paying for it today. I’ve only been ably to read and post 3 times.
There’s a nice mixed -used development in Sandy Springs with my name on it…so have fun kids!
By THE QUOTER
August 4, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
“A group of white South Africans recently killed a black lawyer because he was black. That was wrong. They should have killed him because he was a lawyer.” ~ A. Whitney Brown
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
Realist speaks, a typical good ol’ boy from Bombingham.
Southrons - here’s one of your own, a man who invokes the name of your Generals Lee and Forrest, one of your Moral Majority, one of your success stories.
I rest my case.
Lord, I have a tall request for you today - remove the hatred, the stupidity, the blindness from these vicious rednecks, save them from their demons rum and Mammon, and their lust for blood. Defeat the evil in their hearts and little minds.
Amen.
Later folks. Tune in next week…
Yours in the good fight,
rednecks, AAQ
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
James, I know. Note I said I didn’t think you’d do it. You are pretty polite. Whoever is doing it uses very mean, hateful tones and doesn’t have a problem with name-calling. Hmmmm? Who does that sound like? Not you. Not Toad. Not the others I mentioned (well, I’ve seen Amelia call some names….). But anyway, there’s one on that list who clearly fits the description.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
And one more thing roaringN, since I am so pitiful and ignorant, what does that make you that you choose to debate me and focus on me, I mean since you are so obviously superior. We are still waiting on you to tackle the tough questions asked by Stewart earlier regarding the military?
By getalife
August 4, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Amen rednecks,
What a mess this is.
Let me add thanks to God.
Thank God I am drunk.
Peace.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
the racial semiotics here are getting a wee bit stark.
Realist - I assume that the rather unsavoury comment about raping someone’s great grandmother was by an id stealing moron. However historically “accurate” it may be its a pretty nasty image.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
TFTT, It was not me who made the initial remark regarding the raping of slaves. But it was me who conceded that yes, my ancestors probably did rape slaves, as did Thomas Jefferson and I beleive George Washington. I said it before and I say it again, had we known the outcome, I think we would have gone behind a tree and taken care of our desire by ourselves. And for that matter, would have put our own children in the fields picking rather than the horribly earth changing idea that we did undertake.
By On the other hand:
August 4, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
To: By the way @ 10:06
Take two Zanex and call me in the morning. You need a chill pill fella. Your blood pressure suffers. Do yourself a favor and stop reading this wonderful, informative, and funny blog. Don’t rain on my blogging parade anymore. This is the good ol’ US of A that needs True Patriot cloned times a gazillion. I have enhanced my vocabulary ten fold since reading this blog.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
Okay, we’re getting a little stupid with some of the attacks today. Don’t make me have to put some of you in TIME-OUT today!!!Okay??? I might have to use a little tough love! So everybody take a chill pill and let’s get on with it. So remember, NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!!! EXCEPT ON REDNECKS!!! They’re still allowed!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
Duh-huh! Duh-huh! Duh-huh!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
Amen. But I do fully expect to see a large demonstration or rally or whatever they call them, of purple panthers and the like chanting outside my home tonight. And on that note, Im completely unclear on how those demonstrations and scare tactics differ from cross burnings and klan rallys. Hmmmm. Could it be true hipocracy at work?
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
You see, TFTT, that’s what they learn in the Robert E. Lee special club for priviledged southern white boys: Yeah, it might be rape, but we’re not sorry, and what are you going to do about it? They call it “leadership training.”
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
Realist,
If the 3:33 post wasn’t yours, then I apologize.
And your 4:02 post, although funny (your satire somewhat improves) is wrong. This country wouldn’t be half as cool if it wasn’t for the “earth changing idea”.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
This rather unsavoury stuff about slavery is all a very long way from gloating about McKinney’s glorious impending downfall … if allah wills it … and legitimate, no holds barred sneering at the obsessed bigot Rednecks (not a personal attack - just a statement of fact).
I realise you are not responsible for your ancestors Realist and I understand you’re deliberately winding up certain folks here, but the recent choice of topic is more than a little indelicate - as we southerners say :)
Anyone know if HiTllary is going for a surgically stapled stomach before the primaries?
By GodHatesTrash
August 4, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
See Realist’s real daddy here:
Dad
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten, isn’t there a way to make people register before they can post on this blog? With a real email address so you can send them a password to use. Now the jerk is punking Realist, and Ugotta too. There are generally ways to set up a blog so that you require an ID with a real email address before you can post. If you allow this person to continue, you may lose some of the people who do like to post here, because they will be misrepresented by imposters. I don’t mind swapping words with the liberals who post here, and I find it good clean fun. Yeh, we even get ugly every now and then….. But whoever this imposter is, they are throwing in sexual and racial trash, and it’s really hard to keep up with who really said what. It’s going to cause hard feelings and that will kill the general banter that most of us enjoy here.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
I did respond to Stewart, several times. I enjoy my discussions with Stewart, because whether or not I disagree, generally there is something valuable to be gleaned from them.
You on the other hand, add no intellectual value. You provide no insight, and add nothing to the conversation in general. However, I enjoy our discussions equally.
See, I know that there’s no chance in Hades of making you think like a rational person. That’s not to say you should think like me, just “think.” Frankly, I don’t think you’re worth the effort. What’s constructive is using you as an example of the kind of “conservative” that gives conservatives a bad name.
For example, on today’s blog, you’ve made comments that were clearly racist, sexist and anti-semitic. You’ve allied yourself with anachronistic notions of separatism, and moral supremacy.
Yesterday, you clearly lied about your business and where you lived (after all, Birmingham is a long commute from your facility in Gwinnett).
You take cheap shots (reference to miscegenation).
And you’ve, in a most cowardly fashion, stepped away from any substantive debate, namely because you lack the gravitas. That’s ok (confession of ignorance is the first step to acquiring wisdom), but you revel in your ignorance like a pig revels in sloshing around in its own filth.
Yet, you still act as though you are superior to others(check his post yesterday about being, athletic, good looking and charming).
I like corresponding with you because you, in my estimation, represent the worst (and thus, the best) example of neoconservatism imaginable. Which, of course, makes you the perfect foil. You are the perfect tool by which to demonstrate the ultimate failure of neoconservatism. Buy too much of the BS, kiddies, and you might be like Realist one day. Who says fear isn’t a good motivator?
I’ve no doubt you will shuffle off the mortal coil one day, probably of a buildup of bile and excrement, but until the glorious day comes when you add to mother nature’s fertilizer heap, I will enjoy exposing you for the lying, cowardly bigot that you clearly are.
By Liberal
August 4, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this
Exactly. Nobody should be responsible and feel guilty about past ancestors. All you can do is address the problems that we have today. Joking about atrocities is far from classy and is rather grim.
And in regards to Hillary, TFTT (I’ll induldge your conservative humor for this one time), she would have to loose the cankles before getting any tummy tucks.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
You are right TFTT. Most of it just character acting. Im nothing like this but hey, if thats what they want me to be I will play along.
I apologize for some of it becoming too off color.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
I take it that Realist is now off your Christmas/Kwanza card list then Rarrington?
By Jim Wooten
August 4, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Barbara, let me check it out. If there is one person, or a small group doing that, it should be possible to find a solution that doesn’t require everybody to have a password. I’ve got more passwords now than I can remember and I suspect most others do to.
By Barbara
August 4, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Liberal, “cankles”? LMFAO!!!! Ha-ha-ha. To steal a quote from Larry the cable guy “Now that’s funny. I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there!”
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Let me make this clear once and for all for rarringt and others.
My grandparents and great grandparents were landowners in South Alabama near Camden. I was raised MANY years after this land had long been sold in BIRMINGHAM. I attended college at Alabama. I moved to ATLANTA after college because of the job market. Afer working in sales for several years after college, I opened my own company some years ago with the help of my family and some business relationships in Asia that my grandfather had. Liek I said, right place, right time. So there. There is no f******* commute from Birmingham you horses a*s. Every word I have said is true (other than the racist jokes that went too far), but frankly I could care less if you beleive. If you want to provide me your email address, I will have you over this weekend rarringt.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Having taken a moment to reflect from my previous post, apologies are in order.
Dueling with you is like fighting a child. The outcome is all too easy, predictable, unfair, and I get condemned by all the grown folks, even though “he started it.”
So, I’m sorry for picking on such a feeble-minded person as yourself. Shame on me. After all, my comments today are way worse than your reveling in the likelihood that your granddaddy was a slaveholder and rapist.
My bad, homie.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
rarringt, If im not worth the effort, why dont you stop spewing bile and excrement from your mouth and ignore me. What do I have to do? Put my home address on here so you can come to the gate and ask for me? I will gladly if you will shut your f******* boring droaning mouth that we all get sick of. Its the same boring drawn out blah blah blah everyday.
Just shut up and go read your thesarus. And oh yeah, go stir the collard greens.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this
Im no more ashamed to admit my ancestors were slave owners than you should be to admit that yours lived under a rock or put human skulls and a stick and danced around them chanting jibberish.
We cant choose from wence we come, but we can choose where we go. You my friend seem to be choosing a one way track to a stroke or a breakdown. You may want to go take a nerve peel, homie.
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Rarringt, the rape tradition didn’t go away after the Civil War. They refresh those skills and rationalizations for each new generation. That’s what Kappa Alpha is about. Make no mistake; the traditions are still alive, right down to the confederate uniforms they wear now at private functions, after people finally tired of them wearing them, on horseback, parading through the middle of town, for decades.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
Rarringt, good on ya. Realist, stop your backpedalling, you are what you are. Your misogyny and racism are practically palpable, even over the internet.
Racism and xenophobia have been the Achilles heals of the American experiment with democracy, and it rears its ugly head again in our foreign policy. People cannot replace a basic decency towards others with flag-waving, church-going, bible-thumping, living in a gated community, or driving an SUV.
We all choose to live in fear, or hate, or arrogance, or not.
The dark heart revealed today on this blog shows that we are well down a slippery slope - we Americans have enough guns and bombs to destroy the world, and we will, if we don’t change our hearts.
I fight my battle for the future of the world with words, it may be past time to do more than that, or it may come that more is required of us. If I have offended, so be it. When I lie, no one dies.
If humankind is to have a future, the hatefilled arrogance of the American people must be transformed. We can only be a beacon of hope to the world if we find another way other than Death from Above and collateral damage. We can whine about the other guy not following the rules, but we used to be bigger than that. Are we still??
By Realist
August 4, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
I proposed to my wife on horseback, in confederate officers uniform, on the lawn of her fine sorority house at UA. I believe its still talked about there til this day. And I do beleive they still wear the uniforms in public, not only in private. The only thing they cant do is wear them on public transportation because that caused quite an uproar a few years back.
As I said, you have your heritage to celebrate, branding, shooting and stabbing, and I have mine.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Wait a minute,
You mean (gasp), you don’t approve of me? Or my arguments? Or even my vocabulary? And don’t want me to post any more? Perhaps this will make you and your KKK…I mean, KA brethren feel more validated…
Oh I’s sorry boss. Pleez’n don’t stays mad a me, suh. I makes it ups to you (if’n dat be aiight wit you, suh.)
Someone like me will always be there to take on someone like you. I just enjoy it more than most, is all.
If’n dat be aiight with you, suh. >:^)
By The Way
August 4, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
Cartoon Idea: Show Mel Gibson ripping apart Teddy Bears and explaining to the viewer, “they were wearing Yamakas”.
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By Liberal
August 4, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this
Im no more ashamed to admit my ancestors were slave owners than you should be to admit that yours lived under a rock or put human skulls and a stick and danced around them chanting jibberish.
Our schools have failed in teaching history.
Everybody have a great weekend.
By Realist
August 4, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
jeeez. blah blah blah blah blah blah. Do you ever give it a dang rest?
And roaringN, somebody like ME will always be there to make people like you pick up a gun or knife, because you cant defend yourself any other way. You like to think we are scared. Maybe that is true in the heart of Atlanta, but Atlanta is a smsall palce in the grand dragon scheme of things.
By Van
August 4, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
Bbarbara,
It seems this is the normal ranting of the lefties.
If the subject is uncomfortable for them, they go off on a tangent and refuse to carry on a decent debate. Blather, blather, blather - rant, rant, rant. Much is typed, but little is said.
By Don't Print My Name
August 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Excuse me. My ancestors may have been the same as Realist’s ancestors. However, I chose to evolve. Clearly, he did not. Please don’t think everyone of white southern heritage is like him, but we must all know they walk among us. By the way, white women suffer from the arrogance of these a—h—-s too. It’s not just a race thing; it’s an arrogant white man with a superiority complex and the inability to care whom he’s hurt thing.
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
We have a heritage of perseverence
You have a heritage of persecution.
Sometimes, it seems as though Grant and Sherman’s biggest mistake was in not killing more confederates.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Well, Realist, since you wore the CSA uniform at your wedding, at least your wife knew full well what a loser she was getting.
I do feel sorry for your children, however.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
what’s a grand dragon? … there’s a chinese place up the road called that, does this mean we sometimes eat at the same chinese place?
mine’s sweet and sour chicken and special fried rice please!
By Realist
August 4, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this
I think she rest pretty good every night on $600 imported eqyptian cotton sheets. Im pretty sure of it :) And nobody said the wedding had the uniforms you non-reading skunk. I think the wedding was some god awful expensive Vera Wang thing I had a custom made Versace tux. Custom because I have a 54” chest and a 38” waist. Im somewhat of a big feller you see.
I better be going now boys. Yall be good now. Ive got to get down to the church early toingit. I hear we have a couple of new snakes in and I dont wont to be far back in line to handle them.
Yall have fun sitting on the porch tonight signing gospel hymns and throwing off on us white devils.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
rarringt, alas, we can’t go there, we’d be just like them. And then they’d actually have something to whine about - look how they go on and on about Sherman killing some chickens.
The occupation was a failure, for sure. But as we have seen again and again - Vietnam and Iraq most recently - how do you change hearts and minds at the barrel of a gun.
Especially in the south, where you were dealing with a violent mindlessness?
A conundrum - one never solved, still rearing it’s ugly head - and now that the guns and bombs are so much bigger, a potentially fatal one to the whole human race…
By Mr. Endicott
August 4, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this
I think a couple of you guys need to calm down before you have a *spell” or a “fit” or something. I think Realist was write when he said somebody needs thier nerve pill….
By rarringt
August 4, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
A Grand Dragon is the head of the local KKK. He’s just trying to goose me, but it’s like a children telling his first “knock knock” joke and thinking he’s being utterly original.
Pitiful.
That said, everyone have a good weekend.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
rarringt, the good thing is probably only 40-50% of the white males in Georgia “think” (using the term very loosely) like Realist.
Well, OK, maybe 70%. But only 40-50% of the white women. Well, maybe a few more.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
I knew what a grand dragon was thanks - just trying to inject a bit of light humour here.
By lynn t
August 4, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
Funny thing I noticed here, work day ends & you all shut up. Does the boss know you sit here everyday & split out crap? Is that the way to make America prosper, by stealing from your company? Yes stealing. They are paying you a wage & from the number of repetitive posts from the same bloggers, they obviously are not getting their money’s worth from you. I realize i took time to read the idiot posts (few were informative)(most were racist & ignorant) but even I get a couple breaks during the day to use as I please. I, however, refuse to sit here and squabble with someone who makes absolutely no difference in society by venting their crap just to anger another. No wonder the mexicans are taking over our jobs; they can’t read english, so they don’t waste the employer’s money by wasting time with you guys!!!
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
now redneck bigot pours ignorant oil on the flaming embers …
the klan was huge up in the north back in the 1930’s - the idea that ONLY the south had/has bigots is absurd and a lie … but utterly unsurprising from redneck bigot!!
the klan and its ilk are happily virtually non existent now as a national force and locally they are just embittered sad bigoted barstewards - but they actually get some TV coverage because their antics are that rare and poorly supported - a message that comes through televisually on their now irrelevant events - kind of like Kerry’s whopping eleven people gathering yesterday in Iowa!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
Your’re absolutely white TFTT - there is plenty of support for bigotted trash like Realist in the north. The whole country is awash in redneck culture, no doubt about it. So - what do you propose we do about it?
You’re probably OK with it.
By time for the truth
August 4, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
I propose we get rid of the likes of you who deliberately stir up racial poison day after day after day for nothing other than sick attention seeking.
Clearly most whites have left behind the racism, not all of course, that wont ever happen. Equally there are blacks who revel in stirring the racial spoils agenda. And this breeds resentment on both sides, white racism and black racism. You simply cannot legislate and force people to accept one another or not hate one another. What you can do is enforce decent treatment and public respect between folks which largely exists in most of America today - your own bigotry notwithstanding.
you can also kick mckinney and her ilk out of office and have normal blacks taking therir rightful place in the public square
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 4, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
Lynn t: Nice of you to join us today. How about stopping by your local library and checking out the book “How to win friends and influence people”. Apparently you haven’t read it.
BUT be sure you don’t read it on YOUR BOSS’S TIME like you read the blogs today!!! You know “that’s stealing”!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this
You know, the southron has the mind and ethical development of a seven-year old. Mr. Wooten points out that the prisoners at Gitmo are throwing feces around as if that somehow justifies their incarceration and torture. TFTT thinks because there are racist morons in the north it is perfectly fine that they run things here. A few months ago there was much wailing and whining and moaning regarding the man who stood with his back to Rumsfeld, as if this somehow justified Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq strategy and the deaths of thousand of our soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi innocents, like somehow these were moral equivalents.
An older child realizes that ethical behavior is its own reward. That it is simply the right thing to do.