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DEL.ICIO.USImmigration: love us or leave us
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The temporary lull in the national debate over illegal immigration ramps up and moves South in coming weeks. Debate includes a series of hearings, two of which are in Georgia. The push to see whether distinctly different House and Senate bills can be reconciled starts today in Mission, Texas, where President Bush is expected to make a strong pitch for a temporary worker program.
I spoke Tuesday with U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), who’ll be one of the conferees when the House and Senate start negotiating. Like the President, he strongly favors temporary work permits. “I always come down on the side of border security,” said Chambliss. “That obviously has to be the number one priority.” But temporary work permits should be distinct from any pathway to citizenship, Chambliss said, so that workers can come and go as needed.
For those in Congress, “this is one of those issues where we’re going to make a lot of people mad regardless of what we do. It is the most emotionally charged and sensitive issue that I have ever seen.” Getting a bill by November may not be possible, he said, but it’s essential that voters see by Election Day that a bill is at hand.
Germany began a guest worker program recruiting Turkish workers, albeit without a citizenship option, in 1961. It ended in 1973. More than 30 years later, Germany has 2.5 million Turks who entered as temporary workers and never left, most of whom chose not to opt for citizenship when Germany changed its laws to permit it six years ago. And, as the AJC’s Eunice Moscoso reports, “many remain on the margins of German society, living in ethnic enclaves where unemployment, poverty and youth crime rates are high.”
That’s what we don’t want. Certainly, after the President can certify that borders are secure, a path to citizenship that doesn’t include amnesty or reward illgals should be spelled out. And, just as certainly, it should be easy for documented workers to come here for limited times and go home.
The hearings, though clearly political, are important because they will explore ramifications of the more comprehensive Senate version and will, ideally, allow a national consensus to develop. The 1986 version turned out to be amnesty and not much more.
I’d welcome a compromise that secures borders, that doesn’t put illegals in citizenship line ahead of those who played by the rules, and that establishes a distinction between those whose first loyalties are to their homeland and those who intend to cast their lot with the USA. We’re a global economy, but uncompromised loyalty can be to but one nation.
Comments
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this
This is one of those few topics (speed limits and drug laws are a couple of others) where my libertarianism separates me from my conservative friends. I respectfully disagree with my friends (including JW and the honorable Senator Chambliss) who see this as a border security issue; if that were the case, we could cure it instantly by merely exempting Mexicans from the immigration number restrictions. I think “border security” is simply code, for many, reading “we have to slow the Mexicanization of America.”
I accept the argument, honestly phrased, that we should slow the “Mexicanization” of the country. I agree that the common language is essential to our national fabric. To brag a bit, I received a responsive email from Dr. Sowell on the topic; he rightfully argues that the immigration strains the welfare “safety net.” However, if we have a problem with the commonality of language, the cure is an “English only” transaction law; if we have a problem with excessively generous welfare, the cure is to cut back the safety net. We do not need to inhibit the natural flow of people and goods, as those feed our economic growth.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 3, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
I suspect the illegal immigration issue comes down to one single factor. As long as there is a demand for the labor (cheap or otherwise…not all of it is cheap!) provided by these immigrants there will be no meaningful effort to secure the borders. The demand for their work and services is massive, and (in this instance) it is not just the big, bad “corporatists” who are guilty of using this source for its advantage. As examples, in a lot of middle class homes, who does the ironing, who mows the grass, who watches the kids?!?!?
The vast, vast majority of illegals who come in are great workers. However some of the criminal element and the lazy are coming with them.
When the demand for the labor ebbs, the tide for border security will turn. Of course, by that time, the collateral damage (the influx of the criminal element and the lazy0 will leave us a problem for decades to come.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this
I’ll offer a mild disagreement with Mid-South, regarding the criminal element. My sense (with admittedly no statistical basis)is that the criminal element among our Mexican brothers is proportionately less than we find among our home-grown population. I think that immigration thus decreases the percentage of criminals in our society. The explanation would be that our Mexican brothers tend to be more religious than the rest of us. (That ought to awaken the loonies this morning.)
By getalife
August 3, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
Good morning,
Amnesty did not work the first time, so how in the world does W expect it to work again? He does not want it to work again. He does not want to secure the border. Why?
Cheap labor and easy flow of cheap Chinese goods across the border are more important than your safety. The great American whore.
Rumsfeld said yesterday he was too busy to testify today about the war. Under pressure he flipped and will testify. I would suggest Watching CSpan at 9:30 am today, it should be great watching him squirm when the generals speak about today’s military capabilities. Just maybe, we shall see some sort of accountability but I doubt it.
By the book
August 3, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, With so many cures, you are a doctor, not a lawyer, yes? You discuss immigration as if it were Montezuma’s revenge.
Maybe we could all wear a patch on our arms and become immune from the mathematically-inevitable Mexicanization of the USA.
I get the feeling that Mr. Wooten would gladly endorse a liberal exchange program with Mexico: US liberals for Mexican immigrants who are so liberal that they want to leave their own country.
I think the Republicans will find out how valuable their opinion is to W when he proposes a deal with Mexico that accepts the reality of the natural migration and mixing of populations across borders.
I figure in 50 years they’ll rename our country, “Margaritaville”.
By Nightslayer
August 3, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
John Ashcroft,Rod Paige, and Donald Rumsfeld—“The Axis of Incompetence”
By Realist
August 3, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
The “mexicanization” of America has already taken place. If you dont think so, you must not be traveling very often.
Its too late. There is no fix. Now we have to wait and see what the next 25 years brings. It wont be pretty.
By Hugo Yugottago
August 3, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Congress dropped the ball on immigration long ago and have recently picked it up to try their hand at dribbling.
I’m not willing to say there’s is no security risk south of us. Think Hugo, Evo & Obrador???? Latin America may not have been a security risk in the past, but it’s becoming one fast.
A pathway to citizenship is key. If all you’re looking for is a job and nothing more, go home & pressure your government to change things in your own country.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
With all the shiftless lazy rednecks in the red states (and, per my discussion with Candy Andy on Luckovich’s board yesterday, they have spread to the blue states as well), the illegal immigrant fills a niche.
Let’s face it, the redneck has a pathological hatred for constructive employment, his/her idea of freedom is lying around in his/her own filth imbibing whatever illegal substance s/he can get his/her hands on. Their haphazard breeding and parenting habits insure that the cycle of uselessness to larger society goes on for generations. Centuries of relative plenty in the USA has invested many of them with an inordinate sense of entitlement - most rednecks collect welfare, or malinger on disability benefits, or work menial government jobs where performance standards are generally non-existent. (One does NOT hire a redneck if one wants a consistent, hardworking employee) And, we all know that the rednecks’ hatred of work is only exceeded by their hatred of education.
To call the redneck part of a permanent underclass is not entirely correct - that would imply that the redneck has some kind of productive economic role, which they do not, other than to insure a high need for law enforcement personnel, drug dealers, liquor salesmen, beer distributors, and a large supply of cheap prostitutes and criminals.
So, the red state biznessman is hampered by a dullard, ignorant, shiftless local workforce, and must resort to the plantation model of economic development - simple repetitive tasks. There was a big story in the AJC this week about a large office developer abandoning the Atlanta market because the growth was gone…
Even the construction trades are dumbed down, because of the need for prefabricated and/or simple construction - let’s face it, the quality of construction in the red states is nightmarish.
The illegal immigrant problem masks a much larger societal/cultural problem impacting the US - what does the United States do with all the lazy shiftless rednecks and their inordinate sense of entitlement and their attendant sociopathies in an increasingly competitive global economy?
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Jbmlaw
I’ll offer a mild disagreement with Mid-South, regarding the criminal element. My sense (with admittedly no statistical basis)is that the criminal element among our Mexican brothers is proportionately less than we find among our home-grown population. I think that immigration thus decreases the percentage of criminals in our society
I also do not have statistics to back up my opinion either. However I totally disagree. If they are here illegally then they are criminals, therefore the criminal element makes up 100 percent of their population here. Also, Mexico is well known to have one of the most corrupt governments in all of the World. Take a look at the prison populations in California, Texas, Nevada and New Mexico. They are filled disproportionately with illegal immigrants. I also agree that they are hard-working and that at least 50% of the problem with illegal immigration is the fault of Americans.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
This is the issue that will destroy Bush’s domestic legacy unless he changes from his Kennedyesque nauseating pandering to accepting that the House, which is invariably much closer to the people has framed the issue correctly.
Amnesty is being proposed by the left and GOP moderates and its completely unacceptable. This was Reagan’s biggest mistake, however well intentioned. It should not be repeated now, let alone on a much bigger scale.
It simply is NOT possible to allow a path to citizenship for so many millions of illegals that doesn’t involve amnesty or reward illegal behaviour. So why even try? Because of liberal pandering and blatant Mexican race baiting. Mexico doesn’t tolerate any illegals and they are all deported, very swiftly. Their hypocrisy is unbelievable.
Remember that upwards of 25 million mostly Mexican types will be allowed in if this deeply flawed bill is passed. The 15 million or so illegals already here - it may even be more because no one knows and the leftist media and the govt always deliberately underestimate these things so as not not to further inflame the locals - plus millions of family members will further swamp the areas they are already in. With extremely negative and divisive implications for the future.
Millions more poorly educated, unskilled non English speakers will make huge demands on education/health/housing and other services. Short term increases in some tax revenues will have litle long term effect on the wider social implications. Already massive increases of Mexican/hispanic yoofs in violent gang activity is causing concern nationally. This is second generation legals/illegals. Local schools are being ruined/swamped in many places by illegals and american kids are suffering a further dumbing down of their education.
Some talk on here of small criminal impact -the facts are very different, there is a huge disproportionate number of violent illegal felons in many prison systems, across the country. With naturally the border states worst affected. Stats are showing there is a huge increase in mexican teen (the dreaded one parent) pregnancies, the increases - though not actual numbers yet - are even higher than the 70% in the black community.
10% of the entire Mexican population is already here, living in the USA. This is an invasion, a deliberate, cynical invasion, abusing the softness of Bush and Clinton’s non existent border policy. The refusal of so many mexican types to integrate and learn English is apparent every where. As is the appalling inability to drive. The mexicans who boorishly live 10 or more to a small house in so many small towns all over the US is impacting places that never expected such problems. Petty crime massively increases in such places.
Its time to stop this, once and for all. Seal the border with a proper fence from shining sea to shining sea. Hammer the employers who abuse illegals for their own greed. Shutting down the jobs will send most home - eventually. And begin well publicised targeted deportations as they are doing now in Ohio and a few other states. And if any guest worker system is set up then real meaningful enforcement with swift deportation needs to be instigated.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
Yes, Andy is the biggest idiot I have ever read.
One thing is for sure, when the Mexican people did not agree with their election, 2 to 3 million people hit the streets to protest.
When the Mexican people protest for amnesty, large numbers hit the streets to protest.
What do the American people do to protest? Not much. We are too lazy to protest therefore we get what we deserve. Kudos to the Mexican people for not being lazy. I wish the American people were more like them.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Well, time for lies does give Andy strong competition with statements like this:
This is the issue that will destroy Bush’s domestic legacy
What the hell is W’s domestic legacy?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
More on my analysis…
The abandonment of Atlanta by high wage, high technology “clean” industry has begun. What is happening is that Atlanta is choking on it’s filthy redneck lifestyle. Here are some more points:
1) Higher than average personal debt - this is in part due to the redneck “live for today” ethos. Entrepreneurship is hampered, since personal debt issues get in the way.
2)* The nightmarish commutes* - the redneck’s inability to get along with other people keeps him/her from using public transportation (personal hygiene, anger management issues, and widespread substance abuse, etc. Obese chito-eating slobs are not designed to handle public transportation), and his/her need for “bling” puts him/her in huge SUVs (which also contributes to point 1).
3) The lack of an educated workforce - Georgia continually and consistently ranks at or near the bottom in educational standards, part of the state’s crippling redneck legacy.
4) Welfare dependency - since FDR and the 1930s, welfare dependence in Georgia is astronomical, mostly due to the rednecks’ loose morality and poor parenting and work skills. Additionally, the state has always been inordinately dependent on federal spending and contracts, and with a nation increasingly unwilling or unable to finace huge pork-barrel projects, Georgia suffers.
Of course, there are many more negative impacts of the redneck lifestyle on Atlanta, Georgia, and the US of A, but, alas, I have appointments today…
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
@ REDNECK BIGOT
If you got up in public and spewed that kind of blatant bigotry about blacks or Mexicans you would at the very least be open to charges of inciting racial hatred. Hopefully that kind of hatred would not be simply ignored by its ‘targets’.
But because its aimed at whites you may get away with it. Although I doubt you have the guts to go and literally repeat all this hatred to a few “redneck” police officers or firemen or ambulance drivers who may end up saving your seemingly worthless hide one day.
Construction is the same almost everywhere here REneckMORON … cut corners and use chipboard and vinyl siding etc to make more dollars. It has nothing to do with race.
Abusing you and sneering at you is very very easy, many on here kind of make a joke out of it … but as with most self absorbed blinkered sociopaths there is no resonance. NO ability to process such responses and take stock of why such responses are being elicited.
Hence your obsession and irrational hatred seem to be growing.
Perhaps (if????? such a thing exists) in a previous life you were made a very public example of by confederate soldiers defending their land and you’ve carried this irrational hatred over.
All joking apart …
I suggest you get some serious psychiatric help. There’s light hearted banter, there’s even pretty sharp banter but this is not banter - this is FOR REAL … YOU REALLY ARE as sick and twisted as you keep showing folks.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
TFTT - offering mental health advice - still LOL!!
You are a silly little twit. Thanks for the laugh.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
getatinybrain
every president has a domestic legacy - some even have foreign legacys. Clearly your pathetic post is just more inane Bush hatred. Even Clinton had a domestic legacy. For someone who professes to be a well informed political observer, having to ask such a doltish moronic question simply reassures folks that you are just another Bush hating MORON!!
We all have perceptions about what a particular presidential legacy is … make up your own about BUsh … its impossible to reason with pillocks like you!!
REDNECK bigot … hopefully those appointments will see a new medical team in place to deal with your growing bigoted psychosis!!
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
Answer the question, what is W’s domestic legacy?
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
go on Redneck BIGOT - go tell a white southern cop all about why you HATE/DESPISE him and his kin so much!!
YOU GUTLESS TUURRD!!
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
go on Redneck BIGOT - go tell a white southern cop all about why you HATE/DESPISE him and his kin so much!!
YOU GUTLESS TUURRD!!
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Nice work rednecks. Lies is gone off the deep end. Feel free to get “Andy” at ml’s to do the same.
Good stuff.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
dont tell me how to answer matey!! - you are getting very uppity … Bush’s legacy is what ever you want it to be … just as Clinton’s legacy is whatever I want it to be!!
By Joe
August 3, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Why engage Redneck in a war on words, can’t you see through pathetic need for attention? From his long and frequent post he has tond of spare time on his hands. He is either a shut-in or a wheelchair bound invalid. Let him sit in his own waste and foul smell until his caretaker comes and changes his depends and wipes the dribble from his shirt and changes his gray matter…not the kind in the brian, I am talking about the underwear he has had on for four days. You’d be a bitter old troll too if you were him.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Time For The Toilet, you ought to know by now that I am not an idiot. Those very very few times in my life that I have had contact with law enforcement, I have been respectful.
You see, unlike the redneck, I generally have good impulse control, and I don’t have to solve every problem by killing or raping or destroying someone.
By Harold
August 3, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
Why everybody is so hung up on citizenship? That means nothing except which government takes your money and kills others on your behalf. People is people no matter where they got borned so who cares where they got borned.
The gubment has their way all the illegals will become citizens too because it increases the power of the gubment leaders. The problem is our gubment, not our illegals. Our gubment should be made illegal.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
getatinybrain … If you think that redneck bigots posts are an objective factual assessment of the south then say so .. but dont just childishly hide behind blog banter to moronically dig at your foes.
I am simply trying to enage rednecks in a serious debate about its unremitting racial poison - so far all it will do is HIDE and run away from any debate about its points … which indicates that what I have said about it is clearly unassailable… .
If you are implicitly defending redneck’s rabid bigotry than you should have the guts to say so.
If its all just one continuous deranged wind up then the southerners rednecks deliberately inflames have every right to hand it back to him with interest!!
Either way this racial obsession of rednecks shows that it has serious mental issues!! No one normal does this … not month after month after month.
By James
August 3, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
White Southern Cop = Redneck?
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Here, allow me to answer my question mate. I do not hate W. I hate what he has done to our country.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
unhingedredneckbigot
SO YOU shamelessly ADMIT YOU ARE HYPOCRITICAL COWARD THEN???!!!
tell a southern cop who’s there to protect and serve what you think of him and his kin!! go on rednecks … unload all that pent up bile!!!
By Curious Observer
August 3, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Ever since I converted from liberalism to conservatism, thanks to the guidance of TFTT, jmblaw, and others, all the solutions to our national problems seem simple. For instance, we simply create a national database of all US citizens and legal workers. If a would-be worker does not appear on that database, we arrest him/her and use the military’s vast transportation capabilities to deport all such people—after, of course, a decade-long jail sentence gets served. To prevent a recurrence of the problem, we build an electrified fence on the Mexican border and load it with, say, 40,000 volts. Instant fried illegal alien.
I feel so much better now. With Wooten as my god, I’m Thinking Right. It’s taking a while to get used to not bathing, and somehow I’m feeling a craving for cheap beer, NASCAR races, and bowling alleys, but at least I’ve spotted a cheap trailer for rent. Thanks, TFTT and all, for setting me straight. BTW, anybody know where I can buy a big a** pickup truck with “W the President” and “Sonny for Governor” bumper stickers cheap?
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
James … not at all - just making the point that rednecks seems to think all white southerners are rednecks
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Joe … its fun watching it squirm once in a while
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Oops I forget a big one mate.
No accountability.
By Dusty
August 3, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Ah, Jim, how much I like your last line.We’re a global economy but uncompromised loyalty can be to but one nation.
I have a warm spot in my heart for Latinos with their love of family, their faith and their work ethic. But I have to draw the line when their loyalties are with their “home” country, they show no interest in learning English and they demand rights to which they are not entitled.
Above all, anyone entering our country illegally has already made a strike against our country in several ways; illegal employment, non-taxable work and use of “free”clinics and other activites paid for by government (taxpayers), and poor reflection on legal immigrants. I am not sure there is a “balance” between their cost to the country and the profit.
Maybe we all know the problems. Answers are hard to come by. But, as I understand you to say, if you don’t want to be a legal supportive member of this country, go home. I agree.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
I think its funny to blame Atlanta ill’s on the so called white rednecks. Its the black corrupt government and its non-working-welfarecheck-cashing constitchuncy that is running Atlanta into the ground. That and the 10 mexicans per house that is invading every decent suburb of Atlanta. But its ok, just blame the whites. Do you know how stupid and idiotic that idea is?
By The Stopper
August 3, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all.
People is people no matter where they got borned so who cares where they got borned.
I totally read that as “boned.”
As for the ratcheted-up for getting-out-the-vote issue of illegal immigration, see it for what it is, nothing more or less. The Administration and the Republican party is very vulnerable on this and have to make lots of noise about securing the border while providing a path to legal citizenship. Problem is, they sound pretty much like Democrats (who are, I’ll admit, almost equally vacuous, at least at the national-politics level, about the issue.)
Me? Well, this great nation is where I got boned, and I loves me some bonin’. And I loves me some universal healthcare coverage and a decent minimum wage and workers’ rights being looked after by responsible elected representatives, none of which we’ll get with the current gang in power.
and all of which we need to address with greater urgency and seriousness than “wadderwe gone do bout them ILL-leeguls” nonsense being yabbered about.
(BTW, I mean no disrespect for Jim’s original posting, which actually described the political landscape pretty objectively.)
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
I agree about the amnesty … the tax breaks were very necessary to jump start the economy as Bush inherited a mild clinton recession which could have got much worse, but didn’t. Lobbyists is sadly always a bipartisan thang. Clinton appointed a serious feminazi and a real liberal to SCOTUS. The DHS was in response to all that occured on 9/11 … I agree it hasn’t worked well at all. BUsh cant control every dept personally. Sick Willie’s cronyism was vastly worse. MIddle class is still there … rednecks is desperately trying to figure out how to join it!!
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Dusty
Answers are not hard to come by. Honest, ethical leadership with uncompromising enforcement of laws for the people and not the corporations are.
By Producer
August 3, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
This is a problem with no really easy solutions.
One reason that our gov’t doesn’t do anything about this is that, while in the US, many of the illegals pay into social security. They are literally keeping that program afloat. I read this a week or so ago and didn’t realize their importance to it.
Regarding the illegals themselves, people I know who have businesses who rely on manual labor (illegal or legal)describe their (Mexican) work ethic as unbelievable. For the most part, they work their tails off and send a ton of money back to their families by using the local Western Union office.
I lived in Colombia for two years and can at least verify the work ethic for the latin population there.
I am forced to agree with alot of what Rednecks has written in the earlier post. Our own citizens, redneck or otherwise, do seem to have an entitlement mentality. Some of our own folks remind me of that horrid woman who played Hillary Swank’s mother in Million Dollar Baby. She had to have her “welfare.” Disgusting! Societal losers who are more of a drag on the rest of us than any illegals. Literally like fleas on a dog. Don’t believe it? We spend almost a trillion dollars a year on “social programs” (welfare). We gave up going to the moon for this? Unreal!
The illegals have job opportunities here because our own people won’t do the more labor intensive work any longer. They think it’s beneath them. It’s a cultural thing with us now.
It’s damn frustrating!
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
I note that pinko observer merely dishonestly demagogues the issues without attempting to address the more substantive points I made @ illegal immigrants swamping the US… typical bloody pinko!!
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Time,
Good answer.
Would you agree the country was headed in the right direction with Clinton more than with W?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
True, much of our society must feel that such hard labor is beneath them. But answer me this. Before the mexican revolution in the usa, do you recall seeing any blacks out there swinging hammers or putting up drywall in the blazing sun? I sure dont remember many….
Cut the welfare, cut the free rides for EVERYONE, and the lazy non-working segment of our population will work or starve, period.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
NO … and not just for political reasons either … folks seem to conveniently forget 9/11 happened and its a different world with different ‘rules’ now. BUsh aint perfect at all but he’s 1000% better than any dem who’s wanted the W House.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I do remember until the contractors found out they could pay much less for labor.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
getalife, thanks for the support. TFTT is always good for a few laughs, she’s always slobbering all over herself. Her and Andy make a good pair, but I can’t offer anymore of my Truth Outreach program today, as I need to pursue more gainful tasks - trying to use logic and facts with a redneck is a futile exercise, not without its many comedic moments to be sure.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
I keep asking the dem’s and liberals what candidate they can put up that can do any better than W. I get no answers….
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Rumsfeld is getting pissed. This is good stuff on Cspan.
McCain asked some really good questions.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I would say Feingold looks pretty good.
By James
August 3, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
Realist,
Let’s really be real. When did Atlanta become a major city attractive to high end jobs and development? The music haven of most of the top ten selling artists in music? One of the busiest airports in the nation? My race (white) didn’t do such a great job in the Jim Crow days and I don’t see many murders, rapings, and hangings being covered up by local governments anymore. As with any local government in the south, it is only called corruption when the “other” race is in control. Let’s not throw the Bill Campbell label on all black elected officials.
You are not a Realist
By Aquagirl
August 3, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
Illegal immigrants are here for jobs, not to be citizens, or because they love the USA. If there were decent jobs in Mexico, they’d be happy to stay there and work. Sadly enough, Bush has shown no backbone in addressing the problem…big business likes to have people who will work hard, won’t complain to OSHA, and accept low wages. If the INS started visiting chicken processing plants, etc. and sending illegals home, and then fining the employers big bucks, the problem would solve itself.
Oh, but then cheap-a*s Americans couldn’t buy chicken for 98 cents a pound, and they might even have to mow their own lawns. Republicans would lose the support and campaign contributions from those big businesses. I guess Jim’s suggestion of temporary work permits would allow us to do all that. Good idea!
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
see how the REDNECK BIGOT
GUTLESSLY runs away yet again …
like an immature cyber child who’s terrified of being confronted with its puerile pathetic behaviour.
keep running redneckbigot … you sad wittle coward!!
By Curious Observer
August 3, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
If we can maintain a Social Security database, consisting of hundreds of millions of records, why can’t we create one that lists every citizen and every green card worker? How is this proposal demogoguery? Why are we willing to spend billions of dollars for a useless border fence, when even half that amount would fund a source by which every employment application could be checked?
By getalife
August 3, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
rednecks,
You write well. “Andy” will go off when you have more time to talk to him. It is funny as hell when he does.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Feingold? A twice divorced, grandchild of immigrants, who attended the biggest party college in the country at Wisconsin-Madison? Yeah. Cant wait to see those skeletons come flying out of the closet….
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
because you dishonest leftist … you fail utterly to address any of the awkward substantive points I raised earlier … and once again you lefties attempt to define the debate ignoring factual reasoned criticism of illegals and the huge problems they are causing. IF THEY were not HERE NONE OF THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM!!
checking their applications means letting them stay!!
By James
August 3, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
Realist posted Before the mexican revolution in the usa, do you recall seeing any blacks out there swinging hammers or putting up drywall in the blazing sun? I sure dont remember many….
Wow man, until maybe 30 to 40 years ago, the only jobs available for Blacks were hard labor. I guess we should just forget about the 400 years of forced free labor in building this great nation. I guess since my wife is bi-racial I may be a little sensitive to these thoughts by my kin.
TFTT, I know you are not one of the crazy ible thumping, believing in fair tale conservatives, but you have to understand that the thoughts of people like Realist keeps minorities wary of the Republican party.
By Dusty
August 3, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
Maybe I could pay some attention to your posts if you were not patently and blindly anti-Bush. Your extreme attitude extends right into anti-American accusations against our troops, the war in Iraq and anything the American government does.
I can tolerate your personal foolish name-calling but your efforts against this country are unacceptable. Using free speech to spread hatred is neither amusing nor informative. That is true for you, RedNecks and Candide.
By nikki
August 3, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
No matter who is right or wrong on immigration does anyone really believe the government can or will do anything about it. They could not properly handle a natural disaster.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
James
Its hard to condemn someone from such a brief post. who knows - maybe where he lives there weren’t many black folks living 40 years ago and remember blacks were clearly discriminated against 40 years ago and there were no mexicans here to speak or … not like now. and you’re aboslutely right, I aint no luvvver of the christian right!! But I am a proud centre right, somewhat moderately pro-choice conservative on most issues.
By Van
August 3, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
getalife,
Regarding your whine about signing statements
Reagan GHW - 232 Clinton - 140 GW - 130
Get a life
By getalife
August 3, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Good job, blog monitor.
I will continue to voice my opinion until I die.
Give me liberty or give me death.
Let us pray. Please God have pity on Dusty and her fellow wingnut moonbats. They do not know what they spew. Her hatred toward fellow bloggers is a sin and her blind support for criminals is unexcusable. I am sure you will forgive her sins.
Amen.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
Thanks Van,
Got a life.
Do you know, one of W’s signing statements condones this?
This is after McCain’s effort to stop it. Now you know .
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Sorry Realist,
It’s just not true. I moved to Atlanta in 1986 and as now the place was always under construction and the construction workers were mostly black with a few white guys here and there.
There is an all black work crew developing the area right next to my house. They are there at 7:00 am, work all day in the hot sun and don’t leave until 7 at night..every day.
Contrast that with a couple of white guys I used to live next to…they made their “living” putting up sheet rock…although they usually called it Miller time around 12:30 in the afternoon and were passed out by 4:00 every day.
And no, I’m not black…
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
I live in Atlanta where there are nothing but blacks and I dont see any TODAY out swinging hammers, I see mexicans. I dont care about what happened 400 years ago. It has nothing to with me or anybody I know. Nobody is alive today who took place in the wrongs that were done. Today is today. Not working today because you worked hard 40 or 400 years ago is ridiculous and nothing more than an excuse to sit back and watch your soaps and eat cheetos and drink grapico while I bust my a*s to pay for it. People who dont work today, whether black, white or mexican, do so because they are enabled by liberal social welfare programs that people like ME pay for with every paycheck. And because its my money that funds these programs, I have every right to speak out against them and the lazy worthless SOB’s who sit on thier asses and feed off society like a leach. The mexican problem is simply going to create about 10 million more leaches to suck on the govt teet that, once again, I pay for.
By what nonsense!
August 3, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
regardless of your political affiliations, let’s use actual facts when giving statistics, please.
“President Bush has used presidential signing statements more than any previous president. From President Monroe’s administration (1817-25) to the Carter administration (1977-81), the executive branch issued a total of 75 signing statements to protect presidential prerogatives. From Reagan’s administration through Clinton’s, the total number of signing statements ever issued, by all presidents, rose to a total 322.
In striking contrast to his predecessors, President Bush issued at least 435 signing statements in his first term alone. “
(from Findlaw.com, http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html#continue)
By getalife
August 3, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Realist,
How do you feel about Iraqi welfare?
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Realist,
Have we declined so far as a society, have you become so bitterly partisan, that it is difficult if not impossible for you to identify one moderate or liberal who would at minimum do as well as W? Do you genuinely believe that his performance could be considered as “good?”
I mean, with everything that’s happening domestically and in the world, that man’s about to start yet another month long vacation. If your office or place of work were falling apart, and you were the key to turning things around, would you disappear for a month?
Regarding R-AAQ’s very entertaining tirade, what gets me is how I’ve read numerous posts on this blog by good ol’ ‘muricans, who substitue the work “black” or “mexican” or some thinly-veiled-yet-clearly-racial phrase into the same type of commentary, and think they should be saluted for “tellin’ it lak it iyus.”
Rednecks has previously stated that being a redneck is more of a state of mind, and has little to do with color.
His biggest problem seems to be those who revel and glory in their own ignorance, and call it conservatism.
That is, of course, an insult to most conservatives who remember when it was all about limited government, fiscal restraint and a strong military. True conservatism doesn’t need bigotry to succeed. But a redneck bigot isn’t a conservative. A redneck bigot is an abhorrent aberration.
By Van
August 3, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
The link you gave was a bit biased, here is what that signing statement said
The Executive Branch shall construe [the torture ban] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary Executive Branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power.
Sounds real out there doesn’t it. Sounds like a real threat to our society.
By GodHatesTrash
August 3, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Nicely done, get. God in His heaven has no use for hypocrite trash.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
@ Realist,
Before the mexican revolution in the usa, do you recall seeing any blacks out there swinging hammers or putting up drywall in the blazing sun? I sure dont remember many….
Well Missuh Realist, suh, I sho believes you was up in de big house sippin’ a mint julip while us darkies was in de field. I sho’s am sorry dat you feels dat way.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Im happy for you watta load. I happen to live in Atlanta TODAY, and in a new subdivision that is being built as we speak. Each day I see no less than 200 workers come and go from the subdivision. There is a handful of white dudes, but not a SINGLE black to be seen anywhere. Yet all I hear from McKinney and the like is how they are not treated fairly and there are no jobs for them blah blah blah. I dont care if someone is white, black, brown, or purple, get up, stop your whining and excuses, and get a job and carry your own weight in this country. Any by carry your weight, I mean learn the language, follow the laws, pay your own way, be responsible for your children or STOP having children if you have NO MONEY. These are ideas that must be so out of this world to you liberals. Carry our own weight? No, never.
By James
August 3, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Watta Load and Realist,
I’ve been a civil engineer for 10 years working in the US and in Dubai. I just don’t see the lack of blacks nor whites doing the hard labor jobs. True enough our contractors hired by the construction part of the process hires the cheapest labor they can find and it has become Mexican by a large amount (in the South). In Dubai, the cheapest labor came from Ethiopia or India.
Realist, thanks to the Clinton era and the Republican congress of the 90’s..we simply do not have the wel-fare system you talk about. People cannot live on the system anymore….maybe you should move out of the neighborhood where this is going on..OR maybe you live in an affluent neighborhood and the blacks you see simply do not have to work a blue collar job because they too have achieved the American dream of laying on the couch eating cheetos and drinking grapico watching soaps.
And if you are feeling the impact of “paying for welfare” so much then I advise a new career and better salary, because trust me…the more I have made the less I felt the impact of the higher taxes. Because I don’t live check to check.
By GodHatesTrash
August 3, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
time for the truth, it is pretty ignorant and stupid to call people out in cyberspace, you moron.
Trash.
By Van
August 3, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Liberal,
There is plenty of work and workers to go around, legal immigrants and the US work force is alive and well.
If the illegals only took the low income work, then our children are being squeezed out of starter jobs and summer work.
But, that is not the case. They are taking skilled labor also. As seen in the last big protest marches in California, a sign said, “I am not an Illegal, I am a electrican”
The Unions, in trying to regain some clout, have embraced illegals into their ranks. The Unions are encouraging them by offering training and higher wages.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Well Van
On moral grounds, it is very bad.
Whatever makes you feel safer huh?
Cheerlead the cheerleader, he is the decider and knows what is best for our country. Better Dusty?
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Rarrington … re-read redneckbigots earlier explicit drivel and then substitute blacks in there where the rape/laziness/drug abuse etc bile is most extreme …and tell me honestly that if anyone else on here wrote a post about blacks with that exact same language you wouldn’t get extremely uppity. The fact that its about white southerners is what has you glossing over and minimising you ‘defence; of rednecks. I note your comments @ rednecks being state of mind … but again - its simply a matter of either treating all folks equally - and that tone is clearly way over the line … or you tolerate selective bigotry!! you seem to be tolerating selective bigotry.. That’s my opinion - which is as equally as valid as yours …
if such a post about blacks appeared would you merely consider it “entertaining”?? LIKE HELL YOU WOULD!!
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Hey WHAT NONSENSE, Yeah, we all read the paper and saw the Signing Statements blurb. What president from Monroe to Carter suffered a direct attack on the citizens of this country as GW did? Enough said. He is doing what he has to do and had he not been there, we would have been attacked again for certain.
And to Watta Load, Im sorry to hear you live in that sort of neighborhood next to white trash like that. I suppose I have had it good that I have worked hard, paid my taxes, and havent had to live in that sort of filth. I suppose I should be ashamed becuase of that good fortune though.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I wouldn’t argue with any of your points about responsibility.
I believe you asked about the labor conditions before the influx of hispanics which I would place in the early 90s…
My point was that there were plenty of blacks doing the work before the mexican influx started…
But come on…the only whites on these job sites are the contractors…they aren’t laying bricks.
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
yankeetrash … go play with the traffic on I-285!!
By GodHatesTrash
August 3, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
time for the truth, it is pretty ignorant and stupid to call people out in cyberspace, you moron.
Trash.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
@ Realist,
There is a handful of white dudes, but not a SINGLE black to be seen anywhere.
Well the handful of whites that you have seen in your subdivision may have hired the hispanic workers as day laborers. Anyway, most blacks I know work in offices.
Yet all I hear from McKinney and the like is how they are not treated fairly and there are no jobs for them blah blah blah.
I know it’s hard to believe, but in a lot of parts of Metro Atlanta and Georgia there is a lack of jobs. Even middle-management white-collar folks have been losing their jobs as companies have slimmed down and streamlined operations.
*Any by carry your weight, I mean learn the language, follow the laws, pay your own way, be responsible for your children *
I agree. However, I believe that most immigrants try to learn the language. As much as I want to practice my Spanish, I have always been spoken to in English.
STOP having children if you have NO MONEY
True, but sometimes condoms break.
By what nonsense!
August 3, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Realist — Perhaps if others didn’t post such blatant lies regarding the use of signing statements and other easily verifiable data, I might not be offended to the point of discrediting the remarks. However, I’ll remember how easily you are offended by FACTS
“By Van
August 3, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
getalife,
Regarding your whine about signing statements
Reagan GHW - 232 Clinton - 140 GW - 130
Get a life”
By getalife
August 3, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
Okay, you scared cowards.
The borders and ports are wide open. DHS is a joke. The intellegent community is in disarray. The military is stretched thin, the money is being cut. Our government does not care about your frigging safety. They care about money.
Feel safer now?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
James, The more you make, the LESS impact taxes have on you? Is that what you said? I dont know or care what you make. According to what I have read my wife and I are in the top 1% of wage earners in this country. And I can tell you that as I built my career, acquired stocks, real estate investments, etc, I certainly didnt feel LESS of a tax burden. I think you are way off base on that one, but again, I dont know what you consider ” a lot” of money. I certainly dont live check to check as you tried to imply. As far as laying up eating potatoe chips, drinking scrawburry soda and wathcing judge mathis, that isnt my idea of the american dream. That is my idea of laziness.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
TFTT,
That’s what I said in my earlier post, that more than a few of the more extreme people on this blog have done EXACTLY THAT (realist is on the edge of it this morning), and then been commended for it. I was struck by how I’ve read, on this very board, the same kinds of insults hurled at blacks, mexicans, and arabs, and those on the so-called right we applauding such vileness.
The way you feel about R-AAQ’s comment is the way minorities feel when they see similar posts on here about them.
But y’all shouldn’t mind that. After all, he’s just being direct and “anti-PC,” which is a fixture of redneck republicanism (apologies to actual conservatives as defined in my previous post).
TFTT, you want to be the voice of conservatism, fine. I look forward to you denouncing your fellow conservatives the next time something like this is directed towards a minority. I’m sure you won’t forget to, but if you do, don’t worry. I or someone like me will always be around to remind someone like you.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Gee Realist I was trying to be civil…
I lived next to the drunk drywallers when I was in school…I have since also worked hard, paid my taxes and mortgage, and “moved out of the hood”.
Your characterizations of blacks as lazy is just ignorance bud…my experience with blue collar white guys has been terrible..I’ve hired plenty to do work on my house and they either don’t show up…show up drunk..or do half the work and I never hear from them again…
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Realist said:
What president from Monroe to Carter suffered a direct attack on the citizens of this country as GW did?”
Um,
Polk (attack of the Alamo-albeit in mexican-controlled Texas) Lincoln (Attack on Fort Sumter y’all ‘member that?) T.Rex (Attack on the Maine) Wilson (Attack of the Lusitania) FDR (Pearl Harbor - ‘nuff said) JFK (Cuban Missile Crisis) Carter (Hostage taking) Reagan (Marine Barracks in Lebanon) Clinton (OK city bombings by white supremacists, WTC bombing by arab supremacists)
…to name a few.
Read less Ann Coulter. Read more history.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
@Realist
As far as laying up eating potatoe chips, drinking scrawburry soda and wathcing judge mathis
Don’t leave out the fact that we eat watermelon and fried chicken too. And sometimes we have to get up off the couch and drive down to the welfare office in our Cadillacs. I do de-clare!
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Dear Stweartr @ 9:30, I suspect you missed my point, and that is “illegal” immigration is criminal in the same sense as driving 56 mph on I-285. There is nothing evil about people crossing borders for pure economic reasons.
Every time the nanny government acts to interrupt intelligent economic activity, it causes two more problems. My proposals are to address the true problems underlying the perceived adverse effects of immigration, not to blindly blame immigration.
To rephrase the issue for all, if we can (1) manage immigration so that there is no arguable strain on the social and welfare infrastructure, and (2) overcome the arguable problems associated with language barriers, does anyone really care if 10 million Mexicans join our population every year? I don’t.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
I have never advertised or pigeon holed myself as one type of conservative or another. Frankly, if the Democratic party had a shift, a big shift, of ideology, and put a decent candidate, I would have no problem casting my vote for thier candidate. Im a Bush supporter, not because he is perfect, he is far from it, but he is better than the alternatives where in that last election to be certain. I am a man of science, not politics or history as some of you may be. I see things in black/white, not much gray for me. I believe what I believe plain and simple. I call a spade a spade. But Im always aware that I could be wrong and Im open to a change of mindset when i see the error of my ways. But to that end, I havent seen anything offered up from the venom spewing vile mouthed, slack jawed, double talking, hypocrite liberals and democrats to date. There is an election coming up, and I really dont see a candidate I want to support on either side. With the exception of Frist :)
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
@ Realist,
eating potatoe chips
Did you accidentally spell potatoe wrong or were you giving props to Dan Quayle?
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
@ Realist,
eating potatoe chips
Did you accidentally spell “potato” wrong or were you giving props to Dan Quayle?
By Van
August 3, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
getalife-
“…and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power.”
Just read it, it is very sound and constitutional, even includes checks and balances.
BTW, except for the dead and bleeding, I suffered worse than that in boot camp.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
@ liberal
Did you accidentally post that twice or did it come out of the other side of your mouth that all you liberals liek to talk out of?
boo ya
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
I have a correction, it wasnt a typing error but a factual error. I beleive the correct chip of choice is corn chip. I apologize for the error.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
@Realist,
Whatever political opinions you have are fine. Argue them by all means. I like hearing different opinions and I’ve enjoyed your posts over the past few weeks. Just leave the stereotyping out.
You don’t have to be PC, but at the same time don’t be a d#ck.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Saxby is up. This is your Senator, GA.
Here is his question:
What have we done right?
Unbelievable. Nothing but spin.
By NParry
August 3, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
According to a detailed analysis in the New York Times (Monday, 7/31) there are six million educated MEN in the US who don’t want to work anymore either because they can’t find benefits they were used to or they just don’t want to work. Six million of them are either depending upon working wives or are on welfare!!
And we are blaming the Mexicans for taking our jobs?
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Van,
Are you saying you were tortured in boot camp?
Who checks these signing statements?
By Markus
August 3, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
@rarringt:
“I look forward to you [TFTT] denouncing your fellow conservatives the next time something like this is directed towards a minority.”
I don’t recall conservatives on this board ever even bringing up race in a derogatory reference. Liberal Anti-American’s Al Qaeda poison that is spilled on this board daily should be completely ignorned in my opinion.
I know what she/he/it is trying to do though… I know the pattern well: try and incite retaliatory racial reference by whites (“rednecks”) on this board towards blacks. This individual keeps getting disappointed however, that’s why he/she/it continues to foam at the mouth here with mindless liberal psychobabble. I don’t even read Liberal Anti-American’s Al Qaeda’s posts, and I’d recommend others don’t either as well as refrain from responding.
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Jmblaw
To rephrase the issue for all, if we can (1) manage immigration so that there is no arguable strain on the social and welfare infrastructure, and (2) overcome the arguable problems associated with language barriers, does anyone really care if 10 million Mexicans join our population every year? I don’t.
Yes I agree if all of these issues could be addressed, I don’t think anyone would care about the Mexican immigration. However it would be almost impossible to solve these issues. The Mexican people are very proud (as they should be) of their heritage and most have no desire to assimilate into our culture. It is the Mexican policy to encourage their poor and criminal element to migrate to the US, and that is a big problem that we must address. I’m sure that you heard the story out of the LA Times where an illegal alien had her tenth child and in her interview she said that “America is so great, we get free medical care, free food and a free place to live”. Most of the statistics suggest that for every dollar of positive influence of illegal immigration on our economy, that there is a $2-3 negative influence. The best thing for the US and Mexico as a whole is to secure our border and help the Mexican people. They have the resources and human capital to be successful.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
@Realist,
*@ liberal
Did you accidentally post that twice or did it come out of the other side of your mouth that all you liberals liek to talk out of?
boo ya*
Now there’s the Realist that we all know and love.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
I buhleves yoself took it there fuhst bro.
I agree, I just thought I was playing along with you? As always, what is ok for the liberals to do and say, is awful and shameful and racist for the bad old right wing cracker to say. Such a joke.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Senator Bayh,
If there is a civil war, which side are we on?
Thank you Senator. Good question.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
@Realist,
I’ve never thought of you as a “bad old right-wing cracker”. Maybe a “disillusioned right-wing old man”.
I hope that doesn’t make me an ageist.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
well dang, when did 32 become old?
Liberal, if your belief system is the illusion, then yes, damn right Im disillusioned. And so is the vast majority of this country. Note all the red states…
And i never really thought of you as lazy corn chip eatting welfare leach, but more of a dwayne wayne real world -uppety - educated type.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Realist said:
“True, much of our society must feel that such hard labor is beneath them. But answer me this. Before the mexican revolution in the usa, do you recall seeing any blacks out there swinging hammers or putting up drywall in the blazing sun? I sure dont remember many….”
Not “working class,” not “whites,” “asians” or others. The first group of “labor class” folks that came to realist’s mind was black people.
That said, he will probably go to his grave claiming that saying something so utterly stereotypical isn’t racist.
Racism, however subtle, is unacceptable in a moral society. Yet so many moralists (especially those on this blog) love to flirt with racism. That’s hypocritical, and the reason I find R-AAQ’s consistently pointing that out to be so entertaining.
Cut the welfare, cut the free rides for EVERYONE, and the lazy non-working segment of our population will work or starve, period.
By Markus
August 3, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Unskilled labor in metro Atlanta is becoming harder and harder to fill outside of the Hispanic community. Two of my friends are general contractors for homebuilders. Every time they get a new contract and advertise for labor, there are always mostly Hispanics that show up. These are $10+/hr jobs (painting, drywall, etc.), not some low-paying “undercutting” jobs. Where have all the Americans gone on manual labor unskilled jobs? Are they just sitting around waiting for their “living wage” $20/hr perfect job? Because they sure aren’t filling those jobs around metro Atlanta, hence, the rush across the border to fill them. And like I said a few days ago, anyone who is over 21, able bodied, able minded, and still working a minimum wage job is an idiot. Opportunities abound out there.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Cut that last sentence. Editing error.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
@ Realist,
more of a dwayne wayne real world -uppety - educated type
LOL. C’mon man. You’re calling me a nerd!
Also, 32 is old for a guy like me who’s still in his 20s. However I’ll be old like you when I turn 30 next year.
And if the red states are disillusioned it’s because of the man that they chose to re-elect. We warned you…
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Thank you, rarringt, for your spirited defense. It is good to know that my many pearls of great wisdom are not just wasted on the swinish rednecks that congregate here.
They are whiners, haters, liars, and violently ungrateful towards their betters. But it is God’s work that I am doing, trying to save their miserable hatefilled souls from an eternity of damnation, and trying to save our world from their willful arrogant stupidity.
God bless you for your support.
By concerned citizen
August 3, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Yes, we must stop the “Mexicanization” of America. If we don’t, before you know it, there’ll be a burrito or taco joint on every street corner. Oh wait there already is a Moe’s, Wily’s and/or Taco Bell on every corner. But we need to prevent the random acts of landscaping that will break out. Or the vegetable picking and construction work that will spring up out of nowhere. Geeez, you’d think the word “Mexicanization” meant the killing of every first born son the way it is being thrown around. According to the Cenus Bureau, as of 2004, the the population of the United States is still 80% white. So to all you alarmists, your precious white majority is well intact. And while I’m on population statistics, more than half the world lives on less than $2 a day. So please, let’s close down the borders to keep out the riff raff and keep the minimum wage at $5 and some change even though the cost of living doesn’t have a cap on it.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
damn, I am getting old. Its supposed to be different world not real world. The joke was still damn funny though you have to admit….
Liberal, you are alright man. You one of the good uns. Id probably even set down at the table and eat with you I imagine. j/k lol
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
They are having problems filling jobs in New Orleans for rebuilding. They are using inmates and paying them.
Help wanted.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
MMmm, mexican food.
/drool.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Realist,
It is likely that as a person’s income increases their tax burden declines. Consider: with the exception of certain C-level executives, there’s generally few folks making more than a few hundred grand while in someone else’s employ.
Most of the top earners are generally self-employed, or in the investor class. As you know from your various stock and RE investments, the calculus as it effects tax exposure changes dramatically.
Can you say 15% capital gains tax (before writeoffs) vs. being at the top of the income tax scale?
By Van
August 3, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Signing Statements are up for congressional review and the Justice department comes in when Congress challenges the implementation of the statements.
Tortured in boot camp, heck no, it was part of our training, a little humiliation and degrading activities were happy times. In fact, I know a place that will give you 30 days vacation a year, including the first year, get you in great shape and strengthen your backbone, sounds like you need it.
If you are smart enough, educated enough and like a little challenge in your life, the USMC is waiting.
By James
August 3, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Realist YOU are not a man of science because you see things in black/white. A true man of science (which I am)knows that science is full of gray areas. I cannot do my job if assumptions aren’t made. Hydrology (one of the voodoo sciences a civil engineer lives by) is nothing but gray. The only black and white in science is in basic math. 2 + 2 = 4. Physics the science that ALL engineers live by is so full of gray areas that laws (thermodynamics) had to be created in order for the science to be followed. Lets not even talk about quantum physics or astronomy with its dark matter and all. Realist you are not real at all.
By Karen
August 3, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Why does anyone even acknowdedge redneck bigot’s presence? He’s here day after day talkin’ trash and he does it to p**s everyone off! He has no life and I’m sure, no friends. He’s nothing but a boil on the A** of Humanity. He’s just a miserable human being trying to make everyone else miserable and he get’s off getting a reaction out of you because in real life he gets NO ATTENTION! He thinks by typing big words that he looks smarter, another sign of his insecurities. He thinks by putting you down that he looks better. So please don’t fall for his CRAP. He’s a spineless human being who would never have the courage to spout his garbage in public.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Exactly Getalife. Do you really think all the welfare rats who were living off the system in New Orleans want to come back and be a part of the rebuilding and actually be vested in the community? Why heck no. They have moved on to greener pastures or at least greener government housing projects. See its part of the bigger problem. Everybody wants to be IN America and have all the benefits, but nobody wants to work and be vested in the community and be a true American. Its pathetic, just pathetic. Talk to the Jews, Irish, and Italians and ask them what they think. They certainly didnt come to this country and ask for a handouot. They didnt want to be called Irish-American, Italian-AMerican, they wanted to be an AMERICAN! They worked thier asses off for everything they got. They had PRIDE in thier work and in their communities. You just arent seeing that with the African Americans and Mexicans. They are seperatists plain and simple.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Van,
You mean the rubber stamp Congress. LOL. A Democratic majority my help with oversight.
Yeah right USMC. LOL. I have a problem with authority like other men screaming in my face. I doubt they would take me due to my health. Thanks for the suggestion though, and they do need more people.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
Dear Stewart @ 12:15, first I apologize for my wild mispelling of your name, and second, I thank you for giving me a chance to find a common ground for discussion.
I’m not sure I buy into the idea that the Mexican government - admittedly historically not fully trustworthy from US perspective - “encourages their poor and criminal element to migrate to the US.” This in not exactly the Mariel boatlift we are talking about here. These are almost exclusively hard-working and motivated immigrants, working to send money back home, as I’ve argued here, easily the most effective international charity in the history of the world.
Whether there is an LA/Mexican welfare queen is less significant for the Mexicanness than for the welfareness. I believe the two underlying sticking points for most of us are the language barrier and the financial strain on our social programs. I believe those can be addressed separately, outside the direct context of immigration, with less injury to our economy.
We may need a Constitutional amendment on the language thing, to make English the only official language - something to encourage our guests to assimilate, although most of those I meet speak two languages at least as well as the one I speak.
I think you intelligent articulate the argument for more welfare reform, which requires nothing more than legislative action, in the form of reductions.
By the book
August 3, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
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CARTOON IDEA: Show Shia guard dogs turning on their Sunni teddy bear captives and ripping them to shreds. The dog’s trainer says, “I love the smell of stuffing in the morning…” The caption reads, “No doubt anymore, it’s a Kennel War in Iraq.”
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Realist,
C’mon man. Not everybody in this country has had the same experience. In regards to African Americans, bigotry was written in the law books until 40-years ago. It takes time to progress from that. If you don’t think that blacks don’t take pride in their communities, go to Cascade Road or Stone Mountain.
Separatists? Don’t forget that housing discrimination has been around for a long time. It’s not as bad as 20 years ago when the folks up in Forsyth went mad, but it’s still around.
And Irish and Italians have tried to maintain their identity. Why in the hell do you think we have St. Patrick’s Day? Why is there a Little Italy? Why did the Italian neighborhoods in Chicago, New York, Boston, etc go crazy when Italy won the World Cup last month?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Karen, you remind me of the quote “why do the heathen rage?”.
Here I am doing God’s work, pointing out how despicable and hatefilled so many of you are, and you attack me personally?
Lord, protect me from these redneck devils and their hate and lies and viciousness. Despite the powerful lessons of Your Son, Lord Jesus Christ, they let hate and viciousness run wild in their hearts. Help me to be me more like Your Son, help me to forgive. I beseech You to bring love to their wild and angry hearts.
Amen.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Realist,
They called us wops and other names then we sprayed them with our machine guns and organized.
Just kidding FBI.
The “me” generation is all about me and very lazy. I agree.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Well James, you might want to get back to your ajc job ads. You dont seem to be accomplishing much for the world of engineering hanging around in here all day.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Realist said:
“They had PRIDE in thier work and in their communities. You just arent seeing that with the African Americans and Mexicans. They are seperatists plain and simple.”
Thanks again, for making my point (and validating R-AAQ’s presence here) about racist postings from the right.
TFTT, as promised, here’s you opportunity. Denounce his statement. Go ahead. It won’t hurt.
Probably not, anyway.
Karen, don’t attack the man (or his extended vocabulary). Attack points. Arguments. Logic. That’s how you gain credibility in here (and in the real world, for that matter).
Ad hominem attacks, on the other hand, smack of ignorance and get you nowhere but dismissed.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
@ liberal
Exactly, they all have thier communities and holidays like Little Italy and St. Patricks Day. And you know what, we can celebrate it right along with them without fear of being stabbed or shot. And we can visit Little Italy because its a decent place that they take pride in. Its not a slum like Norcross is becoming, or Chamblee has already become, or a crime a second community like SW Atlanta, or third world country looking area like Gainesville. Nobody is saying dont have a heritage and dont have pride in where you come from, just have a little pride in where you are TODAY as well.
By James
August 3, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Realist..Are you really that ignorant? First, do not compare the imigration of Italians, Irish and Jews to the “immigration” of blacks to America. They are the only non indigenous group that was brought to these lands unwillful. So I don’t believe they came for a “handout” as you put it. And for the Africans and West Indians that are migrating over now, I have never known a Jamaican or Nigerian without a job.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Yes, Realist, Little Italy is such a great neighborhood. But don’t pay your protection money and you’ll end up in little pieces in the north Jersey swamps….
By Realist
August 3, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Get off your high horse rarringt. You dont have to be an egg head to make a good point in this forum. And despite what you might think, there are opinions other than your own that could be valid.
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure I buy into the idea that the Mexican government - admittedly historically not fully trustworthy from US perspective - “encourages their poor and criminal element to migrate to the US.” This in not exactly the Mariel boatlift we are talking about here. These are almost exclusively hard-working and motivated immigrants, working to send money back home, as I’ve argued here, easily the most effective international charity in the history of the world.
I think if you were to do some research into this matter you would find that the Mexican Government is indeed encouraging the migration to the US. Mr. Fox has been to the US on many occasions lobbying to our leaders to not secure our borders. Also there are paved roads to “no where” leading up to and ending at the US border. They allow the transport to the border while at the same time maintaining one of the most secure ingress and egress borders to their south.
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Jmblaw, my previous post was in response to your’s.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
Also, to “the book” @ 8:58, a short note on my profession: many have misconceptions about attorneys.
An attorney is nothing more than a janitor. Our job is either (1) pure maintenance, to prevent a problem, or (2) to clean up a mess someone else made, and not make the mess-maker feel bad in the process. Any glory in the effort is purely a creation of a fertile imagination.
Although, I admit, I enjoy being the problem-solver. It’s good for my ego to be able to conceive a resolution where others see none.
By James
August 3, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Realist, don’t worry about my job. As long as you breath, walk, drive, whatever…I’ll always have a job. Oh yeah, since Atlanta has been such a great city for development ..I can design,blog with you. and remain billable.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Alas, Realist, it is not so much that rarringt’s horse is so high, it is more that yours is so low…
By getalife
August 3, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Yes rednecks,
That reminds me, where is my money before I have your legs broken.
Capeesh. LOL.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Now Stewart, you found another area where we can agree. I accept that the Mexican government encourages “people” to emigrate, while I still reject the idea that the Mexican government encourages “criminals and poor people” to emigrate.
I also have no problem with the Mexican government encouraging “people” to emigrate to the US. I start with a perspective that we are a “brotherhood of man,” and such a self-help effort by industrious Mexicans reduces my obligation to provide similar help through the UN and other untrustworthy international charities.
By Van
August 3, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
getalife,
“I have a problem with authority…” - i have noticed that in young people, the immature.
The older you get the more ralistic you become. We all must adhere to some form of authority. From red lights at intersections to paying our bills on time, that is all the same thing, bending to authority when needed.
Most people my age understand authority and our BS detactors can smell out rotten authority, it is a talent sharpened with age and maturity - time to grow up.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Guess you haven’t been to Cascade. Or Camp Creek. Or Stone Mountain. Or Lithonia. Or Fairburn. Or Fayetteville. Or College Park. Or Mableton. Or in any of the hundreds of mixed neighborhoods we live in.
Because based on your posts today, you clearly don’t know much about black people other than what you get from DavidDuke.com.
It’s a free country, but best to speak only when one has something worth saying. It makes one look like less of an ignorant, racist idiot.
Who was the last person shot at the MLK parade? How many non-black people were turned away at The National Black Arts Festival on account of anything other than a full house? The African American Film Festival? ANY Kwanzaa celebration? Mega Fest? Atlanta Football Classic? Atlanta Family Reunion? VIBE fest?
For someone who is currently operating from a bigoted perspective to denounce a group of people historically and presently noted for their inclusionary practices smacks of hypocrisy.
Really, go out and meet more people. Watch less Fox News. It’ll be good for you.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Im not comparing HOW they got here. The simple fact is that they ARE here. So now that you are here, what do you do? Do you lay around and wallow in self pity, look for the easy way out, rely on the government to send you a check each month and provide a home? Or in the case of the mexicans, do you work each day, live as many to a house as possible, leave your wife and children back in mexico, rape our healthcare and community services and send $6 of every $10 you earn back to Mexico? You guys can spew all the leftist “im such a brainiac” egg head facts you want, but you cant escape the fact that the communities are getting run down and trashed, crime is rampant to the point the counties like Gwinnett are doing everything in thier power to tell the mexicans they DONT WANT THEM THERE, babies are being born everday sick that are now the taxpayers responsibilty and who have no hope of any kind of life. How exactly is this scenario ok to you people. It has to change somewhere, it cant change as long as liberal oppositionist like some of you keep excusing it and blaming the right-white.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
Please feel free to jump in any time now, and strike a blow against intolerance. Here’s yet another chance….
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
R-AAQ,
Guess Realist just thinks I’s a bein’ too uppity….
By Barbara
August 3, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Realist, at 11:41 you said “…….I suppose I have had it good that I have worked hard, paid my taxes, and havent had to live in that sort of filth. I suppose I should be ashamed becuase of that good fortune though.”
You’re damn right! Shame on you for working hard and paying your taxes so you can live a better life. You should turn over all of your money right now so it can be divvied up between everyone, including those that don’t work for it. That way we all will have the same stuff! Don’t you get it????LMFAO….. They’re not going to leave you alone until you do it.
And Karen, you are absolutely right. We shouldn’t respond to that redneck wanna-be. Many posters have made that statement in the past, yet for some reason, we still get sucked in every now and again. Stewart is right - and I’ve been scrolling past his posts without reading them for a while now just so I’m not tempted to respond. It’s amazing how so many screechers have alligned themselves with him these days. Shows where their loyalty is.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
Van,
I was speaking of when I was young enough to sign up.
I am retired and am well past my prime. I am half the man I use to be.
/hat tip Pearl Jam. Yes, I do enjoy music to get my blood flowing.
By James
August 3, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
Realist…so now we are egg heads. And you stated that you are in the top 1% earners in the nation. majority of them would be considered egg heads. I guess since you are not a man of science or a realist then you must simply be an egg head or a liar.
By Barbara
August 3, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
Point of clarification - I mean Stewart is right - and the screechers allign with redneck (not Stewart)
By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Lord, they send more of their sirens and harpies to plague me with their vicious hatefilled insults. Lord, protect me from these racist ignorant demons of hate in Jesus’s Name I pray. Lord, forgive them for they not only do not know what they do, but they are willfully ignorant, and hate rules their hearts. Strengthen me.
Amen.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
James,
Apparently, an “egg-head” is someone who can intellectually outmaneuver Realist, which sad to say ain’t that hard. The last refuge of an intellectual coward is an ad hominem attack. He’s also probably mad that he’s been bested (again) by one of those “scrawburry soda” drinking negroes.
:^P
Jbmlaw, Jim, Ugotta and TFTT are much more fun to play with, and they have nicer sandboxes.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
No, just a small business owner who gets up at 4:30am every day, is in the office by 7:00am, and has worked his off his whole life. I employ about 18 people, and not one of them are Mexican becuase I will not hire and illegal no matter how much it might save me. You see that is called having principal and morals and being true to what you believe. Just being what I call a good American.
In response to James, I again differ sir. From my experience meeting those in positions of power, whether it be C-level execs, professionals such as doctors, lawyers, bankers, I could go on and on, they are in my experience not egg heads at all. Contrastly, they seem to have more in common with myself which includes a solid christian upbringing, sports and athletic involvment early on and often into college years, association with greek fraternity organizations, good looks and charm, and popularity. Not unlike many of our politicians and Presidents. That is just my experience however. There is always Bill Gates, king of the nerds, who stands in dark contrast to my examples.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
How have I been bested by negroes? I still go home to my gated community tonight tucked away from all of it. I speak with my wallet and my vote, which is all the power or say I have in this mixed up society we have created.
By James
August 3, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
Realist AKA Man of Science: You lost me after Christian upbringing.
Rarringt: I’m not a black man..(married to a bi-racial woman though) but I have respect for the history.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
So much for that vaunted “charm” of yours (especially if you speak and/or act anything like you write).
Locking yourself behind a gated community doesn’t help. That’s the ostrich with their head in the ground tactic so universally lamented by “true” conservatives such as yourself.
Here’s the reality, Realist. The barbarians are at the gate. And we shudder every time they drive outside them and enter the rest of the world.
Back to the larger point. As a corporate lawyer, I interact with the folk you supposedly identify with on a daily basis. They wouldn’t recognize you. Here’s why: many of them, I’m sure, feel just like you do, but are smart enough to realize the world is changing and that it’s in their benefit to figure out how to best benefit by it.
You, on the other hand, refuse to hire brown folk you’ve assumed are all illegal, have disdain for black folk you’ve concluded are simultaneously pathologically violent and lazy, and fall behind your walls of brick and iron and unfettered ego.
You’re not a small businessman (which I heartily applaud, except for your hiring practices), you’re just small.
By Curious Observer
August 3, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Eliminating access to US jobs is the only way to deal with the problems created by hordes of illegal aliens. You can’t do it by mandating English-only, a probably unconstitutional action anyway. And railing at supposedly lazy social groups will not solve the problem. The main problem is that many US employers want access to illegal workers, and these employers are a main source of the funding of the major political parties. But you can alleviate the problems by eliminating the economic incentives that illegal workers have for coming here. In short, make it impossible for an illegal alien to get a job or social services here, and he/she will go back home, taking the spouse and children too. It’s for certain that conferring citizenship on these people is not the answer, nor is creating a guest-worker program. We can’t create a law mandating that US residents love their country and adopt its ways, but we certainly can tighten immigration and employment law. So bicker with one another all you want, but until it becomes too painful for employers and illegal aliens to attempt to enter into an employment relationship, you’ll see continued growth in the ranks of illegal aliens and their separatist cultures.
By Will Jones
August 3, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Illegal immigration is actively promoted by the Roman Catholic Church - read their “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry” - in order to take back the country they feel was stolen from them in the 18th C.
Read it yourself…or continue to be “confused” by the same Rockefeller/Bush/Nixon CFR/CIA Fifth Column that financed Hitler (through Prescott Bush), assassinated JFK (Bush1, Nixon, and E.Howard Hunt “couldn’t recall” their whereabouts upon hearing of JFK’s murder six weeks after he ordered us out of Vietnam) to send us to die for their 5% of Vietnam that owned 95% of that country’s wealth.
Any “informed” politician, journalist, opinion writer, or “believer” who fails to take into account the true meaning of “Whig,” in the name of the party which crafted the Founding, is obviously a dupe, tool or traitor.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
Dear Van @ 1:19, you sound so beaten down. Do not go gentle into that good night.
While you are fundamentally right that, “the older we get the more realistic we become,” for me realism takes the form of revolt against evil wherever I find it (and most often that is within government itself.) I know your instincts do not tell you to do whatever the government commands. We have too much in need of change for you to yield the fight.
Also, rarringt @ 1:35, thanks, please consider the compliment returned in kind. I look forward to crossing swords, but I fear your sense of humor is too strong for me to win.
By Dick
August 3, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Do you all actually think
1- our governemnt is going to do anything about this situation, 2-Mexicans are the only illegal immigrants in America?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
When “they” do come through the gates, me and mine will be firing back. Im not one of the scared ones ok. Im not intimidated by the likes of you. Not in here, not in an alley, not on the street, not anywhere. Not the educated one, not the drug addcited one, not the radical one, not the political one, not ANY one.
And as for my hiring practices, I dont ASSUME they are illegal, they come here applying for jobs and have no social security # or anything else. Sorry son, No Ablo.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Dear Curious Observer @ 1:54, you advocate suicide to cure a pimple. We do not have to destroy our economy to save it; we mostly only need to take the government back out of the calculus.
Hypothetically, if we abolish welfare entirely, do you then feel threatened by the Mexicans? Hypothetically, if we require the Mexicans to function in English language at every level of legal and social discourse, do you then feel threatened by the hordes?
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Who are “they” and “me and mine”?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
CuriousObserver, You are dead on accurate. Thats why Im doing my part as a business owner to say not no, but HELL NO, I wont hire you, not even if you would work for free.
By James
August 3, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
Realist says NO “Ablo” to Mexican applicants…hahahahaha
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
Who do you think? He’s a bit miffed right now, but hopefully when he calms down he’ll only be merely obnoxious.
Realist,
I didn’t say you were intimidated. I inferred you were weak. And, by the way your posts have degenerated into the “we’ll be firin’ back variety, you are also clearly beaten.
TFTT (and others who have been conspicuously in your silence),
Yoo hoo! Where are you? This guy is clearly being a reactionary racist, and you’ve got a clear shot at striking a blow for righteous republicanism everywhere. I mean, I’m an educated, somewhat successful professional (who happens to be black), which is the demo you’ve been trying to court since ‘96. Here’s your chance to denounce Realist, and prove there really is room under the big tent. Hello? Helloooo?
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
“No ablo”, very funny indeed.
It’s not like that Spanish is an entirely foreign language. I’t a European language with latin based words. Hell, a significant number of cities and states even have Spanish names.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
My God Realist…you are one cliche’. So would you hire a mexican that was fully documented and here legally?
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Guess nobody’s home. >:^(
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
@ liberal
Go back and read rarringb comment. He made some remark about the crusaders or marchers or something or another being at the gate. That is “they”. The me and mine are me and my family.
Its really simple and this is my final word. I will continue to try to do what I feel in my heart is right, to try to worship the lord jesus christ as best I can and honor and fear God, and try to raise my family to think a in a similar way. I know I will fall short of perfection in my attempts at living a righteous life for I am human. But I will not live in fear, I will die for what I think is right, whether its fighting against terroriest from the middle east or terrorist from SW Atlanta trying to carjack me. I wont support illegal immigrants being granted amnesty or a work program and I wont support anyone other than the disabled getting a check in the mailbox and a big peice of free cheese every month on my dime. Im all about work=reward. My family made its fortune in south alabama in the cotton and soy farming business. They worked harder and went through more than any people should have to. And I respect them for it and try to carry on thier legacy of hard work and pride. IF you have a problem with that, then thats too bad, becuase its your problem, not mine.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
Rarringt,
Let’s find out who Realist is, look up his address, round up our n$ggaz, and do a drive-by on his a$$. Afterwards, we can cash our welfare checks, buy some 40s and get some b#thces.
By Elwood
August 3, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Did anyone else notice the news story that 8 million boxes of oranges will rot on the trees in Florida this Summer, due to a shortage of illegal Mexican orange pickers?
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Now rarringt, ease up on TFTT - you know TFTT and I agree on 90% of the stuff blogged here every day. My arguments today, although perhaps lacking ad hominem, surely address the flawed thinking you cite. We try to change hearts and minds, not crush them.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
@ Realist,
Southwest Atlanta…hmmm….$300,000 homes, golf courses, tree-lined streets…sounds like a ghetto to me.
But wait a second…it is heavily populated by blacks…very strange isn’t it?
By James
August 3, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Rarringt: We have to understand that Realist is a liar. He is not a small business owner, if he is..then he’s not in the top 1% of earners in the nation. Terrible lie, just terrible. he does not live in a gated community, if he did then I promise he has at least one Falcon, one Hawk, one Rapper, one R&B singer, one black exec, that lives in his community. He’s a drafter in front of his computer spewing his hate and living a fantasy out in blog world.
By Larry
August 3, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
TTFT, Karen and others who would berate our redneck friend as a coward and a gutless turd: He has already proven this himself, I wait and haven’t seen him show up yet for a skull-pounding Sunday school lesson! Nice to know he learns about our culture from the Jerry Springer show. “…you ought to know by now that I am not an idiot” – why go to such convoluted explanations to prove otherwise? Your prayer was almost funny, best effort to date! C’mon down, you pencil-neck geek!
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
yep Liberal, its amazing what govt home mortgage programs exist for minorities. Im glad to see that. Everyone should know the pleasure of owning a home and knowing that pride and accomplishment.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
Guess Realist did get me earlier. Let me be clear. Realist is the actual barbarian, and the person with the problem. I’m fine with operating in the world. It’s got mucho problemas, but beats retreating into some fortress, whether it be it of wood or wits.
He knows this. He’s just mad that I’m questioning his judgment on ethnic groups and hiring practices, and thus confronting him with his own sad shortcomings.
But, I do agree with him that he’s said enough. Back to the top level discussion….
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this
I guess Realist and his family would feel safer up in Cobb County near the Silver Comet trail…
By James
August 3, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Realist: I’m being real here…you worship the lord Jesus? A man who was closer to the appearance of a cross between Osama and Colin Powell. Or are you talking about that pale skinned Jesus hanging up in your gated community church. You are in a world full of lies sir.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
James, Now you are really showing your ignorance man. I cant be a small business owner and be in the top 1 percent? I think you better check your numbers and do some research on the net about it. My company did $14M in revenues last year on roughly about 31% profit margin. My overhead is really low, so even you can summize that im doing pretty well. And yes, I do live in a community with many minorities, black and otherwise, and they each work hard and take pride in thier families and thier work. From our converstations, a few of them are more extreme right than I am.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw,
While I disagree with your points about 90% of the time as well :^), I do respect them. And you, as well as the others who present their positions in a lucid and cogent manner. Unlike Realist and his ilk, you present a real argument, generally backed up by a fair take on the facts.
My calls to TFTT were actually more for the larger community; I was trying to get one “conservative” to call Realist’s position out as not representative of conservatism. No such luck. No real surprise either, if one is a student of history and human nature.
TFTT along with Jim & co., who love to laud conservatism while villifying all things moderate and/or liberal, have just been unusually quiet today.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Realist,
And yes, I do live in a community with many minorities, black and otherwise
Well no wonder why you’ve never seen a black swing a sledgehammer in your neighborhood…they’re all rich like you. If you live next to minorities and have had the chance to meet and befriend them, how do you formulate such obtuse opinions and stereotypes about other ethnic groups?
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You don’t happen to be in real estate do you?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
You just hit the nail on the head Liberal. My problem is not with ETHNIC GROUPS. My problem is with anyone who freeloads, takes the easy way out, doesnt follow the rules of our society, doesnt want to work, and wants to “get thiers” no matter who they hurt or rob to get it! If the numbers say that it is the minority who is fits that mold (and they do) Im sorry. Maybe your time would be better spent in a boys or girls club in your own community and you could really make a change. But dont think for one second that I dont lump white trash right along with that group of parasites.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Realist wrote:
“My company did $14M in revenues last year on roughly about 31% profit margin.”
Currently, you allege to have 18 employees, yet super low overhead. hmmmm.
Historically, your family struggled mightily in the soy and cotton business in Alabama, yet succeeded and prospered despite the problems with dealing with those darned slaves/sharecroppers.
Anybody else see any parallels here?
I believe, I say I do believe, we’ve got ourselves a pernicious prevaricator within our midst….
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Realist spewed:
“My problem is with anyone who freeloads, takes the easy way out, doesnt follow the rules of our society, doesnt want to work, and wants to “get thiers” no matter who they hurt or rob to get it! If the numbers say that it is the minority who is fits that mold (and they do) Im sorry. Maybe your time would be better spent in a boys or girls club in your own community and you could really make a change. But dont think for one second that I dont lump white trash right along with that group of parasites.”
Minority. White trash. The same.
Welcome back to 1956, Realistically speaking.
By Curious Observer
August 3, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
No, jbmlaw, I don’t feel threatened by illegal workers, but the country is. And getting the government out of the equation is precisely why we have such a problem in the first place. If our government had enforced employment law, instead of giving a wink and a nod to it, we wouldn’t have the problem. How absurd it is that our Social Security Administration, after receiving contributions from thousands of people reporting the number 000-00-0000, somehow feels legally constrained from reporting the obvious fraud! And I want government handouts to be available as temporary assistance to people who’ve fallen on hard times through no fault of their own, rather than limiting it to merely the disabled. I don’t want to live in a jungle where the weak and the unfortunate get gobbled up like so many pieces of popcorn by the more fortunate. I don’t want children who’ve been abandoned by one or both parents to starve in the wealthiest country on the planet.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
No watta, no real estate. I own a small company that distributes a handful of very nich medical products used in cardiac labs. Most of my employees are warehouse shipping recving personell, a few accounting and collections and a recetpionist. We have a meager office and warehouse in gwinnett county. As I said, very skinny overhead considering the sales we do.
for you roaringt, no, no slaves to speak of. At least none in my life time, or yours.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
uh oh Realist - you said “white trash” - the rednecks here get vewy vewy upset with that - I think this will finally bring TFTT out from his sulking corner…
Larry - you and your son still looking for a man for your grunting and grabbing? Kinky! Try Candy Andy over on the Luckovich board.
By Susan
August 3, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Realist, your all-white team of lackeys must be working extra hard to afford you hours of time on this blog blowing hot air.
Since you have so much free time on your lily-white hands, I have a task for you.
Using Mapquest, as I am sure you do not know how to navigate inside the perimeter, map Howell Mill Road @ I-75. There is a very large construction site where a Walmart, Office Depot and several other large stores are being built.
I was on the jobsite yesterday and had an opportunity to see many construction workers. Guess what? In the 90+ plus heat, there are white, black and hispanic workers all working together. It’s calm and orderly and the work is progressing nicely.
It is by no means an Hispanic-only construction site.
Maybe it’s time you go out and interacted with the big wide world around you, instead of ordering around your all-white team of lackeys.
Based on your commentary, I can think of no worse hell than working for someone who sits and blogs on the AJC all day. Yes, I can hear your secretary now: “Mr. Realist is in a meeting, may I take a message?”
Oh, and about your low overhead? It’s very easy to find people in this economy who will work for low wages just to keep food on the table. While you, who has nothing more constructive to do than spew right wing wingnut junk, sits on your a*s and watches them do the real work. Yes, it’s easy to become rich by paying the real workers a pittance!
You are a character out of a Dickens novel.
(Realist googling Dickens, never heard of the guy)
By Realist
August 3, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
@ rarringT
Just keep standing by the mailbox rarringt. Your reparations check should be there any time now. Until then, keep up the good fight brotha.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Dear Curious @ 2:51, I regularly argue that socialism has always failed everywhere it is tried. My debate partner inevitably is reduced to something like, “they just did not implement it correctly.” The anti-immigrant laws, which you improperly characterize as “employment” laws, have the same inherent flaws as all other forms of socialism, and are condemned to failure before the ink is dry.
There is a better way, one that starts with freedom as its cornerstone.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
wow, susan has come out of the laundry room swinging I see. Honey, I didnt say my staff was all white (I do have a large white staff we can talk about though cupcake), I just said they werent mexican. Most all of my warehouse personell are black men. We are a tight knit group, we all go to braves games, golfing, they bring thier kids to my house and go swimming. You know what else? They all work hard and take care of thier families and stay out of jail, and they dont smoke pot or stay high on the cronic all the time. They are good men.
As far as my habits, Im rarely in the office, thanks for asking. My business is really just a cash machine. I have the right people in place that keep the machine working smoothly. I just recently had a wireelss network installed in my home and found it kind of fun to sit in my home office and play on the laptop. And somehow wound here in liberal land. And I do so love to have fun with you bleeding hearts.
ok now, go back in there, its time to put in the fabric softner.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
…oooh, that got me good. I’sa going to go out and carjacks someone now, so I can roll down to de welfare offices (if dat be ok with you, suh).
You would like to think of me in those terms, wouldn’t you. It’s better than viewing someone like me (and we are legion) as an equal. Here’s the good news; you don’t have to. Given where your head and heart are, we’re clearly superior, as is every other black, brown, white and pink with purple striped person out there who is more fixated on merit than melanin, and opportunity than oppression.
Welcome to the new world, “homie.”
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
Dear Curious @ 2:51, I regularly argue that socialism has always failed everywhere it is tried. My debate partner inevitably is reduced to something like, “they just did not implement it correctly.” The anti-immigrant laws, which you improperly characterize as “employment” laws, have the same inherent flaws as all other forms of socialism, and are condemned to failure before the ink is dry.
There is a better way, one that starts with freedom as its cornerstone.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Do you not realize that the majority of welfare recipients are white? You make the argument that there is something inherent in skin color and ethnicity whether you’re a criminal or not.
That’s a big problem here in our country. A lot of people think that just because your poor, it’s your fault. Nobody likes to talk about the WORKING poor. The people making next to nothing and can’t afford a decent apartment or health care. Nobody talks about why some people are poor. Everyone assumes laziness.
Are there people who abuse the system, yes. Am I going to punish and castigate a whole class of people for the misdeeds of a few, no.
And I’ll be damned if someone categorizes me as a criminal or a lazy welfare case just because my skin is dark. My family does not fit that profile and neither do any of my other friends who happen to be black like me. Nobody should have to endure crap like that.
If you and a lot of others keep prejudiced attitudes like that then expect all of the Cynthia McKinney’s in the world to be around for a while because you’re playing the role. You’ve gotta be better than that and you better teach your kids better than that.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Apologies for duplicate post, my machine locked up.
By realist
August 3, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
LMAO. rarringt, I think you are officially ready to put Doctor or Reverend in front of your name and go on tour with Jessie and Al. Wow. I would have been moved by that if I hadnt heard the exact same speech on turner South the other night during one of those “this is my south” spoken word commercials.
Im a good man, a good husband and father, a good citizen, and you wont convince me otherwise rarringt. It wont happen, ever. We are the legions. 80% of the land you live in. Remember that.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
Liberal and rarringt, you may or may not be amused by Ann’s latest outrage (I thought it was funny.) She was asked whether she had any comment about Cynthia McKinney: “One of the most intelligent Democrats in the country.”
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
Ok, Realist is clearly lying. Putting “right people in the right place” is no substitute for a sales (read “relationship”) oriented business generating 500k in net profits a year, much less 5M. Nobody in their right mind would turn that over so they could “play” in their office.
Looks like Realist is somebody’s clerk, with too much time on his hands and hate in his heart.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
For the few of you that pay taxes, your tax dollar goes directly to that “auntrapranoor” Realist, who has found a way to markup medical supplies 100% or so. Thanks to Medicare and Medicaid propping up our medical system, a biznessman like Realist has found a way to take the rest of us to the cleaners. Good for you, what a great Amurican you are Realist. I bet you thank God every day for the misery of others so that your little tribe of “trash” can live in your gated community.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw,
Could you imagine two crazy women like that sitting together in a bar?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Ah, good ol’ Realist - has a wifee and a family, but has to make a run at Susan anyway. Redneck gutter culture is everywhere in the south, especially behind the gates of gated communities.
Don’t worry Realist - even if your wife could read she knows you’re a pig.
By Dana
August 3, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Wow - to think I have been working all day and missed this discussion!!!!
Liberal@ 3:08, I don’t always agree with you but I applaud that post. Not sure I could have said it better!
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
Rarringt,
Do you think Realist tips his negro help in the warehouse a nickle after a day’s work and rubs their head for good luck?
By Larry
August 3, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
redneck: Some comeback! What a command of the English language! What a force to be reckoned with! Offer still stands!
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Yeah, it has been rather crazy in here today. Thanks for the nod.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
rarringt, Im shocked that you are stooping to the level that I clearly have been just having fun with. You are clearly getting upset. Calm down sir.
Not that its your concern or business, but I will amuse you. My company, at least for today, is the sole distributor in the eastern US for two cutting edge, cardiac cath products. There is no where else to get these products today, period. I handle the larger accounts management (ie. relationship management) and I have two young sales guys in my office who manage accounts and develope new ones. Its really not brain surgery. I am lucky right now. I was in the right place at the right time. It all could change tomorrow, but for today I have a nice life that lets me play golf, lounge at home between meetings, and spend time with my son. Enough for you or should I have you in for a tour?
By Susan
August 3, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
I was sort of believing R* about his band of quality black warehouse personnel, until this line:
“they dont smoke pot or stay high on the cronic all the time”
R*, pot and chronic are the same thing. Fake alert. So if they don’t stay high on pot or pot all of the time, they must do it some of the time?
Fake.
I don’t know many folks who trumpet their net worth, the fact that they live in a gated community, their line of work, profit margins, etc in a public setting. It smacks of wishful thinking.
And if you are so like, totally bright, why on earth did you have a wifi sytem installed?
It’s something any 10 year old child could do. Oh, you don’t have any children, do you? Man, sterility, what a bummer for the white race that you could not have kids.
And thank you, the laundry is coming along nicely. I do need some landscaping done, so since you have now gone from this really hard-working small business guy (up at 4:30am, at office at 7am) to someone who from a remote location runs a cash machine, I feel another fake alert coming on.
And after you finish the landscaping, how about polishing my silver?
Your first name is Rick, right?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Is that what you MILF housewives are calling to these days Susan, polishing your silver
LMAO You sound like you need your silver polished baby
And thats slick rick to you sweet teets
By Susan
August 3, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
Redneck, the more I read what you write, the more I appreciate you.
The funny thing is, given a chance for all parties on this blog to meet in person, I think it would wind up being two people.
You and I.
Larry and Andy would back-pedal with all manner of excuses. Realist could not take time off from counting his lucre. (www.dictionary.com, Realist) Jbmlaw is not a lawyer nor does he play one on TV. Barbara would be so intimidated by the decor and ambience that she wouldn’t get past the valet. Wooten isn’t fond of Phipps so I guess the lounge at the Ritz Carlton is out of the question.
I guess that leaves you and I, R-AA. I’ll buy you a drink and I’ll have a lemonade/iced tea. Love those lovely snackie bits they serve. You know, the cheese straw/olives/mixed nuts trays that appear at cocktail hour.
By James
August 3, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Realist has been known as a fake ever since he stated he was a man of science …things are black/white no gray area. That’s the earth is flat, Sun orbits Earth, global warming is a leftist lie type world he lives in (while he sits at a computer screen living out his fantasy life)
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Thats fine, dont invite me sweet Susan. Im more of a Fogo or Capital Grill man myself. lol
By Susan
August 3, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Sorry, not a MILF nor a housewife. Try again.
Didn’t your wife work for Bell South many years ago? And you were an Army Ranger? You like Johnny Winter?
You’re starting to sound familiar.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Um, smells like weed up in here.
Jim,
I just took a look at the blogs you vist and I see where your mind set comes from. I read them too and there is too much hatred toward libs on those blogs. If we could channel that hatred towards real problems, we just might accomplish solutions. Other blogs do point out the right wing hatred but they do not focus on them. They want to clean up mess the conservatives have created and focus on that. Just saying.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
*Is that what you MILF housewives are calling to these days Susan, polishing your silver
LMAO You sound like you need your silver polished baby
And thats slick rick to you sweet teets*
Doesn’t sound like the language of a good, clean, God-fearing, devout Christian.
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
Susan, sweetheart, I have been an attorney since you were in diapers (last week?.) You leftist patriots don’t recognize the truth when its logic runs circles around your prejudices.
By Dana
August 3, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
So, what was the topic again? Lets see who can vilify the other with the most esoteric blather?
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
Why would I be upset?
But sure, I’d love to see your cubicle, replete with NASCAR calendars of hotties and Dilbert cartoons that represent your attempt to strike back at the “man.”
That said, you just don’t fit the profile of the “man.” I’ve had bosses, and now am a boss of sorts. Nothing you’ve said rings true.
I’ve no doubt and have never questioned whether you work for a living, and are a good husband and father. I’m even thinking you may even work for such a company (which sounds likely).
If all is as you say (and I sincerely hope it is), good for you. But a company clearing 30%+ net and no overhead with no competition (and no one sniffing about) in a crowded field being run by someone who is hands off is just hard to believe. Most sane folk in such an admittedly precarious position would have either diversified (no pun intended) or sold to the highest bidder for mid-eight figures and moved on.
But that likely wouldn’t have occurred to someone with your thought process, which is transparent and disappointing.
But hey, at the end of the day, neither of our lives are affected by whether or not I believe you. To you, I’m just an opinion floating around in cyberspace, right?
By jbmlaw
August 3, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Getalife, you did not read instapundit - you would not hold that opinion. He is straight and fair. (Disclaimer - Glenn gave me one of my best grades in law school, in his admin law class, so I am prejudiced.)
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Christians have sex too Liberal. Come on now. Lets think a little before we post ok. I guess you cant watch BET and watch all that fat rump shaking and be God fearing Christian either then. If thats the case, uh-oh. Hell just filled up.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Realist,
But on one post you claimed to be a MARRIED and devout Christian and on the next you tried to expound on the length of your phallus to Susan and then you subsequently offered to “polish her silver” with it.
Does your wife know about this?
By lynn
August 3, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Susan, give it a rest…geez your gonna have a stroke.
By Dana
August 3, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
I’ve enjoyed reading the comments today, but can’t say as I have actually seen a suggestion related to Jim’s chosen topic. Chances are excellent that every one of us will hate whatever bill does get presented, but not one of us, (including me) has put forth an idea. I have, however, learned some really inventive insults. And I’m sure I’ll use them at some point.
I honestly didn’t think I would be likely to agree with much that Jim had to say, as I would regard myself as a rather left leaning centrist. But today I am finding myself agreeing with his last paragraph. I am aware of the dangers of our open border, while still being very grateful that my grandparents were accepted here as immigrants. How do we expect our politicians to come up with a decent bill if WE don’t have any ideas? Other than how to polish Susan’s silver, that is.
By Susan
August 3, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
@jbmlaw: What year did you graduate UT law school?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
rarringt, I think we are going to have to arrange that tour yet. I appreciate your insight into what I do. The way you paint it, (which isnt at all how it truly is, I am definatley not hands off), you are right, Id certainly be a target for acquistion but alas, as I said before, we are only doing about $14M rev. Not to mention, that number looks to go down soon as other distributors are breaking down the door to get this line. And I truly have no plan for growth or the replacment of that lost revenue. So with all that said, we arent a candidate for acquistion whatsover. Like I said, I was in the right place at the right time, thats all. I do very well, and as you probably know, this all started from me saying my wife and I are in the top 1% of wage earners. Well that isnt saying much becuase I beleive earning over $250k year would put you in that number.
Im really glad I got everyone riled up today. It was really fun and time consuming, though Im not inclined to do it often. It all turned un-civilized when several of you began your comments attemting to sound like a slave or either a redneck. Im sad that I fell into it and went along with it. Most of what I have said here today has been in jest, just trying to get a rise or act like what you assume me to be , a biggot, southern, racist redneck which I certainly am not.
Liberal, Your post at 3:08 was moving truly. You are correct sir. And in all truthfulness, i am trying to raise my son the right way, as you mentioned in your last sentence. You sound like a good man to me liberal.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Susan,
Good catch on the “up at 4:30” inconsistency.
Realist?
By Susan
August 3, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Hi Lynn and welcome to our blog.
This is how we have fun. I enjoy jousting with folks with whom I don’t agree. It’s invigorating, in an intellectual sort of way.
Have fun and enjoy the fray!
By James
August 3, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
Rarringt: Realist is too busy back peddling…pumping his brakes.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Good for you! Try to retake the high ground. It’ll take a while though, see as to how you’re starting from the sewer….
Off topic: For those of you with kids, don’t forget this week is the state’s tax holiday. No taxes on school stuff, including computers up to $1,500.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Im sorry, did I miss something? Im not following the inconsistancy here Nancy Drew. Help me out.
I built my company over the last four and a half years. We started with nothing and built relationships with vendors and customers and here we are today. I built my business getting up at 4:30am and working late hours. I am in a position today, thanks to my hard work, to know take it easy some and enjoy some of the rewards. What part of that is inconsistant and unclear? You guys are pitiful by making this be about trying to make a liar out of me. Im nothing special ok. Its not like Im saying Im the richest man in Atlanta here. I was simply saying my family worked hard, I went to college and then got out and worked hard, and I deserve and earned every damn thing I have period, end of story. What you freaks beleive or dont beleive really means nothing to me, less than nothing.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
Yes, it is biased but less hate than Powerline, lgf, free republic, Michelle, Ann, Rush, etc…
Liberal this, liberal that, blah, blah, blah. It is old and tiresome.
My point is to focus on the real problems instead of what a liberal thinks.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
UT - is that in the Ivy League? Actually, JBM seems like more the Woodrow Wilson or John Marshall grad to me… many of his theories and posts remind me of the great mind of Marshall graduate Neal Boortz, who I imagine is one of JBM’s fellow alums…
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
My goodness Realist…I would almost think you had just been arrested for DUI in Malibu :).
Well this subject has spiraled down…
To Jim,
In your Friday free for all how about mentioning the Kansas Board of Education changes…those damn libruls that took over will have us all eating bananas again. Anyway, the subject of evolution would be very entertaining on this blog.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
rarringt, Nobody is taking the high ground. You can shove that condescending tone up your high and mighty black a*s pal.
By lynn
August 3, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
Well as long as it’s safe…i’ll pop in every now & then :). Sure does seem like some blood pressure pills r needed here - if not, then all of you could make realist an even larger profit this quarter. By the way realist, Bard Medical makes the same thing you say noone else does.
By lynn
August 3, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
Oh that’s it. He’s warehouse supervisor for the distribution center.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
hey now Redneck…don’t knock John Marshall…they are actually accredited now…sorta…
Imagine..practicing law in Gawga and ‘Bama.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
Susan, I never thanked you for your kind comments the other day, so here it is.
And after fending off Larry and Andy’s many advances over the last few days, I must admit I am more intrigued by your suggestion of a drink. (I am slightly old-fashioned, still a little uncomfortable with agressive advances from homosexuals, but I digress.) Anyhow, I am glad to see you back this afternoon…
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
Now, now, don’t get upset. We didn’t hurt owr wittle feewings, did we? >:^P
I can deal with those who are being intellectually disingenous; at least they are creative in their positions.
It’s the folk who seem to revel in their dishonesty, as you do, that I most enjoy confronting issue with. Admittedly, it’s easy pickins, but gives me a chance to think about something other than tomorrow’s depos.
By Cave Dweller
August 3, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
@ Curious Observer: I have a big ol’, good-runnin’ 1979 Ford Ranger p-u, with a “W” bumper sticker. Sorry…no Sonny sticker, yet. However, my ex hubby wouldn’t appreciate me selling you HIS truck.
As for illegal immigration. They should be called “illegal ingrates”. They are ruining our neighborhoods, driving without drivers licenses, insurance and registration. They drive drunk, and think they don’t have to show up for court. They are costing us money in medical, welfare, education, the list goes on. A simply remedy? Withdraw ALL aid of any type from anyone that cannot prove that they are a legal citizen of the USA.
By getalife
August 3, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
Wow, CNN is reporting there are 30 million illegals and they have been lying to try to get support for amnesty.
Do they ever tell the truth about anything?
By Curious Observer
August 3, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
Shhhh, Lynn!
You’ll get him fired from his receptionist job if you “out” his employer.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
Actually Remingont Medical is our closest competitor. They are the 800lb gorilla (no offense rarringt). Bard is more GI and wound care products…
Im not angry rarringt. Enjoy going over your depos. It must not be easy after pulling an all day shift on a freakin newspaper blog. I dont envy your clients, but then again, how much does it take to be $299 a lick divorce hack.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
@Cave Dweller
They are ruining our neighborhoods, driving without drivers licenses, insurance and registration. They drive drunk, and think they don’t have to show up for court. They are costing us money in medical, welfare, education, the list goes on.
But they can sure brick a house in a hurry…
By Susan
August 3, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
R-AA—love the John Marshall law comment. UT-isn’t that Knoxville, TN?
And Realist is a mass of writhing contradictions. One moment he’s a Jesus n Mom n Apple Pie kinda guy, and the next thing you know, he’s making this kind of comment:
“You can shove that condescending tone up your high and mighty black a*s pal.”
Once you scrape off the temporary Jesus tattoo, you’re left with nothing more than an angry redneck.
And folks who come from the vast cotton and soy fortune background that Realist claims are self-confident and nonplussed by those who are less-educated and successful.
Gosh, with all that income and low overhead, Realist, why haven’t you joined a country club? I mean, Capital Grille and Fogo de Chao are really so nouveau riche, aren’t they? Why bother with the hoi polloi when you can rub shoulders at your club with other handsome, popular frat-boy types?
I smell a trailer in his formative years. Single wide.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
They are ruining our neighborhoods, driving without drivers licenses, insurance and registration. They drive drunk, and think they don’t have to show up for court. They are costing us money in medical, welfare, education, the list goes on.
Those filthy rednecks.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
…oooh, a racial remark from Realist! How surprising!
Come to my rescue, fellow compassionate conservatives!
Hee, hee, you’re in trouble now, Realist. Everybody’s gonna gang up and denounce you now….
Why’s it so quiet in here? Hello? Hellooo?
Point made (for about the fourth time today).
Case closed.
You’re now reduced to talking about my “black a**” Hence, you’re beaten.
Not in terms of beaten by a better argument. That’s too easy, and not at all satisfying.
You’re beaten because the veneer is off, and what’s been exposed is a scared little man who uses vitriol to hide the fact that he’s been victimized, disenfranchised by a system that really doesn’t give two hoots about him.
Despite your self-characterization about being charming, popular, and chummy with leaders of industry, you seem weak. and small. And for that, you have my pity.
After all, tomorrow morning, you’ll wake up, and you’ll still be…well, you. Too bad.
If’n that beez ok wit you, suh. >:^)
By Van
August 3, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
What was the topic as Dana recently said.
The debate over illegal immigration suffers from lack of political desire. Additionally, Mexico has stringent requirements for those wanting to emigrate.
1.Secure the borders, northern and southern. When the President said we do not have control of our borders, this is a great admission of failure, correct it first.
2.Establish a 2 year guest worker program. Applications only processed by embassies outside the US. No path to citizenship.
3.Make it a federal felony to possess fraudulent documents, i.e. drivers license, SSN cards, green cards and others used to secure work.
4.Prosecute under tax law, illegal workers using forged or stolen SSN’s
5.Set up detention centers in the southwest. If that Arizona Sherriff can house prisoners in tent cities, so can the federal government house illegal aliens picked up crossing the border.
6.Impose sanctions against cities that offer sanctuary to illegal aliens or refuse to enforce immigration laws.
These are reasonable steps and would help prevent further waves of illegal aliens or invaders, but the one that best fits is illegal colonizers.
By Keith
August 3, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
I get the joke by rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda. He’s talking about another group.
By Larry
August 3, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
Hey Redneck, still terrified of your inner homosexual half? Doesn’t the thought of getting your skull pounded by me make you want to go and wax your carrot? Susan: Go ahead and meet up with him at his trailer park. He seems to be an expert at the trashy lifestyle, you and him could hang out, shoot some ice and play the lottery, maybe produce some hideous inbred children since i’m assuming you and he are brother and sister!
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
You are a riot Susan. As for the country club thing, dont think Im not trying. My preference is near my home at the AAC. Its not easy without deep connections and I have none. Also, as I mentioned, Im only 32. There will be plenty of time for that once my son is older and I have more time to spend at a club.
As for the trailer, no, just a plain middle class two story home in a Birmingham suburb. Then off to college and yes, Kappa Alpha fraternity, want to hear more? I love to talk about myself. Im quite a success story really.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Well Susan, Jesus would definitely weep if he spent 10 seconds with the vicious hypocrites that populate Realist’s church. Let’s face it, what passes for Christianity in the south is just smarmy Social Darwinism and amorality. That a “me-firster” like Realist could blithely call himself a Christian is truly an abomination.
By Joe
August 3, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this
liberal bud, you’re a fat liar about the welfare comment: 38 % Black; 31 White; 17 Hispanic; 14 % other. Taken right off the welfae website at 4:28 est, get your facts straight.
By Watta Load
August 3, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Well Liberal…is it true? Are you fat?
By Susan
August 3, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Um, Larry, Rednecks-Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda and I are meeting for a drinks party at the Ritz Carlton.
Your rather colorful and vivid description of Rednecks isn’t anecdotal, is it? Sounds like a milieu in which you are most at ease.
Larry, a great sense of humor and a modicum of education will take you far in this great land. Skull pounding = jail time followed by prison sentence. Don’t you want more out of life?
And frankly, I could think of no one better suited to be my brother than Rednecks-Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda. I’ll claim him as an honorary sibling.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Joe, You will soon learn that Liberal and others in here arent concerned with facts. Only the lies and little stories they like to fabricate. Its a bunch of so called lawyers in here. Need I say more?
the first thing we do, we should kill all the lawyers- William Shakespeare
By getalife
August 3, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Methinks Realist is full of himself.
Bloggers beware.
Most people do not tell the truth when they give out personal information. It leaves you wide open for personal attacks.
I have been honest about myself but bloggers like Dusty and some at other blogs always bring it up.
Like I give a flying f*******.
By Dana
August 3, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Perhaps if we ignore the little man he will go away. He is only here for the attention he isn’t receiving elsewhere.
Van - I like some of that, but don’t see many options for legal immigration in there. Mexico isn’t the only country we need to deal with though they are the head of the illegal list. I DO like the temporary worker bit - however, I think some inclusions regarding reciprocity are in order. It isn’t likely that too many Americans will want to become citizens elsewhere, we do, after all, live in the land of opportunity, however, it irritates the h*ll out of me that Mexico won’t take an American convicted of a crime but screams when we don’t want a felonious Mexican. And for the record, I am only using Mexico as an example, and because that seems to be the biggest sore spot with everyone. I see quite a few immigrants, both legal and illigal, from India and Pakistan, but then I work in the tech world.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Actually, Liberal has made more than a few typos in here. It could be fat fingers….
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Larry, even if I was interested in homosexual sex, why would I pick a person like you to have it with - an oversized brainless filthy toothless slob? Although I bet with that mouth of yours you can “polish the silver” - sorry, I’m still not interested.
That’s why you ain’t getting any, bubba.
By Somebody told me to stop in
August 3, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
No thanks. There’s better places that this sewer of unreasonable discussion.
Crap.
By Dana
August 3, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
Pardon me while I go puke - THAT was a visual I could have lived without. I’m beginning to think neither of you even HAS any silver to polish!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
Susan, thank you for defending my honor - Larry has been after me for days now, I’ve told him nicely and not so nicely that I’m not interested, yet he persists. Born in the north, and having lived inside the perimeter virtually all my time here, I am unaccustomed to redneck social mores and the premium the males in that society place on same-sex sodomy. Not being a southerner, homosexual sodomy was not part of my family life.
Anyhow, I don’t want to bore you with my conundrum, and I do appreciate your intervention here. Thanks!
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
HAHAHA. Ol’ Joe and I go way back. I don’t know how many times I have to tell him that I’m not fat. But I guess I am in his fantasies.
Joe,
In regards to your numbers. From which website did you get those numbers?
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Just so I’m not accused of being a racist today, I just wanted to let you know that I’m black & white striped with a brown background AND a REDneck!!! And some days when my liver acts up, I turn a little yeller lookin’. Yep, that’s me…old PC UgottaB.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
Don’t forget about the fact that if you can’t make a successful argument against us, then we must be pinko, commie, atheist, ‘murica hating, flag burnin’, little red book readin’, hom’sexual, colored and Jewish, baby-killin’ and (worst of all) tax & spend l..l…libruls”
I agree. We should all be deported. Or put in concentration camps. Or gassed. After all, it makes sense if you’re Realist, the racist redneck republican (with the square jaw and fab-u-lous resume, according to him anyway).
By Realist
August 3, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
I love it. Everyone is still using my catch phrase polish the silver, which got me nothing but criticism when I said it. Its no wonder Im a marketing genius. Continue on followers.
By Susan
August 3, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
2:19pm, Realist sez:
“My family made its fortune in south alabama in the cotton and soy farming business. They worked harder and went through more than any people should have to. And I respect them for it and try to carry on thier legacy of hard work and pride. IF you have a problem with that, then thats too bad, becuase its your problem, not mine.”
However, a few hours later:
“As for the trailer, no, just a plain middle class two story home in a Birmingham suburb. Then off to college and yes, Kappa Alpha fraternity, want to hear more? I love to talk about myself. Im quite a success story really.”
How did we go from a soy n cotton fortune to a plain middle class home in Bham?
Hmm. Stay tuned for further contradictions.
And by the way, the next time I’m at the Athletic Club, I won’t be putting in a good word for you. Unless you are applying for a position as groundskeeper.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Ugotta, good on ya. Cut back on the liquor and the unprotected gay sex (hepatitis, you know) and you’ll lose that yellow.
We missed you today, buddy.
By Realist
August 3, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Rarringt, I leave for a while to got pick up my son from the pool and I come back and you are still talking about me and people are using my catch phrases. I love it. Mamma told me I was special. LMAO.
Goodnite folks.
“Ever negotiate with lawyers at a huge company? If they saw you drowning 100 feet from the shore, they’d through you a 51-foot rope and say they went more than halfway.” ~ Paul Somerson
By Scooter
August 3, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately immigrants must go through bureaucrats of the government complex if they want to come here legally. For that reason it will always be easier to bypass the system.
There certainly needs to be a consequence that makes the risk too high, but how severe would a consequence have to be for someone choose the government route? Sodomized with a splintered 4x4 or dealing with such a large bureaucracy are about the same in my opinion.
Honestly, the democrats want to put immigrants in the government handout lane to buy their votes and the republicrats want the cheap labor. That’s just the tip of the pickle.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
How goes it?
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Hey rednecks: How’s it hangin’? Yeah, you probably missed me like a good dose of the clap, right?
By Realist
August 3, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Susan, you stupid slut. It was my great grandparents and grandparents who worked the soy and cotton farms, and there was no fortune left by the time my hippie parents and thier siblings blew threw it. I never meant to say I was FROM money. Not at all. Sorry If I implied that.
See ya hag.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this
Susan, interesting observation. Birmingham is clearly not southern Alabama, although if Realist attended Alabama schools he probably doesn’t know that, a problem one frequently encounters when trying to have a reasoned discussion with a redneck. Indeed, as far as he knows, Birmingham might be on the Florida border.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You may or may not be from money, but you’re certainly not from class.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
rarringt: Hey Brother, how’s it going today? I got’s to know! Is you is or is you ain’t black? You said yesterday you were black and then today you said you were not black. Which is it? You know I’m confused! Hell, I stay consused! So is you is or is you ain’t? Inquirin’ minds wants to know!!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this
Oh boy. You made Realist mad Susan. Poor Mrs. Realist will probably get slapped around good tonight and it’s all your fault Susan. Oh well. She has him by the credit cards.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this
I’ve been told by black friends that I was black. One nice lady told me that the Lord shore messed up a good black man when he gave me white skin! Hell, I love everybody but A*******holes of all colors!
By Dana
August 3, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
If your crowning moment of achievement is our use of the rather cute term “polishing the silver” then darlin, you go right on ahead and feel proud. Go ahead and stand on your little footstool so you can feel tall at the same time!
o damn i cannot believe i just responded to drivel….
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
Joe,
Well Joe, my favorite chickenhawk, I looked at the TANF website and you are correct (imagine that). However, whites made up the largest percentage until the mid 1990s. Now it is 38 percent black and 31 percent white. 7 percentage points, oh my God.
Too bad that you didn’t get the entire point of my 3:08 post.
Realist,
You were a KA, huh? Isn’t that the fraternity where everyone dresses in Confederate uniforms and hold Nathan Bedford Forrest in such a high regard?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 3, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this
Now Ugotta, I’m in a great mood today and happy to see you here. All my praying seems to be working , many of the usual suspects have been quieter today and less obstreperous, and when they have posted, they don’t seem as stupid as usual.
Indeed, it seems that some of these rednecks are looking in the mirror for the source of their problems, which are the only ones we can do anything about anyway…
So - see if you can stay on my good side today.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
Your 5:07 post sounded like that politician from Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
“Is you is or is you aint my constituency?”
Racism in the South is funny. Blacks and whites down here have more in common then they think. Both blacks and whites talk the same and if you go far back enough, most share a great-grandfather or two.
By Van
August 3, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Dana,
My thought on worker permits is to insure they come to work without a path to citizenship. If they want citizenship they must apply like all others.
While other rules and regulations are laid out for legal immigration, this is solely for temp workers.
If you noticed, I did say secure all borders, north and south. An illegal is an illegal, and deserves nothing but a trip back or jail time.
One item I thought about was a RFID implanted under the skin. Lojack them illegals, if they come back again, bingo, jail time.
But the All Crazy Liberal Union, for those in mid-town ACLU, would sue, I am sure.
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
Well Joe, my favorite chickenhawk, I looked at the TANF website and you are correct (imagine that). However, whites made up the largest percentage until the mid 1990s. Now it is 38 percent black and 31 percent white. 7 percentage points, oh my God.
Not sure what point your trying to make. But these raw numbers are not the proper way to do comparisons. You need to use weighted averages. In other words, you need to take into account that blacks only make up 18% of the total population, etc.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
Mr. Rednecks: Damn, I didn’t know you had a good side but I learn all kinds of things on here. Right now I’m lookin up “obstreperous”. Duh-huh!!!
By Dana
August 3, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
You have a good point - and left leaning though I may be, the ACLU speaks only for themselves. I’ve gotta run, but today was oddly informative, and I rather hope we can continue the topic tomorrow. Perhaps all the vitriol will have burned off and more than you and I can suggest solutions!
Though I DID rather enjoy Susan’s repartee!
By Susan
August 3, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
Remember “Family Ties”? Michael J Fox played the Realist character.
Stupid and slut spelled correctly in the same sentence? Realist, I’m so proud that I have inspired you to become more proficient in your (mis)use of the English language.
Now Realist, WWJD?
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Liberal: Yes sir, and as soon as blacks & whites realize they do have so much in common and realize that it’s about GREEN with all the so-called “leaders” and NOT black & white! We’re all still being played against each other and a whole lot of people are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.
By have mercy
August 3, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
this blog is like bubble gum for the brain. after 30 minutes you’re ready to spit it out.
By Stewart
August 3, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
By Ugotta B. Kidding
Liberal: Yes sir, and as soon as blacks & whites realize they do have so much in common and realize that it’s about GREEN with all the so-called “leaders” and NOT black & white! We’re all still being played against each other and a whole lot of people are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.
You are dead on Ugotta. You just summed up the Democratic MO in 100 words or less.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
Again, that’s why we drink.
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Interesting how, in a room full of people who espouse the notions of merit and personal initiative, that I get so many nasty racial remarks.
Interesting also how the tone towards me changed once it became clear I was African-American. Ugotta is having some fun, but others aren’t.
Guess there isn’t room under the big tent, after all. We know that. So do latinos. And asians of all stripes. We also know we’ll collectively outnumber you by 2040.
I may or may not live to see that day, but revel in the fact that my children and grandchildren will inherit a world where, by force of numbers, the true potential of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Gettysburg Address is determined. So many of you invoke those documents, but you clearly don’t understand them. That’s a shame, and the tragedy of being educated in Realist’s town.
I look forward to the inevitability where being caucasian is no longer a guarator of entitlement (as Realist believes), and redneck racists are nothing more than a nasty footnote in history.
In that world, people will have to view each other as equals…or be treated as a second-class citizen.
But hey, that’s 34 years away. Today, you get to deal with me and others who will call you out on your bs arguments, and make sure you are exposed for what you are: bitter and ultimately pitiful.
Welcome to a Braver (and Browner) New World.
Hope that wun’t too uppity for you, boss….
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
rarringt: Thank you for knowing that I was teasing you a little. I enjoy my little jousts with you as well as the others on here. Hell it ain’t fun if you can’t poke a little fun here and there. You’re a good man, don’t let anyone get you down.
But to Susan: My favorite anti-Semitic…I don’t know for sure WWJD but I know what God’s gonna do…BARBECUE YOUR A*S!
I’d like to hang around longer but duty calls. I’m a bussssssssy man!!!
By time for the truth
August 3, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
Rednecks you noxious yankee jobbie … I see that you’re still slithering around in Mr Wooten’s cyber space with bugger all to say. Indeed you NEVER have anything substantive to say … you just post your imbecilic inflammatory drivel about southern white folks and scarper!!
Rarrington … I’ve been away on important interstate business - seeing about Redneck’s new one off job, and he’s been hired, so from Monday at midnight for three minutes he/it will be testing the state electric chair in Florida.
I only fleetingly skimmed your comments about big tents and what not. Not sure your evidence for that comment is very solid but not read all the stuff before.
By Susan
August 3, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
Ugotta:
May I recommend Dean and Deluca for a superior selection of bbq sauce?
I mean, if god’s gonna bbq, shouldn’t he use the very best? The big guy’s probably got an unlimited budget and one of those magic black Amex cards!!!
Have a great evening!
And remember: if the coals aren’t catching in a timely manner, squirting lighter fluid will BBQ u, Ugotta. And that would be a mess to clean up.
By Jim Wooten
August 3, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
Did I miss anything today?
By Markus
August 3, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
rarringt, what the hell are you talking about?
“I get so many nasty racial remarks…”
You act like this blog is 1960’s Mississippi based on how the “right” treats you. Please provide some specific quotes with timestamps on what you perceive as racially antagonizing here from Conservatives. I’d like to see them for myself.
By Markus
August 3, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
No Jim, you didn’t miss anything. Somehow this blog started out early on in racial tones (started by our usual suspect “Liberal Anti-American’s Al Qaeda”) and never looked back. It’s a shame the libs on this board have to divert topics to what they want to talk about. If this were my blog, I’d warn them once and IP ban them next.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
Yes, JIM, we learned that Rednecks has a good side. I think it’s his hidden conservative side!
By rarringt
August 3, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
Btw Realist,
You said you live in ATL earlier, and now you’re living in Birmingham. Must be a heckuva commute to your “cash machine” in Gwinnett.
Liar. Coward. Racist.
That said, everyone have a good night. Realist, try not to read “The Heroic Adventures of Nathan Bedford Forrest” to the kiddies.
By Liberal
August 3, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
Markus,
You have to read through the posts today…mainly from Realist.
1960s Mississippi, no. But it was a little more like the George Wallace presidential campaign of the late 60s/early 70s when slurs weren’t used, but rather stereotypes and code words.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 3, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this
Yes, JIM, we learned that Rednecks has a good side. I think it’s his hidden conservative side!
By Jim Wooten
August 3, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this
Actually, a number of posters today were dancing on the edge with racial/ethnic/sexual banter. If it goes so far that a reasonable person would genuinely be offended or would be uncomfortable joining in, it’s not useful to substantive debate. Entertainment’s good and necessary. A daylong discussion of a serious topic devoid of any humor is a bit too dreary even for a policy wonk. But if people leave the day hurt or jaundiced by the discussion, nobody wins.
By Larry
August 4, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this
Susan: work on that great sense of humor and modicum of education. Redneck: I still hear CHICKENS from across the pond!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 4, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
Larry, regarding education, you might want to just sit back and leave things to your betters.
Now run along to your grabbing and groping, little fella.