Thinking Right

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

The tin hats on the left will accuse Jim of following GOP talking points today; Dr. Sowell’s new essay today explores a closely-related topic, cultural disconnect between the public and the military.

Jim uses a key word, “disproportionate.” The fact is that any purported commander in chief who uses anything less (than everything in his arsenal) is doing a disservice. We should not enter wars lightly or frivolously, and we should never fight them that way; anything less shows disrespect for our military. Fight to overwhelm, not merely to beat them back.

Iraq was and is the right place and time for a war to establish a beach-head for freedom, in a culture that has not known it in the past century. Deposing a few tin-horn dictators is one of the highest goods we can do as a world-power; we could do it easier with our nukes. As our purpose is not to conquer or take territory, we do not need to send in troops to occupy. All we have to do is destroy evil wherever it pops up; like shampooing, lather, rinse, repeat as necessary.

I know it sounds callous, but I think it is Reaganesque. If you declare your intention on the front end, the rest of the world may think you’re crazy enough to do it, and will bend to your demand.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

I agree on the point that we (the U.S.) should not handcuff Israel by demanding a cease fire. Israel needs to be able to defend itself. But as far as the U.S.’s role in all of this, you haven’t made any suggestions as to what we do. Should we attack Syria, or Iran? Where do we go after that? You see we’re in an awful position. We’re stuck in Iraq, with a majority that is sympathetic to Hezbollah and Iran, with a minority that tries to kill our soldiers on a daily basis. Any attack on Iran runs the risk of an all out assault on our soldiers in Iraq. And you better believe that if we attack Iran, any offensive moves that the Taliban/al-Queda are planning would surely be accelerated knowing our ability to respond with reinforcements would be severely hampered. Then there is North Korea, that could see an opportunity if the U.S. becomes preoccupied. And so far it is obvious that our dept of defense is not capable of organizing dual operations in Iraq and Afghanistan without serious flaws and mistakes, much less a global conflict with multiple foes that run the complete spectrum of military capability. My point is any aggressive moves we make could lead to a global conflict that we are not capable of successfully executing. So my question to you Jim, is what should we do, since your conservative mind is obviously more advanced than my “liberal” mind? WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO WE DO? I repeat my question in the hopes that you answer it, instead of just making nice with the conservative bloggers here.

By Mid-South Philosopher

August 1, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

As much as I detest war and as much as I would like it to be some other way, you have defined the reality of the moment in the Middle East in your column today about as well as anyone has defined during this latest tragedy. Preemption in the face of attack is no vice. Compassion in the face of annihilation is no virtue.

By Van

August 1, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

Since Hezbollah seems to have no problem violating many of the international laws of war, using civilians as human shields, I will not hold my breath for the UN to condemn them, I also do not think that the EU will say a thing to upset Hezbollah, Syria or Iran. Speaking of Iran, France now says that Iran is a stabilizing force in the region.

The whole world is upside down. The victim is now the aggressor, the outlaws are now the good guys - where will it end?

By The Moderate Voice

August 1, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

concerned voice, here is a suggestion as to what we should do. Let the Israeli-Lebanon conflict run its course. Our goal should be to sway Syria. Syria is a secular Sunni government, aligned with two Shi’a dominated groups(Iran and Hezbollah). I think we should go to Syria and say look here is what we need from you and here is what we are willing to offer. Syria doesn’t want to get caught up in the expanding conflict with Iran and the West. I really do think they are the weak link in that alignment. Just my opinion though. Also I don’t think we are going to attack Iran, we are not in a position to do so. You are correct in your assessment of what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is going to take some time to get to a feasible point in both countries to where we can withdraw from both places.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

I don’t want my government to do anything Reaganesque? Reagan was the President after all that sold arms to Iran. Oh wait, wasn’t Iran a mortal enemy of the U.S. that had only a few years ago kidnapped Americans at the Tehran embassy, that has now become the #1 thorn in our sides?

Oh and since your premise is that Reagan was tough (and you imply that Democrats are not) I must point out that Reagan didn’t use nuclear weapons on anyone. Harry Truman is the only guy with that on his resume, a Democrat.

By The Moderate Voice

August 1, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

I am glad to see to we have a Democrat on record celebrating the use of nuclear weapons. How funny. Granted Truman was a tough President. If the Dems had more men like him and Kennedy they would be a lot more successful in presidential elections. Don’t forget that Reagan helped to bring down Communism also concerned citizen.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

“The United States does not enter any dispute with moral advantage or intent presumed to be noble.”

Aren’t we in Iraq to spread western style democracy and create a new Middle East? Didn’t I hear that once the rest of the Arab nations saw a freely elected representative government take shape in Iraq that their citizens would clamor to be the next Iraq?

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Moderate voice,

The problem with talking to Syria is that our government does not have a direct dialogue with that government (or Iran or North Korea). I guess they think that talking to a government means we condone their behavior. I don’t understand this logic. Just because we talk to them doesn’t mean we’re giving up our positions at all.

By unbeliever

August 1, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

You are correct: the citizens of the world and many citizens of this country do not trust this administration to do the right thing. We have no reason to trust them. You may believe they did not lie about Iraq, you may believe they did not lie about WMD, you may believe they do not lie about pandering to the religious far right or about abusing the civil rights of Americans and the legal rights of citizens of other countries. You may believe all that. Some US citizens are more Missouri-like in their trust. Show me. Show us. Stop pretending any human being is infallible and beyond reproach. Prove it.

I remember conservatives felt the same way about Clinton. They did not trust him to do the right thing. Why would any of you expect Bush to be treated any differently? Perhaps because he is your man? If so, there goes any hope of uniting this country. Being “your man” does not make him infallible nor does it make him right. Independent external review of policies in places like GITMO or transparency in policy towards civil rights would be a step in the right direction.

All I will hear today or tomorrow or ever from anyone on this blog or from this administration is “national security” and no proof that the US isn’t torturing prisoners, violating the civil rights of US citizens, holding foreign citizens without concern for international law or US law.

Prove it. Show us how noble you all are. I dare you. I dare BUSHCO. I’m waiting. Show us. I won’t hold my breath.

By John

August 1, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Please, don’t confuse Harry Truman with the democrats of today.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Reagan didn’t bring down communism, Afghanistan freedom fighters broke Russia’s back. But it still exists elsewhere. Cuba, China, Vietnam, North Korea and to some extent Venezuela. Hugo Chavez is practically gathering the communist governments together in some sort of alliance. He’s been flying all over meeting with these governments, plus Belrus (a communist-like govt) and Russia (which has begun turning back some of the democratic reforms in recent years). They just signed an agreement to buy arms and airplanes from Russia, for the specifc stated purpose of “defending against American imperialism.”

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

I guess I also shouldn’t confuse Richard Nixon with the Republicans of today. Lying, deception, spying and botching a war are things of the past, right?

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

August 1, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Hezbollah forced Israel to bomb a village full of civilians?

Pretty funny Jim - or pretty redneck.

I see a trailer park in rural Georgia on a Saturday night - a shiftless vicious drunk with blood on his wifebeater handcuffed by the sherriff, his wife and kids beat to death - “she made me do it”.

When will you cons stop with the victimology?

By mike

August 1, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Great opinion Wooten! The left in this country and the world would rather stick their heads in the sand than to take a leadership role to protect the US and in fact the entire world from these despots like Chavez, Castro, Morales, Kim, Assad, the Chinese, the Iranian maniacs, the Vietnamese and others! The US along with a “free” Russia should use all available power and weapons to depose these idiots for the good of the World! All the leftist liberal socialist professors and teachers should be required to submit to testing to evaluate whether they support the Judeo-Christian conservative anti socialist values of our country’s founders and the vast majority of US citizens! If they do not, they should be banished from teaching our young people!

By Captain Freedom

August 1, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Alas and sadly, Jim writes: “The United States does not enter any dispute with moral advantage or intent presumed to be noble.”

This anti-American comment is exactly why I have moved on to more orthodox pastures. Jim, why do you hate America? Our moral advantage and noble intent is well-known and widely accepted as a truism.

Lamentably, Jim also writes: “some Americans, and a sizable chunk of the left, now see themselves as arbiters of international disputes.”

Jim, how dare you lump the noble Dick Cheney in with a cadre of unbathed hippies. The leftists are isolationist and namby-pamby, not noble interveners in the name of moral authority and noble intent. Of course we must intervene in the international realm, it is our God-ordained duty as conservatives under the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny.

Jim, you shame the true conservatives here. You pretend to support the cause, but betray your panty-waist com-symp tendencies. I think, sir, some re-education is in order.

With Christian Love, Captain Freedom

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Jim. that was a great piece on the current situation in Lebanon and Israel. It is good to read such clear thinking and one that does not act like our government is the base of all evil.

Our government must allow Israel to make military decisions for themselves. They were attacked. We didn’t ask for the world’s opinion for our decisions after 9/11. The President and congress make our decisions, not the world. Israel has that right also.

As to the deaths of women and children used as targets for propaganda, it shatters the heart and mind. Every Muslim cleric in the world should be sscreaming about this but all we hear is support of Hezbollah, the instigators.

Please urge your journalistic partners to show more support for our own government. You seem to be a voice in the wilderness of liberal newsprint. Like it or not, there should be whole hearted support of America and its allies in this fight against butchery.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

August 1, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Always great to hear what people that barely graduated high school in Georgia weigh in on the subject of higher education. Maybe I’ll ask my cleaning lady to perform heart surgery on me.

By Political Foreskin

August 1, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

I wonder about the gerrymandering Lebanon did to give Hezbollah those twenty-something seats, making them part of the sovereign state of Lebanon. They probably chose all the districts that were in range of Israeli tank shells. Can you hear the Lebanese delegates nominating Hezbollah? “We, from the stupification brought on by prayer and ceremony, the great-satan-hatin’, but we love the caliphatin’ Twenty-Something Hezbos get our IEDs!!”

We are inviting the legislature of another country to vote against themselves. When you blame Lebanon you encrypt their underwriting.

It’s already a legal, and underwriting war, if you say that Hezbollans are not Lebanese, and dont respect their democratically elected congress, then you are declaring war on LEBANON’s constitution which is enabled by it’s people, who democratically elected themselves, you fools…. which gives Syria no option but to mobilize, and then it’s over.

Your thinking about 20-something Hezbos is all wet. Your thinking has led you to conclude that it’s okay to fire on Lebanon, but not to fire on Israel. It’s a war. Both countries are with God. They both have an equal right to ransack, plunder, and pillage, (hell if you couldn’t steal all the women and rape the horses, nobody would bother. Come on).

If this is a tactical WMD standoff, then it caught Homeland Security, FEMA, and W off gaurd. Did you hear the administrations nod to Syria’s press release? The White House is scrambling. Bush’s speeches are lipsynched.

Order to Hezbollah and Israel: Stand down now, you are acting out a zeitgeist command that is only implied in your own mind. You have been the victim of a zeitgeist pattern that has psychically sent you into a reactive trance, that will necessarily cause you to destroy yourself. A GOD is always the last straw, you will always kill to preserve your god, and that lives in all of us. It’s a human trait. Dont feel bad.

God has an evolved flaw, that uses the ideology itself as a eonic undulation that transfixed the Hezbos and the Jews. (Damn it)

We should have voted for Ralph Reed.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

This piece is intellectally dishonest which seems normal for Jim.

Once again, it is not just the liberal mind Jim.

By Anthony

August 1, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

Living in the past, fond memories of the radical 60’s. I see some remnants of that era on your site today Jim.

I always saw the 60’s as the beginning of the end for America, but I’m hoping not.

Liberals need to grow up and face the realities of today’s world. There are evil leaders seeking power through socialism which leads to communism and dictators. That’s how Hezbollah and Hammas gain support from the people for their atrocities.

Beware of the liberal left wing Democrats. They’re goals are the same.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

OMG, I actually agree with crusty Dusty:

Every Muslim cleric in the world should be sscreaming about this

Well, sort of .

All clerics, ministers, preachers, etc… should be promoting peace.

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Rednecks,

You should be ignored but tell me: When did Israel forced Hezbollah to invade their country, kill and capture their soldiers and then “rocket” their cities?

I picture Reidsville, with you and Captain Freedom, shouting through the bars “I didn’t do it. The officer was standing in front of my gun.” It was his fault.

When will you cons stop with the victimology?

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Poor Concerned Citizen, you still don’t get it. “Reaganesque” is probably the most favorable adjective any politician, either party, can receive. And it goes back to the Gipper’s joke, “I have today signed legislation that outlaws the USSR forever…” The world, including the Soviets, believed Reagan when he said Star Wars would work; the socialist world folded like a house of cards.

I realize you, Concerned Citizen, like all of our concerned Leftist Patriots, believe in the inherent good and efficacy of multilateral negotiations and bloated bureaucracies of non-aligned multi-national peace-oriented government-chartered organizations. Similarly, I believe in the Easter Bunny. My foolish unintellectual belief produces a candy bar at the end of the day; yours has accomplished nothing, ever.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

What happened to the concept of using war as a last resort?

Where is the dipolomacy?

How in the world can you force a democracy on others, when your own is drifting away?

With our current administration, do you really want them to tell other countries what to do?

By Joe

August 1, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Jim, Would it be possible for you, just once, to write a column that just addresses the issues and your opinion, without putting words in the mouths of people who disagree with you? Not everyone who disagrees with you and the GOP is a left wing liberal crazy person. You no more know the liberal mind than the conservative. By putting all disagreements in terms of “liberal v. Republican”, you do us all a disservice. The current administration is not conservative. Its only goal to keep the Republicans in power. A true conservative would be screaming about the lack of fiscal discipline in this administration, among other futile policies. The flag burning amendment, the linking of an increase of the minimum wage to the estate tax, the anti-gay marriage amendment, all of these are political moves designed only to keep the GOP in power. To that extent, Jim is only pushing the party talking points. Please, Jim, just once, a column that does not take pejorative potshots at what you perceive to be the liberal position. There are more than two viewpoints to these issues.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

We need a change in philosophy in our government. Not a change in political party, mind you, a change in how America engages the world. For decades our governments have underestimated the consequences of our actions. We didn’t think thru the consequences of arming a brutal dictator (Saddam) and that he might eventually become a liability. We didn’t think how arming and training Arab Islamic militants to fight the Russians in Afghanistan would come back to bite us later on. Clinton’s administration didn’t forsee that bin Laden’s group would ever reach U.S. soil. The George W. Bush Iraq debacle speaks for itself. We need leaders that think about how our actions will play out, instead of leaders that are only reactionary.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

I guess it is a way for Jim to get attention like Ann and Rush with the liberal garbage.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Killing innocent people in the name of Allah is abhorrent and absolutely impossible for westerners to understand. I wonder sometimes if it is equally abhorrent and impossible for Muslims to understand how westerners allow their pubescent daughters to roam the malls wearing nothing but glorified underwear. Particularly that which draws attention to their chests and rear ends with inscriptions like “hottie” emblazend on them. I am not defending the Muslims but maybe there is sort of a “clean up your own house” mentality going on that makes it hard for them to embrace western ideology.

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

getalife, surely you aren’t suggesting “diplomacy” with terrorists??? The United States DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. Israel has made the same statement publicly. Unfortunately there is just no option for diplomacy when you’re dealing with terrorists. War should be a last resort - I agree with you there. But when you’re dealing with terrorists, that pretty much puts you in the “last resort mode” right up front.

I don’t understand why people continue to blame Israel for bombing that city earlier. Didn’t anyone else see these “poor innocent civilians” on the news chanting “Hezbollah! Hezbollah! Hezbollah!” when Israeli civilians were killed???? WOMEN AND CHILDREN, IN THE STREETS, CHANTING FOR HEZBOLLAH when innocent Israeli citizens were dying?? Hello??? Buehler????

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Deegee, AMEN!!! We don’t agree often, so close your eyes and picture the big ole smile and a hearty “Cheers” from me to you today girlfriend! Our kids really do need to put some clothes on! You have put your finger right on a real problem with our society today.

However, even while cleaning up our own house, we still need to be aware and concious of what’s going on elsewhere. Yes, over time the moral decay of our society will get worse, and cause even more problems for us here in our own land, but right now the terrorists pose a more eminent threat, so we still have to deal with them, and deal with them severely, regardless of what’s going on over here.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Barbara,

No silly, Lebanon.

What did you want those people to chant Israel?

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

The wilful PIG ignorance of the left continues. Their execrable posts (so far) utterly ignore the point that it was Hizbollocks who contrived the wonderfully photogenic (a truly sick mohammedan fascist attitude)- lets mercilessly hammer the Israelis with this huge propaganda opportunity of deaths of kids we Hizbollocks directly caused a few days ago.

Hizbollocks deliberately hide behind civilians for this kind of opportunity. Arabs have been doing this kind of sick PR for decades. The IDF told the folks over and over to leave. Israel bound missiles were being fired from that immediate vicinity. A village packed with civilians. Thus the knuckle dragging intellectually dishonest left p**s and moan about a conflict they clearly misunderstand from A -Z.

But lemming like as ever gleefully they sneer at Israel for actually defending its right to exist and its people to live without arab terorism etc. For decades Hizbollocks has sullenly and murderously avowed to destroy Israel and at the very least undermine this sovereign nation in any way it can with terrorism and violence. Too late - eh, when the leftists and arab jew haters have neutered Israel and prevented the Israelis from self defence. Too late when the mohammedans take advantage of yet more serial lefty appeasing and deem it a signal that Israel can be destroyed because the leftist Bush hating press wont do much about it except bleat!!

HOW MANY MISSILES SHOULD HIZBOLLOCKS BE ALLOWED IN LEBANON? - COME ON LEFTIES ANSWERS THAT QUESTION!! IF YOU SAY NONE - STF UP AND LET THE IDF DO THEIR JOB!!

Barely a word now is said in anger by the lefty/arab/euro scum about Israeli casualties. Little or nothing about the craven uselessness of 30 years of UNIFIL and its latest massive failure to spot/flag 13,000 + illegal missiles smuggled in for the Hizbollocks terrorists to terrorize Israel with - in direct contravention of yet another worthless UN resolution.

But the vile lefty game of moral equivalence stalks the pinko press like a demented flabby alBore screeching about his ludicrous global warming lies and distortions. Anything that suits their political agenda is cool and politically kosher. Anything else - like awkward FACTS are shovelled away and twisted/distorted or shamefully ignored. Just like in 1930’s Europe when Churchill’s virtual lone voice was deliberately ignored by cowardly appeasing wankers.

Bush and Israel and to a lesser extent Blair are the 1930’s Churchill of our times. Eventually one hopes - one cannot assume anything faced with such serial appeasers- the leftist vermin who predictably do nothing of the face of evil but screech like imbecilic parrots ITS BUSH”S FAULT - YET AGAIN … might finally get it.

That mohammedan fascism is actively seeking to eviscerate their freedoms and their lives too. That the terrorist anti-kafir bombs and liberal media driven multi culti poison also impacts pinkos and is already slowly and corrosively affecting several non-mohammedan western countries - not just those with the vision and spine to stand up to them now!

And then, when it suddenly happens that these gutless yellow bellied Bush hating - or whichever GOP president is running things - lefties do “get it” - like a flock of self absorbed crystal meth abusing turkeys they will noisily gobble and gobble - demanding the USMC and US Army protect them whilst the treasonous Cindy commie loving Sheehan offers a Blewinsky to Castro so she/it can move her America hating rabble to Havana.

One utterly dishonest prole even invokes the late president Nixon.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

So in other words, our government should bluff our enemies into submission? I guess you just ignored all the information about the communism that still exists. Reagan didn’t destroy communism. That is the single biggest myth in the Republican playbook. And you never even acknowledged my comment about the selling of arms to Iran by Reagan’s administration. That blindspot is also a huge part of the Republican playbook. A guy gets a “b-job” in the oval office and the whole GOP world unites to fight immorality. But a president ok’s the sale of arms to a country that just held Americans hostage in Tehran and another president sends our country to war with false intelligence and all of a sudden the GOP world throws up their palms and says “I chose to ignore that.” Any group of people who think these things are okay have no ground to stand on from which to preach at me about protecting America’s national security.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Yes, the BJ was bad.

Everything Bush has destroyed is good.

Hipocrisy has no limits to these wingnut moonbats.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

August 1, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Dusty, I don’t know why I bother to argue logic and morality with someone who has neither, but let’s try an example.

There is a meth dealer in your trailer park (actually, there are probably many, but for this example pretend there is just one). You know it, you buy from him (of course), you don’t tell the cops, but that is the extent of your relationship. The meth dealer decides to put some meth in a kid’s Cocola just for grins and the kid dies. The kid’s father goes on a rampage, kills everyone in the trailer park, including you and your family. In your limited mind, is this OK?

By Rightie Fine

August 1, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

It’s a leftist plot to turn us all into SOCIALSISTS! Whatever problem you’re talking about is the sole fault of LEFTIE SOCIALISTS who opened their mouths to speak instead of to drink arsenic kool aid like they all would if they were good God-fearing, gun-totin’ Americans! Die, socialists, die! It’s your fault nobody loves me! Boo hoo hoo!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Rednecks — fess up now bubbakins - YOU are the meth dealer in YOUR trailer park. Finally the guilt is getting to you. Turn yourself in - again!!

And stop this dissasociative identity disorder bollocks. YOU are deeply ashamed of being a socially inadequate soap hating redneck and thus you endlessly project this utter shiiite on here day after day after day.

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Exactly what has Bush destroyed? Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and Iraq is worse than it was before, it now has a government and majority that is sympathetic to Iran and Hezbollah (you know the group that attacked Israel and was the original subject above). The point is we should support Israel in their defense of their country. But we’ve goofed our own ability to help these situations because of Iraq, and we’ve strengthened Iran in the process. And all the while communism is making a comeback, but no one is paying attention because the Bush administration and Bush apologists like jbmlaw are so one track minded. HELLO!!! But don’t listen to me, I’m weak and afraid, and a pinko I guess (even though I’m the one pointing out that the communist governments are being courted by Hugo Chavez).

By Political Foreskin

August 1, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

The question is no longer tactical geopolitics. It now resides in the global war on terror, just as Bush assumed it did on 911, and in each country’s democratically elected governments and their allies, who are all lining up for a war that nobody wanted and nobody expected.’

Lebanon is a hybrid country. It was only by sharing their country with all who would be citizens, that they had any peace. Democracy. Our way.

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Rednecks,

You would make us all happy if you did not argue or mention your great mental and ethical abilities at all.

But go at it. I will be gone most of the day so you may astound other bloggers with your great trailer park logic. You probably can’t get anybody else to listen.

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

TFTT, no, he actually wants to be a redneck soooooo bad that he uses it as part of his self-dubbed title. Shame he’ll never be one. After all, we rednecks have our standards and he’ll just never be one of us, no matter how hard he keeps trying. Immitation is the greatest form of flattery, and since he’s adopted the redneck name, we know how desperately he wants to be one…… That’s okay. Al Qaeda will let him in. His bath schedule and hateful attitude are more in line with their standards anyway.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

concerned citizen,

Exactly what has Bush destroyed?

Lets see, there are so many. Off the top of my head, I would say he destroyed Iraq, diplomacy, world opinion, military, debt, ethics, morals, trust, and direction.

By @@

August 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

In the interest of time, and because I couldn’t have said it better myself I’ll leave this:

Without a bit of overstatement, Israeli U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman on Thursday called Annan’s charge of what amounts to premeditated murder of unarmed men “very unfortunate, premature, irresponsible, hasty and appalling,” adding that it was also “totally false, ludicrous, preposterous and totally unacceptable.”

I like this Gillerman fella. His clear and concise thinking coupled with concern for the Lebanese people, whom he admires is, wonderfully balanced with John Bolton’s hard hitting approach to Hezbollah and U.N. complicity in the present conflict.

Gillerman made O’Reilly look a little rough around the edges last night, but at the same time was able to chuckle at O’Reilly’s no nonsense approach.

Did I mention how much I like Gillerman? Well yes I did…..

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Liberal foreskin’s patronising ignorance is as ever hugely amusing. lebanon did NOT “share their country” with anyone. The Syrians invaded it decades ago and completely controlled it - using various PLO factions and Hizbollocks terrorists plus their own vicious secret police to control things. Syrian intelligence is still pulling strings after they - KICKING AND SCREAMING after murdering more Lebanese politicians - supposedly left Lebanon to its own devices.

There is still NO syrian embassy in Beirut or Lebanese embassy in Damascus.

The dishonest foreskin seemingly forgets the decades of systematic PLO terrorism in Lebanon, the violent Maronite self defence of their community, the shiite thugs who still take $100 million plus a year from Iran plus all the weapons they can handle and of course the long bitter civil war started by mohammedans. The IDF only went into Lebanon in 1982 after years and years of PLO outrages and abject Lebanese failure to stop this. Hizbollocks essentially replaced the PLO thugs as the violent bully in Lebanon with the obvious (current) consequences.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Barbara … rednecks dreams of being bin-ladens #1 toy boy … hence the al qaida id - he is hoping that an al quaida recruiter spots him on here and offers him his dream job in a dank dark afghani cave, blowing bubbles for bin laden in his portable tin bath and ensuring the goats are lined up in order of seniority.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

What are we waiting for?

By Larry

August 1, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw: (“Fight to overwhelm, not merely to beat them back”) THANK YOU! In my wrestling days one of my mottos was “I’m not here to win the match - I’m here to BEAT the man!” If these anal orifices use children as human shields THEY are the ones killing them. Redneck: sorry to hear your underarm deodorant deficiency has cost you all your friends C’mon down!

By concerned citizen

August 1, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

As weird as this sounds, time for truth is right about Lebanon. They are about as much a democracy as George Bush is a genius. If Lebanon were a democracy that just wanted to live in peace, they would have created a military force capable of controlling the sovereign territory of Lebanon, and put down the Hezbollah militia (either thru a negoitated agreement or by force, neither happened). The Syrians have run the government for years, and when a Lebanese man gained what seemed to be enough power/legitimacy, Hariri, they had him assassinated. Israel should be concerned with Lebanon and they have the right to defend themselves. But they’d have an easier time if their #1 ally hadn’t been f’n around in Iraq for 4 years.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Larry,

Pro wrestling?

By Greg

August 1, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Jim, and the like minded:

Your blind spot is your failure to acknowledge that we can not win this war with the jihadists by the might only of our military(Or Israel’s for that matter). They are taking a page out of Sun Tzu’s strategy of; when comfronted with a superior enemy, always define the battle and the place of battle with the enemy to your advantage. You have to give the devil his due, this is a brilliant strategy(using the most vulnerable as human shields), that like it or not will be influenced by world opinion(including this country’s anti-war left). What is needed is a military and diplomatic strategy that only the best minds of all aspects of our political spectrum(left,right,independent)can produce. Jim, I know you’ve tasked to be the loyal defender of the GOP, and to increase newspaper sales by any means necessary, but given the threat that you clearly see and acknowledge from the jihadists, you have got to resist your impulse to swat liberals at every turn(I admit it is sometimes entertaining).
We need leaders like the GOP’s Lincoln, that are not intimidated by the best minds from all political spectrums to meditate and come up with an effective military and diplomatic response to the jihadists, that is not so reactive as to play into the hands of our enemies, so that we do not lose the war of public opinion nationally and to a lesser degree public opinion internationally. For arguments sake, even if it was possible for Israel to kill every member of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon(which I don’t believe possible), like it or not the civilian deaths have created literally tens of thousands(maybe millions) of Hezbollah sympathizers all over the Muslim world. Our policy has to minimize creating 10 potential jihadists for everyone we kill. Jim, one thing you imply is dead on, everyone is going to have to be asked to contribute and sacrifice for this war effort, and until both the left and right help people unite behind these realities the cute, witty, dressing down of all things liberal by some ultra partisan GOP defenders, and the smug, arrogant tone of the many defenders of left-than-central political thoughts, will be viewed in the same harsh light that Rome’s leadership was judged, in that we “fiddled” while Rome burned. Our future is in the hands of those that are able to rally and unite us, both liberal and conservative. God help us…

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Larry … may the fleas of a thousand camels infest Redneck’s armpits … DAMN TOO LATE!!

concerned … the “truth” is never weird mate. Too many people are unaware of the actual history of Assad’s Lebanon. Nice to see we agree on at least that.

Bush is not be a genuis, I will unreservedly concede this. That analogy is clearly a ‘stretch’ as we Americans say, but his foreign policy is undeniably predicated on the right/correct approach to the mohammedan middle east. Try and encourage reform - by various means, including one major enforced regime change. Although I will concede the push for democratic reform has been half hearted at times . Unfortunately the resistance to meaningful localised/regional reform is being rather predictably and violently thwarted by a growing murderous rejectionist front which is actually quite unrepresentative of what most arabs would ideally like. Thus millions of ordinary arabs are effectively being held captive by their mostly deeply repugnant regimes who dont want mohammedan fascism but dont want any real reform either.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

By Harold

July 26, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

The way to save America is to be friendly with Cuba. That way the Cubans can go back to Cuba and the Israelis can go back to Miami and the Arabs can go back to Israel. Everybody’s happy. Problem solved.

Harold is a prophet and a visionary.

By Van

August 1, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

When will the people wake up, it is not, or ever was about the land.

Lebanon use to be a thriving country, until the radical islamist came in when Syria invaded.

Lebanon and Israel use to have a peaceful co-existance, until the radical islamist took control, imagine having a terrorist organization as part of the government - wait, the PLO had done that also with the same results.

Arafat did not want peace or a Palestinian state, Syria does not want peace, Iran does not want peace, the terrorist in Iraq do not want peace.

All they want is to remove, covert or kill all the non-muslims and destroy Israel. That is the whole turmoil in the md-east.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Let’s see, what do ordinary arabs really want for Ramadan? Could it be protection by their government from people that will kill you because you do not go to their mosque?

By getalife

August 1, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

The understatement of the year is awarded to “truth” of this brilliant statement:

Bush is not be a genuis

Congratulations.

I wish Castro would die already so I can buy some decent cigars.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

only uneducated simpletons believe Harold is a prophet and visionary.

By Van

August 1, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

deegee,

Harold is an idiot.

Cuba has free trade with the EU and Canada, and they are still dirt poor, except Castro and his family and friends.

The arabs can go back to Israel, but can the displaced jews go back to their homes in the other arab and persian countries. They were kicked out of the other middle east countries in 1948 when Israel declared itself a country.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Exactly, the last decent cigar I bought was in Toronto.

By Van

August 1, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

deegee ,

Let’s see, what do ordinary arabs really want for Ramadan?

ans) The elimination of Israel.

By Larry

August 1, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Get a life: small time local wrestling, like in the good old carnival tent days of Freddie Blassie and Gorgeous George, before Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon and their ilk turned it into TV special effects and soap opera drama. (I don’t ever watch that crap) but man, we had a ball busting skulls! I still have a special planned for the london pencil-neck geek if he isn’t too afraid. Fat chance he’ll ever show up for the hammering!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Now this is HILARIOUS ….

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Looks like the gigolo Kerry is where he needs to be (to fail dismally) in Iowa.

Would the crowd have been even smaller if he’d had that self absorbed nutty wife with him? - hard to find anyone THERE who cares about that I guess!!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060729/capt.8f1f5b73591842438749ffa5c2c596ec.kerryiowaiacn106.jpg?x=380&y=227&sig=.Rx4jNKa3DsI1fRIVfkqaQ—

By deegee

August 1, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Gotta disagree with you, Van. For ordinary arab citizens I would wager that self-preservation trumps ideology. For Islamic extremists I would bet the other way.

By R@

August 1, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Off the subject a bit …. but has anyone else noticed a dramatic drop in email spam since the start of the latest mid-east conflict? I have - it has dropped to almost nothing. And everyone I talk to - once they start thinking about it - agrees. Spam has dropped. Coincidence? I don’t know.

Have these nuts been the ones behind so much spam, tieing up our computers with junk mail and selling p***s enlargements, drugs, Elvis credit cards, and all the goofy things we see in these junk mail messages. And the people who actually respond to the messages with money and credit card info actually financing a war against us? Possible? It wouldn’t surprise me ;-)

Maybe it’s a coincidence. But maybe a few Israelis rockets and air strikes took out some serious spam servers. I for one hope so.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Larry,

I went to school with the Adkinson boys, better known as Fritz Von Eric’s sons.

By Dana

August 1, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Greg,

THANK YOU! Excellent discusion!

By deegee

August 1, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

And thank goodness for bloggers like Harold. If not for him and others like him this blog would be as interesting as sitting in an empty auditorium and listening to your own echo.

By candide

August 1, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

If things get bad enough Bush will have to resign or commit suicide — or be impeached. Let the bad times role!

By Jim's a Dummy

August 1, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Why the constant hand-wringing over what the “liberal-mind” thinks?

America has had 12+ years of GOP rule in Congress and going on 7 years of complete GOP domination of Federal Government.

Why aren’t things all rosy by now?

Why isn’t the world at peace?

Why are there still bad guys out there?

You guys make it sound soooo easy on talk radio and tv. You make it sound sooooo simple in your column.

It’s not. The world is complicated, and nobody likes an arrogant windbag like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O’Loudly yelling at them about how easyily things would work…if the “liberals” would just go away…if everyone would just do what they said and not question it.

You’re a one-trick pony.

Read some Tom Freidman.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Anyone who isn’t dismissive of Harold’s pathetic attempts at bland, limp wristed humour is obviously pretty obtuse.

Harold, based on his many, mostly quite stupid posts seems incapable of proffering even a vaguely credible attempt at serious political argument on any topic - even if one completely ignores his trademark liberal homo activist world view.

Nothing wrong with lightheartedness in its place, but when that is ALL it ever is, on what’s supposed to be at least a somewhat serious blog sullenly defending it out of pique seems - being very polite here - rather empty.

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Dear Concerned @ 9:58, I disagree with several premises. (1) We don’t need to merely bluff into submission those enemies of freedom. While Reagan surely provoked the Soviets, you surely do not doubt that he would have built Star Wars (despite the opposition of your fellow travelers.) No, I actually support turning portions of the desert into glass, as necessary. Send a notice, between August 14 and August 20 we will level Tehran, then do it. You wouldn’t have to destroy more than three or four ancient cities before the morons would believe you are serious. (Of course, Reagan had more credibility there than Bush. Bush seems to nice; the bad guys thought Reagan was crazy.)

(2) Reagan didn’t destroy communism? I suppose that may be technically true - leftism and socialism are inherently flawed ideologies, which will always collapse under their own bloat. Nevertheless, the CIA Reagan inherited from Carter told him that there were no serious strutural defects in the Soviet, and that reversing the decades old Trumanesque policy of “containment,” in favor of “confrontation” would not work. Proves the CIA is consistent across decades, I suppose, ar at least the CIA after a period of Democrat-infestation. I will credit Pope John Paul and Maggie Thatcher as co-destroyers of the Soviet.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Why can’t I buy a decent cigar from Cuba?

We buy the s**t out of cheap crap from communist China.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

nice to see candide offering such thoughtful, highbrow and elevated political commentary … similarly if the Clinton’s and Kennedy’s had any kind of a conscience -then extending Candide’s stunning logic we would be rid of one rapist, several liars, two sleazy pardon sellers and arguably the biggest drunken pinko hypocrite in Congress!!

By Van

August 1, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

deegee,

Sorry, but your starry eyed view of the conflict is dead wrong.

IF one is not a believer, then you must convert, placed under islamic rule, called dhimmi, or be killed. It is that simple. Islam is a very intolerant reglion and will accept no other religion. Even trying to convert from islam can earn you a death sentence.

The entire conflict was not about the land, but of religion.

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Also, Concerned at 9:58, I think you are trying to tell us the numerous Clinton administration warnings about “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq were somehow aroused by sexual activities in the oval office; that is a novel theory, beyond anything I can use to explain Madam Albright’s advisories on the issue.

By The Stopper

August 1, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

the cute, witty, dressing down of all things liberal by some ultra partisan GOP defenders, and the smug, arrogant tone of the many defenders of left-than-central political thoughts, will be viewed in the same harsh light

oh, cut me a freekin’ break, Greg. The former group is the one holding near-absolute power in the US. Not the latter. The buck, as it regards the political discourse level and the bringing-us-together-as-one goals, stops with them.

By candide

August 1, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Why hatred of Bush is the beginning of wisdom: He has squandered the lives and resources of the American people. He has ruled in the interests of small groups of criminal business interests. He has destroyed our reputation abroad. He has lied, cheated, and distorted, all in the name of a God he actually has never obeyed or honored except through pharisaical hypocrisy. He has made the name of American despised and rejected everywhere. He is a swine.

By Markus

August 1, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

I see mindless minion Utopian-searching liberals can’t seem to stay off Wooten’s board. “Why the VERY IDEA Conservatives can have their own board on the liberal AJC is insulting!”

I’ll tell you what I find insulting:

Idiot leftists that think war should be “equal” in parts, and nobody should hit back harder than the other.. that’s unfaaaaiiir… …oh go cry Gandhi a river.

Liberal crackpots on the left that think the government should use fascist behavior like forced wage settings and benefits (that’s been tried in France liberal ladies, look up the results).

Extreme leftist freakshows like Cynthia McKinney who fib about their credentials in a debate like last night. “congress.org has me ranked the most effective congressperson in Georgia, even higher than Andrew Young.” Way, way, way WRONG! I suppose someone braided her hair too tight again.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/state.tt?state=GA&submit=GO

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, you have made a serious mistake in your last post. Clinton’s sexual activities and weapons of mass destruction cannot be used in the same sentence. LMFAO

Sorry to all my friends who know I usually don’t take that bait, but I just had to say it…….

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

candyarrse

but apart from that (unhinged list of lies) you quite like him - eh?

By getalife

August 1, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

They should start a new sport in the middle east.

Build a huge stadium, fight to the death like in Gladiator.

Islam vs Christians.

Televise it worldwide to the masses. You want war, bring it to the stadium.

By Pondering It

August 1, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

At 11:21, Greg wrote: “…until both the left and right help people unite …… [we] will be viewed in the same harsh light that Rome’s leadership was judged, in that we “fiddled” while Rome burned. Our future is in the hands of those that are able to rally and unite us, both liberal and conservative.”

This is an excellent point, and I agree that we are going (and will go) the way of Rome, only in a much shorter time, and with barely a footnote in history to show for it.

Perhaps Mr. Wooten could address this issue in one of his columns or blogs. Is it possible for us to unite? Or will we be a house no longer divided only after one side has completely snuffed out the voice of the other? And if that happens, (as so many of you would like), we’ll no longer be the America we all once believed in, with freedom and opportunity for all. What WILL we be if that happens? What will we be if it doesn’t? Hmmm….

By Watta Load

August 1, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Now why would Jim Wooten like to see conservatives and liberals unite? Look how the man earns his living..he’s a professional opinion giver…the same with Anne Coulter. The last thing these info-tainment professionals want is for conservatives and liberals to find some common ground.

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Dear Pondering @ 1:09, you do not have to worry about our culture uniting. There will always be snakes among us who wish to subvert our freedom, to conform all of us to their behavior requirements. I think I am content in a divided country; that is the our surest protection against domination.

Besides, Harold’s rapier-like wit would have no possibilty of exposure in a nation that spoke in a single voice.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Ouch, comparing Jim to Ann is a little harsh.

I am thinking he is closer to Rush.

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Sometimes Jim is as funny as Ann, he is usually as well-spoken as Rush, but I think he has more in common with Walter E Williams - nice blend of humor with economic reality.

By The Stopper

August 1, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

The last thing these info-tainment professionals want is for conservatives and liberals to find some common ground.

Conservatives and liberals find common ground all the time. It’s called real life—where people get together and talk about stuff other than the latest political scandal, like (say) their aspirations, fears, accomplishments, kids, pets, property, vehicles, and so forth.

I always get a kick out of people who are shocked, shocked that left and right-wingers aren’t civil to each other given the chance to fling mud anonymously.

Y’know, restroom graffiti, it’s pretty nasty too.

By The Moderate Voice

August 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

The far left or right don’t want their sides to find common ground. Instead they appeal to the lowest common denominator in their political party. That is what Howard Dean, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Moore all do.

By Watta Load

August 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Oh I wasn’t comparing Jim’s content to Ann Coulter’s…just his motivation. I actually enjoy some of Jim’s comments…they can be quite clever…I never can get too far with anything Ann writes because it’s just too “out there”…

But sometimes Jim’s column sounds like something I’d hear from a third grader…e.g., “all liberals have cooties”. Perhaps in real life he’s different but he comes across fairly one-dimensional here…

At any rate, I challenge him to say one good thing about liberals…(which by the way is a label I don’t apply to myself)

By getalife

August 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Planting the seeds of terrorism

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Jim, I think Pondering has a good point, and Stopper added even more to the point. I’m also surprised at how quickly we divide when we start talking politics, but how much we can find in common when we talk about our kids, homes, autos, etc. I would love to see you dedicate a blog to something like: What do you consider yourself? Dem, Repub, Lib, Conservative, etc., and why do you allign yourself that way? And would you ever consider voting or even entertaining agendas from the other camps? I think that would be fun and interesting.

By The Moderate Voice

August 1, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Barbara, you present a good idea. The majority of the people that post on this blogs would never vote for someone from a different political party. The reason why? They are more considered with party affiliation than actually getting things done in this country. I have voted across party lines and will again in the future. Sadly I think I am in the minority for voting for the person instead of the party.

By Barbara

August 1, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Yes Mod, I’ll admit I rarely cross party lines. But the reason I don’t is that I don’t know enough about most of the candidates to really take the chance, so I resort to what I do know, which is, in general, the Republicans more closely represent my beliefs. I’m sure I’ve voted for some Repubs that are completely out of line with me, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few good Dems by doing that, but the candidates don’t even seem interested in really promoting their causes anymore. It also seems that one person alone is often impotent and can’t get anything done without their party tagging along. It’s really quite sad to me. I wish people still sought political office because they actually cared about making the world, or this country, or their state, or even their own communities a better place.

After beginning to participate in this blog, I even tried to research the candidates before I voted this last time. There’s not a lot of information that is available to an “average citizen” who doesn’t follow politics like a religion. I couldn’t inform myself about the candidates even when I tried!!! Ugh.. so frustrating. I’m not surprised that others don’t even bother and just vote their party.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

getatinybrain

tut tut … you pinko creeps are NOT supposed to be in favour of gratuitous sectarian violence - you are endlessly patronising your conservative betters, bleating about peace and kumbyaya and all that treasonous bollocks at these massive, now mushrooming everywhere all across America peace camps.

surely a more realistic offering would be liberals against a few lesbian and affirmative action loving pirhana fish in a giant tank with the unempowered pirhanas searching for a suitable empowerment/freedom ritual against their cruel liberal captors.

or how about unarmed anti-hand gun liberals with a load of authentic plastic Bush masks against MS 13 illegal immigrant thugs tooled up with typical Mexican drug gang weaponry used against the Border Patrol.

or better still - liberals against Hizbollocks, you lefties have your flowers -probably pink pansies, anti-war poetry books, loads of I hate Bush t-shirts and signed pictures of that vile narcissistic peacenick Carter and Hizbollocks just have infidel commie kalashnikovs, red Chinese hand grenades and very small hand held North Korean nukes courtesy of Carter, Clinton and Albright.

Bet the last scenario would be a ratings winner on Fox News - even on PPV.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Van, starry-eyed view of the conflict? The point I was making and that you apparently missed is that I believe that the ordinary arab in the street wants what we want and that is to go on living life without interference by radicals that want to deny them of their right to exist because of a difference of religious opinion. With the invasion and occupation of Iraq many ordinary arabs are taking up arms because they believe that western culture is coming after them and they don’t want it. Ordinary Arabs are accustomed to infighting but it didn’t touch their lives on a day-to-day basis. When you bring it into their neighborhoods they get a little PO’d.

By Dana

August 1, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Moderate,

Maybe (I hope!!) you are wrong in that assumption, I think many, if not most of us do. We simply aren’t as verbal as those who lean much further than we. And therein is a danger, as our country is perceived by others, (and some internally) as a nation of extremists.

I’d love to see what we get with a topic that shows the very real commonality among us!

By The Stopper

August 1, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

I think I am in the minority for voting for the person instead of the party.

I think most people believe in their hearts that they do otherwise. They become convinced of the innate indecency of the political opposition, which makes their own side’s candidate seem decent enough.

By Jim Wooten

August 1, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Barbara, Moderate, Pndering et al. , you suggest a worthwhile undertaking, something along the lines of what you consider yourself and why. The slow days of August recess may be a good time to explore some of those questions.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

August 1, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Looks like the hillbillies are out in force today - the internet was a much nicer place before all the trailer trash got on it.

Anyway - greetings all you bloodthirsty rednecks - too bad about the cease fire, huh? Well, just get reloaded, admire the pictures of all the kids you blew up…

Oh wait, y’all here in Georgia are just the cheerleaders for war - just want to watch and not get any on you. Ah well, no problem - the GOP never ever minded chickenhawk hypocrites, as long as they are stupid enough to vote for them.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

time for English,

Sorry mate, I could not make out that gibberish.

What the hell are you ranting about?

By jbmlaw

August 1, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Dear Moderate, I think I disagree with you, partially. “They are more considered with party affiliation than actually getting things done in this country.”

I am more concerned with ideology than results. In truth, the last thing I want is a politician who wants to “get things done.” Those guys are rascals, not to be trusted at all; all they want to do is spend my money, usually to enrich themselves or their friends.

I vote for those who promise faithfully to do nothing, or to keep the government from doing anything. Other than our military, I cannot find any area of government that does anything both (1) worth doing, and (2) well.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

You lost me at “tut tut”.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Label me an American in favor of government reform.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

get a brain …

cheers for the pathetic weasel words yet again … it was simply a mocking parody of your earlier moronic suggestion about sectarian gladiators. Nice to see that normal English is way beyond you though!!

Perhaps at half time in my suggested gladiatorial themes there could be a clinton - lewinksy cigar competition.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

August 1, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Well, TFTT Time For The Toilet, getalife has a point - your rantings are even more unintelligible and whiny than usual. I know I keep asking you this - but - menopause?

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Ah, the gladiator idea.

Pretty good huh?

PPV indeed. Just think of seeing it live to get blood and guts sprayed upon the bloothirsty masses.

Of course, there will be no woman, children or handicapped to murder which is a major letdown for you.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

deegee’s lack of understanding is great fun

its nothing to do with western culture coming at them, although western culture was there in small doses under saddam … there’s been NO attempt to impose western culture … its all about mohammedan fascists - Iraqi and non-Iraqi resisting any kind of democracy - even arab style, and of course the age old shiite-sunni divide has now seriously flared up again..

Many arabs love certain aspects of western (popular) culture, especially clothes, movies, some music, cars, sports, TV programmes etc but obviously there’s some they dont like at all. whereas there’s almost nothing about arab culture westerners love, except maybe kebabs and a few over priced carpets - and way too many of the left love the anti-Israel hate.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Of course, there will be no woman, children or handicapped to murder which is a major letdown for you

yes … but all those smug liberals getting whacked - now that would be fabulous entertainment and would more than make up for that small oversight :)

perhaps rednecks could star by itself in the first pilot episode.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, there could be conservatives vs liberals but that is what Jim’s blog is for.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

yes but when you liberals lose there’s no (visual) major penalty to entertain everyone else.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Watching you lose is entertaining enough.

By Political Foreskin

August 1, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show Bush selling his “Mission-Accomplished” Banner on EBAY.

Another Cuban Missile Crisis is upon us, not with Godless Communism, (thank god communism was godless, eh?), but with but with Allah himself.

Test your Afterlife Quotient here:

1). Which one is easiest to pronounce?….a) ALLAH…..b) YAHWEY ….c) you make a phonetic sound exactly like the sound of “allah” when you pass gas. “Yahwey” requires a crabcake or pie.

2). Did God think that the Jews were entitled to be squatters on an occupied lands, like the Kurds, so that they would be constantly herded together and and driven away from other cultures so as to preserve his own entitlement as God?….a)The Kurds culture is as intact as the Jews. Being herded and driven is a great way to preserve tribal socio-theology…..b) there’s no jihad against the Kurds. They always relinquished their positions and moved on, making uneasy alliances with remote suburbs of the ongoing expansion of other populations, where they were eventually herded up and driven out again and again and again, just like the Jews dealing with the same damn Arabs…..c) the Kurds are not Arabs.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw — The Moderate Voice — Barbara: Be careful actually expecting the politicians to DO THEIR JOBS instead of playing to their political bases (Republicans AND Democrats) and voting for the person INSTEAD of the party! I suggested that over the weekend and Ditsy, uh Dusty got all bent out of shape, saying I was looking for a Nirvana. Damn, imagine the nerve of me, EXPECTING THESE MORONS TO DO THEIR JOBS, REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THE CORPORATIONS. I don’t know what I was drinking and thinking!!!

By getalife

August 1, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

It does not get any dumber than crusty Dusty.

This guy met her at Wal-Mart:

By Mony

July 31, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

I figured I had laid around retired for long enough so I got a new job at Walmart as a Greeter but it did not last but about a half hour.

One of my first customers was a very unattractive, mean actin’ woman with her two kids. She has a nasty looking tattoo on each arm and rotten teeth. To make it even worse, she’s wearing flip flops and has long filthy toenails. So I ask her, “Are they twins”? The ugly lady says, “No dumbass, the oldest one, he’s 9 and the younger one, she’s 7. “Why?… Do you think they look alike?”

“No”, I reply, “I just couldn’t believe that you got laid twice”! End of job!!!!

By Larry

August 1, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Getalife: as I understand it Castro was forcing the Cuban cigar makers to sell before the product had aged properly. The Cuban cigars I’ve had in recent years were good but not like in the old days, not really better than Honduran or Dominican.

By lurker

August 1, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

I borrowed this link from the Woman to Woman blog. Anyone that values democracy should be aware of these people’s ideas.

http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/CultureWar/TheAmerican_Taliban.html

By getalife

August 1, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Larry,

This is the last good cigar I bought in Toronto

By deegee

August 1, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Arab style democracy. Let’s ponder that one for a moment, must be volumes written on the subject.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

deegee,

I was just reading up on Iraqi democracy and it looked just like ours

By deegee

August 1, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

getalife, isn’t it also ironic that the report on Iraqi democracy you reference was prepared by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, whose office was created by Congress and who reports administratively to the departments of State and Defense as well as Congress, and he recommends greater spending on anti-corruption programs. Read: salary continuation plan for same.

By Van

August 1, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

deegee,

I guess you are right - the women like wearing those tents and having 1/2 the rights of men. Even in the worse of summer, they must be covered head to toe.

I guess they do like the rules concerning beards, if it isn’t long enough or you’ve trimmed it too much, you’re in trouble.

In Somalia, do you remember people being killed because the Imam didn’t want people watching the World Cup on TV?

Just the other day, a couple were caned in public, why, they were “together” and not married to each other.

Yes, I guess the average muslim wants the same thing we do, and it has nothing to do with the religion.

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

greater spending on anti-corruption programs…

Is Louisiana included in the budget too?

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Should I even bother with Getalife? Nawww. Sad case there.

His two thousand Katrina aid is spent and his food stamps are about gone. No more cigars and cavier.

Anyway, I like Jim’s blog which concentrates more on political thought than name calling. Not to mention that Jim actually reads what we write. That was and is a nice touch.

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Van

I can’t believe that you’re taking the side of those feminazis in the Middle East…

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

“arab style democracy” was obviously a fairly terse acknowledgement that arabs do NOT embrace the liberal western style democracy we in the west mostly enjoy (Gore’s despicable 2000 effort at stealing an election notwithstanding)… clearly such subtle political distinctions are way beyond your comprehension love.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

My God, that’s the height of hyprocrisy— Our Congress creating an office to FIGHT CORRUPTION in Iraq!!! These morons are SHAMELESS and WE’RE ALL IDIOTS FOR re-electing them!!!

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I was actually having a go at the anti-corruption program instead of your comment.

Speaking of Arab democracy, didn’t Hamas have an anti-corruption platform?

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Ugotta,

That’s why we drink.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I think I’ll start early today!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

my comment was aimed at deegee who is clearly out of her depth talking about foreign politics. yes hamas have a pretty worthless anti-corruption programme which is litle more than sloganising, they are funded by corrupt arab govts, the corrupt EU (not a joke) and terrorist front groups … and they reward their tribal/familial leaders as opposed to the corrupt PLO lot rewarding theirs. so no change there!!

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Since we’re talking about Islamic fundamentalism (who would have thought?), would anyone put any money on Ahmadnijehad writing a letter of support to Mel Gibson for his drunken tirade against Jews?

By getalife

August 1, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Crusty,

No, I was in Duluth, Ga. when Katrina hit.

No aid or food stamps needed but those hospital bills will eat up the investments quickly.

Thank God my family is invested in oil.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

P.S … nice use of feminazis!!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Liberal: The liberal news media is about to pi$$ in their pants they’re so excited about Mel’s screw-up. They’ve had it in for him ever since “Passion of the Christ”. He just played into their hands with this idiotic tirade.

By getalife

August 1, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

It is just one big money grab.

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

TFTT,

What can I say? Some days are better than others…

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Ugotta,

Don’t be surprised if religious conservatives start saying “Mel who?”

By Van

August 1, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Liberal,

Why, yes I support the feminazi’s in the middle east. especially the muslim ones, since they support equal rights for everyone.

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Van,

LOL. Good response. See one of my posts last week about Iranian and Lebanese women in designer jeans. It’s a shame to put so many beautiful women behind a dark veil.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

“there’s been NO attempt to impose western culture … its all about mohammedan fascists - Iraqi and non-Iraqi resisting any kind of democracy - even arab style”

How can you resist a style of democracy that has never existed? Someome name an arab country besides Lebanon and Iraq that is not autocratic.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Michigan

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Michigan

Yeah, but like other Arab dictatorhips, they put dissidents in unmarked graves (Jimmy Hoffa).

By Susan

August 1, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

I love it when anyone who is an Arab or Muslim fights for any cause, they are labelled a terrorist. Guess who showed them the way!

For some reason, no matter what a Zionist does, no matter how dastardly, they are cloaked in some sort of imaginary garb of being the good guys. Read some history and see the brief except below.

Terrorism is the ZIONISTS number one contribution to the Middle East!

“EARLY ZIONIST TERRORIST GANGS.

Soon after the end of World War II, there were three basic para-military Zionist organizations in Palestine, working against the Arab people, with the specific purpose of driving it out of Palestine. These were the Haganah, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang.

Before the British Mandate, the Jewish settlers had formed a group of mounted armed watchmen called “Hashomar” and with the advent of the British Mandate, it became the Haganah (Defense). With a membership of 60,000 Zionist Jews, the Haganah had a field army of 16,000 trained men and a unit called the Palmach, which was a full-time force, numbering about 6000.

The Irgun Zvai Leumi included between 3000 and 5000 armed terrorists, and grew out of the Haganah and its Palmach branch in 1933. The Irgun was not ready to obey the Jewish Agency which sought to dilute the terror of the Haganah in order not to lose its respectability.

In 1939, one of Irgun’s commanding officers, Abraham Stern, left the parent organization and formed the Stern Gang, numbering some 200 to 300 dangerous fanatics.

SOME EARLY EXAMPLES OF JEWISH-ZIONIST TERROR.

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 — 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel’s borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the “Israeli Forces” totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 — February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 — May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

THE SS PATRIA.

November 25, 1940. In September, 1940, around 3,000 Jewish refugees from Vienna, Prague and Danzig were attempting to reach Palestine. In a convoy of four river steamers, they set sail down the Danube and reached the Romanian port of Tulcea where they transferred to three Greek cargo ships named Atlantic, Pacific and Milos. Conditions on board these three ships were horrendous, reminiscent of Japanese hell-ships later in the war. Eventually the ships reached Palestinian waters, but the British Colonial Office refused them permission to land. It was finally decided to deport the refugees to the island of Mauritius where a special camp was to be built. The three ships were then brought into Haifa harbour where the liner Patria was berthed. The refugees were then embarked on the Patria and as the last passengers from the Atlantic were coming on board, a tremendous explosion ripped the liner apart. The death toll amounted to 267 refugees killed. The explosion was the work of the Jewish underground army, the Haganah, who had meant only to damage the ship to prevent it sailing but had miscalculated the amount of explosives needed to disable the ship. Many say that this was no miscalculation and was deliberate murder of Jews by Jews, in an attempt to influence British immigration policy to Palestine.

A LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS.

*The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.

In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.

The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.*”

By deegee

August 1, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

I went to a Baptist wedding on Saturday. The minister went into great detail about the wife’s submission to her husband. Was this just for show or do observant Baptists really live this?

Wouldn’t those Amish people would be alot better off if we got them off of the farm and moved them into Philly.

What happens when an orthodox Jewish man cuts off his beard? Does his family sing “oh happy day”?

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

deegee’s blithering stupidity continues … Kuwait. even S Arabia (- a little bit any way) and other gulf states have albeit it VERY RELUCTANTLY introduced an element of democracy, democratic reforms as they call them, characterise it how you will - that was the point of using the term arab style democracy … christ you really are thick love - and that’s NOT abuse - just a fact!!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

August 1, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Deegee: I went to a Baptist wedding on Saturday. The minister went into great detail about the wife’s submission to her husband. Was this just for show or do observant Baptists really live this?

Hell yeah, WOMAN get me a another beer!!!

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

You were visiting in Duluth when you got sick but you were not at home. You always mention Louisiana as home and sometimes Las Vegas. You told us all about it yourself on the ml blog. How about a little honesty with your insults?

Glad you invested in oil and reaping all those profits you claim Bush made available only to rich people. In that case, maybe Medicare didn’t have to pay for most of your surgery but I doubt that. You really shouldn’t bite the hand that makes you so comfortable and free.

By Political Foreskin

August 1, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Google the Kurds and read for two minutes.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Oh good, we have Kuwait that serves as a base for US military operations and Saudi Arabia that doesn’t allow women to vote in their limited elections. That’s democratic.

By Markus

August 1, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Will somebody in authority tell that idiot cut-n-paste parrot liberal Susan to post links, not entire text on this board please? It’s a waste of space and I believe this is the second time that nut has been warned of this.

By Liberal

August 1, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Very true. But I gotta to hand it to the Saudis in not allowing women to drive. That makes highways a lot safer.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

deegee …you’re one sad stupid moron - you cant even be honest in your posts!!

By getalife

August 1, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Crusty,

I was living in Duluth, got sick moved to Louisiana, heading back to my home town of Vegas next.

No medicare. That honest enough for you? Here is a free tip for you, invest in ethanol.

Since I have been sick, I have read so much information about our current political enviroment and am very informed to the point I wish I had not read what is going on. Obviously you are not informed or just ignore what is going on with our country. Maybe you are just plain stupid.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

women like deegee shouldn’t even be allowed to do the washing up unsupervised - she’d mess that up too!!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

obviously Susan (a phoney name for sure) is it Fatima or LaToyahAziz perhaps? … has finished its boozing with Mel Gibson.

By deegee

August 1, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

If you want to argue that Saudi Arabia is a democracy then you could also make the case that Iraq was a democracy under Sadaam Hussein. After all, they had elections.

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Liberal … now if the Saudis banned hesitant Mexican women and deegee and susan from driving it would almost … be paradise!!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

get someone over 16 to explain to you what an analogy is love and also what a credible political argument consists of …

no one but you is arguing that S Arabia is a democracy!

By deegee

August 1, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Toofey’s wounded. I’m done for the day!

By time for the truth

August 1, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

deegee’s large purple false nails must have broken again!!

By Markus

August 1, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Get a load of John sKerry in Iowa during a fundraiser over the weekend. I’ve seen bigger turnouts at neighborhood 9-year old lemonade stands. The only difference of course is that the children were selling sqeezed sour lemons, not sour grapes.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060729/capt.8f1f5b73591842438749ffa5c2c596ec.kerryiowaiacn106.jpg?x=380&y=227&sig=.Rx4jNKa3DsI1fRIVfkqaQ—

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/07/31/PH2006073100273.jpg

By Dusty

August 1, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

You do get honest when you are pinned down. But who cares. How about telling us that old joke again? You seem to need a few laughs.

Better stop reading that leftist The sky is fallingpropaganda. You might even end up voting for Kerry AGAIN. Now that is depressing.

By Susan

August 1, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Well, since no one has presented any evidence to the contrary, I’m very pleased that we all agree that terrorism is the invention of the Zionists.

You have to hand it to Hamas, the PLO and Hezbollah-they were taking notes and learning at the hands of the Zionists.

By The Moderate Voice

August 2, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Susan, you have to be kidding right? You do know that terrorims has been around for close to 1000 years, well before there was a Jewish state. Its good to see that you are ideological blinded by your hate.

By Dusty

August 2, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Susan,

It doesn’t take thousands of words to convince us that you are a bigot. Could you cut it to a few lines? In your case, that is all that is necessary.

By Susan

August 2, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

@Moderate:

What is ‘terrorims’? And if you think 1000 years is further back in history than the nation of Israel, I would be interested to see what references you cite.

Also, plese, cite a reference that indicates when terrorism first started, along with a definition of terrorism.

@Dustperson:

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? Again, you have no data to contradict anything I posted. Please, by all means continue attacking ad hominem when you have nothing concrete or factual to add to the discussion at hand.

Dustperson, I appreciate the suggestion but I will continue to do as I please. This is an open, unmoderated forum. The page down key is an excellent device for skipping any inconvenient facts.

Again, thank you one and all for continuing to affirm the Zionists are the fathers of terrorism in the Middle East.

By Susan

August 2, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Some more data. For those of you averse to the truth, please hit the scroll down key. It’ll only take a second.

By Dusty

August 2, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Black-eyed Susan,

Your pomposity is exceeded only by your blind egotism. You haven’t proved a thing except you are still one whole hearted BIGOT. You have presented the facts for that. I don’t need to add any more.

By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda

August 2, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

I’ve changed my handle to make it more comfortable for the many rednecks that hang out on Mr. Wooten and Mr. Mike’s blogs.

Thank you for all the facts and history Susan, although you’ll find most of Mr. Wooten’s bloggers won’t understand them, since they don’t fit their perverted world view.

The Zionist movement of the late 19th and most of the 20th century successfully employed terror and terror tactics to start their country. The Algerian separatist movement was lead by people who studied the success of the Zionists, and that is when modern terror tactics became part of Arab politics.

However, if we look at where the Zionists got their inspiration - we need only look to Ireland, where the IRA and earlier terror organizations were finally able to secure the Irish Free State from the British.

Of course, the grandaddy of all modern successful terror organizations is the south’s own Ku Klux Klan, which many of Mr. Wooten’s bloggers have a certain fondness for - certainly many of their parents, grandparents, etc. were active members.

The Klan mobilized almost immediately after the War of Northern Aggression with the idea of restoring white supremacy and white privilege. Through the killing, raping, and intimidation of blacks and sympathetic whites, the Klan acheived their goal.

Of course, the Klan’s legacy of violence, racism, and primitive stupidity infects the South to this day.

By Susan

August 2, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Thank you, R-AA!

I enjoy reading what you write and concur heartily.

There have been so many instances over the years where I have discussed a point and watched the typical Amerikkkan’s eyes glaze over.

If they do not understand and cannot hold up their end of a discussion, they resort to name-calling.

I stay away from the KKK descendant gene pool. The water’s none too clean.

I thoroughly enjoy your posts and your humor. Keep it coming!

By candide

August 2, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Who is our ruthless foe? I think it is Bush and his fascist entourage.

By Corey

August 3, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Should the citizens of Lebanon attack Hezbollah? If so, how? To insinuate that innocent civillians in Lebanon are complicit in carrying out Hezbollahs’s terroist acts because they don’t stand up to Hezbollah is flawed thinking. What should the citizens of Lebanon do?

By Corey

August 3, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

As for Reagan - placing unarmed U.S. Marines in the middle of a conflict because “our(neutral) presence” would quell the intensity and using a Navy gun boat to shell the hillsides of Lebanon and think that no retribution to our Marines would result from our shelling …suicide bomber kills Marines. Mr. Regan says we will not cut and run because we don’t want to send the wrong message to the terrorist. Four weeks later Mr. Reagan pulls Marines out of Lebanon. Does anyone remember that? Yes, Mr. Reagan the greatest we had in the last century deserves to be placed on Mount Rushmore? We gullible Americans deserve what we get.

By Carnell

August 3, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Until all legalistic dogmas are purged from organized, religious sacred texts - including Christian texts - the insanity will continue.

I hear evangelicals in the U.S. are very excited about the present state of the Middle East and want to help usher in Armegeddon.

We Christians - who adhere to the teachings of Christ - not the legalitic doctrine of Paul (a lawyer and Roman citizen), who high- jacked early Christianity will no longer cower to the dogmas of the fervent religious right. Remember the same God who loves them also loves us. Do not let them destroy this world.