Thinking Right

By Jason

July 20, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

I’m betting the speech will be one long paean to identity politics. And it’ll be disgusting…

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Bush and the NAACP: Bush’s in vitro veto to protect snowflake babies wont help him against the likes of Ice Cube, Ice T, or Vanilla Ice who will address the convention. If only Bush believed in global warming.

By summer

July 20, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Why is Bush speaking to a hate group? Who’s next, the KKK?

By Randy

July 20, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why African-Americans vote Democratic. I mean, the Republican party is stronger Christian, do African-Americans just do what Jesse Jackson and a few others tell them? Stop being lead around like a bunch of sheep, think it through!!!

By Bruce

July 20, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

I vote for who has the best idea for everybody to gain not just a few rich old boy’s who want to turn back the clock.

By Rod

July 20, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

So let’s see - the bottom line of Wooten’s column is that people who are not Republicans are not worthy of having the President speak specifically to them. Pathetic opinion.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Greetings, decent people and trash, from London, UK - sorry I missed you folks yesterday, but I was in Southampton and the New Forest, a day in the country since, thanks to you filthy rednecks and your pick-em-up trucks and SUVs, London had its hottest July day since they began recording temperatures in the 1650s.

Bush speaking to the NAACP - did David Duke refuse the invite?

To Randy - you silly redneck - stop chewing your cud and think - the GOP is not Christian, it is KKKhristian. There is a huge difference.

By Richard

July 20, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Hey Randy - everyone (except you) knows that Republicans are nothing but a bunch of rich white people who have lost touch with the average American. The Democratic Party tries to reach out to all with an inclusive hand - not a segratist attitude like the Republicans. Republicans are responsible for the racial and economic splits going on in America today that’s tearing this country apart.

By Anonymous

July 20, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Randy - the republicans are not more Christian. They try to make people think that by repeatedly telling everyone how Christian they are. A true Christian does not use that to bully other’s votes. A true Christian never uses his faith or belief in Christ to pursuade others to support his own agenda.

I’m a Christian and I will spread the gospel when the opportunity arises - but I will not use my Christianity as a “bragging tool.” Those people obviously do not have the true ideals of Christ in their heart.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

In defense of President Bush’s shoulder massage of Germany’s Chancellor at the G8 meeting:

First, Bush was practicing safe grope with plastic gloves (ribbed magnums).

Second, The German Chancellor had only herself to blame. Did you see that dress? What was she thinking? She had it comin’. (Women have to dress smarter than that).

Third, Isn’t this whole episode stolen from the plot of Debbie Does Dallas 2? It had to be a liberal media cut and paste of W’s head on a still frame. No president of the USA would ever just manhandle a girl without buying her a dinner first. It just wouldn’t happen, it’s not believable, and it’s obviously a gay liberal democrat rat trick, and for liberals everywhere, Mr. Bush, I apologize. (she had it comin’, if I’d have been there, I’d have done the same)

By seeing through the smoke

July 20, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

mid term elections in November, Bush’s first veto and first NAACP appearance in July — politics at it’s finest. The veto to placate his “base”, NAACP to give the appearance of reaching out. Republicans in trouble in Novemeber — maybe.

By Chip H

July 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Jim, I’m surprised that you a seemingly intelligent person would make the statements that you have about the NAACP. Yes it is an organization that at times is woefully out of touch with the current issues of the black community, but it also was the first and at times the only voice that the black community had during Jim Crow and the days of legalized segregation.

The reason the NAACP appears to be a mouthpiece of the Democratic party is because of all the years that the Republican party has positioned itself as the mouthpiece of racism. When the Dems supported the voting rights and civil rights legislation in the 60’s it started the decline of the Dems in the south. The NAACP and most African-Americans don’t easily forget that. School desegregation, housing integration all were causes that the NAACP led the charge for. Myself and other blacks may not agree with every stance the NAACP takes today but we do recognize, remember and honor the role it played in getting us where we are today. And we also recognize when that legacy is insulted and ignored.

If Bush and the Republicans truly wanted African-American votes, then honoring that legacy is a crucial step. He can state his dislike with their current positions but to ignore them totally sends a powerful negative message to the African American community.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Jim, I couldn’t agree with you more. His decision to appear before this hate group is one more disappointment to me. We should be trying to bring this country together, and the NAACP hasn’t done anything to try to bring different groups together.

Randy I admire your effort, but I have to agree with Anonymous above. Republicans are not necessarily more Christian. I agree that most conservative values are more in line with Christian values, but we have lots of Democrats at my church. LOTS. While their social programs are over the top, in a way, they are trying to share, which is also a Christian value. I am a very conservative republican, but making statements that we own the market on Christianity is a devisive statement.

By Harold

July 20, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

There’s simply no gain in delivering messages through hostile filters, Jim, but you keep on with it daily at the AJC!!! :P

Now, I heard George Bush reportedly claimed God spoke to him and told him he was actually a black man. He will don brightly colored tribal garb at his next press appearance.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

I’m not surprised by Bush speaking to the NAACP. I also wish this had gotten a little more thought from the “facilitator”, Mr. Wooten. For any of you who have spent a lot of time with people of color, many of the messages that moral conservatives adhere to and espouse are believed in strongly among blacks and hispanics. Issues such as opposition to gay marriage (both black and hispanics), illegal immigration (blacks), and the un-separation of church and state (mainly the religiosity that any discussion seems to take on no matter what the topic with this administration, and many blacks and hispanics have strong religious/christian ties.) Can “W” span the divide by reaching out to the NAACP on these issues? Probably not, but stranger things have happened.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

No rod, Mr. Wooten is saying that it’s good for Bush to get as far away from Bill Frist as he possibly can and to address a group that wont compare him to the 12th Shia Imam like the rats who are deserting the Repudlickan Ship do.

CARTOON IDEA: Show a couple watching TV. The words from the TV are, “So Bush expects a hostile greeting when he speaks to this convention…” The couple’s dialogue is, “Bush at the NAACP?”, and “NO, Bush at the Republican National Convention.”

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Chip H, I agree with your assessment on what the organization was. And what it is now. Its legacy certainly should be honored, but that doesn’t mean its current Democrat-only agenda should.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

The NAACP has unfortunately become a hate group, the shameful racebaiting TV ad about poor Mr James Byrd is just one of many outrages this vile black group has perpetrated. Their laughable ‘political neutrality’, given their tax status is also serious cause for concern. The shameless race baiter Julian Bond is as hysterically anti-Bush as any far left nutter. At the very least the NAACP need auditing, dont forget Sick Willie continuously abused the IRS as he repeatedly audited a staggering number of his enemies, including an anonymous woman in Chicago who simply told him what she thought of his politics when she blundered into him one evening. Though at least she wasn’t groped.

Blacks are still by far the worst example of politically/racially regimented sheeple in the USA. If any blacks start thinking for themselves like the smart visionary folks at C.O.R.E or Project 21 or other sound black conservative groups they are demonised, attacked and racially demeaned as UNcle Toms and worse.

Black conservatives are the real heroes in the USA today - they are throwing off the evil oppressive chains of liberal hegemony and reaching out to take their rightful place in that Shining City Upon A Hill that Sir Ronald Reagan (PBUH) told us about.

Look at how black elected GOP officials have been attacked racially and personally etc in Ohio and Maryland and elsewhere by the Democrat party of hate. Its despicable that liberals/blacks cannot stand the fact that increasingly blacks are rejecting the politics of the taxpayer funded racial spoils trough, illegal racist quotas on campus and the rest of the bad old days of the racial pandering of the absurd, worthless Carter admin and the modern day racebaiters like the ultra dim Waters and Jackson Lee, Rangel, Sharptongue, Schumer, Reid, Boxer et al.

Equality for all - and equal treatment, equal rights and equal responsibility for all is the American way. The time for racist pandering and special treatment ahs long gone. Many tens of billions have been pissed away on welfare/housing etc specifically for blacks and this has largely been a democrat vote buying waste of money that has undeniably resulted in ghettos, huge crime problems and an ongoing expectation from way too many blacks that they are still owed a living because of previous pandering.

The GOP is the party of integration - they voted for the Civil Rights Act when the racist Dems, including Gore shamefully rejected euqality and Bush has proudly picked more competent blacks as senior cabinet memebers than any other president. Remember how most of Clinton’s black appointees were corrupt and had to resign!!

Maybe that heroic narcissistic klansman D. Byrd from W.V can tell us why he still uses the n-word on TV sometimes.

By Harold

July 20, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Randy,

Voting Republican is essentially the lottery for white people. Republican voters think they will get rich if they just keep voting Republican.

Black people who want to be rich just buy the lottery tickets directly.

Neither method has any chance of working.

-Harold

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Funky, you are right. I’ve made that same point before (about the Mexicans). And I agree it can be said about blacks as well (specifically, that they have strong family and religious values). I have always admired that about both the mexican and black communities. However, the NAACP is not a group that makes an effort to bring communities together. They are very hateful towards whites. Yes, in the beginning they had a great cause, but the organization, along with others like unions, feminist groups, etc., have outlived their usefulness and are now just a platform for pandering politicians to reach extremists.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Harold, very well put. It always amazed me when my neighbors in an extremely middle class neighborhood would tell me they were “going to vote Republican” because of all the tax cuts and favors to the wealthy. Since none of us were in the upper 10% of the income bracket, I never understood why those things meant so much to them. Now I know.

By Wanker, Meet Andy

July 20, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

I was hoping you all would handle this on your own, I kind of have better things to do:

By Rednecks - America’s Al Qaeda July 20, 2006 08:28 AM Greetings, decent people and trash, from London, UK - sorry I missed you folks yesterday, but I was in Southampton and the New Forest, a day in the country since, thanks to you filthy rednecks and your pick-em-up trucks and SUVs, London had its hottest July day since they began recording temperatures in the 1650s.

What’s the matter, tosser, don’t you have some soccer match you could be attending? Maybe you could talk your C**k nee BS to them, see if you can’t get the home crowd to riot, that would be fun. Oh, hold up, they don’t need your help, they’ll probably riot anyway, it don’t take much

I’ll bet you don’t like it though when those British hooligans are chasing you tea and biscuit as-s down the street in broad daylight. That’s no way for a refined chap like yourself to have to navigate those golden streets of your blessed Islam, er, I mean Britain, fleeing wildly from your drunken sot fellow countrymen.

But what’s a wanker like yourself to do when not talking smack about America or hiding from the rampant criminal activity in Londonistan?

Knock up some trash British woman, creating another single mother in the highest population of them in the world?

Get falling down stupid drunk and kill your liver, spend your days in the ward of the hospital talking all that high minded crap to your fellow citizens on IV’s?

Learn how to kneel and face allah and pray 5 times a day with the fastest growing group of new British “citizens?” Hint: Better learn how.

Start some crap with Germany, get bombarded into submission and hope that the “rednecks” in America hurry up and rescue you, again, like we always do?

Run your mouth some more, punk.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Jim, you should let Time for the Truth be a guest columnist sometime. He’s hittin’ on all 8 cylinders this morning!

By Get Real

July 20, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

How can anybody say that (in general) blacks are highly religious and have strong family values when the rate of pregnancy among unmarried black teenagers is astronomical? Less than half of all black children are born into a married couple. Strong family and religious morals teach girls to not spread for every guy that comes around. Hardly looks like that practice this very basic concept.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Barbara, thanks for the acknowledgement. I don’t agree with you that the NAACP has outlived it’s usefulness however. Look at the statistics, how a black man is more likely to end up in prison than in college, just to name one issue. I think it is easy for people to just demagouge - both black and white. It’s much easier to spew rhetoric and “bomb-throw” than it is to do real work. Barbara, would you not put Ann Coulter and Michael Moore in the same camp as some of the folks you may be referring to? And the NAACP is not hostile to white people. Bill Clinton certainly didn’t have problems or hostility there, did he?

By Pay Attention ...

July 20, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

as all the closet racist crawl out of the woodworks. Get Real and Truth wasted no time.

By Rod

July 20, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Hey Time for the Truth, before you call anyone else racist, you need to be sure to look in your mirror. Those are mighty racist comments coming from YOU.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

@ Redneck Trash

Its amusing to note you still use Al Quaida in your sullen neanderthal id. Hopefully the FBI has picked up on this - and will arrest you ASAP for questioning. Clearly you are more deserving of coerced questioning/torture than any other moron I’ve ever encountered in cyber space. 10 years in solitary at Camp Gitmo might also help to re-educate your treasonous utterly braindead yankee arrrrse!!

I understand that your usual rantings yesterday were thankfully curtailed by the breakdown of your window AC unit on your probation service provided trailer in the oppressive summer heat of Floyd County/Rome!!

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

what exactly was “racist” in my post.

Everything was fair comment or factually correct.

Its typical of hatefilled liberals to emptily sneer at their conservative betters when the truth about liberal/black racebaiting is exposed!!

I alos note you just moronically asserted and made NO attempt to actually back up your weasel like bollocks!!

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Get Reel, the point I was raising regarding religion is different than the point you make. You say “Highly Religious”, which does entail living a certain lifestyle. My point was that among blacks and hispanics, they have strong religious “ties”, which is to say they are more exposed growing up to Christian stories and mores, although they may or may not follow them. Understand? I would presume that on a percentage basis, blacks and hispanics attend some type of church more than whites do. Your point is that there seems to be a disconnect between the values they grow up exposed to and what choices they are making, and I agree - which is where I see organizations like the NAACP having a terrific platform to provide leadership and assistance to black families.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Get Real, yes, you make a valid point. There are some alarming statistics about blacks. That’s why they need a good example to follow, and a good group to associate with. I don’t think the NAACP is it. However, when you get into a middle class black community, you will find a closeness that reminds you of old days. Concern for their older citizens, communities banding together and taking care of each other. Same with Mexicans. That’s what I meant. I am not going to say that blacks don’t have their problems, but the ones I’ve been exposed to are mostly middle class.

Funky, I think there are better organizations for blacks to associate with, other than the NAACP. And I am probably Bill Clinton’s #1 anti-fan (is that a word??). In my opinion he was the worst president in history. Granted history wasn’t my best subject, but he’s disgusting…. Back to the point… There are many black leaders that provide excellent examples for the black community, and those people make efforts to bring us all together. Unfortunately the black community seems to turn on these folks sometimes. We need to develop and foster groups in all communities whose focus is on advancement for the human race. I’m living proof that the best way to win over another group is not by ramming our differences down someone’s throat, but by rolling up our sleeves and getting to work. I am a white woman who dropped out of high school (yes, I was stupid), and for the last 6 years I have held a high level management position where all of my employees are required to have a college education. I worked my way there. I didn’t cry about being female, or being underpriviledged. I just think groups like the NAACP hold people back instead of giving them the hope and incentive to reach their full potential.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

“Snowflake Babies” sounds like a great name for a rap group.

CARTOON IDEA:: “In Vitro Veto”—-Show Bush holding an snowflake baby perilously over a balcony railing to show reporters what he had just saved.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

come on rod/pay no attention

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

Liberal wankers like YOU are all the same - just cowardly smear merchants!!

What was “racist” in my post??

Presumably you can effortlessly wipe the floor with me and expose me as a Byrd/Gore like racist!!

By Chip H

July 20, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

@Jim, I’m frightened that we actually agree on something…lol. I think if the Republica party genuinely wants to gain support of the African American community that is what they will have to do, honor the legacy, disavow the “Wille Horton” type tactics and then state their case.

@time for truth, Bush’s response to the push for hate crimes legislation after the James Byrd murder, did demonstrate not only his but also a large number of Republican supporters insensitivity towards African Americans. When there is a history of 250 years of slavery and inhuman abuse, followed by 100 years of beatings and lynchings based on the color of the persons skin, the torture and murder of James Byrd strikes a chord that resonates strongly and clearly. Failure to accept and recognize that fact will always handicap the Republican party.

Given my income and educational level I am the prime target audience for the Republican party. However, I cannot personally sit at the table with you when I feel that a major portion of my history and background is disregarded and belittled by you.

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Actually, Barbara, I agree with you on Time for the Truth’s 8:51 a.m. post. He’s in rare form today. A healthy breakfast will sometimes do that for you.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Cheers Jim and Barbara

I’m still waiting (almost breathlessly - big smirk) to be publicly excoriated as a “racist” by my intellectually dishonest smear merchant liberal chums.

I’m off now to do 20 miles on my shiny new hybrid bicycle but will check back later to see if indeed either/both - or anyone else has summoned the cojones to HONESTLY challenege the fair comment and factual points made!!

Anyone can loudly screech racist - but backing it up with coherent facts is something very different!!

By Mark

July 20, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Barbara, you think Clinton was the worst president ever? Who could possibly be worse, more intellectually deficient, more stubborn, more idiotic, than the current buffoon holding office? Clinton may have had woman problems but the country was in great shape when he was in office. Right now, we’re hated the world over. Our military will be in shambles after this fiasco, the strong economy is not translating into high paying jobs, etc. I could go on but it would be redundant to point out so many of his failures.

Now getting to the topic, I think the NAACP has out-lived it’s usefulness for most of us. When this country was truly racially segregated they were a force that was needed. Now that the country is truly segregated by class, there needs to be a group that works for the advancement of poor people instead of colored people. I’m a middle class black that will never vote for a Republican, not because we don’t share some of the same values but because I believe Democrats are better at trying to help those in need than Republicans. My wife and I don’t need government help for anything but a lot of blacks do for whatever reason. Welfare won’t help most of those who don’t take responsiblity for themselves but corporate America ain’t helping either. All these tax cuts have not led to more jobs being created. They’ve led to outrageous CEO compensation while the worker bees see massive layoffs.

By Pay Attention ...

July 20, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Actually, Truth I mistakenly lumped you in with Get Real and for that I apologize. I only skimmed your post and reacted before I read through.

By @@

July 20, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Jim:

My advice to the NAACP would be to “Let your people go”.

There are other African-American Organizations better equipped to show the way. Opportunity is there for the taking. The NAACP saw to that, but they refuse to deliver today’s message of progress. It doesn’t serve them. It’s time for them to stop serving themselves at the expense of African Americans.

They have nothing to offer but name recognition. Bush is in a difficult spot because of that fact. Other African American Leadership Organizations need to move out in front of the antiquated ideas of the NAACP with their own name recognition.

Leave the NAACP in the dust of it’s chosen neglect.

By JM

July 20, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

First off, Rednecks-Americas Next Al Queda, anyone can travel to London through Yahoo Travel Log, get over yourself…you are such an annoying little snit by now. If you really were out of Fulton County, you’re a bigger idiot than I thought to BLOG. Bush and the NAACP is 100 per cent politics in an election year. How, in two years, do you go from saying your relationship with the NAACP is non-existent ( in a non-election year)to being a speaker? Because you flip flop for politics, thats why. You pander to a designer audience, for votes. The NCCAP is an out of date, out of touch, relic of an organization that picks and chooses high profile caes to latch onto. If the intentions of the NAACP were honorable, all you’d hear them talk about, all day long, every day, is for their people to better themselves and stop the black on black crime that is out of control and the unwed pregnancy that makes up about 75% of your birth rate yearly. All they care about is if someone used a certain word or not, like thats really is going to improve your daily lives.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Let me start by saying how little I care about the NAACP! What DOES bother me though is the irony of the way you bad mouth the organization, but project the same views that they are trying to do away with.

Take the lastest half-wit to post - JM. You mention black-on-black crime and unwed pregnancy, how do you think these issues came about? Don’t you think that fighting for, and ensuring people have, equal opportunities is way of ensuring that this cycle is broken?

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

The cowardly murder of James Byrd was inexcusable. However the “reason” why it happened is little known/publicised. And of cousre this was not “the” only reason - but you’ll see what I mean!

I’ll tell you now before I peddle off for a while.

The white ‘nazi’ who instigated the outrage had recently been released from jail. He was a white nazi type prison gang member. What happened to him in jail made him irrationally hate all blacks. When he was sentenced (before the lynching) the head of the aryan nation (0r whatever nazi gang it was) in the TX jail they were in percieved he didn’t hate blacks enough. So he arranged to have Byrd’s chief lyncher put into a cell with black power prison gang types who mercilessly sexually abused (raped) him endlessly for at least a few weeks. When he was percieved to have had enough he was moved back into the white population.

Now he hated blacks with a murderous irrational hate.

In the leftist Showtime film of the case which I actually rented, a black female character is seen on screen deliberately minimising this horrendous experience as being (paraphrasing) merely assaulted by blacks. This dishonestly conveys the impression that nothing bad was really done to him by blacks!!

NOTHING justifies what he and his thuggish buddies did to James Byrd- 2of3 are on death row and the other one got life.

You talk of Bush’s “response” - that was utterly dishonest of you. Death Row in TX is as serious a punishment as you can get.

So called hate crimes are merely liberal attempts to ‘politically’ punish folks more for crimes. Murder is murder, whatever the motive. The incidence of “official” black on white hate crimes is very low, yet the number of white on black hate crime sis much higher. Why? Because liberal prosecutors, the media etc have created a twisted perception that its predominantly whites who commit hate crimes, despite the stats and anecdotal/media stories that show that black on white crimes generally are much higher percentage wise than white on black.

Do your own research … dont just take my word for it,

Because one truly evil crime occurs there is NO need, purely for racial pandering purposes, to change the law. That’s my opinion, just like you have your opinion.

No one is belittling anything here mate.

You are twisting and emotively abusing history for racial reasons. That’s disgusting!!

Its gonna be too hot to ride soon - see ya!

By ckt

July 20, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

randy… the republican party is “stronger christian”? first, let’s work on our grammar - it will make discussing ignorant comments such as that much easier. second - when i read the bible, a few things stick out to me. like not judging, like helping the poor and the widowed. like “blessed are the peacemakers”. like, “let he without sin cast the first stone.” now, you may disagree with me, you may like leviticus better than jesus’ words, but saying one party is “stronger christian” does nothing but prove ignorance over thought. argument over discussion, and blind-following over thought-out faith. jesus was not a democrat or a republican, and neither should churches.

as for why bush is going to the naacp… he’s a compassionate conservative - remember ???? and he figures that while giving us a huge debt, involving us in some sort of never ending theoretical war on terrorism, and passing laws preventing all sorts of people from having rights and liberty, he may as well get some face time with the blacks - lord knows something’s going to have to change for republicans to maintain any form of control in 2006 and 2008.

americans are so disappointing. let’s learn to have debate. to discuss problems logically. stop playing politics with my faith randy. it’s unbecoming, and makes you look and sound like an idiot.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Barbara - I wasn’t trying to start the Clinton bashing, just trying to say “hey it’s not that the NAACP is hostile to white people, just certain people.” My position is, the NAACP has offices (physically) all across the country, ties to historically black colleges and universities and scores of members and donors. This is not Hamas or Hezbollah, that needs to be deconstructed. Barbara, let me also commend you on your achievements, what you say is very impressive. I am going to assume that you are probably in your late 40’s or in your 50’s??? The only reason I bring that up is that, as I told my mother two weeks ago - a story like yours will not be told 10 years from now (she sent me an article that Neely Young wrote in Georgia Trend)- there is no way in today’s economy, no matter how hard someone works, they could move up in a company like you did without educational credentials, period. This is something else that groups like NAACP could/should focus on.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

BUSH will fit right in at the NAACP meeting. They are used to malaprops, innappropriate remarks, stupid asides, microphone hijinks, and bad hair. Just pray it wont be a dinner speech. I dont know if the Republican Base can stand another Gauche Faux Pas from the Paws That Goes For It…..HEY! another cartoon idea!~!!!

By Mo Joe

July 20, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

..”hostile filter”? Is that what we consider the NAACP now?…Wow, that’s interesting; coming from a racist….

By Pete

July 20, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

You’re Right, Bush shouldn’t go to the NAACP convention. He has no interest in policies that benefit anyone other than the Super Rich, so why should he pretend otherwise - someone might think he was President of all the American people.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

If J.C. Watts, a well known black with impeccable conservative credentials were by some miracle to be the Republican nominee for prez, how many of the republican “base” would suddenly become democratic voters? Republicans have earned the perception that they have become a magnet for racists and bigots. Their racially charged agendas around election days is a good indicator.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Mark,

Sometimes the best way to help someone is to teach them to fend for themselves. Democrats are very good at throwing money around at disadvantaged and lazy folks in return for their vote. But are they really helping these indidviduals? There are many folks that absolutely need assistance, but there are many many more that are receiving government assistance that should be able to take care of themselves. The Democratic premise is that “the indidvidual” is not worthy or capable of being a productive addition to society and that we “the government” have to take care of you. The tragedy is that the majority of good black folks believe them.

By JM

July 20, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason the last time I saw the NAACP on my televison set, a few of the members were nodding their heads and applauding while Cynthia McKinney was doing her ” I am a female, black….” speech after her assault on a police officer. Thank God that nut case is about to be history. Perhaps she can head up the NAACP, they seem to be a perfect fit. Also, to the prior post who mentiond the rate of how many black men are going to prison and not to college. I guess you can blame that on whitey too. It’s no wonder your community is wrought with problems, one must assume accountability and responsibility first.

By CDog

July 20, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Analogy time:

Expecting Bush to speak at the NAACP is like:

Expecting John Kerry to speak the at NRA convention

Expecting Diane Feinstein to speak at the Right to Life convention

Expecting Ted Kennedy to speak at the Temperance Society Meeting

Expecting Hilary Clinton to speak at the Christian Coalition

Everyone knows that the NAACP is a democratic political organization. It should be renamed the NAALCP (National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People)or NAALD(National Association for the advancement of liberal democrats). Conservative and Moderate African-Americans need not apply. Did or does the NAACP support Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, Alan Keyes, Condolezza Rice, Janice Rogers Brown, Herman Cain, etc.?

If the NAACP wants to support liberal democrats, then fine. But be honest about what your are about.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Time for the Truth must be mad at something. That 8:51 post went from accusing blacks of being sheep to Donald Byrd’s past. Well, here are some truths:

1)Yes many moderate and liberal republicans supported the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, however, when Barry Goldwater and Nixon started to play the Southern Strategy, they alienated blacks.

2)If blacks are sheep for voting majority Democrat, what does that make Southern whites who vote overwhelmingly Republican?

3)Affirmative action is not a failed program. It involves a lot more than just quotas and it is needed as blacks were marginalized by law from before the Revolution until 1964, which of course is a very long time.

4)If a president from a particular party actively campaigned for and passed legislation that ensured your right to vote and to be treated like a human, wouldn’t you be a little more loyal to his party than the other?

5)I’m not a Republican, however I do applaud Ken Mehlman’s overtures to the black community over the past few years. Apologizing for the Southern Strategy and addressing concerns of the black community rather than minimalizing the long history of repression and discrimination that they endured will be very effective in getting more blacks to vote Republican.

Don’t be so angry and insulting Truth. If you try to postively sell the ideals of the Republican party rather than berating the people you’re are trying to win over, you may be surprised.

By deegee

July 20, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Can white people just take a step back for a moment and ponder the thought that you may not be the best qualified person to tell black people what organization best represents their interests? While you might not like the NAACP’s criticism of the Bushes, it is hardly a hate group. The NAACP raises money for college tuitions, has youth development programs, organizes disaster relief drives, holds job fairs, etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this patronizing attitude among whites bolsters my opinion that the NAACP is as relevant today as it was 90 years ago.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

J. Carville, your dead wrong…JC Watts would get my vote and I’m willing to bet that almost 95% of Republican voters would prefer him over a Democrat.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Hey Mark. To address your first paragraph, I’ll just say that I’m not 100% pleased with Bush either. Ronald Reagan was the best president in my opinion. (Oh Lord, I’m sure I’ll get blasted for that one…..) Anyway, Bush has to lead this country and has to make decisions specific to current events such as wars going on right now. Perhaps his choices could have been different, but he’s the one who was hired to make them. Clinton, on the other hand, only had to keep his dk in his pants, and couldn’t pull that off… (well, actually, I guess he **did pull it off, but I digress….). Anyway, Clinton abused his office for sex. That’s disgusting. Period.

Now, about your second paragraph, I agree that the rich seem to keep getting richer, and the poor are struggling. But even you said welfare isn’t helping those who won’t take responsibility for themselves. I don’t agree that the Democrats are trying harder to help poor people. I strongly believe that the best way to help motivate folks who won’t help themselves is to provide programs for teaching, but stop throwing money at them. Cut off welfare after a very short period. Make qualifying for it more restrictive. That get’s people off their butts faster. People make choices that put them in their current situation. Some folks who don’t have enough money to eat buy drugs and alcohol with the few dollars they do manage to scrape up. Democrats want to keep throwing money at the problem. I say cut ‘em off. There’s and old expression that comes to mind. Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, but teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime. The Dems want to keep throwing fish, and I have a problem when they run out of fish and start digging around in my pockets to give my fish away. I want to decide who I share with; I don’t want some Democrat telling me who I have to give to. Don’t get me wrong. I give a lot of money to charity organizations, and I also do volunteer work. But I don’t trust the Democrats to make those decisions for me. I find their practices to resemble communism. If I’m working and someone else isnt’, then I should be able to purchase more, or have more, than the person who isn’t working. And if someone who doesn’t have a job decides to keep having babies, I shouldn’t have to pay for them. I know that is harsh, but I controlled my own childbearing to only the amount of kids I could afford, and others should do the same.

By Cane

July 20, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

JM - I posted the fact that it is more likely for a black man to go to prison than to college (statistically), and I am a white male (whitey).. and further in the post I call on groups like the NAACP to address this real issue along with others within their community. You also err on your “last time I saw them on television”, McKinney was surrounded by certain members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and not even all of them - some of them actually told her to “repent” and quit making them look bad.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

The Problem with Repudlickans is that they ARE the stronger christian party. Give a christian a gun, and he will find the devil and then shoot him, just as the bible conditioned his mind to think: judge, and punish the evil you see.

Never mind that the observed evil is arbitrary and exists ONLY in the mind of the christian. The bible shows us what to do to those who dare come within our sights.

REAL WORLD CARTOON IDEA::::(1)-We only criticize in others what we see in them of ourselves.

(2)-We ultimately become THAT which we most despise.

World, meet the Repudlickan Party.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

“Time for the Truth” thinks Bush should raise the terror alert level to Black.

Call Homie-land Security now!!!!

By Pauline

July 20, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Jim hon: You are so right again. hee hee. W doesn’t need to go on NAACP Live; he needs to come on True Gritz!

Of course, that’s a scheduling nightmare waiting to happen. So if W can’t make it, we’d love to have you instead.

Now that you’ve embraced the blogosphere so skillfully, video blogging should be right around the corner for you.

We can show you the ropes! Email us when you get a sec, Pauline Ashley-Wilkes www.truegritz.com

By Dusty

July 20, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

So President Bush is going to speak to the NAACP. That doesn’t worry me one bit. If he wants to reach out to all Americans, whether they like him or not, I am all for it. The President made it through Coretta Scott King’s funeral and looked like a winner. All the derision was countered by his polite demeanor. That showed the true character of the man. Integrity is always delightful to behold. I have no fear of the results from either side when the President speaks to the NAACP.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Barbara, I read your last post and thought it was 1985! Do you know how many people in the ENTIRE State of Georgia receive federal welfare benefits? The ENTIRE State?? 8,000 people. That’s it. Thank you Bill Clinton, thank you Newt Gingrich (I believe both sides deserve credit for this achievement - without a Dem President, those laws would have never made it through to passage and enforcement, they would have been viewed as racist.) Check the facts… 8,000 people out of a state population of over 9 Million!!! That is less than .01%. I was astounded to learn this - go look it up. Some counties in Georgia have ZERO people receiving assistance. Progress has been made here, and you know when and why it happened? Because good, thoughtful people on both sides of the political spectrum worked together to their strengths and made it happen - together. Something important, something that made a difference in everyone’s life (taxpayers, beneficiaries now working and contributing, children of the former beneficiaries, etc.)

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

J. Carville, your dead wrong…JC Watts would get my vote and I’m willing to bet that almost 95% of Republican voters would prefer him over a Democrat

What about the other 5% Stewart? What would be their problem with a REAL conservative like J.C. Watts? Is that 5% the vdare.com element of the republican party?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Enough,

Everyone likes to beat up on the south when it comes to racial issues. And it deserves it to a certain extent. However, the north is by far innocent. They talked a good game, but look at the reality. The cities of the north are much more segregated than the south. An article just came out yesterday that Chicago police were torturing blacks as late as early 1980’s. Blacks are moving back to the South in droves. All white people should be ashamed of this time in our history. The vast majority of people in the south were not slave owners. And for over 50 years, northerners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor here in the south by using cotton and tobacco products.

Degree, there are a lot of highly regarded black men and women that believe that the NAACP is a hate group. Sure, they do some good things for youth, but they are an overall bad reflection and negative influence on the “advancement of colored people”. As a black person, I believe that you are more than qualified to an opinion of the KKK and other white supremecists groups.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Well JM - The fact that you call it MY community, when I believe it is OUR community speaks volumes.

What you fail to see is that while the NAACP does some stupid sh-t, they also do a lot to prevent and end the problems of the black community. The effect of the racism and hate that existed not so long ago still affects the black community, and it takes time to end the vicious cycle. I could give you a history lesson, but I’ll save the space for people who are capable of real thought.

By Chip H

July 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Time for the truth, Remebering history is not twisting and emotively abusing history for racial reasons or would you say that Jews are twisting and emotively abusing history by remembering and reminding the world of the holocaust? Or are you saying that 250 years of slavery and 100 years of lynching were not a holocaust for African Americans.

Legal discrimination is no longer allowed, blatant open racism is condemmed but I have seen and been the victim of racist attitudes, actions and discrimination to know that the legacy of those times does indeed live on

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

J. Carvile, you are so wrong. I have been calling for JC to run for 8 years now. I love that guy. He is a fantastic human being. Unfortunately, because the liberal press wants to attack and bash conservatives, finding every little mistake they’ve ever made, JC has now bowed out of the pubic eye, probably never to be seen again. His children are getting older and I personally think he’s trying to protect them from having to put up with the BS that comes with a father in the political public eye. If JC announced he was running for president, not only would I vote for him, but I’d volunteer to help him campaign. I feel the same way about Alan Keyes. Please don’t imply that Republicans are racist. That is so wrong.

By Rick

July 20, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

My question is, if George Bush declined to address the NAACP for 5 years….why in God’s name have they lobbied until he accepted for this year? Am I crazy or are his polls at the lowest of all times…is he not steeped in wars and controversy…why would we want to hear anything his “dumb a*s” has to say? I am floored.

the devil to address its constituency. I don’t get it.

Mfume, except his watch made the offer for at least 4 of those years. I’m done for real.

agency that claims to represent Black folks …misrepresent us one more time….actually this is heartbreaking that we would still be shuffling in 2006…that generations of Black folks missed the day when the NAACP stood for something….that they have seemingly joined the ‘we’ll do anything to survive’ crew. I’ll never understand this!

gonna burn that sucker when I finish crying.”

By Amelia

July 20, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Barbara, I read your last post and thought it was 1985! Do you know how many people in the ENTIRE State of Georgia receive federal welfare benefits? The ENTIRE State?? 8,000 people.

Excellent point funky. That one falls right in line with the fact that 25 million immigrants of all types are working in the unskilled labor categories in this country and only 7 million people total are unemployed. Just that demographic alone disproves the argument that these people take jobs that other Americans want. It is always the propoganda that people latch onto that gives their true agenda away. And the racists and bigots are the easiest in the world to flush out of their closet.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

J. Carville,

I am not educated on this group, nor do I care to be. There are extreme and ingnorant people within both parties.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Amelia, thanks for the backup and the correllation with the “immigrants taking our jobs” argument - however, please don’t imply Barbara is a racist or bigot. I don’t believe she is - see I feel that there are lots of well-intentioned people who just don’t have all the facts and perspectives sometimes. I was one of the people who at the beginning of the State of GA flag debate felt that changing it would be a slight at the “heritage” of those of us whose families go back 5 generations in Georgia and count descendants among those who fought in that great tragedy. But after I went to the Secretary of States Website and found out that the “rebel flag” version of the Georgia flag didn’t come about until the 1950’s - designed by a trial lawyer (John Sammons Bell) - and replaced a flag designed by the veterans of the Battle of Chickamauga (and our current flag looks a lot like that one) - I immediately changed my position and told the story of the flag to everyone who would listen. It doesn’t take a historian to remember what was happening in Georgia in the 1950’s. See, finding out facts and seeing other perspectives can clarify and liberate. A bigot or racist is someone who can see the light - but chooses not to allow it to clarify their vision.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Funky, I made my last post before I read yours.

First, I think you asked how old I am. I turned 40 this year.

Second, you bring in the statistics of welfare recipients. I wasn’t aware of those stats, but I do have a sister-in-law that works for the state passing out food stamps and I think in Cobb County alone her caseload is more than 8,000. (Okay, I’m joking, but it’s a lot!) Anyway, the stories she tells would boggle your mind. Fraud, lying, cheating, hiding income, having more babies etc., just to get food stamps and government assistance. It happens all day every day.

Now, your point about people working together. I couldn’t agree more. I have said in other posts that I have lots of Democrat friends, and that I like them because they seem to really care about people. They are, in my opinion, more soft hearted than I am. I have always felt that we need folks in both camps in order to get things done. However, I believe that both parties care more about getting thier folks in office than they do about coming together and making good policies. And in that environment, I choose the Republican party because their agenda is more in line with my beliefs.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

If the shoe doesn’t fit don’t wear it Barbara. What I am saying is that there are enough so called republicans that call themselves that because they percieve that the party is the anti-black/hispanic party who would run from J.C. at warp speed. Therefore, just to win an election, the kingmakers in the party would never allow J.C. to get the nod. I distinctly remember when Colin Powell was seriously considering a run for the White House. Quite a few anti-Powell republicans immediately began to attack him on his affirmative action viewpoints. At that time in our history we needed Colin Powell. Yet factions of the party would not accept him. Affirmative action is a racially charged issue and that one thing kept the most qualified man in America to be president from making a run. What a different country it could have been today.

By Dennis the Menice Truth

July 20, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Gee Willikers Mr Wilson, why don’t them black people just become Republicans? Then we can all live happy and together in in our suburbs.

Won’t that be wonderful Mr. Wilson!

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Funky, you keep posting while I’m typing!!!!

Anyway, thanks for having my back. You are the type of person I like having debates with. No name calling, keepin’ it real, and just putting your point out there. I look forward to crossing swords with you again my friend :-)

By deegee

July 20, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Stewart, are you equating the NAACP with the KKK and white supremecist groups?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Amen to Barbara..

That’s dead on. The reality is that the system is broken. When a person in congress gets elected, they immediatedly begin to work towards getting reelected. Whether that means pandering to a corporation or to the low-lifes. My opinion is that at least corporations provide jobs.

By seldomseen

July 20, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

As “president”, though a sorry choice of one, he should go to the convention even if they are hostile to him. He shouldn’t have the right to pick and choose. That is the name of the game he got himself involved in. He should go and take his lumps like a man, and shut up. However being the whimp he is, he will probably not show. He always shields himself from protest and would rather think all things are ok in the Empire. When he is finally out of office it will not at all be too soon. However the affects of his prescence will be felt for generations to come around the world.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

No, I am not equating them. I said that a black man has the right to have an opinion on the KKK and white supremecists groups and a white man has the right to have an opinion of the NAACP.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Hey guys, no matter how we feel about it, Bush is on right now addressing NAACP. It’ll be interesting to see how our conversation will turn after his speech….

By Lance Armstrong

July 20, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

@time for truth

A hybrid?! Do you wear a bow tie also? Get a real bike.

By JM

July 20, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

The NAACP, the Political Black Causus, the Black Chamber of Commerce, the One Hundred Black Men of Atlanta….need I go on? They all spell one thing to me: ENTITLEMENT. If you want to hear some real screams, take away the double standards that white guilt has help to create. Why do we need these organizations in 2006? It must be nice to be afforded the right to assemble under these names and not get blasted in the press as being racist and divisive. Some day there may be true equality and trust me, some of you won’t like being treated equal, it may not be what you expected…being treated fairly and not ‘special’.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

J. Carville,

Having a negative opinion on affirmative action and illegal immigration does not make one a racist. That is just a tactic that the Democrats use to counter republican views.

Republicans don’t like black people Republicans don’t like Mexicans Republicans don’t like old people,

blah blah blah

that’s equatable to saying that Democrats don’t like the military, anti-american, anti-Israel, etc. It’s all a bunch of crap.

By Rod

July 20, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Hey time for the truth, anytime - and yes, I mean ANYTIME you stereotype a race of people in a negative manner, you are being racist. Your comments: “Blacks are still by far the worst example of politically/racially regimented sheeple in the USA. If any blacks start thinking for themselves…” is also offensive. Calling them sheeple - sheep/people (meaning they’ll follow any leader around) is offensive. The comment “IF any blacks start thinking for themselves..” is obviously racist. Having to clarify blacks thinking with an if.

Saying that the Democratic party is being racist to blacks - when it’s the Republican party that is doing everything it can to keep them out - is plain stupid.

Sorry I couldn’t respond to you earlier, but some of us actually work for a living instead of getting everything handed to us. But, again, you as a Republican don’t have as much knowledge of that as the average American does.

By Richard

July 20, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Hey, while Bush is at the NAACP, I think it would be soooooo funny if he pulled off another one of his “oh, I didn’t know the mic was on before I started cussing” and actually said the N-word. Oh, that would be so enjoyable!

By deegee

July 20, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Stewart, couldn’t agree with you more as long as you agree that we are comparing apples and oranges.

Off the subject, but while we are hailing stats on welfare recipients has anyone checked out the stats on Social Security disability claims? I have my suspicion that this is the new face of welfare.

Amelia, amen once again. Today’s unemployment figures are so low that only the umnemployable are jobless.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Rod,

You are just as stereotypical as the person you were calling out.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

JM - You are hopeless my friend.

By Mark

July 20, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Barbara, is that all you got on Clinton? His relationship problems are his and Hillary’s, not the Nation’s. Ronnie Raygun the best ever? Raygun was a figurehead who’s mind was so fried that Nancy probably made most of the decisions after his 3rd year in office.

“Democrats like to keep throwing money at the problem”? No, Democrats prefer to help those in need, which takes money to do. There’s always going to be a certain amount of the budget that will go to social programs so you might as well get used to it. Is the percentage any greater during democratic rule, I don’t know. I’d guess that it probably doesn’t change much no matter who’s in charge. The perception of Republican party is that they’re all about big business and it’s probably true based on the laws that are passed during Republican rule.

How do blacks respond to this? For middle class blacks such as myself I’d like to see the government help people get solid educations so that they can help themselves. Welfare has been a failure for many black families, too many actually, but a lot have been able to climb out from under it inspite of it. For Blacks corporate welfare is more sinister than social welfare any day of the week. That’s one reason why blacks stick with Democrats.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Another Irony - Some of you bring up welfare, food stamps and all of the stuff when the NAACP convo starts. But do some homework and see who the majority of welfare recipients are. But I’m sure you’d be even more surprised that the NAACP would support single white women with children.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

deegee, yes i agree that the KKK and white supremecists groups are a tad bit more harsh than the NAACP. However, I still believe that the NAACP are also racists (although not violent) and that they do a disservice to the black community overall.

By Common Sense

July 20, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Wooten, never fails to amaze me with such ignorance. As soon as the Republican party starts showing that it wants to be inclusive, you won’t see the NAACP as “Democratic Only”. The sad thing is that there are so many brain washed Republicans that buy into this ill informed, bigoted attitude without being actual bigots!

To begin with, the fact that this is Bush’s 6th year in office and this is his 1st visit with the NAACP is an embarrassment for him as a president and the Republican Party in general. Looking at the narrow victory of the first election, he should have made a point to unify the country and what better way to start than to reassure those who were against you in the first place? One thing about being a speaker or any leader you know that everyone is not going to agree with you. As the President, I would think that this would be something that you would have to overcome. It is pitiful that overtime this man speaks his audience has to be pre selected in order not to embarrass him or show him that there are a large group of people who are really unhappy with him and his presidency, including those in the Republican party. That is why leaders spoke to him the way they did at the funeral of Mrs. Coretta Scott King.

Next, why is it always assumed that every African American is a Democrat? We have Black Republicans running for office in many different states. The results from the last presidential election should also illustrate that this is not the case. This is one of the biggest issues that Black America has to deal with on a daily basis. We are not all the same, we do not all think alike, we are individuals so PLEASE STOP putting us into one category because it fits comfortably into your box!

Summer, learn your history. The NAACP could never be associated as a hate group and it is very ignorant of you to even call them that because they disagree with the President. Randy, please read the previous paragraph aloud so you can get it through your head. Truth, it is very obvious that any opinion other than your own is not good enough in your eyes. You fail to see that racism and Jim Crow have existed for over 400 years. 40 years of “equal opportunity” just does not cut it. Many have made strides and many blacks are doing well, but there are far too many left behind. Any statistic shows blacks as the minority in population but with the majority of problems regardless of income & education with housing, health care, education, employment, in the legal system, bank loans, interest rates and the list goes on and on. The NAACP is still needed and highly respected. You appear to be very racist, at least in your ideology and just not man enough to own up to it. Barbara, the NAACP is not trying to bring anyone together. They are there to stop hate and racism from spreading and to make sure that people’s rights are not violated. Please don’t mistake any organization that is Pro-Black as Anti-white. Get Real, where are you getting your statistics from? There has been a decline in teenage pregnancy for the last 12 years or so and a great deal of that is in the Black community. The single mother statistic is from older women in successful careers choosing to be single parents.

Play, I appreciate your optimism and position. Rednecks, you are funny. I like you! Richard, Anonymous and Chip H I applaud you.

By jbmlaw

July 20, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Bush going to NAACP is no more unreasonable than Clinton going to the VFW. By any measure, Bush has never given any indication that he “loathes” people of color, much less put any such thought in writing.

My guess is that the NAACP will be well-behaved during the appearance. Their reputation as knee-jerk socialist-clowns has begun to damage them financially, so this will be their chance to restore a main-stream reputation. NAACP has more to gain from the visit than the president, but that is not a reason to not go.

By Renee

July 20, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

You know, it’s so pathetic when people like Barbara (Republican no matter what) try to point out how bad things were under Clinton. The best they can do is talk about Lewinsky. Get over it. This country was better off than it was under daddy or baby Bush. I’d rather have my President screw an intern than screw the whole country like Bush has done. And Reagan didn’t run anything - his advisors did all his thinking, so why are people like Barbara trying to cannonize him?

This country was lots better off with Clinton - the economy didn’t suck and he didn’t send soldiers to die for no reason. If you’re a Republican just because you always have been, then you need to re-think it.

By Pete

July 20, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

You’re RIGHT as usual - Bush should not go to the NAACP convention. He should only go to fundraisers for the SuperRich - they’re the only ones who benefit from the policies he supports. He does get support from the Righteous Right, most of whom don’t seem to understand they’re voting against their economic self-interest. Why pretend he’s the President of all the American people?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Amelia and Deegee, I find it refreshing to hear that a couple of people who I presume are Democrats acknowledge that the economy is doing very well considering what is going on in the world.

Mark, I said in a previous post that Clinton was a good president. His problems with Hillary are our concern because he worked for us and he sexually harassed someone on public property. He was so flustered by this that he dropped the ball on the Kobe Towers investigation. He also accepted campaign money from a Chinese spy who more than likely transferred some of our most up to date missile technology. Your negative comments on Reagan are a buch of baloney. Barbara probably exaggerated that he was the best president ever, but he is regarded by many sources as the best in her generation.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

The throwing money at the problem argument is one that makes me roll in the floor with laughter. The Bush administration is throwing more money at a single issue…Iraq, than the dems could throw at every single social issue that they allegedly embrace. And guess what folks. No amount of amount of money that is thrown at Iraq is going to make it better. Talk about a giant sucking sound. And it gets even worse when they have to argue over the relative pennies spent to evacuate American citizens from Lebanon and Israel. Before it is over and done Iraq is going to be a trillion dollar briarpatch. Republicans throw money at their pet projects too.

By Earl

July 20, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Nothing is funnier than White people telling us that the NAACP has become a hate group and Black Conservatives are the “real heroes” of today. I take my right to vote very seriously, and I will NEVER vote Republican. I don’t care that Bush is speaking at the NAACP, actions and history speak louder than words, he’s never even acknowledged the group much less agreed to speak at a convention. My question would be, Why Now?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Renee,

Your drinking the Democratic Koolaid. I’m sure you are aware that Clinton and his wife Hillary currently support the war in Iraq. And your fellow democrats just pointed out very eloquently previously that the current economy is doing very well. Do you have a job? Are you starving? I don’t think so.

By Bel

July 20, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

As a black woman, when I become superrich, then I’ll join the Republican party. And not a moment sooner!

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Earl, would you have voted for Abe Lincoln? He was a republican. The Democrats have a senator in West Virgina this very day that a previous KKK member. When do you think he saw the light?

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Amen to Barbara..

That’s dead on. The reality is that the system is broken. When a person in congress gets elected, they immediatedly begin to work towards getting reelected. Whether that means pandering to a corporation or to the low-lifes. My opinion is that at least corporations provide jobs.

Do you mean low-lifes like Ken Lay, Stewart? Just who are these low-lifes that you refer to? Blacks…Mexicans? Who Stewart?

By The real truth

July 20, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bush should talk about this

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

JCarville Yes Ken Lay is a now dead low-life! But I was referring to the people that have the ability to work and choose not to. They hold out their hand and say give me give me. They say we don’t want to pay our fair share of taxes, so lets tax the “producers in our society” disproportionately. Low-lifes my friend come in all colors. Did you see anywhere in my post refering to race or color? Ever wonder why the Kennedy clan has their money in the Cayman Islands? Because they don’t want to pay estate taxes. But he sure wants to tax the guy making $60 grand a year to death.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

So is anybody catching all the “hate” going on at the NAACP Convention?

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

seldomseen, you make a good point. I can see an arguement that the Pres should go because that’s his job. I’ll have to give that one some thought. It’s a pretty good point.

Mark, yeah, that’s one of my main gripes with Clinton. He’s a sex fiend. Sorry, but I expect my president to keep his pants on while he’s at work. That’s a minimum expectation. I don’t really care what those who attack that opinion think. You’ve got a right to your opinion, I’ve got a right to mine. And there’s a big difference between something a President did in his younger years before he took office, versus what he does when he’s in the office. How many of you have never done anything that is out of character for you today? How many???? Let me hear from you. I can’t make that claim. I did a lot of stupid things when I was younger. You can’t compare things that one President did long before he took office to things Clinton did while in office. Granted, Clinton was young for the office, so maybe that’s the problem. Maybe the age limit should be higher. I don’t know….. Anyway, bottom line is, he abused his office for sex.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Voice of reason, are you serious? (I’m guessing you’re kidding, but don’t know enough about you to be sure….)

All I saw was pandering….

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Why so defensive Stewart? Are the bitten dog barking? Now that you have told us who the low-lifes are, tell us who “we” is please.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Barbara - Yes I’m serious. I’m not watching, so I was wondering how the mood was. I hear Condi got some appluase, but I was wondering if the “hate group” gave the president h-ell.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Why so defensive Stewart? Is the bitten dog barking? Now that you have told us who the low-lifes are, tell us who “we” is please.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

The real truth,

The Israeli people are constantly shelled from Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah. It is sad that the people of Hezbollah choose to place their missiles in civilian households and it is also a shame that the Lebaneze government and the United Nations did not clear out Hezbollah? The bottom line is that the Lebanese were complicit in allowing the Syrian and Iranian missiles to come through their airports and roadways. Did they ask for help to stop this? No. I am hopeful that the Israelis will do their best to minimize civilians.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

July 20, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Common Sense - you serve your “moniker” well. Thomas Payne would be proud. Well thought out and concise. I’m off to go make some $$ - please folks, keep the debate going and work to better each other, politicians won’t change race relations and economic issues - the people will, and it’s always been that way.

By Stephen from Fayetteville

July 20, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Summer, you are an idiot for comparing the NAACP to the KKK. As far as I can recall, the NAACP has never lynched anyone.

By Ed

July 20, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Blacks can call whites KKK and rednecks all day long, thats ok to do. Let one white guy question anything about the black community and we are referred to as redneck racist. This is exactly why iditots like McKinney pulling out the race card is a joke now, we just plain and simple don’t care if you call us racist anymore. If want to call someone something, call your elected black officals and tel them you’re tired of the car jackings, the home invasions and the average 3 black on black murders Atlanta daily. Call that. You are your own worst enemy, not me. If you are black you have a far greater chance of being killed or robbed by another black than you are a white guy. Ouch, the truth hurts, does it not.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Voice of reason, keep in mind this is my take on it, and I had to take a few phone calls in the middle, but what I saw was Bush rehashing black history, starting from the slave ships bringing them over, going through civil war and then through the times of segregation, etc., for which he got great applause. Then he addressed education; the room grew a little more quiet. Then he started talking about education assistance and health problems like AIDS, and the room was even more quiet. He also threw in a few “I want to work with the NAACP”s; didn’t get much response to that. He said blacks distrusted his political party; got a pretty big response for that. He talked about going to the Loraine hotel in Memphis. He ended by going around shaking some hands; photo ops…, that’s about all I remember. Nothing earth shattering. Everyone was polite.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Stewart, puhleeeeze! Just who is it that has been sticking the tax weinie to the middle class while giving massive breaks the highest income bracket and corporations? His name is BUSH, Stewart. Today’s tax code belongs to the party that has had basically sole control of tax legislation since 1994!

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Oh my goodness!!! I know this is way off subject, but I just saw a picture of Kofi Annan shaking hands with the leader of Hezbollah!!!! What in the hell is he thinking????? Somebody stop this crazy thing and let me off this planet.

By Harold

July 20, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Bush should not speak at the NAACP.

He should not speak anywhere.

He should STFU.

Funny how we aint talking about his Stem Cell veto.

Harold can’t begin to imagine how many deaths his religious kooky nonsense will cause from diseases that go uncured due to his veto.

His veto is far worse and even more inexcusable than Iraq.

but let’s distract everybody with a naacp speech.

you imbeciles

By Enough

July 20, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Stewart,

I totally agree with you. Cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Boston are a lot more segregated than most cities in the South. However, I was merely pointing out the Southern Strategy, which is a large reason why blacks haven’t voted Republican. GOP Chairman Ken Mehlman has even admitted this recently.

Everyone should remember that most blacks were staunch Republicans from the time of Lincoln up until Barry Goldwater and the Southern Strategy. It all comes down to the ball now being in the GOP’s court and deciding how to court the black vote. If conservatives belittle the suffering that blacks endured for most of our nation’s history rather than addressing concerns of the black community, then they have a long way to go.

By Wonder

July 20, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Hey - did any of you see it?!?!?!

I think I saw Bush say the N-word as he turned away from someone who shook his hand!!! I wonder if the mic was on?

By JK

July 20, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

bottom line is, he abused his office for sex.

Barbara, the fact that some of you, no matter how hard you try, simply cannot stop OBSSESSING over Clinton’s pee pee truly says more about YOU than it does about the former President. Please allow me to remind you that the special prosecutor’s office, under directive of the Republican Congress to “keep it up until you find something” spent THREE YEARS and $70 MILLION digging through everything the man and his wife ever did: every check written, every party attended, every spat where he slept on the couch…. And all they could find was a little consenual bleep bleep? Get a grip. Let it go. If you still care, YOU ARE A SEXUAL PERVERT!

By seeing through the smoke

July 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

deegee —

social security accounts for approximately 25% of the federal budget. means tested programs like TANF, food stamps and housing assistance account for 6%. Social security is, far and away, the biggest social welfare program in the country (corporate welfare programs would be a different story altogether). Although it is usually described as a inter-generationally funded program, the dwindling working generation is quickly causing it to be just another entitlement program that must be funded somehow or done away with.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

JK, good one. Let’s resort to name-calling. That’ll solve things.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Thanks Barbara - I guess they gave him a standing O too. I guess that’s not too bad from a “hate” group.

By the way, thanks Ed! We hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest. You should be glad that blacks are killing blacks. At the rate we are killing each other, the babises are obsolete.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

J. Carville Corporations do not pay taxes! The taxes are passed on to the employees, shareholders and customers. If you don’t pay taxes, your not going to recive any tax cuts. It is simple as that. We should all pay our fair share of taxes. Personally, I support the Fair TAx. It’s a volunatary tax based on consumption and everyone will pay their share. No tax breaks for the rich or the poor.

By Rick

July 20, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

I guess hate groups like the NAACP are not that bad now. Colin Powell should feel safe in speaking to the KKK now. JC Watts should speak to the Southern Heritage Foundation. All about how they both support affirmative action. I guess hate groups like the NAACP are not that bad now.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

Enough,

Ok, I hear you. I agree with you. However I think the South Strategy was a good idea, but was not implemented properly. The demographic changes in our country heavily favor the South and West, but the Republicans should have reached out to the black community much better. The majority of southerners are not racists, unfortunately it seems that the ones that are racists seem to talk much louder. And that is unfortunate.

By David Spivey

July 20, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten,

The one thing you said that I agree with, is Mr. Bush is the president for all of America. He has a responsibility to speak and hear from, all of America. Even those of us who don`t agree with him. That is an important form of education.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

And why do corporations not pay taxes Stewart? If that be the case. Who has held the purse strings and had control of tax legislation in this country since 1994? Edward Kennedy? The Republican party? So who is responsible for the taxing to death of the middle class, Stewart? In a previous post you tried to infer that Kennedy, i.e. the dems are responsible. It is the republicans that are responsible for the most recent changes in our tax codes Stewart. Therefore it is the republican party that is sticking the tax weinie to the middle class.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Rick, I don’t know where you’re going with that statement. I still think the NAACP has turned into a hate group. Just because they can behave and be polite on TV doesn’t mean they’re not. To my more liberal and my black friends, please don’t get offended by this next statement…. but even a serial killer can get dressed up in a suit for court and say “yes sir” and “no sir” to the judge. It doesn’t change what he did when no one was looking. Same for NAACP. It’s not their behavior on TV while Bush is there that we need to look at. It’s what they support, represent and espouse when the cameras are off that I have a problem with. And I’m talking about folks that are associated with them, like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc.

Before we go there, yes, there are white folks that do that too. Not denying that. But there’s no white group allowed to convene in public, that can get away with what the NAACP and it’s representatives do.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Ed,

I am black, liberal, and have never blamed the white man for anything. In fact, I believe that the US is a lot further ahead in race relations than our more “liberal” counterparts in Europe. However,what we see in inner cities across America is the result of hundreds of years of discrimination and oppression. Unfortunately, it all can’t disappear within 40 years. It will take a lot of work and effort from everyone to overcome these disparities.

As far as calling whites who point out social ills in the black community “KKK” or “racists”, I along with most other blacks I know believe that it’s wrong and counterproductive to do as such. I apologize if you have felt insulted in the past.

By Toad

July 20, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Those of you who call the NAACP a hate group — please explain why using facts.

By Lola

July 20, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Um, Barbara? He only vetoed using taxpayer money to fund the stem cell research. He didn’t veto the ACTUAL stem cell research. You might want to educate yourself on the facts a little bit before you start acting like you know what you’re talking about, while at the same time making it crystal clear that you also need to STFU.

By JK

July 20, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Barbara, I’m just trying to help, Dear. The first step is admitting you have a problem. No one is judging you [like you judge others]. With perseverance, I believe you can move past this unhealthy obssession. Perhaps you and some of the others still living in the past (under Clinton’s desk) could form a support group!

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Lola, Huh? What are you talking about? Please refer me back to my post where I talked about stem cell research?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

J. Carville,

I explained to you in the prior post why corporations do not pay taxes..The taxes paid by corporations come out of either the shareholders, employees or customer’s pockets. I presume you can understand why this is so. As far as Ted I was simply showing the hypocrisy of Democratic lawmakers who run around talking about the “tax cuts for the rich” crap. They are just as guilty as anyone of taking advantage of the tax code. Taxes have been cut for all since 1994 except the people that didn’t pay them in the first place.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Barbara - Surely you are not saying that the KKK can’t convene in public! And just a tip … don’t ever preface a statement with don’t get offended, or with all due respect or don’t take this the wrong way or no offense but …

It doesn’t work.

By Angela

July 20, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

The respect that African Americans deserve is well worth Mr.Bush talking to them. Remember he gets an invitation to this event. He is not forced. He took the time to speak because he realizes that the NAACP which was founded by a Jewish women and a Black man have a path that is closed off by the conservative, hate mongers. I say hate mongers- because these are the same christian conservatives- that enslaved, used Jim Crow laws and Discrimination to make life unhappy for African-Americans. The NAACP has not put out a statement condeming President Bush- they have however disagreed with some of his tactics. Like all the GOP has in the last 2 years.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

When Clinto left office a barrel of oil cost right at $20. The budget was balanced. The trade deficit had been lowered. The national debt was miniscule. What will all of these stats be when Bush leaves office? Right now oil is what? $80 a barrel? The deficit has increased by 3 trillion dollars in 6 years. The national debt has skyrocketed, and the trade deficit has hit an all time record high. And then we have Iraq. Who do you think history will be kinder to?

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Voice of reason, I truly did not mean to offend. I didn’t want anyone to think I was associating the NAACP with serial killers. That’s why I said that.

And you can’t deny that a white group would not be allowed to get on TV and lobby for supporting poor underpriveledged whites. And there are poor underpriveledged whites. But they don’t get to have their own category with people lobbying for them. Blacks do. That’s not fair. And what about MWBE requirements for government contracts? Where is equal protection for white people?

By Harold

July 20, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

He didn’t veto stem cell research?

Um. No funding = no research. It ain’t free.

You people really ARE imbeciles.

By Cane

July 20, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

I am black anti-party affiliated; anti-Bush; anti-Kerry; but favors Kerry over Bush; and Gore won the election…You know how the story goes.

But anyway, regardless of what these cowardly white racsists say on the computer and how they carry themselves when they are forced to work around us, the fact of the matter is my people, is that we need to get more involved in national and worldwide politics in order for our vote and community to be taken more seriously, and not just when a white cop goes ballistic on a young black kid, or voice an opinion when affirmative action is threatened. I lived in DC for five years and out of all the protests on the National Mall, the only time we showed up was when Affirmative action was threatened.

Lets get more serious about how politics affect all of us and respect will be trickled down to the community. Also, get more serious about things other than fashion and bling and then we will make these undercover white racists sweat. Yeah I said it.

By Harold

July 20, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Oh, the private sector should pay? Right-o.

I don’t see Bush shutting down the CDC in Atlanta. Shouldn’t the private sector pay for that too?

By concerned citizen

July 20, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

While I don’t agree with everything the NAACP stands for, I believe they serve a purpose…they represent a niche of society that has limited representation. I don’t think Wooten should begrudge African Americans this right, especially since the majority group (white anglo saxon protestants) have several interest groups that represent their beliefs, namely the GOP. What is the GOP if not the largest special interest group in America? It represents WASP’s with unrelenting vigor, quite often to the detriment of America and the other half that only wants to live in a free society, without the government taking religious sides (which is unconstitutional by the way).

Which brings me to the latest blunder of W. I respect Bush’s right to believe that stem cell research is “murder”, but that is a very narrow and uninformed view that neither represents the majority of his own party’s beliefs to say the least the beliefs of the majority of Americans. He wasn’t elected to represent himself and the fanatical right, he was elected to represent Americans, who want stem cell research to be fully explored.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Lola, I’m still waiting for you to tell me why I should STFU due to my post on stem cell research???? Still waiting… What time was my post on that issue???? You want to jump out there and tell me to STFU, but you can’t tell me what exactly it was that I said????

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

J. Carville,

The trade debt is at an all time high because Americans are doing well and demanding foreign products. Look at exports, exports have also risen. Oil prices are at $80 a barrel because demand has sky rocketed (China and India) and their is a huge political risk premium due for reasons I am sure you are aware. I’ll give you the deficit, but it is due to the fact we are at war. Your Clinto supported the Iraq war and he still does. The debt was still very large during the Clinton years however it was trending down because of the budget surplus. However the current debt is really not that bad on Debt/GDP ration compared to recent history, although it is slightly higher than during the Clinton years. You have been trashing the Republican Congress since 1994, but they are more responsible for the positive situation in the Clinton years just as they are the cause for our current situation. The President does not make the laws, he simply tries to drive policy.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Barbara - I’m not offended. I was just offering advice. What category do poor, underprivileged blacks get?

As far as MWBE and several other requirements for govt contracts go - those requirements (not that I agree with them) were put in place because historically these business were discriminated against or didn’t even exist.

White people have not always needed these protections. But if you look, a lot of these organizations that everyone bit-ches about work toward the equality of all people - they just carry names like NAACP because of their historical significance and blah blah blah.

By Shelbee

July 20, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Who cares about the NAACP? I wonder how they would feel if someone formed the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People)? I’ll bet that would ruffle their feathers. What gets me is all the different people that are bashing Bush and the Administration for not responding quickly enough. Give me a break, people! The response to the Katrina victims was so much better than people are making it out to have been. Besides, why is it that certain groups sit around waiting for other people to help them. What needs to happen is these people need to learn how to help themselves. Also, if the African American community has such a problem with unemployment, why don’t they just get up and go get jobs. There are plenty of jobs available in this country, especially now that the government is cracking down on illegal immigration (Thank God!!!). The reason unemployment accross the board is so high, is not because of a lack of work, it’s because it’s much easier to collect welfare. Have more babies… get a bigger welfare check, blow it on yourself rather than your kids. And, it sucks that so many people do that, and the people that do really need help, get skrewed because of it! Also, back to Katrina, how long were people told that a possible class-5 Hurricane was headed their way? Why the hell didn’t they get out before it hit? Because they were sittin on their butt’s waiting for someone else to get them out or tell them what to do. It’s rediculous! The only people that I have any simpathy for during that catastrophy are the elderly and the disabled. They obviously needed help. Why didn’t all the perfectly capable people of New Orleans (Black, White, Asian- doesn’t matter), listen to the warnings that were given days before the Hurricane hit and do whatever they could to get themsleves and their loved ones out of harms way??? Anyone got a good answer to that question??? If I knew a Hurriicane that big, was headed my way, I sure as hell wouldn’t have sat around and waited for a LAME & Pitiful State and City Official, to tell me, “Oh by the way, you might should leave the area!” I would’ve packed up the car or gotten on a bus or a plane and split, along with my family and friends!!! And, if you couldn’t get out, then get to safety and then as soon as the Hurricane passed through, find a boat, or a float, or a piece of wood and paddle your a*s out of there. Oh and one more thing, if you’re gonna live by the friggin ocean… LEARN HOW TO SWIM!!!

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Stewart, corporations DO pay taxes on their profits. They do get subsidies and tax breaks from the government to minmize these taxes. Corporations are included in the tax code Stewart. And please Stewart, before you attempt to “explain” anything to me or anyone else for that matter, take economics 101 first. The more you try to “explain” corporate taxes the stupider you sound.

By James

July 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Question to Black people from an inquisitive white male: If the black population knew a history to be proud of other than overcoming slavery, would the negative social issues be high? If they understood that they are the ones that designed and built the great pyramids (as a civil engineer that amazes me, or that the black race was the first successful result of evolution of the human race.

By James

July 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Question to Black people from an inquisitive white male: If the black population knew a history to be proud of other than overcoming slavery, would the negative social issues be high? If they understood that they are the ones that designed and built the great pyramids (as a civil engineer that amazes me), or that the black race was the first successful result of evolution of the human race.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Bush has no business speaking in front of the NAACP. Why? Well why should Bush speak before an organization that racialized the 2000 election? How about those NAACP-sponsored ads like the one by the daughter of Byrd who sai: “A vote for George W. Bush is like killing my father all over again.” Black children will die. Black churches will burn. Poor people will starve to death. Old people will be pushed down the stairs in their wheelchairs. We’ll be drinking from separate water fountains again.

The NAACP has turned into nothing but a race pimp organization that no longer serves the purpose it once did. All those clowns do is shake down corporations like Jesse Jackasson for personal interests.

@Rednecks -

Your pathetic existence on this forum as the cockroach troll you are bespeaks volumes of your internal anger and your unstable emotional state (probably ‘splains why you are a pathetic neomarxist bedwetting terrorist appeasing liberal). Do yourself and the rest here a flavor: go jump off the I-285 overpass as Spaghetti Junction. Go head, put yourself out of your own liberal misery and save the rest of us from being exposed to it, you creep.

By Toad

July 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Favoring minority owned businesses and affirmative action are methods to attempt to level the playing field. Don’t forget that black people weren’t given citizenship, equal opportunity or education for hundreds of years. These programs do not equal “hate” toward non-blacks.

By GM

July 20, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Stewart I just informed our CFO that we shouldn’t be paying taxes. He is on the phone to the IRS right now trying to get our money back. Thanks for the tip. Hahahahahahahahahah!!! It takes all kinds doesn’t it?

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Shelbee, Shelbee, Shelbee … nevermind. James - That’s possible. But our society has excluded that in the schools. We don’t get that part of history, other than a few special classes during black history month.

What people fail to realize is that society wasn’t set up to help ALL people succeed. We are slowly overcoming that, with the help of groups like the NAACP. People don’t realize that it takes time to overcome the hardships society has inflicted. People are doing it, and trying to make a difference. But most people think because there are a handful of black CEOs and politicians that the struggle is over.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

To a concerned citzen,

Our country is Democratic-Republic, not a pure Democracy. President Bush is simply doing what he believe is right regarding the stem cell issue. I disagree with him on this issue, but that is why we elect our leaders. If he did everything the public wanted then he would be a follower and a pure democracy would not be in our nation’s best interest. ONe thought, he is simply vetoing government involvement. It is still legal, but will not receive government money.

By Common Sense

July 20, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

@ Ed. The crime in Atlanta is not due to race, it is due to poverty and lack of economic opportunity. As far as I know African Americans live throughout the entire state of Georgia. There are large percentages in suburban, mostly white communities without the same crime statistics. Please re-think an entire problem before throwing a quick answer to a complex problem.

@Rick, that was just stupid.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

White hate groups have always been able to assemble in public. But even more important here, do not equate the NAACP with hate groups. The NAACP has members of all backgrounds, does not advocate the supremacy of one group over another, and has never lynched or killed anyone before as the KKK and Neo Nazis have. Yes, they have been the center of controversy before and they have been recently plagued by scandal (Ben Chavis), however over history, they were a positive force for social change.

Poor whites were never explicitly discriminated against by force of law, although their economic situation is just a sbad as anyone else’s. There are plenty of organizations in this country that address poverty, such as the Appalachia Regional Commission and believe it or not, but a lot of institutions of higher learning have had quotas and active recruiting of poor whites over history.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

GM,

If your CFO does not understand this premise, maybe he shouldn’t be a CFO.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Voice, poor underpriviledged blacks get NAACP, they get (can’t remember the exact name, but something like X negro college fund), they get MWBE, etc.

I agree that, in times past, blacks were discriminated against. So were women. But when do these groups have to start doing for themselves without government interference with special programs and MWBE requirements? You must admit that there’s no way to come up with a “test” to see if all things are equal. There will always be discrimination. There will always be people who sterotype and hate. But now these special interest groups only p**s off people who otherwise just want to be treated equally, and those people are moderate whites. I have personally been passed over for a job because the company wanted to give it to a black person because there were currently no blacks in the department. This person had less experience than me, and had bad work habits, but was still promoted over me. (Now that was over 15 years ago, but it happened.) I long for the day when we don’t have any special interest groups anymore and we all just act like people. Not black people, white people, etc. That’s not going to stamp out racism, but it’ll stop calling so much attention to it, and that is a step in the right direction for me.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

HEAR YE, HEAR YE! All you business owners out there listen up! Stewart says you don’t pay taxes. There must be a new tax code. We all need to look into this. This could be the next windfall for all of us.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Shelbee,

Actually David Duke did launch an organization called the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People)…

By getalife

July 20, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

W spewing campaign slogans at the NAACP is rich.

History will show W destroyed the middle east and the middle class.

Illegal immigrants taking away low wage jobs, outscourcing and free trade is W’s legacy.

I am surprised they did not heckle him.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Actually from a bottom line perspective, corporations really do NOT pay taxes. Sure they pay for the BOOKS. BUT, what, do you economic geniuses think companies just absorb those costs of taxation and not pass that along to the consumer in the cost of the goods and services? Surely you people aren’t that economically and business-saavy deficient.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Shelbee,

Actually David Duke did launch an organization called the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People)…

What you need to remember is that the NAACP was started when most institutions in this country were “white only”. The goal of the NAACP was to overcome those obstacles through the court system and also through spreading awareness through publications and media.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

J. Carville, I have taken Economics 101, I have a master’s in Finance. I will explain to you rather quicky.

1) company receives a tax bill..they pay their taxes.. 2) The company does either the following to pay these taxes on their profits. A) They reduce their dividends to their shareholders; B) They take money that they would normally give to their employees through raises or bonues or; C) They raise the prices of their products.

So, theoretically they pay taxes, but in essence they are just reallocating money from the three above to the US government.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

@getalife (you really need to)

“History will show W destroyed the middle east and the middle class”

Just another stupid mindless statement from an idiot liberal. Yeah sport, like the ME was just a BASTION OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY AND EQUALITY FOR ALL until Bush attacked Iraq. God you appeasement leftists are idiots beyond idiots.

By Cane

July 20, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

To James,

We should honor accomplishments of the black human race as much as possible. But the fact of the matter is that they were Africans, and African Americans came into existence via slave ships. After slavery, the porportion of well off whites compared to blacks was overwhelmingly distant, and still is. More whites get a chance to inherit wealth and most blacks never had an opportunity to gain wealth at all even over the course of 400 years. Money fuels peoples perspectiv on America. True Africans from Africa and African Americans think slightly different anyway. Ask any immigrant from Africa and they will tell you.

Look at the financial history and social circle of politicians regardless of race (Prescott Bush-Financing Nazis; Kennedys-Bootlegging; Bush-Bootlegging to oil). Mostly wealth or at least an abundance of money is trickled down in the white community, wheras in the black community; social ills are trickled down; regardless of liberal or conservative in office, the social ills have been the same over time.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Thank you Stewart… I had to post right above just about exactly that way because I couldn’t stand seeing pseudo-econ expert liberals make asses out of themselves.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Barbara - You are preaching to the wrong choir. I never said I agree with “special programs,” I just explained why they exist.

By GREG

July 20, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

I AGREE THAT THE PRESIDENT BUSH SHOULD NOT SPEAK TO THE NAACP. I DON’T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE INVITED PRESIDENT BUSH AFTER HE HAS SNUBBED THEM FOR SO LONG. A PRESIDENT WHO ONLY LOOKS FOR PHOTO OPPOIRTUNITIES AND HAS NOT INITIATED OR SUPPORTED ANY POLICY IN THE INTEREST OF MAINSTREAM BLACK AMERICA IS TRULY A WASTE OF TIME TO HEAR. IF MR BUSH OR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVER WANBT TO HAVE ANY REAL IMPACT OR THE SUPPORT FROM BLACK AMERICA YOU WILL NEED TO CHANGE THE MESSAGE AND START LISTENING TO THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF BLACK AMERICA.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

The North Koreans claim they were aiming their missile at a pod of grey whales to provide sushi for their population. They claim a direct hit, unlike Repudlickan charges that the launch failed and the missile just “crashed” in the ocean.

Have the Repudlickans EVER told the truth about ANYTHING?

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Okay Voice. I think we’ll end our debate on this issue then. (Not because I haven’t enjoyed it, but because we probably have made our points.)

I look forward to our next subject of debate. Have a great day. We will talk again friend.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Thanks for the support. If they only understood how much better we would all be if we could reduce the tax obligations of the citizens and corporations. We would all be much more better off.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

@ Rod

Hey time for the truth, anytime - and yes, I mean ANYTIME you stereotype a race of people in a negative manner, you are being racist. Your comments: “Blacks are still by far the worst example of politically/racially regimented sheeple in the USA. If any blacks start thinking for themselves…” is also

THAT WAS HILARIOUS MATE!!

Within the context of a blog where its not possible to always post a dissertation and anally qualify every single point you make, even for a liberal your response was quite pathetic and disingenuous.

Really its just another empty liberal assertion.

And my (quoted) comment was NOT a stereotype - its a FACT. We are constantly told in surveys etc that around 90% of voting blacks dislike/loathe Bush and the GOP. The NAACP racebaits incessantly, they do this to keep alive the racial spoils industry and to keep their jobs/influence. The wealth and success of blacks (e.g house ownership etc) in the USA is virtually on a par with whites now - allowing for the north/south racial split.

BUt the 70% illegitimate rate for blacks is way higher than for whites - and as no one intellectually honest would dispute - leads inevitable to crime. The hippity hop industry also perpetuates a violent gangsta/crime culture which isn’t seen nationally in white communities to anything like the same degree. Acting white is a black thang and is a problem in schools - getting educated is NOT seen as “cool” in many urban hoods. Time and newsweek and many other media outlets have covered the acting white attitude, as has Bill Cosby whose campaign has stated irrefutable blunt facts about black America.

The NAACP is a hate group, in attitude and tone, it race baits against whites, and discriminates against black conservatives and thos blacks who are not the liberal like NAACP sheeple . Its on the far left politically, and its not supposed to campaign for political candidates because of its tax status but it does.

Racist quotas - which is actually what it is - NOt the distorted “affirmative action” which is just self serving liberal speak. Currently, and for quite some now there’s NO NEED at all for any kind of racist quotas or any other kind of racist discrimination for any group/racs. Its divisive and the “debt” has more than been paid both economically with the trillions spent on welfare/education/housing etc and the decades of institutionalised so called ‘positive’ discrimination. the playing field is about as level as its goinmg to be now. BUt liberals deliberately continue to play the race card, knowing that vote buying and pandering will keep the 90% or so black vote wrapped up.

Southern whites do NOT vote in anything like the same numbers for the GOP that blacks do for the demoncrats!! So yet more liberal lies/dishonesty!!

What do you mean ” a real bike”? I have a mtn bike too. Those poxy racing bikes with the razor sharp saddles and drop handelbars are appalling to ride and no fun at all!! Are you one of these sad clipless cycling obsessives? I just enjoy the road mate!!

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Likewise Barbara.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Political Toadskin…

Your boyz on the left like Gore and Kerry couldn’t even keep their own damned stories straight on what they did in Vietnam. Aren’t you just the typical pathetic marxist liberal who just says “lie” “lie” “lie” all the time. You people need to be pull string dolls. “LIE!” LIE! LIE! LIE! LIE!

Idiots.

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

I debit Stewart’s comment with stupidity, and I credit that to the jackazz who first decided to call accounting ART.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

rod

that should read around 90% of blacks vote democrat

By A.C

July 20, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

The liberals have a ‘new program” called a New Direction for America and its leader is no other than Screamin Howard Dean. it will work just perfectly for the blacks. What he is preaching that he wants to take us all back to the liberalism of the 60’s. U remember the days of the 60’s right? Lets look back, urban riots, political assassinantions,peacniks versus G.I.’s returning from Nam. The great society of LBJ, hand outs, potheads, hippies and yippies Howard remembers a time when everyone was in it together way before it takes a village approach of Skillary the hilderbeast was popular.Howard said we made some mistakes back then with all the handouts we gave out. Look what we did for poor people with public housing, “We essentially created ghettoes for the poor” Do u really think that Kerry, Ted the Swimmer and skillary including Billy Clinton are champions of and for the poor? Lets throw in Al, Jesse, Charlie Rangel and Cynthia the felon I havnet passed any legislation Mckinney are supporting this nostagla trip back to the 60’s its the democratic way. Hold u back keep u down..MLK would never approve of going back to this case of liberalism at its best.What a plan, what a vision, WHAT A NEW DIRECTION. I dont think that Mr. King would go back but that is the question that blacks need to ask themselves.Its the Democratic way after all so it must be the way to go…

By Political Foreskin

July 20, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Well!

By Curious Observer

July 20, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Please, people, at least get the West Virginia senator’s name right: it’s Robert C. Byrd. And if you bothered to read his autobiography, published last year, you would find that he has apologized frequently for joining the KKK as a young man and has expressed regret over it on numerous occasions. But it’s pretty obvious that many of you have trouble wading through even a simple newspaper column.

Otherwise, after reading many of the posts here, I maintain my position on W and his neocon legion. The epitaph of W will and should be “He made racism respectable again.” Some of you can barely avoid using the N word; among your own kind, you probably use the more polite “Negra” in public. You’re simply eaten up by the thought that some black family might need part of your taxes to survive. When I heard your beloved Sonny’s boast Tuesday night that he had helped remove 80 percent of the recipients from the Georgia welfare rolls, it occurred to me that he pretty well summarized you. You gleefully deprive innocent kids of food, then proceed to your churches to congratulate one another on what fine people you are.

By Cane

July 20, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

The NAACP was necessary back in the day. It may still be necessary for some reasons, but what if there was a NAAUP (National Advancement of All Underprivilaged People), would it still be a hate group?

The concept is the same, but because the word Colored is in NAACP, is that why it is being called a hate group? Sure the NAACP tried to throw race into the political election but it wasn’t their fault for making that dum move. Like I said earlier, until we get more vocal on issues that affect all of America, our community and vote will not be taken seriously.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Bush is wasting his time at the NAACP - just like he did at the recent King funeral when he was abused for his statesmanlike gesture by boorish black activist types with no class or sense of occasion.

Bush wont generate any real bounce for the GOP - the NAACP is as close minded to him as any other far left group. Whilst it shouldn’t just be about votes of course, I see nothing else to be gained from his appearance, other than a few fleeting mealy mouthed grudging half compliments from the slightly less hysterical leftist black activists.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin,

I’m sorry that you can’t comprehend my explanation. I wish you the best of luck in your future pursuits. You’ll need it!

By Lance Armstrong

July 20, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Just kidding you Time for Truth…

anybody that takes on the roads in this state is ok in my book…

But yes, I’m one of those obsessive roadies…by the way, go Landis!

But to be on topic, is the NAACP even relevant anymore?.. Seems like blacks have been moved to the back of the queue as far as being victims what with all the noise about gays and immigrants these days.

Bush must have had a slow day scheduled for today…that’s why he’s there.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Truth, what kind of reception did you think he would get? Him and Coretta weren’t exactly on the same page.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

@ curious pinko

yet more pathetic liberal racebaiting - and you wonder why we GOP types just laugh at you!!

Your absurd assertions about Bush are just empty rhetoric.

If the NAACP was politically neutral or at least non partisan- and embraced ALL blacks, not just overwhelmingly leftist/far left blacks then it would be an acceptable lobbying group.

C.O.R.E is an example of a decent black run civil rights group that doesn’t race bait and isn’t politically extreme.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Thanks for the support. If they only understood how much better we would all be if we could reduce the tax obligations of the citizens and corporations. We would all be much more better off.

Stewart I thought corporations didn’t pay taxes. You sound like John Kerry flip flopping around the deck.

By GM

July 20, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Stewart needs to quit while he’s ahead. The more he tries to explain himself the worse it gets.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

I am ahead GM. You guys obviously can’t comprehend.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

I thought that for a couple of hours the race baiters et al might actually respect the fact he came as the president, not a GOP politician, to honour a woman who I honestly felt was not worth honouring. Now before you get all uppity and screech racism, Rosa Parks really was worth honouring, KIng was a nasty, extremely arrogant,venal woman who SADLY like the rest of the KIng family was in it for the money/prestige. Rosa Parks was a dignified gracious lady who was infinitely morally superior. BUt she didn’t have the King name!!

By Amelia

July 20, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

By Markus

July 20, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Political Toadskin…

Your boyz on the left like Gore and Kerry couldn’t even keep their own damned stories straight on what they did in Vietnam. Aren’t you just the typical pathetic marxist liberal who just says “lie” “lie” “lie” all the time. You people need to be pull string dolls. “LIE!” LIE! LIE! LIE! LIE!

What story about Vietnam could Gore not get straight Markus? Can you cite a specific instance where he couldn’t get it straight? He was an Army journalist that spent 6 months in Vietnam. I don’t remember him ever being unclear about that at all.

By Voice of Reason

July 20, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Truth - No need to hash this out since you personally knew Coretta so well. But just because he came as the president doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have discussed the issues and policies that she stood for and/or opposed.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Lance

fair enough about the cycling then …

The NAACP isn’t relevant any more. as my posts at least implicitly suggest. Not just because of the homosexuals and illegals either. Happily civil rights is really not an issue anymore, but the NAACP desperately want to keep it as one so the racial spoils and their jobs etc remain. hence their shrillness.

Bush is there because he has this stubborn streak and he wants to be seen as being inclusive, and also he rather obtusely thinks it will make some kind of a difference (to the GOP) which it clearly wont, maybe a few soundbites - but nothing substantive or lasting.

I hope the bloody french dont come after me suggesting I’m using steroids if I get above 20 mph on the Silver Comet.

By CFO

July 20, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Stewart if you have a Masters in Finance I’m president of the United States. You went from sounding like a 10th grade dropout on the subject of corporate taxes to having a Masters. Don’t insult people Sterwart. You disappeared from the blog long enough to get your “Masters” post from googling. Give it up. You’ve been exposed.

By GM

July 20, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

You’re right Stewart. It is very difficult to comprhend the ramblings of a total idiot.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

its irrelevant @ how well I personally knew KIng … just like it is for the left and their ‘personal’ knowledge of Bush. Its perceptions based on facts/comments/attitudes/behaviour on planes and treatment of Delta staff etc etc.

Discussing the issues before/after he was there is fine - dont care about that - they were typical boorish lefties though!!

By Qwesi

July 20, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

The NAACP is not relevant anymore, and its leadership has other objectives than advancing the cause of Black Americans. In 20 years it will defunct.

Bush had nothing to gain by going.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Hail to the chief CFO!! A corporation is simply a legal instrument. The stakeholders in this instrument are the shareholder (owner), employees and customers. A pile of legal documents (i.e. a corporation) cannot pay taxes, it’s stakeholder’s do.

By Karen

July 20, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Bush is going to be speaking but will not take any questions which explains why he’s doing this. Now we can see his picture splattered on the front page of every major newspaper and in Black publications such as JET, Ebony, etc. skinning and grinning for the cameras. How disgusting!

By Borat

July 20, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

In my country, the black man is racialist against the white man.

By Amelia

July 20, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

To a concerned citzen,

Our country is Democratic-Republic, not a pure Democracy. President Bush is simply doing what he believe is right regarding the stem cell issue. I disagree with him on this issue, but that is why we elect our leaders. If he did everything the public wanted then he would be a follower and a pure democracy would not be in our nation’s best interest. ONe thought, he is simply vetoing government involvement. It is still legal, but will not receive government money.

I finally agree with you on something Stewart. He also demonstrates common sense and logic with his stance on immigration. He isn’t letting the nativist majority push him into taking a populist stance on that issue for sure.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Karen’s idiocy doesn’t disappoint!!

By ckt

July 20, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

markus - no liberal is saying that it was a “bastion of peace and prosperity” as you seem to believe. what we ARE saying (and try to listen, i know it’s hard, fox news shouts really loud, and i’m using subtle facts) is that for the past decade it has been STABLE. we are discussing a region where tribal war goes back thousands of years, where religious differences are unimaginable to our little protestant ears. and for decades, middle east foreign policy analysts have discussed not freedom, but stability.

another interesting thing about all these posts is how everyone seems to assume we all live the same life. same income, same house, same car, same religion. this is the issue with southern suburban republicans - the thought that all is fine, because i am fine. bush has cut 15 billion in veteran affairs, but you tell me I don’t support the troops? sonny has cut over 1 billion in education funds, but you say, “why doesn’t everyone just do it on their own..” the easy answer to that is, not every child starts out with 2 loving parents, middle-class lifestyle, and nice shoes.

wake up. people live and believe different things. this is a world of shade and color, not black and white, and sadly, most republicans and some liberals refuse to believe this. LET’S HAVE HONEST DEBATE AND STOP ACTING LIKE 7 YEAR OLDS. I am amazed grown men and women on here really believe liberals are “marxists”. grow up. you sound like an idiot, and this world thinks you are..

anyone here think markus was actually in a war? i got 10 bucks he lives with his parents - no one of substance would insult a veteran. and there is one fact here - bush was in the national gaurd, kerry was in vietnam - sadly, again, reality (and the pictures) have a liberal bias….

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Amelia,

Good point! You may be right. I personally think that the border should be shut down first. If you have water-pipe blow, you plug the leak before you have your whole plumbing system replaced.

By On the other hand:

July 20, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

All of my african-american friends go to the pulpit for their recommendations on which brother to vote for. THey get their dose of religion and politics in a one stop shop. The message to them is: we don’t care what the platform is , he’s black and we will get him elected. It’s sad and I love my friends dearly but they follow suit and never deviate from years of listening to their religious laymen.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

kerry took his box of band aids over with him for his purple hearts, along with his home movie camera for his political camnpaign ads etc.

My postman was a master sergeant in Nam in an army combat unit and he dealt with the wounded in the field. He and other vets I’ve talked to and heard talking are comtemptuous of kerry. Many vets who got wounded very badly didn’t take even one purple heart. Kerry self inflicted one - and the others were just minor sctatches … if he was such a bloody national hero how come he ran away after only a few months as soon as he could with his 3 purple heart ticket home?

By Enough

July 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth,

I won’t speak for the King children, but Coretta as “exremely arrogant and venal”? Are we talking about the same woman? A woman who built friendships with politicians on both sides of the aisle?

All your posts have been nothing but anger and rage. Why are you so hostile? Were you this hostile in your native country as well?

If you would just relax a little and research American history a little more, you will see that the history of race relations in this country transcends the whole “liberal vs. conservative” hype.

As far as “race baiting”. Yes there is race baiting—i.e. McKinney and the Capitol Police fiasco, however speaking about existing conditions that are a residual of past institutional racism in this country is not race baiting.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

CKT,

It’s hard for conservative republicans to temper our propoganda when we are continually called rascists and fascists. It cuts both ways. Yes the middle east was comparitively a little safer, but 911 has changed things. Like Al-Quaida, Hezbollah and Hamas have decided to not only target Israelis but Americans as well. They are getting more and more bold, and Diplomacy goes only so far.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

KIng tried for years to get multimillions for papers that are not worth very much … yet MLK gave away the bulk of his collection to BU for NOTHING!! THey charged for every use of the KIng name/imagery etc. Even the AJC hammered them for it!!

The KIng centre is badly run down, the staff poorly paid, yet the KIng family get paid very well. C. KIng was haughty and arrogant, and what about her jury tampering antics in the Abernathy trial? She was a legend amongst Delta staff for her snottiness!!

Now we get the “you’re hostile” card … its fun playing with imagery/words - winding up liberals is half the on fun here.

I dont need any lectures on US race history!!

“existing conditions that are a residual of past institutional racism in this country is not race baiting”

I simply dont accept that’s really the case any more. certainly its nowhere close to how it used to be 40 years or more ago.

By RetiredLTC

July 20, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

So Stewart, give us your OPLAN for solving the Middle East crises. At what point should diplomacy be abandoned? What would be your course of action? We are already aware of your economic genious, so maybe you will be a little more lucid with foreign affairs.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Time for the truth, my friend, you’re just pi$$ing against the wind. You’ll never get through to these folks. So if you feel something wet, run Time for the truth…’cause it sure ain’t rain!

By Enough

July 20, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

“Now we get the “you’re hostile” card … its fun playing with imagery/words - winding up liberals is half the on fun here.”

“Calmer than you are, dude” -Big Libowski

By deegee

July 20, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

On the other hand, where were you during the pre-election blogs? I can’t count how many times I saw, “I’ll vote for the christian conservative because they are more aligned with my values”.

By Announcement

July 20, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Attention Time for Troof,

Your diarrhea of the fingers is emitting a particularly foul-smelling waste today. Unless YOU wore an American uniform and fought in Vietman, then you need to STFU about those who did. That is all.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

I’m just quitely having fun mate …

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

I’m just quietly having fun mate …

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

I’m just quietly having fun mate …

By Toad

July 20, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

OH, now I get it. I thought maybe Fox News came up with this “NAACP is a hate group” nonsense. But I googled and guess what? It was hate groups that started it.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth,

Seriously, I’m not close to being mad. I’m just engaging in a conversation. No doubt, the King family has run the King Center in the ground, but I still won’t bash Mrs. King. Her kids are money hungry, but Mrs. King herself remained in the same house in Vine City until the last year of her life.

As far as the remaining effects of racism, 40 years is nothing compared to 400 years. It takes a couple generations to overcome that legacy. You have to realize that when blacks were being oppressed by Jim Crow, black children were taught their limits instead of their possibilities. Additionally, a cycle of poverty ensued with little access to resources. Legislation like the Civil Rights legilation of the 60s were the first step. Now the next step is making sure that blacks have the same resources and opportunities as everyone else.

When you are seeing a growing black middle class, you are seeing progress. However, you don’t have to travel far to see we still have a way to go. Yes, race relations are extremely better than 40 years ago, but now we have to clean up the mess that resulted from institutional racism. We won’t get their by finger-pointing or name-calling, but by working together and ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to work their way up the ladder.

By J.Carville

July 20, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

LTC expect a lengthy absence from Stewart. Right now he is busy trolling google trying to find the Donald Rumsfeld plan for fighting the entire world with nothing left to do it with but a can opener. But rest assured he will return with something, however ridiculous.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC,

The people in the middle east respect strength! If the American people were all to get on the same page as far as fighting Islamic Militism, it would go a long way without ever having to go to war. Diplomacy should never be abandoned, but we all must be willing to fight when we need to. The world negotiated with Hitler for almost a decade as he built his military and increased his anti-jew rhetoric. Iran will only gain in strength if we allow it run it’s current course. If they are allowed to get a nuclear weapon, this Hezbollah uprising will become more frequent. They may never use their weapon or give them to Hezbollah or Hamas. I’m a little old school, and what I would do would be illegal. I would have special force troup take out the President and the Mullahs of Iran, and North Korea as well. This will be most difficult because our human inteligence was literally destroyed by the Clinton administration. Ultimately, I would rather fight them now before they gain in strength and their economic fate becomes more intertwined with China.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

@ MoRoNiC announcement

your doltish XENOPHOBIC opinion is of NO consequence at all!!

a legitimate debate on the integrity and veracity of the DEFEATED LIBERAL candidate is absolutely reasonable.

But cheers for the brainless moral fascism …

your’re right kidding … but making them all look so stuuuuupid is so easy its kinda hard to resist!! note that this one is backing off on certain empty liberal assertions now!!

By K.Rad

July 20, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Stewart - Get a clue dude. How dumb can it be to ask a black man - who would have been a slave incidently - if he would have voted Republican for Abe Lincoln? Just listen to that oxymoron! That is laghable and moot - especially since those slaves whom were “freed” by President Lincoln were not allowed to vote thereafter. Would you have been a Dixie Democrat? Duh. ANYWAY - I agree with Wooten, and many Republicans posting on this blog: It’s lame for Bush to even bother speaking before the NAACP. Most of what comes out of his mouth is lies.

By can't be bothered

July 20, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

If you ignore Time for the Truth he will go away. Really, it works.

By Toad

July 20, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Stewart, if you really knew anything about corporations you’d know that the corporation is considered a person under law, not a stack of papers. If a corporation can have earnings it can pay taxes.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

KRAD,

The “black man” said that he would never vote for a republiacan no matter who the person was. I was simply making a point. NO one should vot e strictly on party affiliation. There all out for themselves. And there you go again presuming that I’m a rascist. Do you actually read and give thought to the posts?

By RetiredLTC

July 20, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

OK Stewart, so you would assassinate the above individuals. This will undoubtedly result in the ratcheting up of hostilities. This action alone will not end the crises. For every action there is a reaction. What next Stewart?

By getalife

July 20, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Jim,

You are correct.

Why would W even try to spew campaign slogans at that venue.

I see desperation for the GOP.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC: I’m just curious, how would you handle the Middle East situation. Would you pattern your “diplomacy” after that of the great Neville Chamberlain, or maybe of the great Bill Clinton in North Korea, giving them nuclear technology because “they said” they wouldn’t use it for war? Didn’t that go wonderfully. How ‘bout the Jimmy Carter “diplomacy”. It got Anwar Sadat killed, remember? In fact Republican or Democrat, just whose “dimplomacy” would you use since it’s all worked so well all these years. Personally I’d give Israel a green light and say sic ‘em boy! Clean up that hell-hole once and for all…BEFORE they get nuclear weapons.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

I have no desire at all to see any blacks, or anyone else (except so called French Americans grin) held back in the USA - oh and shrill liberal racebaiters and some vile rap stars etc …

C KIng for me was an unpleasant venal woman - lets leave it at that … Although I agree she didn’t exactly do a Winnie Mandela with her housing arrangements. You’re right about her kids though - that (finally) shows some honesty - took a few posts though :)

A black middle class is undoubtedly a good thing, so long as they dont get any ‘extras’ nowadays just for being black. I dispute the notion there is still a mess from institutional racism though … thats the new ploy to keep the racial spoils trough full - or at least half full!!

Unfortunately there is still a good deal of finger pointing in many parts - but by no means all of the black community (nationally). Whites happily have by and large left racism behind and hopefully that will never ever repeat itself. Even in the south. That’s my perception as a foreigner who is now a US citizen too.

I’m simply being honest and blunt mate. Something many Americans dont like or aren’t used to. I assume you’re probably black - given your doggedness on this topic . I’m white and from England and of course my family never lynched anyone - I’m the VERY first one in my family to cross the Atlantic.

I’m off out to the local Harrods to buy some cornbread and moonpies now - talk to you later!

At least you were nice and civil - unlike some on here - so until next time …

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Toad, I’m glad to know that paid attention in your Business Law 1 class. You are still missing the point I am making. The corporation does not incur the costs of paying the taxes, the corporation’s stakeholders do.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

You just need to clean your glasses getalife!

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

July 20, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Save the Snowflake Baby Seals!!!!

By Lola

July 20, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

TOTAL apologies to you, Barbara!! It was Harold’s post, not yours, that I was referring to. MY BAD!

By Larry

July 20, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Jim: G’day! Bush and NAACP: typical election year shenanigans. Redneck: Did you catch my recent comments to you, you ignorant cretin?

By Toad

July 20, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Stewart, I get your point, but it would have been better if you said that in your first post instead of stating that corps don’t pay taxes. Regardless of who is ultimately responsible, it the Fair Tax is adopted, how do we make up for the amount of taxes paid by corporations? Please don’t say again that corps don’t pay since the tax payments are in their name. It is hard for me to believe the Fair Tax is revenue neutral if corporations get off the hook and consumers are left to make up the difference.

By CFO

July 20, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

JEEEEZ Stewart. The shareholders recieve a dividend based on the corporations bottom line. The corporation has ALREADY paid the taxes. The shareholders pay taxes on their stock dividends. Taxes effect the bottom line of the corporation for sure. But Stewart, get it through your thick skull that even though taxes contribute to the bottom line, taxes are not paid directly by anyone but the corporation. A corporation that more skillfully uses the tax breaks and loopholes available to them naturally can choose to distribute the resulting profit to the employees or in dividends to the stockholders.

By Larry

July 20, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Barbara: I totally agree with you. Right-wingers claiming to be more Christian reminds me of the scribes and Pharisees (the hypocrite religious leaders)in Jesus’ time who told others how to live but did not follow their own teachings.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC,

I presume that you are a military man. Maybe you should explain to me your OPLAN. My hope would be that if we took out the leaders of these countries that someone with some sense would take control. This may very well fail, but so has years of Diplomacy.

By can't be bothered

July 20, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Stewart lives vicariously through Neal Boortz. If tomorrow’s Nealz Nuze said that corporations do in fact pay taxes Stewart would be telling us all how that happens, provided Neal spells it out for him.

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

July 20, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show Bush testing cellphones and saying, “I love chewing gum…..I think the United States should boycott tuna…..And I was supposed to be the only one groping the Chancellor and then Tony Blair started groping her too, and so I said, ‘whatever’, and he said, ‘whatever’, and then I said, ‘whatever’……

By Lola

July 20, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Harold - if there is so much promise in stem cell research, why aren’t the pharmaceutical companies fighting over who gets the rights to do it? Yes, I think it should be privately funded and not paid for by my tax dollars. The CDC works to prevent diseases that can affect the entire nation. Stem cell research would benefit only certain groups of people, and should not be funded by taxpayer money. It’s really you who should get a clue and STFU.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Toad,

There are much better sources than me regarding the Fair Tax. From what I understand though that it is revenue neutral, so it will be made up from other sources. Such as illegal immigrants, tourist from other countries, the underground market, etc. I believe that the taxes paid on corporate profits (ok people i reworded this time) make up only 10% of total collections. This blog has been an ongoing conversation, so I did not put all of my opinions on every post. CFO, I give up explaining it to you.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth,

A true Southerner bakes their own cornbread instead of buying it already made. As far as moonpies, those things are far more unhealthy than black pudding.

By RetiredLTC

July 20, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

No Stewart. You started, now finish the drill. If you have no further idea how to do it just say so. You will be no further behind than the people trying to deal with it for a living. I will say though that a military solution at this point is not an option. Further de-stabilization would be disastrous. A logical reaction to increased military force by the U.S., to include your Assassination scenario could logically lead to an oil embargo. Then you’ve really got a mess on your hands. Any military move Stewart can have disastrous econimic impact here at home. To those of you in the “kill em all, let God sort em out crowd”, I caution you to think little beyond the end of your noses. And also bear in mind that a tremendous amount of resources is required to expand military involvement. Think people. Even when diplomacy fails war might not be the answer.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Can’t be bothered

Just because Neal Boortz says it, doesn’t make it a non-fact, or a fact for that matter. But this is basic common sense!

By Toad

July 20, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Stem cell research would benefit only certain groups of people Like old people? (alzheimers) Young people? (juvenile diabetes)

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Lola. I was hoping you’d see that. I have to admit though, any time someone says STFU I have to laugh. My kids’ friends use it on their xanga and myspace pages, and it took me forever to figure it out. I don’t agree with a single thing Harold has ever said, but I was even laughing at his use of it. You know how some words are just funny??? That one is so funny to me.

Apology accepted.

Larry, that’s a good point. We call those folks in our church “super christians”. They’re too holy for us to hang out with. I think the early morning poster’s heart was in the right place, and I think in general the conservative views seem more in line with Christian views, but there are also some liberal points that have a Christian ring to them (like sharing, and trying to help the poor). I really believe that most people think they’re doing the right thing, but I just happen to disagree with some of them.

By Glass half full

July 20, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Basically the tenor of the article/blog was this: Bush got elected twice without having to address the NAACP so he should have stuck to his guns by never having shown up- not because he doesn’t like black people (debatable), but because those black people don’t like him. If difference of opinion is what democracy and the constitution are what this country is all about, then the “leader” of the US should feel a sense of obligation to face all of his constituents- particularly an organization as storied as the NAACP(i say this excluding whatever the organization still does/not contribute to politics today). That logic of “they dont like me, i wont like them” strikes me as a bit glib.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC,

Diplomacy has already led to high oil prices. These games are being played by Iran in order to increase the oil prices. Supply and Demand is in check right now with oil, but the political risk premium is at an all new high. If diplomacy is not the answer and war is not the answer? I’m interested in your opinion.

By RetiredLTC

July 20, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

So what do you do when Israel gets the “green light” and gets wiped from the face of the earth. That is entirely possible Ugottabekidding. Do we sit back and watch or do we get involved and risk the economic disaster that surely would follow. Stick to blogging Ugottabekidding. Fortunately you are not the president or the Secretary of State.

I salute you all. Drive on.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Oh, and now that my record of not commenting on stem cell research is clean,….. now I’ll comment. I’m against the embryonic stem cell research. I’m fine with other approaches, but I happen to agree with the President taht embryonic research crosses a moral boundary and I do think people will be “creating” embryos to use for stem cell research. I understand some will argue that they use embryos that would be discarded by fertility clinics after a successful pregnancy, but I’m not comfortable with that either. I believe an embryo is a human life and I don’t think we should sacrifice one human life for another. Okay Lola, that is my take. We can debate it if you want, but I did want to make sure I get credit for my own opinion on that issue :-)

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Glass half-full

“Bush got elected twice without having to address the NAACP so he should have stuck to his guns by never having shown up- not because he doesn’t like black people (debatable)” Bush has placed many black people in positions of power in his administration and it is a well known fact that he and Condi have been very close friends for ever. What is debatable? Maybe his view on how to help them is.

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

July 20, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

I think we need to rewrite the First seventeen chapters of the Keynesian Theory of Economics and replace it with Stewarts last 47 posts. I wonder what think tank is missing it’s star wit.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

I was actually joking @ the moonpies and cornbread. I dont care for either. Black pudding is really a northern English thang … particularly Lancashire, though its not quite as vile as a porridge gobbler’s haggis!

By deegee

July 20, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Lola, I’m having a problem following your logic. Your subgroup of people that could become sick from a disease that stem cell research could prevent is not part of a larger group formed by the entire nation? If no one in this nation ever contracts Ebola virus does that mean that the CDC should not be funded to research that?

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth, if you ever get curious, I can make you some cornbread that will convert you. I was born and raised in the south. I make mine in a cast iron skillet and it is goooooooooooooood. I just might have to make some tonight……

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC: At this time in the Middle East, who is capable of “blowing Israel from the fact of the earth”? No one! I understand that we’ve got to have some kind of diplomacy, while we’re “talking til we’re blue in the face”, the Iranians are busy developing those nuclear weapons to blow Israel from the face of the earth.” What are you going to do with your “diplomacy” then Colonel? Surely you’re not naive to think that the Iranians won’t use nuclear when they get it…

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

The Think Tank of “Common Sense”

By RetiredLTC

July 20, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Ugottabekidding if Syria, Iran, the Lebanese, and other Islamic nations combine forces, it is possible that Israel can be defeated. The carnage will be unimaginable in any case. And yes Stewart, oil is $80 per barrel up from $20 in 1999. Maybe the foreign policy that we have adapted is the wrong one. However, how much higher can it go if hostilities are ratcheted up. Some of you are not using common sense and logic now. I realize that it is sexy to want to blow em all up. But fellas. It won’t make it better.

By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Hi folks, from Liecester Square, London UK tonight. Greetings to all ye in the Klandom of Georgia. For those wondering how Liecester is pronouned, Ugotta’s uncle’s name would be spelled Fiecestus.

I see the trash is out in force today. Will try to catch up with all the half-witticisms from Wooten’s harem of scared trash - I’ve got some time to kill this evening.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

Thanks to you my stomach is now growling. Good cornbread knows no political boundaries.

By Toad

July 20, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Time for Truth and Barbara,

Now I’m agreeing with y’all. As an adventurous eater I tried black pudding and haggis in the UK. TfT, haggis is far worse. And Barbara, yes, the best corn bread is made in a cast iron skillet that’s been pre-heated so the corn meal mixtures sizzles as you pour it in. Yum!

By Amelia

July 20, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Thank you LTC. You are one of the few people here that seems to be able to clearly think through cause and effect. Fortunately the wannabe warriors on this blog don’t have the fate of this country or economy in their hands. I salute you.

By AM

July 20, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Who cares. The colored people hate him anyway and so do most intelligent white Americans. Since his 2 terms are up maybe he can be the decider for the middle east. That’s were his little brain is anyhow!

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

London papers today are full of pictures of blown up children (and parts of blown up children in Lebanon). You bloodthirsty rednekkk morons would love it, almost as much as your daddies and granddaddies loved lynching black folk.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Enough, nor does it know racial boundaries either. Ya know, the best little “new” secret, taught to me by one of my black friends, was to add about a tablespoon of mayonaise to the batter. Makes it extra moist. Yummm!!!

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC,

With all do respect,

Demand has increased tremendously since 1999 by China and India. OPEC estimates that the current equalized price of crude oil should be around $60. 911 doesn’t have anything to with our current foreign policy? What do you suggest we do? “Thank you, may I have another” may work in your realm, but not in mine.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Some Brit POS posted earlier regarding the bastardy rate in the UK.

I agree, the women here are easy. But not near as easy as where you are, bubbas. That is, if you liked women.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

RetiredLTC: My only point is that it’s almost 60 years since the formation of Israel. The only reason that some of those morons haven’t blown Israel off the face of the earth is because they haven’t had the means. Not if, but WHEN Iran gets nuclear weapons with the same kind of idiots in power it’s gonna be bye-bye Israel AND Middle Eastern oil outlets. Then see what it does to oil prices.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Retired LTC

God forbid, Israel has over 100 nuclear weapons. There is no way that the three countries you mentioned could destroy Israel. If they could, they would have already.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Redneck STFU (thank you Harold and Lola for reminding me of this little phrase).

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Maybe Bush will use his NAACP speech to donate his infant brain to stemcell research.

But they probably get all the monkey brains they want.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Ah Barbara - a Georgia Peach if there ever was one - oops a typo - I meant to say a Georgia POS if there was one.

Seriously, girl, you’d love all the pictures of the dead kids and blown up houses in the papers here - make a rednekkk POS like you feel all good and tingly inside.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Redneck: Did you think that up all by yourself today or did you find it in a book somewhere? You just amaze me with your “intelligence”. SMART A*S is the only thing smart about you bubba. You ought to be THE poster boy for abortions. It’s a pity that your poor mother apparently didn’t believe in it. I don’t believe in abortions, but I’d make an exception in your case fairy breath.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

That sounds very good!

Everyone Else,

In regards to the Middle East, Israel has made its point by dismantling half of Hezbollah’s capabilities. We should now give diplomacy a chance—not necessarily by the UN, but by another third party perhaps.

Second of all, we need to invest more heavily in developing alternative energy in order to reduce our reliance on oil. If you decrease the demand for oil, then the price of oil drops, meaning that revenues for regimes like Iran and Syria drop, thus causing radical leaders like Ahmadnijehad and Chavez to talk a little less trash and become a little more grounded in reality. Also, it would make it easier to marginalize Iran should it choose to continue undermining peace in the region. Clearly, now is the best time to start developing and implementing alternative fuels.

By sick of the truth

July 20, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Truth it’s amazing how you try to disguise your ignorance as an intellectual genius. Tell me this, when did you become an expert on Black people. In one of your early post’s, you try to rationalize why these racist extremists, you probably are a member of the same organization, did what they did to Mr. Byrd; that their past experiences caused them to hate Black people. So I guess that since as a Black people, you should understand if a Black man/woman kills a white person, it’s okay because of our past experiences with white people.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

You know, this Israeli raid on Lebanon must remind y’all of when your daddies and granddaddies had those big lynching bees and burned out all the black folk for a little downhome rednekkk fun.

By Toad

July 20, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

POS?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Enough,

I agree with most of your sentiments. However I believe that Israel should be given a little more time to destroy the remainder of Hezbollah. Then have some third parties come in and totally destroy all leftover weapons. If this does not happen, Iran will simply be flexing their muscle in a couple of years or so and then we are in the same boat.

By Ed

July 20, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Redneck-Amercia Next Al Queda posted one day where you could see his real email address by clicking on his name; from that a search engine found his IP address, which led to his home address, ah..the wonder of good software. Anyone want his home address and phone number?

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Toad, Piece Of S(poop)

Redneck, STFU

By Mark

July 20, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

No one is going to use nuclear weapons, they just want them for defense purposes. What would be the advantage to using nuclear weapons against a country that has them also? It would be total annihilation for both countries. With the strength of today’s nukes a couple of them would make a country unhabitable for hundreds of years. It won’t be a “neat” Hiroshima explosion taking out one city. The damage would be 100 times that.

Iran is not going to nuke Isreal. They’re stupid but not crazy.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Stewart, I’m with you. In fact, I think Israel is finally doing what the rest of us don’t have the stones to do. Let them finish the job.

Ed, nah, I really couldn’t care less. But if you could find some way to block his nasty posts, that I’d be interested in!

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Ah, it looks like Little Eddie wants to get a lynch party together for all you chickensheet chickenhawks. Can’t do your own dirty work?

One on one, you’re all nothing. Zeros. But put a bunch of you together, and you have the power of a pack of hyenas.

By SW

July 20, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

You just have to laugh when you read a post, ostensibly from a black person lamenting a white person for being racist and not thinking of the two as equal, yet all along typing Black like this and white like this as if we are inferior and not worthy of an upper case W. Ms. McKinney taught you well, didn’t she?

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Mark: Uh-huh. And they wouldn’t blow themselves up either would they??? You might want to rethink that strategy. If doesn’t work with these 12th century morons.

By James

July 20, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Ed, IP address from an email address…pretty cool. I dare you to post it!

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Mark,

If Israel is on the brink of total destruction, I guarantee you that they would use their weapons. I know you are referring to the previous post regarding Iran nuking Israel. However, if Iran does get ahold of a nuclear weapon. They will be able to hold the rest of the world hostage. Plus, you never know who has their finger on the button. Some crazed madman may decide that Allah has instructed him to pull the trigger.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Good point SW - from now on I will use rednecks - America’s Al Qaeda as my screenname.

By can't be bothered

July 20, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Ed, you have way too much time on your hands.

By James

July 20, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

SW, you’re reaching brother…I don’t put white in caps either…and I’m white

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

No thanks Ed, but file it away. lol If you want to really get him. Just ignore him. That’s what I should’ve already done. He’s a moron and HE KNOWS IT! He acts like he’s about 13, but don’t most liberals?

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Rednekkk,

You should probably post your comments on the message board of the Council of Conservative Citizens website since you’re more likely to run into actual Ku Kluxers there.

Most “rednecks” that I’ve met have been great. Hell, if you get into a fight, a redneck friend will have your back quicker and a lot more effectively than a Secret Service agent would.

By James

July 20, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

SW,

I guess you are like some of my black friends who joke that billiards is racist because of the white ball knocking all the colored balls around. Hidden Racism

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Let’s face it, Enough, there ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between the typical Georgia GOPer and a Klansman. Both are ignorant hatefilled racist flagwaving hypocrites.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

I agree that Israel should be able to defend themselves. However, the raid starts to become counterproductive if they destroy most of Lebanon while trying to flush out a militia. Remember that Lebanon is a budding democracy of a wide range of ethnic groups that was on the path towards development. Severly crippling Lebanon would be undermining the overall goal of implementing democracy in the Middle East.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

James,

Or white dildo’s being half the size of black ones! Hidden Racism!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Barbara, You’d have to ask Redneck about that.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Hey, the Barbara at 4:11 is not me. Please find a way to identify yourself separate than me, poster.

By Trying hard to be a good Christian

July 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

You know, redneck, I have to say you have the most intelligent stuff to say on this blog - not that it is hard. LOL!

As a Christian, all this collateral damage deeply and profoundly disturbs me. What can one person do?

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

As black males, we already have enough negative stereotypes. At least let us have that one.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

That’s our Barbara!

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Enough, you can’t argue with that idiot. He just likes to stir up hate. He hasn’t actually made an intelligent contribution or posted an original thought on any blog I’ve read. He just likes to find new ways to insult Georgians and Rednecks.

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

It wasn’t me….it wasn’t me…. I promise you, I wouldn’t have said something like that.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Enough, I have a great deal of sympathy for the Lebanese people. However, their new budding government was very much aware that the Hezbollah was bringing in Syrian made weapons through their airport and road infrastructure. My belief is that they decided to ignore this fact instead of asking for help from the United Nations (yes they are useless and impotent). But if they had done that, then the US could morally justify putting pressure on Israel to stop the offensive and then we could move in along with others to disarm Hezbollah. The Lebanese government has put themselves and the US in a corner.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

I think that actually he’s just laughing his A$$ off, posting and waiting for our responses and I’ve been stupid enough to fall into his trap.

By deegee

July 20, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Barbara, You really are a mess and I hope that all of your christian brothers and sisters can straighten you out. Shows what’s on your mind.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Barbara, the next thought you have will be your first one.

The little village you grew up in called - they are missing their idiot - go home.

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Me too Ugotta.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

I believe you. No worries. I thought the post by Barbara 4:11, though vulgar, was funny regardless.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Don’t cry Barbara, being a village idiot in Georgia is quite an accomplishment, given all the competition…

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Deegee, it wasn’t me. Please. I don’t know what prompted that person to say that, but it wasn’t me…..

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Redneck: I have to admit that your post disguised as Barbara was funny. To the real Barbara, I thought that was totally out of character for you, but then I thought Hell go girl!

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

But I guess that fake Barbara does have a point. Alot of racism could be ended if white men with p***s envy could just live with what they got. Like the Asians do.

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

For the record, “our” Barbara, the one whose views are known by those who post here, is not the Barbara who posted at 4:11. No more denial is needed, Barbara.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

The difference between the KKK and the Georgia GOP - the KKK is full of tweedledees, and the GOP is full of tweedledumbyas.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

I must have some black roots in my blood based on Barbs post…:)

By Barbara (the one who first posted this morning)

July 20, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Jim, help me. They did it again. 4:25. I’m going to stop posting. I guess you win imposter. You’ve taken the fun out of it for me.

By deegee

July 20, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Ed, can you please confirm that the real Barbara is not the Barbara imposter?

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

That’s Redneck’s concern Barbara. Not us REAL men…

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

Lebanon has been attempting to thwart Syria’s influence since the Cedar Revolution last year. In fact, it cost them the life of their former Prime Minister. The Lebanese have been very vocal with this problem, tiptoeing on the line of trying not to regress into civil war like that of the 80s. The problem is with Iran and Syria, not Lebanon. And hitting Iran in their wallets is very effective in getting them to come to the table. It isn’t a mere coincidence that as the price of oil increased, so did the belligerence brazeness of leaders like Ahmadnijehad, Putin, Chavez, and Assad.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Now all the rednecks are going to blame me for their silly little games, but I am the one and only rednecks - America’s Al Qaeda, and given the almost illiterate quality of my many detractors’ posts, I feel no need at all to resort to rusing to blow their half-witticisms out of the water… Barbara doesn’t need any rope from me to hang herself.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Deegee, you know how I feel. You and I have blogged together before. I am totally off my game here. I don’t know how to combat this imposter problem. I think Ugotta is right. I think Redneck is doing it. He’s aready shown he only likes to stir up hate. For the record, the posts at 4:11 and 4:25 are not mine. The others are (except anything after Ugotta’s 4:28, because I can’t see if anybody posted after that until this post by me).

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

That’s what always happens when you think, Barbara. YOU COME UP WITH THE WRONG ANSWER.

Face it, you’re not cut out for it.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

I accidentally posted in your name at 4:30. The post was meant to be FOR you not BY you.

By James

July 20, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

We believe you. Just as we know half the stuff posted from Time for the Truth is not him but some 12 yr old with too much time.

By Trying hard to be a good Christian

July 20, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Barbara, I’ve read some of your posts. You have plenty of hate in your heart, redneck didn’t put it there…

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Barbara, no longer than I’ve been posting here, I was surprised by that comment, and didn’t think it came from you and I don’t think that others did either. Ole Redneck’s game’s ‘bout up!

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

The 4:11 and the 4:25 Barbara is, as “our” Barbara asserts, the same poster. And that Barbara, incidentally, takes this discussion about as far down that road as I’m comfortable with. When the subject starts to make folks uncomfortable enough to leave the discussion, we’re on the wrong track.

By Econprof

July 20, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Stewart..retake Econ 101….

a company receives tax bill….they pay taxes…they were taxed on net earnings after interest so they already paid labor all they intended to pay…if you are talking about excise taxes, a firm cannot pass on the whole tax because of consumer response to higher prices. If you are talking about an income tax, the P,Q combination that maximizes profit net of profit tax is independent of the tax rate.

now suppose we don’t have firms paying taxes..well in the absense of budetary restraint we tax the workers more…ok…higher dividends offset by higher taxes….workers have less money to spend….oh no..lower profits..

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Enough ( I presume this was from you) Well the world community should be ashamed of itself for not taking care of this problem. I agree with your premise on oil prices, however, I think the leaders you mentioned are actually attempting to manipulate pricing. The US definitely needs to rid itself of the dependency on Arab oil, however I don’t think that will totally absolve us of middle east entanglements. We are a major ally of Israel, and I don’t see that ever changing.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

I may have to leave shortly folks, since my ladyfriend might be calling me to pick her up after the play.

I find it Interesting that Mr. Wooten won’t tell you rednecks that I am not the imposter, and he allows people to post that they have my personal info without comment - so much for an un-PC environment…

By Enough

July 20, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

I don’t think that the leaders are manipulating the pricing, rather it is increasing because of increased demand in China, India, and Russia. If we can develop alternative fuel technology here and export it abroad, then demand will drop and so will prices. A lot of our options in dealing with Iran is limited due to the influence of China and India and their dependence on Iranian oil.

By deegee

July 20, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Blogging is like roller derby. You know what your’re getting into and somebody’s going to get a little beat up sometimes. No big deal, it’s entertaining or else we wouldn’t be doing it. I do find it curious that Redneck al Qaeda’s comments are so disdainful to the “thinking right” crowd yet time for the truth is treated like some great sage. Redneck has a sense of humor, time for the truth is just plain ugly.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

A sense of humor AND incredibly handsome.

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Econprof,

You would be right were it not for the fact that a corporation is an ongoing business. Yes in that particular accounting period they pay the taxes, but the bottom line is that the taxes paid in essense eliminates money that the corporation would pay their employees, raise prices or reduce dividends in the future. Most likey they will do a combination of the three. Either way an idividual, not the corporation istself, is hurt by the transaction.

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Redneck is not the Barbara #2. And if anybody has any additional personal information beyond that he declares, they got it out of the “R” section of the phone book.

I too am going to have to leave shortly. Don’t drive posters out or go in directions that discourage those who may otherwise be drawn into the topic discussion, please.

By Larry

July 20, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

C,mon, redneck, talk to me! What’s the matter, are ya’ CHICKEN?

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Enough,

They are manipulating pricing by their rhetoric. I am talking about the political risk premium associated with the price of oil. It is estimated to be around $20 per barrel right now. Oil prices are set by commodities traders on the futures market. When these guys start spouting off these traders move the prices up.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Deegee, did you actually read redneck’s comments? He said that we Georgians are gleeful about pictures of children being blown to pieces. How can you say that is a sense of humor??? That’s disgusting. I had a little more respect for you - that’s why I tried to defend myself when I thought you attributed something nasty to me. You are not one to name call and you usually keep it pretty clean (although you were quick to say I was a mess for a comment I didn’t even make). Come on now. You can’t put the hate monger redneck and Time for the Truth in the same category. At least Time for the Truth stays on point. When has redneck even made a point relavent to the conversation? (For those keeping score back when the whole capital B/W, little b/w was going on, those are adjectives and neither should be capitalized, but names such as redneck and TFTT should be capitalized, and redneck is inferior to TFTT so he gets a little r.)

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

July 20, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

now hold on there, Deegee, Barbara suggested that Mr. Wooten give “time for truth” a guest column. But why only give him an occasional column? I mean, he deserves his own Round Table discussion news program opposite Meet the Press. Somebody call George Wills, and Sam Donaldson, see if they’re available. With the amazing command of the socio-economic situation in this country that “time for truth” has displayed today, (and he packed in more meaning in his dozens of 5K word posts than most of us do in our one or two 25 words or less posts), we must not be greedy and keep him for ourselves. No sir. He belongs in the national forum, where he can do the most good.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

thank you, Jim. Gentlemanly of you.

By Larry

July 20, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

deegee: redneck is about as funny as Bob Dole

By Q

July 20, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

By Time,

Dag, you really don’t like black people do you. I have yet to read any positive posts you put out there (and I’ve spared with you virtually on another topic). I mean, is it really that much disgust on your part? I assume that you live several miles away from the nearest black person in your community…or there are none in your community at all Obviously, you’ve never interacted with us. It’s all about what you see on tv, read in the papers, and in online blogs such as this. I suggest you get out and really get to know us……we are not all that bad.

Mr. Wooten, with all of this hate and disgust thrown at blacks on this blog, why can’t you see that we are not nearly at the point of equality as you’d like us to be?

Why is it so hard to just respect that we are different and learn to embrace the differences for the greater good? I guess it’s all for political gain.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Let’s see what kind of debate we can get going on this topic.

Have a great day all.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

I agree Barbara - rednecks are inferior to almost everything.

By let's see

July 20, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Let’s see if you can put in a bogus email like test@thisisntarealemail.net and have it come through. Why, yes, you can.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

looks like the drug rehab king rednecks needs that fifth full frontal lobotomy …

By Enough

July 20, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

It is true that their rhetoric affects the futures market. However, you cannot discount the massive influence of the increased buying power of Chinese, Indian, and Russian consumers. Those three countries alone comprise half of the world’s population. We need to stop depending on oil entirely. It’s much tougher to deal with a (and I really hate to use this term) “rogue regime” when they happen to have a precious and scarce resource that the world depends on.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Loser Larry evidently wants to engage me in some Code Duello in cyberspace. Who the h-ell are you, Larry?

I didn’t know any of The Stooges were still alive.

By Snowflake BabyBoomer

July 20, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute, I dont understand. Is Redneck saying that He himself is a redneck, or is his ID a message that reads, “Rednecks are American’s Al Queda”?

Why didn’t you say so the first time, Redneck? That’s a horse of a different color. I had you all wrong. Look, simply change your ID. It’s too misleading. I thought you were a conservative using reverse psychology on the blog. Call yourself, “You might be a redneck if…..”

Then, people will read your posts who aren’t just your own aliases or some other collusive gaggle of clowns who are blog-hogging. I mean, I know a good handle when I steal one, ( uh, I mean see one).

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

I have nothing at all against black people, but I object to black racists sneering at conservatives in the way the vile NAACP does. DO NOT equate legitimate criticism with bigotry/racism … too late - that’s what dishonest liberals always do!!

If you as yet another liberal wanker avtually bother to read my posts you’ll see I have nothing but great respect and admiration for black conservatives who are the ones who are really put upon by (black) liberals

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Enough,

I think we agree, it just got lost in the translation. I am all for alternative energy. We need to find a way to utilize our coal reserves and nuclear power in away that is healthy to the environment. There is already talk down here in Florida to convert our sugar crops to corn for ethanol. So I think its going in the right direction. Isn’t Russia a net exporter of fuel? You know one thing that is ironic. Iran does not have the capability to produce gasoline. I would love to see us stick it to them in that regard. The government would be overthrown within a couple of years.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

I assume your lady friend is earning the usual consideration in stolen food stamps redneck nutter!!

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Time, girlfriend, you are so funny. Speaking of working girls, tell your Mum Big Nut said hi.

Ciao.

By L. Baxley

July 20, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

If it is not wise for the President to speak such groups as the NCAACP, then how do African Americans get there voices heard. Are you saying that he, as President, should pay no attention to concerns and needs of the African American population? Do you think he would come and speak to me to see needs of African Americans? My point is that if he doesn’t go a speak to such groups that in some way represent African Americans the how do the government found out this issue that are important to African America. Or are you saying he shouldn’t care and neither do you?

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

REdnecks … there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between you and a bucket of possum droppings!!

Just mirroring back your usual patter

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN.

I can only assume you are some embittered, deranged Mexican who’s been deported once too often from your toilet cleaning job in Atlanta and you’re now effetely getting what you feel is your own back from some dingy internet cafe in Tijuana where you are a part time bouncer for the kids playground!!

By Stewart

July 20, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

L. Baxley,

Mr. Wooten did not say anywhere in his article that the President should not care about black people. He stated that the president should look to other black groups to reach out to that community. The NAACP chose to be vicious in their campaign adds.

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

L. Baxley, please reread. The “voices” of African Americans and the NAACP are not the same thing. I’m AARP eligible. But I’d never choose to have my voice filtered through them, nor would I wish to have the President think that in addressing my concerns, it would be necessary to speak to me through that organization.

By Enough

July 20, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Russia is a net exporter of oil, but I think they also have a pipeline from Iran. As far as Iran being unable to produce gasoline, that is funny. It would be great to stick it to them. Ahmadnijehad talks too much trash and does too many cowardly things—i.e. encouraging Hezbollah to kidnap Israeli soldiers without provocation. It would be great if he could be humbled in any way.

Gotta run. It’s been real.

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 20, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

I wish to profusely apologise to everyone on this blog for my moronic boorish behaviour and for insanely pretending to be in England. I am in fact a recovering alcoholic who simply drank too much for my own good today. I need to be locked up to keep my liver from packing up on me.

Please will someone from help me break back into the secure rehab unit I escaped from a few days ago.

By Markus

July 20, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Hey Amelia -

“What story about Vietnam could Gore not get straight Markus? Can you cite a specific instance where he couldn’t get it straight? He was an Army journalist that spent 6 months in Vietnam. I don’t remember him ever being unclear about that at all.”

Gore said he was in “combat” and then later retracted it when called on it.

Kerry said.. oh wait, you didn’t bring up KERRY’S lies.

By JK

July 20, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Let’s see what kind of debate we can get going on this topic.

OH! OH! OH! I KNOW! LET ME! Ahem.. “Who came first, the chicken or the egg?” Why, the one who was on TOP of course! HAHAHA!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

L. Baxley….What purpose did it serve for Bush to speak to the NAACP? You know their minds were closed to ANYTHING he had to say. Why should he put himself in a position to be (borrowing a phrase) dissed by folks that wouldn’t vote for him or any Republican for no kind of reason, no-how, no-way. I’m sure he remembers the “dissing” he received at Ms. King’s funeral, uh Democratic Party convention.

By JK

July 20, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Ugotta, what kind of special, magical crystal ball powers do you have that you KNOW the minds of so many others who are not your family or close personal friends? That is an amazing talent. Do you give seminars?

By Markus

July 20, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Hey ctk -

“markus - no liberal is saying that it was a “bastion of peace and prosperity” as you seem to believe. what we ARE saying (and try to listen, i know it’s hard, fox news shouts really loud, and i’m using subtle facts) is that for the past decade it has been STABLE.”

BULLSQUEEZE! That is the BIGGEST joke yet said by a candy@ssed terrorist appeasing liberal on this forum yet! But I suppose like a good little liberal appeaser under the Clintoon administration, when you stick our head in the sand and deny festering hostilities and terrorism, then I suppose I wouldn’t see anything wrong either. Typical liberals trying to invent history like Carter winning the Nobel “peace” Prize. Now THAT was a dog-n-pony show JOKE.

“…bush has cut 15 billion in veteran affairs, but you tell me I don’t support the troops? sonny has cut over 1 billion in education funds,”

Another ignoranus liberal commnent. There IS NO CUT IN FUNDING! There is only a NON-INCREASE IN FUTURE SPENDING! You socialist neolibs need to read more than the New York Sludge Times.

“anyone here think markus was actually in a war?”

What’s it to you liberal? Did YOU ever serve? Why all of the sudden are you candy@ssed liberals so concerned about military service? You sure weren’t concerned about it when Bill “fat intern lover” Clinton ran against WWII heroes George HW Bush in 1992 and Dole in 1996.

Yeah I know you pathetic liberals like to use that argument to attempt to discredit or shut up the poster. Well it ain’t gonna work with me sport, because over NINETY FIVE PERCENT of this nation has never or never WILL serve. Ok, I’ll tell you what. Let’s take your typical liberal argument a step further: anybody who never served in the US military is banned from voting. NO EXCEPTIONS! Now let’s see what your little liberal self has to say about that. I’ll be waiting.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Hey, redneck has finally told the Truth for once. There is hope! Our many attempts at an intervention may have finally done the trick. It’s a good thing we didn’t give up on him :-)

By deegee

July 20, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Barbara, let it go. Read TFTT’s 5:26 post and tell me that you are proud to be in his dark corner.

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

What is hilarious about so many ignorant liberals is that they gleefully hand out harsh, often poisonous sneers, or worse at conservatives, including even stalking them outside their homes. Rumsfeld has endured this many times from a disgusting rabble who think nothing of trespassing and intimidation - and yet when I - or others on the right post factually correct statements/perfectly fair comment about their little heroes or their worldview these same sneering liberals whine and screech about how ‘hateful’ and insensitive and ‘racist’ it is to make perfectly legitimate political points. If I happen to critique minorities in a perfectly fair way the liberal racebaiting is unabated. Empty assertions that you’re a racist are supposed to intimidate you into silence.

Quoting a decidedly xenophobic liberal from earlier today - my measured. ententious response is a cyber ‘acronym’ … STFU!!

Pinko hypocrisy is always wonderful entertainment.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

JK: I know that’s a favorite liberal argument for lack of a better one. I know you’re just trying to cloud the issue but if you’ve watched events in this country for more than the last couple of days you get an idea about what this group such as the NAACP or the ACLU or Democrats or Republicans, etc. think. I’m sure you “KNOW” what we conservatives think, don’t you? So don’t play your little games.

By Shabazz

July 20, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

If the NAACP is the mouthpiece for African Americans, Black America is in deep trouble !

I do not need a hustler or a shark to represent me.

I work. I am educated. I am married. I own my own home. I’ve never been in jail. I am BLACK !

Nobody gave me anything and I’m not asking for anything.

By deegee

July 20, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

And Barbara, go back and read Ugotta’s posts and then tell me that Redneck is imagining things.

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Deegee, I’ll take his corner any day over redneck’s. He has revealed that he lived in England, yet now lives here in the ATL. He has never attacked southern lifestyle or Georgians. I am a southerner born and raised, and I’m proud of my heritage. I like meeting folks from different parts because they teach me things. Same for people of different opinions. TFTT is passionate and he occasionally gets mad enough to say things that are mean. He isn’t real fond of Christians either, and has made that clear. He calls us religious nutters all the time. I am a Christian, but I recognize his right to his own opinion. And quite frankly, the term religious nutter isn’t that offensive to me. TFTT makes points that are relavent to the blog, and he backs his opinion up. You can engage him in conversation and he will respond to your points. That hate-monger redneck just stirs up trouble. His posts are just full of crap. I can’t believe anyone from the south would stick up for him under any circumstances. He makes my stomach turn.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Oh God, please don’t tell me that deegee doesn’t like me. I might not sleep tonight!

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

deegee

just a spot of quite sardonic humour … aimed at one very sick jerk. The whole point with redneck is it wants a competition, it wants attention. hence it’s increasingly outrageous, unhinged rhetoric, focused on white southerners. Normal banter/abuse doesn’t seem to work, and note it wont pick on me very much because it gets it back - with interest.

Its just a bit of diverting fun … but liberals wont/cant appreciate anything that is too harsh or judgemental - unless of course its Bush is a Jackbooted Nazi - etc which the NAACP were saying last year (that’s a very close paraphrase of J. Bond’s televised rant)

I expect liberals to harshly judge their conservative betters, it also makes for loads of smirks for us conservatives.

By JK

July 20, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

I’m sure you “KNOW” what we conservatives think, don’t you?

Oh, NO SIR! That’s why I’m listening so carefully, so I can learn. I want to know the source of your amazing wisdom. I don’t consider “getting an idea” the same as knowing, and would not presume to make decisions or proclamations based soley on something so flimsy.

So don’t play your little games. Aww, MAN!(pout)

By time for the truth

July 20, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

right on Shabazz!!!

By Barbara

July 20, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Deegee, I was typing and missed your second post, so I’ll respond to that one too. I got lots of love for Ugotta. He’s funny and he also makes relevant points. I find it funny that people want to attack TFTT and Ugotta when they are able to coherently back up their arguements. It seems that many who attack them can’t argue the points, so they just resort to name-calling. Well I’m tired of being called racist/bigot/whatever too. I don’t believe either one of them hates. I think they just get so fed up with all the whining that they occasionally just let it fly. You yourself said blogging was like a roller derby. Well, don’t get in front of either one of those two because they are witty enough to clear a path when they’ve got something to say.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 20, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

JK: Go back and re-read your 5:59pm post. Maybe you’ll get as good as laugh as I did. That was ridiculous.

By Qwesi

July 20, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

The rising Black middle class will spell doom for the NAACP and other shuck and jive organizations whose very existences are dependent on the welfare and ghetto sectors of American society.

Its not a black or white issue. Its the GREEN ! All I ask is for my politicians to help me keep more of my paycheck instead of giving it away to those who did not earn it!

Slowly Black America is figuring this out which scares the hell out of Jesse Jackson and Julian Bond,

By rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

July 21, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Greetings, rednecks and decent folk from London UK, today near the British Museum.

You guys know I would never ever apologize to a group of rednecks, since I am for the total Abolition and Reconstruction of the American Redneck.

Don’t know why you rednecks are so apopleptic about Bush talking to the NAACP - he talks to lots and lots of white trash every day!

By time for the truth

July 21, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

HATEFUL BLACK LIBERALS

After all the posts and pontification yesterday on Bush’s unwise decision to speak at this black hate group the upshot was that the black liberals were predictably hateful to the President. The Daily telegraph report talks of “stony silence”.

This is the quite objective opening paragraph of the Telegraph’s report.

“President George W Bush was met by a near-complete wall of silence punctured only by ironic applause and heckling yesterday as he addressed America’s leading black organisation for the first time since taking office.”

also in the report …

“Most American observers say that Mr Bush’s far-Right image among blacks is unfair. He has appointed two black secretaries of state, including a woman, and has shown a greater willingness to hire black Americans than some of his Democratic predecessors”.

Read the rest yourself online.

This sums up the poisonous attitude of NAACP blacks. And merely underlines how astute many comments and observations made here yesterday actually were.

As for the liberal vermin - as Michael Savage calls them - who assert that anyone who posts the kind of commentary I and others did are “racist”. They are the true bigots, who have closed minds.

There are of course millions of decent law abiding black folks in the USA, but its the NAACP/civil rights pimps etc that are the BIGGEST sinister barrier to improvement in American race relations. Their unremitting twisted demagoguery about conservatives and their hateful attitude to anyone who doesn’t slavishly kowtow to their racial spoils demands/rhetoric is deeply shameful and extremely corrosive. But we all know the game they’re playing - keep the shrill, racial demagoguery going, expecially in the leftist media and the cynical, self serving atmosphere created will ensure their racial spoils funding continues and they hang onto some of their evil influence in the balck cokmmmunity. Especially amongst those who want/need to blame whitey for their personal socio-economic mediocrity.

That’s why the continuous references to the klan and lynchings and Jim Crow etc will never ever cease from these evil people. Not in a million years, because their livelihood and political influence depends on it!!

Its truly sad that a certain element cant just move on and stop demanding racist quotas, reparations, special treatment and the rest of it.

When this changes and the racial hucksters stop this disgusting behaviour America will be a better place where EVERYONE increasingly participates in a nationa that’s continuing to evolve into the worlds greatest ‘meritocracy’.

By time for the truth

July 21, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

I accept yesterday’s apology redneck - it was long overdue and I’m sure happened in a very brief, rare period of total lucidity for you. Did you manage to break back into your secure rehab unit? I hope that you get ALL the electro shock treatment you need.

As for the “abolition” of all rednecks etc … years ago racist scum used to talk in the same evil tones about the abolition of blacks. You rightly condemn such hateful sentiments, yet perpetrate the exact same racist hate speech about southern white folks (who naturally and quite reasonably despise you).

Clearly you are just yet another typical bigoted HYPOCRITICAL yankee wasting valuable American oxygen!!

As for your latest Yahoo UK travel bollocks - this sick, obsessive desire of yours to be somewhere you can never go (you need a passport and money) is truly hilarious!!

By E. T.

July 21, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

I suspect that the only reason President Bush agreed to speak to the NAACP was in a more than likely hopeless attempt to win votes for Republicans in November by touting that the Voting Rights Act should be renewed without amendment. It was, he signed it, the NAACP is cheering, and will still vote Democratic. All President Bush did by approving the renewal of that monstrous piece of legislation is to further punish a state that supported him vigorously in both his presidential elections. Here’s hoping that someone will file suit and try to get the act overturned.