Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

July 19, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

I live in the hinterlands of North Georgia…you know…one of those counties that is not considered a part of the greater Atlanta metropolitan area by the AJ-C. Our election results rarely get reported in the paper, but I suspect they are indicative of a lot of precincts.

While Republicans continue their domination of the political scene, there are changes in the ranks. Like the rejection of Ralph Reed, more and more successful Republican candidates are those that have moved from the radical, fanatic “right” back toward the middle. As exemplified by the surprise for Cynthia McKinney, the Democrats (although they have not fully figured it out yet) are going to have to move from the radical, fanatic “left” toward the center if they are ever to again be viable in Georgia.

In our case, the two incumbent county commissioners (one Democrat and one Republican) who were replaced were perceived as narrow-minded and non-cooperative. They were viewed as argumentative and endowed with an excessive appreciation of self-worth. The voters attended to their cases!

Citizens want a more reasonable degree of competence from our government. We do not expect “perfection,” but we have a right to expect “proficiency.” We expect our leaders to be reasonable, and we will not tolerate “rulers” or “demigods”…at least… not for long.

By David

July 19, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

I can’t scratch and claw quick enough to get back to the voting booth to vote against McKinney again. Hank is such a superior looking candidate.

By Earl

July 19, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Mid-South Philosopher makes an excellent point. We’re tired of the pompous telling us what we should be “for.” Competence is what we need, and both Democrats and Republicans are starting to come to that realization. Maybe there is hope afterall.

By Maybe Jim isn't a Dummy

July 19, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Well, we still have some work to do on McKinney, but at least Ralph got sent packing back to lobby-land.

It’s pretty discouraging that people as blatantly mentally ill as they both are can stand up in front of crowds of supporters, twist the language around and come up with phrases that illicit applause.

Sometimes I wonder if we’re smart enough to support a democracy over here.

By Brian Curtis

July 19, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

This result gives me hope for democracy. Maybe people are backing off from the crazies again!

McKinney is, of course, an embarrassment. But far more encouraging is the fact that Reed lost. So maybe Georgia voters aren’t dumb enough to vote for anyone, no matter how evil, just because he talks a lot about God. Imagine that!

And someday—dare I hope?—there may be a sensible conservative party in place of the whacko Religious Reich operating today.

By James

July 19, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Yay!!!!

Thank you Jim for giving the Black middle class of the 4th district credit for knowing a idiot when they see one. Hopefully they go back to the polls August 8 to kill her career for good.

Now all of us (white middle class) voters need to do is remove the racist, confederate flag loving, bible thumpers from the republican party.

By Jim Robinson

July 19, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

I don’t know anything about Johnson, but a rock would be a better choice than McKinney. ABC! Anybody But Cynthia!

By Peter

July 19, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Coyne kept Hank Johnson from winning yesterday!

Today’s article in the AJC described Coyne as the spoiler who kept Cynthia from winning, but the opposite is true. Both Johnson and Coyne were anti-Cynthia votes. Without Coyne, Johnson would have won outright yesterday.

I don’t understand how the AJC can pick Johnson as the best candidate and then report with such an evident bias as though Cynthia was somehow betrayed by two opponents who dared to run against her and force her into a runoff.

The TV media also were outrageous in their lopsided coverage, camped out at the McKinney camp, waiting for her to announce her win, without a single camera pointed at Johnson.

Now Johnson is on the map, and I hope the camera will be pointed at him for the runoff in three weeks. There’d better be a party booked because I want to be there!

By CDog

July 19, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Ideologically, Casey Cagle believes everything Ralph Reed does. He will support and oppose the same legislation that Reed would have. Anyone who voted for Casey Cagle as an anti-Reed vote because they view Reed as “radial right” and Cagle as a “moderate” will be sorely disappointed come January. I challenge you to name one issue where Cagle takes a “moderate” position and Reed takes a “conservative” one. Look at their campaigns. Did you every hear anything about issues? No, because they have the same position on almost every issue, so it was impossible to debate anything. It was all about character and ethics.

I was originally a Reed supporter but switched to Cagle when I found I could get essentially the same candidate without the political baggage of potential scandal. Reed did not lose because of his positions on the issues. He lost because of scandal.

By Without McKinney It Won't Be Fun

July 19, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

Peter: The media swarmed McKinney like flies because she is a lunatic and the media can understand her, she doesn’t bore them with talk of better government. It sure didn’t help to have Mother Moonbat Cindy there too, it only exacerbated the silliness.

Politics is no longer about better services, lower taxes and more efficiency for the citizenry, it’s all about making anti Bush noises where they can be heard.

McKinney is not a person of any substance, the media and it’s attendant moonbats just like hearing what she says.

By Political Foreskin

July 19, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

My wife was a cross-over democrat who sacrificed her vote for Cox to vote for Cagle. My wife foams at the mouth whenever she hears Ralph Reed’s name. (True).

Ralph Reed is not finished. He can consult with companies and still use his famous family values. Why, Ralph already has a client who needs to name an all-you-can-eat Chinese Seafood Buffett. Ralph want to call it, “Wok on Water”, after a miracle in the bible. The client is considering…..

Cynthia McKinney blew this election last spring when she beech-slapped that security guard and then immediately played the race card. “I am a black….female….” (Remember that embarrassment?) And how about that motley assortment of celebrities who appeared with her in support….Harry Belafonte? Eartha Kitt? Rosey Grier? Paula Abdul? The entire cast of the “Lion King on Ice”? Can this chick rally her base or what?

McKinney’s showing reveals that blacks have come a long way since “We find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty”.

I’ve often wondered who would win if OJ ever pulled a knife on McKinney…. OJ sure would look funny with that knife sticking out of his…!

By Spike

July 19, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

I left the Lt. Governor section of my ballot blank. I could not vote for either Casey Cagle or Ralph Reed. All the mudslinging on both sides was disgraceful. Depending on who ends up the Democrat candidate, I may actually cross the party line and vote for that candidate.

By MELO

July 19, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Ralph Reed(i am ashamed to spell his name in Caps, but) please just

R.I.P.

By Ralph The Hyprocrite

July 19, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Christian Coalition Representative? This man clearly is a hyprocrite of the worst kind. Lining his pockets with Jack Abramhoff’s kickbacks and then looking the television cameras straight in the eye and denying any wrongdoing. Wonder how big his house is? What kind of luxury car does he drive? All funded with Abramoff corruption!!!! Good riddance. I hope he gets more of what he deserves. Which is to lose everything!!!

By hollie a. ryder

July 19, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Mckinney should be in jail for assault of a law enforcement officer. Please, vote for an individual standing for election to a public office who is reasonably in touch with reality and is willing to serve the voice of the majority of the people, not the loudest or shrillest.

By Joey

July 19, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

I voted republican for the first time ever (after 30 years of voting) for one reason…and that was to vote against the uber-hypocrite Reed. Now maybe he will disappear and go try and get a real job, although I doubt this sleazeball will ever be able to do honest work. Ralphie was hoping to mount his charge to make this country a theocracy (everything on his web page is faith based this and faith based that) Cagle may be be close to Reed in philosophy but I’ll take my chances.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

BYE BYE REED … BYE BYE MCKINNEY (Hopefully)

And the odious pandering fat barsteward will lose to Perdue!!

Nice to see the thuggish McKinney is in potentially serious trouble. If the white candidate’s votes transfer across to its more moderate seemingly competent black opponent and a few more GOPers and moderates get together with the other folks who sensibly detest this socialist racebaiting cop assaulting trash then it will lose its congressional seat and GA will be very relieved. Hopefully even somewhat liberal blacks have had enough of Mckinney and this time it will quietly fade away when it loses!! It is the ignorant, politically illiterate, snouts in the welfare trough black underclass and extremely uppity liberal black females who gleefully support her racism that have allowed her to win in the past. If it wins then its other constituents will continue to be very poorly represented.

Any defeat for the vile Christian Coalition is marvellous news. Reed was a polarising force and my wife and I, as centre right Republicans would never have voted for him. Perdue will find it that bit easier to retain the Governors Mansion now… which is clearly a good thing!!

Evangelicals make my flesh crawl and while clearly they have the right to say/think whatever they want my contempt for them is on a par with any far left liberal - just for different reasons!!

The rebel flag is a perfectly legitimate representation of southern heritage. Beholding the typical ignorant yankee/liberal hate on this matter as ever is hugely amusing.

By Cynthia a laughingstock

July 19, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Cynthia represents her district as the laughingstock and of the nation. Some of her District 4 constituents have finally figured out her cop slapping, Jew hating, camera hog bozo costumes (at State of Nation speeches), Muslim smoozing are not enough to represent them in Washington. District 4 has grown up and realize Cynthia has no competence—no nothing—-to offer.
Loosing Cynthia will be a heartbreak for the media. Her whacko antics sell alot of newspapers!

By How Long Will The Loonies Follow Ralph Around?

July 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Will you stand outside his place of private business, foaming at the mouth, Political Foreskin?

I thought you got what you wanted, Ralphie out of politics?

You moonbats must not yet have a fresh target to attach your unhealthy obsessions to.

Get over it.

By Patrick

July 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Today is a fine new day with the defeat of Ralph Reed and runoff for Cynthia McKinney. Two ‘extremists’ that we do not need in Georgia politics. Thank you to my fellow voters for following the path to decency for Georgia.

By DS

July 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Had it not been for Abramoff, I would have voted for Reed. Cagle was the better candidate. Not mentioned was Handel. The count against her was support for domestic partnership benefits for Fulton County employees.

Unfortunately, Cox lost. Should Perdue lose come November, she would be the more palatable alternative. She had it right BIG GUY = BIG GOVERNMENT

The proof Democrats believe the economy is booming, though they say it isn’t…the Big Guy is proposing a major expansion of government to provide healthcare for every child in the state. Admirable goal, but look to TN folks, they tried it with Tenncare, and nearly backrupted the state when the economy tanked and a tax revolt ensued when politicians in Nashville decided to try and institute an income tax.

By deegee

July 19, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Not sure if black voters in Southeast Dekalb forced McKinney into a runoff or the white republicans in North Dekalb. This is reminicsent of the McKinney-Majette story. We’ll know when we see who goes back to vote in the runoff. It’s not hard to imagine that republicans in North Dekalb would prefer to vote democrat in a runoff than to pick up a ballot with Reed and Cagle on it. PeeYooo!!! What a stinker that must have been for Political Foreskin’s wife.

Cagle and Reed, Reed and Cagle, two sides of the same coin. Vote for me because I represent your Christian values and you don’t need to know anything more than that. Onward Christian soldiers into the PAC!

By Rod

July 19, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

So, does anyone know exactly how this McKinney thing will work out? I know the run-off is August 8. However - who can vote? Is voting open to everyone in the district - or - everyone who voted in the district in the primary - or - everyone who voted in the district in the primary on the Democrat ballot? The paper didn’t list the rules (hardly surprising) as they should have.

By Ken

July 19, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

I am amazed… but thrilled! It appears that voters in North DeKalb actually WENT TO THE POLLS! Now… don’t get slack in the runoff, folks… it’s not over yet… she can come back…. make sure you get out there on August 8th and drive the final nail in the coffin of Cynthia’s political career! Congratulations, Hank…. make us proud!!!

By Steve

July 19, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Cynthia is a racist. She is a total scumbag. The sooner she gets booted the better off for mankind of all races!!!

By SW

July 19, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

I live in the 4th District and I m so proud to see that Hank Johnson is poised to bring the divisive and radically out of touch with reality McKinney out of her seat in the 4th District and hopefully out of politics for good. I am equally as glad to see Ralph Reed bite the dust too; go away Ralph, we have your number and we don’t like it, no one is calling. If you can’t beat Casey Cagle you’re in bad shape.

By Harold

July 19, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Sorry Reed! You gotta be at least as smooth as Dubya (which ain’t sayin’ much) to get elected on the “Oh I am SO Christian that all good Christians have to vote for me” platform

Cynthia, you done gone too Whitney for us.

By candide

July 19, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Hooray! Another Christo-Fascist, Ralph Reed, bites the dust.

By Cynthia Mckinney's hair dresser

July 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

I became a moron for a day to vote against this race card bigot. Looks like I’ll have to do it again. She’s an embarrassment to the whole state of Georgia and having Cindy Sheehan there proves the point further.

By Philly

July 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

This is one christian coservative that will sit out the November election. I would never under any circumstances vor for Cagle. Cagle is scum and a crook. He ran a negative campaign. Cagle should not get away with it. The way Reed was treated was despicable. The Georgia GOP wants christian conservative vote but wants us to keep silent. I say let the GOP see how many elections they win without christian conservative vote.

Many Reed supporters will either sit out the general election or vote for the Democrat for Lt. Governor.

Either Martin or Hecht will be better than Cagle.

By Bob

July 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

If you voted Republican yesterday, you will not be able to vote in the Democratic run-off. If you did not vote at all yesterday, you can vote against Cinthia…… Let’s Fire Cnythia Mckinney on August 8th.

By Bryan

July 19, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Has anyone noticed the comparison of McKinney to Buckwheat. I hope that fool gets the socks beat off her!!!! She’s a disgrace to GA!

By deegee

July 19, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed that Casey Cagle’s eyes are like cold, expressionless, steel bullets? I had a halloween decoration once that had the same eyes but they blinked on and off.

By DS

July 19, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

In regards to participation in primary runoffs, you are allowed to only vote in the party’s primary in which you vote. Democrats vote Democrat, Republicans vote Republican.

And Harold’s sarcastic remark about the President and Reed, why don’t you include Carter and Clinton in that as well? Carter essentially began the modern advent of campaigning as a born again Christian. Clinton made a big to do about being a Baptist. Unfortunately, Carter’s administration was a nightmare, and Clinton’s was one long running scandal plagued joke after another, including some campaign finance and lobbying issues (remember the 96 campaign?). Many of Bush’s initial first term problems (as is usually the case with most Presidents) were inherited from the previous administration.

By wayne

July 19, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

who are all those dancing fools in that picture w/Mckinney? especially the white ones. What the heck are they thinking???

By kb

July 19, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Given that GA ranks just about last in education, and also that we have state representatives like Cynthia McKinney, I was about convinced that we live in a state of bumbling, uneducated citizens. But given the results of the latest polls refelcting the voices of GA residents, it appears that there is hope for GA afterall. How refreshing!

By Jim Wooten

July 19, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Bob is right on who’s eligible to vote Aug. 8. If you took a Republican ballot yesterday, you can’t switch and vote as a Democrat in the McKinney-Johnson runoff. But if you voted as a Democrat, or didn’t vote, you can vote in that runoff.

By Joey

July 19, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Here’s the thing about Carter…he really is a christian. He might not have been a good president, but he has proven that he has the real values that Jesus taught (compassion and service for the poor)…not the right wing perversion of religion that Ralph Reed and the rest of the american taliban preach.

By Go Sonny

July 19, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

So Mark Taylor is the victor thanks to Cathy Cox’s major misstep in handling the issue of gay marriage and civil unions. She was initially viewed as having the possibility of being progressive on civil unions then she back tracked in a way that was entirely unacceptable. He was the beneficiary of folks skipping the race altogether.

Meanwhile, Mark Taylor threw a significant core constituency as well as their supporters under the bus..all for the sake of looking strong on being “anti gay civil rights”. He was “the big guy” stepping on the necks of folks who are asking for some simple equity all for the sake of being able to look like Ralph Reed so that he can appeal to conservative voters.

It’s so laughable when you consider how he’s standing on a victory podium surrounded by his 20 something trophy wife ( isn’t she number three?) and a son currently under indictment for vehicular homicide and DUI. It’s hard to believe that this is a guy who can’t come to terms with supporting the possibilty of civil unions for a significant portion of his constituency.

So marriage should only be between a man and a woman….so be it. You’ll get no argument from me. I don’t feel the same way about civil unions. I think a lot of middle of the road Georgians may feel the same way. It’s an issue of fairness.

Maybe the legislature will cool the rhetoric down a bit and act in its best interest to make life a little better for all Georgians. But I think I might trust Sonny a little better in a second term to make the case than Mark Taylor. A real Republican moderate is probably better than a fake Democrat conservative.

By WCO

July 19, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

$500.00 says Cynthia will have the buses bringing in her supporters(Paid for votes)I hope there are enough educated voters to support Mr johnson but unfortunately I believe there are still too many “gotta vote against the Whiteman”supporters in her district. And yes sadly this nutjob will get reelected and that explains why “Whitey” keeps moving away from this area in droves!

By kb

July 19, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Joey,

Your perception is noble but unfortunately flawed. You see, liberals want to convince hardworking Americans that “the poor” are folks just working hard to make ends meet - but can’t quite get there. While that may be the case in a small minority of instances, the reality is that the vast majority of “the poor” you preach for (in the form of support for income redistribution) are eating twinkies on the couch in front of the TV and accepting their handout with absolutly no intention of working or making efforts to support themselves.

By Derrick

July 19, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

DS, I’ll take the bait. Bush inherited a relatively peaceful Israel-Palestine conflict, a budget surplus, a policy that had constrained Saddam Hussein, a Russia that was moving towards Democracy, relative peace in the world (surely compared to now), and a rising middle-class. Every single one of inheritances he squandered. Don’t blame the current problems on Clinton. Every president inherits some problems from previous president. The job entails solving some of the problems and leaving the country in better shape than when you took over. A task that most people agree, that Bush has surely failed.

By getalife

July 19, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Thank you Ga.

There is hope when Reed goes down.

I guess Dusty will be in a bad mood today.

By Stacey

July 19, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

I usually vote Republican, but voted Democrat yesterday for the sole purpose of getting Cynthia out of office for good! I’ll certainly be voting against her again in the run-off.

By James

July 19, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Derrick,

Its useless..the battle you are about to fight. Facts are like science and math to conservatives…a little fuzzy and not exact.

By Stewart

July 19, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Cynthia and Hugo Chavez have something in common. Good buddies with Cindy Sheehan! I hope the good people of the 4th district follow through and put her out on her behind.

By Don

July 19, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

The voters are waking up all across the country. This {Buy Me For How Much] attitude is finally being brought to light.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

kb,

Do you have any reputable research or information that can back that twinkie statement up. (No PAC statements please.)If so I’d love to see it or be able to access it.

Or is it just your opinion?

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Mr Wooten,

I’m sure you would like for Congresswoman McKinney to be defeated by Mr. Johnson and your article appears to be trying to influence that outcome. However, although Mr. Johnson is a nice guy; the runoff will come down to voter mobilization and turnout and the Congresswoman’s “machine” will do that very well. Maybe Vernon Jones will give her a challange two years from now but 2 years in politics is a long time. Mckinney will defeat Johnson inspite of your attempt to influence 4th District Politics.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Mr Wooten,

I’m sure you would like for Congresswoman McKinney to be defeated by Mr. Johnson and your article appears to be trying to influence that outcome. However, although Mr. Johnson is a nice guy; the runoff will come down to voter mobilization and turnout and the Congresswoman’s “machine” will do that very well. Maybe Vernon Jones will give her a challange two years from now but 2 years in politics is a long time. Mckinney will defeat Johnson inspite of your attempt to influence 4th District Politics.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

I too live in DeKalb and I will use my own form of “voter mobilization” and do my best to be rid of CM. Regardless of political affiliation, a shameful person is a shameful person.

Wish us luck.

By Jesse

July 19, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Say all of the nasty comments that you may about Cynthia McKinney. She will kick that tom’s butt. Cynthia is a winner. She is confident. She is a strong person. Too bad certain over zealous/misguided people have taken it upon themselves to try and whip her into submission. Vote for Cynthia.

By Ginny

July 19, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

I watched with baited breath the returns come in last night for Cynthia McKinney. I am pleasantly surprised.

Those of you who live in the 4th district and did NOT vote yesterday need to PLAN on voting against Cynthia on Aug 8th. She is an embarrassment to the entire state of Georgia, and having the Queen Nut bag, Cindy Sheehan, in her camp last night demonstrates how far off-base she is! If you have ANY doubt about McKinney’s qualifications, consider the fact the only meaningful legislation she has sponsored is a post office and the proposed Federal investigation of the murder of Tupac! Read the list of her campaign contributors - 80 percent Arab! I’d vote for my cat before I’d vote for her!

By A man of great privilege and fortune.

July 19, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

People throughout the country want in vain to do something that I get to do twice every two years. And this year, there’s a runoff, so I might get to vote against Cynthia McKinney three times. What can I say—I am blessed.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

I plan to vote against CM and tell everyone I know to get out and do so too.

But can we please stay focused and not turn this into another Sheehan argument. So she was there last night, who cares. She is not a player in this and just the mention of her name is enough to stir up a hornet’s nest.

Stay focused people. We have a job to do.

By SamX

July 19, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Go Sonny, Cathy Cox actually took a page from the Sonny book on campaigns. 4 years ago when Sonny was campaigning for governor he met openly with Log Cabin Republicans, a gay Republican political group.

In todays political climate Sonny would never meet with that group. Not a chance. Never.

Taylor could actually score big with a couple catchy ads. Portray Sonny in a meeting with a group of Log Cabins Republicans. Fem up the actors, maybe a few drag queens, throw in a few rainbows, and Taylor instantly becomes the favorite.

By Paul

July 19, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

So Cynthia ( I’m proud I’m a racist) McKinney is in a runoff. I might move to her districe to vote against her.

By Steve Barton

July 19, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

I am sure that Hank Johnson will now get some news coverage around here. Funny how absolutely everyone wrote off his candidacy, yet he had a track record of winning elections and was obviously not a nut. Good luck to Hank in the run-off.

By Rick

July 19, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Well if he’s “obviously not a nut,” he’s better than Cynthia!

By kb

July 19, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

clarkslawga,

I speak from experience in having worked with section 8 housing recipients extensively. To help answer your question, why don’t you give me an example of a poor person’s plight - representative of many people, (justifying several years in that condition) where his circumstances are not a result of his own poor choices (barring those who may be disabled, suffer from other medical conditions, or have family members who do). And don’t give me an example of someone who has to support twelve kids. Having children without a forethought of how they will be supported is an irresponsible decision leading to poverty. Also, don’t provide some one in a million experience either. Again, choose some examples that are representative of the majority of continuous welfare recipients.

By R Cagle

July 19, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

I was looking forward to voting against McKinney, but I’m one of the white (but non-Jewish) voters moved to the 5th District where my existance much less my vote will once again mean little in November or to the entrenched encumbment

By Shar

July 19, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

The news on the most publicized races, Reed and McKinney, was good, but I continue to wish that voters would pay more attention to the lower profile contests that profoundly affect the quality of life in this state. With one of the highest dropout rates in the country, the lowest SAT scores, and embarassing discrepancies between our own home-grown CRCT test results and students’ performance on nationally normed tests, there is no way that Kathy Cox (she who supported adding evolution to the biology curriculum) should have retained her office. Add Stan Wise, who never met a representative from a regulated industry that he didn’t like and who has done his best to get rid of the troublesome Adversarial Staff (representing ratepayers) at the Public Service Commission, and it is clear that actively bad performance does not necessarily result in the well-deserved bum’s rush that Reed and McKinney got. Next time, let’s spend a little less time flogging the marquis races and a little more on educating voters as to the alternatives to incompetance on the local level.

By The Thin Guy

July 19, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Cynthia needs to spend more time dancing and less time eating Possum Pie. Her behind is beginning to eclipse her backup dancers. I love living in her district. I get to vote against her every 2 years. Poor Hank doesn’t know what’s about to hit him.

By Sad Republican

July 19, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Having followed politics all my 35 years, I have never been so disappointed in Republicans. Casey Cagle’s shameful lies have driven me from the Republican choice for Lt. Gov. I usually vote straight Republican ticket with few exceptions, but Cagle has joined John Oxendine as another Republican that is not worthy to hold office. I will vote for the Democrat in both the Lt. Gov’s race and Insurance Commissioner’s race. Republicans of character need to send a message to politicians like Cagle — if you will lie (going so low to even smear Ronald Reagan’s positions) to get elected, there will be consequences. Just because I am a Republican and voted in the Republican Primary and plan to vote for Gov. Perdue and 90% of the other Republicans, doesn’t mean I have to vote for every Republican. If some of these Republicans start losing the General Election because of their shameful conduct in winning the Primary, it will serve to clean up this disgraceful politics.

By Go Sonny

July 19, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

SamX, You make an interesting point…But maybe with the departure of Ralph Reed and with Karen Handel putting Bill Stephens on the ropes, maybe we are finally seing a change in the social moderation of the republican party in favor of moderates who deliver.

At the very least even if they aren’t personally changing their views, maybe they are starting to believe that politiciancs have no right to come into our homes to define our personal values through publicly sponsored legislation.

Dare I dream that Rockefeller Republicans may be coming back into fashion?????

By seeing through the smoke

July 19, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

ahh… so kb, it’s just your opinion, based on your perception of your job and limited anecdotal observation, rather than rigorous anaylsis. Thanks for clarifying.

By Dave

July 19, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

We need to ghet rid of these extreme right and left wing politicians that are represented by the Ralph Reeds and Cynthia McKinneys of the world. What we need are more Sam Nunns who represent those in the center. I am so tired of politicians who say their behavior is misinterpreted or not their fault. Just like CEOs Lay and Skilling bad behavior you can’t say anymore it was not me it was somebody elses fault. I want somebody who says the buck stops here. If you can’t manage things get out of the way.

By Stewart

July 19, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Derrick and James,

A peaceful mideast during Clinton’s presidency? Do you not remember the USS Cole and Kobi Towers? I do not blame Clinton, I actually think he was a very good President. However he was not the only force in balancing the US budget. The Republican congress was an equal player and Bill Gates was an even bigger player. And we were talking about the declining middle class during that period as well. The current President is dealing with a different and more complicated set of issues.

By You "Voted" For Bush, Didn't You?

July 19, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

It so easy to spot a pinko:

By Sad Republican July 19, 2006 10:14 AM Having followed politics all my 35 years, I have never been so disappointed in Republicans. Casey Cagle’s shameful lies have driven me from the Republican choice for Lt. Gov. I usually vote straight Republican ticket with few exceptions, but Cagle has joined John Oxendine as another Republican that is not worthy to hold office.

“Mourning” a Republican victory, eh?

You liberals are a trip. We’re talking about the lieutenant governor of Georgia, right?

You’ve already fired up the Smear Machine?

By holdingAJC"accountable"

July 19, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Isn’t there a Bible verse that says “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a hypocrite to win the office of Lieutenant Governor”? I’m just sayin’…

By Wilton Brown

July 19, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Time to vote the Moonbat out of Congress again and this time send her packing foir good. I am tired of being known as a loser from Ga. because that woman is my congress person. I want to be PROUD of my Georgia.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

kb,

I currently work with the underprivilieged and I can speak from my personal experience that you are dead worng. There are those in this world who do not possess the intelligence or advantages that you and I have available to us and find themselves in the cycle of poverty.

Specific examples are fine, but they hardly tell the story. For that you would need to open your eyes and your mind and evaluate things objectively. Poverty is a real problem,a nd should not be dismissed with twinkie comments such as yours.

I will give you a few specific examples from my experience, however. The three veterans with mental issues due to PTSD come to mind. They function in a world that frightens them at every turn. Holding a job is not as simple to these guys as folks like you would like to believe. (And lets not get started on cuts in VA benefits.)

I have more than one client who have skills marketable in the world of manual labor only. They simply were not born with the intelligence to do anything else. At current wages there is no way they can provide for their family without assistance.

How about the overwhelming number of people older then 65 with incomes less than the poverty level. There are a huge number I come into contact with regularly who recieve only SSI and can barely subsist, much less afford the “luxury” of twinkies and TV, (or for that matter air conditioning for the heat or heat for the cold.)

The fact is that the poor are real and it is a real problem. It is a much more important “family value” or “social value” than flag burning or gay marriage.

Conservatives should wake up and realize that uninformed statements regarding “the lazy poor” do a disservice to the truly needy and to their own cause. Sure there are those that abuse the system, but that particular negative personality trait is not exclusive to the poor. To paint all the poor with the brush of the ones who do abuse the system is not only intellectually dishonest but factually wrong and impossible to support.

It also reinforces the stereotype of Conservatives and Republicans as being the heartless party that doesn’t care about the needs of others as long as there are guns, God and no Gays.

I think you guys are better than that.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

I would love to hang around and debate today but unfortunatly I have to get out of the office and into the field. Sorry to dump facts and run.

If you are going to call me out or call me names today you’ll have to cry in the wilderness as I won’t be here.

Go Hank Johnson.

By LB

July 19, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

I am totally baffled. How in the world did Cynthia McKinney get enough votes to even be in a runoff? Who is voting for her? Have these people not learned yet that Cynthia represents no one but herself?

By Bunny

July 19, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

well, after reading all of these comments, just who did vote for McKinney? Looks like everyone hates her. I guess the folks in her district don’t read the paper. or don’t write comments one. I sure am glad I am not in that district, but at the same time wish I could vote against her.

By Bunny

July 19, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

well, after reading all of these comments, just who did vote for McKinney? Looks like everyone hates her. I guess the folks in her district don’t read the paper. or don’t write comments one. I sure am glad I am not in that district, but at the same time wish I could vote against her.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Perhaps I should have said….

Dump some slim facts and a lot of opinion and run.

And you know what they say about opinions and a******s.

By Van

July 19, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

LB,

When you live in an alternate universe, Cynthia is a paragon of virtue.

Think about it, to the lunk heads in the 4th District, hitting a cop and getting away with it, is a resume enhancer. Having silly Sheehan by your side is a plus.

Following the lead of her mentor, Clinton, deny everything and blame it on someone else.

Thank you Voter Rights Act for making her a safe district.

By Paul

July 19, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

So Cynthia ( I’m proud I’m a racist) McKinney is in a runoff. I might move to her district just to vote against her.

By Elliott

July 19, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Another citizen of the 4th district here. One of the rallying cries of the War for Independence was “Taxation without representation.” Oddly enough, that’s what the citizens of the 4th have today. Cynthia McKinney is not a representative. She does not give one whit about her constituents other than their ability to keep her in power. She uses her office as nothing more than a pulpit for her personal views. Its fine to have wacked out personal beliefs. Hell, Ann Coulter has made a career out of it, and the only thing she is sensible enough to do is not run for office.

Cynthia would be a fine (?) addition to any of the talking head t.v. or radio shows that people with an aversion to actual news, thought and debate accept as actual journalism. Its just that she shouldn’t be in office wasting a valuable representative seat. I’ve called her office before as a constituent and asked her to do the honorable thing and please step down and let someone who is interested in representing ALL the people of the 4th district take the job. Obviously that’s fallen on deaf ears.

We can only hope that Mr. Johnson maintains his momentum, and coupled with the votes that were wasted on the guy from Alpharetta (Coyne? Cayne? What the hell was he thinking anyway) maybe we can finally have a representative with integrity in our district.

By Jamie

July 19, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Gotta love McKinny. At least she keeps GA in the news. Didn’t vote yesterday, but will definitly do so in the run-off and that too for McKinny!!

GO McKinny. You know you are onto something when Whiteys all over the country hate you.

By Joey

July 19, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

kb,

I disagree…

but that’s not the point. My post about Jimmy Carter stands. I wasn’t necessarily referring to the poor in just this country. Jimmy Carter still is the most humanitarian ex-president…and he may be called a lot of things, but not hypocrite or phony. Comparing his actual faith with the pandering of Ralph Reed is a false analogy.

By Carey

July 19, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Please re-elect Cynthia!! She is a perfect Democrat - incompetent, clueless, ignorant, racist, socialist, and narrow-minded. All the core qualities the Democrats look for.

By Van's #1 Fan

July 19, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Awww Van, I’m sorry. The winner today is DS who brought Clinton-bashing into the unrelated discussion of current state politics at 9:21 a.m. Good effort, though!

Please try again tomorrow to win the “I STILL Hate Clinton for Having a P-nis AND a Brain” little gold star o’ the day! Love ya!

By DeKalb resident

July 19, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Holy cow! The likelihood that Vernon Jones would run for Cynthia McKinney’s seat is all the more reason to vote for Hank Johnson!!

By John

July 19, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinny is still around because she has a lot of constituents that think she’s a tough rebel going against the white establishment. Getting into a fight at the capitol only solidified that base. They think she’s looking out for them when in fact she is just arrogant.

By kb

July 19, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

clarkslawga,

You have done little to impress me since you brought up examples of those with medical/mental conditions (previously, I said examples barring those conditions - but you were desperate - I understand). As for the elderly, would you accept that in many cases, again barring medical conditions that have interfered with proper planning, that there are some whose prior irresponsibility or poor planning has gotten them where they are?

I understand situations beyond control and am perfectly willing to help those folks until they get back on their feet - like military families, or those who have suffered huge unexpected losses (like Enron)or some other catastrophe, certainly the mentally and physically disabled, and those supporting medical conditions of themselves or family.

An individual who heavily skilled in labor/blue collar as opposed to white collar jobs does not represent a condition that should require perpetual supplementation from the taxpayers. The world is full of labor jobs and many of them pay quite well, again unless you are supporting twelve children.

So I think it might be worth you opening your mind to the fact that our welfare system is overwhelmingly abused and the examples you provide in which conditions are no fault of the individual are the exception - when it comes to perpetual dependency and dependence. The fact is, liberals just hate the idea of personal responsibility!

It’s just like the education system where liberals constantly cry for more money when numerous studies indicate that better schools can operate on a much lower per pupil cost. But again we throw more money at the problem and it gets us nowhere but on a continuous downward spiral!

By Nja

July 19, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Some people on this blog play the race card just as much as McKinney. If you took the time to actually find out (maybe by coming out of your shell and actually speaking to Black people) instead of just making assumptions you would know, a lot of Black people did not want McKinney back in office.

By Youmustbekidding

July 19, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

McKinney The racist biggot had Cindy the child deserter but now I love him so I can make money Sheehan as well as some sleeve tattoed man wanna be there as her front line supporters last night. Boy this should get her some votes in the run off. Come on Dekalb county see her for WHAT she is not what COLOR she is. If you MUST vote that way look at Hank Johnson he is black also! Please people get her out of office she is a national joke to our state.

By Cynthia Mckinney's hair dresser

July 19, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

JAMIE…you are an idiot(which makes up all of her base)!!!!!! you can’t even spell her name right

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Interesting how many of the “common sense conservative” posters around here who constantly deride any talk of “playing the race card” love to speak of their disdain for McKinney in a racial context (i.e., if a white person had done what Mckinney did, etc…).

I’ve never been a big fan of McKinney. She’s been in Congress 12 years, and hasn’t really built up much of a track record of performance other than 1) being one of the first to criticize Bush on the war and 2) being one of the only people to protest the disenfranchisement of eligible, registered black voters in Florida back in 2000, and 3) calling for substantial fiscal restraint on the budget in order to minimize the deficit.

But none of that has to do with her appearance or mannerisms.

Most of the folk in here voted for Bush in 2004 with the full knowledge that 1) his performance had been abysmal, 2) his potential for improving was unlikely, 3)he wasn’t intellectually curious about the matters on which he worked on, and 4) his ability to understand the complex issues presented to the White House were, at best, questionable. Oh yeah, he’s presided over the largest creation of/ increase in a deficit over a 5 year period in the history of…history.

The point of my post is, Both Bush and McKinney have dismal performance records and questionable judgment. Both seem a bit short-sighted. Both are likely not the best person for the jobs in which they have/seek.

Yet with Bush, you folks acted as if he was the Second Coming, and embarked on a quasi-religious crusade to keep him in office. McKinney, however, you villify, and act as though she has “666” stamped on her forehead.

Just thought it would be fun this morning to introduce y’all social conservatives (very different from the limited government fiscal conservatives, who I at least respect) to your own hypocrisy.

By Don't Forget The GOP Challenger in November

July 19, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Whoever wins this will be going up against [Republican Catherine Davis]. (http://www.catherinedavis.org/)

By seeing through the smoke

July 19, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

kd — clarkslawga anecdotal evidence is as valid as yours. If we want to talk about welfare for the poor, let’s start by defining welfare. Tell me what you mean when you say welfare.

By Nja

July 19, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Rarringt-

The majority of people on here pull the race card just as much as McKinney but for some reason think white people can’t pull the race card- just read some of the comments.

If they actually took the time to speak to Black people instead of assuming they would know there were a lot of Black people who wanted her out of office.

By GOP Challenger to Whoever Wins

July 19, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Whoever wins the runoff will have to go up against Republican Catherine Davis, a very successful African-American woman.

By kenny

July 19, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Who here would be willing to let the media investigate your past to run for office..as a christian, my sins and faults are not remembered by God…only the devil and his subjects..I am glad I believe people can change and receive second chances…but saying all that…I am glad Reed didnt get elected too

By Coweta Jacket

July 19, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

I really am glad they put those tougher voting rules in place. I voted 12 times through the early voting period and yesterday’s primary against Moonbat McKinney. And oh by the way, I live in Coweta County. I figured I could do my part by cancelling out some of the votes cast for her by the daytime porch sitters in her district.

By clarkslawga

July 19, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

I really am leaving after this. Just looked in on my way out and saw kb’s response.

A few things

I am not a liberal. It’s not that it would be a bad thing but I am just not one. I have pretty moderate positions on most issues. I rarely align myself with the D’s or the R’s exclusively and I most definitely think for myself and believe in personal responsibility.

Just because you call me one doesn’t make me one. It just means I am closer to the mainstream than you.

If anyone is at fault it is the electorate (all sides) for not demanding better.

I’d love for you to open your eyes and see the truth that poverty is real, but I can see that is not possible. I will reiterate that such comments as your “twinkie” comment are self-serving and make little or no impact on the abusers of the system (do you think they care?)

They do however allow a snapshot of what is truly in your heart.

By kb

July 19, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

seeing through the smoke: That’s “kb” by the way.

How about this definition: “Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.” Specifically, I am referring to taxpayer funded programs that provide monthly supplementation (or income altogether) to individuals. And I gather from your tone that you take the position that our welfare programs are only abused in a small minority of instances.

If that is correct, I’ll pose the same question to you: why don’t you give me an example of a poor person’s plight - representative of the rule not the exception, (justifying several years in that condition) where his circumstances are not a result of his own poor choices (barring those who may be disabled, suffer from other medical conditions, or have family members who do)?

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

” … my sins and faults are not remembered by God”

For Christ’s sake man get a grip and stop posting inane moronic dogma!!

By just me

July 19, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

How can people be stupid enough to still vote for someone crazy like C McKinney - oh my gosh I just don’t get it. At least she will be defeated in the runoff - hopefully in a landslide. Time to cross the party lines and vote for anyone running against her.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Who voted for Mckinney? The answer, according to the election results is MOST of the 4th District voters who participated in Tuesday’s elections. Those who attack Cynthia most viciously are those that don’t even live in our district. And yes there are racial issues being played out and unfortunately those that continue to jump into 4th District politics from other districts will continue to help KEEP Mckinney in office because you are not allowing us the opportunity to “check our own house”. Anytime someone is attacking your home turf they automatically become your enemy. Yeah you may get a few to come to your side but at the end we are left splintered and then the advantage in American politics goes to the incumbent. How dare some of you question the intellect of the 4th district voters when many of you voted for an idiot like George Bush. He has done more to embarrass all of us then any other politician. If you argue that Mckinney makes Georgia look bad then what do you say about Bush who makes America look horrible. Our state has been looked at for a long time as a bunch of redneck hillbillies and Cynthia Mckinney had nothing to do with that image. Campaign sloggings about the BIG GUY (glorifying being fat) and how much each candidate is against homosexuality and Devout Christians yet they have many divorces and get caught up in scandal after scandal. Let’s get real. I have met Hank Johnson and generally like the guy and probably would have voted for him had others not attempted to dictate to me who i should have representing me. If this was a state office then i wouldn’t mind all the comments because you should be involved and vocal about electing your representatives. But this is an issue for the residents of the 4th district and it will be a cold day in Hell before i allow someone outside of my district dictate who My representative will be. I may not like some of the bad attention that our Congresswoman has provided but i despise even more those outsiders who attempt to run their district and mine alike. Residents of the 4th also don’t be blindsided these same people won’t like any candidate that we elect to represent us; how much chance of winning do you think Hank Johnson would have of winning in their home districts? I think little Denise Magette proved this point. She was a star for them until she stepped across the line and then realized how many supporters she really didn’t have… If Mckinney is going to win or lose it should be because of the voters of the 4th District decided and not because the AJC or other districts don’t like her style.

By itsme

July 19, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Holy cow! The thought that Vernon Jones might run against Cynthia McKinney is another great reason to vote for Hank Johnson! — another DeKalb resident

By C.O.

July 19, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

I vote for spellcheck and grammar check! Come on, people! An intelligent comment is dimimished by errors; a stupid comment is convicted by them. If your answer is not represented below, it’s because there were just too many to include!

On the other hand, congratulations to Georgia for most of their preferences yesterday. I agree with Shar, however, that some of the lower-profile races are very important, and most of us, including me, do not have enough information about those candidates. We need to start before the day of the primary, finding information about everyone. A quick ajc or Google search before you go to the polls is better than nothing, but it’s not very good.

Here are some of the grammar/spelling losers:

it might be worth you opening your mind

Gotta love McKinny. At least she keeps GA in the news. Didn’t vote yesterday, but will definitly do so in the run-off and that too for McKinny!!

I guess the folks in her district don’t read the paper. or don’t write comments one.

marquis races

This is one christian coservative that will sit out the November election. I would never under any circumstances vor for Cagle.

Thank you Jim for giving the Black middle class of the 4th district credit for knowing a idiot when they see one.

By kb

July 19, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

clarkslawga,

I have all the heart in the world for those truly in need and resent your suggestions otherwise. And yes, you are right, you can’t convince me with your rhetoric and clear inability to answer my question. You can only keep stating that poverty is a true problem. I’m not debating that. Where you and I clearly differ is that you feel that the income of others (but probably not you) should be redistributed to those who have made irresponsible decisions or who knowingly abuse the system. Your inability to answer my simple question of providing an example representative of the masses hooked on the system speaks volumes about which one of us has a closed mind here!

By Dave

July 19, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

To Joey and other Christian bashers:

I suggest you re-read your New Testament. Jesus’ ministry and mission was not about liberal ideals. It was not about taking from the rich and giving to the poor. And it certainly was not about killing the unborn.

Jesus came to remind us what God’s nature truly was, and that is Grace. As God’s grace purifies us, we are to reflect God’s grace to humanity. Grace means forgiveness, it means compassion, it means servanthood (not servitude). But it does not mean I’m okay, you’re okay, and anything goes. Jesus was a lot of things, but never a liberal hippie bedwetter.

God clearly has standards, and Jesus upheld them firmly. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (Matthew 5:17)

I find it interesting that you would think that Christian fundamentalists are perverting religion. Perversion means to change (for the worse). The fundamentalists don’t want to change our religion, they are trying to maintain the standards set forth by Jesus and the Apostles. It’s the progressives and leftists who are trying to change our religion. Whether it is perversion (change for the worse) or not is a legitimate argument.

And to the person who came up with the clever term “Christo-Fascist”, I would remind you that a Fascist forbids any discussion that is contrary to his or her held beliefs. Isn’t that what you are trying to do to Fundamentalist Christians?

By Earl

July 19, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Yeah, kb, I am SO feelin’ the conditional love in your “heart.” (snerk) The gentleman you deride did indeed answer your question extensively, stating fact as fact and opinion as opinion, and citing the experience with which he acquired both. You, on the otherhand, have said nothing at all.

May karma be with you!

By Ron R.

July 19, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

The leftist looney, Cynthia, will always attract ignorant loonies, no matter what crimes she commits. Birds (loons) of feather stick together.

By seeing through the smoke

July 19, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

For the record, I think the welfare system — as it exists — is rather hopelessly broken. I am not dealing in anecdotal evidence to entertain this arguement.

“Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.”

by your definition, you cannot exclude medical/mental disability. However, it is a starting point.

The largest program that meets your definition would be social security which accounts for about a quarter of the “welfare budget” according to the GPO. Social security meets your definition of welfare, but I don’t think it’s what you are really talking about.

I suspect you are really talking about TANF or Temporary Aid for Needy Family, used to be AFDC (Aid for Families with Dependent Children). TANF and other means tested programs (including food stamps, section 8 housing subsidies, etc.) account for approximately 6% of the federal spending on “welfare”. TANF is, by far, the biggest program. It has been subject to the 5 year time limit and “welfare to work” rules imposed under Clinton. The average family receiving TANF is eligible for approximately 6 months.

Is there abuse of the programs? Unquestionably. Is it a major drain on our budget? That’s debatable and depends on priorities.

By J.Carville

July 19, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

To vote against Ralph Reed was to vote against a hypocritical, scumbag crook. It had absolutely nothing to do with being anti-christian. Ralph Reed’s actions with Jack Abramoff was everything but christian. Ralph used his influence with christians to profit at the expense of others. Ralph Reed can call himself head of the Christian Coalition all day long but his actions were anything but christian.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

@ the supercilious anal moron C.O.

Your infantile bollocks was hugely amusing. The blogging ‘culture’ excuses the odd typo or grammatical error. Not everyone has the time or the typing skills to lay out a perfect post. Indeed I look upon my own occasional mistakes with retrospective gratitude, knowing some little control freak ** such as yourself may well be compelled to snottily upbraid me.

Happily gotcha pedants such as yourself provide extremely soft targets for much needed verbal abuse opportunities, so please keep posting as if you are a smug arrogant little wanker!!

By kb

July 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Earl,

He did not answer my question and nor can you. Cite the example. You cannot. Why don’t you liberals, who believe that everyone on welfare is so good-intentioned and does not take advantage of situations for personal gain, make a good faith effort and lead by donating your own income to a corrupted system - since apparently you think so highly of it. When you radical liberals take that step and speak with your actions rather than your dependency encouraging, self-responsibility depleting, bs words, maybe a few of us on the “right side of the issues” will take a little notice.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

@ Dave …

FOR CHRIST’S SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP …

Thank you so much!!

The Devil

By James

July 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Time for the truth.. High Five!

By Cobb Resident

July 19, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

you want to know who voted for Cynthia?? look no further than the section 8 housing that covers her district. she sure knows how to rally the incompetent to her side. heck, it doesn’t take much more than to look at the posting by “Dekalb Resident” to see that.

By On the other hand:

July 19, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

To clarkslawga, Well said about the underprivileged poor of our state. Most people in the middle class are one job or health catastrophe from joining them. The middle-upper class, well educated are the same. Stock markets can make or break the best of us. I plan on having a box of twinkies while glued to the tv on run-off election night when the results come in. I see McKinney one day staring in a “Desparate Congress Has-Beens” series, or SNL.

By Jay

July 19, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Sorry Hank! Had I known Casey could handle it without me, I would have pitched in like I did for Denise in ‘02. Good luck on August 8th!

By Jesse Sharpton

July 19, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

The difference between McKinney & Howard Dean is about 500 miles.

By SamX

July 19, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

After seeing how many people voted for Ralph Reed I think we should re-evaluate the whole Republican value system.

Its apparent that the meth problem has now affected the way you Christians vote. Please get some help, meth is now epidemic in the Bible Belt. I don’t think Jesus would be a meth user. Do you?

Please Georgia, get help with your Meth problem.

The least we could do is ban meth marriage. A simple blood test could show if there is meth use, if there is- no marriage.

Here’s a great issue for the fall campaign. The Meth Marriage Amendment. Lets give you Republicans a clear head to vote with!

Remember Republicans its the 10 commandments, not the 3 commandments. A little less meth and a lot more Sunday School would be a good start.

You Republican meth addicts spend your days blogging, inventing these non-reality ideologies. Stop! Neocons are probably the result of some 5 day meth induced drug binge. And DON’T go out hunting after getting all jacked up!

And…What about the children????

By BlindHomer

July 19, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Interesting that all the neo-cons from Wooten to Boortz are trumpeting the runoff as a McKinney loss when it most likely will result in at least another two years in Congress for her. I think they call that winning. Carter’s presidency failed because he was a Christian, more suited to be a baptist minister than represent U.S. interests in a very hostile world. Sterilizing poor people, rather than assisting them, would solve most of our social problems in a couple of generations.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

@ SamX

Are you sure you’re not a crystal meth dealer or user yourself? Your quite astonishing drug expertise seems a tad suspicious.

I suppose your seemingly natural paranoia comes from abusing ritalin in some backward Afrocentric liberal Atlanta skool (watch C.O. pounce on that) during those teenage angst filled years under the Sick Willie Clinton regime.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

To: Cobb Resident,

Your post proves the point that I was making. Unfortunately, you may not be smart enough to realize it. And just for the record it isn’t Mckinney that mobilizes me; rather, it’s people like you!!

By duder

July 19, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

You seemed to miss the boat on Reed. His ethical issues with the Abramoff connections were as much his undoing and anything else.

By honest plight

July 19, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Cynthia’s hairdresser - calling people an idiot because they vote for whom they choose, no matter your personal feelings, is well…idiotic. While I do, and will continue to support her, I respect other’s opinions and choices to not do the same.

By Markus

July 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

TO: Dekalb Resident

By Dave

July 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

@time for the truth

Thanks for proving my point.

By honest plight

July 19, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Like I mentioned, I do support Cynthia. I’m not on Section 8 housing, I consider myself to be quite intelligent, and I am financially sound. But even if her entire votes came from the Section 8 “community”, what is the problem with that. People seem to have this stereotype, that Section 8 = not intelligent, or poor = stupid, and likewise that a lot of money or Republican = intelligent.

By Markus

July 19, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

TO: Dekalb Resident

We metro Atlantans have every right to say whatever we want about McKinney. It’s only you mindless idiots within her district that support her (andn what has she done FOR said district besides drawing up a bill investigating the death of Tupac?). McKinney and her hotheaded “it’s the JEWS! JEWS! J-E-W-S!” father (like father like daughter) are an embarrassment to Georgians. Her latest fiasco on smacking a cop and then playing the 1964 race card was beneath the sewer.. even for that rat of a woman. Let’s also not forget that the only reason she’s still in office is because Majette left. Maybe McKinney will move to Iran with the rest of her jihad supporters.

By Earl

July 19, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you liberals, who believe that everyone on welfare is so good-intentioned…

KB, Nice use of misquoting and making s—t up to support a baseless assumption. I don’t know ANYONE who claims “everyone on welfare is good intentioned.” I don’t recall claiming the “liberal” label either. But feel free to continue spewing your devisive rhetoric. It’s a good illustration of the real reason almost no problems have been solved in this country for some time now. May karma… well, you know.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

@ Dave

Errrrrrr … you had no point mate, you just peddled a load of witless religious dogma that actually signified nothing.

@ dekalb resident

presumably you must “despise” Cobb Resident according to the absurdly pompous criteris of your earlier bollocks. If so then I demand you “despise” me too for my earlier remarks about its district/the racist trollope McKinney- otherwise you will be perpetrating discrimination in your despising, and we cant have that now can we?

Just one other thing bubba, could you please let me know if you despise me or Cobb Resident the most!! I am praying with all my heart and soul to the dead for two centuries now Lord Jesus that its me * big smirk*

By Youmustbekidding

July 19, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

The question here is wheather you are A Dekalb resident or not how can anyone of reasonable intelligence truly down deep in thier heart think this woman is good for thier community? Just be truthful to yourself when you go to the polls. Bigotry and racism will NEVER end unil BOTH sides let it rest. We want the race card put back in the deck just as much as any other race but that wont happen as long as people like McKinney get elected to public office. Another good example is the New Orleans mayorial race, as bad a job as Ray Nagin did during the Katrina crisis all he had to say was we are going to make this a chocolate city and the office was his. Even though he later apologized for the statement he meant it and knew it would get him elected even after doing a horrible job before and during the crisis. Since the crisis all he has done is stand back and blame the debacle on the federal government! The only reason he was elected is because he is black and we all know it! As a voting public we must start voting on the merits and morality of the candidate not just his or her race! I know this will fall on a lot of deaf ears but there is a lot of truth in this statement. We need to band togeather as a country and stop all this racist BS we are in a WORLD WAR IT IS US AGAINST THE TERRORIST AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN WIN IT IS TOGEATHER! Please be my American brother or siter and have my back no matter what race I am. Vote for the good of the country, state or community please! Our countries welfare is depending on it.

By Neil Bortz

July 19, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Did anyone get a good look at the Big Guy’s wife? I thought cradle robbing was against the law in this state. It only goes to show that where else but in American can a 400 pound middle age, 50-something fat man snag a 20-something hottie with store-bought curves. Nice to see Gold Digging is alive and well in the 2006 Gubenatorial race.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

should read

dead for two millennia now Lord Jesus … I was larrrfing so hard I forgot to use my spell check C.O. - sorry bubba!!

By Neil Bortz

July 19, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

By Neil Bortz

July 19, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Did anyone get a good look at the Big Guy’s wife? I thought cradle robbing was against the law in this state. It only goes to show that where else but in American can a 400 pound middle age, 50-something fat man snag a 20-something hottie with store-bought curves. Nice to see Gold Digging is alive and well in the 2006 Gubenatorial race.

By kb

July 19, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Earl,

Why don’t you spend a little less time defending those who misapproiate our well intentioned help and go back to your cause of ensuring that voters don’t have to show IDs (because afterall, that’s not nice either and to suggest that rampent voter fraud is also a huge problem would mean that the person making that suggestion would be deserving of bad karma) BTW, you are a liberal!

By BlindHomer

July 19, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Plight - Poor doesn’t necessarily equal stupid, but stupidity is certainly a contributing factor to a lot of poverty. It doesn’t make the poor less human or ethically inferior, but their average IQ is a lot lower than the middle and upper classes. That’s not a sterotype, that’s a fact.

By Pam

July 19, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Mr. Wooten for finally recognizing the power of the black middle class in Atlanta. Contrary, to popular belief we are well educated, live in beautiful homes, and want the best for our families. If people outside of the black middle class would take time to drive through our beautiful communities located in south DeKalb County, southwest Atlanta, south Fulton County, and other areas, they would see that our neighorhoods are not much different from those located in North Fulton and East Cobb. I am glad to see a runoff between Johnson and McKinney (I voted for Johnson) because it shows that the black middle class just wants the best for our community and we won’t continue to settle for anything or anybody.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

@ Boortz

I couldn’t actually see his wife because when she was standing right next to him she was hidden behind his cheek jowls and when she was a couple of feet away his huge black demonic shadow cast her into the darkness of very poor TV lighting.

By honest plight

July 19, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Be it as it may, Blindhomer, they are still capable, and should have the right to vote, and voice their opinion, whether or not it agrees with me, you, or anyone else.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

To: Markus

You are right, as an American you have the right to say whatever you want no matter how misinformed you may be. However, the people of the 4th district are the ones who will chose our Representation. Do you know who your representative is? maybe your political energy could be better spent affecting those races in which you have a vote. I doubt if you care much about what Mckinney has done for the 4th district as i care little about what your representative has done for your district. If you are truly interested than take the time to visit her site to see what she views as her contribution to the 4th district. But i can say that with her having served in congress representing this district for 12 years then obviously the voters feel she is doing something regardless of whether or not other Metro Atlanta Residents agree with how important that “something” is.

By Dave

July 19, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

@time for the truth

I did make a point (two, actually) succinctly and clearly. You’ll also notice I didn’t resort to name calling. To do so would reveal a lack of substance and tact.

By What?

July 19, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

He did not answer my question and nor can you. Cite the example.

The reason no one can answer your question is that it is not asked with any sense of intellectual honesty. You aren’t looking for an answer, you just want more people to call liberal. It’s a lot like asking the question “can God make a stone so big he can’t lift it.” It’s nonsensical and shows the ignorance of the person asking.

I know of no one, regardless of how liberal, that would say that everyone on welfare is so good-intentioned and does not take advantage of situations for personal gain.

And you still have not answered clarkslawga’s 9:46 challenge of providing any real research or evidence to back up your opinion. Not anecdotes of “Well I knew this person (one time at band camp) but real evidence.

Perhaps you should step up and answert hat question instead of simply calling everyone who is calling you out on this a liberal.

By Alan

July 19, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the informative article. Just thought the readers would like to know about Douglas Dean’s behaviour at the polls. He showed up at the YET center with his supporters and began hurling insults at his opponent Margaret Kaiser. Many of them were racial epiteths (Dean is african-american and Kaiser is white) The police had to be called twice to get him to stop blocking the polls. Please vote this man out in the run off.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

@ Dave

cheers for the wholly unexpected pouting. All you did,as I already said, was push more witless religious dogma. I dont recall any name calling on my part, just astute descriptive characterisation.

It would be unbelievably bland and mindnumbingly boring if every single post on here was assiduously polite. Also it would seriously undermine the art of disagreement.

By Dave

July 19, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

I was hoping this blog would be a venue for intelligent debate, but I see it’s more about vicious name calling, mockery, and personal insults.

No need to waste any more time here.

By Dave

July 19, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

@time for the truth

If adverbial overuse counts for substance, then you’re the king of debate.

Cheers.

By TPM

July 19, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinney will be re-elected. Like her or not she will get her troops to vote in three weeks. It will be very difficult for Hank Johnson to rely on people coming out to vote a second time in this runoff..

I hope I’m wrong…

By true to one

July 19, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Perhaps soon-to-be ex-Congresswoman McKinney would feel more at home in Africa since she seems to think she must dance for the media at every photo op. I have the utmost respect for true African natives who perform ritualistic dances to celebrate their nationality and culture. The music and dancing is very intricate and beautiful. McKinney’s version of these dances is a travesty. She discredits native Africans. I have little respect for these so called African-Americans” living in GA who have no claim to African heritage whatsoever and if they ever visited a real African village they would surely turn tail and run back to the USA as fast as they could. I am of European descent but I refer to myself as an AMERICAN. Period. And darn proud of it and our troops who gladly put themselves in harms way to protect the freedoms that some of us are appearing to take for granted. Take THAT McKinney and Sheehan. Take her down Mr. Johnson! She has “aped” around GA way too long.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

@ Dave

intelligent debate invariably extends beyond parroting petulant unsupported religious dogma. Its actualy kind of pointless to proffer what might be deemed ‘normative’ substantive counter arguments to such asinine bollocks. The risk of humiliating a religious nutter is much too great!

I do appreciate your kind critique of my patter though, albeit a tad disingenuous.

By Earl

July 19, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

KB says: go back to your cause of ensuring that voters don’t have to show IDs

KB, I don’t mean to be impolite, but DANG you’re stupid! Did you not vote yesterday? Did they not require you to show an ID? Please access the GA Sec of State website for a list of seventeen types of identification that are acceptable to present at your precinct when voting.

I was unaware that I was even discussing “rampent (haha) voter fraud.” That stuff you’re smoking… do you share? Ralph needs a buzz today.

By kb

July 19, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

By what,

There is nothing wrong with a question asking for examples of situations that merit perpetual taxpayer support - barring instances stated earlier. The fact that you personally have trouble computing it does not point to anyone but you.

The fact is, that most answers would likely suggest a lack of personal responsibility that led to the dependency and no one wants to go there. Why, because the hand-outs could no longer be defended - and there’s a huge base that wants to defend the handouts fiercely (largely liberals). I imagine I’m hearing from one of them now.

By C.O.

July 19, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Gee whiz, must’ve struck a nerve, Time for the Truth. You are right that I’m anal about grammar, and usually I don’t make people so furious with it. Just in a mood to be picky this morning I guess. You are right that blogging has different standards, and they don’t need to be exact - I do think that people’s names should be spelled right, though, will you give me that?

The more important comment I made, about being an informed voter, I noticed you disregarded. It’s not all that profound, I suppose -

OK, I’m done blogging - don’t do it much anyway.

C.O.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

McKinney and Sheehan - the black and white liberal nutjob feminazi show!!

Bet Luckovich doesn’t use that quite amusing caption next week for one of his treasonous cartoons!!

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

I’m anxious to see the debates between Purdue and the Fat Man. I thought Roy Barnes was a good governor and would have liked for him to have been re-elected so i was a little disappointed when Purdue was elected. Now that i’ve watched Purdue in office i actually think he’s done a pretty good job. I’m not to found of the Big Guy and currently looks like i’ll be voting for Purdue. Taylor reminds me of all that good ole boy Georgia Politics and those are the Democrats that vary rarely repesent my concerns.

By what

July 19, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

You are as predictable as the tides.

I disagree, so I must be a liberal. Didn’t I say you’d do that. I think I did.

There are many conservatives who would believe you are wrong. Since you are so into examples, I happen to be one. I follow a book of teachings that never said “Take care of the poor unless they don’t deserve it.” It just says “Take care of the poor.” And yes I believe the government and the private sectors should both play a part.

And there is something wrong with asking for such “examples” if the point of them is to base an opinion on them or the lack thereof. The point many have been trying to make to you is that there is verifiable data out there that could confirm or refute your contention, yet you still avoid citing any and rely on the band camp stories.

Answer the challenge. Upon what evidence, not a skewed example, did you base your earlier comment?

Its not enough to say “most everyone on welfare is a cheat and is there because they are lazy” and then when asked how you came to that stance to say “well, everyone knows it.”

Its hard to take you seriously when you do nothing but make sweeping unsupportable statements and when called on them ignore the challenge.

Step up and support your comments with something other than spin, buzzwords and band camp stories or be branded as an ignorant blowhard.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

@ C.O …

no nerve struck mate - its just good fun handing it back!!

The majority of people are hardly well informed voters, on either side of the aisle, and so called moderates/swing voters who supposedly engage with the process until a month or two beforehand are often even more politically challenged. Most people vote for what they perceive to be to their benefit personally or against a particular ideology/candidate. Hence the name/party recognition is so important here, the actually propounded policies are sadly all too often incidental.

But it is fun adopting a persona on blogs and (occasionally) pushing it to the limit.

By What?

July 19, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

kb,

(The above was for you too.)

And the reason this conservative is speaking up on this is that I am tired of the ignorant framing the debate with nothing but what they hear on the radio and TV. There are those of us in the conservative camp that can think for ourselves and understand the value of veracity and accuracy.

Your kind of conservative just makes us look bad and I for one am sick of it.

By kb

July 19, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Earl,

Everyone knows a valid (meaning it’s effective) voter id is not a utility bill. In today’s circles, “voter id” has been referring to a photo id - like that which has been discussed all over the news lately (put the Twinkies down). It seems fair to assume that one of your nature (a nature that you have displayed here today) would volunteer efforts to keep picture ids out of the requirements or would have other similar causes to which you might devote your time.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Go Cynthia do your thang chile. You were the first one to speak out against the war and everyone is following your lead. Stop the hate. First of all, true to one, the Indians were here first. Folks in Europe doesn’t claim white folks over here becuase you are considered the bottom of the heap. That is why you just call yourself an American you have no ther choice. No one wants you. Why is the name AFRICA so powerful and scares white people to death. Everybody else can call themselves Italian-American, Polish-American, Asian-Americans or whatever and everybody says it is great. But the minute we say “AFRICAN-AMERICAN everybody gets angry. Is it not anger but guilt that gets people to act like that. If it was something really on that tape to prosecute Cynthia they would have done it by now. You can believe that.

By Artemus

July 19, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Big eyes, a big mouth, and a lunatic has-been politician daddy does not a congresswoman make. Voters in the 4th are smarter than that. Goodbye (again) Cynthia!

By Charley

July 19, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

I am a lifelong resident of DeKalb County and a lifelong Democrat. Race and party affiliation have nothing to do with awful representation. For example, our district previously endured an extraordinary hypocrite and ultimately convicted felon Pat Swindall. But Cynthia McKinney truly is in a class by herself. She could have the distinction of being the worst congressman in the history of our entire country. I am honored to work and vote for Hank Johnson.

By Thrilled in the 4th

July 19, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

I have lived in south DeKalb for 23 years. I am thrilled with the election results for the citizens of the 4th. It is imperative that we all come out to SUPPROT HANK JOHNSON on August 8 so this district can, once and for all, be relieved of the histrionics and ineffectiveness of Cynthia Mckinney.

By JR

July 19, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Dear Hotlanta,

Racism is not any prettier if it’s black instead of white. Idiocy is also colorblind as you and your hero CM attest.

By allen

July 19, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

All of you Cagle fans do deserve your day in the sun….you did win the battle. The problem is that the way you won it was with lies and just was just plain low life. Thus celebrate now but in Nov. I (and many of my fellow crazies) will watch this race from the sidelines. Hope you don’t need us (even though we do make up at least a 1/3 of the GOP base in Georgia.

Maybe there is some truth in winning the battle but losing the war. hmmmm

By MELO

July 19, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

So one district in GA is responsible for low test scores and all the “bad” things about GA.I dont like Cynthia and would never vote for her, but pleeeze be real. We have other problems bigger than this one lady.

By Rob

July 19, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Reed is a hypocrite and McKinney is an idiot. So long to both.

By kb

July 19, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

By What,

If you are thinking for yourself, why don’t you cite valid research to prove me wrong and suggest that you are not just basing your position on your opinions.

The statistics that are available are depressing and point to a system in shambles like one study that cites:

“about 40 percent stay for more than two years. Imposing a time limit of two years for the family head to begin working prevents families from using welfare as a permanent crutch.” And that does not take into account those who re-enter the welfare program in some capacity in another area where they haven’t met limits.

http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/pi/welfare/wel50.html

Interestingly, my experience in the arena is consistent with the suggestions of this study. Many section 8 face limits in certain counties, and so will hop from county to county to stay on.

Please tell me about your information that leads you to believe that these abuses are more minimal in nature.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

So who is Newt representing. Oh it great how he left his first wife, she had to go on welfare but grandstanded for welfare reform. PLEASE talking about talking out of the side of your neck.

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Hotlanta

Your racist drivel was hilarious love, even more amusing was the quaint cyber ebonics used to evince your obtuse anti-white bigotry. Clearly with intellectual giants like yourself supporting it McKinney sadly has a chance of winning and shaming Georgia for another two years.

Africa doesn’t scare or frighten me love - but the corruption/tribalism/genocide/epidemics/famine/oppression etc does make me wary of handing over yet more aid into a bottomless pit bolstering some of the nastiest dictators/killers on the planet.

African-American is another politically correct, micky mouse term for blacks made up by the corrupt racial huckster - the micky mouse reverend Jackson - and he’s not actually a real reverend - he never went to a proper theology school/seminary.

“Guilt” HA HA HA - for what???

By honest plight

July 19, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

I’m not sure I am in agreement with all of Hotlanta’s comments, but what do you care “time for truth/candide” if blacks call themselves black or African-Americans.

By Tyrell

July 19, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

McKinney is an embarrassment to the people of Georgia.Put her in jail where she belongs,though she will probably put herself there soon enough.Corrupt,crazy bigot!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Hello, hope everyone is doing well today. We’re melting in South Georgia. Please tell me that next month is November. Hello Hotlanta, you might want to lay off some of that crack. Would you care to “enlighten” us a little more with some of your racist bigoted trash? Cynthia McKinney’s an idiot. Just look into her wild, spaced-out eyes. There AIN’T no one home!!! And judging by the size of her A**, she could get us all arrested with ALL THAT CRACK!

By Barbara

July 19, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth, you know I adore you….. seriously. But can’t you see that some can hold Christian values and beliefs and still make important comments and be a part of a spirited debate? You’ve never bashed me, although I’ve shared some pretty point-blank Christian posts. We have a lot of other things in common.

Won’t you lighten up my dear chap?

By Political Foreskin

July 19, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinney is the BLACK BUSH. Her remarks are nearly always innappropriate, and you can count on her to put on a clown act, (just like W, thus, C.McKinney is the BLACK BUSH)

This excerpt from The BLACK BUSH’s speech earlier this morning about the upcoming runoff election:

“I’m a African American, Female Congresswoman with an Afro and Corn Rows. My advisors have begged me NOT to show you where my corn rows are. So instead, I’ll tell you why you should vote for me. Firstly, if you dont vote for me, I’ll know that it’s because I’m an African American Female. You see, I get a double barrel of prejudice being both a female Congresswoman, and Black. So an election that goes against me proves one thing: Georgians are collectively a bunch of misogynous racists who’d rather bring back the confederate flag and ante bellum institutions like cotton ginning and bow weevil racing than accept the world they live in……maybe I shoulda showed you my corn rows, eh? Is this mike on? What?

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Oh by the way Hotlanta…Just what part of AFRICA are you from???

By kb

July 19, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

By What writes:

Your kind of conservative just makes us look bad and I for one am sick of it.

Put correctly, that would be “you’re as in “you are”. I think you can stop lobbing the ignorant, uneducated and otherwise idiot labels to me for a while.

By Barbara

July 19, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Political Fore, that was GREAT!

By time for the truth

July 19, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

@ dishonest plight

I dont actually “care” - just making the political point about racial political correctness. Love the way you pussyfooted saying you’re “not sure if you agreed”.

Winding up black bigots is as much fun as white bigots.

Barbara …

its nothing personal, you’re always nice to me so I try to reciprocate - but I cannot stand Ralph Reed types who smugly use their religious affiliations etc to try and get elected. PLus his past is not exactly Clinton clean is it?

It depends on the “christian” points at issue … the mindless dogma I objected to earlier was OTT - but each to their own of course.

Try and understand though that to those of us who are not at all religious it is often very oppressive to have this constantly rammed down your throat on a blog or in real life. I dont frequently ram my agnosticism with selected tracts/quotes etc to push my ‘cause’. I do react, usually badly, though to those who push their religion on me.

Nor do I make constant unsupported assertions about my beliefs on almost any topic … as many christians on here tend to every day!!

Some times it can just be too much!!

By kb

July 19, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

By What, I’ll go ahead and humbly correct myself and say that I misread your quote as “Your the kind of conservative”

I apoligize. I do think you can put a rest to the name calling though, I mean the really low stuff like idiot, stupid, and worse etc.

You and Earl won’t let up until I agree with your viewpoint that the programs in place to address povery are not overwhelmingly abused. For that you think I am stupid, heartless and deserving of bad karma.

I did my part and provided statistics (see link above). I am not in a position now to do extensive research on the subject, but would be interested in seeing any of your data that suggests the opposite.

By Voice of Reason

July 19, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Actually kb, What’s usage was correct!

By Joan dillon

July 19, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

I love it that Cynthia has to work at winning now. I intend to make some signs and work against her. What that means, unfortunately, is that she will come back to DeKalb and go on the Board of Commissioners and make life in DeKalb more of a living hell (for the taxpayer/property owner) than it is already.

By honest plight

July 19, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

not pussyfooting around anything - I have NO problem saying what I do or do not agree with, in person or on a blog. My point to you was simply this, you say African-American is a “mickey mouse” term, I say who cares if it is. It’s a term, move on to something a tad more substantial. Does it matter who coined it, who it pertains to, whether or not it is relative etc.. Your air of superiority overwhelms you and only you. And I’m not sure where you a-s-s-u-m-e that you have wound me up, or I am a black bigot (neither of which is true). You know what happens when you a-s-s-u-m-e.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Who said Race doesn’t matter in America…LOL… Not sure what America they live in. Here’s a reality: In America, White Americans can not understand why race matters so much to African Americans. When you have a majority status, whatever makes you a part of the majority is normally not the issue that you tend to focus on most; however it’s the very issue that unifies the minority. If whites would like to see how quickly you will connect around race; then be the only white man or woman in a room filled with 200 black men (and to make it easier they all have 3 piece suits and are well spoken; just wanted to help you avoid the tendancy to think of a criminal element); then allow a White man or woman to enter that room and see how quickly you will attempt to connect with them regardless of what else you know about them. my point is that Blacks and Whites discussing race in this type of forum is very difficult because neither side can truly understand the others perspective. These types of forums tend to only fuel the fire on both sides. However, it is long over due for America to find a forum to discuss the issue of RACE in a meaningful manner!!

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Interesting.

Atlanta is currently the First City of the New South, and owes it’s remarkable success to socially progressive, fiscally moderate, highly educated people of all ethnic stripes.

“Geoogia,” on the other hand, seems to be teeming with folks like the ones on this site, who mistake the word conservative for common sense, and by whose actions ensure that Georgia consistently ranks at or near the bottom in all statistics.

Namely individuals who confuse being argumentative with having a legitimate argument.

People who engage in race baiting one moment (see True’s 1:07 post about going to Africa and “aping” around the state), while accusing those bold enough to denounce your racist practices as playing the race card.

Those who claim to be christians, but excel in stupendous amounts of intolerance. Also, those who seem to forget that the founding fathers put separation of chuch and state in the First Amendment to protect people from the Religious Right of any religious persuasion.

Those who talk about education, but are clearly interested in initiatives (or lack therein) that result in the state being at or near the bottom.

It’s a shame, Jim, that your blog attracts the intellectual sludge that calls themselves conservative, when you and I both know that Bill Buckley & Co. would not recognize these people, and ask them to leave his ideology the heck alone.

Racism, sexism, religously intolerant, homophobic, zenophobic, “learn-o-phobic” behavior is antithetical to traditional conservative doctrine (i.e., limited government, fiscal restraint, and strong defense). Yet so many people here tend to shun the latter for the former. That’s not conservatism. That’s fascism, redneck style.

Velcome to ze New Vorld Order, y’all….

By C.O.

July 19, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Hey Time, Thanks for your intelligent reply about informed/disinformed voters. I think you are smarter than the average blogger. If nothing else, you taught me two new words today: bollocks and wanker. Very interesting fig. and literal meanings! (I did know pedant, naturally.) Love, C.O.

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Time for the truth said:

Africa doesn’t scare or frighten me love - but the corruption/tribalism/genocide/epidemics/famine/oppression etc does make me wary of handing over yet more aid into a bottomless pit bolstering some of the nastiest dictators/killers on the planet.

I won’t waste time lecturing you on the effects of colonialism, namely because it will likely be lost on most of the folks here.

But with all due respect, Yugoslavia, North Korea, most of the breakaway “Stan” countries, and of course, our Aryan friends are much more effective at commiting some of the items on your laundry list of ills than the folks in Burkina Faso.

That’s the name of a country, folks. You really need to stop watching Jerry Springer so much….

By She's got to go!

July 19, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

AUGUST 8th, Folks!! Mark your calendars, we MUST capitalize on this opportunity. We will be the laughing stock of all talk radio and news analyst shows if we fail to vote Cynthia on August 8th. August 8th August 8th August 8th August 8th Easy to remember - 8/8/06

By Get her out!!

July 19, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

AUGUST 8th, Folks!! Mark your calendars, we MUST capitalize on this opportunity. We will be the laughing stock of all talk radio and news analyst shows if we fail to vote Cynthia out of office on August 8th. August 8th August 8th August 8th August 8th Easy to remember - 8/8/06

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Hello rarringt: Let me tell you something Mr. Socially progressive, fiscally moderate, highly educated people of all ethnic stripes…if it wasn’t for the rest of the state you geniuses would starve to damn death up there in that cess pool. Don’t give me your high & mighty “better than thou” speech. Your college degree just proves that you can even teach a monkey to peel a banana. When you get a “legitimate argument”, please let me know. All I read is a bunch of arrogant liberal B.S. And it might come as a surprise to you, but we Christians also have the right to voice our opinions as well. If you don’t agree, then I guess that’s just tough, live with it. There’s one thing about being Christian…If I’m wrong, when I die I don’t have anything to worry about. If you’re wrong, your A*S is toast, you socialist a*******wipe!

By BlindHomer

July 19, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

I can see Plight’s side too. The section 8’s are entitled to representation, and Cynthia seems to resonate with them. And aren’t you more embarrased by W than CM? He’s a disgrace, as was Clinton, and the treasonous Reagan for that matter. I don’t understand the ‘she got what she deserved’ comments. Once again, she WON the election, hence the bab hair momma dance, she just didn’t get a majority.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Whether Cynthia is in office or not she will still get a check once a month. She will get the last laugh on you idiots.

By Dave

July 19, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

The time has arrived that the “concerned” voters of 4th District improve their “station in life” and realize that C.McKinney is a joke! She is not respected by her colleagues and relies on the folks of” lesser smarts to enhance her image..time to get this idoit out of the headlines and put to the employment line.We are in need of pro active representation that understands what is important to America citizens.

Get out and VOTE..you can make a difference!

By Jamie

July 19, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

once again, anyone who can get whiteys riled up as much as Cynthia Mckinney does, is my HERO.

She is winning in the run-off and I am voting for her.

Denise Majette thought white conservative racists must really like her when she decided to run for the Senate; but they showed their true colors. She was their hero when she was running against someone who dared to speak against retarded president; but was a BLACK woman when she was asking for their votes.

Shows you

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Such idiocy as that spouted by rarringt and the other far-lefters is one of the MANY reasons why Demoncrats can’t win a national election anymore. Two Presidents in the last 38 years and you still don’t get it. The ONLY REASON that your hero Slick Willie won is because he lied and ran as a “moderate”. I used to wonder how people could be fooled to believing in the Anti-Christ…After Bill Clinton it’s now hard to understand! Some people will fall for most anything. rarringt, I’ve seen some of your “progressive values”. I’ll pass.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Correction…”After Bill Clinton it’s NOT hard to understand!”

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

When Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool ALL of the people some of the time, and Some of the people all of the time, but you can not fool ALL of the people ALL of the time”, ‘he obviously had not met any liberals, uh excuse me, uh progressives. (They’re so proud of their twisted positions they’re running from the “L” word)

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

U gotta,

First, I’m a Christian, raised Pentecostal. That’s much more socially conservative than most Southern Baptists. I recognize very little in your posts that would lead anyone to believe you understood anything about true Christianity. But enough about you. The larger point here is that this country was designed to allow fo all people and groups to have a right to speak their minds. Religious Righters seem to be obsessed with freedom of speech — unless, of course, someone is saying something they don’t like. At the end of the day, it’s not about silencing any group; it’s about making sure any group cannot silence any other person.

Second, I’m not exactly what you’d call a tree hugging liberal. Well, you’d call me that, but you’d still be wrong. As is stated by at least one person daily on the blog, 1) the words conservative and liberal do not demonize anyone, they merely describe an ideology, and 2) just because someone doesn’t agree with you, they are not “liberal” in the derogatory sense you mean. They simply disagree. In your case Ugotta, they’re probably right, and your discomfort is probably what’s left of your common sense fighting through all that ignorance.

Third, I don’t have a problem with “the rest of the state.” Actually, I travel throughout the state for my job, and most people I’ve met are very decent, nice, thoughful and polite folk. They’re also brighter than they get credit for. Like them, I have a problem with people like you who strive to maintain their woeful ignorance about themselves, their community, and the world in general, and then impose that doctrine of ignorance on the rest of us.

Just like you can’t say the D.C. sniper represents all black people, or Hitler represents all white people, I am relieved to know that you don’t represent all rural Georgians. Suffice to say, if you were to move into the neighborhood, most folks would suddenly start worrying about declining property values.

By NotKidding

July 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Ugotta B. Kidding -

Well, looks GW fooled you twice and if he could, he would fool you again!

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Ugotta,

Nice quote. Dubya said “You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”

Welcome to neoconservativism 101

By joeylee

July 19, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Someone please tell me: Is Cynthia married?

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Boy this is more fun than a good game of dodgeball. Rarringt, I love that line about you being “raised Pentecostal. That’s much more socially conservative than most Southern Baptists.” I’m not knocking your religion but OBVIOUSLY you didn’t get that CONSERVATIVE message. And why do you keep running from the liberal title? Come on be honest rarringt. I admit to being a conservative. I don’t hide from it. Of course if I were a liberal, uh progressive, I’d probably be ashamed to admit it too. Glad you’ve got to meet some of the people outside the city limits of Atlanta. You’ve probably met some folks with a little common sense. I agree rarringt that we ALL have the right to freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want, I’m going to. But when you begin your little school girl name-calling like you did in your 2:54pm post calling us conservatives Fascists, racists, homophozes, zenophobes, etc. I’m not “turning the other cheek” sweet cheeks.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

You must’ve read that quote in the New York Slimes rarringt.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

You might want to check into that joeylee. I hear she might be gettin’ a check.

By mckinneyouttahere

July 19, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

I cannot wait to vote against Nutcase McKinney again. I would vote for Osama bin Laden before I’d vote for her. But Vernon Jones running for the seat in two years?? I think I’d have to vote for Osama again, given that choice. As for governor, well, we have two choices: “Bubba” or “Billy Bob”. We must be in GA, it’s good ol’ boy politics as usual. Cox would have been a welcome change. Sorry to see Jeff Rader win, too, looks like the “McMansion” cancer will just keep spreading in DeKalb w/ the developer’s best buddy in Dist. 2…worse than who he’s replacing, and she was definitely no prizewinner except in the useless category!

By What?

July 19, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

kb,

I never called you anything other than ignorant. No idiot, no stupid, no worse. And imust say it is rather a fitting description, which is substantially different than calling someone a name with no support (see above where you call everyone who doesn’t think just like you a liberal.)

Ignorant means a lack of knowledge. Facts, not opinion equate knowledge. Your pulling one web address hardly amounts to knowledge.

Face it. You were challenged to back up your twinkie comment over 6 hours ago. You can not do so. You are ignorant on the subject. Your support has consisted of branding everyone who dared call you on it as a liberal and then this one lone web address from a conservative think tank in Texas.

You are the one that made the weeping generalization, no one else. Therefore the burden of proof falls to you. Attempting to reflect that burden back on your critics is sad indeed. You cannot say “Well, I have no facts to prove what I am saying, but if you can’t disprove it, then I must be right” and expect to be taken seriously,

Couple all of that with your cynical and failed attempt to divert attention away from your deficiencies by correcting my grammar and I think we know all we need to know about you. Ignorant is the perfect description of you.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

This country owes Cynthia an apology concerning this war. She is getting the last laugh on that. You are right. Zell chose Majette as the second coming with her Colgate smile now where is she. Zell has abandoned her to do things on her own. She was the “comfort zone Negro of the moment.”

By John lewis

July 19, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Cynthia Mckinney getting 46% of the vote just shows you that… YOU CAN LEAD BLACKS TO THE VOTING BOOTH, BUT YOU CAN’T MAKE THEM THINK!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Bad line Hotlanta. I don’t think there’s anything to “laugh about” in Iraq. People dying is not too funny, regardless of your politics, even for someone like Cynthia McKinney.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

If Black people can’t think by voting for Cynthia, then white folks have Cheerios for brains to keep 2 generations of Bush’s in office, okay. Now how is the dummer race. I AM GOOD.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Interesting Comment John… I thought that very same thing about the Majority when Bush Got elected twice.

Everyone on here so mad at Cynthina but she’s a Democratic house representative in a Republican controlled congress. i’m willing to bet that their are many other political races where the outcome will more directly affect your lives. But i have to keep reminding myself that those participating in this Blog are probably not representative of the majority of the electorate. At any rate, i’m confident that come August 8th, all of you Cynthia haters will be just as mad as I was when i watched an idiot being elected as the leader of the free world — TWICE. Only difference is that fortunatley your disappointment won’t carry as many negative consequences to the country and the world as did mine.

By John Lewis

July 19, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Clever Hotlanta. Better go back to watching the playas and ho’s on BET and leave the intelligent discussions to the rest of us.

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

I don’t run from any title. I am a fiscally conservative, socially progressive independent thinker. I’ve voted for both major parties. One of the things I enjoy doing is taking on intellectual twinkies such as yourself who bask in the comfort of an ideology you don’t understand.

A neo-social-conservative (since we seem obsessed with labels today) is just a “southern democrat,” which is no different from a “dixiecrat,” which of course is just a short ideological hop from Old South Segregationist.

The point: you revel in your ignorance, and in the fact that in your mind, the old south will rise again. Forget about it. Grant destroyed Atlanta when it was full of people like you. You can spew all you want, but in case you didn’t notice with Ralph Reed’s defeat and the Republican Revolt on the hill, your day has passed.

Btw, Dubya’s quote was correct. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it false. Welcome back to reality, hoss.

By Hotlanta

July 19, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

I rather watch BET than watch Pamela Anderson melt in the sun with all of that fake plastic. NO wonder there is a water shortage, they are all in her fake breast. I AM BETTER.

By Suburban Parent

July 19, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

John Lewis: You are the perfect example of YOU CAN LEAD AN “IDIOT” TO A COMPUTER, BUT YOU CAN’T MAKE THE “IDIOT” THINK!

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Gee, John lewis, thanks for validating my point that people on here use “social conservatism” as a thin veneer for their racist, sexist, homophobic and zenophobic beliefs. I’m sure Ugotta will be denouncing you shortly….

By kb

July 19, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

By What,

Here you go -and from a legitimate source! These numbers scream in defense of my position - that many on the dole make poor decisions that place them there and/or have become dependent intentionally. But I have no doubt that you and your like will still be unsatisfied. Now - since you are so sure I’m ignorant for taking my position, how about supporting yours for a change!

The Welfare Numbers What the statistics say about who’s on welfare — and how hard it is to get off:

Three-quarters of all unmarried teenage mothers collect welfare within five years of giving birth.

Almost half the persons now on the welfare rolls have received benefits for more than five years.

Half of those on welfare for more than five years have no work experience.

Sixty-three percent of those on welfare for more than five years have not graduated from high school.

An estimated 46 percent of welfare recipients engage in covert work.

About a third of those who leave welfare for work are living in poverty a year after leaving the rolls.

Fifty-eight percent of those who leave the rolls are back on within two years.

Sources: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services; studies by LaDonna Pavetti of the Urban Institute, Kathryn Edin of Rutgers University and David Ellwood and Mary Jo Bane of Harvard University.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Man, rarringt: It must have took you a while to come up with such impressive liberal B.S. as that. So you’re admitting to being LIBERAL huh? And that’s why I get on the blog each day so I can learn from such impressive intellectuals as yourself. You know we dumb “intellectual” twinkies just “bask in the comfort of an ideology we don’t understand” and we need to learn all we can from you intellectual giants. How else would we know how to live each day. You say “we seem obsessed with labels today” but you quickly forget the nice names you called conservatives at 2:54pm today. What was that? Uh, fascists, racists, homophobes, zenophobes, and now a neo-social-conservative and an Old South Segregationist. If only I were as nice as you you peace loving liberals. I just don’t know why I’m a mean-spirited neo-social-conservative BULLY. And by the way Mr. Intellectual, I didn’t vote for Ralph Reed. I hate to disappoint you but I don’t vote for anyone that uses religion to win an election. And I don’t vote for anyone with an ideology that is so twisted and misguided as the one you FALL FOR. So rave on there Bubba. You don’t impress me at all with your idiotic rantings and “brilliance”.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Comrade rarringt: Your 4:58pm post attacking John Lewis just proved MY point. You don’t have an argument, at least one that can win a national election. All you folks want to do is call names…that’s YOUR “brilliant intellectual argument”.

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Hard as it might be to believe, I’m not trying to change your mind. Clearly, you are something of a lost cause, but I agree the founding fathers were brilliant enough to recognize you do have a constitutional right to your ignorance.

Besides, my point is to present an alternative point of view the the lurkers who read the blog but don’t post. I don’t know you, and for that am glad. But seriously, it’s not about you. Really.

I don’t claim to be an intellectual giant, but I do believe that having an intellect beats blissful ignorance anyday.

Go ahead, call me another stupid liberal with too much book learnin’. >:^)

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

…and now I’m a communist. Like I’ve said on previous occasions, some people are all about freedom of speech, until they hear something they don’t like. Then it’s time to attack not the message, but the messenger.

Coward.

By ginkl

July 19, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

People … get off the race card. A black idiot is the same as a white idiot. McKinney is an idiot! She has done NOTHING but embarrass those of you in the 4th District. What has she done for you? What programs has she sponsored? Can she work efficiently and effectively with other members of Congress and her fellow Georgia legislators? Believe me if anyone else-black, brown, yellow or red-slapped a Capital Hill police officer, they would have been arrested ON THE SPOT! Listen to her statement after that incident and then judge if she can effectively represent those of you in the 4th. She is crazy and a vote for her is a waste!

By kb

July 19, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

By What,

Where are you? Surely you can think of something to illegitimize welfare statistics from Harvard University sponsored by the US Dept of Health and Human Services.

I have a feeling I won’t be hearing from you anymore as you quietly back away

Signed,

The perfect ignoramus with no information -

By Overjoyed

July 19, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Had Cathy Cox kept her mouth shut rather than give her definition of marriage a few weeks back, she may have won and so may have Ralph Reed. Cathy abandoned a great deal of her base that day and rather than stay home, we decided to pull a Denise Majette and vote for Cagle. Casey, you owe Cathy a huge thank you.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

rarringt: You’re right, we ALL have the right to say what we think, but it’s something else when you start calling people names or calling them ignorant for not agreeing with you. When you do that I’m just going to try to frustrate you. I hear what you’re saying. I agree with some things and I disagree with others but you’re entitled to your opinion. So I’m sorry if I made you mad, now go down to your neighorhood store and get a 12-pack. I paid for it this afternoon so just get it and tell them your buddy Ugotta’s already paid for it. HAHA

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, and seeing as to how you seem intent on taking my statment out of context, here it is again:

“Racism, sexism, religously intolerant, homophobic, zenophobic, “learn-o-phobic” behavior is antithetical to traditional conservative doctrine (i.e., limited government, fiscal restraint, and strong defense). Yet so many people here tend to shun the latter for the former. That’s not conservatism. That’s fascism, redneck style.”

I didn’t call any “conservatives” any of those names. I specifically said that’s anti-conservative.

Personally, I don’t think you’re a conservative, Ugotta. I just think you’re confused and angry because deep down inside, you know you are disenfranchised in this country, and treated like roadkill once the powers-that-be pull your strings and get you to the polls.

You probably feel like a sap whose been left at the dance, and rightly so. It’s just not right to lash back at others with blind hatred, is all.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Ginkl thanks for informing me, a resident of the 4th district, as to what embarrasses me. I would not have known i was embarrassed if you hadn’t told me. What would us ignorant folks in the 4th district do without all of your guidance. After I became educated and financially well off; i wrongly assumed that I would be allowed to think for myself. Damn, sorry for the mistake. But again thank Dixie for all you!!! Wonder if anyone ever thought that different people could possible have different priorities. Hey Ginkl can you please tell me know what i’m supposed to do not that Mckinney has so embarrassed me? Will you still be there to guide and support me after August 8th? in the event i vote your candidate on the 8th are you going to stay with me in November or go over to Ms Davis? help me please….

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

And wanne be drunk! You left that out good buddy.

By Midory

July 19, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

You have to forgive Ugotta, Rarringt, His sister went out of heat last week and now he’s gotta nuthin’ to do and you can imagine his frustration. It wont get moron-free around here for another 21 days. Seems a shame.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Ginkl thanks for informing me, a resident of the 4th district, as to what embarrasses me. I would not have known i was embarrassed if you hadn’t told me. What would us ignorant folks in the 4th district do without all of your guidance. After I became educated and financially well off; i wrongly assumed that I would be allowed to think for myself. Damn, sorry for the mistake. But again thank Dixie for all of you!!! Wonder if anyone ever thought that different people could possible have different priorities. Hey Ginkl can you please tell me know what i’m supposed to do now that Mckinney has so embarrassed me? Will you still be there to guide and support me after August 8th? in the event i vote your candidate on the 8th are you going to stay with me in November or go over to Ms Davis? help me please….

By Earl

July 19, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Overjoyed, I totally agree. I thought Cathy Cox would have made a great governor. I like to think she only said that because her people insisted “76% of GA voters are against gay marriage and they won’t vote for YOU if you don’t agree.” (I like to think that, but of course, I don’t know.) Sadly, they miscalculated the cross-over factor. I know quite a few Dems who crossed, and yes, Cagle should be thanking them personally.

Nonetheless, regardless of who your Governor is, if your state is still ranks 49th and 50th in important matters (like schools!) after four years, you need a NEW governor! Totally.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

You’re just killing me with your hilarious humor Midory. Where have you been? I’ve missed you. Were you released from that sodomy charge yet?

By Markus

July 19, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

To Dekalb Resident -

Whatever you think of Bush is irrelevant to this forum discussion. You would rather have a freak like Howard Scream Dean or some half-assed arrogant northeastern liberal political hack like John “I voted for the war before I voted against it” Kerry. That’s fine. I accept that.

However, considering the 8 years of the do-nothing Clintoon administration about terrorism and North Korea (with Carter’s blessing of a “treaty”) we are now dealing with what SHOULD have been dealt with in the 1990s. The problem with you socialist appeasement liberals is that you think you can just stick your heads in the sand and all problems will just magically go away with governmental assistance like welfare of course.

That said, I can’t wait for your hero witch, Cindy Jihad McKinney, to start snarling about black people being “dissed” at the polling stations because she is forced into a runoff. Lemmie guess: it was roadblocking white cops with snapping German Shepard police dogs and firemen with firehoses. Idiots.

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Be careful Markus. Some of these folks might start calling you names.

By Midory

July 19, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Do you think you could post even more comments today, Ugotta, I dont think any of us can get enough of you.

By Dekalb Resident

July 19, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Markus:

Your comments clearly show you have no hold on reality and that you are merely repeating the same generic garbage that Bush used to brain wash you. I’ll let history do the comparison between the Clinton and Bush Administrations. Each time i go through the comparison with a Conservative it’s a useless battle no matter how many facts i lay out. And i see you can’t hide your racial bigotry, i feel sorry for you. But maybe you would want to start getting some facts instead of political rhetoric. However I warn you; those facts may be dangerous to your philosophy. Have a great Day!!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

July 19, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Yeah Midory, If I were a liberal I’d probably tick me off too. But I enjoy idiots like you. You’re just too much fun. You’re the only proof that we need that Liberalism IS a brain disorder. Good night sweet thang!

By rarringt

July 19, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

“Do nothing Clintoon.” Cindy “Jihad” McKinney.

Guess that sums up modern day conservativism.

By Shimmer128

July 19, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinney doesn’t need Georgians to support her! Look who she’s got paying money to support her! Notice anything about her supporters? http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_ind/H2GA11016

By What?

July 19, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

kb,

I work for a living and can’t sit here all day awaiting your latest missive. And I’d never shrink back from the likes of you. You melt like the witch in the west when asked for facts and it is fun to watch you squirm.

I read you facts and they are quite a collection. let’s do an analysis, shall we.

It appears what you have done is cite stats that prove the point that a cycle of poverty exists in this country. Once you get there, the deck is stacked against you in terms of getting out. True, there are those that make unwise choices, but is it all a matter of abuse and greed? Hardly.

I found some of your stats quite revealing: About a third of those who leave welfare for work are living in poverty a year after leaving the rolls.

An objective viewer would look at that and think hey, I thought the answer was getting people to work and off the rolls. But once they are off they are still living in poverty. Doesn’t that disprove the sweeping generalization you made that sparked this whole dust-up? And doesn’t it lead directly to your final stat that Fifty-eight percent of those who leave the rolls are back on within two years. And does that prove your point that the poor are there because they are lazy or prove the point that wages are depressed today in spite of the “booming economy”.

I thank you for your facts, although I would have thought that someone who purports to know as much as you would have been able to do a little better in 7 hours than facts that anyone can get with a quick google search. And facts without context are about as useful as band camp stories. Cherry picked facts mean little as you are free to choose the ones that prove your point and leave behind those that do not.

Face it. You are ignorant on this subject. You spouted off a stereotype, got called on it, and it took you seven hours to come up with a justification. You should know your facts BEFORE you open your mouth, not just be able to sound off on what the latest thing the talking heads told you to think. If you had come back sooner with WHY you thought that all the poor were frauds you wouldn’t have looked so bad.

That’s called conviction and is a sign of intelligence. Ignorance wouldn’t know conviction if it bonked it on the head.

By Oleg

July 20, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

It looks like Cynthia McKinney is not the only one in Congress to suspect that the Bush administration deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen. A Republican congressman (Curt Weldon, PA 7th) has publicly praised an anti-Bush video. And not just any anti-Bush video, but the one by BYU Professor Steven E. Jones which accuses the Bush administration of deliberately allowing 9/11 to happen and placing explosives in the three tallest World Trade Center buildings to make sure that they would be totally destroyed on 9/11. Unbelievable? Just have a look here: http://republican.meetup.com/92/boards/view/viewthread?thread=1870074

By kb

July 20, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

By What,

You are so predictable and incredibly closed minded.

My earliest comment in this forum was based on years of work experience in the field. Then someone like you comes along demanding statistics and numbers - and oh, they have to be from an acceptable source (to you) with no bias.

You claim that you can’t devote all day to this exchange because you work for a living. Well I do to. Discounting my data because it wasn’t delivered on your timetable just shows more of your desperation. Entering a comment here is a lot less time consuming than finding data that will satisfy someone like you. But then, predictably it does not. You conveniently grab the points you feel you can (so weakly) dispute. The bottom line is that this disturbing data clearly shows the perpetual dependency, as well as the fact that many (not all) on the dole are there as a function of poor choices they have made in life.

Almost half the persons now on the welfare rolls have received benefits for more than five years.

Fifty-eight percent of those who leave the rolls are back on within two years.

I’m sure, according to a closed minded individual like yourself most of these people were all laid off again. The likelihood is, many of them cannot hold a job because of facts like:

An estimated 46 percent of welfare recipients engage in covert work.

And that just demonstrates the number of individuals known. In real terms, the number is undoubtedly higher.

And these numbers clearly suggest that poor choices are often (not always!!) at play here:

Three-quarters of all unmarried teenage mothers collect welfare within five years of giving birth.

Sixty-three percent of those on welfare for more than five years have not graduated from high school.

By What, find something you can argue about more reasonably because this topic isn’t one of them! You speak from no real experience in the field and you refute information from the US Dept. of Health and Human Services. Or, you pull out some extremely ridiculous comment attempting to invalidate the numbers because they weren’t delivered quickly enough for you. Again, I have a job. You have clearly taken the opposite position but you can provide no numbers of your own - and especially from a source as legitimate as mine. You can only continue to call me ignorant despite my direct experience and supporting facts. It’s totally clear to me who the ignorant one in this exchange is.

By kb

July 20, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

Since the arguing is intense, I’ll again correct myself Well I do to to Well I do too

By Cletus Snow

July 20, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Have faith in the fact that Cynthia will load up the busses with the welfare sucking section 8s and the crackheads from her district for the next round.If mr.Johnson can muster just a few more voters he can send Cynthia Lightningrod packing for good.

By adw

July 20, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

I am sure you will be on one of those buses cletus along with your children and grandchildren.

By Jay

July 20, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Why won’t Coyne throw his votes to Hank? Regardless of “having a problem with both of them”, he should thwart Cynthia’s voting bus loads and support Hank.

By Horace Dukes

July 20, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Jim The reason you don’t understand why the president would “validate an aging organization by his presence” is because you are satisfied with, and contribute to, the chasm between political parties. Granted, the political views of republicans and democrats are quit different. I believe, however, that our president’s willingness to address the NAACP is based on this reality: When he assumed the office of president, he did not become the leader of the republican party but the leader of the citizenry of the Unites States. It is my humble opinion that a leader must lead all people—even those that have different interests.

By Jim Wooten

July 20, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Mr. Dukes, he can be president of all the people and address their concerns without validating any single organization or interest group as essential to it.