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DEL.ICIO.US‘Peace’ is Israel Dead
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
In some cultures, the appearace of weakness — of conceding territory for “peace” — invites aggression. Israel tried. Who could forget the courage and discipline of Israelis ceding control of the Gaza Strip 11 months ago? Even this proud democracy, the USA, older and more confident of its place and power, could not have sacrificed land for peace, in the face of constant provocation, as Israel did. And what did it get from Hamas? Rockets. And from Hezbollah? Kidnappings and rockets.
To my standard, they’ve paid the price. Israel did everything the world could ask. Except die. The fact is that it lives in a Neville Chamberlain world that would trade the Jewish state’s very existence for an illusion of peace, just as the British Prime Minister did in 1938 in surrendering Czechoslovakia to Adolph Hitler. Thank God for George W. Bush that he will not be a party to appeasement.
Until the Arab and Muslim world, and extremists like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Hezbollah puppet-master, recognize Israel’s right to exist, it’s justified in striking at its enemies. Ahmadinejad is sworn to see Israel eradicated — a view shockingly supported by overwhelming numbers of his countrymen in a Reader’s Digest-Zogby International poll. Asked whether Israel is illegitimate and should not exist, 67 percent said yes. Only 9 percent said no.
The timing’s not ideal. The U.S. has its hands full in Iraq and elsewhere. Every effort should be made to keep the conflict from expanding beyond southern Lebanon.
But one day, just as the world, or absent the world, the U.S., has to deal with the threat that North Korea poses, we have to deal with Syria too. And sooner rather than later in the case of Syria. First preference is to change their minds. Second their regimes. Third their form of government. For the moment, though, Hezbollah, Syria, Iran and North Korea are the world’s problems to solve.
The U.S. has three friends whose survival would take us to war. Great Britain. Australia. And Israel. Obviously, any threat to our neighbors on the North American continent would drive us there, too. And certainly we have interests and obligations elsewhere, to Japan, South Korea and Taiwan for example. But there can’t be any lack of clarity here. If this country has an ounce of moral fiber left, it will not abandon Israel to its enemies — or to “peace” on an eradicator’s terms.
Comments
By Mid-South Philosopher
July 17, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Jim, you are dead right on this one, and George Bush, for whatever other flaws he may have (and he certainly has plenty), has the courage to engage these ruffians. However, I just wish we had a “fighter” for a Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld is NOT the man for the job. He is too “corporatist” and not enough “infantry, armor, and artillery!”
With respect to the North Korean stooge, Kim Jong-Il, and the “new” der Führer of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, they are flies that need swatting. Unfortunately, the Clinton years of neglect of our military coupled with Rumsfeld’s “leaner, meaner, mobile, fighting machine” theory has reduced our combat divisions to 12 and 10 of those are exhausted from tours (sometimes more than one) in Iraq and Afghanistan! Consequently, the only “fly swatter” of any real significance we have is “tactical” nuclear weaponry, and that, of course, would probably lead to the use of “strategic” nuclear weapons.
Given the absurdity of Islamist and North Korean fanaticism perhaps their total destruction is the only solution. Likely, we’ll be destroyed as well, if we go down that road. Maybe the South Americans, who might be able to survive a nuclear holocaust, can rebuild a better world.
I am not very optimistic this morning.
By Van
July 17, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
I am glad Israel has stopped tring to reason with the extreme radicals.
Israel, unlike the US has the man power to handle this two front war they are in, with reserves to spare. Every able bodied person is in the reserves.
If Congress would authorize an increase in the size of the US Marine Corps, we might be able to handle something more than just Iraq.
By Lola
July 17, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this
I support Israel 100% and can’t imagine what kind of a sick mind it takes to be on the side of the dirty sand dogs (aka muslims) that want to do away with them. You hit the nail on the head, Jim. The muslims don’t want peace, never have, and won’t stop until Israel no longer exists. We may very well be in the final days of life as we know it, but I don’t see that there’s any choice but to support our friends.
By Mid-South Philosopher
July 17, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
While there is no stronger supporter of Israel than am I, it would be a mistake to lump all Muslims in with the “Islamist fanatics.” There are many, many Muslims who seek the path of submission and peace, but the “Islamists” (not to be confused with “Islamics”) are dedicated to the total destruction of everything (even Muslim) that does not accept their swill.
By Rod
July 17, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
Jim, you mentioned: “The timing’s not ideal. The U.S. has its hands full in Iraq…” Well, if Bush would ever get around to calling back our troops from Iraq so we can stop losing good men in a country we shouldn’t even be in, we could focus more on the other critical issues. How many more American sons must die in Iraq before he calls them back? As it is, there are to many fish to fry to be effective. Priority needs to reign.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
Amen Jim! I’m glad to see people sticking up for Israel - finally. They have had enough. No other country would have taken as much as they have, all in the name of peace, just to be terrorized for so many years. I hope GW will be true to our friends over there, and I hope that the muslim communities will not join the terroristic acts against Israel. It is unfortunate that we only stand by and watch this peaceful little nation defend itself, but they do have the manpower to pull it off. Perhaps they will finally get the recognition they deserve when this is over.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Ahhh, the lust for war and blood - so redneck!
This week, again, reporting in from London, UK, where a year ago this month 3 tube stations and a double-decker bus were bombed by terrorists - I am about 4 blocks from Russell Square as I type this, and last Friday I walked through the square - the year anniversary was 7 July (while I was on the Black Sea). There was a small sign where 30-40 people had dropped bouquets. I had dinner with an American couple that night - they said they were in Russell Square station on the actual anniversary - there was a moment of silence, and Londoners went on with their business.
You’ll note that all the perpetrators in the London bombing have been arrested and that Londoners go about business as usual with a vengeance, Americans still whine and moan and hide under their beds regarding the criminals that took down the WTC and attacked our military at the Pentagon (and by the way, the mastermind still runs scot free almost 5 years later).
Our unholy KKKrusade against terror, like Israel’s, has resulted in the wholesale slaughter of innocents. Like the Nazis who killed 10 villagers for every soldier killed by the French resistance, the Israelis have killed 5 or 6 innocent Lebanese civilians for every Israeli killed.
I saw this in one of the UK papers this weekend - every innocent person killed is a terror time bomb thrown into the future, when the sins of the fathers and mothers are visited on the sons and the daughters.
You bloodthirsty warmongering rednecks will be dealt with, if not on this plane, then on the next.
Think about it - if a murderer lives in your trailer park, the police don’t get to blow the whole neighborhood off the face of the earth looking for him, although I for one wouldn’t think it was that bad of an idea…
By Harold
July 17, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
The USA and Israel need a willing partner to complete an Axis of Evil.
The current Line of Evil is clearly not threatening enough to hold other evildoers at bay.
Harold is sure Germany or Italy would be happy to join on to complete an Axis of Evil, except for Italy and Germany.
By B.S.
July 17, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
Lola,
You sound giddy that the rapture’s here! No it’s not he “End of Days” as you hope.
Jim says “the timing’s isn’t ideal” - you don’t think this is a coincidence do you? Iran and Syria(who back Hezbollah) know full well our hands are tied with Iraq. Plus our seeming ineptitude in Iraq and failure to respond to North Korea emboldens this action. What better time for them to engage Israel than now?
This is a blood fued over holy land that will never go away. Israel has sucked it up long enough, so I’m glad they intend to settle it once and for all. I agree with Mid-south on one point - Rumsfield must go!
What we’ve done with Rumsfield’s Iraq plan is ensure we can’t pullout, thus we have no real options to assist or help secure other areas without the UN. I agree with Van that we need to make our military larger - but guess what, kids today aren’t going to enlist while a large scale war is ongoing. The army is already offering 40,000 dollar enlistment bonus’s and raised the enlistment age to 42. So it’s really a moot issue.
Again, this goes back to idealogy, most of these mid-east countries do not want democracy or the US culture - you can’t make-over a region in your image if they don’t want to change.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Jim, by the way, thank you for being true to your commitment to being un-PC. I have not been able to get online that much recently, but the last few days it seems that one or two redneck hooligans have tried to have me removed from your blog, evidently folks that have no appreciation for our Constitution and First Amendment and the whole notion of free speech.
What is it about rednecks that they are so willing to trash our Constitution, except the Second Amendment?
Would that they all take their guns and get in a circle and shoot to their hatefilled redneck heart’s content - maybe we could give the last one standing a prize, say a trailer in Oklahoma?
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
B.S., interesting article in the NY Times last week - recruiting standards have been lowered such that skinheads are slipping through - Aryan Nations’ graffitti now appearing in Iraq - isn’t that special?
By MJW
July 17, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Give war a chance.
By Van
July 17, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
Mid-South Philosopher,
Like Germany in the mid 30’s, if you do nothing, then you support it.
Here in the US, if someone does not support the war, then they can protest, and they do.
Where are the protests from the kinder, gentler muslims. We see in the media, all the extremists and radicals, where are the moderate voices comdemning the aggresstion against Israel. While, Saudia Arabia and Egypt have come out in opposition to Hezbollah and their pure stupid actions, we have not heard one Islamic religious leader taking one side or the other. I can only assume that they support the attacks on Israel.
By RealReason
July 17, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Screw the Jews. Screw the Arabs. They are fighting over works of fiction (The Bible and the Koran), scraps of worthless land, and stupid pride
We should just let them all kill each other off.
By Van
July 17, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Rednecks - American Al Qaeda,
If you can pass the military tests, even you and your kind can join the service. Remember, don’t ask, don’t tell.
By Eric
July 17, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
“Where are the protests from the kinder, gentler muslims. We see in the media, all the extremists and radicals, where are the moderate voices comdemning the aggresstion against Israel. While, Saudia Arabia and Egypt have come out in opposition to Hezbollah and their pure stupid actions, we have not heard one Islamic religious leader taking one side or the other. I can only assume that they support the attacks on Israel.”
You’ll never hear that because the American media won’t show it… it isn’t news worthy
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
@Redneck,
Okay, I’ll take a chance on telling you why your posts aren’t welcomed here. I for one enjoy a healthy debate with folks that have a different opinion than mine, in hopes that I can open my mind a little more, or understand the other side. I am very conservative, and I don’t always understand the other side, so I like to hear it in a reasonable tone. Your posts are not at all informative (for example, I couldn’t care less where your travels take you), and all you do is spew hate and call names. You claim to be in Europe all the time, yet in your recent post you use the words “ours” and “us”, like you want to be associated with Americans. Yes, we embrace freedom of speech, but your hate-spew is annoying, insulting, and totally irrelavent to the conversations. Instead of offering intelligent debate which might open the mind of someone with a different opinion, you immediately shut down the listener by insulting their heritage, children, education, state of residence and any other value they might have. Try being a little more reasonable and people would probably welcome your posts. Until then I for one wish that your hate-filled posts would be filtered out.
By Jo
July 17, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Jim, I, as a very pro-Israel Jewish lady, thank you deeply for your support of Israel & ditto to those of you who agree! As for RealReason & others of those ilk, I’d LOVE to send YOU to the Middle East, right on the front lines & watch the fun!
By Susan
July 17, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Think how much money this country would save if it would stop funding Israel. They’d be penniless without the US and would not have a leg to stand on. Again I say, let’s find the Zionists an uninhabited island no one else wants, and let them have that as a nation. In the long run, it would be so much cheaper.
My guess is that they would find someone to engage in a hostile manner.
And really, what is there to lose if there is no more Israel?
-No more money out of our pockets -Let the remaining countries sort themselves out, including Iraq -No more loss of American lives in any part of the Middle East
So what, tell me, what on earth does Israel do for the United States? They have no natural resources we want, and particularly no oil, so what’s the big deal? Why should anyone care?
If we could focus our energies on constructive goals here in the US, in the end it would be best.
For example, why not a Manhattan Project-style initiative to build alternative energy vehicles? GM and Ford are only paying lip service to that need and will always be Big Oil’s partner.
Oh wait, wasn’t that one of the reasons we went to Iraq? To secure our oil supply?
And oil prices keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger….
My vote: save ourselves money and American lives and work on being a self-sufficient nation.
Oh, and the G-8 footage of the Shrub stuffing his face and dropping the F-bomb with Blair was priceless. At least Blair was bright enough to turn off the microphone.
By Mid-South Philosopher
July 17, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
I really should not watch cable or commercial television.
What am I bet that, with all the death and destruction going on in the Middle East, the media’s big story for today will be the use of the four-letter word “sh**” by President Bush in a conversation with British PM, Tony Blair.
At least the President is improving his vocabulary!
By getalife
July 17, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
W said he was pathetic and full is s-hit.
I agree.
time for the truth,
My English friend, yesterday I was talking about the World Cup champions, mate.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Barbara, I truly and sincerely have no use for southern redneck culture, and if that is something you think is somehow valuable, oh well.
And my wit cannot possibly be enjoyed by someone with a 50% wit score. Oh well again.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Redneck, then why post here? Why not move on to another blog with folks who suit you a little better? Do you just like stirring up hate? If you don’t like rednecks, find a blog where you don’t think you’ll run into any.
It’s a shame you don’t enjoy the redneck culture though. We have a lot of fun, we like to laugh, even at ourselves, and our charm is lost on those who don’t understand or appreciate us. If our worlds are so different, please move on……. We’d ‘preciate it ;)
By MJW
July 17, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Susan the one thing Israel hasn’t done to the United States is to fly planes into our buildings nor have they beheaded our innocent citizens in the name of some extreme religious cause. I’ll pick being on the side of Isreal and their military any day of the week over the extreme teachings and acts of cowardly murderous atrocities the fanatics of Islam carry out. You’re a woman with an opinion, how long would you last in one of their fanatical contries. You would have the life cycle of a housefly if you spoke out over there. You should be glad you live in a country that affords you such personal freedoms, the kind that your and Redneck enjoy. If you love the oppressed way of life of the Middle East, you are aware that Delta flies there, right? It’s about time Israel laid the hammer down hard on the fanatics and I hope they don’t stop until that region is cleared out once and for all.
By Sara
July 17, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
What is your agenda Redneck, gay or black..or both? It is apparent you are about a single issue; I assume it is gay, but it could just as wll be black. If any attention is given to anything other than your cause, the you think….whats the point? Also, with fares and hotel rates as cheap as they are, no one is impressed that you traveled to Europe, besides, thats so 1990’s. The US is the number one travel destination on the planet. How much attention does a bitter old queen need these days, relax.
By RetiredLTC
July 17, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
This is the world you get when oil is $80 a barrel.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Barbara, I don’t care what you’d appreciate, dearie. I’ll post here because I want to - I enjoy riling up stupid people that think they have all the answers because they watch Fox or listen to Limbaugh, and I pray to God that occasionally I’ll reach one of you violent hatefilled paranoid racist rednecks and that one of you might have the common sense to see the error of your ways.
Sara, you’re just a pathetic racist homophobe. Don’t worry, though, I’m white, and I’m straight - and it won’t be me stealing your husband, or molesting your kids - it’ll be one of your blood kin - that’s what you rednecks do - it’s your sick culture.
Ever wonder why so many southern men are on the “down low”? You two witches might be a clue…
By John
July 17, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Rednecks - American Al Qaeda,
You have at least one supporter here…keep giving them hell…the truth hurts.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
Oh well, we tried Sara. Guess we’ll just have to put up with him for now. Another poster some time back put it right though. If we substituted “black” or “mexican” or “female” or “gay” in his blogs instead of “rednecks”, his posts would be labeled hateful/racial/biased/whatever, and someone would have the decency to block him from this post, but because he uses the word “rednecks” we just have to take it.
Such is life….
By Susan
July 17, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
MJW:
If Israel had not moved in post WWII and taken over another sovereign nation’s land, we would have NO DISPUTE TODAY.
The one thing everyone here misses is that if the Zionists had not taken it upon themselves to forceably remove the Palestinians from their homeland, we would not have to pay the price of experiencing terrorism.
They are the ones who originally started conflicts with Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinians.
Osama Bin Laden’s biggest beef, and the issue that unites all Arabs, Muslims and others, is the way Israel has treated the Palestinians.
So, fundamentally, terrorism is what WE brought on OURSELVES as the price for blindly supporting the Israelis.
There would be no terrorism against the US if we had chosen not to fund and support the Israelis in their misbegotten endeavor.
My question to the Zionists is why stop hitting your collective head against the wall? No one invited them there, to this day they cause nothing but war and unrest, and they cost the US lots of money, and as you say, US lives in the war on terror.
They are the original instigators. If not for them, we’d be reading about how folks in the Middle East fight amongst themselves-I am not naive, I believe they would still do so-but it would have NO effect on our daily lives.
Stop coddling the misbegotten nation of Israel. Let them sink or swim on their own, and you will find we won’t be the target of terrorism.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
With regard to the term redneck, redneck is not a race. It is not a religion. The way I use it, it refers to fearbased, hatefilled homophobic xenophobic anti-intellectual poorly schooled violent people who are actually proud of being that way.
Believe me, there are black rednecks, Muslim rednecks, and Mexican rednecks, etc. - there is trash out there, sure, it’s most obvious in the south, but it is everywhere. It will be the downfall of our nation, and probably our planet.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Susan, I just have to ask: Your posts lead me to believe that you are a Muslim. You are dripping with hate for the Jews. No other group calls them Zionists. You don’t seem like one of those “peaceful” Muslims either. In another post you very clearly stated how you would revel in the death of all of Israel. How do you know so much about Osama Bin Laden’s biggest beef? And why does that matter? Even though OBL might be striking because of our views about Israel, does that make it right? Is it okay to kill over 3000 innocent people just because the government recognizes the right of a culture to exist. That right which is spelled out in the Bible? I really can’t understand your position, but what is most disturbing is your level of hate for Jewish people?
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
The Nation of Israel should have been carved out of the conquered terrorities of the eastern portions of Germany, in between Germany and Poland, since Germany had been beaten soundly, and certainly owed the Jewish people reparations.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 17, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Later, dudes and dudettes. A picnic tonight awaits me, down by the Thames, perhaps a ride on the London Eye, or just a walk around St. James and Westminster Abbey.
Have fun in Alpharetta, or Norcross, or Smyrna, wherever you find your redneck self tonght.
Thank you John, for your support, it is appreciated, but not neccessary, since I am doing the work of the Lord…
By Sara
July 17, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
Rednecks boyfriend John chimmed in, in support of the Bitter Old Queen-Midtowns Next A-Qaeda. Then we have the female skinhead under her veil Barbara, no doubt married to an American Muslim….I bet she is at work while he sits at home and studies his religious teachings? Was that your husband one of the Buckwheat Seven arrested in Miami week before last? That crew coouldn’t find the Sears tower to blow it up with MapQuest. What a Monday. Anyway, keeping pounding them Israel, until there’s nothing left with a pulse in that region, then get Iran and then Syria.
By seeing through the smoke
July 17, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Susan – you are sadly mistaken if you believe for one moment that if we sacrifice Israel on the alter of world peace we would actually get world peace. Before WWII, Palestine was a British colony (not unlike the US or India) and Britain stepped away from the business of empires and ruling far flung colonies after the financial disaster of winning WWII. That land is Israel, it belongs to those who took control of it and made it something. Arab countries are furious that Israel carved its fortune out of the desert and that it is a nation ruled by Jews. As long as Jews remain alive on the planet, Muslims will hate Jews, they will blame them for the problems of the world. Never doubt for a moment there can be no appeasement of the Arab nations to garner peace.
Besides, where would you have the Israelis go? If not their homeland, where? Jews have been persecuted for thousands and thousands of years, in every land, by every nationality, and every religion…. Israel must stand and fight where they are. The United States must stand with them, at whatever cost. (unlike the current conflict in Iraq, where we have no business, abandoning Israel is not an option)
By Jo
July 17, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
“Seeing Through..” & Barbara, kudos to you both for your intelligent, compassionate, sensitive & insightful posts. Clearly, Sara must have caught her husband/boyfriend with another man, that’s why she’s so bitter & as for Susan, what an ignorant (probably toothless, with mile-high hair & unshaven armpits) trailer-trash redneck! Why do we even pay attention to retards like that? You stupid common piece of garbage, such blatant anti-Semitism went out with the Hitler regime!
By Stephen
July 17, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
To Susan: “If Israel had not moved in post WWII and taken over another sovereign nation’s land, we would have NO DISPUTE TODAY.”
Your command of history is deafening! There was no soveriegn nation there in 1946 and all the historical evidence shows, WITHOUT DOUBT, that the Jews were in this land WELL BEFORE ANYONE!
Keep on believing that the followers of the cult of islam are peaceful and will leave you alone sweetheart….it will only hurt until the head is fully severed.
By Big Up
July 17, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Maybe we will all catch a break and Brad Pitt will take a break from his duties as the Self Appointed Savior of New Orleans and fly to the Middle East. Perhaps start an underground fight club in Palestine, turning all Arab attention to who will be the next Arabian Assassin, knocking out all comers until there is no one else to vanquish. Off with the black hoods Jihad, there are no shirts, hats, or weapons in fight club!!!
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
@ closet redneck
I note your imbecilic rantings continue despite your ongoing lunatic attempt to familiarise yourself with Old Albion via Yahoo UK travel sites.
Clearly your tiny little inbred mind is still utterly unaware of the USSR’c complete control the of post war GDR!!
I suggest you immediately drink a pint of either liquid oxygen, or nitrogen — on me of course. It would be a pleasure and a privilege to provide you with such urgently needed sustenance!!
To the hateful Nazilike Susan … or are you some kind of mohammedan fanatic using a false ‘safe’ name?
I can only assume your posts are deliberately designed to elicit verbal abuse regarding your idiotic, complete ignorance of history and your Goebbels like anti-semitic bollocks!!
There was NO “sovereign” nation in the place that became Israel. Much of the land was either owned by absentee arab/mohammedan landlords (Turks and others from the days of the Ottoman Empire etc) or by local jews and arabs who lived in local settlements/villages. A good dela of the land was avtually held ‘in trust’ by the Palestine Mandate authority - i.e. the British!!
Tel Aviv was literally created out of nothing by Jewish returnees in the early 20th cent. If you knew anything of the history you’d know that Jews had been butchered/oppressed and forcibly removed from ‘Israel’ for centuries, by both christians and mohammedans. There were still small, mainly religious, jewish enclaves in the areas where they were allowed to live in palces like Hebron, Safed, Shechem and of course Jerusalem etc.
Tell us about how the arabs created international terrorism, and all the countless outrages gleefully done in the name of the so called palestinian people.
By Brian Curtis
July 17, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Smoke: “Israel must stand and fight where they are. The United States must stand with them, at whatever cost.”
But why, exactly? What makes Israel so all-fired special that we have to support whatever they do, and back whatever they say? Why aren’t we this fired-up to support, say, Ghana? Or Fiji?
The answer, of course, is religion. And religion, as we’re seeing demonstrated in very large and obvious strokes, is a lousy tool for setting your foreign policy.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Brian, I disagree with you. I realize that I don’t speak for everyone who supports Israel, but I very firmly believe that religion is a reason to support them. This country was founded by Christians. That means our founders believe the Bible. The Bible tells us that the Jews were promised that land by God (that is, the God of Abraham and Isaac, not, Allah, the God of Ishmael). The Jews don’t have a problem with us Christians. They will be our friends, they will not attack us, they want to live by the same laws that were given to us Christians. They just want their land and their right to live peacefully.
We should seek the company and friendship of others who have the same peaceful values as us, and we should hope that the world will embrace those values as they are about peace. Sometimes peace comes by force, but that is also written in the Bible.
There are both humanitarian reasons and religious reasons why we should support them. I find it funny that some posters ask “what’s in it for us”? Wheren’t these the same folks who accused us of only being in Iraq because of Oil? They want to criticize us when they think we’re after something, but when they don’t see anything to gain, they want to criticize us for not getting anything out of it? Pick a position and stick to it…..
By seeing through the smoke
July 17, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Since you asked, why we should support Israel:
The US was the first country to recognize Israel, in 1948, consistent with a 1922 Congressional resolution backing the League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Since then, the two countries have developed stable friendship that does not depend on the which way the winds of politics blow in either Washington or Jerusalem. Both countries have long-recognized that their mutual interests of deterring war, promoting stability and eventually achieving peace are only possible if the United States continues to stand firmly behind Israel.
In short, if we want peace, we must stand by our friends in times of conflict. The US has no greater friend in the Middle East than Israel. Regardless of the religions practiced by our friends…
By Be done with it already.
July 17, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Christians, get behind your rhetoric and go to Lebanon.
Holy war indeed.
By Larry
July 17, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
“Redneck” originally meant someone who plows behind a mule and has had his neck baked red by the Sun. Our “redneck” friend has probably never engaged in such honest work. My only gripe with you, Mr. Redneck, is not with your uneducated rantings but with your characterization of Air Force and Navy as “military wannabe’s” in a recent post. In case you did not read my original rejoinder to you, my deceased father was a career Air Force man, retired as a Senior Master Sergeant and was as fine a soldier as ever walked. I will temporarily suspend my usual policy against name-calling, you uninformed pencil-neck geek! And you’re just lucky I can’t get my hands on you! Rant some more and prove to us all just how ignorant you are!
By Stewart
July 17, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Susan,
I suggest you just keep quiet. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. Maybe read a book on the history of that particular region. All you are doing is making yourself look stuipd. Not unlike Redneck.
By ByteMan
July 17, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
We should also remember that we’re supporting one of the very few democracies in the Middle East AND the only really stable one with a long history of peaceful leadership changes based on the will of the people and not the business end of a gun. If we believe in the mission in Iraq (I don’t, but others might), then I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t believe in supporting Israel against all acts of war (and going across the border to kidnap soldiers is pretty much an act of war).
By Stewart
July 17, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Great point Barbara, the hypocrisy on this board is mindboggling.
By Larry
July 17, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Hello and good day, Jim! These people are funnier than usual today - thanks everyone!
By WAR EAGLE
July 17, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Susan you Palestinian terrorist! There was never a palestine-Palestinian is arabic for wanderer. Paleterrorists were kicked out of Jordan and Syria for trying to overthrow the gov’t. Your group was even too radical for Syria. You’ve proven that you cannot govern, nor develop a piece of land. Paleterrorists have used land to launch attacks. Well, this proves that kidnapping and killing are part of the muslim plan. Israel uses US AID to BUY US PRODUCTS. Like-FOOD, Military equipment, etc. What do we get from Arabs? Terrorism. WE get computer and medical technology from Israel and we get to use their bases to fight the arab terrorists. Look at who let the US use bases to fight Iraq the first time-Kuwait and maybe Saudi Arabia. Notice that no other country is helping the palestinians. That’s because there is no palestinain state. Give them a state and then it’s holy jihad. Just say no to a palestinian state. Let the arabs give the palestinians a place to live-like Gilligan’s Island. No one wants to live next to paleterrorists. How about the islands off North Korea? Maybe a place in Iraq? BTW Ms. Terrorist, have you noticed that no other ARAB countries are helping to free Iraq? That’s because muslims cannot conduct themselves properly without a dictator’s help! Under Saddam, these savages would not have dreamed about blowing anything up.
By Jim
July 17, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
I am for anything Islam is against. Go Israel, don’t stop until the last bomb falls. All the ones you kill, saves us a bullet. Support Israel, they are our true friends and allies.
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Closet redneck is now busy with its juvenile psychiatric social worker having a more secure new GPS monitoring device fitted to its ankle. Somehow it only got house arrest last week instead of yet more yoof prison time.
I naturally assume now redneck’s finally ‘met’ the ultra dumb anti-semitic hatemonger Susan it’ll be desperately searching all the Aryan Nation chat rooms to find ‘her’ and propose marriage so that pesky missing green card situation will resolve itself!!
By Karen
July 17, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
@Susan,
What you suggest cannot be because of Ez. Chapter 36. G-d himself gave the Land, which is now Isreal to the Jew’s. It is their land. Not to be divided,shared or separated. Before 1948 the Isreal was a desolate place but since the Jews have returned to their promised land it has been blessed by G-d himself and is now a thriving nation. Yes the US has helped but G-d said that the gentiles would do that. Also it will be very interesting to watch the hatemongers of Isreal simply crumble, come to shame and themselves be wiped out. No war with or against Isreal will prosper.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
TFTT you are extra funny today! Thanks for your post.
By j
July 17, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
redneck you strike me as someone with a very low IQ and not much common sense. I truly feel sorry for you. Israel does not need the help of the US but we should help them as they are fighting our emenies as well. Last I checked Hamas and Hezbollah are on the US list of terrorist organizations. Israel is also our ally. Would you not help your friends in time of need? Isreal has waited patiently and has done all it can to avoid conflict and war but they have finally been pushed to the brink where they have no other choice. I for one stand behind them and I myself would rather fight in and IDF uniform than in a USA uniform. Olmert is a much smarter leader than W.
By j
July 17, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
karen I agree w/you %100 Israel will not be defeated and G-d has promised the land of Israel to the Jewish people.
Just for something to think about When Sharon suffered his stroke he was dividing the land. Coincidence or not?
By GOB
July 17, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
but I very firmly believe that religion is a reason to support them. This country was founded by Christians. That means our founders believe the Bible. The Bible tells us that the Jews were promised that land by God (that is, the God of Abraham and Isaac, not, Allah, the God of Ishmael). The Jews don’t have a problem with us Christians. They will be our friends, they will not attack us, they want to live by the same laws that were given to us Christians.
Barbara - Are you really suggesting that we should use religion to set our foriegn policy??
By Brian Curtis
July 17, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
So, if Israel ‘cannot be defeated’ and ‘has God on their side’, why bother helping them? Their victory is assured, right?
Just trying to get a handle on this whole “set national policy by juggling different interpretations of somebody’s holy book” notion….
By GOB
July 17, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Just for something to think about When Sharon suffered his stroke he was dividing the land. Coincidence or not?
And one time when I was thinking that GWB wasnt a good president, I stubbed my toe..Coincidence or not??
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
GOB, yes I am. I would like to see all of the world have the same value for peace, and I believe that is taught by the Bible. That’s my opinion. If you serve God and believe in peace then your decisions will have a solid base and be compassionate yet at the same time holding folks accountable. That is what the Christian religion teaches. You can’t just boil it down to calling this philosophy “religious zeal”. You need to understand that, if you try to live your life by these values then your decisions and actions should reflect a peace loving, but strong position.
Granted we humans are not perfect and therefore no one can possibly live this way all the time, but it is something to strive for.
By GOB
July 17, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
Barbara - You know the Jews dont believe in the new testament, right, and that the old testament is anything but peaceful??
Although, I guess other countries that have set up religous governments have worked out really well…oh, wait…
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Yes, I know the Jews don’t believe in the new testament. However, Jesus didn’t instruct us to kill people who don’t believe in him. He told us that we will be saved if we accept Him. That’s it. That’s all we have to do. The rest (peaceful living, loving neighbor, obeying God’s commands) is just stuff we should want to do as good Christians.
Granted the old testament is not entirely peaceful, but if you want to come back to the old testament, well, that’s where God says that the land in debate belongs to the Jews.
I admit that early Christians were a bit overzealous and persecuted folks who didn’t believe in their faith, but modern Christians know better. I firmly believe in the Christian lifestyle and beliefs, and I believe that the Jews have a right to their land and to the pursuit of their own religious journey. And I personally hope that each of them will end their journey by accepting Christ, but if they don’t, that’s between them and God. They are not going to terrorize us just becuase we believe in Jesus, unlike the radical muslim groups….
By Karen
July 17, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
To Brian,
I suggest b4 you take the word of any religious person that you find a Bible and start reading it for yourself. That’s what I have done and I am finding out this stuff for myself. To explain how Isreal got outted and re-established to a state you would look in Ezk. It begins to explain how G-d would bring the Jews from across the world and put them back in their homeland with the help of Gentiles (if you are not Jewish then you are consireded a Gentile) It also says in there that Isreal would become a Heavy stone around the necks of the other nations But you know you don’t have to take my word for it you can read it for yourself. Also you may want to look up ancient Middle Eastern Maps to help you understand the nations he’s refering too. Asyria in the bible is now Syria and so on.
By GOB
July 17, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
And I personally hope that each of them will end their journey by accepting Christ, but if they don’t, that’s between them and God.
So essentially, United States foriegn policy should be a tool for witnessing?? I am not trying to be overly antagonistic, just trying to figure out how your idea would work in the real world.
I admit that early Christians were a bit overzealous and persecuted folks who didn’t believe in their faith, but modern Christians know better.
Unless of course you are gay, or think abortion should be kept legal…
By deegee
July 17, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
I am all for Israel’s right to exist and believe that they should be fighting the terrorists that want to annihilate them. I am a little curious about the literal interpretation of the Bible here. If all of this was prophesized thousands of years ago, is there anything that tells us how it turns out? Will G-d take care of this or do we need to send Condaleeza Rice?
By chip
July 17, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
If Israel can hold on just a couple of more years, they can have Mexico. Soon it will be deserted as all of it’s people will live and work in the U.S.
By Barbara
July 17, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
GOB, I appreciate your questions. I don’t have all the answers. I will never be President; don’t aspire to be. The bible does address homosexuality and also addresses murder (killing innocent babies). And yes, the bible defines life as beginning in the womb (actually God says he knew us before we were in the womb). Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Lying is wrong. Cheating on your taxes is wrong. There are lots of things that are wrong. None of us is without sin.
Specific to witnessing, I will never be responsible for our foreign policy, but Christians are supposed to try to bring others to Christ. That should be our mission and how each Christian pursues that mission is up to them. I believe that by living as close to a Christian life as I can, I hope to be an example to non-Christians. I hope I can convince even one person in my life, but if not, God will still love me and accept me into His kingdom.
Deegee, to respond to you, the answer is that God will take care of it in the end. We don’t have to do anything. However, as long as we are here on earth, I believe we should offer assistance. We know that in the end times Jeruselem will be restored. God will take care of it. But all of that is out of our control. How we live our lives is a different story though. Until God takes care of it, do we want to live with strife and watch terrorists kick the Jews around, or would we rather see the reasonable, democratic Jews living peacefully over there? I choose the Jews over the radical terrorists.
By Greg
July 17, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Sara - the Buckwheat seven?(That was a good one), I’m half-way amused, and half-way sure ‘Rednecks - American Al Qaeda’ has you characterized correctly as a half-wit Dittohead(don’t get me wrong, occasionally the far right and left for that matter have good ideas). Look, having fond memories of being raised in a christian,conservative, career, military family that voted democratic, I have great empathies with Israel, but their “Eye for an eye” policy in attacking Lebanon is so short sighted, and I know you and Jim are intelligent enough to know this. Unfortunately, your blood lust gets the best of you. By de-stabilizing a western leaning Lebanon and bombing Beirut, killing scores of civilians, this position plays into the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah. This is exactly what they want Israel to do(Bra Rabbit’s “please don’t throw me in the briar patch” trick should have familiarized you with this trick). The real sad thing is that perhaps - By seeing through the smoke - may be right in that the time for swapping occupied land for peace is several decades too late. To me, Israel has only two choices: one, it can try one last time to exchange land for peace by announcing that it will pull out of ALL occupied territories, and go back to the pre-1967 boundaries within a year(with detailed pullout dates, and building their fence around the pre-1967 boundaries) in exchange for Hamas, Hezbollah,and all other jihadist’s agreeing to announce a cease fire and turning in their weapons to the UN. Or secondly Israel can go biblical and declare war on Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran, and nuke them, killing all boys and men above 2, because these groups will never stop their campaigns against Israel unless they are utterly defeated, and this option has a short shelf life, and must be done before these countries acquire advanced nuclear weapons. I forgot a third option is for Israel to voluntarily disperse their people to Europe,Austraila, and the US, and leave their lands for the PLO, and the surrounding nations to fight among themselves. I’m resigning myself that if Israel does not initiate one of these options, then when the jihadists and the countries that support them, have the appropriate advanced weapons (including multiple nuclear options within the next half-century), they will attempt to wipe Israel off of the map, drawing the whole world into our first full scale nuclear war. This is why we have to frame the debate on migrating away from a economy dependent on Middle Eastern oil reserves into the highest priority Homeland Security issue. Common sense tells us that we need to drill where ever we can find oil in the short term(including Alaska and 50 miles off of our coasts), but only in exchange for transferring all oil/gas subsidies to safe alternative energy research that will give us the capacity that we need(without large supplies of toxic nuclear waste) and as quickly as possible. Otherwise we will not be prepared for what lies ahead as a result of the continuing blood feud in the middle east.
By Susan
July 17, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
It’s a lovely summer afternoon and time for a swim.
I checked in for a moment to read the blog. There’s nothing more hilarious than reading your varied attempts to draw a bead on me. In fact, it makes it all the more amusing, because your descriptions are not, shall we say, spot on.
But it’s too nice a day to waste bashing those who disagree with me. I’m more interested in discussing issues and expressing my opinion than deriding those who disagree with me.
It would be a real kick to meet all of the bloggers in person. That way, we could see the people behind the messages they post. I’d be willing to chip in for a ticket to help R=AA return from London. I know we’d have a blast!
By getalife
July 17, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
If W’s plan for a civil union is implemented, Mexico, Canada and us will be one country. This is why he does not want to secure the border and said he is “fixing” global warming. It is called the NAFTA superhighway.
By Brian Curtis
July 17, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Greg: Interesting points, but please stick in some carriage returns! It’s hard to read your stuff.
By jbmlaw
July 17, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
Greg @ 2:09, we know you are smart enough to know that appeasement does not work, and never has anywhere in the world. Only unconditional victory works. Israel has already proven that appeasement is a loser’s pipe dream, in that its land concessions to date yield nothing but a launching pad for rockets.
No, the alternatives are so hopeless, Israel’s only course is the one it has embraced, to attempt to destroy those who are attempting to destroy it. If they are foolish enough to honor any ceasefire (aka, time for the terrorists to redeploy) they will deserve the slow death they will surely suffer.
Unlike the US, Israel’s leftists are patriotic and unlikely to attempt to undermine the effort, and are more likely to provide true support for the troops and the mission.
By Greg
July 17, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Sorry about the lack of s, Brian.
By Greg
July 17, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Sorry about the lack of carriage returns, Brian.
By Yah-wee
July 17, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this
I’m gonna write me a book ‘bout how a supreme bein’ named D-g promised Atlanter for gays to be livin’ in. Folks’ll be arguing about it for two millenia.
By Larry
July 17, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Hello, Susan! Yes it would be fun to meet some of these people. Send R=AA to me so I can use some of the moves I learned when I worked for Georgia Belle Championship Wrestling - let’s call it a party! C’mon, redneck, where are you?
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
@ Nazi Susan
Clearly you are deeply embarassed by your brainless, historically illiterate Hitleresque rhetoric and are now frantically backpeddling, or you were just perpetrating a pretty sick wind up!! Either way your credibility is as low as Sick Willie Clinton’s in a centre for sexually abused White House staff.
@ Greg
The Israelis took the deliberate bait, knowing that this was the perfect opportunity to seriously abuse the hizbollah scum militarily, with little serious world wide opposition. Just look at how quiet the arab dictators have been, even the corrupt craven UN. The world knows Iran is orchestrating this and the Israelis are being allowed to clear up the world’s mess, provided they dont go too far. Ever since the limp wrists of UNIFIL and the nascent Lebanese Govt failed to deal with hizbollah the IDF knew this day would come. They’ve been quietly planning for this for years. Why do you think that they’ve been able to target so much so quickly? The lads are doing a great job and we should encourage them and thank them. The Syrian thugs will sit quietly and fume, they know how vulnerable their crappy army is when fighting the Israelis.
The jihadist rabble may have some solidity in numbers and terrorist expertise, but not in battlefield training or weaponry. They do not pose a serious threat to Israel, they cant invade, hence the bluster and cowardly hit and run attacks on IDF troops. All they’ve got, beyond the usual light arms are modern day commie made ‘V2’s’ and a few Iranian rockets. Israeli avionics is a world leader. WE should all be happy that the IAF F 16’s and the Merkavas etc are on the prowl again!!
Happy hunting chaps!!
By Interested Observer
July 17, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
In reading a lot of the comments posted here and on other blogs and news sites today, it appears there’s a rapturous, “it’s go time!” fervor around Newt Gingrich’s assessment that we’re in the middle of World War III. Before starting out on any course of action, I think a little humility is in order over the course you’re proposing, Jim.
Here are 11 lessons former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara listed in his book of several years ago about Vietnam, but they apply equally to our involvement in the Middle East today. I highly recommend keeping these in perspective when you think about escalating the reach of war in that region:
11 Lessons from Vietnam
These eleven came from McNamara’s book In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam
We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.
We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.
We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.
We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine…
We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.
We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.
After the action got under way and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening and why we were doing what we did.
We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people’s or country’s best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.
We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.
We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.
Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
@ Israel hating Susan
Clearly you are deeply embarassed by your brainless, historically illiterate Hitleresque rhetoric and are now frantically backpeddling, or you were just perpetrating a pretty sick wind up!!
@ Greg
The Israelis took the deliberate bait, knowing that this was the perfect opportunity to seriously abuse the hizbollah scum militarily, with little serious world wide opposition. Just look at how quiet the arab dictators have been, even the corrupt craven UN. The world knows Iran is orchestrating this and the Israelis are being allowed to clear up the world’s mess, provided they dont go too far. Ever since the limp wrists of UNIFIL and the nascent Lebanese Govt failed to deal with hizbollah the IDF knew this day would come. They’ve been quietly planning for this for years. Why do you think that they’ve been able to target so much so quickly? The lads are doing a great job and we should encourage them and thank them. The Syrian thugs will sit quietly and fume, they know how vulnerable their crappy army is when fighting the Israelis.
The jihadist rabble may have some solidity in numbers and terrorist expertise, but not in battlefield training or weaponry. They do not pose a serious threat to Israel, they cant invade, hence the bluster and cowardly hit and run attacks on IDF troops. All they’ve got, beyond the usual light arms are modern day commie made ‘V2’s’ and a few Iranian rockets. Israeli avionics is a world leader. WE should all be happy that the IAF F 16’s and the Merkavas etc are on the prowl again!!
Happy hunting chaps!!
By Jim Wooten
July 17, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Hey folks, we’re having technical difficulties. Your posts are being recorded. Please don’t post the same item repeatedly. It’ll be fixed shortly, I’m told. Thanks.
By John
July 17, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
Susan, AMEN SISTER FRIEND!
All I have to say is that as a Conservative 17 I have never been so appalled as to see the childish remarks and “comebacks” of my fellow citizens.
Friends, Ignorant People, countrymen, lend me your ears…
Just listen to a new perspective on a draining situation that has caused years of havoc and centuries of bloodshed.
WHY has a State been created for a persecuted people only to do the EXACT same thing to others?
WHY is Israel the NUMBER ONE recipient of foreign aid.
WHY might its Iran, fund Hezbollah? Considering Iran is one of the only non-nuclear capable nations in the region and is gaining support.
Next time you fill up with gas, think about why its so damned expensive.
I know I do.
By Murray
July 17, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
JIM: Well written. You are right on the point, and I am thankful that we have a President that knows the enemy. He understands that the Muslim terrorists is not now nor has it ever been a “…one time thing.” No question that they have been on the march for over 15 years, in Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey, France, etc…We must pick the time, and it is now, otherwise the world will fall to the terrorists!
By Minuteman
July 17, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
Vote for Ralph Reed. He had me at ‘Jericho’.
By Harold
July 17, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
Harold says let loose a bunch of lions and see which way they run and let them eat whomever they shall!
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
Liberals suck!! (a test)
By Harold
July 17, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
Harold says let loose a bunch of lions and see which way they run and let them eat whomever they shall!
By Van
July 17, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Folks,
Are there any bets out there in the blog-o-sphere on how long it will take before the UN messes things up for Israel again?
It took 14 months from when ‘W’ called upon the UN for action against Iraq and we attacked - a real rush to war. It took years for the UN to begin to act on Iran, it has been ages since the fighting in Sudan started - How soon before Israel is forced to accept the terrorist hiding behind the UN logo - again. The UN has guarded the border between Israel and Egypt, the Golan Hights and the Lebanon border, each time the UN has protected the terrorist.
By Jim Wooten
July 17, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
Good new post, with school data, from Newark, N.J. resuming last week’s school funding debate on “Money’s not the answer.” Check it out between posts here.
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Harold …
what if these are homosexual lions who in a previous life chomped down on christians and feel shame and guilt at such a Nazi like act?
What if your glib fatalistic suggestion is informed by severely repressed anger at having been eaten (in a culinary way) in a previous life by a lion?
Time for the truth demands you post the truth about this awkward issue and let us know if you are simply seeking cathartic relief or you have a more sinister intent in mind?
How would you feel if these lions, simply left to the will of allaaaaargh ONLY targeted homosexuals and lesbians and left us normal folks alone? Presumably these very sensible lions would not be nasty liberals but sound conservatives!!
By @@
July 17, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
Margaret Thatcher said it best.
“One cannot appease aggressors if one cares about the lives of innocents.” Margaret Thatcher
Unfortunately innocents will be killed. Israel has exhibited great restraint, made unnecessary sacrifices, and they have had enough. I actually see Israel fighting to destroy a global enemy which threatens us all.
Good for them. America should definitely stand in support of Israel.
By time for the truth
July 17, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this
Baroness Thatcher was/is the finest UK leader since Churchill (PBUH).
The Israelis know exactly what they’re doing. Fox News’ Shep Smith is now camped up in Quiryat Shimona, a place I know well from back in 1973 and more recently. I’ve driven along the Leb/Isr border road a few times, in a Budget Rent a Car, and the wire fence in some places is literally all that separates you from terrorists. Metullah is right on the border, a great place for pics with Lebanon in the background. I used to have a lot of friends in the IDF and I hope that all of them are safe as they finally hand back what’s long overdue!!
By jtaylorlaw
July 17, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this
Rednecks, Get over yourself. You, my friend, sound like quite the redneck. We are so impressed by your use of buzz-type words like: Xenophobic, anti-intellectual, etc. How HR/Politically Correct! Your cause will never be taken seriously because in the end you sound so ignorant.
By John C
July 17, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this
Susan, AMEN SISTER FRIEND!
All I have to say is that as a Conservative 17 I have never been so appalled as to see the childish remarks and “comebacks” of my fellow citizens.
Friends, Ignorant People, countrymen, lend me your ears…
Just listen to a new perspective on a draining situation that has caused years of havoc and centuries of bloodshed.
WHY has a State been created for a persecuted people only to do the EXACT same thing to others?
WHY is Israel the NUMBER ONE recipient of foreign aid.
WHY might its Iran, fund Hezbollah? Considering Iran is one of the only non-nuclear capable nations in the region and is gaining support.
Next time you fill up with gas, think about why its so damned expensive.
I know I do.
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 18, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this
Greetings folks, from Southampton Street - I see I was missed yesterday afternoon, but I had a lovely time in St. James Park with all the birds and the gardens and strolling around Westminster Abbey during the long London twilight last evening. Perhaps the London Eye one night next week. Outside Parliament there are several statues of world statesmen - there was one American - hint - it wasn’t Jeff Davis. Hehehehe.
Anyhow, rednecks, enjoy your City to Busy to Hate or whatever you bloodthirsty warmongering idiots are calling it now.
By Brian Curtis
July 18, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
JBMLaw: “Appeasement never works, and never has… only unconditional victory works.”
Riiiight. That’s why Reagan launched all those missiles at the Soviet Union, because all-out war was the only possible option, and anything else would’ve been “appeasement.”
There are always other options, especially in situations like this, where “fighting terrorism” with an army is about as smart as fixing your computer with a sledgehammer. Wrong tool for the wrong job.
By Wakey
July 18, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this
Hey Wanker boy in the UK
Radical Muslims have long ago declared war on us so pretending that the threat goes away by ignoring it, was proven false with Clinton’s (non)actions.
I am not the least bit concerned that the terrorists can brainwash new members knowing the very same fight produces many more volunteers for our side.
As for innocents that Israel has killed it’s unfortunate but like most bed wetting liberals you find fault with the victim in this matter, ISRAEL!
Perhaps you didnt notice that Hezbollah has blindly fired over 500 rockets into Israel?
Now go brush your gangly teeth & put your head back in the sand because we are done here.
By wayne
July 18, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this
Jim, thanks for your support. Only you, Krauthammer, and a small handful of others are willing to go against the tide of the ‘new’ antisemitism that is so fashionable today.
This is not the old ‘let’s kill the greedy, hooknosed Jew!’ kind of antisemitism, rather it’s perpetuated by knownothings that 1) fall for the terrorist propaganda and can never accept that until the terrorist start to love their children more than they hate Israel, there will be no peace (Golda Meir). 2) can’t accept the fact that terrorists operate within and are celebrated by the civilian population, thus making civilian casualties unavoidable. CNN loves to harp on those Lebanese civilian casualties. 3) Terrorists hate all infidels (including their American supporters) and suffer from extreme jealousy and envy because they are from cultures that can only take a piece of land and turn it into dust and rubble. How dare these Western societies use their brains and hard work to advance past the stone ages! How dare these Western societies allow women to speak, vote, hold office!
By Elizabeth
July 18, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
I don’t believe for one moment that this “Rednecks American Al Quaeda” lives in the England. He can throw out all the London descriptions he wants because dude is sitting in his rented apartment in Atlanta living a poser life. His postings sound like the ramblings of a complete head case.
By alice
July 18, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
Susan et all….
If there was no Israel there would still be Islamic fundamentalism. You’ll note that Osama never attacked Israel, his attacks were always aimed at Western cultures that he deemed unsuitable. Most Isalamic Fundamentalists want to wipe all other religions and non-believers off the planet. Their goal is to conquer the world and enslave (for all intensive purposes) women.
So, we ally with Israel to try and keep the whole region stable. Which has mostly happened, without a strong Israel, I suspect that most moderate middle eastern countries would be led by fundamentalists like the Taliban.
Israel makes mistakes, but the options for the entire world are far worse without them.
By time for the truth
July 18, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
@ INBRED Redneck sickster
You need to immediately visit your vetinary and have him/her put us out of our misery!!
Sure you’re really on holiday in England -and I’m once again effortlessly verbally abusing your genetically retarded dumbarrrse up here from the International Space Station!!
NO WAIT - I’m at the SOUTH POLE weather station - sorry dude, just jesting - I’m really having an audience with the Dalai Lama on Richard Gere’s private jet.
NOPE!! I was lying bubbakins I’m actually your cell block prison guard and YOU’RE BUSTED for abusing your computer privileges AGAIN!!
Happily your compulsive attention seeking is becoming more obsessive and more desperate as you follow the typical path of someone is the early stages of an irreversible, complete mental breakdown!!
Do let us know how we can make this even faster for yy!! huge smirk
Don’t forget to choke on your next tin of Redman chewing tobacco!!
By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda
July 18, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Wakey and time for a shower, you silly stoopid rednecks - come out from under your beds, don’t worry, I’ll guarantee that those big mean ol’ terrorists won’t be bombing your rat-infested doublewides today.
Later folks, off to enjoy London. Dinner out tonight - delightful Indian food - you know, real Indians, not those Cherokees y’all claim .
Ciao!
By Van
July 18, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Susan,
Please inform me of all the victories the diplomats have achived.
Now tell me where WAR, ending in unconditional surrender, has not worked.
By RetiredLTC
July 18, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Diplomacy is the reason that we are all still breathing today, Private Van.
By Van
July 19, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
RetiredLTC,
You mean the diplomatic end to the First World War? 20 years later we had Hitler.
You mean the diplomatic end to the VietNam war? What a disaster.
Which diplomicy do you mean? Not the end of the Revolutionary War for Independence, Britian did not recognize our right to exist until after the War of 1812.
Diplomats are a necessary evil. Give War a Chance.
By Tim
July 19, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
As a social liberal, you will thrilled to know that I am with you on this one. Not only have the recent “concessions” by Israel not worked, we should always remember that Israel invited all the inhabitants to join in their new Country at the inception, but the Palestinians, (who are treated worse in Syrian camps than in Israel)overwhelmingly refused. They vowed to fight to the death. That attitude is both their downfall and their epitaph.
By Tim
July 19, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this
Van, the unconditional surrender of Germany after WWI didn’t work so well.