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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > June > 17 > Entry

Remembering Russert

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 07:20 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{I have heard many people say they will vote for Obama and are excited about him. I have also heard people say they will vote for McCain, but I have never heard anyone say they are excited about him.-Urinal/DNC Vent}}}}

A lot of people in past history were excited about Jim Jones and Adolf Hitler, that all worked out real good, didn’t it?

Aahhh, yes, the difference between adults and the hopelessly childish, those who understand that one person does not make America as great as it is, Americans do.

Does the kult know nothing of the hard work, effort and discipline required to make this country succeed?

If you need proof-

{{{{Newt Gingrich’s movement, “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less,” has nearly a million signatures in three weeks has lit a fire in America. On the Republican campaign trail and during debates in the heartland, candidates are quoting “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less” and separating themselves from their presidential candidate, John McCain.}}}}

We The People are a far more powerful force than any one man is, you know, the way it should be.

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{{{{Sen. Barack DukaKerry said Monday he intends to visit Iraq and Afghanistan before the November election.-Urinal/DNC}}}}

To the goons and hacks at the AJC this is just as good as if he had actually visited Iraq, in liberalism, it is not about results, it’s all about your good intentions.

You can say that you don’t like pollution and then move into a 35,000 square foot energy abomination, with a fleet of SUVs and Jetliners, the libs will just adore you, like al-Gore for instance.

So now we will be getting propaganda about Obambi’s vast knowledge of the situation on the ground in Iraq, even though he has never been there, based on his “desire” to go.

Even though he never will.

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{{{{Al-Sadr followers won’t resist military- Followers of anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr signaled they won’t resist a military crackdown in one of their last strongholds in southern Iraq unless government troops make arrests without warrants or commit other violations.-Urinal/DNC}}}}

In other words, they will live to see another day.

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

{{{{You have to admit this is a diabolically clever win-win strategy. You might even call it a teachable moment: liberals attack Big Oil to get votes while in fact their union pals are quietly raking in hundreds of millions from owning it, getting all the political power that comes along in the bargain. If they ever get the chance to do the Obama-Jimmy Carter windfall profits tax, the oil companies will simply pass the cost on to you and me, making us all contribute even more millions to teacher pensions every time we fill up.}}}}

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{{{{Seven years later, Democrats claim to be especially offended by “waterboarding,” which the CIA says was done to only three of the worst al Qaeda suspects. But both Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Intelligence Chairman Jay Rockefeller knew all about waterboarding at the time, and didn’t object. Democrats have every right to outlaw specific interrogation methods, but they continue to refuse to do so lest they be held accountable after a future terrorist attack. It’s so much easier to denounce “torture” in general.}}}}

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{{{{A sense of incredulity hangs over the way Iraqis see the U.S. political debate taking shape. The governor tells a moving story about their visit to Walter Reed hospital, where they were surprised to find smiles on the faces of GIs who had lost limbs. “The smile is because they feel they have accomplished something for the American people.”}}}}

{{{{But the Iraqis came away with a different impression in Chicago, where they had hoped to meet with Mr. Obama but ended up talking to a staff aide. “We noticed there was a concentration on the negatives,” the governor recalls. “The Democrat kept saying that Americans have committed a lot of mistakes. Yes, that’s true, but why don’t you concentrate on what the Americans have achieved in Iraq?”}}}}

By Phil Lunney

June 17, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Maybe a little sacrilegious but true. I think they both will appreciate the cartoon.

By w00t

June 17, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

well, at 8:04am Andysaq calls Goodwin’s law.

Time to pack it up, you fail.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Gaps In McCain’s Military Record Raise Questions…..The Navy may claim that it already released McCain’s record to the Associated Press on May 7, 2008 in response to the AP’s Freedom of Information Act request. But the McCain file the Navy released contained 19 pages — a two-page overview and 17 pages detailing Awards and Decorations. Each of these 17 pages is stamped with a number. These numbers range from 0069 to 0636. When arranged in ascending order, they precisely track the chronology of McCain’s career. It seems reasonable to ask the Navy whether there are at least 636 pages in McCain’s file, of which 617 weren’t released to the Associated Press……Some of the unreleased pages in McCain’s Navy file may not reflect well upon his qualifications for the presidency. From day one in the Navy, McCain screwed-up again and again, only to be forgiven because his father and grandfather were four-star admirals. McCain’s sense of entitlement to privileged treatment bears an eerie resemblance to George W. Bush’s…..Despite graduating in the bottom 1 percent of his Annapolis class, McCain was offered the most sought-after Navy assignment — to become an aircraft carrier pilot…..The most accomplished midshipmen compete furiously for the few carrier pilot openings. After four abysmal academic years at Annapolis distinguished only by his misdeeds and malfeasance, no one with a record resembling McCain’s would have been offered such a prized career path. The justification for this and subsequent plum assignments should be documented in McCain’s naval file…..Is McCain now getting away with more by hiding his official history and by having his national security adviser inflate McCain’s resume with a bogus promotion to admiral humbly declined? If so, McCain may be attempting to hide why the Navy was in fact slow to promote him upwards despite his suffering as a POW and his distinguished naval heritage….

By Goldie

June 17, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

I wonder what NBC will do about the 10:00am slot on Sunday mornings.

By Kathy

June 17, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

I liked the cartoon initially, but later realized Tim wouldn’t—he was a devout Catholic who considered himself the Lord’s servant, not competitor

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Kathy, Tim was a devout Catholic, but also had a sense of humor.

Did anyone watch “Meet the Press” Sunday?

Good likeness of Russert, Luckovich. Keep up the great work.

By Shawny

June 17, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

good piece regarding the lousy Supreme Court decision about Gitmo detainees. flippin activists.

By CherokeeDave

June 17, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Hey Mike, I wonder? Would you have been as kind to a Brit Hume, Mike Wallace, Ann Coulter or Laura Inghram? Or does your political sense of respect stop at the liberal front door of your satirical artistic expression ?

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

good piece on why the lousy Supreme Court who finally did something right about the Gitmo detainees

I’m an activist and proud!

Justice 5, Brutality 4

By Inherit America

June 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I didn’t get the joke at first, but when I did get it, I had milk coming out of my nose. S’not.

Today’s cartoon: C+

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Cherokee Dave,

Those cretins aren’t journalists, they are tabloid fodder mouthpieces. They don’t deserve to lick Tim’s boots.

Tim Russert rarely let his political preferences show through in his work - he was just as hard on the leftys as the righties.

By Midori

June 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

I saw this last night and just had to post it.

In honor of Paul, RW, @@, Crusty and Andy AND Shawny

Tom Tomorrow has you guys PEGGED!!!

By tiff

June 17, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Mike I too enjoyed watching Mr. Russert over the years. He was brilliant, fair and seem to be a wonderful and adoring father to his son. You are also a hero of mine, I have a great fundness for your cartoons, always truthful and to the point. But do me a big favor and never imply that anyone could be competition for the almighty. Cherokee Dave “GET REAL”. Neither of these clowns will make it within 5,000 feet of the pearly gates. They spend what little tv time they have spewing hate and wickedness, putting everyone down who will not bend to their beliefs and prejudices. They are so far from what Tim Russert was it’s sad and sick you would even try and put them in the same category. They are not journalist they are BS’ers. P.S. anyone have a loaded gas card laying around that they don’t plan on using.

By Kathy

June 17, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Bosch, I watched all the Tim Russert coverage this weekend. I was a huge fan and will miss him. Not sure who could be as fair and professional as Tim. In fact, I’m ordering a reprint of the cartoon for my better half. I just think a more appropriate approach might have been “Hey, your 10:00 is here”.

By getalife

June 17, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

I doubt cheney’s BFF Timmeh or any corporate media will go to heaven after Iraq.

Obama’s work on the levee in his home State failed but w is heading to Iowa to finish off that State.

The Taliban and Pakistan are preparing for war so all the troops will end up in Afghanistan.

Nothing but bad news for our country.

By Steven Daedalus

June 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Cherokee Dave, Ann Coulter, the hottest places in Hell await her and people like her.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

ITN 8:19

Don’t have a lot of time today but that story was beyond pathetic. Reminds me of those infomercials where people are ernest and forceful about their new wonder treatments the medical community won’t acknowledge.

Right off the bat - first paragraph - Klein says the NYTimes is lying. I thought that was sacrilege -

Further down he quotes a retired admiral who says he’d never heard of anyone getting selected for flag rank within four years of promotion to 0-6. The guy may be an admiral but he has an agenda. I knew one who did. Here’s a hint ITN: go to the military websites. Flag/General officer biographies are listed. Browse through them. Check the dates of rank and keep in mind that the selection date may be a year or more before the effective date.

More garbage about class ranking being equated with type aircraft assignments. You notice the author said that, upon graduation from college they get picked for the type of aircraft (he had to put in “carrier” - not too bright - know of many Navy fighter squadrons, not training, that never deploy on carriers?).

He also never, ever referenced the number of people who were long-term POWs who made flag rank. Stockdale is a notable exception. Five and six year holes in a 20-something year career don’t tend to make people competitive for a less than one percent shot.

I could go on but you get the drift. You’ve quoted this guy before. He may have some “distinguished” academic/professional awards, but his conclusions on areas outside his professional expertise are lacking.

ITN 9:24

Back to the namecalling rather than a reasoned refutation?

How about addressing the dissent contention that the Administration and Congress did what four of the majority justices said to do in an earlier case, yet in their decision they completely disregarded that fact?

Sen Graham - he’s one of your darlings when it comes to torture, etc - is talking about a Constitutional amendment to reverse this decision. Still a darling? Or is it only when he agrees with your ideology?

By Paul

June 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Midori 9:42

As usual, you’re hung up on the messenger, not the message.

ITN: from Klein

“the Navy released contained 19 pages — a two-page overview and 17 pages detailing Awards and Decorations. Each of these 17 pages is stamped with a number. These numbers range from 0069 to 0636. When arranged in ascending order, they precisely track the chronology of McCain’s career. It seems reasonable to ask the Navy whether there are at least 636 pages in McCain’s file, of which 617 weren’t released to the Associated Press.”

IF the guy would only think it through nonideologically. This is really quite simple.

He states the Navy released a two-page summary. He states the Navy released 17 pages relating to awards and decorations over his career. They were stamped with numbers that “follow the career.”

Awards tend to track a career. Senior officers get awards junior officers don’t. Some decorations track longevity (the ribbon for years’ service - notice Klein didn’t distinguish between an ‘award’ and a ‘decoration’?). He says it’s reasonable to assume there are 600 pages missing.

ITN/Klein - personnel folders contain a one-page summary of events that led to an award. It’s what’s read when the award is presented. It’s called a citation. There’s another page that’s the award. Let’s go through the complicated math: 600 pages divided by 2 (award/citation) is 300 awards? Or 100 and 200 decorations? And he wore a ribbon or emblem representing each one on his uniform?!!?

But he didn’t say 17 awards. He said pages. Some decorations could have been for longevity. Or marksmanship. Or to show where he’d been.

But just the thought there’d be over 600 pages detailing the awards or decorations… I guess his next expose will be how the Navy kills trees to produce so much paper for self-aggrandizement.

By @@

June 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Wow ml! Your caricature of Russert is amazing. I’m gonna convince myself that you have drawn his eyes downcast in a gesture of humility before his Creator.

Given your propensity to malign The Church in previous cartoons, I initially thought you had him looking diabolical. Eager to take on the almighty. Russert reserved that talent for the politicians who view themselves as almighty.

Eyes downcast. Yup, that’s how I’m gonna see it.

Speaking of eyes….

the democrats’ messiah has spoken:

(((“In Detroit and in my hometown in Chicago, children are growing up, and by the age of 8, by the age of 7, even by the age of 6, you can see the cloud passing over their eyes,” he said. “They’ve lost the hope in the future, in their capacity to determine their own destiny.”)))

Obama, in his appeal to the weak-minded, has diabolically defined HIMSELF as their HOPE.

Now he can see into the souls of children?

r…rrr…rrrrrretch.

By Jim Mull

June 17, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

I found no humor in your cartoon of saint peter and the pearly gates. You can do better.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Well, I gotta admit - the ‘toon threw me.

I found myself wondering “who’s Peter talking to? What other person who does what Russert does is gonna end up there?”

Plus I was thrown by how neat a hippie Peter looks -

By @@

June 17, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

(((I saw this last night and just had to post it.)))

Oooooo…kay Midori, but did you see this one?

I don’t know why I thought you would or could answer ^^^ those questions.

(((Andy and @@ sound like two pre schoolers. My grandchildren offer more intelligent insight.)))

Are your grandchildren busy? Maybe they’d be able to answer in the absence of your intellectual capacity to do so.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer 12:28

So are you saying, in spite of eight years of trying, the Republican Congress STILL couldn’t overspend as fast as the Democratic Congress?

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,

If you didn’t like the 8:19, better get ready to hate this one.

McCain’s military record must be verrrry carefully examined.

If it hurts anybodies feelings, I know where we can get some purple heart bandaids.

McCAIN “WET STARTED” HIS PLANE TO CAUSE A HUGE FLAME TO SHOOT OUT HIS EXHAUST TO SHAKE UP THE PILOT BEIND HIM. The wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire.

OH, AND I PROMISE YOU LINDSEY GRAHAMHAS NEVER BEEN MY DARLING! THAT STATEMENT, PULLED OUT OF GOD KNOWS WHERE, PUTS YOUR CREDIBILITY IN THE SAME BALL PARK AS GRAHAM!

Oh, and ‘cuz its you, Paul :o)

By Soothsayer

June 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 12:31:

You’re talking nonsense. Please see my post @ 9:54. Reagan/Bush, Sr. ran up more deficit during their terms than ALL of the previous presidents ADDED TOGETHER.

By Soothsayer

June 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Paul:

The federal budget increases step-wise each year and is fairly predictable. The real difference is that the tax cuts of Reagan, Bush, Sr., and Bush, Jr. cause TOTAL revenues to decrease resulting in budget deficits. The VOODOO logic behind these tax cuts is that by reducing the tax rate, total revenues will rise. Since this policy was initiated however, the anticipated rise in total revenues has NEVER been enough to prevent deficits.

Bill Clinton-perhaps the most villified President ever-made the hard decision to raise rates and you can easily see the result in my post @ 9:54. Likewise, GWB reduced rates with the predictable result of large deficits.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

ITN

You SURE you’ve never made a positive comment about Sen Graham, who’s been a big critic of the Bush Administration’s torture policy? I didn’t to a trackback as I thought on at least one occasion you’d posted a link which included references to Sen Graham making statements which were opposed to the Bush Administration’s interrogation procedures.

I notice you were completely silent on anything about Klein’s allegations. No surprise, there. Never respond - just off to toss more mud on the wall to see what sticks.

But this last post - methinks you’re getting farther and farther out into lalaland. Personally, I don’t care much one way or the other about McCain’s service record.

I’d just like the reports to be factual, not allegations and innuendo.

So just as the Swiftboaters called into question the Navy’s honesty, integrity and professionalism to attack Sen Kerry in presenting him awards -

so now the new Democratic Swiftboaters too accuse the Navy and its Accident Investigation Boards of lying, malfeasance, derelection, and a host of other criminal acts in order to attack Sen McCain.

This is beyond lalaland -

Does the word “honor” mean ANYTHING to you?

By Paul

June 17, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer

My post was tongue in cheek.

Pres. Clinton had a balanced budget. And ran surpluses. People will argue if he was responsible, but he was President when it occurred so credit, or blame, go to him.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Please don’t go all RWish on us!

Graham making a positive comment and my posting it….well that don’t make him my darling now does it?

If you can make that stretch how much else can you stretch?

How do you stretch honor?

Support the GOP.

PS. Paul vs. Klein?? No Contest!

“Jeffrey Klein is an investigative journalist who co-founded Mother Jones; directed exposes of Newt Gingrich, Big Tobacco and the introduction of offensive weapons into space; co-produced for The News Hour with Jim Lehrer a series on China’s economy that won a Gerald Loeb Award; and taught journalism at Stanford, San Francisco State and Cal. “

By Soothsayer

June 17, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Thanks for the clarification. For everyone on this site: The policiies of Reagan, Bush, Sr. & Bush, Jr. have saddled us with debt that will cost us $406 in INTEREST ALONE this year and every year for the foreseeable future. If you doubt it, please see my post at 9:54. The numbers are irrefutable and undeniable.

It amounts to asking the boss for a pay cut when you are just barely making ends meet.

While tax cuts are wildly popular, there is no free lunch when it comes to balancing the budget.

By Soothsayerc

June 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Sorry all. That was $406 billion.

By Russell

June 17, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Where is cartoon honoring the late Governor Lester Maddox? He probably did more for the advancement of allGeorgians than the other honorees combined!

By Russell

June 17, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Where is cartoon honoring the late Governor Lester Maddox? He probably did more for the advancement of all Georgians than the other honorees combined!

By getalife

June 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

“It was the natural pol’s promiscuous affability that proved Russert’s Achilles’ heel. Watching the cable news networks in the hours after his death, one was struck by just how incestuous and claustrophobic the Washington-based nexus of politics and journalism has become..

In all that gush across four networks in dozens and dozens of voices, hardly a word was spoken concerning Russert’s role in the “Scooter” Libby trial. Like “journalist” Steno Judy Miller, Russert was one of the high-level Washington journalists who came out of the Libby trial looking worse than shabby.

Journalists have an obligation to preserve as complete a record as possible — and to hold those responsible for that record accountable. In the outpouring of grief, affection and fellow-feeling that followed his sudden death, that didn’t happen. Perhaps that’s understandable under the circumstances, or perhaps it’s another insight into the limitations of the sort of “insider” journalism of which Russert was an exemplar.

In fewer words, Russert was bought and paid for by our crooked government. He was Tokyo Timmy, spreading lies for the theives that killed 4100 soldiers and he was getting paid millions of dollars a year for doing it.”

Hellbound.

By @@

June 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

O-:MG!!!!!!!

IN THE NEWS @ 12:32:

You just entered Wayne’s World

A community where everyone wears tin-foil hats. If it isn’t gated, it should be.

And Wayne Madsen writes at all of your favorite haunts!!!! BradBlog, Rawstory, blah blah blah.

You are now certifiably…

A CRACKED NUT!

Paul:

I think ITN is posting from a mental hospital for the politically insane.

By Midori

June 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Paul,

you are the one who has it wrong.

“I” am neither hung up on the messenger, nor the message.

wish I could say the same about you and your ilk.

“I” am hung up on the truth, and ramming it down your throat every chance I get.

By Midori

June 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

exhibit one at 1:30.

If that silly twit isn’t stuck on stupid, no one is.

By Midori

June 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

thank you for that 1:30.

Tokoyo Timmy.

Indeed.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

@@ vs. Wayne Madsen

“Wayne Madsen Senior Fellow, Electronic Privacy Information Center

Mr. Madsen is a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-partisan privacy public advocacy group in Washington, DC. He works with member of Congress and congressional committees on legislation and hearings of common interest.

He is also a freelance investigative journalist, and has written for The Village Voice, The Progressive, CAQ, Counterpunch, and the Intelligence Newsletter. Mr. Madsen is the author of The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (London: Macmillan, 1992), an acclaimed reference book on international data protection law.

Mr. Madsen has some twenty years experience in computer security and data privacy. As a U.S. Naval Officer he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. “

also no contest

I also suspect he’s better looking!

By @@

June 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Midori:

Have you solicited the help of your grandkids for intellectual assistance? The questions were…..

oh nevermind!

Just take me to your cartoon world.

Hopefully you don’t let your grandkids watch the same television programs (cartoons) you do. Too much T.V. makes one’s eyes “cloud over” or so I’ve heard.

But then again, you have complained about not being able to see ml’s toons clearly. It may be too late for you.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

ITN 1:06

“Darling” I suppos3, is in the eye of the beholder. No need to go all literal on me.

I see you posted Klein’s bio. You missed the part where I referenced it too, and said the critical point is not his profession, but his understanding of some of the topics upon which he writes?

So, back to the “who you gonna pick” rejoinder? Sad. Hope still springs you’d at least once choose to attempt to refute the argument.

Soothsayer 1:08

No problem. Not only the Administration, but the Republican Congresses bought off favors from special interests and the general populace. All wanted to be enriched - or just get something - and have someone else pay. Children and grandchildren will be horribly saddled with the results of our irresponsibility.

@@

It’s farleft ideology - where ideology trumps fact and opinion rules. Scary.

Midori 1:55

Well, I did notice your earlier post had nothing to do with refuting arguments - just a cartoon making fun. But if that’s the best you can do, I can accept that.

ITN 2:02

So by that construct, anyone who’s an “expert” is to be believed at all times and not have credibility questioned.

How does that square with what getalife posted at 1:30? You really should think things thru a bit -

Sorry, didn’t want to tell you what to do. That’d make me a farright religious nutcase - or a farleft lib?

Off for errands -

later

One last thought -

Pres Bush was loudly (and rightly) criticized for taking a stand, then pressing on in spite of changing circumstances. This led to slow strategic response in Iraq, not firing certain people (Rumsfeld) among other problems. His ideas of what he first thought and the failure to adequately compensate for new information proved problematic.

Obama: for years spoke of why he opposed the Iraq war. Fair enough. Said he would get right out. But has held that line, no matter what has happened to change either the nature of, or the results of, the war.

So, like Pres Bush, Obama looked at a situation, then gone on for years sticking to his original decision. I suppose one could say he’s a bit different, as I believe he’s gone from “withdraw, out now” to “pullback” to “regional bases” to “within 16 months” to

By Paul

June 17, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

So, like Pres Bush, Obama looked at a situation, then gone on for years sticking to his original decision. I suppose one could say he’s a bit different, as I believe he’s gone from “withdraw, out now” to “pullback” to “regional bases” to “within 16 months” to “withdraw combat forces, leave noncombat, leave others in the area who can go back into combat.” I suppose that’s flexibility.

But the overall similarities are striking. So if we have McBush do we also have O’Bush?

Later -

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Going all literal? EEEEK! What a concept. Use the correct words for the correct message! EEEK!

Sorry, to get under your skin like this, but the “who you gonna believe” question is incredibly important - now more than ever.

Of course you can question their credibility, but understand that of course I can question yours.

And since their qualifications are quite good, and yours are, well yours, it seems much more logical to question your understanding than theirs.

I say that is thinking things through!

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Well, what’d ya know???

Even Paul the Patient One has finally gotten fed up with the likes of ITN. My only question is; What took you so long? To expect an answer with integrity from a perpetual propaganda tool is beyond patience. It is dreaming.

But, Paul, your tenacity is commendable.

As to Luckovich’s cartoon…well…he tried. But..a few years back…the cartoon about the departure of Lewis Grizzard and his pup was a real touch of genius, somethng I seldom see or say about Luckovich. That one puts this one in the “shade”.

By getalife

June 17, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

“General Clarke ….but on the other hand, he’s changed his position on torture. One point he says he was against it and now he’s in favor of it, He’s even come out against the Supreme Court decision that was made yesterday on the prisoners in Guantanamo, so you know, what does John McCain really believe? Who is he? Is he this straight talk express maverick that people thought he was in the late nineties or is he just a guy that wants to be president and he’s say what’s necessary to get the job.”

McTorture, McFlipflop,McBush, etc….

Lets get real, both candidates and both parties suk, so shove your partisan ideologue bs.

Where are the freaking solutions?

There are none, the government is broken stupid.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Tag team conservatism….

duh….to cherokee dave…to paul….to @@…..to dusty

too funny

By Josephine

June 17, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

By @@ June 17, 2008 11:50 AM | the democrats’ messiah has spoken: (((“In Detroit and in my hometown in Chicago, children are growing up, and by the age of 8, by the age of 7, even by the age of 6, you can see the cloud passing over their eyes,” he said. “They’ve lost the hope in the future, in their capacity to determine their own destiny.”)))

Remember the Elvis Pressley hit In The Ghetto? I doubt Obama can see into the souls of children, but I daresay neither can the life begins at conception and ends at birth crowd.

By American First

June 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Loved the cartoon link. The last part about global warming fits Andy to a tee. Everytime its cold somewhere he thinks that disputes Global Warming..

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS 2:49

Yep “too funny” should be your new ID. Anyone who would cut’n’paste 30 to 50 times a day on one blog is a bit “funny”. Is the pay “good”? Are you with one of those companies that post from India?

By Copyleft

June 17, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Paul: Tenacity can be a virtue—but only when you’re right. Obama was right, and still is.

Bush is tenacious even when he’s proven wrong—that’s stubbornnes, a very different thing.

As for the “Democratic savior”—gee, Repugnicans, don’tcha wish YOU had an inspiring candidate to rally around this time?

By @@

June 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS:

You forgot to mention his experience as an anti-semite.

(((THE ISRAELI ART STUDENTS AND MOVERS STORY by Wayne Madsen

The presence in the United States of a number of young Israelis, most of whom had specialized military and intelligence backgrounds, in the months prior to 911 is a subject that has received inadequate attention from the major U.S. media and government investigators. The activities of the Israelis fell into two main areas: the casing of the offices and homes of Federal law enforcement officials, U.S. military bases, and other sensitive sites by Israeli “art students” during 2000 and 2001 and the unusual activities of Israeli “movers” around sensitive areas during and after 911. These incidents occurred in tandem with the suspiscious activities of other former Israeli military and intelligence officials in neighboring countries, including Canada and Mexico, after 911. In addition, a number of Israeli intelligence agents were apprehended abroad for passport violations and other illegal activities.)))

The world expands, the world contracts ITN. Sometimes it’s because of something we, the U.S. does…sometimes it’s due to something another country does. Paranoia sets in and people like you need simple explanation to complex events.

You won’t want to acknowledge this fact, but Al Gore’s “Global Warming” hysteria has set into motion, a far more dangerous chain of events. Food is “essential” to individual lives. Oil isn’t.

ITN! You ARE the WEAKEST LINK.

Opportunists like Madsen love idiots like you.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

@@@@@@@@@

“You forgot to mention his experience as an anti-semite”

You figure that how?

I don’t like gefilte fish or Mogan David…..I guess that makes me an anti-semite too.

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Copyleft 3:23

I guess we look for different qualities in a president.

You want a “movie star” type who can stroll in gracefully, read a speech on a telepromter sweetly, refuse to support the war, and promise to provide EVERYONE with healthcare, food stamps, home loans, and nanny care for every citizen.

You want a Commander-in-Chief who wouldn’t get near the military with a ten foot pole if he thought he would have to fight. Yeah, Obama’s your dreamboat.

Republicans have a man who has already shown us he loves this country and will fight for it, use his long experience to govern, and make honorable and sensible decisions. We don’t want an inexperienced “move star”. We want a heroic man of leadership and we’ve got one.

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

{{{{It is clear Obama’s path to victory is through the teleprompter. Let him give a big speech and he drives it like Tiger Woods hitting a fairway, as he did Sunday with his stunning sermon about the importance of fathers. But let him sit for an interview with a well-prepared reporter who isn’t interested in shilling for him and Obama makes mistake after mistake.}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Here’s a great example of GOP journalism….

“Jeff Gannon blogs at the National Press Club’s website. Poblano at DailyKos notes that disgraced “reporter” Jeff Gannon is blogging at the National Press Club (NPC). Gannon gained notoriety as the former male escort who, for two years, gained a White House press pass using a pseudonym. There are appear to be seven active blogs on the NPC’s site, including Gannon’s. Steve O’Hearn, chairman of the NPC’s new media committee — of which Gannon is also a member — told ThinkProgress that the “current policy” is that any NPC member can have a blog on the organization’s site. Gannon’s most recent post goes after CodePink and its “ties to terrorists and repressive regimes around the world.””

Here @@, be proud! Be very proud!

Can’t link to Gannons male escort web page because his male member is prominantly featured!

Go for it @@!

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

What the hell?

Dusty, Dusty, what are you smoking?

“You want a Commander-in-Chief who wouldn’t get near the military with a ten foot pole if he thought he would have to fight”

Oh, my GOD!!!! You didn’t just write that.

You owe me a new keyboard.

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Can you say “Champagne Unit”

Bottoms up!

By McCain Unable

June 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

McCain is an old fool. He slobbers when he talks. He’s rickety and shakes, and resets his jaw constantly, I mean, Maybe he’s got more vigor than a bowl of vichyssoise, but so does oregano, know what I say 2U this day?

?

By IN THE NEWS

June 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

who’s the tag team puttin’ up next!

no batter! no batter! no batter!

By Ralph

June 17, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Fools: Funny thing - Clinton gave us for 8 years an economy that worked for…EVERYONE.

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Bosch,@ 4:00

What are you drinking? Been riding around in your golf cart in the hot sun all day?

I certainly did say “You want a Commander-in-Chief who wouldn’t get near the military with a ten foot pole if he thought he had to fight.”

Tell me about Obama’s military experience. Tell me about his anti-war activity, his vote in Congress. Tell me about his one trip to Iraq. Tell me about his old buddies who actually tried to undermine America in the Underground? Tell me about his flip-flop statements about “bringing home the troops”.

Now, don’t say something “cute”, your usual escape from facts. Try something factual for a change, not your tete-a-tete with the other Bosch over cocktails.

By Bill

June 17, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

DUSTMITE: Tell us about YOUR military service,. In detail. Duty stations, ranks, dates of service, etc. Accomplishments, Etc.

By American First

June 17, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Just when you think the GOP cant get any tasteless comes this story, Republicanmarket is selling a pin at the Republican Texas convention that says the following:

If Obama is President, Will we still call it the White House.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

At least the bloggers have all commented that it is tasteless…

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I’m drinking water at the moment, but if I have to read more bs like your 4:25, I’ll have to add lots of scotch.

Surely, you are not suggesting that Bush’s military record, or lack there of, is somehow more acceptable than Obama’s?

Do you honestly think Bush would have signed up voluntarily to fight in Vietnam if it hadn’t been for the draft? Um, I think no - let me guess, you think of course, because he is such an American hero.

Please.

Obama’s military record? Well, I think he doesn’t have one because he wasn’t in the military. Is that a requirement for you to determine a good Commander-in-Chief? You know Dick Cheney is a bullet away from being CIC - what about his military record?

OH, what’s that? He ain’t got one either!

I don’t know about Obama’s anti-war activity - but, remember? I’m anti-war too - any anti-war activitiy he has - the better in my book.

“Tell me about his old buddies who actually tried to undermine America in the Underground?”

What the hell does that have to do with anything other than a very cheap attempt at spreading tabloid fodder - you’re a mouthpiece for fodder just like Coulter - aren’t you proud?

“Tell me about his flip-flop statements about “bringing home the troops”

That only supports the fact that he considers the war an organic event.

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Billy Boy @4:31

If I were running for office or thought it was any of your business, I would tell you about my military service. Since neither of the above applies, take a hike and MYOB.

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

AmericanFirst,

And I’ll bet the pins were made in China.

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

{{{{By McCain Unable June 17, 2008 4:04 PM McCain is an old fool. He slobbers when he talks. He’s rickety and shakes, and resets his jaw constantly, I mean, Maybe he’s got more vigor than a bowl of vichyssoise, but so does oregano, know what I say 2U this day?}}}}

He’s younger than any of the pervert liberals on the Supreme Court and the office of president isn’t capable of near as much damage as those old fools can inflict upon us.

Gee, I see to remember you pinkos clamoring with glee at every disgusting pronouncement they have ever made.

Numbnuts.

By getalife

June 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

“Baghdad Car Bomb Kills More Than 50”.

Geez.

By Obambi

June 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Greetings fellow dimwits:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, save for thee typical whitey.

We must quickly flee from Iraq before our friends thee terrorists are completely wiped out.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, us and the terrorists versus the Repugs, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

Plus I will give all of you mofos a $500 a month check, because, uh, yeah because.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

What the F you mean, what’s wrong with me? Who the F are you? Oh, I’m sorry, why have I stopped speaking? The damn screens blank, mofo, the screen has no words on it. You know, the little thingy that I read.

There, that’s better.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

Yeah, right, whatever the F I just said to you morons, I wouldn’t bet on it.

Down with the struggle!

Seig Heil!

By Midori

June 17, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHA

I see Crusty is here, “entertaining” everyone with her intellect — or rather lack of.

We finally got the goods on you and your coven, Crusty —

I’ve always known that dimwits like you are paid to spout your delusions.

And you have the nerve to accuse Bosch of being drunk.

Shame on you, Banshee!!!!

By @@

June 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

(((Go for it @@!)))

ITN:

Madsen’s article implied Israeli complicity in 9/11. That seems rather OUTlandish to me, or OUT THERE if you will.

Why would Israel seek to draw the U.S. into a conflict in the Middle East thereby placing themselves in greater danger than what they already deal with daily? Why would they jeopardize the financial aide their country receives from the U.S..

I’m beginning to see you as News from the AP, (Abigail Parris) infamous perpetuator of mass hysteria in the Salem Witch Trials.

IDIOT!

By Midori

June 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

LOL

Pot, meet kettle @ 5:19.

the child bride is trying to impress us with calling names consisting of three syllables.

Goo, goo, da-da???

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{Time Ragazine- Is the Taliban Making a Comeback, pant, pant, slurp, slurp, yay Taliban!!}}}}

{{{{Argandab, just 10 miles southeast of Kandahar, is famous for its lush vineyards and pomegranate orchards. It is also a key symbol for the insurgency. Soviet troops that took the rest of Afghanistan when they invaded in 1979 were never able to conquer the district. Its shady groves, raisin-drying barns and deep irrigation canals provide excellent cover for fighters. Kandahar residents worry that the militants could use it as a base for an attack on the city itself, in an attempt to regain their former power base. “Argandab is a strategic district, which the Taliban can use to threaten Kandahar,” says former police chief Khan Mohammad. The Taliban have taken every village in the area except for the main town of Argandab, Mohammad says, and there are 40 to 50 Taliban fighters in each village. He worries the prison raid was a precursor to an attack on Argandab itself. “The Taliban have gained a lot of power with those who have been freed from the prison,” he says.}}}}

We shall visit this again, you can believe that, shortly after the most powerful military in the world turns these ragheads into buzzard bait.

But you candy as-sed libs enjoy your short stay with thee hope and promise of a triumphant return of your side of the war on terror.

At least until they are blown the F away.

As though there were some doubt, ha.

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

bosch@4:45

Don’t use me as an excuse for your drinking. It’s your problem.

I certainly do think Bush’s military record is better than Obama’s total lack of military knowledge. No matter how you try to falsify Bush’s service in the National Guard, he served and Obama did not. I think anybody in charge of any action or organization does better with experience.

Cheney has never been elected President and is not running now. He is not connected to Obama’s lack of military service in any way. Cheney was the VP not a General.

I don’t read any trash news or watch daytime TV. Don’t have the time or inclination. I do watch Lehrer News Hour every night.

But….if you don’t know about Obama’s friends of previous Underground activity you have not read anything at all. Is that your excuse for ignorance? Obama has changed his statements several times on the troops overseas. Perhaps YOU should read some of his speeches as he changes to suit the times.

Obama voted AGAINST the Iraq War. Anti=against. Do you want the German word for it. NIEN !!

ORGANIC event? The Iraq War?. That’s a good one. I think you’ve been eating too many liberal organic veggies. If you mean “constitutional”, Bush went through ever legal step required to fight a war he thought necessary to protect America. Congress did too. Would you explain which “organic” you mean? Veggies? Laws? Compounds? Philosophic? (Ask the other Bosch.)

Yes, I know you are a white-flagger. Good thing you live in a free country where such activity is allowed. I have not heard much appreciation from you for this great country of ours. Now, go get some more Scotch.

By Dusty

June 17, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Obambi@4:58

POFO..would you cut it out? I mean plagerizing Abraham Lincoln’s Gettyberg Address is sinking pretty low, even for you. Now, behave, will you? Take a break or something.

Or go ahead and make a fool of yourself. That’s what you are trying to do, isn’t it? I don’t care. I’m leaving. It is dinner time. Sooooo long….

By American First

June 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Yep i bet they are Chinese made.

Dusty,

Bush got into Yale because of his Dad not because of his academics. Obama got into Harvard because of his academics and not because of his father. Bush got into the Champagne group of the Texas National Guard and didnt show up for duty because of Dad. So since there was no war when Obama graduated from college, why would he join the military?

By @@

June 17, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

(((the child bride is trying to impress us with calling names consisting of three syllables.)))

Well Dori girl, I can do better where you’re concerned. Count ‘em….

Midoriisapatheticjokewholackstheintellectualcapacitytorealizehowridiculousshelookswithherchildishgoogoodadaattacks

if your “cloudy” old eyes will let you.

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

{{{{[John] McCain advocates giving every parent a voucher to essentially choose which school they’d like to send their child. Obama, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whose two daughters attend private school<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, said that idea would crush the public school system entirely.}}}}

{{{{“But what I don’t want to do is to see a diminished commitment to the public schools to the point where all we have are the hardest-to-teach kids with the least involved parents with the most disabilities in the public schools,” he said. “That’s going to make things worse, and we’re going to lose the commitment to public schools that I think have been so important to building this country.”}}}}

Do as I say, not as I do, eh?

By Glenn

June 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Presenting, “This Is Your Life, AC-DC/Homo-Hating, Duh, Andy!”

By American First

June 17, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Oh how Dusty forgets history, she says:

” guess we look for different qualities in a president.

You want a “movie star” type who can stroll in gracefully, read a speech on a telepromter sweetly, refuse to support the war, “

We have had that guy allready, his name was Ronald Reagan. You know the first cut and run president. Bombing in Lebanon killing 265 Marines, we packed up and fled. Iran has our citizens hostage for 444 days he sells them arms while suppling Sadaam with WMD’s. Yep we have had that president allready, we are ready for one who is smart and can govern, and his name is BARACK OBAMA.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

ITN 2:41

The only “under my skin” are the slanderous accusations against a man with a career of military and public service. Kerry - McCain - it’s no different. Only difference is which side are launching the attacks.

It is a fundamental misunderstanding of the blogosphere to cite a source, then say anyone who counters the opinion is not of that “league” as they’re posing on a blog.

Backgrounds are unknown - the only known is the sphere in which the argument is made.

But to acknowledge that would cut the legs out from under your appeals to authority.

Copyleft 3:23

Congratulations! I made a (smiling to myself) argument about how, not on an issue but a trait, and attitude, Obama is strikingly similar to Pres Bush. You provided a rational response. And a good one, at that. No namecalling at all.

Then Dusty provided a good response, detailing how she sees things differently.

ITN: hello? hello? Are you listening?

Bosch

What kind of Scotch?

By Ralph

June 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

Midori: I see the usual little boys are again terrified of and by you. This you must by now realize. Fully 80% of American men, surely all of Repub “men,” are terrified of and deeply insecure with the concept of…women. They must concentrate, every day in every way, upon convincing themselves of their own complete lack of masculinity. They know not the meaning of the word. Their tiny scrotal sacks are empty. They comfort themselves with tough-guy talk of sports, politics, and their ultimate idol - NASCAR. Ever shall it be and remain so, Lass.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

American First

I believe Iran held the hostages on Pres Carter’s watch, not Pres Reagan’s.

By American First

June 17, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are correct, but what you are neglecting is the fact that Reagan turned around and sold arms to the same regime that kept them hostage before their release….

By AJC/DNC Management

June 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Another one walks, still no apology from Filthy Mouth Murtha:

{{{{A US military judge has dropped charges against a marine officer accused of failing to investigate the 2005 killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha.}}}}

By Paul

June 17, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

American First

Also true. But national interests change. We think it’s a good idea to have a counter to Saddam, we sell the Ayatollah weapons. Both sides take horrible casualties, spend lots of money, keep their aggressions contained within each other - and the oil supply continues to the West - our interests are served.

Good? Bad? Right? Wrong? It’s national interest. And it served us for a while. On the morrow, when the situation changes, we’ll stop selling to one and sell to another.

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You only wish I cared enough about what you think to drive me to drink.

After reading your manifesto earlier -

Do you not see how hypocritical you are? Not trying to be cute - it’s just a simple fact that you criticize others who you disagree with while completely ignoring the same behavior exhibited by those whom you hold with such regard - in other words - you’re a hypocrit. And you can’t even see it. Sad.

Paul,

Chivas - that’s what I was drinking on my first date with the other Bosch - it’s kind of a sentimental thing.

By Paul

June 17, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC

For from anyone on this forum, for that matter -

By Paul

June 17, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC

Make that “OR” from anyone on this forum -

Bosch

Nice! I like the single malts, myself.

Wasn’t the only way she’d stay on the date with you, was it?

:-)

By American First

June 17, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

At the time Iraq was not our enemy. Do you remember the picture of Rummy shaking Sadaams hand in 83?

By herzliebster

June 19, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Mike, what has come over you that you portray St. Peter with BUTTERFLY wings???? Butterfly wings are for fairies; angels have EAGLES’ wings.

Of course, St. Peter isn’t an angel anyway, he’s a saint, so he shouldn’t have wings at all, but that one’s a losing battle. But geez, BUTTERFLY wings for a Biblical being? What has Western civilization come to?

 

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