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He’s a liar!
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By GMAN
June 2, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning to all! Hope you had a fantasic weekend.
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this
{{{{She also warned of the sentiment voiced by some Hillary supporters at the outset of yesterday’s meeting: “If a female candidate, the first successful one in history, goes into the convention leading in the popular vote and it’s taken away from her, how do you think women are going to feel, heading into the November election?”}}}}
Hey, they chose the political party that thinks people are too stupid to make decisions on their own, so what else did they expect?
Now go find mommy and have her explain to you what I just said, little dhimmis.
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{{{{“I’ve been voting for 40 years,” said Deborah Foster, a gray-haired gym teacher from Long Island, N.Y., after she was ejected. “Those idiot bosses in there have given me two winners in 40 years. And now they’re going to tell us how people are voting and take votes away? The party elite sucks.”}}}}
No comment necessary.
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{{{{“I have great confidence that Hillary Clinton will do what’s right for our party and for our nation and for all those people out there that are hurting - and are going to keep hurting if we let four more years of George Bush in the White House. That’s what we’d get with John McCain,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.}}}}
Check this out, the same people that used to call McCain a “maverick” because he fought against Bush’s policy are now mewling that Bush and McCain are exactly the same.
Oh, O.K.
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It amazes me to get up every morning and read enemy propaganda, written as though it is credible, in an Atlanta, Ga. “news” paper:
{{{{U.S. vision of security faces mainstream Iraqi opposition- Much of the opposition comes from anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, but statements critical of the deal also have been issued by mainstream Sunni and Shiite figures.-Urinal/DNC}}}}
Check it out, for those of you that breathe through your mouths; The enemy wants us to leave Iraq.
This Sadr has been marginalized and defeated except in the left wing surrender monkey media, where he’s the second coming of George Patton.
Do you libs swallow these lies whole or do you chew on them?
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Cult of Deception
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President George W. Bush and seven of his administration’s top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
The Bush Administration’s Top 40 Lies about War and Terrorism
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Lie by Lie: The Mother Jones Iraq War Timeline (8/1/90 - 2/14/08)
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
“BUSH lies” doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s time to confront the darker reality that we are lying to ourselves.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this
The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 339 June 2, 2008 The Truth Hurts Edition
By Copyleft
June 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this
McClellan really does come across as an opportunistic guy, doesn’t he? Now that it’s SAFE to expose the administration’s lies and deceptions, he jumps on the bandwagon. Back when it would’ve made a difference (and cost him his career in a regime where Loyalty matters more than Duty and Honor), he was silent—or rather, he was spouting those carefully-rehearsed lies like a windup doll.
The most ludicrous part of McClellan’s sudden “conversion to the truth” is his complaint that the media weren’t diligent enough in asking the tough questions. Scott, lying to the media was YOUR JOB! That’s what you got PAID to do every day! What if they HAD asked tough questions—you would’ve just fed them more elaborate lies!
Too little, too late, Scott.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Yesterday, MoveOn launched a petition calling on former White House press secretary Scott McClellan to donate the proceeds from his new book to veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. This morning on NBC’s Meet the Press, McClellan promised to give a portion of the profits to these men and women.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
Barack Obama is considering a trip to Iraq this summer. I fear he has been forced into this visit by John McCain, who keeps taunting him on his limited foreign policy experience, saying he has not been to Iraq since 2006 and so does not understand how the “surge” was “victorious.” McCain’s taunts are ridiculous. His foreign policy-making experience is also limited, since he was not in the executive. To the extent he has been involved in others’ foreign policy initiatives, he has been wrong most of the time. He demanded more money in the 1980s for the mujahideen in Afghanistan, some of whom later morphed into al-Qaeda and the Taliban. He coddled Pakistani military dictators such as Gen. Zia ul-Haq and Pervez Musharraf. Gen. Zia promoted the fundamentalist Jama’at-i Islami and the ‘Islamization’ of Pakistani law. Musharraf declined to follow through on former PM Nawaz Sharif’s pledge to send in a SWAT team to get Usama Bin Laden, in fall of 1999. McCain also was tight with Ahmad Chalabi and helped get up the Iraq War in the first place
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
“There is no shame in recognizing your failings or getting help if you need it. The tragedy comes when we fail to take responsibility for our weaknesses and surrender to them,” - George W. Bush, without apparent irony, at Furman University.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
ITN most posts so far
Still staring out that rearview mirror, eh?
Let’s see - one way or another, we’ll extricate ourselves (in our current form) from Iraq - McCain says by 2013, Obama says within 16 months best case, but as little over there is “best case,” he could realistically be on McCain’s timetable.
Last I heard, Pres Bush wasn’t running again. AJC/DNC Management pointed out, yesterday’s Republican Rebel is today’s Bush Clone (altho Goldie has pointed out some current policy parallels).
Kinda seems like you and those represented by your links are like some of of those Southern Diehards - “if Lee had done this and Grant had done that…” Either that, or it’s easier to play the Moldy Oldies than think about current realities.
Not trying to be harsh. But even an historian who did his thesis on the roots of the Great Depression realizes today’s economy is not 1920 -
your 8:21
And to that, I’d add Huffington and all the others who make money by replaying the oldies - that is, if the Liberal Elite will “donate” anything that isn’t mandated by the tax code -
By Midori
June 2, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
not only the most posts, but they also contain quality.
unlike our resident warmongering drunk.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Paul
The sum of your argument….. hide from the past, ignore the truth and cover for liars.
“Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it”
By Paul
June 2, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
ITN 8:26
Do your link’s authors expand upon why funding some groups in Afghanistan nearly thirty years ago, which was a significant factor in the collapse of the Soviet Empire, was a “mistake?”
(saying “but, but, one of those groups now hates us and attacks us” doesn’t cut it. They hated us then. But we had a larger problem we were dealing with, and back then these groups were useful tools. But to say US support with guns and antiaircraft missiles made al Qaeda what they are today really, really, shows a significant partisan misreading).
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Good morning bloggers! I hope you all had a fine weekend.
Paul,
Adama left in a Raptor? Huh? At least he’ll be able to finish that book. I watched BSG twice and I still can’t figure out why he’s doing that. Does he think that she’ll jump back?
McClellan’s book comes out tomorrow, right? I’ll pick up a copy at the library - I’d like to read it, but don’t want to contribute to the man’s purse (althought technically, the library has to buy a copy, but still).
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Midori
I offer quality AND quantity!
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
The United States is operating “floating prisons” to house those arrested in its war on terror, according to human rights lawyers, who claim there has been an attempt to conceal the numbers and whereabouts of detainees.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
ITN 8:57
Not at all. Seems like taking a course in “Latter-20th Century-Emerging 21st Century US Political Policy” and finding that chapters 1-19 are reprints of chapter 20.
Reminds me of the Cold War when each side had enough nukes to completely wipe out the other side - multiple, multiple times. It’s called “overkill.”
Heard it. Got it. Heard it again. Got it again. Heard it again. Got it again. Repeat to infinity.
“Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it”
Santayana didn’t write that in each chapter. In each book. And include it in each lecture.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
McCain Campaign Manager’s Firm Worked for Ukranian Billionaire with Ties to Iran
By Paul
June 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
ITN 9:07
Is that a complaint or an “atta-boy”? Remember, after the furor about closing Gitmo and not sending detainees elsewhere, the Administration asked Congress - okay, which of you would like to volunteer your district or state for a detention facility?
I’m sure you can guess at the number of takers. So this sounds like a not too bad option.
Hi Bosch
I understood they had vectors along the Cylon jump and Adama took off to find Rosalind. This has gotta be more than true love machinations - I hope it was to set up a larger situation where Lee is in charge of the fleet and what that leads to.
I like your library idea - I do it all the time.
ITN 9:10
Progress!
But don’t we want to be careful with all this “association” business? After all, if McCain hires someone, who was hired by someone else who’s questionable (old example, does this mean no attorneys who worked criminal defense should serve anywhere in government? Justice Deptartment’d have a difficult time with that)…
yet Obama doesn’t HIRE, just voluntarily ASSOCIATES with someone whose background or current practices is questionable….
But we’ve already seen where that leads. So why perpetuate it? Only so many churches one can quit -
Out till later -
By Copyleft
June 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
But apparently, some diehard Bushdrones still DON’T get it. For them, simple repetition is the only hope of penetrating their concrete-thick skulls.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
Copyleft 9:27
And I thought I was an optimist! You give new meaning!
:-)
Now I’m leaving this computer -
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Copyleft
BINGO!
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
I guess it was a necessary thing, but those hearings on Saturday were a waste of time.
What postive results came to either campaign? The little bit I watched of it wasn’t actual debate, but emotional grandstanding.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Actually, McCain is following the pattern of not just Bush but every Republican president since Ronald Reagan. Phase One is to enact tax cuts and promise that they’ll cause revenues to rise, or will cause revenues to fall (leading to spending cuts), or somehow both at once, so, either way, there’s no possibility that it will lead to deficits. Phase Two is deficits. Phase Three is to blame the deficits on big-spending congressional fat cats and to issue increasingly strident threats to cut expenditures, without going so far as to identify actual programs to cut.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
It’s been about a month since we last explored John McCain’s many, many policy reversals (a.k.a., flip-flops), but thankfully, the Republican candidate running as a principled, consistent conservative, who refuses to pander or shift with the wind, continues to give us plenty of new material to work with. Over the last month, we’ve learned, for example, that McCain seems to have switched on whether to extend retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies…
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
ITN, Great to see you are still in action! What great articles.
I see people still want to hide from the truth, though. Bush should be impeached! Clinton got a BJ, Bush murdered! I can’t get over that there is no accountability. But that is what happened in Germany in the 1930’s; everybody seemed content and didn’t ask questions. I am so, so glad we will have no more of bush, cheney, feith, rummy, wolfowitz, rove … oh yeah, most of them are gone anyway. Can anybody see the writing on the wall????? They were in it for the power, but sleepless nights have forced many to reveal truth or hide away in oblivion.
I have lived under a dictatorship that could have easily been as bad as any other if it weren’t for a chosen few who stood up for the US Constitution. I hope this great country never suffers so much again.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Thanks Cindy!
By Donovan
June 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Bosch, the Saturday meeting of the Rules Committee was an exercise in the Theatre of the Rubber Stamp. The deal was deeper and darker and longer in the making than last weekend’s display. A deal like that, in politics, comes only out of “leverage” — extortion. Quite a few of those committee members were shaky from having been inducted into da Family of politics only the day before. Prior to that they only thought they knew the score.
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Donovan,
Good observation. I also found it rather odd that they came to a “decision” so quickly. I would have thought they’d take a couple days to think about it - hmmmmm - wonder if that was because they already knew the answer? Well, the obvious answer to that question is “duh.” Couldn’t they have done that on a smaller scale too? I mean who paid for that hotel space? Waste of money and a complete waste of time.
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
It is certainly true that GWB is not running again. Thank God for the US Constitution and small favors!!!
But his abysmal legacy and the unwavering support he received by MOST in his party is a damning indictment to them all.
And they cannot cut and run from that little fact anymore.
The only other Republican beside McCain, of any major stature who has credibility left is Chuck Hagel and he is leaving office shortly.
How else can one explain the almost certain 2nd consecutive massacre coming up for the neo-cons this fall?
By @@
June 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Bush called Scott McClellan a liar ml????
I must have missed that press conference. You know what they say….
a picture is worth a thousand words - or MORE if you’re McClellan.
Is Scott’s on the book’s “jackit”?
I didn’t know George Soros was invested in pharmaceuticals AND Scottie. Learn something NEW everyday.
By W stands for worst
June 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
All McClellans book does is show us what history allready knows about republicans. They talk about being patriotic but when it becomes their time to stand up for the country they defer it until they can cash in.
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
AmVet, Even McCain would be a refreshing change from bush. However, he has me scared right now. I have followed him somewhat in the past and written to him on a few occasions. He used to be a man of principal rather than politics. That has definitely changed and I don’t know which man will occupy the White House.
By Donovan
June 2, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Bosch - I think you’re onto the scent. Ickes did protest too much because his camp made out like bandits. But the Clintons always hold some “leverage” in abeyance, so the ammo used to put the deal together was plenty but not all, the display to the recalcitrant committee members was only as much as was needed to stand their hair on end, and there’s more in reserve. Don’t be surprised, then, if Hillary gets the nomination.
By MG
June 2, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
There appears to be a lot of al Quaeda supporters here.
How many of you remember who started this war? How many of you remember the date it started. And how many air liners were used?
President Bush didn’t start this war.
By Midori
June 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
MG,
So, why are we in Iraq then????
Did Iraq start this war?
On which date did that occur?
How many Iraqis used/piloted thos air liners?
Iraq didn’t start this war.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
PRINCETON, NJ — Large majorities of Democrats and independents, and even half of Republicans, believe the president of the United States should meet with the leaders of countries that are considered enemies of the United States. Overall, 67% of Americans say this kind of diplomacy is a good idea.
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
MG, bush did indeed start the Iraqi war. Nobody here is protesting the actions in Afghanistan. Before the invasion, Al Qaida was powerless in Iraq. None of those who flew the planes into the towers and Pentagon were from Iraq. They were not financed by Iraq. If you check the records most were from Saudi Arabia and the money came from Saudi income. Please, please check the facts before writing such statements.
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
Cindy, your last sentence says it all!
Which McCain would sit in the Oval Office?
He still has one gigantic hurdle to cross as well - his VP choice.
Should he commit political hari kari by nominating someone even remotely connected to this administration, even philosophically, we will know.
Let’s hope even if he is elected, he does not IN ANY WAY buy into the inept and delusional agenda of the neo-con “base”, but like the worst ever President’s dad, turns out to be a closet moderate…
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Cindy, your last sentence says it all!
Which McCain would sit in the Oval Office?
He still has one gigantic hurdle to cross as well - his VP choice.
Should he commit political hari kari by nominating someone even remotely connected to this administration, even philosophically, we will know.
Let’s hope even if he is elected, he does not IN ANY WAY buy into the inept and delusional agenda of the neo-con “base”, but like the worst ever President’s dad, turns out to be a closet moderate…
By Paul
June 2, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Midori 11:09
What was and what is are two different things.
There are myriad reasons why we went into Iraq - some valid, most not. But it’s morphed into something else.
‘The nearest field of jihad today to support our people in Palestine … is the Iraqi field.’ Osama bin Laden urged Palestinians and people of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia to ‘help in support of their mujahideen brothers in Iraq which is the greatest opportunity and the biggest task.’”
As important as how we see a situation is how our opponent sees it. When they are different, it’s worth examining why and what to do about it.
AmVet
Froma Harrop has painted a scenario in which a Rep massacre can occur in Congress, but McCain can win the White House.
Interesting reading.
Link: Bad News for GOP can be Good News for McCain
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Bush Announces Start Of Iraq War March 19, 2003 President George W. Bush addressed the nation on television at 10.15pm Eastern time (2.15pm March 20, AEST). The is the transcript of his remarks……On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein’s ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign……
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, according to a newly published memoir, President Bush wandered alone around the Situation Room in a White House emptied by the previous day’s calamitous events. Spotting Richard A. Clarke, his counterterrorism coordinator, Bush pulled him and a small group of aides into the dark paneled room. “Go back over everything, everything,” Bush said, according to Clarke’s account. “See if Saddam did this.” “But Mr. President, al Qaeda did this,” Clarke replied. “I know, I know, but … see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred.”
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Paul, that scenario would not make me unhappy in the slightest…
By Midori
June 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Yes, Paul - what was and what is are certainly two things.
you keep spreading the b.s. that “everyone thought saddam had wmd”, yet I remember the idiot president pulling the weapons inspectors out so that he could “get his war on”.
why not let the inspectors do their job and VERIFY to “everyone” that there were no WMD?
What is the truth vs what are your misguided talking points.
Have a good day.
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
AmVet, My son and I were just talking about McCain’s VP considerations. First there is Condi, who has expressed desire to be a VP. My husband definitely won’t vote for him if that is his choice. The other current options are all old white males. He needs to look beyond these options for my vote: Condi was in the thick of all the lies and deceptions (was there any truth to the rumor about the affair between her and bush?) and I would like to see a different perspective in the White House than “seeing the world through the eyes and experiences” of the old white male. I think the Dems have done an excellent job showing there are very talented and qualified alternatives.
By Midori
June 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
thank you for that 11:32, ITN.
Just like Saddam’s WMD - EVERYONE knew Chimpolini was determined to go to war with Iraq.
WMD/Truth/the insanity of it all be d*amned.
By Jesus
June 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By Paul
June 2, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Midori 12:07
“you keep spreading the b.s. that “everyone thought saddam had wmd”,
I did not say that in my post. I said we went in for many reasons, some valid, most not. I didn’t specify which was which.
The larger issue is, regardless of why we went there, the situation now is not the same, particularly from al Qaeda’s view. And our actions and statements should reflect how they perceive that.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Could the U.S. ultimately end up privatizing its entire mission in Iraq? That’s what the latest round of contracts the U.S. government plans to let out in the coming months might suggest. As Walter Pincus reports in today’s Washington Post, the new contracts underscore the non-military involvement the U.S. is undertaking as public pressure mounts to reduce troop numbers. One contract could essentially begin to privatize the process of training the Iraqi security forces by hiring “mentors” to do what the U.S. military has struggled unsuccessfully to do for the past five years.
WHAT’S NEXT??
WARS R US?
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
Paul, We should not let al Qaida dictate to us, which is exactly what we are doing by worrying about what they think of us. We need to ACT, not REact.
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Cindy, excellent analysis.
Given her role in this administration, Condi is a huge part of the problem, not anything remotely close to a solution.
Trump, BTW refers to her as a wonderful person but a third rate amateur.
Old white men!
The face of the GOP!
He really needs to make a wise non neo-con VP choice, especially given the legitimate concerns about his age…
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Bo Diddley died - RIP BO!!
Eb and Flo - okay, that’s not too bad.
By Goldie
June 2, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Al Qaeda loves Dubya today — they could not have gotten so big without DUBYA tying America’s hands in that quagmire in Iraq!
By Goldie
June 2, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
AmVet — I do believe that GOP is the acronym for Grumpy Old People.
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Goldie, ever since Nixon and Agnew they sure have attracted a ton of very unattractive people.
And I ain’t talking about their looks!
Seriously, I have never quite understood why they took such pride in having so many mean little pr!cks…
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
{{{{By MG June 2, 2008 11:05 AM There appears to be a lot of al Quaeda supporters here. How many of you remember who started this war? How many of you remember the date it started. And how many air liners were used? President Bush didn’t start this war.}}}}
MG: You’ll have to excuse the surrender monkey liberals on this blog and their infantile replies to your obvious and truthful comment.
Anybody knows that Islam, the “religion” that launched 9/11, is not confined within the borders of Afghanistan but instead can be found all throughout the Middle East and the world.
And as for expanding this war to Iraq, has not al Qaeda suffered a humiliating defeat of epic proportion? Are the Muslim people, who 5 years ago supported al Qaeda, not now sworn enemies of terrorism, protecting their own people from this scourge?
Who, in the right mind, could be against these facts?
Other than some terrorist, of course.
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
AJC/CNN Management, Had bush not cut and run in Afghanistan we would have NO NEED to be in Iraq. In Iraq the US opened the doors for Al Qaida to pour thru. We could have attacted them to and defeated them in Afghanistan with much less cost in lives, health and budget. I can’t believe somebody with so little knowledge of facts is allowed to spread such lies; but then that is the legacy of the bushites.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
In its annual counterterrorism report, the US state department said the number of people killed or injured in terrorist attacks jumped to 67,000 in 2007, up from 59,000 the year before. About 60% of those occurred in Iraq……..The report states that al-Qaida remained the chief terrorist threat to the US and its allies, noting that the group had reorganised in north-west Pakistan since it was driven from Afghanistan after September 11 2001.
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WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida has rebuilt some of its pre-Sept. 11 capabilities from remote hiding places in Pakistan, leading to a major spike in attacks last year in that country and neighboring Afghanistan, the Bush administration said Wednesday.
HUMILIATING DEFEAT??? Hmmmmm…
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
AJC/CNN Management, Had bush not cut and run in Afghanistan we would have NO NEED to be in Iraq. In Iraq the US opened the doors for Al Qaida to pour thru. We could have attacted them to and defeated them in Afghanistan with much less cost in lives, health and budget. I can’t believe somebody with so little knowledge of facts is allowed to spread such lies; but then that is the legacy of the bushites.
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Say what?:
{{{{At a rally a few blocks from the DNC meeting, a New Republic reporter >>>>>witnessed Clinton supporters fawning over Larry Sinclair<<<<<<, a Minnesotan peddling fliers titled, “Obama’s Dirty Little Secrets: Murder, Drugs, Gay Sex.” Sinclair has posted YouTube videos alleging he used cocaine with Obama and performed a sex act on him in 1999. One Hillary supporter advised Sinclair, “You could improve your credibility if you downplayed the gay sex and focused on the drugs.”}}}}
Say what?
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Cindy June 2, 2008 1:50 PM I can’t believe somebody with so little knowledge of facts is allowed to spread such lies; but then that is the legacy of the bushites.}}}}
Yes, Saddam Hussein was such a little angel and he just loved us so.
Geez.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
Larry Sinclair had Alleged Engaging in Sex and Drugs with Barack Obama……Sinclair took three Tests: A Drug Test and Two Polygraphs… He passed the Drug Test, but Showed “Deception” In both Polygraphs… The Possible Motives of Larry Sinclair ……The site, Whitehouse.com, had offered Sinclair the sum of $10,000 to take a polygraph plus another check for $100,000 if he passed. To prove they were not bi-partisan the site also offered the woman at the center of the McCain lobbyist mini-scandal, Vicki Iseman, the same offer.
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
Facts are futile. Evidence is useless. Data is meaningless.
The Bush!tters will never, ever, ever change their ways and attempt to learn from their innumerable mistakes.
They will merely lament the demise of their bumbling heroes and despicable, deadly ideology, MUCH to the relief and enjoyment of the rest of the nation.
01-20-09 The End of an Error
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
[McCain Calls for Iran Divestment as Aides’ Ties Tehran Revealed….At the same Davis was heading up John McCain’s so-called Reform Institute, his firm was representing the Ukrainian oligarch Akmetov and his businesses in Tehran:
Davis Manafort was helping Akhmetov’s conglomerate, System Capital Management Holdings, to develop a “corporate communications strategy” between the beginging of 2005 through the end of summer 2005, the company said. The company’s subsidiary, Metinvest, a steel company, has one of its 11 offices in Tehran. And another subsidiary, Khartsyzsk Pipe Plant, sells large pipes to Iran.](http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/02/mccain-calls-for-iran-divestment-as-aides-ties-tehran-revealed/)
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Paul,
r.e. your 8:45: Some bloggers here post 4-5 opinions/links with a single post while others post a single link at a time. Then again, another measure would be the quality of one’s posts (or the lack thereof)
;-)
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Remember that when a goofball liberal has an idea, something is going to die:
{{{{One favorite energy alternative loved by greenies is windmills. The problem is that these things kill birds by the thousands. One notorious example is a wind farm in Altamont Pass, Calif. In their 27-year lifetime these wind turbines have dealt a grizzly end to upward of 130,000 birds. And these aren’t just plain, everyday birds. For example, between 75 and 116 golden eagles are sliced to death each year. H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, points out a basic conflict: Wind farms have to be places the winds blow steadily, which often also happen to be areas favored by raptors and migratory birds.}}}}
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
McCain Mocks Idea Of Presidential Talks With Enemies, Despite Fact That Majority Of Americans Favor It
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
A McClatchy computer analysis, incomplete due to the difficulty matching data from various campaign finance reports, found that hundreds of people who gave at least $200 to Bush’s 2004 campaign have donated to Obama. Among them are Julie Nixon Eisenhower, the daughter of the late GOP President Richard Nixon and wife of late GOP President Dwight Eisenhower’s grandson; Connie Ballmer, the wife of Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer; Ritchie Scaife, the estranged wife of conservative tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife and boxing promoter Don King.
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Paul,
A few days ago you observed that I had strong opinions about the Israel/Palestine situation. Actually, so do many Israelis
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
{{{{That might sound like Bush administration puffery. But days earlier, two New York University researchers wrote a strikingly similar appraisal in the liberal magazine The New Republic.}}}}
{{{{“According to Pew polls, support for Al Qaeda has been dropping around the Muslim world in recent years,” wrote Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank. “The numbers supporting suicide bombings in Indonesia, Lebanon, and Bangladesh, for instance, have dropped by half or more in the last five years. In Saudi Arabia, only 10 percent now have a favorable view of Al Qaeda, according to a December poll by Terror Free Tomorrow, a Washington-based think tank. Following a wave of suicide attacks in Pakistan in the past year, support for suicide operations amongst Pakistanis has dropped to 9 percent (it was 33 percent five years ago), while favorable views of bin Laden in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, around where he is believed to be hiding, have plummeted to 4 percent from 70 percent since August 2007.”}}}}
Bwa.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
National Center for Policy Analysis
FACTS AND DATA PAID FOR BY EXXON MOBILE!!!
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
A Jewish friend of mine went to Palestine last year - he said what he observed there changed his life. He gave a list of websites for organizations - Jewish and Palestinians - working together, and now I can’t find it! That’s irritating.
Anyway, you are right, most Israelis feel the same way. Like most cases, it’s the fundamentalists who get in the way.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
It’s a given that anytime we post a story on wind power someone is going to comment that “turbines kill birds,” suggesting that wind power may therefore be unacceptable. Compared to what? Hitting birds with automobiles (along with turtles, groundhogs, and deer)? Birds caught by feral cats? Birds colliding with buildings or phone towers? Quite possibly, a higher mortality will be attached to the transmission wires needed to get the wind power to market. Why, then, do many associate bird mortality only with wind turbines? We hope to get to the bottom of this “death by turbine” myth hole, and point to the factors that can actually be managed though public involvement.
By Bosch
June 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
ITN,
There is this bird that wakes me up every morning at 6:00. I’ve begged my cats to kill it.
Maybe I need a windmill at my house.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
“has not al Qaeda suffered a humiliating defeat of epic proportion?”
sounds a lot like
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
support down…… terrorist attacks up…..
By Steven Daedalus
June 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Andi supports a guy who has caused the deaths of thousands of people but opposes windmills because they kill birds, what a lame brain.
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Steven Daedalus June 2, 2008 2:40 PM Andi supports a guy who has caused the deaths of thousands of people but opposes windmills because they kill birds, what a lame brain.}}}}
I don’t support Osama Has Bin Laden, you dimwit.
Geez, don’t you libs pay attention?
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Manning memo proves Bush is guilty of murder
By AmVet
June 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
The only thing that surprises me these days is how in the hell out can 27% of polled Americans approve of the job that this president is doing???
How is it even possible that it is not in the single digits?
Granted the faithful here in the Moron Belt raise that number artificially, but still.
This is merely another log on the neo-con funeral pyre:
“The president said he was going to restore honor and integrity. He said we were going to set the highest of standards. We didn’t live up to that.”
No shiite, Scotty.
Time to beam you up…
By Steven Daedalus
June 2, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
I see some idiot judge has returned the children in Texas to their Republican parents, sorry I mean polygimists parents.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
Rockefeller: Hayden’s ‘Upbeat Assessment’ On Al Qaeda ‘Not Consistent’ With Intel Reports To Capitol Hill….
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Texas Supreme Court rules state overreached in polygamy case
FACTOID; All 9 members of Texas Supreme Court are Republicans….. so was the original Judge - Barbara Walther
By Cindy
June 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
So, AJC/CNN, why didn’t we invade North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Venezuela, China, Russia, Pakistan, Baharain, Nigeria, or a host of other countries who hate us or have evil leaders? Why Iraq????
Geez, after 9/11 many countries were sympathetic, but bush blew that to he!!.
Because the bush is soooo stupid!
AmVet, This ignorance would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. Maybe in a 3rd world country, but not the US. I suppose this is a very strong argument why the US should invest more in education.
By Morningstar
June 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
By Paul June 2, 2008 8:45 AM Last I heard, Pres Bush wasn’t running again.
Ya got that rite Paul. I know that “makes your day” just as Jimmy Carter hasn’t been running again for 30 plus years. Many still refer to him as if he was pursuing a new career, instead of trying to promote for the common good.
By IN THE NEWS June 2, 2008 8:57 AM Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it”
Never gonna happen ITN (learning from the past). Unfortunately, we’re probably headed for IRAN. Idiots will jump on this statement and state “Anti-American, Unpatriotic etc.” Nothing could be further from the truth. I am extremely in favor of a strong defense!! I’m simply not in favor of promoting war effort unless our country is attacked (please, no 911 BS). Regarding learning from the past, consider those who have had their jobs whacked at some of these ‘big’ companies. They worked their little bottoms off and became R’s!!! Now their little darlins will pay the price! They are even pondering their children’s standard of living, but simply can’t ‘give it up.’ Too much prejudice, racism etc. Say a prayer y’all!
By Cindy June 2, 2008 10:56 AM AmVet, Even McCain would be a refreshing change from bush. However, he has me scared right now.
Cindy, In the past, I would have voted for the OLD MC’CAIN in one minute. He’s another one who has sold his soul to the devil to get elected president. We’ve seen others who have followed similar routes!!! We have more than one of those gutless little creatures in some states.
By Paul June 2, 2008 11:25 AM There are myriad reasons why we went into Iraq - some valid, most not. But it’s morphed into something else.
Could it be OIL?
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Cindy June 2, 2008 3:16 PM So, AJC/CNN, why didn’t we invade North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Venezuela, China, Russia, Pakistan, Baharain, Nigeria, or a host of other countries who hate us or have evil leaders? Why Iraq????}}}}
We were limited to two Middle Eastern countries at a time due to the low threshold of liberal dementia and hysteria.
Are you trying to tell us it is now O.K. to get on with the rest of them?
Works for me.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
{{{{{Manning memo proves Bush is guilty of murder}}}}}
Generally when a headline claims that murder has been proved you won’t find something like the following in the story.
{{{{{It’s one thing for a president to mislead his own people about a threat to the nation. But if Bugliosi and this NYT story are to be believed,…}}}}}
So much for your credibility, little newsie namejacker.
By Steven Daedalus
June 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Thanks to the Repuds there will be a lot of daddies in Texas making out with their daughters tonight.
By GMAN
June 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
O’ gutless wonders who promote war and don’t signup. The Retardican Party is filled to the brim with these chickenhawks like AJC/DNC Management. Hopefully, November 08 will be the end of an error!
By Morningstar
June 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
In the event some ‘little’ person tries to indicate that I claim 911 is no big deal, GET OVER IT. 911 was a BIG DEAL. I’m stating that we went into Iraq for the wrong reasons. Again, Sadaam was BAD, but we we’re talking 911 rite????? Bye now! Some of us work ‘roun the clock!’
By White Man Speaks
June 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
The Cartoon today has triple meaning. Lucko is saying that Bush is admitting that he made Scott lie when he was the press secretary, and that now, his book is the truth. It’s one of those plays on the verbal puzzle, “Everything I tell you is a lie. I am telling you the truth.”
Wooten’s racial column got an explosive commentary reaction from many many posters. Race in America. We are going to have to actually look and talk to the Black American Citizen now, I guess, because with Obama as our president, we can hardly avoid them anymore. I dont know what to say. Sorry about the last Seven Score and four years? Sorry about the last 252 years? SOrry about the last 450 years?
Or maybe we should thank them for being the patsy after the civil war when the south’s phoenix spent itself on ridiculously cruel segregation laws, and thus had nothing left for Shiloh Part Deux. Or thank them for taking it so graciously, (aw shucks, massah_, and not starting their own damned rebellion against us.
How can we get blacks to stop hating their blackness? How can we stop hating it? Is Human Nature unteachable? Is Human Nature unfixable? Is Human Nature set in stone, so that we hate first and compromise later?
By Paul
June 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
ITN 3:05
“The positions attributed to you are not consistent with assessments that have been provided to the Senate Intelligence Committee over the past year”
A lot can happen in a year, ITN. Remember what Pres Clinton was saying about Iraq and WMDs and what you say Pres Bush should have known a year later?
Do you have a link to the complete interview? It’s interesting. So’s this parallel view from the Brits:
Link: Afgan Insurgents on Brink of Defeat
AmVet
Rule of Thumb: 20-25% of people will believe anything -
N-GA
Could you repost the link again, please? Not from just you and Bosch, I’ve heard much of “average” Israeli/Palestinian frustration and working together. BTW - you may want to try the Woodland Hills Wine Company for an excellent selection. I didn’t see the Quintarelli Guiseppi Bepi, but as my brother said, you don’t have to buy an Amarone for an excellent wine from him.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Always fun with RW…..
I post news and opinion features under one ID….
He rants as ANDY/DUH/AJC/ZELL/RB/ETC continually LIES about it and questions my credibility!
R.W. McMultiname, you remain a joke!
By Paul
June 2, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
ITN 3:05
“The positions attributed to you are not consistent with assessments that have been provided to the Senate Intelligence Committee over the past year”
A lot can happen in a year, ITN. Remember what Pres Clinton was saying about Iraq and WMDs and what you say Pres Bush should have known a year later?
Do you have a link to the complete interview? It’s interesting. So’s this parallel view from the Brits:
Link: Afgan Insurgents on Brink of Defeat
AmVet
Rule of Thumb: 20-25% of people will believe anything -
N-GA
Could you repost the link again, please? Not from just you and Bosch, I’ve heard much of “average” Israeli/Palestinian frustration and working together. BTW - you may want to try the Woodland Hills Wine Company for an excellent selection. I didn’t see the Quintarelli Guiseppi Bepi, but as my brother said, you don’t have to buy an Amarone for an excellent wine from him.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
HOW MANY OF RW’s CHARACTERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB?
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
little newsie namejacker,
I didn’t mean to set you off on a major league crying jag, just pointing out that IF THIS IS TO BE BELIEVED doesn’t belong in a story that begins by proclaiming something PROVED. I guess it’s kind of like the news analysis equivalent of staring at a shiny object since you loons never read past the headline.
As always the AJC has my express permission to confirm or deny your paranoid delusional obsessions.
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Paul,
This site vents its spleen on Jews who are considered traitors of Israel. Very extreme. Just pick a name and note what the site authors have to say. Many are people you would recognize, but most are simply patriots who see the injustice of the Occupation. The address string contains a mild expletive, but since it is masked, the AJC censors apparently allow it through.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Morningstar
I can’t buy the “invade” for oil theory. Been over this before. Supplies were plentiful, price was right. As had been true for decades, regardless of price, the suppliers were willing to sell to anybody, regardless of ideology.
Now, “ensuring the stability of the region” is another thing entirely - because instability in the ME will adversely affect the world economy, not just the US economy. Some will argue the US Iraqi intervention had an effect. That point can be made. As can the scenario that absent US Iraqi involvement, a resurgent Iran would still have occurred and sought hegemony.
If we wanted a takeover a few years back, Venezuela would have been a much better target.
And just so you don’t misattribute some personal views to that - I’ve said in the past, I’d be real happy if we had the same kind of economic, military and political interaction with that part of the world as we do with Botswana.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
RW Talking about a major league jag….. Off the deep end aren’t ya’!
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
You’ll have to post that link without the part past .org/ and tell them what story to look for.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
N-GA
I still get a 404 Error Not Found.
Could you just omit the http and the www and then give the rest of the url before the dot com?
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
BY THE BY
Anybody know why McCain spent a couple of hours at the Mayo Clinic last week?
CNN had the tidbit, but no real info?
By White Man Speaks
June 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
The Cartoon today has triple meaning. Lucko is saying that Bush is admitting that he made Scott lie when he was the press secretary, and that now, his book is the truth. It’s one of those plays on the verbal puzzle, “Everything I tell you is a lie. I am telling you the truth.”
Wooten’s racial column got an explosive commentary reaction from many many posters. Race in America. We are going to have to actually look and talk to the Black American Citizen now, I guess, because with Obama as our president, we can hardly avoid them anymore. I dont know what to say. Sorry about the last Seven Score and four years? Sorry about the last 252 years? SOrry about the last 450 years?
Or maybe we should thank them for being the patsy after the civil war when the south’s phoenix spent itself on ridiculously cruel segregation laws, and thus had nothing left for Shiloh Part Deux. Or thank them for taking it so graciously, (aw shucks, massah_, and not starting their own damned rebellion against us.
How can we get blacks to stop hating their blackness? How can we stop hating it? Is Human Nature unteachable? Is Human Nature unfixable? Is Human Nature set in stone, so that we hate first and compromise later?
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
ITN
McCain was at the Mayo? He’s supposed to be on a low-fat diet.
badda bing badda bum…
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
http://www.masada2000.org/sh!t-list.html
Of course you will need to replace the “!” with the obvious character. The hyphen is valid. Also, turn down/off your speakers.
I went to the Woodland Hills Wine Co. & it looks interesting.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Go here and then scroll down to the fourth item under lesson 21.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Paul
As long as he doesn’t pull ot the Miracle Whip!
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
ITN
Now that I’ve got that out of my system, it was likely in conjunction with the release of his medical records.
Here’s the [source] document from the Mayo (it’s a pdf - Firefox might have trouble with it but Explorer’s okay):
Link: McCain Statement of Health Status
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
ITN 4:27
Now, THAT would be a ‘miracle’!
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
Back to the Future!
In which a nation reeling from years of war and scandal turns its back on the GOP and its eyes towards a fresh-faced progressive just oozing good vibes.
Jimmuh’s second term….
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
Paul
nah….I’m not buying that.
He had to be on premises for a couple hours to pick up a report??
Only little folks like us have to do that….
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
{{{{Dear Scott,}}}}
Since you’re not answering my e-mails anymore, I’m writing to pose a few questions that haven’t been asked on your truth, honesty and candor tour:
{{{{{· Was it the truth or a lie when you told me, during a series of personal discussions in your West Wing office in late 2005 and early 2006 (at the apex of what you now call your period of “disillusionment” and “dismay”), that you were happy in your job and proud to serve President Bush and that you had no intention of leaving soon? What about in April 2006, when rumors swirled about a change at the podium, and you again told me you wanted to stay?}}}}}
{{{{{· Was it the truth or a lie when you told me around Christmas that the excerpts released by your publisher were being “taken out of context” and that your book wasn’t going to be a hatchet job?}}}}}
{{{{{· Was it the truth or a lie when you assured your former deputies that you wanted our “full participation” in the book?}}}}}
{{{{{· Was it the truth or a lie when, after countless briefings, you complained that the White House press corps was too tough, unfair, over the top and didn’t get it?}}}}
Ouch!
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
ITN 4:36
You know all those HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) forms you have to sign at the doctors? More if you want records released to your spouse? That can take just a bit of time. That, and everyone who wants to gladhand and have a grip-n-grin photo with the candidate.
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Thanks, RW. Your route is certainly quicker.
Paul, I’m still reading John Adams. It is a slow read because I try to reserve quality time without distractions. It is simply amazing to read what some of our forefathers had to say (especially about one another!).
After Washington decided to leave office, the two-party system quickly evolved into Republicans (headed by Jefferson) and Federalists (Adams). You could also divide these 2 groups into northern states and southern states. Adams tried (successfully) to avoid war with France even though so many others had worked themselves into a frenzy to go to war.
As far as backroom deals, political infighting, and swiftboating, today’s parties would have to take a backseat to the antics of those days.
By IN THE NEWS
June 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
“Nukalar” Blast from the past….
[In 2000, Team Bush took over the Republican Party and laid out its promises to the American people. The following pledges and claims are taken directly from the 2000 GOP Platform…….“Trust, pride, and respect: we pledge to restore these qualities to the way Americans view their government.”( Think Brownie and Cheney!)…..“Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political misjudgments. A Republican administration working with the Congress will respect the needs and quiet sacrifices of these public servants as it strengthens America’s intelligence and counter-intelligence capabilities”(Can you say Valerie Plame)….. “The arrogance, inconsistency, and unreliability of the [Clinton] administration’s diplomacy have undermined American alliances, alienated friends, and emboldened our adversaries.”(NOT TO SUCCESSFUL ON THIS ONE)…..
By Stand up
June 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
The Cartoon today has triple meaning. Lucko is saying that Bush is admitting that he made Scott lie when he was the press secretary, and that now, his book is the truth. It’s one of those plays on the verbal puzzle, “Everything I tell you is a lie. I am telling you the truth.”
Wooten’s racial column got an explosive commentary reaction from many many posters. Race in America. We are going to have to actually look and talk to the Black American Citizen now, I guess, because with Obama as our president, we can hardly avoid them anymore. I dont know what to say. Sorry about the last Seven Score and four years? Sorry about the last 252 years? SOrry about the last 450 years?
Or maybe we should thank them for being the patsy after the civil war when the south’s phoenix spent itself on ridiculously cruel segregation laws, and thus had nothing left for Shiloh Part Deux. Or thank them for taking it so graciously, (aw shucks, massah), and not starting their own damned rebellion against us.
How can we get blacks to stop hating their blackness? How can we stop hating it? Is Human Nature unteachable? Is Human Nature unfixable? Is Human Nature set in stone, so that we hate first and compromise later?
There’s real fireworks going on over at Wooten’s. RW, @@, and Dusty are trying to recruit KKK members and trying to infect hate into the blog. They are only succeeding in making p-holes out of themselves. Americans R2 wise to fall for any more conservative guff.
Maybe we do have hope after all.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
N-GA
I know what you mean about reserving time - I cannot read while the tv’s on, while my wife does both.
I read an article today about how rough Presidential campaigns were. A key issue exploited when Jefferson ran for President. People here are gonna love it. It’s because… Jefferson did not fight in the Revolutionary War! Bush-Kerry all over again.
And just as trivially misleading.
‘Nuther subject - seems like the pastor at Trinity said the US is the most sinful of countries - something like that. Obama got out just in time. That church has gotta be on McCain’s payroll -
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Having one “crazy uncle”, as Obama noted in March, might be enough to excuse anti-American ravings, even if that “crazy uncle” was the pastor of the church to which Obama belonged for over 20 years. But the four people with which Obama chose to associate in Chicago all have the same diagnosis: anti-Americanism. For all of them, America is the greatest evil in the world, and for Dohrn and Ayers, an enemy to be destroyed. Four data points stops being a coincidence and starts being a pattern.
{{{{{Pfleger’s latest rant also shows that Trinity United hasn’t gotten a bad rap. Listen to this audience cheer Pfleger when he calls America the “greatest sin against God”. They completely buy into that assessment, which belies any rationalization Obama gives for remaining a member of this church for most of his adult life. He’s backing away from TUCC at warp speed now, but Obama cannot escape the years that he associated himself enthusiastically with America-haters of the most vicious stripe.}}}}
By N-GA
June 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
RW,
I suspect that the race will certainly have plenty of charges (by both sides) of associating with the wrong people (Keating, Wright, etc.). But then I would hope that it focuses on the actions and decisions of the candidates. Whether that be a vote or an abstention, or whether it be behavior relating to criminal conduct, being influenced by lobbyists, etc. I also think that we will see which candidate his proven himself most consistent on key issues. Let me suggest that we will find that the more history one has, the more likely there have been changes in policy/position.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
Paul,
That wasn’t the Trinity pastor, it was Father Pfleger. Obama has more than a pastor/parishioner problem with Pfleger though. Some $250,000.00 in earmarks from Obama to Pfleger and also the statement Obama made back around 2002 that Pfleger was someone that helped Obama keep his compass straight.
By Stand up
June 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
The Cartoon today has triple meaning. Lucko is saying that Bush is admitting that he made Scott lie when he was the press secretary, and that now, his book is the truth. It’s one of those plays on the verbal puzzle, “Everything I tell you is a lie. I am telling you the truth.”
Wooten’s racial column got an explosive commentary reaction from many many posters. Race in America. We are going to have to actually look and talk to the Black American Citizen now, I guess, because with Obama as our president, we can hardly avoid them anymore. I dont know what to say. Sorry about the last Seven Score and four years? Sorry about the last 252 years? SOrry about the last 450 years?
Or maybe we should thank them for being the patsy after the civil war when the south’s phoenix spent itself on ridiculously cruel segregation laws, and thus had nothing left for Shiloh Part Deux. Or thank them for taking it so graciously, (aw shucks, massah), and not starting their own damned rebellion against us.
How can we get blacks to stop hating their blackness? How can we stop hating it? Is Human Nature unteachable? Is Human Nature unfixable? Is Human Nature set in stone, so that we hate first and compromise later?
There’s real fireworks going on over at Wooten’s. RW, @@, and Dusty are trying to recruit KKK members and trying to infect hate into the blog. They are only succeeding in making p-holes out of themselves. Americans R2 wise to fall for any more conservative guff.
Maybe we do have hope after all
By jack
June 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
mike luckovich is great, I don”t feel as i have read the jc if I don’t see mike’s political cartoon, so hey guy keep up the good work
By Buy Danish
June 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
Community organizing with the Ayers family is the most noble pursuit on the planet, dontcha know.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/02/opinion/02kristol.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss ">But at an elite Northeastern college campus, Obama obviously felt no need to disturb the placid atmosphere of easy self-congratulation. He felt no need to remind students of a different kind of public service — one that entails more risks than community organizing. He felt no need to tell the graduating seniors in the lovely groves of Middletown that they should be grateful to their peers who were far away facing dangers on behalf of their country.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
I suspect that you’re right. Obama voted present too often to get much in Illinois you can pin him down on and apparently he went to the US Senate for the sole purpose of running for President.
McCain can flip flop nearly as fast as Kerry and Hillary is a Clinton.
By Obambi
June 2, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this
Greetings, fellow dimwits.
We are gathered together today in this place to honor me and the march on Selma that was held 43 years ago to protest thee low grade that I received from my typical white kindergarten teacher for my essay I want talk with thee savages.
She called me an appeaser too, and that was it, thee march was on.
I did not listen to any of MLK’s speeches, so if that mofo said anything that might be used against my campaign, that’s just tough t**-tie, ain’t it?
Matter of fact, I marched twenty miles behind the march, all by myself, so don’t you KKKlintoon operatives be putting the march on me, I didn’t hear a damn thing.
What is all this talk, I ask, about thee Trini, uh, Tritty, no, er, Trinity Church of Christ, that all you stunted morons are mumbling about?
I know of no Trinity.
I never heard their sermons. I never stood on thee pew and cheered when that crazy mofo went on and on about whitey. I never even drove through that neighborhood. If you should find a tape of me clapping raucously in thee congregation then it must have been my sister, she looked just like me before she grew that mustache.
What? What do you mean I don’t have a sister? I never said I had a sister. Why are you f’ing with me man? Somebody stomp this dude please.
This is no way to treat a man who’s cousin fought to liberate Poland, a man who represents thee “change” and thee “hope” that the United States of KKK of A has been longing for.
So remember, you insolent beady eyed dullards, I had nothing to do with it.
I wasn’t even there.
Yes, we can!
By Paul
June 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original)
“Pfleger was someone that helped Obama keep his compass straight”
Your course is only as good as your navigator.
If you trust your navigator -
N-GA 5:16
“Let me suggest that we will find that the more history one has, the more likely there have been changes in policy/position.”
And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it can be quite good.
Something I was thinking about this weekend:
We’ve had eight years of a Pres many have (rightly) criticized for taking not firing key personnel when they no longer served him or the country well.
Now we have McCain firing advisors left, right and center because they are/were lobbyists. Boom, they’re gone.
Obama just this week left his church. Rather sad, but how long did it take him?
It’s about the only Bush/Obama parallel I’ve come up with so far -
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
Have I mentioned what a dunce this guy is?
{{{{{He did express curiosity about the filming of a chase scene in “North by Northwest,” Alfred Hitchcock’s 1959 classic starring Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint that included a death-defying scramble over Rushmore’s presidential faces.}}}}}
“How did they get up there in the first place?” he asked ranger Wesley Jensen.
The Audacity of a Dope! (hat tip to a blog commenter from somewhere, although I don’t recall who or where.)
By Paul
June 2, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this
RW
Careful - a bunch of people who saw National Treasure Book of Secrets are convinced there’s a big lake behind Mt Rushmore and treasure buried beneath -
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Since Obama thought the chase scene really took place on the mountain then he probably asked if he could go boating on the lake, but the park service decided to cut him some slack and not report that part.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
CHANGE…HOPE…CHANGE
Has Obambi seen any killer rabbits yet?
By Michael Taingent
June 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
Paul - There is such a lake, for the initiated. If you look again very carefully, while Cary Grant hides in the nostril of the secret Freemason George Washington, suppressed a telltale sneeze, meanwhile Washington’s artfully carved nose hair points directly to the lake beyond in which Mary Magdalen swims, naked and pregnant.
Didn’t you ever notice that? Really? Well now you know.
By RW-(the original)
June 2, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
{{{{{Public school students at Friendswood Junior High in the Houston area have been roped into Islamic training by representatives from the Council on American-Islamic Relations during class time, prompting religious leaders to protest over Principal Robin Lowe’s actions.}}}}}
“The failure of the principal of Friendswood Junior High to respect simple procedures requiring parental notification for such a potentially controversial subject, to not only approve but participate personally in a religious indoctrination session led by representatives of a group with well-known links to terrorist organizations and her cavalier response when confronted, raises serious questions about her fitness to serve in that role,” the pastors’ organization said.
And the Dhimmification marches on in our very own Dhimmicrat infested government schools.
By AJC/DNC Management
June 2, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
Heh, “global warming:”
{{{{NOAA’s National Weather Service …COLDEST MAY SINCE 1998}}}}
{{{{Chicagoist: 35th Coldest May in 138 Years}}}}
{{{{Country freezing on ‘coldest day of year’ - 29 May 2008}}}}
{{{{Weather News - Coldest May for at least eight years in Brisbane}}}}
{{{{Melbourne’s coldest May night since 1981. 23rd May 2008}}}}
{{{{Coldest night in Ireland for 10 years. Temperatures in Ireland have plunged to their lowest 23 May 2008}}}}
Morons.
By Paul
June 2, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
Michael Taingent
A nosehair?!!?