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By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this
{{{{Justices bolster race, age bias laws- Part of the anti-age bias law says decisions about federal personnel shall be made free from any discrimination based on age.-Urinal/DNC}}}}
Next time I hear one of you mealy mouthed liberals whining about McBushie’s age, I’m suing your as-s.
Bwa.
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{{{{Troop stress disorders up 50%- He also blamed increased exposure of troops to combat.-Urinal/DNC}}}}
What geniuses these anti American pinkos are, exposure to combat causes stress, who would have ever thought it?
When you labor to fabricate an anti war screed, like this hack did, you will always wind up saying something stupid just trying to fill column space.
Speaking of fabricating anti war screeds, check out the AJC/DNC “Iraq Developments:”
{{{{The outcry by al-Sadr >>>>>could<<<<<< sharply heighten tensions over the proposed pact}}}}
{{{{an al-Qaida in Iraq front group >>>>>warned<<<<<< that insurgents would retaliate against U.S. and Iraqi forces}}}}
There is no there there, hahaha, POS.
And what a brave dedicated bunch of panty waist whiners our “diplomats” are:
{{{{The State Department has begun to identify diplomats who could be forced to serve in Iraq next year unless enough volunteers come forward to fill about 300 positions.-Urinal/Code Pinko}}}}
I don’t undersatnd why Bushie doesn’t boot these gigantic cry baby diplomats back to the ratholes from which they emerged. I mean, really, it sounds to me like these POS are trying to scam their way into some cushy government job where they don’t have to do a damn thing, what a great atittude that must portray to all of our allies in the world; Thee American Diplomat, Standing Beside You As Long As It Is Real Safe and Cushy, If Not, Then Good Luck To You Achmed, Cause I’m The F Out Of Here.
Fire them, Bushie.
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this
{{{{Report: Global warming is reshaping U.S.- The scientific assessment by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program which runs 193 pages and synthesizes 1,000 scientific papers, highlights how human-generated carbon-dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels have already translated into more frequent forest fires, reduced snowpack and increased drought, especially in the West.-Urinal/DNC}}}}
From the U.S. Climate Change Science Program website:
{{{{Thirteen departments and agencies of the U.S. Government participate in CCSP and therefore contribute (money) to Our Changing Planet.}}}}
This is a great example of how far gone our government is, federal agencies that we don’t even need get together and budget MORE MONEY to create ANOTHER agency that we do not need.
What a waste.
Check this out: CO2 concentrations are trending upwards while the temperatures are trending downward, so yes, let’s blow billions upon billions of dollars to fabricate some fairy tale world in which government agencies can EXTORT EVEN MORE MONEY FROM US.
Do you dimwit liberal morons realize that the atmosphere of Mars is composed of 95% CO2? According to your hack studies it should be a huge ball of flame, but yet, amazingly, the average Martian surface temp is 100 degrees below zero, hahahahaha.
It’s nothing but a scam, and as long as we have parasite liberals in our government, it is a scam with legs.
Just look at the skyrocketing cost of energy for proof.
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
{{{{-(Fill In Blank) must rein in pensions before it’s too late-Queen Pinko, Urinal/DNC}}}}
Aahh, yes, we’ve finally identified runaway retirement costs as a detrimental factor to the bottom line of various agencies and businesses.
But now we must figure out who this pinko is talking about.
Auto makers? Can’t be, because their products “suck” and thee foreign manufacturers are so much better, it’s their own fault.
The United States of America, nope, social security is “fine” just as it is, remember when the libs said that?
Hmmmmm, the City of Atlanta? Ding, ding, ding, yes, of course their problems wouldn’t be mismanagement or stupidity, it’s retirement benefits that’s doing them in.
Yeah, right.
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{{{{Boy, 11, killed by gun-Urinal/DNC}}}}
Of course, it’s the gun’s fault.
{{{{Atlanta police spokesman James Polite said there was no adult supervision in the home on Eisenhower Circle as the boy, identified Tuesday by the Fulton County medical examiner’s office as Jeremy King, and his 13-year-old brother played with the rifle.}}}}
Anybody want to bet that the gun was either stolen or possessed illegally and that the Urinal/DNC will never disclose this information?
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
In a new tell-all memoir on sale next week, former Bush press secretary Scott McClellan writes that the president depended on propaganda to sell the Iraq war to the American public, The Politico reports……..Bush and his aides “confused the propaganda campaign with the high level of candor and honesty so fundamentally needed to build and then sustain public support during a time of war”;…..Some of McClellan’s assertions before the White House press corps were, in retrospect, “badly misguided”;……Karl Rove and Lewis “Scooter” Libby “had at best misled” McClellan about their roles in the notorious CIA leak case, even as McClellan publicly defended them; ……The White House was in a “state of denial” during the first week after the Hurricane Katrina disaster;……Bush was “steamed” about his top economic adviser telling The Wall Street Journal that a possible Iraq war could cost as much as $200 billion. “He shouldn’t be talking about that,” said Bush, according to McClellan;…..The press was “probably too deferential to the White House” when it came to public discourse over the choice to go to invade Iraq. McClellan also says the “White House press corps went too easy on the administration,” reports Allen
I THINK IT’S ONLY FAIR, THAT AFTER ALL THE SCOTTY BASHING WE 80% HAVE DONE, THAT WE ALLOW THE WINGNUT LEFTOVERS SOME QUALITY TIME TODAY TO DO THEIR OWN SCOTTY BASHING.
HAVE AT IT LEFTOVERS!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Report: Bush-McCain event moved to private home due to low ticket sales, expected protests
OH, THE GAMES THE WINGNUTS PLAY, HIDE (from Bush) AND SEEK (Cash)
VERY IMPRESSIVE DON’T YOU THINK??
BUT HOW ABOUT THIS CRAP:
Taxpayers pay for Bush to attend McCain fundraiser….. CNN’s Ed Henry reports that the White House has scheduled another event during the trip to Arizona, resulting in American taxpayers paying for Bush to raise money for McCain:
By Georgia74
May 28, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Ahhh, Bush lied, I can’t believe that, you can’t be serious, something must be wrong,yade, yade.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
FROM HUFFINGTON POST “Inspired by the GOP’s decision to choose a slogan that was already being used to market an anti-depressant, HuffPost asked our community to suggest a new slogan for the Grand Old Party. Hundreds of you sent in your responses, and here are our favorites:
Number 20. A Chickenhawk In Every Pot!
Number 19. Heckuva Job, Dubya!
Number 18. We’ll Relieve You Of Your Financial Future. You Can Count On it.
Number 17. We’re From The Republican Party And We’re Here To Help You
Number 16. “If They Won’t Let You Vote, Don’t Blame Us, You’re Probably A Democrat.
Number 15. Shut Up And Shop
Number 14. It’s Still All Clinton’s Fault. Vote Republican.
Number 13. Hoover Was An Amateur!
Number 12. Government Is The Problem And If You Elect Us, We Will Prove It
Number 11. Vote GOP. I Wasn’t Using My Civil Liberties Anyway
Number 10. The GOP: Please, Please, Please Vote For Us!
Number 9. We’re Like Wonder Bread. White. Puffy. Tasteless.
Number 8. The GOP: “You Have Nothing To Fear, But Fear Itself - And Who Can Scare You Like We Can?
Number 7. Give Me A Lapel Pin Or Give Me Death
Number 6. Change For The Bitter
Number 5. GOP: Nowhere To Go But Up
Number 4. I Believe in Miracles
Number 3. Vote For Us Or You’ll Have To Marry One Of Them Gays
Number 2. Thanks For Your $ - Sorry About Your Kids
Number 1. Pennies On The Dollar: The Change You People Deserve
Congratulations to HuffPost user RealityBaseCamp who submitted the winning slogan.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Wow! Scott McClellan wrote a book that says Bush mislead us about the Iraq war.
I guess this gives credence to the obvious “DUH” factor.
Isn’t this the equivalent of a Clinton aide writing a tell all book about how Clinton is a womanizer and loves McDonald’s french fries?
I guess he needs the cash and may as well get it while he still can.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Today’s drawing is fabulous, Lucko — but you’d better get out your hard hat again!
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Whose that woman in today’s cartoon?
Bwa!!!
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
I’m beginning to worry about ol’ Luckovich - he’s getting a little too comfortable drawing Hillary with a gun!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Phil Gramm, McCain Co-Chair, Lobbied US On Mortgage Crisis While Advising Candidate On Economic Policy….Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain’s national campaign general co-chair was being paid by a Swiss bank to lobby Congress about the U.S. mortgage crisis at the same time he was advising McCain about his economic policy, federal records show.
AND
McCain guru linked to subprime crisis…The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil…..A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm. Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006…..For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs. Now, some housing experts and economists see Gramm’s thinking in the recent housing proposal from McCain, the Republican Party’s presumed presidential nominee. Gramm is often a surrogate for the Arizona senator, particularly in meetings focused on the economy. And McCain has hinted he’d consider the former Texas senator for Treasury secretary in a McCain administration.
McSAME IS CONSIDERING HIM FOR TREASURY SECRETARY?
WHAT THE HELL?????
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
It’s interesting how many former members and cohorts of Dubya’s administration have tried to de-slime themselves by writing their expose’ books — Paul O’Neill, George Tenet, Richard Clarke, Scott McClellan. I predict that next summer, Senator McBush will be writing his “memoir” of how Dubya’s administration is to blame for his own failed campaign in ‘08… but he won’t be able to de-slime himself because he still vigorously supports Dubya’s policies today!
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Bosch — it’s really sad to see the Clintons implode this way… Bill is out there this week talking about how the media has “disrespected” his wife, and he fails to acknowledge how he himself has disrespected her. And, unlike Obama, at least Hillary has not been on the front page of newspapers with the crosshairs of a gun over her photo!
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, it runs in the family:
{{{{LBJ Behind JFK Killing -Barr McClellan, father of White House press secretary Scott McClellan and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Mark McClellan, is preparing for a Sept. 30 release of a 480-page book by Hannover House that offers photographs, copies of letters, insider interviews and details of fingerprints as proof that Edward A. Clark, the powerful head of Johnson’s private and business legal team and a former ambassador to Australia, led the plan and cover-up for the 1963 assassination in Dallas.}}}}
So LBJ killed Kennedy, eh?
Must be true if a McClellan said it.
Bwa.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
MR.McMULTINAME @ 9:09
what a wise and witty retort!
you sure slammed us!
wow, don’t know if we can stand up to that kind of response!
we will retire to our barcaloungers and weep quietly…..
scootie bootie’s big daddy wrote a book in 2003 and that makes scootie bootie wrong in 2008!
wow!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
John Williams, who spent more than two decades as an economic consultant to Fortune 500 companies, said the government figures understate the true rate of inflation. Williams, who runs Shadow Government Statistics in Oakland, which tracks changes in inflation, unemployment, the gross national product and other data, said that over the past 25 years, the government has changed the method of calculating price increases in ways that have lowered the reported inflation rate. The changes include measuring the cost of shelter by rental prices instead of home values, as well as giving nearly as much weight to high-ticket items such as cars and electronics as to daily necessities such as food and gasoline.According to Williams, if the government measured inflation based on pre-1982 methods, it would be running at 11.6 percent right now, or 7.3 percent using pre-1998 calculations.”I don’t think the government numbers are too credible,” Williams said. “When they say food inflation is moving up by 0.2 percent, that just doesn’t match what we’re seeing in the market. But even if inflation is as low as they are reporting, it’s high enough to be terribly destructive to the economy.”
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
Bush’s Weak Dollar Responsible For Half Of Oil’s Price Increase……As the dollar falls against the euro and other major currencies, oil-exporting states have been demanding more dollars per barrels of oil to protect their ability to meet expenses paid in euros and other currencies……Global institutional investors have tried to protect themselves against further declines in the dollar by moving money into commodity future that are denominated in dollars so that their investments remain stable when the dollar falls. The increased demand for these commodities artificially pushes up prices……But why is the dollar so devalued? CAP’s report traces the bulk of the dollar’s decline to seven recent cuts in the Federal Funds Rate over the past nine months by the Federal Reserve…..The government’s monetary policy, along with the weak dollar, not only create winners and losers in terms of consumers and businesses, but also benefit certain businesses far more than others.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
I don’t have any sympathy for the Clintons - some people just don’t know when to bow out and exit stage left from the political scene.
I thought Bill was a good president - and now they just look vindictive and petty which people will remember them for. They should have quit while they were ahead, and they’ve made their beds (no pun intended :-) )
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
SNEWZE: You don’t like my kook, eh?
Too bad, ain’t it?
LBJ murdered Kennedy, bwa.
{{{{There are difficulties and dangers that remain. There is going to be tough fighting in the days and weeks ahead, as the President has talked about. He will talk about the nature of the enemy, as I mentioned. The terrorists have no regard for human life. They have no vision and no alternative but chaos, destruction and violence. >>>>>>>>>>It is a determined and ruthless enemy that has chosen to make Iraq a central front in the war on terrorism.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< They know that their survival is at stake. Iraq — >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a free and peaceful Iraq will be a major blow to the ambitions of the terrorists.<<<<<<<<<<<<<-Scott McClellan, White House Press Briefing, June 27, 2005}}}}
Gosh, he seemed so…….agreeable.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Mr. McMultiname @ 9:30
Whaaaat?
pointless…..
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
{{{{There is a whiff of hypocrisy here. Mr. Obama, who made $4.2 million last year and lives in a $1.65 million house bought with the help of the indicted Tony Rezko – and whose “elegant suits” and “impeccable ties” made him one of Esquire’s Best-Dressed Men in the World – disdains college students who might want to “chase after the big house and the nice suits.”}}}}
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
NEW YORK - The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently……The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that the US plans an air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The air strike would target the headquarters of the IRGC’s elite Quds force. With an estimated strength of up to 90,000 fighters, the Quds’ stated mission is to spread Iran’s revolution of 1979 throughout the region.
OOOOPS, THEY’LL DO AGAIN!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
ExxonMobil has “admitted that its support for” climate change denier groups “may have hindered action to tackle global warming,” and it the company announced it will cut funds to many of these groups. The move comes as shareholders, meeting in Dallas today, are expected to “urge ExxonMobil to take the problem of climate change more seriously.”
LOOKS LIKE R.(B).W. McMultiname’s sources are about to dry up!
May me HE will be next???
Yes, it is time for HOPE!
By One Voice
May 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Hey Andi,
I guess you’re really going to be angry when the Dems control the House, Senate, and presidency next year, and Obama is appointing liberal judges to the Supreme Court, huh, duh? I mean, you’ve been so p** over the last few years as your team has controlled everything. Even though Repugs have screwed up everything they touched, you continued to blame liberals. Now that the country is awake and conservatism has been shown to be a cult of dishonesty and immorality, you’re really going to have it rough over the next 8 years. I see even your buddy rationalizers and obfuscaters (rw, danish aka the unemployed hag, ditzy, etc.) have turned tail and run. But of course, Miss Andi is still here trying to pretend he wasn’t wrong all along and that his life hasn’t been a delusion devoted to a corrupt cult. Poor girl…
By Midori
May 28, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Where’s Ricky Retardo?
I’m interested on his take of Scotty’s book.
Let the slandering begin!!!
By getalife
May 28, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Of course, her point was anything can happen and Obama attached KO the Obama hack’s “special hit job” to emails to reporters. His wife and Ted Kennedy has brought up assassinations before and so has Hillary several times. Obama’s media manufactured this non story.
Then Obama told this whopper:
“The Pinocchio Test: Before hearing from the Obama campaign, I gave the candidate four Pinocchios for this howler. I am subtracting one Pinocchio in view of the explanation that Obama confused the two concentration camps and that the underlying story was accurate. Three Pinocchios for “significant factual errors.”
Now that will make a great toon but doubt Mike will draw it.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Chicago Tribune: No Obama/Rezko Wrongdoing
NOW, MR. McMULTINAME…..try some new slime. The old is wore slap out.
Try some defense…
how about McSame, Renzi and landswap deals??
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Midori
We both know Ricky Retardo is here now.
He just has his early a.m. sociopath jammies on!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
OOOPS!
forgot this link
Once again, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) invulnerability to the charms of lobbyists and his campaign supporters is put to the test. This time it’s The Washington Post going front page with the tale of McCain’s role in a major Arizona land swap in 2005.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
Damn AJC Op-Ed people! Those names suck! What’s wrong with you? Scarlett and Sherman? Helen and Hiram? Clayton and Vidalia? Are you kidding me? It’s like voting for president - picking the lesser of the two evils.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
OH NO…..FORGOT THIS ONE TOO!
Federal agents interviewed staffers for likely Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) as part of their corruption case against Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.).
By Paul
May 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
ITN 8:13
McClellan states “Bush and his advisors knew that the American people would almost certainly not support a war launched primarily for the ambitious purpose of transforming the Middle East. Rather than open this Pandora’s Box, the administration chose a different path -“
While I normally do not indulge in such questions, I will make an exception for you. Have you ever heard this argument before? Here, possibly? And dismissed it because it was presented by someone who was “just a blogger”?
Rhetorical - no answer expected. It’s the concept - not the person. Nearly always.
Bosch 8:40
What should be even more alarming are all those in Congress who bought the premise. Not that the premise wasn’t valid, but that they couldn’t see beyond it to other issues.
Goldie 9:00
“have tried to de-slime themselves by writing their expose’ books “
Great line!
ITN 9:21
You gotta figure anyone who runs an outfit called “Shadow Government Statistics” has a certain… point of view.
ITN 9:36
Notice it’s not a strike against the nuke facilities the IAEA’s concerned about? But a command and control center? Does your source have any idea why?
ITN 9:39
It’s quite out of the norm for the Rockefellers to go so public like this. Exxon Mobil’s head has said “hey, we’re a petro company” - while the Rockefellers are not looking just at the environmental implications but the post-petroleum business situation. But with E-M’s assertion that roughly the same percentage of petroleum will be used thirty years out - well, the top guys, and those under them waiting to move up - will be long gone. And most will have not outlived a very nice retirement.
Remember Alfred E. Neuman in Mad Magazine? “What, me worry?”
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
{{{{By One Voice May 28, 2008 9:45 AM Hey Andi, I guess you’re really going to be angry when Obama is appointing liberal judges to the Supreme Court, huh, duh?}}}}
One Dhimmi: If Obambi does win the White House, which I seriously doubt he will, 2 to 1 says that he forgets that he’s a liberal and starts appointing Conservative judges to the bench.
The dude doesn’t even know what planet he’s on.
By Midori
May 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
ITN — check it out:
McClellan on Bush and Cocaine:
McClellan tracks Bush’s penchant for self-deception back to an overheard incident on the campaign trail in 1999 when the then-governor was dogged by reports of possible cocaine use in his younger days.
The book recounts an evening in a hotel suite “somewhere in the Midwest.” Bush was on the phone with a supporter and motioned for McClellan to have a seat.
“‘The media won’t let go of these ridiculous cocaine rumors,’ I heard Bush say. ‘You know, the truth is I honestly don’t remember whether I tried it or not. We had some pretty wild parties back in the day, and I just don’t remember.’”
“I remember thinking to myself, How can that be?” McClellan wrote. “How can someone simply not remember whether or not they used an illegal substance like cocaine? It didn’t make a lot of sense.”
Bush, according to McClellan, “isn’t the kind of person to flat-out lie.”
“So I think he meant what he said in that conversation about cocaine. It’s the first time when I felt I was witnessing Bush convincing himself to believe something that probably was not true, and that, deep down, he knew was not true,” McClellan wrote. “And his reason for doing so is fairly obvious — political convenience.”
In the years that followed, McClellan “would come to believe that sometimes he convinces himself to believe what suits his needs at the moment.” McClellan likened it to a witness who resorts to “I do not recall.”
“Bush, similarly, has a way of falling back on the hazy memory to protect himself from potential political embarrassment,” McClellan wrote, adding, “In other words, being evasive is not the same as lying in Bush’s mind.”
And McClellan linked the tactic to the decision to invade Iraq, a decision based on flawed intelligence.
“It would not be the last time Bush mishandled potential controversy,” he said of the cocaine rumors. “But the cases to come would involve the public trust, and the failure to deal with them early, directly and head-on would lead to far greater suspicion and far more destructive partisan warfare,” he wrote.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Midori
no real surprise there….
we are going to see the Dance of the Wingnuts over this whole business over the next few days
TRULY, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.
I still think Scootie Booties is a huge turd. Anybody who knew this stuff and didn’t speak up when some of it could have been prevented is still due a butt kickin’.
Bush hired for loyalty, screwed folks, tossed them under 18 wheelers and made them part of what is turning out to be the worst administration in our history…….
and it’s seems the citizenry is finally smelling the shiit that we’ll be cleaning up for years to come.
By Midori
May 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
ITN:
So very well put.
the only people who haven’t awakened — that pitiful 20 or so percent — are stuck on stupid.
Sorta like Ricky Retardo and his multiple personalities.
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Midori: While McClellan’s stuff makes interesting reading; where was he when we needed him?
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
{{{{By Midori May 28, 2008 10:16 AM Bush, according to McClellan, “isn’t the kind of person to flat-out lie.”}}}}
Gee, I R o Dim, thanks for the defense of Bushie’s character.
Duh.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
If you volunteer for military service, some Fox News personalities believe you’re entitled to worse educational benefits
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Obama Opens Up a Can of “WHOOOOP-A$$” - DECKS McSame…GREAT PICTURE!!!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Brenman from Melbourne, Florida writes: Jack, Senator McCain is treating President Bush like a mistress. He wants to receive all the benefits (pleasure) from him but doesn’t want to be seen too much in public with him. This shows the true character of McCain. He will do and say anything to become president of the United States of America.
The innate “smarts” of the American citizen!
By Paul
May 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
ITN 10:40
Since you’re reposting from yesterday, so will I!
(BTW - one really can’t say one who takes advantage of a current program has it worse compared to a program that doesn’t exist…)
“Fox News’s Kilmeade Says Vets Don’t Deserve Webb’s GI Bill Because They Volunteered To Serve”
Glad to see you posted that to highlight some of the false premises of Webb’s bill. I listened to Sen Webb on NPR this morning. He regularly compared his bill to the WWII version - but never mentioned the purpose of that bill was to transition millions of vets into the economy, avoid high unemployment and provide a skilled workforce at a time when most Americans didn’t go to college.
He also never mentioned WWII was a draft situation - we haven’t had a draft for decades. His entire (unchallenged) thesis was that some young people make a career decision and after a few years they should get upwards of a couple hundred grand benefit to not continue with their career.
I got the impression Sen Webb was sincere - and still very angry over Vietnam. But forty years ago is not now.
So again, thanks for the post illustrating some weaknesses in Sen Webb’s bill.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Paul,
When reading the article about McClellan’s book, I thought of the Orwellian phrases “War is Peace” and “Ignorance is Strength” along with the familiar protest phrase “bombing for peace is like f$cking for virginity.”
By Jesus
May 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By Paul
May 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Bosch
Gives new meaning to the “Inside the Beltway Mentality” doesn’t it? (for both parties-)
By @@
May 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
That’s a helluva way to administer a “petty cure” ml. You get bonus points for “the silencer.”
Geraldine Ferraro said it was the Obama campaign who first cried foul on Hillary’s RFK gaffe?
Obama does a whole lot of finger pointing (whining) himself. He could use a “MANicure”.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
{{“Fox News’s Kilmeade Says Vets Don’t Deserve Webb’s GI Bill Because They Volunteered To Serve”}}
Paul @ 10:53 — Webb’s GI Bill would serve to up the recruitment numbers… after new recruits do their 3 years in (or however many years the minimum sign-up is these days), they receive educational benefits for their service to America… it’s a similar incentive to Obama’s proposal for college tuition paid for community service. Many college-age kids are interested in that benefit!
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
Well, how’s the IN THE NEWS Blog today? Still cutting & pasting the old liberal lingo I see. Thanks to Paul, Andy for their ever reasonable comments. RW will come along and add more good sense. Nice to get something original from these three.
Bosch, I agree with you. Luckovich is getting absurd about connecting guns to Hillary. But then he is absurd in so many ways I shouldn’t be surprised. Connecting guns, assassin, Hillary in a race with Obama is a suggestive insult.
Maybe Lucko’s little contest will perk things up a bit but I doubt it. Wonder when we get to pick crazy names for Tucker, Bookman or even Lucko?
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
McCain voted with Bush 100 percent of the time in 2008.
McSame
gets more McSame-ish as we get closer to election…..
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Educational benefits have been shown to raise the number of military recruits. Based on an analysis of the existing literature, CBO estimates that a 10 percent increase in educational benefits would result in an increase of about 1 percent in high-quality recruits. On that basis, CBO calculates that raising the educational benefits as proposed in S. 22 would result in a 16 percent increase in recruits.
WEAKNESSES?
BULLDOOKIE.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Mr. McMultiname in drag SEE: 11:10
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
UBS has told members of its former private banking team responsible for rich US clients not to travel to America, the Financial Times reported. The Swiss bank has also made lawyers available to the more than 50 bankers involved, many of whom have left UBS since it decided last November to wind down its cross-border private banking business for US customers.
I WONDER IF McSAME’s ADVISOR PHIL GRAMM HAS A CURRENT PASSPORT…..CASE HE NEEDS A QUICK ESCAPE!
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Paul,
Care to elaborate on that thought?
Dusty,
Maybe Luckovich has a thing for women with guns. There are so many absurd things about this race - toooo many to mention.
I didn’t like ANY of those name combos - I’m so disappointed.
You’re forgetting Wooten now, be fair, we should have the chance to nick-name Wootie boy too (what do you think? Wootie boy? Nah - we can do better than that).
By Paul
May 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Goldie
That’s an interesting parallel. Off the top of my head, I’d say the service guys get paid for doing a job, while the college grads are more involved in the repayment of a debt. An interesting reverse, though - work, then get benefit vs get benefit then work.
As I listened to Webb it was all couched in “Iraq service.” So much so that I got to thinking, is this only for those who served in-theater? As I’ve pointed out before: Navy: zero risk. Air Force: hardly any. Army: more so - but even then, it breaks down by occupational specialty.
It just strikes me as going in opposition to the goal of encouraging people to remain in and build a career, professional force.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Bosch
Just that a lot’s made that once inside the Beltway, many become insulated, talk amongst those of similar views and so reinforce their “rightness”, and concoct the most fantastical reasons to push forward with what they want to do.
On another vein, reading yesterday, then today - there’s another similarity in both campaigns. Both candidates have made much of their desire to wage a different kind of campaign (and with a couple of exceptions, are doing a reasonable job) but their hired guns (or the guns in the background - the 527s) - it’s business as usual.
Sigh.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Paul,
One of the reasons I like Obama is that he’s not been in Washington - some call that “inexperience” - that’s bs - look at his rise to where he is now - and can still come out relatively squeaky clean? You (not you personally) call him “inexperienced”? I call that brilliant.
By TW
May 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Declaring oneself a Democrat or a Republican is a luxury to be enjoyed only after our nation’s sovereignty is ensured. On this we are all on the same side, Americans protecting the freedoms our forefathers fought for us to have. As Americans, we ALL have an obligation to make sure that our soldiers, the salt of our union, are never called on to make the ultimate sacrifice unless there is an imminent threat to our nation.
All of us as Americans, GOP and Dem alike, should be appalled at the revelations in McClellan’s book.
At this point, anything less than Impeachment is a slap in the face to the families of our lost soldiers.
By Jim Shew
May 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management, please preface all of your comments with “in my opinion.” Afterall, you seem to be the only one who thinks the way you do. How does it feel to be a group of one in a crowd of so many?
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Ok, am I getting this straight?
NONE of MLK’s children had their own children until NOW?
HUH?
By Midori
May 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I found that very puzzling myself.
Martin Jr. is the only offspring who is married.
And one of the daughters died recently.
I’m glad the bloodline is to be continued — tho it took a very long time.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
TW,
Great post. I totally agree.
I wish Jesus (see above) could pull some strings.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
ITN 11:14
It appears we’re back to dropped posts. I’ll recap a response which didn’t make it.
I read your highlight and thought “Oh, no, I hope CBO didn’t use that methodology (but then again, I’m just a blogger). Extrapolating numbers created for one situation from numbers derived from another situation gives you… numbers. Without much meaning. Kind of like averaging averages.
The first set was done to ATTRACT (not shouting, just emphasis) NEW recruits. The current situation is about RETAINING CURRENT personnel.
But I was amused to see ThinkProgress thinks we need to nearly double the number of new recruits. Could it be because, as your headline omitted but the story illustrated, such an incentive would cause a huge decline in reenlistment rates (my original point)?
So if your objective is to reduce the number of first-term enlistees who’d reenlist, thereby reducing the numbers available for a career cadre, thereby reducing the number of experienced troops available for redeployment to an unpopular war, then the Webb bill seems just the ticket.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Jim Shew 12:17
“How does it feel to be a group of one in a crowd of so many?”
Isn’t that the same question people asked Obama when he first spoke out against the war?
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
{{Off the top of my head, I’d say the service guys get paid for doing a job, while the college grads are more involved in the repayment of a debt.}}
Paul @ 11:25 — well, I believe that “it’s not just a job” we’re talking about here… and there should be some incentive for those who risk their lives doing their “job”. After all, they’re not getting compensated with sufficient $$$ for enlisting and risking their lives.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
{{AJC/DNC Management, please preface all of your comments with “in my opinion.”}}
Jim S. @ 12:17 — you’re responding to our resident 3rd grader here… otherwise known as Andy, or just “DUH” will do. It’s best to just scroll on down thru his posts, because they’re all the same day after day.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Goldie
I didn’t mean to imply it’s “just a job.” Gets back to the idea of if it’s a job, or a calling. Many servicemembers view it as more of a calling. Speaking only of compensation and monetary rewards has the effect of strengthening the “job” view (pay me for what I choose to do).
I’ll go back to an example I’ve cited before. Early 90s the Air Force was experiencing a lot of pilots leaving. Poll after poll showed much of the dissatisfaction was - leadership. AF solution? Money. $20,000 a year extra. Over time the numbers stabilized. And not too many years later, when the airlines were laying off thousands of pilots and some had been furloughed for years? You guessed it. The AF is still paying $20,000 a year so pilots will stay in. But they know they’re appreciated.
I realize the situations aren’t equivalent. But it shows what happens when everything is reduced to a “we’ll give you money” issue when speaking of servicepersonnel. Heck, as I’ve noted before, most (not many, most) don’t even know how much they get paid when you ask them. They’ve an idea, but not like you or I would know.
It’s not always about money.
But you’ve made a case, and I’ve made a case. Thank you.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Paul
What is amusing is your take on the matter:
“But I was amused to see ThinkProgress thinks we need to nearly double the number of new recruits. “
Nothing in that link comes close to even suggesting that.
So why the snarkasm?
That’s the kind of misleading framing that we get from Mr. Multiname and is suspicious coming from you.
Why do you, personally, oppose the Webb bill?
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 12:45 — I guess it all boils down to what everyone really means when they say “I support our troops”… oh really? It may be another example of cheap words, wherein some folks of a certain political persuasion do not wish to pay for much of anything if it involves “MY tax dollars”…
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Jim Shew May 28, 2008 12:17 PM AJC/DNC Management, please preface all of your comments with “in my opinion.” Afterall, you seem to be the only one who thinks the way you do. How does it feel to be a group of one in a crowd of so many?}}}}
Dim Shoe: You’d be surprised at all of the true Americans that are upset and very angry about McClellan’s little venture into the fever swamps.
Clearly, you are not a member of that same crowd.
I, on the other hand, while not as angry as most are about this, am proud to be a part of this growing dissatisfaction with people who would stab America in the back so that they can have praise and $$$$ lavished upon them by the scum of the Earth, little puke people that get off criticizing and committing treason against the greatest and most caring nation in the world.
If you got a problem with that, it’s just too f’n bad, ain’t it?
By mm
May 28, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Please explain to me why the private firm “soldiers” in Iraq make 2 or 3 times the pay of the real American soldiers in Iraq while taking a fraction of the risks? Is this ok too?
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
ITN @ 12:52 — I believe there are about 28% of Americans who see no problem with Dubya’s doctrine of sending our military troops on 3rd and 4th tours of war duty, and all the while paying military contractors and war profiteers multiple times over for some of those same duties… and that’s what McBush wants to continue doing on into the future if he’s elected to the White House.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
bosch,11:22
As soon as Wooten gets as liberal and spaced out as the TBL trio(Tuc, Book & Luc), we can then have a contest. Right now, Wooten is too “on-the-ball” to need contests for motivation.Also Obama’s next speech: (ITN may reprint..)
We need CHANGE, I say, CHANGE for propensity, probation and prosperity for the poor people of persecution in Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, NYC,Timbuktu and I will give you the guiding hand, lottery tickets, free meds for CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE and does anybody have some small change for my train ride which is saving the environment, the polar bears and the children of Darfur which McCain like Bush cares for nothing more than a hoedown in the backyard of Crawford not the slums of Baghdad where he is killing innocent bomb-loaded civilians every day which McClelland has made poopoo abundantly clear and Michele and the children and the dog all agree with him even as they finally find something good in the USA. So join me for CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE. Some kind. Maybe Wright for VP! Any kind. I don’t know what kind BUT… I will give you CHANGE!!! Now, I gotta go. Where’s the limo?
By Paul
May 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
ITN
My mistake. I was thinking of the numbers as I was typing and didn’t recheck. But the projected reduction in reenlistment cited is significant - have you ever seen the numbers - hundreds of thousands - it costs to get an experienced soldier? And the time it takes to replace one?
As I’ve said when we first discussed it - AmVet and I, I believe - I do oppose the Webb Bill for the reasons I’ve cited. And for several others.
“Showing appreciation” with money after the fact is a slippery slope, as I’ve discussed. Didn’t we go through an exercise once, where I kept citing ever-generous “appreciation” benefits and asked, where does it stop? If there’s consistency, it doesn’t.
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Thommie Freidman gets really warm to his own weirdo idea:
{{{{We must not make that mistake again. Therefore, what our mythical candidate would be proposing, argues the energy economist Philip Verleger Jr., is a “price floor” for gasoline: $4 a gallon for regular unleaded, which is still half the going rate in Europe today. Washington would declare that it would never let the price fall below that level. If it does, it would increase the federal gasoline tax on a monthly basis to make up the difference between the pump price and the market price.}}}}
{{{{But the message going forward to every car buyer and carmaker would be this: The price of gasoline is never going back down. Therefore, if you buy a big gas guzzler today, you are locking yourself into perpetually high gasoline bills. You are buying a pig that will eat you out of house and home. At the same time, if you, a manufacturer, continue building fleets of nonhybrid gas guzzlers, you are condemning yourself, your employees and shareholders to oblivion.}}}}
Understand this, know it well-
The liberals have absolutely no intentions of ever making energy affordable again.
None whatsoever.
They see this as their opportunity to clamp down on your freedoms, to put your life at risk inside of some tinderbox flaming hybrid, to destroy the economic engine of the United States which relies on a free people that can travel and conduct business without restrictions.
It is environmental terrorism, no different than some raghead flying a jumbo jet into an office building.
Dead people in their tiny cars on the highway and economic devastation, the end result of both acts.
And both atrocities perpetrated by ignorant, angry, mouth breathing morons.
No wonder these liberals are on al Qaeda’s side.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Bush ‘Plans Iran Air Strike by August’…….The source said the White House views the proposed air strike as a limited action to punish Iran for its involvement in Iraq. The source, an ambassador during the administration of president H W Bush, did not provide details on the types of weapons to be used in the attack, nor on the precise stage of planning at this time. It is not known whether the White House has already consulted with allies about the air strike, or if it plans to do so………………..Details provided by the administration raised alarm bells on Capitol Hill, the source said. After receiving secret briefings on the planned air strike, Senator Diane Feinstein, Democrat of California, and Senator Richard Lugar, Republican of Indiana, said they would write a New York Times op-ed piece “within days”, the source said last week, to express their opposition. Feinstein is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and Lugar is the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee………….Given their obligations to uphold the secrecy of classified information, it is unlikely the senators would reveal the Bush administration’s plan or their knowledge of it. However, going public on the issue, even without specifics, would likely create a public groundswell of criticism that could induce the Bush administration reconsider its plan.
THIS CRAP SOUNDS SERIOUS
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
Paul I must have missed the post where you otlined the reasons you opposed the Webb GI bill.
Would you please restate them for us?
Amvet if you are out there, I’d be interested in your reasons as well.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Just a quick observation.
Doesn’t the form of the post at 1:10 look just like another Mr. McMultiname screed?
It even has the standard/required scatological reference.
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
What is the republican party promise for the future? We are now 11 Trillion dollars in debt. Wages are stagnant. All prices are rising.
The dollar is at an all time low against foreign currency. We are at war. Trade Deficits are huge. Many jobs have been permanently lost.
What is the plan?
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Seven years of not tracking down Bin Laden and his pals makes the Repug Party look like they’re “on Al Qaeda’s side”… by diverting all our resources in Iraq, with no end in sight… OBL is smilin’ happy today!
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Paul: I think you miss the point. A GI-Bill is an incentive to enlist, as well. If High Schoolers are thinking about military service a GI-Bill is certainly an incentive to them. Don’t you think? Surely, it is also a gesture of thanks for those who have served.
Frankly, the McCain argument doesn’t hold water. Only a small percentage of future career military will leave for a GI-Bill. Many more will leave due to, corrupt political leadership, incompetence in the execution of policy and a failed Iraq mission.
Don’t you think?
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Loyal Bushies Smear McClellan: ‘Disgruntled,’ ‘Self-Serving,’ ‘Sounds Like A Left-Wing Blogger’
THIS LINK SHOWS THE PAST SMEARS TOO…
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly diagnosed cases of post-traumatic stress disorder among U.S. troops sent to Iraq and Afghanistan surged 46.4 percent in 2007, bringing the five-year total to nearly 40,000, according to U.S. military data released on Tuesday.
OK, DOES THAT NUMBER ABOVE INCLUDE ALL THE PTSD CASES OR DOES THE FOLLOWING KICK IN……
CREW and VoteVets release email telling VA staff to “refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight out”
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
ITN:
40,000 cases of PTSD will put the fritz on re-enlistments.
Also, Sgt. Ryan Maseth’s death by electrocution in his bathroom won’t help the re-enlistments, either.
The republicans have screwed the pooch on this one.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
mm 1:06
Because they’re private contractors. Private. They can pay what they want. Same reason a research doctor with the Center for Disease Control doesn’t make what a doctor at Johns Hopkins makes.
People don’t enlist for the money. It’s the “calling” thing, I believe.
ITN
When it first began, I saw it rather cynically as an attempt by Webb to do what the Congress wouldn’t - put a crimp in the military’s ability to conduct operations in Iraq by inducing large numbers of first and second-termers to leave. AmVet and, I believe, Glenn, made the case Webb is sincere in this.
But listening to Webb on the Diane Rehm show on NPR strengthened my believe he’s carrying a lot of baggage from Vietnam.
Vietnam was draft-based. Draft ended in 1973. Nearly four decades ago. GI Bill was designed during WWII to transition millions of draftees into the economy, avoid unemployment, create a skilled workforce.
GI Bill remained, with some modifications (military’s no different than many other institutions when it comes to letting go of money or a benefit). But it was balanced, first as a recruitment tool, but it was done so it wasn’t so attractive as to provide an inducement to leave service.
I gave AmVet an example - a company hires a person on a three-year contract, gives them a good compensation package, provides lots of training. At the end of the contract the company says “We really like the work you’ve done and would like you to stay. But if you decide not to, we’ll understand. In fact, we’ll give you a check for one or two hundred thousand dollars. Now, what would you like to do?”
Plus, and this is important, many, many military personnel attend college WHILE they are on active duty. In fact, for officers and some senior sergeants, it is MANDATORY if one wants to get promoted (if you’re career and don’t get promoted, you’re told thanks and don’t let the door hit you on the way out).
Another reason I mentioned was Webb’s refrain on Iraq. The structure of his argument was combat, danger, Iraq, etc. But the reality is, two services have next to zero danger afforded. Army and Marines do. So if it’s to say “thank you” for combat - well, it’s like giving a teacher a bonus because the kids passing rate raised. And the admininst
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said that the House Judiciary Committee would be willing to arrest Karl Rove if the former White House official doesn’t testify about his role in the firing of nine U.S. attorneys in 2006.
WE NEED TO GET SCOOTIES PHONE NUMBER TO DEBBIE!
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
By Goldie May 28, 2008 9:06 AM Bosch — it’s really sad to see the Clintons implode this way… Bill is out there this week talking about how the media has “disrespected” his wife, and he fails to acknowledge how he
Good afternoon all. Goldie, the media has “disrespected” his wife! That’s a mild way to catagorize what the media has done to Hillary. At any rate, I’ll support Obama if (and I’m sure he will be) he’s nominated, but he will lose in the General. Just loook at the wingnuts posting here. These pitiful dweebs are a ‘drop in the bucket’ of what will come. We’ve seen a bit of what’s to come recently, and that’s just the beginning. Hillary tried to tell them, but of course whatever she said was deemed to be “racist.” Also the righters screamed “racist!” Just remember the pubbies are the best in the land at twisting the facts, muddying the water. Example: What have you heard from the dork who previously brought up the FLAG ISSUE. Not a blessed thing! Same with that snit in California who brought up the gay marriage issue. Muddying the WATER!! Goldie, they are pros at this stuff. Anyway, I’ll support the Democrat nominee, but I’m veeeerrry concerned about the outcome of this election, and the fate of this country! We do need a CHANGE!!
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
So Paul,
You don’t support the Webb GI bill because:
a. Jim Webb has baggage from ‘Nam.
b. Because you see it as an anti-recruitment tool
c. some of the troops might get some college or college level training while they are on the job
d. army and marines are really in dangerous duty but air force and navy guys aren’t in too much danger
Is that accurate?
By Paul
May 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
Another reason I mentioned was Webb’s refrain on Iraq. The structure of his argument was combat, danger, Iraq, etc. But the reality is, two services have next to zero danger afforded. Army and Marines do. So if it’s to say “thank you” for combat - well, it’s like giving a teacher a bonus because the kids passing rate raised. And the admininstrator. And the secretary, janitor, deliveryman, recruiters, etc.
But primarily it’s antithetical to the goals of a career, professional military force. And I don’t think that serves the greater good.
Daniel 1:48
I trust the earlier paragraph addressed that. There needs to be a balance between an inducement to get in and an inducement to get out.
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
By Bosch May 28, 2008 11:58 AM Paul, One of the reasons I like Obama is that he’s not been in Washington - some call that “inexperience” - that’s bs -
Excellent point Bosch! Look at the “Experience” we have had dealing the cards for the last 8 years. DISGUSTING!
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
{{{{Claims of injuries from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) are being used to grossly inflate the casualty rate and establish a whole new class of dubious “victims” out of veterans who served their country and are now being induced to serve themselves by both those who hate the American military while, of course, ritually praising their “service,” and veteran lobbyist groups who claim to speak “for veterans” while increasing their ability to sell veterans on the benefits they get by paying for membership.}}}}
{{{{In doing so, they have helped veterans and in some cases people who simply claimed to be veterans make hundreds of thousands of PTSD injury claims in what military records fraud expert B.G. Burkett calls “by far the largest collection of military disability fraud cases in the history of the United States, all alleging PTSD.”}}}}
{{{{In an attempt to try to get a handle on the flood of PTSD disability claims overwhelming the Veteran’s Administration, its Inspector General department asked Burkett to take a look at a pilot study the VA had made of 2,100 random PTSD cases that had been extracted out of the 287,000 cases they were considering at the time.}}}}
{{{{Of that sample group, for example, more than 28% had no medical trauma event of any kind in their records. And the rate of successful PTSD claims processed through the VA system was far higher in some parts of the country. Some areas approved 60% of claims with no trauma record while only 10% were granted in others.}}}}
Just another scam.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
ITN
No, it’s not.
Webb’s “baggage” is irrelevant. I cited it merely to illustrate how one’s past experiences, no matter how long ago, can affect one’s judgment on other issues.
It’s not an antirecruitment tool, it’s an antiretention tool. We don’t need more recruiting incentives. But if this goes through, the irony will be, we’ll start coming up with bonuses and such to induce people to stay.
Troops already get college while on the job. My point was, for many it’s mandatory.
Your last point - I said how Webb went on and on about Iraq (I’ll provide you the NPR link if you want) and I said that rationale doesn’t hold, as many (I’ll venture, most) on active duty, even first-termers, don’t come anywhere near Iraq.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
Morningstar — like you, I’m veeerrry concerned about November, too… I want WHOEVER WILL WIN, and right now that person is Obama. The baggage that the Clintons bring to the General Election is enormous, what with their “unlikability” numbers being so high all across America! And the new voters that we can recruit to vote with the Dems will be higher if Obama is our guy — the Clintons are unable to get new recruits as excited about CHANGE as Obama, and he will be our winner in November!
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Paul: You need to talk with a vet. Patriotism runs deep in certain areas of the country. I was raised in Appalachia. I enlisted at 17 years of age. The GI-Bill had nothing to do with my leaving service.
People who enlist do so for patriotic reasons. People who stay do so for love of country, mission, service, etc.
The number of PTSD, suicides, deaths and wounded from the failed Iraq War impact reenlistments a heckuva lot more than college. Remember, most Americans don’t go to college.
That dog won’t hunt.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Well Paul, I respect your opinion.
But I think that it is terribly wrong, short sighted and mean spirited.
And I am glad it’s not up to you.
But thanks for your forthrightness.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management 2:47
That’s gotta be the gutsiest post of the day. At a time when many are going on about how all the military are heroes (except Murtha, of course) and include the obligatory “we thank you for your service” whenever responding to a question, you point out that they’re human, with all the foibles. And some will even scam their fellow citizens and will dishonor the truly disabled among them.
Just for money.
Gutsy.
By mm
May 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Paul at 2:25,
Thanks for you canned wingnut response.
However, you fail to admit that our tax dollars are paying for BOTH the real soldiers and contract soldiers.
So you are saying the real soldiers don’t deserve as much money as the contract soldiers?
Way to support the real soldiers wingnut. They put their lives on the line for you and you want to pay the candy @sses in the green zone more money.
Please explain your way out of this one, O’ Fountain of Spin.
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
By Paul May 28, 2008 12:45 PM | didn’t mean to imply it’s “just a job.” Gets back to the idea of if it’s a job, or a calling. Many servicemembers view it as more of a calling.
I’m a LIBERAL (in some areas) who believes in a strong military. INITIATE the DRAFT!!!! It worked! When some of my ‘older’ relatives and friends discussed events, they’d mention family members (NURSES for example), who were brainwashed in the 1940’s and 1950’s regarding this “It’s a calling” business. This was in the private sector. This (a calling) is wonderful up to a point! This may be true of military service, up to a point! We would all prefer to be where THE ALMIGHTY designated! However, I believe for the country to be strong, we NEED THE DRAFT! No excuses! No exceptions! AND this includes females. Little snookie-poo (daughter) doesn’t have to serve on the front lines, if that’s what the country decides. It certainly would get my vote (no front lines for females unless she’s a medic). Anyhoo, I want even go there! We do need the draft, since the Almighty McBush will probably be the next president! ON WITH THE DRAFT! LET’s accomplish VICTORY IN IRAQ, and ATTACH IRAN (I’m jokin but you just watch!)
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Paul,
How much of a percentage of Blackwater and John Hopkin’s total budget comes from federal contracts? I’d be willing to wager that Blackwater’s is higher.
Blackwater’s military forces do the same job as regular U.S. forces, why do they get paid more.
And I’d also be willing to wager that when Blackwater has to give the feds mandated final reports to account for what they’ve done with the money, they are comparable to Israel’s mandated accountability reports(OH, nevermind, they don’t have to account for what they do with our money).
Bad comparison in my opinion. This is a case where the ultra-right’s complete illogical notion that everything needs to be privatized is a plain waste of our money that could be better spent.
Morningstar,
Thanks. An elaboration on that point. Many people consider the fact that Obama is inexperienced because he hasn’t been in Washington long enough - to me, that’s a major selling point. He is not as connected, that’s true, but again, another major selling point - he’ll be able to respond to the environment without being bound by promises to lobbyists - alot of his campaign funding have come from normal individuals (at least from what I’ve read) - he seems the one candidate who is the most obligated to the voters who vote for him - the individual American - and not the corporate interests that dominate everything in this country.
But that’s just me - maybe I’m naive and idealistic.
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Paul: The greatest betrayal has been of the American Service man and women. Sending troops into a ground war in Asia. You grind youngsters into ash. Are the suicides a scam?
By Paul
May 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Daniel
I believe I said the same thing on why people join. It isn’t the money.
As with many issues, there isn’t a single reason why people leave, either. Notice I cited the AF pilots earlier. Top reason for leaving was poor leadership.
But in this situation I’m not talking about the soldiers/Marines/some airmen who don’t want to go back for another Iraq tour. I’m not talking about those who’ve had some lousy experiences, inept NCOs, careerist officers. I’m talking about the solid troop who’s on the fence. The person who likes what the service provides, and what he provides it. Who sees it, balancing all factors, as a good life. But who sees the lure of four years of no-worries education as just too good to pass up.
Some of the very people I’d like to see stay in.
By IN THE NEWS
May 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Ok PAul Let me try to restate it correctly.
You do not support the Webb GI bill because:
a. Webb judgement is effected by past experience so therefore the bill is not appropriate
b. it is an anti-retention tool
c. some troops get mandatory college or college level training
d. the education benefit should only apply to combat vets
Is that it?
Just trying to understand…..
Just trying to put it plain simple language.
By mm
May 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Duh at 2:47,
That’s gotta be the most insane post of the year.
I think you suffered PTSD when your mom took away your pacifier and Depends.
You are no American, loser.
I can’t wait until November when the Dems win in a landslide. You will go off the deep end (if you haven’t already) and get banned from this blog. And I won’t have to read or skip over your drivel any longer.
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
By Goldie May 28, 2008 2:53 PM
Goldie, I just hope you’re right that most Americans will realize we do need a CHANGE. And it certainly will not happen with McBush & Company!
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Bosch: A private contractor built Ryan Maseth’s shower. When he went in and turned it on electricity rained down on him, he was killed. There have been a number of other electrocutions.
The right-wing is delusional. They live in a fantasy. They will never talk about the real cost of the war. They show up for the parade.
They ask someone else to serve. They want to wage war on debt. They give the debt to our kids. They hide the coffins.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Lincoln Chafee would be a great addition to Obama’s bi-partisan cabinet in 2009 — smart, level-headed, and not a war-monger!
I open my newspaper every morning wondering if this is the day the Bush/Cheney administration does something as foolhardy and dangerous as launching a military strike against Iran, or instigating one. Never mind that the Iranians control the Straits of Hormuz, and that once we go to war against Persians as well as Arabs, there is no predicting the consequences.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Daniel @3:20,
Preaching to the choir! Amen! :-)
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
Morningstar — there are many reasons to know that Obama will win in November, and here’s just two reasons:
The more people get to know Obama, the more likely it is that he will get their support. But the more they know about McCain, the less likely they are to vote his way.
Obama’s campaign will change the electorate. It will massively increase turnout among minorities and young people.
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
By Dusty May 28, 2008 1:10 PM We need CHANGE, I say, CHANGE for propensity, probation and prosperity for the poor people of persecution in Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, NYC,Timbuktu and I will give you the guiding hand, lottery tickets, free meds for CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE
We do need change!!! We need jobs for the American people, and a NATIONAL healthcare system! We also need to shore up the Social Security program, which is the most successful program EVER initiated. We also need THE DRAFT!!! Yes, some changes must be mandated! We need teachers who will STAND UP and TEACH during the year, instead of calling in sick their allotted number of sick days and having a substitute babysit! Don’t matter sweetie whether anyone listens. Just get off your BEHIND and stand up and teach! And TEACH THAT WHICH WILL BE TESTED at the end of the year! Is this so hard to understand! Guess so!!! Change is definitely needed! Change for jobs, healthcare, education, social security, elderly care….all those things that make a country strong. These factors, combined with the DRAFT, will make American beautiful AGAIN!!!!!
By Tom
May 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
I can only assume that your non-stop and bizarre attacks against a tireless lifelong public servant with a distinguished record of excellence is to cover for the lack of demonstrated competence of your media-generated messiah who has no resume.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
{{a tireless lifelong public servant with a distinguished record of excellence}}
Well, I know you’re not talking about McBush — what exactly would be his “distinguished record of excellence”???
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
{{{{By mm May 28, 2008 3:18 PM Duh at 2:47, That’s gotta be the most insane post of the year.}}}}
mmoron: You may not be aware of this but our presidential candidate spent 5 years getting stomped on by the North Vietnamese and he doesn’t seem to be suffering from PTSD, even though he has every right to, but maybe that is because he served in a time before the sh!t eating liberals figured out another way to harm the whole entire military by shepherding veterans into false PTSD claims.
Go ahead and tell me, dimwit, a pinko would never, ever want to harm the military, why, the very thought.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Tom,
“a tireless lifelong public servant with a distinguished record of excellence”
That’s an oxymoron.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
mm 3:03 So the conceptual differences between “private sector” and “government service” constitutes a “canned wingnut response?
I believe I’ve stated in the past I’d be happy with eliminating all Blackwater-type contractors. OR, restricting their duties to the same types of duties performed by government personnel they replaced.
Bottom line is, mm, against your desire to pay gov’t soldiers the same as contract soldiers is…
I don’t like mercenaries. Or anything that smells like one.
Wingnut enough for you?
Daniel 3:09
It’s always the soldiers who suffer from, and pay for, the decisions of the politicians.
And the citizens who put them there.
And (given our current Congress) the citizens who voted for the Congress that maade promises to stop things and then did nothing but offer excuses.
Sound real wingnut, don’t it?
Hi Bosch
I take it you’ve gathered I have a real problem with the Blackwater types. And scarier still, with the Blackwater types in the employ of foreign, repressive governments… who are headed by US retired high ranking military.
Actually, they don’t do the same job. They do not conduct classic wartime operations. But the personal security, escort, guard and other services they provide, in this environment, puts them in situations where they respond as if they were military.
Irony is, many of the jobs they get are because the US (State) said it’d be cheaper to have them do it than US military. To coin a phrase - I kid you not. They pay personnel a hundred fifty grand and some bonehead government employee says it aggregates as cheaper. Unbelievable.
By the way - it isn’t the ultra-right that’s been on the privatization bandwagon. It’s Federal law. And the Clinton years were one of the greatest for privatizing what had been done by the military.
The irony just never ends.
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Morningstar — I like your idea of reinstating the draft, insofar as it would eliminate all of the needless wars and occupations that the Repugs want to get us involved in. About 80% of America would not support having their sons and daughters used for “oil”, or “regime change”, or for the general propaganda purposes that the Repugs seem to love.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Good grief,
Liberals are STILL here sqawking about Bush Bush Bush and Iraq Iraq. Instead of supporting the country & the military, it is the same old song & dance. Tear it down ‘cause we hate Bush. They make like libs support vets by “porking up” the war funding bill a la Webb. Make the bill too heavy to pass and blame it on Bush. Ingrates!!
Bush is not running again. His staff has not been indicted. Congress is led by Democrats not Bush. The Iraq War is nearing completion. The troops have fought bravely. American liberals continue to behave terribly.
OBAMA, whom nobody knows what he would do in any situation (except run down McCain), is the shining star in a constellation millions of light years from experience.
Time to make your return to values, libs. McCain has them. Don’t even think about losing them. Far left libs need to value their country again. They have been out of step too long.
By Bosch
May 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Paul,
For what they get paid, THEY SHOULD be the ones doing the classic wartime operations while the regular military guys do the escorting, etc.
:-)
Gotta run for the day!
Later!
By mm
May 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
Duh,
Who the h*ll cares about McCain? I feel bad that he was a POW, but that’s not going to get him elected. He’s just another pearly white dinosaur you clowns have trotted out.
Yeah, I’m sure the vets are being arm twisted into making false claims of PTSD. Just like their false claims of shoddy construction in the green zone, broken down VA hospitals, broken down barracks, faulty body armor, etc.
I bet you still believe in Santa Claus.
By mm
May 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
It’s time to halt your fake patriotism. If you support the GOP you are no patriot.
By Morningstar
May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
By Goldie ay 28, 2008 2:53 PMthe Clintons are unable to get new recruits as excited about CHANGE as Obama, and he will be our winner in November! Morningstar — like you, I’m veeerrry concerned about November, too… I want WHOEVER WILL WIN, and right now
Goldie, hope you are right assuming Obama gets the nomination. And I believe he will. I’m really afraid for America. Goldie, whatever we may think at this point, African Americans , College students, and Harvard Graduates DO NOT elect the president. The Democrat party has (in the past) been able to connect to the average American, and it is not happening now! Anyhow, we’ll see. Have a great evening!
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
mm@4:03
Spoken like a true liberal. Stop being patriotic!! All patriotism is fake to you.
Sorry, mm, the libs have already pulled that one off. They stopped being patriotic a long time ago. Now, they will try to take it a step farther and elect Obama.
Don’t blame me for his anti-American wife, his anti-American pastor, his anti-American ‘underground’friends. They are Obama’s buddies, not mine, and not one of them is patriotic.
Do your song and dance, mm, just like Obama. But it is not America the Beautiful.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Hi again, ITN
Forget Webb’s background as a basis for accepting or rejecting the Bill. I was struck by how much “Back when I was in Vietnam” I heard.
The Webb Bill is not an anti-retention tool. But it could very well have a large negative retention impact on the type of person we’d want to retain. So this works against the stated goals of an all-volunteer force. That’s a major issue, to me. And in spite of Morningstar’s funniest post of the day at 12:45, I am strongly AGAINST a draft.
Forget the current troops college thing as a reason. ALL troops on duty have the option of getting additional college if they want it. I was addressing the idea the only way they can get paid-for college is to leave the service, which some seem to think. Not so.
I did not say only combat vets should get it. Sighhhhhhhhhh. I pointed out much of Sen Webb’s rationale when I listened to him was because of service in Iraq. I questioned why, out of a population where only a fraction served in Iraq he wanted to give EVERYONE who was on active duty the same reward.
Hi again, ITN 3:11
Forget Webb’s background as a basis for accepting or rejecting the Bill. I was struck by how much “Back when I was in Vietnam” I heard.
The Webb Bill is not an anti-retention tool. But it could very well have a large negative retention impact on the type of person we’d want to keep in the military. So this works against the stated goals of an all-volunteer force. !!That’s a major issue, to me!!. And in spite of Morningstar’s funniest post of the day at 12:45, I am strongly AGAINST a draft. And I can hear the calls now of “we can’t get people to stay in and we don’t have enough troops to fight everywhere we want so we need a draft…”
Forget the current troops college thing as a reason. ALL troops on duty have the option of getting additional college if they want it. I was addressing the idea the only way they can get paid-for college is to leave the service, which some seem to think. Not so.
I did not say only combat vets should get it. Sighhhhhhhhhh. I pointed out much of Sen Webb’s rationale when I listened to him was because of service in Iraq. I questioned why, out of a population where only a fraction served in Iraq he wanted to give EVERYONE who was on active duty the same reward. It was a question, not advocating a position.
<By Midori
May 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
not ALL patriotism is fake, Crusty.
unlike YOU.
Good grief!!
Crusty is STILL here sqawking about how great her brain dead idol, Bush is and how we are winning in Iraq!!!
da*n fool.
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Aah Scott McClellan! Who wudda thunk it!!
One of the early Texas no-talents brought into government by Bush. McClellan had no skill.
He was an old booze buddy, prized for his bovine fealty to the “Cod-Piece in Chief”.
Gee! I wonder why he decided to tell the truth?
By Goldie
May 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Dust For Brains @ 4:18 — Obama does not have to use your “patriotic” words which have no substance behind them! He shows his patriotism by stepping up to the plate for removing McBush and his Repug cronies from power in Washinton DC!
By Paul
May 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
ITN
So much for not repeating myself…
Goldie 3:29 PM
“The more people get to know Obama, the more likely it is that he will get their support.”
A while back we had a contest for campaign theme song. I wanna revise my earlier submission and offer this for Obama:
Link: Obama’s new campaign song
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
Goldie:
Dust-Bag has been sitting on her flag pin too long.
By @@
May 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
la la la la la
la la la la la
la la la la la
la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Good one Paul!
R…rr…rrr…retchhhhhhhhh!
By Sen Craig (REPUBLICAN)
May 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
I really like the new campaign song Paul.
I also read earlier that The Huffington Post released their top Republican slogans for the 2008 election. I was very disappointed that my suggestion was rejected.
You be the judge, here it is:
TapTapTap, Tappity, tap tap tap?
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
What is the republican plan for the future of our country?
By Paul
May 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
@@
Heard on the news last night - let me see if I get the sequence correct - doesn’t change the concept.
McCain was taking questions on Iraq. Noted he’s been lots and it’s been two years for Obama. McCain offered, or a reporter suggested - they take another trip. Together.
What better way than to have two candidates, with differing positions, at the same places, seeing and hearing the same things, at the same time -
Then hearing their assessment of what it means and what they’d do?
Now that, I think, would be most interesting.
Sen Craig
So many implications.
A secret code, known only to a few, but from the press conference, not to the one delivering it?
A tap dance? As in, when you don’t know what to say, do a tap dance?
Tap dancing? Or Morse Code? Both belonging to a much earlier decade, so much so few now know what they are?
Better times are ahead, as in Steve Martin with “Happy Feet”?
In spite of all that, Senator, I can see why your suggestion was… not accepted.
Don’t take it too hard (shush, all, that was not a double entendre). Retire. Relax.
And get some therapy. It’s never too late -
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
No plan? Huh?
By @@
May 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
(((Now that, I think, would be most interesting.)))
So do I Paul. But…
(((McCain suggested the two forget their political differences and see for themselves results on the ground. Obama’s campaign responded earlier this week by calling the suggestion, which was proposed over the weekend, “political posturing.”)))
Obama’s not gonna go to Iraq and return with anything positive to report. It would destroy his base…his entire political argument about it being a war that should have never been waged and blah blah blah, whatever the hell it is he repeats with each oratorical, rhetorical, r…rr…rrr…retchhhhhhhh.
Pardonnez-moi Paul.
So are we talkin’ to Iran or what? We’ve BEEN TALKIN’ TO IRAN!
(((May 28, 2008 1840 GMT Iran has been “positive” in its role as it prepares to hold bilateral talks May 29 with the United States in Stockholm, Sweden, Agence France-Presse reported May 28, citing Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt. The United States and Iran are expected to have large delegations for the talks, and Bildt said, “they are interested in talking to each other.”)))
By Daniel
May 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
Nada?
By Cal
May 28, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
Perhaps Patriot McCain will arrange another glorious shopping trip in downtown Bagdaddy for you little heroes.
By Paul
May 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
@@
Facts. And seeing things first hand. Pesky. So pesky.
As far as talking and all the success it brings - that’s why the IAEA was so happy this weekend, right?
Cal 5:35
You’re not suggesting that’s what it’d take to get Obama to go to Iraq, are you? A shopping trip?
:-)
But hey, if it works…
By Federal Government Fairy GodMother
May 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
Comrade Daniel-
If you promise to stop whining, we will send a horse drawn carriage over to your crib that you can use to effortlessly carry your as-s through life.
Be advised, as with all government benefits, the carriage will turn into a pumpkin at midnite, just when all the sh!t starts happening and you need it the most.
But we are sure, considering a damn sorry you are, that you’ll be pleased with the pumpkin, geez.
Loser.
By ed lorenzo
May 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
OVERHEARD BUSH- MC CAIN CONVERSATION There are similarities and differences between them. They both interpret facts in their own ways and they both share past histories of very modest relevance, with few notable events worth mentioning. “Did you really mean that if you are elected president the US would remain in Iraq for 100 years?” “Finding those weapons of mass destruction that you said were in Iraq is going to take at least 70 years, I figure’ “Hell, John, how old will you be by then?” “If you are worrying about my retirement package, relax Mister President. I have a few nest eggs here and there, you know” The President nodded and said: “Who would you select as Vice President?” “How about Joe Lieberman?”’ “Naw. He’s too old. You need a young cowboy. How about my brother Jeb?” “Not a bad idea. Does he know where the weapons of mass destruction are?’
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
Obama hasn’t hit a homerun yet and he never will with his experience. McCain the WINNER
Daniel,
I’d send you a flag pin but I don’t want to burst your hot air balloon.
The Republican plan for the future of the country is to send liberals to rehab. They are already shaky and the election will send them over the edge.
Paul,
I missed the campaign for Obama’s theme song. Yours was good. I’ve thought of some words but no music. Maybe America the Beautiful….
America the beautiful, here’s what’s due you,
Food stamps, socialism, and a clue for you,
Taxes sky high and terorists coming for you,
The economy is busted but that’s just a boo boo,
Ahmajinabad thinks I’m cool, Chavez says I’m the tool,
I’m a diplomatic fool amd Jimbo Carter says that’s the rule.
But let us party and celebrate, Osama’s coming but he’s a little late.
We’ll conquer the world, my flag I unfurl. It’s white as snow ‘cause we fight no mo’.
America the liberal, here’s what’s due you,
A change on the range and Obama to __you. (Choose your own word in the blank.)
By Paul
May 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
Dusty
Good to see you still have a sense of humor!
I worked for a guy, once, before everything went PC. He’d walk around with a coffee mug. On it was written “Don’t Let the B@stards Get You Down”
Words to live by -
By @@
May 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
(((But he has been an important part of the Obama campaign in Puerto Rico, which holds its Democratic primary Sunday. Obama wrote to Puerto Rico’s State Elections Commission in March to designate Pavía and Andres Lopez as “our local representatives” to the commission. In May, Pavía and Lopez signed a posting on Obama’s campaign Web site that identified them as co-directors of the Puerto Rico effort and solicited volunteers.
Pavía has been a registered lobbyist for various arms of the Puerto Rican government since 2001, according to disclosure reports filed with the U.S. Senate. His firm’s total compensation for lobbying for the commonwealth over that period was more than $3 million.
For the first three months of this year alone, Winston & Strawn was paid $110,000 by the Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration, which is the government’s primary lobbying entity in Washington. Pavía is listed as the firm’s primary contact.
Pavía did not respond to repeated requests for comment.)))
“It sounds like a conflict with Obama’s policy,” said Melanie Sloan of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “They need to provide an explanation.”
Not if you listen to Obama’s campaign staff, it doesn’t.
(((Burton said that Pavía’s role with the campaign was permissible but that the rules were not airtight. “This is not a perfect solution to the influence of special interests in Washington,” he said. “But it is a symbol of the effort that Senator Obama is going to make to decrease the influence that the special interests do have.”)))
What the hell did he say? Learned at the feet of a master, he did - the ever elusive Barack Obama.
You’re either with ‘em or against ‘em Obama, lobbyists that is!
We know how you feel about our enemies….girlishly giddy about impending dates.
What’s it gonna be on the lobbyists?
Too difficult to manage are they?
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
Aaahahahahahaha, oh my, ahahahah:
{{{{Today Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) called for former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath regarding the devastating revelations made in his new book on the Bush Administration’s deliberate efforts to mislead the American people into the Iraq War.}}}}
It absolutely does not get any better than this. It has to be something Rove thought up.
Check it out; the libs talked McClellan into crossing over to the dim side, probably told him he’d get his own hour on Sunday Morning PMSNBC, but this goon Wexler, in his raving mindless hysteria to get Bushie, just couldn’t let the book walk on it’s own, he went and flat out knee capped McClellan, bwahahaha.
In front of the entire Congress, the whole world and every dimwit liberal with a TV set, we get to see McClellan gasp for the cameras: “Did I say that?”
Bwahahahahahahaha.
Can you say perjury, Scott?
By Scott McClellan
May 28, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
My book was supposed to be sold as a fiction, honestly!!
By RW-(the original)
May 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
For years and years the barking moonbat(ic)s® on this blog called Scott McClellan every form of liar possible. Have you loons ever considered you might have been right? HAHAHA
little newsie namejacker,
Your obsession control seems to be in relapse. Perhaps it’s time for another “vacation.”
By Devastator
May 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
RW,
You are correct.He was lying. His book is exposing the lies he and the administration were telling.
I appreciate him finally telling us what we already knew.
By Midori
May 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this
she may have a good sense of humor, but has completely NO common sense.
By RW-(the original)
May 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
dhimmistator,
I guess we’ll find out at the Waxler show trial. I think Scottie has lost his chance of getting a pardon for his coming perjury conviction though.
@@,
Obambi’s real lobbyist problem is David Axelrod and he runs the whole campaign.
By AJC/DNC Management
May 28, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
Hey, maybe McClellan can get up there before Wexler’s show trial and tell everybody that he meant to say “Buchenwald.”
That seems to work pretty well with the Dhimmi Nation.
By RW-(the original)
May 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
The newest liberal darling was against tell all books, before he was for them
Don’t you just know that the red meat has been dangled before the dhimmiwits to get them crawling all over each other to buy a copy and once some context is added by the non red meat they’ll slink away to stare at the next shiny object.