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That’s all, folks

By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, May 8, 2008, 07:43 AM

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By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Ahh, yes, Bruno’s corpse lurches aimlessly about:

{{{{Clinton will support a proposal to get the party’s rules and bylaws committee on May 31 to recommend that the delegations be seated regardless of the rules.-Urinal}}}}

And thee innocent villagers are terrorized by thee shambling monster:

{{{{Less than half of Mrs. Clinton’s backers in Indiana and North Carolina say they would support Mr. Obama if he were the nominee.}}}}

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{{{{Regardless of marital status, income or church attendance, right-wing individuals reported greater life satisfaction and well-being than left-wingers, the new study found.}}}}

{{{{Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person’s tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities. To justify economic inequalities, a person could support the idea of meritocracy, in which people supposedly move up their economic status in society based on hard work and good performance. In that way, one’s social class attainment, whether upper, middle or lower, would be perceived as totally fair and justified.}}}}

In other words, we live in reality.

Bwa.

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My rule of thumb for gauging how bad the United States is beating the terrorists in Iraq is by seeing how loud the Urinal whines about it all:

{{{{Entire sections of Baghdad’s embattled Sadr City district have been left nearly abandoned by civilians fleeing a U.S.-led showdown with Shiite militias and seeking aid after facing shortages of food and medicine, humanitarian groups said Wednesday.-Urinal}}}}

We must really be kicking the terrorist’s as-s.

Does anyone else not remember, not too long ago, when the pinko media was taunting us with the “lawlessness” in Baghdad and Basra? What did they think that would lead to?

And now that we are cracking down like they must have wanted us to, why is this an “atrocity” now?

By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

{{{{My analysis of individual state polls shows that today Mr. McCain would win 241 Electoral College votes to Mr. Obama’s 217, with 80 votes in toss-up states where neither candidate has more than a 3% lead. Ironically, Mrs. Clinton now leads Mr. McCain with 251 electoral votes to his 203 with 84 in toss-up states. This is the first time she’s led Mr. McCain since I began tracking state-by-state results in early March.-Rove Monster}}}}

Bwa.

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{{{{Fulton County officials praised county water users Wednesday for their success at conservation —- then socked them with a 15 percent rate increase for their effort.-Urinal}}}}

The Bureaucracy is treating less water so they need more money from We The People, of course.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Our Next President

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Bolton on whether Bush might bomb Iran before he leaves office: ‘I think so, definitely.’

UNLESS OF COURSE THEY SAVE IT FOR THE THIRD TERM

By N-GA

May 8, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Well I do declare. Andy (the Lying Bedwetter) sniped me last night. I shouldn’t be surprised. Once again his jealousy emerges. He thinks “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods” just doesn’t apply to him. Just another Christian in his own mind.

I notice he took a shot at someone else. Was it Daniel? In any event, he tried to shed the sobriquet that so defines him - the Bedwetter - by referring to someone else as the Bedwetter. Now how can he ever hope to distance himself from the descriptive bedwetter when it fits him so well? I think we’ll just let him keep it.

Was it yesterday? No the day before, I believe, when he made the observation that homosexuality is a sin. Well, who made him God for a day? Before you know it he’ll start quoting the Christian history book to support his case. But then if you ask him the question: “Bedwetter, what is sin?”, he will define it in Judeo-Christian terms. Philosophy is just a word to him.

Perhaps he should study “tolerance”, then try to practice it.

By @@

May 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Aahhh yes ml…the Political Porker signing off.

(((McCain, who has refused to request spending for projects in his home state of Arizona, has ——>long been a vocal critic<—— of earmarks.)))

(((Clinton and Obama announced this week they favor the ban, despite their own use of earmarks.)))

(((McCain said the ——>Democratic presidential candidates are late to the anti-earmarks position,<—— saying both have requested earmarks using taxpayer dollars “that are absolutely outrageously wasted.”)))

Agreed! Let’s take a look…we know McCain’s requests were ZERO, but

Obama’s total requested earmark funding was about $330 million.

Clinton grabbed $342 million worth of earmarks last year, ranking her 10th highest on the list of senators, according to the budget watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense.

WOW, “the newly minted” Obama really hit the ground running on earmarks. Some kinda CHANGE, eh?

I’ve often wondered how McCain continues to get elected when he doesn’t deliver the pork to Arizona. Must be something about his character…something about his straight talk approach.

“Charming” just doesn’t cut it for me.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

ITN 8:11

Since repetition is good, how about a repeat question to which no answer was provided:

Is there anything Obama needs to know more about?

Hey, your sites are all into supporting the troops, right? So they’re gonna advocate for them, right?

Link: Soldiers oppose porn ban

N-GA

Just an observation - I’ve never seen anyone making the “homosexuality is sin” case address this: are you speaking of self, of a characteristic (such as gender or hair color) or of behavior? What of the person who declares himself or herself homosexual but who leads a chaste life?

Always thought it might make a good sermon, too - (okay, got my joke for the day out of the way - wait, today’s a twofer - the soldier porn case was first).

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

The Clintons make such a charming couple.

By N-GA

May 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Perhaps you should pose the question about homosexuality to Andy. He is the one who posted that it is a sin.

Makes one pause for a moment and wonder about a gay Catholic priest (chaste, or otherwise) preaching a sermon about Onan. Or is the priest even gay if he just has feelings, but never acted on them? Maybe Onan had the solution?

Then again, I wonder if the men of ancient Greece (pick any city-state of the era) thought of themselves as homosexual, bisexual, or in the ovine sense, omnisexual.

That’s enough humor from me for the day.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:36

“Since repetition is good, how about a repeat question to which no answer was provided:

Is there anything Obama needs to know more about?”

WHAT A SILLY QUESTION!

Do YOU know anybody who knows too much?

Do you advocate a learning moratorium for adults?

Are you trying and failing to be politically provacative?

And then this:

“Hey, your sites are all into supporting the troops, right? So they’re gonna advocate for them, right?

Link: Soldiers oppose porn ban”

Maybe Senator Obama, and all the liberals, progressives, moderates and Obamicans will address porn in the military after they address the BIGGER ISSUES OF THE DAY!

Let’s see…..the economy vs. boob mags….which do you think should be tackled first?

Priorities dude.

Distractions are old school.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

McCain’s Base Problem

By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

{{{{By N-GA May 8, 2008 8:27 AM He thinks “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods” just doesn’t apply to him.}}}}

Check this out, dimwit, I simply called attention to the fact that you were whining about another poster’s money, even though you parade yourself around here as a “retired” “millionaire.”

Are you now trying to say I’m a “liar” for what I speak of?

You wanna bet a million that I’m right?

Bwahahahaha, wanker.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

ITN

“Distractions are old school”

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

The question about Obama is a natural follow-on. McCain admitted that learning is a lifelong endeavor - that there is always more to know. For that, Dems attack him.

So it follows, as they don’t attack Obama, they think he “knows it all.” Or apply different standards to him than to McCain.

Just saying, be careful in what you launch against McCain as it can easily be turned back against Obama.

Same with the “I expect McCain to tell that independent group to not just tell them to not run that ad, but to compel them.”

Regarding the porn thing, just wondered how gutsy your sites were in taking up a hot-button issue that couldn’t be spun to anti-Bush or anti-McCain.

I see it as a free speech issue and treating adults as adults. I know, that can be difficult for sites that regularly refer to soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors as “kids.”

By The Devil You Say

May 8, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

ITN - Just keep dreaming. McCain has about as much of a base problem as Barak Obama. He will overwhelmingly carry his base. In fact, Barak Obama will have some problem with his base because of the problems he has with working-class voters. It is not race. It is elitism. McCain will either barely win or barely lose. This election is looking too much like 1976 - economics and all. You Dems better hope you do lose. It will be Jimmy Carter II if you win.

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

{{McCain admitted that learning is a lifelong endeavor - that there is always more to know. For that, Dems attack him.}}

Paul— too bad that after 8 years of Dubya, McBush still doesn’t know what a disaster his Party has brought on America today! One would think that after 8 years of failed policies, McBush would have “learned” by now… but he still thinks that America has had it good since 2000.

McBush’s learning curve is obviously too big of an arc for America to tolerate.

By N-GA

May 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Hey Bedwetter,

You (& RW) are the only ones who keep bringing up my economic status. So you must yearn for it, crave it, covet it. You are the one who “parades” the subject around this blog. Envy is a horrible thing for you. It is consuming you, and I hope that its appetite is insatiable.

lmao at you, hypocrite. You will definitely be “left behind”.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Oh, I think he knows (but can’t be too critical to alienate some of the base) - he’s been on the opposite side of the administration quite often. And frankly, that history makes some of his current positions (full adoption of the tax cuts, not targeted as Obama and Hillary propose) all the more problematic.

Nice follow-on with “learning curve” LOL!

Funtime’s over - out for a bit - ltr

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Did everyone hear about John McCain’s superstitions?

BASICALLY, IT”S UNLUCKY TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.

RW SAYS HE WON’T!!!

By ba be ba be ba be ba be that's all folks

May 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Great toon.

The “loony toons” otherwise known as the democrat party.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

It is elitismsays the Devil.

By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

{{{{By N-GA May 8, 2008 9:10 AM You (& RW) are the only ones who keep bringing up my economic status. So you must yearn for it, crave it, covet it.}}}}

Wanker: So how do you reckon me and RW found out about your “economic status?”

A good guess, maybe?

Hey Paul: Does this wanker not have a taste for fine wine and spend an abnormal amount of time preening to this blog about it?

What of the constant travel around the world that the wanker goes to the most boorish of lengths to brag about?

And, by the way, stroker, I could care less about what other people make, after all, I am not some cry baby liberal whining and moaning about the “unfairness” of it all, like you pinkos do.

Besides which, you are the one that started it:

{{{{By N-GA May 7, 2008 6:33 PM Daniel, Don’t argue with her. She gives women a bad name. The evidence: “…my husband’s salary has nearly tripled…”.}}}}

Dimwit.

By RW-(the original)

May 8, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Goat boy,

When have I brought up your supposed economic status? You’re the one talking about my elitism so I’m guessing you’re the one craving my lifestyle. Loser!

By Paul

May 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Well, the other material’s not ready yet, so back for a few -

ITN 9:16

The military sets the standards for what criteria soldiers need to meet to be considered deployable. Haven’t had a dental exam in the previous year? Nondeployable. Haven’t completed some briefings - sitting in a classroom learning about how to behave? Nondeployable.

Everything’s not a crisis.

Goldie - ITN

There are some clear differences between McCain and Obama that, I think, mean far more to many people that a reliance on personality - which really strikes me as a modification of the religious right’s values and standards test.

Take health care. McCain proposes a $2500 tax credit for people to get insurance. Half of households don’t pay income tax - so a credit? Appears out of touch. Doesn’t do anything about being deemed uninsurable.

Or foreign policy. Forget the 100 years line. In spite of DNC Chair Dean’s protests, it comes across as quibbling and misrepresentation. Obama’s cochair is a retired AF 4-star who’s spoken (and written) extensively about the realities of a superpower’s overseas commitments. So let Obama come forward with a new basing idea, or a revision to “the way it’s been done since WWII.” Would make lessen the effectiveness of the lack of experience charge.

I’m just amazed that so many sites that bemoan the lack of substance continue to generate so many links that are so… unsubstantive.

BTW - McCain’s on O’Reilly tonight. Be good to tune in and compare to Hillary’s interview and see what’s in store for Obama.

By ba be ba be ba be ba be that's all folks

May 8, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

“”By N-GA

May 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

I talk with my barber. It helps to keep in touch with the real Americans”“

I’M NOT AN ELITIST, REALLY!!!

By RW-(the original)

May 8, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

little newsie namejacker and your little dog blowhard too,

Are you implying in your 9:11 post that I’m really going to vote for McCain despite my saying I won’t or are you attesting to my honesty? It gets quite confusing with loons like you, but here’s a reprint of my challenge to you both from yesterday.

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From yesterday:

So Tweedle DEEluded (ITN) calls me a liar a few more times today to go with the countless other times and Tweedle DUMBa$$ (Blowhard) comes along and adds congenital to the description. Neither of these two light weights has yet pointed out one single lie I’ve ever told here.

OK, kidz, let’s put your money where your keyboards are. This should be a dead lock cinch for you since you make the claim so often. Here’s the deal. Even though it shouldn’t take you more than five minutes, if you’re accurate, I’ll give you a week to search the archives. You set the amount of the bet, but I caution you to make it easy on yourselves because you’ll eventually find out there isn’t an example to be found.

Tell me the amount you want to lose and then…… Good hunting!

By The Devil You Say

May 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Goldie - it is too bad that the Democrats do not know what kind of damage their poddy has done and will continue to do if you are given the chance. This is the party of Andrew Jackson, the man who ordered the greatest American genocide. He founded the real Democrat party. (Jefferson’s party died out and was never called Democratic-Republican anyway. It was called Republican). Hillary and Barak even made speeches at the Jefferson/Jackson Day Dinner a few days ago in Indiana. Jackson also institutionalized the spoils system and this was the party of the Dred Scott decision.

This is the party of Tammany Hall and the Chicago political machine. Read ‘The Jungle’ and ‘Gangs of New York’.

This is the party of Woodrow Wilson who officially segregated Washington, DC. This is the party of such race baiters as J. William Fullbright, to whom William Jefferson Blythe Clinton gave a Presidential Medal of Freedom and Robert Byrd, who like Fullbright signed the Southern Manifesto and who was also a memeber of KKK.

This is the party of Lyndon Johnson. Need I say more about that kind of corruption?

I won’t go into the corruption of the Turman Administration, but it was rampant.

The Palmer Raids took place during the Wilson Administration. FDR was responsible for the imprisonment of thousands of innocent Japanese-American citizens. I always thought we were fighting the Nazis and the Japanese for precisely that kind of thing.

Johnson’s Great (haha) Society gave us perpetual welfare and a plethora of useless social programs which have never improved anything and the poverty rate is still where it was and illegitimacy has sky-rocketed.

Jimmy Carter was a disaster, period. He still is. We today are still suffering from his bad energy policies and the fact that the DemONcrats have blocked every effort to drill for oil in this country. President Bush and other Republicans foolishly went along with the farm lobby and the DEMONcrats to further complicate the situation and start diverting food production to ‘fuel’ production. Biofuels are NOT green and they are expensive to produce and their very production causes inflation in food prices - and the poor and middle class. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Edwards, Al Gore and the Clintons never know the difference.

By Georgia74

May 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Why don’t both you pansies, that’s with an ie, quit whining, your both jerks.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 9:16

You sound like old man Potter on the draft board.

Pretty cold dude.

Do you really think that’s 43,000 toothaches?

Why do you hate our troops?

By Paul

May 8, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

AJC Management 9:23

Generally, only when I’ve asked.

BTW - thought today’s toon was clever. Evidently, Bill has a temper! Yesterday’s was good, too. Those suitcases were full of Large Bills!

9:44

Keeping in touch with one group does not mean one is not a member of that group.

It can also be read as a counter to what the “elite” media tells us the “real” America is -

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

{{So let Obama come forward with a new basing idea, or a revision to “the way it’s been done since WWII.”}}

Paul, maybe there’s no reason to have a new basing idea because we never should’ve invaded Iraq in the first place? Who exactly invited us into that country to begin with? Chalabi & Co.?

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

The Devil @ 9:47 — your ongoing history lessons of the 19th Century are boring and irrelevant to today. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

Care to discuss where America has gone since the beginning of THIS CENTURY and what your Party is all about now???

By Daniel

May 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

In my experience, without fail, anyone who talks about how much wealth they have; doesn’t have much.

When Andy decompensates he becomes feminine

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

RW

You remain a liar….wait shouldn’t I say Andi…..

Anyway….

I have seen you post repeatedly that you won’t vote for McCain.

‘Course so sayeth Limbaugh and Coluter….

Can’t dispute that.

But you lie everyday, all day here, as long as you continue pretending to be more than you are.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

ITN 9:43

I thought Harry was a young guy? With a broom, not a board?

What’s cold is making the accusation that the military sends tens of thousands of troops who aren’t fit into combat. What’s cold is accusing senior military officers of hating our troops by doing so.

Reality is providing a couple of examples of the plethora of criteria the military uses and illustrating that when the real world intrudes on the theoretical, some of the criteria dreamed up by the headquarters beancounters may not be all that “critical.”

C’mon, second time you’ve defaulted to the “why do you hate the troops” line. Don’t you remember our previous conversation and what such a nonsensical comment leaves you open to?

Goldie

I meant worldwide basing. The reason we maintain military forces - as opposed to, say, civilian aid forces. Or integrating Obama’s “service” theme. As noted the other day, we have military in 135 countries. Some are in small numbers, but still, 135. Out of less than 200 countries?

Just proposing it as a way to set up clear differences with McCain, proposing new ideas rather than continuing old practices in a changing world, and mitigating the “experience” charge.

By The Devil You Say

May 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Well that settles it. The dummest man in America, Jimmy Carter, has decided that the Michigan and Florida delegations should not be seated. I really think that a man with such a stellar electoral record and such a sterling record as President should be a man to whom a major political party looks for advice!

I’m telling you younger folks, this thing is looking more and more like 1976 - Carter was vague and had ZERO foreign policy experience too. His time in the US Navy was spent on manouevres, so he could not even brag of battle experience. He did graduate from the Naval Academy, but Grant graduated from West Point, and Gore graduated from Yale. (He flunked out of Harvard Divinity School and Vanderbilt Law School). This is also the man who said when running for Governor of Georgia that - there is not a dimes worth of difference between me and Lester Maddox. What a joke.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Is that John McCain on the TV screen in the cartoon? Kind of looks like him.

Saw McCain last night on John Stewart. Whew! If that’s the best of the Republican party, and I even like John McCain. He’s just not president material anymore. He needs to be playing shuffleboard with Cindy sipping Mojitas - enjoying the good life. He deserves it.

He’ll get eaten alive during the general election.

Paul,

I just read over some of the comments from last night - had to work - but were you mocking me with the “gem” comment? I can never tell with you.

By The Devil You Say

May 8, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Goldie - please name ONE accomplishment of the DEMONcrat poddy during the last 47 years!

By candide

May 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Clinton can only beat Obama by using the race card and that will alienate the black vote. She cannot be elected president. It remains doubtful whether Obama, after the GOP gets through with him, can be elected president. The Demcoratic leaders must be wondering why they let this happen in a year when Republicans are like lepers. They should have found a candidate like Biden or Dodd who could win a long time ago. Republicsns have long been called the Stupid Party. Well, the Democrats are the Suicidal Party.

By Concerned Florida Democrat

May 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

As a follow up to my post yesterday, I ask all of my fellow democrats to help the people of Florida and Michigan to ensure that our votes count. It is very important to the democrat party that all voters are allowed to participate in the nominating process for the party’s presidential candidate. Let us not slip back to the days of the poll tax, counting blacks as only 2/3rds of a person and women’s suffrage.

We cannot allow this outrage to stain the legitimacy of the party electoral process, let all the votes be counted!

Please contact your Congressman and tell them to back Mrs. Clinton’s efforts to give equal and just say to all of the voters, as it should be.

Thank you very much.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

George Soros is being interviewed for an hour on the Diane Rehm Show on NPR right now.

You can also listen online or catch it in the afternoon on satellite radio.

Bosch

No mocking. I thought the line a classic. Good job.

Was yelling at you last night to watch Leno. Pres Carter was on. Most interesting - said the Bush Administration did not tell him to not go. Did not even insinuate it. Leno said “really? I thought from the cable shows the administration asked you not to.” Pres Carter said the Bush Administration was silent - did tell him he was at risk in Gaza so Hamas reps went to Cairo.

By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Daniel May 8, 2008 9:57 AM In my experience, without fail, anyone who talks about how much wealth they have; doesn’t have much.}}}}

I tend to agree.

{{{{When Andy decompensates he becomes feminine.}}}}

Yeah, O.K.

It’s like I’m the one who signs off every post with “Ta Ta.”

These libs are a trip.

By RW-(the original)

May 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

{{{{{But you lie everyday, all day here, as long as you continue pretending to be more than you are.}}}}}

little newsie namejacker,

It would seem that you would like to take my bet then. You probably don’t even need the whole week to search the archives. Go ahead and weasel out though, in all caps if you must, but I’m going to work now. I’ll look forward to your evidence and large wager around happy hour.

Bye coward!

By reebok

May 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

So let’s see…McCain doesn’t understand economic policy, doesn’t know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis, says we should stay in Iraq for 100 years, jokes about bombing Iran, and is about 90 years old. Yeah, he’s perfect, an older George W Bush. Just what we need.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Carter said that in a statement on the Carter Center’s website. Pretty critical of Rice, you know, in his sweet south Georgia way.

Did you read Carter’s opinion piece in today’s paper?

Innocents caught in the cross-fire

Brilliance oozes out of his pores. He is more in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ than any human I know.

By Midori

May 8, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Devil,

just curious: what are you, about 12 years old?

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Paul

way wrong Potter……

try again

No Paul, I do not agree with you.

Cold is not placing resonsibility were it belongs.

43000 not medically ready by military standards.

(That’s the reality dude)

Or is military standards just another oxymoron?

Asking you why you hate our troops opens me up to nothing more than all fine anti-war American patriots have been dealing with since the start of the occupation for oil….

BIG FLIPPIN’ DEAL!

Been there done that.

I still am not afraid.

By Dusty

May 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

What a nice morning…

Luckovich invades Porky Pig’s copyright for politics.

IN THE NEWS gets canned herself..

NGA bellows RELIGIOUSLY!!

General Goldie presents her anti-war failure strategy.

Ah…and two honest men…RW and Paul.(Diogenes would be happy!) And AJCManagement is also straight arrow!! All of them believable.

I’d love to stick around for the fun but must leave now. Cheers!!

By The Devil You Say

May 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Bosch - please give me a break. Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic fool and he is about as good a Christian as Vladimir Putin. His record as president on almost every issue was abysmal. He needs to go home and STUT UP.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

reebok@10:20,

Good post.

McCain is wicked old. I have experience in dealing with wicked old senile people - on a daily basis, we don’t want a wicked old President. They’re nuts.

By Daniel

May 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bosch:

Thanks for the post.

Christianity? Hmm, let’s see: “Do unto others…Love thy neighbor as thyself…Love thy enemies… Turn the other cheek”

I’m ready. When does it start?

By N-GA

May 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Where does one begin. Perhaps it’s best to start at that point when a blogger new to this blog, and a self-described Democrat attacks Obama (I think she referred to him as a bomb-throwing terrorist - sorry if I get that wrong), and is challenged by another blogger who observes that Obama would certainly be better than what we have now…she then responds about how much more money her husband (not her) is earning, her 2 luxury cars and big house…and this is how she measures the success (or failure) of this administration, it kinda makes you wonder about a lot of things. Is she a DINO? Or is she simply another racial bigot looking for an excuse not to vote for Obama? And does her family’s apparent economic success typify the rest of America? And is that the primary (or sole) criterion that she uses to evaluate this administration? Then again, what if three years ago her husband was under-employed or in school? Then tripling his earnings really wouldn’t mean much.

All that to say that she doesn’t paint herself in a flattering light.

BTW, Bedwetter. A couple of years ago when I first started blgging here, I mentioned my economic situation solely to put a perspective on a position I was taking concerning health insurance. Ever since then you have never missed an opportunity to use spin that fact using terms like “boast”, “brag”, and “parade”. That simply makes you a disingenuous liar…kinda like Rush Limbaugh. I know, you’re flattered.

Remember Bedwetter, you are getting Left Behind!

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

RW

You are tooo funny!

I don’t bet with cheaters and liars.

As for your post as

CONCERNED FLORIDA DEMOCRAT

Where was all your concern when the REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURE SCREWED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE!

What a charlatan!

What a fraud!

By goodbye hillary

May 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

hello obama!

Obama voted in favor Of the Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget. Adoption of the concurrent resolution that would set broad spending and revenue targets over the next five years. The resolution would allow up to $1 trillion in discretionary spending for 2009.

The Democrats’ budget Would raise taxes on individuals earning as little As $31,850. “Under both Democratic plans, tax rates would increase by 3 percentage points for each of the 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent brackets. At present, the 25 percent bracket begins at $31,850 for individuals and $63,700 for married couples. The 35 percent bracket on incomes over $349,700 would jump to 39.6 percent.

bring it to the general dude. can’t wait to expose your “generous” attempt to screw the lower middle class.

we’ll devour you before you can feast at our table.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

NEW RW/ANDI SURROGATE @ 10:34

Did I hear a “POP” as you pulled those numbers from your rectum or do you have a source?

NOTHING CANNED PLEASE…..IT GETS DUSTY’S STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE SPANKY PANTS IN A WAD!

By Paul

May 8, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

ITN 10:29

“Cold is not placing resonsibility were it belongs. 43000 not medically ready by military standards. (That’s the reality dude)”

So why not ask the miltary commanders, majors up to generals, the Centcom commander, Gen Petraeus, why they hate their own troops? After all, they are the ones who make the “go, no-go” decision. They have the authority to waive criteria or apply them. Serious question, ITN. They are the ones with the responsibility. So they are the ones you, and your sites, need to ask that question to.

The real issue is, the sites take a not-to-big deal, or one with a simple explanation (not that there’s only one explanation) and use it as another “hate the troops” launch point.

I can’t believe you used the “occupation for oil” line… the cliches just keep on coming.

N-GA 10:32

That post from last night was real? I thought it was one of several by the same person with multiple identities (personalities?) carrying on with herself.

By Daniel

May 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

N-GA:

Marge K has a definite Andy “feel” to its content. PArticularly, the “Now, you made me vote for McCain” Remember back to the last election cycle? Webb beat Allen in Virginia. Andy was in so much pain he decompensated with posts under a female name.

ITN is also right. CFD is also phony. It is part of the Limbaugh chaos plan.

When you borrow from Peter to pay Paul, you get Paul's vote.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

I read over her comments from last night, and I feel your assessment is pretty much on target.

It’s always been odd to me that as a primary defense mechanism, people feel the need to talk about how much money they have - in their minds having money equates to success, and that somehow legitimizes or makes their positions stronger. Very odd.

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

{{I meant worldwide basing.}}

Paul— you also posted something like “forget about the 100 years” McBush statement. Not hardly. I believe McBush was speaking specifically about our occupation of Iraq when he used the “100 years” terminology. What do YOU think America should do about basing in Iraq, when we never should’ve invaded them to begin with?

By Paul

May 8, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Daniel 10:47

I can be bought. But I ain’t cheap.

Who’s Peter?

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

You borrow-n-spend Repugs obviously have a lot to learn about America… bring it to the General in November and see where you end up!

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Paul….

If the cliche fits…..

By AmVet

May 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

ITN, looks like you really riled up the {{{congenital liar}}} early this AM.

The question I have for you my friend is, who on this planet would care if the troll doesn’t vote? Ever again.

It is America’s gain.

Devil,

I am not one to pick on typos and I generally ignore the enormous amount of horrific grammar and spelling tht is found here, but I think this is both illustrative and relevant.

The word is spelled d-u-m-b-e-s-t, not dummest. This is the second time you’ve b******* it.

I suspect President Carter, who has written many books, would use the correct spelling.

However, George W. Bush? He might or might not…

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

{{He needs to go home and STUT UP.}}

I believe maybe The Devil should take his own advice for once, and STUT UP… how embarassing for your few friends to have read your vomit here everyday.

By DUBYA

May 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Republiscums cheat by voting in a Democratic primary. Further proof that there exist millions of “conservatives” who still find a ROPE to be an acceptable form of Voter ID. God bless Murcuh!!

By Daniel

May 8, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Paul:

No, it has nothing to do with you. No offense intended. In the metaphor: "Peter" is Asia. "Paul" are those who benefit from the huge debt. Corporations that profit from the war, handouts to the Fundamentalists, and tax breaks for the rich. In short, the debt of the government today is greater than all prior debt combined! The size of government is way out of control. Why is "borrow and spend " any different from "tax and spend"?

By N-GA

May 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Sometimes I can’t tell if the bloggers posting here are real (or surreal).

I’ll even include myself in that.

BTW, I’m reading “John Adams”. McCullough certainly has a talent for making a biography interesting.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Goldie 10:51

I meant the Dem commercials stating, or implying, McCain says 100 years of war is okay with him. That’s the kind of misrepresentation Obama’s campaigning against.

He did say a long-term occupation, as we do in Europe and Japan, is okay with him.

Gen McPeak - Obama’s cochair, has written on the realities of this.

So refining it to “continuing the policies of the past 60 years” (which is accurate) could be an effective campaign point for Obama.

I’ve said in the past - this country should be on a crash course to change current consumption practices; generate more energy (traditional and alternate) from within our own country; do what we need to do to reduce our reliance on petroleum to a point where we can meet our requirements without reliance on Middle Eastern sources.

That eliminates one strategic interest leading to basing. The other’s jihadists - and while we may need forces stationed in the region to deal with that, I think the way we do that can be greatly changed from the traditional way we’ve done things.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

You’d think that if someone were going to call one of the greatest living Americans of all time a dummy, he’d at least spell it right.

LOL!

BTW,

Last night, my “stupid” war comment. Remember, I was talking to Dusty, and with her, you know, it’s best to keep it short and simple.

By Daniel

May 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

N-GA: I loved that book! After your done with it; pick up “Team of Rivals”. It is Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book about Abe Lincoln’s government. Both are about our greatness as a nation.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Daniel

Mine was a poor attempt at humor. But I like the way you expanded the example.

N-GA

That book’s on my to-read list. I don’t get HBO but the adaptation looked wonderful. Let me know how you like it.

By AJC Management

May 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

I have decided that since I have run out of anything original or thought provoking to say, this will be my final post. It has been a fun ride…GOODBYE ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ralph

May 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

How pitiful is the DEVIL? he’s an older guy, which is fine. He should possess added experience and wisdom. Instead, he is filled to the brim with a lifetime dogma of hatred which he has carried from childhood, having learned it from parents, the pulpit, etc. He already speaks of voting Repug in 2012. Sure signs of intellectual curiosity and independent thinking and analysis. So utterly Repug. A closed, poisoned mind is a healthy mind to such troglodytic cretins. Good, true Merkins.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 11:05

Says…..

“I meant the Dem commercials stating, or implying, McCain says 100 years of war is okay with him. That’s the kind of misrepresentation Obama’s campaigning against”“”

Here’s that ad

The ad has the REAL question asked of the candidate and the REAL answer.

Is the GOP saying that using the candidates REAL answer is misrepresentation?

Geez…..So every thing McCain says he has already misrepresented?

Now that’s Bushesque.

By AmVet

May 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Carter ranks anywhere from 19th to 34th in presidential rankings. Not stellar but about the same as his predecessor.

But there is no doubt in my military mind that GWB, the fighter pilot hero of Alabama, will finish DEAD LAST.

The difficulty with trying to keep it simple vis a vis dealing with Dustbomb is that it reduces the conversation to the level of “See spot run”!

But I still contend your comment about anti-stupid war was dead on.

And Bushco’s senseless and deadly invasion/occupation of Iraq certainly fits the definition.

As for “Marge”, she seemed to be either one of the fruitier drive-bys in awhile or more likely one of the {{{right wing}}} regulars here who tend to “create” new personalities to bolster their numbers and weight.

Everyone’s heard the US Army’s slogan - An Army of One.

These guys are an army of none!

By Goldie

May 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 11:05 — so you’re fine with McBush’s idea of 100 years of occupation of Iraq (and without using the word “war”)??? I have trouble at times with your posting answers in circles. Please try to get to your point.

By IN THE NEWS

May 8, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Can’t help it…I’m still chuckling.

I think it’s great that McCain utters pre-misrepresented speech.

It makes it so much easier for his opponents…..

By spell checker

May 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Goldie:

c/o Bosch and Amvet

“embarassing” is spelled embarrassing

By wthe//?

May 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

is this one of those blogs where everybody has been together for too long? paranoia setting in? lol! stumble on a lot of those. always luv the stupidity of time wasted.

NEW RW/ANDI SURROGATE @ 10:34

no dude. third post in as many months. just this once; source is chicago sun times or congressional records if you feel like wading. won’t be doing your research for you on my next pass thru.

waste not want not. mccain is the man.

better luck in 2012. you blew it again. hahahahaha

By Bill

May 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Little RW: Since you are raving on about your lifestyle, it’s only fair to describe it to all of us - in detail. OK??

By Paul

May 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

ITN 11:24

For analysis, I’m happy to refer to a site you have referenced:

Link: DNC vs McCain

It’s FactCheck.

Obama’s running on change. Dean’s running on the past. Pity.

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

I look at Carter this way. He was president for four years. Four years of his life. Who cares is he was a bad president? He’s even said he was a bad president. He admits his mistakes.

Those who criticize him, and have nothing to say except he was a bad president, to me, are not worth arguing with, because they are too narrow in their scope to even deal with. People who criticize his efforts with Hamas are simply being rascist, plain and simple. They do not want to see these people as human beings, which is the basis for their frustrations and lashing out with violence.

If you look at the history of many Israeli leaders, they make Hamas look like nothing, and to ignore the same type of violence perpetrated by the Israelis against the Palestinians is outrageous.

I have a friend who is a devout Jew who just got back from a tour of Palestine. He’s outraged at the Israeli government, and believe me, for this man to feel that way, that’s saying ALOT. You don’t find anyone more Jewish than this guy, believe me.

I feel this meeting with Hamas, will win him yet another Nobel Peace Prize, as it should.

Real peace and real negotiations take some hard internal questions and some real talk - this administration is completely incapable of this, or simply doesn’t want to. They claim to be the crusaders of freedom and peace in the ME, when their actions speak for their real intent.

By Curious Observer

May 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

I ask all of my fellow democrats to help the people of Florida and Michigan to ensure that our votes count. It is very important to the democrat party that all voters are allowed to participate in the nominating process for the party’s presidential candidate. Let us not slip back to the days of the poll tax, counting blacks as only 2/3rds of a person and women’s suffrage.

Florida Democrats knew the consequences of setting their primary early, and they were warned repeatedly about it. Then, aided by gleeful Republicans, they went ahead and violated party rules anyway. Now, they want their delegates to be seated anyway, regardless of the fact that no Democratic candidates campaigned in the state and all agreed that Florida delegates would not be seated. I wonder if the writer would be advocating the same action if Obama had won the vote. Sounds like a Hillary backer to me.

By AmVet

May 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

This is certainly not fool proof, but generally I look to the source, to determine whether an assertion is credible or not.

If ANYONE truly believes Carter is anti-Semitic, there must be serious doubts about their connection with reality.

Ditto for the fallacious argument that Chuck Hagel is a liberal.

Both claims are absolute rubbish.

The geopolitical reality is that the Middle East is a long term nightmare.

Solutions to the problems are agonizingly slow in coming and happen in fits and spurts. Carter was one brief shining moment in that history.

And this administration as fronted by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Condi (a third rate amateur according to Donald Trump) has been a major debacle.

By Paul

May 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Goldie 11:26

Sorry it seems in circles. Let me rephrase - couple issues going on, here.

McCain did not say he’s fine with 100 years of war but implied he’s okay with forces there if no one’s getting hurt. DNC gives false impression and continues traditional attack ads. And it plays to the short-term advantage and ignores the long-term.

Obama could have an excellent counter to a 100-year occupation theme, without misrepresenting McCain. Great chance to set out new vision for how America will conduct itself, and position itself, in the Middle East and throughout the world.

I’m NOT happy with the idea of American troops in the MidEast for 100 years - as that implies we’ll have done nothing to achieve energy independence by then. Or take effective steps to counter, or minimize, jihadists. That’s the kind of noncreative thinking that concerns me about McCain and his advisors.

I’m NOT happy with the idea of American forces in most of those other countries around the world, either. Some say there are political realities for it. I’d say much of it is inertia.

I DO think it’s possible for this country to take steps to produce, conserve and invent our way out of reliance on MiddleEast oil - and to do so relatively quickly.

Same with counters to jihadist ideology. Not as quick, but possible.

I’ll stick my neck out and say, I’d be pleased if we had as great a presence, and interest, with the Persian/Arab world as we do in, say, Botswana.

I hope that’s clearer.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 8, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

AJC Management says:

”{{{{Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person’s tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities. To justify economic inequalities, a person could support the idea of meritocracy, in which people supposedly move up their economic status in society based on hard work and good performance. In that way, one’s social class attainment, whether upper, middle or lower, would be perceived as totally fair and justified.}}}}

In other words, we live in reality.”

What other reality is there? Do people really think that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor based on any other factor than hard work? That is like suggesting that Bush got into Yale on the basis of factors other than merit. Does any one really believe that? What kind of stupid world do the libs live in anyway?

If you think, as I do, that a kid raised in the projects of Atlanta or in a trailer park in Hawkinsville and going to public schools has as much chance at being successful as a kid raised by millionaires and going to private schools, then you are living in a right-wing reality-based world. You may point to statistics that say that I must be f—-ing insane and that may be true, but what those statistics won’t tell you is that the poor want to be poor and that the rich, generation after generation, earn their way to the top. That is the real world as understood by right-wingers.

Given this sort of horse sense, don’t you want us in charge of defeating the terrorists who “hate us for our freedoms?”

And don’t tell me that you think that they don’t hate us for our freedoms. If you don’t think that Bin Laden is sitting in a cave fuming about First Amendment Rights you just aren’t living in a right-wing reality based world, like me and Luck.

Also with respect to Myanmar. What did they do to upset God? My right-wing rationality tells me they must have done something pretty bad. Makes you wonder whether God really hates gays though? I mean you never hear of a hurricane in San Francisco.

RWNJIFG

By Bosch

May 8, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

“Solutions to the problems are agonizingly slow in coming and happen in fits and spurts”

According to who? Us? That’s certainly one of the U.S.’s perspective, but I think the efforts are worth it.

The patience of these people are just not understood in our world. We want everything done right now, and quick. It just doesn’t work that way over there.