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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > May > 06 > Entry

Commencement speech

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 07:15 AM

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By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{Kurdish rebels could launch suicide attacks against American interests to punish the United States for sharing intelligence with Turkey after Turkey bombed rebel bases, a spokeswoman for a wing of a rebel group warned, blah, blah, war is good, blah blah, more terrorists blowing themselves up, blah, blah, we love terrorists blowing themselves up and threatening evil America, blah, blah.-Urinal}}}}

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{{{{The environmental group Friends of the Earth endorsed Obama over the weekend and called Clinton and McCain’s moratorium proposals “sham solutions that won’t ease the pain at the pump.”}}}}

{{{{Rivlin, who headed the CBO before running the White House budget office during the Clinton administration, was among the Clinton backers signing the letter.}}}}

{{{{I don't have to agree with everything she says, and I think she was wrong on this one,'' Rivlin said in an interview today. >>>If anything, we need higher gas taxes.”<<<}}}}

Notice how the Obambi loving green weenies care more about their junk science than they do the poor and needy struggling to survive these high fuel prices?

And looking down upon We the People from the window of their fuel guzzling private jets:

{{{{Leonardo DiCaprio WHAT HE SAYS: Pumped millions of his own money into producing the environmental documentary, The 11th Hour, due to be released on DVD next month, and claims that if we do not radically change the way we live right away, the Earth will be destroyed. WHAT HE DOES: Although he flew his family from Paris to Rome on a private jet in October 2006, since 2007, DiCaprio has been trying to live down the tag of “Leonardo the Learjet liberal” and publicly eschewed the use of the fuel-glugging private aircraft. During an interview with his co-producers, one TV interviewer challenged DiCaprio to “take a pledge and promise never to get into a private jet again” - something he has so far been unwilling to do.}}}}

Typical liberal.

Bushie understands:

{{{{Bush said the rising cost of gas “troubles me a lot” because it is “like a tax on the working people.”}}}}

Obambi doesn’t:

{{{{So now Obama is calling for a windfall profits tax on oil companies. I am sure he can point exactly where in the Constitution it says that the federal government can dictate to an industry how much profit they

By Moe

May 6, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Well, we have already heard from Larry and Curly so I thought I would complete the trio.

By N-GA

May 6, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

I won’t be around much today, but wanted to respond to RW’s feces-throwing post yesterday. He had asked my thoughts on the word neocon and I responded by citing the PNAC website…specifically Kristol’s statements on the site. RW responded with:

{{{Since every Republican under the sun is called a neocon by most of your idealogical twins you just did exactly what you’re accusing Dusty of. Nice of you to fall directly into that trap, dumba$$.}}}

The only one falling into any trap was RW falling into his own {feces}. He never imagined that I would cite a neocon’s own words when expressing my views about them.

Remember what your mother told you, RW. Don’t go in the deep end!

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Thanks Andy/RW at 8:33

BUT WRONG AGAIN

I hang with another Trio

Truth

Justice

and the American way

(Funny characters are your forte)

By truthman

May 6, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Suspending the gas tax, or any tax, always appeals to the short-sighted…those who love their money more than their country!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Considering the oldest Boschkin is graduating from HS in a couple of weeks, this cartoon hits home. He’s definitely education loving, but no elitist. I guess the thread today will be about the evil liberal take-over of the higher education system. Hopefully not.

Paul,

I popped on last night, and popped right back off. So I just now saw your post.

I’ve always been puzzled about the hybrid woman (didn’t know she was a hybrid until the previews for next week came on). Her life must really suck to hang out in the bathtub of goo all day/night and talk incessantly. Did you notice Starbuck was talking to her in the previews? On the Cylon ship, no less? Can’t wait until Friday.

I’m predicting two things. Starbuck was somehow Cylonized during the time she was held captive, and is maybe a hybrid herself, and Laura is the remaining Cylon. She has hallucinations, visions, headaches, and was cured by the Cylon blood. And she’s viscious mean behind that sweet exterior. Why was she chosen to go up on Galactica the day of the attack? Hmm? I can’t believe everyone else (she was 42nd in line to the Presidency) was busy.

I started watching the first season again this weekend. The middle Boschkin is all into the show now, so he wanted to go back to the beginning. He’s the deep thinker of the little Boschkies. Oldest is the scientist, the middle Boschkie is the philosopher.

RW,

Wicked Hahd! That’s really funny. And people say we talk funny down here.

By Goldie

May 6, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

America is ready for some elitism in November! What a disastrous 8 years we’ve lived through under Dubya’s incompetence…

By candide

May 6, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Vote vs. Hillary to vote against Bill. Vote vs. Obama to vote against his black separatist wife.

By Moe

May 6, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Hey ITN, bad guess. I am someone who places you in the same category as Duh.

By @@

May 6, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

I’ve never associated education with elitism ml. It’s more about the attitude.

As far as education goes, a person can be very knowledgeable in one subject or have substantial knowledge in all subjects.

All things being equal, the latter is the smarter but doesn’t declare themselves to be so.

It’s the humility! Don’t leave home without it.

By Paul

May 6, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

ITN 8:06

Possibly part of the obsession with elitism has to do with

As a label, it’s worked in the past to defeat candidates.

As a party, Dems have used variations of the elitist label for years - fat cats who run corporations and get megabucks while the common person doesn’t are elites.

Elites - those “above” you in income, education, etc, are responsible for your situation and if they don’t help you, they are selfish.

There’s the desire to be part of the group and the one who isn’t there is the egghead, the nerd, the elite - by their low numbers they aren’t “one of us.”

I could go on about Rep using the “elite” label - but I’ll offer they can do it in a more positive way - this person has business or gov’t experience - real world fixer - and spin “elite” as a good thing. Except if it’s the characteristic of the Dem opponent.

But a lot of it is the same prob Dems created for themselves with the hyperpartisan rhetoric of the past years - once you establish a low standard it’s difficult to rise above it and you’ll use the same tactics on any opponent - even in your own party.

Hey Bosch

A Boschkin’s graduating? I thought you were in the rug rat and curtain climber stage. Congrats! Off to university to become an elite?

Sometimes I watch the previews, sometimes not. Just depends on the mood and how much I want to second guess. I didn’t this past week so thanks for the fill-in.

So Starbuck somehow makes it onto the Cylon ship. I noticed the eyeball to eyeball between her and Lysander but there was not red dot recognition signal.

I still think Roslyn makes a good Hillary metaphor - hits the top job by virture of position, distrust of, then support of the military, toughness underneath it all. But waayyyyy to many false leads - I think my guess about if number 12 is even one of the characters we know would be only a guess. The writers hold the cards, here.

In and out a bit today - cheers

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

It must have been tough for an old goat farmer like you to stew all night before coming up with that pathetic retort. I bet you drank the pool hall dry, at least if they still give you free Blue Ribbon to clean the place.

Your point yesterday was that words like hero get thrown around freely whether deserved or not and destroy their meaning. Neocon is just such a word however you went to the book definition of it just as Dusty gave you the book definition of hero. Spin away dumba$$, but you lose no matter which way you take this argument. It was the perfect trap and you’re stuck in it.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Bosch,

The comedic Brett Butler, not the ex Brave, has a skit where she tells of a guy with a thick Brooklyn accent saying southerners “sound so blankin stupid when they tawk.”

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

{{{{I believe that, if he is the Democratic candidate for president, Senator Obama will lose in November. There are many people in the Democratic Party and its leadership who feel that way. They are told that, nevertheless, the party must accept Obama even if he arrives at the convention with fewer committed delegates than needed to win the nomination. They say that to deprive him of victory under all of these circumstances would so enrage his supporters that they would either stay home in November or cross party lines and vote for Senator John McCain.-Ed Koch}}}}

Ahhh, yes, Operation Chaos, hahaha.

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{{{{I don’t know about you but I feel a bit cheated. There we all were, led to believe by so many commentators that the sub-prime crisis was going to force the United States into a new era of dust bowls and breadlines, a slump that would call into question the very functioning of the capitalist system in the world’s largest economy. Carried away on the surging wave of their own economically dubious verbosity, the pundits even speculated that this unavoidable calamity might presage some 1930s-style global political cataclysm to match.}}}}

{{{{Well, it’s early days, to be fair, but so far the Great Depression 2008 is shaping up to be a Great Disappointment. Not so much The Grapes of Wrath as Raisins of Mild Inconvenience. Last week the Commerce Department reported that the US economy – battered by the credit crunch, pummelled by a housing market collapse and generally devastated by the wild stampede of animal spirits – actually grew in the first three months of the year.}}}}

The pinko media hasn’t been right about very much lately, have they?

And that would be good news to the rest of us.

By Paul

May 6, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

ITN 9:09

Politicians don’t often get elected by telling voters the best course rather than by letting them vote their economic self interest.

Does this herald a new day for you? Will your links now be on policy implications for the greater good, not just the special interests of subgroups? To the exclusion of the personality profiles (he has a potty mouth! He’s mean! He’s a sinner!!!).

I’m really looking forward to this. Thanks.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Three protesters, a half-dozen signs and a missing petition.

little newsie namejacker,

Could you give me another one of those links that say 80% or so are demanding we leave Iraq? Unless those were the links that got you banned, of course. In that case I understand your need to cling to the one outlet in life you have so I’ll let you slide on the link.

By N-GA

May 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Rickie,

You are one of those spinners who thinks that if you say it, it must be true. My response to you about neocon was straight from their website. The fact that you want to spin that response to try to compare it to words that lose their meaning is pathetic.

And you’ve done it in front of everybody. But most here are not surprised. Now that you’ve sobered up since last night’s posts, you realize you were hoisted by your own petard.

Off until later…

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Had the little Boschkies when we were rather young - especially by today’s standards. All of our friends are in that stage, and we just laugh and laugh. If I had a child from the ages of 2-10 right now, I think I’d just have to commit myself.

The oldest Bosch is no elitist, that’s for sure - unless the elitist these days are wearing t-shirts, hemp necklaces, and flip flops. The oldest Boschkie can make the coolest hemp necklaces I’ve ever seen - learned to do it at church camp. Told him he needed to sell them to buy books next year.

But what’s wrong with being a little elitist - I always associate that word with arrogance and confidence, but with a bigger dose of humility it could be a good combination.

Like what you said last night about Obama, I think giving back to a community, even if it’s mandatory, is not such a bad thing.

Is Lysander the hybrid chick in the bathtub of goo? Laura/Hillary? I can definitely see that, but I like Laura. She’s tough, and kind of hot for an older chick. Hillary? weeeeeelllllllll? If the 12 Cylon ISN’T one of the characters we know, it will be a bigger disappointment than the last Seinfeld episode.

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

There’s RW/ANDI/Zell/Moe…. what a hoot!

says I was “banned” today….yesterday it was suspended…

anybody ever been banned from here for 3 days?

i take a vacation and little ricky goes whacko….

more proof that he’s slipping.

RW YOU ARE NOW AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LIAR.

YOU LIE AS EASILY AS YOU BREATHE

YOU LIE WITH PRIDE - JUST LIKE YOUR MASTERS

By Paul

May 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

ITN 9:45

You do realize that the constant links to McCain’s “religious associations” just lends credence to, and perpetuates, the constant references to Wright (and Ayers) for Obama, don’t you?

Bosch

Didn’t take the time to check - by “Lysander” I meant the Cylon who held Starbuck captive and who escaped the Cylon attack.

Roslyn = older chick? Whassa matter, you never heard of prime time? You know, I could see an ending like that being a disappointment. Especially with all the online stuff about figuring it out. Take that away and people will feel cheated.

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

IN FACT

RW

HERE”S A VIDEO OF YOU I HAVE BEEN SAVING

YOU ARE GETTING MORE RIDICULOUS BY THE DAY!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Lysander - the rather large African American Cylon bad a$$? Just looked it up - his name is Simon. I don’t know all the non-Colonial Fleet Cylon names except Leoban and D’Anna. Mary McDonnell is an older chick to me, but like I said, she still has it going on.

truthman,

I like that Obama isn’t trying to make everything happy and warm and fuzzy - by not suspending the gas tax, and putting it on the table tells me he’s not trying to buy votes. Reality sucks sometimes.

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

I read Jay Bookman’s OP-Ed yesterday. He was basically arguing that both sides are not getting the big picture with oil and that prices have nothing to do with the environmental terrorists trying to block refineries and the bad conservatives fighting for oil in the Middle East - it’s about China and their demand for it. They are going to be getting the oil because they can afford it (Bookman didn’t say that, that was a Bosch analysis).

Oil is going to run out folks, start fixing your bikes, dust off the spider webs - I am getting mined tuned up even as we speak (or rather write).

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

It seems to me this elitism is a whole bunch to do about nothin. One of Webster’s definitions: “Those who are choice or select; the best.” IMHO elitism, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. Some (not all) individuals are in the upper classes financially, and I’m sure think they are the chosen ones, when actually they are simply RICH TRASH. I’m don’t agree with @@ at 9:03AM that some have ‘substantial knowledge in all subjects.’ Considerable knowledge in all subjects is a tall order. Don’t think I know anyone like that. I do know some who have a general knowledge of many subjects, but considerable…don’t think so. I also (see @@’s 9:03) never equated elitism with education. Education is great, but we also have the educated fools some refer to, i.e. jack of all trades and master of none. Then there’s the self educated, well read individual who is not formally educated but much ‘smarter’ if you will than the educated fool. A very deep subject indeed.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Dang newsie, can’t you just give me the link without having a stroke?

Every time any of the conservatives here goes on vacation you moonbat(ic)s® carry on about us being banned/suspended. I always thought it was a little silly, but I figured I’d see how you would react to the same accusation. Drama queen doesn’t even begin to describe you, namejacker.

What exactly did you take a vacation from? Is spamming a cartoon blog 13/5 really that stressful? You save John Lovitz videos? You may need one of those “vacations” like finch takes.

Goat boy,

Do you even know what a petard is? I doubt it since you don’t even know that the word neocon is now used to describe anyone that isn’t a panty waist liberal, but it’s basically a small bomb. A good, dear, and close friend of Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, knows all about them. He used a few of them trying to murder this kid and his family.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

little newsie namejacker @ 10:26,

I’m sure you propagandists don’t care, but in that video clip McBushie said we need ——>A<—— league of nations, not ——->THE<——-league of nations to deal with Iran. I thought you numbnuts thought we were supposed to work with allies to solve problems.

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) May 6, 2008 10:29 AM Every time any of the conservatives here goes on vacation you moonbat(ic)s® carry on about us being banned

RW, please define moonbat. I consider myself a moderate liberal, and could care less who posts here or how frequently. I rarely come here as I do have a life, and go on vacation quite frequently.

Believe I’ve seen some posts from moonbats, I guess you could call them that, who actually keep their own folders on those who posts. Guess you could call him/her the Gladys Cravitts of the AJC blog! What a life, or lack thereof. ABNEER!!!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

This is for the dimbulb who said the female Soldier who earned the Silver Star in Iraq was not real:

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/laborprof_blog/2008/05/female-soldier.html

As I truthfully reported (I AM Truthman, you know), not only did 18-year-old Monica Brown earn the Silver Star, the third-highest award for galantry in the face of an opposing force, she was dismissed from the unit because she is - gasp! - a female.

Apologies will be accepted here…you know who you are!!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Morningstar,

Great post. I agree. I know lots of “educated folks” who are rather retarded in many aspects of their lives. My dad didn’t go to college and is one of the smartest men I know - been told that by many, not just me. I too know lots of rich trash and humble poor who have it going on.

I find that people who are actual experts on things don’t talk about their expertise very much. It’s the ones who go on and on about what they know and make extraordinary claims of absolute knowledge and truth on all subjects - actually know the least - it’s kind of a “compensation” thing if you know what I mean.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

P.S. Two female Soldiers have earned the Silver Star during Bush’s war for oil.

Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester, KY National Guard MP, is the other winner.

My facts are straight, unlike McCain’s…and yours!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

ITN

Likely a function of the relatively small number of combat deaths compared to the huge number of soldiers who have rotated through the theater.

Gates just changed the manner in which mental health counseling is viewed - not a killer for security clearances. The institution still needs further attitudinal changes.

The article noted the lack of care in rural areas for ex soldiers.

Have you thought - the Webb GI Bill you’ve touted - would encourage more soldiers to get out, out and away from mental care facilities - and could actually feed the population most at risk for suicide?

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

McCain’s Schizophrenic Foreign Policy

FOR RW

“Liars begin by imposing upon others, but end deceiving themselves”

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Morningstar,

I rather like the phrase “moonbat.” I like the moon and bats are cool - they just have a bad reputation like snakes, but are acutally kind of cute and did you know - not blind as many belive?

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Paul,

How was mental counseling viewed before? And how is it been changed?

It actually frightens me to think of all the returning combat veterans who will have some SERIOUS mental “issues.”

By Paul

May 6, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Gotta run for a meeting - tty this afternoon -

By AmVet

May 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What a hootfest.

Regarding the now most dreaded “neo-con” label!

I find it more than ironic that the goons who have positively mastered the hijacking, misuse and perversion of countless terms, phrases and labels, now takes umbrage at this one!

And apparently the men in this wacky Republican Party who were once considered good, staunch conservatives….are not?

WTF?

I still contend true American conservatives are like aliens - MANY reports, but no irrefutable evidence.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to those who keep pig-headedly contending they are…

ITN, you were banned???!!!

Just kidding. I know better.

And many of us know who was ACTUALLY banned for many weeks and who pretends not to know!

A real laugh-a-rama…

@@, liked your distinction between education and elitism.

The reality is, even here in America,though not nearly as pronounced as other places, we are starting to see a pronounced class system. And IMHO with the beleaguered middle class picking up the slack for both extremes…

By truthman

May 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

In the recent past, mental health problems in the Army existed, but no one talked about lest they be preceived as being ‘weak.’

Slowly, and I mean slowly, that preception is changing, but mental problems carry a larger stigma in the macho-man Army than in the regular civilian population.

As commanders take ownership of the mental health of their Soldiers, the stigma will lessen.

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Morningstar - using the dictionary definition is not always the best way to go, as languages are fluid and evolve. The meanings of the words liberal and conservative are quite different now than they were when those parties dominated British politics in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. To the average person an elitist is a snob who thinks that he is, frankly, better than most other ‘average’ folks and who habitually looks down upon others who are not ‘like’ him. Barak Obama is clearly an elitist, as is any run of the mill liberal college professor, many of whom I know well. I choose not to call them friends because I don’t LIKE them. I also don’t like base, crude elitists such as KKK members either.

John Kerry was clearly an elitist. His actions betrayed him every time. Al Gore, ditto. In the end they both LOST because people don’t want to be governed by people who are clearly ELITIST. They do want to their leaders to be ‘elite’ in that they are the best and the brightest. Certainly Lyndon Johnson was never an elitist, but he was elite, although he never went to any of the big Ivy League schools or traveled in the same circles the Kennedys and Rockefellers did.

Obama also suffers from one more flaw, besides elitism. He suffers from terminal vagueness. Politicians by habit are pandering and vague, but he reaches new heights in mediocrity in this area. Hillary is great at that too. Her speech at the Indianapolis Jefferson/Jackson Day Dinner a few days ago was hopelessly vague and full of platitudes, all sound and fury, signifying nothing. Obama was even worse. It is like they are terrified if they get too specific that people will figure out that they really believe all that rot in ‘Das Kapital’.

However, McCain also suffers from a bit of that and he needs a charisma transplant. The results on November 4 will be interesting. It will depend on who selfdestructs first!!!!

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Bosch, my grandfather was also one of those self educated people. He passed in the late 70’s at the age of 90, and was from an era when many had little opportunity for formal education. He kept up with all the news and could converse on any level. I’ve also had countless others tell me they were amazed at his knowledge.

I personally think bats and snakes get a bad rap. Most don’t realize the importance of bats, or they’d build a bat house. Should anyone kill a rat snake in my yard it’s “To the Moon Alice!”

By Jesus

May 6, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

I think that is true everywhere - not just the Army (being perceived as weak if you have counseling). It goes with our society’s view that everything has to be perfect, and anything less is unacceptable. The problem is that no one can define with is perfect.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Ole Devil trots out all the buzz-names the neo-cons try to prop up as elitists.

First of all, Gore DID win!!

Never mentions Rupert Murdoch, Sean Vannity, Rush Limjob, Trent Lott, GHW Bush, Cheney, Rove, Bob Novak or any neo-cons…they’re all just good old ‘murikins!!

I want an elitist for president. I’m tired of having a room-temperature IQ hick for a prez!!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Bosch, every morning when I look in the mirror, I see perfection…after I brush my hair!!

Peace!

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Blowhard,

Must you always go off halfcocked and ill informed? When you decide to jump into a conversation you would appear much less ignorant if you took the time to know what the conversation was about.

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch - in what universe do you live? Mental health issues have always arisen in war. War is a horrible, traumatic experience for most people. If it is not, then that person is already mentally unbalanced. Hitler just loved the battle and the trenches of the Western Front. I imagine that most people need at least some mental health counseling after seeing even some death and distruction. There should not be a stigma to it, but there is. That is human nature. But discouraging people from seeking it is truly bizarre - rather Tom Cruise-y don’t you think?

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Amvet,

“The reality is, even here in America,though not nearly as pronounced as other places, we are starting to see a pronounced class system. And IMHO with the beleaguered middle class picking up the slack for both extremes…”

I think that is true on many levels. In my opinion, there are those who will never be effected by economic turns for the worse, either because they are too rich, or too poor - both ends will get the help they need. There are those who are on the fringes - able to pay their bills now, but as everything goes up without a cost of living increase, they will put everything on their credit cards for a while - until they can’t afford that anymore. The credit card companies will be the next to fall.

My sister is struggling financially and is trying to sell her house. She contacted one of those “we buy ugly houses” people which I couldn’t believe, but still. They told her to quit paying her mortgage for a while to make it appear she’s in worse shape than she is - she declined. Their gig is that they take up payments - seller gets nothing - if they can’t sell it, seller gets stuck back with mortgage that is now 6-12 months behind.

The crazy thing? THESE PEOPLE ARE MAKING $$$ DOING THIS!!! THAT’S HOW DESPERATE PEOPLE ARE!!!

What I’ve read, proposed bailouts won’t help people who are that far behind on their mortgage.

They are also changing bankruptcy laws where people can’t go bankrupt so easy, which I tend to agree with. However, people’s attitude’s towards spending have no changed - and I see the credit card industry taking the next big hit.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Jesus @ 11:16,

I think you’re running out of time, but I just wanted to let you know I admire your tenacity and your ability to stay strictly on message for all these years.

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Falseman - Please tell me how Hannity, Limbaugh, Lott or Rove are elitists? Is it the clubs they belong to? Please tell me. Also, you are throwing around the term neo-con a little too much. I really don’t know the exact definition, but the one you seem to have glommed on to does not fit the conservatives like Limbaugh, Hannity, Hume, Krauthammer or many others. It really does not fit the Bushes, who are old-fashioned Country Club Republicans. George H.W. Bush could be called an elitist because of his background, but he really has not led his personal life in that way. His personal friends just are not of that type. Bill and Hillary Clinton’s are, as are Barak Obama’s. However, I am NOT saying that some conservatives are not elitists. Some most definitely are, and I find that distasteful. You just need to admit that your loser friends Gore and Kerry are terrible elitist snobs, as are the two candidates for the Elitist Liberal nomination in the party that is anything but ‘democratic’.

By DUBYA

May 6, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

You can always hear the little people who are willing to sacrifice someone else’s life. They’re loud and they talk all the time. You find them here and in churches and schools and newspapers and legislatures and congress. They sound just wonderful, these cretins. Death before dishonor. This ground sanctified by blood. These men/women who died with such bravery, so gloriously. They shall not have died in vain. Our noble dead, etc. Hmmm. Wonder what the KIAs in Iraq say?? God bluss Murcuh.

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

I only have one thing to say to your earlier post - “DUH”

What a newsflash for the rest of us - as I roll my eyes.

That’s not what I’m talking about, and I’m certainly not encouraging people to not get the counseling they need - it’s certainly worked for me in certain points of my life!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

LOL! Confidence with humility is the key to happiness, in my opinion - and a good hairbrush!

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Well as the wise man once said. Those golf balls aren’t going to hit themselves.

Later!

By AmVet

May 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

So sorry to hear about that. This will bring her no comfort, but she need not feel like the Lone Stranger. I have a feeling the deluge is coming.

Though still hands down the best system ever invented, there are many, many dirty little “secrets” in capitalism.

People who use techniques like the one you described, that are short sighted if not downright immoral but enormously profitable to them and them alone, can get away with it, because they know that the foxes guarding the hen house are into such scams BIG time.

And they know they will never “pay the piper” as those who are supposed to enforce the laws to help the average American, don’t really do it, excepting in the most egregious cases such as Enron and WorldCom. And even then the middle class American takes it on the chin.

Like it or not, Nader is the only man in my lifetime who is serious about changing the game. The others only pay lip service to get elected.

That the neo-cons refuse to see they are getting used along with everyone else, is but one of the numerous reasons they are finally now considered so very out of touch with reality…

By GOD

May 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

JESUS: Hang in there, My Boy. thy will be done.

Devil: You know not that you know not that you know not.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

OK, Now that you see my female Silver Star winner story is true, where are the apologies and the “I can’t believe they’d do that to a Soldier of such bravery!?!”

Where is your anger against a male-dominated institution (much like religion) that would remove a gallant Soldier from her unit just because she’s a female. All the while, we’re arming Iraqi women and calling them “Daughters of Iraq!”

Mendacity!!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Truthman@10:49

You should be called The Deceptor. You gave the impression that a female soldier was DISMISSED because she was a woman. SHE WAS NOT DISMISSED OR DISCHARGED FROM THE ARMY.

The Army has said that women should not be in combat positions. This female soldier medic was quickly grabbed up to go on a combat mission in Afghanistan because another medic was not available. She served well and bravely and the Army recommended she receive a medal. And she did.

The Army also follows rules and she was moved from her particular unit to another because the rules had been broken. SHE WAS NOT REMOVED FROM THE ARMY.

Truthman, please stop trying to incriminate our armed forces. They are putting their lives on the line for us. The Army tries to give some protection to female soldiers. You, on the other hand, are trying to say that the Army discriminates against women. You are intentionally trying to make the USA military look bad. You are a “disgrace” to America.

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

By The Devil You say May 6, 2008 11:10 AM Morningstar - using the dictionary definition is not always the best way to go, as languages are fluid and evolve

Devil, I’m quite aware that languages and definitions evolve. However, I’m one who continues to refer to Websters and my college textbooks (yep, I still have them) for definitions. I believe I said the word elitism is up for interpretation for many. So however you wish to define it is OK with me. You stated (((Bill and Hillary Clinton’s are, as are Barak Obama’s. However, I am NOT saying that some conservatives are not elitists Some most definitely are, and I find that distasteful))

You and I clearly disagree concerning most you define as the elite. I believe many of the wealthy (not all) see themselves as elite, although many of us may not see them as elite, but a bunch of arrogant, egotistical fools. I don’t see Bill Clinton as an elitist. I think he and Al Gore could identify with the average American , although both were priviledged. Clearly George Bush can in no way relate to the average person. I guess it does all go back to attitude. Some care and have common sense and others don’t.

One would have to be a nutcase not to see how the political parties have ‘evolved’ over the years. See! We do keep up with events! Your ole Southern, racist, KKK type democrat has switched to the R party. So much for change!!!

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Thanks, my sister is doing okay. She didn’t fall for it, but that’s what is so crazy, there are lots of people who know that’s not a good idea, but are so desperate, they are willing to take it. Her financial problems have more to do with an idiot husband, than getting in over her head.

I always find it very amusing when “those people” amongst us call us libs “socialists.” I could be wrong, but I’ve never seen one “lib” here call for socialism, have you?

I too, think capitalism is great, but there is no such thing as a pure ideological/political system, and certainly none that don’t have it’s flaws.

I think Nader is very interesting, like RW said the other day in reference to Bob Barr - he would make a viable president, but not a viable presidential candidate (or something like that).

Nader is too far off the beaten path, which is typically the type of people I like. I think anyone in the mainstream these days is iffy.

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

By AmVet May 6, 2008 11:08 AM we are starting to see a pronounced class system. And IMHO with the beleaguered middle class picking up the slack for both extremes

IMHO, massive cutbacks in jobs with less job opportunity is causing the middle class to shrink to the ‘poor class.’ I’m speaking of class from a financial standpoint. We also have the ‘elite’ rich who are POOR IN SPIRIT.

By Bosch

May 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

AmVet & Morningstar,

One more thing before I move out for a bit - I wonder how long it will take RB to come on and tell us we’re just jealous - you know, the ol’ class envy myth.

By Rev. Wright

May 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Debating these neo-cons is pointless… once you attain over a few million dollar$ it actually DOES make sense to be a neo-con, so arguing with all of these millionaires on this forum is an act of futility.

What’s that? you mean none of these people arguing republiscum/neo-con arguments are actually rich?

LOL! and they vote that way? OMG!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Dustball:

I never said she was removed. Maybe you should’ve done a little research yourself, eh!?!

Also, you may want to learn to read critically. It’s what we elite, panty-waist, godless liberal do!!

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

May 6, 2008 12:28 PM AmVet & Morningstar, One more thing before I move out for a bit - I wonder how long it will take RB to come on and tell us we’re just jealous - you know, the ol’ class envy myth.

Probably not long but that’s his problem. I’m perfectly happy with nice family (most of them anyway), two nice dogs, several bird feeders and other wild creatures who come around for a handout. You know “us liberals” appreciate the simple things of life.

I’m reminded of an article I read somewhere, and for the life of me I can’t remember when or the source. It was something to the effect that a person’s thinking processes, whether they will be liberal and caring or conservative and couldn’t care less was established at birth. According to the writer, this was established by position of the stars, the moon (here goes the moonbat jokes)!!! I’m not into the horiscope thing so I didn’t exactly buy it, but who knows. I seem to have heard at one time the Reagans were into this??? Ta Ta now. I’m off to shop for groceries and some new summer duds.

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Morningstar - it is quite offensive to state that the KKK has become part of the Republican party, and that is at least your implication. The Republican party has routinely and roundly rejected the KKK in every way that I can think of. When David Duke ran as a Republican for Governor of Louisiana, not one Republican of any importance endorsed him and, in fact, President George H.W. Bush, that old elitist as you call him, actively campaigned against him.

However, the Democrat party has in the past routinely embraced racists and race baiters. It still does. There are many out there right now defending the Most Wrong Reverend. I never hear anyone calling for Robert C. “Sheets” Byrd’s resignation. Well into my adulthood Democrat segregationists like George Wallace, James Allen, John Stennis and Herman Talmadge continued to be lauded and BACKED by the Democrat party.

Bill Clinton even gave a Presidential Medal of Freedom to J. William Fullbright, one of the most rabid segregationists of all, and someone who signed the Southern Manifesto. He never apologized for his actions either. Strom Thurmond did, and when he became a Republican he also became the first Southern Senator to hire a black staff member.

It is facile and inane to label and entire party with such a broad brush without any facts to back you up except that this is your ‘perception’. Please back your opinions up with some real facts.

And Bill Clinton and Al Gore relate to the ‘common’ man about as much as I would relate to a room full of white mice!

By Rev. Wright

May 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Dusty, are you trying to say that the Army/armed forces don’t discriminate against women/minorities? You are intentionally trying to erase and ignore a true problem our society faces. You are the “disgrace” to America.

it’s you people who have turned the south into the racist cesspool it is today, perhaps you just think that discrimination/racism doesn’t exist… must be bliss

By Glenn

May 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Well Mike Luckovich, your cartoon is nicely made but it’s ironic instead of funny. So since you like irony, here’s some for you.

You’re somebody; I’m nobody. Hillary Clinton isn’t the enemy of education-loving elitists; I am.

North field at dawn, Cartoon Boy. Choose your weapons.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Rev. Wright,

Why do you think the south votes for idiots such as Bush and Sonny and Trent Lott and Jessie Helms.

They always remember Willie Horton, but mention Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph, true Republicans both and home-grown terrorists, and they have selective amnesia!!!

It’s so easy to do when you are the race in charge, so to speak, eh!?!

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Truthman - you liberals hardly ever do any real research. Getting crap from moveon.org and Michael Moore and Al Gore movies is hardly doing research. Why don’t you go to a variety of RELIABLE sources with proven track records? Maybe you should also read opposing journals of opinion like I do. I not only read National Review, but I also read The New Republic, among others. I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I do listen to NPR.

The funny thing is that I always end up going back to the basics when it is all said and done. Conservatism is based in a set of sound principals, but the chief among them is individual responsibility and accountability. You libs just want to hand it all over to the state. I guess I will just go read ‘The Art of War’ and ‘The Wealth of Nations’ again!

By Rev. Wright

May 6, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

truthman, I find it ironic that the republicans carry the southern states. The policies of the GOP are completely against the best interests of your average southerner (white, poor, religious)

Lets say i’m an average southern… i have a kid in highschool about to go to college

the democrats say, “Send him on! the US gov’t will pay for it!”

the republicans say, “if he can’t pay for it, stay out of college and work at the local walmart, with a lil hard work he might make head cashier by 40!”

The republicans are all about a small, almost non-existent social safety net… contrary to what most southerns need.

Well, anyways… maybe a little more time in school and a little less time in church would change this!

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

By The Devil You say May 6, 2008 12:41 PM However, the Democrat party has in the past routinely embraced racists and race baiters. It still does. There are many out there right now defending the Most Wrong Reverend. I never hear anyone calling for Robert C. “Sheets” Byrd’s resignation. Well

OK, I’m here for one more comment and I’m off!!! Devil, I never said the Democrat party never embraced racists and race baiters. I actually said many of the racist democrats had switched to the republican party! Some (democrats) probably still are (racist) but I think they have exited the party en masse.

I don’t believe I ever heard of the Republicans calling for the resignation of Strom Thurmond from South Carolina. Ya know, that old soul that sat in his seat with his eyelids propped open for years, until he finally departed for worlds beyond. I also NEVER said the KKK was part of the R party. I said many of the racist KKK TYPE democrats, i.e. the way they think. Remember George Wallace? Please don’t run on about me saying he was a KKK. Ain’t sayin that! I am saying he was a conservative, southern, racist. Enough of this foolishness.

One more thing….Rev. Wright at 12:33. It DOES make sense to be a neocon when your rolling in money; however, I know some who are poor as a junk yard dog and think they’re R’s. Could they be racist, bigots, finatics of other persuasions?

On another note I do have a coupla R friends who are sane. Good people but slightly misguided. They can’t help it though. I’m outta here now!!!

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Sorry about the bad spelling, mea culpa - Conservatism is based on a set of sound principLES.

By The Devil You say

May 6, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Morningstar - your implication was clear. And I also pointed out that Strom Thurmond apologized for his segregationist stands. I actually heard him do so on numerous occasions. I also remember that, unlike most Republicans in the post civil rights South, he continued to get a rather large percentage of the African-American vote.

George Wallace was also NOT a conservative. He was a populist demagogue whose economic policies were much closer to Bill Clinton than to Ronald Reagan. He most definitely governed like a Democrat when I lived in Alabama in the 1980s.

The Democrat party is still the party using race and race baiting in order to divide the nation, just as they still use the same old class-warfare lines. The odd part is that the ones screaming the class-warfare lines the loudest are the ones with the most money - e.g. Bill and Hillary and Teddy and the Johns, Kerry and Edwards.

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

When McCain loved Robert Bork

By Paul

May 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Rev Wright

“maybe a little more time in school and a little less time in church would change this!”

Whaaaat? People should follow your example. Less time in school and more time in church! Then they could get a 10,000 sf multimillion dollar house. In a white, gated, golf course community. And buy a couple of Mercedes Benzs for $147,000 (didja experience any oppression when you pulled out your checkbook?).

More church, less school. Yup, that seems to be the formula for success.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Hey Devil, why are you answering my notes to Dusty?

Are you two one and the same person?

Either way, your words are the drivel of a southern neo-con the likes of which Rev. Wright and I are discussing on this very blog!

No one ever asked Trent Lott to resign, but he talks to the “Concerned Citizens Group,” which is nothing more than Klansmen in suits, and the neo-conmen and women are just fine with that.

Mendacity!!!

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{Bruno may not like the story, but her supporters love it: The sheet metal workers union official in Portage, Indiana cited by Evan Bayh had praised her “testicular fortitude”}}}}

{{{{Also last week, a New York Post columnist wrote that she’d won the “cojones primary.”}}}}

{{{{And James Carville, the Clintons’ ubiquitous former aide, booster, and informal adviser made the point even more vividly, giving Clinton a two-gonad edge on her primary rival, Senator Barack Obama. “If she gave him one of her cojones, they’d both have two,” Carville said.}}}}

So this freak really does have balls, eh?

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Truthman aka liar @12:34

In reference to the female soldier, you posted that she was “kicked” from her unit. YOU TRIED TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE ARMY ‘KICKED’ HER OUT OF THE SERVICE. They did not. But that is the big lie you tried to fool readers into believing.

And why do you twist and turn with the truth? Because, you and many other liberals here will post anything you think makes America look bad. The reason behind that is because George Bush is President and you turned into a two bit anti-American liberal from hate because you lost an election.

The examples are so numerous here. IN THE NEWS posts what can be called insinuated lies. A bit of deception twisted into something which sounds like truth. AJCManagement decries this technique in the AJC as he can rightfully do.

The whole thing is it hurts the country. Truthful disagreements are one thing but deception is another. Truthman, like several others here, is a deceiver.

By IN THE NEWS

May 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

YES DUSTY IS THE SAME PERSON AS DEVIL.

SO IS RB, DUH, MAD AS ZELL, ANDY and AJC MGMNT.

IT’S GETTING SLOPPIER AS IT GETS MORE DESPERATE!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Rev Wright 12:44 aka Truthman

You say the army discriminates against women & minorities. Really?

Why don’t you run down to an enlistment office with your female and minority friends and see if they get turned down only for that reason? You simply do not know what you are talking about and making up the rest.

The army is full of minorites and many women. Your comments come because you are another liberal trying to make anything American look bad. You, Truthman & IN THE NEWS must read the same liberal hate propaganda.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

A Cheney wish list:

“I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull d*kes, train robbers, bank robbers, a-kickers, st-kickers and Methodists.”

-Hedley Lamar in “Blazing Saddles”

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS aka the one and only liberal poster here and she cannot post the truth any time. I CAN USE CAPITAL LETTERS TOO.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

No, Dustbomb, I didn’t!

You just assumed - and we all know what that does - wrongly!

Go cry in you cornflakes! I care not for you neo-con drivel.

“Be gone before somebody drops a house on you!”

-Glenda, the good witch of the North

By truthman

May 6, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

She was “kicked out of her unit,” dork-meister, she was not kicked out of the Army.

All you ever had to do was Google “Female Silver Star Winner” and you would’ve figured it out for your little self!!

Dimbulb!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Truthman@2:13

That was not Cheney’s wish list. That was the list of liberal bloggers on the Luckovich fiasco (except for Methodists).

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Truthman,”Kicked out! Kicked out!! Kicked Out!! Those were YOUR words.

You tried to make everyone think a female soldier was “kicked out” of the Army. She was not but you gave that impression to make the USA Army look bad.

Stop retreating. That let’s us see the yellow stripe down your back.

By AmVet

May 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

OK, from the top.

The undeniable truth is that it was primarily LIBERALS, black and white (and other) liberals, who started, fought for (and in some cases dying) and ultimately created, the Civil Rights era and the end of one of the more ugly chapters in our history. And sewed the beginnings of a semblance of sanity, justice and compassion in American racial matters.

“Conservative” voting/thinking Americans, especially but not limited to the Dixie Democrats of the Deep South, had to in many, many cases, be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern realities.

And this is undeniably true in regards to numerous other social advancements in this country.

Liberals are generally not afraid to implement sudden and drastic changes when warranted (for better and worse). Conservatives are more into the status quo (or in the more reactionary neo-con cases - the past) and like change to be more gradual and less dramatic. If at all.

Both serve their functions in this nation, though sadly IMHO, effective, rational, real conservatism seems to have ground to a halt under this administration.

I watched part of a great program (Frontline?) last night about Bush 41.

How, after his election in 1988, he almost immediately ditched a lot of that Reagan nonsense. MUCH to the dismay of the newly emboldened and first generation of fake conservatives in the GOP.

I remember when his train-wreck of a son was (s)elected in 2000, wishing beyond wish that he too would be a closet moderate.

Alas, as I suspected, he turned out to be a rabid far right-wing ideologue of the most inept and deadly kind.

truthman, that quote from Hedley is a classic!

And speaking of clever, Dustbomb?

I’ve heard of dirty bombs, so this must be the blogging version!

By just for the record:

May 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dusty is an annoying little twit, but somebody needs to put an end to her twisted lying ways.

From yesterday:

By truthman

May 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Notice how Dusty only applies the term “hero” to men.

I guess the female Soldier who earned the Silver Star in Iraq, and then was ——>kicked out of her unit<——- because she was…gasp…a female, is not a hero?

From today:

As I truthfully reported (I AM Truthman, you know), not only did 18-year-old Monica Brown earn the Silver Star, the third-highest award for galantry in the face of an opposing force, ——>she was dismissed from the unit<——- because she is - gasp! - a female.

Learn to read old girl, twisting and claiming that someone lies does not make it true. The proof is always there.

By mm

May 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

It’s pure irony that a wingnut would use the word elitist to describe a liberal.

Which party caters to the elite and rich? The GOP.

Devil, you’ve worn out the word “elitist”. You need to find a new buzzword du jour.

As for actual elitists, look at the posts of Devil, RW, Duh, RB, Dusty, @@, etc.

They think they are always right. They think they are smarter. They think they are better. They think they are more patriotic.

Funny stuff indeed.

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Just for the Record@2:42

Yesterday I quoted, FROM THE DICTIONARY, the meaning of ‘hero’ word for word. The dictionary used the world ‘man’ in its definition. The dictionary is WHAT? Prejudiced? Lying?

You are either ignorant or subversive or both. I would say both.

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

By The Devil You say May 6, 2008 1:17 PM | Morningstar - your implication was clear. And I also pointed out that Strom Thurmond apologized for his segregationist stands. I actually heard him do so on numerous occas

My, My, sugga bugga now ain’t that sweet? Me believes Geo Wallace also apologized. One must wonder if political asperations could influence? Huh? Huh? At any rate, it makes no ‘nevermind’ to me. The records stand. Go have a sweet roll with Dusty and ‘be sweet.’

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

{{{{What happens in that nation is that people do become isolated, they do live in a level of division, because see when you’re that busy struggling all the time, which most people that you know and I know are, see you don’t have time to get to know your neighbors, you don’t have time to reach out and have conversations to share stories, in fact you feel very alone in your struggle because you feel somehow it must be your fault that you’re struggling that hard, everybody else must be doing ok, I must be doing something wrong, so you hide…What happens in that kind of nation is that people are afraid. Because when your world’s not right no matter how hard you work, then you become afraid of everyone and everything, because you don’t know whose fault it is, why you can’t get a handle on life, why you can’t secure a better future for your kids.}}}}

{{{{“Our fear,” Mrs. Obama says, “is helping us to raise a nation of young doubters, young people who are insular and they’re timid, and they don’t try >>>>>>>because they already heard us tell them why they can’t succeed.”<<<<<<<<}}}}

So who is the one telling them they “cannot succeed,” other than this dimwit?

Unfreaking real, what a babbling moron, if this is what this psychotic really thinks is the problem with America, then according to HER OWN WORDS, SHE is the problem for instilling a false sense of despair.

And it is beyond her level of comprehension to even understand this.

Sick.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

So, “Dustbomb” is actually a “Dustbag!”

Wow! I expect men to be neo-conmen, but it’s always a shock when I discover a woman who supports the mysogenistic men of the neo-con zombie brigade!

As someone far smarter than I once said, “A woman voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders!”

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

mm@2:54

Elitist? You mean someone that uses the dictionary? Or doesn’t lie? Or supports the military and the country? Or does not try to incriminate an American war hero? Or does not declare bigotry when there is none? Or respects the American flag? Or will pledge allegiance to America? Or does not make fun of “God Bless America”? Or does not forge the President’s military records?

Maybe you are correct, mm. Conservatives should be called “elitist”. Certainly not liberals.

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

It’s late in the day and Morningstar is tired of ‘early morning discussions’ with some of the faithful few. Here’s something from “The American Proscpect” that might be interesting to some.

Check this out: May 2008 “The American prospect.” ((((The candidate who, despite his prostetations in a March speech that he “hates war,” not only stridently backed the 2003 invasion of Iraq but has spent years calling on the United States to depose every dictator in the world. He’s the candidate of ratcheting-up action against North Korea and Iran, of new efforts to undermine the United Nations, and of new cold wars with Russia and China. Rather than hating war, he sees it as integral to the greatness of the nation))))

What next? A 100 year war? Glad it’s yours and not mine…..You go wingnuts!!!!!!!!!!!!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Dustbag, you just live in your own little rubber room, don’t you?

You make Joe McCarthy proud!

By mm

May 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You said you “use” the dictionary. But I don’t think you actually READ it.

Elitist is not a good thing. But you admitted you are an elitist.

And no matter how many times you blowhard wingnuts try to claim patriotic superiority, you can’t make it a fact.

I want to bring our troops home to safety. You want to have them killed in a foreign country’s civil war because you are scared of the big bad muslims. Boo hoo.

I’m proud of our troops and support them. But I don’t have to support the war we are fighting.

By The Devil You Say

May 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

No, Falseman, I am not answering for Dusty, but as this is a blog, I assumed it is an open discussion. Sorry.

Yes, Lott did talk to the concerned citizens group, and he did eat crow over it. I still don’t see Barak Obama doing a mea culpa over serving on a board with a man who brags about being a TRAITOR by the constitutional definition. Comparing Lott to those who preceded him in Mississippi (all Democrats) is really quite laughable. You need to look up Theodore Bilbo and James Eastland, both of whom supported the New Deal. Bilbo was such a racist reprobate that the Republican Senate in 1947 refused to seat him after his reelection. He died in March and John C. Stennis, who was marginally better, was appointed in his stead. Sorry to burst your bubble about your precious Democrat race-baiting party.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

How about we all just acknowledge that there is still a significant problem with racism in our country - north, south, east and west (ever been to Boston? Detroit? Chicago? Talk about tenuous race relations!) - Let’s try to rise above the race-baiting that our politicians and media use a a wedge issue that benefits no one!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Truthman 3:03

You are not even good at ‘name-calling’. Others just as ignorant as you have had more imagination.

Now you will say that you are not calling the USA Army “mysogenistic men of the neo-con zombie brigade”.

No sir. That is just a nice liberal hate expression that in no way refers to our troops. Uh huh.

It is your way of expressing hate against America.

Are you a misinformed woman or just somebody stirring up trouble against your country? Either way, you sound like a brain washed liberal.

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

mm, sweet candy piece@3:22

Why don’t you “use the dictionary”? Look up ‘quote’, ‘read’, ‘truth’, ‘lie’. I don’t believe you know the meaning of any of those words.

Please don’t tell our troops the ways you support them. Our enemies love to read your “support” and think it is all for them. It sounds like it.

Truthman @3:15

More trash….

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

By Dusty May 6, 2008 2:56 PM Just for the Record@2:42 Yesterday I quoted, FROM THE DICTIONARY, the meaning of ‘hero’ word for word. The dictionary used the world ‘man’ in its definition. The dictionary is WHAT? Prejudiced? Lying? You are either ignorant or subversive or both. I would say both.

By The Devil You say May 6, 2008 11:10 AM Morningstar - using the dictionary definition is not always the best way to go, as languages are fluid and evolve. The meanings of the words liberal and conservative are quite different now than they were when those parties dominated

OooooKaaaa….. Check further posts. Y’all have a great evening now..Ya heah?

By GMAN

May 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

The Devil You say

To you, an elitest is anyone who doesn’t misuse the english language, desn’t drink beer with the boys, and doesn’t think only about themselves. You and those like you have lowered the bar for the highest office in the land. Shame on you. THE CRACKER FACTOR IS ALIVE AND WELL!

By just for the record:

May 6, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Dusty old girl,

You used a dictionary. Good girl. So what does that have to do with your claim that truthman said the army girl was kicked out of the army? And what does that have to do with your sick idea of his non-patriotism?

I know that you must be proud of yourself for using the dictionary, we all are proud of your accomplishments. The next step in your evolution to the world of those with an education higher than that of a 1st grader would be to explain your definition of logic, or rather how you go from step A to step B in your thinking process.

But then again, you always twist anything a liberal says in your vacant little brain. In your brain, it’s like this:

Liberal says A, Dusty hears B and then turns that into liberal who said A is therefore unpatriotic.

Your story is old.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Dust-burger!

Oh, I’m so hurt. Your opinion of me is SOOOO important…NOT!!!

Yes, Joe McCarthy would be proud of you!!

By Copyleft

May 6, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Actually, Dusty, our “enemies” are most encouraged by simpleminded support like yours, for a simpleminded and failed policy that guarantees an endless, pointless war.

It’s anti-American attitudes like Dusty’s that ensure more of our American soldiers suffer and die needlessly. And, ironically, Dusty considers that “supportive.”

While we SANE people, who see a bad blunder for what it is and want to cut our losses ans save our soldiers’ lives… well, you’ve seen what she calls us. Or anyone who disagrees with her Bush Holy War. To her, that’s “un-patriotic” and “encouraging our enemies.”

No, Dusty. YOU’RE encouraging our enemies with your blind cheerleading for Bush’s Blunder. In fact, your oh-so-enthusiastic support does more than encourage them… it makes you one of them.

Why do you hate America? Why do you hate our troops? Why have you never understood what it means to love our country?

By Paul

May 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Copyleft - truthman

Do either of you think a withdrawal - structure a withdrawal any way you like, but for this purpose I like to think in terms of a compete evacuation, not the Hillary/Obama model of relocation within the country or region - do either of you think that will in any way affect (lessen) jihadists’ hatred towards us or will significantly decrease their worldwide operations against the West?

Got to thinking about this as I’ve heard a lot about “ending” the war. All that will end is American involvement at current levels in Iraq. Nothing else much changes. In fact, carnage may well accelerate.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Yes, Dust-bunny! Why DO you hate our troops?

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Just for the Record @3:51 & Truthman@3:56 & Copyleft@3:59

More trash showing excuses and the inability to reason. Try vitamins. That might help.

By Midori

May 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Dust-bunny is right.

she’s as dumb as dirt.

she’s been preaching the same lunacy here from day one, and gets shriller and stupider by the day.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

I just cannot understand a woman who would be so blind to her own self-interest.

McCain votes against equal pay for women because it will cause “a lot of lawsuits!”

WTF!?! That is just plain stupid, plus very misogynistic. Of course, this is the same man that calls his wife a c**t!!

Support him at your own risk, Dustmop!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Midori 4:30

Ahh…even MORE trash. You need something stronger than vitamins, Midori. Try cranberry juice with your B12 and valium.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Do you really believe 10-15,000 jihadists can bring an end to Western Civilization?

How?

How can they invade without a standing Army, Navy or Air Force?

Do you think one morning bin Laden is going to send out a special signal that transforms all of us into “Stepford” jihadist zombies?

You just go hide under your desk with Rove and Dust-bunny and Devil and RW.

Are you really scared of 10-15,000 jihadists? Amazing! Simply amazing!! We’re not the Incas!

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

4:35

It’s piling high!!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

truthman

My question was “what changes?” Not “should we be afraid of jihadists?”

By truthman

May 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

There will be no changes as long as we unilaterally support Israel at the expense of the Palestinians.

Bush wanted “deomcracy” in the Middle East, and he got it when Hamas was elected democratically and overwhelmingly…be careful what you ask for, W!

Israel is the linchpin of all of our troubles in the Mideast and the Islamic world.

By Dusty

May 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Courage, brother, after Truthman’s last statement……

Theirs is not to reason why,

Theirs is but to blunder by…….

Good night and good luck!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

truthman

So you discount the writings of OBL - the aims of other jihadist groups, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, followons to the Armed Islamic Group in Algeria, the several groups in Pakistan focused for the time being on Indians and Hindus?

While some jihadists are focused on Israel, not all jihadists exclude anything not Israel. Writers have dealt at length with their ideas of the Caliphate, restoring Islamic rule to those areas formerly Islamic - runs all the way to Spain, by the way.

So I understand your position is, if the US withdrew all support for Israel and gave full support to Palestinians, that we’d have no further problems with jihadists?

By AmVet

May 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

“There will be no changes as long as we unilaterally support Israel at the expense of the Palestinians.”

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

I always laugh at the idiotic right wing talking heads who blather on about how the mooslims hate us because of our freedoms.

But then these are the brainiacs who explain ALL of the problems with American public education solely on the NEA and ALL of the problems with American industry on the unions.

How do you spell moron?

N-E-O-C-O-N.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Paul, nice try at the Hannitizing” of the discussion. It goes something like this:

Caller makes good point that Hannity cannot counter, so Hannity says something completely stupid like “So if we don’t support Israel anymore and totally support the Palestinians, we won’t have any more trouble in the Middle East?”

The smart caller, realizing he/she is talking to an idiot, hangs up!

Thanks AmVet! It’s really simple when one thinks about it. But, of course, the reason we support Israel and its Nazi-istic treatment of the Palestinians is because some god says they are the “chosen people,” whatever that means!! So, we put all of eggs in Israel’s basket because when Israel call at 3 a.m., their god answers.

Religion - what a waste!!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Actually, AmVet, if one doesn’t equate “freedoms” with “democracy” - which is itself an abomination to Islamists,

If one looks at the “freedoms” Westerners take for granted - individualism, freedom from religious authority, self determination and full equality for women, ability to say, read and watch pretty much whatever you want,

and if you examine a Moslem fundamentalist’s view of that,

then I think one can rather accurately say “they hate us for our freedoms.”

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

AmVet…Oh, those terrible unions!! Look at all the awful things they’ve done to ruin American’s lives - even Repugs:

No child labor!

40-hour work week!

Health care for workers!

Paid vacation!

Safety measures on the job!

Collective bargaining!

Yep, those unions sure are bad!!!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

-=-

The statesman who yields to war fever…is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

~Winston Churchill

O, it is excellent To have a giant’s strength! But it is tyrannous To use it like a giant.

~William Shakespeare

The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor.

~Ronald Reagan

To wage war, you need first of all money; second, you need money, and third, you also need money.

~Prince Montecuccoli

By Here Come the Judge

May 6, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

America’s failures-

Education- NEA

Industry- Unions

Social- Activist judges

(Don’t forget about the activist judges.)

By @@

May 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Morningstar @ 10:28:

Bad choice of words in my 9:03. Make that “substantial knowledge” in MANY subjects. I was thinking of my husband whom I believe is capable of anything. If the knowledge is necessary, he acquires it, retains it and applies it. My husband amazes me. He doesn’t understand why. That’s humility!

On the other hand, we have a friend who is a physician. He knows only what’s necessary to perform his duties as a physician and nothing more. Yet, he’s humble enough to seek my husband’s advice on those things outside his (Doc’s) area of expertise. Doc’s wife is a small-town country girl without any formal education.

Our group of friends is a mixed bag. Doc often feels out of place. Not because of anything the group does. Gotta loosen him up first…then he’s just like the rest of us, able to enjoy life without pretense.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

So Paul, how do they get to America?

How do they invade? What ships/planes/submarines do they own?

What ports of embarkation do they control so they can mass their forces?

What is their logistical support? How are their fighting forces sustained overseas?

What satellite systems do they own to track the movements of their enemies, as well as of their own forces? Where is their version of NORAD?

What armor do they own? 20-year-old Soviet T-62 and T-72 tanks?

Answer those questions, please! And don’t give more “Hannitizations,” OK?

Give me concise, cogent answers! Can you do that and only that?

The current jihadist are about equal to the Ethiopian Army when the Germans/Italians attacked them in WWII.

Obviously, you fear fear itself!

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Yeah, “moron:”

{{{{Osama bin Laden’s Letter to America- The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s.}}}}

Uh huh, they don’t seem to mind our freedom’s at all.

They must hate us because of Bushie!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

truthman

Say what?

I asked, initially, if you think a withdrawal from Iraq “will in any way affect (lessen) jihadists’ hatred towards us or will significantly decrease their worldwide operations against the West?”

You responded by asking why we should be afraid of jihadists, then posited a scenario that’s pretty classic military (which is why we had so much difficulty in Iraq at first).

I responded that my question was, what changes? Not “should we be afraid of Jihadists?”

Well, then you responded nothing changes. Then you cited US support of Israel as the source of our difficulties.

I missed your “nothing changes” then noted numerous jihadist groups have aims other than the destruction of Israel.

Your response was kinda namecalling (the Hannity thing). Really, you did one of his tactics - don’t answer a question but ask one instead. In your case, you asked a bunch. I asked for clarification - you spoke in absolutes so I asked if that’s what you meant. You didn’t say “modify support” or “change policy.” Is that what you meant?

But to me a key understanding is in your 4:51 - nothing changes (as long as we unilaterally support Israel). You may want to check US aid numbers for the Palestinians before repeating that.

So, if nothing changes as long as we unilaterally support Israel, any thoughts on what changes occur in jihadists’ views and actions toward us if we take a more balanced approach to Israel and the Palestinians?

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Yes “judge,” activist judges who try to shove one religion down our throats at the expense of all others are America’s failures.

Judges who try to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body are America’s failures.

Overseas sweatshops owned by rich Americans using child labor overseas to sidestep the wonderful work of American unions are America’s failures.

Thanks for pointing that out! You’re a real peach!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Just answer my questions! Can you do that?

Sound of phone hanging up…Click!

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

{{{{By truthman May 6, 2008 5:29 PM How do they invade? What ships/planes/submarines do they own, blah, blah, blah?}}}}

Gee, umm, let’s see here, perhaps they would hijack some airliners and fly them into our office buildings?

Or maybe light off a nuke in Midtown?

Duh.

By Paul

May 6, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

truthman

I’d really appreciate clarification from my 5:32 - and I won’t even wait to address your 5:29.

The questions in your 5:29 strike me as the same kind of erroneous thinking made by America’s generals at the start of the Iraq campaign. They were still thinking in nation-state military models. You know, countries with borders with military forces just like ours.

But that’s not what we face. Took a while to realize that. It’s a big reason Gen Petraeus is going to take over Centcom - it’s kinda like he’s the one working on lithium-ion batteries for next-generation cars while the other people are asking “hey, how can we get more power out of this V-8 for our SUVs?

So the short answer is, they won’t and they don’t. And the longer answer is, it doesn’t matter. Because it’s the ideology combined with the willingness - even the duty - one small cell with nonstandard weapons can inflict.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, Israel…..

Did you ever notice that a “progressive” foreign policy always involves the wholesale slaughter of someone friendly to us to appease someone who isn’t?

By truthman

May 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

First of all, Paul, GEN Shinseki told the idiot Rumsfeld that he needed a force of 500k to take, hold and pacify Iraq, and he was summarily fired.

So, I’m not sure which generals to whom you are referring.

Second, I figured you couldn’t/wouldn’t answer because you have no answers.

AJC mismanagement…so, if either of those things happen, it will be the downfall of the West? We’ll just capitulate and all start speaking Farsi?

You are such a maroon, as Bugs Bunny would say!!

Answer the questions, chickenhawks!!

Bawk, Bawk, Bawk!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

truthman

Gen Shinseki had announced his retirement months before he gave his testimony. So he wasn’t “fired.” That’s another of the enduring myths.

Gen Shinseki was the Army’s Chief of Staff. Not in the line of authority for combat ops in Iraq. He was responsible for finding the people to feed to Centcom. He was right about turmoil post-invasion. But that wasn’t on the radar screen of the generals - such as Gen Franks - who were responsible - or the Chairman, JCS - who as principal military advisor to the Pres could have raised the issue. BTW - he was Air Force. Probably another reason SecDef Gates isn’t too happy with them.

I thought my answer was clear. You asked about jihadists’ planes, tanks, subs, amphibious transport, etc etc etc. I responded that’s classic, old-school military thinking. The nation-state model doesn’t apply to jihadists. The driving, and uniting factor, is their ideology. That’s why we hear the phrase “nonstate” sponsors of terrorism. Because they don’t have a state, or an air force, or a navy or an army.

And it doesn’t really matter.

I hope that’s clear? Not understanding an answer doesn’t mean one wasn’t offered.

So now it’s your turn. Clarification from earlier. Do you really think if the US implemented a more balanced approach to Israel and the Palestinians that jihadists ideology, as well as actions, would change?

Can we please speed this up? I’ve got a dinner date waiting. Gotta keep one’s priorities straight.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Grayson Wrestling booster club treasurer arrested in theft of thousands.

I’ll bet he was a church-going Bush Supporter!!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 6, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

-=-

It takes more courage to get out of a war than it does to get into one.

~Mark Couturier

-

Liberty and democracy become unholy when their hands are dyed red with innocent blood.

~Mahatma Gandhi

-

The war on terrorism is akin to the war on drugs…unwinable, unless you kill everyone…or address the root causes.

~K. W. Ibrahim

-=-

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Who was Air Force? Not Shinseki and certainly not Franks as I used to work under him, indrectly, at Third Army at Fort McPherson.

Yes, I do! As AmVet amplified for me, that is the crux of America’s problems with Muslims.

Yes, America would be better received in the world.

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Perhaps today shall be the day that we see the dimokrats forever cast off Bruno, setting her afloat in the sea of idiocy that has become the United States Senate under dimokrat control, from where her and Blinky Pelosi can scratch at each others eyes and make stupid public spectacles of themselves.

Ahh, the very thought of being rid of this Bruno sends thee shivers up me spine, be still my beating heart.

Well, at least until it reemerges from it’s exile in O 12 as some freako morphodite, pandering to the weirdo moonbats in some disgusting form that only they could admire, trying to win back the votes she lost this time around to thee black man.

And then we will only have thee exalted emitter of huge gaseous airclouds of absolute nothingness, he that excites the dim and stunted, making them to faint, scream and blubber like moony eyed cattle in thee fields.

And thee dimwit wifie, who blames the hopelessness of America on those who call America hopeless, all of this sailing right past her forehead like some Airbus 380, with out even causing the first bit of realization or self awareness.

I’m kinda looking forward to this battle.

Heh.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Paul, don’t forget the air compressor so you can inflate your date!!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

truthman

I was referring to AF General Myers, Chairman, JCS, during much of our Iraq involvement.

Okay, so you think if the US had a more evenhanded approach towards Israel and the Palestinians, that jihadist ideology and actions would change.

How? Would they cease calling for the obliteration of Israel? The establishment of their caliphate? The destruction of the West? These are all things they call for regularly. I’m trying to understand what you think would change - and more importantly, why you think so.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Another Bush criminal gets his comeuppance!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/fbi.raid/index.html

Scott Bloch, next inmate at GTMO!!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

Who is “they?” Syria? Hardly a threat! Iran? Hardly a threat! Democraticially elected Hamas? Let President Carter do his job and they’ll come around.

You just prefer to be afraid. It’s so much easier to remain hateful and ignorant!

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{By truthman May 6, 2008 5:53 PM AJC mismanagement…so, if either of those things happen, it will be the downfall of the West? We’ll just capitulate and all start speaking Farsi?}}}}

Oh yeah, truthie, losing a million or so people in Midtown Atl is no big deal, is it, the rest of us will be just inconvenienced by all the missing roads and buildings but comforted by the knowledge that the dead probably deserved killing, those evil Americans.

Sickie.

~~~~~~

Does anyone know if Queen Pinko plans on giving us a forum tonite from which we can ridicule her from?

By N-GA

May 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Paul,

All too often we hear someone comment in the media about how so-and-so is out of touch with the average American. So I would like your thoughts on the following:

I was in town on Monday (my local little town) here in North Georgia getting a haircut. Yes, there is a real barber pole outside, and they put real shaving cream on the back of your neck and use a straight razor, too.

I asked my barber what the word was on the economy. The answer - absolute disaster! A brief discussion followed about how many people have lost homes, property, automobiles, etc. This was followed by (verbatim): And these folks aren’t even deadbeats! Do you think a small town barber shop is connected to real Americans?

My favorite distilled beverage used to cost the liquor store $55/btl wholesale ($68.99 retail). It is now $74 wholesale. Watch out for serious inflation with little expansion in the economic sectors (stagflation?). $2.87 + tax for a loaf of Nature’s Own bread? There are some who would be suggesting that Jimmy Carter must still be president.

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Gingrich warns GOP of ‘real disaster’ this fall!

The Hill

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gingrich-warns-gop-of-real-disaster-this-fall-2008-05-06.html

First, George Will and now the Newter says the Repugs will be thoroughly spanked in November!

Oh the joy!!!

Liberals will love ‘08!!

By truthman

May 6, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

“A million people in Midtown…”

There aren’t a million people in all of Atlanta, let alone Midtown. But, since you’re so rabidly homophobic, you’d probably dance all around your mommy’s basement!!

You are just as afraid as Paul. Why don’t you two enlist and go fight the jihadists face-to-face!?!

By Glenn

May 6, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Nice work, Paul.

I’d say you deserve a dinner befitting a king.

Just in case, though, I’m boning up on my Farsi. Don’t get me wrong; I draw the line at Arabic, but you know, just in case. Forensicskin has guaranteed me safe passage with the Grand Islamofascist of Jerusalem, so I reckon I’ll be OK in the event that you should falter in your efforts to convince AmVet & Co. that it’s not good that those people should want to kill us and our kin and friends & such.

Also, I keep a wire saw sewn into my boot top, and I recommend you do the same if you’re not already doing. But don’t think that indicates any lack of confidence on my part. I’m with you one hundred and nine percent. Down the line. All the way.

Bon appetit!

By Paul

May 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

truthman 6:27

Where’d Syria and Iran come from? We were discussing jihadists - Islamic terrorism - those who practice religious terrorism rooted in their interpretations of Islam.

So the question remains - for jihadists. Not countries. I do not understand upon what basis you conclude radical Islamic fundamentalists will change their centuries-old ideology (Wahabbists) or decades-old (al Qaeda) simply because we lessen support for Israel and increase it for Palestinians. What in their writings or pronouncements leads you to that conclusion?

Hello N-GA

I like those shops. The guy I go to doesn’t use the lather but does the dusting with Pinauds. Doctoral dissertations have been written linking scent with memory.

I know much of the arguments goes around and around about definitions (“two quarters of negative growth” - “negative growth” - what a term) and all. But I think you illustrate what is obvious to many - perception rules. One can quote inflation rates, economic indices, joblessness, etc etc to one’s heart’s content. Even if good by historical standards, if people don’t think all’s well, that’s what really matters.

And I think one other thing - regardless of the now, I think many people are very, very uneasy about the future - even if they can’t put their finger on it. Deficits. What they hear about funding social security and medicare. Seeing health care costs rise while their premiums increase and coverage decreases. Seeing friends in tough times (even if their decisions contributed, what the still see are friends in tough times). Getting rid of vehicles because it costs too much to operate. Or worse, not being able to get rid of it because they can’t afford something better.

So yeah, I think a small-town barber’s connected. And I think (from my small-town visit a couple months back) people aren’t extravagant in what they want for themselves and their families. Not at all.

By RW-(the original)

May 6, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

In the just-published issue of National Review, Stanley Kurtz provides a detailed look at Rev. Wright’s black liberation theolgy. He concludes that “the only thing worse than quoting Jeremiah Wright out of context is quoting him in context.”

{{{{{Kurtz inevitably considers the question of Obama’s decision to remain in Wright’s church. He writes: “Nearly every sermon Wright preaches, as well as his now-infamous bulletins and church magazines, is filled with his radicalism, and it’s therefore impossible not to conclude that Obama was broadly attracted to Wright’s politics.”}}}}}

{{{{{Significantly, Wright’s radicalism sparked a mass exodus from the church on several occasions. By 1975, nearly all of the members who had invited Wright to become their pastor in 1972 had defected. In 1983, “a group of particularly active and prominent members uncomfortable with Wright left Trinity…for a local Pentacostal Apostolic church.” Wright’s radicalism also caused his relations with the United Church of Christ to be rocky at times.}}}}}

{{{{{These facts make Obama’s decision to remain in Wright’s flock all the more telling.}}}}

By Morningstar

May 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

By @@ May 6, 2008 5:27 PM Morningstar @ 10:28: Bad choice of words in my 9:03. Make that “substantial knowledge” in MANY subjects. I was thinking of my husband whom I believe is capable of anything.

OKaaay…Similar thinking applies to my husband, but I draw the line in thinking he’s capable of anything….we disagree in many areas, but he’s one of the most informed individuals I know. Some of the most informed people I have met never attended college/university or whatever. Anyhoo, it’s complicated. Too complicated to place individuals in a ‘box.’ Nighty-night….off to dinner…

By AJC Management

May 6, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

{{{{By truthman May 6, 2008 6:32 PM There aren’t a million people in all of Atlanta, let alone Midtown.}}}}

You should try counting during a workday, dimwit, although I’m pretty sure you have no idea what work is.

And I may be wrong too, it could only be a hundred thousand or so, so them getting incinerated would be no big deal either, right?

Weirdo.

{{{{You are just as afraid as Paul. Why don’t you two enlist and go fight the jihadists face-to-face!?!}}}}

Oh boy, truthie, did that outburst make you wood up? Such a thoughtful and clever response, I’m mean really, if you live in America and want your loved ones to be safe you should go fight, even if you are crippled, newborn babies, the elderly, it makes no difference.

It’s funny isn’t it, that even if a soldier does go to fight in Iraq, he still has not earned the right from you wormy little POS not to be falsely accused, called a baby killer, spit on at the airport, have his mission denigrated everyday by a bunch of as-sholes that are more propagandists for the terrorists than they are journalists.

So what the F are you talking about?

By Paul

May 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

truthman - Glenn (I think the namejacker?)

Kinda sad. I just ask a few questions to clarify some assertions. I could have drawn directly from the writings of some (without attribution) but instead paraphrased and asked, why do you think they’ll change their ideology?

And all you can reply with is mocking, or accusations of “fear.” I just rather figured people had some rational basis for their opinions and assessments and I’d learn something from finding out what. Apparently not.

By Glenn

May 6, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

‘Twas I, Paul. Not a jacker. It was just my odd way of congratulating you for backing them into their becoming apologists for the salafis. Well played.

Cheers.

By @@

May 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Heeyyyyyyy, the AJC fails in their efforts to conserve energy.

You left the lights on in here ml.

Criminey! why inconvenience myself with conservation when you don’t.

Pull the plug on the AJC.

Shameful, just SHAMEFUL!

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