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By Conservative Joe
April 29, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Mary Jo saved us from Teddy Kennedy.
Wright will save us from Barak Hussien.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Ahh, yes, the “passion” of Obambi, thee liberal savior of thee world and Most Merciful Giver of Government Benefits.
Hosanna’s anyone?
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{{{{The billions of dollars arriving in our mailboxes and bank accounts between now and July is not our money; it is cash that the federal government has had borrow —- much of it from foreign lenders —- on the promise that our children and grandchildren will pay it back someday with interest.-Kookman, Urinal}}}}
Dear Mr. Kookman-
US Treasury 1500 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20220
Here’s your chance to show that you truly believe what you say and you are not just taking this opportunity to throw a fit.
Mail it back.
In front of the cameras.
You will be famous.
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{{{{“The objections are merely anecdotal and based on the unproven perception that minority groups such as African-Americans do not possess identification documents to the same degree as Caucasians.”- Justice John Paul “Pinko” Stevens}}}}
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{{{{Asked to explain why he was speaking out now, Jeremiah Wright paraphrased from the book of proverbs: “It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”}}}}
What a fool.
By truthman
April 29, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this
AJC Management/Duh/Andi is wrong!
AJC Management/Duh/Andi is dead wrong
Rev. Wright, an ex-Marine who was part of the LBJ’s medical team, has done more for America than McInsane’s Rev. John Hagee ever dreamed of doing.
Hagee is the real nutcase in this. It’s just that the corporate-owned white media won’t go after the white guy!!
Stupid Andi!
By @@
April 29, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
We tried to warn them ml. Idol worship and all.
Rev. Wright with his worship of hatred….
Obama with his worship of Rev. Wright….
sins of the father….
and now you, The Liberals’ Prophet foretells the future of Obama at the hands of the Democrats.
This one’s in bad taste, but true.
By ron
April 29, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
One can only hope that the Rev Wright is too large a cross for Obama to bear.
By truthman
April 29, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Every day Andi reveals his foolishness.
Hagee is a tool of the devil, and ‘people’ such as Andi…ignorant white people…let themselves be led down a path of hate and intolerance!!
By truthman
April 29, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
@@ is just another white hater!
What about Hagee, @@? I guess you believe Hagee when he says earthquakes are god’s way of talking to the “unsaved?”
I guess you also beleive the people of New Orleans were responsible for Katrina?
Talk about hate! But, of course, you never think about that! It’s so much easier to fear the black man!!
Pendeho!!
By Road Scholar
April 29, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Just a follow up to my blog yesterday. While the debate has started concerning whether the gas tax should be suspended for the summer, the presidential candidates are setting their positions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/29campaign.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Why not keep the tax collection going, and place a tax on the oil companies on the windfall profits? This would increase transportaion revenues, address the present funding shortfall, and create jobs!
How have we successfully addressed recessions in the past? Not with handouts ($600 rebate, tax suspensions, etc) but with creating jobs! Put people to work so that they have funds to spend, buy new products,develop new products etc. It will also spur the infrastructure rebuilding which we are falling behind in doing. Federal funding could meet or exceed the funding levels in the Transportation bill passed a few years ago (which was verified in a recent study)!
Couple this with tax incentives for energy system research and development will cause our industries to focus on the short and long term.
The desire is to increase spending to restart our economic engine. Don’t you do this with jobs instead of loans?
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
My goodness, it looks like Truthwoman has been possessed by the spirit of Obambi and is talking in nonsense.
Will he be handling his snake too?
Did Obambi reveal his “truth” to you, truthie?
By FRANKLEEDARLING
April 29, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Christianity is so wrong so stupid why listen to anyone who spews its hatefull crap.
By truthman
April 29, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
Andi/Dunce/AJC,
You wouldn’t know the truth if your mommy brought it down to to you in a laundry basket with your Fruit-of-the-Loom whitey-tighties!
Either way, you’re getting a Democratic president and a veto-proof Democratice Congress come Nov. 4!
AND THAT’S THE REAL TRUTH FROM TRUTHMAN!!
By truthman
April 29, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Frankleedarling!
I couldn’t agree more!!
All religion is the opiate of the masses and crutch for those who can’t rely upon themselves, their family and friends!
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Yeah, the “vast right wing” conspiracy:
{{{{The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn’t have done more damage to Barack Obama’s campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that’s just what one friend of Wright wanted.}}}}
{{{{It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club “who organized” the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter.}}}}
{{{{On a blog linked to her Web site- www.reynoldsnews.com- Reynolds said in a February post: “My vote for Hillary in the Maryland primary was my way of saying thank you” to Clinton and her husband for the successes of Bill Clinton’s presidency.}}}}
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
After watching some of Wright’s comments for the first time last night, I’m now convinced of what someone said yesterday, or the day before that Wright is now working for Clinton.
Obama is caught in a Catch-22.
Obama addressed his relationship with Wright earlier, but maybe he needs to do it again for the attention deficit.
This is yet another distraction, and when you really think about it, what in the world could Obama say or do to distance himself from this man for those of you who don’t like him anyway?
Wright is now speaking for himself, and himself only.
I think Obama shows alot of class by his dealings with this man, and denouncing him will only incite new anger against him one way or the other.
I believe that anyone who is a viable candidate for President loves their country, why else would you put yourself or your family through such an ordeal.
By w00t
April 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Organized religion is for weak minds.
It’s no better than Scientology where they use positive reinforcement and brainwashing to hook its members.
Organized religion like Christianity uses fear and hell to hook its members. It’s no wonder why they call a church congregation a “flock”, because they’re all sheep. BAAAAAA!
By Truthboy the Ignorant
April 29, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
truthboy, any person who regularly uses the words “God D@mn” is no man of the Cloth. I seem to remember something about “taking Gods name in vain” as being a major no-no. To call this person a preacher, reverend, pastor or anything else related to someone who speaks the “Word of God” is blasphemy.
Also, by your 8:10 post, because White WAS a Marine and WAS part of LBJ’s medical team he is still a good person?
He MAY have done wonders for America years ago, but today he is an ignorant racist hate monger. The only one leading people down the path of “hate and intolerance” (8:15) is White and liberal left.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
w00t, truthman, and Frankly,
Please don’t group all Christians with those who are intolerant, hateful, and lust for power. They are not Christians in my book - they only pretend to be. That is no better than grouping all Muslims in with the jihadists, or all Jews with the Zionists.
Remember, it’s the lunatic fringes of all groups that scream and get the most attention, or sometimes, blow things up for the same purpose.
By @@
April 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
truthman:
(((I guess you believe Hagee when he says earthquakes are god’s way of talking to the “unsaved?”)))
(((I guess you also beleive the people of New Orleans were responsible for Katrina?)))
You guessed wrong on both counts.
I’m too busy examining my own sins to determine what may or may not be the sins of others. I never got the call.
“Judge not lest ye be judged” truthman.
No hate in @@, just discernment on the candidates and their abilities to lead.
By Harry S.
April 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Rev. Wright joined the Marines and served two combat tours as a medic, unlike the draft-dodging frat boys Bush/Cheney and Saxby. He has more than earned the right to so any damn thing he wants!
By truthman
April 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
w00t!
I love it!! “Flock!” “Sheep!” LMAO!!
By truthman
April 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Please keep your religion out of my politics.
America, except for Bush’s lunatic fringe, is a country founded on the separation of church and state!
Try to remember that, wingnuts!
By w00t
April 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
andisaq, he was saying that God would damn America. He wasn’t saying GD in a normal since. Stop getting your 10 second sound clips from Hannity.
And let’s be honest, more people have been killed in the name of religion when compared to anything else.
That’s where the hate lies. My God is better than your god, and if you don’t think so then I will either convert you or kill you.
It’s time to get with reality and put down your Bronze Age traditions and superstitions.
By Truthboy the Ignorant
April 29, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
There is no GOD according to truthboy, w00t, franky boy, yet they talk about the devil (8:15). I thought that the devil was kind of the opposite of God. If there is no GOD then how can there be a devil?
More and more intolerance and ignorance being spewed by the lefties today.
truthboy, how are your crystal balls working today? (8:43) “you’re getting a Democratic president and a veto-proof Democratice Congress come Nov. 4!”. How about sharing the numbers for the big lotto thing tonight?
Oh, and just a minor point, it’s ‘democratic’. You and your buddy “the sky is falling” Gore need to learn to drop the ‘e’.
Also, truthboy, (8:45) you forgot to include “rely upon the government”.
By GMAN
April 29, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
I think that the discussion around Obama’s “former pastor” is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue. “White America” needed to find an excuse for not electing a black man as president and the Republican Party and the american media gave it to them. This tactic helps remove any impression from the minds of the gullible that in effect they don’t want a black man as commander and chief. Even a blind man can see that. But ignorance is and always will be bliss.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
{{{{By Bosch April 29, 2008 9:00 AM w00t, truthman, and Frankly, Please don’t group all Christians with those who are intolerant, hateful, and lust for power.}}}}
Bosch: I often ask a liberal friend of mine from the church I attend how many intolerant, hateful and lusting for power people that he knew in the congregation.
In other words, does the church you know resemble the one that is commonly portrayed in the pinko media as a horrible, spiteful and angry?
I usually follow this question up with a query; if the liberals so casually lie about your place of worship, day in and day out, what other lies do you think they might be telling?
I always find it amusing to see the look of wonder flash across his face.
But, with these recent remarks being broadcast by Jeremiah Wright, preacher of Obambi, I’ve come to realize myself that I might be wrong and you liberals might be right.
The churches that you liberals attend really are intolerant, hateful places filled with people lusting for power.
Apologies for doubting you in the first place.
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
Would a crack journalist for the Department of Defense, one that travels around from spot to spot with our top Generals, call a former Marine an ex-Marine?
I also love the idiocy of someone that says we’re going to have to have a Democrat President and a veto proof Democrat Senate. Those two things might well happen, but what difference does it make? Are we going to have a Democrat President that vetoes a bunch of Democrat bills?
By w00t
April 29, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Bosch, you’re right. I apologize. I know there are those that live their lives through modesty, loving your neighbor, etc.
However, I get upset with those that pick and choose the parts of the bible that allow them to justify the life they chose to live.
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Doesn’t the phrase, “My cross to bear” mean you are dealing with things that may be difficult, but are ultimately your responsibility? Perhaps Obambi shouldn’t have spent twenty years making Wright his responsibility.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
{{{{By w00t April 29, 2008 9:06 AM And let’s be honest, more people have been killed in the name of religion when compared to anything else.}}}}
Yes, w00sie, let’s be honest, you go and compile a list of people killed in the name of religion, I’ll even make it easy on you, type into the google search box “Islamic atrocities,” and while you do that, I’ll get together my list of those murdered in the name of socialism and communism.
I may be a while.
Mouth breather.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
w00t,
We all get upset, because we are all human. I get upset with those here in this blog and those others in my life who think I’m not a Christian simply because I dont’ believe in heaven and hell, and think Jesus was a great guy who had a great message, and that his message was that we are ALL the Sons/Daughters of God.
People who claim to be Christians, but yet, demonstrate incredible intolerance to those who don’t believe as they do, go against the very essence of Jesus’ message. You know, at least in my opinion.
Now, I’ve wrote some pretty harsh things on this blog about my opinion of evangelical fundamentalists, and I’ve pretty openly said it is a prejudcie of mine - I’m not intolerant in the sense that I don’t think they should be able to exist, I prejudge them without knowing them based on my reality and experiences I’ve had with people like them. This is something we all do.
I don’t mind people believing what they want, just don’t think your way is the only way, or the right way- and keep it out of politics.
Andy,
I know it may seem a little like an oxymoron for you to think of someone as a liberal Christian, but there are plenty out there - more so than the intolerant bigots that claim themselves to be Christians.
Truthboy is ignorant,
The devil was an angel that got expelled from heaven - not God’s counterpart. If you are going to debate religion, you need to get your myths straight.
By w00t is a sheep
April 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
w00t, Non believers are the sheep, who believe we came from a big explosion and we were once a micro piece of dung, and we turned into monkeys, and then we turned into humans. What a fantasy, scientists have thier flock of sheep as well, baaaa, or should I say another banana please? You read the Bible and take from it what you want, thier is no set story moron, so I guess the sheep have minds of thier own then? Your view on the preacher, he meant to say it in another way, MORON. Do you really think that will work? True Liberal Garbage.
By Concerned Citizen
April 29, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
I am very disappointed that so much attention has been given to a non-issue. Rev. Wright comments and beliefs are his his alone and should not be comingled with Obama’s campaign.
I just wonder when will people get it. When you go to the pump and pay over $3.70 for gas does the pump give you a discount because you are of a certain ethnic, religious, gender or age group? Or, when your house is foreclosed because of a failing economy? I know, maybe you are receiving a discount at the grocery store while everyone else is paying higher prices because of the peak in gas prices.
Let’s talk about the “ALL Children Left Behind”, the dumb educational plan inacted by our current president. Now that alone should get the press coverage that Wright is receiving. Because history has proven many great countries have fallen when education and morals decline.
When will Americans learn that UNITED we STAND and DIVIDED we FALL?
Let us all BUY a clue and re-focus on the “REAL” issues of this country failing economy, health care, freedom, liberty and justice for all.
I pray that we as Americans will wake-up and smell the coffee and stop allowing the powers-that-be to DISTRACT us, DIVIDE us, and ultimately DESTROY us while we entertain “petty” non-issues!!!
Demand responsibility from the media to aggressive inform us of things that really do “impact” our day-to-day quality of living instead of stupid things like one man’s opinion/belief!
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Andy,
Don’t forget the millions killed in the Crusades, Inquistion, and the witch hunts, and the pagans killed during the crossover to Christianity.
Socialism and communism are political ideologies, not religions, no matter how you want to spin it.
But considering the millions that were killed in the above events, I’m assuming you’ll be quite a while.
By The Devil You say
April 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
All of you, liberal and conservative, need desperately to go see “Expelled”. It is an excellent documentary. Unlike Al Gore’s piece of trash and Michael Moore’s dung, it is actually well documented and verifiable. It is also about so much more than the debate about Darwinism vs. Intelligent design.
By By w00t is a sheep
April 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
As you can see I haven’t evolved enough to know how to spell their.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
By truthman 8:45 AM
{{{All religion is the opiate of the masses and crutch for those who can’t rely upon themselves, their family and friends!}}}
Now there’s a brilliant thought Tman… Which party is full of goverment handout recipients who constantly want more from all the evil rich people vs. taking care of themselves and their own responsibilities and making their own way in life? Relying on their family and friends vs. relying on Uncle Sam to fleece the rich for them?
If there were actually any truth to your statement, whouldn’t the D party be full of Christians vs. the God hating bunch of athiest’s it has become?
Remember Tman, half the Democratic party has below average intelligence. Which side are you on?
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
By truthman 8:45 AM
{{{All religion is the opiate of the masses and crutch for those who can’t rely upon themselves, their family and friends!}}}
Now there’s a brilliant thought Tman… Which party is full of goverment handout recipients who constantly want more from all the evil rich people vs. taking care of themselves and their own responsibilities and making their own way in life? Relying on their family and friends vs. relying on Uncle Sam to fleece the rich for them?
If there were actually any truth to your statement, whouldn’t the D party be full of Christians vs. the God hating bunch of athiest’s it has become?
Remember Tman, half the Democratic party has below average intelligence. Which side are you on?
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Mr. Devil,
If you would simply write that “Expelled” was an excellent documentary that debates the Darwinishm vs. intelligent design debate - without the Gore/Moore (hey, that rhymes) “trash analysis” I might be compelled to go see it.
But since your commentary shows your obvious bias, I think I’ll pass.
I have a friend who is a physicist who wrote a really nice essay on his belief in intelligent design - made a good argument in my opinion. I’ll stick with listening to people like him.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
RB,
“Which party is full of goverment handout recipients who constantly want more from all the evil rich people vs. taking care of themselves and their own responsibilities and making their own way in life? Relying on their family and friends vs. relying on Uncle Sam to fleece the rich for them”
The Republicans. I’m assuming you are talking about corporate welfare.
By FRANKLEEDARLING
April 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
never said anything about the devil
i find religion interesting from a cultural historic point but it is an outdated model
Bronze Age traditions and superstitions. could not have said it better LMAO
By edward irvin
April 29, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
In response to AJC not publishing any of the infamous Danish cartoons, Mike luckovich supported his editors’ cowardly decision: “But I have never used Jesus Christ to make my point. I feel like their is a line their.” Seems to me the “line” luckavich refers to is a bit labrynthine, perhaps conveniently so.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
RB,
Another thing:
“half the Democratic party has below average intelligence. Which side are you on”
Where in the world do you come up with sh!t like that? Cracker Jack toys? Seriously.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
{{{{By Bosch April 29, 2008 9:53 AM Andy, Don’t forget the millions killed in the Crusades, Inquistion, and the witch hunts, and the pagans killed during the crossover to Christianity.}}}}
Bosch: You can add all four examples of extremism that you cited together and it will not add up to one million, try it if you don’t believe me, instead of just ignorantly running your mouth.
{{{{Socialism and communism are political ideologies, not religions, no matter how you want to spin it.}}}}
Political ideologies are the religions of the common pinko liberal.
You liberals worship the government as though it lived and died on the cross for your sins.
Are you denying your “god” now?
Or are you just trying to weasel out of hundreds of millions of dead?
By BS detector
April 29, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
it’s starting to get murky for obama. is he ready to declare that black theology clings to their hateful religion out of bitterness?
nopey dopey. he wants us to understand why.
By w00t
April 29, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
BWAHAHAHAHAH, expelled, what a piece of garbage.
Ben Stein said that “science kills people”!
Yeah, science that developed water treatment, science that cured small pox, science that helps feed the worlds 6 billion people, yeah science that gets you on the internet, or modern health care, etc, etc.
You have got to be kidding me. What a moron.
Oh, and you’re right, Expelled is documented and verifiable that it is full of lies and deceit.
The thing is, simple minded people cannot understand complex ideas such as Evolution, or the Big bang. It has been said that new technologies and sciences will appear as magic and witch craft to simpler cultures. Maybe that is what is happening here now.
I think they choose not to understand the information that is out there. They choose not to understand it because it may rock their faith. If all of science is bad, they why not denounce Newtonian physics, or the general theory of relativity, or quantum mechanics? Is it because those sciences do not upset your delicate world view?
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Andy,
“You can add all four examples of extremism that you cited together and it will not add up to one million”
Really? And you know because?
followed by:
“instead of just ignorantly running your mouth”
and then we get this:
“Political ideologies are the religions of the common pinko liberal.
You liberals worship the government as though it lived and died on the cross for your sins”
Yeap, excuse me Andy, but I’ll stick with what I said.
It is rhetorical of course, because they didn’t keep birth and death records so much a couple thousands of years ago, but I still think you get my point.
By edward irvin
April 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
In response to the AJC’s cowardly decision not to publish any of the infamous Danish cartoons, Mike Luckovich supported his editors’ decision:”I have never used Jesus Christ to make My point. I feel like there is a line there.” Seems to me the “line” Luckovich refers to is a bit labrynthine, perhaps conveniently so.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:07 AM |
Bosch, corporate welfare keeps people employed. How many poor people have you worked for? You simple minded liberals can’t seem to figure out that corporations are not rich people, they are entities owned by stock holders (your 401K) and if they don’t make a profit, they CEASE TO EXIST. And so do the jobs of their employees. All of them!!! What part of that is so hard for you to get?
By getalife
April 29, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
The AJC has tossed Obama under the bus like the progressive blogs.
He needs to drop out, he is hurting their party
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:07 AM |
Bosch, corporate welfare keeps people employed. How many poor people have you worked for? You simple minded liberals can’t seem to figure out that corporations are not rich people, they are entities owned by stock holders (your 401K) and if they don’t make a profit, they CEASE TO EXIST. And so do the jobs of their employees. All of them!!! What part of that is so hard for you to get?
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
RB,
Tell that to the thousand or so employees of Delta who lost their jobs while their CEO raked in 11 million dollars.
It’s bullsh!t pure and simple, and you know it.
You’ve been reading too many billboards lately.
By The Devil You say
April 29, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Concerned Citizen - No Child Left Behind, a terrible law, was written by Ted Kennedy. Both parties share the blame on that one.
The economy might be slipping into a recession, but it is hardly failing. Have you ever read about the Great Depression? We have 5.1% unemployment right now. That is hardly a crisis. The policies advocated by Obama and Clinton would actually make it a crisis because they are a redux of the failed Republican policy of the early 1930s - protectionism.
The most Wrong Reverend is relevant as this goes to a question of judgment, character and fundamental beliefs on the part of Mr. Obama. Beliefs are not just stupid things. They are what one can expect from that person. One certainly would not want a priest who believes that it is all right to steal. You want a president who believes in his country, not one who has spent his life agreeing with those who denigrate it.
Bosch - you make a good point, except that you are bringing up stuff that happened over a thousand years ago in most instances. Also, you do not have Christians of today advocating crusades and witch hunts, but those things are still quite common in the Muslim world. Christianity has grown and, ironically, gone back to its basic teachings of tolerance and compassion. Islam has also stayed loyal to its beginnings - persecution and Jihad.
And by the way, persecution is persecution, whether it is religious or political. I really doubt that the political dissenter killed in the concentration camp felt any different from the Jew or Gypsy in the end - they were both dead.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
By Concerned Citizen 9:53 AM |
Are you telling us all if a candidate spent the last 20 years attending weekly Klan meetings that would be OK since he wasnt’t the one at the podium making the comments? He went for 20 years, but doesn’t recall any hate speach? He went for 20 years, but doesn’t really agree with the grand wizard?
I challenge you to explain to us all the difference in that and Obama/Wright.
That’s why it matters.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
By Concerned Citizen 9:53 AM |
Are you telling us all if a candidate spent the last 20 years attending weekly Klan meetings that would be OK since he wasnt’t the one at the podium making the comments? He went for 20 years, but doesn’t recall any hate speach? He went for 20 years, but doesn’t really agree with the grand wizard?
I challenge you to explain to us all the difference in that and Obama/Wright.
That’s why it matters.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:09 AM
{{{Where in the world do you come up with sh!t like that? Cracker Jack toys? Seriously. }}}
Bosch, if you weren’t in the bottom half you’d have a better chance of figuring it out.
By The Devil You say
April 29, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Bosch - that is exactly what I mean about “Expelled”. It is full of documentation like that of your friend. I made the commentary about Gore and Moore because that is what their films are. I have actually sat through them. I would not have passed judgment had I not!!! By the way, Stein does present both sides.
By mm
April 29, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
w00t,
The subject of more people being killed in the name of religion has been addressed on this blog before. Many wars have been fought over the ages due to religion.
You are spot on. Duh was proven wrong on this subject before and you can do some research and prove him wrong again.
Boy, does this explain Bush, McCain, Hagee, and the wingnuts:
According to Evangelical end-times enthusiasts, if you opposed the Iraq war, you didn’t just hate your country and the troops, now you were opposing God and the Bible as well.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:09 AM
{{{Where in the world do you come up with sh!t like that? Cracker Jack toys? Seriously. }}}
Bosch, if you weren’t in the bottom half you’d have a better chance of figuring it out.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Mr. Devil,
You bring up things in the past all the time and try to make them relevant to a current situation. Sometimes there’s a place for it, sometimes there is not.
When someone tries to overlook the fact that millions have been killed in the name of God, and leave Christianity out of the mix, they are conveniently overlooking great injustices.
“you do not have Christians of today advocating crusades and witch hunts”
Depends on your definition of crusades and witch hunts. Many here could make the argument, that yes, many Christians still do.
You say that about Islam because you hear no different on the news, most Muslims in this world would disagree with you, wholeheartedly.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
{{{{By Bosch April 29, 2008 10:15 AM |Andy “You can add all four examples of extremism that you cited together and it will not add up to one million Really? And you know because followed by: “instead of just ignorantly running your mouth” and then we get this: “Political ideologies are the religions of the common pinko liberal. You liberals worship the government as though it lived and died on the cross for your sins” Yeap, excuse me Andy, but I’ll stick with what I said. It is rhetorical of course, because they didn’t keep birth and death records so much a couple thousands of years ago, but I still think you get my point.}}}}
So many words used to say “Andy, I am too stupid to prove what I said so I would like to punt.”
Crusades: Over a 200 year period, perhaps 200,000 people were killed.
Inquistion: The number of people who died in the various inquistions across Europe are difficult to determine, but the number of victims can be numbered in the thousands, not the millions as a previous respondent stated. The entire populations of Europe would have been wiped out if inquisitors had killed in those numbers!
Witch hunts: About twenty people.
I don’t know how the pagans got lumped into the religions but I have my doubts about them killing millions.
Like I said, less than a million.
Anymore lies you’d like to tell, Bosch?
By w00t
April 29, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Bosch, RB is making a black joke.
However, RB has forgotten his own party is fully of rednecks and religious zelots though. which pretty much covers Huckabee, Mcain, and Hagee.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
RB,
“Bosch, if you weren’t in the bottom half you’d have a better chance of figuring it out.”
Then help me to figure it out. This statistic you like to hurl about. Did they give an IQ test to every Democrat in the country orr did they choose random samples? What was the criteria for their sampling? What was the design of the research study? Who administered the test? What were the testers qualifications?
The whole hypothesis of the study seems rather biased to me which is a true indicator of the bullsh!t of the study itself.
Can you answer these questions? Or do you want to stick with such a ludicrous argument?
By tiff
April 29, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
It amazes me that the Clinton’s former pastor William Procanick was convicted of something as horrible as child-molestation and none of the news stations are running it the way they are the Rev Wright sermons. The republicans in this country can go on about something Baracks former pastor said and try and morph the two together. How sad that we live in a country when we don’t make an outcry when people do something disgusting to the children of this world, but we are hell bent on worrying about a pastor just expressing his opinion. Rev. Wright was right. America has the wrong idea about right and wrong. And about what we need to be focusing on.
By Cdm
April 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
To RB from Gwinett. Your racist are well taken. You represent the forces that are ruining this country. How many people do you know that are living the way you describe? I am an a member of a minority group and have never taken a penny of assistance from anyone. When my husband died and left me with 5 children to raise, the youngest being 2, I worked two jobs and went to school at night. I am now 70 years old and have never had a penny that I did not earn. Your are the living proof of white racism and ignorance.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Andy @10:40,
You are overlooking something - some of those words were yours.
I’ll concede on the “millions.” Okay? I think you get the rest of the point I was making.
Now, go do your list of all those killed by Islamist extremists. We’re waiting.
By Cdm
April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
To RB from Gwinett. Your racist are well taken. You represent the forces that are ruining this country. How many people do you know that are living the way you describe? I am an a member of a minority group and have never taken a penny of assistance from anyone. When my husband died and left me with 5 children to raise, the youngest being 2, I worked two jobs and went to school at night. I am now 70 years old and have never had a penny that I did not earn. Your are the living proof of white racism and ignorance.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Later all!
By Shawny
April 29, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
funny toon. As long as Big O doesn’t separate himself from Wright, that will be his ‘cross to bear’.
Nice piece on Hillary’s wasteful spending.
When are we going to get a law to stop this in its tracks. She is passing Murtha in waste, all in a time of huge deficits.
By getalife
April 29, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
“Hillary Rodham Clinton now leads John McCain by 9 points in a head-to-head presidential matchup, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable than Democratic rival Barack Obama. Obama and Republican McCain are running about even.”
mcwar has mental problems, his positions are all over the place and will not release his medical records.
She wins the general easily.
By Paul Pollster
April 29, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Poll
What is your favorite John McCain scandal so far?
His admitted cluelessness on economic issues
Keating 5
Association with corrupt Arizona congressman Rick Renzi
Flying on his wife’s jet at a cut-rate price
Illegally opting out of public campaign financing
Confusing Sunni and Shia on multiple occasions
Calling his wife the C-word in public
Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran…
Cozying up to hate-monger Pastor John Hagee
Blasting the influence of lobbyists, and then stuffing his campaign with lobbyists
Other
By rchdHH
April 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
I appreciate and have enjoyed the access allowed me by the Atlanta Journal Constitution for several years. I, however, had not explored the stories told through editorial cartooning. But, just a few days ago I happened on a telecast interview with editorial-cartoonist Mike Luckovich. I found his artistry to be extraordinarily compelling - perceptive, frankly hard edged and - yes - entertaining.
Heretofore I had thought that Cincinnati editorial-cartoonist Jim Borgman was without equal - now I think in terms of “co-equals” that “should” redound to fortunate reader’s delight.
By The Devil You Say
April 29, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Bosch - as someone who has actually studied Islam from an academic perspective - not in the popular media - I think that I have earned my right to my opinion. It is an informed one. I have studied Islam with Islamic scholars and with Christian scholars. I came away with a profound sense of hopelessness and venality with this religion. I also came away from the studies of Islam with the certainty that all of the scholars, who by the way considered themselves ‘moderate’ believe that Jihad is a duty. You see, that is how Muhammad started his expansion of Islam. The original spread of Christianity was peaceful and Christians were persecuted. Even after Constantine’s conversion, he did not force people to convert. Even King Clovis of the Franks did not force people to convert, despite the propaganda otherwise. In fact, he followed the crowd and his wife was already a Christian when he converted. He also was a terrible Christian!!
Yes there were and are abuses in Chritianity, as well as Buddhism and Hinduism and even Judaeism, but these pail in comparison to the abuses in modern Islam and the number of adherents the radical beliefs have. No majority Christian nation today persecutes non-believers in the way that Muslim nations do.
YOu also must remember that Islam is not just a religious movement. It was also conceived as a POLITICAL movement. Muhammad used it to unify the Arabian peninsula. I find it intrensically evil from its inception to the modern era.
By tiff
April 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
getalife, not to get into a back and forth with what you are saying. But what they do with the points thing is called POLITICAL SPIN. You tell people that the person they support is winning by a certain number of points. That makes Barack supporters think they are losing so WHAT-THE-HECK, they don’t bother going to the polls to vote. Then you have your winner “HILLARY”. Truth is Barack has more electorate votes, more popular votes ,and has won more states than Hillary. So ask yourself how can she be this far ahead of him in the polls. Besides they won’t Hillary to run against McCain, with all the baggage she has they can probably pull her under. But as you have seen with Barack no matter what they say about him, or who they try to link him to his base only gets stronger.
By rchdHH
April 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
I appreciate and have enjoyed the access allowed me by the Atlanta Journal Constitution for several years. I, however, had not explored the stories told through editorial cartooning. But, just a few days ago I happened on a telecast interview with editorial-cartoonist Mike Luckovich. I found his artistry to be extraordinarily compelling - perceptive, frankly hard edged and - yes - entertaining.
Heretofore I had thought that Cincinnati editorial-cartoonist Jim Borgman was without equal - now I think in terms of “co-equals” that “should” redound to fortunate reader’s delight.
By Goldie
April 29, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
As Sen. Obama has stated before, Rev. Wright is just like the uncle that gets crazier with age and that everyone has in their own family…
By MomCat
April 29, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
By Concerned Citizen April 29, 2008 9:53 AM |
Thank you Concerned!! So thankful there are still a (very) few voices of sanity left in the world.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:28 AM
{{{Tell that to the thousand or so employees of Delta who lost their jobs while their CEO raked in 11 million dollars.}}}
What welfare is Delta receiving?
How much of his income is salary vs. stock options (which are WORTHLESS if the stock price doesn’t go up).
Can you answer these questions or do you just want to whine because somebody worked hard and is being paid for the countless hours they dedicate to their company while you swim in the misery of failure you created for yourself?
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
I like the cartoon. It works on many levels.
What the right doesn’t realize, is that the Rev. Wright is the black John the Baptist. His wake up call to the country is about blacks being righteously outraged at their shared history with white america. The Rev. Wright is heralding in a new, more serious level of discussion about race.
Rev. Wright is preparing the way for someone even greater than he in the face of this refreshened debate about racism. The right is falling into a trap by categorically condemning the Rev. Wright, when the national conscience may be moving into a position of arbitration and reconciliation. This election campaign has accelerated the resolution possibilities of the tortured continuum of white/black relations.
McCain will get 30%, landslide prediction, and Obama will get 70%, if this racial thing backfires, like it’s set up to do.
The right keeps piling on, just like the rednecks they truly are. It’s simply to easy to criticize Wright for his sermons. It’s handed to the right on a silver platter. Something’s not right with this.
I smell a rat. Democrat or republican, I’m an american. This is a calulated bid to get the right to pile on. They’re betting on the quantum leap of tolerance for all races that’s been indoctrinated into our children in this country for thirty years. It’s the law, even. No discrimination. Political correctness. Remember Macacagate?
Something doesn’t smell right here, my fellow americans. Better lay off the Rev. Wright.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
By Cdm 10:48 AM |
You show me where I said race had anything to do with any statement I’ve made and I’ll listen to you. Until then, I’ll assume your ignorant and incapable of reading and comprehending basic english.
By Reality
April 29, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
w00t, Your ignorance and attempt at being intelligent is hiliarious. I guess I better try and spell correctly since that is his test of intellegence on a blog. Science that cured diseases, thank you God for working through people to help us. I thought that if I believed in God I couldn’t believe that he would give us minds to use. BWHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAH Tiff, your comparison is stupid so shut up. He did not preach child molestation idiot. But Obama’s preached hatred, racism, and he sat threw it all and supported him. Obamania is over, and the few left behind do not matter anymore.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
By Cdm 10:48 AM |
You show me where I said race had anything to do with any statement I’ve made and I’ll listen to you. Until then, I’ll assume your ignorant and incapable of reading and comprehending basic english.
By Same Sh!t Different Day
April 29, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Gee, if you people only blogged when you had something NEW to say instead of re-hashing the same old sh!t day after day, this blog would be quite succinct.
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
If only the Wright flap was really about the utterance’s of a crazy man then the excuse makers that appear above me would have a point.
The problem for Obambi is that his only rational for us electing him President is his so called superior judgment and staying with Wright for 20 (TWENTY) years and even exposing the next generation to Wright’s hatred by taking his children proves he lacks that judgment leaving us with no reason at all to vote for him.
By Will Jones
April 29, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Watching Jeremiah Wright at the Nat’l Press Club he appears as a genuine Man of G-d. His utterances are straight out of the Prophets and the righteousness of his view is inarguable. He pulls some punches regarding the knowable truth concerning “Edom”/”Babylon” so Obama isn’t the only politician now being tested.
We, the People, are being tested: Are we now to live by Annuit Coeptis, E Pluribus Unum, and Novus Ordo Seclorem, following the Invisible Hand in this Election helping free us from the Anti-Christ’s overt move to enslave us again and destroy the Republic?
Obama is the right answer for America.
www.theamericanfundament.blogspot.com
By AmVet
April 29, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Personally, after decades of this garbage, I am sick of people like Graham, Falwell, Robertson, Wright, et al. getting any airplay.
Seemingly, the more vocal and the more visible, the greater the intolerance and the more repulsive their statements.
But of more concern to me than shrill crack pots and filthy rich frauds are the politicians who cozy up to and use them rather than repudiate them.
Sadly IMHO, (but fortunately in steady decline) 65% of Americans believe it is important for a US President to have strong religious beliefs. (and we all know what that means - no Jews, Mooslims, Hindus, etc. allowed. And once every 250 years a Catholic.)
And certainly NO agnostics, atheists, etc…
The Dems don’t really get it. True, the nuts in the far right GOP have succeeded by capitalizing on the worst in this moderately rational, self-righteous and myopic “base”.
But as evidence of the enormous cost of this mythological religion in politics, consider arguably the worst President in US history, George W. Bush who apparently gets his instructions from God. (Perhaps his Enigma machine is broken?)
So from what I can see, much of this ridiculous religiosity mixed much too heavily with governance appears to be at the expense of this nation. A liberal, secular nation. And one not really interested in pious, misdirected efforts at legislating morality.
I believe for the Dems to parrot this courtship, in any fashion, is a real loser for them.
McCain has got it right. Even though he has a large Hagee skeleton following him around these days as well.
You godly Christians want to bring back some Grand Inquisitor to “test” the level/acceptability of his faith?
If so, I hope he tells you all to go to hell…
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
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If Jesus was running as a Democrat on his issues of Peace, Love thy Enemy, Help thy neighbor, Assit the needy, etc.,
And the Devil was running as a Republican on the “Good reasons for war, The good of making lots of money, the good of profiting off the destruction of the earth, the greatness of being powerful.,
Then this State would of course call the Democrat Candidate a bleeding heart communist liberal - and vote for the Devil every single time.
No wonder it’s called a RED state!
Cheers’
Thomas
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Is Black America Angry? Are whites fed up with racism?
The bronx cheers for pastorgate are going to backfire on the right bigtime.
oh, they’ll milk it. They’ll even get a short pop in the polls.
But by election day, there wont be a shovel left to clean up after the elephant. Oh, dont reach for THAT one, duhng, that’s WAY over your head, which is stuck up the elephant’s patoot. bwa.
what a fall guy. he probably read this. I love it. what a maroon. giggle snorkle fitzz phuuttt.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Pastorgate. Obama’s pastor isn’t saying anything that Lincoln didn’t say: that god damned america with the civil war’s bloodletting for slavery.
The Rev. Wright is a modern Lincoln. Boy did lincoln get pilloried for saying what he said during the civil war. Hell, they shot him, man……..D’OH!
By w00t
April 29, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Reality….
So let me get this straight. God works through people’s minds to accomplish things. This implies fate and no free will.
Then you go on to say that God gave us minds to use which would be free will.
So, which is it?
Also, why would God help man to fix problems that he condemned man to? Seems kind of counter productive.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
The Rev. Wright is the new John the Baptist!! He’s heralding a new leader who’s greater than he for an America of Equality and Justice.
I dont know who the greater could be, nobody comes to mind, I cant think of anyone, got nothing , could it be……….Obama?
U C, All of america right now is weighing the criticism of an angry black christian veteran minister, and american is asking itself, this man has every reason to be angry and every right to express his anger however he likes. As do all black americans.
I think pastorgate will backfire on the right.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
RB,
I asked those same exact questions the other day. You weren’t around and no one wanted to debate it.
Delta has received lots of government welfare in the form of subsidies. Welfare is welfare.
And as I said the other day, I realize that most of his compensation is in the form of stock options. For once, I’d like to see a CEO say, “Oh, I don’t know, why don’t you give it to the workers.”
Redistribute the wealth so to speak.
How does the CEO work any harder than the men and women who’ve lost their jobs?
But I have a strong feeling that the people who lost their jobs, you know, the “whiners,” would probably ask the same question. Why don’t you make your case to them?
“Swimming in the misery of failure I’ve created for myself?
That’s hilarious. You need to write the copyright office for that one. How long did it take you to make that one up? Or wait a minute, did you read that off a billboard?
Hey, how’s the housing market?
It’s amazing to me how completely unraveled you get when people simply challenges your opinion.
Now, can you answer my questions posed to you at 10:44?
I’ll bet you can’t.
By Fly_on_the_Wall
April 29, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
Uhm, I’ll have to research it just a bit but there was a ‘conversion’ back in the early church where 5,000 pagens were executed in one day because they refused to convert. So the early Christians did forcibly convert or kill. Not a great day for Christianity.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
Mr. Devil,
If you’ve studied Islam, and made those opinions based on your studies, good enough for me.
I still disagree though. But hey, it’s America, right?
Going out for a run. It’s really nice out today!
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:44 AM
{{{Can you answer these questions? Or do you want to stick with such a ludicrous argument?}}}
I can answer all your questions, Bosch, but it would be much better for all of us if you make an effort to figure it out on your own. There is nothing ludicrous about my statement. You are, however, showing which side of the fence you’re on each time you post. Those in the other half are laughing. and not “with” you.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 10:44 AM
{{{Can you answer these questions? Or do you want to stick with such a ludicrous argument?}}}
I can answer all your questions, Bosch, but it would be much better for all of us if you make an effort to figure it out on your own. There is nothing ludicrous about my statement. You are, however, showing which side of the fence you’re on each time you post. Those in the other half are laughing. and not “with” you.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
Pastorgate. (heh, heh, he said pastorgate): Obama’s pastor misspoke when he said that al queda’s flag and the us flag were equal. What he meant was that christianity and islam are equivalent in the behavior of the worshippers and true believers.
Fact. Know it. Live it.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
RB,
“I can answer all your questions, Bosch, but it would be much better for all of us if you make an effort to figure it out on your own. There is nothing ludicrous about my statement. You are, however, showing which side of the fence you’re on each time you post. Those in the other half are laughing. and not “with” you”
As predicted. In other words, “I can’t.”
RB,
I thought I was too stupid to figure out things for myself, that’s what you implied earlier. I asked you to help me figure them out.
You see, RB, I know what those phrases mean. I learned them years ago in graduate school when I had to actually DO research.
You, obviously, like to through out ludicrous statements, which have no basis of anything factual or true.
Going running now, hopefully I won’t run into any trees, or get lost running in a circle.
By W stands for worst
April 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Same Sh!t different day,
Finally a voice of reason. You are correct the same trolls, RB, Andy etc. still spewing ignorant facts that dont come to any conclusions. I read letters to the editors in alot of the newspapers and a majority say voting in Democrats will ruin our country. I guess they have been asleep the last 7 years..
By Islam and Christianity
April 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Hans Job, Islam and Christianity are equivalent in the same behavior as true believers, another moronic statement. If you know anything about either one it is untrue. I never see a Christian woman covering every part of her body except her eyes. The unequality of tru Muslim behaviors are no where near the same. I would give you more but the statement is so dumb I won’t waste my time. GET A LIFE
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Ahh, yes, the dimwit environmental terrorists speak:
{{{{“Today, the president provided a miserable performance of missed opportunities to really lead the nation,” said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Hairy Reed, D-Nev., in a prepared release.}}}}
{{{{“Instead of proposing to rollback even more environmental regulations, the president should have called on the oil company executives to voluntarily keep prices from rising,” Manley said, also saying oil companies should have fewer tax breaks, and should invest more in domestic refining capacity as well as cleaner fuels — especially in light of record profits.}}}}
“Oil company executives” don’t pull oil out of their as-ses, like dimokrats do with their bright ideas, they have to buy the stuff, you blooming idiots.
Even Bushie understands this simple freaking fact:
{{{{To ease energy costs, Bush called for the exploration of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, new oil refineries, alternative fuels, and fewer roadblocks to nuclear power.}}}}
It’s like duh, no kidding.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 1:41 PM
Maybe woot or truthman can help you Bosch. Unless they’re in the bottom half too.
As to the Delta welfare, they, along with all the other airlines, were propped up after 9/11. Given the choice of doing that or seeing all the airlines go bankrupt and their employees go jobless, I’d say that was a wise investment of our collective money. Beyond that, you need to come up with some specifics of “welfare” Delta is being given to justify your class envy statements.
By Rev Wright
April 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
You crackers out there make me really mad, KKK of Amerika. Stop bashing me because you don’t understand the culture of the civilization of the minority of the Republic of the……what was I saying, I hate crackers, and you should too. Try Ritz they are much better then crackers.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 1:41 PM
Maybe woot or truthman can help you Bosch. Unless they’re in the bottom half too.
As to the Delta welfare, they, along with all the other airlines, were propped up after 9/11. Given the choice of doing that or seeing all the airlines go bankrupt and their employees go jobless, I’d say that was a wise investment of our collective money. Beyond that, you need to come up with some specifics of “welfare” Delta is being given to justify your class envy statements.
By Shannon M.
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
I like the commentor who said it was Pastor Wright’s message of hate that will spoil any chances for the next generation. I agree wholeheartedly. This is a burden that Barack Obama must bear in his mind and on his heart.
By AJC Hall Monitor
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
By RB from Gwinnett April 29, 2008 1:31 PM By Bosch 10:44 AM {{{Can you answer these questions? Or do you want to stick with such a ludicrous argument?}}} I can answer all your questions, Bosch, but it would be much better for all of us if you make an effort to figure it out on your own. There is nothing ludicrous about my statement.
Attn: AJC Hall Monitor!! Of course they can’t answer. They’re off their meds again. Time to take a couple hours and get a refill.
By getalife
April 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Obama just had another complete meltdown at his press conference and tossed his former pastor under the bus.
Wright responds later in another press conference.
Enough with this train wreck. Drop out Obama so we can win this time.
By Lamb Cannon
April 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
OK, I have a question.
How come no one uses this comments log to tell Mike how great his cartoons are?
C’mon, even if you don’t agree with all of them, the art is effin great! Enuf is enuf with all the imbedded curly braces!
LUCKOVICH RULES!
By AmVet
April 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
I know the “free market” crowd hates to acknowledge the dirty truths behind reality sometimes but it is only due to monetary self interest and control of the government and media by the plutocrats.
And though the most willfully blind may still refuse to believe in the concept consider this: After World War II, the nation’s tax bill was roughly split between corporations and individuals. But after years of changes in the federal tax code and international economy, the corporate share of taxes has declined to a fourth the amount individuals pay, according to the US Office of Management and Budget.
Why the common man, even of the far right wing persuasion, doesn’t grasp the enormously negative impact of this on most Americans including themselves is beyond me.
Corporate welfare is the government bestowing money, grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment on corporations. The term was coined by Ralph Nader in 1966.
Another definition:
Corporate welfare is subsidies considered excessive, unwarranted, wasteful, unfair, inefficient, or bought by lobbying. These projects are often advertised as benefiting the general welfare but spend a disproportionate amount of funds on large corporations.
For instance, in the United States, agricultural subsidies are usually portrayed as helping honest, hardworking independent farmers stay afloat. However, the majority of income gained from commodity support programs actually goes to large agribusiness corporations such as Archer Daniels Midland, as they own a considerably larger percentage of production.
According to the Cato Institute, the U.S. federal government spent $92 billion on corporate welfare during fiscal year 2006 ALONE(!!!). Recipients included Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical, and General Electric.
If this country cut 26 percent of the welfare now given to the rich we would instantly balance the budget.
By Poppy
April 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Obama said, “I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday.”
Timing is everything in a political campaign. This is too little too late from Barack.
It was his mentor who said that Barack is a politician who must say what he has to say to win.
What an amateur Obama is. He would have fared better had he said nothing which is what he has done throughout this campaign.
Obama is an empty candidate in an elitist suit.
We can all look back and say we knew him when his hopes were dashed.
By MomCat
April 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
By getalife April 29, 2008 2:40 PM Obama just had another complete meltdown at his press conference and tossed his former pastor under the bus. Enough with this train wreck. Drop out Obama so we can win this time.
Getalife, he will not drop out (unfortunately). If he’s nominated, get read for 4 (at least) more years of the same. Hello war on Iran! Hello more years of Iraq, unemployment, deficit….the list gones on. I’m very tired of this and will ‘retire’ again to my cubicle on the coast for a couple days!
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
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Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there [the very words only of Jesus] stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ. -Thomas Jefferson-
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State. -Thomas Jefferson-
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By Bosch
April 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
RB,
I know Delta was propped up after 9/11, and I can see where that was approporiate, but not now. I believe in capitalism, and I don’t think our government should bail out industries. Sure, there are exceptions like 9/11, but I say, let capitalism run its course.
Can you tell me how the CEO of Delta works harder than the other men and women who work for that company?
No class envy, that’s a lame cop out on your end. It’s very easy to say that I’m jealous, and yet not answer one freaking question because you know you can’t.
Going back to your ludicrous statement earlier that half of all Democrats are below normal intelligence.
Are you going to answer the questions I posed earlier regarding where you came up with such a statement, or a link to a study? Research methods used to prove such a hypothesis? Anything?
Again, you can’t answer the questions other than I’m stupid.
You really are pretty transparent RB.
By Acorny candidate
April 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Acorn later invited Mr. Obama to help train its staff; Mr. Obama would also sit on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago, which frequently gave this group grants.
Acorn’s efforts to register voters have been scandal-prone. St. Louis, Mo., officials found that in 2006 over 1,000 addresses listed on its registrations didn’t exist. “We met twice with Acorn before their drive, but our requests completely fell by the wayside,” said Democrat Matt Potter, the city’s deputy elections director. Later, federal authorities indicted eight of the group’s local workers. One of the eight pleaded guilty last month.
In Seattle, local officials invalidated 1,762 Acorn registrations. Felony charges were filed against seven of its workers, some of whom have criminal records. Prosecutors say Acorn’s oversight of its workers was virtually nonexistent. To avoid prosecution, Acorn agreed to pay $25,000 in restitution.
Despite this record – and polls that show clear majorities of blacks and Hispanics back voter ID laws – Mr. Obama continues to back Acorn. They both joined briefs urging the Supreme Court to overturn Indiana’s law.
All of this may be smart politics, but it is far removed from Mr. Obama’s call for transcending the partisan divide. Then again, Mr. Obama’s relationship to reform has always been tenuous. Jay Stewart, the executive director of the Chicago Better Government Association, notes that, while Mr. Obama supported ethics reforms as a state senator, he has “been noticeably silent on the issue of corruption here in his home state, including at this point, mostly Democratic.”
So we have the irony of two liberal icons in sharp disagreement over yesterday’s Supreme Court decision. Justice Stevens, the real reformer, believes voter ID laws are justified to prevent fraud. Barack Obama, the faux reformer, hauls out discredited rhetoric that they disenfranchise voters.
Acorn’s national political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama. And its “nonpartisan” voter registration affiliate has announced plans to register hundreds of thousands of voters before the November election. An election in which Mr. Obama may be the Democratic candidate.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 3:07 PM
Bosch, you don’t get to be the CEO of Delta or any other company of it’s magnitude without working harder than the average employee. I know that’s a difficult concept for a socialist like you to understand, but I can guarantee the rich people you envy so understand it.
BTW, I agree on the corporate welfare issue. I rarely agree with it. I don’t agree with the mortgage industry bailout, I didn’t agree with Chrysler, etc. I don’t like the “we’ll give you 100 years tax free if you build a plant here” deals.
But I also don’t whine because somebody makes a bunch of money and I don’t. I earn what I make and I suspect the board who establishes his compensation package believes he does too or he would be packing his bags. I would also guarantee he’s not working 40 hours weeks.
Evidence of my claims? See the posts listed under “Bosch, woot, truthman” There’s all the evidence you need. Try running my claim by the school teacher Bosch and see if she can help. If not, tell her to resign immediatly.
By GreenJeans
April 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Howdy all.
Funny toon, ML, considering these two blaring headlines over at the CNN Ticker:
8:50 a.m.: Rove Tells Obama How to Win (“Rove also suggests Obama sharpen his repudiation of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s controversial sermons…).
2:51 p.m.: Obama Says He’s ‘Outraged’ with Pastor’s Comments (In his harshest criticism yet of his former minister, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama said he was “outraged” by Wright’s comments at the National Press Club Monday, and “saddened by the spectacle.”)
OK, even if it is a coinky-dink, it’s a darn funny one!
By Wavy Gravy
April 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Lamb Cannon @ 2:57,
First, you obviously don’t read this blog—-but only scan it in a daily haze of pure boredom—-or you’d know that Mike Luckovich’s cartooning is appreciated here fairly often, which is about how often it’s worth appreciating.
For example, can you say what it is about today’s cartoon that’s praiseworthy, and not just some banal visual cliche on the topic about which Mr. Luckovich thinks and therefore knows approximately nothing: religion?
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
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Forget Delta’ —
What about the bailout of Lee Iococa?
Chrysler?
And just what did the taxpayers get for that payment and all those promises he made?
Ripped off — is what they got.
Cheers’
By Mohan
April 29, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
Here’s a fun game. Complete the following sentence: “You don’t get to be the CEO of Delta or any other company of its magnitude without…”
By W stands for worst
April 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
RB:
You are incorrect about ALL the airlines getting a govt handout after September 11th. Southwest didnt get a dime from the gov. Why because they were the only one that wasnt on the verge of bankruptcy before Sept 11th. So the gov gave all those airlines a huge check for running their airline in the ground. Seems like the mantra for the Bush admin, if you break it the gov will help as long as your a corporation and not a citizen about the lose your house…
By GreenJeans
April 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
“You don’t get to be the CEO of Delta or any other company of its magnitude without…”
…a pen!s.
By Mohan
April 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Ah, yes. Most sublime, GreenJeans, but does that not beg the question raised by Carly of old: “Whose penis”?
By GMAN
April 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
I think that the discussion around Obama’s “former pastor” is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue. “White America” needed to find an excuse for not electing a black man as president and the Republican Party and the american media gave it to them. This tactic helps remove any impression from the minds of the gullible that in effect they don’t want a black man as commander and chief. Even a blind man can see that. But ignorance is and always will be bliss.
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
{{{{By GMAN April 29, 2008 4:14 PM This tactic helps remove any impression from the minds of the gullible that in effect they don’t want a black man as commander and chief. But ignorance is and always will be bliss.}}}}
Speaking of ignorance, it’s Commander >>in<< Chief, dimwit.
By Mohan
April 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
GMAN,
I humbly beg your pardon, but you are—-as we say in Sanskrit—-a dumba$s. You’re just too lazy to look at what it really means for professional smart-guy Barack to have hitched his wagon for more than two decades to professional smart-guy Jeremiah.
You’re too lazy to unpack—-and that’s why you ought to be sent packing.
I mean this in the most generous possible way, of course…
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
“You don’t get to be the CEO of Delta or any other company of its magnitude without…”
Bribes — err I mean campaign Contributions..
By @@
April 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Bosch:
About Delta? I may have mentioned this before, but my husband was directly employed by Delta and is now indirectly employed by Delta.
Don’t forget to fit the Pilot Union and their grievances in between 9/11 and the spike in gas prices.
The union carried signs that said “Full Pay to the Very Last Day” caring not about the greater number of employees who would find themselves on the street had they succeeded in their demands.
That’s “greed” of the union label.
My husband has said they couldn’t pay him ENOUGH money to be CEO of Delta.
AmVet’s comments about the low morale of Northwest employees? If their morale is low, then they can seek employment elsewhere. Many from Delta have done so.
If, like my husband, you’re an employee who has planned well for the future (financially speaking), is not greedy (like the pilots’ union), you can join with Delta’s CEO to insure that Delta and all its’ employees continue to make a living.
Don’t whine….be a disk in Delta’s spine.
By GMAN
April 29, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
I STILL think that the discussion around Obama’s “former pastor” is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue. “White America” needed to find an excuse for not electing a black man as president and the Republican Party and the American media gave it to them. This tactic helps remove any impression from the minds of the gullible that in effect they don’t want a black man as commander in chief. Even a blind man can see that. But ignorance is and always will be bliss.
By Buckminster
April 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Of COURSE you do, GMAN! It’s your self-appointed JOB to tell us what NOT to examine…
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
“Evidence of my claims? See the posts listed under “Bosch, woot, truthman” There’s all the evidence you need”
Aw, yes, again. In other words, “I can’t because I have no clue”
“you don’t get to be the CEO of Delta or any other company of it’s magnitude without working harder than the average employee”
Totally disagree.
Did you know that Lee Iacocca paid that loan back? Seven years prior to the deadline?
“I know that’s a difficult concept for a socialist like you to understand, but I can guarantee the rich people you envy so understand it”
Did you miss in my post earlier when I said I believe in capitalism, or did you conveniently ignore that part because it would cause your programming to malfunction?
You know RB, this may be a difficult concept for someone like you to understand, but if you repeat something over and over or write it on a blog, it doesn’t make it true.
So why is it you think I’m a socialist with class envy? Would a socialist diagree with corporate bailouts?
What I do really have a hard time with is keeping up with your “logic.”
Sigh.
By AmVet
April 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
AmVet’s comments about the low morale of Northwest employees?
???
By Bush the catastrophe
April 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Its been a long time since I read the blogs. I have to tell you….. its so refreshing not to see Buy Danish on here. Exhilarating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its been a long time since I read the blogs. I have to tell you….. its so refreshing not to see Buy Danish on here. Exhilarating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its been a long time since I read the blogs. I have to tell you….. its so refreshing not to see Buy Danish on here. Exhilarating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its been a long time since I read the blogs. I have to tell you….. its so refreshing not to see Buy Danish on here. Exhilarating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
@@,
I know you hate unions, you’ve made that very clear in past posts. But I hate to see CEOs run businesses into the ground and not held accountable, while 1000s of employees loose their jobs while they walk away with a salary equal to the budgets of some small third world country (okay, an exageration, but still).
And as much as some would believe, I don’t think unions are that great either. They had a purpose, but their time has come and gone for the most part.
But I truly believe that a company’s greatest assets are their employees, not their CEO.
A CEO does not work harder than anyone else, and the same goes for that person, if he doesn’t like the pressure, he can look for employement elsewhere.
Just a difference in our theories.
By GMAN
April 29, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
I continue to believe that the discussion around Obama’s “former pastor” is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue. “White America” desperately needs to find an excuse for not electing a black man as president and the Republican Party (for the obvious reason) and the American media (to make news)gladly gave it to them. This tactic helps remove any impression from the minds of the gullible that in effect they don’t want a black man as commander in chief. Even a blind man can see that. THE CRACKER FACTOR IS BEING LEGITIMIZED!
By GreenJeans
April 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
Note to Gman:
You are thinking way too deeply about this.
If by “white America” you mean prejudiced white people who wouldn’t want to vote for a black candidate, then they’d just simply not vote for the black candidate.
No excuses, no public hand-wringing, no polling needed.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Bosch, did you ask the other Bosch to explain it to you or are you too embarrased to do so? Give it a shot. It’ll only hurt for a little while.
I don’t care that Chrysler paid it back early or late. It shouldn’t have been given. If there wasn’t a bank who believed in them enough to write the loan, the people shouldn’t have either. For their sake, I’m glad they made it.
You only believe in capitalizm as long as you get to decide how much everybody makes and it’s not “too much” according to Bosch. That’s not capitalizm, Bosch. You’re missing the point. Maybe you’re actually a communist instead??
You can’t keep up with my logic because you’re a bottom halfer, Bosch. Ask AJCM or @@. Maybe one of them will explain it to you.
By bon scott
April 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
written by RB from Gwinnett -April 29, 2008 9:58 AM - Remember Tman, half the Democratic party has below average intelligence. Which side are you on?
And just what evidence do you have for THAT claim? Aside from that, one can only assume from your baseless assumption that the half of Democrats who aren’t encumbered with below average intelligence possess above average intelligence.
I would argue that the same ratio exists among Republicans. Which is not a bad thing.
By Paul
April 29, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Greenjeans 4:08
Hewlett Packard CEO Carley Fiorina?
hey getalife
Hillary’s going to go on Bill O’Reilly’s show Wednesday. And Thursday. For extended interviews.
Progress continues.
By GMAN
April 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
GreenJeans I’m talking about ALL of “white america”. You see they have to have a reason other than the fact that the candidate is black in their discussions of why they would not vote for the black candidate. This foolishness about a man’s former pastor is nothing more than that reason. If we use this is a reason, no one that attends John Hagee’s, Jerry Falwells, Rod Parsley’s and other’s churches could ever run for president. THE CRACKER FACTOR IS ALIVE AND WELL!
By Paul
April 29, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
bon scott
It’s just fun with words to yank someone’s chain. It’s the definition of average - in this case, “average” intelligence can be the median, or midpoint, value. Half above, half below. So half are above midpoint, half are below.
Same with the population of Republicans.
Now, as far as comparing the intelligence represented by the midpoint of the Reps vs Dems…
Nader, anyone?
By @@
April 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Oopsee! AmVet’s OCD is contagious.
(((By Delta employee April 28, 2008 12:34 PM
At least they are already demoralized and their spirits are broken, so they should make excellent Delta employees.)))
Coulda been you AmVet. Sho nuff coulda been seein’s how you and Ralphie view corporations as the root of all that’s evil.
Besides, you’ve been caught posting under other names. See how that works? No room for innocence once guilt has been proven.
I can’t believe I’m gonna do this but I’ll follow my apology with an (ISH).
Bosch:
I can assure you the CEO of Delta does work harder.
In order to satisfy your sense of fairness, maybe Delta should hire the janitor as CEO. He’ll make a quick buck while the rest of the employees end up with zero as a result.
I begrudge no one the opportunity to succeed. It’s the promise of America for those who are so inclined.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
By GMAN 4:51 PM |
Go back and read my 10:28.
You liberals will call EVERY question of Obama’s record, his character, EVERYTHING a racial attack. It’s YOU who is making racial issues out of this, not the media or “white people”.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
By GMAN 4:51 PM |
Go back and read my 10:28.
You liberals will call EVERY question of Obama’s record, his character, EVERYTHING a racial attack. It’s YOU who is making racial issues out of this, not the media or “white people”.
By bon scott
April 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
written by Andee SEDPO (Secret Extremist Democratic Party Operative) - April 29, 2008 10:10 AM - Political ideologies are the religions of the common pinko liberal. You liberals worship the government as though it lived and died on the cross for your sins. Are you denying your “god” now?
Great work again, Andee. By making the false generalization that all “pinko liberals” aka Democrats worship Big Government as God, you alienate even more moderates (the church going ones) who might have considered voting GOP in November.
Like many Democrats, I go to church, and regard government (big or small) as a completely separate entity from my place of worship. I also do not regard government as a deity. There is only one God.
Don’t worry, I’m Protestant. So don’t include me in your slanders of everything Roman Catholic
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
See there, Bosch. Bon Scott and Paul are upper halfers.
All day you’ve been trying to get me to provide evidence to support the fact that half are below average, yet you don’t have the mental acuity to know that means half are above average and that’s pretty much true of any average. This would be funny if your grasp of most subjects discussed here weren’t every bit as shallow.
By Heime
April 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
“”Would a socialist diagree with corporate bailouts?”“
A socialist would have no choice. Under socialism the state owns the corporations. They own them to redistribute wealth. Once everything that isn’t tied down is state owned, the government ties up the worker to pay for the governments mistakes.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
I’ll tell you Y pastorgate is the turning point for Obama’s victory: Americans are THAT angry, and when they hear Obama’s pastor express anger in such a manly way, they realize that he speaks for all americans in our damning of Bush’s inflationary war for no reason other than he’s simple.
Osama bin laden is free to 911 our sorry azzes. Bush isn’t concerned where osama bin laden is, I mean, Y should he B? OBL only knocked down two of the trade center towers, who cares? Bush dont. See? Bush is simple minded, and a liability, and the destruction of the conservative movement in this country. The Great Rev. Wright, a veteran, will become a revered and respected leader because he’s saying what 70% of americans are feeling.
Point. Game. Set. Match.
Obama.
PS: 4 destroying conservatism, Bush is my hero.
By Paul
April 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
Bosch
Sometimes it isn’t how “hard” - it’s the influence one person can have.
Nissan was on the verge of going under. In comes Carlos Ghosn. Thousands of jobs on the line - not just production, also dealers, mechanics, suppliers. He gave Nissan a 50-50 chance.
Look an Nissan now. Highest margins in the business. Considering the turnaround and the jobs he saved, I’d say he was worth the millions.
But bozo after bozo - such as the guy who runs GE - stock value falling for what, nine years straight? - aren’t worth what they’re paid. But the fact they still have jobs, let alone the salaries they get, speaks volumes about the corrupt relationships at the pinnacles of power.
A middle manager with a record like that would have been fired after a year.
RB from Gwinnett,
If I may, Obama just said he was outraged by Wright’s comments at the National Press Club and saddened by the spectacle. He referred to Wright’s “ridiculous positions.”
As far as it not being the media - anecdotal, sure, but when I watched the news last night there was a segment on McCain’s tour. He’d been visiting elderly, talking about health care. Health care all day long. At the end of the day, every question from the media was - his reaction to Wright.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
See there, Bosch. Bon Scott and Paul are upper halfers.
All day you’ve been trying to get me to provide evidence to support the fact that half are below average, yet you don’t have the mental acuity to know that means half are above average and that’s pretty much true of any average. This would be funny if your grasp of most subjects discussed here weren’t every bit as shallow.
By Bush the catastrophe
April 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
Ding Dong the witch is dead!!!
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
@@,
Maybe so. The janitor might do a better job. The job might actually mean something to him/her and he/she wouldn’t be in it just to make a quick buck. Employees have much more loyalty to their company, at least in my opinion, than their upper management.
By Andiduh Logic
April 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
It snowed in Alaska yesterday. Somehow this proves that the US in winning the war in Iraq and that Reverend Wright is a terrorist.
By Buckminster
April 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Only “GMAN” at 4:56 knows what the “real issue” is, so why don’t you spare him the bogus post asking himself, and ask him yourself: “Gosh, GMAN, what is the ‘real issue’, please?”
He’s waiting…
He’s…uh…WAITING…
…(he’s still waiting…)
By @@
April 29, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
It’s kinda funny when you think about it. The liberals, when they accuse EVERYONE who doesn’t agree with Obama, racist is actually proving that Obama’s HOPE for America is dead…dead…dead.
You liberals should quit destroying Obama’s hope. It’s shameful!
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
{{{{By bon scott April 29, 2008 5:23 PM Like many Democrats, I go to church. Don’t worry, I’m Protestant.}}}}
Does your preacher hate America too, like you and reverend Wright?
You thought I would let this slide?:
{{{{By bon scott April 28, 2008 7:07 PM If you had even a basic knowledge of meteorology (which you obviously don’t, but I do) you would know that heavy snow occurs when air temperatures are comparatively warm.}}}}
Oh, I get it, so in this wild, wholly world of “global warming” we should expect snow to burst forth from the sky when the temperature is 80 degrees, eh?
You know I hail from the North, sweetheart, and I do have some idea what causes record snowfalls, especially when the previous record was from 1963, which happens to be before you junk scientists claim it started, uh, “warming.”
Remember your “hockey stick?”
Do tell us, Ken Cook Junior, why all of the record snows in 2007, when the average temperatures fell a degree?
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
No RB, all day long I’ve been trying to tell us how you come up with such a lame statistic. Which, I might add, you still haven’t done.
Paul,
That guy at Nissan actually cared about the company, he was realistic. I don’t care what someone does, they aren’t worth millions.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
Pastorgate. (heheheh he said pastorgate). Obama’s pastor is expressing the anger all americans feel. He’s a great leader, and he’s not only gonna stick around for the campaign, he’s got his own career in orbit now.
I’m that angry at Bush. I’m that angry at Cheney. I’m that angry of the last half century of our foreign policy decisions. Vietnam? really? What did they do? Some fishermen mooned a lookout on one of our destroyers? Panama? 750 civilians dead? Y? cause we were afraid that Noriega might squeeze access to HIS canal? That’s justice? Iraq? Y? Because the Saudi Royal Family owns defense corporations and you just cant beat bombs for turnover of inventory.
Yes, I THAT angry. The venerable Rev. Wright, a devout christian veteran has said NOTHING that LINCOLN didn’t say.
Lincoln said the god had damned america to the civil war’s bloodletting for the national sin of slavery. and that the bloodletting wouldn’t end until all 400 years had been atoned 4. ouch.
The honest rev. wright is expressing the anger that all thinking men with consciences are feeling.
Obama: Lincoln would approve, and so will you.
McCain: I’ve seen more vigor in a bowl of soup.
By Paul
April 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Since a main topic is the Wright issue -
Given he’s just stated he said he’s outraged and Wright’s positions are past nutty, Obama could do a great job of tying in his previous message of “change” in relation to the political process - polarization, partisanship above working for the common good, failed leadership, repetition of failed actions - to the Wright issue. Illustrate the same with racial policies (which he touched on in his speech a few weeks ago). Use pretty much the same words but be more explicit. He’s said he faults Rev Wright for emphasizing all that’s wrong with America - and omitting what’s right. Tie the lack of progress and the past policies of divide and conquer, blame, and no hope of leadership to the same thing we’ve seen in Washington on the political scene. Question the contradictions - politicians who advocate positions, hold hearings on minor issues, avoid difficult issues - to advance theirs or their party’s interests at the expense of the people. Same with the racial divide and how it enriches leaders but does not do enough to help the core constituency.
I don’t think he’d ever do it. I just find the parallels between the political process Obama laments and the racial process to be highly apparent and interesting.
By @@
April 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Bosch:
(((Employees have much more loyalty to their company, at least in my opinion, than their upper management.)))
Doesn’t it stand to reason that if an employee’s objective is to make a living then a CEO’s objective would be to keep a company solvent so that he could do the same at whatever level of income?
It’s human nature to want to survive and succeed if possible.
Younger employees aren’t displaying a loyalty to company. They tend to go where they can make the most money. They’re the “upwardly” mobile movers and shakers of tomorrow.
By GreenJeans
April 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
Paul:
More tongue-in-cheek than anything; thanks though. Clearly, work sucks today and I’d rather have some fun (and a beer). Cheers.
GMan:
Wow. Just…wow.
By Paul
April 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Bosch 5:39
Fair enough.
I just see someone who saved a company with a couple hundred thousand employees, lots of people outside Nissan whose livelihood depends upon Nissan, etc etc etc - well, someone like him, who did what he did, I could grant him that.
But a simple position = millions? Uh-uh.
By Snarky
April 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
McCain: I’ve seen more viagra in a bowl of soup.
Agreed! McCain is no dick.
Vote McCain.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
The Rev Wright is the new Lincoln. Lincoln said exactly what Wright said, that god damed america 4 slavery. the atonement was the civil war.
Lincoln. Obama. Wright. Triangulating Justice!
Conservatism is dead. Dont crowd the shroud.
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
-=-
Andy —
1) Planet warms up!
2) Ice melts at poles and on high mountains.
3) Atmosphere of Earth is a closed environment.
4) Cold and heat are displaced in the closed atmosphere and moves to different locations other than the points where that energy has been previously stored, like into oceans and air currents.
5) Weather patterns and Ocean currents are drastically changed due to new hot/cold variations.
6) There is cold where there should be heat, and heat where there should be cold. There are changes in weather due to new weather patterns caused by temperature inversions in the atmosphere and water.
7)There is specialized bio-diversity badly affected and killed off because their environments change drastically.
-=Sort of think about it as when you make home-made ice-cream and you pour rock salt on the Ice to make it melt faster so it transfers the cold to the ice cream churn to make the ice cream freeze faster.=-
Or at least listen to Newt Gingrich!
Cheers’
By AJC Management
April 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
{{{{“The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe they ended up giving comfort to those who prey on hate,” he said.}}}}
Oh, O.K, so for the last twenty years Obambi has been naive or perhaps he was really tired the whole time.
So now, finally, he tosses Wright over the side, where he joins Obambi’s Mommy and Grandma, and Bruno, who was thrown overboard by the pinko media, and Queen Pinko’s father, and Billy Klux Klinton, and the Daily Kooks…..
This is such an exciting dimokrat election kampaign, all of the cannibalism and self abuse, what could possibly be more rewarding?
I await with great anticipation the next back stabbing ambush to be sprung upon us.
By @@
April 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Alright, I don’t normally go to personal blogs for info but this guy’s had a pretty interesting take on the IQ factor. I agree with this poster’s comment.
(((So the real question is: if you’re like people in one of these three groups, is it smarter to be a Democrat? Well, to a good first approximation, it’s smarter to vote your interests than against them. If you’ve ever been on public assistance, it’s pretty stupid to vote for a politician who’s against welfare. If you’re a union member, it’s pretty stupid to vote for a politician who hates unions.)))
So how does a political party generate that interest?
Things are slow at Stratfor. There’s a good article on Turkey/Israel/Syria and the peace process.
It’s Turkey vs Iran for regional influence. I’m going with Turkey.
Serbia’s goin’ with the EU.
Putin’s got gas.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Thank you, the Hippy dippy weatherman, with the hippy dippy weather……man!
This guy really does know all about meteorology and median thermographic imagery trends of middle aged planets!
It’s like you guys just type whatever pops out of your head like a gumball machine.
Frightening, actually. Obama will put an end to ignorance once and for all.
Vote Obama. he’ll not tolerate dummies.
By Hans Apology
April 29, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
I’m going with @@ on the IQ test. Her comment places her three couching monkeys to the left of homomoron on the evolutionary chart!
bwa
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Thomas/PNAC,
What’s the earth’s ideal temperature?
Paul,
Obama has no easy out beyond a compliant press and a willingly uninformed public. Today he claimed that the outrageous things that Wright said on Monday at the NPC were so over the top that he now saw that he couldn’t be associated with the Pastor, but the things that were said at the NPC were simply the same things Wright has said all along. In that regard he has to either say he blind and deaf to the man for twenty years and has now seen the light. That doesn’t play very well for his claim of judgment and it’s deadly to his claim of being the one man that can go to any of our enemies and talk them into peace. Is a man that was fooled by his own Pastor for twenty years qualified to negotiate on your behalf? He isn’t on my behalf.
He also opens up another credibility gap issue by echoing Pastor Wright’s claim that he had been no spiritual mentor, just a Pastor. In The Audcacity of Hope he says Wright is the man responsible for bringing him to Christ. That’s more than “just a Pastor” to someone that is supposed to have found his path to Christ as an adult.
I heard Chris Wallace earlier today say that the one silver lining for Obama is that at least no one thinks he’s a Muslim anymore.
By @@
April 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
O-:MG, the Russian military has been training Chechen militants to fight in the event there’s a conflict with Georgia. So much for Putin’s own Islamic problem.
By Kast Tallman
April 29, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this
@@, apple of my Apple! Please don’t give psychometry such credence! It’s very simple: we did whatever it took to keep the wolf from the door.
You can’t empathize with statistics, after all. Did you learn nothing from Belsen Kamp?
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
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Ideal temperature?—
Sheesh —
Are you actually trying to compare an actual “location temperature value” to the relative thermodynamic conduction/convection cycle?
Ok to answer that in your simple logic -
It would be what is appropriate for that specific location and environment over an extended span of time.
But if your talking about the overall temperature of the earth, then that would be a comparitive analysis of the overall atmosphere, ocean and ground temperatures correlated together.
Which you better have a hefty computer and some time available to get your answer. (which I don’t have that kind of time thank you!)
If you follow NOAA it will be based in a +/- relative equation study. And that is the best analysis we have of our ongoing planetary ThermoDynamics.
NOAA is advancing those studies at present time.
Hope that somewhat enlightens you just a bit - oh’curious one!…
Cheers - and have a good night everyone —
Thomas
By Buy Danish
April 29, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
{{{By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 6:29 PMI heard Chris Wallace earlier today say that the one silver lining for Obama is that at least no one thinks he’s a Muslim anymore.}}}
Bamboozled Barry might as well just admit that he’s a Marxist and only joined this “church” to advance his political career.
By @@
April 29, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
(((@@, apple of my Apple!)))
Are you trying to tell me that you’ve got me tucked away somewhere in your Apple compooter? #:-O
I have to agree with RW’s 6:29 (not directly mind you since we’re no longer speaking) ISSSSSSH!
(((“What I think particularly angered me,” Obama said of Wright on Monday, “was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing.”)))
(((In a New York Times profile of the Obama-Wright relationship in April 2007, Wright himself predicted such a split based on the controversial remarks that were already under some scrutiny. “If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Wright told the paper over a year ago. “I said it to Barack personally, and ——->he said yeah, that might have to happen.”<——-)))
(((Whether Obama’s strong words of denunciation today were sincere or “political posturing” will be decided by the remaining Democratic primary voters, the party’s superdelegates and, perhaps, the national electorate. But it’s not a discussion that is likely to disappear entirely from the public’s consciousness.)))
It’s difficult to keep up with everything that has been said on the subject. Words do matter! Especially when they come back to bite you in the butt.
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
{{{{It would be what is appropriate for that specific location and environment over an extended span of time.}}}}}
So we’ve never had an ideal Thomas/PNAC defined temperature in any location on earth EVER. Great idea to try to create one now! /sarc
Buy Danish,
Two nights of Hillary on O’Reilly this week and Barry better just say he’s Karl Marx reincarnated and slink away. Maybe he’ll be stupid enough to take her bait and go on there himself.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
By Bosch 5:39 PM
{{{No RB, all day long I’ve been trying to tell us how you come up with such a lame statistic. Which, I might add, you still haven’t done. }}}
OK, Bosch, since I can’t draw you a picture in crayon, let me try… nevermind. It’s useless.
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 29, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this
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No RW — you apparently didn’t understand my answer. And I accept that you can not understand the concept of temperature values.
By the way - a thermometer is also a +/- value from the point that water freezes. It too is just an arbitrary number value we give to measure an energy dynamic. (thermodynamic in this case!)
You want an exact number that depends on WHAT? — sheesh? — Ok you give me an answer to your question if you think you can…
Come on — your so smart! (sarc) Do it!
-=-
By @@
April 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
Again, WORDS MATTER!
Cocky and competitive: Basketball is Obama’s sweaty platform
(((More than that, Obama hopes his passion for basketball helps soften his image as cool and aloof.)))
(((“Here is a place,” Obama told HBO, “where black was not a disadvantage.”)))
(((Typical trash talk.)))
(((But despite his size, Obama took every opportunity to career recklessly through the lane with his signature move:)))
(((Fake right and drive hard to the left.)))
Who’s stereotyping here…
Barack?
The AP Reporter?
or both.
I say both.
By Bosch
April 29, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Fair enough on the Nissan issue.
Good evening.
By Buy Danish
April 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
{{{Come on — your so smart! (sarc) Do it!}}}
OOOOOH! Can I play? I’m going to say that the ideal temperature is 1 degree less than it is today which brings us back to what it was about a century ago.
I say that because a one degree rise in average temperatures is what has you all hysterical about global warming dooming the planet.
By @@
April 29, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
Aaawwoooooooooo! Somebody left the door open.
Cool.
Let me take this opportunity to commend ml for finally acknowledging that Obama is or has a problem.
By RW-(the original)
April 29, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this
{{{{Come on — your so smart! (sarc) }}}}
Oh smart one Thomas/PNAC, shouldn’t that be you’re instead of your? I love it when you idiots always seem to screw up in the very sentences where you’re trying to insult someone else’s intelligence.
I don’t have an answer, nor do you. That’s why I find your claim to know what we should do to alter the temperature and even why we should try to be the height of arrogance and foolishness.
By RB from Gwinnett
April 29, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
Somebody please let Nissan’s CEO know Bosch approves of the job he’s doing. I’m sure he’s been dying to hear the verdict.
Now if you could just get your results for the S&P 500 into Wall Street, we sure would appreciate it.
By Issue Hunter
May 1, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Al-Wright already! Can we get back to the real political issues like health and education?. Thanks.
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