Mike Luckovich

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN – PLEASE RISE FOR OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM

AND

PATRIOTIC TUMMY ACHE????

By Kinja

April 16, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Cute. You think it’s expensive here, it’s just under $6 in Italy!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

White Haired Women For Barack Obama

By jethro bodine

April 16, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

And these prices are gonna keep goin’ up, pardners. We’ve known for 30 years that we were gonna hit the downhill side of the power curve someday, and that frickin’ day is now. No matter how much little sissies like Andi deny it, cheap and limitless amounts of oil ain’t comin’ back.

It’s a new day and we better get use to it.

By @@

April 16, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Here’s something that’ll turn that frown upside down Pope Benedict!

((((CNSNews.com) - Silvio Berlusconi’s return to power in Italy has been warmly welcomed by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, a fellow conservative who shares the Italian politician’s reputation for straight-talking and a pro-American, pro-Israel stance.)))

(((Berlusconi’s center-right People of Freedom party won a larger-than-expected majority in both houses of the Italian parliament in proportional representation elections held over two days earlier this week, returning him to the office of prime minister less than two years after he was voted out.)))

(((The victory for Berlusconi’s coalition also dealt a crippling blow to the left: for the first time since World War II, communists will not be represented in parliament. The leader of a joint left-wing coalition of communists and Greens resigned in reaction to the faction’s poor showing.)))

Cute cartoon ml.

By Scott

April 16, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Please, please, please show the Pope, like Moses, taking notice of a burning Bush!

By Beth Moffatt

April 16, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

You should be ashamed of yourself, Luckovich. I’m not even Catholic but I’m still offended by your cartoon showing the pope cursing. Shame on you!

By Lunatic Fringe

April 16, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Why is the Pope surprised? It cost me $140.00 every time I filled up my Mercedes E200 rent car last year in Germany, Switzerland and The Netherlands. Plus, to add insult to injury, they have pay toilets at the service plazas.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Blah blah blah rant blah blah blah rave blah blah blah stupid comment blah blah blah repeat crap I said yesterday blah blah blah another stupid comment blah blah blah…oh yeah {{{ {{{ }}}.

Sorry I am late, I fell asleep on the toilet.

By The Devil You Say

April 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Although not a Catholic, this is offensive.

By jethro bodine

April 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

If the pope looks honestly at this screwed up world and don’t curse, then there’s something wrong with the old boy!

By Just curious

April 16, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

If the Pope were the CEO of a major corporation and he covered up the pedophile actions of his employees, he would be arrested. Why is it different because his employees are priests, altar boys, counselors, etc.

By AmVet

April 16, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

That’s IT!!!!

I’m canceling my subscription!

Pray for rain, Benny…

By Catholic Church Fund Raiser

April 16, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

We need ALL Catholics to increase their tithes so we can cover our legal costs and cash settlements we have to make to our victims, er, I mean parishoners.

By Goldie

April 16, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

The Pope needs to come clean with Christians about the pedophilia that he’s been enabling to happen the world over — WHY???

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

How funny - the Pope “cussin.” Hey, the Pope is German, what do you expect.

Silvio Berlusconi is back in power in Italy? Ha! Ya’ gotta love Berlusconi - what a character. He’s got more scandals under his belt than Bill Clinton ever dreamed of, and is completely unashamed of any of them.

Yeah, more world leaders should be like Silvio. They are all mafioso, whether they admit it or not, they may call it something else, but Silvio will admit it!

And if the media starts to complain, he’ll just censor it, maybe “censor” is a harsh word, okay, maybe this is better - he’ll just buy the media outlet so he can control what gets out to the public.

Yeah, what a character!

I wonder if this means AC Milan will do better next season? Silvio will take care of that, I’m sure. A little Euro here to the refs, a little Euro there to the other ref, yeah, I predict a much better season for AC Milan next year.

Will Ronaldinho go to AC Milan? With Silvio back in power, Ronaldinho will go where Silvio wants, or else his knee might just get a little out of whack if you know what I mean!

Back to the toon - gas prices are so bad even the Pope is “cussin.” Wow, that’s saying alot.

By Jesus

April 16, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Europeans are sort of “done” with Christianity as we know it today. The Pope should spend more time over here, where, at least, some people still care about the church.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

WHY BE OFFENDED BY A CARTOON WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TRULY AND JUSTLY BE OFFENDED BY - YES, EVEN THOSE OF US RAISED CATHOLIC

AND MORE

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Clayton County and the city of Lithonia certainly got most of the dunces, but Cobb County seems to have all the sexual perverts. But, what else would you expect from a staunchly neo-con county that brought you Larry McDonald!!!

Gotta love the Republican “family values!”

Fire away, flat-earthers!

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Hey, I founda the Pope ina da Pizza!!

I wonder if the Pope will visit with Father Guido Sarducci while in America?

By Carbon Footprint

April 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

The pope apologized today for the Singing Nun, and all the Singing Nun coverbands that have sprung up around the world.

It’s about time.

Truthman, the earth could actually be flat. Planet formation itself evolves in space time, which gets warped by mass itself, so that the actual physical destiny of any coagulation of mass like a planet is a plane. We simply are unable to conceive of space/time, although mathematically we can prove it exists.

Remember, we are only two guys away from the monkey on the evolutionary chart, which is actually a hamster wheel, in space time, if you get my continental drift.

But dont let that stop you from your ingeniously original partisan sellout hacking. Gop bad. Libs good. Is that right? no left. We need more spin. Hamster wheel. I’m talking in circles, or planes, OMG I cant break out of this brain fart.

Einstein.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

What You Need To Know About McCain’s Economic Speech Today….Corporate Tax Cuts Are Still Front and Center…..Tax Cuts Blow a Hole in the Budget….The Gas Tax Break Is Temporary…..Deliver Most of Its Benefit to the Top

By Goldie

April 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 9:10 — it will be interesting to see what happens when the religious pedophiles in Texas finally face the judge in court! It’s all about old men wanting little girls, and calling it their “religion” — when will it end?

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AJC Management April 16, 2008 8:31 AM Blah blah blah rant blah blah blah rave}}}}

Ahhh, yes, whine when I post, whine when I don’t post.

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{{{{PHILADELPHIA, April 15 — Lost in the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign’s aggressive attacks on Barack Obama in recent days is a deep and enduring problem that threatens to undercut any inroads Clinton has made in her struggle to overtake him in the Democratic presidential race: She has lost trust among voters, a majority of whom now view her as dishonest.}}}}

A vast “left wing conspiracy” maybe?

Complete and total vindication for everything the Conservatives accused these lowlife power hungry POS all through the last 17 years.

Operation Chaos^^.

You know what is really funny, 17 years from now, when all the moonbat theories about Bushie “lying” will still be just that; moonbat theories.

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Limbaugh is “insignificant,” eh?

{{{{The battle between Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama over whether Mr. Obama belittled voters in small towns appears to have hardened the views of both candidates’ supporters and stirred anxiety among many Democrats about the party’s prospects in the fall.}}}}

McBushie better start paying attention to what the man says, if you know what I mean.

By Goldie

April 16, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Truthman — hopefully we’ll hear something soon from Father Guido now that the Pope is visiting America…

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

Hate to be the one, brother, but McDonald was a Democrat. Sometimes arrogance and power hungry mongers know no party affiliation. God rest his soul - horrible way to go. This whole Clayton County and Lithonia drama is almost as good as a Silvio Berlusconi scandal - but Silvio is much classier than these clowns!

Goldie,

I wrote about that some yesterday, and so did Paul. There’s a lot about that case that bothers me, I’m all for people believing what they want, even if it is off the charts in my book, as long as they obey the law, but I agree with your assessment of these men - pretty much just - yuck.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Hey, how many of you “evolutionists” agree with your “god” on this subject:

{{{{Since evolution requires variation, Darwin and other early Darwinists believed in human inequality. Haeckel emphasized inequality to such as extent that he even classified human races as twelve distinct species and claimed that the lowest humans were closer to primates than to the highest humans.}}}}

Just curious but when you pinkos say “lower human species,” uh, pray tell, what does this mean?

Sickos.

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{{{{But when the corps sent copious amounts of water down to Florida for the prehistoric fish and several types of threatened and endangered freshwater mussels, with very little scientific data to support the need for the additional water, Gov. Sonny Perdue and state Environmental Protection Division Director Carol Couch protested, to no avail.}}}}

Prehistoric fish?

I thought everything was evolving?

Why did Mr. Prehistoric Fish stop evolving, did he achieve perfection?

By Paul

April 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

IThN 9:27

Ah, you never fail to disappoint.

I’m sure your sources glossed over this, -no, wait, I’ll bet they didn’t even mention it, but the Democratic Senate, in their efforts to help American homeowners in this financial mess, made Republican big business Senators look like amateurs (remember, this was a bill to help homeowners:

nationwide builders, who made huge profits the past few years, would now get millions in refunds by charging their current losses against past profits.

Ford and General motors get $40 mil in tax credits - even though they didn’t earn enough in previous years to claim a rebate.

Airlines and manufacturers get this welfare as well

It appears the way your farleft sources defend the indefensible is to just ignore it.

Nader IS in, right?

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Andy,

What does it matter if God created the first dust particle that set the entire universe in motion or not?

What does that have to do with the here and now?

It is my opinion that too many people are too concerned with how it all happened, and what will happen next (after they die) and forget about what is going on around them in the present.

I really don’t care about Mr. Prehistoric Fish.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Paul.

That disapointment is mutual.

Really man, you’re starting to behave like one of …..no….I don’t even want to think that.

Maybe time to do some text analysis though….

By jethro bodine

April 16, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Hey Andi, I guess you were a little late due to your early mornin’ therapy session. Does your therapist comment on you callin’ everyone a bunch of nasty names? Have you ever seen that Far Side cartoon where the therapist is writin’ down on his pad “Just Plain Nuts!!!” Guess who that was about, big feller?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Much to be desired from McCainonomics

WARNING:

LIBERAL WEB SITE

WON”T GLOSS OVER CURRENT RECESSION

By Silly Rube Clinging to Religion and Guns

April 16, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Bosch - to answer your question, it is quite simple. If God did indeed make the universe and set everything in motion, then he will be your ultimate judge, so it matters very much in the here and now. It is just that simple. God does not matter only if you do not believe in him and if he does indeed exist, then your spurning of him will lead to eternal separation from him, which is the very definition of HELL.

By LMAO

April 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Yea right!!!! LMAO!!!

Like anyone is going to be schooled on how the universe was created by some blog addicted crazy person that has no life himself!!!! How can you explain life when you don’t have a life?????

Tell us all about it crazy AJC Management guy!!! LMAO!!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

These Democrats said that the Ways and Means chairman, Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, and other leaders, including Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, would oppose the provision as benefiting builders at a time when Congress should be helping homeowners. “This ship largely sailed when Congressional Republicans left it out of the stimulus package,” said one House Democratic aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to interfere with negotiations.

INSTEAD OF JUST COPYING WHAT YOU LIKE OUT OF A NYT PIECE, WHY NOT JUST LINK TO THE WHOLE THING.

(That’s how IT does it, you don’t want to be compared to that do you!)

By Paul

April 16, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

IThN 9:27

McCain makes proposals that sound like they came from a Democrat - yet because he’s a Rep your sources go into full spin mode.

Let’s take a look:

McCain wants people who earn over $160,000 a year to pay more for their drugs. Your source opposed it because it would save “only” (their word” a billion a year. “Only.” Obama won’t consider it. Hillary won’t address it. Who’s protecting the wealthy and who’s looking out for the average person?

The gas tax suspension: your sources don’t like it because it’s temporary. Can you imagine if a Republican had used that excuse? BTW - the gas tax is what pays for roads. No kidding the cut is temporary.

Doubling the exemption for children, doing away with the alternate minimum tax: AMT was implemented to make sure 150 superwealthy who paid no taxes would pay. Now it hits the middle class with higher tax bills. McCain wants it gone. Good for him.

The dependent deduction: same old argument that it benefits the wealthy. The deduction is subtracted from gross income to arrive at taxable income. The objection is weak. Here’s the latest from the Congressional Budget Office (you know, the office that works for the Democratic Congress):

The top 1 percent (taxable incomes $1.3 mil) pays nearly 40 percent of income taxes.

The top 20 percent (taxable incomes above $215,000) pays 86 percent of income taxes.

The top 40 percent (taxable incomes above $85,000) pay 99.4 percent of all income taxes.

The 60 percent who have taxable incomes less than $58,000 pay six tenths of one percent of income taxes.

So of course an exemption is worth less to the people who make less!

Oh, source: Congressional Budget Office, Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates 1979-2005, released Dec 2007.

For the record, I think McCain is wrong to extend the tax cuts to the upper 1 percent. Other reforms should stay in place. But Hillary and Obama want to repeal the entire law - which would end child care credits and put many low-to-middle income people back on the tax rolls.

How would McCain pay for some of these reforms? End corporate welfare. End earmarks. Freeze gov’t discretionary spending (except military).

Obama’s and Hillary’s reactions were typical sound bites invoking Bush. Hillary’s remark wa

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Bosch, Larry McDonald, late congressman from Cobb Co., was, most assuredly, one of the early vanguard of neo-cons in America. He may have “said” he was a Dem, but as the president of the John Birch Society, he was about as much a democrat as current DINO Joe “Lie”berman.

Attached is the link to a very good synopsis of the Uber-nutcase, Lawrence Patton McDonald…a fine son of Cobb County if there ever was one!!

http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkesmore/his36flight.html

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Should Andy refrain from discussing things that interest him just because they don’t interest you? I think the bigger question was the one about whether Darwinism inherently views humans in various species groups and not as equals rather than the jab he took about the fish.

Paul,

Welcome to world of little newsie namejacker’s delusions. Apparently part of his paranoia includes me being a William Ragsdale character and you’re now one of us.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Mr. Rube,

Oh, well, that explains everything. Thanks?

By Paul

April 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

IThN

Let me rephrase it this way:

To say one party is always pure and the other party is always bad is ridiculous. Once elected, there ain’t that much difference between Reps and Dems in who they’ll support behind the scenes so they can continue to get the money to fund their reelection campaigns.

Money and power, remember?

Hi Goldie,

I’m partway through a book I thought you might find worthwhile. It’s terribly tough to get through, but worthwhile. “The Slave Ship, a Human History” by Prof Marcus Rediker of the University of Pittsburgh. He spent thirty years researching this and says it was to “illuminate the lives of those thought to have left no trace.”

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Shun the medieval worshipers of gods! Religion is just an excuse for people not to rely on themselves. Religion is a crutch - the opiate of the masses and the cause of most death, destruction and misery on earth.

But, here’s a question for the believers out there:

Don’t you think we’d get more political mileage if we welcomed some Islamic leaders to America as lavishly as the Bushies are welcoming the Pope? Maybe the would show that Americans are tolerant, respectful and at peace with the Arab World?

I’ll answer that one for Andi:

Islam Evil!! My god better!!

Remember the Spanish Inquisition!?! Gosh, those were good times, eh, Andi? Kill ‘em if they won’t convert!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Could it be that your sources or you yourself spin?

OH HEAVENS NO!!!

Don’t mean to insult you, but I will take the word of my sources over that of a run-of-the-mill right winger on the AJC blog.

By Setting the Record Straight

April 16, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Larry McDonald was a creep who was opposed by the Republicans. He also was not the President of the John Birch Society, a group which organizes itself along the lines of the Russian Communist party - democratic centralism. They are really indistinguishable from other authoritarians or totalitarians. They are kooks who have been rejected by such conservative luminaries as Goldwater and Reagan. They barely exist today. Today McDonald sleeps with the fishes, literally. His soul rests somewhere between the third and 7th circles of Dante’s Inferno!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

PAUL KRUGMAN VS. PLAIN OLD PAUL - YOU DECIDE

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

PAUL

THIS IS THE TRUTH

“To say one party is always pure and the other party is always bad is ridiculous. “

FORTUNATELY, I HAVE NEVER PROPOSED THAT RIDICULOUS THOUGHT.

RW,

Funny how you just pop up conveniently….MMMMMMM?

By Paul

April 16, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

IThN 10:17

I specifically said “Senate.” House Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Rangel, Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, are in…

the House!

Their bill was quite different. But blaming the Senate bill on Republicans just gets tiresome. Unless they’re in control. And if they aren’t, Sen Reid isn’t doing too good a job of exercising power.

BTW - it wasn’t solely a NYT piece. Many articles cited “from wire reports.”

Now then, instead of approaching this on a Party basis, care to analyze the proposals on their face, without regard to who made the proposal or who had a reaction comment? Might I suggest the proposal to have people making over $160,000 a year pay a bit more for their prescription drugs, even while taxpayers continue to pay for the rest?

IThN 10:32

My “sources” were the Congressional Budget Office and wire services. No blogs. Having said that, see the previous paragraph, please. It requires analysis and opinion, not linking.

RW-(the original)

First Bosch’s social club and now this! Wow!

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Setting the Record sorta straight.

Google “Larry McDonald” and you will see that, indeed, he was president of the John Birchers. Not that that’s either here or there. Either way, the N. Koreans did real Americans a favor (with apologies to his family).

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks for your input, but it’s not necessary. But that’s really nice of you to be Andy’s interpreter for me.

Truthman,

Like I said, those who are power hungry and arrogant know no party affiliation, only look for ways to achieve their ultimate goal as ruler of the universe. :-)

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

RW,

Oh, I see I didn’t answer your question.

No, I certainly do not feel Andy should refrain from discussing things that interest him just because they don’t interest me.

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

ITN: I’ll go wit Paul Krugman!

Bosch,

Thanks and “Hooah!”

By Paul

April 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

IThN 10:35

LOL! Krugman’s piece was written BEFORE McCain’s proposals!

He also hits Obama and Hillary.

He takes them all on for not addressing this country’s long-term financial crisis (Medicare and Social Security make up 40 percent of Fed spending, projected to rise to 70 percent in 20 years).

Krugman also hit the Senate Bill for the very breaks that McCain attacked!
So Krugman and I are in agreement! Thanks - LOL!!!

By Paul

April 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

IThN 10:39

‘“To say one party is always pure and the other party is always bad is ridiculous. “

FORTUNATELY, I HAVE NEVER PROPOSED THAT RIDICULOUS THOUGHT.’

I know. But the sources to which you often link seem to think so.

BTW - do your sources have anything to say about the Agriculture Bill the Dems put forth, not all that indistinguishable from past bills by Reps, that continues to subsidize wealthy farmers and megacorporations?

They don’t? Too bad…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Paul

But the sources to which you often link seem to think so.

SEEM to think so?

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Just scanning the news —-

Hmmmmmm……..

Supreme Court upholds lethal injection - good.

Record number of home foreclosure, holy cow, over 7,000 this month in metro Atlanta - I wonder if they put that on billboards.

AND - OH MY GOD - GRITS JUMPING!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Why so testy today? And if it’s not too taxing for you what are your thoughts on the inequality of man based on Darwinism?

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{{{{{Funny how you just pop up conveniently….MMMMMMM?}}}}}

newsie namejacker,

It’s not like I’ve contributed to this blog since day one or anything. Oh wait….I have. Spam on!

By Paul

April 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

IThN 11:04

I’d really appreciate some examples. Surely you don’t mean the Congressional Budget Office? I’ll use factcheck for evaluation of political claims. I’ll link to a columnist for analysis of an opinion and - this is important - put it out not in defense or attack - but to explore the idea. I’ll use a lot of the wire services - as they’re the ones from which the print media - and some broadcasters - base their stories.

But by and large, I try to evaluate the issue at hand, regardless of who said it. See my past comments on Obama. Or comments on economic conditions under Clinton. Or the explosion of Federal spending since Reagan.

But it does seem to me that you’ll be quiet about that, but any time one of your sources or analysis is challenged, the fallback response is “right-wing bias.”

By RamblinLonghorn

April 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

It’s probably been said already, but prices in Europe are much higher than America. By now I’m assuming places like Italy are pushing 6$ a gallon.

By Goldie

April 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

I believe Paul Krugman may be overlooking the fact that we have BORROWED BILLIONS OF $$$ FROM CHINA to finance Dubya’s war — dontcha think that may have a wee bit of influence on the de-valuing of the American dollar???

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{“The fact is, though, that no one’s been a more stalwart ally of Israel}}}}}}

Pop quiz: Was that statement made by

A. George W Bush

B. Joe Lieberman

C. Barack Obama

By Translator

April 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Pedophile is Latin for priest.

By Soothsayer

April 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Look on the bright side! When you home is foreclosed on, you can live in your SUV!

In the near future, the monster trucks and SUVs we drive will be on display in museums.

We should commission a study to find what part of the brain desires GIANT vehicles to get to work or take the kids to soccer.

I read that if each person in the US used ONE less gallon of gas per week, the price of oil would collapse.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

IThN

Do you really think if Obama had called for people making over $160,000 a year to pay for more of their prescription drugs the sites would have written the same things they did when McCain proposed it?

Do you think if Hillary had called for doubling the amount of personal exemptions the sites would have written he same things they did when McCain proposed it? Same if Hillary had proposed a suspension of the gas tax?

Just a day or so ago I wrote I thought it would be interesting if McCain got back to his anti-traditional-Republican stances and more populist. I wrote it would be interesting to see how media treated ideas when the only distinguishing characteristic was Who said it, not What was said.

Then McCain put forth his proposals and the reactions came. Just illustrates, again, for many, that ideology trumps ideas.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

RW,

Testy? Not so testy, just a pollen headache - been kicking back BC powders all morning.

Anyway, my thoughts on Darwin’s theory of inequality of man? Don’t know much about it, but just off the cuff, I think that’s pretty much a crock of sh!t (sorry, Mr. Devil). As a species, I don’t think there is any group of people superior to another - I mean, we kind of dismissed the whole Aryan Race thing a few decades ago, right? And the Klan’s literature of how African Americans have smaller brains don’t really play out so well with me either.

Now, I do believe in some degree to social darwinism, but not in the sense that one society is better or more advanced than another - some different societies go through the same phases, some do it before another.

For example, Christianity is a good example in my opinion. Look at the secularism phenomenon in Europe. From what I’ve read, Europeans are not as church going as they once were, and when the drafters of the European Union were writing drafts of their new Constitution, they left it out (or wanted to - don’t know whatever happened with that).

Now, I certainly can not speak for all Europeans, but the ones I know? Most have never stepped foot in a church, must less know much of anything about Christianity.

Now, I’m not saying that’s a good thing or bad thing - it’s just happening. Europeans still predominantly identify themselves as Christian, but they don’t embrace the religion with quite the same fervor as Americans.

I think there is also a religious move in this country as well - kind of a same shift as you see in Europe, only a little behind.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Soothsayer,

Some years back 60 Minutes had a piece about a psychologist who was a corporate consultant - well known and super expensive - who did a lot of work for Ford when big SUVs were just introduced. He talked about feelings of power, dominance, fear of injury, being in control - then advised on ad campaigns and designs. Ford paid him a lot - as the margins on SUVs were much better than for cars.

Vehicles are emotional decisions for most.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Earlier I said “when you pinkos say ‘lower human species’ uh, pray tell, what does this mean?” After much thought, I now realize it means me. {{{{Down with pinkos, commies, liberals, the Urinal and anyone else who doesn’t think like me}}}} After all, I represent the majority of American people.

By The Wire

April 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

President Bush was visibly angry this morning when he told media that the Pope had not “brought him one of those cool hats.” Said the President, “It’s unfortunate…I planned on wearing it this summer when I go see the ninjas…might not go now.” When a follow up question asked if he was suggesting a boycott, he replied, “No…I might just not go.”

By Dieting

April 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Has anyone out there in AJC bloggerland tried Alli for weight loss?

By Paul

April 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Given the nervousness with which many in the American Jewish Community view Obama (some researchers have said as many as 40 percent of Jewish Democrats could vote for McCain) I’ll hazard a guess at Israel.

As an example of an idea that will be attacked, not on its merits, but on its authorship, see:

Link: The Holocaust Declaration

If Obama announced it, he’d get a lot of those voters back.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

{{{{Anyway, my thoughts on Darwin’s theory of inequality of man? Don’t know much about it, but just off the cuff, I think that’s pretty much a crock of sh!t (sorry, Mr. Devil). As a species, I don’t think there is any group of people superior to another}}}}

Bosch,

I agree with that whole heartedly, but it flies in the face of Darwinism. Speaking of the Aryan race thing, Hitler was a big Darwiniac. Too bad Blowhard isn’t around to address the question. Maybe he’ll “enlighten” us later.

Try Goody powders powered by those 6 1/2 oz Cokes you can get down at the General Store. Works great for hangovers so a pollen headache should be a snap.

By w00t

April 16, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Expelled Exposed

“In practically every scene, Expelled insults the science of evolution and the scientists who study it, accepting the long-ago-debunked criticisms and conspiracy theories of the intelligent design proponents as valid. On the contrary, evolution is well accepted in the scientific community, where it is considered the organizing principle of biology and central as well to the field of geology. The notion that scientists have formed an atheistic cabal to keep intelligent design from its day in the sun is ludicrous.”

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Soccer moms sure do get a bag rep. I think it’s a conspiracy theory this country has against soccer. You don’t hear about “football moms” or “baseball moms” or “basketball moms,” or the “ballet moms” driving around in big honking SUVS - NO, it’s the “soccer moms.”

People, people, more parents drive their kids to football, baseball, and basketball, and dance practice than they do to soccer practice. OKAY?????

Paul,

I had a thought the other night while watching a commercial for an SUV - it’s like the car manufacturers WANT you to live in your car - I mean they’ve got tvs, dvds, coolers, you name it! Some cars today are better than apartments I’ve lived in.

LAY OFF THE SOCCER!!!!!

By Paul

April 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

RW

Thoughts got ahead of the keyboard, again. I take it you inferred I meant “I’ll hazard a guess at Obama.”

Bosch

Zyrtec is now over the counter. Worked for me where other stuff didn’t.

Then again, there’s always alcohol -

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’ll ask Floyd if he’s got any Goody’s when I go out later.

Darwinism, like any “theory,” has alot of holes in it and alot of “science” or whatever that has stood the test of time. Theories are kind of an organic thing, which is why I’m very hestitant to say something, like global warming, is this or that. I believe it’s happening, don’t know why, but I have my own beliefs as to why and I’ll go with that. We’ll see what holds up in the future and what doesn’t.

I can see where someone like Hitler would be a big Darwiniac. He thought that somehow Darwin’s “science” justified his madness. Alot of Klanners are the same way, they quote Darwin almost as much as God.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Soccer moms are just another thing to thank the Clintons for.

Mild content warning on the link.

By Fly_on_the_Wall

April 16, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

I think to help understand SOME, not all, of the reasons why Europeans do not attend church is to look at the history of the church within European society. For centuries it held sway over society and what people could think or do. Eventually the citizens had enough of that and pushed the church aside. They saw it for what it was, another group of people taking their money and telling them what they could and could not do (mainly the could not part). They saw it as an extension of government since in their history different leaders were considered to be ‘of or from God’ simply because they were the leader - you know, the ‘Divine Right’ thing. How could they trust the church after that? THAT is what our Founding Fathers wanted to avoid in the country when they formed this nation and SEPARATED the church from the state. Ask the Pope how much wealth the Catholic Church has, that is another big reason right there.

Let the outrage on my statement commence.

By JohnC in Florida

April 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

I recommend Jared Diamond’s book “Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed” Jimmy Carter told us “There are limits”. Reagan said Americans can do anything, so we voted for Reagan. Perhaps now it will sink in….. 38 years late.

We are in deep trouble.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

SECRETARY CHERTOFF: Well, first of all, a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they’re like footprints. They’re not particularly private.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Sorry Fly, bit if you want outrage to commence you’ll have to say something outrageous. I think your 12:18 is pretty accurate.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 16, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

How many times have we heard Republicans whine about “activist liberal judges” who “legislate from the bench”? The implication is of course that liberal judges overturn laws passed by Congress in order to push their own left wing ideologies. That is one of the many lies that Republicans endlessly blabber on about in order to lead people to believe that they respect the democratic process more than Democrats do. The truth is that Republicans have no choice but to lie about this and every other major issue of interest to the American people. How else could a Party whose every act favors wealthy corporations and individuals at the expense of the vast majority of American citizens hope to have a chance of surviving in a democracy?

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Oh why do I do this to myself? It must be some kind of self-torture thing I have - why in the world would I read Wooten’s editorial and the comments when I know, I know what some people are going to say about Jimmy.

By beejay

April 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

I’m sure Luckovich thinks he’s clever and brilliant, as usual, but gas in Rome, Italy, is higher than here, by at least $1 a gallon. The cartoon is a cheap shot, not so much at Catholics or the Pope which some posters think, but at the U.S., as usual. It just makes him look dumber than usual.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Fly,

No outrage here either - it pretty much hits the nail on the head - and I feel the same thing is happening here, just a little behind Europe.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Why do these fever swamp blogs continue to push the lie that we’re a Democracy is a better question.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The reference to AIPAC is especially laughable. AIPAC doesn’t have a ratings system for presidential candidates, but perhaps its new competitor will. So-called “doves” want to launch a new lobbying group in Washington to pressure Israel into making even more concessions for a peace settlement as a means to counteract the efforts of AIPAC. Guess who has an instrumental role in setting up this opposition to AIPAC? Robert Malley, the only American official to blame Israel for Yasser Arafat’s refusal to accept a peace settlement in the last gasps of the Clinton administration.

DING DING DING…the answer was indeed C. Obama.

Oh and Malley works for the Obama campaign too.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

IThN 12:21

Well now we can agree. That was a pretty silly remark. As a person who’s quite in favor of privacy, leave me alone, mind your own business and stay out of others’ (my right wing bias?) I find the attitude a bit dangerous. I just wish the link referenced the objective of sharing the data among the countries. Is it all data? Or fingerprints of terrorists? But again, the issue was on Chertoff (in this case it’s proper - he said it) but too short on what led to it.

IThH 12:28

Some take a slightly different view - it’s not that judges overturn laws to advance their agendas - it’s the view they stretch for Constitutional protections (Roe v Wade is a classic example) where they think none exist.

But really - high school government - didn’t the teacher have you read Supreme Court cases, split decisions, and illustrate how Justices used the law to advance their viewpoint?

BTW - no word yet on the Rev Jeremiah Wright’s new house? The Rev’s moving into a 10,000 sq ft (not a misprint) house on a golf course in a community of rich white people. Worth about a mil and a half, has a ten mil line of credit attached.

Isn’t that great? After all these years of telling the poor people on Chicago’s south side how the system’s hosing them (in spite of his background) - he’s been able, within this corrupt system, to… wait, this line of reasoning is getting problematic. Is Rev Wright now part of the oppressive establishment?

:-)

Plenty of hits directed towards the televangelist crowd (rightly so, it appears from some of the financial dealings). Shouldn’t take the sites too long to regenerate the same press releases and insert Rev White’s name…

By Devastator

April 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Bruce Springsteen Endorses Obama Huffington Post | Rachel Sklar | April 16, 2008 09:44 AM

Legendary all-American rocker Bruce Springsteen has thrown his red bandanna into the political ring, today endorsing Barack Obama for President on his website.

Wrote Bruce:

Like most of you, I’ve been following the campaign and I have now seen and heard enough to know where I stand. Senator Obama, in my view, is head and shoulders above the rest.

He has the depth, the reflectiveness, and the resilience to be our next President.

He speaks to the America I’ve envisioned in my music for the past 35 years, a generous nation with a citizenry willing to tackle nuanced and complex problems, a country that’s interested in its collective destiny and in the potential of its gathered spirit. A place where “…nobody crowds you, and nobody goes it alone.

The endorsement seems to have been prompted by Obama’s recent comments about Pennsylvanians being “bitter” and “clinging” to guns and various prejudices, first reported by the Huffington Post — and seems to take a swipe at Hillary Clinton in his endorsement:

At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships. While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man’s life and vision, so well described in his excellent book, Dreams of My Father, often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our Constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment.

So: Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama doesn’t respect his small-town fellow Americans can take it up with the guy who wrote “Born In The U.S.A.” (and “Thunder Road,” and “The River,” and “Backstreets” and “Badlands” and pretty much a zillion classic songs about working-class life in small-town America).

What’s interesting about this endorsement from a new media perspective: It went up on the Boss’ website. That’s where it broke, and from what I can tell we were the third site to pick it up (kudos to you, CBS News and Marc Ambinder). It’s going to go huge, obviously, and it’s gonna happen before noon (cable news producers

By Paul

April 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

IThN

Sorry, last sentence, I was wrong on White. It’s Wright. Now I’m right on Wright.

By bon scott

April 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

I don’t mean to pick on your musings alone, RW, since you’re echoing the ideas that Andee has so recklessly put forth. But you were easier to link to, so….

By RW-(the original)- April 16, 2008 11:54 AM - {{{{Anyway, my thoughts on Darwin’s theory of inequality of man? Don’t know much about it, but just off the cuff, I think that’s pretty much a crock of sh!t (sorry, Mr. Devil). As a species, I don’t think there is any group of people superior to another}}}} I agree with that whole heartedly, but it flies in the face of Darwinism.

Most of Dawin’s theories have been rejected by modern scientists. He was kind of a loony-tune, and his ideas on eugenics would make most fair thinking people today nauseous.

But his theory (not fact, but theory) has generally stood the test of time. It beats the heck out of the Biblical idea of the universe created in 6 days 6000 years ago, and everything staying te same since then. For example, the numerous ice ages of the past (obviousy NOT caused by humans) wiped out some species, while others adapted and survived. Darwin’s ideas about “levels” of humanity were basically trashed when biologists discovered that nearly all humans (no matter what race) have no problem reproducing; but no one’s ever successfully crossed a human with a chimp or a gorilla… or a chimp and a gorilla, for that matter.

Darwin was a primitive scientist who had a few good ideas that have stood the test of time… so far.

On another matter..

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Thanks finch, are you drunk so early in the day?

A discredited crackpot whose crackpot ideas have been rejected by scientists yet stood the test time of time anyway is a stretch even for you.

By getalife

April 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Good one Mike.

Obama voted yes on cheney’s energy bill, Clinton voted no.

He is lying about everything like not taking their money and people are starting to see they are getting punked by Obama.

He just can’t tell the truth about anything or apologize for insulting them.

He is a fraud and not a different kind politician. Just another lying, divisive, politics as usual.

Clinton will attack his lies in the debate.

By w00t

April 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis. Press release August 22, 2006 - Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham H. Foxman

This is yet another attempt by creationist to prey on the minds and feelings of people and not argue the information in peer-reviewed science papers or the mounds of evidence.

By W stands for worst

April 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

As someone who was raised Catholic but shunned the church after the pedophile priest scandal, i see nothing wrong with this toon. Actually im glad to see the Pope has the same reaction i do when i fill up….

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Bon Scott wrote:

“Most of Dawin’s theories have been rejected by modern scientists. He was kind of a loony-tune, and his ideas on eugenics would make most fair thinking people today nauseous.”

First, it’s “Darwin.” Second, people are nauseated, not nauseous. Third, please list the scientists and their academic affiliations who had, in your words, “rejected Darwin’s theories.”

Bosch, please don’t play into the creationists hands. A scientific theory is one that has stood up to peer review and is replicable in the labortory. Gravity and relativity are only theories, but they seem to hold true and have withstood rigorous peer review.

Please, Bosch, remember that science is why we live longer, better, drink Tang and have Teflon, Gore-Tex and synthetic b00bs!!!

By Fly_on_the_Wall

April 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

I think to help understand SOME, not all, of the reasons why Europeans do not attend church is to look at the history of the church within European society. For centuries it held sway over society and what people could think or do. Eventually the citizens had enough of that and pushed the church aside. They saw it for what it was, another group of people taking their money and telling them what they could and could not do (mainly the could not part). They saw it as an extension of government since in their history different leaders were considered to be ‘of or from God’ simply because they were the leader - you know, the ‘Divine Right’ thing. How could they trust the church after that? THAT is what our Founding Fathers wanted to avoid in the country when they formed this nation and SEPARATED the church from the state. Ask the Pope how much wealth the Catholic Church has, that is another big reason right there.

Let the outrage on my statement commence.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

I thought the science was settled!?!?!

{{{{{Now, six months later, a fellow Nobel Peace Prize recipient is part of a group asking the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change “admit that there is no observational evidence in measured data going back 22,000 years or even millions of years that CO2 levels (whether from man or nature) have driven or are driving world temperatures.”}}}}}

Since it is a metaphysical certitude media will ignore this Prize winner, the following is a complete reprint of a letter sent to the IPCC on Monday (with permission):

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

I believe Hitler had these very same thoughts:

{{{{Darwinism overturned the Judeo-Christian view of death as an enemy, construing it instead as a beneficial engine of progress. Darwin remarked in The Origin of Species, “Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows.”}}}}

~~~~~

Things that you heard from the Duh Report that the Urinal, a year later, cannot hide anymore:

{{{{Hillary Clinton abandoned her “elitist” line of attack against Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama on Tuesday amid questions about her own success in helping economically troubled rural areas in her home state of New York.-Urinal}}}}

She hasn’t done squat for NY, why would anyone believe she will do any better for the whole entire country?

~~~~~

{{{{Atlanta’s projected $65 million budget deficit this year has exposed other problems with the city’s finances. For example, although property values and the city’s population have increased in recent years, the city last year collected the same amount of money from property taxes as it did in 2004 —- $128 million.-Urinal}}}}

It is rather remarkable that a bunch of libs would miss the opportunity to levee more taxes on their helpless citizens but is this really a “problem?”

You can almost sense the panic felt by these pinkos realizing that their precious life blood, your hard earned money, has eluded their wormy grasp.

Almost like drug addicts.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Um, Paul, um, wow - this is something I can not relate to and for the life of me does not know how something like this exists, but how does one get a ten million line of credit on a house?

I am obviously so poor and out of the rich people loop, but life is good here in Hootervillemayberryland.

bon scott,

You said it much better than my “crock of sh!t” line. :-)

I think holding on to Darwin’s theories as absolute truths when they have obviously been debunked by modern knowledge is about as absurd as holding on to the Bible as the absolute truth, but that’s just me.

RW,

I told you I didn’t know that much about Darwin’s ideas, and I guess I should have stuck with that before my essay earlier. Now that I’ve refreshed my memory about social darwinism, my essay about Christianity in Europe, as I see, had really nothing to do with social darwinism, but rather just simple sociological patterns.

So, nevermind all that. But, the part about Darwin’s theories regarding inequality of man being a crock of sh!t, I’m still sticking with that one.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

An e-mail from a reader said that, while Hillary Clinton tells lies, Barack Obama is himself a lie. That is becoming painfully apparent with each new revelation of how drastically his carefully crafted image this election year contrasts with what he has actually been saying and doing for many years.

By Truthman

April 16, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Creationists and global warming deniers!!!

Goodness, what a bunch of uneducated bumpkins there are in the world.

OK, even if there is no global warming, do you really think it’s better to have to suckle at the teet of Arab nations controlling Bush’s oil, or should we take it upon ourselves to ween ourselves of non-renewable energy sources? Do you really believe that’s the best way…TO DO NOTHING!?!

Hopefully, if you have procreated, your children will have more sense - and sense of community - than you creationists and global do-nothings!

By bon scott

April 16, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Jeez, truth. I’m sorry my spell-checker doesn’t work to your satisfaction, and that sometimes I’m just too damn lazy to correct errors in spelling that are obvious but that are apparently more important to you than what I’m actually trying to say.

Oh well. It’s a free country.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

It really is something that a foreigner thinks more of America than the 48% whiny little cry baby liberals that live here do:

{{{{From the dawn of the Republic, America’s quest for freedom has been guided by the conviction that the principles governing political and social life are intimately linked to a moral order based on the dominion of God the Creator. The framers of this nation’s founding documents drew upon this conviction when they proclaimed the “self-evident truth” that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights grounded in the laws of nature and of nature’s God. The course of American history demonstrates the difficulties, the struggles, and the great intellectual and moral resolve which were demanded to shape a society which faithfully embodied these noble principles. In that process, which forged the soul of the nation, religious beliefs were a constant inspiration and driving force, as for example in the struggle against slavery and in the civil rights movement. In our time too, particularly in moments of crisis, Americans continue to find their strength in a commitment to this patrimony of shared ideals and aspirations.}}}}

Word up.

By getalife

April 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

John Murtha has a long memory

“We all get older and this one guy running’s about as old as me,” Murtha said. “Let me tell you something: It’s no old man’s job,” he said. “He said I was too old for the job one time because he disagreed with my policy. Well, I said ‘Well, I’m the same age as you.’ And he said ‘Well, I’m different”

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

(((((It looks like the Circuit Court Clerk can really hold a grudge. Frank Conaway, who ran against Dixon in last year’s primary, is bitter. Maybe because of the election, but also because Dixon was sworn-in by Gov. O’Malley rather than Conaway, against tradition. Because he was snubbed, Conaway decided he wasn’t going to provide the proper documents for the ceremony, even though that’s his job. In typical fashion, the City said “screw it” and went ahead without them. Unsurprisingly, we now have a problem.}}}}}

Because no one bothered to obtain a Certificate of Incumbency for Dixon, the City can’t issue any bonds (and who knows what else) because Dixon can’t prove she is actually the mayor. Conaway is still holding his ground and refuses to sign and seal the proper documents, unless he is able to swear in Dixon himself.

The story doesn’t tell you, but I bet you won’t be surprised to know the players in this story are all Democrats.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

Don’t worry. I’ve said many times before, there are very few actual FACTS in this world, but you are right that standing the test of time is key to a theory’s credibility. Most any data can be manipulated.

Maybe “obviously being debunked by modern science” was a little harsh.

But also like I said earlier, theories are organic and Darwin’s are too - some of his methods and conclusions have been questioned by today’s scientists, but that doesn’t negate the importance of his work, or make his work any less credible by the science of his time.

By w00t

April 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Truthman, I’m afraid they will not stop until they have all of the United States bathing in their on festival of ignorance.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

One more thing about Darwin - I meant what I said about relying solely on the theories of a man who lived 200 years ago to form your opinion about a scientific theory is almost as absurd as using a 2000 year old book for your spiritual guidance.

Newton, Galileo, Copernicus - same thing - these guys were brilliant and had really great ideas, but you shouldn’t base a theory today on their conclusions and methods back then. If you were doing research on gravitational research today, you wouldn’t use Newton’s original work in your reference list, that is if you want to get it published or taken seriously by your peers.

I hope that makes sense - because it does in my head right now - but then again, my head is full of pollen.

By getalife

April 16, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

President Bush: “Probably true” that next attack will come from neglected Afghanistan

Geez.

By AmVet

April 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

The red herring is obviously irrelevant, but blaming the imperfections of any sound and accepted theory, including Darwin’s, on Hitler or any other individual, is rather desperate to say the least.

The irrefutable reality is that evolution, which is the very foundation of modern biology, has LONG been accepted by the scientific community and the general public throughout the world.

Another incontrovertible fact is that there is NO accepted scientific or other explanation, or alternative, to it, that is it’s equal.

Does anyone have one?

If not, go get yourself extremely educated and make scientific history.

And I have a “theory” about this delusion.

From what I can see, the primary reason that “conservatives” disagree with this science, as well as on topics such as man-induced climate change, is simply because they are politically joined at the hip with the far right wing religionists. (Yet in a lot of cases I don’t think they buy into the mythology all that much.) Though many of the religious leaders are FINALLY seeing the futility in denying man-induced global warming, for example.

Modern science contravenes the myths and fairy tales of the world’s great religions.

That is THE fundamental problem for the “true” believers. And because that is the case, it calls into question the very veracity and basic dogmas contained in Christianity, Islam and Judaism among others.

And this of course, scares the hell out of the “faithful”.

They will never admit it, but I believe even many of them can see the writing on the wall. (It is already happening in a very big way in Europe and elsewhere.) Every new major scientific discovery that adds to the knowledge base and that replaces the mythology brings us closer as a species to the day when the fables will have virtually no relevance in our understanding of the universe and our place within it.

Thank (your favorite deity here)…

By Seth

April 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife: You’ve changed & are a disappointment. You’re near as filled with hatred as are the weakling Repunks on this site. That’s a damned sad state.

By Bosch

April 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Sometimes scientific theories can be b@stardized into something which was not it’s intended purpose.

That, unfortunately, gets done alot.

It also gets done in other areas such as religion - think of what has been done in the name of Christ over the past 2000 years.

By Spike

April 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

AmVet at 2:20. Very, very well put, lad. You are one of the brighter bulbs in this dark domain.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Iraq grows as a country:

{{{{WASHINGTON, April 14 (UPI) — Iraq’s Oil Ministry has approved 35 companies it will allow to bid for soon-to-be announced tenders to develop oil and gas fields. The largest oil companies in the world — ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, Conoco Phillips, Chevron — all qualified, as did firms of a variety of sizes and nationalities. The announcement Monday on the ministry’s Web site is a major move that could bring foreign oil companies en masse into Iraq since the third-largest oil sector in the world was nationalized three decades ago.}}}}

{{{{BAGHDAD, April 15 (UPI) — Iraqi media reports say Baghdad has agreed to the Kurdish region’s oil deals and stance on a draft oil law in exchange for a delayed vote on oil-rich Kirkuk.}}}}

{{{{BASRA, Iraq, April 15 (UPI) — The Iraqi government announced the creation of 2,000 jobs, half of which are in Basra, to help remove land mines in the country.}}}}

And Mookie still whines:

{{{{BAGHDAD, April 15 (UPI) — Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr Tuesday called on the Iraqi government to reinstate the 1,300 Iraqi security forces fired for desertion during recent fighting.}}}}

{{{{Maj. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, a spokesman for the Iraqi Interior Ministry, said more than 900 Iraqi forces in Basra were fired and an additional 400 police officers in Kut were let go because they were either loyal to Sadr’s Mahdi Army or refused to fight for sectarian reasons.}}}}

Bwa.

By getalife

April 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Seth,

Thanks.

Now kindly, GFY.

Hate is on the progressive blogs for the Clintons.

Now that is sad and disappointing.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch 1:26

“how does one get a ten million line of credit on a house?”

Time for another acronym? BTSOM (pronounced “beet-some”. Means “Beats the Sh!t Outta Me.”

Rev Wright’s church owns it. Was built for around a mil and a half. Dang, that sucker’s probably exempt from all property taxes, too! But that’s another scam… I mean… story. But it’s a line of credit. Against the house. How could it be so high? Only thing I can think of is… the church is responsible for the debt incurred.

I’m ready for the “America is the great land of opportunity” sermon.

AmVet - was standing in line at the bank, MSNBC was on, Pres Bush was speaking, evidently he met with the Pope and was announcing some new initiatives and targets for greenhouse gas emissions.

I guess you could say how the conversion happened doesn’t matter, as long as it happened?

By Pope Andiduh I?

April 16, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

A protector of pedophiles, Hitler Youth member, wears a fancy dress -

Andiduh, ‘s that you bubba?

By Redneck Science

April 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Rednecks do not fancy science much. They think global climate change is a myth, and intelligent design is a fact.

So they keep on polluting, since Armageddon is coming soon.

And while your dog is smart enough not to s-hit where he eats, not so your average redneck. Hell, put some Chitos on it, they’ll eat dog doo straight off the sidewalk.

By AmVet

April 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Paul, yes it is true that the administration has stopped the most obvious denying and obfuscation.

BUT…they will continue to drag their feet as long as they can get way with it.

This is but one of the numerous things that have most Americans absolutely fed up with reactionary ideology.

Thought of you when I read this:

For fully a month now, the national media has largely ignored the Nader/Gonzalez campaign.

And yet, when the people of Michigan were asked earlier this month if the choice in November were between McCain, Clinton or Nader, 46 percent said McCain, 37 percent said Clinton and fully 10 percent said Nader.

If the choice were between McCain, Obama and Nader, Obama pulled 43 percent, McCain 41 percent, and Nader 8 percent.

This reflects national polling. For example, a Fox poll last month showed that about one in seven voters - 14 percent - say they would “seriously consider” voting for Ralph Nader.

Given the virtually total corporate media blackout, this is a remarkable result.

And we are heartened by it.

For Clinton, Obama and McCain, ten percent might seem like peanuts.

But for Nader/Gonzalez, it shows we’re on our way up.

It has been our contention all along that the corrupt two-party system cannot stand.

Perhaps we are now seeing the first cracks in the facade of the duopoly.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

AmVet

And just how long ago were McCain and Obama at ten percent?

The parties enact the laws that effectively block competition. But sooner or later - remember Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park - “life will find a way?” - here we have “the will of the people will find a way.”

Obama’s rise is due in large measure to his “are you fed up with the way things have been done.” McCain does have a populist streak - has been on the wrong side of traditional Rep policymakers for a long time (in spite of the politically-calculated “elect him and get Bush” line, but hey, it polls well in focus groups) and he’s the Rep nominee.

I do think one could make the case they’re both playing from the Nader songbook. But guess who wrote the song?

By Devastator

April 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

These facts are for getalife:

Poll shows 10-point lead for Obama, increasingly negative view of Clinton

Sen. Barack Obama holds a 10-point lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton when Democrats are asked whom they would prefer to see emerge as the party’s presidential nominee, but there is little public pressure to bring the long and increasingly heated contest to an end, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The fierce battle, however, appears to have taken a toll on the image of Clinton, who was once seen as the favorite. And Obama has widened his lead since early February on several key qualities that voters are looking for in a candidate and has narrowed sizable advantages for Clinton on others.

He now has a 2-to-1 edge on who is considered more electable in a general contest — a major reversal from the last poll — and has dramatically reduced a large Clinton lead on which of the two is the “stronger leader.”

While Clinton retains a big edge over Obama on experience, public impressions of her have taken a sharply negative turn. Today, more Americans have an unfavorable view of her than at any time since The Post and ABC began asking the question, in 1992. Impressions of her husband, former president Bill Clinton, also have grown negative by a small margin.

In the new poll, 54 percent said they have an unfavorable view of Sen. Clinton, up from 40 percent a few days after she won the New Hampshire primary in early January. Her favorability rating has dropped among both Democrats and independents over the past three months, although her overall such rating among Democrats remains high. Nearly six in 10 independents now view her unfavorably.

Obama’s favorability rating also has declined over the same period but remains, on balance, more positive than negative.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Another tidbit from your favorite entity, the airlines.

Just had an email from US Airways. Now, if you want a window or aisle seat at the front of coach, you have to pay.

Don’tcha love it, don’tcha love it chikka boom chikka boom boom, boom.

By Devastator

April 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Watch Barack in last debate before the Pennsylvania Primary

The Democratic Debate will air tonight on ABC at 8:00 PM ET/PT, 7:00 PM CT/MT

Be sure to leave a comment with your thoughts after.

Sincerely,

Scott & Martha @ Obama HQ

By Paul

April 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Devastator

Thanks for the heads-up. I’m setting up the DVR -

By Devastator

April 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You going out tonight?

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Let’s hope they do the debate in a bowling alley with an open bar so Hillary really can take him on. I’m sure the crowd will be stacked with the usual cult members to boo every time she opens her mouth if they try to just face questions.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

RW_

LOL! I used to watch British darts tournaments. Really. The guys would stand kind of sideways, cigarette in mouth, holding a pint off to the side to kind of balance their stomachs hanging the other way as they lofted the dart.

I imagine the bowling for shots could be as entertaining.

I’ll watch it to see if they address anything of substance. Or to try to guess the fodder they’ll provide for Saturday Night Live. Maybe SNL will have Rev Wright do a home tour?

By Devastator

April 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Clinton faces grim poll data as debate looms by Stephen Collinson Wed Apr 16, 2:12 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AFP) - Hillary Clinton Wednesday faced lengthening odds for her White House bid as polls showed her personal ratings diving and her prospects clouding over in several key primaries.

Clinton was under pressure to change the shape of the Democratic nominating tussle as a high-stakes debate loomed with her party foe Barack Obama in Pennsylvania, which holds a nominating contest next Tuesday.

The New York senator has been attacking Obama for days over his comment that some small-town Americans were “bitter,” but latest opinion surveys suggested the Illinois senator had escaped serious immediate damage.

Polls show Clinton has stalled Obama’s attempt to catch her in Pennsylvania, but her lead of around six points did not suggest the kind of blowout win she needs to sow doubts about Obama’s viability in the minds of top party leaders.

Clinton has been written off before and pulled off surprising comebacks, but her White House hopes are on thin ice because she trails Obama in nominating contests won, elected delegates and the popular vote.

Her only chance now is to convince nearly 800 Democratic grandees called superdelegates that Obama cannot win November’s general election against Republican John McCain.

There was more grim news for Clinton in a Washington Post/ABC News poll which gave Obama a 10-point lead when Democrats nationwide were asked who they would like to see go up against McCain.

Obama was up two-to-one among Democrats asked who was most electable in a general election, undermining Clinton’s quest for the hearts of the superdelegates.

And more Americans had an unfavorable view of her than at any time since the Post and ABC started measuring the question, in 1992.

Some 54 percent of those asked had an unfavorable impression of the former first lady — up from 40 percent, after her famous comeback victory in the New Hampshire primary in early January.

A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll meanwhile showed Obama up 40 percent to 35 percent in Indiana, another rust-belt primary on May 6, where she needs a win. An earlier Survey USA poll in the state however had Clinton up 16 points.

The LA Times poll also had Obama up 13 points in North Carolina, which also votes on May 6. Other surveys suggest the man

By @@

April 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

For those of you who dismiss the left’s push of Darwinism as harmless - think again.

The Galton Institute exists today in all it’s glorious splendor. Who was Sir Francis Galton? Darwin’s half cousin.

Darwin was the pioneer, but Galton, his cousin brought innumerable grand notions. Some of his contributions to “society” were the systematic study of human variation. The ability to identify similarities in fingerprints through ridges and furrows. The weather map, and, my all time favorite - how to cut a cake so it won’t go stale. Inspired by Darwin, he devised one enormous idea full with promise and fraught with danger: eugenics. That’s the attempt to create a better human race by augmenting the slow and uncertain processes of natural and sexual selection with artificial selection.

As I type this post, the “privilege” of eugenics is being exercised around the world.

A little peek into the mind of Galton

(((“Man is gifted with pity and other kindly feelings: he has also the power of preventing many kinds of suffering. I conceive it well within his province to replace Natural Selection by other processes that are more merciful and not less effective.” Sir Francis Galton, 1908))) and….

The Galton Institute’s Aims

a) The Institute promotes and supports the scientific study of human heredity and of its social implications.

b) The Institute promotes understanding of the ethical and moral implications of human genetics, and of its social implications.

c) The Institute promotes the public understanding of human heredity and of its relevance to human well-being in the broadest sense.

d) The Institute promotes the study of the historical origins and development of the above subjects.

Scarey stuff this eugenics. Puts me in mind of Planned Parenthood’s Margaret Sanger.

By the by….Galton also invented the DOG WHISTLE used to train the lower mammal known as “Man’s Best Friend”.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

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I believe I may have mentioned to you - Michel Crichton’s book State of Fear. Has a lot of fun with the Hollywood environmental crowd - their professions contrasted with their lifestyles - lots of criticisms because of its skepticism of the science used to assert impact of man on global warming. But -

The epilogue was a treatment of eugenics - how it was accepted as fact at the turn of the next to past century, all the big names who were true believers, how those who disputed it were ridiculed and persecuted. He did this in context of the man-caused global warming debate.

It’s worth getting the book to read just that part.

AmVet - agree or not, he has an entertaining way of putting forth his case.

By @@

April 16, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Paul:

You have mentioned the book. Maybe a summer read while I’m lounging around the pool being earth googled for all to see. I must remember to keep my top on from here on out.

Hey!!!!! Sir Francis did invent the weather map so who knows how he intended its’ use, and for what evil purpose.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

CAN YOU LEFTISTS HERE THE WHISTLE?

Obviously! You uber-goobers make excellent pets.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Ahh, yes, the long awaited and much anticipated proof from the liberals that “evolution” is indeed a fact and not just another mindless pinko theory, like “global warming,” for instance:

{{{{By Redneck Science April 16, 2008 3:59 PM And while your dog is smart enough not to s-hit where he eats, not so your average redneck. Hell, put some Chitos on it, they’ll eat dog doo straight off the sidewalk.}}}}

Why, I never thought about it that way.

Anybody else notice that the same people that believe in “evolution” are the same people that, as an answer to factual argument, can only spew angry anti American profanity in response?

And hiding behind childish little names at that?

These are the people that we should be listening to?

Check this out, the very first “green” “technology” out of the box of hysterical liberal ideas, and already it’s already killed more children than “global warming” could in the next one hundred freaking years:

{{{{It says enough that one car tank of bio petrol needs as much grain as it takes to feed an African for a year, or that a reported one-third of American grain production is now subsidised for conversion into biofuel. Jeremy Paxman pleaded the cause of this latest green wheeze on Monday’s Newsnight, while the United Nations food expert, Jean Ziegler, screamed for it to stop: “Children are dying … It is a crime.”}}}}

Way to go, you kandy as-s weather kowards.

Freaks.

By AJC Management

April 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

The liberals and the various scumbags at the Atlanta Urinal Constitution would love to see these degenerates beat the United States and they propagandize on their behalf every day:

{{{{“Al Qaeda has lost Iraq,” writes Yon. Insurgents need the support of the local population. Many of us still think of al Qaeda as well-disciplined, dedicated religious fanatics. In fact, they are degenerate lunatics, a cult of death worshippers, viewed by the citizenry as “less than swine.” Their social skills extend to knowing “how to kill people and break things.” When al Qaeda takes a city they don’t know how to dispose of sewage, get the water flowing and the lights back on, and they don’t care to try. They use their ample leisure time lying around drunk or drugged, using prostitutes, raping women and boys, and decapitating the locals, including small children, who irritate them. They are “animals,” “wild-eyed with greed.” When they take a rural village they slaughter the livestock before having their depraved way with the citizens. One of them is a valuable informant on an intermittent basis. He is a homosexual and when one of his al Qaeda hook-ups angers him he passes along just enough information to get him killed or captured.}}}}

Maybe the POS at the Urinal admire this kind of depravity, you reckon?

By RW-(the original)

April 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Paul,

One has to be able to understand the written word to appreciate and as you clearly see from Blowhard’s 2:20 he lacks that ability.

By the way, Blowhard, that 2:20 wasn’t addressed to anyone. Didn’t you have a rather large hissy fit over that very thing yesterday?

By @@

April 16, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

UhOH!

“HEAR” they doo, but not

HERE.

By Paul

April 16, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

@@ 5:49

Your pool comment - you just love messin’ with some of the guys here, don’t you? Okay… maybe with some of the gals, too… (careful, Ahmadinejad may send his Morals Enforcement Guy after you… wait… he got arrested in a brothel, remember?)… but I know why you do it…

Link: Why @@ messes with ya

(Those of you unfamiliar, you have to click on the play button on the bottom left of the video).

Hey, did that guy ever find out how to cut the cake?

By getalife

April 16, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

“President Bush is counting the minutes until he leaves office and as he goes, he’s leaving a trail of huge messes he’s made during his disastrous reign. He’s leaving behind two failing military conflicts and a broken military, a tanking economy and housing market, more Americans on food stamps, without health care and his feckless environmental policies have set us back decades in the fight against global warming.”

What a mess.

By Glenn

April 16, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

@@,

Thanks for alerting me to the new Clayton blogs. I replied to you at the end of yesterday’s string.

By Ralph

April 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Duh/homo/AJC/zell: Tell us all about it, you war hero you! And @@, are you still being threatened by the AJC members today?? You and homo-duh are the only ones to ever complain of…threats. Don’t go out to that pool this summer!! You might be …threatened a’gin. Aw, go on out any way. It’s pretty hard to harm…the harmless. You freaks are a show unto your selves. Stir, then add RW & getahump. Ummm.

By Glenn

April 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t pay to go ad hominem on Charles Darwin. He was an extraordinarily complicated and contradictory man; far too much so for his own good. His fans will find his genius and heroism in unpleasing places, and his detractors will find his shortcomings and villainy equally unsuitable to their cause.

Darwin’s biography makes for a pretty good narrative, but one that doesn’t validate anyone in particular except Darwin (and possibly his grandfather).

As for the unfortunate application of natural selection theory to contemporary human beings, it too (along with Dr. Watson) is made foolish by recent scientific findings, e.g. Cavalli-Sforza et al, “The History and Geography of Human Genes”.

By @@

April 16, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

I LOVE that song Paul. I “like” Cindy Lauper.

You’re right.

I LIVE FOR THE FUN OF IT!!!!! No gloomy days for @@. Cold, but not gloomy.

(((Did that guy ever learn to cut the cake?)))

The Galton Institute is in the process of doing just that, if’n ‘ya know what I’m saying.

Can’t have mankind going stale on us now can we?

Glenn:

I wasn’t suggesting that you make your case online. I was afraid you might stop in over there and stumble into a wrong way connect.

By @@

April 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Ralph:

(((@@, are you still being threatened by the AJC members today??)))

Weren’t you Mel yesterday?

He (MelSmells) never did point to where I gave any indication that I felt threatened.

I’m still waiting?

Can you channel him for me?

By mary

April 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

It’s not funny because gas is much higher in Europe. The pope would be more like “Wow, cool.”

By Erin

April 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

FYI, in Italy, gas is over $5 a gallon and has been for several years. I think the Pope would have been delighted with our gas prices.

By Erin

April 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

FYI, gas in Italy is almost $6 a gallon and has been for several years. I think the Pope would have been delighted with our gas prices.

By Erin

April 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

FYI, gas in Italy is almost $6 a gallon and has been for several years. I think the Pope would have been delighted with our gas prices.