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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > April > 11 > Entry

Hope for an exit

By Mike Luckovich | Friday, April 11, 2008, 09:51 PM

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By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

The lie lives on unmolested:

{{{{The failure of government forces to capture Basra in the recent crackdown, despite superiority in numbers and firepower, was an embarrassment to al-Maliki, who ordered and personally supervised the offensive.-Urinal}}}}

Really?:

{{{{Operation Sawlat al-Fursan, or Charge of the Knights, entered a new phase of operations in Basrah, April 12. A deliberate house-to-house clearance operation of the south-western Basrah district of al-Qiblah was conducted without major incident. To date, Coalition forces involvement has been minimal, reflecting the ever increasing ability and resolve of the Iraqi Security Forces to enforce the rule of law.}}}}

{{{{The atmosphere inside the city has generally been calm over the past two weeks. The people of Basrah are proud of what the Iraqi Security Forces, both Police and Army, have achieved in the city. Many Iraqis feel positive progress has been made against criminal elements, as life returns to normal.}}}}

Why do you lie, POS AJC?

{{{{It also raised questions about whether Iraq’s mostly Shiite army and police can confront Shiite militias, including Iranian-backed “special groups” that the U.S. considers the greatest threat to Iraqi democracy.-Urinal}}}}

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth:

{{{{The Port of Umm Qasr opened a few days after the start of Operation Charge of the Knights, having been secured by the Iraqi Army. The port is now operating, with the Government of Iraq working to bring it up to recognized international standards. An Iraqi Navy detachment has taken over port security from the Army.}}}}

Are the Code Pinko liberals trying to keep out troops in Iraq forever?

Scumbags.

By w00t

April 14, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

just another six months…just another six months…just another six months…just another six months…just another six months…just another six months…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 332

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

w00t, I assume you’re aware of the Friedman Unit)

By N-GA

April 14, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

They look more like mice than rats. I suspect they are hybrids.

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

To put a curse on the Yankees, a Boston Red Sox fan buried a Red Sox uniform in cement at Yankee Stadium. When Osama Bin Laden found out about this, he ordered sleeper cells to secret a Ford emblem on the pope-mobile. When Hillary found out about that, she had an aide bury a hanging chad at Obama’s Campaign headquarters. Somebody stop me.

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

N-GA, do you mean “human-animal hybrids?”

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Iraq is more of a maze with a kurd as bait for learning the way out.

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Still think there is a way out of Iraq, anyone?

Describe any scenario that exists in the real world and the reality on the ground in Iraq that would allow us to leave.

be carefull, it’s a trick question because it requires a complete command of theo-political history and a savant knowledge of human nature as it pertains to oil drumbeats. not to mention china’s new gigantic navy.

the scariest news report I’ve read in the past few months concerned a small story on page five about a chinese spy caught loitering outside an Iranian Nuclear facility. If China doesn’t have Iran in it’s pocket, then we’re doomed. Our only hope is that those two bond together, then china wont allow Iran to attack anyone with a nuke. then we could hold china responsible.

like jfk said: “It is the policy of this administration to regard any launch of an Iranian nuclear missile toward any US ally as an attack by China against the USA requiring a full retaliatroy responce.”

By @@

April 14, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

You’ve got Petraeus and Crocker going up against “Three Blind Mice”.

We all know what happened to the “Three Blind Mice”, don’t we?

They lost their tails.

Good one ml!

By N-GA

April 14, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Actually Shark, I was suggesting that while most Senators are rats with a tendency to be mice, some are mice with a proclivity to act like rats.

Then there are those foot-tapping rats…..

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

How to Get Out of Iraq: A Forum

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Those aren’t tails!

ew

By Jesus

April 14, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

If U say Impeach Bush Now 1 more time…….

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

The Petraeus-Crocker Show Gets the Hook

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

What Obama basically said, when you cut to the chase, is that if Washington doesn’t take care of your every need then you’re forced to bitterly turn to family, friends, and faith. The unspoken implication is that an Obama run Washington will coddle you cradle to grave. Is it any wonder a loser like little newsie namejacker thinks that’s a good thing?

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Ahh, yes, “global warming:”

{{{{MARION – All of this cold weather is freezing the start of the gardening season. Now, outdoor fans are eager for a warm-up.}}}}

{{{{“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.}}}}

{{{{“When it starts getting into mid-March and April, then things should change fast, but not this year,” he said.}}}}

Luckily, we have a president that is not a blooming idiot:

{{{{The administration also is trying to head off what it sees as a regulatory disaster. Environmentalists say greenhouse gases can be regulated under existing rules under the Clean Air Act, the Endangered Species Act or the National Environmental Policy Act, and have filed lawsuits to try to force action. The Bush administration and others want to avoid a web of rules and regulations for businesses.}}}}

Which is exactly what the environmental terrorist liberals will foist upon us, a regulatory death grip on the nation’s economic well being.

All because of junk science.

Check the thermometer lately, morons?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Good Morning to you too Little Ricky of the multiple personalities.

You have been SOOOO correct on SOOOO many things from SOOOO many of you characters that we are SOOOOO likely to believe your SOOOO biasesd interpretation of Senator Obama’s remarks.

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

And what other interpretation is there, little newsie namejacker? In your own words please.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Operation Chaos, hahaha:

{{{{Political insiders differed on whether Obama’s comments, which came to light Friday, would become a full-blown political disaster that could prompt party leaders to try to steer the nomination to Clinton even though Obama has more pledged delegates. Clinton supporters were eagerly hoping so.}}}}

{{{{They handed out “I’m not bitter” stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator.}}}}

Looks like the wingnuts will have to vote for Obambi instead this time.

He needs the help.

Bwa.

By the way, taken in the context of your average dimwit liberal, are the things that Obambi says not true? For what is “free” government health care or a measly welfare check but just another mere trinket for those who have set their goals in life so low that an ant could clear that hurdle from a dead stop?

You bring these things upon yourselves, vast mas-ses of lazy as-ses, sucking at the t**-tie of massive unwielding bureaucracy populated by rich elitists that view you as nothing more than common town fools, and could care less about your well being, unless, of course, it is an election year.

How many times are we going to let these politicians fail us, neglecting the duties that they were elected to perform, you know, the mundane tasks like traffic and water that we all rely on, instead of being a bunch of Lying Givers Of Government Promises?

Promises they don’t even keep?

And don’t think that I am pinning this all on the liberal politicians, although they engage in pandering more promiscuously than any Conservative ever would, this is a Big Government problem that I speak of.

Bigger is not better.

{{{{Through his warped vision, if you own a gun, oppose gay marriage or want our nation’s borders sealed, you’re just bitter over your lousy job. Amazingly, he even sees the embrace of God as a reaction to the bad economy.}}}}

{{{{Such a dark view of heartland hearts is not very Christian and suggests Snob-ama really did hear the rants of his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The mentor who led him to Jesus Christ seems a bitter man who wraps his hate for America in the trappings of religion.}}}}

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Sorry, RW, taking orders from you is something only your other personalties do.

Go play with yourselves.

By N-GA

April 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

It amuses me when an otherwise intelligent person tries to “translate” Obama’s statement in order to spin it in the context they choose. That person is no better than Hillary.

Many American voters are angry and bitter…not only those who didn’t help put this administration into office with their vote, but also those who actually voted for these criminals.

Bush must accept his share of the blame for gas prices, the shrinking dollar, the Iraq War, the recession and its related problems, etc. Hell yes these voters are bitter, at the betrayal of their own government.

But then there are those chronic apologists, deniers and haters….

By Midori

April 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Andy,

have you reflected on the weather on the West Coast?

Record breaking high temperatures.

But then, we can’t let facts get in the way of your juvenile theories, can we?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — More Federal Aviation Administration whistle-blowers are beginning to step forward with fresh allegations of a “culture of complacency” between the FAA and the airlines industry, the head of the government agency charged with investigating whistle-blower complaints said Friday.

WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFO

”WASHINGTON, DC - Under direct questioning from U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) today at a Senate hearing, U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary Peters and Acting Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Robert Sturgell said they regretted remarks made last week by an FAA spokesperson, inviting air traffic controllers who had concerns over the safety of the new procedures to “look for work elsewhere” and, if they did not like working at the FAA, they should “reconsider their line of work.”

Heck of a job, bob.

BEFORE THIS GUY…..

“WASHINGTON — The nation’s top aviation regulator is under criticism for accepting a job as head of a trade group that frequently lobbies for the aviation industry on government spending and policy. Marion Blakey, who heads the Federal Aviation Administration, agreed in July to become president and CEO of the Aerospace Industries Association (AIA), starting Nov. 12. The association represents firms her agency oversaw and awarded contracts to during her five-year tenure. “Groups that monitor ethics in Washington were critical.”

Let’s go out to the lobby…..

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Troll-boy—do you think anyone reads your overlong, poorly formatted, boring crap?

Seriously, are you paid to do this? Are you at least a butt-boy to one of Karl Rove’s butt-boys?

If not, you’re really just a sad case.

By N-GA

April 14, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

So then, let’s just call the period of slavery in America “White Man’s Love”. That would be the way the GOP frames the subject.

Or better yet, let’s call the colonization of Africa “White Man’s Brotherhood”.

It must be easier for you to spin words than it is for you to understand them.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

What a shock that little ricky retard/duh/zell/rb can turn a rebuff into the answer of his (their) dreams!

We read your Number One personality every morning and it’s pretty bitter and divisive too…..

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

{{{{You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.}}}}-Barack Obama

Spin away N-GA

By the way, how many successive administrations have their been since Clinton and then Bush?

By Lunatic Fringe

April 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Gee W, you had an exit strategy for getting yourself out of Viet Nam, why don’t you have one for Iraq? You only have to stall for nine more months…then it becomes someone else’s problem. And what do you want to bet W becomes one of the most vocal critics of the war then, especially if the Dems win.

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

What IS the deal with the incredibly stupid, hypersensitive white boys trolling this joint?

RW, nobody with a brain would take offense at anything Obama’s said. Not even his “typical white person” comment that has you wingnuts clutching your pearls.

But go on re-runnin’ that Rev. Wright footage. Maybe someone still gives a good crap.

By Disgruntled Voter

April 14, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

You would think with as many choices we have to choose from here in this country, such as cars, housing, appliances, job opportunities, etc., we would have more than two viable candidates to choose from for something as important as the presidency. I guess until the GOP and the Dems release their stranglehold on politics this will never change.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

The Iraqi foriegn minister went on CNN yesterday to make excuses. I can understand why senior Iraqi officials are happy to sit on their treasure — along with their asses — and let US taxpayers cover their bills, pay their salaries, and risk our soldiers’ lives, but why in the world would Republicans stand for it?

One of Lil’ Rickys personalities (sorry so many I don’t have time to keep up) said something about

“Washington will coddle you cradle to grave. “

Who’s being coddled again?

Aren’t 4508 graves enough?

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

little newsie namejacker,

As always I fully support the AJC publicly exposing me should I post under any other name. You really should seek help, but if your delusions keep you off the streets I guess that’s a net gain for all of us.

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Disgruntled @ 10:52, you had plenty of choices in the primary campaigns (and the Dem campaign is over, Hillary’s desperate bleating notwithstanding). People caucused and voted ‘n stuff.

If you don’t like the two major parties, there are the Greens and the Libbers.

What’s your problem? Just lazy, too apathetic to participate when the actual choices for candidates are being made, and now you b!tch about it online? Pathetic.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

RW

i say again

you’re just like Larry Craig

outed

but too stubbaorn to admit it.

By getalife

April 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Clinton celebrates bittergate

By getalife

April 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

“ARG has had a pretty unreliable record this primary season. But this is a pretty stark shift. ARG’s poll taken on April 5-6 had a Clinton-Obama tie at 45%. Today they have a new poll out, taken April 11-13, shows a 20 point spread. Clinton 57%, Obama 37%.”

Obama now is a joke.

Clinton is giving an excellent speech on her proposals for the economy.

By The Devil You Say

April 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

I just want to know if ANY of you brilliant armchair generals can cite ONCE in the history of warfare when a conflict started that there was such a thing as an ‘exit strategy’ for when that conflict ended? The answer is THERE IS NO SUCH THING. No one wins a war by giving a date certain for withdrawal and surrender. That is what you are asking for. You are invested in defeat. You want America to lose. You don’t like this country and you want us to be laughed at, not respected and, yes, feared. If your enemies don’t fear you, then they will just walk all over you. And just making nice and appeasing won’t work. It has never worked in the past and will never work in the future.

Good bye for today. I am going to work a crossword puzzle!

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

{{{{{The lake was nearly full again by late Wednesday, he said.}}}}}

By Midori

April 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

You guys remember Jeff Gannon, or Gucket, or Studmuffin, or whatever his name is?

There HAD to be something going on during those numerous after hours visits to the WH.

Rove surrounds himself with freaks.

By mm

April 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

Brilliant post at 11:52.

Now where did all of that water come from to fill up the lake? Could it be the melting glacier?

By Larry

April 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

King George and the rest of his croonies seem to think we are fighting alkida in Iraq.. we are not the only thing our soldiers are doing are trying to keep the the two different factions of the islamic faith apart.. THese people have been fighting each other for well over a thousand years… really an islamic democracy .. Please tell me another one

By Paul

April 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

IThN 10:48

I saw your first post re Fox and thought “hmmmm, citing Fox?” Then your second - with the typical leftpoliticalspin: cited they were going for reaction comments, then opined if they hoped to find offended voters they were disappointed.

That’s an “if-then” construct. If any part of the “if” is false, what follows in the “then” is also false. Same here.

BTW - a report could have been “Fox news goes for reaction in rural Pennsylvania - reports comments support Obama’s remarks”

Just wonderin’ - what do your sources have to say about Hillary’s statement that Fox is fairer to her than NBC or MSNBC?

RW-(the original)

Just returned from a trip to NY - across the border from PA - been in an economic downturn for years. Lots of reasons - industry moves out, NY taxes take a lot of the blame. But the people are - pick your word - resigned, disappointed, some bitter. A friend has a business up for sale - said “look around - you see many younger-to-middle aged buyers here?” School’s gone from four kindergarten classes to 23 students this year. Looking at merging with surrounding districts. Young families are bailing.

They aren’t looking for gov’t to take care of them cradle to grave - but are looking for changes in self-inflicted policies that hurt them and help with outside forces (Washington policies that, to them, encourage jobs moving). So as far as they feel like they take the brunt of ineptitude, lousy policies, or are just plain ignored - yeah, many do.

Devil You Say

WWII - allied set “unconditional surrender” as endpoint. Caused a lot of controversy, many felt would unnecessarily prolong war (with Germany - Japan was seen as too fanatical).

Mongol invasion of Europe - 13th century: when each ruler was completely subjugated.

Falklands War - when the Brits got their island back and Argentina cried “uncle.”

By Larry

April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

King George and the rest of his croonies seem to think we are fighting alkida in Iraq.. we are not the only thing our soldiers are doing are trying to keep the the two different factions of the islamic faith apart.. THese people have been fighting each other for well over a thousand years… really an islamic democracy .. Please tell me another one

By Larry

April 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

King George and the rest of his croonies seem to think we are fighting alkida in Iraq.. we are not the only thing our soldiers are doing are trying to keep the the two different factions of the islamic faith apart.. THese people have been fighting each other for well over a thousand years… really an islamic democracy .. Please tell me another one

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m not sure what your point is unless you’re citing that self sufficient people do what self sufficient people have always done and that’s to move to where they can take care of themselves. How many telephone operators are sitting around waiting for the whole world to start dialing 0 to make a long distance call again?

If the ones that are left want to whine and wait for Washington to bring their jobs back then I feel sorry for them.

That being said, I didn’t say the people were expecting the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. I said the implication of Obama’s statement was that’s what he thinks they want and were bitter when it wasn’t delivered. His unspoken message was he would be the one to deliver.

(m)ental (m)idget,

Do you really find it an odd phenomenon that ice melts in the summer? Here’s a heads up for you. Despite the fact that it feels like January in Calgary outside there will be a warming trend over the next few months.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Oh my! The Earth is using ice formations and rushing water to form canyons and streambeds, that means we are all going to die! In flames!

{{{{SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) — Melting ice in southern Chile caused a glacial lake to swell and then empty suddenly, sending a “tsunami” rolling through a river, a scientist said Thursday. No one was injured in the remote region.}}}}

Meanwhile, back on Earth:

{{{{Surveys of the intertidal fauna and flora, the plankton, fish, birds and marine mammals of the Laguna San Rafael were carried out by a Raleigh International Expedition in January-February >>>>>>>>>1993.<<<<<<<<<< The Laguna is dominated by the effects of >>>>>scouring,<<<<<< low temperature and low salinity produced by the calving, tide-water San Rafael glacier that discharges into the Laguna.}}}}

Gee, you mean this has been happening all through history?

Dearest mmoron: When glaciers increase in size they expand at thier outer boundary, which in turn, fractures and calves due to the pressures exerted.

See Canyon, Grand.

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

WRITE YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, URGING THEM TO SUPPORT A NEW GI BILL

The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act (S.22 & H.R.2702) will restore the promise of a cost-free education to those who serve in the military. The original GI Bill transformed American history, providing education for returning soldiers. The GI Bill not only recognized our nation’s moral duty for the enormous sacrifices of our World War II veterans, but it helped create America’s middle class and spurred decades of economic growth for our country.

Economists estimate that the original bill returned anywhere between $5 and $13 for every dollar we spent on it. But the original GI Bill has become woefully outdated, to the point where the average benefit doesn’t even cover half the cost of an in-state student’s education at a public college.

TELL CONGRESS TO RESTORE AMERICA’S PROMISE TO ITS TROOPS

It’s time for Congress to really support those who served this nation, in uniform. It’s time to pass a 21st Century GI Bill. Do your part, please, and write a letter to Congress now.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

AMVET

Here’s a link from IAVA that makes it easy to show support for the GI Bill.

Why do Bush and McCain oppose this?

It will affect retention and re-enlistment.

After a few tours of Baghdad which would you prefer?

More Baghdad or a college campus?

By Scott

April 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Obama’s comments re small-town-America are utterly accurate and true. I’ve been saying those words for decades while traveling thru Ohio, KY, W VA. watching the plants close down and the people retreat back into the old bigotries and collective ignorances with which they were raised. It is humam nature and is and has been there for ALL to see. Americans dislike seeing themselves in the mirror of life - and most refuse to accept the reflection they view, thus fail to move on, preferring instead to dwell within the bounderies of bitterness and ignorance. Anger, beer, simplicity - joining those of similar mindsets. They even gladly march forward into that den of hatred that is Republicanism. But then had any of you little freaks ever stepped forward into the real world, you’d know that. Some things just never change. Pity.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Uh Scott: Yeah, maybe, but we make up about 75% of the voting population, and we are fully aware of what you pompous “elite” dimwits think of the people that made this country great.

Can you say McCain?

By Shark Sammich

April 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

The Cheeto-scarfing trollboy wrote:

but we make up about 75% of the voting population

In your dreams, liar.

By getalife

April 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

“Salon: Young voters are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.”

Thank you progressives.

They will unite for Clinton because she gives them hope for their future and does not insult them when they do not vote for her.

Hope and unity is now Clinton’s message.

God bless America!

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – On Monday, with the Pennsylvania primary just days away, Hillary Clinton continued to hammer Barack Obama over his comments that small town Americans “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter.”

But the audience at a forum put on by the Alliance for American Manufacturing didn’t appreciate her line of attack.

“I understand my opponent came this morning and spent a lot of his time attacking me,” she said at the beginning of her remarks here.

Many in the crowd responded with audible groans, and a few shouted, “No!”

Obama spoke to the same forum earlier in the morning and ribbed Clinton for doing a shot of whiskey in front of TV cameras on Saturday in Indiana.

Clinton continued, “I know that many of you, like me, were disappointed by the recent remarks he made.”

This time, a louder, sustained chorus of “No!” emanated from the audience. Clinton soldiered on.

“I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive,” she said.

This time, a smaller smattering of jeers.

It was only when Clinton concluded her opening remarks by attacking President Bush that she received a warm round of applause.

The Clinton campaign later said the disgruntled reaction came to Clinton’s remarks came from Obama supporters in attendance.

Several audience members told CNN after the speech they came to the forum to hear each candidate talk about trade issues, and were not interested in the political back-and-forth of the Democratic primary race.

Despite Pittsburgh’s working class reputation, it remained a tough crowd for the New York senator.

As the question and answer session began, one man asked Clinton for assurances that American workers would not be “tricked” like they had been when her husband signed NAFTA in 1993.

A press release distributed to reporters by the Alliance for American Manufacturing calculated that Pennsylvania lost 44,173 jobs due to NAFTA between 1993 and 2004.

Clinton, who spent much of her speech attacking America’s trade imbalance with China, responded by drawing a line in the sand between her policy positions and her husband’s trade record.

“As smart as my hu

By The Devil You Say

April 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Even though I will never vote for Hitlery Clinton, I will have to iterate and reiterate that she would be a much better president than Barak ‘absolutely no experience’ Obama. She also is at least partially willing to listen to advisors and is not a dyed in the wool leftist ideologue in the mold of Henry Wallace or Norman Thomas. Obama also has nothing but contempt for the average white guy. He has said this over and over again. This makes him a left-wing J. William Fullbright.

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Devil you say,

Please post evidence of your latter comment. To make such an accusation without proof, not to mention it not being true like the Clintons do, furthur guarantees an Obama presidency!

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

ITN,

I am still baffled by McCain’s reticence on this issue.

And to say he hasn’t had the time to “carefully examine it” smells of Republican stalling tactics at their worst (think about how it took six years for BushCo to even admit to the validity of man-induced climate change).

That this worst ever administration, plump with chickenhawks, does NOT support the troops is certainly not surprising or even newsworthy, but IMHO this is a MAJOR blunder on McCain’s part.

By mm

April 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it a fact that ostriches have a brain the size of a pea?

By Paul

April 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Good clarification. My point was that Obama had a point - my impression is that many of those people felt ignored - or when gov’t did pay attention, it was to their detriment. Many of the folks did leave - as illustrated by the 23 kids in the entire kindergarten kid. But many of the jobs weren’t the buggy whip kind - they were manufacturing and other jobs that are still being done. So state and national gov’ts have been part of the problem.

Kinda interesting - Obama’s saying, for all the billions gov’t takes from people and spends, they’re doing a lousy job as exemplified by what people experience. And in his remarks he said it predates Bush. No wonder some Dems are getting testy with him.

AmVet

GI Bill’s changed a lot over the years. IThN’s cited some major impacts of such a generous program - retention would suffer.

WWII GI bill was to transition millions of military back to civilian life with the education to avoid high unemployment. We now have a volunteer force and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring people up to full proficiency. Giving them a “can’t walk away from this” incentive to leave runs counter to the aim of a volunteer force. As an opponent of the draft, that’s a major factor.

No one was forced to join the military. No one is forced to leave (unless they get kicked out). Transition assistance is now available.

I look at it more as “what’s best for the institution of the military.” We just see things differently.

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country…corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. - Abraham Lincoln

Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy. - Woodrow Wilson

The citizens of the United States must control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves called into being. - Theodore Roosevelt

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. - Dwight Eisenhower

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves - and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion. - Thomas Jefferson

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. - Franklin D. Roosevelt

Civics Quiz

Which of the following candidates for President of the United States best reflects values expressed above?

a) John McCain

b) Hillary Clinton

c) Barack Obama

d) Ralph Nader

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

We just see things differently.

Boy, do we ever…

By Paul

April 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

AmVet 2:41

Now toss gov’t into the mix and there’s a compounded problem. I can easily view gov’t as an extension of the will (or ignorance) of the people. I do think this “class warfare” political strategy we’ve seen so much of over the years has been a big problem.

In response to your quiz: I know, I know!!!

By Paul

April 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

AmVet 2:41

Now toss gov’t into the mix and there’s a compounded problem. I can easily view gov’t as an extension of the will (or ignorance) of the people. I do think this “class warfare” political strategy we’ve seen so much of over the years has been a big problem.

In response to your quiz: I know, I know!!!

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The only people who are making a big deal of Obama’s comment are the same ones who do every time! Clinton supporters and Republicans.

If Obama sneezed, they would have found something wrong with that. The people in Penn are not as offended as the media is trying to make them be. They know what he was saying.

As horrible as the Rev. Wright controversy was, it still did not stop Obama and neither will this useless crap.

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

READ THIS CLINTON LOSERS:

Many DNC insiders fear that if Hillary Clinton manages to lose the pledged delegates, she may still take the lead in the popular vote, thereby causing the superdelegates to make a hard decision as to which candidate they should choose come August. Their fears are rooted in the notion that Clinton is only behind by roughly 800,000 votes, and that she could feasibly catch up with a big win in Pennsylvania. They’d be wrong.

In fact, Obama leads in the popular vote by anywhere between 2 million to 3 million voters. How is this possible? The reason lies in the ever elusive math of the Democratic caucus.

When voters everywhere were watching the returns of, say, Kansas on Super Tuesday, most of them naturally assumed that Barack Obama won 27,172 votes to Hillary Clinton’s 9,462. But those aren’t voters they’re counting, they’re really just more delegates. County delegates. The county delegates represent an undefined amount of peoples’ votes, depending on how many people arrive to the caucus and how many county delegates are assigned. This number could be anywhere from 5 to 100 people and beyond.

Since there is no exact number of how many votes are actually represented in a caucus, let’s just round it out to 20 voters per delegate, out of morbid curiosity. That means each delegate, on average, represents about 20 people, and we will multiply the final tally by 20.

Therefore, in Kansas, Barack Obama gained 543,440 votes to Hillary Clinton’s 189,240 votes. This is a far wider margin of victory than Clinton supporters would like to admit, but decidedly more accurate.

But let’s just say, for arguments sake, that we’re overestimating how many people a county delegate represents. Let’s call it 10 rather than 20. Then the tally becomes 271,720 votes for Obama, and 94,620 for Clinton. Still a substantial victory. And that is the absolute rock bottom lowest average estimate.

If we apply this math to all of the caucuses, the results are astounding. But to be fair, we won’t count Texas for the final tally. Their caucuses were basically repeat voters who most likely voted in the Primary earlier in the day. Also, there are no clear figures as of yet for Washington and Wyoming.

There have been 13 caucus states so far in the Primary and Clinton has only won one of them. Obama handily defeated her in Iowa, Alaska, Ida

By Paul

April 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

Regarding your first paragraph, in other words, the people making a big deal are those running against him! Explains a lot -

What’s as troubling is IThN’s earlier link - Crooks and Liars, MoveOn, that kind - that framed the Fox investigation in terms of “I’ll bet they’re disappointed if they find bitter people.” Couple of news analyses have shown Fox has given more evenhanded treatment to Obama and others than other networks (I’m referring to the news shows, not the partisan political-entertainment guys). So the effect of it is to take an issue - Pennsylvania voter attitudes or the willingness of candidates to make a mountain out of a molehill - and instead use it to advance their own ideological agenda.

Yeah, I think a lot of the people are smarter that the Beltway types think. Until I watch Jay Leno’s “Person in the Street” interviews, that is…

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

If Obama didn’t describe exactly how Pennsylvanians felt, then certainly Hillary didn’t either, nor did Wooten and his description of the America he wishes 4. Wooten’s piece had everything but the fife, the drum, and the limp.

I want to see americans finally take responsibility for the flag that gives Wooten’s prez the tingling. I want to see Americans that see the flag and remember 911 and hold al queda and OBL to task, not some Kurdish girl’s softball team in Basra that got in the way of an errant air strike.

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq? Afghanistan?

What is the criteria for declaring a dead Iraqi, “collateral damage”?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) on Obama: “I’m going to tell you something: That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button. He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country.”

Do you think the use of the term BOY, will get as much press as Obama’s use of the word BITTER?

By Paul

April 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

Just to point out: if Obama wins the nomination, he’s going to need those “Clinton losers” if he expects to garner enough votes to win the election.

If they’re ticked off enough they may just stay home.

By getalife

April 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

President Hillary Clinton.

Deal with it trolls.

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Your right. Its just so frustrating to see my fellow citizens such as getalife allow themselves to be duped into political delusions by ratings hungry media.

By Paul

April 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

IThN 3:05

Pardon the sentence structure, but just when I think I can’t get any more amazed…

Where do they find these people? And how do they get elected?!!?

getalife

Did you see Hillary having a Boilermaker? Crown Royal - didn’t faze her when she downed the shot. That was worth some votes.

By N-GA

April 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Obama is not running against Hillary or even the GOP. He is running against the status quo, government as it exists today…of the privileged, by the privileged, for the privileged.

There are too many of those who believe, as strongly as they believe in Jesus Christ, that the amount of influence a voter should have should be directly proportional to the amount of (pick one): income, political donations, taxes paid…

You know who you are. You’re the ones who buy theme park tickets with the “go to the front of the line” premium. You’re the ones who think that everybody gets treated equally in a court of law. You’re the ones who are certain that first class and business class ticket holders should not have to go through the same security lines at the airport. And, of course, you’re the ones that think there is nothing wrong with banks charging higher interest rates on loans to people who can least afford it while charging next to nothing on loans to wealthy people, regardless of payment history.

Obama doesn’t believe that the rich should be taxed just so that the less afluent can be subsidized. He really wants social equality and equal opportunity.

But if you really want more of the same, then you know who to vote for. You know who you are….

By Paul

April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Devastator

I just look at it as the political give and take. What one sees as duped another sees as a passionate believer. As I said to AmVet, we can just look at things differently. Doesn’t mean “good vs evil” - it’s just different.

But you have another good point about the media - the things they’ll do for ratings.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{Obama doesn’t understand a great deal of America. He has no experience with it other than as a politician looking for votes, and even that experience outside of Chicago has been accumulated only since he began his run for the U.S. Senate in 2003. His life has made him keenly aware of urban dysfunction and of African-American issues even as it has exposed him to the Third World in a way that very few American officials have been.}}}}

{{{{Politics as therapy; Americans as bitter, failed people. That’s the senator’s story and he’s sticking with it. It is the very vision that motivated Jimmy Carter’s malaise speech —“It’s clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper — deeper than gasoline lines of energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession”— recycled and with a much better delivery.}}}}

Maybe if he didn’t hang around with so many pinkos he would learn that America isn’t full of bitter, failed people.

Know what I mean?

By Bosch

April 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all!

Nice post N-GA, I hope you are right. I always want to believe that, but I always wind up getting disappointed.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to call you a socialist. How about someone who just believes everyone should have the same fair treatment.

Anywho, about the Obama comment - I really don’t see where people should be so upset, because there’s a lot of truth in what he says. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Blowing it out of proportion? Now there’s a big surprise (as I roll my eyes). Clinton is desperate, and it’s really quite petty.

Paul,

BSG Friday night. Cylon drama was pretty good. No? Same kind of hypocrisy we see in humans (Adama and Laura were pretty much at each - that “discussion” they had really hurt - yikes) - but at least most of us don’t have the use of huge Centurion robots to slaughter those whom we disagree with, good thing, huh?

By Likkkoduh is Bush's Burka Boy

April 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

yes, and his butt boy too.

I like to post under the nom de plume “AJC Management because I fancy myself a chickenhawk war-blogging journalist.

Actually, I am an accomplished and world renowned urinalist, an afficionado of things golden yellow and shower-y.

Matches the stripe down my back - yellow, slippery.

Stinky.

Kisses!

Andiduh/luckoduh/Likkkoduh/MadassZell.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

{{{{When Feingold and Obama refer dismissively to cultural and moral issues, it is not because they do not take those issues seriously. It is because they would rather not take seriously the arguments on the other side. >>>>It is much less intellectually demanding,<<<< as well as flattering to oneself and those San Francisco Democrats, to caricature opposing positions as the products of poverty, ignorance and bitterness.}}}}

By W stands for worst

April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

AJC Management:

You said: “When Feingold and Obama refer dismissively to cultural and moral issues, it is not because they do not take those issues seriously. It is because they would rather not take seriously the arguments on the other side.

Well if that aint calling the Kettle black, it describes you perfectly. Except i would replaced San Fran democrats with ignorant Georgia redneck….Oh and by the way S. Cal had record temps yesterday, kinda shoots down your no global warming argument…

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Pelosi is still deluding herself with notions of leaving Iraq to the Iraqis. That means there are advisers who are telling her so. Yes men?

We aint nebah gonna pit mouta binaq. Nebah, no pow, no tay, squiddle poo!

By getalife

April 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Yes Paul

They should have gave her a shot of Crown XR.

Good stuff.

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Last night I saw chris rock doing Steven Wright and what a lesson in comedy THAT was! YOu have to find your own voice to be successful in comedy. Nobody can steal your personality and only you can deliver you.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

{{{{By W stands for worst April 14, 2008 3:53 PM Oh and by the way S. Cal had record temps yesterday, kinda shoots down your no global warming argument…}}}}

It was 106 in April 1989, only 95 yesterday, dumbas-s.

By Paul

April 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Must’ve been one long meeting!

BSG was great. I’m going to have to rewatch - I thought the Centurions were going to develop reasoning and that was the source of the conflict.

Began watching from the beginning - Season One, now into Two. Thank heavens for Netflix. The theme music on the original was great - but the drums on this series fit into the weekly episodes so well.

Here’s how it’s so relevant: Season two: Cylon got aboard to try an assassination. Adama and Pres appointed a special inquirer/committee headed up by a no-nonsense sergeant. Sergeant found the Chief and an officer were having an affair. Speculated they could have left a door unlocked. Then began pursuing an illegal relationship.

Questioned Adama under oath. Began questioning him if he knew about the affair, what action he took. He announced the commission over. Told sergeant “You’ve lost your way. The law is designed to protect people, not to prosecute them.”

Loved it. BTW - a lower enlisted who lied to protect the Chief went to the brig. Chief asked Adama for leniency. Adama said you’ll have to live with that. The man lied and now he has to pay the price.

Was written after Clinton, before Libby. Loved it.

By 2U4U

April 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Conservatism is dead. Sen Craig sounded taps, with his flag at half-mast. Dont crowd the shroud.

By Paul

April 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

getalife

LOL! Then her opponents and SNL would say no wonder the people are broke, buying Crown XR!

By getalife

April 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

“How did Bush go from being an alcoholic bum
to the most powerful figure in the world?”
— Oliver Stone

Well, if it wasn’t such a disaster for our country, it would make a great comedy film.

By Bosch

April 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Watch it again on SciFi.com.

I watched it again today, the Raiders were stripped of their ability to reason (because they refused to fight the Colonial Fleet when they recognized Anders) - and it made Number Six and Leoban, and I think the Sharon model mad, so they took out the inhibitors in the Centurions that prohibited their reasoning abilities - told the Centurions what the other human models Cylons did to the Raiders and then - well, it didn’t work out so well for the ones who went up against Number Six - talk about a woman scorned!

I don’t remember that episode you mentioned - well, not exactly.

Interesting though about the Cylons - their plan is beginning to naturally shift and some are accepting of the natural shift in their “divine plan” and some are fighting it - alot of similarities to what’s going on in the human world.

By Paul

April 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Thanks for the recap. I went over to SciFi and BSG has a rewind section - you can watch the last episode. Plus special features.

Now we’re back into the LDS theology in the storyline - interesting because Glen Larson isn’t around to do that. Taking out the higher function inhibitors from the Centurions - the Adam and Eve - knowledge of good and evil story. Lobotomizing the Raiders - compulsion - taking away free will, one of the greatest gifts of God to Man (taking away free will was the objective of the enemies).

Tricia Helfer was on Leno Saturday (William Shatner was there, drooling). Wore this tube top blue dress (Tricia, not Bill) with this interted pyramid-shaped, multistrand precious metal necklace. Covered from her chin to the dress, most of the area in front.

I made a huge tactical mistake. After about three minutes I said “Wow! Look at that necklace!” My wife looked sideways and said “you’re just NOW noticing?”

I just had to open my mouth and say “yes.”

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Yet more bad news for the flat-earth society:

Governors from across the US are meeting at Yale University this week to discuss ways of dealing with global climate change.

The gathering on April 17/18 will celebrate the centennial of President Theodore Roosevelt’s 1908 Conference of Governors, which launched the modern conservation movement, planted the seed for the National Parks System, and inspired significant state efforts to protect land.

Participants including Govs. Jodi Rell (R-Conn.), Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-Calif.), Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and Kathleen Sebelius (D-Kan.) will “confront the present climate challenge, and set out a vision of a federal-state partnership for future action,” Yale announced.

The governors will meet privately for “high-level discussions on climate change,” then address the general public during a session on April 18th. They’ll “exchange ideas and chart a forward path on state, national, and international action.”

The governors also are expected to sign a “climate change declaration” on state and federal policy-making. “This is particularly timely as the US prepares for new leadership at the federal level. The three presidential hopefuls have pledged to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

“Roosevelt showed remarkable foresight a century ago in engaging the states’ chief executive officers to preserve and protect the nation’s natural resources,” said Yale President Richard C. Levin. “Now, we face a new and critical challenge — global climate change — and leadership in the US is coming from visionary state governors.”

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

More on the Yale Conference (Damned Liberals!):

The conference is being sponsored by the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, which describes itself as one of the country’s leading environmental schools. The school’s dean, Gus Speth, is a co-founder of the Natural Resources Defense Council. He formerly worked for the United Nations Development Programme and chaired the U.N. Development Group.

Nobel Laureate Dr. R. K. Pachauri, chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, will address the gathering, as will several former EPA administrators, including Christine Todd Whitman and Carol Browner. Theodore Roosevelt IV will speak about the legacy of his great-grandfather.

At a 2005 conference on climate change, the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies came up with 39 “recommendations for action.”

They include recognizing climate change as an urgent and moral issue; expanding religious coalitions on the environment; establishing religious outreach efforts on climate change; and recasting climate change as a moral and faith issue.

In February, Yale announced that it has reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent since 2005, and it is aiming for more drastic reductions by 2020, through a mix of conservation measures, renewable energy, and participation in carbon offset projects.

By AJC Management

April 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Hmmmmmm:

{{{{Pennsylvania crowd jeers Clinton attacks on Obama}}}}}

2 possible explanations for the conduct of the crowd, one, the dimwits know that they are dimwits and are proud of being dimwits, two, they know what a lying two faced hack Bruno is and that she hates America just as much as Obambi does.

Go with 2.

~~~~~~

al-Gitmo: Google “Oliver Stone heavy drug use” and see what comes back.

I might be wrong but your biy spent some time locked away with thee Pink Elephants.

By Dimokrat National KKKommittee

April 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

Greetings, fellow goons and klanners-

It has come to thee attention of thee White Powers that many of you hacks have become bitter and angree because Bruno is no longer leading thee Black Crack Dealing Muslim Terrorist. So after thee rally today, we will be passing out guns and other shiny things so that you morons will have something to cling to in these dark days ahead.

Yes, I know that Bruno said that she was “inevitable” but don’t you dimwits know not to trust anything that comes from thee mouth of the Great And Blessed Giver Of Government Benefits? Do you not know to scrutinize each and every word, even “hello,” for truthfulness and honesty?

How many times can you mouth breathers be lied to before it dawns on you, are we not still in Iraq, even though thee White Powers kampaigned in 2006 to cut and run?

And what of the “Most Honest And Ethical Government In History” fable that thee Power Hungry Ones foisted upon you, do you know how many days and focus groups thee Exalted Grandees spent scheming that one?

But remember, as we have told you before, these lies are your fault, you craven slackers and assorted deadbeats, it is you always asking for more from thee White Powers, making them to lie to appease you.

Do you not have thee nicest housing projects in all of thee land, complete with your satellite dish?

Did we not lavish upon you a buck fifty an hour for your job at Stuckey’s truck stop?

So go forth from here, you beady eyed blockheads, and dream the dreams of America, never quench your desire to lay in bed all day and have us wait on you hand and foot.

Maybe we will, maybe we won’t.

And as for Thee Black Man and his his standing in thee polls, are you dimwits not thee voters? What have you been telling thee pollsters at PMSNBC, did you lie to them so that they would not think you are racist, even though they could see thee Flaming Cross tattooed onto your scrawny chest?

So let us ride, you slobbering dunces, hop aboard your horsies, put your pointy little cap on your empty head and carry thee Words Of Bruno throughout thee land.

Whether they are true or not.

Sieg Heil!

By RW-(the original)

April 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I know you’re a big proponent of public financing for campaigns so how do like Obama’s new definition of it? In case you haven’t heard he’s just decided that public financing means collecting contributions from the public at large.

I could’ve sworn there was a different name for that.

By getalife

April 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Please join C&L and the ACLU to tell your members of Congress: Don’t Look the Other Way on Torture

Enough with the free ride to break the law.

By @@

April 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Hamas MP/Cleric’s Friday Sermon: We Will Conquer Rome, —->the Two Americas,<—- and Eastern Europe

Wasn’t it John Edwards who called the war on terror a “bumper sticker”?

I guess he was hoping they’d only take out “the other America”, whichever one that is.

By Paul

April 14, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Last Thursday or so I wrote to Devastator and one other - noted a couple of items I found troubling with Obama’s progression - troubling as he’s set a standard and now appears to be moving away.

Don’t want to do the entire post again - but the public financing is an example. I thought his new definition was… creative.

I’d have been more impressed if he’d said, “you know, I’ve found one should rarely make absolute promises in politics. Circumstances change. I now see I can have a heckuva lot more money to wage a campaign with contributions than with public financing. I know my opponent’s getting much less and would like to hold me to it, but the situation’s changed and I’ve changed my mind.”

By IN THE (Hussein)NEWS

April 14, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

CBS: Iraqi government corruption funds insurgents who kill Americans

UNFREAKIN’BELIEVEABLE

AND

By Paul

April 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

IThN

You’re surprised?

I mean this nicely - I suppose the contributors to those websites have just enough experience to think that somehow, the rest of the world should behave as we think it should.

Don’t tell them that, though. They’ll ban you like they did getalife.

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

You’ve probably heard about the latest dust-up in the Democratic race.

A few days ago, Barack spoke about the frustrations that working people in this country are feeling and said what we all know is true: that many people are bitter and angry because they believe their government isn’t listening to them.

You and I both know that the hope of changing that reality is what drives the unprecedented support for this campaign from ordinary people in every part of the country.

But our opponents have been spinning the media and peddling fake outrage around the clock. John McCain’s campaign, which will continue the George Bush economic policies that have devastated the middle class, called Barack out of touch and elitist. And Hillary Clinton, who is the candidate who said lobbyists represent real people, didn’t just echo the Republican candidate’s talking points: she actually used the very same words to pile on with more attacks.

These comments show just how out of touch Senator McCain and Senator Clinton are with the reality of what’s happening in this election.

We’ve built the broadest campaign of ordinary people in the history of presidential politics — and more people across this country have voted for Barack Obama than either one of them.

And we’ve done it the right way: our campaign is funded by everyday people giving $5 or more. That’s distinctly different from Senator McCain and Senator Clinton, who both rely on money from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs.

There’s nothing elitist about a movement of more than a million people standing up for a different kind of politics.

If you’re fed up with these kinds of tired attacks, you can do something about it right now. We’re setting a goal of 1.5 million people giving to this campaign by May 6th.

You can bring a new donor into this campaign by promising to match their donation. You choose the amount you’re willing to match, and our system will pair you with a supporter who is giving for the first time.

When you do, you’ll be able to see for yourself exactly what kind of people are joining this movement. When that supporter makes their donation, you’ll receive a note with their name and town, and (if they choose to write one) a note about who they are and why they decided to give today.

Thank you for all that yo

By Devastator

April 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Thank you for all that you’ve done so far — you are the strength behind this movement. And right now, you can double the impact of your next donation if you make a matching gift. Will you help fight back now?

https://donate.barackobama.com/promise

Barack Obama’s own life and story are reflected in the character of this grassroots campaign. He was raised by a single mother with help from his grandparents. He has a family he loves, not long ago finished paying off his student loans, and he’s doing what he can to help change this country.

That’s what he’s done for his entire career. After graduating, he became a community organizer, working with people in Chicago who — like many people across the country right now — felt left behind by their leaders.

When you make a matching donation, you’ll be paired with someone with that same sense that it’s time for a government that is responsible to the people for a change.

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And because this is a matching donation, your gift of $25 will be doubled by another supporter. You’ll have twice the impact and help reach our unprecedented 1.5 million-person goal. Make a matching donation now and be a part of history:

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The attacks from the Clinton campaign — on Barack Obama himself, and on supporters like you — can be expected to increase as her chances of winning dwindle further.

A few weeks ago, one of her top aides tried to diminish our success by referring to the places we’ve won as “boutique” states and to our supporters as the “latte-sipping crowd.”

That means 30 states and territories — twice as many as Senator Clinton has won — qualify as “boutique.” And the nearly 15 million people who have voted for us (again, more than Senator Clinton) must drink a lot of latte.

It’s clear that Senator Clinton will continue to say or do anything as her campaign gets more and more negative.

But 1.5 million donors will be an astonishing and undeni

By AmVet

April 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

ITN,

Over 4000 Americans KIA for this?

Heartbreaking doesn’t even begin to describe it…

By AJC Management

April 15, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

America’s favorite surrender monkey speaks and makes the pinkos clap their hands, and here we thought it was always the monkey that did the tricks:

{{{{Carter: Hamas ‘crucial’ to peace-Urinal}}}}

Uh, we’re missing a word here, I suggest adding “demise” right after “Hamas.”

~~~~~

Anyone one else notice how, the moment the subject of the liberal’s Beloved Tax Money comes up, that Iraq suddenly becomes a stable, secure democracy with a bankable future?:

{{{{Congress: Iraq must foot more of bill- Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he wants to add a provision to a defense policy bill that would force the Iraqi government to spend its own surplus in oil revenues to rebuild the country before U.S. dollars are spent.-Urinal}}}}

Rebuilding “Mookie’s” country, eh?

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{{{{BAGHDAD (AP) - Radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr says he will not enter any political process that would allow U.S. forces to remain in Iraq.}}}}

Well, good. Don’t let the door hit you in the as-s.

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{{{{Armed Islamic militants seized a central Somali town, burned the governor’s house and killed two British and two Kenyan teachers, witnesses and police said. The seizure of Belet Weyne was one of several attacks —- including one on a movie theater —- that resulted in at least nine deaths as insurgents continued to battle the weak U.N.-backed government and its Ethiopian allies for control of the country.-Urinal}}}}

So the terrorists kill 4 teachers, undoubtly brave, unselfish souls that gave of themselves to the needy, and the POS Urinal thinks the “UN backed” government is the “weak” one.

Sick.

By AJC Management

April 15, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Not to be outdone by the Ku Klux Rodham kkkampaign, Obambi issued his very own big fat hairy lie:

{{{{“I’m Barack Obama. I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists…”}}}}

Yeah, O.K:

{{{{“Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.”}}}}

{{{{“Two of Obama’s bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.”}}}}

Can you say “pathological?”

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Ahh, yes, “global warming.”

{{{{Some sleet and snow fell Monday north and west of I-85. The National Weather Service forecasts morning temperatures near freezing Wednesday, when it could drop below the record 32-degree low set in 1952.-Urinal}}}}

The colder it gets the more agitated the left wing socialist environmental terrorists become, their dream of dragging America into economic ruin becoming more laughable with each passing day.

But I fear we are still too stupid to learn the lesson of listening to these hysterical harpies:

{{{{The idea of turning farms into fuel plants seemed, for a time, like one of the answers to high global oil prices and supply worries. That strategy seemed to reach a high point last year when Congress mandated a fivefold increase in the use of biofuels.}}}}

{{{{But now a reaction is building against policies in the United States and Europe to promote ethanol and similar fuels, with political leaders from poor countries contending that these fuels are driving up food prices and starving poor people.}}}}

We “saved” the Caribou but destroyed the rest of the planet doing it.

And it isn’t that we don’t already know that a pinko has no compunctions about killing millions of children to soothe their hurt feminine feelings, see abortion, DDT ban malaria.

Are we ever going to get beyond the idiocy of the left wing?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

HERE’S A BITTER PILL TO SWALLOW

Wall Street and Washington Are Failing Spectacularly — Where Do We Go?

AND

Fewer Large Corporations Audited by IRS

By Barbara Crawford

April 15, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Cheney still thinks the insurgency is in it’s last throws in Vegas. Viva Al Queda! Viva Saddam! They met together in a Vegas Chapel and they’ve been together all the time, yes sir, they’ve been together all the time.

Cheney regrets that he labeled a theoretical invasion of Iraq a Quagmire in pre 911 days. His intel proved that Osama bin laden met Saddam Hussein in Rick’s Cafe in Casablanca. Ah, but that’s where Cheney had them! It was the strawberry’s. All Cheney had to do was find the duplicate key to the man sized safe and by using geometric logic, he could prove the strawberry-anthrax connection…..

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

DON’T MEAN TO SOUND BITTER….BUT THIS ONE IS PAR FOR THE COURSE

By Barbara Crawford

April 15, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Blog Alert: Do not get in the habit of clicking on the blue lettered links here. My new $1500 dell got toasted once by doing just that. It would be irresponsible not to warn you good folks.

The trolls think it’s funny. U C, they put up a dozen or so safe links first, and so you never see it coming.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Barbara - I realize that you are just a sychophant liberal with no real ideas of your own. It is clever to make allusions to “The Cain Mutiny” and such. I guess you saw the old Humphrey Bogart film or you might even have taken the time to read the book (the movie was better). However, you have to indict not just Dick Cheney, but the Prime Ministers of Great Britain and Spain as well as a few other world leaders whose own intelligence agencies were showing the same thing as ours.

I know that it is difficult to pull for a victory in a war when that victory would only help your political opposition, no matter how much it might help your country. God forbid that you EVER put the nation’s interests above politics. That would make you a - PATRIOT! How tacky. I remember well in 1944 when Thomas E. Dewey refused to make the conduct of the war an issue in any way, even when he disagreed with the degree of cooperation with the Russians. However, he never raised the subject. McCarther was rightly sacked for his politicization of the conduct of the war in Korea. Notice that Eisenhower did not return that prima donna to command!!! Also notice that during the war and as long as he served in the military Eisenhower never critisized his commander-in-chief. Maybe you libs could learn a few lessons about real patriotism. I still think that Lindbergh and other so-called America-firsters were nothing but traitors who gave aid and comfort to enemies before World War II. Those who continue to press for a withdrawal (and surrender) in Iraq are just as bad if not worse than those right-wing nuts of yesteryear.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Good morning!

ITN,

I heard a funny twist on the John Stewart show last night about the “elitist” Obama comment. John Stewart said something to the effect, “Don’t we WANT an elitist president? Isn’t that job kind of an elitist position? If you do a good job in this position, you might just get your head carved into a mountain! I WANT somebody smarter than me to be the president!”

I thought it was funny. Stewart is pretty reliable to put a funny twist on things.

And if you think about it, we’ve had two “good ol’ boys” in the office for the past 16 years, maybe we need a snobby, Harvard lawyer in there to bring some class back to the office.

By Paul

April 15, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Barbara -

Buy a $45 security suite - antivirus, antispy, firewall. Consumer Reports tests effectiveness and makes recommendations.

Then you can read the links.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

How funny, Mr. Devil bashes liberals when he doesn’t even realize that the “liberal” he’s bashing isn’t a real person, per se, but one of many identities that Polly embraces.

Mr. Devil,

Polifore is a comedian, he switches identities on this blog and writes outlandish things as a joke. Sometimes he/she even writes outlandish “conservative” things, in my honest opinion, to show the absurdity of both sides of the political spectrum.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m curious. What’s your take on this polygamist sect in Texas?

I watched Anderson Cooper interview one of those women last night, which was very painful to watch.

For one thing, if the authorities were going to yank people from that ranch, it should have been the men. I know that the state probably had more evidence to establish child abuse than any crime against the men (except of course polygamy), but still what a nightmare - and I still don’t like the notion of the government defining what is appropriate for marriage - just the multiple wife thing, not the 50 year olds marrying 16 year old women - that’s sick. But to me, it’s just as upsetting as the government trying to ban gay marriage.

Now, as long as these people are totally self-sufficient, and do not ask for any kind of government assistance, pay taxes, etc. why should the government define who they can marry?

One thing they mentioned last night is that the authorities in Colorado City, Arizona, Warren Jeffs old place, are members of his sect, and I thought, I hope that the government does not pay there salaries.

But anyway, just curious about what you thought about that.

By Cardinal Red

April 15, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Barry-O is looking UP “the garlic noses.”

Obama has said he wants to change his party’s antipathy toward pro-lifers, though not its pro-choice position.<<<<

The Obama campaign has formed the “National Catholic Advisory Council”<<<<

That’s nice, but hearing and acting are two different things. And why are two pro-life Catholics giving moral cover to Obama who, when he had the chance, did not even join with several of his Democratic Senate colleagues in voting to ban the horrid practice of partial-birth abortion, in which the brains of a fully developed baby are extracted as the child emerges from the womb?<<<<

How can a Catholic in good standing and good conscience endorse someone who violates a basic tenet of the Catholic Church? The lust for power and position, apparently, has become so strong that some people are willing to sell not only their own souls, but also the beating hearts and souls of unborn children to the highest political bidder.<<<<

Barry-O is one sneaky SOB.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Look a new character!

Welcome Cardinal Red…..

IT sure likes variety

By Midori

April 15, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

{{{{Now, as long as these people are totally self-sufficient, and do not ask for any kind of government assistance, pay taxes, etc. why should the government define who they can marry?}}}}}

That’s the problem, Bosch — this Polygamist sect in particular gets millions from U.S. government in loan, contracts.

Additionally, most of those young mothers are on welfare. The men can only claim the “first” wife as “legitimate”; subsequent wives are seen as unwed mothers in the eyes of the law.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Hey Midori -

Yes, I agree. That is the biggest problem. If these people want to live this way, then they should do it without asking for ANY government help. I read once where a large majority of their income is from construction.

There are really a lot of ethical issues with this case.

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

How elitist!

Republican Rep. Geoff Davis apologized to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday after referring to him as “that boy.”

Addressing a Republican gathering Saturday night, the Kentucky lawmaker said, “That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button.” Davis was talking about political and national security issues at an annual GOP dinner.

Davis’ campaign said it sent a letter to Obama apologizing for the remark, which was widely reported on blogs and newspaper Web sites, including the Lexington Herald-Leader.

“My poor choice of words is regrettable, and was in no way meant to impugn you or your integrity,” Davis wrote in the letter delivered to Obama’s Washington office Monday afternoon. “I offer my sincere apology to you and ask for your forgiveness.”

Earlier, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said, “It’s hard to tell what is more outrageous _ Representative Davis’ condescending and personal attack, or his absurd and offensive claim that Barack Obama is not prepared to defend America.”

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Oh, and the 16 year olds having children with 50 year old men, no, I think that’s the biggest problem, THEN the government assistance. Whew, sorry, about that.

By Beverly Crawford

April 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Huh? Cheney did predict any invasion of Iraq would be a quagmire, and his facial expressions during his statement were a smorgasborg of rolled eyes, frowning, and disbelief at the stupidity of such an idea.

Victory in Iraq would mean that the United States army would have imposed it’s will upon combatants in a 10K year old unsolvable feud and procured peaceful intercourse between the factions to an extent where underwriting of the future could occur.

That is the mission of US troops in Iraq. Defined as no conservative could define that mission.

Pray for victory, for only God could provide it.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

ITN,

How funny, and those recipes have that copyright seal of approval!

By Midori

April 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Bosch - I am disgusted with those men as well.

the Pigs.

By Beverly Crawford

April 15, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Obama’s behavior after a gaff is as important as his home run speeches where everyone goes home feeling great. The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching!

What would I do to right our ship of state? If I had to vote all GOP this november to save us I would do it. If I had to put a GOP majority congress in place to save this country I would do it. If I had to destroy the GOP to save this country I would do it. If I had to impeach Pelosi, or exile Ted Kennedy to save this country I would do it.

Patriotism Defined: Putting Country over Party.

By The real story

April 15, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,’ gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery.

For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.

What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/ sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father.

Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America’s biggest cities.

That man this story is talking about is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright….

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Trs,

With a story like that one would think that Obama would have Wright at his side full time on the campaign trail. Why do you suppose he doesn’t?

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Bosch - what was written under Barbara Crawford sounded no more outrageous than most of what you write every day. I have never seen that moniker before, so how was (am) I to know? What I said sticks to the rest of you, though.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

The real story - There once was a young man who had excelled at school as a boy, but had many problems after he entered his teens. His abusive father died, leaving his mother to raise him and his sisters. His mother tragically died of cancer when he was sixteen. He went to the big city to earn his fortune, but he was unsuccessful, even though some of his work showed promise. He was never allowed to enter architecture school. When war broke out, he entered the army. He distinguished himself and earned several medals, including the highest he could earn for bravery. When the war ended he flailed around for a purpose until he entered politics. He discovered he had a gift for public speaking. After many trials and tribulations, he was elected to the highest post in his country. This man was Adolph Hitler.

The moral of the story is that service in the military and a false or misplaced kind of patriotism does not a hero or a true patriot make!!!

By the Real American story

April 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

10 Things You Didn’t Know About David Petraeus

One of Petraeus’s mottos is: “Physical and mental toughness are…essential [to] leadership. It’s hard to lead from the front if you are in the rear of the formation.” Thanks to his devotion to intellectual pursuits as well as to the military and to physical fitness, he has been called a warrior-scholar, a soldier-scholar, and even a warrior monk.

Thank our lucky “Stars & Stripes” it wasn’t Corpman “go-d-amn America” Wright who was in surgery the day Petraeus took a bullet in the chest.

Talk about rear-formation? Wright is a racist AS-S!

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Eight out of 10 Arabs have an unfavorable view of the United States and only six percent believe the U.S. troop build-up in Iraq in the last year has worked, said a poll of six Arab countries released on Monday.

The poll by the University of Maryland and Zogby International, also found most Arabs did not see U.S. foe Iran as a threat and they sympathized more with Hamas in the Palestinian Territories than U.S.-backed Fatah.

“There is a growing mistrust and lack of confidence in the United States,” said Shibley Telhami, a University of Maryland professor in charge of the annual poll.

The survey canvassed the opinions of about 4,000 people over the past month in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates. It has a margin of error of about 1.6 percent.

Of those polled, 83 percent had an unfavorable view of the United States and 70 percent had no confidence in the superpower.

“You see this (mistrust) in the number of people who are more comfortable with the US withdrawal from Iraq,” said Telhami, noting that more people in this year’s annual survey wanted the United States to leave Iraq.

Last year, 44 percent believed Iraqis would find a way to bridge their differences if the United States pulled out but that figure rose to 61 percent this year.

Only six percent of the respondents believed the U.S. boost of troop levels in Iraq last year by 30,000 had worked to reduce the conflict and one in three mistrusted news reports that violence had declined at all.

Eight in 10 Arabs believed that Iraqis were worse off than they were before the U.S. invasion in March 2003, while 2 percent thought they were better off.

The biggest concern was that Iraq would remain unstable and spread instability in the region, with 59 percent voicing this worry over 42 percent last year.

In contrast to U.S. government views, most Arabs did not see Iran as a major threat and 67 percent considered Tehran had the right to a nuclear program.

PEACE DOUBTS

Over 80 percent of respondents identified the Arab-Israeli conflict as a key issue but just over half — 55 percent — did not believe there would ever be a lasting peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians despite U.S. efforts to broker a deal between the two by the end of this year.

The United States has sought to isolate the militant

By Beverly Crawford

April 15, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Usay, you dare conjur Hitler with me lurking around? I’ll overlook it, you’re a good man, and we all make mistakes. Take a 2-maritini lunch, then we can go back to being the blogging compadres we truly are, my fine, fine friend.

Petreaus is very impressive. His loyalty to Bush is encouraging, because even a casual glance at the reality on the ground in Iraq reveals Petreaus to be the master of heavy metal, soft-pedal euphemisms.

Listen to Gates too. Love how he forms the language to frame an answer that sounds candid and forthright. That’s how you get to be in his shoes. Communication: How you look while you’re saying what you’re not saying.

I think Petreaus has the best delivery of any general I’ve ever heard.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Outrageous? I think you mistake the difference between what is outrageous and what is commentary you simply disagree with.

This comment I feel to be outrageous, which I define as commentary based entirely on one’s biased against another, with absolutely no factual evidence to back up such claims:

“Obama also has nothing but contempt for the average white guy”

As for Polly? I can recognize satire - whether it is indeed Polly or someone else with wit.

If you would like to address any of my posts you feel to be outrageous, then please, by all means.

That is, if there isn’t an important crossword puzzle you wouldn’t rather be doing. Man, it must suck being old.

By Betty

April 15, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Give it up Beverly Crawford! Stop trying to be the next Buy Danish of this blog who is one of the best posters here, BY FAR!

Un-Friggen-Believable! Enough with these impostors. Go away you wanna-be. Just another on the long tired list of fakes.

By The real story

April 15, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

RW-

Well the main reason is this is a 30 second society. They dont want to listen to the whole story. Just the parts the media picks out to create a buzz. And the media wont pick up on it because it doesnt create a lead story. Sorry to say that is the society we live in…..

By Just Saying

April 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Whatever would we do without Devastator/Apocalypse’s DSO - Daily Shill for Obama.

Thank you, thanks a lot. Thanks.

Again.

By The real story

April 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Devil:

I know you look for any opportunity to inject your messiah Hitler in to any conversation but it is clear you missed the point. The moral was a man who because of his skin color not being affored the same opportunities as you and i, served his country, served on the medical staff of a sitting US President then after his military career was over obtained a college degree and prospered. Im sorry your racism blinded you from the moral…….

By Carbon Footprint

April 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Alright! Yes, I’m the multi-ID’d troll who owns this and the wooten blog, in fact I own View from the cop, political insider, snellville talk, norhtside talk, women to woman, the barbie bandit blog, and, I hate to admit it, the kidsRmorons2 blog. (and all the others too)

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

McCain, Military against new GI Bill:

So, McCain is worried that our Troops will want to get out of the military and go to college.

Note to Sen. McCain: THE IRAQ WAR IS MAKING OUR TROOPS LEAVE THE MILITARY!!!

If we would quit having stupid wars for oil, our military, of which you USED to be a member, wouldn’t have to worry about good Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines jumping ship!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=4652517&page=1

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Hey real story:

You are correct. That’s why all the anti-democrat Vents do so well in the “voting” on the AJC.

Most repugs only think in 10 second sound bites. To ask one of them to read a 5,000-word essay quoting multiple sources and using polysyllaic words is like asking a monkey to type the works of Shakespeare!!

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

The real story - no racism was intended by me at all. You are the one who is being racist by implication of what you just wrote. Have you seen me? Are you certain of the color of my skin? I have always believed, as Martin L. King stated that it is the content of a man’s character. I think that you are the one who missed the point completely. The most Wrong Reverend has shown the right side of his face. He is every bit as much a racist as George Wallace (maybe worse) is his hayday. Sorry to disappoint you, but I’ve been called every name in the book from the n word to high yellow to honky, depending on who wanted to be a racist.

By GmaB

April 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

“”Man, it must suck being old.”“

you should know bosch.

taking up space on a political blog to talk about battlestar galactica or “whatever” is pretty pathetic.

you treat this site like your personal social club.

are you a shut-in suffering from lack of blabber control?

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Bosch - everything you just stated is outrageous, especially the comment about being old. Liberal biases and prejudices against those who hold differing beliefs has always amazed me, and have always led me to the other party. Your agist comment was quite telling. I thought supporters of the beneficent Demoncrat party were all for the old, the ill and the helpless! But maybe that is the problem. You see all old people as senile and helpless. You, my misguided friend, are a BIGOT!!!!

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

GmaB - good dig.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

GmaB,

Have you ever seen Battlestar Galactica? It’s a good show, Paul and I like it alot.

Blabber control - that’s a good one. I’ll have to remember that.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

REAPING A BITTER HARVEST

McCain confused about Gen. Petraeus’ job, military chain of command

NOT EVEN A REAL BRIGHT WARMONGER

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

SEEMS THERE’S ENOUGH BITTERNESS TO GO AROUND

Revealing responses to CNN ticker on “Bitter” Democratic fight

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

How pleasantly easy it is to simply say, “everything you state is outrageous.”

I’m not bigoted against old people, not at all, in fact, I have an old handicapped relative who I take care of every day of my life who can certainly be a challenge sometimes, but is rather sweet most of the time. I do have my prejudices, that’s for sure, one of which are those who I consider to be just plain jerks. I find people who fit in that category to be intellectually challenged, they can’t explain their opinions except to say catch phrases like “liberal biases and prejudices” and make completely absurd comments like:

“Obama also has nothing but contempt for the average white guy”

which, by the way, is a far more rascist comment than anything I’ve ever written.

I like old people, I was just commenting that it must suck to be old. Your own prejudices towards anything liberal twisted such a comment into a rant about how I hate old people, when there is nothing in that comment to even suggest a prejudice or bigotry towards the elderly. I respect my elders, well most of them anyway, I certainly do not respect an elder of mine who would write such an absurd, generalized statement such as:

“Obama also has nothing but contempt for the average white guy”

with absolutely no explanation or proof to back such an absurd claim.

By GreenJeans

April 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

Thank you so much for the fun last Saturday night. The flower beds are looking spiffy and ya’ll shore do lay out a nice spread on the patio.

PinkJeans would like to get the recipe for the Beef Wellington; is that your own concoction or did you lift it from the Food Network too?

The kids are looking happy and healthy. Love the home movies. Lordy, it’s been a long time since I’ve done shadow-puppet theater. They’re right—it IS much more fun to be drunk.

Bowling on Thursday? Let me check the book. No, got a conflict; aren’t you supposed to be at the PTA meeting as well?

How about this: if we can put Spring Carnival to bed soon enough maybe we can knock out a few frames afterward. After all, it is Friday Eve.

By the way, your absence didn’t go unnoticed at Book Club last week. If you remember, we changed the meeting from Friday nights just for you…

Hey, gotta go…the window washers are kicking my office glass so hard I can’t concentrate.

Maybe this’ll give me enought time to run down the street to the Forest Department and get our camping spot for Memorial Day Weekend.

You’re on Kitchen Duty Saturday morning and Sunday Lunch.

Thank God for this blog. How in the world do folks manage their lives without it?

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Hey Bosch my brother:

I know it’s hilarious how the neo-conmen and women on this site are so quick to throw out the “racist” tag whenver they disagree.

Just remember that progressives and liberals have been on the front lines FIRST AND MORE OFTEN during the fight against slavery, the fight for women’s voting rights, the civil rights wars and now equal rights for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. We don’t hide behind holy books, or choose scripture piecemeal to “prove” god hates gays (or blacks, or latinos…whatever the “hate du jour” is according to St. “Rush” and St. “Sean.”

P.S. Check out the ‘My Wall Street Journal” complete with topless drawing of Andi’s love interest; Ann Coulter!!

Go to www.slate.com and follow the link. It’s ‘HILLARY-OUS!!!”

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Bosch - that Obama has nothing but contempt for the average white guy is quite as obvious as the nose on your face from his own words. His recent statement about God and guns in Pennsylvania is just such an example. He also has spoken in the past in generalities about the average white person. I wonder what the decibel level would be if McCain talked about the average black person. His statements throwing his own grandmother under the bus for alleged racist statements by her but his failure to completely denounce the racists statements of the Most Wrong Reverend are also an example of his contempt. He also had to be forced by Hillary Clinton to denounce and renounce Louis Farrakhan, and even then he did not go all the way. Imagine if George W. Bush refused to denounce the racist views of someone like David Duke when asked. As a matter of fact, George H.W. Bush went and campaigned against Duke in Louisiana when he was running for Governor as a Republican, and Republicans almost universally denounced him. (What a choice in that election, by the way. The crook Edwards, now in jail, or the KKK Grand Dragon David Duke. Louisiana is a mess!) You Democrats always seem to make excuses for your crooks and bigots and scream about the Republicans. We almost always condemn ours and kick ‘em out. You just circle the wagons - e.g. Teddy Kennedy and Barney Franks!

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Some months ago, in regards to a discussion about Bush’s horrific and ever dropping approval ratings, I predicted that the hero of Alabama may well have another major debacle up his sleeve, which would send his numbers plummeting into the heretofore unimaginable teens.

Unfortunately there is still time and Cheney’s hastily arranged 9-day visit to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Oman, Turkey, and the Palestinian territories that should make any thinking, non neo-con (is that redundant?) American wonder why.

01-20-09.

By GmaB

April 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

“”Have you ever seen Battlestar Galactica? It’s a good show”“

i would expect it is for a space cadet like you bosch. you’re still wet between the ears and below the mouth.

it’s a daily drool manning your post here, isn’t it?

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Hey “Devil,”

I know why y’all go all apoplectic whenever the fine Senator from Massachusetts, Edward “Ted” Kennedy, is mentioned. But, what did Barney Frank ever do to you?

Or, are you just another neo-con trapped in the self-loathing of being gay and hating yourself for it?

Barney Frank is great! Ever hear him on “Real Time with Bill Maher?” Of course you haven’t!!!

Don’t worry, Bosch, we all know what folks have cornered the market on hate and bigotry…AND IT AIN’T PROGRESSIVES!!!

By The real story

April 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Devil,

I find it amusing that you say you were not bringing race into the issue when you mention Hitler in your post. True military service is not the high mark but i think you could have done much better with a comparison to someone else that doesnt inflame hatred when you bring up that name. I lost many relatives thanks to him and you using his name is about the same as using the N word as far as i am concerned. So refrain from the Hitler comparisons if you want a friendly dialog.

By @@

April 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

WHAT???

No new cartoon ml? Let me help…..

“Attica…Attica”

“there’s moonbats in the belfrie, and they wanna fly.”

Maybe one of your cellmates could slip you a pencil and scratch pad through the bars. Then you can get to “doodling”.

By moonbat betty

April 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

right was Wright

obama knows Bitter

somebody please vote for a real good Sitter

hope and Change

change and Hope

obama sure can rope a Dope

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Falseman - J. William Fullbright, Bill Clinton’s mentor, and Robert J. Byrd, still in the Senate and a Democrat ‘progressive’ icon, all signed the Southern Manifesto and voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Although Albert Aaron Gore, Sr. did not sign the Southern Manifesto, he too voted against those civil rights acts. Only 4 Republican Senators voted against the civil rights acts, and they did so for honest, but misguided reasons that had NOTHING to do with race. One was Barry Goldwater, who voted against them on libertarian grounds. You folks are the ones who throw the racists label around when anyone disagrees with you. But do you have people of color over for dinner, or are they just making it and serving it? Your hypocrisy is palpable.

By The real story

April 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

You and i are in complete agreement about the attention span of most Americans. Take Obamas recent comments, i read the whole discussion he had with the reporter and found nothing wrong with what he said. Same with Rev. Wrights so called hate filled speech. One of the radio stations here played his entire sermon and i found not one thing wrong with what he said or how he said it. But when you cut it up like the news organizations did without playing the whole thing, then you get what they wanted, OUTRAGE. Im sure 90% havent read Obamas recent comments in full text nor Rev. Wrights speech. To me that speaks volumes about their ignorance. And speaks volumes about what is wrong with this country….

By getalife

April 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

“3:30 Friday: The time everything changed for Obama

Sen. Barack Obama’s instantly infamous remarks on how small-town Americans “cling” to their faith, their guns, and their xenophobia began drawing attention around 3:30 p.m. Friday.”

It is hilarious watching Obama, his biased blogs and MSNBC trying to spin this biggest mistake ever except for w, in politics.

It is over and the voters will end this story.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

The real story - The Most Wrong Reverend’s hate-filled, bigotted, racist and virulently anti-American statements are just that, and his racism is different from Hitler’s only in degree. The comparison might be shocking to you, but it is still a fair, and apt comparison. Claims that Wright is somehow a good person because he once served in the military is really quite ludicrous. That is about the same as saying that Pope Alexander VI was saintly because he had been ordained as a priest!!!

By @@

April 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Police intervene to end fight outside Clayton meeting

Political power plays are so ugly.

I recall when I was working in the Clayton County Commissioner’s Office…what sounded like a brawl was emanating from the Chairman’s office. Turns out, that’s exactly what it was…

one of the part-time commissioners had overturned another commissioner in his chair, and had him in a choke hold.

I’m so embarrassed!!! I took the county sticker off my car tag. I’m not bitter, just embarrassed…

cause life goes on in spite of…

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Tim McVeigh was a vet too.

{{{{{It is over and the voters will end this story.}}}}}

getalife,

I believe you’re right about that, but it’s too late for Hillary. Looks like a President McBushie in 2009.

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Real Story:

That’s what the neo-conmen and women did with the bible to justify slavery, subjugation of women, minorities and gays…some of them even came up with snake handling.

The Old Testament (I believe Deuteronomy) says we should KILL OUR CHILDREN if they are not respectful to their elders.

Gosh, I wish Andi/Devil/@@/RWs parents had read that part of their bible…lol!!!

By moonbat betty

April 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

don’t forget Truthman,

100 more years of war with Iraq…

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Falseman - You forget that Barney Frank was censored by the House for his relationship with a gay pimp who was using Frank’s house as a brothel. Just imagine if that had been a Republican Congressman either homosexual or heterosexual had done that. The anchors at CNN would have strokes!!!

Not only is Barney Frank a radical left wing kook, but he is an immoral hypocrite! I believe that is your complaint about people like Larry Craig, and I am the first to agree with you.

By mm

April 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Funny stuff from Glenn Beck on tax day:

Republicans say they will cut taxes for everyone and occasionally they do it. Of course, they don’t combine that with a cut in spending, so it’s like they stop punching you with their left hand and continue with their right.

Democrats don’t even bother to hide their love for spending — at least not well. They just say all those lucky rich people and evil companies will pay the bills. Being lucky, rich, evil and a company, I really hate tax day.

However, I’m a little unsure which approach is better. Democrats burst through the front door of our convenience store with a gun and tell us to empty the contents of our cash register into their little bag with the dollar signs on it.

Republicans walk through the store and smile at us while shoplifting furiously when we turn our backs. When we catch them on surveillance cameras, they just claim they learned their lesson and won’t do it next time. Either way I’m being ripped off, and both parties seem to have the attitude that we should be lucky they graced the store with their presence.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

that Obama has nothing but contempt for the average white guy is quite as obvious as the nose on your face from his own words.

Threw his granny under the bus?

What a strange family you must come from.

Granny’s precious, beloved grandson spoke the truth. I’d bet she couldn’t be prouder.

Little Ricky - you remain one warped dude/dudette/sociopath.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

RW - good point about McVeigh.

By getalife

April 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

RW,

If the spinelss dems are dumb enough to run snobama, you are right. He would get crushed like McGovern.

If they run the fighter Clinton, President Clinton is right when he said she would win the general easily.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Pardon my terrible spelling that changed the meaning of what I meant to say - slip of the fingers out of habit - I should have typed CENSURED not censored.

By @@

April 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

ToothlessMan:

(((That’s what the neo-conmen and women did with the bible to justify slavery, subjugation of women, minorities and gays)))

How so? At my place of worship, we’ve got a female minister, and a black lesbian couple w/kids handling the snakes.

J/K, we don’t handle snakes, but as I’ve mentioned before…

I cut one’s head off.

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Hey “Devil”

How about the male protitute (Jeff Guckert [sp?]) who got 196 press credentials to the WH press briefings so he could lob softball questions the press secretary.

Your idea of immorality and mine are diametrically opposed.

I’d much rather my representative was BF-ing somebody he loved rather than a president and VP who are constantly BF-ing America!!!

Why are you soooooo afraid of gays? Is it that you are closeted and hate yourself for not loving yourself?

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Hussein - Granny wasn’t speaking in public in front of hundreds of parishoners and being video recorded for posterity. It was rude and disrespectful and, in fact, I actually doubt that the remarks were ever made. He seems to have as many problems with the truth as his esteemed opponent, Mrs. Rodham-Clinton.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Falseman - You again made an assumption that is quite unwarranted. You see, despite my conservative views and my mixed ancestry, I too have to confess to being a (gasp) HOMOSEXUAL!!!

By @@

April 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

ToothlessMan:

(((Is it that you are closeted and hate yourself for —->not loving yourself?<—-)))

Uhmmmmmm….that’s an odd way of putting it. Maybe if you’d get off this site and out in the world, you could find someone who could do that for you.

I’m sure it helps being ToothlessMan.

Weird!

By The real story

April 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Devil:

Have you heard or read Rev. Wrights entire sermon that was so inflamitory?

Truthman,

I allways wondered why the need to write the New Testament when the Old Testament was around. Religion is just a mask for biggots, so they can say “The bible says so”. Real practitioners of religion dont feel the need to share their faith with everyone…

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

McVeigh was indeed a US Army veteran.

Much more significantly though he was a far right wing nut job.

In 1993 during the Waco Siege the loon sold bumper stickers!

He was also an NRA gun nut, moving from show to show, where he sold a flare gun that he said could shoot down an ATF helicopter.

He said the OKC bombing was revenge for “what the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge. He absolutely loved The Turner Diaries. All evidence that the scumbag was a big-time white supremacist and ardent fan of conservative gun toting religious frauds and nut jobs.

In other words, Timothy McVeigh was a right wing conservative to the core.

Own him, conservatives. He’s yours….

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Truthman, my brother right back at ‘cha,

Thanks. I don’t think many here even know what a rascist truly is, and certainly do not recognize it when they see it.

I’m the first to admit I have my certain prejudices, everybody does, and those that say otherwise are just lying to themselves.

Thanks too for the Coulter suggestions, but I’ll pass - I’m going to have to drink heavily now just to get that image out of my head.

Mr. Devil,

I love this kind of remark:

“He also has spoken in the past in generalities about the average white person”

What the hell? I’ve talken in the past about the generalities of the average white guy too. So? Care to be a little more specific and give examples so we can analyze the context for ourselves?

“His recent statement about God and guns in Pennsylvania is just such an example”

What the hell? Obama didn’t mention white people when he said that at all. Are you suggesting that white people are the only people who hold on to Gods and/or guns when they are frustrated? No where did Obama say that, or even imply that.

Reverend Wright is history dude and most intelligent Americans see that for what it is, and they’ve gotten over it. Threw his grandmother under a bus? Now that would be harsh. In my opinion, he was simply stating that we all have relatives who’ve said some pretty harsh things that we don’t agree with - me included - I’ll bet you too.

That’s hardly “throwing someone under a bus,” but if you want to go with that, go ahead. I’d hate to be a member of your family if that’s your definition of family disagreements.

By @@

April 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I’m pretty sure Tim McVeigh was viewed as a libertarian. That’s why members within the party felt the need to disown his kind.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

@@,

I certainly wouldn’t pass judgment on your “Buddy.” Are you serious about where you got him?

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Obama’s comment about Pennsylvanians had anything to do with race. It was more directed at class and cultural differences, which to me was even more insulting.

Class and culture comes in an assortment of colors.

That’s what happens when a political party runs on a platform of identity politics. At some point, they cross the divide and insult the average Joe, which is what Obama did.

Pigeonholes leave pigeon poo.

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

(((Are you serious about where you got him?)))

Yep! I didn’t rescue him. It was my daughter and her then boyfriend who rescued him. He was kept tied under a house while the pitbulls were penned.

He doesn’t know how to stand up and eat because of the environment in which he was raised. Always lays flat.

He’s a sweetheart. The only scar he has is a huge hematoma (sp?) on one of his floppy ears.

By Mel

April 15, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Devil: Cut the crap - you’re not gay. You’re too screwed up in all other respects to add that bit to your resume. Too weak to live with that. @@: Are you being “threatened” today by the AJC?? Duh was another pansy who constantly claimed threats. Great company you’re in. You repunks do have your problems, eh?

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

@@,

“That’s what happens when a political party runs on a platform of identity politics. At some point, they cross the divide and insult the average Joe”

That is so true. So true. So true. Yeap, so true.

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Devil: Good for you!

But, as the saying goes, “A gay voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders!”

I don’t understand the entire “Log Cabin Republican” wing of the GOP. They (gays) are voting in direct opposition to their lifestyle and values (I believe).

Devil, I gotta ask: How can gays support a party that is so openly hostile to gays?

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

@@,

Oh, how horrible. Sometimes I think the death penalty needs to be extended to people who do that to animals.

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

To make Tim McVeigh even less interesting, I’d be willing to bet he would have been vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act. Ever fearful of an invasion of privacy and violation of the constitution.

Damn!!!!! Liberals….own him, he’s yours.

Which reminds me. I got a call from my brother-in-law the other day. He lives 90 miles from us. Called and told me to put the tractor under the shed, and lower the umbrella at the pool cause a storm was coming.

Seems he was googling earth.

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Bosch - in my background, I know of what he was speaking, and he wasn’t talking about people of color when he was referring to those bitter Bible thumping gun toters in rural and small town Pennsylvania. He was referring specifically to white culture. I know. I was raised in both worlds at a time when it was difficult to be an outsider in either. Being mixed race was about as bad as it got in small town Louisiana (and even worse in high school in the Florida panhandle).

The fact is what I have heard from him is that same elitist liberal condescention I have experienced both in the black community (poor things, we’ve got to give you more government cheese) and toward the white community (poor fools, you don’t even know when to drink red wine and when to drink white). Hillary Clinton hit it on the head when she stated that the Democrats have suffered from an image of liberal elitism. They have earned it. Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry were all right out of that mold and they alienated millions of voters that the Democrats theoretically should have had right in their back pockets, most of them ‘poor rural whites’, Bubbas if you will. Liberals are the worst at pigeonholing people and being completely obsessed with race. In fact, too many have turned it into a cottage industry. They cannot afford for racism to go away. They would lose their little pulpits. Jesse Jackson is just the best example of that. I had thought that Obama was different, but he has proven to be just as insidious as the others. Too bad, so sad.

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

MelSmells:

(((@@: Are you being “threatened” today by the AJC?? Duh was another pansy who constantly claimed threats.)))

Nope! but if you’ll point to where I left you with that impression, I’ll point to your lack of skills in reading comprehension.

I’ll be waiting.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

BITTER HEARTS BITTER MINDS

McCain Advised On Catholic Issues By Former Bush Adviser Accused Of Sexual Misconduct»

By The Devil You Say

April 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

yes folks, I am gay. I really am. I am not foolin. You are so obsessed with pigeonholing people that you cannot believe that someone can be gay and conservative. I am both. I am also a Christian. I also believe in intelligent design. I also believe in equal rights for women. I believe that Islam is evil mostly because of the explicit things said in the Koran and Sharia law vis-a-vis gay people.

I usually don’t mention this until people start hurling the racist, sexixt, homophobe epithets at me, then I believe that I must set the record straight to these liberals who ARE racist, sexist and homophobic!

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

To put McVeigh in true perspective, consider this.

He showed no remorse at killing 18 children in that building, instead referring to them as collateral damage.

A conservative through and through…

Of course Obama said nothing “elitist”.

Neither did Ferraro say anything “racist”.

Nor did McCain warmonger with his 100 years comment.

Two heretofore critical aspects of intelligent American dialogue have been taken completely off of the table (beginning with Gingrich?) - context and reasonableness.

All of this self-righteous teeth-gnashing is simply pablum for partisan, non-thinking trolls on blogs and ratings wh0res on TV/radio…

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

To put McVeigh in true perspective, consider this.

He showed no remorse at killing 18 children in that building, instead referring to them as collateral damage.

A conservative through and through…

Of course Obama said nothing “elitist”.

Neither did Ferraro say anything “racist”.

Nor did McCain warmonger with his 100 years comment.

Two heretofore critical aspects of intelligent American dialogue have been taken completely off of the table (beginning with Gingrich?) - context and reasonableness.

All of this self-righteous teeth-gnashing is simply pablum for partisan, non-thinking trolls on blogs and ratings wh0res on TV/radio…

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Goodness Devil, what do you think of all the so-called “christain” leaders and churches that dislike gays as much or more than Islam? You know, the conservative counterparts to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (Pat Dobson, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell)? Are they “OK” with you because they put the word “christian” after their hate-filled messages?

Religion is the opiate of the masses! The sooner we get past all the medieval BS that belief in religion requires, the better off all the world’s people will be!!

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Devil:

Hope you didn’t take offense to my post to Truthman @ 2:31. None was intended. Just trying to encourage a love match with someone other than himself.

His narcissism is very unhealthy - both psychologically and physically.

He could pull somethin’.

By @@

April 15, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Let’s take a look at Janet Reno’s statement after Waco, shall we ShamVet?

[In the wake of 75 deaths in the FBI attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, an independent probe found] “this was the final act of a man who held himself out to be God.” The report dismissed the two primary reasons cited by Reno as justification of her decision to use tear gas. First, there was no evidence that abuse of children continued after the standoff began. Second, it would have been possible to rotate in relief agents to spell the exhausted Hostage Rescue Team, though the replacements wouldn’t have been as well-trained.

So Reno had been wrong. But there was no stronger criticism of her in the report than the mention in a footnote that, on the day she authorized the use of tear gas, she “did not read the prepared statement carefully.

The New York Times called the findings ”The Waco Whitewash.“ Reno said she didn’t consider the report a whitewash. ”I wasn’t looking for vindication.“ There was no single reason she authorized the assault, she said; it was an accumulation of factors.

Janet Reno, Attorney General under Democrat, Bill Clinton.

By Truthman

April 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

There you go again with the “Logic” thing. I’ve told you before that neo-conmen and women never let facts get in the way of a good, juicy lie!!

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

I agree with @@ on this one, I think it was all about class, but his statements were, as usual, taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

And, what exactly did he say that was so offensive? Even the chopped up versions I’ve heard weren’t all that off target in my opinion.

Sometimes brutal honesty is nice - when you’ve got a booger hanging out your nose, it’s nice for someone to tell you it’s there, even if it is a little embarrassing.

And like I said earlier, after the last two “Bubba boys” we’ve had in the office, a President who knows which wine to drink with beef or fish and can have an intelligent conversation with heads of states will be a good thing.

AND Hillary Clinton calling Barack Obama an elitist is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Hillary may think she can drink with the boys, but she isn’t fooling anyone.

By moonbat betty

April 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

@Amvet: “To put mcveigh in true perspective, consider this.

He (mcveigh) showed no remorse at killing 18 children in that building, instead referring to them as collateral damage.

A conservative through and through…” >

—Wow, now that is someone who knows what a conservative is folks!

good job you non-tooth gnashing non-partisan hack!

HAHAHAHA!

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

I partially get into these “debates” with the “faithful” just to watch them get their granny panties in a wad and spin like whirling dervishes as they change the topic when they get outwitted.

In other words, constantly.

Who in the name of (your favorite deity here) do these cretins think Timmy McVeigh despised more?

The liberals or the conservatives?

And conversely who was he MUCH more politically aligned to?

The liberals or the conservatives.

Point, game, set, match.

Now straddle that racket and go home and pray for rain…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

BITT, BITTER, BITTEREST

Bear Stearns CEO to keep job with JP Morgan, 7000 to be fired

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Devil,

What you believe in and who you are is your business - and yours alone.

But, what you believe, and who you are, never gives you the right to say to others who aren’t like you and don’t believe the things you do are wrong.

It’s the sweeping generalized statements you make about all things liberal or anyone with a (D) after their name that make you dishonest at best.

You are a retired school teacher and you have a really hard time explaining your opinion other than “liberals are [insert negativity here]”

Just look at both sides of the coin every now and again.

By @@

April 15, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Looking for an African American whose opinion on Obama I share. Thomas Sowell is “an individual” who I greatly respect. It was Andy and RW who introduced me to Dr. Sowell.

Like so many others on the left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious and racist working class people.

In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a “clarification,” when people react adversely to what was plainly said.

When a political party (Democrats) play the games where they politically parlay African Americans, you can bet it’s not to the benefit of their constituency. It’s to the benefit of party only.

We have a place for African Americans in the Republican party. It’s beside us, not beneath us. Average Joes are welcome too. Drinks are on the house….wine, beer, liquor, milk, tea, water, coffee, spritzers. No Kool-aid though.

Far-left liberal elitists need not apply. Their snoots are already too full drinking in one another.

By Barbara Crawfish

April 15, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

CNN has reported that the pope apologized for, and admits to being deeply ashamed of, the Singing Nun today. In a prepared statement, His Holiness said, “I knew we had to do something in reparation when all those Singing Nun cover bands started popping up in the Rhine Valley in der hinterlands.”

By Paul

April 15, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

IThN 9:58

Now the lalaland Left is picking up on recipe authorship?!!? Ummm, it’s a couple weeks past April 1.

BTW – ever bought one of these small town, church, fireman’s or other recipe collections where they list who it’s from? Think they’re all original recipes? Then again, I’m sure Ms Huffington has a personal chef so she’s not too familiar with the lives of the unwashed masses - IThN 12:53

“Increase troop benefits to pay for their education… showing support for the troops.” Interesting how liberals seem to measure success by dollars spent. Then again, many conservatives measure progress by dollars cut.

IThN 12:56

I noticed your link did not declare what the chain of command is and why McCain was “wrong.” While diverting forces from Iran to Afghanistan isn’t Gen Petraeus’s decision, you can rest assured as the senior ground guy his “opinion” will carry just a wee bit of weight.

So, do you think the Crooks and Liars folks know the chain of command?

Devil You Say

Good one with the Hitler story! LOL! I think many of these “he’s a patriot ‘cause he served during VietNam” must’ve been born well after Vietnam. Boy, if they tried a line like that on a history or polysci prof at Berkely…

BTW – the lucky ones got deferments. The real lucky, connected ones got a slot in the Guard or Reserves, ‘cause as a general rule, the Guard and Reserves never deployed! The unlucky schmucks got drafted. Many who joined when they didn’t have to (Navy or AF, to avoid getting drafted to the infantry) were viewed by many as just a tad nutty.

However: “that Obama has nothing but contempt for the average white guy is quite as obvious as the nose on your face from his own words. His recent statement about God and guns in Pennsylvania is just such an example.” Guns and God are the purview of white folks? Given he’s half white, I think he could go either way with this –

By @@

April 15, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

(((Point, game, set, match.)))

Oh if it were that simple AmVet.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal government building.

While conservatives look to limited government, they don’t seek to destroy it altogether.

When it comes to Democrats, they want government funds in their pockets, but not in their pants. When it comes to the greenie wienies and their pants, the greenies will blow up a government facility, plan for the destruction of a damn, set a national forest on fire.

The anti-war crowd, who has nothing in their pants, is likely to firebomb a military recruiting facility.

No….the eco-terrorists and anti-war terrorists are far more likely to seek and destroy when government and business is not to their liking.

Granted, there are nuts on the right as well.

It’s a wash, not a win.

By Paul

April 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Hey there, back to the social club!

Regarding the church thing – I generally hold that people can worship what they want and how they want and everybody should leave them alone. But people in this country seem to take quite a bit of glee in pointing out how others are “wrong” or “off” in their beliefs. Having said that, there is clear precedent in law for regulating certain religious practices – remember the snake handler case decided by the Supreme Court.

Generally, religion can’t interfere with certain interests of the society as a whole (and don’t even think about trying to sacrifice an animal). We regulate marriage as between one man and one woman (commentators have speculated the legal case against polygamy will dissolve if gay marriage becomes law). Child welfare is another example. This appears clear – even though done under the guise of religion, children 12, 13, 14 getting married and having babies by much older men seems pretty much a sham.

Sure, look at the out of wedlock rates of birth in this country. In some groups it’s 70 percent. Some will argue, well, go after the adult males in those cases, impregnating the teenagers. I don’t disagree. But to say one happens so we don’t prosecute another is erroneous. Plus – a critical difference – such actions as a result of the social interactions of a child is different than a group of middle aged men directing who should get married to whom.

I’m not too worried about the slippery slope arguments. This case seems pretty clear-cut. I think it’s the responsibility of the government to prevent the sexual exploitation of children.

By @@

April 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

Well chit! Speaking of coffee.

Hugo Chavez just got through nationalizing 60 some odd sugarcane plantations. They’re predicting coffee plantations will be next.

I’ll have to pay even more for my daily fuel.

So goes Hugo’s ego, and up goes the price of my caffeine.

Shickens are on his menu as well.

By N-GA

April 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Perhaps you didn’t really examine the report about Mrs. McCain. Her “recipes” are taken virtually word-for-word from the Food Channel recipes. It’s is a case of true plagiarism as opposed to the old practice of “borrowing” someone else’s recipe and adding a little of this and a pinch of that to personalize it.

Of course she is not running for office. But she deserves the same level of scrutiny as all the other spouses in the race. Wouldn’t you agree?

I can’t wait until the Dem candidate is selected and we can finally start having debates between McCain & his opponent. It should prove interesting to see if someone will succeed in provoking his legendary temper. My money is on Obama to do just that.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Good points. Another thing that bothers me with these polygamist sects is how they turn out some younger males from the compound. That is another telling sign of just some sick old pervs playing God in my book.

I too believe that people should have the right to believe and worship as they want, but as I heard one commentator say, you can never break the law in the name of religion.

I had a REALLY awful dream last night about my daughter. I dreamed she was in one of those sects and was being forced to marry, and I was trying desperately to find her and get her out! It was horrible. She’s my baby and maybe I’m just having some “Oh my God, my baby is growing up” issues, compounded with my conflicting ideas in this case.

I still don’t think the children should be separated from their mothers, although on the other hand, i think it is just as abusive to raise children in such a sheltered environment where they can not make informed decisions about the outside world as they get older.

@@,

Your political cookies are on the front page of ajc.com right now. I think my gluttonous mutt would go for both.

By @@

April 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

I missed this little oddity yesterday:

(((Iraq: Al-Sadr Faces Murder Charges — Report April 14, 2008 2257 GMT Radical Iraqi Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr faces charges in the clerics’ court in Tehran, Iran, of instigating the April 10, 2003, killing of Ayatollah Abdul Majid al-Khoei, an Iraqi Shiite leader based in An Najaf, Saudi-run news Web site Elaph.com reported April 10. So far, other media outlets have not confirmed the Elaph report.)))

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Exactly. And she ripped of my woman, Giada’s recipe at that!

By Paul

April 15, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Nah, I didn’t look closely at it. Strikes me in kind of the same league as “Obama has too planned this run for the Presidency. I have here the words of his Kindergargen teacher…”

I suppose if they’d labeled the recipes “Family Favorites” it’d be a nonissue. But really, just tells me the length to which people will try to get a gotcha. If Soros does come through with that $40mil for Begala and his sidekick we’ll see the return of Swiftboating with a vengeance.

Frankly, I wonder about the level of scrutiny some want to impose on spouses. I suppose if the spouse were a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army it might be an issue. But just think if Pres Clinton had stopped at governor - what would we be listening to now from Hillary’s opponents? I guess I’m drawing the line at the personal stuff.

The debates will be good. I think McCain would be better served by getting back to his rebellious, anti-Republican establishment self. He made a comment the other day that the current economic troubles are largely the result of Wall Street. It’ll be interesting if the populist/anticorporate message gets a bit confused between the Dem and Rep nominees.

By Paul

April 15, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Giada has recipes? Hadn’t noticed recipes…

By Carbon Footprint

April 15, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

The Pope had admitted being ashamed of the Singing Nun today. He apologized for all the Singing Nun cover bands popping up at weddings, funerals, and bar mitvahs.

Maybe the catholic church DOES get it.

By Bosch

April 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are a bad, bad man. Kind of like Tricia’s necklace, huh? :-)

Pleasant evening all!

By @@

April 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Daaammmnnnnn, Raul Castro is allowing his citizens to sign up for cellular phone service for the first time. $120 to activate. That’s half a year’s wages for those on a state salary. That’s most of the population don’tcha know.

And he just gave them a raise. They so lucky in Cuba.

If they get a brain tumor from using a cellphone, the government will remove it. Lobotomies are free.

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Who the heck cares what McVeigh’s politics were in the context of this conversation? The point that was raised early today indicated that if you were ever in the military you were automatically a bastion of greatness and it shielded you from any examination of your future deeds and actions. Whoever raised that point didn’t like it when it was noted that Hitler had been military and I didn’t particularly like that one either since he wasn’t US military.

McVeigh got what he deserved and the fact that he once served in the military didn’t and shouldn’t shield him from the consequences of any future actions. You really have to wonder about someone that constantly uses their military service as a skirt to hide behind, but I’ve only seen one of those types around here. Pathetic comes to mind.

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

So the ever worsening Delta Airlines desperately wants to merge with Northwest.

No wonder.

When I first moved to Atlanta in the late 70’s, Delta was one of the shining stars in the aviation business. Well run, on time and GREAT service.

Boy was all that to change.

Before that many years went by, I realized that Delta was THE problem in Atlanta. It became absolutely cutthroat in its attempts to keep all other carriers (read cheaper, better run) out, all to the disservice and COST for southeastern fliers.

I know its decades too late for us here in Atlanta, and I realize that this company is not solely to blame, but for the sake of all those people elsewhere, and in attempt to staving off ruining what was once one of the better airlines, NW, don’t do it.

By AJC Management

April 15, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Now this is what you call “change:”

{{{{PITTSBURGH (AP) - Republican Sen. John McCain on Tuesday called for a summer-long suspension of the federal gasoline tax and several tax cuts as the likely presidential nominee sought to stem the public’s pain from a troubled economy.}}}}

1) When the price of a gallon of gasoline drops by 50 cent, the average non dimwit will immediately realize what a bunch of blood sucking parasites the tax happy liberals really are.

2) This news will probably cause the pinkos to go into hair raising convulsions of anguish when they realize they are going to lose 50 cents of their life blood, your tax money.

Should be fun to watch.

By FIO

April 15, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

the libs can always keep tabs on their gas consumption and give it back voluntarily. there’s a line on their tax forms if they be so generous.

By @@

April 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Well ShamVet is the John Kerry of the AJC blogs, so……..

Strike a pose! AmVet.

You’re on candid camera.

By AJC Management

April 15, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

I know the liberals at the Urinal are addicted to whining but maybe they should think about it before they do:

{{{{ATLANTA TORNADO ONE MONTH LATER- Storm damage awaits repair, One month later, homes and downtown buildings still bear the scars.-Urinal}}}}

And to think, all of the gruff that Bushie and FEMA took after Katrina, and I’ll be damned if the libs can’t fix their own damage in a snap either.

Huh, kinda makes you wonder.

By The real story

April 15, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

RW says:

“Whoever raised that point didn’t like it when it was noted that Hitler had been military and I didn’t particularly like that one either since he wasn’t US military.”

You like the Devil missed the point. It had nothing to do with military service. It had to do with a african american against long odds succeeding. Being from the military does not make you a better person, candidate or President. Hell look at W. He was in the military and went to Harvard. Yet he didnt fulfill his military obligation nor from what i see studied how to master the english language. In other words talk is cheap, action trumps all…..

By Glenn

April 15, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

I suppose I should at least take exception to Mike’s likening our armed forces to vermin, but he’s the sort who would equate a mouse’s “rights” to our own, so who knows—-maybe to him it’s a left-handed salute.

CarbonFoot,

Report to the House of Gore immediately to pay up. Carbon don’t come cheap, you know.

Now I’ve got this strumming brain worm whistling “Dominique” from one inner ear en route to the other, and it’s all your fault. I’m thinking of asking Raul for a free lobotomy or an expensive cell phone. Whatever.

By Paul

April 15, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Glenn

A pox on you! I just got up to go to the other computer and was walking down the hall and started whistling that stupid song.

Sleep won’t come fast enough tonight -

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Trs,

The story you cut and pasted here is about military service and the name you’re using when you cite the story shows that you’re trying to use his service as a shield against his anti American sermonizing. Save your spin for somebody like yourself that’s likely to buy it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So when Blowhard showed up the late 70s Delta was a crown jewel and in a few short years was the scourge of the Atlanta travel industry. How many stories is that we’ve heard about how whenever Blowhard shows up somewhere it all goes to crap?

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Knowing just how many times you have been humiliated here, I can understand the hesitance to mention names.

And nice euphemism using “examination”.

McCain and Hagel know what POS your heroes were and are.

“You really have to wonder about someone that constantly uses their military service as a skirt to hide behind, but I’ve only seen one of those types around here.”

Talk about the epitome of gutlessness and faux patriotism!

That some little chickensh!t chickenhawk won’t even say the name he infers, says it all.

I have no such reservations, and feel no need to pull punches with such cowards.

Even the repulsive shemale pack b!tches Dusty and @@ have more balls than you {{{{ricky retardo}}}}.

You make quite a yellow trio, you do…

By The real story

April 15, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

RW:

Nope, like i said before, a majority of Americans have the attention span of a gnat and judge by what they hear on the 30 second news. My point on the paste is that all of those who say he is anti american doesnt know his background. Have you heard his sermon? I have. I asked the Devil if he has and he didnt respond. So prove me wrong and go listen to his sermon and tell me what is anti american about it. Most of the sermon is on how african americans have been wrongly treated in this country. and as history has showed you cannot disprove that fact….

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Blowhard, but a name wasn’t necessary. Everyone and their fourth cousins knew it was you.

By the way, should we take a tour of the archives and see that it’s the MO of one HUGE/AmVet to not address people by name? I thought it was your set in stone policy, dumba$$.

By @@

April 15, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Glenn:

Just in case you dropped in on “Clayton Talk” today, they’ve listed various groups for contact purposes (i.e. school issues).

There’s only one that I can say, for certain, that you should avoid.

Clayton County Wide Homeowners Association

Their President is encamped if you know what I mean. Her meetings are by invitation only. If you have an invitation, but have aired views different from hers, your invitation is no longer valid.

She worked hard to recruit me on some zoning issues. It didn’t take me long to see where she was coming from.

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Speaking of getting humiliated, that second paragraph at 6:42 may be the lamest in some time.

Rather than adding nothing of worth to the topic, why don’t you go search for some more holes in the fossil record, riki retard?

Or maybe variations in the sun’s temperatures?

Or wobbles in the earth’s orbit?

Or a theory that replaces Darwin’s?

Or go campaigning for Hillary?

Or go find your other shemale dipst!ck Buy Donut?

(Uh oh, I think he’s gonna tattle on me!)

You, son are a real work of art…

By Glenn

April 15, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

If Barack would only apologize for his indefensible remarks concerning the church, the church (universal) will forgive him in a hearbeat just for the asking and for the love of God. I believe that Rev. Wright would have apologized by now, had he made the SF remarks.

By @@

April 15, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

I have one of many handy RW.

By Huge/AmVet

September 29, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

So the frustrated bigot missed me today. Awww, isn’t that cute! I wish the nauseating thing would find someone else to gush over.

Don’t you worry your hateful little mind, potty mouth. I’ll be back sometime next week to humiliate you and your moronic friends further.

What topic should I choose that will amuse us? Anything that requires a modicum of intelligence. Maybe evolution vs. the existence of jesus? (Wow, you looked like a big time major league fool last night!) Or perhaps your definition of conservatism, (textbook or otherwise, is fine). Maybe all those CNN and lib lies about global warming.

So much stupidity and vileness from the far right to be exposed and so little time!

Now, go lie to your children some more.

That was AmVet addressing Buy Danish, a woman.

Chickensh!t?

Who’s calling who yella’ here?

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Trs,

When a man says from his pulpit that getting 3000 people massacred five days earlier is just America’s chickens coming home to roost is as anti American as I need to hear. When he says the US government invented AIDS to wipe out the black population, that’s about all I need to hear too. Would you like to offer words that were spoken by Wright in direct context that mitigate those statements?

By AmVet

April 15, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

So now rickster changes positions yet again, and says Wright’s words are to be condemned!

What an “evolving’ mess.

Oops! looks like another “conservative” hero has turned slightly rational. Rickie’s flat-earth society in Norcross must be ready to start voting for Democrats!

BUSH TO PITCH CLIMATE CHANGE STRATEGY IN ROSE GARDEN SPEECH

And all this time I was told it was cow flatulence!

And @@, perhaps you’re as just confused sexually as you are politically

Take it up with BD.

(Uh oh, now I’ve got two of them that are going to tell on me!!!)

‘til the next slapdown…

By Glenn

April 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Thanks for thinking of it, @@. I’ve concluded that the AJC’s not the place to talk sense about educ. We’re preparing to demonstrate the approach in one of the worst schools and most dangerous neighborhoods in the Lower 48, and I’ll later offer it to Clayton via the faith leaders there, pending their approval. Aided unknowingly by the AJC Clayton is bent on lipsticking the pig.

By RW-(the original)

April 15, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

I know you aren’t very bright, but would you like to offer any post where I’ve said Wright’s words weren’t to be condemned? I’ll give you search tips if you need them.

This would be a lot more fun of any of you moonbat(ic)s® had a working brain cell to keep you focused.

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