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By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, April 10, 2008, 07:23 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

I’m pretty sure that I heard Obambi say 99 years but he was saying it in Code PinkoSpeak, so I could be wrong.

But I doubt it.

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{{{{PART OF WHAT MAY be fueling this strategy of lie-lie-and-lie again also may be the belief, well founded on years of experience, that the MSM rarely calls out a Democrat, a liberal one at that, for distorting a Republican’s words. Obambi and his advisers, who have grown accustomed to kid glove treatment from the MSM, certainly expected a different response, perhaps at best a “the sides differ on what he meant” conclusion, which would allow Obama to repeat his “100 year” distortion with impunity.}}}}

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One thing about a pinko, no matter how wrong they are or how foolish they look, they don’t ever give up:

{{{{Forecast: A major ‘08 hurricane likely- A season of 15 named storms may be coming because of the Atlantic’s >>>rising temperatures.<<<-Urinal}}}}

It’s a good thing that global cooling is back with us.

How many times does a lib have to be wrong before they desist?

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Code Pinko whined about the lawlessness of Sadr City in Iraq and now they whine because the Iraq Government is confronting the criminals, always a whine for every occasion, isn’t there?

{{{{Dozens killed in Sadr City- >>>Some Iraqis<<< say things are worse than when Hussein ruled as violence takes its toll.-Urinal}}}}

The “some Iraqis” that I talked to said the Atlanta Urinal sucks and that Jay Kookman is really wearing a skirt in his column photo.

But I can’t seem to remember their names……..

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Only in the Urinal:

{{{{American Airlines canceled more than 1,000 flights Wednesday-Urinal (Not included in any Urinal story: >>>Executives at American said safety was never compromised, and they suggested the nation’s biggest airline was the victim of suddenly stepped-up scrutiny by federal regulators.<<<}}}}

And then turn one page in the Urinal:

{{{{Airlines hear from Congress - Overall, fares have been lowered by deregulation, he said, but passenger dissatisfaction is growing almost hourly on issues such as flight delays and cancellations-Urinal}}}}

So the dimokrat Congressional Bureaucracy saddles the airlines with redundant regulations and then holds kangaroo courts over them as to why they cancel flights?

Want to know the truth?

{{{{“The impression in the press is that the airlines aren’t meeting high FAA standards,” says Clifford Winston, who follows the industry at the Brookings Institution. “But that’s ridiculous. It’s the airlines who teach the FAA about these aircraft and what has to be done to maintain them.”}}}}

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This is truly sick:

{{{{The Democratic Party’s protectionist make-over was completed yesterday, when Nancy Pelosi decided to kill the Colombia free trade agreement. Her objections had nothing to do with the evidence and everything to do with politics, but this was an act of particular bad faith. It will damage the economic and security interests of the U.S. while trashing our best ally in Latin America.}}}}

We could increase Colombia’s gross domestic product, strengthening an economic ally, therefore giving them incentive to decrease their illegal drug trade, or we could play goony dimokrat power quest politics and keep the crack flowing into American streets.

By jethro bodine

April 10, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Of course Crocker’s just so overjoyed he could spit. Bush and his bunch wants the US to be involved in Iraq as long as possible - how better to tap into that vast Iraqi oil revenue and to continue sucking dry the good ole USA. It’s a great day to be part of the military industrial complex. Yeeha!

By reebok

April 10, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

We can’t leave Iraq when things get better. We can’t leave Iraq when things get worse. We can’t leave Iraq, ever. But at least the oil revenues are paying for the reconstruction, so the Amercian taxpayers aren’t having to foot the bill. Heh. If you liked the Bush misadministration, you’ll love John “We’re Winning” McCain.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Petraeus’s Betrayal……General Betray Us? Of course he has. MoveOn.org can hardly be expected to recycle its slogan from last September, when Gen. David Petraeus testified in support of escalating the U.S. war in Iraq, given the hysterical denunciations that worthy group received at the time. But it was right then — as it would be to repeat the charge now………. Once again, the president is passing the buck to the uniformed military to justify continuing a ludicrous imperial adventure, and the good general has dutifully performed…… So why are we surprised? Why do we expect the generals to lead us on the path to peace when that is the professional task of statesmen and not warriors? It is an abdication of civilian control of the military, the basic principle of American constitutional governance, to assign a central role to an active-duty general to make the decision to end the war. It betrays the legacy warnings of our two most famous wartime generals, George Washington and Dwight D. Eisenhower……We have had many other examples of retired military officers asserting the need for informed and rational public decision-making as to matters of war and peace. Republican presidential candidate John McCain was one of those voices when, as a senator, he led the fight, along with fellow Vietnam War veteran John Kerry, to normalize relations with the same Communist leadership in Hanoi that had once been our enemy. Does anyone, McCain included, now think we were wrong to bring the troops home from Vietnam — and just why are the dire consequences that McCain now predicts for a withdrawal from Iraq any more plausible?

By Goldie

April 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

McBush will be overwhelmingly defeated in November!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Q: How do you get to 100 years in Iraq? A: Six months at a time.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

ABC Report: Bush’s ‘Principal’ Advisers OK’d Torture

By Lying Scumbag Liberal Defeatocraps Hate America (Mad As Zell)

April 10, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Mike Lucovitch let’s his true colors (left-wing commie red) shine thru with today’s below the belt and beyond the pale kartoon. Mike Lucovitch, Gay Bookman, Cynthia “AJC Jihad Cindy” Tucker and their slimebag, scumbag, douchebag treasonous cutthroat pro-Al-qadea left-wing defeatocrat moron sex partners in the USSR marxist movement want nothing more than to undermine the War on Terror and force a hurried pullout from Iraq for their own selfish anti-American political ends. Hmmm, “hurried pullout”…sorta sounds like Bill KKKlinton’s time in the White House, eh? Menstrating Defeatocrat bleeding scumbag traitors lose big behind BoRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA in November and get what they deserve…to get put in their place, in the political wilderness! Imagine, Hitlery KKKlinton and BoRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA as cellmates at Guantamino Bay! One can only dream.

By Copyleft

April 10, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

The generals are absolutely right: we shouldn’t leave Iraq until the mission is complete.

Fortunately, the mission IS complete. Saddam’s gone, any threat Iraq posed to us (i.e., NONE) no longer exists.

Mission Accomplished, gang. Time to pack up and ship out!

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Yeah, when it comes to distortions, no one can top that Batista/Peron/Noriega wannabee Andie….

The US push to train the new Iraqi Army is going so well that more than 1000 of them abandoned their posts and hoofed it rather than take on the militas in Basra earlier this month.

Must have been former members of Saddam’s “feared” Republican Guard.

Airport delays are the responsibility of both the airlines and the FAA. Neither wants unsafe planes to fly, for obvious reasons. But the real culprit is the record number of passengers, and the inability of airliners, traffic controllers and airline inspectors to handle the crush. I had to laugh when Atlanta boasted that it now had the busiest airport in the world, busier even than Chicago’s O’Hare.

That’s like bragging that you have the world’s largest sewage treatment plant.

Hurricane predictions? Gimmie a break. With the world’s biggest computers and zillions of weather satellites, forecasters aren’t much better than they were 50 years ago.

Why not just admit that global warming may be an issue worth studying, and while it may have something to do with humans, it may just be part of the cycle of warming and cooling that has affected the planet for millions of years?

Darn. I forgot. Luddites like you think Earth is only 6000 years old and that our ancestors hunted dinosaurs.

Maybe you prefer sticking your head in the sand because you’re afraid of the truth?

Thought so. Loser.

By drey

April 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Islamo-fanaticism is a spectrum of commitment to terror. There are moderates in the middle, who joined the Iraqi army and police, and there are both ends of the lunatic fringe: those who would never kill and those who are already blown to smithereens in a suicide bomb, allah be praised, whoever allah is.

The point is, can the USA ever trust the militia-infiltrated Iraqi army enough to withdraw ever? At some point, we’ll have to have faith that the army wont dissolve into factions as soon as we leave.

My point is that Iraq’s factions have had between a thousand and ten thousand years to stop talking to allah or stop bringing up the time the other guy keeled the innocents….etc.

That’s why I’ve been certain for five years now that we can never leave Iraq. I’m not encouraged or honored that many americans are finally realizing how perpicacious I am or what a total geo-political genius I am, because I’m actually a Reverse-Idiot Savant, that is, I’m a total genius in every possible subject known to man, except one, which they haven’t found yet, but which I suspect is osmosis, I mean, a membrane is supposedly penetrated spontaneously simply because it’s there? I dont think so. that’s impossible, I dont get it. how, why? What about absorption backwash and stuff? Where’s the math? Nobody’s ever showed me the math. Now I’m mad.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Little Ricky @ 8:29

and you sir are a Good German.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Five more U.S. soldiers die in Iraq (17 killed since Sunday)

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Hey, just to show that I’m even handed, I’ll give that petticoat flaunting Andie credit for two points.

McCain’s “100 year” comment has been widely and wildly distorted. As smarter people than any of us know, the US has maintained major positions in both Germany and Japan, former enemies, for more than 60 years with a minimum of problems.

This doesn’t mean I’ll vote for the guy. It just means I don’t like folks spreading falsehoods about him, or anyone.

And Pelosi is wrong to sink the Colombian trade agreement. Sorry, folks. Free trade is the future. If there’s one thing we should have learned from the disastrous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 (which made the Great Depression worse, not better), that’s it. In the great scheme of things, tariffs suck.

By the way, both Smoot and Hawley were Republican members of Congress.

By Conservative

April 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Goldie your funny, McBush will be overwhemly defeated in June, by who? Obamania that is slowly started to leak out his absent votes on all major issues, or his terrorist ties who fund his campaign. Or do actually think Billary can defeat McCain, hahahahahahaha I love it, I cant wait. Copyleft, so Iraq is no longer a threat to the US, so if we leavge and then it becomes a haven for terrosits is that a threat? Was it the Clintons who did not take action and ignore the threats of terroists while they were in office? You left wing nut jobs make me laugh, believe anything you see on the news and make up facts for your BS stories.

By anti-USA Liberal Scumbag Traitors Can Burn In Hell! (Mad As Zell)

April 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Yuck! What’s that overwhelming noxious rancid offensive eye, ear, nose and throat-burning foul odor? Why it must be IN THE (Hussein) OOZE on her period once again!

IT(h)O, that smell emanating from your vaginal area isn’t right, you really need to see a doctor about that, soon! With all those constant anti-American, pro-Osama Bin Laden posts, it’s no wonder that your “female area” is so rancid smelling. We’re all shocked that smell coming from your rancid bloody left-wing marxist panties haven’t landed you a night of left-wing lesbian love DefeatokkkRAT love with the Queen Facist herself, one Mr. Hitlery KKKlinton…IT’S A MAN BABY! At least when the Shrillderbeast straps it on so it can unmercifully and brutally screw the hell out of the American People, IN THE (Hussein) OOZE will know what it already feels like. One night IN THE (Hussein) OOZE with Slick Willie and Hitlery RATham KKKlinton!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:18

Asked and answered yesterday. Has to do with strategic national interests in southeast Asia 1960s-70s vs national interests in the Middle East.

At least they’re asking the right questions. Sure gets muddled, though, given their inability to separate the ideological rhetoric from the argument.

IThN 8:20

Cool! They gonna call for the removal of, say, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (west coast) ‘cause they’re the most overturned court, so they obviously don’t know the law?

Clue: lawyers give opinions, supported by the precedents that support their opinion. Some courts give split opinions - so the judges (lawyers) look at the same circumstances and give differing opinions. Maybe that’s why they’re called legal “opinions?”

Just more political activist lawyers. The Guild, not Congress -

IThN 8:23

That link was just plain pathetic. The comparison was not with the countries where America stations forces. It’s the concept of operations of a superpower. If you’d like, I’ll send you a link to comments by General McPeak, past top general for the USAF, who’s cochair on Obama’s election committee. That is, if understanding trumps ideology -

Y’know, there’s a pattern to your links. Tremendously concerned with the past - the “what happened.” Very, very little about the future - what is desired and how to get there. Not a very good reflection of uberliberal, partisan sites.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott April 10, 2008 8:36 AM Why not just admit that global warming may be an issue worth studying, and while it may have something to do with humans, >>>it may just be part of the cycle of warming and cooling that has affected the planet for millions of years?<<<}}}}

Bonnie: What do you think I’ve been saying from the very first day?

Hell, you’re on my side of the issue and you don’t even know it.

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Andy only answers to “duhng”, for some reason, I think it’s because he’s known Wooten for so long. You see, Wooten served in the Ga Guard for 20 years and in Nam too, 4 which he deserved much honor and respect, he’s the troops we all support, right or wrong.

However, Wooten picked up a posse along the way which include duhng and several other bloggers here who form some sort of sisterhood of the traveling panties round table discussion group.

They must miller-time together and reinforce their hatred of the real america that’s evolving before the whites of their skin and the whites of their priveleged eyes, (military reference). America must stain the blue collar nostagia for antebellum lost causes and genetically-based privelege that they hold so dearly in one hand and allah only knows what their doing with their other hand.

But we must never discourage duhng or wooten or their frilly-laced compadres, because post transvestite stress syndrom has a spectrum of symptoms, one of which is the foul abuse duhng and others are unable to contain 24/7 365. It’s like they see the enemy whenever real life closes in on them, or whenever they have one too many, or in duhng’s case, whenever they over-accesorize on a casual Friday.

I know about these things cause I minored in psych.

vogue!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Paul

Your opinion is always welcome.

By Mohammed

April 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Elect Obama!!!! LALALAALALALAALALA

By Paul

April 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

bon scott

I was waiting for Devastator, but since you brought it up (D - if you scan this, pls reply) -

I’m becoming disappointed in how Obama’s running his campaign. A great part of his initial attraction was his “new” style - openness, honesty, respectful tone. But this 100-year thing. Saying it a few times - give him a pass. But to continue after he’s aware of the quote and context - that’s playing to the crowd.

Rep conservative family values guys took major hits for saying one thing and doing another. It wasn’t an issue for Dems caught in “moral” imbroglios as it wasn’t a centerpiece of their platforms. It’s the same with Obama. He set a standard. Now he seems to be wilfully violating it.

Same with the Bush-Cheney-McCain link. It played well at the rally I attended. But there are many, many areas where McCain’s policies are opposite Bush’s. In fact, there are several areas where Obama’s votes are more in line with Bush than were McCains.

But - if Obama does not want to be held responsible for his association with Rev Wright (member of the congregation) how can he tar McCain for his “association” with Pres Bush (member of the same Party).

Then there’s the public financing pledge. Obama’s explanation that he won’t opt for public funding because his Internet-based fundraising is really the public financing his campaign, so it’s a parallel public funding track, is so… political.

As I said, I’m getting a tad disillusioned. Everything new is old again.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

don’t feed the Zell troll…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

McCain breaks law by breaking spending limits

that’s a deal breaker…..

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

The problem with comparing Obama to Tiger Woods

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

There’s a new book out about Custer, who is related to Obama, btw. Actually Custer is also related to McCain. Now Custer wanted 2B prez, which is why he went in so deep into the killing zone and got massacred. He thought the Indians would scatter and some of them indeed did, but his objective was the white house, not the indian village.

Anyway, Custer needed a victory, because like McCain, his military record was scarred when he was found solely responible for setting fire to and sinking the USS Monitor, our newest and most technologically advanced warship.

‘muff said

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Well, Luckovich has let his children draw his cartoon AGAIN. I’ve seen grammar school buletin boards with better drawings.

And these are supposed to be General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker!!

These two leading Americans working in Iraq were totally VILIFIED BY DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. General Petreus was treated like he was a boy scout on a camping trip and couldn’t rub two sticks together. Our most successful General who has led the SUCCESSFUL Surge was insulted by “two bit” senators who claim to “support the troops”. These were not questions for information. They were INSULTS, pure and simple.

Ambassador Crocker was treated like a fortune teller who could read tea leaves. Our liberal senators asked hypothetical questions and expected definitive answers. BRAINLESS DEMOCRATS!! Hear these types of stupefying senators: What cha gonna do when some president(?) wants to pull ALL troops? What day and what time are we gonna leave Iraq? Our “folks” at home are “tired” and YOU ought to tell us when you are going to STOP fighting (with great sighs of angst)!!

America was totally disgraced by the treatment of these two honorable men serving our country. Some (even dumber Dems like here)want to say “Impeach Bush!”

If you want to rid this country of “political plague” then indict your own Dem and DIMs in Congress. Do it before they turn our country over to Osama bin laden on a silver platter.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

{{{{It is politically incorrect to say so, but an oil well in Alaska might cause less damage to the world environment, less strain on our own food supply and more savings to poorer American consumers than most of the present alternatives.}}}}

I guess it is too easy for the libs to understand.

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Dusty, edit, edit, and edit.

Cartoon: It’s amazing how luckovich captured the soul of that general.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Hey, dusty, Republican’s ask just as tough questions too.

Does that make them anti-american too?

Your arguments are weak.

Examples:

– Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH): “The American people have had it up to here” with the war. The U.S. should tell its allies in the Middle East: “Hey guys, we’re on our way out.”

– Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE): “What are we doing? I don’t see Secretary Rice doing any Kissinger-esque flying around. Where is the diplomatic surge?”

– Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN): “Simply appealing for more time to make progress is insufficient.”

– Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN): “I’m looking for an articulation as to how we get to the end” […] “We’re at a point in the conflict where an articulation of the endgame needs to be made.”

– Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME):”We’re continuing to pay for the training and equipping of Iraqi forces. I’m told that we’re even continuing to pay for fuel within Iraq. Isn’t it time for the Iraqis to start bearing more of those expenses?”

– Sen. John Warner (R-VA): “Is all this sacrifice bringing about a more secure America?”

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Oh boy! The Chimperor is going on TV at 11:30 a.m. today (Gosh, won’t most Americans be at work then?) to lie, obfuscate and prevaricate about his WAR FOR OIL!!

Should be a laugh riot!!

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Republicans know Bush’s Oil War is lost!!

Some are actually trying to be on the correct side of history - a little late to the party - but at least they showed up!!

Now, they need to start voting with the majority to end Bush’s War!!

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

ITN at 9:17,

If we had a million troops in Iraq, would the “security situation” be “better”?

Sure.

Yet one of the countless things that these chickenhawks and fake conservatives aren’t smart enough to understand is that it doesn’t make a tinker’s damn bit of difference, because the misnamed and maladroit Iraqi government is likely never going to get their collective shiite together.

Does anyone really believe that in five years a truly functional democratic government will have more than the slimmest toe hold?

Ten? Twenty? Fifty?

Why, when they have an extremely expensive police force they are not even paying for.

What’s the rush?

By Jesus

April 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

AmVet

My usual soap box - what has this Rep Administration, this Dem Congress, or any candidate proposed to make us independent of ME oil? “Increased funding for alternate energy” isn’t it.

Truthman

If the Iraq war’s about oil, some must think oil is pretty important to our economy. If we withdraw and circumstances develop that the price, say, doubles or triples - any thoughts on what we do then?

AmVet

Re Oliver Stone - initially you came across last night that he should be taken seriously. Punked! I really enjoyed him in one of my fav movies - Dave - when some began to suspect that the Pres was not the Pres, but an impostor. They had him interviewed on a news show, looking the same as ever, very, very seriously laying out his case for a conspiracy -

By Greg

April 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Dustmite: What “buletin” board did you learn from?

Remember to watch BushDrunk at 11:30.

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Yes, Woot,

We do have some Republican rhinos who worry more about their reelection than about their country. Or else, like Democrats, they are not too smart.

I can ask a bunch of hypothetical questions and expect someone to tell me the absolutely correct answer. These are grown men and women and I expect them to act like adults.

Why don’t you ask dumb things like: When and what am I going to do when I have an auto accident? What about when lightning strikes my home? When are interest rates on CDs gonna rise so I can invest better?

As our general and ambassador tried to tell Congress, circumstances change many times and you cannot answer hypothetical questions until you can assess them from actual facts OF THE TIME.

Do you not get that? Do you want our leading and most successful General treated like “dirt”? Our Ambassador treated like he is on “Truth or Consequences”?

That is rediculous. I like Americans acting like Americans. You do not “support the troops” by insulting the General who is leading them. You also DO NOT SUPPORT THE COUNTRY. Hurry up and wake up!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Report: White House Directly Involved In Torture Decisions

seems Lindy wasn’t all on her own….

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

SUPPORT THE TROOPS INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING BUSH’S WAR IN IRAQ.

WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that President Bush’s successor will have to come to grips with the reality that the United States cannot continue to keep such large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Without taking sides in the race for the White House, Powell said, “Whichever one of them becomes president on Jan. 1, 2009, they will face a military force that cannot continue to sustain 140,000 people deployed in Iraq and the 20 (thousand) odd or 25,000 people we have deployed in Afghanistan and our other deployments.”

By jethro bodine

April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

If y’all think we’re gettin’ anywhere with this stinkin’ war, y’all are just nuts. The wheel come off of Bush’s wagon the minute he left the startin’ gate. The fool is just an incompetent clown, and anything he sets his mind to just ends up a complete failure. I wonder why so many Americans hitched their wagons to this hell bound train? They is just a stupid as he is.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Treated like dirt?

To quote Harry Truman -

If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Can’t let the widdle general and ambassador boys get their feelings hurt.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dusty

It has been noted Congressional questioners were remarkably light on “benchmark” questions - probably because to question Gen Petraeus or Amb Crocker on them would have not made the political points they were seeking. Instead, the focus shifted on how much the war costs, who’s paying what, how much each should pay, etc etc.

So we’ve gone from “lied” to “defeat” to “set up benchmarks” to “whoa! Hey, this war stuff is expensive!”

I do think the drain on our resources has been pretty bad. My point was how - what’s the word - opportunistic? - each new objection as an overall objection for the war, seems.

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Even the incredibly heavily fortified Green Zone is becoming a killing ground.

RIP Colonel Scott.

ST. LOUIS — In correspondence from Iraq’s fortified Green Zone, Col. Stephen Scott had always insisted to relatives that he was safe. But recently, family members noticed a surge in violence had him worried.

“You could tell in his voice that he was telling us he was safe, but he wasn’t really believing it in the last three weeks,” his sister, Kathleen King said.

Scott, who had ties to St. Louis, died Sunday during a mortar attack on facilities inside the protected Green Zone in Baghdad, which houses the U.S. Embassy. Only the ninth soldier of his rank to have been killed in the Iraq war, he is one of the conflict’s highest-ranking casualties.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

AmVet 10:29

After he said we cannont continue to deploy in such numbers, Gen Powell should have added “as our military is presently constituted, organized and based.”

By Ray

April 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

The war is all about oil. It always has been. Just see how many politicos get elected when soccer moms in their GMC Yukons have to stand in line for gas for over 30 min. Most of them don’t mind spending $4.00 or more/gallon for gas, just give it to me when I want it so my life style doesn’t change and I am not “inconvenienced”. We are a spoiled America and must wake up soon to the reality that Arab petroleum is an ax above the head of every American. I haven’t seen one candidate who has a good alternate energy proposal. Just increasing gas mileage to 50mi/gal would put the Arabs in a tailspin and bring us much closer to our goal on energy independence. Have you seen the pictures of Dubai lately and seen what our energy dollars are buying?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Paul

I’m sure General Powell appreciates your opinion also.

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Amvet,

I am sure you are really really surprised that soldiers are killed during war time. Let’s make a big deal of it like it has never happened before. Four thousand plus troops in five years is the lowest death figure ever listed before in war (except for the first short engagement in Iraq.

I do not want any deaths. But I do want America to keep the freedom we so love. The soldiers who gave their lives did it for our country and I WILL NOT DISGRACE THEM by acting like a coward and complainer. You should try it sometime. Your son is doing his part RIGHT NOW.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Getting ready for the third wave of financial panic

Anybody else see Robert Reich use the “D” word on CNN this morning?

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

IThN

General Powell is a smart, honorable man. But he is career Army, spent most of his career in what are essentially political-advisory posts (White House Fellow as a major, punched his ticket with a battalion as a colonel in Korea, then back to the White House. Then more education, promotion to general, plum posting as Commander, 101st Airborne, then onto more Washingon jobs).

Point is, his path is not all that unusual for those who rise to that status, and most of those do not tinker with the fundamental structure of their individual service, let alone propose massive restructuring of other services.

General McPeak, aforementioned on Obama’s campaign committee, is a notable exception.

So glad the opinion can broaden your understanding.

:-)

By Ray

April 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Wake up America. We will go war again in the Middle East if our oil supply is threatened, no matter who is president. Petroleum is the life blood of American business, the economy and our future. Unless we score some alternate source of energy, we will be forced to sacrifice more Americans to keep it flowing and the politicians re-elected. All we seem to be good at is calling each other names. Don’t you see that it doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you are on, this reality is written in stone and will not change until we get some real leadership.

By C.I. Toldja

April 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Note to all you brain-dead left-leaning weenies: Please explain the ice age that happened 10,000 years ago. Naw, couldn’t be Mother Nature taking control of climatic changes (LL Weenies don’t believe in God, ergo no Mother Nature). There MAY BE global warming but it has less to do with mankind than a natural solar phenomenon. Scream and holler all you want, and wet your pants,weenies, ‘cause intelligent people won’t listen to you!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

The GOP, a casualty of war

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks for your opinion of my understanding.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

IThN 10:53

Now that’s just plain wrong. He never said “such as the one that Bush launched against Iraq.” His words (from Reuters) were:

‘When asked at a town hall meeting about the Bush policy on preemption, McCain said: “I don’t think you can make a blanket statement about preemptive war because obviously it depends on the threat that the United States of America faces.”

‘McCain said the U.S. president should consult more closely with members of Congress so that the branches of government could act together if a threat were imminent.

“In normal times as you see a looming threat … I think you need to consult more closely and more carefully not with every member of Congress but certainly the leaders of Congress.” (Reporting by Jeff Mason, additional reporting by Steve Holland, editing by Alan Elsner)’

McCain was reflecting US doctrine that has been in place for decades. See what happens when you go to a lalalandleft web site for their interpretation instead of to a source report?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Paul

As you said yesterday….

“Don’tcha just love all these generals who get religion AFTER they’ve gotten their last star and retired?”

By @@

April 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I watched Randy Pausch’s “Last Lecture” on T.V. last night? Professor Pausch’s philosophy on life can serve as a great example to all.

He reflected back on a football coach in Middle School. The coach had given young Randy a really hard time at practice one day, so much so that an assistant coach approached Randy after practice saying, “Coach really rode you hard today - that’s good.”

Randy replied “Good - how’s that good?”

The assistant coach responded “That means he hasn’t given up on you - he cares.” “You’re worth his trouble.”

An excerpt from Randy’s lecture.

(((-Brick walls are there for a reason. They are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. The brick walls are there to stop people who don’t want it badly enough.)))

Professor Pausch also said that if he could give people three words to live by they would be….

“Tell the truth”, if he could add three more they would be “All the time”.

That’s what I want from my political leaders.

Even when the truth is hard to hear.

It shows respect for the listener.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

5 Ways the G.O.P. Can Keep Dems Out of the White House in 2009

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Paul

DOES this

“I don’t think you can make a blanket statement about preemptive war because obviously it depends on the threat that the United States of America faces.”

NOT MEAN

he won’t rule it out?

By getalife

April 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Here are the war criminals

Where are the demands for their resignations and trials?

By w00t

April 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Dusty, unfortunately it is the American way to ask questions, especially the tough ones. It’s also the only way to get to the truth.

You would rather entrust blind faith to the president and his administration that has gotten nearly everything wrong time and time again since the start of the war. They refuse to give us any answers, and that we will be there until we’re no longer needed. What sets those conditions? All they can answer back is, the conditions are met when the conditions are met. Talk about circular logic.

All Iraq has been used for is a means to justify staying in the Middle East. If it isn’t WMD’s, it was Saddam, then it was AQI, then it was Sadar, now it’s Iran. There is no end in site. There are no conditions that set for victory and our draw down. It is an open-ended commitment. A open-ended commitment for more lives, more disabled veterans, and more wasted tax dollars that we don’t have.

By Lunatic Fringe

April 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Definition of double standard:

Cobb County commissioner Annette Kesting says “I love my enemies. I pray every day with my enemies because I have to go up on the third floor and work with white women.”

If a white woman said this Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP would still be here grandstanding for the media demanding her resignation. Why is it racial ONLY when it is a white person saying it?

By Paul

April 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

ITnH

My impression is Powell resisted many of those in the Bush administration on the march to war - particularly those in Defense and other advisors. But the cards and the bureaucracy were stacked against him. But he did it within the constraints of the system, according to the protocol of precedent. Then he left. There are similarities with how the senior USAF general resigned during the Clinton Administration.

Powell hasn’t gone public with book deals and tv shows and political involvement like so many other retired generals have done - none of that “ooh, ooh, I was a major player and things went down the toilet but I was a really, really good guy but the just wouldn’t listen to me….”

The guy has class.

your 11:14

Haven’t we been over this before? I don’t see how any President can. Back up a few years. 1939 with 2008 intelligence capabilities. US knows the Japanese task force is sailing for Pearl to conduct an attack.

If we strike any Japanese aircraft before the bombs drop, that’s preemption. That’s about the simplest illustration I can give.

By N-GA

April 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

I agree, you are NUTS as Zell!

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Andie petticoat, you are SUCH a revisionist!

“By AJC Management - April 10, 2008 9:04 AM - Bonnie: What do you think I’ve been saying from the very first day (about global warming)?”

One thing you have NOT done is call for more studies on whether there is global warming, and what (if any) part humans are responsible for.

Your whole sctick has been to dismiss global warming as a myth, not worthy of so much as a dime’s worth of studying.

You define duplicitous. You should be ashamed. But you’re probably not.

Ah, forget the whole global warming thing. The Iraq war, too. Despite recent red flags like the collapse of Bear Stearns, the economy is still humming!

Not.

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Thursday that the U.S. economy had “turned down sharply” and still faced risks from the housing and finance sectors.”

And then there’s…

“Chicago Sun-Times - A new poll finds the majority of the middle class feel they either haven’t moved forward or have fallen backward in their lives in the last five years — the worst showing of short-term personal progress in nearly 50 years, the Pew Research Center said Wednesday”

I’m just waiting for a candidate… ANY candidate to ask that famous Reagan question: “Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?”

Or the past 8 years? It’s no wonder that if, even in his own mind he’s the best, President Bush will go down as our worst President in at least 70 years.

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

{{{{C.I. Toldja}}}} @10:59

By intelligent people are you referring to the representatives of 163 countries that just met in Thailand to address the issue of man-induced climate change?

163??? Even by neo-con math that’s a lot!

And guess who wasn’t there? Yep, you flat-earthers.

Didn’t you have a conference of your own recently where 15 scientists showed?

Or perhaps by intelligent people you mean the dozens of long-standing, highly credible organizations such as:

World Meteorological Organization

NOAA

National Geographic Society

U.S. Department of Energy - Environmental Sciences Division

Environmental Protection Agency

World Health Organization

NASA

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

National Climatic Data Center

Maybe you have a list of your own “experts” you can provide?

But be prepared for some SERIOUS laughing!

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

That’s not fair, Amvet. Global Warming has not hurt any of us yet. There’s no damage to earth. Air? Clean. Temps? Nice. Floods? Dont make me laugh. Tornados and hurricanes. I’ll show them who’s king of the forest. Elephants? I’d wrap ‘em up in cellophant!

The point is all the data that Gore points to is evidence for what COULD happen in the next 1000 years or so.

There simply isn’t any dead canary yet. Point Duhng. Well argued, sir, even if your panties did get in a bunch. (Try steaming them)

By @@

April 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Heck, everybody knows that eating causes gas, so let these people die of starvation and then we’ll recycle them.

“These days the farms have been put to biofuel production, creating a shortage of food and therefore creating a problem of high prices,” said Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete, the Tanzanian President and head of the African Union.

With shortages and high prices set to continue for the foreseeable future, the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) warned food riots which have struck several impoverished countries in recent weeks could spread.

(((He said he was advising governments to invest in irrigation, storage facilities and rural infrastructure and increase productivity to meet the challenge of food scarcity.)))

If environmentalists considered people as valuable, they’d be advising the same thing.

Since they’re the ones who advocate population control, maybe this’ll work out for them.

If only solutions were as simple as the left believes them to be…..

By Just Saying

April 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

You go, Babe! Love you, love your satire.

You nail your subject matter cleanly - as well as Jennifer Saunders skewered the fashion industry in “Absolutely Fabulous.”

Can’t you guys see she’s yanking your chain?

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Funny, funny stuff, @@! You’re writing has improved geometrically lately. You use humor well.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott April 10, 2008 11:34 AM One thing you have NOT done is call for more studies on whether there is global warming, and what (if any) part humans are responsible for.}}}}

bonnie: Nonsense. Anyone here knows that I said many times that we should study solar activity, seeing how it coincides exactly with warming and cooling periods of the Earth’s climate.

“Study,” as you libs define it, consists of praying that the general public doesn’t ever realize that it is chemically impossible for CO2 to have anymore than the most infinitesimal effect on heat trapping atmospheric gases.

And besides, why study warming when the temperatures are clearly falling?

Know what I mean?

By Stevie B

April 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

McCain clarified this statement almost as soon as he said it. Only lame partisans like Luckovich keep using it as a line of attack.

It’s fine to dislike a candidate’s policies, but at least criticize his true policies, instead of willfully distorting off the cuff and out of context statements and claiming that those are his policies. Of course, distorting the truth is what Luckovich does every day and the trained seals on this blog applaud such intellectual honesty as expected.

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Well said, hear hear, Duhng!! You’ve not only destroyed the commie-lovin’ castro-fondling liberal piece of alqueda-wannabe trash’s argument, but you’ve nearly eradicated any remnants of self esteem he managed to get past your last flame. He had it comin’

When one considers Your science, your data, and your extrapolations, what can one say but, “Duhng!”

Makeup

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Just to set the record straight, Colin Powell was the commander of U.S. Army Forces Command in 1989. I know because I worked for him there. Forces Command is responsible for the readiness and mobilization of all Active Army forces in the continental U.S. (CONUS), P.R. and the V.I.

It is hardly a staff position considering our biggest power projection platforms - Bragg, Campbell, Hood, Lewis - all fall under Forces Command’s Command and Control (C2).

I don’t dislike McClueless, Most of us just don’t believe he is mentally stable enough to be president.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

{{{“Study,” as you libs define it, consists of praying that the general public doesn’t ever realize that it is chemically impossible for CO2 to have anymore than the most infinitesimal effect on heat trapping atmospheric gases.}}}

LOL, man that is some funny sheot.

let me remind you: “Despite its relatively small concentration overall in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth’s atmosphere because it absorbs infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.”

Why do you have such blind faith in your stupidity, Andy?

By Just Saying

April 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

“Most of us just don’t believe he is mentally stable enough to be president.”

Amen.

After eight years of dry drunk (or not-so-dry drunk) behavior, the last thing we need is a rage-oholic making a further mess of things.

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Does it matter what McCain said? Americans dont want this war and want to leave it. When they finally realize that Bush has us trapped there forever I’m telling you, there is going to be a revolution or a backlash against all entrenched old ways of doing biz in DC.

I just cut my finger on a can, and if I was OJ and this were 1994, everyone would think I done kilt Nicole. Maybe OJ is innocent!!!!

and there’s no evidence for global warming

And duhng isn’t a pantywaste.

‘muff spread

By WTF?

April 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

but he’s mentally stable enough to vote like a dem? it’s the libs one issue mental illness that sinks them every time.

By Bosch

April 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

w00t,

“All Iraq has been used for is a means to justify staying in the Middle East. If it isn’t WMD’s, it was Saddam, then it was AQI, then it was Sadar, now it’s Iran. There is no end in site. There are no conditions that set for victory and our draw down. It is an open-ended commitment. A open-ended commitment for more lives, more disabled veterans, and more wasted tax dollars that we don’t have”

I agree. I’m well aware that objectives change as t