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Testimony

By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, April 10, 2008, 07:23 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

I’m pretty sure that I heard Obambi say 99 years but he was saying it in Code PinkoSpeak, so I could be wrong.

But I doubt it.

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{{{{PART OF WHAT MAY be fueling this strategy of lie-lie-and-lie again also may be the belief, well founded on years of experience, that the MSM rarely calls out a Democrat, a liberal one at that, for distorting a Republican’s words. Obambi and his advisers, who have grown accustomed to kid glove treatment from the MSM, certainly expected a different response, perhaps at best a “the sides differ on what he meant” conclusion, which would allow Obama to repeat his “100 year” distortion with impunity.}}}}

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One thing about a pinko, no matter how wrong they are or how foolish they look, they don’t ever give up:

{{{{Forecast: A major ‘08 hurricane likely- A season of 15 named storms may be coming because of the Atlantic’s >>>rising temperatures.<<<-Urinal}}}}

It’s a good thing that global cooling is back with us.

How many times does a lib have to be wrong before they desist?

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Code Pinko whined about the lawlessness of Sadr City in Iraq and now they whine because the Iraq Government is confronting the criminals, always a whine for every occasion, isn’t there?

{{{{Dozens killed in Sadr City- >>>Some Iraqis<<< say things are worse than when Hussein ruled as violence takes its toll.-Urinal}}}}

The “some Iraqis” that I talked to said the Atlanta Urinal sucks and that Jay Kookman is really wearing a skirt in his column photo.

But I can’t seem to remember their names……..

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Only in the Urinal:

{{{{American Airlines canceled more than 1,000 flights Wednesday-Urinal (Not included in any Urinal story: >>>Executives at American said safety was never compromised, and they suggested the nation’s biggest airline was the victim of suddenly stepped-up scrutiny by federal regulators.<<<}}}}

And then turn one page in the Urinal:

{{{{Airlines hear from Congress - Overall, fares have been lowered by deregulation, he said, but passenger dissatisfaction is growing almost hourly on issues such as flight delays and cancellations-Urinal}}}}

So the dimokrat Congressional Bureaucracy saddles the airlines with redundant regulations and then holds kangaroo courts over them as to why they cancel flights?

Want to know the truth?

{{{{“The impression in the press is that the airlines aren’t meeting high FAA standards,” says Clifford Winston, who follows the industry at the Brookings Institution. “But that’s ridiculous. It’s the airlines who teach the FAA about these aircraft and what has to be done to maintain them.”}}}}

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This is truly sick:

{{{{The Democratic Party’s protectionist make-over was completed yesterday, when Nancy Pelosi decided to kill the Colombia free trade agreement. Her objections had nothing to do with the evidence and everything to do with politics, but this was an act of particular bad faith. It will damage the economic and security interests of the U.S. while trashing our best ally in Latin America.}}}}

We could increase Colombia’s gross domestic product, strengthening an economic ally, therefore giving them incentive to decrease their illegal drug trade, or we could play goony dimokrat power quest politics and keep the crack flowing into American streets.

By jethro bodine

April 10, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Of course Crocker’s just so overjoyed he could spit. Bush and his bunch wants the US to be involved in Iraq as long as possible - how better to tap into that vast Iraqi oil revenue and to continue sucking dry the good ole USA. It’s a great day to be part of the military industrial complex. Yeeha!

By reebok

April 10, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

We can’t leave Iraq when things get better. We can’t leave Iraq when things get worse. We can’t leave Iraq, ever. But at least the oil revenues are paying for the reconstruction, so the Amercian taxpayers aren’t having to foot the bill. Heh. If you liked the Bush misadministration, you’ll love John “We’re Winning” McCain.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Petraeus’s Betrayal……General Betray Us? Of course he has. MoveOn.org can hardly be expected to recycle its slogan from last September, when Gen. David Petraeus testified in support of escalating the U.S. war in Iraq, given the hysterical denunciations that worthy group received at the time. But it was right then — as it would be to repeat the charge now………. Once again, the president is passing the buck to the uniformed military to justify continuing a ludicrous imperial adventure, and the good general has dutifully performed…… So why are we surprised? Why do we expect the generals to lead us on the path to peace when that is the professional task of statesmen and not warriors? It is an abdication of civilian control of the military, the basic principle of American constitutional governance, to assign a central role to an active-duty general to make the decision to end the war. It betrays the legacy warnings of our two most famous wartime generals, George Washington and Dwight D. Eisenhower……We have had many other examples of retired military officers asserting the need for informed and rational public decision-making as to matters of war and peace. Republican presidential candidate John McCain was one of those voices when, as a senator, he led the fight, along with fellow Vietnam War veteran John Kerry, to normalize relations with the same Communist leadership in Hanoi that had once been our enemy. Does anyone, McCain included, now think we were wrong to bring the troops home from Vietnam — and just why are the dire consequences that McCain now predicts for a withdrawal from Iraq any more plausible?

By Goldie

April 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

McBush will be overwhelmingly defeated in November!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Q: How do you get to 100 years in Iraq? A: Six months at a time.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

ABC Report: Bush’s ‘Principal’ Advisers OK’d Torture

By Lying Scumbag Liberal Defeatocraps Hate America (Mad As Zell)

April 10, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Mike Lucovitch let’s his true colors (left-wing commie red) shine thru with today’s below the belt and beyond the pale kartoon. Mike Lucovitch, Gay Bookman, Cynthia “AJC Jihad Cindy” Tucker and their slimebag, scumbag, douchebag treasonous cutthroat pro-Al-qadea left-wing defeatocrat moron sex partners in the USSR marxist movement want nothing more than to undermine the War on Terror and force a hurried pullout from Iraq for their own selfish anti-American political ends. Hmmm, “hurried pullout”…sorta sounds like Bill KKKlinton’s time in the White House, eh? Menstrating Defeatocrat bleeding scumbag traitors lose big behind BoRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA in November and get what they deserve…to get put in their place, in the political wilderness! Imagine, Hitlery KKKlinton and BoRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA as cellmates at Guantamino Bay! One can only dream.

By Copyleft

April 10, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

The generals are absolutely right: we shouldn’t leave Iraq until the mission is complete.

Fortunately, the mission IS complete. Saddam’s gone, any threat Iraq posed to us (i.e., NONE) no longer exists.

Mission Accomplished, gang. Time to pack up and ship out!

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Yeah, when it comes to distortions, no one can top that Batista/Peron/Noriega wannabee Andie….

The US push to train the new Iraqi Army is going so well that more than 1000 of them abandoned their posts and hoofed it rather than take on the militas in Basra earlier this month.

Must have been former members of Saddam’s “feared” Republican Guard.

Airport delays are the responsibility of both the airlines and the FAA. Neither wants unsafe planes to fly, for obvious reasons. But the real culprit is the record number of passengers, and the inability of airliners, traffic controllers and airline inspectors to handle the crush. I had to laugh when Atlanta boasted that it now had the busiest airport in the world, busier even than Chicago’s O’Hare.

That’s like bragging that you have the world’s largest sewage treatment plant.

Hurricane predictions? Gimmie a break. With the world’s biggest computers and zillions of weather satellites, forecasters aren’t much better than they were 50 years ago.

Why not just admit that global warming may be an issue worth studying, and while it may have something to do with humans, it may just be part of the cycle of warming and cooling that has affected the planet for millions of years?

Darn. I forgot. Luddites like you think Earth is only 6000 years old and that our ancestors hunted dinosaurs.

Maybe you prefer sticking your head in the sand because you’re afraid of the truth?

Thought so. Loser.

By drey

April 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Islamo-fanaticism is a spectrum of commitment to terror. There are moderates in the middle, who joined the Iraqi army and police, and there are both ends of the lunatic fringe: those who would never kill and those who are already blown to smithereens in a suicide bomb, allah be praised, whoever allah is.

The point is, can the USA ever trust the militia-infiltrated Iraqi army enough to withdraw ever? At some point, we’ll have to have faith that the army wont dissolve into factions as soon as we leave.

My point is that Iraq’s factions have had between a thousand and ten thousand years to stop talking to allah or stop bringing up the time the other guy keeled the innocents….etc.

That’s why I’ve been certain for five years now that we can never leave Iraq. I’m not encouraged or honored that many americans are finally realizing how perpicacious I am or what a total geo-political genius I am, because I’m actually a Reverse-Idiot Savant, that is, I’m a total genius in every possible subject known to man, except one, which they haven’t found yet, but which I suspect is osmosis, I mean, a membrane is supposedly penetrated spontaneously simply because it’s there? I dont think so. that’s impossible, I dont get it. how, why? What about absorption backwash and stuff? Where’s the math? Nobody’s ever showed me the math. Now I’m mad.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Little Ricky @ 8:29

and you sir are a Good German.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Five more U.S. soldiers die in Iraq (17 killed since Sunday)

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Hey, just to show that I’m even handed, I’ll give that petticoat flaunting Andie credit for two points.

McCain’s “100 year” comment has been widely and wildly distorted. As smarter people than any of us know, the US has maintained major positions in both Germany and Japan, former enemies, for more than 60 years with a minimum of problems.

This doesn’t mean I’ll vote for the guy. It just means I don’t like folks spreading falsehoods about him, or anyone.

And Pelosi is wrong to sink the Colombian trade agreement. Sorry, folks. Free trade is the future. If there’s one thing we should have learned from the disastrous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 (which made the Great Depression worse, not better), that’s it. In the great scheme of things, tariffs suck.

By the way, both Smoot and Hawley were Republican members of Congress.

By Conservative

April 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Goldie your funny, McBush will be overwhemly defeated in June, by who? Obamania that is slowly started to leak out his absent votes on all major issues, or his terrorist ties who fund his campaign. Or do actually think Billary can defeat McCain, hahahahahahaha I love it, I cant wait. Copyleft, so Iraq is no longer a threat to the US, so if we leavge and then it becomes a haven for terrosits is that a threat? Was it the Clintons who did not take action and ignore the threats of terroists while they were in office? You left wing nut jobs make me laugh, believe anything you see on the news and make up facts for your BS stories.

By anti-USA Liberal Scumbag Traitors Can Burn In Hell! (Mad As Zell)

April 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Yuck! What’s that overwhelming noxious rancid offensive eye, ear, nose and throat-burning foul odor? Why it must be IN THE (Hussein) OOZE on her period once again!

IT(h)O, that smell emanating from your vaginal area isn’t right, you really need to see a doctor about that, soon! With all those constant anti-American, pro-Osama Bin Laden posts, it’s no wonder that your “female area” is so rancid smelling. We’re all shocked that smell coming from your rancid bloody left-wing marxist panties haven’t landed you a night of left-wing lesbian love DefeatokkkRAT love with the Queen Facist herself, one Mr. Hitlery KKKlinton…IT’S A MAN BABY! At least when the Shrillderbeast straps it on so it can unmercifully and brutally screw the hell out of the American People, IN THE (Hussein) OOZE will know what it already feels like. One night IN THE (Hussein) OOZE with Slick Willie and Hitlery RATham KKKlinton!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:18

Asked and answered yesterday. Has to do with strategic national interests in southeast Asia 1960s-70s vs national interests in the Middle East.

At least they’re asking the right questions. Sure gets muddled, though, given their inability to separate the ideological rhetoric from the argument.

IThN 8:20

Cool! They gonna call for the removal of, say, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (west coast) ‘cause they’re the most overturned court, so they obviously don’t know the law?

Clue: lawyers give opinions, supported by the precedents that support their opinion. Some courts give split opinions - so the judges (lawyers) look at the same circumstances and give differing opinions. Maybe that’s why they’re called legal “opinions?”

Just more political activist lawyers. The Guild, not Congress -

IThN 8:23

That link was just plain pathetic. The comparison was not with the countries where America stations forces. It’s the concept of operations of a superpower. If you’d like, I’ll send you a link to comments by General McPeak, past top general for the USAF, who’s cochair on Obama’s election committee. That is, if understanding trumps ideology -

Y’know, there’s a pattern to your links. Tremendously concerned with the past - the “what happened.” Very, very little about the future - what is desired and how to get there. Not a very good reflection of uberliberal, partisan sites.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott April 10, 2008 8:36 AM Why not just admit that global warming may be an issue worth studying, and while it may have something to do with humans, >>>it may just be part of the cycle of warming and cooling that has affected the planet for millions of years?<<<}}}}

Bonnie: What do you think I’ve been saying from the very first day?

Hell, you’re on my side of the issue and you don’t even know it.

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Andy only answers to “duhng”, for some reason, I think it’s because he’s known Wooten for so long. You see, Wooten served in the Ga Guard for 20 years and in Nam too, 4 which he deserved much honor and respect, he’s the troops we all support, right or wrong.

However, Wooten picked up a posse along the way which include duhng and several other bloggers here who form some sort of sisterhood of the traveling panties round table discussion group.

They must miller-time together and reinforce their hatred of the real america that’s evolving before the whites of their skin and the whites of their priveleged eyes, (military reference). America must stain the blue collar nostagia for antebellum lost causes and genetically-based privelege that they hold so dearly in one hand and allah only knows what their doing with their other hand.

But we must never discourage duhng or wooten or their frilly-laced compadres, because post transvestite stress syndrom has a spectrum of symptoms, one of which is the foul abuse duhng and others are unable to contain 24/7 365. It’s like they see the enemy whenever real life closes in on them, or whenever they have one too many, or in duhng’s case, whenever they over-accesorize on a casual Friday.

I know about these things cause I minored in psych.

vogue!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Paul

Your opinion is always welcome.

By Mohammed

April 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Elect Obama!!!! LALALAALALALAALALA

By Paul

April 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

bon scott

I was waiting for Devastator, but since you brought it up (D - if you scan this, pls reply) -

I’m becoming disappointed in how Obama’s running his campaign. A great part of his initial attraction was his “new” style - openness, honesty, respectful tone. But this 100-year thing. Saying it a few times - give him a pass. But to continue after he’s aware of the quote and context - that’s playing to the crowd.

Rep conservative family values guys took major hits for saying one thing and doing another. It wasn’t an issue for Dems caught in “moral” imbroglios as it wasn’t a centerpiece of their platforms. It’s the same with Obama. He set a standard. Now he seems to be wilfully violating it.

Same with the Bush-Cheney-McCain link. It played well at the rally I attended. But there are many, many areas where McCain’s policies are opposite Bush’s. In fact, there are several areas where Obama’s votes are more in line with Bush than were McCains.

But - if Obama does not want to be held responsible for his association with Rev Wright (member of the congregation) how can he tar McCain for his “association” with Pres Bush (member of the same Party).

Then there’s the public financing pledge. Obama’s explanation that he won’t opt for public funding because his Internet-based fundraising is really the public financing his campaign, so it’s a parallel public funding track, is so… political.

As I said, I’m getting a tad disillusioned. Everything new is old again.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

don’t feed the Zell troll…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

McCain breaks law by breaking spending limits

that’s a deal breaker…..

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

The problem with comparing Obama to Tiger Woods

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

There’s a new book out about Custer, who is related to Obama, btw. Actually Custer is also related to McCain. Now Custer wanted 2B prez, which is why he went in so deep into the killing zone and got massacred. He thought the Indians would scatter and some of them indeed did, but his objective was the white house, not the indian village.

Anyway, Custer needed a victory, because like McCain, his military record was scarred when he was found solely responible for setting fire to and sinking the USS Monitor, our newest and most technologically advanced warship.

‘muff said

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Well, Luckovich has let his children draw his cartoon AGAIN. I’ve seen grammar school buletin boards with better drawings.

And these are supposed to be General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker!!

These two leading Americans working in Iraq were totally VILIFIED BY DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. General Petreus was treated like he was a boy scout on a camping trip and couldn’t rub two sticks together. Our most successful General who has led the SUCCESSFUL Surge was insulted by “two bit” senators who claim to “support the troops”. These were not questions for information. They were INSULTS, pure and simple.

Ambassador Crocker was treated like a fortune teller who could read tea leaves. Our liberal senators asked hypothetical questions and expected definitive answers. BRAINLESS DEMOCRATS!! Hear these types of stupefying senators: What cha gonna do when some president(?) wants to pull ALL troops? What day and what time are we gonna leave Iraq? Our “folks” at home are “tired” and YOU ought to tell us when you are going to STOP fighting (with great sighs of angst)!!

America was totally disgraced by the treatment of these two honorable men serving our country. Some (even dumber Dems like here)want to say “Impeach Bush!”

If you want to rid this country of “political plague” then indict your own Dem and DIMs in Congress. Do it before they turn our country over to Osama bin laden on a silver platter.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

{{{{It is politically incorrect to say so, but an oil well in Alaska might cause less damage to the world environment, less strain on our own food supply and more savings to poorer American consumers than most of the present alternatives.}}}}

I guess it is too easy for the libs to understand.

By drey

April 10, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Dusty, edit, edit, and edit.

Cartoon: It’s amazing how luckovich captured the soul of that general.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Hey, dusty, Republican’s ask just as tough questions too.

Does that make them anti-american too?

Your arguments are weak.

Examples:

– Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH): “The American people have had it up to here” with the war. The U.S. should tell its allies in the Middle East: “Hey guys, we’re on our way out.”

– Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE): “What are we doing? I don’t see Secretary Rice doing any Kissinger-esque flying around. Where is the diplomatic surge?”

– Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN): “Simply appealing for more time to make progress is insufficient.”

– Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN): “I’m looking for an articulation as to how we get to the end” […] “We’re at a point in the conflict where an articulation of the endgame needs to be made.”

– Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME):”We’re continuing to pay for the training and equipping of Iraqi forces. I’m told that we’re even continuing to pay for fuel within Iraq. Isn’t it time for the Iraqis to start bearing more of those expenses?”

– Sen. John Warner (R-VA): “Is all this sacrifice bringing about a more secure America?”

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Oh boy! The Chimperor is going on TV at 11:30 a.m. today (Gosh, won’t most Americans be at work then?) to lie, obfuscate and prevaricate about his WAR FOR OIL!!

Should be a laugh riot!!

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Republicans know Bush’s Oil War is lost!!

Some are actually trying to be on the correct side of history - a little late to the party - but at least they showed up!!

Now, they need to start voting with the majority to end Bush’s War!!

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

ITN at 9:17,

If we had a million troops in Iraq, would the “security situation” be “better”?

Sure.

Yet one of the countless things that these chickenhawks and fake conservatives aren’t smart enough to understand is that it doesn’t make a tinker’s damn bit of difference, because the misnamed and maladroit Iraqi government is likely never going to get their collective shiite together.

Does anyone really believe that in five years a truly functional democratic government will have more than the slimmest toe hold?

Ten? Twenty? Fifty?

Why, when they have an extremely expensive police force they are not even paying for.

What’s the rush?

By Jesus

April 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

AmVet

My usual soap box - what has this Rep Administration, this Dem Congress, or any candidate proposed to make us independent of ME oil? “Increased funding for alternate energy” isn’t it.

Truthman

If the Iraq war’s about oil, some must think oil is pretty important to our economy. If we withdraw and circumstances develop that the price, say, doubles or triples - any thoughts on what we do then?

AmVet

Re Oliver Stone - initially you came across last night that he should be taken seriously. Punked! I really enjoyed him in one of my fav movies - Dave - when some began to suspect that the Pres was not the Pres, but an impostor. They had him interviewed on a news show, looking the same as ever, very, very seriously laying out his case for a conspiracy -

By Greg

April 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Dustmite: What “buletin” board did you learn from?

Remember to watch BushDrunk at 11:30.

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Yes, Woot,

We do have some Republican rhinos who worry more about their reelection than about their country. Or else, like Democrats, they are not too smart.

I can ask a bunch of hypothetical questions and expect someone to tell me the absolutely correct answer. These are grown men and women and I expect them to act like adults.

Why don’t you ask dumb things like: When and what am I going to do when I have an auto accident? What about when lightning strikes my home? When are interest rates on CDs gonna rise so I can invest better?

As our general and ambassador tried to tell Congress, circumstances change many times and you cannot answer hypothetical questions until you can assess them from actual facts OF THE TIME.

Do you not get that? Do you want our leading and most successful General treated like “dirt”? Our Ambassador treated like he is on “Truth or Consequences”?

That is rediculous. I like Americans acting like Americans. You do not “support the troops” by insulting the General who is leading them. You also DO NOT SUPPORT THE COUNTRY. Hurry up and wake up!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Report: White House Directly Involved In Torture Decisions

seems Lindy wasn’t all on her own….

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

SUPPORT THE TROOPS INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING BUSH’S WAR IN IRAQ.

WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that President Bush’s successor will have to come to grips with the reality that the United States cannot continue to keep such large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Without taking sides in the race for the White House, Powell said, “Whichever one of them becomes president on Jan. 1, 2009, they will face a military force that cannot continue to sustain 140,000 people deployed in Iraq and the 20 (thousand) odd or 25,000 people we have deployed in Afghanistan and our other deployments.”

By jethro bodine

April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

If y’all think we’re gettin’ anywhere with this stinkin’ war, y’all are just nuts. The wheel come off of Bush’s wagon the minute he left the startin’ gate. The fool is just an incompetent clown, and anything he sets his mind to just ends up a complete failure. I wonder why so many Americans hitched their wagons to this hell bound train? They is just a stupid as he is.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Treated like dirt?

To quote Harry Truman -

If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Can’t let the widdle general and ambassador boys get their feelings hurt.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dusty

It has been noted Congressional questioners were remarkably light on “benchmark” questions - probably because to question Gen Petraeus or Amb Crocker on them would have not made the political points they were seeking. Instead, the focus shifted on how much the war costs, who’s paying what, how much each should pay, etc etc.

So we’ve gone from “lied” to “defeat” to “set up benchmarks” to “whoa! Hey, this war stuff is expensive!”

I do think the drain on our resources has been pretty bad. My point was how - what’s the word - opportunistic? - each new objection as an overall objection for the war, seems.

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Even the incredibly heavily fortified Green Zone is becoming a killing ground.

RIP Colonel Scott.

ST. LOUIS — In correspondence from Iraq’s fortified Green Zone, Col. Stephen Scott had always insisted to relatives that he was safe. But recently, family members noticed a surge in violence had him worried.

“You could tell in his voice that he was telling us he was safe, but he wasn’t really believing it in the last three weeks,” his sister, Kathleen King said.

Scott, who had ties to St. Louis, died Sunday during a mortar attack on facilities inside the protected Green Zone in Baghdad, which houses the U.S. Embassy. Only the ninth soldier of his rank to have been killed in the Iraq war, he is one of the conflict’s highest-ranking casualties.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

AmVet 10:29

After he said we cannont continue to deploy in such numbers, Gen Powell should have added “as our military is presently constituted, organized and based.”

By Ray

April 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

The war is all about oil. It always has been. Just see how many politicos get elected when soccer moms in their GMC Yukons have to stand in line for gas for over 30 min. Most of them don’t mind spending $4.00 or more/gallon for gas, just give it to me when I want it so my life style doesn’t change and I am not “inconvenienced”. We are a spoiled America and must wake up soon to the reality that Arab petroleum is an ax above the head of every American. I haven’t seen one candidate who has a good alternate energy proposal. Just increasing gas mileage to 50mi/gal would put the Arabs in a tailspin and bring us much closer to our goal on energy independence. Have you seen the pictures of Dubai lately and seen what our energy dollars are buying?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Paul

I’m sure General Powell appreciates your opinion also.

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Amvet,

I am sure you are really really surprised that soldiers are killed during war time. Let’s make a big deal of it like it has never happened before. Four thousand plus troops in five years is the lowest death figure ever listed before in war (except for the first short engagement in Iraq.

I do not want any deaths. But I do want America to keep the freedom we so love. The soldiers who gave their lives did it for our country and I WILL NOT DISGRACE THEM by acting like a coward and complainer. You should try it sometime. Your son is doing his part RIGHT NOW.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Getting ready for the third wave of financial panic

Anybody else see Robert Reich use the “D” word on CNN this morning?

By Paul

April 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

IThN

General Powell is a smart, honorable man. But he is career Army, spent most of his career in what are essentially political-advisory posts (White House Fellow as a major, punched his ticket with a battalion as a colonel in Korea, then back to the White House. Then more education, promotion to general, plum posting as Commander, 101st Airborne, then onto more Washingon jobs).

Point is, his path is not all that unusual for those who rise to that status, and most of those do not tinker with the fundamental structure of their individual service, let alone propose massive restructuring of other services.

General McPeak, aforementioned on Obama’s campaign committee, is a notable exception.

So glad the opinion can broaden your understanding.

:-)

By Ray

April 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Wake up America. We will go war again in the Middle East if our oil supply is threatened, no matter who is president. Petroleum is the life blood of American business, the economy and our future. Unless we score some alternate source of energy, we will be forced to sacrifice more Americans to keep it flowing and the politicians re-elected. All we seem to be good at is calling each other names. Don’t you see that it doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you are on, this reality is written in stone and will not change until we get some real leadership.

By C.I. Toldja

April 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Note to all you brain-dead left-leaning weenies: Please explain the ice age that happened 10,000 years ago. Naw, couldn’t be Mother Nature taking control of climatic changes (LL Weenies don’t believe in God, ergo no Mother Nature). There MAY BE global warming but it has less to do with mankind than a natural solar phenomenon. Scream and holler all you want, and wet your pants,weenies, ‘cause intelligent people won’t listen to you!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

The GOP, a casualty of war

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks for your opinion of my understanding.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

IThN 10:53

Now that’s just plain wrong. He never said “such as the one that Bush launched against Iraq.” His words (from Reuters) were:

‘When asked at a town hall meeting about the Bush policy on preemption, McCain said: “I don’t think you can make a blanket statement about preemptive war because obviously it depends on the threat that the United States of America faces.”

‘McCain said the U.S. president should consult more closely with members of Congress so that the branches of government could act together if a threat were imminent.

“In normal times as you see a looming threat … I think you need to consult more closely and more carefully not with every member of Congress but certainly the leaders of Congress.” (Reporting by Jeff Mason, additional reporting by Steve Holland, editing by Alan Elsner)’

McCain was reflecting US doctrine that has been in place for decades. See what happens when you go to a lalalandleft web site for their interpretation instead of to a source report?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Paul

As you said yesterday….

“Don’tcha just love all these generals who get religion AFTER they’ve gotten their last star and retired?”

By @@

April 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I watched Randy Pausch’s “Last Lecture” on T.V. last night? Professor Pausch’s philosophy on life can serve as a great example to all.

He reflected back on a football coach in Middle School. The coach had given young Randy a really hard time at practice one day, so much so that an assistant coach approached Randy after practice saying, “Coach really rode you hard today - that’s good.”

Randy replied “Good - how’s that good?”

The assistant coach responded “That means he hasn’t given up on you - he cares.” “You’re worth his trouble.”

An excerpt from Randy’s lecture.

(((-Brick walls are there for a reason. They are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. The brick walls are there to stop people who don’t want it badly enough.)))

Professor Pausch also said that if he could give people three words to live by they would be….

“Tell the truth”, if he could add three more they would be “All the time”.

That’s what I want from my political leaders.

Even when the truth is hard to hear.

It shows respect for the listener.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

5 Ways the G.O.P. Can Keep Dems Out of the White House in 2009

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Paul

DOES this

“I don’t think you can make a blanket statement about preemptive war because obviously it depends on the threat that the United States of America faces.”

NOT MEAN

he won’t rule it out?

By getalife

April 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Here are the war criminals

Where are the demands for their resignations and trials?

By w00t

April 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Dusty, unfortunately it is the American way to ask questions, especially the tough ones. It’s also the only way to get to the truth.

You would rather entrust blind faith to the president and his administration that has gotten nearly everything wrong time and time again since the start of the war. They refuse to give us any answers, and that we will be there until we’re no longer needed. What sets those conditions? All they can answer back is, the conditions are met when the conditions are met. Talk about circular logic.

All Iraq has been used for is a means to justify staying in the Middle East. If it isn’t WMD’s, it was Saddam, then it was AQI, then it was Sadar, now it’s Iran. There is no end in site. There are no conditions that set for victory and our draw down. It is an open-ended commitment. A open-ended commitment for more lives, more disabled veterans, and more wasted tax dollars that we don’t have.

By Lunatic Fringe

April 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Definition of double standard:

Cobb County commissioner Annette Kesting says “I love my enemies. I pray every day with my enemies because I have to go up on the third floor and work with white women.”

If a white woman said this Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP would still be here grandstanding for the media demanding her resignation. Why is it racial ONLY when it is a white person saying it?

By Paul

April 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

ITnH

My impression is Powell resisted many of those in the Bush administration on the march to war - particularly those in Defense and other advisors. But the cards and the bureaucracy were stacked against him. But he did it within the constraints of the system, according to the protocol of precedent. Then he left. There are similarities with how the senior USAF general resigned during the Clinton Administration.

Powell hasn’t gone public with book deals and tv shows and political involvement like so many other retired generals have done - none of that “ooh, ooh, I was a major player and things went down the toilet but I was a really, really good guy but the just wouldn’t listen to me….”

The guy has class.

your 11:14

Haven’t we been over this before? I don’t see how any President can. Back up a few years. 1939 with 2008 intelligence capabilities. US knows the Japanese task force is sailing for Pearl to conduct an attack.

If we strike any Japanese aircraft before the bombs drop, that’s preemption. That’s about the simplest illustration I can give.

By N-GA

April 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

I agree, you are NUTS as Zell!

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Andie petticoat, you are SUCH a revisionist!

“By AJC Management - April 10, 2008 9:04 AM - Bonnie: What do you think I’ve been saying from the very first day (about global warming)?”

One thing you have NOT done is call for more studies on whether there is global warming, and what (if any) part humans are responsible for.

Your whole sctick has been to dismiss global warming as a myth, not worthy of so much as a dime’s worth of studying.

You define duplicitous. You should be ashamed. But you’re probably not.

Ah, forget the whole global warming thing. The Iraq war, too. Despite recent red flags like the collapse of Bear Stearns, the economy is still humming!

Not.

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Thursday that the U.S. economy had “turned down sharply” and still faced risks from the housing and finance sectors.”

And then there’s…

“Chicago Sun-Times - A new poll finds the majority of the middle class feel they either haven’t moved forward or have fallen backward in their lives in the last five years — the worst showing of short-term personal progress in nearly 50 years, the Pew Research Center said Wednesday”

I’m just waiting for a candidate… ANY candidate to ask that famous Reagan question: “Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?”

Or the past 8 years? It’s no wonder that if, even in his own mind he’s the best, President Bush will go down as our worst President in at least 70 years.

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

{{{{C.I. Toldja}}}} @10:59

By intelligent people are you referring to the representatives of 163 countries that just met in Thailand to address the issue of man-induced climate change?

163??? Even by neo-con math that’s a lot!

And guess who wasn’t there? Yep, you flat-earthers.

Didn’t you have a conference of your own recently where 15 scientists showed?

Or perhaps by intelligent people you mean the dozens of long-standing, highly credible organizations such as:

World Meteorological Organization

NOAA

National Geographic Society

U.S. Department of Energy - Environmental Sciences Division

Environmental Protection Agency

World Health Organization

NASA

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

National Climatic Data Center

Maybe you have a list of your own “experts” you can provide?

But be prepared for some SERIOUS laughing!

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

That’s not fair, Amvet. Global Warming has not hurt any of us yet. There’s no damage to earth. Air? Clean. Temps? Nice. Floods? Dont make me laugh. Tornados and hurricanes. I’ll show them who’s king of the forest. Elephants? I’d wrap ‘em up in cellophant!

The point is all the data that Gore points to is evidence for what COULD happen in the next 1000 years or so.

There simply isn’t any dead canary yet. Point Duhng. Well argued, sir, even if your panties did get in a bunch. (Try steaming them)

By @@

April 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Heck, everybody knows that eating causes gas, so let these people die of starvation and then we’ll recycle them.

“These days the farms have been put to biofuel production, creating a shortage of food and therefore creating a problem of high prices,” said Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete, the Tanzanian President and head of the African Union.

With shortages and high prices set to continue for the foreseeable future, the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) warned food riots which have struck several impoverished countries in recent weeks could spread.

(((He said he was advising governments to invest in irrigation, storage facilities and rural infrastructure and increase productivity to meet the challenge of food scarcity.)))

If environmentalists considered people as valuable, they’d be advising the same thing.

Since they’re the ones who advocate population control, maybe this’ll work out for them.

If only solutions were as simple as the left believes them to be…..

By Just Saying

April 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

You go, Babe! Love you, love your satire.

You nail your subject matter cleanly - as well as Jennifer Saunders skewered the fashion industry in “Absolutely Fabulous.”

Can’t you guys see she’s yanking your chain?

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Funny, funny stuff, @@! You’re writing has improved geometrically lately. You use humor well.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott April 10, 2008 11:34 AM One thing you have NOT done is call for more studies on whether there is global warming, and what (if any) part humans are responsible for.}}}}

bonnie: Nonsense. Anyone here knows that I said many times that we should study solar activity, seeing how it coincides exactly with warming and cooling periods of the Earth’s climate.

“Study,” as you libs define it, consists of praying that the general public doesn’t ever realize that it is chemically impossible for CO2 to have anymore than the most infinitesimal effect on heat trapping atmospheric gases.

And besides, why study warming when the temperatures are clearly falling?

Know what I mean?

By Stevie B

April 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

McCain clarified this statement almost as soon as he said it. Only lame partisans like Luckovich keep using it as a line of attack.

It’s fine to dislike a candidate’s policies, but at least criticize his true policies, instead of willfully distorting off the cuff and out of context statements and claiming that those are his policies. Of course, distorting the truth is what Luckovich does every day and the trained seals on this blog applaud such intellectual honesty as expected.

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Well said, hear hear, Duhng!! You’ve not only destroyed the commie-lovin’ castro-fondling liberal piece of alqueda-wannabe trash’s argument, but you’ve nearly eradicated any remnants of self esteem he managed to get past your last flame. He had it comin’

When one considers Your science, your data, and your extrapolations, what can one say but, “Duhng!”

Makeup

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Just to set the record straight, Colin Powell was the commander of U.S. Army Forces Command in 1989. I know because I worked for him there. Forces Command is responsible for the readiness and mobilization of all Active Army forces in the continental U.S. (CONUS), P.R. and the V.I.

It is hardly a staff position considering our biggest power projection platforms - Bragg, Campbell, Hood, Lewis - all fall under Forces Command’s Command and Control (C2).

I don’t dislike McClueless, Most of us just don’t believe he is mentally stable enough to be president.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

{{{“Study,” as you libs define it, consists of praying that the general public doesn’t ever realize that it is chemically impossible for CO2 to have anymore than the most infinitesimal effect on heat trapping atmospheric gases.}}}

LOL, man that is some funny sheot.

let me remind you: “Despite its relatively small concentration overall in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth’s atmosphere because it absorbs infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.”

Why do you have such blind faith in your stupidity, Andy?

By Just Saying

April 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

“Most of us just don’t believe he is mentally stable enough to be president.”

Amen.

After eight years of dry drunk (or not-so-dry drunk) behavior, the last thing we need is a rage-oholic making a further mess of things.

By Peer Pressure

April 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Does it matter what McCain said? Americans dont want this war and want to leave it. When they finally realize that Bush has us trapped there forever I’m telling you, there is going to be a revolution or a backlash against all entrenched old ways of doing biz in DC.

I just cut my finger on a can, and if I was OJ and this were 1994, everyone would think I done kilt Nicole. Maybe OJ is innocent!!!!

and there’s no evidence for global warming

And duhng isn’t a pantywaste.

‘muff spread

By WTF?

April 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

but he’s mentally stable enough to vote like a dem? it’s the libs one issue mental illness that sinks them every time.

By Bosch

April 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

w00t,

“All Iraq has been used for is a means to justify staying in the Middle East. If it isn’t WMD’s, it was Saddam, then it was AQI, then it was Sadar, now it’s Iran. There is no end in site. There are no conditions that set for victory and our draw down. It is an open-ended commitment. A open-ended commitment for more lives, more disabled veterans, and more wasted tax dollars that we don’t have”

I agree. I’m well aware that objectives change as the “surge” or whatever goes on, but after Iran, then what? I really don’t want to think about that.

I feel like it is our responsibility to stabilize the region because we broke it, but you can only go so far. It’s like trying to help an alcoholic, you can try and help them, and try to get them healthy, but in the end, it’s the alcoholic that’s got to do get better themselves.

Oh, and well done with posting the “hard questions” from the Republicans too.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Truthman

What was he like to work for?

IThN

Well, you’ve just given us all a reason to hope for a Democratic victory in November.

Because if it’s a Republican victory, we’ll have to sit through more years of the farleft hate machine cranking out more of the same.

I really don’t see any difference, at all, between the sources you link to and the pathological haters of the farfarright during the Clinton years. Same attitude, different label.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{By w00t April 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

{{{{let me remind you: “Despite its relatively small concentration overall in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth’s atmosphere because it absorbs infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.”}}}}

Ahhh, yes, the w00sie has been to wikipedia, tell me, dullard, did you type all that in yourself before you cut and pasted it?

{{{{Greenhouse gases are more than 97% water vapor and less than 3% other gases such as carbon dioxide, methane, CFC’s}}}}

What don’t you understand, dimwit?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

so sorry you can’t see beyond your own right wing bias.

but still, i always welcome your opinion.

By Bosch

April 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Ah, the good ol’ days, Wikipedia was Buy Danish’s source of choice.

Don’t act like you’ve never used it before either Andy, although we never know where you get your information from.

By El Bubba

April 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Can we leave Iraq in only 100 years? tha’s the gag that Luckovich is telling today, and it’s not funny to me because I’ve basically been telling that same story for five years now.

R we really stuck forever in Iraq? Why would I say that?

Google the kurds read their history, that’s why.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Just because it comes from Wikipedia, doesn’t make it any more irrelevant.

Here is the footnote for the quote I referenced.

-Petty, G.W.: A First Course in Atmospheric Radiation, pages 229-251, Sundog Publishing, 2004

Oh, here is the book if you would like to see that too.

http://www.sundogpublishing.com/AtmosRad/Excerpts/index.html

It’s chapter 9.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

IThN

And just what strikes you as “right wing bias?”

My ideas on the environment?

Restructuring/reducing the size of the Defense Department?

Radically reducing our worldwide military presence?

Funding of public transportation?

Radically different gas mileage standards?

Energy independence?

Criminal penalties for corporate heads involved in public scams?

Not caring much at all what a politician does in their private life?

Tax restructuring?

Health care reform?

Removing much of the financing for education, along with teacher hiring, moving, certifications, payroll, etc. from local district control?

A low threshhold of patience for those who knowingly misrepresent, fabricate or lie, regardless of political affiliation.

Go ahead, pick any or all. This truly is fascinating. But then again, if your version of “middle” or “normal” is way past three standard deviations of the population, well, I can see how you’d view someone who advocates the above positions as “right wing.”

By Truthman

April 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I never had more respect for a general officer in my life, except maybe for Lt. Gen. Russel Honore since I was with him during Katrina.

Powell was funny, down-to-earth and as smart as anyone in the military. He drove an old, rather beat-up station wagon. It was parked in his spot when he first came to Forces Command, and the MPs almost had it towed because they couldn’t believe a four-star general would drive such a crummy-looking car.

He also was restoring a 1962 Volvo that was pictured in an Volvo collectors magazine with him getting out the car in front of the Pentagon after he became CJCS (Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff).

Just a great guy who didn’ deserve the treatment he received as Sec. of State.

By Copyleft

April 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Dusty: You seem equally unable to comprehend that soldier’s lives are WASTED during NEEDLESS-WAR time.

Or does the concept of a needless war simply not make sense to you? It is like “jumbo shrimp” or “sharp curve” in your dictionary? (Or “compassionate fascist, I mean conservative”?)

By @@

April 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Paul:

It was a long and winding road wasn’t it?

Believe me when I say this; there are three things you must do to qualify as non-biased in the mind of a leftist.

I’ve been where you are and have found myself pushed to the right as a result.

Wanna take a guess what those three things are?

By Paul

April 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Truthman

Thanks. That pretty well mirrors what I’ve read in other sources. But it counts a lot coming from someone with first-hand knowledge. I’d read about his car restorations - the Volvo was an 1800, if I recall.

Anybody who likes to restore cars like that - and - doesn’t have their ego and image wrapped up in what kind of car they drive strikes me as a pretty decent sort.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

@@

It still is.

By “leftist” I take it you mean what I refer to as “uberleftist” or “lalalandleftist”?

And I do not think you buy neither the hype nor the labels that defines certain positions by Party, such as “if you want to care for the environment you must be a Democrat” or “if you want defend America’s vital interests you must be a Republican.”

I could take a few guesses, but please, lay it out.

What are the three things?

BTW - there are a few things about the lalaland left that push me “right.” And a few things about the farfarright that push me “left.” It just all depends.

But both do share certain characteristics, as I’m rather fond of illustrating.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Paul

right wing bias illustrated below

“Because if it’s a Republican victory, we’ll have to sit through more years of the farleft hate machine cranking out more of the same.”

“But then again, if your version of “middle” or “normal” is way past three standard deviations of the population, well, I can see how you’d view someone who advocates the above positions “

“lalaland left “

I am not afraid to tell you I am a proud liberal, member of the ACLU, member of MoveOn and although never a registered democrat - currently working actively in our county organization.

Are you ashamsed of your right-wingedness?

Don’t be….we will need you for checks and balances over the next 8 years.

Where is that famous Paul sense of humor?

By @@

April 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I’m only referring to the “left” as they appear here. Who knew? Not me!

No Paul, I don’t buy into the labels. I only require that a political party and their representatives avail themselves of logic instead of emotional reaction to an issue. Apply the precautionary principle in order to avoid unintended consequences.

I was looking at this cartoon today and thinking….

if Presidential terms were 12 years and we were in the middle…say six years, how different would politics look. Whenever an election is pending all things are hyped, and emotions rise. Politicians know that and use that.

You must declare (for all to hear) that George Bush invaded Iraq with malice aforethought.

You must declare that George Bush is a liar.

You must support an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

If you can’t do those three things, you’re doomed to standing in the right-wings of the stage

My husband is “uber-right” on all issues. I’m right when it comes to national defense, and a little left of center on social issues. I haven’t budged on defense, but because of what I see from the left here, I keep moving further right, then back to left of center on social issues.

I wanna get away from ml’s leftists, but my heart won’t let me. They need help in the worst kinda way, but…..

they don’t want it so why bother I say.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

IThN

It tends to wear a bit thin when people are maligned. It could be on the 100-year misrepresentation. It could be on “you know, Obama’s really a Muslim and if he gets elected…” It’s all of the same ilk.

You still haven’t defined what constitutes “right wingedness.”

I have, for a long time, used the “ube” or “lalaland” description for those positions that seem to be beyond the pale of most liberal positions. Just as I have used “farfarright” for the other direction. Interestingly, I have yet to have some of our more conservative friends on this blog denounce me as a closet Lib when I take an other than “conservative” position or point out how a “lib” has been maligned. But those on the outer edges of the Left do so regularly. I find that illuminating.

The first quote you referenced - I believe that was in reply to more of the same “McCain 100 years” misrepresentation. Since when is it “hate speach” to point out inaccuracies? But having to point them out repeatedly…

The second quote - that was in reference to the continued use of sources to misrepresent McCain. Y’know, when this first started, I believe it was one of the Politico guys who laid out a plan to lead the attack. When informed it is inaccurate, his reply was along the lines of, well, you don’t get handed a line like this every day.

Truth suffers.

I’m not ashamed of positions I take some would consider right wing. Or left wing. Some here consider some of my positions left. Others view the same position as right. Another reason I haven’t much time for labels.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

@@

Those three - I suppose Lieberman would be the perfect illustration. Must be an interesting household! I’ve noticed here, though, that when you take on any of the three, you seem to become, in the eyes of many, a charter member of the (now defunct) John Birch Society. But you get my drift -

IThN

I notice you didn’t address any of the specific issues. Please let me return to one of my favorites - just for grins - how this country handles primary and secondary education.

I’ll lay a small wager that when it comes to local control, input, curriculum, programs - you’re pretty much the status quo type.

Which would make you, compared to me on this issue, a conservative! (Not wanting any radical changes from what is).

So there you see. I trust you can smile at that one -

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

A blessing we can all be thankful for:

{{{{WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday he has abandoned hope that troop levels in Iraq will drop to 100,000 by the end of the year.}}}}

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Ooops, my bad:

{{{{WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday >>>>he has abandoned hope<<<< that troop levels in Iraq will drop to 100,000 by the end of the year.}}}}

That’s no blessing, that sucks.

I missed the “abandoned hope” part.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

a war is a blessing? More troop deaths are a blessing?

God blesses such things?

Why do you hate the troops andy?

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

CopyLeft @ 2:19

Talk about wasted, you far leftovers fill the bill. So you “support the military” by telling them they are “wasted” for nothing. You are telling them that freedom is not worth the fighting and dying.

What a pox on the national psyche you leftovers are. You are totally backwards from the strength of our forefathers.

Our soldiers fight that we can continue in freedom without al Queda at our door. They fight that Iraqis have a chance at living in freedom. They fight the encroaching terrorism on the world. They fight. You subversive lefties sit home and cry because we won’t give up.

If appreciating our freedom is the far right, then I am far right as is much of the country. They will speak at the polls when the time comes and they will elect a patriot, not one you have to guess about.

By mm

April 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Duh,

You warmongering POS. My coworker’s son was killed in Iraq yesterday.

I don’t think you would be head cheerleader for the war if you had a son or daughter in Iraq, knowing you could get the dreaded call at any moment.

But you and the rest of your wingnut warmongering POS buddies on this blog don’t care because it’s someone else’s child in danger.

Rot in h*ll, all of you.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Oh go give yourself a BJ, POS.

I made an honest mistake you lying little maggot.

FU.

By w00t

April 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

{{{I made an honest mistake}}}

alright, fair enough.

By Dusty

April 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

mm,4:00

The only child you care about protecting is your own? Would you FIGHT to save the life of anyone else like our military is doing?

No…you are so short sighted that you cannot see that our war is about EVERYONE’s freedom, our children and those of the Iraqis. Perhaps you need to visit some of the mass graves found in Iraq. They were NOT all adults there. Children too. But you don’t think such things make any difference.

I feel great sadness at the grief your coworker is experiencing. That is agony. There is little to assuage that pain. Maybe one day, all of us will appreciate the great sacrifices of our military and their families and not tell them it was wasted.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

mm

My sincerest condolences to you and your friend.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) Loves Dikkk Cheney

April 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

With or without the Cheney.

Yes, I would never serve in the military, not in a million years - when you get right down to it, I am to damn yellow.

I will service the troops, gladly. Behind the lines. Way way behind.

I’ll do anything in the comfort of a stateside rest room - you might call me a one man (shemale) USO tour, if you get my drift.

A man in uniform makes my heart beat faster.

Heck, any man. Any uniform.

Kisses,

Andiduh, Chickenhawk War Blogger

By getalife

April 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

mm,

Tell your coworker, most on this blog are very sorry for your loss.

By @@

April 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Well Helloooooooooooooooooo President Crvenkovski. Who knew?

So sorry, dropped into Stratfor and there he was.

I was momentarily distracted from more important things.

Back to Macedonia.

By Phil Gramm

April 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

I am MISTER REPUBLICAN - the epitome of Republicanism. Watch me, hear me. I will be yer nex vice-prezdunt. I wanna take this tunity ta thank true, God-fearin, values-orriy..orian…orientad Merkuns like Dustmite n AJC/homo fer there display of educshun n brainpower like mine and there bravry and raw guts like McInsane and there constant tributions to this blog, as they r a class act and represent the vary best of neocon thinking and values and courage and…well…I could go on and on bout such great Mercuns but I bleeve these fine folks are zamples enough and Paul, your just as bright as them 2 - so don’t git so down in mouth. Kay?? God Bless Murcah! You r r future!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

@@

Stop drooling.

Notice how Gov Richardson didn’t grow a beard until after he dropped out of the primaries? What’s that tell you about our country?

getalife

You know I read Morris’s analyses - the guy’s been getting a bit much with his anti Hillary talk lately. Seems as if he comes up with the worst possible explanation for everything. I guess he holds a grudge but this is getting a bit extreme. Does everyone have to go waaaay to either side nowadays?

By Pete

April 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Well said, mister Gramm. But I think you’re waaaaay over the typical Neocon mindset and level of comprehension.

By C.I. Toldja

April 10, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Yo, AmVet!!

You opined: By intelligent people are you referring to the representatives of 163 countries that just met in Thailand to address the issue of man-induced climate change?

163??? Even by neo-con math that’s a lot!

And guess who wasn’t there? Yep, you flat-earthers.

I’m going to assume that you are an intelligent person and that you have made it beyond the 8th. grade. Usually middle schoolers like to bring home new words they have heard/learned during that day’s classwork.

C’mon: Neo-Con? Flat-Earthers? No, I am neither; Conservatism has been my middle name since birth (1938) and I certainly believe the earth is round (well it IS, isn’t it?).

Now, I’ll pass judgement by requesting reports from those 163 ‘experts’ you listed and, by the same token, see if they will provide further information on just what caused the “ICE AGE.”

Selah

By @@

April 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

mm, be careful, duhng is very likely a sociopath, and there is a very real possiblity that his death wishes and death threats are real. He threatened me on a daily basis till I finally sought a legal remedy, still in the works and Wooten collared him. Wooten also stopped communicating on this blog because of the liability. Today he or another wooten thug made another death wish agianst me, in spite of all those fair warnings I gave them.. Now because Wooten’s military posse is so closely aligned with Wooten, (they served together in the guard or in nam) and because Wooten is the AJC, then the paper is liable. You simply cannot make death threats or wishes from a community-forum like a newspaper where people have a reasonable expectation of safety or at least not to be threatened with death. I cant describe the fear I feel when I get these threats because they’re based on the hateful, out of control rantings that consistently come from these individuals, there’s just no way to know if my family is safe. It’s a cruel world, and there are monsters in it.

So I’d back off of Wooten’s enforcers. I’ve encountered them before on another server. The conspiratorial nature of their comments are horrifying. Fair warning. Walk softly boys.

By getalife

April 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Morris is a moron Paul.

Iraqi Prime Minister Disagrees With Petraeus: US Forces Can Start Withdrawing.

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

C.I. like reported aliens, tales of “conservatives” are highly exaggerated.

My guess is you wouldn’t know a “conservative” if one as big as Larry Craig sat in your lap!

You’re obviously the climatology expert and know all there is to know about the Ice Ages, “variations in the suns temperatures”, “wobbles in the earth’s orbit” and cow flatulence.

{{{{Ask Curly for clarification}}}}.

I have no such expertise, but leave it up to the REAL experts. Not blustering uneducated fools on a small time political blog.

All I know for CERTAIN is that you completely irrelevant man-induced global warming deniers and ostriches will have NO say in ANY of the decisions going forward.

NONE.

Bank on it.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary that your “position” will be pertinent?

I can’t seem to find it…

By bon scott

April 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

AJC mismanagement - And besides, why study warming when the temperatures are clearly falling?

Know what I mean?

I guess that’s why the polar ice caps are shrinking. Right? That’s why a chunk of ice the size of Ireland is close to breaking off from Antarctica, right?

At least I have the cojones to admit I don’t know the answers to climate changes. Despite your claims to the contrary, you clearly think no further study is needed.

You are truly clueless.

By mm

April 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Please tell me how we are safer. This war is the biggest recruiting tool for AQ.

By Bill

April 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Toldja. If you were born in 1938, you’re younger than me. But in your case all you’ve done is take up valuable space. A “conservative…since birth….” Not something about which to openly brag, now is it? Look around you vat the country/ Proud of the conservative nightmare wrought??

@@: You’re, as always, outta uyour mind. No one has or is threatening you. You tiny repug wimps are completely scrotumless and just can’t survive when reality smacks you. No one re the AJC is after you or any such thing. You’ve obviously overdosed on “heroes,” “support the troops,” “we’re winning,” etc.
A truly dysfunctional mind. Again, wasting valuable space in the world. Time for you little boys to…move on!

By getalife

April 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Maybe somebody should ask McCain why he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years when their leader said we can start withdrawing?

By Glenn

April 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

AJC Mgt.,

Wow. What a jack-o-rama we have today. I see that you committed an error, you, you…you GREAT SATAN!

I was reflecting the other day on something I’m guessing you’ve noticed too. While it would be trite to keep pointing out that the Left is tripping on Movement nostalgia, there is something noteworthy that makes this go-around different.

It’s not just that the clothes are a little off and the directorial and musical talent is unoriginal and the drugs are mostly new. It’s that even the Hippies were trying to accomplish something constructive, however mindlessly they sought to do so. Their anti-Americanism ran to heartsick dissapointment and, at its best, to a refusal to surrender the American high ground to those of low purpose. (I see this high-mindedness as rather obviously coming out of MLK and his tradition, and evincing itself in such developments as the Free Speech Movement and its progeny in turn.) There was then a great yearning to grasp and master tools, old and new, with which to build a better America and a better Whole Earth. I still have great affection for those bozos.

But what we have now are a bunch of Pavlovian nihilists grounded in nothing in particular. They reenact the past without really knowing or caring anything about it. I’d say that they’re postmod decons, but that’s far too flattering. They’re more like soccer hooligans, and far from embracing the Whitmanesque individualism of the Beats and Flower Children and Yippies et al, they’re more into reactive mass thinking. Instead of autonomous, they are heteronymous as can be.

Just bleating to be herded and fleeced.

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Bill:

(((A truly dysfunctional mind. Again, wasting valuable space in the world.)))

I agree! Tell it to the individual who posted that crap at 5:38.

It wasn’t me.

Now what was that you were saying about being “outta uyour mind”?

Do you know where yours is?

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Paul:

(((Stop drooling.)))

Who said I was drooling? It was his thoughtful analysis in the article that impressed me. (ISH)

(((Notice how Gov Richardson didn’t grow a beard until after he dropped out of the primaries? What’s that tell you about our country?)))

That things are getting hairy?

Now let me go back and read that article again, or maybe for the first time.

By Paul

April 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

@@

No one - just a bit of intuition!

:-)

I watched “Troy” last night. Since you’re on about Macedonia I’ll have to put on Alexander, it seems.

Hairy? Don’t you ever complain about my jokes again! Then again, you knew the answer to yesterday’s naval quiz…

BTW - your 6:12

“A waist is a terrible thing to mind.”

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I hope that you’re never accused of rape and are confronted with a he said/she said moment.

(((Al-Maliki, however, reportedly told President Bush that he disagrees with that suggestion.)))

Key word “reportedly”.

(((CNN quoted a senior Iraqi government adviser as saying that al-Maliki told Bush that American forecast can be drawn down, as there doesn’t need to be such a big number in a support role. Al-Maliki reportedly made the comments in a 20-minute telephone conversation with the president on Wednesday.)))

Again…..”reportedly”.

(((The adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to disclose the confidential details, said al-Maliki told Bush that Iraqi security forces are capable of carrying out their duties and U.S. troops should be pulled out as the situation permits.)))

Couldn’t give his name because he wasn’t authorized to speak for al-Maliki?

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

(((“A waist is a terrible thing to mind.”)))

that ^^^ one left you “hanging out” Paul.

(IWH)

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Good one Paul. Now that’s some comic timing and great original thinking. I’ve never heard that one!@@ you’re so funny! I love to read your way with words. There’s only one @@! Blog on happily, my fine friend.

Dusty! Where oh where has my little blog gone, oh where oh where can she beeee?

Dusty!

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Good one Paul. Now that’s some comic timing and great original thinking. I’ve never heard that one!@@ you’re so funny! I love to read your way with words. There’s only one @@! Blog on happily, my fine friend.

Dusty! Where oh where has my little blog gone, oh where oh where can she beeee?

Dusty!

By Paul

April 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

@@

Terrible visual. Something tells me it’s time for happy hour…

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

@@, (From Wooten’s)

That I caught you with your foot in mouth disease (“muff said”), YET AGAIN, is not newsworthy.

But must you indignantly pretend that it is the first time?

For months you and your fellow lame-brain {{{{RW}}}}} insisted I was posting under numerous names other than AmVet.

Of course, you gave up that stupid, unsupportable and patently false claim when you FINALLY realized you were once again just an unobservant fool.

You and I both know there are plenty of people on these blogs who find your ideas and by proxy, you, revolting.

It’s called karma.

And that is why you get jacked.

I certainly don’t need to pretend to be more than one person to change ANY of that.

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

(((I certainly don’t need to pretend to be more than one person)))

AmVet, do you really wanna go there? It would be a HUGE disappointment if you do. I mean once caught, forever screwtinized.

Little testy there aren’tcha?

You’re into Gold…may I’ve heard tell the Bond type is excellent for chaffing.

By Glenn

April 10, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

If that’s AmVet at 6:39 I’ll make Werner Herzog eat his shoe.

By @@

April 10, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Aw gee whiz, amvet, I didn’t mean nuthin, I was only foolin’ golly wally income free. Now I feel bad. Lighten’ up! It’s all good.

Oh jbm crack corn and I dont care. Glenn likes to eat his underwear….

see? It’s all just alot of hooey. All of our misunderstandings is pofo’s fault.

China has been rapidly building up their navy while buying oil fields all over der verld. The two go hand in hand. Rice herself is alarmed about the rush for the oil.

There, now doesn’t that put political foreskin in his place? He’s not China, he’s not oil. He’s not as big as world war three, now, is he? No!

So lets join forces against pofo, the fink.

‘muff spread

By Glenn

April 10, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

“Just because I wayer a payer of her old underwhayer,

She thinks I…steal cay-yerrrrrr.”

[apologies to Geo. Jones]

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

Glenn, you still don’t get it do ya?

Which is surprising because you are such an ultra-bright and likable guy. And this won’t change that for me.

I NEVER attack anyone on these blogs personally. I reserve my uber-witty excoriations for public figures like our fighter pilot hero CIC and our porcine guv.

Some people here frequently do. And when that happens to me, I have one way of responding, unlike the mamby pamby feel good types here.

I have tried reason. I have tried patience.

But there is only one thing they understand.

Overwhelming force. And with the intent to terminate with extreme prejudice.

(In virtual terms and all in good fun of course!)

And like my beloved United States Air Force, I have never lost a battle.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott April 10, 2008 5:45 PM I guess that’s why the polar ice caps are shrinking. Right? That’s why a chunk of ice the size of Ireland is close to breaking off from Antarctica, right?}}}}

Oh my, isn’t bonnie a little behind on current events:

{{{{In a surprising departure from other findings that point to a warming planet, a NASA researcher has found that the amount of ice in the Antarctic increased from 1979 to 1999, as measured by satellites. “You can see with this dataset that what is happening in the Antarctic is not what would be expected from a straightforward global warming scenario, but a much more complicated set of events,” Parkinson said.}}}}

Yeah, complicated, hahaha.

You libs.

By AJC Management

April 10, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

By the way, my post at 3:38 was meant to convey that 50,000 troops leaving Iraq by the end of the year was truly a blessing, I regret any factual errors in those comments that indicated a withdrawal of that size may not be forthcoming.

But those errors do not obscure the fact that I want those soldiers to co me home.

This is not a liberal/ Conservative debate topic, this is a serious goal that we should all be striving to see that it gets accomplished.

America is never going to accept defeat in Iraq, it would be a strategic and economic fiasco that would lead directly to these same brave soldiers having to fight the same war at some point in the future.

Our enemies are real and they are determined.

The quickest way that we can end this national nightmare is to turn over the security of the Iraqi people to the Iraqi people.

We are not going to do that by inflating the strength of their enemies, by fabricating loses from their victories, by making al Qaeda into something more than a defeated false ideology that a vast majority of Muslims have turned against.

Which is exactly what the Atlanta Journal Constitution and it’s ilk does every single solitary day, for political reasons.

I the Iraqi Security Force was credited with their legitimate victory over Shiite extremism in Basra, could we not use this as an excuse to withdraw our troopers from harms way?

Did not Muqtada al Sadr surrender his troops from the battle field?

Why do we implicate otherwise?

I’m sorry, AJC, why do you implicate otherwise?

Do you not want our soldiers to come home?

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Yes, @@, HUGE indeed!

Like that awful time following {{{{Curls}}}} banishment to the blogging land of nod and the “conservatives” here were exceptionally dispirited.

You posted that this place (ML’s) was not interesting and that you hardly came around anymore.

THEN if memory serves correctly, you posted 18 times in the next two days!

And me being of good cheer and mirth ragged on you each time!!

Huge indeed…

By @@

April 10, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Werner Herzog and AmVet?

Hmmmmmmmm.

Well Herzog’s “Fitzcarraldo” did have an —->obsessive<—- central character. He was German.

(((Overwhelming force. And with the intent to —->terminate with extreme prejudice.<—-)))

Could it be?

Get over your bad self AmVet, you ain’t all that you would like to be.

By @@

April 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

See ^^^ what I mean about “obsessive”?

(((Like that awful time following {{{{Curls}}}} banishment to the blogging land of nod and the “conservatives” here were exceptionally dispirited.)))

He’s got it bad for Andy, while Andy only acknowledges AmVet on rare occasions. Too funny!

(((You posted that this place (ML’s) was not interesting and that you hardly came around anymore.)))

I still don’t find ml’s all that interesting, but I continue to find your “obsession” amusing.

Do you wear the perfume AmVet?

By AmVet

April 10, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

@@…..KABOOM!!!

Off we go, into the wild blue yonder…

By @@

April 10, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

AmVet….RAZZZZ A “t**” TAT.

First solo flight?

By RW-(the original)

April 10, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Blowhard must be one of those people Jay Rockefeller was talking about.

By AlexM

August 11, 2008 5:27 AM | Link to this

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