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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > April > 08 > Entry

Someday you’ll thank us

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 07:24 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

I have no doubt the world you live in probably does seem pretty raggedy, cartoon boy.

Mine doesn’t.

I wonder if that has anything to do with me not being filled with rage and hating the United States, like you do?

Know what I mean?

~~~~~

Scheming against our brave soldiers:

{{{{Hundreds flee violence in Sadr City-Urinal}}}}

Yeah, hundreds of terrorists.

Nothing like a scare headline manufactured from whole cloth to try and influence the Patraeus testimony……in favor of the terrorists.

POS.

~~~~~

{{{{The Washington consensus - as promoted by the James Baker-Lee Hamilton Iraq Study Group - portrayed retreat as the only option. “This war is lost,” declared Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in April, thus telling U.S. soldiers they were risking their lives for nothing. As late as September, Hillary Clinton had the nerve to lecture General Petraeus in a Senate hearing that “the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.”}}}}

And, as usual, they were wrong.

{{{{Today, al Qaeda has been cleared from all but the northern reaches of Anbar and Diyala Provinces, Iraqis feel safe enough to resume normal lives, Sunni sheikhs are working with coalition forces, and the long process of Sunni-Shiite political reconciliation has begun. The surge seized the offensive from the enemy so rapidly that it deserves to be studied for years as an example of effective counterinsurgency.}}}}

So why listen to them now?

By w00t

April 8, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Destroying the economy

Destroying the constitution

Destroying privacy

Destroying international respect

Destroying other countries

Destroying families

Destroying futures

Bush&Cheney Since 2000.

By Lunatic Fringe

April 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Nice toon Mikey. Sad but so very true.

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

You know, for once in my life I agree with the Pulitzer Kommittee, well, except for the “provocative” part:

Editorial Cartooning: Michael Ramirez of Investor’s Business Daily for what the judges called his “provocative cartoons.”

~~~~~

{{{{Four decades after the murder in Memphis of a friend of the working man—a hero who was always being denounced by the FBI for his choice of secular and socialist friends and colleagues—the national civil rights pulpit is largely occupied by second-rate shakedown artists who hope to franchise “race talk” into a fat living for themselves. Far from preaching truth and brotherhood, they trade in cheap slander and paranoia and in venomous dislike of other minorities. Elijah Muhammad and the Black Muslims used to relish their meetings with Klansmen and Nazis to discuss the beauties of separatism. So amnesiac have we become, indeed, that we fall into paroxysms of adulation for a ward-heeling Chicago politician who does not complete, let alone “transcend,” the work of Dr. King; who hasn’t even caught up to where we were four decades ago; and who, by his chosen associations, negates and profanes the legacy that was left to all of us.}}}}

~~~~~

Why does it take the libs years to figure out they are wrong when they could have just listened to an informed Conservative?

{{{{The subsidized conversion of crops into fuel was supposed to promote energy independence and help limit global warming. But this promise was, as Time magazine bluntly put it, a “scam.”-Paul Krugman, Treason Times}}}}

{{{{By Luckoduh May 14, 2007 11:24 AM 5) Mandate the usage of ethanol to “reduce our dependence on foreign oil” even though it takes 1.7 gallons of gasoline to create one gallon of ethanol, which also burns dirtier than gas.}}}}

Only after it becomes a total disaster do the libs come clean, like they’re breaking some “news” to us.

And to think, we could have avoided this if we just drilled.

Duh.

By w00t

April 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Destroying the economy

Destroying the constitution

Destroying privacy

Destroying international respect

Destroying other countries

Destroying families

Destroying futures

Bush&Cheney Since 2000.

By N-GA

April 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

…better than a thousand words!

By mountain man

April 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Two great cartoons in a row, Mike. The attack dogs Bush and Cheney tear American freedoms to shreds. And little maggots like AndiZell revel in cconsuming what little is left.

Andi hates America!

By w00t

April 8, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post. The blog was acting screwy this morning.

By Reality

April 8, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Yes the surge is working. The surge in American green backs being doled out to Sunnis that is. Stop paying them and see how long the surge works. Peace.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

John McCain: Family Man?

AND

Exclusive: McCain’s profane spat with wife

By Gary

April 8, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Uncle Sam as a scooby snack? Someone get michael vick on the phone.

By Georgia 74

April 8, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

One of the networks interviewed troops in Iraq, not a single one said they would vote for McCain. Four said Obama, two said Hillary.

By Ray

April 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

What an absolutely tasteless “cartoon”. You liberals should get your head out of your a** and smell the roses. Why are you so convinced that the world out there has some love for us? They don’t! What will it take for you to believe that we are war with a determined enemy who wants our head on a pole? Will it take a dirty bomb in some shopping center to convince you? And you people have the right to vote!! I wish it was not for my future.

By ping

April 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

whodat mike? heston, DKos ‘n Huff’d ‘nuff?

By Gary

April 8, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

No, one soldier said he’d vote 4McCain. he liked his paycheck, so he’s going with longevity in Iraq.

We aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq, peoples.

We are stuck there. Get used to it. There is no scenario that would allow us to leave. It’s not that we broke it and now own it. It’s not that we have to stay until we finish the hard work ahead. The truth is that we have been claimed by Iraq, we have been snared by history’s big trap, we have waded in to our own freshly poured cement.

Because of Iraq, there’s no money for entitlements, so we should thank cheneyandbush for the increase in our productivity that’s sure to come.

Because of Iraq, we can cut taxes and borrow from China because they wont feel threatened by our preoccupied military. China’s gonna love us. We pay our debts on time.

I wonder where our flag lapels are made? USA? no. Mexico? no. Middle east? no.

China? what do you think? I bought a flag lapel yesterday and it has a secret compartment that opens on the back, and there’s another smaller flag inside that one, but the flag has one less star on it, and I opened that flag and there’s another flag inside it with one less star on it, and so on and so on, until the last teeny tiny little flag was morphed from the red, white, and blue stars-and-stripes into the red and yellow, with one big yellow star and four smaller stars orbiting it.

oh dont reach for that one duhng that’s WAY over your head.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Ray

Thanks for your input.

However, since you CONSERVATIVES MADE THE DAMN MESS that we are in, I suggest it is your head that is stuck in a place where you have a view of your own kidneys!

Ray, aren’t you just another Little Ricky derivative anyway?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

What do you do when you don’t have enough conservative posters to back you up?

Make some up!!!

By someday youll thank us

April 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

A win for the dems is a win for AQI.

Allah Akbar!

By urban kid

April 8, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Where can I learn to draw like you?

Thanks.

By Shawny

April 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Several reasons not to vote for Obama contained further down in the text.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Wow - what a powerful cartoon, and spot on.

It took me a minute to see that was Uncle Sam, they’ve shredded so much of him that it’s hard to tell what is and what isn’t.

And the look on his face - wow.

I’ve got goosebumps.

By @@

April 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Lawd a mercy ml!!!!!!

Did ‘ya wake up feeling shredded this a.m.?

This one’s a little macabre for my taste.

Rising ripped from the left side of the bed must take it’s toll on your mental health.

How’s that working for ‘ya?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

13 reasons GOP is toast in ‘08

By urban kid

April 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Where can I learn to draw like you?

Thanks.

By urban kid

April 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Where can I learn to draw like you?

Thanks.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Ray,

Your comment about how the world has no love for us is also spot on.

Dirty bombs in shopping malls? Don’t go to malls, I’m not into the materialism side of our consumer driven economy, malls and what they represent make me want to vomit,

but I digress……..

now, if a dirty bomb goes off in a shopping mall today, or next year, wouldn’t that be a little telling of our national security?

I heard an interview with Donald Feith today on NPR, and I have really never heard anyone try and “pass the buck” more than he did. It was really sad.

Now, I realize that many people are “blaming” him as one of the “poor planners” in the Iraq War, and it’s perfectly natural for someone to want to defend themselves, but for ONCE, I’d like for someone to just stand up and say, “YOU KNOW WHAT? I SCREWED UP!”

But yet, no one, is taking responsibility for this mess. Not one.

By sin bad

April 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

cartoon idea:

label the hell hounds obama and clinton while they “play” tug of war with a dnc chewy toy.

By Truthman

April 8, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Freakin’ Great, Mike!!!

Let the lunatic fringe howl!!!

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross!”

Sinclair Lewis, 1937

By w00t

April 8, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Shawny…

{{{Mr. Cogan, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, was deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Reagan. Mr. Hubbard, dean of Columbia Business School, was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush.}}}

Yeah, I’m going to trust this guy. We all know how this works now. Bush&Co. put out these little “opinion” pieces and then refers to them on Sunday talking head shows and say, well the WSJ said so.

Who is going to pay for all of this? Who is going to pay for the war, troop healthcare, replacing worn out military equipment? Who is going to pay back our deficit, or China? There comes a point when the credit card maxes out, and we have to pay it back. Maybe they should have thought about that too. Unless cuts in programs are made, you have to raise taxes to pay for these programs.

It’s ironic that this administration has been so conservative on taxes yet so liberal on government spending. Through I guess you don’t care when you are a conservative when there is nothing at stake for you until they raise your taxes to pay for the war you so proudly support from the side lines.

Money doesn’t grow on printing presses.

By bones

April 8, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Truth is hard to look at. I put you up there with Francisco de Goya. thank you, thank you, thank you.

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Gary April 8, 2008 8:49 AM oh dont reach for that one duhng that’s WAY over your head.}}}}

Why are you baiting me with the pinko boogeyman of China, you hideous little troll?

If you libs are so worried about them taking over the United States, then why did you give them all of our nuclear secrets in the 1990s, in between Lewinsky’s, that is.

Begone, wanker.

By Fred

April 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter (much) how much of the world loves us or hates us… it matters how we stick to our principles.

Bush and Cheney have trampled those ideals in the dirt. WE, the proud USA, do not torture, no matter WHAT our enemies do. We, the proud USA, spread lead by example, not by force like our enemies do. We, the proud USA, embrace freedom regardless of the risk or cost, on matter how our enemies may try to harm us.

To Bush and his supporters, such ideals might as well be Martian hieroglyphics. This administration will be a legacy of shame for this great nation.

By Fred

April 8, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter (much) how much of the world loves us or hates us… it matters how we stick to our principles.

Bush and Cheney have trampled those ideals in the dirt. WE, the proud USA, do not torture, no matter WHAT our enemies do. We, the proud USA, lead by example, not by force like our enemies do. We, the proud USA, embrace freedom regardless of the risk or cost, on matter how our enemies may try to harm us.

To Bush and his supporters, such ideals might as well be Martian hieroglyphics. This administration will be a legacy of shame for this great nation.

By William

April 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

…too little to late. If only the press had not been afraid to make the egregious behavior of Satan and Satan’s incubus 6 years ago, maybe the country would not have suffered through 8 years of the abuse and decay

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Hardball: VoteVets Smacks Down McCain Propaganda Pitchman

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

MAYBE, within the next few years the worst of these bumbling neo-cons will finally learn their lesson.

But as evidenced by the airhead talk, and pipe dreams, of Condi as the worthy of being VP, that day still looks a LONG way off.

With a participating role as NSA during the willful deceptions leading up to the botched invasion, and an equally unproductive term as Sec. of State, who in their right mind would even consider this “third rate amateur” as a viable Veep choice?

That’s right, the third rate “conservatives” soon to be, even more on the outside looking in.

Stupid is as stupid does…

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{“We are also brainwashing our children on the warming topic. We have no better example than Al Gore’s alarmists and inaccurate movie which is being shown in our schools and being hawked by warming activists with little or no meteorological-climate background,” Gray wrote.}}}}

To whit:

{{{{New Delhi: Establishing a link between climate change and mental health, the World Health Organisation has said extreme weather conditions like floods, droughts and natural calamities can lead to psychiatric illnesses.}}}}

{{{{Another area is the mental health impact of drought, a likely sequence of climate change. Drought affected farmers can undergo severe mental agony due to financial hardship from increased debt, it said.}}}}

{{{{Drought affects family relationships also leading to stress, worry and an increase in the rate of suicides. It can also lead to isolation and increased workload as fewer workers take on more work, partners move off the farm for additional income or for school needs and families can no longer afford social support.}}}}

Excuse me for a moment while I dry my eyes.

That’s a hell of a stretch to blame every calamity in the world on “global warming,” especially when it is not warming anymore.

By @@

April 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

IN THE (Hussein) NEWS:

McCain on the Housing Crisis?

It would appear as though McCain’s opinion reflects that of the majority.

Fifty-three percent (53%) of Americans say that the federal government should not help out homeowners who borrowed more than they could afford. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 29% disagreed and believed that federal action is appropriate. Seventeen percent (17%) are not sure.

((There is even stronger opposition to federal help for banks that made bad loans. By a 4-to-1 margin (61% to 15%) Americans reject that approach to resolving the current mortgage crisis.))

((Whether it’s bailing out the banks or helping homeowners, Democrats are more supportive of federal action. Still, most Democrats (53%) oppose federal help for banks that made bad loans. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Republicans are opposed along with 64% of those not affiliated with either major party.))

((When it comes to helping homeowners who borrowed more than they could afford, Democrats are evenly divided. Republicans oppose federal assistance by a 67% to 19% margin. Fifty-five percent (55%) of those not affiliated with either party also oppose federal support for those troubled homeowners. Just 24% of the unaffiliated believe federal help is a good idea.))

There was another study about Obama, and what Democrats like about him.

((In other words, he is a charismatic candidate who has made large numbers of Democratic voters —->feel good,<—- and this is —->even more important to them<—- than specific perceptions of him.

What is it with Democrats? Why is it that they look to somebody ELSE to make them feel good?

I’ve also noticed the difference in campaign approaches. The dems wanna engage heart strings. The reps wanna engage logic.

How liberals can give the government their hearts flies in the face of logic.

By w00t

April 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

{{{That’s a hell of a stretch to blame every calamity in the world on “global warming,” especially when it is not warming anymore.}}}

Look at what the drought in Georgia did to landscaping and agricultural jobs. You can’t say that people that lost their jobs weren’t stressed.

Do you really believe that there is no such thing as cause and effect?

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

{{{{By w00t April 8, 2008 10:17 AM Look at what the drought in Georgia did to landscaping and agricultural jobs. You can’t say that people that lost their jobs weren’t stressed. Do you really believe that there is no such thing as cause and effect?}}}}

w00sie: This may come as a huge surprise to you but your’s is not the first generation to have ever suffered a drought, hurricane or tornado.

Ever heard of the dust bowl?

Galveston?

And do tell us, “genius,” what was man doing to harm the environment on Sept. 8, 1900?

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Truthman, at 9:12.

Well said.

For a great musical experience regarding this very concept, check out Todd Rundgren’s “Fascist Christ”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxW4U-SOqN8

By Paul

April 8, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

AJC 8:06

I take it you like Ramirez’s cartoons but don’t think they’re necessarily provocative? How about this one?

Link: [Provocative]*(http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp)

I think he’s a terrific artist, plus a rarity - he’s quite conservative, but will skewer conservatives. Well, Luckovich does the same - he’s quite liberal but will skewer liberals. I kinda think it goes with the job description. Anyway, Ramirez has a vault of past ‘toons at Investors Business Daily.

w00t 8:09

“The blog was acting screwy this morning.”

This is unusual? :-)

IThN 8:13

This Schulz thing could be a problem for Obama. The Rev Wright thing - some will say Obama was a bit slow in recognizing the ramifications, but he did finally condemn the remarks (but not the man). Now we have the Schulz thing - Obama’s campaign (not Obama) condemned the remarks. Yet when the “Hussein” guy intro’d McCain, McCain personally condemned the remarks. There’s a difference there.

Some say Obama will not directly take on the farLeft elements, even when they are clearly wrong, for fear of angering a key constituency (are we back to the money and power thing, again?). McCain’s record shows otherwise - some make the case he’s where he is precisely because he went against interests of farright constituency.

I’d imagine we’ll see this theme played out in the general election.

Your other character attacks on McCain - repeats from yesterday? Again, right out of the far right playbook: can’t beat them on policy issues, go after the family values stuff. I wonder what tactics from the farright the farleft will adopt next.

IThN 8:38

I like what Kaplan has to say about much of defense spending (I thought you derided Kaplan? Well, good on ya’ for linking to him).

But let me make a prediction. Write it down ‘cause I’d love to come back to it in two or three years: If Obama or Hillary wins the Presidency, neither one of them will take on the military spending issues Kaplan outlines. Neither one. They’ll be virtually indistinguishable from a conservative Republican.

I’m gonna love to come back to that and listen to all the “yeah buts.”

IThN 8:48

Ummm, what happened to all those “stop th

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

“To whit?”

You twit.

{{{{Curls}}}}, you almost always fail miserably when you try to pretend you are intelligent.

Cease and desist the charade herewith.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Paul

Glad to have your opinions.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Did you hear Donald Feith’s interview this morning on NPR - he’s promoting his new book?

Just curious about some of your thoughts.

He basically said that he wrote this “Parade of Horrors” memo. In this memo he eerily (and I use that word in a sarcastic tone) predicted every single thing we are seeing right now. He regrets that his supervisors (Rumsfeld and the military) didn’t forsee the calamity scenarios - that, surprise (!) we are seeing today, and if he regretted anything is that he would have pushed the importance of this memo to his superiors (all the while portraying himself as kind of a minor player in all of this - how convenient).

He stopped short of saying that ultimately the Commander in Chief is responsible for any failure (or non-failure) which I found surprising, but either way, in my opinion, Feith is saying that yes, Bush/Rumsfeld, were warned about these scenarios, and either chose to ignore them, or didn’t see them as important - either way, doesn’t speak too highly of Bush’s abilities to be the CIC.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Another thought:

“They’ll be virtually indistinguishable from a conservative Republican”

I think politicians are all virtually indistinguishable from one another. They are all bought wh0res.

How’d ya’ like Battlestar?

Favorite line:

[Scene where Gaius and pretty religious chick are “discussing” things]

Religious chick: “Do you feel the power of God?”

Baltar: “Why yes, I think I do!”

By @@

April 8, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Well lookee here!

My Bobby won a Pulitzer Citation…

A Special Citation to Bob Dylan for his profound impact on popular music and American culture, marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power.

“Keep Your Hand on that Gospel Plow” Bob.

How’d your “HOTS” FOR TODDY do AmVet?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

It’s the Truthiness: Colbert Wins a Peabody

Satirist Stephen Colbert, host of the The Colbert Report, has been awarded the prestigious George Foster Peabody Award in the 67th Annual Peabody Awards competition. The award recognizes Colbert and the The Colbert Report for being “electronic media’s sharpest satirists,” according to a recent press announcement from Comedy Central, which carries the weeknight series.

“I proudly accept this award and begrudgingly forgive the Peabody Committee for taking three years to recognize greatness. On a personal note, I’d like to say that I’ve long been a fan of Mr. Peabody, as well as his boy Sherman,” Colbert said.

The Colbert Report is the third Comedy Central program to receive the honor. Previous winners include Jon Stewart’s” Indecision election-year coverage in 2000 and 2004, as well as a 2005 Peabody Award for the animated series South Park.

The Peabody Awards were announced by the University of Georgia’s Henry W. Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication, which has administered the Peabody Award program since its inception in 1940. The awards ceremony will take place in New York City on June 16.

From the Austin Chronicle

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

@@, you are actually aware of Hot Toddies?

Just another great reason to go to the show!

Dylan’s “You’re a Big Girl Now” is still one of the best love songs ever written IMHO…

By Paul

April 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:48

Ummm, what happened to all those “stop the funding” votes the new Democratic Congress promised to get us out of Iraq, hmmm? So the “right” got us in but the “left” blew the chances to get us out. Pot calling the kettle….

IThN 9:07

That’s what I like about farfarLeft websites: they’re prophetic! They know what’s going to happen before it happens. They do more than predict: they prophecy with certainty! If they offered investment advice they wouldn’t have to rely on advertising – they’d make a fortune!

Prophecy! Who said farfarlefties aren’t religious?

IThN 10:42

And thank you for posting the links. Gives me something to think about.

Oh, regarding the Kaplan interview - I’ve written about it before - you do realize that was Rumsfeld’s mandate at the start of the first administration? He wanted to completely skip the current procurement pipline, cancel the F-22, Joint Strike Fighter, carriers, nuke subs, Army “modernization” - concentrate on technology then apply to new weapons systems not designed around the Cold War model? But he ran into heavy, heavy resistance and there was speculation he was on his way out. Then Iraq intervened and it all went by the wayside.

But I love that a Defense model advocated for an incoming (Democratic) administration is in so many ways derived from the Rumsfeld model.

Bosch,

Gosh, I didn’t. Have a pollen fall problem hitting the pool and was doing cleanup, but I’ll see if there’s a transcript on the website.

Feith’s a complicated guy. He was quite the activist for Iraqi intervention, IMHO. However, his work a couple decades earlier on Geneva Protocol revision would have had the effect of giving nonstate combatants POW status (Reagan didn’t accept it, didn’t like the protection it gave to those who violated humanitarian rules of war). I’ll have to read/listen to the interview. I’m just a tad skeptical based upon my impressions from his work in the Bush administration.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Bosch BSG was great - I laughed out loud at the lines you cited. There’s a three-season recap in eight minutes on the BSG website. IF the writers tie up the loose ends: what about Helo and Sharon’s cylon-human hybrid baby? The scene where Lucy Lawless int the Temple on Kobol saw number 12 and said “Forgive me, I didn’t know…”?

I’ve started watching DVDs from season one (thank heavens for Netflix). Boxy’s out - don’t remember if he faded away or was axed.

Did you see the cast on Letterman before the premiere doing the Top Ten Reasons to watch BSG? Tricia Helfer stepped forward and said “Watch BSG and you might get to see me naked.” The XO, in costume with a three-day beard, eye patch, rumpled clothes shuffled forward and said “Watch BSG and you might get to see me naked.” Then Olmos – Admiral Adama – came forward with the Number One Reason: “Watch me start a war with the Cylon Empire with no plan and no exit strategy.”

Great stuff!

@@ 11:20

Didn’t some say the farLeft’s mischaracterization of McCain’s “more to learn about economics” would come back to bite them with the Dem nominee? Think they’ll start gleefully posting about all the ways in which Obama is so “ignorant” and “dumb” and “not fit to be President?”

And they never saw it coming….

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Paul

AS always thanks for your opinions.

By @@

April 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Obama’s College Trip to Pakistan?

“Knowing the leaders is not important.”

This last part — a college trip to Pakistan — was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn’t hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.

(((So I asked the Obama campaign for more information.)))

(((Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 — the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University — Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend’s family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.)))

A sleep-over is foreign experience?

Okey Dokey! This is getting more interesting everyday.

Duck!!!!! Obama, I’m hearin’ sniper fire from the horizon.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Paul,

The interview is on their website. I didn’t hear the whole thing this morning and listened to it again.

I found especially interesting the excerpt from his book (on the website) - the outline of what this Parable of Horrors memo said. Like I said earlier, if DOD staff like Feith knew these scenarios, it speaks volumes, at least to me. Either he was ignored, or they didn’t care - both scenarios are completely unacceptable.

By getalife

April 8, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Paul,

So you got hammered on the moonshine they call 42 below. These cajuns know how to get hammered. I am glad you had a good time.

@@,

Obama will go last because he is a rookie. How arrogant of him to think he is a foreign policy expert as a rookie.

This will stir them up:

Clinton does not lie but Obama does and gets a free pass.

By @@

April 8, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

AmVet:

THE BEST LOVE SONG TO DATE:

Bryan Adams “Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman?”

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Or another Feith scenario - with his new book, he’s pointing fingers and trying to lay blame on someone else to cover his a$$ - which, of course, is what I think, but anywho……

i saw the BSG Letterman thing on YouTube, i haven’t watched Letterman or any of those shows in years - but yes, Tricia in her red dress - such a tease - I mean we’ve already seen her naked, albeit it straddling a chair that had been turned around.

Boxy? Whose that?

Where is Hera now (Helo and Shannon’s kid)? You just know she’s very important - AND now that we know Chief is a Cylon (with a son, no less) his and I can’t think of his wife name’s son is going to be important too! Interesting.

Anyway, off to a meeting - which, in my opinion are the most worthless waste of time humanly possible - called by people with nothing to do but talk and try to make themselves feel important because they need that in their lives.

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

@@, kinda campy, but I too liked it.

Adams and Joe Cocker did some really great stuff together.

BTW from someone who knew a thing or three about love songs, Frank Sinatra - the greatest love song ever written was, George Harrison’s “Something”.

By getalife

April 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

This is the best love song

By Paul

April 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

getalife

They know how to cook, too. Just got a turkey from LaBoucherie for my dad’s birthday - TurPorKen - whole turkey, deboned but keeps the original shape, layered with wild rice and pecans, with - pork and chicken, in layers. Great looking seasoning on the outside.

BTW - your link - tacit admission “the media” exhibits bias? Saturday Night Live writers seem to think so (Hillary was great on her guest appearance).

Bosch

Forgot about Chief’s child. Boxy was in the first season - one of the kids rescued by Sharon when they crashed on Caprica. In the original series he was Jane Seymour’s son - she had a thing with Apollo.

Fieth, I’ll have to look into more. But my strong remembrance is he was one of the “let’s look at the intel this way” guys and in the Perle - Wolfowitz cabal. But hey, go for the book deals while you can still make a buck -

By getalife

April 8, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Paul,

They take a big metal syringe, inject hot cajun spices and deep fry the turkey.

Great and juicy.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

getalife - AmVet - @@

I’ll see you and raise one: my entry for best (tragic) love song, ever:

Link: Best Tragic Love Song Ever

By GreenJeans

April 8, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Good morning all:

I’m compelled to respond to Ray at 8:42; just checking in and sorry for the late post.

“Why are you so convinced that the world out there has some love for us? They don’t!”

I disagree. In the last five years I’ve travelled to the Dominican Republic, Finland, Russia, Switzerland, England, France and Germany. My good friends in Pakistan, Thailand, Greece, New Zealand and Canada pretty much confirm my experience abroad: People in the world DO love the USA, the concept of the American Dream. They love us especially when we are at our best - trustworthy leadership, honest brokerage, generous exporters of goodwill.

Are there people who hate the US for those same things? Sure. Jealousy? Sure. But the whole world out there is not our enemy, and it compromises our presige to base dialogue and expectations on such a pitifully low level.

A great litmus test for myself is to realize how many people in this world would trade places with me.

“What will it take for you to believe that we are war with a determined enemy who wants our head on a pole?”

Three things off of the top of my head: 1)a Draft; 2)Real, shared sacrifice, including: 3)A war tax.

“Will it take a dirty bomb in some shopping center to convince you?”

Ray, I’m already convinced that there are crazy, evil people in the world. But if your issue is about war, then just a country-wide effort that doesn’t place all of the responsibility on the troops would be enough.

“And you people have the right to vote!!”

If by “you people” you mean fellow American citizens who don’t share your opinion, then yes and thank God for it.

“I wish it was not for my future.”

As many folks on the Right are fond of saying, love it or leave it. So if things get too uncomfortable for you in the USA, take a look at the list of foreign countries above.

I’ve got friends who will change places with you in a heartbeat.

By @@

April 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

AmVet:

Campy?…..CAMPY?

When you love a woman

You tell her that —->she’s really wanted<—-

When you love a woman

You tell her that —->she’s the one<—-

She needs somebody

To tell her that —->it’s gonna last forever<—-

You gotta breath her

Really taste her

To you can feel her in your blood

Then —->when you can see your unborn children in her eyes<—-

You know you really love a woman

vs. “Something?”

You’re asking me will my love grow

—->I don’t know, I don’t know<—-

You stick around now it may show

—->I don’t know, I don’t know<—-

You’ve got a problem with commitment don’tcha AmVet?

Getalife & Paul are just weird!

Men! Thppppbbbttt….

MovingON….

Since the topic is Star Wars, I couldn’t resist:

So what is Obama talking about? Dr. James Jay Carafano, Senior Research Fellow at the Heritage Foundation says “Who knows?” He explains that “strike force” is “very amorphous- it has no precise definition.”

P-R-E-C-I-S-E-L-Y!!!!!!!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

John McCain’s campaign is lashing out at a shocking new report (first revealed here on Monday) of his red-faced, expletive-laden tirade aimed at his wife….another nugget from Cliff Schecter’s new book The Real McCain,Perhaps the most remarkable story of McCain’s temper involved Arizona Congressman Rick Renzi. Two former reporters covering McCain, one who witnessed the following events and one who confirmed the facts provided by the first, relayed it to me as follows: In 2006, the Arizona Republican congressional delegation had a strategy meeting. McCain repeatedly addressed two new members, congressmen Trent Franks and Rick Renzi, as ‘boy.’ Finally, Renzi, a former college linebacker, rose from his chair and said to McCain, “You call me that one more time and I’ll kick your old a*.” McCain lunged at Renzi, punches were thrown, and the two had to be physically separated……….Anecdotes like these would stand out as highly abnormal if it weren’t for McCain’s history of similarly explosive behavior. As Washingtonian magazine documented (and Schecter notes in the book), McCain once “scuffled” with the Senate’s then oldest member, Strom Thurmond, during a Senate Armed Service Committee hearing in January 1995. Three years later, the Associated Press article reported that McCain dropped F-Bombs on at least three fellow Republicans. ………………..”I’m calling you a f——— jerk!” he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley………….And in a opinion piece last year on Salon.com, Sidney Blumenthal, now an adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, wrote that McCain once told Sen. Ted Kennedy to “shut up” on the Senate Floor, referred to a fellow Republican as a “s** head” and offered a downright vicious and doubly-offensive joke in 1998 Republican fundraiser about then first daughter Chelsea Clinton.

By @@

April 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

IN THE (INSANE) NEWS:

I gotta tell ‘ya….

That 12:30 was a long one, but I’m not impressed.

Raw

Story?

I’m outta here ‘til later.

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Jeez, Louise!

I knew the use of that word (campy) was risky but I had no idea!!!

And I said I liked the song!

What gives? Amongst all of my innumerable faults, I am still a romantic at heart!

Commitment phobic, perhaps… (grin)

getalife and Paul,

You know I like both of you, but must confess that more than ever before, I am concerned for you two!

Actually both were great!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

@@

Thanks for your opinion.

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

ITN,

I can’t corroborate this but from what I remember of the video, I thought the Zuni rocket was fired from an F4 clear across the flight deck and struck the plane next to McCain’s, igniting both of them.

I don’t believe there was an airplane “behind” either of those.

By Gladiator

April 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

(CNN) — Barack Obama continues to chip away at Hillary Clinton’s lead in the crucial state of Pennsylvania, a new Quinnipiac poll out Tuesday shows.

The New York senator’s lead over Obama now stands at 6 points in the new poll, 50-44 percent. That compares to the 9 point lead Clinton held in a similar survey released 5 days ago, and an 11 point lead in a Quinnipiac survey late last month.

Specifically, Clinton has lost ground among white voters and men: She now holds an 18 point lead among whites, down from a 25 point gap in last week’s poll, and trails Obama by 4 points among males. Last week, the two drew equal support from men.

But Clinton continues to remain strong with her core voting bloc of older voters and white women, and likely Pennsylvania Democratic voters rate her more favorably than Obama — 71 percent for Clinton and 67 percent for Obama.

With the latest Quinnipiac poll, CNN’s poll of several recent surveys show Clinton’s lead over Obama in Pennsylvania now averages 6 percentage points. That gap is 1 point less than Monday’s poll of polls and 5 points less than a CNN poll of polls on Friday.

What’s behind the shift?

“Obama has outspent Hillary Clinton three to one just on television advertising in Pennsylvania. He spent more than $3 million trying to get his name out and his message out to Hillary Clinton’s $1 million,” said Mark Preston, a CNN political editor.

The Illinois senator has also heavily benefited from the Service Employees International Union, which according to recently filed FEC reports has spent well over $700,000 on get-out-the-vote-efforts there.

From: CNN Ticker Producer Alex Mooney Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton

By Paul

April 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

IThN 12:40

You’ve obviously never spent any time around fighter pilots. Particularly Navy fighter pilots. Let’s just say they have a slightly different view of “fun” than most “normal” people. But to cite this as an example of “instability” is, well… that’s what happens when you have sheltered uberlibs running web sites.

AmVet

Thanks. But you still should be concerned..

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

AMvet,

You may be right…I have only recently heard of this incident, and viewed several grainy old videos.

What concerns me is the involvement of the 2 senior McCains and the GOP’s apparent use of info in the past against the Senator.

I’m still looking….

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Actually Paul, I have spent a lot of time with fighter pilots….my dad flew out of New Guinea in WWII, was a member of the occupational forces in Japan and walked thru the wreckage of Nagasaki 6 weeks after “Fat Man” was dropped.

You should hear him talk about George H.W. Bush leaving his comrades in his plane after ditching…..

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

{{{{By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS April 8, 2008 11:06 AM While David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker make their latest appearance before Congress to wax poetic on the success of the “surge,” let’s take a few moments to look at the role the media plays in enabling these mouthpieces for George Bush to peddle their fairy tales.}}}}

DHIMMINEWS: For you to peddle some crap like this shows what a true POS you really are.

Denigrating the brave men and women of the United States Armed Forces is an act of pure cowardice, reserved for only the most vile of maggots.

You filthy little maggot.

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

ITN, I too think something is rotten in Denmark vis a vis McCain never really pushing back against the administration over their horrific treatment of him in the 2000 SC campaign.

Seemed very odd to me and strangely out of character.

Perhaps they do have something on him…

Paul, remind me NEVER to use the word campy again!

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Paul,

“But my strong remembrance is he was one of the “let’s look at the intel this way” guys and in the Perle - Wolfowitz cabal. But hey, go for the book deals while you can still make a buck”

Exactly and point the fingers while you can to cover your a$$ - but your too nice to say stuff like that :-)

Boxy - nope doesn’t ring a bell. Must have been drunk during that one.

I didn’t watch the old show, only a couple of episodes, not enough to know what was going on - I just remember Lorne Greene, and Dirk Benedict (wasn’t he Starbuck?). Dirk Benedict, what a great actor - I’m laughing now to myself.

Hey RW if you are around later - Eating some more great catfish sushi! I’ll take it easy on the wasabi this time.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Little Ricky @ 1:12

Thanks for your opinion.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

I’m sorry, I can’t resist, but I saw this in a blog once about greatest love songs of all time - writer posted:

“Nine Inch Nails - ‘Closer’”

After I spit coffee all over my keyboard, I smiled on the inside.

By Jesus

April 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By getalife

April 8, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Clinton: “It’s Time to Begin The Orderly Process of Removing Our Troops”

Now that is leadership.

Iraq has a $60 billion surplus.

WTF? Stop giving them welfare and spend on our country.

By Gary

April 8, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

the cartoon: shouldn’t Uncle Sam be saying, “Puttin’ on the Ritz” ?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Oh and BTW Little Ricky

By Paul

April 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

IThN

I trust your dad wasn’t affected by the residual radiation. I have to admit I’m amazed, though, that the shoot-down experience of an obscure pilot, stationed on a carrier, where he was the only survivor, could generate such stories throughout the theater by people who “know.”

Do ya really think the Navy would have awarded him the Distinguished Flying Cross, his shipmates would have warmly welcomed him back and he’d be welcomed at reunions if there was a scintilla of truth to such stories?

Here’s a Navy-affiliated site’s version:

Link: Pres Bush Shoot-Down

It’s a bit sad that in response to a comment like “fighter pilots have a little bit different personality and view of fun than other people” you’d pick a 20-year old scandal as an example. Sad.

After all the anger directed at the SwiftBoat types I expected different -

By Goldie

April 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

McBush wants to continue the Bush-Cheney policies for another 4 years — which means if McBush gets elected, ole Uncle Sam will be totally unrecognizable after 4 more years…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

April 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Paul

I always welcome your opinion.

By Midori

April 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

So, what’s today’s lesson boys and girls?

Never, EVER, bring up discrepancies about a Bush’s questionable military service.

You just prove that you’re a wild-eyed, swiftboating liberal by doing so.

Only wingnuts can criticize someone’s service, whether the serviceman/woman is on the right, left or middle. Got it???

By Midori

April 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

So, what’s today’s lesson boys and girls?

Never, EVER, bring up discrepancies about a Bush’s questionable military service.

You just prove that you’re a wild-eyed, swiftboating liberal by doing so.

Only wingnuts can criticize someone’s service, whether the serviceman/woman is on the right, left or middle. Got it???

By Paul

April 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Midori

I believe my point was that it’s unacceptable for either side.

Kerry: I’ve said the Navy gave him the awards after an investigation to determine worthiness. Case closed.

Current Bush: the “AWOL” stuff - I’m of the opinion that those who charge that are, in effect, accusing his superiors of making false official statement, dereliction of duty, plus one or two other crimes.

“Side” doesn’t matter. It’s the tactic to which I object.

By Midori

April 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

So, what’s today’s lesson boys and girls?

Never, EVER, bring up discrepancies about a Bush’s questionable military service.

You just prove that you’re a wild-eyed, swiftboating liberal by doing so.

Only wingnuts can criticize someone’s service, whether the serviceman/woman is on the right, left or middle. Got it???

By Bruce, Colorado Springs

April 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

“I wonder if that has anything to do with me not being filled with rage and hating the United States, like you do?”

I can’t speak for Mike, but I don’t hate the United States. I DO hate Bush and Cheney.

I’m retired from the US Air Force.

By getalife

April 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Well, w finally shed some tears on the fallen Naval Seal at his cremony.

Well done CNN.

By Bosch

April 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

They have released the names of two people whose remains were found at Ground Zero, and were finally identified. I can only hope their families can find some peace in that.

I read in the article that more than 40% of the 2749 people who died at Ground Zero have yet to be identified. That is unbelieveable.

By Gary

April 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

The greatest love song? That’s easy. The one I wrote: Key of G, 3/4 time 4 bars/measure…………

“I’m going through the motions of shivering, but I dont feel the cold. I dont really laugh so easy now, but I dont feel so old. You do me. Right through me. So dont be so blind. I’m just a man who needs a girl who needs a man around. I’m just a guy who doesn’t care if she’s a hang-around. You just go right through me. Right through to my heart.

Fiddle here, in C 3/4 time

Now for the bridge: aw, it stinks, doesn’t it? nevermind.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Gary

I think you’re gonna fit right in around here -

By N-GA

April 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I believe Fieth intends to donate the book proceeds to a fund he & his wife created to help veterans.

Still don’t like him…or the people he hangs out with. This also suggests that being smart doesn’t automatically qualify someone to play such a significant role in government policy.

In point of fact, I believe it supports the notion that groups will take more risks than individuals. When several people in this administration met shortly after 9/11, they were more than willing to support actions that they may have avoided as individuals. It sure seems that way when each has been given a chance to examine the events (in hindsight, of course) leading up to the Iraq invasion. They seem to absolve themselves of any complicity while blaming others, either directly or indirectly. And I’m not sure that any of them have yet to say that the invasion was wrong.

By Mohammed

April 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

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By Mohammed

April 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

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By AmVet

April 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Please people!

Help stamp out and eliminate redundancy.

By Voice of Truth

April 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Bush and Cheney are a couple of mangy flea-bitten s-hit eating mutts.

It’s like Andy is running the country. A nightmare.

By ConSerVatiVe

April 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

AMVET Exactly so stop posting the same crap everyday then

By Gary

April 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Desert Storm. If you were paying attention in 1991, the whole country was debating why George Bush Sr. didn’t waltz into baghdad and finish the country off.

Here is the conclusion the whole country came to: The balance of power was more important than any personal vendetta against saddam and his stupid republican guard. Iran needed an anti-Iran. Iraq.

Then, when you looked further at why Iraq was not a good country to occupy, (10K year old civil war), you suddenly realized what a great president George Bush Sr. truly was.

We are stuck there. We cant leave. Ever. Just get used to it, sir.

When it finally dawns on the country about the truth of Iraq, cheney and bush will have to exile themselves. People will be THAT angry.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I suppose everyone has to do penance in their own way.

Saw a PBS repeat a couple weeks ago while on a trip - the runup to the war. Powell came across as trying to put the brakes on - but Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, that crowd - were pressing. The Afghan campaign - CIA op, DoD was woefully unprepard - Bush put CIA in charge, then Rumsfeld/DoD got the responsibility shifted. Another opportunity missed. But back to Powell - very rarely do you find someone who will stand up to a group and say “hold it.” I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if part of the reason for his silence since leaving is - regret.

AmVet

Please, NEVER use “campy” again.

And while you’re at it, same goes for “redundancy.”

Gary

Like I said…

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Touché at 4:47!

But alas, your nom de guerre gives you away, you filthy cur!

I’ll explain, and I’ll use small words so that you’ll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Like fishing with dynamite…

By Mark A Tarnowski

April 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Pretty vile for a family newspaper

By Bill

April 8, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

What a predictably pathetic performance by Petraeus & Crocker. talking in lying circles and riddles in order to cover Bush-Cheney’s dirtywork and preserve Petraeus’s military career. Supported by a cast of Republiscum congressional traitors. Words of heroics and successes amidst enormous failures which HAD to be and which began well before the first shot was ever fired. And the ignorant, naive, unwashed, patriotism-spouting Repug masses swallow this swill even as the US spirals down into the sewer of failure in every measurable manner. Quite a world you Bush-freaks have created for us all. The lot of you should be…hanged in public.

By TW

April 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Gary - well said. Even this guy agreed…before he disagreed…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzGGS6GXVIY&feature=related

By TW

April 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Dick Cheney 1994 – “The question was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth…and our judgment was not very many…”

Unless there’s good coin to be made, huh, DICK?

By Gary

April 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

That’s exactly right Paul. The CIA had Bin Laden and all his top people totally at bay. All they needed was the army, which Rummy refused to commit despite W’s orders to attack. A whole month was lost as Cheney held Rummy back.

But why? Cheney is not traitor nor is Rummy, that’s ridiculous. No, the reason is worse than mere traitors.

The reason we didn’t avenge 911 was that if we had, then Mission Accomplished would have been real. The American people would have insisted we stop the fighting and just come home.

No Iraq War if Bin Laden is captured. No way. Impossible. No Iraq War if we had destroyed Al Queda in Afghanistan.

That’s why I say that when the truth is finally realized, Cheney and W will have to hide.

Wait! But what if Iraq suddenly surrenders and turns American and free and there really is a democratic island in the middle east which influences it’s neighbors to play nice and peace breaks out over there?

Well, then Cheney and Bush get a ticker tape parade and I will have to go into hiding, and 10K years of history will have been a stinking lie.

Another point: what if Iraq wants to convert to christianity? Embarrassment! Why? because we dont even believe in christ any more. We all have our own spin about christianity and none of it has anything to do with christ, but rather the money changers he whipped at the temple. “Take that you rat. Take that! and That!” (whip sounds inserted here).

Camera to money changers at the temple all bloody and begging christ to stop, “please, christ, stop whipping me, I’m just doing my job, how else can pilgrims sacrifice goats if I dont exchange their foreign currency for temple money?”

“Take that and that!” (more whip sounds)

Camera to disciples, “Hey hey, I think he gets the message, Christ, knock it off already, yes, money is evil, we all get it, they’re desicrating sacred ground and it’s an affront to truth and righteousness, okay, you made your point, put the whip down, the roman soldiers are starting to notice, ixnay on the ipwhay.”

“Take that and that and this and that” (insert furious whipping as christ really starts getting the hang of it)

Camera to money changers, passed out in a pile. blood everywhere. their wives crying and screaming for a halt to the whipping. The

By Paul

April 8, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

AmVet 5:12

“you warthog faced buffoon”

Did you mean the animal or the AF attack jet with the 30mm Gatling in the nose?

Bill,

So I take it you’re neither an Obama nor a McCain supporter?

Gary,

Haven’t we been over this before? The troop request (800 Rangers) went from the CIA people on the ground to the CENTCOM Commander - General Franks (you know, the guy who retired a month after we invaded Iraq. Ever wonder why?). It was not a “Bush/Cheney ordered Rummy who refused and…” thing. DoD had taken over, they were doing their own thing with paying off warlords and minimizing casualties.

I’d stopped reading after the first paragraph to write this. I just read the rest of the post. Never mind….

By MorningStar

April 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

@@ April 7, 2008 6:33 PM | It looks like Morningstar is one of those obnoxious woodpeckers who can’t hear due to the noise he, himself makes. I’m gettin’ my BB gun - see if I can take out his next of kin. J/K!

It’s too late in the day for a Morningstar to appear….most of the time: However, today’s an exception….the wave or gravity and atmosphere exempts my appearance…. also the problems of students exposed to the horrific opinions/pontifications/opinions/regurtations from the mouths of horrible ones……PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT! We are woodpeckers, robins, crows, doves, deer, o’possum, racoon and other unspected species who only wish to make the world more beautiful!!! We don’t believe we’re the only ones who will inherit the “streets of gold.” Some would question why we would wish to have trees in the otherlife. I suppose those would prefer ‘Gold’….what do you expect from the wingnuts….If it ain’t the bucks; it ain’t nothin! Go for the GOLD wingnuts; also the BB guns and other arsenol…

By Ralph

April 8, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

G.H.W. Bush’s cowardice at Chichi Jima is totally accurate and noted in numerous official Naval reports, to say nothing of those who flew with him. To 96 pairs of searching eyes saw no smoke, let alone fire, from his cockpit. Onlt that he abandoned to crewmates, saved himself, and the plane went inverted the moment Bush jumped/fled. 14 enlisted sailors aboard the Sub signed a petition (dangerous stuff for a Naval enlisted guy)complaining about Bush’s attempting to run back and forth in the cramped sub, while making “animal noises - especially elephant sounds” and acting “like a childish frat boy.” (sic). In during Bush’s admin his photo was hung face-to-the-wall at nearly every NAS. Been there, seen it. All this evidence and hard history is readily available to the public. Books, articles, quotations written by his peers. He survived solely due to his father’s influence at the WW II time. He should have spent 5 years in Leavenworth. Been there - it would have been appropriate for him. You little people can NEVER deal with truth or history. G.H.W. Bush himself excuses his cowardice with “I was just a scared kid….” (sic). Digest that, couch-cowards.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

I went to the store and the Kool-Aid was sold out -

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Paul, many years ago (probably when I was pulling “extra duty” somewhere) I saw a PR photo of an A-10 with all of it’s armaments laid on the tarmac in a semi-circle around it.

Truly incredible…

By Midori

April 8, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

careful there, Ralph — your wild eyes are showing :)

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Does anyone else notice that the closer we get to victory and success in Iraq, the more agitated and angry the kandy as-s kowards become?

{{{{By Bill April 8, 2008 5:15 PM Quite a world you Bush-freaks have created for us all. The lot of you should be…hanged in public.}}}}

Oooh, you poor little thing.

No more American cities in flames and we aren’t scampering away from the battle field like gutless wonder weaklings, like you libs did in Vietnam.

Once again America is an honorable country and that must really suck for you spineless.

Good.

By @@

April 8, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I know you tire of me asking, but did Stratfor send “A Mystery In The Middle East” through e-mail?

It centers around the facility (nuclear?) hit in Syria, September 2007.

Israel’s gearing up for somethin’, and we’re sayin’ nut’n about it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

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I never tire of you asking. I did not receive it (I have to go to a separate site as I use a standalone email account for such things - has a very good spam filter - keeps my main email account clean) - last I received was (I think a reprint) of Media Bias.

So I went to the Stratfor site and will continue reading it when I post this.

Saw a piece on last night’s news - small Israeli company, made up of linguists and intel types. Monitor Jihadist web sites, notify foreign gov’ts of impending attacks. Not just notify - they get paid. But it’s likely less per notice than we’d have to pay as a signing bonus for a linguist. If we had any!

By Glenn

April 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Amvet,

I once saw that same photo, or one just like it, framed on the wall of the Undersecretary for Procurement. It was as daunting as you say—-especially to a civilian suit. Like the Gibraltars of the Air, those ugly little things. If the B-17 of yore was the Flying Fortress, the Warthog is a flying arsenal. God pity the poor souls below. (Pity them later, that is.)

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Uh-oh, it look’s like Ku Klux Rodham may win the dimokrat nomination after all:

{{{{Obama Calls for Talks with Iran over Iraq}}}}

Excerpts from Obambi’s news conference:

“Look y’all, we have turned the Shiite majority government of Iraq against the Shiite stooges of Iran and they are steady kicking your as-ses out of their country. Seems like this is the time that we must surrender to you, after all, we are spineless as hell and surrendering is all we know how to do. Plus it will help my poll numbers against McBushie.”

“Which one of you ragheads do we turn ourselves over to?”

“Say,have you heard my preacher yet, he hates Jews too.”

By Paul

April 8, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

AmVet

I’ve seen’em at airshows. Wicked. Read their Vulcan gun (always come up with the coolest names) can cover an area the size of a football field in about three seconds.

AF was talking of retiring them prior to Desert Storm. Had plans for (get this) an F-16 variant.

Real world experience put the kabosh on that idea. AF may tolerate them but the ground guys love’em.

By @@

April 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

MorningStar:

Alright little fella. You can have your trees and nature for the little critters to enjoy.

I’m rather fond of crows.

I must confess, I killed a snake once. I was trying to urge it into the grass, but my hysterical neighbor (female) was screaming KILL IT…KILL IT, so I cut off its head. The body curled up leaving the head about six inches detached.

A horrible storm came up. Water rushed down the slope of the driveway onto the snake. The head kept raising up like it was trying to avoid the water. My daughter and I cried and cried. I asked my husband (who hates snakes) to do something….

“SAVE IT” I said, “he’s drowning.”

“Which part do you want me to save?” said my husband - “the head, the body where the lungs are, or the six inches that separates the two?”

By Paul

April 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

@@

Did you whack him, too?

:-)

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

The AC-130 Spectre, so called “Puff the Magic Dragon,” is head and shoulders above the A-10, not to knock the A-10 at all.

I’ve seen the A-10 30MM cannon at work (Bbbbrrrrraaaaaaappppppppp) up close and personal, pretty damn cool.

By Gary

April 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

The only person talkin’ ‘bout surrendering is Duhng. Notice?

Our answer to Surrender Monkey Duhng: “NUTS”!

By @@

April 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Naahhhhh. He grounds me. Another story?

Working on a fundraiser for the school. Setting up a Halloween carnival in the middle of nowhere.

I’m away from the others and I hear a squealing sound. I go to investigate. It’s a snake who’s in the process of swallowing a bird. I run to get the others calling for help. They, in a panic, run to meet me. I show them the snake and ask the guys to do something. Their response?

“How would you like it if somebody snatched your lunch?” another said…

“Man that’s so cool, I’ve never actually seen a snake feed.”

Men!

Thppppbbbbbt!

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Glenn, funny how great minds think alike!

I also thought, Holy Shiite! I wouldn’t want to be looking up and seeing one of those things coming at me with bad intentions!

One of the more enjoyable parts of serving was the occasional air show.

Got to see up close and board a number of different aircraft I was not use to seeing.

But by far the craziest flight line experience I ever had was one night in England, I had to go work on a “special” plane parked way at the other end of the runway where practically NOBODY ever goes.

An AP stood over me with an M16 the entire time I was in the cockpit, and even I knew that these planes had some, shall we say, extra powerful weapons aboard.

Pretty intimidating for a lowly NCO…

By Gary

April 8, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

The Basra offensive by the Sadr militia is about black market oil.

Oil. Iran is leading the fight with arms, advisors, and command personell.

It’s a defacto regional war now over a precious and scarce resource, folks, and that’s a worst case scenario. How guarded Petreas was. Man, the one thing we can be sure of is the duhng doesn’t have any idea what’s happening in Basra. Feel pity for a fool, folks.

By Paul

April 8, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

@@

LOL! Got to the first comment I thought “Guys! Yes!”

My thought was “Leave the snake alone. When was the last time a snake cr*pped on your car?”

AmVet

Mildenhall?

By Mel

April 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Ralph, you are extremely correct on older Bush’s experience & record. It’s all there - just hafta search.

Ajc mgt/homo-duh, et al: Such a sick little runt you are. America? Honorable? Today? TODAY? You jest.

By John Kerry

April 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness for AmVet. There’s finally someone who drones on about his service time more than I.

By @@

April 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Well my BB gun……

Kowish kowish kowish kowish kowish

That’s ^^^ the pump and then……

PING!!!!

Man oh man!

By MorningStar

April 8, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

By @@ April 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this MorningStar . My daughter and I cried and cried. I asked my husband (who hates snakes) to do something

I detect a note of compassion. I must admit I too have attempted to kill rattlesnakes and copperheads. Rat snakes and those little green creatures (garden snakes I think we call them here) whatever you call them, may have the run of the place. I tried to kill a copperhead once when I was about 12 years old; whacked the head, broke the garden hoe, ran screaming back to the house……oh well……my 5’ Mom to the rescue again….hummmmmmmm

By Gary

April 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

How did Memphis lose the championship? Let me count the ways.

Elizabeth Barrett B-Ball.

By Glenn

April 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

@@,

When I was a little boy I had a pet owl, Mr. Who. Very much like the Elf Owl of the Southwest, only not a burrower. He liked to perch in my bookshelf above my juvenile desk.

Anyway, Mr. Who required regular feedings of raw meat and bones, skin, feathers, etc. But he’d been domesticated a bit too much to make his own kill, so it was my appointed duty to shoot a songbird for him once a week. My ammunition, BB’s, was provided for this purpose, so I hadn’t yet had the experience of defraying the military budget out of my own allowance. In weeks when my aim was amiss I had to improvise. I found that Mr. Who would accept a lizard, and eat a freshly slain snake con gusto. A bit like the Aquila on the Mexican ensign.

To Mr. Who at least, snake meat really did taste like chicken. I agree with the post-prandial rule, though. Kill ‘em digesting. I don’t know that he ever tried foie gras, but I do know that Mr. Who preferred his reptile stuffed.

By Bill

April 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

Say there, @@! (Snake Man) So happy you’ve finally found something you can deal with and derive pleasure from. Bout time.

By AmVet

April 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

RAF Bentwaters.

A couple of years after I left, there was a truly bizarre incident that happened in Rendlesham Forest, which bordered the base.

Two APs were dispatched to investigate a suspicious light. The story goes that it was a UFO!!

Google it for one helluva laugh!

By getalife

April 8, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Interesting day.

We learned there is no end in sight, Iraq has 60 billion surplus from oil and they admit the enemy is not even in Iraq.

Then they cut away to show w crying.

They should try him so we can really see him crying.

By @@

April 8, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

(((Mr. Who preferred his reptile stuffed.)))

Fuzzy snakes?

By AJC Management

April 8, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

One of the funniest things I ever saw:

We were humping around Fort Hunter Ligget, which is an army proving ground for experimental weapons, and we snuck into one of the test ranges because it had a wooden outhouse and after several days in the woods, the damn thing looked like a palace. All it had was some holes cut in a wooden plank but it had a circular exhaust fan on one end, so it didn’t stink that bad and we were like “kings for a day.”

It just so happened that they were testing the Vulcan anti helicopter gun that day, which was basically a 40MM gatling type cannon mounted on an M113 APC with a radar dish on the back.

So we stuck around to watch the show.

So here comes this target drone flying in and the soldiers with the Vulcan switched it on when it started getting in range. Well, the Vulcan didn’t pay the target drone no mind, it spun around 180 degrees and laid waste to the outhouse that we had been sitting in just a few minutes ago. It apparently got a hard on for the spinning blades of that exhaust fan and proceeded to rain death and destruction upon it’s as-s.

Meanwhile, the drone went flying by unmolested, at least until it crashed into the hillside over yonder.

Needless to say, there were a bunch of grown men reduced to tears from all the laughter.

The soldiers loaded the old Vulcan up and took it back to the drawing board.

By Gary

April 8, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Duhng, the same thing happened to me.

I lived on an airforce base and I’d hang out on the runways all the time. Once I saw a T-38 landing right into the path of a goonie bird taking off. The gooney was about 50 feet in the air maybe more, and it did a complete wing to ground bank to avoid this Trainer. The engines growled and roared as loud as I ever heard. It missed by a ch, if you know what I mean. I told my dad about it and he was mad that I was that close to the runway.

Okay, now the good part. So I sees this outhouse, and they were testing a new weapon, I think it was the h-bomb but I’m not sure, anyway, when that outhouse went up, it radiated the whole air base for 40K years and everyone died. but I’m okay, just this little twitch….nyick nycick

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…too little too late. If only the press had not been afraid to make known the egregious behavior of Satan and Satan’s incubus 6 years ago, maybe the country would not have suffered through 8 years of this abuse and decay…

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