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Benchmark for progress

By Mike Luckovich | Friday, March 28, 2008, 07:18 AM

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By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

The libs used to whine about Maliki being a tool of “Iran:”

{{{{“We call on our brothers in the Iraqi army and the brave national police not to be tools of death in the hands of the new dictatorship,” Sadrist lawmaker Falah Shanshal said.}}}}

{{{{Demonstrators in the northern Baghdad neighborhood of Kazimiyah called al-Maliki a “new dictator” as they carried a coffin bearing a crossed-out picture of the U.S.-backed prime minister, who belongs to a rival political party. A sea of people also rallied in Sadr City, Baghdad’s main Shiite district.}}}}

{{{{Sadrist lawmakers in Baghdad issued a strongly worded statement demanding a halt to the military operations and appealing to Iraqi security forces to stand down.-Urinal}}}}

Now they whine because he’s fixing to stomp the Iranian backed Mahdi army.

So which is it, pinkos?

Having it both ways?

Circular idiocy in Pinkoville.

~~~~~

{{{{What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: “Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy.” Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. “She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself.” Then she turned to his wounds. “She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood.”}}}}

{{{{Made me laugh. It was like the voice of the people answering back. This guy knows that what Mrs. Clinton said is sort of crazy. He seems to know her reputation for untruths. He seemed to be saying, “I get it.”-Noonan}}}}

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{{{{No more apologizing. Now comes the euphoria, the liberation, the freedom of … Bosnian snipers! Suddenly, liberals all over are remembering that they never really liked the Clintons, even as they defended them in the 1990s. Suddenly, they can sidle into a discussion about Mrs. Clinton’s ethics, and all on a subject that (bonus!)

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 28, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

A CORRECTION

EXCLUSIVE: McCain’s Foreign Affairs Speech 1996 Address By Adm. Timothy Ziemer (UPDATED) UPDATE: It appears that Ziemer’s speech may have been plagiarized from McCain. According to the McCain campaign, the senator used these lines before Ziemer — in 1995. We regret the error.

UPDATE: As a blog that strives to maintain credibility and transparency, we would like to explain our mistake. When we were alerted to the tip that Adm. Ziemer gave a similar speech in 1996, we searched LexisNexis and McCain’s campaign site for whether the senator used the disputed phrases before that time. We did not find anything. After we published the post, the McCain campaign contacted us and pointed to a speech given by the senator in 1995, which appears on McCain’s Senate site. As soon as we were alerted to the error, we rushed to publish a correction. Once again, we regret the error.

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

{{{{Confronted by Stahl with the fact some prominent people, including the nation’s vice president, are not convinced that global warming is man-made, Gore responds: “You’re talking about Dick Cheney. I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view, they’re almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat,” says Gore. “That demeans them a little bit, but it’s not that far off,” he tells Stahl.}}}}

Notice how we have no evidence or facts to the contrary but instead we are inundated with childish immaturity and hysterical accusations, the standard debate tactics of the environmental terrorists.

Idiots talking in language understood by idiots, if you want to boil it down.

Who is it that says the debate is “settled?”

Those unable to argue their own point?

{{{{Gore’s campaign to make the world more aware of man’s role in global warming won him the Nobel Peace Prize last year. He donated the $750,000 prize money to The Alliance for Climate Protection, the non-profit >>>he started<<< to help him on his quest.}}}}

He “donated” the money to hisself, yeah, there you go.

Geez, only a pinko could fall for such blatant bullsh!t.

{Can you say “fraud?”)

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{{{{“We will fight all the elements that are smuggling oil and threaten security. A comprehensive plan has been put in place to end the unacceptable situation that threatens Basra and Iraq’s security,” Dabbagh told Reuters.}}}}

{{{{Two of Iraq’s most powerful Shi’ite factions, the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council and followers of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, and Fadhila, a smaller Shi’ite party, are fighting for power in Basra.}}}}

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{{{{Everyone else in the media is pounding Hillary Clinton for her tale, now shown to be fanciful, of dodging bullets on a Bosnian tarmac as first lady. But if you’re looking for the best recent example of the lengths Mrs. Clinton will go to win the Democratic Presidential nod, consider that last week in Philadelphia she used Joe and Valerie Wilson as campaign props.}}}}

{{{{So in order to blunt Mr. Obama’s attacks over Iraq, Mrs. Clinton has resorted to relying on the word of someone w

By Copyleft

March 28, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

I like how tiny Bush is getting. Hee-hee!

By the way… The science IS settled, and only a few uninformed flat-earthers are still denying it. Gore was too kind in his remarks about Darth Cheney.

By reebok

March 28, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

When the violence in Iraq increases, it means we’re winning, because the ‘dead-enders’ are in their ‘last throes.’ When the violence in Iraq stabilizes, it means we’re winning, because we have ‘turned the corner.’ And when the violence in Iraq decreases, it means we’re winning, because…well, we MUST be winning if the violence is decreasing, right?

When the answer is always “we’re winning,” the actual situation is irrelevant. That’s the great thing about having a delusional alcoholic as Commander-in-Chief. We can always feel really good about ourselves!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 28, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

BREAKING: Don Siegelman to be released pending appeal

AND

60 Minutes: The Prosecution of Don Siegelman——-(Grant) Woods is one of the 52 former state attorneys-general, of both parties, who’ve asked Congress to investigate the Siegelman case. “I personally believe that what happened here is that they targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. This was a Republican state and he was the one Democrat they could never get rid of,” Woods says. Now a Republican lawyer from Alabama, Jill Simpson, has come forward to claim that the Siegelman prosecution was part of a five-year secret campaign to ruin the governor. Simpson told 60 Minutes she did what’s called “opposition research” for the Republican party. She says during a meeting in 2001, Karl Rove, President Bush’s senior political advisor, asked her to try to catch Siegelman cheating on his wife. [..] She says she spied on Siegelman for months but saw nothing. Even though she was working as a Republican campaign operative, Simpson says she wanted to talk to 60 Minutes because Siegelman’s prison sentence bothers her conscience. Simpson says she wasn’t surprised that Rove made this request. Asked why not, she tells Pelley, “I had had other requests for intelligence before.” “From Karl Rove?” Pelley asks. “Yes,” Simpson says.

AND

Rove: ‘I Fully Expect To Be Indicted By The End Of The Year’» March 9, 2008

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

{{{{Everyone else in the media is pounding Hillary Clinton for her tale, now shown to be fanciful, of dodging bullets on a Bosnian tarmac as first lady. But if you’re looking for the best recent example of the lengths Mrs. Clinton will go to win the Democratic Presidential nod, consider that last week in Philadelphia she used Joe and Valerie Wilson as campaign props.}}}}

{{{{So in order to blunt Mr. Obama’s attacks over Iraq, Mrs. Clinton has resorted to relying on the word of someone whose antiwar inventions were too embarrassing even for the Kerry campaign.}}}}

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 28, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

From Maverick to Prostitute: The Untold Story of John McCain

By @@

March 28, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

And all heck breaking loose in the Democratic party was part of my plan.

That’s why I did the “unthinkable”…

I “voted” for a Democrat in the primary.

By N-GA

March 28, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Thanks ML, for the real definition of “Spin”. And so it goes….

By @@

March 28, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Yaayyyyy!

Thanks for the Paul Simon video ITN.

Let’s start morning LATE IN THE EVENING!!!!!!

I’ll be dancin’ all day now.

By ed lorenzo

March 28, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

This comment is pending approval and won’t be displayed until it is approved.

“Like million others, I have not decided who I am going to vote for in the 2008 Presidential elections” “You are like the rest of us. But, tell me why” “Well, on one side we have Hillary and Obama. But t in spite of their outstanding qualifications, they are unable to rise above it. The country is falling apart and they are forced to play the “I said, you said, they said game” “So?” “Number one: they have not learned from George W. Bush. They allowed the media and their own advisers, to set the tone for their campaign. You will agree that George W. has taken tons of garbage from the best gurus, pundits, talk show hosts and newspapers but has remained above all of them. Bush has led the band every minute. Right or wrong, including the biggest fraud perpetrated in our history, he has never bothered to let blame, guilt, culpability and accusations change his arrogant demeanor. How are those two candidates expect to deal with the major crises that are certain to appear, if they can not keep their own house in order?” “How about John McCain?” “Just as bad or even worse. His idea of occupying Iraq for 100 years says a lot; it is an echo of the Bush-Cheney doctrine and its results. We don”t want wars against Mexico, Iran, North Korea, France, New Zealand and even the Vatican!” “Has Ralph Nader announced yet?”

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

From DHIMMWIT’s 8:25 goony lib propaganda scare link:

{{{{The science isn’t settled — it’s unsettling, and getting more so every year as the scientific community learns more about the catastrophic consequences of uncontrolled greenhouse gas emissions.}}}}

Apparently you libs don’t understand very much about science:

{{{{Just how much of the “Greenhouse Effect” is caused by CO2 human activity? It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account— about 5.53%, if not.}}}}

That is unadulterated scientific fact, indisputable, CO2 makes up about .28% of the so called greenhouse gases, with water vapor being 95% of the heat trapping effect.

Won’t do you pinkos not understand about this?

Take your little beakers, go into the laboratory and see for yourself, and while you are there, learn something about CO2’s maximum soluble levels.

Your whole entire “man made” theory is based on one of the most absolute minimal possible causes for warming but yet you just ignore the science and hysterically drive on.

As al-Gore fills his bank accounts to the brim.

And the parade of lies just continues unabated:

{{{{Fortunately Kernen wasn’t around when scientists were warning that puny little humans were destroying the Earth’s protective ozone layer. Otherwise >>>we<<< might never have banned chlorofluorocarbons in time.}}}}

“We,” eh?

{{{{China has moved to ban the production of ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), according to a statement from the country’s environmental protection agency. The action is in accordance with the 1987 Montreal Protocol to phase out the use of ozone layer-depleting products . China, which signed the agreement in 1991, >>>says it will end all CFC production by 2010.<<<}}}}

What about India?

And the rest of Asia?

They’ve been blowing out CFC’s without a care in the world but only after the United States was brought to it’s knees did the environmental terrorists drop their ozone hole scare mongering.

Ever wonder why that is?

Do only American CFC’s eat away the ozone?

By Jesus

March 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By mm

March 28, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Duh,

Just keep your head up your butt. Don’t forget to unzip every now and then to see where you are going.

Massive Ice Shelf on Verge of Breakup

Now please tell me how Al Gore is getting rich? And are you saying capitalism is only allowed for Republicans?

And I guess it’s only socialism when the government gives money to individuals. But it’s ok for the government to “bail out” corporations.

You are a hypocrite of epic proportions. And a grade A boneheaded moron.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

The cartoon, lol? If the shia really do make a stand and fight, we’ll just totally destroy them and i think that’s going to be victory. If we can annihilate the shia militia, then we’ll simply install the sunnis in power and go home, which is how we found iraq, and our entire war will then have been one giant sniper bullet that traveled 1000 yards in six years and removed saddam. (and keeled lots of arabs in revenge for 911, master)

it’s a win win!

Remember 911. Remember pearl harbor. remember bataan death march. remember the whiskey rebellion massacre. remember the alamo. remember fort sumter. remember the boston massacre. remember remembering.

aw, forget it.

By w00t

March 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Yep, global warming never existed. Considering it was global warming that was responsible for the oil Andy loves to drink.

Once you release all that trapped carbon that has been stored in the earth for millions of years, it has to go somewhere.

And it’s not a “guess”. Scientist KNOW the chemical properties of Carbon and Carbon Dioxide and how it can affect the environment of the earth.

Andy, Science is not up to you or anyone else for that matter to determine what is right or wrong. It is up to OTHER SCIENTIST to subject a hypothesis, theory, or paper through PEER REVIEW. Some “guy” just doesn’t stand up and say, “I think that the earth is warming because the flying spaghetti monster did it!” No, the theory has to fit the evidence. It works just like a court of law, the evidence determines wither the person, or in this case, the theory is innocent (True) or guilty (false). So when scientists say, “Global warming is caused by increases in CO2 levels” They aren’t kidding around. Now matter how hard a oil backed group tries to inject doubt, it doesn’t change the evidence.

Continuing to doubt global warming or any other potential disaster to Earth as nothing more than hearsay puts your children and their future on the line and show’s how selfish you are.

By mm

March 28, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

{{{Gore’s campaign to make the world more aware of man’s role in global warming won him the Nobel Peace Prize last year. He donated the $750,000 prize money to The Alliance for Climate Protection, the non-profit he started to help him on his quest. He and his wife, Tipper, tell Stahl they not only matched the Nobel money with their own, but they are also donating to the organization the significant profits from his book and Oscar-winning documentary film about global warming, “An Inconvenient Truth.” The funds will help The Alliance for Climate Protection execute a new $300 million ad campaign on global warming set to start next week.}}}

Doesn’t look like he’s putting it in his personal bank account to me.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Is Bush still the president? Hasn’t Obama been sworn in yet?

What’s the holdup?

Enough nonsense. Lets get on with the rest of America.

Obama 08. The rest of America.

By getalife

March 28, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Much better toon.

The British left Basra and saved their troops from this civil war but w will not.

The State Department employees that refused to serve in Baghdad made the right choice.

The wasted lives and money will continue unless we elect a Dem. President.

It is up to us to stop this insanity for our troops and country.

By BS detector

March 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Obama: Had Wright not retired, I’d have left church

Lies upon lies upon Clinton lies.

What’s a dem to dooooooooooooooooooo?

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Let us gaze upon what passes for scientific theory in the land of mouth breathing liberalism:

{{{{By mm March 28, 2008 9:23 AM Duh, Just keep your head up your butt. Don’t forget to unzip every now and then to see where you are going.}}}}

Fascinating, isn’t it?

{{{{Massive Ice Shelf on Verge of Breakup}}}}

Yawn:

{{{{In a surprising departure from other findings that point to a warming planet, a NASA researcher has found that the amount of ice in the Antarctic increased from 1979 to 1999, as measured by satellites.}}}}

Gee, more ice, more of it breaking up on the outer edges and floating out to sea, surprise, surprise.

{{{{By w00sie March 28, 2008 9:26 AM Andy, Science is not up to you or anyone else for that matter to determine what is right or wrong.}}}}

That’s why I included scientific fact in my post and it is why you drool mindless babbling onto your keyboard in response.

You have no clue.

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Good morning all!

Here’s Andy’s 2002 article in case anyone wants to read the WHOLE thing instead of the pieces Andy decided to cherry pick:

Antarctic Sea Ice Increases over Past Two Decades

Yeah, Andy, that ONE six year old article proves EVERYTHING!

I like the cartoon.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Is bush still president? Why hasn’t Obama been sworn in yet? What’s the holdup? Enough nonsense. Lets get on with the rest of america.

Obama 08: 4 the rest of america

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

[RICKYDUH POLITCAL EXPERT AND CLIMATOLOGIST!!!!] (http://www.bozo.com/)

By mm

March 28, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Duh,

I guess it depends on who you want to listen to at NASA.

Greenland’s Rising Air Temperatures Drive Ice Loss at Surface and Beyond

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I have a question.

What is your position on global warming?

Seriously. I would like to know.

By getalife

March 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

The gop candidate supports stopping global warming and Andy does not matter.

The spineless Obama supporting Senators like Dodd and Leahy should STFU calling for Clinton to drop out and call for w and cheney to resign instead.

They don’t have the guts to do their jobs. Let the people vote and let the votes count so they will vote again in the general.

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Analchord,

He still was president when I heard the news this morning. Sorry to say. But don’t worry, we don’t have too much longer. Because like we’ve seen some people write in:

Any one of the three candidates (so far) is much better than the one we’ve been putting up with since 2000.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Thre’s a new cheap over the counter paternity test available at Rite Aid RX everywhere now. It comes just in time to prove any connection between pastor Ron Sailor and Obama, eh?

McCain can still win, if we can link a motley enough gaggle of bad-fruit pastors to Obama.

McCain 08: His pastors say nice things and dont pilfer the collection basket, just like America deserves. Why, McCain thinks the statue of liberty should be kneeling in pious prayer, the way Clinton thought it should, but maybe that’s going too far, lets keep religion out of government and on Obama’s campaign where it belongs.

By translator to the rescue

March 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

””-Seriously. I would like to know.-“”

Translation - I have nothing going on in my life. I need someone to talk to. Please IM me.

Somebody?

Anybody?

Beuller?

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Did ANYONE by ANY CHANCE read our beloved Governor’s Opinion Piece today?

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. As I roll my eyes and shake my head, and put my head down in my hands (yes, I can do all three at once - I am king multi-tasker).

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

Sonny is trying to protect us - like in loco parentis.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Analchord - that’s just the problem with you liberals. If the church leaders agree with you - like the Pope on the death penalty, then you quote him as authority. But if a religious leader disagrees with you, you say that he should stay out of politics - again like the Pope on abortion. The fact is that Democrats routinely campaign openly in African-American churches and sermons are routinely politically charged in those churches. Even Pat Robertson resigned as an ordained minister when he ran for President. Neither Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton would do this. Mike Huckabee did not, but he should have.

Religion does have a place in public life. It is part of the body politic. One cannot keep religion completely out of politics and the views of one’s denomination are often important, but not disqualifying when running for public office. Obama’s church just gives the public a very good idea where he might stand on certain issues. He needs to define his differences more clearly and explain why he did not do so at any time over the last 20 years!!!!

By mm

March 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Yeah, like this wasn’t going to happen.

U.S. forces were drawn deeper into Iraq’s four day-old crackdown on Shiite militants on Friday

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Obama wasn’t running for POTUS until now, and it wasn’t an issue.

He probably would have if someone had asked. Did you not see his speech last week (or the week before).

He explained it as much as he needed to. Just because it wasn’t clear enough for you is irrelevant - be honest, is there ANYTHING he could have said to clear it up for you?

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Bosch - I just read it and I don’t have a problem with what he wrote or how it was phrased, or even the conclusions. He is not advocating prohibition or ending liquor by the drink in bars and restaurants on Sundays. Some counties (Lowndes for instance) are totally dry on Sundays. Certainly Atlanta is not. I do know for a fact that alcohol related crime and accidents are lower on Sundays in Lowndes County because of the law. However, I am not advocating anyone going dry either (I take a snoot-full myself on occasion). Neither is the governor. His statistics are verified and verifiable.

Liberty does not mean license. We also have laws against speeding and we put people who are a danger to themselves away. There are limits in a free society to what people can and cannot do - look at environmental regulations for a start. I am sure that you don’t want to repeal all of those, do you? By your logic, that is trampling on someone’s freedom, isn’t it?

By w00t

March 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

If people kept religion out of politics all together, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Religion has no place in politics. Only men with rational and logical thinking belong in office. We do not need men in office that are willing to sacrifice education to the whims of radicals, nor do we need men in office that might be willing to down play a woman’s importance in the work place or home. We need men that make decisions on actual evidence on the ground, and not from their gut, or a “message from God”. We do not need men in office that feel that the Earth was put here by God for us to rape, plunder, and pillage, because the “rapture” is soon upon us. We certainly do not need men in office that think 6000 years ago man was ridding on the back of a Jesus tyrannosaur.

You put someone in office that has a vision for this country, its people, and future generations. Not someone, with faith in stone-age beliefs that the country is in the hands of God’s control. Fate is what we make for ourselves.

If we continue to elect “leaders” like this, we should expect in short order that the US will no longer be the leaders in science and technological achievement. Our country will quickly collapse in to a theology, just as the Middle Eastern nations did during their dark ages while all the power and wealth shift to Asian and European countries.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

You may be right.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

w00t - thank heavens we in this country do not listen to people like you. We would end up with a stagnant, lifeless and souless society such as the one which Lenin and Stalin created. One in which religion was trashed and ground underfoot by the state. The state became the god and the state used that authority to play God.

Whether you like it or not, religion is a part of our lives and should guide public officials when they make decisions of conscience. NY Governor Mario Cuomo refused to sign any death penalty bill because he was morally and religiously opposed to the death penalty. Unfortunately, he was a hypocrite because he was for abortion on demand. I am opposed to both, but the arguments for the death penalty make a whole lot more sense to me because at least a person who was found guilty of the ultimate crime is being punished! I still am opposed, though.

The President has not restricted science. He has just stated that the government will not fund certain types of research. I agree. There are serious ethical questions when it comes to cloning and embryonic stem-cell research. One cannot cut himself off from such moral arguments or go against core beliefs. You obviously are hostile to religion, so you are not forced to participate in it in this country. Go about your business, but do not try to dictate what others can and cannot believe and what they bring to the table as public officials. Your belief that religion should not be part of public life is as fanatical and bizarre as having an established religion. Neither extreme is desirable.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Obama is related to Cheney and Brad Pitt. They find a new distant Obama cousin everyday. It’s seems the only person Obama is not connected to in some way now is his pastor!

By President George W. Bush

March 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Let’s see:

Used lies to invade.

Continued lies to justify invasion.

4,000 U.S. soldiers killed.

Allied soldiers killed.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed.

Billions of dollars of infrastructure destroyed.

War Costs of $1.5 trillion and counting.

Five years in with no clue how to get out.

Lost respect of rest of world.

Whoooopeeee…MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Crown me, I win!!!!!!!!!

By Paul

March 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

IThN 9:15

Regarding the declining news coverage, I think the real cause is, if Americans aren’t dying, neither the public nor the media really cares.

It’s a pity, really. The same underlying issues of jidahism remain, America’s dependency on foreign oil and the failure of our elected officials for thirty years to do anything about it; the continuing self-centeredness of “I have the money, if I want to burn three times the gas it’s my right”; the view that “I can drive/do what I want and the fuel price should be low or someone else is to blame”: Detroit/Japanese/German decisions to bow to larger profits;;; but few Americans were dying, so it’s really no story.

And that’s the real story.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

w00t - I also want to address your contention that religious people want to subjugate women. That is why I am opposed to having an official religion, because that is the type of thing that can be done when fanatics get in control. However, it also depends upon the religion. All of the Scandianavian nations and Great Britain have ‘established’ churches. Women’s rights are respected completely. The ‘established’ church in these nations is Protestant (Lutheran/Anglican/Presbyterian) Christianity. Saudi Arabia does not respect the rights of women. That religion is the fanaticism we are currently fighting. Communist China also routinely disregards the rights of women and dissenters in general. It is officially atheist!!! I would posit to you that repression exists in societies when government becomes too powerful. Religion is a moral counter-balance to that evil in a free society. The trouble is you look at the examples where society is not free and want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

James Madison, the author of the 1st amendment to the Constitution also was the first to introduce a resolution (which was passed) to hire a chaplain for the House of Representatives. Religion and government can and should coexist and work together. But neither should control the other. But to try to eviscerate any influence religion has on public life is just plain bigoted and not very bright!

By w00t

March 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

{{{Go about your business, but do not try to dictate what others can and cannot believe and what they bring to the table as public officials.}}}

Oh, that’s funny coming from a “religious” person.

The thing is when people think of religion, they think of “when I die, I live for all of eternity, so what I do here, or to this planet is not all that important.” Wrong. Having a finite life here on this planet, gives us purpose, it gives us meaning. That we should not sit around hoping to get to some place after we die. That we need to live life now, and to make sure we live this world in a better place.

Religion is no different on either side. Christianity and Islam both try to limit free speech and free thinking when it goes against the churches dogmatic view of the world. This is what led to the dark ages in the Middle East. When religious leaders took over and installed shia law that basically made it illegal and punishable by death if something was seen as an affront to Islam. It held people back. With no freedom of speech and ideas, their countries turned in to what we see today, religious zealots with no rational understanding of the world. Many of them still believe that the earth goes around the sun. This is not something that took place over night. It took many years to accomplish. This same path can happen to our own country.

Look at Pat Robertson, and Farwell. They tried to blame the 9/11 attacks on gays because of their dogmatic views. Robertson said that Dover, PA should not look to God if there was a natural disaster in their area when they ruled against intelligent design. We have Ken Ham and his Creationist museum. Are these the thing that we want in our country? The dumbing down of our citizens? The rest of the western world laughs at us and takes our jobs as children are indoctrinated with this rhetoric. We are on the tipping point and can easily slide in to oblivion.

By Fly_on_the_Wall

March 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Can we have an Amen for w00t’s 11:25 post. I agree wholeheartedly, religion can be in someone’s life but it should NOT be the total, only guiding force for them if they are in politics. The issue then comes down to who’s religious policy do you follow? I’m sure there are people of other beliefs that would prefer you follow their creed. A politican represents ALL of the people not just those of his/her religious affiliation. As the bumper sticker says, if you want to live in a theocracy, go live in Iran. Why do we think we would do better than the Islamic nations? Are we that arrogant?

By the tightrope

March 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Dr. Ibtihal Al-Khatib: “Yes. Anyone who is secular is accused of being a heretic, which is absolutely untrue. Secularism is the belief in the separation of religion and state. In other words, religion belongs to God, and the state belongs to all. Every person is free to practice his religion and follow his spiritual path, but all are subject to a civil state. That way, we ensure just treatment for all, instead of Sunnis enjoying more rights than Shiites, or vice versa, and >>>>>>Christians having no rights whatsoever in an Islamic state.<<<<<<<

liberals are america’s religious extremists.

By MomCat

March 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

By getalife March 28, 2008 10:35 AM Let the people vote and let the votes count so they will vote again in the general…

The fact that we still choose delegates is so outdated! Way back when the country was young(er), transportation and other problems prohibited many from ready access to voting; hence, choosing delegates made sense. With our so called ‘reliable’ computers etc. today, we need to HAVE ONE ELECTION. That ONE ELECTION should be the general election, and to heck with the primaries. The PEOPLE should choose their candidates! PRIMARIES and CAUCUSES are nothing more than ways to steal an election. Crossover voting is an example. I know several who voted for Obama in the primaries who wouldn’t vote for him if their life was threatened in the general election. This should not happen!!

By @@ March 28, 2008 8:28 AM And all heck breaking loose in the Democratic party was part of my plan.

See what I mean? Of course, ethics and morality always win! HaHaHa!!

By Fly_on_the_Wall

March 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Can we have an Amen for w00t’s 11:25 post. I agree wholeheartedly, religion can be in someone’s life but it should NOT be the total, only guiding force for them if they are in politics. The issue then comes down to who’s religious policy do you follow? I’m sure there are people of other beliefs that would prefer you follow their creed. A politican represents ALL of the people not just those of his/her religious affiliation. As the bumper sticker says, if you want to live in a theocracy, go live in Iran. Why do we think we would do better than the Islamic nations? Are we that arrogant?

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Yes, we do not have to participate in anything, and we certainly do not have to participate in religion.

But when politicians pass laws or restrict certain activities based on their own moral conviction and religion, that affects EVERYONE, not just them, or you who happen to believe like they do.

How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

You wouldn’t complain?

How would you feel if tomorrow, a law was passed to say that stem cell research will be funded by the government because the benefits to potential patients outweigh the consequences?

What one considers ethical and moral for one does not mean for all.

Politics and religion simply do not mix. It’s like oil and water.

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Oh and Mr. Devil - forgot:

“His statistics are verified and verifiable”

By whom? Are they valid? Are they replicable? Do they stand the test of time (longitudinal)?

Environmental regulations are enforced every day of the week. They don’t lax on Sundays.

I believe in democracy and the right of the citizens to have a chance to vote one way or the other.

By Paul

March 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

IThN 9:32

Well, it looks as if Raw Story and Crooks and Liars are the incompetents. The ammunition was not for US forces in Afghanistan - it was for Afghanistan forces, as the NYT article pointed out. But that doesn’t quite paint as bad a picture of Bush, does it?

BTW - it wasn’t the “Bush Administration.” It’s the same Pentagon bureaucracy that existed before Bush and will exist long after. But blaming Bush will only serve to divert proper accountability and hinder effective corrective action. Oops, I forgot. Waxman’s holding hearings. Maybe he’ll “fix” this too, just as he held hearings and “fixed” the laws governing revealing the identities of “covert” agents so someone could be prosecuted?

By It's Me Again Tee Hee Hee

March 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

By President George W. Bush March 28, 2008 11:54 AM Let’s see: Used lies to invade. Continued lies to justify invasion.

L’il Bush has spoken!

By President George W. Bush

March 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Back off It’s Me Again…The Secret Service, FBI, CIA, AT&T, the Post Office and your neighbors told me where you live.

By Devastator

March 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Why do you let this Devil idiot get under your skin? Did you catch Barack on ‘the View’ today?

By Paul

March 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

IThN 8:05

I expected more consistency from ThinkProgress. It was good they said “we made a mistake, we misspoke, we blew it” and explained what happened and what the record should be.

But don’t you think they should apply the same standards they established with, among other things, the McCain Shi’a-Shiite blip? McCain’s “clarification” came quicker than theirs. Soooo, ThinkProgress now needs to headline their “mistake” about 20 zillion more times, with additional slant on how their website isn’t really qualified to be a leading political site.

When you establish the standards…

By Devastator

March 28, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

PITTSBURGH - Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey endorsed Democrat Barack Obama on Friday, a move that could help the presidential candidate make inroads with white working-class voters dubbed “Casey Democrats” in the Keystone State.

Appearing on stage beside the Illinois senator, Casey told a boisterous rally, “I believe in my heart that there is one person who’s uniquely qualified to lead us in that new direction and that is Barack Obama.”

Pennsylvania’s April 22 primary will allocate 158 delegates, the biggest single prize left in the drawn-out nomination battle between Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. Clinton is leading Obama in the state, by 12 points in one poll this month.

Casey is a first-term senator and the son of a popular former governor of the state. Casey is Catholic and, like his father, is known for his opposition to abortion and support of gun rights. His support could help Obama make inroads among Catholic voters, who have preferred Clinton to Obama in earlier primaries and strongly favor her in Pennsylvania polls.

“I really believe that in a time of danger around the world and in division here at home, Barack Obama can lead us, he can heal us, he can help rebuild America,” he said.

Obama told the crowd that he had not pushed Casey hard for an endorsement.

“Bob is such a gracious person and such a thoughtful person that I did not press him on this endorsement,” especially since Obama trails Clinton in Pennsylvania polls.

“It would have been easy for Bob just to stay out of it, just to stay neutral, I think everybody would have accepted that,” Obama said.

Casey said that he called Clinton Thursday night to tell her of his decision.

“She was very gracious. We know that she’s a great senator, she’s a great leader,” Casey said.

Asked by Casey’s endorsement, Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said, “We’re proud of the support we have from across Pennsylvania, including Gov. (Ed) Rendell, several members of Congress and mayors from across the state. We look forward to having his support in the general election as Democrats unite to beat John McCain and to turn our country around.”

Clinton’s backers in the state include Rep. John Murtha, who was an early advocate of withdrawing from Iraq, and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter

By @@

March 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Heyyyyyyyy Paul. In case your interested, I found a great site

“Unwrapping the Mystery Inside the Enigma”

Keeping tabs on Putin’s MO.

Cool!

Off to the track to go for 6 - that’s if the little chihuahua isn’t loose today RW. (IWH)

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

Hi! How are ya’ today? Nothing much ever gets under my skin - trust me - only when people tell me what to do or think.

No, I didn’t catch Obama on the View. I’ve never seen that show - I’m not much of a tv person, especially during the day. If I watch tv, it’s Fox Soccer Channel or CNN just for background noise, but mostly soccer.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

w00t - the point to Christianity - unless you are a Calvinist - is that we do have free will to accept or reject the word of God. You have obviously rejected it. And the purpose of this life is to serve God AND our fellow man. It is not to achieve selfish goals or just have what would be a meaningless existence - an existence without a life after death. What would be the purpose in living a good life and helping your fellow man if there is no reward or consequence to bad actions.

I actually pity you as much as I pity those like Osama bin Laden who believe in a merciless God. Either way you lose out. Whether you like it or not, you will be in my prayers, but not that God will touch you, but that you will allow Him in because He has always wanted to be in your heart.

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch March 28, 2008 10:29 AM Andy, I have a question. What is your position on global warming? Seriously. I would like to know.}}}}

That man has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Why do I have to repeat this over and over again?

It is, after all, rather obvious, the best you libs can come up with is a naturally occurring atmospheric element that we exhale when we breathe, it is a plant food and above all, it’s effect on trapping heat in the atmosphere is .28% which is laughable and a stone cold fact.

I will never change my mind, doing so would be comparable to saying the Earth is flat, which is the exact type of idiocy that you liberals have embarked upon.

The Sun, on the other hand, the source of all of our heat, gosh, just imagine that it’s solar activity increases and decreases, causing warming and cooling, just like it has since the beginning of time.

Are you able to say that man’s activity caused the Earth to emerge from the Little Ice Age in the 1600’s?

Is this really that hard to understand?

By @@

March 28, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Oops! u’re

By Devastator

March 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Of course they spent the first 10 minutes talking about you know who. Obama gave an interesting illustration on what it would be like if everyone wrote a book entitled “The Five Dumbest things I ever said”. He said each book would mirror things related to the controversy, even if its not racial.

The next 20 minutes were about the 3 things he would do first as president.

I have some intersting statistics that show he’s not losing the white vote. Most of the people who are p** about the controversy weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

By Paul

March 28, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

@@

Thank you very much. I do enjoy following the state of Russian affairs.

While I was gone I read William Craig’s “Enemy at the Gates” - about the battle of Stalingrad. There were many German and Russian first-person accounts. It was tough to get through at the end - what people can inflict on each other, and survive, is horrendously incredible.

I’ve made the point certain parties in this world have reached agreements on making the practice of warfare less barbaric (a concept not embraced by those with a mindset appropriate to the 10th century). But many of the one-off, atypical “atrocities” cited by many as evidence of America’s evil are not anywhere in the same league as that which was routinely perpetrated in what was the generation (of many here) of our fathers and grandfathers.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Bosch - we all have certain core, moral beliefs. If we don’t then we just degenerate into complete social misfits - sociopaths and psychopaths. I don’t believe in murder, period. That is a core belief. I thus don’t believe that society should condone one type of murder and condemn another. Taking another’s property is also against the law, and it is one of the ten commandments. Should we throw that one out because it is a religious law? I think not.

Throwing out one’s core beliefs is not an option for any honest person holding public office. I guess that is one of the things that has separated the Bushes of this world from the Clintons. They have different kinds of morality. One is bedded in a core belief that certain things are right and wrong. The other is bedded in expediency and the belief that they are the ones who are the most capable of making decisions for all of us poor, stupid people. But even they realize the purpose of religion and even pay lip service to it and go to Church on Sundays, although I actually doubt they believe a word of it, or they would live their lives a bit differently.

I realize that many atheists and anti-religionists think that people like me are just plain stupid, but they would be wrong. But the funniest part of all of this is - If I am wrong, then no harm, no foul. I just die. If the atheists and anti-religionists and apostates are wrong, what excuse will they make when they come face to face with the Creator of the Universe?

Ponder this for a while.

By obamamaniac

March 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Devastator, did they say on The View if he is related to Brad Pitt?

Is he? Is he? Is he?

Oh god I hope so!

By Paul

March 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Devastator

Anectdotal, but, I think, representative.

This past week I had dinner with one of my wife’s relatives - traditional, conservative, lifelong Republican woman (who voted for JFK the first time she was eligible to vote). Comes from a rock solid Republican part of the country.

Said she was voting for Obama. I asked why. She said all the policy stuff - thpbbbt. His message is different than what we’ve heard - and he’s the one delivering it. Maybe he’ll bring a different tone to Washington. Plus, she said, she thought it was “high time” this country had a black President.

So there you have it.

By Devastator

March 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Obama is much cooler than Brad Pitt.

By AmVet

March 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

ITN thanks for that humorous link on the knuckle draggers in the denial camp.

The “conservative” ostriches have met and they have spoken! Sort of.

Only 23 authors on the entire planet would sign on and not even all of them were scientists?

Talk amongst yourselves neoliths!

Several climate scientists and environmental advocates poked fun at the meeting. Frank O’Donnell, who heads the watchdog group Clean Air Watch, said the conference “looks like the climate equivalent of Custer’s last stand. They seem to have tried to find every last skeptic on Earth and put them in one hotel off Broadway.”

Gene Karpinski, president of the League of Conservation Voters, said he was not surprised that roughly 500 participants had gathered at the meeting. “I’m sure that the flat Earth society had a few final meetings before they broke up.”

And Princeton University geosciences professor Michael Oppenheimer said that with the media and many politicians now ignoring the climate skeptics, “they have to get together to talk to each other, because nobody else is talking to them.”

By Political History

March 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

For all of you who are NOT worried about the Democrats current quest at cannibalization, lets look at some facts. Since the modern Democratic party’s founding in 1828 by Andrew Jackson, this party has won the popular vote only 9 times in 45 elections. Four of those were won by ONE personThe Republicans have won the marjority of the popular vote in 17 out of 38 elections since its founding in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854. The Democrats cannot afford to continue to tear themselves apart. They have proven continuously that they must get every vote they can. They have usually been the minority party in presidential elections. All of this is fact which can be easily verified. If you want to win, you don’t need to continue to alienate huge hunks of the population!

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks Andy,

I’m glad you cleared that up for us. So now we know where you are coming from.

Not disputing, we are all entitled to our beliefs.

By The Devil You Say

March 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

I recall that Gelileo also questioned scientific and political orthodoxy - that the Earth was believed to be the center of the Universe. The vast majority of people disagreed with him. It was only common sense. Your arguments on global warming will go the way of those who believed the sun revolved around the Earth.

By Devastator

March 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Sounds like your wife comes from good stock. Good job my man.

Obama is the most honest person on the campaign trail. McCain is cool but we need change.

By Bill

March 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Devil. 1:11: There’s nothing to “ponder.” you talk endlessly, but say nothing. That day when “you face your creator….” Isn’t that a tad rusty by now? Childish? Mindless? Is there going to be a line we must, by the zillions, wait in? For one of your age, and you are surely younger than I, you are very, very empty. A life lived without you grasping any wisdom along the trip. Just repeating ancient tales and beliefs and dogma. No analysis, free-thinking, stepping outside the little box. Childish and child-like. Naive. Stupid, really. You are a most qualified neocon. You don’t know that you don’t know that you don’t know. Highly reflective of the little thoughts and truths you insist upon vomiting forth. Yawn.

By mm

March 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Let’s see what NOAA says about solar output and global warming.

Can the observed changes be explained by natural variability, including changes in solar output?

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

The “what have you got to lose” argument for the existence of god is the poorest and most discounted since Eve tricked Adam with it in the garden and he ate the apple, for which they never apologized, and now there’s all this.

What’s the premise: that there is/isn’t a god. What’s the conclusion? That there is is/isn’t a god. When the premise is in the conclusion, you’ve got a circular argument. When you’ve got a circular argument, then you know 4 a fact that the troll presenting it is a moron.

‘muff said.

By AmVet

March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Wow! I have seen some major league spinmesiters in my day, but to paint the Catholic church as the seat of “scientific and political orthodoxy” and NOT religious orthodoxy is as good as a Steve Carlton slider in his prime.

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

It is my opinion that people who criticize the Clintons while praising the Bushes are just plain hypocritical.

But that’s just me.

I’m no Clinton fan, but Bush ain’t no charm, in fact, I’m not that old, well, to my kids I am, but I can never remember a cloud of mistrust for our government like we have now.

Anyway, religion is one of my favorite topics, so yes, if you believe that an old man sits in heaven on a gold throne and when you die you will reside there forever to gaze upon his glory along with all the other billions or so who’ve made the cut, then that’s just plain makes me giddy. That’s great.

Whom I feel sorry for are those who make the decision to not attempt ANY kind of spiritual path.

And I am also continually frustrated with those who claim that their religion or what they believe is “right” and everyone else is “wrong.” Because, basically, at my core, I believe what Christ taught, that God’s grace and eternal happiness (whatever that may be) is for EVERYONE, and is potentially available to EVERYONE - for those who seek it.

Now, whether that means now or in the afterlife, no one knows. Not me, not you, not anyone except for those who’ve died.

So, I choose to make the best of both worlds - I live a good life now, I am a happy person now, I try very hard to treat my fellow man with respect (albeit sometimes hard), and when I die, if I’m right, then I think I’ll be okay, and if I’m wrong and I have to stand before God, then I won’t have such a hard time defending myself.

If I am wrong and there is an old guy whom one day I’ll have to stand before and defend my life to, I do feel that this old guy will understand what it is that I believe and that what I believe isn’t too different than what most others believe - it’s just got different labels, and sometimes I call them different things - and he’ll be cool with that.

By Bosch

March 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

What were the three things?

I like that book title -

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

The people who totally blew their climate “models” try to weasel their way out of loss of government funding, notice how “irradiance” from the Sun can cause ice ages, freeze the whole freaking world over, but has “less effect than greenhouse gases,” which have “caused” a one degree fahrenheit rise in the last century, which was erased in one year, 2007:

{{{{There is much need to refine our understanding of key natural forcing mechanisms of the climate, including solar irradiance changes, in order to reduce uncertainty in our projections of future climate change.}}}}

{{{{In addition to changes in energy from the sun itself, the Earth’s position and orientation relative to the sun (our orbit) also varies slightly, thereby bringing us closer and further away from the sun in predictable cycles (called Milankovitch cycles). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Variations in these cycles are believed to be the cause of Earth’s ice-ages (glacials)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Particularly important for the development of glacials is the radiation receipt at high northern latitudes. Diminishing radiation at these latitudes during the summer months would have enabled winter snow and ice cover to persist throughout the year, eventually leading to a permanent snow- or icepack. While Milankovitch cycles have tremendous value as a theory to explain ice-ages and long-term changes in the climate, they are unlikely to have very much impact on the decade-century timescale. Over several centuries, it may be possible to observe the effect of these orbital parameters, >>>>>>>>>however for the prediction of climate change in the 21st century,<<<<<<<<<<< these changes will be far less important than radiative forcing from greenhouse gases.}}}}

Hell, they agree with me.

Are you people brain dead?

By w00t

March 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

“teh” devil…

I’ve been saved, so you don’t have to “pity” me. I don’t need your pity because I am happy with my life. Are you? The difference between you and me is that I can make my own decisions.

Do you need someone every Sunday telling you haven’t done enough to get in to heaven and that God will spite you if you do not repent or live the way the pastor tells you to? Do you like living in fear?

You’re allowed to think any way you want, but that line of thinking does not belong in politics. It’s that way of thinking that could tear this country apart. “They don’t believe in our God, lets pity them to death!”

Oh, and you’re right. I don’t believe in a cruel God. Do you believe in a God that would commit a child that died to hell because he was born in an African tribe and never knew the bible or who “God” was?

By mm

March 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Duh,

Maybe you have comprehension problems.

{{{Over several centuries, it may be possible to observe the effect of these orbital parameters, however for the prediction of climate change in the 21st century, these changes will be far less important than radiative forcing from greenhouse gases.}}}

Translation - Solar output will have less effect than greenhouse gases.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Your atheism is grounded on the myth that god is an old man on a throne? The other atheist forgives his own sins by theorizing the unjustness of collateral souls?

Begone satan, your logic is death.

Blessed are the huggers, for they shall inherit the trees.

By w00t

March 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

btw, this passage says it all about free speech and the bible…

{{{For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:4–5).}}}

So basically ignore any evidence on the contrary. Ignore global warming, ignore evolution, ignore the fact that war is bad, ignore rational and logical thought, ignore and blame someone else because it wasn’t in the bible.

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm March 28, 2008 2:13 PM {{{Over several centuries, it may be possible to observe the effect of these orbital parameters, however for the prediction of climate change in the 21st century, these changes will be far less important than radiative forcing from greenhouse gases.}}}}

mmoron: I understand completely what that says, these geniuses need several centuries of study to figure out that being closer or farther from the Sun has an effect on warming or cooling, I mean, really, if you want to climb out on that limb, go right ahead.

Let’s run this again, look at what has just dawned upon the brilliant environmental terrorist scare mongers:

{{{{In addition to changes in energy from the sun itself, the Earth’s position and orientation relative to the sun (our orbit) also varies slightly, thereby bringing us closer and further away from the sun in predictable cycles (called Milankovitch cycles).}}}}

Now let’s check out some information that was readily available in the fourteenth century:

{{{{An old theory about why ice ages occur when they do may actually be right, a U.S. researcher said Thursday. He said variations in the Earth’s orbit around the Sun could explain why ice ages, which occur about every 100,000 years, have not been more regular. “The earth circles the sun every year in an orbit that becomes either more elliptical or less elliptical over tens of thousands of years,” Jose Rial, a professor of geophysics at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in a statement. “Variations in the orbit over time chiefly account for the ice ages as differing amounts of sunlight warm the planet.”}}}}

Go ahead on, mmoron, join in with the CO2 terrorists, when this whole thing gets exposed as a lie they will fade back into the woodwork with their government tax riches, but you will be just an idiot.

That doesn’t seem to bother you very much.

By @@

March 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Again with the religious debate?

Face it…we, as a nation, and all who live within it are rooted. George McKenna wrote an excellent paper on the topic:

“The Puritan Origins of American Patriotism”

Now Mr. McKenna didn’t formulate his opinions based on those of others. He thought critically on the issues.

Heck, Denzel Washington had his acting career launched through portraying George McKenna in “Hard Times”, as the principal at George Washington H.S. in L.A. - the H.S. where “Tookie” took society one step further when he formed the West Side Crips.

George McKenna or Tookie? I’ll take George.

Summer fashions are out, and I’m goin’ shopping. I’m so excited.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Good point @@. Do you have a blogsite where you offer more indepth comments? I’d love to visit. I hope there’s a photo of you to compare with the image I have in my head. I see a thirty-something brunette, thin, and very cool. Someone anyman would love to be with.

Anyway, sorry for completely getting you mixed up with trolls all these months. I’m done fighting or arguing or flaming or condescending. Everyone has a contribution to make to the general discussion of any issue, and that contribution is no less worthy than any others, which remember Einstein proved when he said that all observers are equally valid, without that crucial truth, none of his theories would be possible.

So sorry.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

TOP TEN BUSH GLOBAL WARMING SOLUTIONS

Instead of “Partly sunny,” have weatherman say “Partly cloudy”

Stop using Air Force One for Texas barbecue runs

Replace dangerous CO2 in the atmosphere with more eco-friendly CO1

Encourage people to walk more by distributing free Dr. Scholl massaging gel inserts. Are you gellin’?

Watch Al Gore movie one of these nights instead of “Dukes of Hazzard”

Bob Barker’s free. Get him workin’ on it

Send more troops to Iraq

I dunno, tax cuts for the rich?

Reduce hot air emissions by cancelling “The View”

Resign

From Letterman 6/7/07

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

{{{{Charges against a US Marine allegedly involved in the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha were dropped on Friday ahead of his trial, the military said in a statement.}}}}

{{{{A court martial for lance corporal Stephen Tatum had been due to start on Friday on charges of involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.}}}}

{{{{However in a statement released from the Marines Camp Pendleton base outside San Diego, the military said the charges had been dismissed “in order to continue to pursue the truth seeking process into the Haditha incident.”}}}}

Apologies anyone?

By Lunatic Fringe

March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Wisconsin girl has treatable diabetes.

Girl’s parents refuse to take her to doctor, opting instead for prayer.

Girl dies.

stupid, stupid people.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

An apology? Okay. I’m sorry that you think liberals are not americans. I’m sorry that you feel your country, (that country), is slipping away from you. I’m sorry that you ended up becoming that which you most despise because you allowed yourself to hate. I’m sorry that you have beome the enemy of america, like the royalty became the enemy of france in 1779, when they garroted Marie Antoinette with a piece of piano wire and then oj’d her with a rusty bolo knife, and then set her on fire and threw here in a well, and then poisoned her and then shot her fifty times and then ….no wait that was Rasputin….darn it, I always get my revolutions mixed up…

By Bruce, Colorado Springs

March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

“Won’t do you pinkos not understand about this?”

Just so you know, if you treat me like that, I don’t read your, um, brilliant words. Are you going to read anything I have to say if I ask you, “why don’t you stupid fascists get this?”

Never mind your grammar issues.

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Leave your gramma out of this, colorado bruce, but since you brought her up, i have to ask if she has an older sister for me, you see, i like older women, in fact, i’m not ashamed to say that i thought grandma walton was hot, especially AFTER the stroke.

So…….

By @@

March 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Outside the Shi’ite underclass, however, there is little sympathy for Sadr and his cohorts. Most Iraqis wonder why it has taken so long for the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to take on the Mahdi Army. Inevitably, many are asking whether Maliki will go whole hog, pursuing the Mahdi Army until it is completely destroyed.

Well ^^^ there you have it - subversive journalism at its best errrrr worst.

Applying the term “whole HOG” to a muslim leader. What was he thinking? Just kidding.

PoliFore:

Tell me this isn’t your best pick-up line…

(((I see a thirty-something brunette, thin, and very cool. Someone anyman would love to be with)))

besides, if I recall you’re a married man. Now don’t go telling me any sad stories about your wife, cause my heart is very tender. I’m serious….I really am. I remember you mentioning her at Wooten’s.

No, I do not have a blog, and therefore to pictures. Think Sophia.

By GMAN

March 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

This just in… John McCain worships Satan on a regular basis. I demand that he denounce his spiritual leader right this minute! Why hasn’t he said anything about this?

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bruce, Colorado Springs March 28, 2008 4:42 PM Just so you know, if you treat me like that, I don’t read your, um, brilliant words. Are you going to read anything I have to say if I ask you, “why don’t you stupid fascists get this?”}}}}

I’m not writing a term paper, Brucie, I’m posting to a political blog.

Perhaps this might be why you dimwit liberals have been taken in by the CO2 hoax, scrutinizing the tree but yet missing the snow covered forest.

Let me know when you will be reading this blog and I promise I’ll make a big effort to try and be nice, K?

By Likkkoduh Loves Dick Cheney

March 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I hate the Democrats. I hate liberals. I hate minorities. I hate gays (when I am not having sex with them, anyway).

I do love Dick Cheney though.

With or without the Cheney…

Yum!

By Analchord

March 28, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

No blog for @@? suprised. not a pick up line, just letting you know what my minds eye imagines when I read your comments. I dont suppose it’s wize to ask what your mind’s eye sees when you read my comments, well, it’s a little unfair because you think i’m fifty other trolls, and that would throw you off. For that last time, mostly , you’re wrong when you think I’m one of the extraneous trolls. it’s so obvious who I am cause I dont try to hide it. I change id’s because it’s a peculiarity with me, not because I think I’m fooling anyone, nor do I care if anyone gets fooled so what, ha ah fooled ya! Guess I won. Hooray for me. What?

There’s no prize for trolling. Someday maybe you’ll get it. i dont know.

By @@

March 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

PoliFore:

(((it’s so obvious who I am cause I dont try to hide it.))) and…

(((Someday maybe you’ll get it. i dont know.)))

I think I already know, but we’ll just continue the game, shall we.

It’s sho ‘nuff been fun for me. Has it been fun for you?

Now it’s off to the grocery. Not as much fun as shopping for summer (I LOVE SUMMER!!!) thingies.

By AJC Management

March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Pretty soon the whole entire country will despise the KKKlintons just as much as…..I do:

{{{{GALLUP: HILLARY HITS LOWEST…}}}}

No she hasn’t.

Bwa.

By AmVet

March 28, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

I saw recently where Fat Fred was going back to acting.

Tard TV, is definitely the man’s calling.

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March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

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