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See you later

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 07:17 AM

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By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Seeking the truth:

{{{{The result? Mass conversions to Christianity — if clandestine ones. The very public conversion of high-profile Italian journalist Magdi Allam — who was baptized by Pope Benedict in Rome on Saturday — is only the tip of the iceberg. Indeed, Islamic cleric Ahmad al-Qatani stated on al-Jazeera TV a while back that some six million Muslims convert to Christianity annually, many of them persuaded by Botros’s public ministry. More recently, al-Jazeera noted Life TV’s “unprecedented evangelical raid” on the Muslim world. Several factors account for the Botros phenomenon.}}}}

{{{{First, the new media — particularly satellite TV and the Internet (the main conduits for Life TV) — have made it possible for questions about Islam to be made public without fear of reprisal. It is unprecedented to hear Muslims from around the Islamic world — even from Saudi Arabia, where imported Bibles are confiscated and burned — call into the show to argue with Botros and his colleagues, and sometimes, to accept Christ.}}}}

And finding it.

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Are you libs enjoying the fruits of our labor?:

{{{{Montgomery County Director of Voter Services John Passeralla told NBC’s Philadelphia TV affiliate that he knew some Pennsylvania Republicans were engaging in strategic voting. “Some people I’m hearing are switching so they can vote somebody in that they think the Republican candidate can beat in the fall. We’ve heard that numerous times,” he said.}}}}

{{{{The Boston Globe reported on March 17 about 100,000 Republicans voted for Clinton in Ohio, as did 119,000 in Texas and around 38,000 members of the GOP did in Mississippi, according to exit polling data.}}}}

We’re happy to help.

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{{{{I found it very interesting to hear Wright explicitly endorse Obama over Hillary in church. Normally when evangelical preachers cross the political line they get hammered for violating the separation of church and state. One pastor I know invited a local Republican official to give his personal testimony in church and had to answer to the IRS for it. How come black churches engage in blatant electioneering, even to the point of busing members to the voting booth, and nobody from the ACLU or the media raises an eyebrow?}}}}

Yes, interesting, isn’t it?

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{{{{CARACAS (Reut

By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

{{{{We used to salute as “Captains of Industry,” risk-takers who invested their own money in order to found solid companies which used their profits to create jobs for all classes of people. These men drove the machine that fueled the American dream.}}}}

{{{{Today, those once proud men are now shunned as “culprits” by liberals, some of whom have grown wealthy investing in the very corporations they seek to vilify and drive into submission via unionization, litigation, regulation, and taxation. And when these burdens become too heavy to bear and these companies are forced to relocate offshore, they are deemed un-American.}}}}

On purpose?

Are the liberals trying to purposefully diminish America’s economic might with taxes, regulations and environmental terrorism?

Think about it for a minute.

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{{{{Sheikh Dr. Abdul Latif Humayeem (Sunni): “We brought this [sectarian] crisis on ourselves. This shared cult of sectarianism bobby-traps our society. Throughout history we have nurtured factionalism — first through differing interpretations of the Quran, then by making these differences sacred and inviolate. Then comes fanaticism and blind, unreasoned violence. It is urgent that we, the leaders of Iraq’s religious communities, lead a move away from this depraved culture of sectarianism toward a culture of unity as an Iraqi nation.”}}}}

What is good for Iraq is not good for the demokrats, how bizzare is that truth?

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

This ranks down there with the Don Knotts cartoon in crassness and tastelessness. You should be ashamed of yourself Luckovich!!!!

By reebok

March 26, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Well put, ML. The media has been complicit in letting the Alcoholic-in-Chief and his band of incompetent Chickenhawks continue obfuscating the reality of our occupation of Iraq.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Is ‘success’ of U.S. surge in Iraq about to unravel?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

New Petraeus plan allows Bush to punt Iraq to successor

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

reebok - I didn’t hear you folks critisizing the ‘media’ when they were reporting hither and thither that the war was going badly and that we were ‘losing.’ In fact, I listened to NPR yesterday afternoon and then to CNN and FOX and I heard a lot, both positive and nagative about how things are going in Iraq. I was frustrated that little is said about Afghanistan, although friends in the military say it is going okay, but that country is a basket case and they don’t see how it can ever be put right as it has never been so in its entire history.

However, the news is quite good out of Iraq. I also think that it is quite telling that we had over 50,000 deaths in Korea in three years and 120,000 in Europe in only 15 months during WWI. Every death is tragic, but we are averaging fewer casualties in Iraq than the military did during the peaceful years of the 1990s!!!

By AmVet

March 26, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Yes, the “liberal” media has pretty much given the blood lusting neo-cons a free pass on this debacle.

And for the spineless 110 Democrats in Congress and the 97% of the reprehensible Republicans (263 out of 270!!!) who enabled these inept posers to needlessly kill 4000 of America’s best and brightest in Iraq - I have one thought for you.

You can all go to hell.

Or better yet - Fallujah.

With NO body armor and with no up-armored vehicles…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Watch The Trailer For “Standard Operating Procedure”

By @@

March 26, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Told ‘ya so ml. There’s something goulish about the left-wing media who waits in anticipation of reaching “A NUMBER.”

Maybe you should have titled your cartoon…

“I’LL BE BACK!!!”

AmVet:

In answer to your question last night:

(((Seriously, @@, what part of “Bush’s War” did you find the most compelling?)))

I didn’t watch “Bush’s War” on PBS, but I will. If the liberals here are any indication, I’m certain there will be reruns.

I can respond to you about the war, in general.

What I find most compelling, is how so many countries around the world have awakened to the threat of terrorism. The sleeping GIANT is not alone in its efforts.

Bosch:

Profanity is something that I rarely use in the company of others, and never in front of my child. I have always, however, discussed sex responsibly with her.

To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

By Georgia 74

March 26, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike, funny and true.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

So Afghanistan being a “basket case” is okay?

I don’t see that as being okay, but that’s just me.

It’s frustrating to me that we don’t hear more about Iraq (and Afghanistan) from the media these days - they are totally fixated on the primary election and who said this and who said that, etc.

But I too am glad that things seem to be going well in Iraq, after five years of a failed occupation, 4000 American deaths and countless Iraqi deaths, and a bankrupted economy, we should be seeing some improvement, that’s for sure.

But like so many in this country - we question if it was worth it.

I say no, but that’s just me and about 2/3rds of the American population.

Someone on the blog the other day mentioned this, can’t remember, I think it was someone calling themselves “Inherit America,” but he pretty much summed up how I feel.

We are trapped in Iraq and the only responsible thing to do is to fix what we’ve broke (or rather buy what we’ve broke). We can’t leave, and we’ll be cleaning up that mess for years at a tremenduous cost to the American taxpayer.

Now, we need to really ask ourselves, are we really prepared to be the sole distributors of democracy around the world? If so, then reinstitute the draft and let all Americans own that, if no, then we need to seriously do some soul searching as a country.

Should we have been concentrating on Afganistan all along? I say yes, but again, that’s me,

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Iraq’s 80,000 Angry Men and the Collapse of the Surge [VIDEO]

By The AllahFuerher

March 26, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

The cartoon is perspicacious. Uncle Sam has no way of getting out of that quicksand, and the public doesn’t understand that he’s trapped, unable to free himself, so the public goes on it’s business unaware that the country is chained forever to the cartographer’s whim that is Iraq.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

@@,

But do you make crude comments about genetalia in front your daughter? I think that’s irresponsible, but that’s just me.

I talk about sex openly and freely with my children too, but I use the right words. When people have unnatural hang ups about sex, and frequently use inappropriate sexual language, it usually is symptomatic of some deeper sexual frustration and some serious issues with self confidence, or in a child’s case, can be a symptom of sex abuse.

Not to say that’s indicative of you, but I’m just saying in general.

If you and your daughter want to do that. Then who am I to judge.

“Curse” words are just that, words. Nothing more, nothing less. They are sentence enhancers. Someone along the line made them ugly, like sex talk, but cussing isn’t an indication of some kind of deeper social issue - constant use of inappropriate sexual language is.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Cheney: staying in Iraq is like pardoning Nixon.

By @@

March 26, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch:

AmVet comes in with the same post time and time again so I hit him with the same insult if he leaves himself open like he did yesterday. That’s just me.

I let my daughter choose the words she’s most comfortable with. The objective is not to turn her off to the discussion. When she was young I used the appropriate anatomical language. As she got older she preferred the “common” usage.

Her opinion on profanity is that it exhibits a limited vocabulary, and a choice for ignorance. So again, I honor her preference. That’s just me.

I’m off to a doctor’s appointment.

By mike

March 26, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Its quite amazing that there are some here who believe since there is less news coverage about Iraq and Afganistan then everything is going ok. The news agencies dont carry news about the war anymore. And why is my nephew going back for the third time for a tour of 18 months after doing 2 one year tours. Have people gotten so stupid that they actually believe what these repturds are putting out.

By The AllahFuerher

March 26, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Andy, good point. There are a billion muslims. A larger percentage of the devout convert from buddhism to zorastrianism than convert from islam to christianity, but I like how you blaspheme against the tiny little baby easter bunny who was born of a pooka, and became hare, was skinned and fried for our din-dins on Easter Day.

.. I could use a man like you (and all your rare-bits) as a troll on my new blog.

By RW-(the original)

March 26, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Bosch 9:10,

I know you hate it when someone tells you what you’re doing but I’m not one to parse words. You are overreacting to the point of making yourself look like a complete and total fool over a pretty funny line @@ made to Blowhard, AKA David Goyer, yesterday. The one with issues on the topic has to be you.

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Bosch - I did not say that and it is quite disengenuous for you to parse words - I guess you are imitating the Clintons. I was echoing the frustration people have had about Afghanistan since the Persians first became acquainted with that backwater nation. I did NOT say that it was all right. I just stated the fact that it is a basket case. Now, how do we fix that? I have no idea, and certainly the Afghanis don’t!!

By Jesus

March 26, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By getalife

March 26, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Told ya it was unraveling in Iraq.

First he blamed Whitey and now the Jews:

“Obama advisor blames ‘New York, Miami Jews’ for failed peace process

General Merrill “Tony” McPeak, Senator Barack Obama’s military advisor and co-chair of his presidential campaign is a longtime anti-Israeli critic who has slammed Israel harshly during his career. McPeak also charged that Jews and Christian Zionists manipulated American foreign policy in Iraq.”

His radical kook preacher is in hiding, he went on vacation to “just be left alone” and is not ready for prime time.

He should drop out if he wants to be left alone.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

@@,

Yours or your daughter’s opinion of profanity is none of my business, nor none of my concern.

I guess one could argue that knowing and using slang words to describe particular parts of anatomy is building one’s vocabulary.

I only care about the opinion of people who are important to me, and none of them care if I use “curse” word. So be it.

But if you think that using “curse” words is indicative of ignorance, then that’s your right to think that, as is my right to think that those who use inappropriate sexual language is symptomatic of a deeper social problem. An opinion, I might add, that many psychiatrists share.

Have fun at the doctor, I hope he uses the right anatomical words.

By Goldie

March 26, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Yes, the media makes some kind of an event out of the 4000 dead in Iraq — and nary a mention of how many Americans are possibly maimed for life… last I heard, which was sometime last year, we have over 30,000 American casualties, all because of Bush’s Neo-con desire for war-profiteering. This should be the real story hammered by our “liberal” media, so why don’t we hear much of anything about what the Neo-conservatives have planned for over a decade for the Middle East???

By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

5 years of war in Iraq, five years of squealing hysterical liberal predictions have all turned out wrong, so why would anybody believe a damn thing the pinkos say now?:

{{{{Iraq’s prime minister issued gunmen in the southern oil port of Basra a three-day deadline to surrender their weapons and sign a pledge renouncing violence.}}}}

This coming from a “non” government threatening radicals with their “non” army.

We shall see what I speak of.

And so shall Mookie.

Bwa.

By The AllahFuerher

March 26, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Goldie: Good point. Hillary’s writers dont know how to form the language necessary to frame an issue in a vote winning fashion. They miss by a mile every time. They are hacks who got where they are because they sold out, and now dont know how to express themselves without putting their left foot in their mouths.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Sorry, if I misspoke on your behalf, but I was commenting on this:

“I was frustrated that little is said about Afghanistan, although friends in the military say it is going okay, but that country is a basket case’

I see now that your FRIEND said the war is going okay, but then you said it was a basket case.

My apologies.

I still am of the opinion that leaving Afghanistan as a “basket case” is not okay, nor an option. Not that you said that or anything, I’m just offering my opinion.

I don’t have an idea either, and I certainly do not think our current administration does as well. That’s the problem I have with these two military fronts.

Now, I have never been in the military and know very little about military strategy, only that what we have now just doesn’t seem to be going well, but maybe I’m wrong, what do I know -

I digress - but isn’t there a “rule of war” somewhere, maybe someone can help me out with this - that there needs to be some reasonable assurance of success BEFORE you proceed. If not, then shouldn’t you rethink your strategy until you do have a reasonable assurance of success?

I remember that in the back of my brain from some philosophy class way back in the day.

Did George W. Bush not learn that at Yale? In at least ONE class? Or didn’t one of his military advisors know this? Maybe they think that philosophy is bullsh!t (sorry, couldn’t help it).

I guess no one got my joke earlier about “curse” words being “sentence enhancers.” Oh well, maybe someone will later.

By Goldie

March 26, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

McBush wants Americans to believe that we can’t leave Iraq because “the surge is working” — and he doesn’t care what anyone else says about that.

Anyone want to bet that McBush will also claim that we can’t leave Iraq because the violence is back up and the surge is still not working???

McBush keeps stating that we can’t leave Iraq until we have a “victory” — Fine. What’s wrong with declaring victory now and planning our phased withdrawal now, because how does America “win” an occupation??? How does our occupation help the Iraqis to solve their problems with one another, when they keep seeing our troops patrolling thru their streets everyday of the week???

The Middle East will never calm down as long as an American occupation continues…

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

No One Wants To Be A Republican

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Good morning RW,

How is it that President George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States, is a good example of a United States President who demonstrates good international policy?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Today

4001

By censor

March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Bosch, quit breaking the curse rules a*****. We have these “**” in place for a reason b***.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

McQaeda

By RW-(the original)

March 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I would look at Libya and North Korea for starters. Another place you might look is the NIE that said Iran stopped it’s nuclear weapons aspirations (one I wouldn’t put much stock in) in 2003. What happened in 2003 to make Iran think American policy may have changed from one of passive diplomacy with no teeth to one of action?

It really doesn’t matter though because leftists in general are pretty close minded and you’re one of the least informed of any of them so with your combination of a closed mind and a lack of intellectual curiosity my words are wasted on you.

Try to answer a question if you want to see if you can exhibit some outside the box thinking. If we had done nothing with respect to Iraq and the UN sanctions had been lifted as they were well on their way to being through the corruption of our “allies” in the oil for food scandal would an unchecked Saddam with billions in oil revenue and the ability to make chemical and biological weapons that could easily be passed off to surrogates be a risk you would have been willing to give President Bush a pass on had those weapons killed a few hundred thousand people in downtown Atlanta?

Perhaps your (collective your not your personal) hysterical rush to blame him exclusively for 9/11 gave him the impression you were interested in preventing future attacks.

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch - I also don’t like to see any nation be a basket case, but sometimes people get the government they deserve (as Churchill said). Bangladesh is also a basket case, as are at least three dozen African nations. I don’t know how to solve the problems and I think it is the duty of the citizens of those countries to do so. I just made the point that Afghanistan has always been a basket case. Part of the problem is owing to geography. Part of it is competing sects within the predominant religion and part of it has to do with basic linguistic and cultural differences. The country also has a low literacy rate, and the population is hostile to the modern world and real education. If you have a solution, please let all of us know. However, as I stated earlier, it has been a basket case since the days of Alexander the Great! The Mongols even had big problems with these nuts. Again, what is your solution?

By AmVet the Coward

March 26, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Hey AmVet, why don’t you take your chicken liver coward a$$ and go crawl back under your rock. Your posts shows your yellow strip to be a mile wide.

I doubt that you ever served this country other than by living off welfare and the hard work of others.

You are one big disgrace to the proud veterans of this country.

By Goldie

March 26, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

{{I bet it’s a lot like how I feel when my dog corrects my grammar in front of people.}}

InTheNews @ 10:11 — great link… I’m laughing ‘cause it hurts so bad!

How come McQaeda gets a free ride from the MSM about his lack of foreign policy knowledge? Or is he just continuing the Bush tradition of conflating all “terrrrrists” with Al-Qaeda?

And wouldn’t McQaeda\Lieberman be the perfect Repug ticket for November? Quite a stark contrast from the potential Obama\Richardson ticket, yes?

By tiff

March 26, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

The Devil You Say, I wish you would go back and read your 8:30 post. You sound like a bigger idiot than those idiots we have in Washington and those idiots we have in the right-wing media. “There are some positives in Iraq” and “My military friends tell me things are going okay in Afghanistan”. There is nothing positive or okay about war. These brave young men and women are getting blown to bits and pieces. They see there friends and comrads daily getting killed, wounded, and disfigured for life. And you, Bush, and Cheney say “OH, THINGS ARE GOING OKAY”. I don’t know what you people have in the place of a heart, but these are real human lives being destroyed and you act as if you are playing with toy soldiers on a kids bedroom floor. If there are so many things going good with this war. Why has the suicide rate almost double among American servicemen and women in Iraq since 2004. The reason these people tell you things are going okay in Iraq is because they are not the ones over there fighting. They are the pencil pushers, and the ones that take the 3:00 a.m. phone calls to start the wars then sit back and let all this death and destruction happen. Then tell idiots like you everything is okay. Well, because we sponsor servicemen in Iraq, I know several young men who have been killed and I personally know three that are over there fighting at this moment. Believe you me things are not okay, and they can tell you there are no positives about this war. This is right-wing propaganda they tell people like you because they know you don’t have a brain to think for yourself.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Basra - Cheney’s Reward to Oil Pal al-Hakim

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Pentagon agency confuses Iran with Iraq in official history

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Bush waives law to give millions to Pakistan’s anti-terror fight

By The AllahFuerher

March 26, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

The Insurgency is in it’s last throes.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

RW,

First of all I don’t think Saddam would have gone “unchecked.” Saddam Hussein hadn’t been “unchecked” in years, and if sanctions were on their way to being lifted, well, that does not mean that our intelligence force would not have continued to monitor his and his military’s movements. We know what people are doing.

He “could have” made all these weapons, but why would he? For the money? Because he hates America? Lots of dictators hate America, it simply does not mean that they are going to see WMD to be used against us.

It’s like I said the other day, he didn’t have the capability then, although he certainly wanted people to think he did, he just didn’t have it, and if we’d given inspectors a little more time, we would have known that for sure instead of speculating one way or the other.

In my opinion, wars should never begin until you know for certain there is a danger, and like I said earlier, with some assurance of success - otherwise, it seems to me a waste. If you can’t guarantee those conditions, that doesn’t mean defeat, it means you re-think your plan.

Anyone can say, “what if,” “what if.” But that is no reason to attack. Pre-emptive attacks, at least in my opinion, are in no way indicative of what a nation like ours should aspire to. I have confidence in our military to handle such immenent dangerous situations as has been demonstrated with intercepted terrorism plots since 9/11.

RB was right the other day when he told me that criticizing now does no good, but the stubborn side of me couldn’t admit he was right, but I concede that now.

Yes, it does no good to criticize now what we did then, but we can certainly learn from it.

I certainly do not blame Bush for 9/11, I blame Osama bin Laden, and al-Qaeda.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

The ongoing exclusion of war opponents from the Iraq debate

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

tiff - I don’t think that I have ever said that war is good and desirable thing. Neither do I think that toothaches are either. By your logic, we should abolish dentistry because when you go that is painful and therefore if we don’t go and we don’t have dentists then toothaches will go away. You might as well try to abolish human nature. Trying to get this logical point across to ‘militant’ pacifists and those who have spent their lives believing anti-American propaganda that the ills of the world are caused totally by the actions of the ‘evil’ United States, is really a waste of cyberspace.

As Ronald Reagan said: “If marching and protesting would stop wars and cause everyone to cooperate and live together peacefully, then I would be the first to march.” However, the world does not work that way. Wars are sometimes necessary because we get attacked by implacable enemies who want to destroy us. The most inane peace movements swept Europe and the world right before both World Wars. These movements did not stop the aggression - in fact, they led to a lack of preparedness for them. In the 1930s the Oxford Student Union voted to abolish war. These dreamers really thought that was all you had to do.

We have voted over and over again to abolish murder. Has that worked? The world will always have evil in it and we, as decent human beings, must be ready to combat that evil. War is not desirable, but it is going much better. That is a fact. Pulling out will not help. That is a fact. Your solution will only make the long-term prospects for peace much less likely. It will embolden our enemies and put our friends on notice that we are a bunch of whimps.

tiff- please move to an Amish community. You will be welcomed with open arms.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

“but sometimes people get the government they deserve”

I could make a really bad horrible joke, but I won’t.

I guess you missed this part of my earlier post:

“I don’t have an idea either, and I certainly do not think our current administration does as well. That’s the problem I have with these two military fronts”

I too think that it is up to a nation to change itself from within - isn’t that one of the basis of democracy?

That is why, I feel, our continued presence in Iraq is only delaying the democratic process. The Iraqis will tire of fighting with each other and start creating solutions for themselves, that are intrinsic to their nation, not ours. They have to do it themselves - just like the Afghanis.

I certainly think we owe it to these people to help the process along, but not necessarily with military interactions. At least in Iraq, now in Afghanistan, I want to see full military practice until OBL is found.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Presence, presence, I meant to say “full military PRESENCE until OBL is found.” Not practice.

By RW-(the original)

March 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

You don’t have the first clue about what Saddam’s Iraq was capable of and neither did out intelligence services. We know for an absolute fact, as do many Kurds that scraped their family members off the streets to bury them, that he had chemical weapons capability and you don’t have to fly an Iraqi Airways plane a few thousand miles to pass that off to anyone that wants to let loose a cannister or rent a plane anywhere else in the world. By the way, the inspectors even said they were getting the same old run around and Saddam’s castles were off limits for the most part.

As for your last paragraph that’s why I said the “your” was collective and if you don’t think the grandstanding of the left in trying to spin every shred of testimony before the Clinton Coverup Commission into a direct blame of Bush for not ——->preventing<——- the attacks of 9/11 and had an effect on future decisions you’re even more clueless than I give you credit for now.

We’ll never agree that on balance Iraq was a good idea and I can certainly see the argument that we didn’t need to begin when we did, but I’ll steadfastly defend our decision to stand fast and make it work rather than just cut and run leaving behind a failed state that jeopardizes the world we know in ways far greater than Hitler’s Germany ever did.

I’m heading out to make some of that filthy lucre. Enjoy!

You may want to read this in my absence.

Electric shocks were delivered via electrodes attached to a plastic syringe, the needle of which “was inserted into the urethra of the victim’s sexual organ,” Badawi added. “The pain was atrocious.”

Nice guy.

By The AllahFuerher

March 26, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Americans have to stay on their toes because the insurgency is in it’s last throes.

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Bosch - you are beating a dead horse unnecessarily. What is a fact is a fact. We fought and won a two front war 1941-1945. Britain and France fought and won a multi-front war in World War I. Sure they are not desirable. As a military strategy, they are absolutely undesirable, as even old scramble brains Hitler knew. He did it anyway.

We have two fronts. We can and will win on both. Again, as Churchill said and FDR agreed, you fight the enemy where you find him. That is why we hit the Axis Powers in North Africa because, as the Dieppe landing proved, we were not ready for a full scale invaision of France. We nibbled a the allegator’s solf underbelly (Africa, Greece and Italy) until it was sufficiently weakened. The strategy today is much the same. We must outlast them. This is a war not only of might and men, but a psychological war. We are battling for hearts and minds, souls if you will.

The problem with too many of those on the left is the problem that used to afflict mostly those on the right - they think that somehow making nice, appeasing or just isolating ourselves, will make it all right. Our enemies don’t see it that way. We can completely withdraw, but they will still see us as a threat because so many want what we have - freedom and prosperity. The first is the most important of the two.

Radical Muslims cannot tolerate freedom of thought among their people because then they would lose their power to control those people. They are much like Sauron in “The Lord of the Rings.” They cannot tolerate anyone living happy and free. Their object is totaly subjugation of the Earth.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

RW,

“We’ll never agree that on balance Iraq was a good idea”

I never said that I think Iraq wasn’t a threat, just not an immediate threat to US. To the KURDS, yes, he was an immediate and extremely dangerous threat! To the United States, no, he wasn’t an immediate threat, he was a threat, not an immediate threat.

In my opinion, you don’t pre-emptively strike nations who pose a threat unless there is a plane on it’s way to dump said chemical weapons. I think our Air Force can handle that one. Maybe I’ve naive to think that way, who knows?

“make it work rather than just cut and run leaving behind a failed state that jeopardizes the world we know in ways far greater than Hitler’s Germany ever did”

But we do agree on that at least. It would be irresponsible not too, and pretty damn dangerous for us all.

By President George W. Bush

March 26, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

I don’t think 4,000 troops have been killed in Iraq. I talked to all of my friends and not a one of them has lost any of their children over there.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Abu Ghraib

One picture is worth a thousand words.

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch you contradict yourself also. Calling for our full military presence until OBL is found is rather silly. If the Afghanis are to take care of their problems, then they can be trusted to hunt down OBL. That is certainly not the case. And the Iraqi government wants us to stay. We do provide an element of security and stabilty they are currently lacking. Leaving now would be like leaving Germany right after World War II. Remember we did that right after World War I and what did it get us? We had to start calling these wars by their numbers!!!

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Like I said, I’m not a military strategist by any means, but I choose not to compare apples and oranges (Iraq/Afghanistan and WWII). It just seems waste of time.

“The strategy today is much the same”

And which beach do we invade when we gloriously defeat al-Qaeda? Which army do we snip at their underbelly? They are EVERYWHERE. It’s like herding cats.

I also choose not to be swooned by hyperbole:

“We must outlast them. This is a war not only of might and men, but a psychological war. We are battling for hearts and minds, souls if you will”

I’m a pragmatist.

But I will make a simple comparison of the Iraq war to another war fought by Americans - the Revolutionary War. In that war, British soldiers were sent across the Atlantic to fight a guerilla force (us at the time), and it didn’t work out too well for them. Why? They were cut off from their resources and were worn down by their enemy. Sustainability is a real important function in warfare. That I do know.

Take that how you want to. I just thought I’d throw it out there.

I always try to be a “half full” kind of person, and I’m glad things are going well in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are winning now, right?

However, I don’t think we can fully claim victory until we define what it is we are trying to be successful at.

I’m off until later as well. Have a pleasant afternoon.

By tiff

March 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

There has been a lot of talk about the Reverend Wright being a racist, and hating America. Since when is telling the truth being racist and unpatriotic. I love this country as much as the next person. But I also believe you reap what you sow. The reverend was trying to make a point, but most people are to dense to get it. The point is “God is damning this country for all the wrong and bad she has done to the rest of the world”. This war is just one example of the many wrongs America has done in history. What he was talking about is what most people call “KARMA”. Ministers who study the bible call it what GOD calls it, “JUDGEMENT”. As for Barack I don’t hold him accountable for what his reverend said. He said he was not there when that particular sermon was preached, and I for one believe him. Besides most people don’t agree with everything their ministers say anyway. They listen, then relate it to what the bible says.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Mr. Devil,

Just saw your last post - maybe I did contradict myself - so what? It really doesn’t matter what I think, but call me crazy, I’d much rather the United States military find and capture Osama bin Laden personally. Let us deal with him.

Of course the Iraqi GOVERNMENT wants us there - we pay for everything! We stablize everything! We’ll keep them from being overthrown! We’ll keep them from being shot!

The Iraqi PEOPLE want us to hit the road and go home! Hmmmmm, I wonder why? It’s up to the PEOPLE to determine what happens to their country, that’s what freedom and democracy is all about.

Later!

By Loretta

March 26, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

How Hillary gonna take care of this country, when she can’t even take care of her man?

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Bosch - the great irony in your analogy is that you made my point by using the American Revolution. You also forget that the guerilla war was also a civil war, and in large part that was a draw. The loyalists only gave up when the British left. The British parliament lost the will to continue the fight. Had they decided to outlast us, they most certainly would have. The British and the French did continue to fight and finally France was so weakened that that nation decended into revolution less than eight years after Yorktown.

I am actually the pragmatist. I realize that they are everywhere, so if we stop engaging them in Iraq, we will eventually have to engage them somewhere else, probably here. We have a growing, hostile and militant Muslim population in Europe and North America. They come for the economic opportunities, but they refuse to integrate into the larger society or respect the traditions of those societies. I know because I’ve lived over there. My last visit was quite recent and the conduct of the Muslim North Africans was appalling. Their militancy is anything but the live and let live so many on the left have deluded themselves into believing is possible.

We must be in it to win. Pulling out will send the worst signal you can send to these people - weakness!

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Bosch - At this point I am much more concerned about our national security. Also, there will be no real democracy or manifestation of the will of the people without our stablizing influence. It is in our national security interest to stay. Period. So we should. We will. Hitlery and Barak are tearing each other up and McCain is the beneficiary.

tiff - I am sorry that you blame America for all the bad in the world and fail to see all the good that we do, and we do a lot. Please list all of the things that God should ‘damn’ America for please? Sins of the past? You sound like an old testament guy or maybe a fundamentalist Muslim. That is their philosophy.

By tiff

March 26, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

The Devil You Say, I don’t live my life by what Ronald Wilson Reagan says. I can think for myself. And I don’t think you want to be comparing going to the dentist, to getting your arms and legs blown off by a road-side bomb either. Truth is you did say there are some positives in Iraq, and that your military friends said things are okay in Afghanistan. My point is they are all liars. This is war and no matter how you slice it it is ugly to the core. The people fighting this bad-boy on the ground are the only ones who opinions I want to hear. Not yours and I certainly don’t want to hear you hatch up something that Ronald Reagan said.

By AmVet

March 26, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

@@, thanks for the honest reply to my question.

The reason so many of us bicker back and forth about this war is that while some see the Iraq invasion as part of the nebulously named “war on terror”, others of us see it as completely misguided and counter-productive.

The documentary that the “faithful” will never watch for fear of learning what they probably suspect but really don’t want to know, however accurately exposes how the Bush administration essentially lied to the American public and manipulated the responsible parties (CIA, FBI and numerous other internal agencies, individuals and international organizations) to get the invasion they desperately wanted.

It is obvious, even to many who once resisted the admission, that the invasion and occupation of Iraq had nothing to do with Al-Quaeda, or WMDs or the Iraqi people. Nor do I believe did it have anything to do with their oil. We still effectively “own” the Saudis.

It had everything to do with getting rid of Saddam, the man who survived Bush 41’s Iraqi smackdown. And IMHO, W thereby thought he could restore his daddy’s otherwise good name.

I don’t many who didn’t support that endeavor to free Kuwait or W’s kicking the Taliban’s a$$ in Afghanistan.

But this?!

The reasons to justify the war in Iraq have shifted like desert sand and the American people generally don’t like to be lied to, no matter the cause.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Sign the McCain FEC Complaint Letter

By President George W. Bush

March 26, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t care what the polls say. My approval rating in the Bush clan, oil and gas industry and the defense industry is 100%

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

The Sins of America

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Stupid and Sinful: How America Can Be Number One Again

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Proud Left-Wing Liberal…………Every great advance our country has made has been prompted by liberal, progressive thinkers who realized change was necessary. Liberals stood at the front of the civil rights movement and they stopped the war in Vietnam. Liberals led the women’s suffrage movement and they were the people who gave our country its conscience in the fight to end slavery. …………………. Liberals are people who believe, like Jefferson, that our country and our culture are best judged by how we treat the least of our citizens. They believe in a tax code that is progressive enough to help families and puts a greater share of responsibility for funding government on the corporations that are making huge profits. Liberals prefer to spend money on programs that give the disadvantaged a chance in America instead of buying and building tanks and guns that are outdated in the war on terrorism. We want a strong defense but demand accountability from the Pentagon and defense contractors…………… Liberals want the government to devote less money to Halliburton and more money to stem cell research so that great scientists don’t leave America to do their research in foreign lands. Liberals think this is the kind of endeavor where America is supposed to lead. We believe that the life of an an 18 year-old soldier called up to Iraq is more important than the viability of a fertilized egg. We think it is impossible to be pro-life and pro-war at the same time. …………………….. Liberals believe in the Constitution and do not believe that religion ought to be included in any of our public institutions or laws. We know a vast number of people who founded our country were running from despots who tried to tell them how to worship. We do not believe America is a Christian nation. We believe it is a nation where people can worship as they want and the predominant religion happens to be Christianity but we don’t want to force those beliefs on Jews, Muslims, Hindu, or anyone else. Liberals think the conservatives ought to go back and re-read the founding document if they feel they need clarification.

By The Devil You Say

March 26, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

tiff - you are spouting the stuff that I heard George McGovern say thirty six years ago. You are like most liberals and NOT thinking at all for yourself. I cite Mr. Reagan to bolster a position that I promise I arrived at independently. From reading what you are saying, I imagine that any original though you may have ever had died of loneliness!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Why Conservatives Can’t Govern

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Today’s GOP: When You Run Out of Ideas, Attack the Constitution!

By AmVet

March 26, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

OK, ALL the silly debate amongst the neo-cons is over. Over I said!

If you are a Republican you WILL vote for the RINO McCain.

The power of Nancy compels you. The power of Nancy compels you. The power of Nancy compels you.

Nancy Reagan endorses McCain

http://newsmax.com/headlines/mccainnancyreagan/2008/03/25/83039.htmlancy

But zooks.

Just when you think the GOP infighting is finally over, the Amnesty King goes and says we need to buy into that CRAZY non-go it alone, rogue cowboy policy!

LOS ANGELES — John McCain, outlining his foreign policy positions on the heels of an overseas trip, is renewing his call for the United States to work more collegially with democratic nations and live up to its duties as a world leader.

“Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed,” the Republican said in prepared remarks a few days after returning from the Middle East and Europe. “We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies.”

By tiff

March 26, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

It’s funny to me that everytime someone has an unpleasant word to say about this country people try and label them as Muslim, or un-American. That mess don’t fly with me. I know who and what I am, and I will never answer to the likes of you. Truth is I love this country, but unlike you I have a spine. I know that everything in this country is not perfect. Only a person without a spine is to scared to admit it. You see you look to this country and the president as you saviour. As for that list you want from me of all the bad things we have done. You said we do a lot of good, I don’t see your list posted either. Another thing, people like you always twist other peoples words to get your point across. Not once did I blame America for “all” the bad in the world. Nor did I say we never do any good. I know a lot of people in this country that do good everyday. Helping out their fellow man (be them American or other). I’m not saying all Americans are bad, that would be the biggest lie ever told. I’m talking about those who choose to use their positions to wage war at the drop of a hat and make life on earth a living hell, for not only our soldiers but innocent people all around the world. And whether you admit it or not, most of the people hurt by war are the innocent. And for that philosophy you were talking about, what gives you lame-brains the right to categorize people because of what they think.

By Copyleft

March 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

The Devil: What does the war in Iraq have to do with fighting terrorism?

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

It is connected, but obliquely. “those that harbor terrorists” is a carte blanche license to invade any country. Even the USA, because there are sleeper cells here, so…..

Pakistan is the main culprit but we need pakistan overland army resupply routes into afghanistan so we cant really do nothing to them…..seems a shame.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

I just had a thought while I was out just now.

I heard one too many people say, “Better to fight them over there, then over here.”

Well, I think we’ve been going about this the wrong way.

Aren’t we the biggest bad a*******es on the planet? How many millions of Americans own guns?

I say, bring ‘em on, but bring ‘em on OVER HERE.

Isn’t it pretty cowardly to fight our enemy in someone else’s country? How many thousands or millions of innocent Iraqis have died or lossed loved ones because of OUR enemy. THEIR enemy was Saddam Hussein and he’s dead. Now they are trapped in a non-ending conflict because of OUR enemy.

I think it’s pretty damn irresponsible and cowardly of us to march around the world destroying other countries when it’s US Al-Qaeda wants. So I say bring ‘em on.

Home field advantage is always the best, and I think people totally overestimate al-Qaeda’s strength. But I say challenge them to fight us over here, because I would actually go out and buy a gun and shoot any rag headed freak who dared step foot on my property with the intent to kill me or my family.

Sure we’ll have casualties, we’ve already got around 7500 or so, but this is OUR war and since it is so vital to ALL Americans I say let ALL Americans fight it.

Sure I might die, but I’m not afraid of death, and sure I might loose a son or daughter, but I’d be in the company and have the support of at least 8000 parents in this country who’ve gone through it.

Hell, we might even gain a little international respect back.

Get the enemy here, cut them off from their resources, wear them down to nothing and send them to glory to meet up with their 72 virgins.

Nobody would mess with us again.

Whose with me?

By W stands for worst

March 26, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

What RW and The Devil and most of the GOP lovers on this post dont get is that after September 11th, Bush had the opportunity to squash Al-Queda and OBL in Afghanistan and chose another path. So if we are attacked in the near future even if it isnt on his watch it will be on his head because he had the opportunity to confront and defeat them and for whatever reason he chose oil over defeating terrorism……

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

The Pilot that shot his plane in the cockpit has been grounded. How many of us knew this was bound to happen? Will it happen again? Is Obama related to this pilot?

Arming civilians to fight militia always ends in accidental catastrophe. Always. Pilot are not trained. Just what can the pilot do with a handgun anyway? Think about how stupid it is.

Think. That’s what most of you dont do.

Try it, you’ll realize how primitive our world is.

By tiff

March 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Devil, since I wasn’t around 36 years ago and don’t know a darn thing about McGovern. Let’s just say you give me this one.

By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch March 26, 2008 1:44 PM I heard one too many people say, “Better to fight them over there, then over here.” Well, I think we’ve been going about this the wrong way. Aren’t we the biggest bad a*es on the planet? How many millions of Americans own guns? I say, bring ‘em on, but bring ‘em on OVER HERE.}}}}

Bosch: I know you are just being naive but what you “had” was a “revelation.”

It was derived from your, uh, thoughts.

Just a few questions, how are you going to trick them onto the boat that brings them over here?

Surely you don’t want to put them on a jumbo jet, that last time didn’t work out so well.

Know what I mean?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Private IN THE (Hussein) NEWS reporting for duty SIR!

You go dude!

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Carbon Footprint,

“Arming civilians to fight militia always ends in accidental catastrophe. Always.”

Oh no! That’s not what the 2nd Amendment says!

It’s our RIGHT to own a gun, to ensure a well-trained militia.

I say let’s arm all Americans to the GILLS, get these turban wearing freaks over here on our turf, and blow ‘em to glory to meet up with their virgins.

“Burp,” excuse me.

By Midori

March 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’m with you too.

200 percent.

what a delightfully erudite post.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Andy,

But see, that’s the beauty of my plan, we LET them come over, we challenge them to a throw down.

If they get on a boat, we get our Navy to blow it up! If they get on a jumbo jet, we’ll know it, we get our Air Force to shoot it down!

They get here, we surround them, we blow them all to hell (or their version of it), and PRESTO - WE WIN!!!!

Don’t you see?

You’re not trying to make excuses are you? We are the biggest baddest, and brightest around.

Like I said, there may be casualties, but I’m not afriaid, and neither should ANY American - we ARE the few, the proud, the free.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

STAND BESIDE HER, AND GUIDE HER, THROUGH THE NIGHT, WITH THE LIGHT, FROM ABOVE!!!!

FROM THE MOUNTAINS, TO THE PRAIRIES, TO THE OCEANS, WHITE WITH FOAM!

GOD BLESS AMERICA, MY HOME SWEET HOME!!

Sing it with me everybody!

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

It seems now that the only person Obama is not connected to someway is his pastor.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 26, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

GOTTA LOVE KATE SMITH!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Cheney, Brad Pitt….it seems the only person Obama is not connected to in some way is his pastor.

By mm

March 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

The Bush admin bungles another one

By AmVet

March 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

With the revered Nancy’s endorsement of the amnesty loving RINO, I wondered what that haglodyte Man Coulter had been up to lately.

You know, the one who said she’d vote for Hillary before the liberal from Arizona.

I haven’t heard squat since she stuck her foot in her mouth about the Christ-killers on Donnie Deutsch’s show a few months back.

I ran across this gem though and now I better understand why the neo-cons and “Christian” flat-earthers love seeing this planet raped. (Wait for it Neoliths!)

“God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’”—-Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

No wonder these cretins just adore pollution and so vehemently deny the mountains of ever-growing evidence about man-induced global warming.

God told them to!

Your social “conservatives” at work, busy raping the planet…

By getalife

March 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Whites, Jews and now Italians:

“Obama’s pastor slurs Italians in magazine:

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Obama has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.”

Geez.

By AmVet

March 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

And he was more relevant and outlasted Fat Fred, Flip-floppin’ Mitt and Rudy the baby killer.

{{{{There used to be an organization for people who believed in a truly limited government — limited taxes, limited spending, limited interference in individual lives and limited intervention in foreign affairs. That organization was known as the Republican Party. But the only one of those beliefs that still motivates the G.O.P. establishment is limited taxes.

Ron Paul was the only candidate that held up the mirror to the modern Republican Party. When his fellow candidates denounced big government, Paul was there to remind them that President Bush and the G.O.P. Congress had shattered spending records and exploded the deficit.

When they hailed freedom, Paul asked why they all supported the Patriot Act and other expansions of executive power.

And when they called themselves conservatives, Paul asked what was so conservative about sending thousands of young Americans to try to transform the Middle East.

But even if Paul’s ideological purity is never going to get him to the White House, it does help illuminate the impurities — and sometimes the hypocrisies — of today’s Republicans, just as Ralph Nader can do for the Democrats. The G.O.P. candidates all claimed to defend taxpayers, but Paul was the only one who refused to accept a taxpayer-funded pension or taxpayer-funded junkets. The candidates all talked about shrinking big government, but Paul was the only one who included the Pentagon and NSA wiretaps and petroleum subsidies in his definition. Bush’s approval ratings have been abysmal for years, but Paul was the only Republican who really campaigned for change.}}}}

By @@

March 26, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

9:46

(((Yours or your daughter’s opinion of profanity is none of my business, nor none of my concern.)))

Then why seek to engage me in the conversation. I was simply extending a courtesy in response to your post made last night:

(((@@,)))

(((Oh, I know, I’d rather them “cuss.”)))

(((Care to have a serious conversation about that? (Cussing)))

My doctor referred to my shoulder as my shoulder, and the joint as my shoulder joint. I’m pretty sure they are telling them in med school to use layman’s terms. Makes the interraction between patient and doctor more personal - doing away with the god complex thingy.

Oddly enough Bosch, my daughter has just completed her BA in Psychology and is on to her masters in Cognitive Language Pathology.

On her last visit home she wanted to share a recent study on using humor in teaching. It seems that they’ve run imaging of the brain during verbal instruction. The receptors light up when humor is used. They remain dormant when a clinical approach is taken.

So….I’ll have fun with sex while you take a more clinical “sterile” approach.

Agreed?

AmVet:

(((It had everything to do with getting rid of Saddam, the man who survived Bush 41’s Iraqi smackdown. And IMHO, W thereby thought he could restore his daddy’s otherwise good name.)))

You cannot possibly believe ^^^ that to be true. It simply flies in the face of basic human instinct.

Granted, Bush is not the great communicator, but the outcome has and will render positive results.

Off to the track. If RW is doing five then I’m doing 7.

By @@

March 26, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Oops! that post was intended in response to Bosch’s 9:46.

By Jeff Gannon

March 26, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Dubya told Al Qaeda to “bring it”.

They keep tearing him a new one.

He told me to “bring it” too. I tore him a new one - he loved it.

He kept inviting me back until that darn media caught me.

By Bosch

March 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

@@,

Your 8:42 post was in response to my post from last night, at least that’s what I thought.

My 9:46 post was in response to your 9:27 post in which you mentioned your daughter’s opinion of profanity, in which I responded at 9:46, that her opinion wasn’t any of my business or concern. I was simply, like you, extending the same courtesy of a response.

“So….I’ll have fun with sex while you take a more clinical “sterile” approach.

Agreed?”

@@,

Again, I’m sorry, but that’s really inappropriate. While you may find it humorous to discuss your sex life on this blog, I prefer to be private about those matters. Okay?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 26, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

-=-

Hmmm — More of the follies of the “Lazy Americans”….

We outsource our “Service Caller’ and “High Tech” jobs to India (and other countries). And then we train them too, and pay them large salaries to take these jobs for us. And of course the companies that remain solely based in the USA are failing bit by bit. So outside of the CEO’s and those other execs safely equipped with golden parachutes, why is anyone surprised when companies lose billions of money in the USA and jobs go bye bye?

Ford -=- and their employees -=- are now the latest casualty of outsourcing.

Sold for a song!~

Cheers’

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ooops =- I forgot to add the link about outsourcing that should have come before the “sale of Jag/LR” link above…

This was in 2006 when Ford thought it would be a good idea to outsource to India — Now India is buying them out of business for a Bahr’ghan’…

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Richard Widmark, who is related to Obama, died today at 93. Doctors say he’ll be fine.

Obama seems to be related to so many people. Brad Pitt….Cheney….about the only person Obama is not connected to in any way now is his pastor, eh?

By Carbon Footprint

March 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

We just wanted to wish Obama luck and say that we’ve all got confidence in him and know he’ll do fine.

By Sander Rausch

March 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Did one of the Barack Obamas die recently? Which one?

By Devastator

March 26, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Could Clinton Drop Out on May 7? Andrew Romano

First came Super Tuesday, with 24 contests and nearly 1,700 delegates up for grabs. Then it was the Texas two-step and primaries in Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island on March 4. Now, according to Chris Bowers of Open Left, the latest, greatest Decision Day 2008 ® is May 6, when the good voters of North Carolina and Indiana cast their ballots for either the Hopemonger from Illinois or the Iron Lady from New York.

“If Obama sweeps Indiana and North Carolina,” writes Bowers. “The campaign is over.”

It’s an interesting prediction. For starters, there’s absolutely no chance that the curtain will fall earlier. Clinton currently boasts an average lead of 16 points in Pennsylvania, so despite the fervent finger-crossing of Obamaniacs nationwide, she ain’t goin’ nowhere before May. That said, the Indiana/North Carolina pairing not only represents a bigger delegate prize (187) than Pennsylvania (158), but it’s also expected to be closer contest—meaning that the conflict-obsessed media will put more stock in the results. (“Something unusual appears to be developing in the Democratic presidential race in [Indiana],” wrote the Washington Post earlier this week. “A fair fight.” Case in point.) Which is why an Obama twofer would signal Clinton’s demise, according to Bowers. “May 6th is the first date when Obama can reach 1,627 pledged delegates, or 50% + 1 of pledged delegates,” he says. “Right now, he needs 173.5 pledged delegates to reach 1,627, or 49.7% of the 349 to be determined between April 22 and May 6.” In Bowers’ view, if Obama can win half of the delegates at stake in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, he will simultaneously capture the majority of pledged delegates—an important symbolic victory—and erase Clinton’s Pennsylvania gains, forcing the New York senator to contemplate a “final option” that involves “winning the support of more than 70% of the remaining superdelegates.” That, he says, “would be game, set, match.”

By Artie Sammish

March 26, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Nice cartoon, Mr. Luckovich. I lost a bet, though. I bet that you’d run a cartoon today with a professor-type pointing out to Uncle Sam that at this rate, in just a few months the U.S. will have lost as many troops in Iraq as it did in the Spanish American War or the Battle of Okinawa.

By Devastator

March 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

The Tonya Harding Option by ILPundit

Not always a big fan of Jake Tapper, but he scores an interview with an unnamed DNC member who brands the Clinton campaign strategy as well as any I’ve seen

The delegate math is difficult for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, the official said. But it’s not a question of CAN she achieve it. Of course she can, the official said.

The question is — what will Clinton have to do in order to achieve it?

What will she have to do to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in order to eke out her improbable victory?

She will have to “break his back,” the official said. She will have to destroy Obama, make Obama completely unacceptable.

“Her securing the nomination is certainly possible - but it will require exercising the ’Tonya Harding option.’” the official said. “Is that really what we Democrats want?” The Tonya Harding Option — the first time I’ve heard it put that way.

It implies that Clinton is so set on ensuring that Obama doesn’t get the nomination, not only is she willing to take extra-ruthless steps, but in the end neither she nor Obama win the gold.

The Tonya Harding Option indeed…we all should start using that phrase now.

By Goldie

March 26, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

A good reminder of those US Senators back in 2002 who had a spine (and one was even a Repug!):

Akaka (D-HI) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Byrd (D-WV) Chafee (R-RI) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Graham (D-FL) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Stabenow (D-MI) Wellstone (D-MN) Wyden (D-OR)

Oh, just reflect for a moment on how much safer the world would be today if Congress had stayed focused on getting the terrorists who attacked us on Sept. 11th instead — and we would’ve had the entire civilized world on our side in capturing or killing those murderers!

By Crenshaw8

March 26, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

While you may find it humorous to discuss your sex life on this blog<<

WhoTH’s posts is bosch reading? @@ is NOT discussing, nor has she EVER discussed her sex life here.

Aside from the fact that you are an idiot, you have issues bosch.

By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

This is hilarious and so in sync with the idiocy and sheer ineptitude that is the sicko KKKlinton kandidacy:

{{{{The Atlantic’s liberal bloggers are puffed up with outrage that Mrs. Clinton would “dignify” the Spectator, as James Fallows puts it:}}}}

{{{{If, as I assume is true based on Marc Ambinder’s report, the Hillary Clinton campaign is circulating a hit job from the American Spectator, this is simply disgusting}}}}

{{{{That the Clinton family would dignify the American Spectator, of all publications, is astonishing to anyone who was alive in the 1990s.}}}}

{{{{I can easily believe that the Spectator would publish such an article. That the Clinton team would circulate it I’m still trying to deal with.}}}}

{{{{The Clinton campaign is distributing an article in the American Spectator (!) about Obama foreign policy adviser Merrill McPeak and his penchant for.. well, the article accuses him of being an anti-Semite and a drunk.}}}}

Never mind Bruno sleeping with the enemy; if McPeak is a “drunk” then what does that make red faced marauding Bill Klintoon and inebriated driving Cindi Bloomersthaul?

And these hacks want to run the country?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha, yeah, right.

By Artie Sammish

March 26, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

If the documentary to which you refer is the “Frontline” essay on Aministration infighting in re 9/11, Afghanistan & Iraq, I have a lot of problems with that piece, which I saw in its entirely. My objections are summed up pretty well by another blogger in this attached review: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/bushs_war/

Basically, I think that PBS should have run it under the “P.o.V.” rubric, as one of a series of competing analyses by various filmmakers. For at least 20 years I’ve wanted PBS’s and NPR’s federal budgets zeroed out, to free up those journalists to hit as hard as they see fit while not simultaneously putting this country in the position in which no other country would find itself: encompassing its own undoing.

By GodHatesTrash

March 26, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

America suffered God’s wrath on 9/11.

God hates trash, and we are country run into the ground by trash.

By AJC Management

March 26, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

{{{{The reason no one claims Hillary is being “swiftboated” is that the definition of “swiftboating” is: “producing irrefutable evidence that a Democrat is lying.” And for purposes of her race against matinee idol B. Hussein Obama, Hillary has become the media’s honorary Republican.}}}}

{{{{In liberal-speak, only a Democrat can be swiftboated. Democrats are “swiftboated”; Republicans are “guilty.” So as an honorary Republican, Hillary isn’t being swiftboated; she’s just lying.}}}}

{{{{Indeed, instead of attacking the people who produced a video of Hillary’s uneventful landing in Bosnia, the mainstream media are the people who discovered that video.}}}}

{{{{It’s such fun watching liberals turn on the Clintons! The bitter infighting among Democrats is especially enjoyable after having to listen to Democrats hyperventilate for months about how delighted they were to have so many wonderful choices for president.}}}}

By Glenn

March 26, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

Goldie @ 5:17,

You must not be referring to the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), as that green light was given unanimously in the Senate, with every Democrat voting in support of the resolution. In the House there was but one holdout, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA).

Therefore I guess you are referring to the other germane congressional resolution of that year, the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq. That authorization was approved by the majority of Senate Democrats, including senators Clinton, Kerry, Daschle, Biden, Reid, Schumer, Cleland and Miller, and 21 other Democrats in the Senate.

By @@

March 26, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Well lookee here! Even crazy ol’ Mike Gravel wants out of the Party of Democrats.

“The fact is, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of FDR,” Gravel said in a letter to supporters. “It is a party that continues to sustain war among themselves.”

O.K., I changed it just a smidgen. I’ll add its original text to follow “war”.

“the military-industrial complex and imperialism — all of which I find anathema to my views.”

Ol’ Crazy Mike. He’s a hoot.

By Glenn

March 26, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

May the gavel and the Gravel never meet. What a doofus. He’s up tight about “imperialism” but doesn’t realize that the point of “the party of FDR” is to colonize HIM.

By RW-(the original)

March 26, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

@@,

I’ll have to do 8 now. Are we going to get together and do a marathon by fall?

Bosch,

Did you get really drunk at lunch today? Your three “man” scribbler’s fighting force isn’t without it’s strengths though. I figure you’ll get your head sliced off pretty quick whining at them to quit putting words in your mouth, but the other two might have a chance. They communicate quite freely over the internet and Spammaster Flash could really put the slows to that while the Parrot b!tched them into oblivion.

By Scarabus

March 27, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

Whoa! Is it routine here for posters to treat everything as an open thread? Anyhow…

We really need to be playing Pete Seeger’s “Waist Deep in the Big Muddy” every day, everywhere. Here’s one verse:

The Sergeant said, “Sir, with all this equipment No man will be able to swim.” “Sergeant, don’t be a Nervous Nellie,” The Captain said to him. “All we need is a little determination; Men, follow me, I’ll lead on.” We were — neck deep in the Big Muddy And the big fool said to push on.

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