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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > March > 19 > Entry

Final Four

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 07:19 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

{{{{Supreme Court to back right to bear arms}}}}

Bwa.

{{{{The US Supreme Court appears ready to rule that Americans have a constitutional right to keep a gun in their home for self-defence, a ruling that could help Republicans in the upcoming presidential election. A majority of the nine justices, including the crucial “swing” justice Anthony Kennedy, who often holds the balance of power on the court, appeared to believe the amendment guaranteed an individual right to weapons.}}}}

And so we shall.

~~~~~

{{{{Obama may have wished to avoid this moment, but when he found he could not, he handled it with courage and candor and grace. If this controversy was the first major test of Obama’s leadership skills, then he passed easily, delivering a speech that was true to the essence of his claims about his candidacy._Queen Pinko, Urinal}}}}

Yeah, he blamed America for his problem, a true sign of a democrat “leader:”

{{{{Obama, speaking in Philadelphia, called slavery America’s “original sin” and said mistrust between blacks and whites goes both ways. He said racial resentments have long shaped the nation’s political landscape but that he thinks the nation is changing and that he could help heal the divide if elected.-Urinal}}}}

Why wait until being elected, why not denounce Rev. Wright now?

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

If by success you mean failure

By N-GA

March 19, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

If success is measured by how many civilians killed/wounded, how much money is spent, how much world prestige is lost, and how many lies are told, then this war has been a tremendous “success”.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Forever Wrong: Five Years of John McCain on Iraq

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

NO MORE No Torture. No Exceptions.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

UPDATED: McCain makes a major mistake about a very basic Iraq issue — two days in a row

Remember - Bush had the same problem…..sunni, shiites and kurds OH MY

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Estimates of Iraq War Cost Were Not Close to Ballpark

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Estimates of Iraq War Cost Were Not Close to Ballpark

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

cant wait t get rid of these incompetent clowns

DEMS08

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

The Reporting Team That Got Iraq Right

By N-GA

March 19, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

If success is measured by asking 4,000 American soldiers to sacrifice their lives for a complete and utter mistake, then this war is a complete “success”.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

R.I.P.

Arthur C. Clarke

By john

March 19, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

B.Hussein Obama’s true racial beliefs come to light !!

What other “surprises” does this con-man offer ???

I’m not willing to find out ….

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

By FrankLeeDarling 8:22 AM

{{{cant wait t get rid of these incompetent clowns}}}

Isn’t that what you dems said about congress too in ‘06? And look at the stellar performance of your replacements….

Pathetic.

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

{{{{Power plant carbon emissions soar in state-Georgia’s power plants increased carbon dioxide emissions by 16.8 million tons in five years-Urinal}}}}

Gee, in the same time period, average global temperatures have fallen.

Do we need more power plants to keep us from burning up?

By Inherit America

March 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

In a more perfect union, can a president denounce free speech? God Bless America was the only phrase Obama left out in his speech about freedom. Black America is reeling from the injustices White America perpetuates. They’ve earned their anger. Oh, the wrongs whites have committed against blacks. Oh, I get embarrassed thinking about those round-faced superior whites portioning injustice for the last 125 years. (seven score and four years, oddly enough)

Obama 08. Inherit America. It’s been Seven Score, and Four Years since lincoln freed the slaves.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

By FrankLeeDarling 8:22 AM

{{{cant wait t get rid of these incompetent clowns}}}

Isn’t that what you dems said about congress too in ‘06? And look at the stellar performance of your replacements….

Pathetic.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

New Cast member

{{{By john

March 19, 2008 8:27 AM }}}

Welcome!

By john

March 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

B.Hussein Obama’s true racial beliefs come to light !!

What other “surprises” does this con-man offer ???

I’m not willing to find out ….

By @@

March 19, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

I like it ml.

It’s the message relayed to Iran.

I dare say that nobody is more disappointed in Obama than Ahmadenijad.

He was “HOPING” that he’d win.

By GMAN

March 19, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

The “cracker factor” is now coming into play in this election. What a sad day for America.

By Inherit America

March 19, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Vote for McCain. Waste your vote, and fulfill your errant destiny. The old ways are gone with the wind.

Obama 08. Inherit America.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

IRAQ WRAPUP 3-Iraq reconciliation talks hit by walkouts

By What?

March 19, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I really don’t get today’s cartoon because the fact is we are having success in Iraq. (Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, DICK Durbin and Hillary Clinton are the real final four in this one). I guess that it is just all the wing-nuts on this blog who are so invested in defeat who will not admit that we are winning, militarily and politically. Even Obama knows we cannot just pull out and surrender.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Petraeus: Iraqi Leaders Not Making ‘Sufficient Progress’

By N-GA

March 19, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

If success is measured by the price of a barrel of oil, then this war has been an overwhelming “success”.

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

RB I am fine with congress just not obstructionist republicans.McCain would be a huge disaster for this country.we nee someone who con look at things objectivly not ideologicaly

By Crenshaw8

March 19, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Good call yesterday @@ Dick Morris said the same thing last night.

;-)

By Bush Rocks

March 19, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

The Shia Superstate we R dying 4 is very happy, and nearly formed, @@. I hope you visit there soon, and wear your american flag pin on your lapel, and really walk tall. Remember, our troops have totally secured those areas. We need more conservatives like you. God Speed, you brave young lady.

ps. can I have your Iphone?

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

By FrankLeeDarling 8:57 AM

{{{RB I am fine with congress just not obstructionist republicans.}}}

Yea, just like it’s all those white slave owners that made the Rev Write say those things, it’s those mean R’s in congress making the D leadership look pathetic. Nice.

{{{we nee someone who con look at things objectivly not ideologicaly}}} If you can find just one person in the D party who fits that description, please let us know. Clinton and Obama ain’t them!

If this Obama thing isn’t proving to you he’ll tell you whatever you want to hear to make you happy while doing whatever he wants in the background, there’s no hope for you. Wake up.

By AQI (Obamamaniac)

March 19, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Obama ‘08.

muffs said.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Newsboy @ 8:26,

You finally typed something I agree with.

RIP indeed Mr. Clarke.

By Midori

March 19, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Was anyone expecting these inept criminals to say anything else? They HAVE to cheerlead this war - to the very end.

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

{{{{Barack Obama has run a campaign based on a simple premise: that words of unity and hope matter to America. Now he has been forced by his charismatic, angry pastor to argue that words of hatred and division don’t really matter as much as we thought.}}}}

That^^ would be a flip flop.

{{{{But Wright’s accusation is batty, reflecting a sputtering, incoherent hatred for America. And his pastoral teaching may put lives at risk, because the HIV virus spreads more readily in an atmosphere of denial, quack science and conspiracy theories.}}}}

And to think, demokrats used to have a problem with kooks:

cartoon boy- Pat and Rudy

Yeah, things “changed” for Obambi alright.

By Unity

March 19, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

In response to Barack’s speech in Philadelphia today, the New York Times just released the following editorial:

There are moments — increasingly rare in risk-abhorrent modern campaigns — when politicians are called upon to bare their fundamental beliefs. In the best of these moments, the speaker does not just salve the current political wound, but also illuminates larger, troubling issues that the nation is wrestling with.

Inaugural addresses by Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt come to mind, as does John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on religion, with its enduring vision of the separation between church and state. Senator Barack Obama, who has not faced such tests of character this year, faced one on Tuesday. It is hard to imagine how he could have handled it better.

Mr. Obama had to address race and religion, the two most toxic subjects in politics. He was as powerful and frank as Mitt Romney was weak and calculating earlier this year in his attempt to persuade the religious right that his Mormonism is Christian enough for them.

It was not a moment to which Mr. Obama came easily. He hesitated uncomfortably long in dealing with the controversial remarks of his spiritual mentor and former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who denounced the United States as endemically racist, murderous and corrupt.

On Tuesday, Mr. Obama drew a bright line between his religious connection with Mr. Wright, which should be none of the voters’ business, and having a political connection, which would be very much their business. The distinction seems especially urgent after seven years of a president who has worked to blur the line between church and state.

Mr. Obama acknowledged his strong ties to Mr. Wright. He embraced him as the man “who helped introduce me to my Christian faith,” and said that “as imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me.”

Wisely, he did not claim to be unaware of Mr. Wright’s radicalism or bitterness, disarming the speculation about whether he personally heard the longtime pastor of his church speak the words being played and replayed on YouTube. Mr. Obama said Mr. Wright’s comments were not just potentially offensive, as politicians are apt to do, but “rightly offend white and black alike” and are wrong in their analysis of America. But, he said, many Americans “have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagree.”

Mr. Obam

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

“I believe that the success will be fairly easy.” (9/24/02)

“We’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies.” (9/29/02)

“We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” (1/22/03)

“[T]here’s no doubt in my mind, once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators.” (3/24/03)

—-Senator John McCain

Judgement?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Huckabee comments on Obama & the Rev. Wright flap

“”And one other thing I think we’ve gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say “That’s a terrible statement!”…I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told “you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus…” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.”“

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

{{{{As for the right, however, I expect that the main effect of this controversy will be to consolidate support for John McCain in a way even Ku Klux Rodham could not have done. In a contest between a man who sat in the pews Sunday after Sunday while his pastor bad-mouthed America, versus a war hero who endured torture for his country, no one on the right will even regard this as a choice.}}}}

Bwa.

~~~~~

{{{{“I almost wish Jerry Falwell were alive to see this. Almost,” Penn shouted to the crowd. After dropping some names of conservatives who are still with us - “Bill O’Reilly, who is too stupid to talk about,” and “Sean Hannity, the butt boy of Rupert Murdoch,” Penn said, “We know something more. We know their end is near.”}}}}

Oh no, you libs aren’t the haters in America, not at all.

By Glenn

March 19, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

@@ at 8:46,

“I dare say that nobody is more disappointed in Obama than Ahmadenijad…He was “HOPING” that he’d win.”

Luckovich is still hoping. The DNC is too. And with any luck, tomorrow’s papers will bring news of a huge Tet-like Spring Offensive in Iraq that caught U.S. forces in idiot surprise and brought the kind of humiliating slaughter it would take to vindicate the Democratic Party and vouchesafe its victory in November.

Here’s hoping…

By Alec

March 19, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Jesus, these politicians are disgusting. After eight years of choking down this rotten administration, the country will finally turn around back to the good side, and the Democrats will restore order to everything that BushCo destroyed.

By First Amendment

March 19, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Inherit America - All of you libs who have a fit when someone critisizes you and you claim that criticism is somehow an infringement upon your rights of free speech really torture the first amendment to death. That right you have to speak also comes with someone else’s right to speak and to critisize what you have said. Those who are speaking out against the most Wrong Reverend Wright are simply exercizing the same right as he. No one will jail him or censor him. He will have the right to continue to make a fool of himself, and others will continue to have the right to point that out.

Your continued denunciations of ‘white folks’ only serves to feed racial hatred on both sides. You can continue to make those incindiary statements and no one will stop you. We will just point out that two wrongs don’t make a right and that not one person living today, white, black, brown or yellow has had anything to do with slavery in this country. And racial prejudice has now become very much of a two way street. If you are part of the problem then you cannot be part of the solution.

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

I really dont feel like Obama should have to apologize
for the words of another man.

I just have no confidence in McCain hes just been so wrong so often

By reebok

March 19, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

The no-talent chicken hawks of the Bush misadministration know that a certain percentage of the American public will believe anything if it is repeated often enough.

By T. MacDonald

March 19, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

If Americans learn nothing from Bush’s failed policies, then his speeches this past week was a big wake up call to their errant voting in the past two elections.

Bush is dead. Long live Obama.

By AQI (Obamamanic)

March 19, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

A loss in Iraq is a win for us!

Rally fellow Obamamaniacs.

Rejoice.

By FirstAmendment

March 19, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Alec - please make a list of all of those things which BushCo have destroyed? I really want to know. (Please keep it domestic as I am sure your opinion on foreign policy is the same as the rest of the surrender amen chorus!)

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

@@ 8:46,

How do you know that Abinejad or whatever his name is, is hoping that Obama wins? Do you talk to him?

What reason would he have to want Obama? That is the type of rhetoric that leads people to be angry like Rev.Wright.

Obama and Abinejad have nothing in common, and you choose to connect the two based on your own prejudice.

And you wonder why we still ahave racial division in this country?

By Paul

March 19, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:17

The Democratic Congress does not want an effective ban on torture - however one defines it (rather like asking - does this taste good? Is that pretty?).

The bill Congress sent to the Pres limited interrogation methods to those outlined in the Army Human Intelligence Collector Operations (US Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogations).

The Executive writes the manual. The executive can change it any time it wishes. Changes outlining practices a majority of the current Congress finds acceptable will lead to more press conferences, hearings, statements of outrage, etc etc etc. So it’s more politics as usual.

Gotta say this, though - at least Sen McCain’s been more consistent then Sen Pelosi, Sen Rockefeller, I believe Sen Feinstein, too (are your sure waterboarding is tough enough? Are you doing all you can?).

Your other posts about Iraq war costs not even close to estimates: so why should we think the gov’t estimates on any other program (health care, global warming mitigation, infrastructure, etc etc) are any more reliable?

Costs are generally waaaayyyy off. If you want a program, be prepared to pay, again and again and again.

Your 8:26: Amen.

John 8:27

You mean Sen Obama’s beliefs that our Founding Fathers had a vision of hope, that they believed in perfection over time; that he believes the past is not the present and the country is better than it was; that black and white both hold anger and bitterness but that we can and should move past it? Those beliefs? I think I’ve heard enough -

IThN 8:52

Petraeus: Iraqi leaders not making enough progress: will MoveOn take out another ad citing this as another con job by a lying traitor? Or if his message is one they like, do they now embrace him - until his next pronouncement? Will Hillary and other members of her panel willfully suspend belief?

IThN 9:04

Please, please, please, do not cite Bremer as a critic of bonehead decisions - unless he’s looking in a mirror!

RW-(the original)

But… Murtha’s a…. hero! He was in the military!!!

//sarc//

IThN 9:46

The FarLeft cites Huckabee’s statement of understanding regarding Obama/Wright. Conservative Christians promote peace, reconciliation, acceptance and understanding, says the FarLeft. Back to Wonderland! LOL!

By Shawny

March 19, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

‘the democrats will restore order…”

That is hilarious, and naive wishful thinking. They are all criminals. Their first job when they get into office is to insure that they keep their job. Spend the pork, keep the votes. They ALL do it. Please, McCain, make it stop.

Job 2 is wheeling and dealing, powerplays, making the rich politicians richer.

Don’t fool yourselves. Think Clinton I didn’t ‘play ball’? Think the revered dem leaders Pelosi, Durbin, Byrd, Kennedy, et al don’t ‘play ball’? We are the sad victims of the system, sorry to say. There will be ‘change’, regardless of who is elected. Unfortunately, it won’t be the change we need.

By FirstAmendment

March 19, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Ahmadenejab has stated as much, Devestator. If you will recall, in 2004 Osama bin Laden got on the internet and made a little film telling the American people to vote against Bush - the implication being that Kerry would be more sympathetic to the goals of Al Qaeda. I doubt that he was right, but his policies certainly would have benefited Al Qaeda and make it easier for them to reach their goals. You see, surrender/appeasement is what these radical types want from us. Remember Hitler?

By WTF?

March 19, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

[[Wisely, he did not claim to be unaware of Mr. Wright’s radicalism or bitterness, disarming the speculation about whether he personally heard the longtime pastor of his church speak the words being played and replayed on YouTube.]]

For weeks on end Barack DID CLAIM TO BE UNAWARE!!!!!!!!!

[[Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama want a ban on military assault weapons reinstated and generally endorse gun-control laws. Mr. McCain calls gun control “a proven failure in fighting crime” and opposes limits on military-style weapons.]]

Obama will end up on the wrong side of the gun control issue once the SC rules. Oh, he will try to say he wasn’t/isn’t, he WILL try, but he was/is for gun control.

Get a clue idiots - Obama is a flop when he isn’t flipping you off.

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

First Amendment,

Bin Laden’s statement does not implicate that Kerry would have been sympathetic to goals of al quaeda. His statement comes as a result of getting his butt kicked because of 9/11. Why would you say such a thing?

Neither Kerry or Obama or any other democratic you conveniently demonize would have left 9/11 go without retaliating.

You sound just as ignorant and narrowminded as Rev.Wright.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

WTF?

“Obama will end up on the wrong side of the gun control issue once the SC rules.”

I infer you know how the Court will rule? Care to share? Or at least state if any controls on gun ownership are appropriate and what the standard for determination should be?

By Copyleft

March 19, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Interesting that all the focus is on tearing down Obama, illustrating that

He’s a serious threat that the far right has finally woken up to, and

They STILL can’t come up with anything to brag about on their own boy, Jonny McCain’t.

By Auntie Kepila

March 19, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Whatever cave you’ve been living in, Devastator @ 10:05, I hope it doesn’t get hit by a bunker-buster. President Ahmadinejad long ago made clear his intention to support, and to train in Iran, al-Qaeda, the enemy of his enemy. Iraqi civilians and U.S. forces in Iraq have been seeing the bloody results of that Iranian policy. And al-Q is just one of the Nastygrams Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sends into Iraq, which abounds in his messenger boys. With Saddam gone, he saw his chance and he took it.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 19, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Devestator - you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that they would not have retaliated. However, the Democrats began changing their tune later on, and the implication of OBL’s announcement was he wanted Bush’s opponent to win. I also specifically said that Kerry would not have been sympathetic to al Qaeda’s goals, but that the policies he advocated would have that effect - surrender and appeasement were indeed what he advocated. If talking to implacable enemies would get us peace, then we would never have war. The key word here is implacable. Again, these people need to remember Hitler.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

By FrankLeeDarling 9:52 AM

{{{I really dont feel like Obama should have to apologize for the words of another man.}}}

Neither does anyone else. What we do expect, however, is for Obama to denounce what Write said and state his opinions on those matters and to explain why he sat in the pews of a church for 20 years with a pastor making statements such as those he disagreed with. Kinda like a politician being a member of the Klan and saying “I wasn’t there the day they said bad things” but still being a member of the Klan. Hate is hate. Period.

If Obama expects us to beleive he wasn’t there the day Write said those things and thats the only time in 20 years he said anything like that, he’s a bigger idiot than Clinton who expected us to believe “I did not have sexual relations with that woman…”

Eventually, someone is going to listen to sermon tapes and put Obama in the pews on days things were said.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

Regarding your first paragraph, did you listen to the speech in its entirety? I thought he denounced what Rev Wright said, spoke at length on his opinion on those matters, and why he stayed with the church.

This is, to me, another example of difficulties that occur when one side engages in “gotcha” politics and issues of minor substance as major. Eventually, the shoe’s on the other foot and the same “standards” are turned back on them.

I don’t think he intended it in this vein, but when Sen Obama said “Do Unto Others” and stop holding onto the divisions of the past, well, it seems to apply here, too.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase or should I call you First Amendment now?

Those words that people put in your mouth don’t taste so good, do they?

I can still see through your hyperbolic bs.

It’s easy to say that no Democrat would have done what Bush did, because we will never know, and to imply that nothing would have been done is simply ignorant.

Surrender and appeasement? Do you ever come up with an original idea? That is such an old wingnut label. When did John Kerry every come out and call for that? Or is that just more of your bs in which you will not have an answer for?

By Shawny

March 19, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Nice breakdown of Obama’s speech on Slate.

Those comments about his White grandmother stand out to me. I have to agree with the author…why are we still talking about slavery and race?

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Paul,

As RB in Gwinnet goes, “Um, um, um, well, um, um, um, well”

Well done.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

I believe that it was Dubya who claimed in 2003 that the invasion of Iraq was “a catastrophic success”… only an idiot for prez could state such words!

By Paul

March 19, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Just trying to explore ideas. Not trying to put anyone on the spot.

Well, most of the time, anyway -

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I wrote this response to you late yesterday and I can’t answer for RB or anyone else, but I did watch the entire speech as well as read the words after.

Paul,

Don’t you find it just a tad disingenuous that after 20 years in this church Obama finally decided in the last 24 hours or so that Rev. Wright was talking about the way things were in past America and might be confusing it with the present? There was quite a large Amen chorus in that church including many youthful minds, yet Obama has never spoken out about that until today when he started seeing trouble ahead for his Presidential aspirations.

Frankly I’m surprised you aren’t using this sudden come to Jesus moment of his to tell us that it always comes back to money and power in politics.

By getalife

March 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Mr. Murtha endorses Clinton to give her a huge lead in Penn.

Obama can’t win the big States and should drop out.

The Iraqi government have used Obama’s unity message to unite with Iran and gave them a victory in their elections. Iran won the Iraq war and the idiots in this toon know it.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

I wonder how many of the right-wing religious fanatics walked out of their churches while their preachers were preaching hatred and bigotry about America… should we all re-visit the words of Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, et al???

Which one was it that claimed that he knew it was God’s punishment for NYC on Sept. 11th, because of the gay people, feminists and other “sinners” in America???

And which one was it that claimed he knew God was punishing the Gulf Coast during Hurricane Katrina, because of all the “sin” in America???

How many of you trolls turned your backs on your right-wing religious comrades in the Repug Party when they were spouting such hatred and bigotry, week, after week, after week???

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

OBAMA ON TERRORISM

Starting live on CNN now

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I went to a “church” once with a “friend” a long time ago, and it was basically a Sunday Klan rally held in a church. I guess they left their hoods in the car out of respect for the Lord. I never saw that “friend” again after that.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Instead of basketball, this reminds me of the Four Men of the Apocalypse. What’s the name of that battlefield in Revelations where the end of the world battle is supposed to take place?

Can’t we just move the war over there, the rapture will come, and then all will be good?

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

RB so what if he was there,my parents made me sit through 18 years of catholic church and belive me it still didnt me a catholic

By Senator Obama

March 19, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

I went to a “church” once with a “friend” a long time ago, and it was basically a hate america, hate whitey rally held in a church. I guess they left their hoods in the car out of respect for the Lord. I stayed for 20 years because I wanted to hear more.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Dick Morris wrote this morning that Obama used the church in part as a networking organization for his ascendancy in Chicago politics. As such, one has to take a lot of what’s questionable with what’s good. Sounds plausible. White politicians join Rotary, Chamber of Commerce, local community action groups. Trinity seems to embrace all these functions.

But from the outside looking in, the 8,000-member church strikes me as a pretty complicated organization, at least compared to most churches I’ve attended. Not just come to meetings on Sunday, youth and Bible study on Wednesday, oh, and donate a little extra and we’ll support an orphanage somewhere. Seems they were involved in addiction rehab, job placement, parenting skills, gang intervention - all sorts of things.

So there was a lot of good going on, with a minister from an older generation who’d been through a lot who reflected a lot of pain and bitterness from the past. And really, his statements were pretty congruent with what Obama’s referred to as those of the race hustlers who perpetuated old divisions to get ahead.

I do not understand all the clapping and cheering I saw. But it seems there’s a lot of clapping and cheering going on no matter what’s said! So I’m not sure my reading of those actions as indicating agreement and support are accurate.

So, yeah, I think there was some practical political calculations going on. I think there was recognition of bad interjected with good. We all seem to want a confrontation with evil (except in places like Iran - dang, it’s hard to resist saying that) rather than an attitude of “this is wrong, I disagree, but you know, someday if I get where I want to be I’ll try to take people who clap and cheer past these limited ideas to something better.”

Just still sorting this out and trying to weigh the relative importance of all this.

By Army

March 19, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Army reinlistments are actually up since the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq started. Reinlistments were 54,777 in 2003 and in 2007 they were 69,777. So much for a demoralized military who do not believe in the mission. Sorry liberal sychophants. You will have to find another argument for surrender.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

By Paul 10:35 AM

My comment was only intended to reply to FLD’s statement about O apologizing for another man. He obviously doesn’t understand what has happened and what needed to happen. Or maybe he thinks O doesn’t need to apologize because Write is right? Who knows…

And I don’t need a lecture from O about race relations. Until Don Imus can say the same things about black people Rev Write said about white people with the same result, we’re nowhere. The double standard has to be eliminated before we will move even 1 inch closer to a color blind society.

And I’m more concerned about Write’s “Damn America” comments than I am about his racist comments. They might help explain why O’s wife has never been proud to be an American.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Sen. McBush has embraced the hatred and “agents of intolerance” from the likes of Hagee, Falwell, Robertson, et al…

Discuss.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I would think that someone whose core reason and frankly his only stated qualification for being President is that he supposedly has better judgment than anyone else would have spoken out right from the beginning when he saw young minds being poisoned rather than wait until he thought he was in a powerful enough position and as Goldie and Bosch seem to be saying would have walked out in protest.

He’s a gifted politician that’s trying to put lipstick on this pig, but he’s proven for all that want to see that he’s no leader and his judgment is pretty suspect too.

The one act of good judgment he holds onto as if it were true is that he opposed the Iraq intervention from the beginning, but even for that to be true you would have to believe that a Saddam Hussein run Iraq with billions in petro dollars, the ability to manufacture and spread chemical and biological weapons,and no longer operating under any UN sanctions would have been no threat to us or any of of our allies. As another politician, a not so gifted one, once said. To believe that takes a willing suspension of disbelief.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Also, why do the Repugs allow Ron Paul to state such “hatred” for America, when during debates he said that our gov’t and its policies brought about the 9/11 attacks???

Where’s the outrage against Ron Paul from all of you outraged Repug trolls who post your outrage about Rev. Wright everyday on the blogosphere???

By mountain man

March 19, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Why is it that when I see clowns I want to cry? Seeing these four clownsmen of the apocalypse just makes me want crawl into a hole and die. The fact that McCain has as much support as he does confirms that stupidity and racism are alive and well in America.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

RB

Thx for clarifying. Double standards are always going to exist, I think. Some people don’t see them as double standards. Others see is as politics. That doesn’t mean we don’t confront them - but I think it also means we can’t wait for them to be eliminated to work past - or around - them.

I wrote late yesterday, I think it was, about an interpretation of the “Damn America” rhetoric. I don’t think it’s how he meant it but even the word “damn” has multiple meanings - all the way from “curse or destroy” or “stopping the good from being realized.”

But I thought I heard Obama condemn all such rhetoric, no matter where it occurs, and call for progressing past that to the standard set by the Founding Fathers. Ya gotta start somewhere.

I do wonder if Michelle Obama will be more in the mold of Hillary Clinton than Laura Bush. She’s a smart lawyer - so I guess that answers my question. I do think she could have been more forthright, less quibbling, in how she addressed that issue, though.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

He apparently gets around though.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Goldielox,

Ron Paul was roundly criticized by the right for his 9/11 statements including by other participants in the debates. Do you come by this blissful ignorance honestly or do you have to mix in a few mind altering substances?

By Glenn

March 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I think I’ve been to that church.

In several states.

Condolences to you on the loss of your friend. It sounds as though it has made for a great sadness. I’m sorry.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

I’ve written before that being right for the wrong reasons doesn’t say much about judgment. Then I read Obama’s speech from years back - and he accurately forecast what would happen and why he discounted other factors that were advanced.

There was a lot of uncertainty after 9-11. We were blind on capabilities, plans, alliances. Much of the “what-if” scenarios went back to an historical enemy - Hussein. Put together his past actions, stated ambitions, propaganda about what he had and wanted to do - a worst case alliance (these exercises always run to worse-case) with al Qaeda, and the runup to war began.

But looking back, months did pass and handoffs of chem/bio agents did not occur. Hindsight is always so great.

I’ve said before just because someone was a high-ranking military officer credibility is not always conferred. I’ve cited the Clinton generals critical of Bush - heck, talk about speaking out - one of them was Wolfowitz’s military advisor, right? So much for standing up and saying “you are wrong” -

Anyway, for some I do have respect - when I saw Gen Merrill McPeak, ex chief of staff for the Air Force - campaigning for Obama I had to rethink a lot of this in light of the reasons he stated for supporting Obama. If there’s anyone who values judgment, it’s people like him.

Gotta run - more later - thx

By WTF?

March 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

It was the right that outed Paul on his racist past! It’s more the left who has supported Paul’s idiotic isolationist policies. Just visit the archives at left-wing blogs. You’ll find the smoking gun.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

If Obama accurately forecast that our sworn enemies would flock into Iraq after us where we would be able to kill them off in droves one wonders why he thought that was a bad idea.

By Paul

March 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

RW

Well, if we wouldn’t have been in Iraq (and I still think there were other valid reasons for so doing, as I’ve written) then al Qaeda would’ve flocked to Afghanistan and the situation there would be far different than it is now. Or gone somewhere else. And we would’ve engaged them there.

Back before closing, if funeral doesn’t run long -

By GodHatesTrash

March 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

The Four W-horesmen of the Apocalypse.

Trash all.

By don't bother

March 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

“”Gotta run - more later - thx”“

don’t bother - won’t be reading it.

watching you sit on Obummer’s picket fence isn’t worth this reader’s effort.

By Joe Wright

March 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Hey Mike, how about some Obama cartoons, or do you only invent false caricatures about the people you hate?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Yikes! People around here sure do go to lots of funerals.

Paul,

Unless the funeral is for a Democrat politician it probably won’t run long. The weather is really going to suck for it though.

So since Al Qaeda was going to flock to wherever we were, we killed two birds with one stone by going to Iraq. The terrain suits us a lot better too.

By Jesus

March 19, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Glenn,

Thanks. He was one of those guys where it was only a matter of time. He developed quite a crush on the other Bosch a few years back - the only man I’ve ever threatened with bodily harm, and meant it.

don’t bother,

That’s what the scroll bar is for.

Paul,

I agree with your al-Qaeda analysis completely. Our soldiers have been easy targets. We should have been in Afghanistan all along and taken out both birds (Taliban and al-Qaeda). Who knows, maybe Saddam would have helped us. I mean, anything’s possible.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

RW @ 11:51— well, I must’ve missed that public hanging of Ron Paul that you outraged Repugs held… or did y’all just beat him with a big ugly stick? And is that the reason that you are not satified with Sen. Obama’s denouncement of Rev. Wright — does he have to go on TV and beat the reverend with a big ugly stick???

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie March 19, 2008 10:56 AM I wonder how many of the right-wing religious fanatics walked out of their churches while their preachers were preaching hatred and bigotry about America… should we all re-visit the words of Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, et al???}}}}

Golduh: I’d love for you to show all of us where Robertson or Falwell said G@! damn America and Bushie or Reagan sat in the pews for twenty years.

Then maybe your specious comments would mean something.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

So, when is Sen. McBush going on TV to denounce and repudiate his right-wing religious fanatics who are supporting him now? When do we get to see McBush make THAT big speech on TV, denouncing those America-haters a la Hagee and Robertson???

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Goldielox,

It’s Obama’s judgment I’m questioning, he obviously doesn’t mean it when he denounces Wright or he wouldn’t have sat there for twenty years without a peep out of him. Not to mention that he only denounced the statements when his “I didn’t hear those things” excuse didn’t fly.

As for Paul, all you would have had to have done is watch the debate where he said it and Rudy jumped him immediately. You’re not good with facts, are you?

By Joe Wright

March 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Hey Goldie, Stop blowing hot air without knowing what you are talking about. Exactly what Robertson, Hagee, and Falwell comments are you referring to? Put them out there, and we’ll compare them to this other so called “Pastor”

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Hey what do you know, they finally picked the right person:

{{{{Many Iranian youths rallied in streets across the country, shouting “Death to Ahmadinejad,” in celebrations marking the end of the Persian calendar year.}}}}

{{{{In the western city of Ahvaz, angry mobs declared “Freedom is our legitimate right” while demonstrators in the western city of Sanandaj shouted “Death to (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad,” Ynetnews reported Wednesday.}}}}

There really is “hope.”

By Joe Wright

March 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Hey Goldie, Stop blowing hot air without knowing what you are talking about. Exactly what Robertson, Hagee, and Falwell comments are you referring to? Put them out there, and we’ll compare them to this other so called “Pastor”

By Army

March 19, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Goldie, getalife and especially IT(H)N - no comments yet on the United States’ Army reinlistments being so strong? I’m just a little taken aback! I thought surely you wing-nuts would have something to say about that. You are always saying that you support our troops - well our troops want to stay and they want us to be victorious. Again, won’t you folks have to come up with another reason to surrender since our troops DO support the mission?

By mm

March 19, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Airheaded wingnuts,

How do you surrender in a war you started in another country?

That’s not called surrender, it’s called withdrawal from an occupation.

You clowns just want to claim “victory” so that you’ll feel better about yourself, all the while knowing you are the morons that twice elected the biggest idiot to ever sit in the whitehouse.

Speaking of the whitehouse, where are those emails?

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{March 19, 2008 · Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. >>>>That could mean global warming has taken a breather.<<<< Or it could mean scientists aren’t quite understanding what their robots are telling them.}}}}

Or it could mean that “global warming” is nothing more than the latest false alarm scared mongered up by the environmental terrorists.

By Army

March 19, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Goldie - you never watched any of the Republican debates. Poor addle pated Ron Paul got booed at every debate. He is a quirky libertarian anyway. He certainly is not a Republican. Actually, he is an isolationist, protections, lunatic fringe and a basket case. He is the Republican version of Ralph Nader.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

RW @ 12:05 — so, you have no problem with Dubya invading a country that posed no imminent threat to America and one that he picked for his “war on terrrrr” and treating it like fly-paper for Al Qaida? Instead of keeping the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan where Al Qaida was located??? You’re obviously another brilliant “war strategist” that Dubya always likes to blame our 5-YEAR OCCUPATION OF IRAQ for…

By Joe Wright

March 19, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Rest my case.

By getalife

March 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Truckers are talking about a work stoppage because they are working for nothing with high gas prices.

Again, who will stand up and demand the resignations of w and cheney for the destruction of our country?

WTF are they waiting for?

By Army

March 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

mm - so if we had just declared victory in Europe and East Asia in 1942 or 1943 when things weren’t going so well, we would have been justified because we INVAIDED after we were attacked and others declared war on us? I see no difference in Pearl Harbor and 9/11 - we invaded North Africa because it was just another theatre in the war against the Axis Powers, even though we had only been attacked by Japan. Your logic escapes me.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Goldielox,

I hate to break it to you, but Al Qaeda is in just about every country on earth.

The 9/11 attacks were launched from Boston and Washington.

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

RW @ 1:03 — so, you’re obviously satisfied when Rudy “jumps” Ron Paul at a debate, but just can’t be satisfied when Sen. Obama renounces Wright’s statements over and over again on TV?

And I still didn’t see Rudy or any other Repug candidate beat Ron Paul with a big ugly stick… oh, “he jumped him at the debates” — oh, the sheer outrage of that, is that it, huh?

And certainly Sen. McBush has gladly embraced the America-hatred coming from Pastor Hagee. Where’s your outrage about McBush and when will you demand that he go on TV and denounce Hagee and his supporters?

By @@

March 19, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Crenshaw @ 8:58:

Thanks! Sometimes I surprise even myself.

Bush Rocks @ 9:12:

If you do some research, you’ll realize that Iraq’s Shia and Iran’s Shia are different sides of a coin. Heads and tails. The tails don’t want to be led by the Iranian head.

Glenn @ 9:47:

So what exactly are you hoping for? I still find you to be a challenge. (ISH)

Devastator @ 10:05:

(((And you wonder why we still ahave racial division in this country?)))

Your assumptions that my perception was based on race are the reality of why there are racial divisions within this country.

If you’re implying that I think Obama is a Muslim, you couldn’t be more wrong. Nope…..

Obama voted against a Senate resolution, urging the Bush administration to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, because he feared it might give the President the authority to use military action against a nuclear Iran. And then:

“It is important to have tough sanctions on Iran, particularly on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard which supports terrorism. But these sanctions must not be linked to any attempt to keep our troops in Iraq, or to take military action against Iran,” he said.

Obama has made other statements that indicate he prefers diplomacy with Iran but Ahmadenijad has made it clear that he wants it his way and his way only.

I’m not sure what Obama’s way is. His lack in judgment leads me to believe his only hope in dealing with Ahmadenijad would be…..well…….HOPING for the best when dealing with the worst. Kinda like how he (Obama) hopes that the best will result from the worst sermons Rev. Wright has to offer.

You can’t bring unity with a message of hate.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Goldielox,

Do you really want an ITFSlike load of spam showing how Ron Paul was treated by the right? It’s just a silly diversion on your part anyway, nutty comments from Ron Paul have no equivalence to the hatred that was preached day in day out while Obama embraced the hater.

Do you have links that show me that McCain was sitting in Hagee’s congregation for twenty years? By the way, as I’ve said many times I will not vote for John McCain.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Army (?), or First Amendment, or Mr. Headcase,

I missed your post earlier. Sorry.

I usually scroll past names I don’t recognize or rather ones associated with the military. I was never in the military - I have issues with people telling me what to think or do. I was a real smart a* when I was younger. I wouldn’t have lasted long, or would have spent a long time in Leavenworth. I don’t like guns either, they are too loud.

But I sure am glad there are people that are the military type. I shake their hands and tell them good luck everytime I see a group of them at Hartsfield. Those men and women are certainly braver and more courageous than I, and if I had a hat on right now I’d take it off to them.

I think that’s great news. Why wouldn’t I?

I’ve also never said that I wanted our troops to surrender. We’re winning, right? That would be like Obama dropping out of the race now when he’s winning.

I simply wish that our CIC would have sent all those troops that he sent to Iraq to Afghanistan to begin with. Gosh, he’s almost as incompetent as you are calling us by the wrong name.

We are MOONBATS, not wingnuts, get your labels right man. Do you call your recruits by their wrong names?

By President George W. Bush

March 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

RW @ 1:30 — I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the leaders of Al Qaida have been in Afghanistan since the 80’s when we gave them weapons to use against the Soviet invaders… we’ve known where they were since the 80’s! And they have now managed to recruit their jihadists exponentially all over the world, thanks to your guys Dubya & Cheney and their ill-planned and misdirected invasion of Iraq!

By Copyleft

March 19, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Tell me something, Christians:

Fred Phelps is an advocate of hatred and death, particularly of gays. He hates America for tolerating gays. You all know this.

So tell me—why haven’t you abandoned Christianity?

I await your earnest disclaimers that “one angry nut doesn’t discredit all the GOOD things that Christianity does.” Exactly. Try applying that standard somewhere other than yourself for once, hmmm?

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

RW,

Don’t you think that the only reason Obama is defending his pastor or whatever is because he’s running for POTUS now? Why should he have defended him 20 years ago or even two years ago. It wasn’t asked of him until now. He wasn’t put on the spot until now, and I think he was pretty honest with his speech yesterday. If he’d come out and said Rev. Wright was an SOB rascist slob, no one would have believed him.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase, First Amendment, Army,

“I see no difference in Pearl Harbor and 9/11”

That’s one of your biggest problems, everything is black and white - you fail to see that all military actions have shades of grey.

By President George W. Bush

March 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Despite what you may have recently heard, I HAVE NO PLANS TO ATTACK IRAN. Oh, I am still going to attack them, I just have no plans.

By Lunatic Fringe

March 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Is anyone in Atlanta getting storms yet?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Goldielox,

The first WTC bombing, the Khobar towers bombing, the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the bombing of the USS Cole, and numerous other plots like Operation Manilla that were foiled were all works of Al Qaeda that took place before Bush or Iraq. 9/11 was certainly well before Iraq.

Did you run out of wine? I’ll pick some up for you if it’ll save you from digging any deeper into this hole you’ve found yourself in.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase, First Amendment, Army,

Germany declared war on the U.S. I think around December 9-10, 1941 - let’s just say a few days after Pearl Harbor -

I don’t seem to remember Iraq declaring war on the U.S. anytime between 09/12/01 and 03/19/03. Do you?

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

To the blogger posing as GWB, can’t you get in trouble for pretending to be the President (although I think your posts are funny)?

I’m just asking. Need to be careful there, Big Brother could be watching, you know.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I thought the story line you moonbat(ic)s® were using today was that Obama denounced Reverend Wright yesterday. Would you guys huddle up and get your story straight please?

Did you like it that I used the proper labeling? HAHAHA

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Copyleft,

Phelps isn’t a Christian - at least not by my definition. He does absolutely no good for no one. He’s an insane nut and so are his followers.

By FrankLeeDarling

March 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

homosexuals are brute beast …part of a vile and satanic system that will be utterly annihilated,and there will be a celebration in heaven

-Jerry Falwell-

By Bob

March 19, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Army: Get real, punk. The US Army has steadily decreased its already low standards fo years now. Currently they hire people with significant criminal records and bribe the hell out of them w appealing little chunks of money. Same game w reenlistments. All this info is readily available on official sites. But you neocons are terrified of hitory, truth, facts - as always.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Phelps is also a Democrat.

By Glenn

March 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

@@,

What am I hoping for? The usual. You know. Like, Iraqis benefitting from increasing physical safety, from improved infrastructure and a prospering economy, from an elected government upbuilding the nation’s democracy and sovereignty—-so the U.S. forces can depart leaving only garrisons requested by the host government. (It would be nice were they to be backfilled by UN peacekeeping forces, but that presupposes other than a notional UN.) For returning U.S. personnel to to make free and enviable choices between the profession of arms and civilian life, and for them to receive the honor and gratitude, and if necessary the care, they deserve.

Other than that, I hope for an end to the cinematic showing of commercials prior to the screening of feature films.

I also hope for an Amazon Kindle with better web-browsing capability.

Say, do you work for the benighted Clayton district, or for another district or private provider? What, may I ask, are your concerns about Clayton governance, going forward?

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

By Goldie 1:25 PM

{{{RW @ 12:05 — so, you have no problem with Dubya invading a country that posed no imminent threat to America}}}

Goldie, what makes you say they were not an imminent threat to America?

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

By Goldie 1:25 PM

{{{RW @ 12:05 — so, you have no problem with Dubya invading a country that posed no imminent threat to America}}}

Goldie, what makes you say they were not an imminent threat to America?

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

RW,

Okay, I’ll try my best to get the guys huddled up. And yes, it’s good to call a moonbat a moonbat and a wingnut a wingnut.

But you didn’t answer my question. He’s just now been put on the spot, and he said what he needed to say. And I’m sure as he’s concerned the case is closed.

BTW, Falwell was a Republican. We all have our crazies!

By President George W. Bush

March 19, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

ALOT of people think I am pretending to be a president.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

RB,

“what makes you say they were not an imminent threat to America?”

Um, because they weren’t.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

President George W. Bush,

I’m one of those people :-)

By mm

March 19, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Army,

Why do you repugs always compare apples and oranges?

You cannot compare Iraq to WWII.

Comparing 9/11 to the attack on Pearl Harbor is ludicrous. Japan was a country with an economy capable of building a war machine, which they did. They had an army, navy, and air force. They were formidable. If we had withdrawn from Europe we would now be speaking Japanese or German.

Al Qaida has no country, no economy, no army, no air force, no navy. They fight like cowards. I haven’t seen any terrorists flying fighter jets or driving tanks.

Al Qaida is in Iraq because of us. When we leave, they will go back to Afghanistan to fight us there. Contrary to wingnut propaganda, they can’t follow us home because they don’t have a navy.

You folks are giving Al Qaida way too much credit.

By Glenn

March 19, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Think nothing of it, Mr. President. The same people made the same mistake with President Reagan. You might remember Dr. Franklin’s prescription for dealing with criticism: “Let it dry, like a spot on a coat. Then, brush it off.”

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You asked me about Obama defending Wright yesterday while everybody else says he denounced him yesterday. I was trying to be polite and not just call you an idiot.

I’ll try if you insist. I don’t think Obama sincerely has any problem with anything Wright says from the pulpit, but he paid lip service to it yesterday. In that, he didn’t defend the pastor as you claim. He also took a pretty nasty shot at his white grandmother that was uncalled for.

As far as I’m concerned the case is closed too. He’s proven to all that care to see that he’s unfit for the office because he isn’t a leader. Case closed!

I’ve got to run out and pick up Goldie’s wine. See you at happy hour.

Later!

By President George W. Bush

March 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Well folks, I have to go. I have a 3:00 appointment with EXXON/Mobil to interview for a post-presidential position in their Public Relations Department. Wish me luck, but personally, I feel good about my chances.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

mm,

And I have no fear that if we pull out of Iraq, then we’ll all be forced to speak Iraqi (or whatever the hell their language is) and be required to all become Muslims.

Al-Qaida goes where we go, except home, of course, because like you said, they have no navy, or the sustainability to carry off a full scale invasion of this country.

I guess that’s not in the wingnut propoganda handbook.

And if the government would get off their asses and start protecting our borders or using some of the money wasted in Iraq to upgrade security measures, they would have a harder time sneaking in operative cells.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 2:25 PM

{{{RB,

“what makes you say they were not an imminent threat to America?”

Um, because they weren’t. }}}

There you have it folks. They weren’t a threat because Bosch says so. Now, Bosch, if you’d kindly give us the cures for cancer and AIDS, we would appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance.

Moron.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 2:25 PM

{{{RB,

“what makes you say they were not an imminent threat to America?”

Um, because they weren’t. }}}

There you have it folks. They weren’t a threat because Bosch says so. Now, Bosch, if you’d kindly give us the cures for cancer and AIDS, we would appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance.

Moron.

By Army

March 19, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Bob, you are a real piece of work. The United States Military is the finest fighting force in the world. We have the best trained and educated soldiers in history. You would not have the courage to make such a statement to any member of the military in person. You, in short, are a coward. These young men and women believe in this mission in Iraq and that is why so many are staying. Deal with that truth, with that FACT.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 19, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

FEAR FEAR FEAR

RACE RACE RACE

Race is just fear with a brown face.

Damn the chickenhawk(s) is/are afraid today. (depends on how many characters appear and it looks like the gang is almost all here)

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

RB,

Hysterics are for children.

There were no WMD, or do you know where they are hidden, (somewhere along with Jimmy Hoffa maybe) because there have never been any found.

Even if Iraq had WMD, they did not have the capability of using them on us, nor had they threatened to do so. That’s because, like I said, even if your magical mythological theory of WMD were true and they had used them on us unprovoked and all, the fury and firepower of the entire world would have wiped them off the map. Saddam knew that.

We sent our troops over there as targets - and guess what? They didn’t use any WMD on our troops. Kind of blows your theory, huh.

I posed my comment the way I did earlier, because sometimes it’s better to be simple and to the point, and as Truthman said the other day, not so verbose.

If I had the cure for cancer I’d have healed my father a few months back, and my uncle a few years ago, and if I had the cure for AIDS, I’d be richer than Roosevelt and kicking it back on my own caribbean private island.

By Tony Blair

March 19, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Bosch - every intelligence agency in the world believed that Sodamn Insane had WMD. He had his own people and the Iranians believing it too. I guess that just proves that honesty is the best policy, something that neither Democrat candidate for president is completely familiar with.

By Midori

March 19, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Arguing with the wingnuts on this blog is like arguing with a brick wall.

The brick wall, however, is more intelligent.

By @@

March 19, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Glenn:

The usual? I’d call it more than usual…I’d call it the exceptional confidence in and of our military’s desire to complete their mission.

I work for another district for a private provider.

(((What, may I ask, are your concerns about Clayton governance, going forward?)))

What’s forward Glenn. I haven’t seen forward in my county for some time.

Are you talking B.O.E. or B.O.C.? The battles that are presently ongoing in our B.O.E. are politically motivated against the Chairman of our B.O.C.

Recall of the entire board would be biting our nose off to spite our face. There are those embroiled in the political malaise. While unable to deny the obvious violation of residency and incompetence, they want to retaliate by ousting the entire lot. Doesn’t seem practical to me.

Overall, my greatest suspicion was of one Crandle Bray, former Chairman of the B.O.C. His Administrative Assistant was Wade Starr. It was they who put Clayton’s destructive momentum in motion. When you connect the historical dots, all things Scott lead back to Crandle whose sole purpose was and is to make money through development ventures.

Another historical player on the B.O.C. was Charley Griswell, who Scott tried to unseat. Charley was eager to help me out when I needed him, but he didn’t serve Clayton County. He was another developer out to make a killing.

Charley didn’t like Crandle. Crandle didn’t like Charley. Charley didn’t like Eldrin Bell. Eldrin Bell didn’t like Charley. Charley didn’t like Scott. Scott didn’t like Charley. Scott doesn’t like Eldrin. Eldrin doesn’t like Scott.

Who is the target of all these players’ animosity. Eldrin Bell.

I’ll go with Eldrin who has put the B.O.E. on notice and who has displayed a great interest in the well-being of children. He and his wife have 11, seven of which are adopted.

Anything else?

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Mr. Blair,

And just how and why would he have used these mythological weapons on us? Sell them to al-Qaeda and let them do it? Saddam and OBL weren’t buddies, you know. He didn’t like militant religious freaks anymore than we do.

The intelligence was wrong, the evidence was there to support the inaccuracies if anyone would have just freaking looked. They didn’t want to believe it.

You know, either way, you and GWB are incompetent boobs, but at least you got your comeuppance in the end. I think it’s rather important to get your facts straight before you go and start a war which turns out to be for no freaking reason.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

I tried to resist - but just couldn’t — lol

-=-

“Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up” –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

“That was never in the Constitution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the Communist Soviet Union.” –Pat Robertson, on the constitutional separation of church and state

“Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It’s no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.” –Pat Robertson

“You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

“(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” –Pat Robertson

“I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there.” —Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current schoo

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Mr. Blair,

Forgot. It turns out Saddam punked you - but at least he got his comeuppance too.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

“I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!” Jerry Falwell

AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals. Jerry Falwell

Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America. Jerry Falwell

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve. Jerry Falwell

Homosexuality is Satan’s diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America. Jerry Falwell

I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush. Jerry Falwell

I think the Moslem faith teaches hate. Jerry Falwell

If I were president of the United States, I would include Moslems in my presidency. Jerry Falwell

Textbooks are Soviet propaganda. Jerry Falwell

The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country. Jerry Falwell

“You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I’m for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” Jerry Falwell

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

-=-

and for a bonus - lol

-=-

“The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’” Jerry Falwell—on the 9/11 attacks

“Well, I totally concur.” –Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say: “You helped this happen.”

-=-

and of course the good ol’ prez candidate Robertson…who was gonna swear to god to up-hold the constitution…

“We’re going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America.” —Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96

-=-

By mm

March 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

71 percent of Americans think Iraq war is hurting the economy

Guess who makes up the 29 percent that don’t?

Diehard Bushies.

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

@@ at 1:43,

Thanks for the response.

Now that you’ve reiterated Obama’s position that sanctions should not be used as an excuse for another war, which makes diplomatic and moral sense, I’ll sit here and wait for you to post Obama’s hate comments that are preventing unity. Thanks.

By AmVet

March 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Five years ago today.

It only seems like 25.

Who (other than the morons who voted for him twice) could have envisioned a man so inept and so duplicitous that this scenario would unfold?

To wit, for the first nine months of his administration the Hero of the Texas ANG essentially did what all of his predecessors did - pay lip service and pretend the sandy threat wasn’t all that real. In spite of the most compelling, immediate evidence available that an attack upon the United States of America was IMMINENT.

So while he and his gang of incompetent boobs were busy being good little neo-cons and screwing up lots of other things up, three thousand Americans had to die, because he was completely asleep at the wheel.

Then like a scene from Dumb and Dumber, he goes and completely redeems himself by stomping some Taliban a$$ into the ground.

Hooray! USA! USA! USA!

But alas, we’re talking about George W. Bush here, aren’t we?

So rather than extract justice from the head murderer himself, he inexplicably takes his eyes off the Tora Bora prize and to this day is derided and despised by his own people and the rest of the world for doing so.

And rather than being satisfied with one major f&ck up, he decides in his own imitable way to do something really extraordinary - attack a country that had NOTHING to do with the American murders! In the hopes, I suppose, that the American people would just forget about his amazing incompetence in Afghanistan!

After after six or seven different, shifty and discounted reasons for the bungled invasion and even more mismanaged occupation, the battle-hardened fighter-pilot and his band of merry never-served men are still trying to explain WTF we are doing there.

And ironically, most of the dipsh!ts who elected him (but probably not the five Supreme Court Justices who selected him) have FINALLY realized just what they did.

Enabled and empowered the worst President in American history to engage in the worst foreign policy blunder in the nation’s two hundred and thirty two years. That’s all. No big deal, huh neo-cons?

So now we have nearly four thousand more flag draped coffins that have come home in tribute to this man and his legacy of dishonor and dishonesty.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch, See Tony Blair’s reply. I was hoping you would be shallow enough to toss out the “because there were no WMD’s” reply and you didn’t dissapoint. As usual.

Bosch, Monday morning quarterbacking is a completely useless activity in this discussion. Not that we shouldn’t learn something from it and do something about all of our erroneous intel, but saying Saddam wasn’t a threat because we didn’t find WMD’s is a complete joke on your part and the part of the rest of you arm chair QB’s. The worst part of this is the pathetic democrats in congress who claimed he had WMDs, was a threat, voted for his removal, and now claim they were misled or didn’t read the reports. Utterly pathetic. Right up there with them are the fools that continue to vote for them.

Next time, how about enlightening us with your vast knowledge BEFORE the invasion when it’s actually useful since you seem to think you know more than all the worlds intel groups.

By Shawny

March 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Here is a little non-unity for you. Still on his site, not mine.

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

{{{{By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~! March 19, 2008 3:28 PM and of course the good ol’ prez candidate Robertson…who was gonna swear to god to up-hold the constitution…}}}}

Sir Dullard of GasBaghdad: Thanks for pointing out that Rev. Wright and Obambi are just as creepy as Robertson and Falwell are.

I couldn’t agree more.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) is Bush's Burka Boy

March 19, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

His butt boy too.

You know, RW, everything you and I post here points to what nasty scum our mothers, fathers, grandmothers, and grandfathers, etc. were to have whelped such worthless curs as we are.

I don’t know about God damn America, but God damn the animals in MY family, and yours too, buddy, and a lot of the other chimp-lovers that post here.

That would be a good start.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) Loves Dikkk Cheney

March 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

With or without the Cheney… ;>~~~~

You know, RW, you, me, @@, Bisexual Danish, and the rest of us con morons puke and s-hit up some of the most disgusting moronic, vilest sh-it imaginable and then wrap it up in a flag or try to plant a cross in the middle of it, when everybody knows we are just gelatinous chickenhawk scum, the kind of vermin one finds licking up the droppings in the airport mens room.

God damn us.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) is Bush's Burka Boy

March 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

His butt boy too!

Speaking of airport mens room vermin - and who shows up, but Shawny!

Yo girlfriend - wazzup?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

-=-

George W. Bush: “Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

“We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.” George W. Bush—Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

“Do you have blacks, too?” George W. Bush—to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” George W. Bush—State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” George W. Bush—Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.” George W. Bush—Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

Hmmmmmm — Dictatorship by the Aristocracy!?….

By @@

March 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Devastator:

There’s no question in my mind that Obama, at the very least, tolerated it while allowing fellow church members, with what appeared to be less education, to embrace it - relish in it.

Sorry, I’m looking for a leader who takes a stand in support of what he preaches. Obama could have stepped up to the pulpit himself if he wanted to - delivered a testimonial that Rev. Wright’s message of hate would serve no positive purpose in their lives. He could have said it worked for him personally, it could work for them too.

But then he wasn’t put on the spot until all of America was watching some twenty years later, now was he? Willing to sacrifice what is it 800….8,000 members to hate while he pursued the presidency? While he pursued something greater than what he believed THEY were entitled to?

Give me a break.

Obama insults them. Obama demeans them. Obama needs them.

Too tired to hang around in here.

By AQI (Obamamaniac)

March 19, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

If you question Obama you are a racist.

Listen to his spiritual leader fellow maniacs and you will be saved too.

Become a martyr.

God Damn you.

By Bosch

March 19, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

RB,

If I’m ever elected President, I’ll make damn sure that the intel is correct before I invade a country, okay?

Guess what, the democrats in congress were wrong too.

Can you tell me just HOW Saddam would have used these mythological weapons?

I explained my position alot more than just there were no WMDs, or do you like Mr. HeadcaseFirstAmendmentArmy have reading comprehension problems?

He did not have the ability to use them on us here on the homeland and even if he had, he wouldn’t have because he knows his country would have been wiped off the map not just by us, but by every country with military capabilities.

And I so wish that you wingnuts would quit being so shallow as to keep saying Saddam was a threat, because he wasn’t.

I’m off for the evening - we can continue tomorrow if you wish.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Bosch —

I agree with that -0- Saddam was not the real threat — Taliban was though so I had no problem for us hitting Afghanistan.. and I also question why we didn’t go after the folks in Saudi Arabia that were involved too..

But taking out Saddam was stupid. Not only was he not a serious threat at that time (as he had once been in the past) but his strength of force (or deception) kept Iran at bay as well. Now that Saddam is gone — Iran fears no one in the middle east!…

Yes - lets make Iraq the 51’st state and be done with it since we have sacrificed our military to guard it forever apparently….

By Goldie

March 19, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

{{The first WTC bombing, the Khobar towers bombing, the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania,…}}

RW @ 2:01 — as I tried to educate you earlier today, we knew that the leaders of Al Qaida were in Afghanistan since the 80’s when we supplied them weapons. All of the bombing instances that you mentioned were BECAUSE OF AL-QAIDA, NOT SADDAM HUSSEIN… But your incompetent boobs in the White House decided to invade Iraq instead after 9/11, all because… now, what was the reason given— let’s see, didn’t Dubya tell us that Saddam Hussein was getting ready to launch nukular weapons our way??? On those mysterious flying “drones”??? Or was it those “aluminum tubes” that Condi was so sure about???

Really great military strategy, huh— that fly-paper strategy of Dubya’s to invade and occupy Iraq??? And Bin Laden is just recruiting, and recruiting, and recruiting…

You must be so proud of your idiots in the White House.

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

@@,

That’s not the hate comments I was looking for! Tell you what, I’ll play your game….

When was the last time you saw someone go to the pulpit and ridicule the pastor of the church, even if it was necessary? What do you think would have happened to him if he did that? Did you do that when you disagreed with your pastor?

Don’t place a standard on Obama, especialy when he has so much to lose, that you don’t place on yourself and others.

Give it a rest @@. Why don’t you just say you don’t like anyone who is a democrat and leave it at that?

By Midori

March 19, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

That idiotic “what me worry?” look just never leaves the man’s visage. Once again there was our president, presiding over disasters in part of his making and totally on his watch, grinning with an aplomb that suggested a serious disconnect between his worldview and existing reality. Be it in his announcement that Iraq was being secured on a day when bombs ripped through that sad land or posed between his treasury secretary and the Federal Reserve chairman to applaud the government’s bailout of a failed bank, George Bush was the only one inexplicably smiling.

Failure suits him. It is a stance he learned well while presiding over one failed Texas business deal after another, and it served him splendidly as he claimed the title of president of the United States after losing the popular, and maybe even the electoral, vote. It carried him through the most ignominious chapter of U.S. foreign policy, from the lies about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to an unprecedented presidential defense of torture.

By Skeletor

March 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

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By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) Loves Dikkk Cheney

March 19, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

With or without the Cheney… ;>~~~

Look folks, I don’t question Obama - I tear him down. Although I lack any real physical courage, I am the Ultimate Blog Warrior. I lie, lie, spin, lie, tear down, character assassinate, the bigger the lie the better. The biggest lie, of course, is the one about my Christian nature. That commandment about false witness?? - f* it I say.

I’ve found a like-minded group of whiners and haters, and every Sunday and Wednesday night we get together to spread more lies, more superstition, more paranoia, more fear. We call it church - fun fun fun. (The mens room is kinda fun, too.)

You know, I wish it was the good old days, when white people had better solutions for uppity black people or whatever it is Osama Hussein Obama is.

(I’d never go after him one on one - I’m like Shawny, black men scare me to death - but with a mob, oh hell yea!)

By don't bother

March 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

“”I’m off for the evening - we can continue tomorrow if you wish.”“

don’t bother - won’t be reading it.

you’re a simpleton taking up space.

By Duh devastator

March 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

[[When was the last time you saw someone go to the pulpit and ridicule the pastor of the church, even if it was necessary? What do you think would have happened to him if he did that?]]

Obumbler wouldn’t make a very good prez if he’s afraid to speak out against hate in his own church.

Think before you type moron.

Duh -

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

Duh —-

Obama did speak out against hate in his own church — yesterday in a long speech, but I guess you didn’t get the memo….

Cheers’

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Duh,

You need to think before you type dude, and please don’t speak to me unless you’re spoken to next time f*!

He spoke out against it yesterday noisey. Didn’t you watch?

Approaching a pulpit belonging to someone else is highly dissrespectful and only results in backlash against the person who did it.

If you attended church and got saved like you claim to have you’d have known that.

Speak back to me after redemption, until then wait your turn like a good little girl boy.

By RB from Gwinnett

March 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch, {{{And I so wish that you wingnuts would quit being so shallow as to keep saying Saddam was a threat, because he wasn’t.}}}

What I sit here and say today is of no relevance to us being in Iraq. This nations leaders ON BOTH SIDES felt they had the information they needed to make that conclusion BEFORE they voted to act. What part of that is not sinking in with you, Bosch? You’re monday morning QB’ing desicions from 5 years ago and think you’re some kind of genius because you know everything after the fact. Duh! Not impressed.

The man wouldn’t be crazy enough to invade neighboring countries or use chemical weapons on his own people would he? He wouldn’t be so arrogant he would maintain his charade of WMD’s even while US tanks were on the ground 60 miles from his capital would he? But you think he was too smart to sell weapons to people who want us all dead? You’re nuts, Bosch. And naive.

By Glenn

March 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

@@,

Yes, indeed I do have such confidence in today’s military. No confidence whatsoever in USDVA, but in DoD, on that theatre, yes.

Thank you for taking the time to give me the run-down on Clayton politics. Hadn’t realized that it was so pervasive and incestuous. Have you thinking people in Clayton any plans to put together a reform slate? If so, I’d be happy to help, as an old hand of goodwill.

I’ve seen school district grafting since I was 17, when I busted my own district by going front page with news of an 11-year, $29M laundering and embezzlement scam. It got pretty weird. Death threats. A key suspect, the CFO, who disappeared overnight leaving an empty apartment and no witnesses. Another whose diplomas all turned out to be fake. A Supt. with a same-sex lover installed as replacement CFO with no accounting experience or training of any kind beyond a GED. Annually renewed fleet Cadillacs and one new Rolls Royce. The lover/accountant arrested at his front door wearing garish make-up and a mink-trimmed bathrobe. And on and on, for years.

From then on that kind of crime stuck to me, because I had a rep and was a kind of go-to sniffer who’d be consulted about how to look for sign and stay on track. That accidental criminology has persisted for 30 years, as recently I was consulted on the Cobb Energy doings, which match some of the old scams. I hate to see here the same sleeze I grew up with in my home state.

Unfortunately (since you like challenges), I’m not a challenge to such as you. Do you believe in the possibility of a radical traditionalist, or does that seem just wiggy or oxymoronic?

By TW

March 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Guy I work with said that knot on the side of McCain’s jaw has to do with when he had cancer in his 70s. Anybody heard anything about that?

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Funny toon, ML. The current administration deserves every lashing you give them.

A very good read for those who care is “The Three Trillion Dollar War”. It figures in the lowball Bush admin figures of 500B to account for health care benefits to vets, equipment repurchases, and particularly the interest on the money that was borrowed (this was the first time since the Revolutionary War that the USA borrowed money to finance a war).

What is most frightening is that we are now witnessing the evolution of replacing the US dollar as the world currency medium (probably will be replaced by the Euro). The economic study I read (sorry no link) stated that the war in Iraq will be the determinate in this process!

My fellow citizens, the effects of this change-over is unfathomable. It is becoming very clear that this administration will be responsible for destroying the American dream for us, our children, and all our generations to come. We will be reduced to a second tier nation at best.

And what have we to show for the sacrifice? Over 2/3 or Iraqis want us gone and we have lost the ability to shape world opinion and events because we have blatantly violated international law and invaded a sovereign nation without provocation.

Please join me in extending my thanks (facetious of course) to our Republican traitors (and I don’t use the word lightly) in every single election from this point forward until the end of time.

By Duh again devastator

March 19, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

“”Approaching a pulpit belonging to someone else is highly dissrespectful and only results in backlash against the person who did it.”“

Couldn’t afford the backlash eh?

Couldn’t afford to take the risk?

Truth hurts don’t it moron?

Obumbler the Stumbler doesn’t have what it takes. Afraid he might hurt somebody’s widdle feewins?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Would you be willing to go to Kurdistan and tell the survivors that all those bodies they had to clean up off the streets and bury were the result of mythology?

Goldielox,

I’m back with your wine sweetie, you can ease away from the keyboard now.

That was quite a lot of attacks that went on before Bush or Iraq to have all been perpetrated by a tiny band of nobodies and if we knew exactly where the leader of this tiny band of nobodies was why didn’t we bother to get him when all these attacks were taking place?

And no, President Bush never told you Saddam was getting ready to launch a nuke at you.

Nostrovia!

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

TW- If I recall correctly Sen McCain had basal cell skin cancer. The scar is a result of its’ excision.

By GodHatesTrash

March 19, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Stopped by Barney Frank’s place today, he was having a “Yes We Can” half price sale in his basement.

Nothing like a tender young teenage boy to relieve your stress in this world full of trash.

0—> ~>`

I like giving and receiving.

So what is all of the Luckovich trash making such a big deal about Obama’s preacher?

Stupid common rednecks.

Why, Obama’s preacher is no more creepy than Robertson is.

Trash.

By ray

March 19, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

how come nobody gives mccain a hard time about being a jew?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

-=-

Well certainly Andy-duh wouldn’t approach the pulpit in his church to correct his minister — after all - He agrees with his church’s hate speeches….

-=-

By Chris

March 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

The saddest part of this whole debate is that very few people are actually focused on where to go from here. The diehards from both parties only want to talk about the decision to go to war, not how to make the best situation out of where we are now. Pelosi, Bush, Reid, et al are all jokes. What we need are people who are willing to look at the situation in a non-partisan way and find the best solution for our country..not the best solution for a political party or the best way to get elected. Sadly, we don’t have that kind of leadership from our politicians these days. The Teddy Roosevelts, JFK’s, Reagan and FDR’s are but a distant memory.

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

A sort excerpt from “The Thrre trillion Dollar War”

EXCLUSIVE–The Three Trillion Dollar War: Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard Economist Linda Bilmes on the True Cost of the US Invasion and Occupation of Iraq.

One week after President Bush rejected charges the war in Iraq has hurt the US economy, a new book puts a conservative estimate of the war’s cost at $3 trillion so far. In their first national broadcast interview upon their book’s publication, Nobel laureate and former chief World Bank economist, Joseph Stiglitz, and co-author Linda Bilmes of Harvard University say the Bush administration has repeatedly low-balled the cost of the war—and even kept a second set of records hidden from the American public.

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

duh,

I guess it does loser. By the way, the f* was meant to say f@gatoid. Since you obviously go both ways, and are obsessed with Obama, I figured you didn’t mind.

Try church sometimes and learn how they do things.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

By the way, there’s video of Obama speaking from the pulpit of his church. Any idea why he didn’t reveal to the flock then that it was important for them to understand that Reverend Wright was speaking of past times in America?

By TW

March 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

AR - thanks, and thanks for the excerpt. Sadly, those who need to read - don’t. The country as a whole dropped a good 30 IQ points when it got too lazy to read - look at the results. Perhaps when the economy cuts off the cable in the trailer, books might find their way back into thought.

By ray

March 19, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

fun watching the fingers of the anti-Christ tremble in the presence of a real man of God. being that the rightwing has done their best to turn the Bible into a bludgeoning instrument, perhaps they should stick to worshipping their purse.

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Chris- I thought this war was a bad idea from the start. You simply cannot free a people who have not come to the point of revolution. When all is said and done any indentured people have to free themselves.

Having seen all the lies and manipulations that the Bush admin foisted upon us, I now believe that Reps must be punished for the good of our nation. They should be punished so severely that they can never threaten out national welfare again, plain and simple.

We will never gain the trust and good-will of Mid-East societies. Too much history, too many religious differences. This was a losing proposition from the start. I beieve we should cut our losses (rather than cut & run) and try our best to recoup some of the financial loss and world position that we are able.

Prior to now I had predominantly voted Rep so I am hardly partisan in my opinion. My judgement is not motivated by political party affiliation. I am only motivated to retain America’s world status for my children and their heirs.

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

RW,

Gee I don’t know, because it would have been dissrespectful and out of his place because it was Rev. Wright who invited him to speak?

ATTENTION UNREGENERATED HEATHENS ON THIS BLOG:

A church pulpit is not a public venue for people other than the pastor or designated leader of that particular church to just speak out whatever personal views they have. The pastor has the authority to allow anyone he/she chooses to speak and it is with that said pastor that the invitation is extended.

You do not counter or deliberately contradict what that said authority has already spoken, seeing how that without that authority the speaker would not be speaking in the first place!!!!!!!

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

TW- Thanks, my profession forces me to do an inordinate amount of reading. I rarely have time to read outside of that so I try to select books of great value. “The Three Trillion Dollar War” was well worth my time. I have rarely been so thoroughly inflammed!

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~! March 19, 2008 5:38 PM Well certainly Andy-duh wouldn’t approach the pulpit in his church to correct his minister — after all - He agrees with his church’s hate speeches….}}}}

SDOGBD: As soon as my preacher says G@! damn America the first time, I can promise you that I won’t be able to get near him because the line of pis-sed off parishioners would be so long.

We’re not sick in the head like Obambi is.

Sitting there for twenty years listening to some POS whine about the greatest country in the world, anybody ask Jeremiah where all these oppressed people he was spewing at got all that tithe money from?

Wanna take a guess at what your boy’s pay was from the ole house of the Lord?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Dumba$$ at 5:56,

Obama has said he would meet with any of our enemies without preconditions. Do we really want him to hold his tongue out of respect for their invitation?

Frankly you’re never going to spin your way out of him sitting there for twenty years while an entire generation was indoctrinated to hate without ever speaking out anywhere until yesterday when he saw his power trip running aground.

You know for somebody that won’t wear a flag pin because he doesn’t need symbolism he sure is packing in the flags behind him the last two days. As the scribbler might say, tsk tsk.

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

How very sad that Reps have been reduced to trying the tired old trick of “Guilt by Assosciation” as regards the Rev Lowry/Obama. Do they truely imagine that they will fare better against Hillary?

This election is about Iraq and the economy (really the same issue) and they have already lost. Reps would do well to stop all campaigning and to save their nickels and dimes for another day!

By @@

March 19, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Glenn:

Well it’s been said that a lot of what you mentioned in your third paragraph has also gone on in our B.O.E. There are grassroots organizations gearing up, but I’ve seen nothing substantial in what they’re putting forth. Keep in mind that these were the same people who elected the present board and support the destructive members sitting on same.

Any contribution you could make would have to come from outside influence. The Guv, and I know you don’t like him, has assigned two from the state to oversee.

Maybe Eldrin Bell? BTW, another one who despises Eldrin is our little sheriff who was frisking any and all African American youths within legal distance of the polling place during the primaries. Chairman Bell takes him on regularly. That’s another reason I like him.

Eldrin is rather eccentric, so who knows? He’s a hard man to gain access to. I don’t know who his administrative assistant is - maybe he or she could help. He’s vowed to become involved.

Visit the Clayton Talk blog here at the AJC. It’s pretty vicious over there but you might find a sane one in the bunch who can direct you better than I.

Devastator:

Once again, you’re wrong. Give me a Democrat from the Blue Dog Coalition or a Democrat from the Democratic Leadership Council. I’ll have a looksee and let you know what I think instead of having you tell me what I think.

After seeing what the far-left has to offer here, you can bet I won’t ever vote for a far-left democrat so you’re half right, but not 100%.

(((When was the last time you saw someone go to the pulpit and ridicule the pastor of the church, even if it was necessary? What do you think would have happened to him if he did that? Did you do that when you disagreed with your pastor?)))

I’ve seen it on two occasions in my church. One from the pew and another from in front of the pulpit. I always deliver mine directly from the pew. I don’t look for perfection in my ministers. I call them on their human failings when I see ‘em.

We’ve had four ministers. I respectfully questioned three of them on their views delivered from the pulpit during services. One so vehemently that we both shed tears. We were, and are the best of friends since the air was cleared. The fourth one didn’t bother me in any way, but neither did he inspire me. I never questio

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

To everyone on this blog:

I want to take this time now to confess my gayness. The hostility that I show on this blog has been but a mere cover up for my insecurities as a male.

I will continue posting but I just had to get that off my chest.

Please don’t ask me any questions about the lifestyle I’ve been secretly leading, just be happy that I am now finally free as a jaybird!!

By Devastator

March 19, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

@@,

Ok @@, but do that as a politician and running for president of the united states and you have an argument against Obama.

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

RW and Andy- I have seen the Lowry clips. I do not think that Rev Lowry was saying GD America as much as he was saying GD the America of the past that made him drink from seperate water fountains, that lynched his brethren, and forced all his kinsmen into forced servitude.

Apparently, you came away with a different interpretation. How very unsurprising.

By N-GA

March 19, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Someone calling him/herself “Army” was boasting that military recruitment is up (therefore supporting the notion that this is a popular war).

So here are some sourced statistics:

94: Percent of Army recruits who had high school diplomas in Fiscal Year 2003 [Larry Korb, The Guardian, 10/12/07]

79: Percent of Army recruits who had high school diplomas in Fiscal Year 2007 [Larry Korb, The Guardian, 10/12/07]

4,644: Number of new Army recruits who were granted moral waivers in Fiscal Year 2003. [Houston Chronicle, 10/14/07]

12,057: Number of new Army recruits who were granted moral waivers in Fiscal Year 2007. [Houston Chronicle, 10/14/07]

67: Percent of captains the Army managed to retain this year, short of its goal of 80 percent, and in spite of cash bonus incentives of up to $35,000 [Armed Services Committee Hearing, 2/26/08]

When the military is desperate, they LOWER their standards. 60,000 troops have been forced to extend their tours of duty. There are 35,000 “private security contractors” (mercenaries) in Iraq. Last year 2,100 troops killed or injured themselves intentionally versus 350 in 2002. When the economy is in the toilet, the marginally employables flock to the recruiting offices.

Is there anything else you would like to say, “Army”?

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

N-GA: Good post. Give em hell!

By By Love

March 19, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

Ho hum, politics as usual, if you can’t find a substantial complaint-well then, just say he has an ugly dog.

Arthur C. Clarke, you helped open my eyes to the universe, RIP.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

AntiR,

It’s Reverend Jeremiah Wright not Lowry. Maybe you should go watch the right person and see what you think.

By AJC Management

March 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Apackolips: Of course the AJC Management is gay, you dumbas-s.

By the way, is there something wrong with that?

Would you like to explain your apparent hatred of homosexuals to us?

~~~~~

{{{{Last Friday, in an effort to gauge just how “out there” Wright’s sermons are in the context of the African-American church tradition, Newsweek phoned at least two dozen of the country’s most prominent and thoughtful African-American scholars and pastors, representing a wide range of denominations and points of view. Not one person would say that Wright had crossed any kind of significant line.}}}}

That’s exactly right, liberals hate America, the same thing I’ve always said.

And I ain’t just talking about the cult of Obambi, ask yourself why the KKKlintons haven’t made an issue out of preacherman.

Are they afraid to offend their voters?

By By Love

March 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Now we know why the NY NY crime rate dropped.

By @@

March 19, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Devastator:

Well I didn’t let me finish:

I never question their ability to minister, I just question their opinion on certain issues.

Best to get it out in the open rather than let it fester like Obama has done.

(((Ok @@, but do that as a politician and running for president of the united states and you have an argument against Obama.)))

I have an argument against “the man” that IS Obama, “the politician”.

I’m not understanding your logic Devastator.

When I first saw Obama speak at the convention, I was impressed and thought maybe….possibly….yea buddy, THIS GUY’S GOT IT!!!!!!

Nope! Watching him campaign for president, I began to think…..WELL CRAP, just another politician who’s building everyone’s HOPES to accomodate his rise and their letdowns.

I watched Bill Clinton being interviewed by Greta Van Susteren in New Orleans the other night. No doubt about it…that silver-tongued devil can get it done with his Global Initiative. That’s where Obama belongs - in Clinton’s Global Initiative but not in the White House. He could do some good in CGI. He wouldn’t know what he was doing as leader of the free world.

Anyhoo, ^^^ that’s really how I feel.

Anything else?

By AJC Managment

March 19, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Just because I’m gay and face prejudice and ridicule from others doesn’t mean I should be more sensitive to how I treat people!

Maybe I’m mad because I’m gay! Ever think of that?

You try telling your parents the news and see what attitude you develop.

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

RW- Sorry for the typo as regards the Rev “Wright”. Is that the best you got?

By By Love

March 19, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

Jerry Foulwell hates America.

(A)nti (J)(C)hrist Management hates America.

Love it, or leave it!

By AntiRadical

March 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Reps seem to be entirely unaware that the Rev “Wright” came from a generation that was disenfranchised and indentured via second class status due to the color of their skin.

Sadly, remnants of that America are still with us. The old Dixiecrats that defected to the Reps after Pres Johnson championed through the Civil Rights Act still hide within the oarty and try to do their mischief and promote their skinhead bigotry.

I am inclined to give the Rev “Wright” a pass as regards his statements. He and his generation earned the right to their opinion. I may not entirely agree but he earned the right, unquestionably!

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

AntiR,

Overlooking the fact that calling someone named Wright, Lowry three times isn’t a typo, yes I do have something more to add.

Put down your fictional war cost book and go read the transcript of Obama’s speech where Obama himself says he thinks Wright just doesn’t understand that America has made progress.

So are you saying Obama is just like Andy and me?

Now explain why the congregation was roused so by the sermons, jumping to their feet and cheering, if Obama is wrong and Wright is just waxing nostalgic.

By @@

March 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

AntiR:

It appears as though you’ve blown back a little less objective than when you left here.

(((I may not entirely agree but he earned the right, unquestionably!)))

He hasn’t earned the right to pass on his hatred. That’s the cyclical route to no progress at all. Kinda like…

I was abused so now you’re gonna be abused by having to listen to how I was abused and if you share in my abuse pass it forward.

Huh?

By By Love

March 19, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. Had an appointment down at the VA hospital today, people who were going to vote McCain have changed their minds, sick of the Reps mudslinging.

By AmVet

March 19, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

“Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

“Understanding the threats of our time, knowing the designs and deceptions of the Iraqi regime, we have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring.”

Guess who?

Monday, October 7, 2002

CINCINNATI, OHIO

These Bush apologist boys are as dumb as rocks…

By @@

March 19, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Another thing AntiR - if I recall you’re Bhuddist, correct? If so, you may want to rub the Big Guy’s belly.

There is no transmigration of individual souls, but through the law of karma, one’s wholesome or unwholesome intentions become imprinted in the mind. ——>Negative mental states persist through continual rebirth<—— until one’s intentions become wholesome.

People have free will to commit wrongs. Evil results as cravings, attachments, and ignorance accumulate through perpetual rebirths, thus perpetuating greed, hatred, and violence.

By AmVet

March 19, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

By love,

I was down there yesterday and as you know the parking has become horrific. I asked the doctor I was seeing and she said that the number of people going there had gone up dramatically recently.

Hmmmmmm, wonder why that is?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

Is that your attempt to ride to the rescue of the damsel Goldie?

Try again and this time try to back up what she claimed or you’ll wind up buried along with her in that hole she’s been digging all day.

By IN THE (Hussein)NEWS

March 19, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Huckabee — yes, Huckabee — comes to Obama’s and Wright’s defense

I find myself unable to completely reject my mother in law, 83 with a tendency to use the N word. Or Uncle Billie, who talks like a character out of “To kill a mockingbird” and then, because he IS the Baptist preacher he still says the Grace……But they know EXACTLY where I stand.

New Box game by Tiltin’ Badly

Distraction

By AmVet

March 19, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

GFYRW. You gutless never-served never-will POS Bush butt-licking chickenhawk pinko Hillary-voting pu$$y…

(Just kidding! I was doing my pre-banned Andy.)

(Just kidding on that just kidding part, you hole in the fossil record dipsh!t).

No really ricky retardo, just kidding!

(Just kidding on that just kidding on the just kidding part, you twisted, variations in the sun’s temperatures, wobbles in the earth’s orbit, fake Christian, hopelessly f^cked up little lurking twerp troll).

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

It’s always fun to see your true colors come out, Blowhard.

By js

March 20, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

The most courageous “patriots” are the ones such as vets against the war who have the guts to speak out against this waste of human time, money, life…for nothing, except to help neocons privatize our defense into blackwater getting paid ten times as much….they even got no-bid contracts to patrol NO after Katrina….private right-wing bush funded mercenary force in our homeland and doesn’t make the news!!!!

Whoever is too ignorant to know what is going on shouldn’t be posting anything…

The brainwashed soldier’s family who still supports the war after so much needless sacrifice is shameful…. maybe one day they will wake up and realize useless loss of life is not “courageous” it is not “patriotic”…it is a waste of our most precious resources, which could be benefiting our own country…..

Americans were outraged during Vietnam’s “police action”….now we are all apathetic….as our rights are trampled upon…..some still think there are WMDs and the global warming is myth….these shallow end of gene pool specimens are ruining our collective future….while the rest of the world forges ahead without us……

It is true our country is racist, and that we don’t care about what we inflict on others, or who, or why….the fact is, all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabis, al qaeda has nothing to do with iraq, even slimeball bill mentioned this…..wake up……

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