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Tsk, tsk

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 07:18 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By AJC Management

March 18, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

Weak and lame, cartoon boy, weak and lame.

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{{{{Newly sworn in New York Governor David Paterson admits to sex with other woman for years- In the course of several interviews in the past few days, Paterson said he maintained a relationship for two or three years with “a woman other than my wife,” beginning in 1999.}}}}

Trying to fit into the crowd, eh?

(The crowd of phlinadering demokrat govs.)

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{{{{Obama to broaden discussion of race-Urinal}}}}

If the “disussion” gets any “broader,” whole American cities will be in flames.

Can we not just say that Obambi is going to whine about his race?

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{{{{Fifty-two percent of registered Democrats questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say the senator from Illinois is their choice for president, with 45 percent supporting Clinton.}}}}

Let’s look at the man they libs prefer:

{{{{How does one “transcend” race in this church? The fact is that Barack Obama has fellow-traveled with a hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism all his adult life, failing to stand and challenge an ideology that would have no place for his own mother. And what portent of presidential judgment is it to have exposed his two daughters for their entire lives to what is, at the very least, a subtext of anti-white vitriol?}}}}

Now watch as he lies his way out of this.

Just like your typical lib would.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Greenspan warns of worst crisis since World War II

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Ralph Nader: George Bush a ‘recidivist war criminal’

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Seven out of 10 Iraqis want foreign forces to leave: poll

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

-Cont As much as I admired Reagan as a foreign policy leader, his economic record is, quite frankly, dismal. Same is true for Bush1, and now for Bush2. How many times do you need to repeat the same failed experiment before you believe the result? You are intelligent enough to know that the only reason Bush2’s economic record is as good as it is has been so far is that it has been wholly supported by war bucks and even the influx of those CORPORATE ‘welfare-state’ funds has not been enough to quell the inevitable decline and fall that we are now witnessing.

Leading our great nation forward in these complex and trying economic times will require a deft hand at the helm. Republicans continue to apply the supply-side economic theory in a manner contrary to its tenants. They are categorically unfit to assume command once again. Like alcoholics, they are determined to follow the same failed efforts, time-after-time, until they fall dead and rotting in the new economic gutter. Let’s not drag America at large into that gutter with them.

Lastly, you then give the Republicans a free-pass regarding the Rev Lowry slugfest. I always watch Fox news for the Republican take. I have witnessed 4 solid days of non-stop back-to-back rehash of old Lowry clips on that network ad-nauseum now. The interests of the Republican faithful are what drive this particular media segment coverage of course. To deny that is to expose your permanent address in never-never land. By the way, is your real name ‘Peter Pan’?

By Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Osama's "Personal" Advisor (Mad As Zell)

March 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

((((“GOD DAMN AMERICA”-Pastor Jeremiah Wright, BaRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA’s “Personal” Spiritual Advisor))))

Finally, our little lying sack of sh!t faux-uniter is revealed to be the America-hating, anti-American loving, black racist Islamafacist TRAITOR that he really is, courtesy of a treasure trove of racist, treasonous, turncoat comments from BaRAT’s left-wing black-power marxist snake-oil salesman con-artist cultist “preacher” the dishonorable Pastor Jeremiah Wright, who presides over a CULT of turncoat black supremacists who are nothing more than jihad marxists parading as poorly-disguised fake Christians. The only church that this racist black supremacist America-hating left-wing moonbat psycho should be preaching at is in an islamic prison ministry at Guantanimo Bay from a maximum security jail cell in chains and leg irons with his butt-and-blood Islamafacist buddies from Al-Qadea. Instead of running for President, the white people-hating racist black supremacist BaRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA should be in a maximum security jail cell 23-1/2 hours-a-day (at either Guantanimo Bay or Supermax) in leg irons and chains awaiting trial for charges of TREASON, CONSPIRACY and being an ENEMY COMBATANT. It is UNFATHOMABLE that an ENEMY MARXIST ISLAMAFACIST such as BaRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA is being allowed to run for President of a God-fearing Christian nation like the U.S. of A. and not rotting away in a jail cell with the rest of his jihadist “brothers” as he rightfully should be! The Presidency is a job for All-Americans like War Hero, Senator John McCain and not anti-Americans like BaRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA and his quack preacher!

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Server dropped this first post: Luckovichisaheadcase- I enjoyed your discourse regarding supply side economics in the previous thread. I was particularly intrigued by your reference to 30’s regulatory efforts (Hawley-Smoot). My friend, the world has changed if you haven’t noticed. Analogy is always suspect but I am none-the-less tweaked to observe that in the 30’s the state-of-the-art plane was the Curtis-Jenny while today we produce the stealth bomber. Fixing today’s economy with 30’s after-knowledge then can be likened to fixing the B-1 with a crew of those old Jenny mechanics.

Supply-side requires a closed economic system. America is no longer a closed system and the delicate balance necessary between management/labor can no longer play a determining factor. As you noted, and did I, factories and production move overseas. What you propose is that we enrich every third world pig sty to bring their lower classes to the same level of decency as our own lower classes, and then the dynamics of supply-side can possibly work, no? While the ‘open-system’ (not supply-side) efforts you espouse will insure a continued high rate of living for American and foreign upper echelons (for a brief time), in the end they are doomed to fail. You must be a member of the “me-first” generation that thinks only of itself and has no care for the health of our country at large. Cont-

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

To all Republican Hatemongers:

Obama is no more responsible for the beliefs of his pastor, the Rev Wright, than the followers of the Rev Ted Haggard are for his homosexual amphetamine fueled fumblings in those sleazy motel rooms. Nuff said?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

McCain, Cheney reject Petraeus analysis of Iraq

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Paul McCartney’s ex, Heather Mills, offered to bail out Bear Stearns today. When told that Bear Stearns was already bailed out, Miss Mills mumbled something about Luca Bratzi.

Presidential shoe-in Obama admitted today that he owns several Tupac CDs. He distanced himself from the violent tone and tawdry language, however.

Seriously, Obama is black. That shouldn’t matter in a democratic republic. To the extent that Americans vote based on race, we have no democratic republic.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

A little something for RW/DUH/AJCMGMT/RB/WhatEVER

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

And maybe just a little bit more

By @@

March 18, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Merciful percival ml. Somebody needs to throw you a bone.

Maybe after Obama’s press conference today, you can have Barack sitting up and begging in tomorrow’s cartoon?

Rolling over and playing dead?

Chasing his tail?

We shall see.

By Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Osama's "Personal" Advisor (Demoncrat)

March 18, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

All that the Demoncrat Party has to offer the American People is lies, deceit, hate, negativity and anti-Americanism. The American People HATE the Demoncrats just as much the Demoncrats HATE the American People! Hitlery and Osama’s true colors (white sheets and black supremacy) are fully shining through! Instead of votes and money Demoncrats deserve nothing more than utter contempt, spit, pi$$ and sh!t from the America People in November, and for that matter, year round. Demoncrats should get the same kind of contemptuous and disrespectful treatment they’ve given the American People for most of its existence. Speaking of “Chickens coming home to roost”, looks BaRAT’s jihadist chickens are coming home to help aid in one of the most spectacular meltdowns of a Presidental campaign, ever!

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Cnn just reported that Obama apologized today for how uppity and lazy some black slaves were in the 19th century deep south. He praised the landed white gentry who were forced to whip these colored no accounts into a more productive posture and pledged that as president he would bail out any ante-bellum institutions that survived the increase costs and loss of revenue that lazy slaves had caused.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

GOPher think 8:19

“To all Republican Hatemongers: Obama is no more responsible for the beliefs of his pastor, the Rev Wright, than the followers of the Rev Ted Haggard are for his homosexual amphetamine fueled fumblings in those sleazy motel rooms. Nuff said?”

Gopher - it would be comparable if Rev Haggard had taken to the pulpit and called for such actions. As it was, his conduct was something he tried to hide that was inconsistent with his message.

I heard another person on a panel cite the Catholic Church’s problems with priests molesting boys as an example of why Rev Wright should be excused. Again, if the priests stood at the pulpit and exhorted the congregation to molest little boys there’d be a problem. As it was, their conduct was inconsistent with the church’s teachings (the abysmal way the church handled the situation is another matter).

So, in these cases we have conduct inconsistent with teachings. In the Wright case, we have preaching as teaching that many see inconsistent with a message of love, acceptance, reconciliation and unity.

‘Nuff said?

By AJC Management

March 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

{{{{By GOPher Think March 18, 2008 8:19 AM To all Republican >>>>Hatemongers:<<<< Obama is no more responsible for the beliefs of his pastor, the Rev Wright, than the followers of the Rev Ted Haggard are for his >>>>homosexual amphetamine fueled fumblings in those sleazy motel rooms.<<<< Nuff said?}}}}

Ahhh, yes, liberals hating on homosexuality and drug use, what other wonders will they have for us today?

By Paul

March 18, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin 8:26

Lessee, Heather Mills got $48.6 mil for four years. That works out to over $33,000 a day.

Spitzer paid w*******, what, $3-5k an hour?

So, assuming (generously) Mills and McCartney spent, on average one hour a day with their marital enjoyment (the rest was just face time - Spitzer paid for a period of performance, remember), then Mills gets more than six times the hourly rate of the Spitzer agency’s best hooker!

I just like real-world math examples with dollar signs -

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Andy Duhng really wants to be Citizen Kane, and select the spin of the news stories for the day. But he’s not so much Rosebud, as Blowspud.

Cnn just reported that Heather Mills offered to bail out Bear Stearns today….

By Paul

March 18, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

They censor a word describing a profession? Wow. All the names people call each other, but I can’t cite a profession?

Let’s see if any of these make it through:

Hooker

Prostitute

Lady of the Night

Woman of the Evening

Call girl

Lady of the evening

Streetwalker

Working girl

Divorce attorney

:-)

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Funny cartoon, but I thought Laura was Condi for a minute. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Laura in a cartoon.

Paul,

I watched a good show on the Discovery Channel - The Complete Story of Jesus - last night. I enjoyed it. Made Jesus out to be a Jewish rebel. Being Holy Week, there’s bound to be some good “religion” stuff on the History Channel, Discovery, etc.

That was just random, as many of my comments are, but Obama needs to distance himself from this guy, he seems like an albatross, or a weight around the neck. But, again, we are so ADD, it will be forgotten soon.

RW,

Just read your comment from last night. I’m sure termination to qualify for long term disability is legit somehow, do you know the specific statue by any chance?

I said we have no government healthcare? I don’t believe I did, you may have misconstrued (?sp) my comment, but I read through my comments and didn’t see anything to indicate that. And yes, I think we need some form of it. Not a complete nanny state of course, but some form of it.

By The Honorable Reverend Jeremiah Wright (Demoncrat)

March 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

((((“GOD DAMN AMERICA”-the dishonorable anti-USA Cultist Reverend Jeremiah Wright, BaRAT HUSSEIN OSAMA’s Personal Spiritual Advisor))))—Do the American People really want a man is charge of America’s nuclear arsenal who has a close advisor who has spewed this type of anti-USA, anti-Israel hate in his ear for 20 years? A man that runs in the same circles as the openly flaming anti-Semetic Islamafacist Louis Farrakhan?

GOPher think roadkill and IN Hussein’s BOWELS:

BaRAT Hussein Lil’ Osama is MORE THAN RESPONSIBLE for the comments of his quack cultist psycho faux-Pastor because he sat there, faithfully listened and eagerly yucked-it-up for OVER 20 YEARS!!! Not only was Osama fully aware of the anti-American comments and invective spewed every Sunday by the dishonorable Rev. Wright, his PERSONAL SPIRITUAL ADVISOR, but BaRAT was in FULL AGREEMENT of irresponsible anti-USA comments, his Pastor, the Rev. Wright, was saying like “AIDS was invented by the US Government to attack African Americans” and “America’s chickens have come home to roost”.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I used that word quite a bit last week and it didn’t make it through. They won’t even let “t**” through. Watch them do it now that I’ve put it in quotation marks.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:21

If McCain would not have included “political” in his “military and political progress” comment he’d have been okay. There has been progress - formation of a government, elections, adoption of a constitution, preliminary legislation on oil revenue sharing, but I don’t think anyone would argue these are the result of the surge.

The surge’s objective, remember, was to provide the conditions (through a reduction in violenct) that would give the government the opportunity to show progress.

The fact the Iraqi government did not take advantage of the conditions provided by the surge does not mean the surge failed. The surge reduced the violence. Objective met. The Iraqi government did not make decent progress. Another opportunity blown.

So the real question is: what now? So far, I haven’t heard much from any of the candidates that involves a long-term description of what will likely result from their policies.

By Copyleft

March 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Madman Zell certainly lives up to his name, doesn’t he? I’m sure glad he’s on the opposing side, destroying THEIR credibility rather than ours. (Sorta like Michael Savage, Ann Coulter… gosh, what a list we could make!)

Oh, and supply-side economics was tried. And it failed, disastrously. Time to MoveOn to a smarter economic policy.

By Truthman

March 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Once you go Barack, you never go back!!

—TM 2008

By Paul

March 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

IThN 8:59

See why I say we can cut the Defense budget?

And why I’m disappointed none of the Democratic candidates (going back to the early primaries) or Republican candidates, or leaders of the House or Senate (too much money to be funneled back to their districts in earmarks and contracts) have made such a call?

Talk about pandering and buying votes -

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

I guess if cartoon psycho compares Bush to an untrained house pet then it is all right to compare Bill or Hillary Clinton to any pig that will do it with anyone, even in the mud if he as to. Or, I could compare Barak Obama to something offensive. Then you could scream that I am a racist. My point is that certain things cross the boundaries of good taste, even in cartoons. This cartoon might have been mildly amusing if it had been targeted at NY’s former governor, but even then it would be in bad taste. Luckovich, you’re a tasteless jerk and you prove it every time you put pen to paper.

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

lol, paul.

Okay, the cartoon today wasted the dog. I mean, you’d have to be really easily amused to….is Luckovich now writing for preschoolers? Today’s toon is just not sophisticated enough.

Mike, look, I’m proud of you. You deserve your success, but America is changing, and so are the expectations. Maybe it’s me. Perhaps I’m jaded. Have you been reading any of the news about the Hadron Collider and following links about what science is on the threshold of? Make that your priority and the new twists and the funny funny funny stuff will come.

Irony rules the universe, but dont slap someone’s hands with that ruler. Oh, I see, Laura’s talking to the dog, or if she wasn’t, the dog got in a good one first before W could respond, him being so my pet goat and all. Maybe show bush with a bad dog hang dog posture in remorse for his behavior, ears could do that alone, or give us something more, I hate being disappointed……that cartoon is already in the (I hate this word) Zeitgeist.

Example? Everyone knows bill clinton likes women, yet that’s the punchline of every leno joke, “and bill clinton said, “there’s women there?”….”…and bill clinton suddenly showed up…..” “….and bill clinton just smiled and smiled….”

I hate Leno. I”ve hated Leno ever since he ruined the legacy of Carson totally and forever. There couldn’t be a god if Leno is the host of the tonight show and didn’t get fired after a half season. No god whatsoever. We are alone in comedy hell my fine friend. My fine fine friend.

By The Honorable Reverend Jeremiah Wright (Demoncrat)

March 18, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

IN THE Hussein BOWELS, the left-wing sincerely thanks you for letting them use your face as a toilet for their anti-American invective. For this achievement you get what any LIBERAL MOONBAT SACK OF SH!T dreams of and rightfully deserves: utter contempt, spit, pi$$ and sh!t, in that rancid and disgusting toilet on your shoulders that you have the nerve to call a face!

IN THE NEWS, a disgusting and embarrassing treasonous disgrace to the American People! We, The American People, gladly welcome IN THE Hussein NEWS and the marxist Demoncrat Party to the HALL OF SHAME!!!!

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Copyleft - please cite imperical evidence that Supply Side Economics has failed miserably. What is your proof? The expansion that occurred from 1983-1991, the expansion that occurred from 1994-2000, or the expansion that occurred during the last 52 months straight? Please tell me how lowering taxes hurts business and makes people poorer? Tell me about all of the successes of Socialism and Keynesian economics, please. Tell me about why Ireland is called the Celtic Tiger even though they have almost no public welfare programs and a completely PRIVATE elementary and secondary education system? Explain to me the complete stagnation and chaos in the British economy before Thatcher took office in 1979? Please explain the aggressive program of privatization in the French economy persued over the last 15 years and why it has been haled as such a success? I need to know, for my own benefit, how and WHY Supply Side Economics has been such a dismal failure. Maybe you can explain that to people like Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke or even Paul Volker. We all need to know.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

McCain’s Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Heather Mills offered to bail out Bear Stearns today……

CNN just reported that Obama has denied that he’s Osama’s lover or that they trained in Afghanistan together, or that his clothes have thin C4 explosives sewn into them and if he can just get close enough to the Washington Monument……

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Veterans Administration Won’t Help Soldiers Register to Vote

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

It never ceases to amaze me that the wingnuts take these cartoons so seriously.

Mr. Headcase,

THEY ARE POLITICAL CARTOONS! Lighten up. When Hilary or Obama become president, Luckovich will write satirical cartoons about them.

And yes, drawing Bill as a pig who would have sex with anything that moves would be rather graphic and not belong in a newspaper, but rather a graphic porn site.

And yes, if you compared to Obama to something to indicate racism, we would all be screaming that you are a rascist pig.

Lighten up and take a minute to breath through this.

So, how’d ya’ like GOPhers economic comments?

Since you never got back to me yesterday about all the jobs being created left and right in this country - I’ll add one more comment. You said earlier that the influx of illegal immigrants proves that jobs are being created left and right, but I don’t see too many Hispanic immigrants working in law firms and doctor’s offices, and investment firms, or even as teachers, firmen, or policemen. Get my point?

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Maybe Copyleft can provide that imperical evidence about supply side economics after you supply your imperical evidence that European healthcare models are so disatrous.

What’s good for the goose…….

By The Honorable Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Demoncrat)

March 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Kopykatleftbehind: Is there ever an original thought that comes out of that moonbat peebrain of yours? Your frontrunner, BaRAT Hussein Osama’s credibility is being flushed down the toilet as we speak, after being discovered to be a USA-hating black racist jihadist thru the big mouth of his hateful quack preacher, his close Personal Spiritual Advisor. Looks like what little credibility left-wing Demoncrats ever had is in the process of going down the toilet right this minute and will be irretrievably “in the tank” after Osama gives his pathetic little speech this morning. Oh and speaking of toilet tanks, here’s another fake moonbat marxist news update from IN THE Hussein BOWELS!

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Paul - you have a really good point. President Reagan once asked each member of Congress to tell him what could be cut from the defense budget in his district or state. He got no responses. That alone is the best argument for killing earmarks and giving the President the line-item veto. Even Clinton wanted that authority. In fact, every president since Lincoln has wanted it!

By Paul

March 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

IThN 9:33

Many people mistakenly believe Federal agencies are given a bit pot of money at the beginning of the year and they can spend it on whatever they want that loosely falls under their mission. Not so.

Congress appropriates money by programs. Agencies build budgets to estimate how the money will be spent on those programs. Part of that is very detailed plans that list each person, by grade, who is involved.

So if an agency is funded for health care - so many doctors, nurses, people who order supplies, people who answer the phones, do the paperwork for incoming veterans, do the quality assurance for the health care -

which of these people should be pulled from their duties to register veterans to vote?

If Congress thinks this is a worthwhile effort, they can appropriate the money to pay for the people to do the job. Otherwise, it’s just political posturing and a springboard for Sen Feinstein and others to criticize the Bush administration.

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Paul @8:41- What I said was not that the Rev Wright was any more corresct than the Rev Haggard or that either should be excused. Nice try at obfistucation though.

What I said was that Obama is not the Rev Wright and that the predominantly Republican followers of the Rev Haggard are not him either. Are you truley that obtuse?

To assume that followers of any congregation agree with the present or past leaders of that congregation about any particular issue is fallacious. We have all seen the tarring and feathering of all Republicans for the actions of Foley, Haggard, etc. You must accept that as fact as well then?

This is probably a very good thing. It will in the end pull the curtain from the remnant Republican Dixicrat hate machine, and we can all witness the new “Wizard of Odd”. I was wondering how long they would hide behind their language of ‘culture of low expectations’, et al or if they would ever show their true faces.

Thanks to Rev Wright for pulling the curtain back. G******* the Rev Wright for his bigotry.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Bosch - I never read any comments on this blogue after 3 p.m. That just might be why I didn’t get back to you. Please never assume anything because… And yes we have created over 8 million legal jobs in various industries and professions over the last seven years. We have averaged until January well over 100,000 a month. No, you don’t see a lot of illegal immigrants holding professional jobs, but I happen to know quite a few hispanics who are hold doctors, lawyers, accountants and teachers. They are usually people who are here legally or have been here for generations, like MY MOTHER’S FAMILY!!! (Barrientos) I myself hold several degrees, as do my siblings. This family came up from nothing and almost every one of them is a REPUBLICAN because that party values hard work and true moral values. Yes, there are some who strayed, but we believe that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He rejects arrogance (Clinton AND Craig). He does not reject true contrition. By the way, this country has added some 32 million jobs since the introduction of supply side economics in 1981!

By Paul

March 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

I would not want my remarks misinterpreted as “anti-Defense.” I’m just being consistent in my view that in any huge bureaucracy that has evolved over the years, with myriad programs that have remained in place, that there are items that can be reduced, changed, eliminated, combined. All these actions mean fewer resources, hence, fewer dollars demanded from the citizens. So this applies across the Federal spectrum.

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

GOPher - Both Wright and Hagee are WRONG!!! However, Wright’s remarks are all the more offensive because of the ‘amens’ he was receiving and the fact that so many people are rushing to defend that which is indefensable. Not one person with whom I have spoken or who I have heard on any news channel has deigned to defend Hagee. He is an ignorant jerk and is being treated as such. However, he is NO MORE offensive than Wright and in many ways less because he did not venture into the sphere of complete and total hatred of this country that the Dishonerable Rev. Wrong did. He also needs to take a good long look in the mirror and take into account that his hatred of white folks just might be self-hatred!!!

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 8:59,

I’m not sure we would be dealing with a statute unless you’re saying that your friend would be getting long term disability payments from the government. If it’s an employer based long term disability payment you would just be dealing with company policy and that policy would likely be dictated by the company’s insurance policy.

In either case the policy/statute would almost surely say that a condition of being disabled would mean you could no longer perform your job functions. It just seems like common sense to me.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

GOPher think 9:47

Oh, I can be pretty obtuse, at times.

I’ve tried rereading your 8:19

““To all Republican Hatemongers: Obama is no more responsible for the beliefs of his pastor, the Rev Wright, than the followers of the Rev Ted Haggard are for his homosexual amphetamine fueled fumblings in those sleazy motel rooms. Nuff said?””

in light of what you wrote at 9:47. I see your examples as apples and oranges.

Let me try phrasing it this way. Rev Haggard’s actions were his personal conduct. His conduct was inconsistent with the “beliefs” he preached from the pulpit.

Rev Wright is not being criticized for engaging in conduct inconsistent with his preaching; rather, he is being criticized for the very words he preached.

Rev Wright’s followers could not be held accountable for listening to a man whose hidden actions were inconsistent with his private preaching.

Sen Obama is being questioned if he knew of Rev Wright’s preaching, his beliefs - not of any hidden actions. If he knew, people ask what weight Sen Obama gave to those remarks and how that affected his decision to remain part of the church.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

“We have averaged until January well over 100,000 a month”

Got any data to back that up?

I too know several Hispanics that are professional and are here legally and have been here a long time.

Again, you are not answering my question and making sh!t up.

“And yes we have created over 8 million legal jobs in various industries and professions over the last seven years”

Again, data?

How many jobs have we lost in the past seven years?

“but we believe that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He rejects arrogance (Clinton AND Craig). He does not reject true contrition”

Please spare me the sermon. So, God is a man? How do you know? Again, any proof of this, or are you again, just pulling God’s purpose like your numbers out of the clear blue sky?

Like I wrote yesterday (way before 3:00), I’m asking you this because you seem pretty confident in your assertion that you know more about this than me or anyone else.

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

PO @10:01- We could, also, diminish the Rev Wright’s bigotry by observing that he is a member of a black generation that was lynched, despised solely on the basis of the color of their skin, and denied all opportunity during the majority of their lifetime. I choose not to diminish either the Rev Wright’s hypocrisy or the Rev Haggard’s.

The basic fact still remains that Obama is not the Rev Wright and all Republicans (except those vile despicable Dixiecrats that infested the Grand Ole Party in the 60’s) are not homosexual amphetamine guzzling hypocrits. Would you agree?

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

In this showdown with Big Oil, McCain is AWOL, missing in action.

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

I apologize for mixing names of televangelists up. I meant to write Haggard rather than Hagee. I don’t pay attention to any of those money grubbers anyway. I see them and all I can think of is the Ray Stevens’ song - ‘Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on His Television Show?’

By Paul

March 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Gopher

Change

“Rev Wright’s followers could not be held accountable for listening to a man whose hidden actions were inconsistent with his PRIVATE preaching.”

to

“Rev Wright’s followers could not be held accountable for listening to a man whose hidden actions were inconsistent with his PUBLIC preaching.”

BTW - Fox News is carrying Sen Obama’s speech live. In it’s entirety. ABC,CBS, NBC, CNN are not. So much for the rightwingneoconreactionary Faux news attempting to advance a neocon agenda. MSNBC is also carrying it.

By Economic Literacy

March 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

IT(H)N - Your little bit of news could only be true if we were still on some kind of metal standard - e.g. gold or silver. The Fed cannot, by definition of it being the central bank, ‘run out of funds.’ You need to consult some better sources.

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Paul- I do see your point which I basically discern as many of the Rev Wright’s congregants did applaud his open bigotry while most of the Rev Haggards would have presumably denounced his hidden persona.

However, Obama, the individual, has stated publicly and quite unequivocably that he does not agree with the Rev Wright’s bigotry. Yet he is still tarred and feathered with guilt through association.

I, also, do not agree with many of the leaders of my own congregation. Particularly I do not approve of engagement in the political process while in the church. What one thiks and believes outside is their business.

I still go to the same church as I have for some 28 years, however and I tolerate, often with gritted teeth, the offensiveness of many deacons and even some of our pastors that have come and gone. That certainly does not mean that I agree with them, however.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

It does not matter what BO spews today, it is over.

Yet, his supporters will swallow his radical bs like the bushies do with w.

If he called for the resignations of w and cheney today, I would vote for him but nobody has the guts.

w and cheney get a free pass and waiting on somebody to stop the destruction and say enough is enough.

Whoever does this will be famous.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Bosch - you really must be a glass half empty kind of guy, in the extreme. I just looked at those stats and NOT ONE has a projected growth of less than 10%. That sounds great to me over a ten year period. I am really at a loss to understand what the problem is here?

By Truthman

March 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

“No god? Know Peace!!”

-Truthman

“Religion is the opiate of the masses!!”

Marx

“Religion is believing in something you know ain’t true!”

Mark Twain

As I always say, great minds think alike.

god, santa, the toothfairy, Rush Limbaugh and El Dorado are all myths and fantasies clung to by people who cannot rely on the person looking back at them in the mirror every day!

The sooner the world gets over the whole god-myth, the better off we’ll all be!!!

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Mr. Luckovich, I don’t get your cartoon. It eludes me. And I especially don’t understand why you have chosen this time to poke fun at Patrick Swayze’s role in “To Wong Foo”. The man is ill, and this is no time to be drawing cartoons at his expense.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

IT(H)FS,

That Norwegian management consultant you’re touting at 10:19 doesn’t seem to recognize that the United States has a Congress that serves as a coequal branch of the US government. Perhaps as Economic Literacy already mentioned, you should find some better sources for your propaganda.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

RW,

I know it seems like common sense if a person is no longer to perform their job duties then they should not work for their employer.

But this person, who, you’re right, can’t perform their job duties has been fired from the company they’ve worked for for 20+ years, and is too young to receive retirement benefits from the company. They will receive 2/3rds of their salary, but will have to apply for Medicare to provide for any health care expenses.

That just doesn’t seem right to me, and the human resources manager told my friend that it is federal law that the employee must be terminated in order to be eligible for the long term disability (which you are right, that is part of the insurance policy). I can see that, because they wouldn’t qualify for Medicare if they were still employed, or not certified as disabled. But it still seems to me like a private company (insurance and the employer) pushing off healthcare costs to the taxpayers.

Now, yes, it is a companies’ responsibility to make a profit, I’m not arguing that. But to me, it’s another example of how healthcare costs have become so burdensome that companies can’t afford it, and the taxpayers are having to pick up the slack.

Like Paul and I mentioned yesterday, how many people do you know that have been laid off then hired back as a consultant or contractor with no benefits? It seems to be a growing trend.

And I’m still not quite sure which federal law is the basis for all of this (the termination).

By Paul

March 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

GOPher Think

Actually, I was not trying to infer anything about the congregation - don’t want to go there, too speculative. My remarks were solely regarding Sen Obama.

I think Obama did the correct thing when he made the initial condemnatory statements and should be taken at his word. Period.

I agree, there are people within churches who do not seem to be trying to live the principles.

When this first broke and I heard the phrase “God Damn America” I thought - I wonder if what he’s saying is, we have drug offender laws that fall heavily on the young, male black population. HIV hits pretty hard at people with no insurance - again, poor groups (different from a conscious decision to introduce HIV into the black community, though) - we bomb Hiroshima and show now remorse - for actions such as that, God cannot bestow blessings on America, hence God damns (stops the flow of the good) to America.

Probably reading too much into it from my own background. Point is, though, there are many ways to hear something, as we see on this forum.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Oh contraire, I’m always a half is full guy, but did you notice what type of jobs they were? Not very high paying jobs. Short-on-the job training kind of jobs.

Just saying.

Answer to any of my questions from earlier? I’m waiting on your explanation of those numbers - with anticipation of your brilliance.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Glenn

How did you get Vida Boheme out of that cartoon?

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Paul, you get one more chance. Observer = Paul.

By @@

March 18, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Here’s how I view Obama’s radical church problem. He (Obama) has stated that it’s the church fellowship that has kept him there for 20 years.

Every church member that I’ve seen interviewed supports Rev. Wright and his message and do not view him as radical. They’ve even gone so far as to say that what he preaches is true.

Now please don’t take this as racist, but I have yet to see any member interviewed who can compare to Obama’s level of intellect.

Let’s say that Obama doesn’t agree with what his minister says. What does that leave us with?

Obama has no problem with his fellow parishioners believing it because it serves his personal goals. He needs their support. He needed it to get to the Illinois state senate, and he needs it now to become president.

From this you can surmise that they are his “useful tools” and that’s what I find most offensive.

If my minister(s) were to preach a message of hate aimed at African Americans, I would no longer attend that church. Juan Williams and I agree on that point.

Obama is in serious trouble with this newest revelation as are race relations in the foreseeable future.

My personal opinion is that there should not exist….”The Black Church”. I have never heard any reference made to “The White Church”.

What a shame.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

Here’s the whole quote:

“Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opiate of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo”

By Georgia 74

March 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

One thing we should all keep in mind, no matter who is elected, not even in our wildest dreams, on the worst day of our life, now or in the future, on this planet or in some other reality, they will be better than waht we have now.

By GOPher Think

March 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Paul@10:32- It seems we agree, afterall.

I will say, though, that regardless of any particulars that night excuse the Rev Wright’s speech I still beieve him to be a bigot.

I do not believe him to be unAmerican, as you said. I think he would love an America that is as it should be (totally free of all prejudice), unfortunately that is not the America we have.

Much of the language that the Rev Wright has issued though is clearly inflammatory and not fit to be issued from a pulpit. I still believe him to be a bigot, albeit a black one.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Read BO’s speech at drudge and this guy says it all:

“WHICH LIES DO OBAMA TELL TODAY? That he never heard Rev. Wright and Trinity’s racism and American hatred over 20 years? Or, that it is just words that he and his family listened to but did not believe, even though you continued his membership, financial support, and close relationship with the reverend, the church, and the community?

I do not see how Obama undos 20 years of participation in a racist and America hating church. His best answer is to apologize, resign from the race with commitment to return once he cleans up his act and decides if he can be a non-racist associated candidate and if he can support America.

Posted by Matthew Weaver”

Time to jump aboard the Clinton machine to crush McTorturedkook.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin 10:37

One more chance with what?

Also, I still don’t see the need some have for multiple names. Or the fascination with attempting to ferret out who is whom. I’m with RW on this - one name is enough to keep track of.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Does Obama go to that church anymore?

I mean, we all have crazy old uncles we don’t really agree with, don’t we? You still love these crazy old relatives, but geez, sometimes it hurts to hear them talk.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Maybe you can get some answers here.

I don’t see anything at all wrong with a company terminating full time positions and hiring the same people back as consultants/contractors if that’s a more profitable business model. It’s your obligation as an employee to make yourself invaluable to your employer so that they don’t run the risk of losing you. If you aren’t then you’re lucky to even get the consulting/contracting work.

I think you’ll find that most of the underlying reasons for these conditions are a result of government “fixes” already and more intervention in the free markets by the government will only make things worse. The people that founded Home Depot say that because of Sarbanes-Oxley they wouldn’t have even tried to form that company today.

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So this is supposed to be the most important speech of Obama’s political life and he’s now nearly forty minutes late. Why do Democrat politicians always think their time is so much more valuable than the rest of ours?

By Truthman

March 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Thanks. Great reading, although 19th century writers sure were verbose!!

Just so people know, I am not anti-religious, I am simply non-relgious. If people get their jollies from hanging a dead guy on a cross around their necks, or six-pointed stars or wearing a Kufi, far be it from me to protest.

However, ALL RELIGION SHOULD BE LEFT AT THE COURTHOUSE/STATEHOUSE/WHITE HOUSE DOOR AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER!!

As my Hero, Helen Thomas, made Bush confess during his ridiculous “faith-based initiative,” we are a “SECULAR GOVERNMENT.”

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Political Schmuck - I AM NOT PAUL. You assume facts not in evidence. You owe Paul and apology.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Bosch - in regards to your 9:39 post, I have provided that imperical evidence repeatedly. I did so yesterday concerning the death rate of colon cancer sufferers in the British system. 20% of patients who receive an early diagnosis die waiting for treatment. This figure is below 1% in the United States. Even those who are diagnosed in somewhat later stages have a chance. As with almost all cancers, if totally undiagnosed then death is the result.( I am a survivor, my grandmother went undiagnosed for 4 years and just passed away. She though she had indigestion and other intestinal difficulties and ignored it.) No system is perfect, but ours is much better. Pregnant women also do not get the care under the British system that is available even to poor women in this country because it is rationed. These are facts. I have lived in Europe and that is why I won’t even go to an HMO, because I have a choice and mine is NOT to be treated like a lamb going to be slaughtered in springtime.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW,

I see your point, but respectfully disagree. It’s the employees that make the business what it is, and should therefore be treated as humans and not a line item. The queen bee dies without the worker bees.

Thank Kenneth Lay and such for Sarbanes Oxley. Remember there are more American workers than American corporate CEOs that won’t stand for such practices.

Truthman,

I like that quote, but the whole quote. Opium makes you feel good, like religion and your beliefs are supposed to. I like the part right before the “opiate” part:

“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions”

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

How, Paul? The jaw line, the chin, the close-set eyes…My GOD MAN! Come to your SENSES! Can you not see that it’s Swayze in TX Big Hair helmet?

But I think the Swayze character is right: if President Clinton had not been so obvious, he might not have cornered the dog vote (about time we had one of Our Own in ofc.), but at least Barney wouldn’t have gotten the rap for soiling the carpets.

Ed. Theory Tip of the Day: There is no such thing as “Economic Literacy”. There is only literacy.

[Hoover 08]

P.S. I’m shipping a frozen block of Texas Red up to a VFW post in North Georgia today, so be alert for weather advisories as to wind direction.

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

The fact that I sybil-pseudonym is evidence of how much I care about IDs. The name dont matter. It’s the comment.

My comments are unsung depravity at it’s worst, so that you all may take full offense at your reflection.

Your own comments get under fingernails and crust the poorly wiped portion of the unsunned cavities (which are also your reflection).

So blog. Nobody reads you unless they think it’s me long enough to realize it isn’t. That’s all you’ve got: posturing and impostering your john hancock on your john’s handcock.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

It’s true that the good employees make a company what it is, but that’s because they made themselves invaluable to their employer. Nobody owes anybody else a job or any benefit set. When you earn more for your company than those things cost the employer and the employer runs the risk of losing your services to his competition if he doesn’t pay you those things then you will get them. Outside of that set of circumstances he has no obligation to you. Conversely it’s true that if an employer loses all of his good talent to his competition he’ll go out of business which also proves my point.

Keep in mind the jobs are made available by an employer to serve the needs of his company, there are no jobs that inherently belong to the workers.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

‘A more perfect union’ Full transcript of Obama’s speech on race as prepared for delivery

“”I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”“”

Brilliant.

Again, Senator Obama elevates the discussion.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

You throw that 20% British colon cancer mortality rate around alot.

I’m truly sorry for your loss, and I admire your courage to battle a horrible disease like cancer, but it does not even begin to prove that the European model or any other country’s model of healthcare is a disaster.

Now will you just admit that was simply hyperbole so we can move on?

I wonder what the cancer mortality rate is for people in this country without insurance?

Women have been having children for, oh, I don’t know, as long as humans have been around, why do they need to go to the doctor so much? I know alot of women who go to midwives and turn out a ok. I’ve known two women who went to the doctor like they were supposed to and they died - I’ve known three children whose mothers went to the doctor like they were supposed to and guess what? They died. To be the richest country in the world - our infant mortality rate is atrocious and we should be ashamed.

Your imperical evidence is simply hyperbole - it is exagerrated stories used to create sympathy for opposition for a cause you don’t believe in.

I don’t know too much about the British model, but I do know a little about the German model. In Germany, every citizen is provided with basic healthcare. Individual citizens are given the choice to pay for additional insurance (which some are provided with through their job) if they choose which provides them with better coverage.

The point is, that ALL citizens are provided for with some kind of BASIC healthcare and they don’t have to worry about the COST of BASIC healthcare if they don’t have private insurance- are their taxes higher? You bet. Do Germans complain about it? You bet. Germans complain about everything. Do they want to change it? No way.

Has it destroyed their economy? They are number three - don’t think so.

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I prefer Karol to Karl. And “religion” is one thing, but as Simone Weil observed, “Christianity is preeminently a religion of slaves.”

By Copyleft

March 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Good speech from Obama. Yet another classy move that will have the America-haters (on both right AND left, getalife I’m looking at you) screaming in outrage.

By Truthman

March 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Well, it’s Women’s History Month here and we’re about to have our Luncheon.

See y’all after my afternoon nosh!

By Truthman

March 18, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Glenn,

Like it, but I ascribe that observation to ALL religions.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

IThN 11:35

Thanks for the link so quickly. I watched it live. While it will not satisfy everybody (which is impossible) I thought it a strong, thoughtful, carefully reasoned, illuminating speech.

For those who haven’t been following the political process but who tuned in to see the response to all the charges - I do think Sen Obama picked up some more supporters.

By Political Foreskin

March 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

I have never heard a satisfactory sermon about Christ. Not one man has ever understood the gospels, or the crucifixion.

Forget your souls. Christ didn’t have his soul scouraged or nailed to the cross.

Man was saved by the action against christ’s flesh.

Take care of each other, and let god figure out what to do with your souls.

By Jesus

March 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Obama’s speech was brilliant. It was brilliantly delivered and written. He can communicate brilliantly when scripted - a criticism often hurled at Ronald Reagan. It was invalid vis-a-vis Mr. Reagan, and time will tell if it is an invalid criticism of Mr. Obama. However, he failed to disown this man. That really is necessary. The comparison to his grandmother I thought to be disingenuous at best. Many people do disown parents and grandparents when views and actions become insupportable. I have an aunt and an uncle who I and the rest of my family have ‘kicked to the curb’ because they have become pond scum.

However, Mr. Obama did himself a whole lot of good politically today. He bought himself some time and he probably stopped his slide. Nevertheless, we will see if his radical political views stand the test of a long general election campaign. Right now his ‘most liberal in the Senate’ record has gone largely unchallenged in the Democratic primaries. A few in talk radio and on editorial pages have brought up these views, but the general media have not taken out their proctoscopes yet. And they will, right or left. He also has not had any really tough press conferences. He cannot dodge the Sam Donaldsons of this world forever, neither can Hillary or McCain.

By the way political schmuck, I had no idea when I began blogging that you even existed. So much for namejacking. You sound like a spoiled brat in the sandbox protesting ‘but I was here first.’ Sorry to offend your juvenile sensabilities.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

That’s because all religions are basically the same thing - the players’ names are just different.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Glenn

Yikes! I guess my first inclination was not to look at Laura Bush and think “Patrick Swayze.”

Maybe if I’d imbibed in green beer…

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch - We provide basic healthcare for everyone in this country. That is bogus and you should know it. And yes, compared to the United States, the German economy is a mess. The unemployment rate is around 10%, and that does not include the chronically unemployed and those who are chronically on the dole. German basic healthcare is a joke and that is why under Helmut Kohl people were allowed to buy private insurance for BETTER coverage. You destroyed your own argument with that admission. I would also remind you that time and again, when people want the best health care, they do not run to these nations with state-controlled health systems, but they come to the United States of America where competition and entrepreneurship have enabled us to innovate and be productive. I made an appointment with my doctor this morning for next Monday. In the British or German model with their rationed basic systems I would have to wait up to six months. I could be dead by then. This is not hyperbole. It is you wishing to ignore the facts. Our system can be improved upon, but you are looking at the way we should choose NOT to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Paul

March 18, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch

The minister I refer to said “God is the brand name, churches are generic.”

Not your typical minister -

By Dubya

March 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Hero-card-carrying little McCain finishes up in Iraq & moves on elsewhere, vomiting forth the ignorance & arrogance of the Bush Doctrine. Speaking of “successes” that never were & never shall be. They & their moronic supporters (This blog.) are too inherently stupid to recall or even know that the Soviet Union poured more than 100,000 fine troops into Afghanistan, laid waste to the entire country, and left defeated and demoralized - and never recovered from it. Afghanistan & Pakistan today are enjoying a huge increase of new members of al Qaeda & the Taliban due to the hatred of us brought forth by our actions in Iraq & Afghanistan. Iraq had no “weapons of mass destruction” - they existed only in the sick, twisted, greedy mind of Bush & his fellow-criminals. On the other hand Pakistan today possesses more than 100 actual nuclear weapons - and, as always, the Bushfreaks support the wrong guy. God bluss Murcuh. Allah Akbar!

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch - please let me clarify. I should have said that your hyperbolic assertion that we do not provide healthcare for everyone is bogus. By the way, it helps to know what you are talking about when making assertions. I have friends in Europe who have never been to America who think that people are dying of disease in the streets because even ERs won’t admit them. I asked Dutch fellow if he was referring to the United States of America or the United States of Brazil or Mexico. He honestly did not know the difference. He thought that it was all basically the same. This fellow is a graduate of the University of Utrecht! So much for the vaunted European higher education system!

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dubya - I see that it is okay to mock a hero when that hero is an opponent and a laud one when one supports that hero. I guess that is why you were so offended when Kerry was swift-boated and you probably could go on for hours about the heroism of John F. Kennedy, Sr. However, when Billy Boy was running you were probably the most vocal among those who declared that military service and heroism did not matter and were bogus anyway. Please make up your mind. You are a hypocrite and it doesn’t wear well on anyone. Even another hypocrite hates a hypocrite. Hypocritical, isn’t it?

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Bosch, one religion is the antireligion, Christianity.

Truthman, are you sure you understand what Weil meant by that?

PoFo, because they are so rare I doubt that you ever will hear such a sermon, alas, unless you enjoy listening to J.S. Bach. But you can read good ones. Luther’s, for example, or those published ones of the 20th Century Scotsman James S. Stewart. (I’m partial to Edwards, but then de gustibus…)

By Greg

March 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Headcase: You are certainly that. You know nothing, absolutely nothing of what you speak. Your knowledge of medical treatment and availability in this world and this country is nil. Your devoted blindness to your cause requires you to come here and puke up lie after lie. Someone here might believe your falsehoods, and that would be tragic for them. I won’t waste any more words on you. Cancer? Survivor? Your experience ends where mine begins. Not interested in your malignant mutterings. You might wanta watch that mouth of yours - you are playing ugly games with the wrong subject matter.

By Political Observer

March 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Dubya - your arguments could be taken right out of the book of some other famous statesmen and anti-war, isolationist heros. Let’s see, Neville Chamberlain, Stanley Baldwin, Daladier, Leon Blum, Senator Borah (‘If only I could have talked to Hitler, this war could have been avoided.’)and Charles Lindburgh. You would have had us disarm during the Cold War and just surrender to the Soviet Union. I am sure that you believed their system superior anyway.

You remind me of a teacher I had who made the completely fantastic statement that at least if the whole world were communist we would have peace because no one would be competing with anyone else! I guess freedom is just too much of a responsibility for some people.

I must close in asking, should we follow the Russian example and fail, or should we we perservere and PREVAIL as we did during the dark days of two World Wars?

By Hatemonger

March 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

GOpher Think, Your rehtoric and propaganda are about as factual as Obama saying he does not agree with his pastor. So we have other idiots trying to make cases for other situations, hey dumba55e5 none of them were running for president. Gopher Think, Republicans have done a much better job at the economy then your Democraps, so please shut up with your false numbers and stories like you have some kind of educational background to discuss it. Obama’s prrof is in Ill. a highly taxed state with high unemployment and murder rates. No experience = No Change.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

When did I say we do not provide healthcare for our citizens? I did not make such a claim. Before you clarify MY hyperbolic statement, you should look to see if one, was indeed, made (hint - it wasn’t).

Geez, I get so tired of repeating myself with you - I know that any citizen of the United States (and hell, anyone for that matter) can walk into an emergency room and receive treatment.

If you have a condition where you could die in five weeks while waiting on a doctor, I think I’d just go to the emergency room, or a walk in clinic.

Again, can you just admit your stories are an exagerration told to drum up sympathy for a cause you don’t believe in?

It’s the COST Mr. Headcase. In case you did not notice earlier, I put that in capital letters for emphasis, but I guess you didn’t see that.

I’m not talking about German unemployment rates - did we switch to that now? I thought we were talking about European healthcare systems, which, as I said, I only know about one with some certainty.

Did I say the German economy was perfect? Hell no, I didn’t, but it is number three in the world. Not bad.

Does it have problems? Yes! All economies have problems.

Can you stick to the subject at hand?

Would you like to switch topics to the German economy? The German unemployment rate? Helmut Kohl? Recipe debates among Germans for preparing sauerkraut properly? The 2006 World Cup (warning you, I know a little about this subject)? Knut, the adorable polar bear in the Berlin Zoo (who, by the way, has grown up and isn’t so adorable now)?

I witnessed people here in the United States ask my German friends if they have television where they live. Grown adults, really. Your point?

Oh, and German citizens also get free college tuition at public universitites - even graduate school.

Or would you mind answering the questions I asked earlier and stop changing the freaking subject?

By Steve

March 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Headcase.

Ohh yeah. McCain a hero?? Would you care to define “hero” for everyone??

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Woops, just saw a mistake - let me clarify something.

Okay, if I had a condition where if I didn’t see a doctor for SIX MONTHS (sorry, I thought you said five weeks earlier) - THEN, I would go to an emergency room, or a walk in clinic - and be treated by a physician - who will make a referral to your doctor indicating that you have a life threatening disease and need immediate attention.

Whew, sorry man. Glad I cleared that up.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

So, the same folks raging about the wingnuts buy into Obama’s radical bs.

Amazing.

If you want seperate chruch from State, there is only one candidate that does this.

Hillary Clinton does have a preacher screaming God damn America or one that wants to destroy Islam.

Get real people.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

McBush on the Economy: The Same Old Thing

By Mel

March 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Just an aside here. bush’s NIH budget for 2007 was $28.5B. That’s the total for ALL medical research. 2 months’ listed expenses (Gawd only knows what it really is.) in Iraq. A pittance. Great American medical progress: Cure rate for pancreatic cancer in 1955 was 0.0%. Cure rate for pancreatic cancer in 2007 was 0.0%. Swell.

By Unity

March 18, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Do you think Sen. Barack Obama successfully tackled the issue of race in his speech? * 43168 responses

Yes. He answered the tough questions and wasn’t afraid to be honest. 67%

No. He didn’t ease my concerns about the divisive comments of his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. 26%

I don’t know. I need more time to review the points of his speech. 7.3%

Do you think the country is ready for a black president? * 42498 responses

Yes. Obama proved he is ready to lead and bridge the racial divide. 66%

No. The underlying racial issues in this country have yet to be resolved. 20%

I don’t know. I want to see how this speech is received by both black and white voters. 14%

By AJC Management

March 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Truthmoron March 18, 2008 10:54 AM However, ALL RELIGION SHOULD BE LEFT AT THE COURTHOUSE/STATEHOUSE/WHITE HOUSE DOOR AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER!! As my Hero, Helen Thomas, made Bush confess during his ridiculous “faith-based initiative,” we are a “SECULAR GOVERNMENT.”}}}}

Uh, Obambi:

{{{{The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor…and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.}}}}

Using the government to do God’s “work,” eh?

This should be like the deal breaker for you heathen pinkos, after all, it sounds like he loves the One whom you hate.

Bwa.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch - I did not change the subject, you brought it up. And you are the one who is exaggerating concerning too many things. The cost is high in part because of the reforms made which are leading to the eventual socialization of all medical care. I would rather pay a higher cost than have health care rationing.

You also asked how Germany is suffering because of this program (and I might add too many others like it). I answered the question. Productivity in Europe lags far behind that of the United States. Despite the CRAP you hear on the Communist and Nazi Network, the Communist Broadcasting System, the Nazi Broadcasting Company and the Arab Broadcasting Company on the evening newscasts and read in the New York/Havanna Times, the productivity of the American worker far outstrips that of his European or even Japanese counterparts. We lead all other developed nations in disposable income. Our public/PRIVATE mix of higher education is the BEST in the world. We train the finest doctors and scholars in the history of this planet. Every year the overwhelming majority of Nobel Prizes in the sciences go to Americans, almost all trained in American universities. The fact that students pay for their education in this country is something to be proud of. They and their families earn it. We do have scholarships based on merit, but that is also a matter of competition. Some European universities are fine institutions. However, I would put any of the top private American schools up against them and they would win. Emory trumps Oxford or the Sorbonne any time for quality of education. These institutions could not even begin to compete with Stanford or Harvard. State owned and paid for is just not necessarily better. State institutions in this country are good precisely because there is competition and many choose private institutions even though they are paying through the nose because they are BETTER. Your argument that the state can do it better and keep the price down in health care goes back to all of this. Private simply is better because of competition. Monopolies, state or private, just don’t care as much about the consumer as businesses which must compete.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Steve,

Careful. Mr. Headcase’s definitions are pretty far fetched.

Paul,

HUH? Which minister? I hope you appreciate this - you’re a Harry Potter fan right?:

Last night - this show I watched about Jesus on the Discovery Channel - they were discussing possible theories about the resurrection (body stolen, dogs ate it - gross). One scholar was interviewed and said that it is possible that the Roman Centurion who gave Jesus the vinegar right before he died could have laced it with, get this, MANDRAKE solution. I almost fell off the couch.

Apparently, mandrakes are real - I thought they were weird root creatures that if you heard their scream would cause you instanteous death - you know, from some fantasy book about children wizards and witches.

But apparently, Roman soldiers used mandrake roots for anesthesia and it could cause a person to appear dead, like you are when put to sleep.

I got a real laugh out of that. I mean, hell, I guess anything is POSSIBLE.

I know that Rowling uses real herbs, etc. in her books, but I’d never heard of a mandrake before. I was sitting in a hospital room the other day and looked over and saw in a cabinet a BEZOAR and thought to myself “oh my God, is that a stone from the stomach of a goat that can remedy most poisonings?” It wasn’t quite that, but it was a bezoar.

Glenn,

In my opinion, Jesus’ message was about radical change of the Jewish religion (a liberal, mind you) and that God exists for everyone, that NO ONE is excluded,but rests within yourself - thus making him the son of God (along with everyone else).

He was executed for it. He challenged the Jewish aristocracy which advocated that only they can forgive sin as sort of God’s proxies. Jesus p** them off when he gave that power to everyone - they didn’t need the priests. Good message that has given people hope for 2000 years.

By mm

March 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Zell, please take your meds and go back to bed.

Headcase, I challenge you again to back up your BS with facts. Facts require a source, something you don’t seem capable of providing.

Supply side (trickle down) economics debunked. Headcase is a liar or moron.

See how easy it is to present facts to backup my claims (and to dispute yours).

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Bosch - you missed the entire point of the illustration. The person who is put off for six months does not have the option in a socialized system to walk into the emergency room and get referred to a physician. He is stuck with that appointment. That is why so many in Canada have been buying insurance in America and coming here for health care. They don’t want to wait six months for ‘elective’ surgeries such as heart-by pass or a diagnostic colonoscopy when cancer is suspected. Such a thing would be called malpractice in the United States. In Canada and most of western Europe, that is called the standard of care.

By Unity

March 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Funny how some heathens like to call others heathens. Difference is, they are church going heathens who don’t know their heathens,aka duh.

By Gary

March 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Ahhh, Bosch. You attempt to establish a rational, reasonable conversation with Mr. Headcase, an inhabitant of the Moron Belt. Some things are truly…impossible.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

“I would rather pay a higher cost than have health care rationing”

Really? Wow, you must be one rich dude.

“Communist and Nazi Network, the Communist Broadcasting System, the Nazi Broadcasting Company and the Arab Broadcasting Company on the evening newscasts and read in the New York/Havanna Times”

I’m sorry, I’ve never heard of those news outlets.

“We lead all other developed nations in disposable income”

But it’s getting smaller and smaller. And we don’t get to go on vacation as much as the Europeans.

I guess you missed Glenn and my conversation yesterday about how the American work machine and productivity rate is killing us all.

You’d rather pay higher prices for health care? Well, I’d rather have more vacation time, and not be considered a loser if I work less than 60 hours a week.

“Your argument that the state can do it better and keep the price down in health care goes back to all of this”

My argument? Honestly, Mr. Headcase, you just make sh!t up! Sigh, I really get tired of you putting words in my mouth, and making inaccurate assumptions about me.

“You also asked how Germany is suffering because of this program”

I did? No I did not.

Can you answer the questions I asked earlier? Any data to back up those numbers? Any proof that God’s a man?

Come on, just one? One little answer? Or are you going to change the subject again?

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

mm - please name your source as my server will not allow me to access that site. However, I would still like you to answer my questions - why did we prosper so much when we lowered taxes in the 1980s? We went from a top marginal rate of 70% down to one of 28% and the economy boomed and revenues to the government doubled. Those are undisputable facts. The Republicans learned their lessons about raising taxes after several hard knocks (McKinley Tariff, Hawley-Smoot) which caused economic slowdowns or collapses. These misadventures in economics were actually lauded at the time as the ticket to save the U.S. from cheap foreign competition and save American jobs!!! Both times we sank into disastrous depressions. A huge tax hike today will do the same. This time the Democrats will suffer politically for such a huge error in basic judgment. Supply Side (another term for free enterprise)does work. Socialism does not.

By Devastator

March 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

I find it quite disturbing that some of you heartless turds are not satisfied with Obama’s rejection and condemnation of Rev. Wright’s comments.

What do you want? For Obama to say “I don’t like him. He’s a bad man!” None of you hypocrites would say such a thing about your pastor because you didn’t agree with something he said. Wright wasn’t just some guy to Obama as he is to you, he was his pastor for crying out loud.

Get a grip and find something else to nickpick about!

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Follow the logic of the panic stricken Federal Reserve

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Bosch - I assume that because you are advocating universal health care that you must believe that the state can provide services at a lower cost and more efficiently. I don’t think that is a great leap. You did specifically ask me how Germany is suffering from its one hundred plus years experiment with the welfare state.

Americans don’t have to work 60 hours a week. Obviously you and I don’t. We do have choices. In too many European economies people don’t even have the option to work more and earn more. The great irony is that I have had Europeans tell me that Americans work too hard and then turn around and say - “You Americans are too rich.” Well, one thing usually begats the other. I am not putting words in your mouth. I am answering your questions. I do give specifics and you are welcome to do a little research on your own. If you think that these systems are so wonderful, please go live there. I have done it. I know of that which I speak because I have lived it. You probably have not, but I will not make that assumption. I just know I would much rather go to an American doctor and be in American hospital in almost any community rather than any in Europe.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Okay, off to a funeral - my buddy finally mixed the drugs and alcohol a little too much. Shame.

Anywho,

Gary,

It’s my duty as a U.S. citizen - and it’s fun.

Mr. Headcase,

Just so you know, and to make sure I wasn’t overstepping my boundaries a little, I copied and pasted your remarks about the German system to one of my friends -

He just emailed me back - I can’t post exactly what he said, but he did mention that the last part of your name was about the only thing you’ve gotten right. Sorry dude.

Later.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Sorry, I just saw this:

“You did specifically ask me how Germany is suffering from its one hundred plus years experiment with the welfare state”

Are you sure we are on the same blog? Because, again, no, I didn’t ask you that.

You see, I know the economic problems facing Germany - I know them from actual Germans, whom I talk to on a regular basis. I don’t need inaccurate commentary from a wannabe intellectual with reading comprehension problems.

Later!

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

And don’t ever tell me what I believe. You haven’t a clue.

By Copyleft

March 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

AJCManagement: “This should be like the deal breaker for you heathen pinkos, after all, it sounds like he loves the One whom you hate.”

You keep confusing yourself with Jesus, Andy. We don’t hate God—just some of his crazed, raving loonie followers.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Bosch

The minister is a friend I’ve referred to here a few times. I like his outlook. Refreshing.

Rowling had quite a background of knowledge when she began writing. She was effective in part because she wove the natural in with the supernatural. Also had references to obscure things like bezoars which, in here stories, mirrored what people thought eons ago.

Interesting about the herbs. Were our first medicines. When companies first produced medicines many synthesized the compounds. Now many want to stop sale of herbal treatments as they’re ‘dangerous.’

Money and power - there it is again.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Bosch you still have not specifically refuted one thing that I have said. And if you don’t tell me what you believe, I have to make certain assumptions. When you defend a socialist system, I have to make certain logical assumptions that you believe that state run institutions work just fine. Sorry for using logic, I know most liberals don’t know abou that.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Bosch - I too have German friends and am well aware of the economic problems in Germany, and they are not caused by too little government regulation and ownership of means of production!

By Copyleft

March 18, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

And when Headcase continues to make inane assumptions in between trading childish insults, I have to logically ASSUME he’s a reactionary moron.

Sorry about logic backfiring on you, Headcase. AGAIN.

By mm

March 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Headcase,

Try

http://members.tripod.com/rationalrevolution0/war/trickle_down.htm

I’m not a member of any websites, so I don’t know why you can’t access it. I found this via googling ‘trickle down economics’.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Obama’s speech was nothing but playing the race card when his religion was the issue. He praised his radical spiritual adviser and gullible Americans bought it. Amazing.

Clinton is the only one who will seperate church from State.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Former AUSA: Disbanding LA Public Corruption Unit Sends Message

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

copyleft - please cite one childish insult coming from my keyboard. I don’t recall. I do recall quite a few childish incomes in your little blurbs. I don’t recall calling anyone stupid, a moron or any other pejorative. You so it all time, so it is rather childish of you to cast aspersions when NONE have been cast your way, at least not any by me. Now go home and play.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

copyleft - sorry for the typo - it should have read childish insults not childish incomes.

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

mm - As I tried to explain, certain sites are blocked by my server and there is nothing I can do about it. I will make not of the site and try to access it from another computer later. However, I do doubt the validity of what you are saying as I have heard it all of my life and it is usually spouted by people who have lived their lives believing that the Soviet Union was a noble experiment and that Stalin was doing whatever he had to do to bring Russia into the modern world (a la Lillian Hellman). Supply Side, by the way, is not trickle down. If you believe that, then you are being quite simplistic. It is much more complicated than that. But the free market is quite complicated, that is why so few people really understand economics.

By GodHatesTrash

March 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Luckovich is right, the pResident of the United States is a filthy mangy stupid mutt that s-hits on everything and rolls around in it.

He’s trash, elected by trash.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

BREAKING: New Scandal Rocks Obama Campaign

By Kindergarten Teacher

March 18, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

GodHatesTrash - gee, you must be a really pleasant person to be around with lots of friends with diverse views and opinions. You must be the life of the party. You are so broad minded and love people so much, after all, you are a ‘liberal’, a person who is generous to a fault and tolerant of all others. You show it by calling 51% of the American people ‘trash’ - i.e. less than human. I recall someone with the initials A.H. who did that quite frequently.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

IThN 3:02

LOL! Does this guy write for Saturday Night Live?

This, on the other hand, strikes me as just plain sad. Talk about “oooh, oooh, me, me, limelight, limelight!”

Link: Who are those people with Hillary???? or - do you know the way back to Santa fe?

By luckovichisaheadcase

March 18, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

IT(H)N - Let me guess, you are voting for Obama and the Democraticunderground and moveon.org have endorsed Obama, at least tacitly. Please let me know what will happen if Billary is able to steal the nomination from Obama.

By the way, I do think he has it in the bag, if the game is played fairly, but as we Republicans warned you for eight years, they don’t ever play fair. They make and break the rules as it suits them. As much as I disagree with Obama, he isn’t even close to being in their league when it comes to mendacity and perfidity.

By Midori

March 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

they’re not just trash KT - They are moronic, vicious, vacuous filth as well.

By The POPE

March 18, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

getalife - I believe in sepAration of church and state, but sepEration I don’t understand.

By mm

March 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Headcase,

Well, we are at a stalemate. I have heard the trickle down argument from the wingnuts and have seen with my own eyes that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

I agree that the 50 - 70 percent tax rate in the 70’s was a bit much for anyone to deal with. But if you cut taxes for one sector, you need to have an offset, otherwise you create a budget deficit. And we all now see the results of 7 years of Bush’s budget deficit.

Military spending is not the answer. Bombs and bullets do not create permanent jobs. Once we are no longer in war, the bombs and bullets become inventory. We know what excess inventory does to cash flow.

Furthermore, if you allow corporations to run amok without oversight, you end up with the Exxon’s of the world p*ssing on the public while raking in record profits.

By Kindergarten Teacher

March 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Midori - don’t you have a bund meeting you need to be attending? I am finding it amusing that you are so thin skinned when people call your views into question, but all you do is insult people. Not that you are alone in this. This practice seems to be endemic to the liberals on this blog. You must be very popular.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Character du Jour: Kindergarten Teacher

By mm

March 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

KT,

Please read the rightwing rants of AJC Management, Headcase, and the ever popular Zell for some truly enlightening insults.

Looks like you are as blind as the rest of the wingnuts.

By mm

March 18, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

ITN,

Too funny. Cybil would be proud of some of these people.

By Midori

March 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

KT is certainly OT, if nothing else.

All the rabid wingnuts show up at around the same time, to insult, bleat, howl and snarl about people being “unkind”, while they are the very epitome of scum.

and don’t you have a bloodletting to oversee?

don’t let that stone miss your house and hit you instead.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Did you like the way that Barack threw his own grandmother under the bus?

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Hey the fowl mouthed parrot character is back.

The Obama speech boiled down.

{{{{Damn straight, Rev. Wright is angry. That’s how I wound up at his church. That’s why I stay there. I’m mad too, I just control it better. Now let’s get [on with] electing me president so we can all feel good.}}}}

By GodHatesTrash

March 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

McCain is a piece of s-hit just like w. Pure white trash.

Obama will flush this fool down the toilet for good and we can clean all the s-hit out of the white house and take out the trash.

By Jeff Gannon

March 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Back when I used to spend all my free time at the White House, I used to have to walk the President. He’d get naked, get in his little collar with the leash, and walk around on all fours, usually sniffing the other ‘doggies’ butts, Karl Rove, Scottie McClellan, and Scooter Libby. Often times, Dick Cheney would play with us too. It was pretty funny watching them all try to eat out of a dog dish and sniffing each others’ poop.

Real dogs like to lick themselves, but these guys couldn’t do that, so they licked each other.

Fun times.

By mslee50

March 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Your rant against Obama is pure fiction. There is a divide between blacks and whites and both sides have perpetuated it. But My sons were pulled over routinely for DWB [driving while black] were yours? My sons have good educations and great jobs and white women act afraid of them. I figure you come from the planet Nascar. Your hatred shines through.Until we admit we have predujice for no other reason than we have been taught it with mothers milk we cannot go forward.

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

mm

you got it dude.

their debate team is “an army of one”

By AJC Management

March 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Ahhh, yes, the liberals hating on homosexuals:

{{{{By Jeff Gannon March 18, 2008 4:02 PM He’d get naked, get in his little collar with the leash, and walk around on all fours, usually sniffing the other ‘doggies’ butts, Karl Rove, Scottie McClellan, and Scooter Libby.}}}}

It’s just so….lib like.

They hate everybody.

~~~~~

{{{{By Copyleft March 18, 2008 1:39 PM You keep confusing yourself with Jesus, Andy. We don’t hate God—just some of his crazed, raving loonie followers.}}}}

Dimwit: This may come as a surprise but I was answering a question about “separation of Church and state,” of which Obambi apparently has no use for.

How does this make me comparing myself to Jesus?

Are you stoned or what?

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

To all of you who claim McCain was wrong today about Iran vis a vis training Al Qaeda in Iraq, he was not wrong on that point:

The decision to allow Al Qaeda fighters to train in Iran was made by President Ahmadinejad as part of his policy of attempting to forge closer links with Mr. bin Laden’s organization.

{{{The training of Al Qaeda operatives is part of a wider Iranian ambition: to take control of the Al Qaeda terror network by encouraging it to promote officials known to be friendly to Tehran.

Al Qaeda fighters stay at guest houses on the outskirts of Tehran used by the Revolutionary Guards for conducting training in sophisticated terror techniques. Some of the training is carried out by the guards’ elite Quds (Jerusalem) force, their main paramilitary unit. Apart from standard training in firearms and combat drill, the fighters all learn how to prepare car bombs.}}}

Say you’re sorry Joe.

By m

March 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

The reason you all are gettin’ frothy mouthed about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is that much of what he says is dead on. His take on Jesus as the “savior” of the marginalized is much more historically accurate than your make believe image of Jesus as the gentile preserver of the status quo.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

March 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

-=-

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

(and)

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” (Thomas Jefferson)

-=-

And even more!

-=-

“In its efforts to keep irresponsible bankers on Wall Street afloat, the Federal Reserve is spurring inflation, crippling the dollar and cutting into retirees’ incomes. And mortgages and car loans won’t get any cheaper,” says MSN Money’s Jon Markman.

-=-

Yes — Dubya and the crony boy have destroyed America’

Now will someone tell these idiots once and for all —

1) Trickle Down Economics do not work!

2) Supply Side Economics do not work!

3) Constantly cutting the interest rate - increase inflation, devaluates the dollar and ruins peoples lives in the long run!

By Jeff Gannon

March 18, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

I never said the President was gay. He just likes to let his hair down every once in awhile, that’s all. Licking a few other guys’ nut sack a few times a month doesn’t make you gay, does it?

I’ve hung around with a lot of Republican guys for years, and this is pretty run of the mill normal behavior for them. I mean, I can see Sonny Perdue and Glenn Richardson doing the same sort of thing, can’t you?

They probably get nekkid in a big mud puddle and play “here piggy piggy piggy.”

By IN THE (Hussein) NEWS

March 18, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Bush’s Financial Katrina

By Midori

March 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

McCain is a senile old coot.

He makes a dead Reagan look “animated”.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Eliminate Islam vs God damn America.

Get your radical religion out of politics. There is blood all over it.

Our country has lost its freaking mind with these religious kooks.

Whacked out on prescription drugs.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Has his grandmother passed away? Maybe that’s why he could call her a bigot and try to achieve some moral equivalence. I have no doubt that the usual moonbat(ic)s® around here will tout the speech as something of great historical significance because they lack the cognitive ability to see that all he did was dissemble and to some extent try to blackmail anyone that pursues his past by calling them racists. (Apparently he also doesn’t know the difference between a racist and a bigot)

All he really did was play the race card once again and as Allahpundit put it, move the goalposts.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) Loves Dikkk Cheney

March 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

With or without the Cheney…

Mr. Gannon is right. Go ahead, call me a f-ag.

I’m not. I’m whatever it is Larry Craig is - who knows what that is, but he says he’s not gay.

And neither am I. But go ahead, call me a f-ag.

I kinda like it - pull my hair too.

By getalife

March 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yup.

Clinton is the only one without a radical kook religious adviser and did not play the race card like President Clinton said.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Has his grandmother passed away?}}}

I thought she had, but she is alive and living in Hawaii. I looked up her bio and discovered that his Kenyan grandfather was a racist, but for some reason we didn’t hear about that today.

Both Dunhams were upset when their daughter Ann married Barack Obama Senior, partcularly after receiving a long, angry letter from the graduate student’s father in Kenya who “didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.”

Barry has a little more splainin’ to do.

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Like I sed in January, I feel sorry for the now retiring teachers of the Old New Left. For decades they took a shotgun approach to training up bright young Neo-Marxists in the fond hope that one of them might one day become President, and now one of them is en route there, but he’s running as a Democrat. That’s just got to mess with their heads big time. Goes around, comes around.

By Midori

March 18, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

I see the Stalker missed me.

How in the world did you get along with out me?

I’ve been visiting, and saw how you constantly stalked others .

Guess it just wasn’t the same, eh?

Don’t you feel really bad about yourself and the lengths you go to ‘MAKE’ people engage in conversation with you?

Tsk.

Tsk.

Tsk.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I also thought the sudden change in speech pattern was quite notable from Obama today.

getalife,

The problem with Obama isn’t religion it’s judgment. He wants us to elect him for his judgment and he doesn’t seem to have much of it.

If anyone doubts that, google Obama+Rezko+judgment. Here, I’ll save you a little time since I’m heading out to get in 5 miles.

{{{{Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko involved repeated lapses of judgment.}}}}

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

RW,

In looking for info on Barack’s grandmother, I discovered that memories of his childhood in Hawaii differ considerably from those who knew him.

By Likkkoduh (MkkkKKKain) is Bush's Burka Boy

March 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

His butt boy too.

RW, you’re like me - whenever I think of good judgment, I always think of Dubya.

But then again, you’re like me - thinking ain’t our strong suit…

Hey, we’re good at what we’re good at though, right girlfriend?

;>~~~~

XOX

Andi

By Midori

March 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Stalking and begging people are his things, Lik.

Also using complete lunacy, the lamest comparisons and non issues in order to foster a “debate”

By GodHatesTrash

March 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Kindergarden Teacher, it looks like you are teaching your intellectual equals. You might try special ed with @@.

Don’t worry - we’ll never meet. I don’t party with redneck morons.

Trash.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Okay, got ya on the minister. I like talking to ministers/priests/preachers/ rectors/shamans choose your title. The non-fundamentalist kind will surprise you -

So, since it’s Holy Week, and all, the resurrection, does it matter? Couldn’t Christianity be what it is without it?

I just got back from my friend’s funeral. So, I’ve had some time to ponder. I’m also drinking some Irish Whiskey in his honor - believe me, he’d appreciate it.

By Bosch

March 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

About Obama:

I’ve had a chance to watch part of his speech and I take that as I said earlier -

we all have crazy relatives who say crazy sh!t we don’t believe -

it doesn’t mean we stop loving them.

If I ever ran for President, my family members and their views would doom me in about a minute.

My mother said the other day that some stupid Mexican was suing one of her friends. I happened to know which Mexican was suing her friend. It was the parents of a child who slid down a slide at a place where her friend owned in which a metal pole was sticking out of the slide - the pole went up through his colon and this child now has a colonoscopy bag - one which the other Bosch changes daily at school.

She didn’t know that part. She back paddled like I’ve never seen. My mother means well, but sometimes…..

The man who baptized my kids? Nice man, but he was a mediocre priest who gave mediocre sermons - and I didn’t go to church a whole lot during that time. He’s since retired, I have a new priest, whom I have tremendous respect for, and he’s changed my life. Religion is a weird thing.

It’s just political BS.

By GodHatesTrash

March 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

I really like Jeff Gannon.

Know everything there is to know about the man, the way he licks nut sacks is my favorite, but I got all of it memorized.

Spent some time with him up in New Jersey with governor McCreevey and his wife, she was $3100 an hour, $5500 if you wanted her to strap one on, but that was O.K. cause Eliot picked up the tab.

That woman wore my as-s out.

Obama called today said he wanted me to change and come around to his side, I said great, I’ll put on a diaper. He said, “no, no, I’m talking about change like my Spiritual Adviser preaches, if I could only remember what that was, I was there just last Sunday, but I don’t recall what the man said.”

I told him it that is was probably some sermon about hating on Fa-gs, cause that’s what we demokrats do when we get together alone, and it ain’t like he would have been hating on blacks, like we do when you ain’t around.

I don’t know why homeboy hung up on me.

By Ralph

March 18, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

Headcase - Nothing whatever “hypocritical” about Dubya’s remarks this morning. Just speaks the truth and lays it out there. You “little wee-wee” guys can’t handle that. You might want to update your grandmom’s old paper dictionary and try to learn the definition of words.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Compare and contrast](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4)

Buy Danish,

The overly sensitive blog monitor at the AJC censored your link. The story you linked at Hot Air seems to show that Barry has had a long held tendency to manufacture and remanufacture his past. Thanks!

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Oops!

Compare and contrast

By AmVet

March 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

{Weak and lame, cartoon boy, weak and lame.}

Unlike those Clinton cartoons for days on end, eh Curly? What next? Canceling your subscription?

I wonder if any other major city’s newspaper blog, in this entire country, suffers an iniital daily diarrhea of “conservative” ignorance as their daily, most unappetizing aperitif?

But, there was a great letter to the editor today. Someone from the ultra-liberal bastion of Locust Grove commented on Bernie Marcus opening his very large wallet to helping wounded veterans, while the HD co-founder called the hero of the Texas ANG’s cuts in VA funding of those wounded soldiers “disgraceful and it is not something that we should tolerate in this country”.

He also alluded to the increased fees and co-pays for vets. But hey! Why should you care? You’re “supporting the troops” with a yellow ribbon bumper sticker! (and voting for a scumbag like Dick Cheney twice).

By AmVet

March 18, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about you folks, but I am very much looking forward to the Walmart/Beijing Summer Games.

Keeping with the latest tradition of introducing new sports, there are going to be several new non-medal exhibitions - Tibetan target practice, the Dalai lama dash and the Human Rights crackdown.

When asked for comments, King George II said, “Well fool me once, shame on you.” He added, “Other than cheer leading, I’m no expert on sports, but even still it’s got to a lot like when Hitler was cheering on Jesse Owens winning all of those medals.”

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks and you’re welcome! I noticed this tendency to fictionalize his bio awhile ago and compared him to James Frey, since both have been Oprah-ized.

Here is a NYT article which reveals more bio embellishing, this time about his drug use.

One thing his rewrites seem to have in common is his attempt to be seen as authentically black.

By Paul

March 18, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Bosch 5:26

That’s one of the great things about Christianity - it can embrace everyone from literalist fundamentalists to everything symbolic types. It’s the groups who have trouble with the embracing part.

I too, went off to a funeral this afternoon. Got there, found out it’s tomorrow. Gonna have to pay more attention to these date thingies. So another trip tomorrow. Too many funerals lately.

Hey AmVet,

Heard a quote the other night - Kinky Friedman on BOR. Was quoting Emily Dickinson and Gandhi. Thought of you. In answer to a question he replied “as Gandhi said to his barber, I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Thought you’d appreciate that.

getalife - stopped by a favorite haunt on the way back - thought it a good day to try the 42 Below you recommended. It’s in the freezer.

Midori - Buy Danish - welcome back!

Just in general, I notice no one’s raised some of the more salient points in Sen Obama’s speech. Such as where he said Rev Wright erred in portraying the past as if it is the present, whereas great progress has been made, reflecting the promise of America and our Founding Fathers that we will all work to perfect our Union.

It’s sentiments such as that that will sway people. The guy’s human - just like everyone else, he’s said, done, thought things he’d likely wished he hadn’t. He’s associated with people with flaws. He’s in a situation now where it will all be laid bare and personality and personal issues will take center stage (same with Hillary and McCain).

But concentrating on such things generally will not be a convincing reason for people to vote for someone else, when they are already fed up with politics as usual.

By AJC Management

March 18, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{Obama is right about one thing: We are losing yet another opportunity to talk honestly about race, to hold all Americans to the same standards of public ethics and morality, and to emphasize that no one gets a pass peddling vulgar racism, or enabling it by failing to disassociate himself from its source — not Rev. Wright, not even the eloquent, but now vapid, Barack Obama.}}}}

Excuses, lies and whining.

This is “change?”

By Glenn

March 18, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Bosch, without “Christ and Him crucified” and risen, do you think you ever would have heard of Rabbi Yeshua the Nazarene? Do you think that all His chosen disciples would have gone to their far-flung deaths, all but one of which was torturous, swearing that it was all true?

Without the Resurrection, the meaning of the Gospel could even be twisted into a radical narcissism, such as the one you espouse. When you ask what would Christ be without the empty tomb, look for the answer in your mirror.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

{{By Paul

March 18, 2008 6:46 PM}}

You’re not falling for those words of Obama’s are you?

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Don’t you find it just a tad disingenuous that after 20 years in this church Obama finally decided in the last 24 hours or so that Rev. Wright was talking about the way things were in past America and might be confusing it with the present? There was quite a large Amen chorus in that church including many youthful minds, yet Obama has never spoken out about that until today when he started seeing trouble ahead for his Presidential aspirations.

Frankly I’m surprised you aren’t using this sudden come to Jesus moment of his to tell us that it always comes back to money and power in politics.

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