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By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this
What a bunch of scumbags these liberals at the AJC are:
{{{{WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY JR.: 1925-2008: ——>Controversial,<——- endearing, unique-Urinal}}}}
Buckley was an advocate for traditional American culture, the way things were before it all became about self, a way of life that lasted for hundreds of years, this is “controversial?”
Murdering unborn children, civil rights for terrorists, men “marrying” other men, junk science in favor of common sense, nothing controversial here, eh?
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{{{{Civil rights leader John Lewis dropped his support for Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid Wednesday in favor of Barack Obama. Lewis, a Democratic congressman from Atlanta, is the most prominent black leader to defect from Clinton’s campaign in the face of near-unanimous black support for Obama in recent voting.}}}}
Bwa.
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Only in the Treason Times is a U.S. military base not considered to be part of the U.S:
{{{{McCain’s birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out. McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a navy officer, were stationed.}}}}
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{{{{“There were some objections from my colleague Adel Abdul-Mahdi on the provincial law, thus the presidency returned it to the parliament for reviewing,” al-Hashemi told the U.S.-financed Al-Hurra TV station.}}}}
Sounds like they are working out the details, don’t it?
Well, look at how the Urinal reports the same news:
{{{{Iraqi council rejects election plan. That decision, which necessitates reworking the measure, was a major setback to U.S.-backed efforts to promote national reconciliation.-Urinal}}}}
Disagreements on legislation are “major setbacks” now?
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this
Here’s another “bubble” that is getting burst:
{{{{THE LIST OF NEW critics of Hillary reads like a who’s who of liberal pundits. Their criticisms are varied and their tone ranges from the helpful suggestion of Jonathan Alter that she should exit the race in high style to Richard Cohen’s more blunt assessment: “Should Clinton come on strong? Should she go negative? Should she be upbeat and positive? Here’s my answer: Stop campaigning.”}}}}
{{{{And in words that could have been penned by any conservative blogger, Frank Rich wrote, “This is the candidate who keeps telling us she’s so competent that she’ll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin resume, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker resume is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid.”}}}}
Scratching of eyes, gnashing of teeth, hysterical screaming crying jags and there is a “vast right wing conspiracy” to be found.
Beautiful, ain’t it?
By Copyleft
February 28, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
It was pretty charitable of the AJC to describe Buckley as “controversial,” rather than the simpler and more accurate “wrong.”
Foreclosure on the bubble? LONG overdue! Wheeeee!
By @@
February 28, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
Life “floating” on a bubble.
(((“I’m in the demographic where everyone I know among my friends is in love with Obama… It’s kind of like being 13 and seeing Shawn Cassidy and we’re all just on board… So we’re not embarrassed when we get together. We just talk about how much we love Obama. … We know we’re being fooled, but we kind of like it. I can’t get off his ride, it’s too good.” —Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein)))
We know we’re being fooled, but we kind of like it??????
Okey Dokey! Whatever floats “a liberal’s” bubble.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
[Congressman Ron Paul slammed Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke during a House Financial Services Committee meeting today for following a policy of deliberately destroying the dollar and wiping out the American middle class.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
Stiglitz: war costs causing credit and housing crises. Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz told London’s Chatham House today that the Iraq war has so far cost the United States $3.3 trillion, and that those costs are the “hidden cause of the current credit crunch” and housing crisis. Stiglitz added that “[t]he money being spent on the war each week would be enough to wipe out illiteracy around the world” and “[j]ust a few days’ funding would be enough to provide health insurance for US children who were not covered.”
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this
* I’m worried: “Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned Congress that the nation is in for a period of sluggish business growth and sent a fresh signal Wednesday that interest rates will again be lowered to steady the teetering economy… Since Bernanke’s last such comprehensive assessment last summer, the housing slump has worsened, credit problems have intensified and the job market has deteriorated. Bernanke said that the confluence of these factors has turned people and businesses alike toward a more cautious attitude toward spending and investment. This, he said, has further weakened the economy.”
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
[* This hasn’t generated much attention, but it’s shaping up to be an interesting legislative fight: “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) signaled Wednesday that Democrats will not back down on their commitment to a controversial bankruptcy provision of their ‘housing stimulus’ package, even if it means the defeat of the measure…. ‘I have no expectation of reaching any kind of agreement with the White House,’ Reid said at a press conference, when asked about efforts to win support from President Bush. ‘So we’re going to do what we think is best for the country. If we get 67 votes, that’s great.’”…..* A little more background on this: “On the Hill, the controversy on this housing bill as focused entirely on the section that would change the bankruptcy code to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. But the administration finds a lot more wrong with the legislation. The White House ’strongly opposes’ giving $4 million to state and local governments to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes; it just ‘opposes’ increasing funding for the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation.”
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Iraqi leaders veto law Bush administration hailed as political breakthrough
””“Disagreements on legislation are “major setbacks” now?”“”“”“
Yep, benchmarks dude, benchmarks.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Watching Freedom’s Watch: How Your Money Flows From Vegas To John McCain
By Likkkoduh loves William F. Buckley
February 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
I loved him especially without the William, the B, and the -ley.
;>
A sneering priggish elitist poof - my kind of family values!
(Except I’m just a redneck gal.)
By Cdm
February 28, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
William F.Buckley: An elitist with a big ego, know-it-all, and mostly wrong.
Bubble forclosure: it is about time.
By Mike
February 28, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Bush needs to surround himself with a diversity of viewpoints, such as those found in the AJC newsroom ;)
BTW, Congress’s approval ratings have been lower than Bush’s for a year, yet Mikey has yet to do a cartoon about the Democrat Congress. Looks like it s Mikey and the rest of the rabid partisans at the AJC who are living in a bubble.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
McCain Rated As America’s Worst Senator For Children
By Likkkoduh hates Gay Marriage
February 28, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Hey, I’m a Republican. I’d rather sneak around airport mens rooms than marry another man.
You see, I’m not gay. I’m whatever it is Larry Craig is.
But go ahead - call me a f-aggot. I kinda like it.
Pull my hair.
By Shame
February 28, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
You know, you people here on the comment board are really, really out there, all of you.
Even as a liberal, I can appreciate the sense of decorum and genteel debate that Buckley made famous on Firing Line.
He was not a “poof”, but a gentleman, something rarely found in this area, to be sure.
While I rarely agreed with his views, I did admire his style and intellect. He also was responsible for cleaning up the conservative movement of isolationists, anti-semitics, and the John Birch society nuts.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Uh, the Problem Here, John … … is that you’re a Republican. And that fact alone will be your undoing.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Wind, Solar, Efficiency: McCain To Miss the Trifecta?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) challenged Republicans on Tuesday to get off their “dead asses” and start raising money for the National Republican Congressional Committee.
By Linhasxoc
February 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Um, IN THE NEWS, did you notice that everyone on your report listed as one of the best congressman is a Democrat, and everyone on the worst list is a Republican? Kind of suggests partisan bias, doesn’t it? (I mean, I know the Democrats are more often in favor of public schools than Republicans, but still).
By tiny bubbles
February 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
But Mr. Obama’s rhetoric on the subject may be just that, CTV News reported last night. Citing Canadian sources, the network said that a senior member of Mr. Obama’s campaign team called Canada’s U.S. ambassador, Michael Wilson, within the past month, warning him that Mr. Obama would be taking some “heavy swings” at NAFTA in the campaign.
“Don’t worry, … it’s just campaign rhetoric, … it’s not serious,” CTV reported the campaign official as saying.
in his whine.
NO-BAM-A!
By The Basic GOP Problem with Homosexuality
February 28, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
The fundamental issue Republicans have with homosexuality is that they find it disgusting, yet extremely arousing…
They need government intervention to protect themselves from their urges…
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
William F. Buckley: Bush Will Be Judged on “Failed” Iraq War
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
The Waning of the GOP By William F. Buckley Jr.
By w00t
February 28, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
Right… “junk science”… what has religion EVER given us other than the Dark Ages, crusades, death, violence, etc.
The bible or religion for that matter is not the “moral compass” of the world that you have made it out to be. The bible alone contains many references to pedophilia, homosexuality, slavery, etc. These are just a few examples.
It’s no wonder that we’re regressing as a country while Europe is excelling in their understanding of science and the word. Nearly 40% in the UK claim no religion. Maybe that’s why a lot of scientific research is carried out in Europe. They have Fermi lab, ITER, the Large Hadron Collider, etc. Advancements in energy and technology won’t be made here in the US, it will be done in Europe.
But, I guess that’s ok for some of you. While the heathens of Europe have their tech, we’ll always have a 2000+ year old book to tell us how to live and who to kill.
However, let’s just ignore the fact that it was written by men, in some cases corrupted men at that. Also changed, edited, redacted, added to and in some cases deleted from over the course of its life time by men. Not God.
Science tries to increase the knowledge of the world, religion tries to hold people back.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
{{{By Linhasxoc
February 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Um, IN THE NEWS, did you notice that everyone on your report listed as one of the best congressman is a Democrat, and everyone on the worst list is a Republican? Kind of suggests partisan bias, doesn’t it? (I mean, I know the Democrats are more often in favor of public schools than Republicans, but still).}}}
SURE DOES SUGGEST A PARTISAN BIAS
PARTISAN REPUBLICANS HATE KIDS!
By Paul
February 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
ITN 9:02
That was a fascinating interview.
“The neoconservative hubris, which sort of assigns to America some kind of geostrategic responsibility for maximizing democracy, overstretches the resources of a free country. So it is not conservatism. A conservative always measures capabilities and resources, and these are simply incapable—now, even as they were in the 1919—of bringing on democracy.”
“I think Bill Clinton is the most gifted politician of, certainly of my time. There’s nobody who can match him. He generates a kind of a vibrant goodwill with a capacity for mischief, which is very, very American, and a sense of survivability, which is dismaying. He gives the impression that nothing in the world can ultimately really hurt him. I don’t think anybody could begin to write a textbook that explicates his political philosophy because he doesn’t really have one.”
“What do you watch on television?
MR. BUCKLEY: Well, I almost always watch the seven o’clock Lehrer program”
Brings a much clearer, yet nuanced, view of what conservatism is, regardless of the inaccurate portrayal given here so often.
By How GOP Husbands Define Infidelity
February 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Sex outside marriage isn’t cheating, unless it’s with a woman.
By luckovichisaheadcase
February 28, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
William F. Buckley, Jr. was much more than just a conservative commentator and editor. He changed the face of America in many ways. Conservative and liberal are terms which have changed in meaning, and to call him a conservative in the Webster definition of the word - cautious etc… is really not an apt decription. Without him there never would have been a Reagan Revolution and possibly the Soviet Union would have held on to torture its citizens and many around the world for much longer.
Buckley, through his groundbreaking show “Firing Line” (1966-1989)changed the face of television. Televions now abounds with political shows on this model. Buckley did have a temper, and his episode with Gore Vidal is still talked about, but for the most part he was always quite civil.
The National Review Magazine set new standards for quality in the writing of journals of opinion. He also wrote some of the best spy novels I have ever read.
As they say in NR - RIP old friend!
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Now, McCain fancies himself something of an expert on matters regarding the military, national security, and foreign policy, which makes it all the more interesting when he says dumb things that don’t make any sense.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
PAUL
Not so fast….
“”Brings a much clearer, yet nuanced, view of what conservatism is, regardless of the inaccurate portrayal given here so often.”“
The conservatism we see every day around us is not the same as it was in Buckley’s heyday.
The squandering of our financial resources? Not old school conservatism.
Preemptive war? Not old school conservatism.
Warrantless wire tapping? Not old school conservatism.
Buckley, Goldwater, Eisenhower…. represent what conservatism WAS.
Bush, Cheney, Rove….well, here’s a completely different story.
By BS detector
February 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
From the declaration of independence onwards, the USA has always been the ‘promised land’ for all sorts of people from Europe. The promise of ‘Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness’ attracted liberals fleeing oppression in post-Napoleonic Europe and Irish farmers seeking a better life during the potato famine. The attraction of the USA for Europeans has not changed since, although many people these days immigrate for reasons other than oppression or starvation. Notably, young scientists from Europe, but also from Asia, leave their countries because they find better conditions for their research in the USA. Indeed, the list of US noble laureates reads like a Who’s Who of international science.
The reasons have been analysed in numerous statements and articles. The USA spend a higher percentage of the gross domestic product on research than European and most Asian countries.
By luckovichisaheadcase
February 28, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Paul - the thing is that Buckley was only right up to a point about Bill Clinton. He was also something that is quite American - lucky! The current campaign is a disaster - the bloom is off his rose!!!!
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Economy slows to near crawl
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
{{{{By w00t February 28, 2008 9:07 AM The bible or religion for that matter is not the “moral compass” of the world that you have made it out to be. The bible alone contains many references to pedophilia, homosexuality, slavery, etc.}}}}
w00sie: Yeah, the Bible calls all of those liberal past times on your list an abomination.
What is your point?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a “virtual fence” along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday. Technical problems discovered in a 28-mile pilot project south of Tucson prompted the change in plans, Department of Homeland Security officials and congressional auditors told a House subcommittee. Though the department took over that initial stretch Friday from Boeing, authorities confirmed that Project 28, the initial deployment of the Secure Border Initiative network, did not work as planned or meet the needs of the U.S. Border Patrol. The announcement marked a major setback for what President Bush in May 2006 called “the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history.” The virtual fence was to be a key component of his proposed overhaul of U.S. immigration policies, which died last year in the Senate.
By w00t
February 28, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
{{{w00sie: Yeah, the Bible calls all of those liberal past times on your list an abomination.
What is your point?}}}
Actually no, it’s more like, “in support of”
Thanks for playing.
By Bosch
February 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
What a surprise! Mr. Headcase said something bad about Clinton. Now that’s something we’ve never seen from him. Gee, I wonder if he HATES Bill and Hillary Clinton?
Yawn.
Now, this IS news -
“A conservative always measures capabilities and resources”
I think that’s called simply using common sense which no politician has, and one idealogue can not label itself as and lay claim to.
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
{{{{By w00t February 28, 2008 9:37 AM {{{w00sie: Yeah, the Bible calls all of those liberal past times on your list an abomination. What is your point?}}} Actually no, it’s more like, “in support of”}}}}
w00sie: So which “bible” are you reading?
By Paul
February 28, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
ITN
Your points could have been penned by Buckley himself. Rather illustrates the point, doesn’t it?
Regarding your opening line, I’d imagine Mr. Buckley would say that which is //portrayed// as conservatism today is not conservatism. Then he’d affix it with a label one would have to think about.
luckovichisaheadcase
“a sense of survivability, which is dismaying. He gives the impression that nothing in the world can ultimately really hurt him…”
Possibly that’s Mr. Buckley’s way of expressing “lucky”?
ITN 9:32
It’ll be interesting to see how Obama squares that with his call for more virtual fencing. Doubly interesting if he’s questioned about it!
Bosch
But if Mr. Buckley said it first…
BTW - you weren’t in the other day. I stopped by a Pres Clinton event. Stood face to face and shook hands. Quite a guy. Buckley’s correct - he does generate a “vibrant goodwill.” Tonight, schedule permitting (meaning if I exercise the self discipline to limit time here to get several jobs done) I should be able to make an Obama event. If I’d been in this area over the weekend I could also see Hillary and McCain. A past Pres and a future Pres, plus the top primary contenders, in one weekend. Not that’s a special, unusual event.
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Is William F Buckley Jr. the poster child for today’s brand of conservatism? Is his conservatism the vestiges of the Bush Base?
Obama needs to be very careful here when he gets into a foreign policy p** contest with McCain.
There are no clear black and white answers to the Bush Quagmire in Afghanistan or Iraq, or Iran or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or China or N. Korea.
Yes, Bush screwed all those fronts up completely so that we’re practically certain to experience armeggedon in like five minutes, but there is a cooler-head compromising way out of total destruction and it’s foolish to make definite statements about how to respond to new offensives in the different theatres of the war on terror, or the war that Bush bought, or wars that we cant see yet.
Dont forget that the fog of war comes in on little cat feet…..
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
also on the list of biblical abominations:
“For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)
“If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.” (Leviticus 20:18)
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)
“Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)
“…and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.” (Leviticus 11:7)
“…do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material.” (Leviticus 19:19)
“But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:10)
“They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.” (Leviticus 11:11)
“Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:12)
It’s not like a chinese food menu.
1 from column A….
Pick and choose?
By Road Scholar
February 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Will any of the conservatives who blog on this site please define “victory in Iraq”? Please do it without insults, sexual innuendo, etc. I am serious about understanding when the war can be considered finished. Does all opposition to the Iraq government have to be quelled? What if the government does not coincide with all American beliefs and desires?
William Buckley used his mind to explain and consider views of others and to formulate his beliefs. He tried to separate his emotions to renew and adjust his commitments to what he thought was right. Again, What do you consider victory to be?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
No Paul,
“Your points could have been penned by Buckley himself. Rather illustrates the point, doesn’t it?”
Nope.
Unless your point originally was not
“Brings a much clearer, yet nuanced, view of what conservatism is, regardless of the inaccurate portrayal given here so often”
Again, Buckley repesented what conservatism WAS…..not what it is today.
In regards to the virtual fence, I guess Obama says, government tried it, didn’t work - let’s either fix it or try something else.
He’s not the one who has to square it anyway…..at least not till next year. ;0)
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
{{{{By IN THE NEWS February 28, 2008 9:58 AM also on the list of biblical abominations: “For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)}}}
Hey Dimwit: How about checking out the New Testament which is the basis of Christianity.
We aren’t Jewish, you moron.
By Ralph
February 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
Any moment now the Alcoholic Imbecile will vomit up a press conference. He will speak of our great progress in Iraq and the cowardly Repunks will absorb it all and swear to it. Time for the public hanging is long past due.
By Bosch
February 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
Paul,
Just because Mr. Buckley said it first, doesn’t make it true! :-)
Wow, your event schedule is pretty impressive. I don’t get to go to political rallies very often, they don’t come to my hick town, and I hate going to Atlanta - I go only if I have to.
Talk about self discipline - I have TWO boxes of Girl Scout cookies sitting here staring at me - Samoas and Tagalongs.
By Paul
February 28, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
McCain Unable
“Is his conservatism the vestiges of the Bush Base?”
I’d guess most of the “Bush base” are unfamiliar with Mr. Buckley, other than name recognition. I’ll also make a general comment that their attitudes are nowhere near Mr. Buckley’s philosophy. So it’d be pretty difficult to character them as vestiges.
ITN
Only if you’re an Orthodox Jew. Otherwise, it’s an historical record. But if you want to research further, take a look at Acts and Galatians and read how the Old Law was no more.
Sorry to end the baiting.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Who mentioned abomination first?
Show me the reference you mean in the new testament then won’t you?
Oh please???
By w00t
February 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
{{{Hey Dimwit: How about checking out the New Testament which is the basis of Christianity.
We aren’t Jewish, you moron.}}}
I thought the Bible was the word of God?
Can’t cherry pick, you know?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Paul….
You were baiting…..?
OOOOO!
By Paul
February 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
ITN 9:26
“The conservatism we see every day around us is not the same as it was in Buckley’s heyday.”
You then wrote a number of items from today you characterized as not old-school conservatism.
I said that could have been written by Buckley. You said “NO.”
A tad confusing.
Regarding Obama - noting Obama’s plan to expand border security hinges on “virtual technology” - at the same time reading a report that the “virtual fence”, three years in the making, is a failure - then saying he just has to avoid addressing the conflict until after the election: makes Obama sound like Pres Bush in Iraq, doesn’t it?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
I’m listening to Bush….
What topping do you put on a terror sundae???
Nuts?
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Isn’t this ironic?:
{{{{By Road Scholar February 28, 2008 9:58 AM Please do it without insults, sexual innuendo, etc.}}}}
The virtual merry go round of name jacking, insults and gay hating wants people to be nice to him.
GFY, Polly.
My idea of victory in Iraq, and Afghanistan for that matter, will be achieved once all of the foreign born terrorists are killed or run off from these countries.
Which is why McBushie is the answer to the big question of 08.
~~~~~
Hey Dimwit: The biggest favor you could ever do yourself, bar none: Go to the bookstore, buy a Bible, take it home and read the entire New Testament.
This will answer all of your questions.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Paul,
I’m sorried your confused!
Keep trying kiddo, you’ll get there.
;0)
By Paul
February 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
ITN 10:33
Could you please tell my wife? She thinks it’s a lost cause…
By w00t
February 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
{{{Hey Dimwit: The biggest favor you could ever do yourself, bar none: Go to the bookstore, buy a Bible, take it home and read the entire New Testament.}}}
Well, if the bible will turn me in to a foul mouthed uneducated loon like yourself, then sign me up.
Will it tell me who to vote for too???
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
{{{Hey Dimwit: The biggest favor you could ever do yourself, bar none: Go to the bookstore, buy a Bible, take it home and read the entire New Testament.
This will answer all of your questions.}}
First — Back at you regarding that dimwit thing….
Second - Mr. Expert on the Bible -so you can’t answer it?
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Paul,
As you know from meeting Billy Jeff he’s a pretty tall guy. In 1994 I was in the working press crew at the NCAA championship game between Duke and Arkansas handling communications equipment. A few of us were in the hallway after the game when the secret service stopped us because they were bringing Clinton down to the Arkansas locker room. When his group came around the corner I burst out laughing because they were using a secret service decoy that was about seven feet tall and way thinner than Clinton but he had the same hair. A guy asked me why I was laughing and I said because nobody would mistake that goofball for Clinton.
Anyway, Billy Jeff stopped and talked to the few of us that were there, I suspect because Robin Roberts was in our group, and then headed to the locker room. Before he did though he turned to his decoy and said c’mon goofball so he does have a sense of humor to go along with his presence.
All of the TV coverage seems to show that Bill is more on a legacy tour than a campaign for his wife. Did the event you went to follow that or is the press giving us the narrative they want and he really is stumping for her? I’d hate to think the press was just living in their own little bubble.
By the way, if you ever spent early January in New Hampshire during an election year you wouldn’t think it was a rare occasion to see and meet all those people. You can’t get through a breakfast without meeting a half dozen or so.
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
{{{{By IN THE NEWS February 28, 2008 10:41 AM Second - Mr. Expert on the Bible -so you can’t answer it?}}}}
Hey Dimwit: Too afraid to find out yourself?
~~~~~
{{{{But he is appalled, friends and aides say, by what he has privately described as “political malpractice” by Hillary’s campaign. It spent money with abandon in the earliest primaries and assumed that the race would not last past Super Tuesday, on Feb. 5 — and failed to prepare for any of the states that followed. Two weeks before the Texas primary, Bill Clinton telephoned Waco insurance mogul and philanthropist Bernard Rapoport, a friend and backer since the 1970s. Rapoport told Clinton that this was the first contact he had had from anyone on the campaign. “He was madder than mad,” Rapoport says. “He was right. There was so much we could have done, but we never heard from anyone at headquarters.”}}}}
Now imagine when they have the taxpayers to help finance their bottomless cash burn.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
February 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Luck,
If the AJC had any editorial integrity they would blast Buckley for not supporting our Dear Leader in the necessary, justified and wildly successful Iraq invasion.
Since Buckley couldn’t support the troops and thus hates America and thus is a “blame America first” guy, I’m glad he’s dead and so should the AJC as should all freedom-loving Americans.
I’m sick of hearing about this Buckley guy being a “conservative.” If being conservative means anything it means blindly following a Republican President, and not sticking with a century of conservative ideals that informs you that going into Iraq is a bad idea. Being conservative isn’t about following “ideals” its about following orders, being manipulated by fear and patriotism and abandoning personal judgement in favor of the whims of a moron, if necessary.
BTW: Luck, don’t you think that Bush out to pull a Musharraf and cancel the elections “to preserve democracy?” I can’t think of anything more un-American and anti-democratic than allowing the next President to be chosen by voters, especially when those voters have stopped watching Fox News.
If not, when exactly did you start hating America, you liberal, commie, scumbag, terrorist loving, Al Qeada sympathizer?
RWNJIFG
By Paul
February 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
RW-the original
I know a woman who grew up in Iowa. She said it was the same as NH - after a while such “sightings” were quite the yawner.
It was an interesting 30-min talk. It was definitely a “get out the vote for Hillary and here’s why she’s better than Obama” talk. He skillfully wove his record into a theme of “this is what Hillary will deliver.” That’s about as legacy as he got. He noted his administration paid down the debt four years, while a Rep administration ran it up. He compared jobs creation then vs now. He noted the number of people who moved from poverty to the middle class in the 90s vs the numbers who moved from the middle class to poverty in the next decade.
He did go down Hillary’s proposals - and asked, since when does decades of service disqualify one to serve as Pres? Spoke a lot of investments in alt energy, technologies that would generate jobs, linked it to less reliance on the Middle East (I thought, and in the 90s you did what?). Gave the only reason I’ve heard that’s somewhat plausible to justify universal preschool: so all kids enter school on a level playing field.
He did say War on Terror is real, al Qaeda is a threat to America. Said, clearly, we’ve made gains in Iraq and can’t lose them. Said Iraqis have adopted a constitution, formed a government. Only two big decisions remain: revenue sharing and power sharing. Said a withdrawal out is a bad idea, said H wanted to redeploy in the north and have forces at hand to hit al Qaeda, but focus should be on Afghanistan. Said keeping forces in Iraq at current levels does not bring pressure on gov’t to solve their two remaining problems.
It was a very good “Main point - supporting points” presentation. An appeal to the positive aspects of the 90s with the line H was part of it, shares the ideas and will work to bring positive times again. All in all, much more “point-point-point specific-specific-specific & different from Obama” than I’ve seen H in the debates.
By Truthman
February 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Snort…Guffaw…Snicker!!
Now, that IS FUNNY!!!
Great likeness of his A$$-holiness!!!
War-mongering cretin!!
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Shellfish an abomination? The prophet that wrote that must have eaten at Captain D’s.
By AmuseRiot
February 28, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Just posted on Luckovich last night…
amuseriot.com
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
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Personally I like the part in the bible where it says - though shalt not touch the skin of a swine..
So playing Football is now an abomination too?
smiles
Cheers’
By Democrats Promote Gay Agenda
February 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
While we GOP guys promote the Larry Craig agenda, whatever that is…
(Waving at you from under the toilet - peekaboo!)
XOX Likkkoduh
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
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Oh this so good that it has just got to get out!…
While I was looking for good contardictory bible quotes, etc, I ran across this bit of old - but releavant - news about our potential GOP President/VicePresident to be…
Our good friend Hick-a-Berry Fini’ has a serious skeleton in his closet if he decides to run on any sort of platform of being tough on crime..
Huckabee’s Law!
So all you psychotic Murderers be sure to write to the ol’ Huck Meister and tell him “I Done Been Saved!” and he will surely give you that good ol’ Presidential like Pardon for killing that family of 5 last week….
Cheers’
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Yes, football is an abomination, at least the way the Falcons play, it is.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Bush: I’m ‘focused’ on gas prices but unware of $4 gas. » During his press conference today, a reporter asked President Bush what his “advice” would be to the “average American” who is “facing the prospect of $4 a gallon gasoline.” Bush replied, “That’s interesting, I hadn’t heard that.” Yet a few minutes later, Bush wouldn’t answer a question regarding donations for his presidential library because, he claimed, “I, frankly, have been focused elsewhere, like on gasoline prices.”
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
If the IRS is prepared to argue that the UCC may have violated the law simply by giving Obama a platform for a non-partisan speech, should we also assume, then, that the agency will investigate the Southern Baptist Convention for inviting George W. Bush to give a non-partisan speech? That, in effect, is the argument here.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Bush League Justice: More on Siegelman
By Truthman
February 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
“Once you go Barack, you never go back!!”
-TM
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
War is hell. War should be a last resort.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Pentagon gives new contract to company alleged to be producing substandard kevlar helmets for our troops
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
The George W. Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages. Surely, you’ll want to be the first to make a contribution to this great man’s legacy.
The library will include:
The Hurricane Katrina Room , which is still under construction.
The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you can’t remember anything.
The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don’t have to even show up.
The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don’t let you in.
The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don’t let you out.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room, which no one has been able to find.
The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you to go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tour.
The Dick Cheney Room—in an undisclosed location, complete with shooting gallery.
Plans also include: The K-Street Project Gift Shop, where you can buy (or just steal) an election.
The Airport Men’s Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republican Senators.
Last, but not least, there will be an entire floor devoted to a 7/8 scale model of the President’s ego.
To highlight the president’s accomplishments, the museum will have an electron microscope to help you locate them.
When asked, President Bush said that he didn’t care so much about the individual exhibits as long as his museum was better than his father’s.
FROM TALK LEFT
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Siegelman was convicted by a Federal jury of bribery, conspiracy, mail fraud, and obstruction of justice but he’s a Democrat so by all means give him a pass and blame his corruption on Karl Rove.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report………Newly-released records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request contradict the 9/11 Commission’s report on the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and raise fresh questions about the role of Saudi government officials in connection to the hijackers….Thompson believes that the possible motive for the Commission to alter the dates is to obscure official Saudi ties to the hijackers.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report………Newly-released records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request contradict the 9/11 Commission’s report on the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and raise fresh questions about the role of Saudi government officials in connection to the hijackers….Thompson believes that the possible motive for the Commission to alter the dates is to obscure official Saudi ties to the hijackers.
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
RW (the original) i hope, but it’s probably a troll, but maybe the real RW is lurking so here goes:
Rw, are you a working journalist? If so, how would you define conservatism in the wake of Jr’s death?
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
(((By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Siegelman was convicted by a Federal jury of bribery, conspiracy, mail fraud, and obstruction of justice but he’s a Democrat so by all means give him a pass and blame his corruption on Karl Rove.)))
Duh, as far as your repeat from yesterday….
BUT SINCE HE’S A DEMOCRAT ANY POSSIBILITY THAT HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN WRONGFULLY PROSECUTED SHOULD BE IGNORED.
Hell, we know how PERFECT the DOJ is! They NEVER make a mistake.
And it’s not like political prosecution has never happened in this country!
DAMN. JUST DAMN.
Is it the McCain - Abramoff - Riley connection that makes the Seigelman case so verrrry interesting!
By Sen Vitter (REPUBLICAN)
February 28, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
“The Airport Men’s Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republican Senators.”
Any word on if this bathroom will include a room for changing dirty diapers?
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Hey look, the demokrat nominee debates just like any liberal troll:
{{{{In the debate, Mr. Obama responded to a question about whether he would invade Iraq again if al Qaeda resurged after he withdrew troops. “If al Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad,” Mr. Obama replied.}}}}
{{{{Mr. McCain fired from Texas: “I have some news: Al Qaeda is in Iraq … It’s called al Qaeda in Iraq. And, my friends, if we left they wouldn’t be establishing a base … they’d be taking a country.”}}}}
{{{{“I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq,” the Illinois senator said at a rally at Ohio State University.}}}}
Daily Kooks talking points!
I’ll bet al Qaeda giggled right along with you pinkos.
So when will he start calling Conservatives “fa-gs?”
By Truthman
February 28, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Soldier admits having friend shoot him so he can’t return to Iraq:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Soldieradmitshavinghimselfshotto0226.html
I’ll tell you what, if we had Pfc. Jenna Bush and Pfc. Barbara Bush manning the turret of an up-armored Humvee in Iraq, W’s war would’ve been over yesterday.
It’s always easy to start a war when you have no stake in it!!
Murderer/Traitor/Basturd!!
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Paul 11:13,
Imagine my shock that what we read in the papers and see on TV is the story they want us to see regardless of the facts.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
RW @ 1:15
{{{{{{“I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq,” the Illinois senator said at a rally at Ohio State University.}}}}
So you don’t think this is true.
You base this on what?
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Can anyone on the right even define William F. Buckley Jr’s conservatism?
See why you have no credibility? You cant even express yourself because you’re afraid you’ll be wrong and made a total fool of.
but that’s your fears, amigos, not ours.
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
ITFS,
Are you saying Siegleman is innocent?
By w00t
February 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
THE Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.
Then again, he is a Nobel Prize winner. Guess we can’t trust him.
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
Did Blowhard get yet another new name?
By Truthman
February 28, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Can one of you neo-conmen or women tell me why Secretary of Defense is telling Turkey to get out of Iraq.
All day long you neo-cons squawk about how Iraq is a “sovereign country” and “we’re there at the request of the Iraqi government.” Why, then, does the American Secretary of Defense need to butt in to the internal affairs of the sovereign nation of Iraq.
I doubt it would sit well with the neo-cons is Canada started telling the U.S. to accept Latinos who come here to clean RW’s laundry and mow Andi’s yard.
Why is our government butting in?
Could it be that the Iraqi “government” is viewed as a puppet regime set up by American business, for American business, by everyone in the world except The Chimperor and his mindless minions?
Bush = Loser with a capital “L” on his forehead!!
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
RW/DUH
Are you denying the possibility of hanky panky at DOJ?
By mm
February 28, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Oh my. A smidgeon of ethics in the GOP.
Ya think some of the folks in the GOP are starting to realize their dirty politics will backfire in this election?
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
ITFS,
If all you’re going to do is tap dance around the guilt or innocence question I’ve got better things to do. I don’t believe DOJ was able to secure such a multiple count conviction because of some political dirty tricks. One thing is patently obvious though. The right side of this board wants corrupt politicians to face the consequences no matter which side of the aisle they come from. Your side wants Republicans prosecuted when they do wrong and they want Republicans blamed when Democrats do wrong.
Later!
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
RW DUH
Hell I can’t dance! Two LEFT feet!
Yes, I KNOW you have better things to do, hee hee hee.
{{I don’t believe DOJ was able to secure such a multiple count conviction because of some political dirty tricks. }}}
No D’uh, DUH.
We are all clear on what it is you believe.
And this quip:
{{Your side wants Republicans prosecuted when they do wrong and they want Republicans blamed when Democrats do wrong.}}
GOP trash talk, nothing more.
Now, since you DO DANCE, why avoid the question?
“”Are you denying the possibility of hanky panky at DOJ?”“”
By Paul
February 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original) 1:20
Reeeelax! Just read the posts and you’ll realize there is no bias in the media.
ITN
Obama’s going to have to be careful with the absolute comments. People are ready to jump on an inadvertent slip or to treat a broad generalization as an absolute. Then you have supporters who rise to “defend.”
Were there any instances of any al Qaeda in Iraq prior to the invasion? Sure. Was it a significant presence? No. Was there any operational linkage between al Qaeda and Saddam? No. Were Saddam and bin Laden best buddies? Nope. Did they have a common enemy? Yup.
Are there more al Qaeda in Iraq now than before the invasion? Of course. They went where their enemy is. That’s a weakness in Obama’s argument.
We go to Iraq. aQ recruits, expands, and we engage there. Obama withdraws and places emphasis on Afghanistan. Also Pakistan. Do all aQ stay in Iraq? No. They go to engage the enemy - in Afghanistan.
So now the weak argument gets turned onto Obama - “things weren’t really bad in Afghanistan until you left Iraq.” Silly, but that’s the way it’ll go.
Oh, and he really should get onto a more thoughtful response than “George Bush…” Less time for the past history and more for the future plan would be a good idea.
By IN THE NEWS
February 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Paul
[[[Are there more al Qaeda in Iraq now than before the invasion? Of course. They went where their enemy is. That’s a weakness in Obama’s argument. }}}
Nope. That is the power of Obama’s statement.
The Democrats can and will connect Bush to this election over and over and over and over…..
McCain would be a Bush 3rd term.
By Paul
February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
ITN
I should have put “that’s a weakness” in the following paragraph. It’s a true statement but it gives a false impression - that absent Iraq aQ would not be a force with which we’d be engaged. So I was saying it’s conceivable that with no targets in Iraq, aQ will migrate to where the targets are, and that could well be Afghanistan.
Then, following the “argument” people can say “smooth move, Obama - aQ in Afghanistan has risen exponentially since you took over…”
I agree - Obama will continue to tap into the Bush antipathy and use a broad brush to paint McCain as Bush. Those elements are causing me some misgivings about how committed he really is to change, about how readily he’ll jettison principle for political advantage.
I don’t agree McCain would be Bush third term. Those two don’t have the best history, and if you check the legislation and votes, they aren’t exactly in lockstep.
By Road Scholar
February 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
To AJC Management, aka Luckoduh
I didn’t say be nice to me; I asked a sincere question; cut to the chase…Be succint and detailed as to what is “Victory in Iraq”. This question is open to all who back the war and who can discuss things without name calling.
It has been apparent that the people that support Bush and his policies cry out for “stay the course” but they do not define what that is exactly. Please enlighten me. Discuss the issue with facts, details, reason etc.
It’s easy to fall into the quagmire, calling each other names and infantile action of many who post here trying to get the last word.
This e-mail was difficult to write since I was tempted repeatedly to stoop to the level of insult and name calling myself. William Buckley was able to express himself very succintly and eloquently to get his beliefs out. Why can’t others, regardless of their beliefs, do the same? Also, if people would learn to listen and have repect, regardless of acceptance of what is being said, then we might acually learn something!!!!!
Speaking of Buckley, one of my favorite memories was when he described why/how he as a kid snuck into his atheist neighbors’ yard and threw water on him while he slept in order to baptise him. Buckley was a devote Catholic and he couldn’t bear the thought of someone not being baptised so that they could go to heaaven! He stated he didn’t know what type of life that person lived, but couldn’t bear him not having the oppertunity. Even though he was much older, his eyes gleamed like a mischevous kid…. he was genuine!
By @@
February 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
ml posed the question yesterday, and Nader delivers today.
Nader picks running mate
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
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RW —
I’ll take that statement… (1:22pm)
Yes Siegelman is Innocent…
As someone from the Great State of “I’ll-Be-Damn’A” who definitly knows the politics of Montgomery (During my work in News there I covered it daily), I watched this travesty unfold and shook my head.
The first time they ran this garbage - this case was thrown out…(actually laughed out of court) - and for good reason..
The conviction was a politically motivated hack job by the GOP, The Bush Administration, and even Abromoff’s Casino Crew.
The charge of Bribery does not fit this situation at all - otherwise just about 80% of Dubya’s Appointees would have landed V-Dubya’ in jail 50 times over.
1) The check in question was cut days after the (perjured) testimony of the star witness who said Siegelman took the check in exchange for an appointment to the position.
2) The prosecuters were political appointees of Bush and had very close associations with Riley, (Siegelman’s opponent for Governor), and should have recused themselves from the case entirely. Not only was this reasonable cause for case dismissal or at the very least cause for questioning the possibility of this being a political attack, but the Judge too was tied in with that vey same tri-facta. That alone sets up the potential for this being a conspiracy for political reasons and therefore annulling the justice of the case.
3) The check that Siegalman accepted (and was convicted of bribery for), went 100% to a ligitimate organization and was legally placed in their funds. Not one penny went into Siegelmans pocket, and therefore that does not constitute by any law “Bribary”. If Siegelman had profited in some way from that check, then you may have actually had a bribary case.
4) The Venue of the case (and it’s jury) was strategically placed in a heavy GOP county where Siegelman was un-popular.
-=- (part-1)
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
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(Cont.)
At the time this occurred, Siegelman was campaigning for a lottery (just like Georgia’s) for education funding. This was to help defray the serious amount of money going out of the state of Alabama to the Lotterys on the Georgia/Florida border, and the Casino’s in Buloxi Miss, and Indian Casino’s on the Northern side.
Abramoff and crew along with k-street gang, worked very hard to destroy Siegelman and put Riley in as Govenor so he could do what they needed to keep the Indian gambling money rolling in to their buddies rather than be spent on school children.
If any one is guilty of corruption and bribery - it would be Riley!..
Cheers’
By Paul
February 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Road Scholar
How about “the elimination of a safe haven for al Qaeda”?
By Victory!
February 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Good question, Road.
For us conservatives, victory in Iraq will look like the complete and utter destruction of all the infidel Islamoterroristfascists, the leveling of all of Babylon back to the stone age, devout Christians ascending into heaven on golden fiery chariots, the death of all Jews that choose not to convert to Southern Baptism, and Jesus Christ coming again to maim and kill the liberals and homosexuals and women who have had abortions, used birth control, or talked back to their husbands or boyfriends.
Victory!
Jeesus Akbar!
By Agnus Victrix
February 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
For those of faith, victory will look like: the complete and utter destruction of all social institutions and instrumentalities of political power and the repudiation of the lies upon which they are based; the leveling of all the high and mighty; the King of all Kings descending from Heaven with a shining, built city and a host of benign protectors; the manifest fulfillment of God’s promise to all Jews and believers; and a final loving request to all others, living and even dead, to return to a better home.
Except PoFo.
By Apocalypse
February 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Will McInsane be disqualified?
WASHINGTON — The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.
Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.
Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.
“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,” said Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.”
Mr. McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that Mr. McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.
But given mounting interest, the campaign recently asked Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general now advising Mr. McCain, to prepare a detailed legal analysis. “I don’t have much doubt about it,” said Mr. Olson, who added, though, that he still needed to finish his research.
Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of Mr. McCain’s closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.
“He was posted there on orders from the United States government,” Mr. Graham said of Mr. McCain’s father. “If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can’t be president if they take an overseas assignment.”
The ph
By Buy Danish
February 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Bob Geldof disagrees with Moonbats who live in a bubble about George Bush.
By Miley
February 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Oooh! Oooohh! I wanna know what Bob GELDOF says about my President!
By Paul
February 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish
I was just getting ready to post that. Thanks.
Miley
If the article would have been critical, you can rest assured there would have already been five or ten links to it.
Critical “star” = gets reported and circulated.
Complimentary “star” = maybe gets reported.
Just witness the number of people here with the “Bush is evil and never did anything good” mantra.
By Apocalypse
February 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
AUSTIN, Texas - Democratic candidate Barack Obama said Thursday the economy is “on the brink of a recession” and blamed economic policies espoused by President Bush and Republican presidential contender John McCain.
Obama mocked a more optimistic economic picture painted by Bush at a White House news conference just moments earlier: “People are struggling in the midst of an economy that George Bush says is not a recession but is experienced differently by folks on the ground.”
For the second day in a row, Obama focused on the likely GOP nominee McCain and all but ignored Hillary Rodham Clinton’s continuing campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, although key Democratic primaries come up next Tuesday in Texas and Ohio.
“We are not standing on the brink of recession because of forces beyond our control,” Obama told a town hall forum in Austin. “This was not an inevitable part of the business cycle. It was a failure of leadership in Washington — a Washington where George Bush hands out billions of tax cuts to the wealthiest few for eight long years, and John McCain promises to make those same tax cuts permanent, embracing the central principle of the Bush economic program.”
In remarks Obama aides suggested were a rebuke to McCain as well as Bush, Obama said more is needed than just “to change faces in the White House,” but that the country “needs a change of leadership”
The Illinois senator spoke shortly after Bush told a news conference in Washington that the country is not headed into a recession. While expressing concern about slowing economic growth, Bush rejected for now any additional stimulus efforts.
“We’ve acted robustly,” Bush said. His forecast was rosier than that of many mainstream economists.
Obama offered a sharply different view: “Despite the slogans,we’ve got millions of Americans that are being left behind.”
He said he was “the only candidate in this race to propose a genuine middle-class tax cut.” And he added, the nation needs as president a leader who “doesn’t defend lobbyists as part of the system, but sees them as part of the problem.”
In focusing on McCain, Obama is pursuing a strategy of acting as if the Democratic nomination were already his. On Wednesday, Obama and McCain sparred by long distance over Ir
By AmVet
February 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Poor demented little rickster, of the rong wing
Sees me everywhere…
And good people!
Discussing religion with Curly is like discussing fire prevention methods with David Koresh.
Old news, but yes, that monolith of conservatism, the late Mr. Buckley saw very early, Bush’s chosen war for what it was - a total failure. And wrote as much.
Further he indicted the neo-cons as the bungling, incompetent, cocksure screw ups they are - fiscally and socially. Domestically and in foreign policy.
That millions of these gullible and “faithful” Americans chose not, unlike him, to see through this ultra-obvious non-conservative Republican tripe is all that matters now.
But mercifully for the future of America, the death of the neo-con agenda, as an instrument to bludgeon political sanity, is at hand. And watching these pigheaded neo-con apologists spin like whirling dervishes is most amusing.
By @@
February 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Victory in Iraq will be when normal Iraqis opt for something other than oppressive regimes or radical extremism.
Check!
After which the governing powers will begin squabbling not unlike ours in the U.S.
Check!
Democracy, such as it is ain’t always pretty.
It just is.
Check!
By Paul
February 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse 3:59
Doubtful. Obama could score some points by saying “as a past Constitutional law instructor, I believe Sen McCain is entitled to run, and if elected, serve as President. I look forward to meeting him in the general election” and so on.
BTW - Sen Obama generally uses McCain’s proper name. I think he’s trying to set an example.
BTW2 - I’ll be leaving in about a half hour to see Obama.
By Apocalypse
February 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Are you in Texas or Ohio?
Keep hope alive Paul!!!!
By Paul
February 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
AmVet
Interesting. Buckley takes to task the extremists (neocons) in the Republican party. Disavows them as anything like conservatives.
Any thought why there isn’t a corresponding figure amongst the liberals/progressives?
I know I can count on you not to say “because there aren’t any such extremists” and leave it at that -
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
-=-
So our dear @@ has just stated that our invasion of Iraq was Illegal!
So this invasion of a sovereign country (and the killing of it’s leader) was for the sole purpose of Regime Change!… Yep —!
Good ol’ Democracy at Gunpoint!
Uhhm — A super power invading a much smaller country for Regime Change… Now where have I heard that before…. something about a certain party in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s… uhhm some new way to make the world change how it thinks about order and security?…. Yeah what was his name? (smiles)
Yep that changed the world quite a bit alright, and it was a really big war….
Cheers’
By Roa Scholar
February 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
Thank you Paul and, to a lesser extent, By Victory.
Paul, is that totally possible? At what cost? How many nations do we attack or cause their government to change? Bush cannot find Bin Laden! He leaves our borders pourous! DHS cannot even ensure foreign students visiting the U.S. are getting their required papers/permits to allow them to learn how to fly an airplane.
How is this accomplished and when will it be scheduled to be completed? ie the security “fence” that doesn’t work, needs 6 more years to alter their work, and Boeing gets more money to change to software that works (their’s didn’t!) They didn’t even include the border guards in their discussion/definition of what they need to do their job!
By AmVet
February 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
Paul,
They all left the Democratic Party and threw stones from their neo-con glass houses!
In spite of the idiotically named Reagan Revolution, this country always has been and always will be liberal. And most of the time VERY liberal.
That is why the Democratic Party, no matter how they oscillate between left of center to far left of center in some cases, will always be vibrant and relevant.
They do what they do and don’t have to change that much. Some of what they have accomplished as an ideology ranks among the highest aspirations of a nation. Some of it has been utterly misguided and just plain stupid.
But to that liberal end, I believe the vast majority of decent, moral Americans don’t want a country devoid of anti-war voices for instance (though that would please the Dustys of this country enormously).
The GOP has historically acted as an effective governor on the excesses of the left. Until Reagan.
Then they become CONSUMED with legislating morality at all costs and driving the train off the tracks.
And we are still reeling from the effects.
By @@
February 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
PNAC:
(((So this invasion of a sovereign country (and the killing of it’s leader) was for the sole purpose of Regime Change!… Yep)))
Nope! We didn’t kill Saddam. He was tried in an Iraqi court for crimes against his people.
They hung him.
By AmVet
February 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
@@ at 5:02.
Technically correct.
We tried repeatedly, beginning with shock and awe, and failed.
By Miley
February 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Yeah, and Elvis loved Nixon. WTF do I care what Bob Geldof or Christianne Amanpour think about my President? And why should I listen to a bunch of toothless Cockney millionaires like The Clash get rich p!$$ing and moaning about what a drag it is that some people have money and some don’t?
Hot Tip: Fidel just made his will public. He’s going to leave his body to Sean Penn, so Penn can play “Weekend at Bernie’s” with the corpse till the film runs out.
By Paul
February 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse
Right now I’m in the Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex. Fly out at 5 in the morning. But I’ll go to the rally and work late tonight.
AmVet
My impression is the extreme faction of the Party imposes quite the orthodoxy. Rather like a conservative church. Try to operate outside the accepted dogma and get excommunicated. Witness Lieberman. Or threatened with excommunication. Witness MoveOn statements to the candidates early in the primary season.
An extreme is an extreme is an extreme.
Roads Scholar
You’re welcome. Don’t have much time - taking a book to get in line for a chance at a decent seat.
But, it’s up to the Iraqis. A safe haven doesn’t mean no aQ - it means a hostile environment. How the Iraqis handle it depends on what they do with their gov’t and social and religious institutions. First aim was to get rid of a hostile regime. That was relatively easy. Then the situation morphed. Welcome to reality. So that is what I see as the other objective. Quicker we place the ball in their court, the better.
We hit Afghanistan as the Taliban was really an extension of aQ and actively sheltered them. That’s a pretty clear boundary.
I agree with your border comments. Earlier I noted Obama may have difficulty with staying with the “virtual technology fence” thing in light of this development. I think many people are kinda looking for someone who’s flexible enough to change course.
Maybe they’ll cut him some slack, though, and allow that sometimes a course change brings positive results (I’m referring to the “surge”) and won’t say his change failed because one illegal got through.
Written with a smile -
Back Monday. Pleasant time, all -
By Luckoduh Always Prefers Dick Cheney
February 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Alas, Al Qaeda was not shocked, or awed. Only us idiot American rednecks were impressed.
Oh - I forgot. With or without the Cheney…
By Betty
February 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish is one of the best posters here. By far. We are lucky to have her back. Please do not ruin it for those of us here that want this blog to return to respectability.
Un-friggen-believable. She’s back.
Enjoy!
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
February 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
-=-
Now tell me again @@ — who invaded the country of Iraq? -=- then who captured Saddam -=- and then Who turned him over to his enemys who were now in power under our watch? (So they could quickly execute him while we washed our hands of the affair).
As much as I hated Saddam.. He was still OUR responsibility as a Prisoner after we invaded his country and captured him. Someday Bush may face that question of violating international law. perhaps even Bush himself may find himself facing charges as a “War Criminal”…
And now you have added even more proof to the reality that the war in Iraq was Illegal!….
Cheers’
By Bart Bernstein
February 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
You might as well say that dropping the atom bombs didn’t scare the Italian mafia one bit.
The point of Shock and Awe was to cripple Iraq’s command and control, to disorganize the Iraqi military and intimidate it into swift capitulation.
But guess what it did! It did NOTHING to discourage prison gang violence!
Got any more non sequiturs in that broad region of your cerebral cortex from which that one burped?
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
Bushie knows how naïve the demokrats are:
{{{{President Bush attacked a key foreign policy stance of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), contending heatedly at a news conference Thursday morning that talking to dictators without preconditions can be dangerous and counterproductive.}}}}
Oh but maybe Obambi will have them singing “yes we kan” over tea and krumpets.
And al Qaeda will pick up and go home to their sheep herds if we’d only just leave Iraq!
And they didn’t blow up the World Trade Center, that was a different al Qaeda!
Come all you vicious mass murdering dictators, let’s join hands and sing!
By Luckoduh Always Prefers Dick Cheney
February 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
With or without the Cheney…
[I heard that one of my fellow chickenhawk poofs, Matt Drudge, outed Prince Harry, letting the Taliban know that they had a member of the British royal family serving on the line in Afghanistan.
Makes me feel real proud to be a chickenhawk poof, lurking behind my keyboard while putting others in harm’s way.](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977777/posts)
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Here’s a sure fire way to get the Iraqis to really like us:
{{{{But in Iraq, where I’ve just met with American and Iraqi leaders, the phrase carries a different meaning. It does not refer to the departure of U.S. troops, but to the return of the millions of innocent Iraqis who have been driven out of their homes and, in many cases, out of the country.}}}}
How much you want to bet she wasn’t crammed into a burka either.
I bet those Iraqi leaders perked up.
By AJC Management
February 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
Ooops:
{{{{But in Iraq, where I’ve just met with American and Iraqi leaders, the phrase carries a different meaning. It does not refer to the departure of U.S. troops, but to the return of the millions of innocent Iraqis who have been driven out of their homes and, in many cases, out of the country.——>By Angelina Jolie<———}}}}
Kinda important, wasn’t it?
By @@
February 28, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
PNAC:
Who was in violation of 16 U.N. Security Sanctions?
Who was given 48 hours to exit Iraq?
Do you ever wonder what would have been had Saddam simply left? It’s not as if his Revolutionary Guard was any match for our military. They were dropping to their knees in Kuwait.
How long did they fight there? Wasn’t it over in something like 92 hours?
Give me a break! Again with the stale “toast” points.
Tiresome…truly tiresome.
Got anything new — something along the lines of Change, loose as it may be?
By McCain Unable
February 28, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
I liked the cartoon.
Obama came awfully close to saying he’d raise taxes today.
Hillary just drones on and on about this and that and it’s getting pathetic.
McCain cant raise his voice to save his campaign.
It’s a default victory for Obama, but a victory nonetheless.
By Devastator
February 28, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
It is futile for the GOP to have any hope or expectations this election.
This will be the first year in recent history in which the opposition needn’t bother showing up.
Obama in ‘08!!
By @@
February 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
PNAC:
I had intended to address this point in your post:
(((As much as I hated Saddam.. He was still OUR responsibility as a Prisoner after we invaded his country and captured him.)))
As I recall he was captured unarmed hiding in a spider hole.
It would appear as though you would “legislate” all things in Iraq much like Saddam.
Judge, jury and hangman! Not very democratic of you now is it?
By Ace Mulholland
February 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
I fu@#!&g hate Ohio, but that’s what we get for not being persuasive enough. At least they’re smarter now that they’ve gotten rid of the deadwood. The good news is that ObamaToy can’t wait to wear the varsity jersey and thinks he’s running against McCain. None of us is like HELLO! OVER HERE! because this is such a great break for Hillary. She’s such a trooper. Who woulda known she’s got it in her.
First the Crooner tries to one-up McPain, which is fine if you pull it off in the General, and he did pull it off. Next he figures out that he was still allowing McPain to set the agenda so he plays a reverse on McP and makes McP respond to him. Very good in a General.
But as Bob says this aint a General Election and we aint talking. Fool is hitting the wrong front and we’re loving it. He’s got at best two soundbites a day to get his message out here and in Texas and he wastes it trying to beat McCain.
Just where we want him. Dancing in the end zone. Without the ball.
By Devastator
February 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Ace Mulholland,
My heart goes out to your pathetic cry.
It’s useless to give yourself such false hopes.
By By Love
February 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Silly rabbits, there isn’t going to be an election, and we’ll be in Iraq forever.
By J. Goldberg
February 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
Liberalism, unlike conservatism, is and always has been operationally uninterested in its own intellectual history.
By By Love
February 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
Halliburton corporate theme song”We’re In The Money”.
By Devastator
February 28, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Barack Obama will usher in a unified spirit that this world is longing for.
Neither Clinton or McCain has what it takes to take this country and world into the next phase of our collective evolutionary journey.
This is more than just an election.
By AmVet
February 28, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
Conservatism has an intellectual history?
Didn’t it just die the other day?
By RW-(the original)
February 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Thomas/PNAC,
It sure seems like it would be awfully easy for Seigleman to win an appeal if he’s as pure as the driven snow like you claim. Of course there remains the very strong possibility/probability that you’re just as full of crap on this issue as you are on every other topic you’ve ever broached here.
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Let’s have some fun with this natural born citizen thing. After McCain and Obama get their respective nominations we can throw McCain out on the grounds that he isn’t natural born since he was born on a military base and we can also define natural born citizen as needing to have both parents be US citizens and throw Obama out too. One caveat, I don’t know whether Obama’s father was or wasn’t a citizen so the game might not be as much fun as it sounds.
Let’s say we throw them both out on those technicalities do we just keep Bush in office while we run some new primaries?