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By Mike Luckovich | Friday, February 8, 2008, 10:19 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Look at what the Urinal buried on page 5:

{{{{Obama outdraws Clinton in lively Maine caucuses-Urinal}}}}

Outdraws?

You mean like crayons?

Geez, you libs are really ashamed of this Obama guy, aren’t you?

~~~~~

Oh cool, now the Urinal is giving in depth analysis of their own anti American propaganda:

{{{{Suspected al-Qaida-linked gunmen and bombers struck U.S. allied fighters, police and civilians across northern Iraq on Sunday, killing at least 53 people.- Your Urinal Today}}}}

{{{{Why it matters- (((So-called))) awakening groups of local Iraqi fighters who have joined forces with the Americans against al-Qaida in Iraq have been credited with a major role in the drop in violence in recent months. (((Attacks on these groups and their towns))) —- and civilian deaths at American hands —- threaten that cooperation.}}}}

So, let me see if I have this straight, al Qaeda attacks on the Sunnis caused the Sunnis to band together to fight al Qaeda but attacks by al Qaeda on the Sunnis could cause the Sunnis to stop fighting?

Huh.

Leads me to believe that the scumbags working at the Urinal are “so called” journalists.

~~~~~

My goodness, I thought it was supposed to get “warm:”

{{{{It was so cold Sunday in the Upper Midwest, and visibility was so poor in blowing snow, that church services were called off in parts of Michigan. At noon, thermometers in one North Dakota town still registered only 20 below zero.}}}}

{{{{The windy, bitterly cold weather blanketed a region from the Dakotas across much of Minnesota into Wisconsin and Michigan. Subzero temperatures at midday extended into northern Iowa, the National Weather Service said.}}}}

You liberals are so ridiculous, it isn’t even funny.

Brrrrrrrrr, damn, it’s cold outside.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

{{{{Last month a Hispanic pollster employed by the KKKlinton campaign pitted the two groups against each other by telling The New Yorker that Hispanic voters have “not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Mrs. Ku Klux Rodham then seconded the motion by telling Tim Russert in a debate that her pollster was “making a historical statement.”}}}}

{{{{It wasn’t an accurate statement, historical or otherwise. It was a lie, and a bigoted lie at that, given that it branded Hispanics, a group as heterogeneous as any other, as monolithic racists. As the columnist Gregory Rodriguez pointed out in The Los Angeles Times, all three black members of Congress in that city won in heavily Latino districts; black mayors as various as David Dinkins in New York in the 1980s and Ron Kirk in Dallas in the 1990s received more than 70 percent of the Hispanic vote. The real point of the KKKlinton Kampaign’s decision to sow misinformation and racial division, Mr. Rodriguez concluded, was to “undermine one of Obama’s central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types.”}}}}

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{{{{McCain and his campaign know that the conservative uprising poses serious practical problems as well. A senior McCain aide, who didn’t want to be named talking about the campaign’s woes, cites the difficulty in fund-raising that the candidate faced a year ago when GOP critics targeted his compromise position on immigration reform. (McCain championed a bill with archliberal Ted Kennedy that would have allowed illegal aliens to participate in a worker-visa program. He later retreated.) Campaign donations quickly dried up—particularly among small donors, whose checks are looked upon as an indication of how much grass-roots support a candidate is getting. Aides privately worry that more barking from McCain’s critics could create a similar scenario—a devastating financial blow in an election year when Republicans are already being outspent and outraised by Democrats. “We can get past people bashing us—even [George W.] Bush got some of that,” says a McCain adviser, who declined to be named discussing internal strategy. “But if it starts affecting [the money], it’s a problem.” Coulter tells NEWSWEEK that she herself was “rather surprised at how ferocious and immediate the support was for my preferenc

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

But yet the liberals still whine:

{{{{Contrary to what the liberal media would have you believe, there is almost no shooting going on in many of the US-patrolled provinces for the very good reason that the Taliban are afraid to begin attacks that only end in their annihilation. The Taliban have not even won an engagement against the Afghan National Army in Regional Command East since April 2007.}}}}

{{{{The CIA, Hayden said, has not employed waterboarding in “just a few weeks short of” five years.}}}}

~~~~~

These people can’t wait to surrender to al Qaeda:

{{{{House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said twice Sunday that Iraq “is a failure,” adding that President Bush’s troop surge has “not produced the desired effect.”}}}}

Purely political scumbag rhetoric, they don’t care about America’s safety, only their own White Power.

{{{{Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an “extraordinary crisis”. Last year’s mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military “created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight”. The terrorist group’s security structure suffered “total collapse”.}}}}

{{{{These are the words not of al-Qaeda’s enemies but of one of its own leaders in Anbar province — once the group’s stronghold. They were set down last summer in a 39-page letter seized during a US raid on an al-Qaeda base near Samarra in November.}}}}

{{{{The US military released extracts from that letter yesterday along with a second seized in another November raid that is almost as startling. }}}}

{{{{That second document is a bitter 16-page testament written last October by a local al-Qaeda leader near Balad, north of Baghdad. “I am Abu-Tariq, emir of the al-Layin and al-Mashahdah sector,” the author begins. He goes on to describe how his force of 600 shrank to fewer than 20.}}}}

Yeah, a real “failure.”

Look, we even got al Qaeda whining just like a pinko does:

{{{{“We were mistreated, cheated and betrayed by some of our brothers,” he says. “Those people were nothing but hypocrites, liars and traitors and were waiting for the right moment to switch sides with whoever pays them most.”}}}}

Bwa.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

[Bush says McCain will best cary out his agenda - OH GOODY MORE OF THE SAME] (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/bush-mccain-will-best-carry-out-my-agenda/)

AND[John Bolton thinks McCain will be tougher than Bush on Iran OH JOY MORE WAR] (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/bolton-mccain/)

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

[This woman needs to be dipped in pine tar ointment and left to pop] (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/coulter-leads-yaf-speech-with-edwards-joke/)

AND

WHAT”S GOING ON IN THE GOP BRAIN - How Conservatives Can Manage McCain …

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Hey Duh, Have you noticed how the libs wave the flag of global warming when it’s hot for a few days/weeks in August, but discount the bitter cold across the northern plains as just “variations in the weather”?

I guess that’s what you have to do when you rely on sketchy science to base your “theory” of global warming. Every little warm trend has to be proof or you’re left with actually thinking.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Off to keep the economic engine of the nation humming along (and to pay for the occupation).

But quick observation before I go. Reaganism is dead. Except to those who are brain-dead. And McCain’s insincere overtures to it mean nothing. He is much too smart to keep trying to get that dead horse to pull the load.

That neo-con wing of the party has proven itself immoral and incompetent and is beyond redemption. The hope of the GOP now lies in the McCain, Guiliani, Schwarzenegger wing.

In other words the non-phony conservative wing.

Enjoy your day all.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Hey Duh, Have you noticed how the libs wave the flag of global warming when it’s hot for a few days/weeks in August, but discount the bitter cold across the northern plains as just “variations in the weather”?

I guess that’s what you have to do when you rely on sketchy science to base your “theory” of global warming. Every little warm trend has to be proof or you’re left with actually thinking.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

{{{{Howard Dean, who was elected chairman of the Demokratic National Kommittee after the 2004 elections in a rare manifestation of internal party democracy, let it be known he would be happy to mediate with the two candidates and pick a nominee in March or April. It was occasion for laughter in both the KKKlinton and Obama camps.}}}}

Yeah, now I’m laughing too.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

This">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/coulter-leads-yaf-speech-with-edwards-joke/">This woman needs to be dipped in pine tar ointment and left to pop

LOOK

ANdyDUHammmoZELLgodsandgunsRB is talking to himself!

By @@

February 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

You do have it in you ml.

This is one of your “rare” funnies that made me laugh.

(((Taliban commander Mansour Dadullah reportedly has died from injuries after a gunfight between Taliban and Pakistani security forces in the southwestern part of the Pakistani province of Baluchistan, The Guardian reported Feb. 11. A senior military official told reporters that Dadullah died while en route to a hospital, but the Pakistani Interior Ministry has not yet confirmed the report. The Pakistani security forces and Taliban fighters clashed in the village of Gowal Ismail Zai, near the town of Zhob.)))

Waiting for confirmation.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

GOP: McCain is Chilling, But We’ll Vote For Him

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

No matter how you feel about Reagan, you have to admit, the man had some great hair. I wonder if it was real.

ITN,

Your 8:27 made me think of something. The way the GOPers are worshipping Reagan these days, I wonder if in about 300-400 years he’ll evolve into some kind of divinity.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 11, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

I think that McCain would stand a chance if he selected a different costume.

Instead of Reagan’s big plastic hair, perhaps a crew cut and an Eisenhower jacket!

By @@

February 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

ITN:

Have you ever asked yourself why the Democrats love their candidates?

Is it because there is virtually no difference in policy platforms. It’s the same as it has been for the last 30 years.

I’ve always wondered why they call themselves the “progressive” party.

Clinton and Obama aren’t disagreeing over issues; they’re fighting for POWER.

Conservatives are battling with their potential nominee over issues. We’re the party of diversity.

By Copyleft

February 11, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

“Have you noticed how the libs wave the flag of global warming when it’s hot for a few days/weeks in August, but discount the bitter cold across the northern plains as just variations in the weather?”

That would be a powerful argument—IF it were true. Of course, knowledgeable people don’t consider seasonal weather patterns indicative of larger climate issues at all… which is why nobody goes around claiming that a stretch of hot weather in August is “proof of global warming,” as you pretend.

But hey—don’t let the facts get in the way of your denial!

By Soothsayer

February 11, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

All of you Reagan worshippers should realize that Reagan/Bush created more debt/deficit spending during their presidencies than ALL of the previous presidents in US history COMBINED (including Kennedy and Johnson - supposedly big spenders).

Where did all of the money go? You guessed it! To the military industrial complex. Talk about wealth redistribution!

For all of you LuckoDUNCE clones, Bush Jr has not only carried on the Reagan/Bush Sr spending but has raised it to a new level. One that puts this country’s national debt approaching $10 trillion.

Oh, and don’t forget that most of Bush Jr’s presidency he has had a rubber stamp Repub majority in both houses of Congress.

By mm

February 11, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Yeah, those conservatives are battling over the issues:

“I’m Ronald Reagan’s clone”.

“I’m going to stay in Iraq for 100 years”.

“I’m going to cut taxes again”.

In case these morons haven’t noticed, these are the issues that have America p*ssed off. Only the 30% club is paying attention to this crap.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Will a day ever go by when the lame~o goon pinkos on this blog don’t whine about Luckoduh?

~~~~~

Well, well, Paul Krugman, New York Times, has finally said something I agree with:

{{{{For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November.}}}}

{{{{I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.}}}}

By @@

February 11, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Soothsayer:

I’ve been wanting to ask this question after watching a documentary on the History Channel.

(((Where did all of the money go? You guessed it! To the ——>military industrial complex.<—— Talk about wealth redistribution!)))

The documentary covered this Military Industrial Complex:

“‘The Underground Nation’ - The RAND symposium held on Deep Underground Construction indicated that plans were hatched during the 50’s to build underground bases, laboratories, & city-complexes linked by a stupendous network of tunnels to preserve & protect the ongoing secret interests of the secret societies. These secret societies made a pact with alien entities in order to further motives of domination…”

(((“At least three of these vehicles are stored in hangers at Norton AFB, California. It is alleged that vehicle propulsion units were constructed by General Electric & composite materials were provided by Amoco. Alien vehicles generate an artificial gravity field which can be focused & intensified for high speed travel… Alien organisms and biological technology are tested (in the upper levels - Branton) at the underground biogenetic laboratories at Dulce, New Mexico. Alien genetic engineering, cloning, & cryogenic technology have been studied with a view towards ‘enhancing’ human genetics, deciphering the human genome, & gaining a biological advantage by ARTIFICIAL BIOLOGICAL ENGINEERING. Strange life forms have been bred in these laboratories…”)))

Is ^^^ that the MIC you’re “thinking” about?

Are you a nut?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

{{{{{Oh, and don’t forget that most of Bush Jr’s presidency he has had a rubber stamp Repub majority in both houses of Congress.}}}}}

Three of President Bush’s seven years have had at least one chamber of Congress controlled by the opposition party and he’ll finish his Presidency with 4 of 8.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Congressman Lantos (D-CA) has died. RIP Congressman.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

ITS NOT JUST THE WHITE HOUSE WE’LL BE WINNING!

House Republicans approach record departures

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

By mm 9:33 AM

{{{Yeah, those conservatives are battling over the issues:}}} Change and Hope are not issues, they’re slogans/sound bites. Tell us what issues Clinton and Obama disagree on.

{{{“I’m Ronald Reagan’s clone”.}}} I notice none of the Dems are claiming to be clones of former Dem presidents. Can you imagine, “i’m a Carter clone” or “i’m a clinton clone”. How far back do you have to go to find a Dem president who was decent enough to claim as your mentor? Laughable, but not funny.

“I’m going to stay in Iraq for 100 years”. Taken a little out of context and a bit dishonest don’t you think.

“I’m going to cut taxes again”. Didn’t Obama propose the same thing? If not, what exactly is the Dems plan to boost the economy? Gee, Maybe they don’t have one???

{{{In case these morons haven’t noticed, these are the issues that have America p*ssed off. Only the 30% club is paying attention to this crap. }}} In case you haven’t noticed, the uncontrolled spending is what the conservatives are p** off about with the Bush admin and the R congress. That’s why they lost in ‘06. Speaking of that, what happened to all that “change” the Dems promised when they took control??

Let’s face it EVERYBODY. We need term limits badly. Politicians on both sides are buying power and job security with the people’s money. They all need to go work in the private sector for a few years and get a clue what their policies are doing to the rest of us.

By @@

February 11, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

About Obama…I have a question:

(((Two days ago (Monday, February 4, 2008), The Standard, a Nairobi-based national newspaper published on its front page the heart-rending picture of the Kenyan Minister of Special Programmes, Dr. (Mrs.) Naomi Shabaan, carrying a two-day old baby, John Nduati, who was born at one of the very “inhospitable and squalid camps” where hapless Kenyans, brutally displaced by the insane political crises that have engulfed their country for more than a month now, have sought refuge.)))

(((This tender child never asked to be born at this time. He neither knows President Mwai Kibaki nor Mr. Raila Odinga, whose bitter quarrel over the disputed December 27 polls have continued to exact enormous toll on their once beautiful and peaceful country. Hopefully, someone would preserve a copy of last Monday’s The Standard and show it to this hapless boy when he grows up. I doubt if he will forgive all those who had plunged his nation into such horrible crises and caused him to be born in such an inhuman condition that brings tears to the eyes of even the most hard-hearted.)))

(((Standing in a makeshift camp with 300 other displaced people, mostly Kikuyus, David said he was chased from his home in late December by a mob of Luos and Kalenjins supporting opposition leader Raila Odinga.

(((Almost every member of Kibaki’s Kikuyu tribe fled the city as people from rival ethnic groups took the streets. No Kikuyu-owned shop or business remains open — all have been smashed, looted and burned. They have been stripped even of their corrugated iron roofs.)))

(((Now that the town has been emptied of Kikuyus, gangs are looking for new targets, residents say.)))

(((Haroun Wandalo said young men armed with machetes have demanded to search his house three times in the past weeks even though he belongs to an ethnic groups that voted for the opposition.)))

I’ll get to the Obama question in the next post…

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Kristol is advising McCain on foreign policy

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

I’m glad someone pushed the reset button on ITFS. When his “family” comes to admire his spam they’ll be really worried about those first few efforts.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 324

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Gates: Iraq Drawdown May Be Delayed

By Apocalypse

February 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

In true Clinton fashion, tasteless to say the least!

I don’t want to insult you with my horrific Spanish these days, anyways Billary dropped her Latina Campaign Manager after seizing allot of the Latino Vote and Now she is trying to Buy black votes. She hired one of her long time black female advisor’s as her new Campaign Manager it is a desperate immoral move that I hope is widely exposed factually, the truth is the truth and Hillary is now showing her true colors now that she is losing the election., in true Clinton fashion.

It isn’t right and I find it insulting to all. People are smarter than that Hillary! (White, Black, Latino, Asian, Blue, Purple, Red, Young, Old, Rich & Poor).

Tasteless to say the least.

Don’t get me wrong it isn’t I don’t think that a black woman is worthy of running Hillary’s campaign (obviously, I’m a Obama supporter) however the timing is simply way to convenient and I believe she is simply using this woman in one last desperate move. I hope this backfires as it should right in her face!

Enough of these divisive power moves by these rich old crusty politicians!

Change Is Coming!

PLEASE copy and paste this or rephrase this info to spread voter awareness and to demonstrate the Hillary Clinton’s character level or lack there of I should say.

Thank You to EVERYONE in the movement, your hard work is showing!

I appreciate your friendship and believe together America Si Se Puede!, and YES WE WILL!

Thank You Maine! You Rock! As does every state that has voted Obama!

www.barackobama.com www.myspace.com/barackobama

Official Story Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23099005/

By @@

February 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

(((Whether Mr. Odinga has ordered his men to commit murder and arson is unclear. But his own background does not exactly suggest enthusiasm for democracy and the rule of law. Mr. Odinga’s father, Oginga Odinga, led the Communist opposition during the Cold War and Raila Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany.)))

(((Indeed, the connection may be even closer than a tribal one. Mr. Odinga even claims that Mr. Obama is his cousin, because the senator’s father was Mr. Odinga’s maternal uncle. Whether or not this true, the two men are friends and political allies.)))

(((In August 2006, Mr. Obama visited Kenya and spoke in support of Mr. Odinga’s candidacy at rallies in Nairobi. The Web site Atlas Shrugs has even posted a photograph of the two men side by side. More recently, Mr. Odinga says that Mr. Obama interrupted his campaigning in New Hampshire to have a telephone conversation with his African cousin about the constitutional crisis in Kenya.)))

(((What should Americans make of Mr. Obama’s Kenyan connection? If he has been putting tribal or family considerations above America’s national interest by supporting Mr. Odinga’s anti-Western candidacy, it raises serious questions about his judgement.)))

(((At the time of his visit in 2006, President Kibaki’s spokesman complained that Mr. Obama was behaving like a “stooge” of Mr. Odinga — which was at best undignified for a visiting American senator, and at worst unwarranted interference in the internal politics of another country.)))

(((Even more serious are the doubts raised by Mr. Obama’s attitude toward Islam, which has so far received much less scrutiny than might be expected in a post-September 11 presidential election.)))

(((If Mr. Obama did not know about Mr. Odinga’s electoral deal with the Kenyan Islamists when he offered his support, then he should have known. If he did know, then he is guilty of lending the prestige of his office to America’s enemies in the global war on terror. We need to know exactly what Mr. Obama knew about Mr. Odinga, and precisely when he knew it.)))

Is this true? Is Odinga Obama’s cousin, and has Obama addressed the violence Odinga is perpetrating in Kenya?

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Just an observation

“Will a day ever go by when the lame~o goon pinkos on this blog don’t whine about Luckoduh?”

later

I’m glad someone pushed the reset button on ITFS. When his “family” comes to admire his spam they’ll be really worried about those first few efforts.

Truly an Army of ONE

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Democrats are fighting over power. Meanwhile the GOP is fighting over whether they like power more than principles. Nominating McCain, who they all hate but was the only one with even a prayer of winning the White House, gives us the first answer to that question. Clinton and Obama are both carrying the flag of the progressive party, and the Democrats see no problem with either. For us it’s who’s the best leader. For the GOP it’s “can we push through someone we hate because he’s nominally one of us”. If GOP had any principles they would never nominate McCain. Obviously they don’t.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

If you’re actually up for a discussion your analysis at 10:05 has some merit, but also some significant flaws.

Let’s take McCain first. He isn’t hated by the GOP he just has serious problems with each segment of the GOP, but also has a strength that ties him to each segment. For instance the national security conservatives are very upset with him over immigration, but extremely pleased with his staunch position on continuing the fight against Islamic extremists. He’s a mixed bag to be sure, but not widely hated.

The other place I think you miss the mark is thinking the Democrat electorate as a whole would be equally happy with Obama or Clinton. The youth vote is much less likely to turn out for Clinton and the moderates that overwhelmingly are supporting Obama would be more inclined to move to McCain in a race against Clinton. There is also the very real phenomenon that many of the Obama followers have become something of a cult and aren’t likely to ever support anyone else in this race.

Bottom line is I believe we’ll either have a President Obama or a President McCain, but not another President Clinton.

Your thoughts?

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Meanwhile @@ keeps pounding the idiotic, racist and discredited “Obama is an islamist” game. Oh, and, as usual, she posts wholesale articles without citing her sources. Which, in this case, is yet another right-wing nutjob blog, this one with a Jewish flag shamefully draped over the headlines.

What a waste of protoplasm…

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

RW,

Is that the new “swiftboat” term for Obama - cult? I find if highly amusing that you would categorize Obama supporters as cultist while ignoring the Bush worship we’ve seen these past few years.

By A kind and gentle poster who loves @@

February 11, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

@@,

Sweetheart. Using race to criticize Obama just shows that the GOP has nowhere else to go.

Just thought you’d like to know.

Kisses.

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Bosch — thank you. Well put.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’m sorry that you don’t see it, but most of the observations of the Obama supporters being like a cult are coming from other Obama supporters.

I defy you to find examples of years of worshiping President Bush here. Every single person on my side of the aisle has expressed likes and dislikes about certain Bush policies or nominations, sometimes quite vehemently. If there is any blind following going on it is from many on your side that can never find any good in anything he’s done.

By Devastator

February 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

What do you call 20- 25% of a nation that believes in illegally invading a country and killing innocent women,children,and men on the basis that one guy said it was cool?

Give up?…….A Cult!

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch February 11, 2008 10:32 AM Is that the new “swiftboat” term for Obama - cult? I find if highly amusing that you would categorize Obama supporters as cultist while ignoring the Bush worship we’ve seen these past few years.}}}}

Um:

{{{{I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a ((((cult of personality.))))-Paul Krugman, New York Times}}}}

Uh, so would anyone else like to call Krugman a wingnut, besides borsch and rushncrap?

~~~~~

How do you like the Obama campaign strategy?

Wingnut: Mr. Obama, where do you stand on the issue of gay marriage?

Mr. Obama: Racism! Racism!

By @@

February 11, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Hellooooooo! Where did I use race? Obama is bi-racial so…….?

I asked two questions which no one has answered. I was on a fact-finding mission. The reason there are no sources sited (Atlas Shrugs was mentioned in one of my quotes) is because they were multiple and ml doesn’t allow multiple links. I’ll go back and see if I can reconstruct the sources.

I’ve always told you guys that I research multiple sources.

I am more concerned with Obama’s lack of judgment. I can HOPE he knows what he’s doing but that and a dime won’t get me much, if anything at all.

By Devastator

February 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

RW,

Read my 10:43 to Bosch. There’s the answer to your quiery.

By getalife

February 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Yep @@ is giving you a glimpse of how the gop will attack him if he is the nominee.

Obama has won many States but the delagates are too close to call. The timing of Clinton replacing her manager was brilliant. The MSM is covering it more than Obama’s wins to try to stop the big mo.

Big State primaries go to Clinton and with Florida and superdelegates, she should win.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Regarding “Cult”

RW and I touched on this Friday evening.

Here’s the exchange:

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

RW

Come on get with it! Cult and Messianic are so yesterday. Really.

Impossible anyway. Didn’t Saint Ann of Coulterville tell you we were GODLESS?

The problem with a serious discussion of the cult of personality is that it is a matter of taste.

I like Obama. He’s a hero.

I didn’t like Reagan. He was a zero.

Have we not heard “the house that Reagan built” as frequently as the word “change”? I have heard Reagan fans talk about him as if he were the second coming.

Obama 08 or Hillary 08

By RW-(the original)©

February 8, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

I’m only quoting the writings of an Obama voter and her discomfort with the way the crowds around his campaign are like cultists. Perhaps you should take it up with her.

I have no trouble discerning that he never says a substantive word.

I think the use of cult is just being slime tested. They picked it up (or planted it) and now they’ll toss it around.

By mm

February 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

RW,

Please detail something good Bush did that did not negatively impact the economy, the environment, the middle class, the budget deficit, the national debt, the international reputation of the US, the elderly, or the poor.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Demonstrator,

What do you call someone that thinks your 10:43 to Bosch has any basis in reality?

Give up?…….A moron

By the way, where is the question I asked that your 10:43 would even remotely begin to address?

By Lord Chaos

February 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

Would you mind translating your 10:48 into english for us please?

Thanks.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

RW,

Observations of the Obama supporters being like a cult are coming from other Obama supporters? What? Please explain.

Bush has given millions of relief to Africa. That’s good.

Accomplishments are all relative. In your book, Clinton and Carter did nothing right while in office.

You can deny it all you want, or choose not to see it as well, but the neo-con movement, highlighted in past years by vehement Bush followers in this country, has been much more cultish by definition.

Although I will admit that the Bush worship has seemed to die down now that he is so unpopular, and no candidate for the GOP wants to be near him or even have his name whispered in the same sentence with their own.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

That last line of my above post was my statement…..not RW’s I should have been clearer.

By Devastator

February 11, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Damn another shooting in Memphis…anyway, MSNBC is the only network doing that, but guess what, it’s not going to work. People aren’t as stupid as they think they are.

If Clinton wins with those kind of tactics, then good luck with the base in November.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Does W talk to God?

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Does W talk to God?

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Does W talk to God?

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Does W talk to God?

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Does W talk to God?

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I don’t think “cult” will fly past the primaries, if Obama beats Clinton. But the point is, the Repubs need Clinton to carry the Dem primaries, otherwise they reeeeeally have no shot. So they seem to be hoping to use this term to sway the primaries, then shelve it for the general elections, no matter who wins.

Of course this is from the side whose adoration of Reagan would make Kim Jong Il blush…

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

It’s kind of a silly game to blame or praise a President solely for everything that happens in our lives or the country. So when you get to a laundry list like (m)ental (m)idget laid out you would have to take a specific decision and see how other events as well as Congress factored in.

Clinton did sign welfare reform which turned out to be a very good thing and is really his signature achievement, but he had also vetoed essentially the same bill twice.

Carter was good for sweater sales.

(m)ental (m)idget,

Are you saying that all of those things/people have been destroyed by a specific action of President Bush?

Aren’t people primarily responsible for their own lives?

This one is probably over your head, but most any policy decision will impact someone negatively.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Thanks, I was pretty sure I never typed that last line.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Well dang, Roy Scheider died too. RIP Roy!

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Any army needs a mission in any war. That mission is necessarily formed by the strategic vision of a country which itself is a direct result of the founding purpose of that country.

SO what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

I’ve posed that question for five years on various blogs and have never received an answer. The GOP is too afraid to answer me. They have no idea what the mission is, in fact, they never knew an army needed a mission to fight a war with. They think life is just shoot em up and steal the gold.

The USA is the pirate movie. There’s the mission!

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Since when is supporting the legal government of the USA and the President a cult? What do you call elections? A rock concert or something?

Followers of Obama are young, “swooning” and crying over their idol. That is, somewhat like the followers of Elvis, whom would have named their beloved on any vote needed.

Obama is “charming” his followers and not by reason. It’s a cult thing.

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Dusty, pipe down. Adults are talking today. Go sit in your room.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

If you want to have some fun…. google variations on the Cult of Reagan.

GOP talking points: Slime tested and ready to roll!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

So rushncap thinks the cult thing will only last through the primaries and Mrs. G thinks it’s planted. I agree with rushncap and am open to the possibility raised by Mrs. G.

So why do you both seem to think it’s Republicans doing this? It would seem that Mrs. Clinton would be the one that would gain from this if it isn’t true and she’s well versed in the art of planting.

By Devastator

February 11, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Allow me to answer your question:

Its a cult when a president, according to both past and present evidence, lied to his countrymen and allies and lead them blindly into a war with innocent civilians that distracts said countrymen from the perpetrators who launched attacks against them.

The evidence of this is the lack of verbal support from his constituants of the same party who are trying to replace him and one of the lowest approval ratings in American history.

Clear?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Dear AJC,

Even though you now have your odd little warning in bright red letters up ^^^ there, it isn’t possible to post a comment when a comment box isn’t there.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

So, I’m assuming that if Obama or Clinton win in November, you will have nothing but complete admiration and respect for them. After all, I would expect nothing else from a patriot like yourself.

RW,

So, if it’s a silly game to blame the president solely for things that happen to the country, why do Carter bashers have no problem in blaming him, and him alone, for the economic downfall in the late 70s? Are you sure it was Carter that was good for the boosting of sale of those sweaters or was Congress to blame for some of that too?

I’m not sure about this, but maybe Clinton vetoed those welfare reform bills because there was garbage attached to it. That’s usually the case for both sides.

I was bummed to hear about Roy Scheider too. “You’re gonna need a bigger boat” - classic.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

WHAT IS THE MISSION FOR US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

Notice no answer. Because there is no mission other than defense industry profiteering and foreign policy adventurism.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

WHAT IS THE MISSION FOR US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

Notice no answer. Because there is no mission other than defense industry profiteering and foreign policy adventurism.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

WHAT IS THE MISSION FOR US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

Notice no answer. Because there is no mission other than defense industry profiteering and foreign policy adventurism.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

By Devastator 10:43 AM

What do you call US Senators who voted for this war in the beginning and then when it became politically popular to do so, claim they were misled and didn’t read the intel reports they were given?

Liars.

Liars with sheep for followers.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

By Devastator 10:43 AM

What do you call US Senators who voted for this war in the beginning and then when it became politically popular to do so, claim they were misled and didn’t read the intel reports they were given?

Liars.

Liars with sheep for followers.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

The bill was hammered out in a compromise with the Republican-controlled Congress, and many Democrats were critical of Clinton’s decision to sign the bill, saying it was much the same as the two previous welfare reform bills he had vetoed. In fact, it emerged as one of the most controversial issues for Clinton within his own party.

According to Dick Morris there was no real difference in the bills. The only thing that was different was that polls showed it was extremely popular and another veto could have cost Clinton his reelection.

Bosch, Why would you go straight to the word “blame” for the sweater boom? It was probably great for sweater makers, salespeople, and moths.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

RW,

“it isn’t possible to post a comment when a comment box isn’t there.”

I have to admit, I’ve pondered the same thing.

Maybe it’s some kind of transcendental question: how do we post if there’s no box - is the box really there?

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

RW,

So you are solely blaming Carter for the economic downfall of the late 70s?

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

If this blog is for adults, why are you here?

Devastator,

You are so blind that you don’t think there are terrorists in Iraq? You overlook the fact that Iraqis are voting and doing much of their own protection with their own military? That is because we helped them overcome a dictator and fight terrorism with them.

Now, you may not like that but I am all for freedom from terrorism for us and Iraqis and citizens of Afghanistan. I gather that you don’t care. But Americans are going to elect a man who will protect our country, not an anti-war Obama or a flip flopping Hillary.

Bosch,

you have asked the same dumb question over and over. I support the president of the United States but no worship (which you imply). When Presidents cheat and lie,(Nixon & Clinton) I do not support them. When they will not fight for the rights and freedom of this country, I do not support them.

Ho hum. I guess you will ask again tomorrow because you are anti-war even if terrorists try to take over our country. That is their plan now.

But go ahead. Sleep through it. Maybe your children and Obama’s won’t mind suppression. I plan to fight it now and not leave it for mine.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

By Political Foreskin

{{{WHAT IS THE MISSION FOR US TROOPS IN IRAQ?}}}

This question has been answered so many times on this blog and in other places, it makes me wonder if you can’t read or just plain choose to ignore it for the purpose of continuing to bash Bush endlessly. The question no longer deserves a reply. You wouldn’t accept it or recognize it anyway, so why bother.

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Here’s a talking point -

If Romney quit the race to avoid “aiding a surrender to terror” is McCain or Huckabee a surrender monkey since they are still in the race?

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

By Political Foreskin

{{{WHAT IS THE MISSION FOR US TROOPS IN IRAQ?}}}

This question has been answered so many times on this blog and in other places, it makes me wonder if you can’t read or just plain choose to ignore it for the purpose of continuing to bash Bush endlessly. The question no longer deserves a reply. You wouldn’t accept it or recognize it anyway, so why bother.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Superdelegates are not bound by the primary results and are exclusively democrats.

The GOP also has excessively-influential, free-floating delegates not bound by the primaries, but they’re called Saudis.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Didn’t my 11:17 answer your 12:02?

By IN THE NEWS

February 11, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

McCain: The Audacity of Gloom VIDEO

By Dubya

February 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Iraq. We have yet to win a single battle there. With all our airpower, tanks, etc., which the “enemy” lacks completely. Not a single battle. “The surge.” “Bring it on.” We have defeated no one. Our “enemy” simply has wisely temporarily drawn down, is relaxing and planning, while waiting and watching. “Mission Complished.” God bluss Mucuh. Allah akbar!

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

RB, that’s the answer the right has given since march of 03. I have asked, “What’s the mission”, and all the answers have been, “If you dont know by now, we’re not telling you.”

You cant enunciate a mission. You’re afraid to. It’s way over your head. You haven’t the geo-political knowledge, nor the military knack for expressing yourself in terms of a mission. You’re simply a troll trying to take up space on a listless blog in a sea of change where you and your unmustachioed ilk are obsolete, ridiculed, despised, and feces fodder.

If you weren’t such a symptom of a disease of ideas artificially entrenched and perpetuated by corruption and ignorance, then you would only be pathetic. Instead, you’re simply a chore for natural selection. Be yourself. Play it out. Be. Be….Beeeeeee…..Beelzebub (and idiot)

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Mission Iraq: What is it?

What is that mission of US troops in Iraq?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

If anyone is reading in Connecticut it’s a special week over at Yale

You’ve gotta love what our institutes of higher learning have been reduced to. /sarc

By Ralph

February 11, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Well now, Mr./Ms. Foreskin.(12:33) Aptly put. Concise. Accurate. Truthful. Inarguable. The lot of them are a disgrace and a stench in the nostrils of the very words, “decency” and “intellect.”

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

ITN, in regards to your 9:42, I was thinking today about the consequences of this “new” GOP’s massive misgovernance.

That they may well lose the White House is not in dispute.

Nor, I think is the likelihood that they may lose MANY more seats in Congress.

That 25 Republican US Congressmen have already jumped ship, really exemplifies the blowback against “conservative” incompetence and lack of ethics. (Only 4 Dems are planning on leaving Congress so far).

And 5 senior Republican US Senators are bolting - 4 cut n run neo-cons and one who is probably truly disgusted with his party for the right reasons - Hagel.

(And though we live in the Moron Belt, and the chances are not likely, ousting that “courageous” Saxby Chambliss would be the greatest of the many November presents for Georgians.)

And the number of GOP defectors is almost certainly going to go (much?) higher.

But I, for one, don’t think the Dems having that much control is necessarily a good thing for the country. At least historically it hasn’t been, but perhaps they can demonstrate some real change themselves.

We just may get the opportunity to see.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Iraq is a base. an army base. We have sent excursions into the civilian population of Iraq and secured neighborhoods, but they’re no more effective than our excursions into indian territory from our forts in the old west. We slaughtered some indian families, but it didnt’ change the fact that the indians were still indians or that they’d slaughter the pioneers if we left. Once we invaded indian territory, we could never leave it.

In Iraq, the surge’s success is being spun by the Bush Base as changing the fabric of Iraqi society so that we can point to an eventual victory and peace with a democratic government in our wake.

The surge has made superdelegates of the Sunnis. the surge has made a congress out of the shia. they are no longer competing sects, but rather a parliament of polite discourse and reasonable ombudsmen.

And there’s still about 25 or 30% of americans who believe that saddam was the pilot in all four 911 hijacked planes that flew into the WTC and the pentegon, and who, disquised as mild mannered Osama bin laden, still fights a never ending battle for sheep, terror, and the unamerican way!!!!

By @@

February 11, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Well crap! I reconstructed my sources, posted it and they miss-appeared.

Google Odinga+Obama+Islamist or Kenya+Civil War.

Turns out Obama did contact Odinga (connection please) to ask that he reconcile with the opposition to end the conflict. Reuters I think.

Now somewhere I read where Odinga promised to rewrite the constitution to adhere to Sharia, the one true law.

I’m off to check it out.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

All you need to comprehend Republicans is embodied in the ‘KKKlinton’ language of the last vestiges of Dixiecrat bigots ala Luckoduh.

Many Republicans now understand that a majority of our society sees them for what they truely are, bigots who have become ashamed of their own ideology and who must hide behind rhetoric to try to convince the gullible that they are not rascists, they are just misunderstood and really want the best for people of color through ‘tough love’.

Now the problem with that thought is that Democtrats are running an African American and a woman candidate while the Republicans continue to exclude minorities from their ranks. It will take more than lip service to convince America’s minorities that Republicans are not bigots. It takes the thing that Republicans have never been able to find the backbone to do… take ACTION.

For the real scoop on Republicans and bigotry, never listen to a word that they say; instead LOOK and SEE what they ACTUALLY DO.

By Political Foreskin

February 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Superdelegates are Democratic Delegates not bound by the primary results. Only Democrats are referred to as “Superdelegates”.

The GOP also has over-influential delegates not bound by primary results or voter’s wishes, but they’re called Saudis.

I wish to formally request that RW the original be banned from blogging here anymore, come on, he mocks the rules, and blogs after hours and then mocks the warning, Luckovich, he’s making a travesty of this forum.

It’s easy to post after hours. You simply save your comment boxes up. RW saves a dozen or more so that he can disrespect this forum and it’s contributors and then laugh. He’s laughing at all of us. He’s laughing now. We have challenges to face in this unjustified war and there’s no room for clowns like RW.

I demand we make an example of this cheap hood, RW, and ban him forever from commenting here.

Luckovich: he’s dissin’ you man. People are talkin’. they be saying that maybe you aint gots what it takes to lead the gang no mo. They be lookin to takes over. You need to sets da examples.

Ban RW forever. I gots to know. Cause He gots to go.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 11, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ahh Yale — a true school of higher learning — (and diverse learning too). Yay — !

Yeah — It would have been better for all of us if M.Malkins parents had truly practiced abstinance rather than had that dirty sex —

)grin(

-=-

John McCain — endorsed by Brother Dubya (and God)- —

John McCain (AKA Bush lite) will be herefore now known as Dumbya Jr. -

Complete with Hickabelly Finn as his running mate (Bringing God to every corner of the globe with our troops blood).

Now pay up you american taxpayerz — and buy at Walmart so we can pay for invading — I mean helping out those poor opressed Iranian People - and bring Democracy to them by killing them!

Cheers’

By RE

February 11, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

I have heard the word “cult” thrown around a lot today.

So far as cults go, the republican cannonization of Ron Reagan gets a little freaky at times. How many times at debates do GOP candidates reference Ron Reagan. I Understand it though, they need at least on GOP president to look back upon fondly, before Reagan you would have to go back to lincoln for a good GOP president.

But Obama supporters as a cult? I don’t think so. When looking at the candidates, I know what to expect from clinton, a 50%+1 strategy with a divided country, more of what we have had for the last 28 years. She would be capable as president, she would make some good decisions, some bad, the divide between rightwing and democrats would still exist and be as nasty as it ever was. With McCain, I see a more united country with a true patriot who has dedicated his life to his country, the divisions between left and right would still be there but not as nasty as it would be with clinton.

So with Obama, I do have hope that he may be able to bridge the gap and unite the country. It might not happen, but I hope it will, maybe the people in this country can step back and see themselves as americans again. So if my choice is between a proven divisive candidate, and an unproven candidate who might be able to work for common american goals, I say take the chance, don’t settle for less because it is what you are used to.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

PF- RW,Luckoduh, and like minded hatefilled mongers are the best arguments against Republicanism that are possible. Please do not ban them, the public needs to continue to see for as they truely are.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Besides blogging complete nonsense day and night, what exactly are you doing to fight our imminent suppression from the evil terrorists? You sound more like a paranoid sociopath than a patriot with your “the terrorists are planning to take over” warnings.

Are we back to the same old line, “It’s better for fight the terrorists over there instead of over here” nonsense? Haven’t you wingnuts beat that dead horse into the ground enough?

The sky isn’t falling.

But if the sky does start to fall and the mean, bad “terrorists” do happen to make it over here, and start rounding up my neighbors and fellow Americans and executing them, or if they militarily take over the government and execute our president for the entire world to witness, then I’ll pick up a gun and start shooting, and admit I should have listened to you.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 1:08 PM Many Republicans now understand that a majority of our society sees them for what they truely are, bigots who have become ashamed of their own ideology and who must hide behind rhetoric to try to convince the gullible that they are not rascists, they are just misunderstood and really want the best for people of color through ‘tough love’.}}}}

Republicans?

{{{{And let us not forget that during the same period it was Democrats throughout the United States who organized and ran America’s premier terrorist organization – the Ku Klux Klan.}}}}

{{{{And speaking of the Klan, remember the great Democrat President Woodrow Wilson?}}}}

{{{{In 1957, Orval Faubus, democrat, the governor of Arkansas, called out his state’s National Guard to prevent the integration of Central High School in Little Rock.}}}}

{{{{On June 11, 1963, Alabama Gov. George Wallace, democrat, stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama to block its integration.}}}}

{{{{Oh, by the way, do you know who is third in line? Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Old “Sheets” himself. The same Byrd of the “white n!!!!!s” comments on March 5, 2001, and who was a member of the KKK. And Sen. Byrd was not just any old member. No, sir. He was a “grand kleagle” – a recruiter!}}}}

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

RB, as you and everyone else here knows, I agree with virtually nothing you say, but I do with that 11:53.

I think some of the Dems displayed even less courage than the lock-step Republicans (if that was even humanly possible!) by voting to let-you-know-who do you-know-what.

True, no one could know for sure that this Alabama battle tested CIC would completely botch this entire episode, needlessly costing the nation thousands of her most precious sons and daughters lives and billions of dollars, but given his past resume, reasonable people should have presumed so. I did. (In the days following Sept. 11, one of my earlier thoughts was, “OH NO! NOT WITH THIS MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE! ANYBODY BUT HIM!”)

None of us can peer into the hearts of these people who initially supported this worst foreign policy blunder in US history, and it is possible that some did in fact later have their epiphanies. But I just doubt the sincerity of Clinton et al who NOW see the invasion as the wrong move. This is but one of the reasons I will not vote for her.

And sadly to this date, I don’t know of one single Republican, other than the combat veteran Hagel, who has had the courage to speak the truth about how this invasion and occupation was deceitful and wrong for any number of reasons. Gutless all.

These “leaders” decisions have us all on the line and we simply can no longer trust those, in either party, who will rubber stamp terrible, deadly and incompetent ideas just for political expediency.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Sgt. Evan Vela, 24, was found guilty of murder without premeditation, of aiding and abetting in planting an AK-47 on the dead man’s body and of lying to military investigators about the shooting. He had faced a possible life sentence. “This was an accident waiting to happen,” Culp told the jury of seven men and one woman in his closing argument. “These men were extremely, extremely sleep deprived and nobody was thinking clearly.”

So are troops are saying that the reason that atrocities such as this keep happening in Iraq is that Republicans have over-extended their duty assignments past the point of safe operations. Republicans continue to abuse and harm our soldiers in combat. Republicans do not honor our troops…they USE them. Even dogs are treated better than Republicans treat our military.

WASHINGTON - Multiple new efforts aimed at stemming suicides in the Army are falling short of their goal: The service anticipates another jump in the annual number of soldiers who killed themselves or tried to, including in the Iraq and Afghanistan war zones.

Congratulations Republicans, our soldiers would rather kill themselves than continue to do the duites you ask of them. Cowardly Republicans ask others to fight for them then do not plan for victory, support, armor, supplies, personael protection, reconstruction, potable water, etc. Those are not the actions/inactions of someone who cares.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Hmmm…I don’t recall ever being called a hatefilled monger before.

Polly Prepuce,

Tell you what I’ll do. When you tell me it’s 7:00 I’ll restart my computer and I’ll only post a comment if I get a comment box after the restart. Now according to the oddly worded little red warning up top (which isn’t red anymore by the way) if I do see a comment box it isn’t after 7:00 and I’ll have to surmise that you lied to me.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

{{{But if the sky does start to fall and the mean, bad “terrorists” do happen to make it over here, and start rounding up my neighbors and fellow Americans and executing them, or if they militarily take over the government and execute our president for the entire world to witness, then I’ll pick up a gun and start shooting, and admit I should have listened to you.}}}

Happen to make it over here??? They’re already here, Bosch. The 9/11 planes didn’t leave from the ME. You think those 20 were the only 20 like them in the US at the time and since?? And they don’t need to militarily take over the government, you’ll vote them into office. You’re already more tolerant and welcoming of Islam than you are of Christianity. Any you’ve already put 1 man in Washington who took his oath of office on the sacred book of a religion who’s objective is to become the one and only religion by force if necessary and to have government answer to it.

A wise man once told me “don’t stand there looking at the writing on the wall so long the wall falls on you”. Wake up, Bosch.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

How many blacks have Republicans run for the office of Ptesident? How many women have Republicans run for the office of President.

Nice thing about facts is that they are difficult to twist by Rovian Republicans.

The FACTS are that Republicans have not run even ONE woman or person of color for the office of President…and they won’t until they absolutely have to in order to stay a viable political party.

And that is the ultimate irony, that Republicans must now swallow their own bile and refuse to fess up to their rascist leanings, heritage, and principles.

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

RW is whining that Yale is acknowledging the fact that college students have sex. @@ is searching for “Obama + Islamist” on Google. Dusty is brushing her tooth, massaging her axon and writing variation on the “I know you are but what am I?” theme.

Ahhhh, just another day at the blog…

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 1:33 PM Sgt. Evan Vela, 24, was found guilty of murder without premeditation, of aiding and abetting in planting an AK-47 on the dead man’s body}}}}

Uh huh, sleep deprived in New Orleans?:

{{{{New Orleans - the bloodiest city in the country in 2006 - got even bloodier in 2007, with 209 murders. That was 48 more than in 2006, when its 161 homicides put its murder rate far ahead of even such deadly cities as Gary, Indiana, and Detroit.}}}}

“Non” combat zone^^.

From Spammie’s article:

{{{{The preliminary figures on 2007 show that among active duty soldiers and National Guard and Reserve troops that have been activated there were 89 confirmed suicides.}}}}

{{{{As of April 2007, about 1,426,700 people are on active duty in the military with an additional 1,458,500 people in the seven reserve components.}}}}

That equals a rate of 3.2 per 100,000.

{{{{In 2004, suicide was the third leading cause of death among youths and young adults aged 10—24 years in the United States, accounting for 4,599 deaths (1,2). During 1990—2003, the combined suicide rate for persons aged 10—24 years declined 28.5%, from 9.48 to 6.78 per 100,000 persons (2). However, from 2003 to 2004, the rate increased by 8.0%, from 6.78 to 7.32 (2), the largest single-year increase during 1990—2004.}}}}

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By RE

February 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

“Any you’ve already put 1 man in Washington who took his oath of office on the sacred book of a religion who’s objective is to become the one and only religion by force if necessary and to have government answer to it.”

Umm, isn’t that the goal of christianity as well?

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

It is good to see Republicans have to swallow their rascism now and claim they are inclusionary. Welcome to the 21st century bubbas.

Those pesky facts keep getting in their way, though. Republicans still haven’t run a minority for the oval office in 2008 while Democrats have proven they inclusionary stance since they ran Geraldine Anne Ferraro, D in 1984.

Democrats ran a woman to serve in the oval office over a quarter century ago. Republicans still try to drag their feet and live lives of exclusion as long as they can possibly get away with it. Thankfully, the days of bigotry are numbered in the Republican party, as they were in the Democratic party in the early 20th century.

By RE

February 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

“massaging her axon “

Funniest line of the day.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 1:46 PM And that is the ultimate irony, that Republicans must now swallow their own bile and refuse to fess up to their rascist leanings, heritage, and principles.}}}}

Yaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnn.

{{{{Also in more contemporary times, President Bush appointed two blacks to the highest positions in government ever occupied by blacks in America. Today, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (since promoted) and Secretary of State Colin Powell are very powerful, influential members of the Bush administration. Powell, in fact, is fourth in the succession line for the presidency.}}}}

Just another Jesse Jackso, oh wait, he’s just another demokrat being held down by the White Power.

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

By Tough Love 1:33 PM

I tell you what, TL. Why don’t you print a copy of that post, send it any of our troops in Iraq, and then post for us the reply you get. There are plenty of sources for names to send it to. Just pick one at random.

Be careful opening the return package.

RE — “by force if necessary “. We would love for you to become a Christian and would welcome you with open arms into the brotherhood of sinners we are. We won’t, however, cut your head off with a machete or feed you feet first into a wood chipper if you won’t. Please figure out the difference while you still can.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

{{{In 2004, suicide was the third leading cause of death among youths and young adults aged 10—24 years in the United States}}}

How about comparing pre-Republican military suicide rates ala Clinton administration with those of the Republican Bush administration. Afraid to do so?

This is typical of Rovian Republicans. In order to distract and confuse us they compare apples (adolescent civilian suicides) with oranges (active duty military suicides). Don’t be fooled, instead wait for a commparison of apples and apples. You won’t get one from the ‘Rover Republicans’, of course. Their’s is a twisted world of false comparsions and pseudo-logic.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

By Tough Love 1:33 PM

I tell you what, TL. Why don’t you print a copy of that post, send it any of our troops in Iraq, and then post for us the reply you get. There are plenty of sources for names to send it to. Just pick one at random.

Be careful opening the return package.

RE — “by force if necessary “. We would love for you to become a Christian and would welcome you with open arms into the brotherhood of sinners we are. We won’t, however, cut your head off with a machete or feed you feet first into a wood chipper if you won’t. Please figure out the difference while you still can.

By Aaron Burr V. Mexico

February 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

“Somewhere I read that a friend of my cousin got an email from an unverified source that said Barack Obama had an incestous relationship with Osama Bin Ladin’s third cousin and has 5% islamic blood in him. I SWEAR!”

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Here you go RB if you REALLY want the thoughts of some Iraq combat veterans.

Iraq Veterans Against the War

You will also find many Iraq vets that do agree with you in the military ranks. The difference between you and I is that I admit and allow them their voice while you will probably say that my voice and those of my brothers are irrelevant.

The current administration exercises retribution for current military members who speak out against the war and its’ mismanagement. Many of us must wait until our enlistments are up before we may speak without fear. Fear of our own government and ‘citizens’ like yourself.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

While it is history day at the Duh Report, let’s us examine some lessons from long ago:

Anybody who thinks the Civil War wasn’t about slavery is a pud puller, or a demokrat, one.

It was started by southern demokrat slave owners specifically because of Republican Abraham Lincoln’s election in 1860.

{{{{The immediate result of Lincoln’s victory was declarations of secession by South Carolina and other states, which were rejected as illegal by the then-current President, James Buchanan and President-elect Abraham Lincoln.}}}}

In 1864, Lincoln was hated (yes, there were surrender monkey pinkos in 1864,) because of the war, by an overwhelming majority (no Zogby numbers, sorry.)

Sound familiar?

{{{{In early 1864 Lincoln felt he was unlikely to win re-election, the war had not yet been decided. Despite this fact, the Republicans unanimously renominated Lincoln. The Democrats nominated General McClellan. The platform of the Democratic party called for a cease-fire.}}}}

And Lincoln was fighting for the slaves!

It just goes to show you that history is not decided by the cry babies of today.

By RE

February 11, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Christians haven’t done that for almost 100 years. Thanks for the clarification. Never did like the whole missionary “come to church and we will feed you” thing that goes on in africa. No bible, no food. but that is more coercion than force I guess.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 2:08 PM This is typical of Rovian Republicans. In order to distract and confuse us they compare apples (adolescent civilian suicides) with oranges (active duty military suicides). Don’t be fooled, instead wait for a commparison of apples and apples. You won’t get one from the ‘Rover Republicans’, of course. Their’s is a twisted world of false comparsions and pseudo-logic.}}}}

Oh yeah, it’s not pertinent to the argument at all that the suicide rate for the military is LOWER than that of the general public.

What is it with this stroker?

Mentally retarded or what?

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Indeed, another day at the blog.

The student assistant is back from correcting freshman papers to tell us how exceedingly clever he is. Oh, thrill! He’s learned a new word. Attaboy!

Did rushncap say what he was messaging? A neuron no doubt.

And dear Bosch the Brave is here too. He is ready to fight for his country as soon as the terrorists knock on his front door. Yes sir!

B & B, I support the people that fight terrorism NOW. So don’t you cry. Terrorists are not here yet (we think) so don’t start running. There’s already somebody fighting for you.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

RB,

You are so predictable. I knew you’d be the first to say, “Well what about 9/11”. I guess you disregarded the rest of my post.

I know perfectly well where the planes took off from, RB. I also am perfectly aware that there are probably terrorist cells here in this country. I am also keenly aware that we probably, in all likelihood, have not seen the last terrorist attack on US soil. I am awake, wingnut.

I do not however believe, that the terrorist will take over our government and our nation at large, take over our neighborhoods and invade our cities.

“And they don’t need to militarily take over the government, you’ll vote them into office.”

You’re not only paranoid and delusional, but absurd to the highest degree.

It is very disingenuous and very dishonest of you to insinuate that anyone would vote in a terrorist as POTUS.

“You’re already more tolerant and welcoming of Islam than you are of Christianity”

RB, I am a Christian, however, I welcome and am tolerant of all people and religions. Your fear and hatred of all things Islamic is very apparent, and you shouldn’t blame others who are tolerant for your own bigoted misgivings of Islam. It is not our tolerance of this religion that will be the downfall of our country as you would believe.

I don’t believe that I’ve personally placed anyone in Washington D.C. who has sworn those things.

However, your ignorance of Islam is very apparent, as you are again, very dishonestly trying to say that is the Koran’s objective.

If you are referring to Keith Ellison, I believe he was democratically elected in the state of Minnesota. Are you trying to say that we should only allow democracy in this country as long as the people elected fit into your narrow view of who is qualified and who is not? Are you saying that if people vote a Muslim into office, then their voice should be overruled by the Christian majority government?

You dare call liberals socialists on a regular basis, but are blind to your daily fascist rants.

Unbelieveable.

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

You’re cute when you run out of idea, Dusters.

By W stands for waterboarding

February 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dont worry my GOP faithful, Dick and i have the board out and are ready to apply to Rush and the GOP core to get them to vote for McCain, how else am i going to stay in the news if he doesnt continue my legacy?

By mm

February 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

As I’ve said before, you should not use the word “mental midget” if YOU defend every single thing Bush has done as “good”. That makes you a mental dwarf.

RB,

We would not have been attacked in the US if Bush and his morons had payed attention to the available information.

Duh,

In all the months of viewing this blog, I still have not seen you make a post that made sense or made a point. Name calling, now that’s a novel idea.

Dusty,

You really should find a new hobby. Being a mouthpiece for Rush isn’t working out for you.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

{{{Oh yeah, it’s not pertinent to the argument at all that the suicide rate for the military is LOWER than that of the general public.}}}

The change in the military suicide rate during the Republican administration has nothing to do with civilian adolescdent rates, whatsoever.

If you were comparing military vs civilian suicide rates it would indeed be relevant and your data is testament to the fact that military personnel are far more fit psychological subjects than the general adolescent population.

That doesn’t change the FACT that military suicide rates are NOW up because Republicans have used and abused our troops then tried to hide behind them in order to avoid the blame.

As I said before, always SEE what a Republican actually DOES. Never take their word because they live in a world in which they are blameless of everything they do. Republicans will continue to play the apples n oranges game as long as they think they can fool all of the people all of the time.

We won’t be fooled again.

By Shark Sammich

February 11, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Just in case anyone got any weird ideas—most people in Gwinnett aren’t as stupid and bigoted as “RB from.”

although we do get our share, I guess.

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Good try but you are not even cute.

mm,

Did somebody speak to you? To complete your dullness, I seldom listen to radio and have never heard Rush. You seem to think everybody has heard him. You must like him.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 2:48 PM The change in the military suicide rate during the Republican administration has nothing to do with civilian adolescdent rates, whatsoever.}}}}

Geez, what a mouth breathing freak:

{{{{Dr. Rothberg, a civilian employee of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Washington, said that in recent years there had been little statistical difference between the military and civilian populations in the crude rate of suicide. That rate, which does not account for age, race or sex, has ranged from about 10 suicides per 100,000 people to 14 per 100,000.——->1996<———-}}}}

So it was 10 per 100,000 when KKKlinton was president and Bush has it down to 3.2 per 100,000, uh, what was your point?

Moron.

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By By Love

February 11, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand all of this to do about the election, once W declares martial law, and Cheney has him assasinated,we won’t have to worry about a thing.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

WHEW!!!!!

That Dusty sure is in good form this afternoon!

To rushncap:

“Good try but you are not even cute.”

Oh, rushncap - You got TOLD!

AND

To mm:

“Did somebody speak to you?”

WHOA!!!!!!!!

mm,

Dude, she got you. Give it up. She’s good.

[As I roll my eyes]

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{Dr. Rothberg, a civilian employee of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Washington, said that in recent years there had been little statistical difference between the military and civilian populations in the crude rate of suicide. That rate, which does not account for age, race or sex, has ranged from about 10 suicides per 100,000 people to 14 per 100,000.——->1996<———-}}}}

While Luckoduh does NOT provide a link to his unquestionably biased source (Dr. Rothberg’s wouldnlt be working at Walter Reed if he did not tow the administrations line), I do provide a link for you to verify what I have posted. Who to believe?

Officials said the rate of suicides per 100,000 active duty soldiers has not yet been calculated for 2007. {{{The 2006 toll of 102 translated to a rate of 17.5 per 100,000}}}, the highest since the Army started counting in 1980, officials said. The rate has fluctuated over those years, with the {{{low being 9.1 per 100,000 in 2001.}}}

Keep on trying to turn those apples into oranges, Duh. Why don’t you provide your source, did it come stright from RNC headquarters?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Could you offer some proof that I’ve ever defended everything President Bush has done as good?

Thank you in advance.

Hint: The archives aren’t going to a very good place for you to look so you’d be much better off either cutting and running like a good Democrat(ic) or acknowledging your mistake.

By rushncap

February 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Yeah Bosch, Dusters just pwned me. She pwned me good. I’m gonna go sulk now :)

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Well, what do you know? Richardson gets a divorce in one day. Well, well, isn’t that interesting?

In and out, all in one day.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

TL,

@@ posted this in response to another idiot that was trying to make your same point this weekend

As she said then, try using the column that says “self inflicted.”

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 3:24 PM Keep on trying to turn those apples into oranges, Duh. Why don’t you provide your source, did it come stright from RNC headquarters?}}}}

Yeah wanker, the New York Times is all RNC:

Dr. Rothberg, (——>appointed by KKKlinton, duh<——) a civilian employee of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Washington, said that in recent years there had been little statistical difference between the military and civilian populations in the crude rate of suicide. That rate, which does not account for age, race or sex, has ranged from about 10 suicides per 100,000 people to 14 per 100,000.

Feel better, stroke?

From your own article:

{{{{The preliminary figures on 2007 show that among active duty soldiers and National Guard and Reserve troops that have been activated there were 89 confirmed suicides and ——->32 deaths that are suspected suicides but still under investigation.<———-}}}}

Who’s falsifying numbers?

Go blow yourself, wanker.

By By Love

February 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Today…President-For-Life Cheney, and current Vice-President Huckabee announced a no-bid contract with Haliburton to replace the Hall of Congress with McDonalds. “Quality jobs for Americans!” quipped the PFL.

By @@

February 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Let me make this perfectly clear. I never said that Obama was an Islamist. Louis Farrakhan’s support of Obama certainly gives one pause though.

I only questioned his personal relationship with Odinga. Turns out Odinga does want Kenya to adopt Sharia as the one true law.

When you go to CFR to check into the conflict in Kenya, it seems that neither Odinga or Kibaki are good for what ails that country. The country is majority Christian though, so majority rules. Kibaki is an ally to the west.

Getalife is right. These associations may present a problem for Obama. We’ll have to wait and see. I guess it wouldn’t be any different than the disdain that leftists have towards Christianity and anyone who believes in it.

I’m off to run four to ponder no more.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 2:36 PM |

Bosch, you’re comments would be a whole lot more understandable if the events of the world for the last 10-15 years didn’t support what you call my paranoia. I didn’t make up the ongoing attacks by muslims of our buildings, ships, embassies, barraks, Madrid trains, French cities, etc. I’m not the one throwing people out of US based mosques for denouncing the violence perpetrated in the name of islam. I’m not the one rioting in the streets shouting for the head of a teacher who allowed her class to call a teddy bear Mohammed. I’m not sure if you just don’t think these things are really happening or if they haven’t happened in your neighborhood and don’t affect your world, so they’re meaningless.

I don’t fear islam, Bosch, just like I don’t sit around in fear of someone breaking into my house. But I don’t leave the doors unlocked with a sign on the door that says “come on in!!” either. That would be foolish. Think about it.

I’m not aware of any Christian faiths who don’t believe in heaven or hell. Does your priest believe that too or just you?

By By Love

February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

How pathetic, stroking your egos with the tragic deaths of American soldiers. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

{{{@@ posted this in response to another idiot that was trying to make your same point this weekend}}}

As the CURRENT report indicates, most of the suicides are not in the combat theater. Instead, they are the results of the toll that overdeployment takes on the lives and relationships of our servicemen and women. @@’s link is to a partisan blog, is dated, and does not reflect the reality of what our soldiers are facing in Iraq or the fawning platitudes but lack of respect and support they receive from the administration that placed them in harm’s way.

Ritchie said Thursday, as she did last year, that officials are finding that failed personal relationships are the main motive for the suicides, followed by legal and financial problems as well as job-related difficulties.

Our soldiers are not killing themselves in order to sway political ideologies. They are killing themselves because the current Republican administration only gives them lip service and photo-ops while abandoning true meaningful support for them both on and off the battlefield.

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Bosch the Brave,

You bet! You AND the freshman assistant are so cute. Both of you seem to have some problems expressing yourselves. pwned?? Or is that yet another “cutie”?

Still gonna fight those terrorists, Bosch, as soon as they come and knock on your door? I tell you, liberal heroes are made, not born. They just haven’t gotten around to making you one..

When are you getting off the codeine?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

The Defense Manpower Data Center is a partisan blog now?

Tough Love, you’re even dumber with this name than you were with your last 8 or 9.

By getalife

February 11, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Of course I am right, I am well informed.

Anyhoo, it does not matter. These Senators are not leaders, they have not not held w accountable for breaking the law or stealing American freedoms. They allowed obl to win after one attack and change our country.

I do think we need new leadership and those old school politicians who support Obama’s new generation of leadership should retire to back up their bs.

Make no mistake, these Senators are part of destroying our country and none of them had the courage to filibuster anything.

These are not leaders and thinking Obama will change the division is ludicrous. It is hope for unity but the reality is rush, hannity, fixed noise and the profitable industry of diving this country.

It is the same bs w used to get elected.

By By Love

February 11, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

When asked about former Vice-President Romney, the PFL fumed,!#%&*! Mormons, all disappearing like that! I’m trying to run a compa…country here!”.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

{{{Dr. Rothberg, (——>appointed by KKKlinton, duh<——) a civilian}}}

Duh, neither page of your linked article staes that Dr Rothberg was appointed by Clinton. I must again ask for your source if you have one or is this just another obfistucation?

This still does not change the FACT that Dr Rothberg is a civilian employee of a governmental agency controlled by an administration that quite zealously protects itself from anyone who criticizes it (Plamegate, etc).

YOU may believe that if Dr Rothberg did not say what the Bush administration wanted him to that he would still have a job. I think most americans would disagree in light of the Bush administrations’ past actions.

In light of these facts, Dr Rothbergs opinions can only be seen as biased and self-serving.

By W stands for waterboarding

February 11, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty says:

“liberal heroes are made, not born. “

Yep ole JFK was born with that medal on him because they knew one day he would be a war hero. Now lets see ole George couldnt make it to Vietnam even though he wore the uniform and Dick deferred 5 times because he had better things to do. Yep the GOP sure is the leader on heros….

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

RB,

Those events you speak of are from the radical fringes. Christianity has that too, you know. Ever heard of Eric Rudolph or the nut from Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas? Catholic priests being investigated for child abuse ring any bells?

I know these things are happening, but they are the fringes and do not by any means represent the majority of Muslims in this world. Just like the nutjob in Westboro does not represent all Baptists.

Of course I do not disregard these incidences as meaningless. I think these incidences have, however, increased because of our presence in the region.

And we are supposed to take statements like this:

“you’ve already put 1 man in Washington who took his oath of office on the sacred book of a religion who’s objective is to become the one and only religion by force if necessary and to have government answer to it”

to mean that you are just oh so trusting of Islam and not afraid of it?

Please, your backpaddling is rather apparent and to be honest, quite pathetic.

And to answer your last question which again, shows your complete disregard for others who do not think like you:

My priests, all of them that work at my church, do, in fact, believe in heaven and hell.

By that last question, are you really that arrogant as to think or even assume you can or even have the right to judge who I am and evaluate my belief system?

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

{{{The Defense Manpower Data Center is a partisan blog now?}}}

RW the link you made was to {http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R6IQcOQwDMI/AAAAAAAAK6c/H5SOWWiA778/s1600-h/military+deaths.jpg}

The document presented purports to be from the Defense Manpower Center but is posted on the partisan blog link as you well know. I could take photshop and change ever number in the table and post it to that blog.

If you wish to be credible, give the original link, not a link to a probably altered document, so that the readers can see that you have not been obfistucating as usual.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

By mm 2:43 PM

{{{RB, We would not have been attacked in the US if Bush and his morons had payed attention to the available information.}}}

I guess the ‘93 WTC attack wouldn’t have happened either, or embassies, the Cole, the barracks, etc. Are those all Bush’s fault too, or is Bill Clinton fully responsible for those?

Or maybe blaming a president for execution level action is a bit partisan and truely useless in the real scheme of things. You can fault Clinton for his lack of a meaningful response to the attacks, but to blame him for letting them happen is unfair. Same for Bush. If you’re honest, that is.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Wsfw,

The tax cutting, war mongering JFK was a liberal??? You’d be calling him a neocon if he were around today.

Bosch,

If I might interject, there’s some truth to your fringe argument, but mainstream Christians speak out forcefully against the fringe element within their religions while very few mainstream Muslims do. Got any idea why? Perhaps they don’t want their mosque blown up and their heads cut off, but that would also indicate it’s not quite as tiny a fringe as you portray.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

TL,

Was that a black helicopter that just flew by your window?

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

By mm 2:43 PM

{{{RB, We would not have been attacked in the US if Bush and his morons had payed attention to the available information.}}}

I guess the ‘93 WTC attack wouldn’t have happened either, or embassies, the Cole, the barracks, etc. Are those all Bush’s fault too, or is Bill Clinton fully responsible for those?

Or maybe blaming a president for execution level action is a bit partisan and truely useless in the real scheme of things. You can fault Clinton for his lack of a meaningful response to the attacks, but to blame him for letting them happen is unfair. Same for Bush. If you’re honest, that is.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Considering you consider George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to be heroes, I’ll take it as a complement that you don’t consider me one, K?

Dusty is like hero dyslexic.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

No RW, since you won’t provide the original link to your DMPDC link, it appears that it was another Republican turdball that flew past my computer screen.

By W stands for waterboarding

February 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Oh i doubt that, you would have the PT Boaters for justice try to come out and discredit him like they do today. The amazing thing is with all that womanizing he still was able to make the Soviets back off. Yet Dubya has none of those distractions and cant find the people who attacked us. Unreal….

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 4:10 PM Duh, neither page of your linked article staes that Dr Rothberg was appointed by Clinton. I must again ask for your source if you have one or is this just another obfistucation? This still does not change the FACT that Dr Rothberg is a civilian employee of a governmental agency controlled by an administration that quite zealously protects itself from anyone who criticizes it (Plamegate, etc).}}}}

What don’t you understand about the year 1996, wanker?

Are you blaming the KKKlinton mess on Bush now?

You went to Georgia public school, didn’t you?

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Maybe RW, Kathy McFarland, and company are still seeing those Hillarycopters outsaide their windows.

By getalife

February 11, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

To prove my point on real leadership, turn on C-Span 2 and watch Dodd, Leahy and Feingold showing how it is done on the FISA illegal spying and giving the telco amnesty bill.

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

But it also doesn’t mean that Islam’s objective is “to become the one and only religion by force if necessary and to have government answer to it” either.

That line is not only absurd, but on the fringes of zealot thinking as well.

It’s that fine line of ignorance and arrogance that keeps extremism alive.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

TL,

I don’t know @@’s original source since the address of a picture only tells you it’s stored in google/blogger and doesn’t direct you to the source.

This appears to be the document it came from

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

W@4:14

JFK was not born a hero but was heroric when fighting for his country during wartime and then serving as President.

President Bush served his country during war time. The National Guard was seldom sent overseas during that time but were the home protectors. Then Bush has served as president during some of the most dangerous times in American history. It has not been easy but he has protected America and freed two countries from dictatorial rule. Those are heroic actions by him and our military.

I think all Americans should want to protect our country whether they are in the military or not. That is the point I make. Right now, anti-war words are like encoragement to our enemies. I will not support any actions that are so close to cowardice or worse.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

So “Love” To Play With It is posting articles from Yahoo and, at the same time, telling RW that his Defense Department link isn’t credible.

Isn’t that so pinko like?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I wasn’t arguing the larger point that RB brought up, but aren’t the governments in countries with Sharia Law basically subjected to the religion and not the other way around?

That’s certainly the case when radical Islam takes over a country, but it seems to me that it’s also mainstream in the Islamic world. If that’s the case then it’s not much of a stretch to get to RB’s point and only rests on how large the radical fringe is and how passive western democracies are about letting it spread.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

{{{What don’t you understand about the year 1996, wanker?}}}

Where in the article does it say that Clinton appointed Rothberg in 1996, Duh? If you are referring to the 1996 statistic that was quoted, that is not the appointment date or the appointer of the good Dr Rothberg.

I invite everyone to read the article for themselves and to see if THEY can find anywhere in it the mention that DR Rothberg was appointed by Clinton, remember to read the second page too. Here is the link again

From Duh’s own article: {{{But a detailed report of a study by Dr. Rothberg and others, published by The Journal of the American Medical Association in 1990}}}

So the good Dr Rothberg was around in 1990 before the Clinton administration. Duh, your credibility is showing. You appear to be a LIAR. It, also, appears that you do not read your own posted articles before you LIE about them.

Typical of Rovian Republicans, once again. Lie, lie, lie, obfistucate, then lie some more. The Republican mantra appears to be, “If you tell a lie enough times, someone will believe it”.

By W stands for waterboarding

February 11, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Nope Dusty i know your point. Only the GOP can protect us and as usual you are wrong for that. Our country is protected by the men and women of our armed services, they are both GOP and DEM. You and your ilk are the ones who say you respect them but give Dubya all the credit. Noticed how you tried to make is service record look better, how could he be sent overseas when they couldnt find him in Alabama?

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

What’s the matter, Loves To Play With It, is it quitting time at the department of sanitation?

Did they kick you out of the break room?

No personal computer to post mindless spam yet?

Moron.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

RW- Much better link. Considering the track record of your party, I am sure you can understand my reluctance to accept a blind blog post.

I again remind the readers though that the source does not reflect the nature of the current rash of military suicides which do not generally occur in active troops but after they have returned with their families, relationships, and emplyment proscpects destroyed by overdeployment, and they have been abandoned mostly to their own devices.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

-=-

We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. John F. Kennedy

Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. John F. Kennedy

The men who create power make an indispensable contribution to the Nation’s greatness, but the men who question power make a contribution just as indispensable, especially when that questioning is disinterested, for they determine whether we use power or power uses us. John F. Kennedy, Amherst College, Oct 26, 1963 - Source JFK Library, Boston, Mass.

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. John F. Kennedy

I look forward to a great future for America - a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose. John F. Kennedy

The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. John F. Kennedy

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy, inaugural address, January 20, 1961

Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind. John F. Kennedy, Speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 25, 1961

The basic problems facing the world today are not susceptible to a military solution. John F. Kennedy

By RB from Gwinnett

February 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 4:16 PM

Bosch, is it also the radical fringes who are keeping the mainstream muslims from speaking out against the violence perpetrated in the name of islam? Are the mosques in the US who toss people out for speaking up radicals too? Is the silence from the mainstream muslims as deafening for you as it is for the rest of us?

Eric Rudolf’s actions are wrong. I don’t think you’ll find too many Christains who won’t say that. Sure there are fringes who think his motives justify his actions, but not many. He was wrong!! And so are Catholic priests who molest children and their leaders who protect them.

You keep trying to make paralells of those issues, but they just aren’t the same.

Wouldn’t 17. 5 suicides per 100,000 soldiers and 102 deaths in 2006 add up to only 580,000 soldiers? It seems math isn’t somebody’s strong suit. Neither is honesty.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

-=-

Unconditional war can no longer lead to unconditional victory. It can no longer serve to settle disputes… can no longer be of concern to great powers alone. John F. Kennedy

We prefer world law in the age of self-determination to world war in the age of mass extermination. John F. Kennedy

War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today. John F. Kennedy

(and in respect to our resident artist ML who’s blog we are guest on) We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth. John F. Kennedy, October 26, 1963

-=-

By MomCat

February 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

By @@ February 11, 2008 10:49 A am more concerned with Obama’s lack of judgment. I can HOPE he knows what he’s doing but that and a dime won’t get me much, if anything at all.

By MomCat

February 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

By @@ February 11, 2008 10:49 A am more concerned with Obama’s lack of judgment. I can HOPE he knows what he’s doing but that and a dime won’t get me much, if anything at all.

By Tough Love

February 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

LiarDuh- You are now a proven liar. Who cares what you think of the Dept of Sanitation.

Personally, I sure am glad those guys are around to clean up my trash but it is very clear that Republicans don’t appreciate Americas’ trashmen anymore than they appreciate Americas’ soldiers.

Pull that silver spoon out your mouth Duh and stick it where the sun don’t shine for your next meal. Given the Republican track reord ala Mark Foley, et al, I’m sure you’d enjoy that.

By MomCat

February 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

By @@ February 11, 2008 10:49 A am more concerned with Obama’s lack of judgment. I can HOPE he knows what he’s doing but that and a dime won’t get me much, if anything at all.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

TL,

I’ll agree with you that the track record of my and my conservative friends here is one much different than you and your liberal spammer buddies. Ours always turn out to be factual

By MomCat

February 11, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

By @@ February 11, 2008 10:49 AM I am more concerned with Obama’s lack of judgment. I can HOPE he knows what he’s doing but that and a dime won’t get me much, if anything at all

Wheeee! I know I can always count on a laugh after a long day! Just to think there were those out there who would even have to “THINK” or “HOPE” the Chimperor knew what he was doing before voting…ohmygosh…heeheehee

By Bosch

February 11, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

RW, I’m also not arguing that the Islamic “fringe” is quite a bit larger than the Christian “fringe.”

There are not many countries ruled completely by Sharia Law - they have dual systems.

Most Muslims (which I define as mainstream) want peace.

Gotta run!

Have a great evening.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

PNAC, great quotes!

The nutjobs and wrong wingers enmity towards the liberal JFK is well known and documented.

And that anyone would denigrate him with the loathsome title “neo-con” while proudly extolling the virtues of Joe McCarthy tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about how demented and deluded the worst of the worst of the lunatic fringe can be.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 11, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

-=-

Tough Love - why do you even bother with Duh’?

I mean the idiot thinks the KKK is only composed of Democrats. Geeze. Nowadays there seem to be a lot more of those KKK’ers in Georgia now that vote Republican. It’s kinda’ mixed.

But now here’s icing on the cake —

The KKK is however composed 100% of Christians!….

So Duh since you say that all Democrats are KKK, then that means all Christians are also KKK..

IDIOT!

Now I’m a Christian, But I am well aware of the many atrocities that “MAN” has committed in Christ’s Name.

The Inquisition

The Slaughter and Torture in the Crusades.

Reverend Jim Jones

The Salem Witch Trials (and Murders)

Killings of Abortion Doctors

Killings of HomoSexuals

The list goes onwards and onwards.

It’s easy to do evil in God’s or Allah’s name, but every true Christian or Muslim should strive to do Good and Great things in the name of God/Allah

And fighting for Peace is good!

Thats my opinion — and I hope it’s shared!…

Thomas

By By Love

February 11, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Factual? Yeah, and gravity is just a theory!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I guess it is easier for human scum that’s been smearing a man for decades to insist that the story remain in tact even when the facts show they were wrong.

Is it gentler on your conscience that way, Blowhard?

Probably, but it’s also very close minded which makes you a good little liberal toadie.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

BBL,

According to rushncap gravity is just a theory.

By @@

February 11, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

MomCat:

It must not have been too funny because you had to post it three times before it got a laugh.

Did you read my link the other day about how presidents (all) are irrelevant when it comes to foreign policy? You can read the whole thingy.

You can even comment if you want…or laugh…whatever.

There’s always been a lot of intelligent posters over there—retired diplomats, high-ranking retired military officers…

there was even a jihadist who posted and linked to his own site. George Friedman quickly deleted his post.

Some leftist nuts have been showing up of late but he lets them have their say.

I never comment….just read.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 5:03 PM LiarDuh- You are now a proven liar. Who cares what you think of the Dept of Sanitation.}}}}

I just needed something to keep you nearby, Loves To Play With It, I had to step out for a second.

You made a big mistake wanker, that being you made me start thinking seriously about this little issue.

You can never beat the Duh Man and in fact, if you try hard enough, you will always have a horrible defeat inflicted upon you.

1) Why are you assuming that these soldiers killed themselves because of the war in Iraq? Got any suicide notes? Are you too stupid to realize that if there was a note like that out there it would be 24/7 pinko hysteria on every TV Channel on the planet?

2) Who knows what happened to these soldiers, maybe the broke up with their lover or their pet died, no?

2) So basically, in a nutshell, you are USING these tragic deaths to promote your spineless pervert anti American agenda.

That’s like really, really sick.

Have you talked to their families about this or did you just spring your wormy little surprise on them when they were least expecting it?

Just imagine how thrilled they must be to see some gutless wonder socialist dragging the body of their child through the streets.

Scumbag.

Oh, by the way, one last closing thought:

{{{{By Tough Love February 11, 2008 4:48 PM Where in the article does it say that Clinton appointed Rothberg in 1996, Duh? If you are referring to the 1996 statistic that was quoted, that is not the appointment date or the appointer of the good Dr Rothberg.}}}}

That was an article from the New York Times, so any statistical data gleaned from it was their intellectual property.

And if you want to call the New York Times a bunch of bald faced liars, that works with me.

I will disown anything I quoted from it.

By By Love

February 11, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Either this site is buggy, or the server sucks.

By By Love

February 11, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

AS I said before, pathetic.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

All Hail Joe MCCarthy!

Of ALL of the American politicians in the 20th century, surely history regards him as one of the greatest and Kennedy as one of the lowest.

Oh it doesn’t? Hmmmm? Wonder why that is? Must be a vast left-wing conspiracy! Yeah, that’s it!

Brought to you by the Bush for President 2012 campaign.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

History takes a while especially when papers are sealed for fifty years or so and I complimented JFK.

Did you ever wonder why you have two ears and one mouth?

By Dusty

February 11, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

W @ 4:49

You are mistaken as usual. When George W. Bush got out of the National Guard (with an honorable dischange)it was to help his father run for the presidency of the USA. I don’t think he or his father were hard to find.

Neither is your “Hate Bush” efforts hard to identify. You libs still can’t get over Gore losing. That started the hate program. Then you carried it into the war and helped the enemy with your anti-war, anti-Bush protests. You hurt the country and the military. AND you are still doing it.

Next, you have already started the rumors on McCain. And I am supposed to like liberals doing all that? No way.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Ahhh, yes, the vast expanse of knowledge that is Sir Dullard of GasBaghdad comes shining through:

{{{{By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~! February 11, 2008 5:18 PM Tough Love - why do you even bother with Duh’? I mean the idiot thinks the KKK is only composed of Democrats. Geeze. Nowadays there seem to be a lot more of those KKK’ers in Georgia now that vote Republican.}}}}

At this point, one would reasonably expect to see like some evidence of what was just stated, but no, SDOGBD goes off on a 7th century anti Christian rant:

{{{{The Inquisition- The Slaughter and Torture in the Crusades.}}}}

And then this jewel:

{{{{Jim Jones}}}}

{{{{Throughout the years, the young Jones perfected his craft and was very skilled in his new found art. He claimed to be an incarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, Buddha, Lenin, and Father Divine and performed supposed miracle healings to attract new members. Members of Jones’ church called Jones “Father” and believed that their movement was the solution to the problems of society, and many did not distinguish Jones from the movement.}}}}

Now there is a true “disciple” of Christ.

By the way, SDOGBD, more whites voted for Obama in the south than did in the north elitist pinko enclaves.

Your little race baiting act is running out of audience.

By getalife

February 11, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Not to worry folks, if Obama is elected, we will all unite and agree.

All the warmonger chicken hawks will want to get out of Iraq.

The me generation will actually care about their country and not their party.

Give me a freaking break, geez.

By W stands for waterboarding

February 11, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

RW, Who are you talking to? I have tried to backtrack to see who you are talking to because it sounds like an interesting subject

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Wsfw,

Which subject?

If it’s the suicide of our troops it’s a regular using the new name Tough Love.

If it’s the Muslim/Christian fringe issue it’s Bosch and if it’s Tailgunner Joe I’m just having some fun with Blowhard or Huge or ScamVet or whatever name he’s using.

If it’s the space shuttle doing flips it was nobody.

By getalife

February 11, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

What would we see under a third Bush term, which is what we should be calling a McCain administration?

Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, was outraged.

“If he’s an inpatient in a hospital, they should have never taken him out. The chain of command needs to be held accountable for this. Washington needs to get involved at the Pentagon to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

“First, we had the planeload of wounded, injured and ill being forced back to the war zone. And now we have soldiers forcibly removed from mental hospitals. The level of outrage is off the Richter scale.”

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Did you see your candidate at the GM transmission plant? Every time she had to touch a real worker there she looked she was chasing a rotten egg with hot buttermilk.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Riki Tiki Tavi, McCarthy was considered a scumbag then and is considered a scumbag now. That you just love the guy and his “mission” and tactics is to most rational Americans, amazing and disgusting I would dare say.

But then your politics and finding “holes in the fossil record” (I swear I will never forget THAT jewel!) don’t allow for seeing with all that much clarity. Hindsight, foresight or any sight!

BTW did you read this post yesterday at Wootens? “A true historical American conservative has NEVER been and is NOT now even remotely interested in replacing centuries of science in our public classrooms with religious mythology. Nor are they invested in “adding” it as a faux scientific alternative. At ANY level of government you Cobb Country cretins!”

The balls in your court, sport-o. No more obfuscating and pretending I haven’t asked numerous times - WHAT IS CONSERVATISM??

Lay some of those “conservative” examples on us “conservative”!

BTW, rong winger, better ix nay on that talk about the uttle-shay. Your boy Andy likes it when those things crash!

By getalife

February 11, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Yes RW,

She has hugged a million Americans and is working hard for change.

Did you see this?

“Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) will announce this evening that he will retire from the House upon the conclusion of his current term, according to a well-placed Republican source.”

Number 29 of the gop losers cutting and running after destroying our country.

Self imposed term limits will help in cleaning up w’s disasters.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

It’s hard to describe the fossil record as having holes. There’s not even any evidence whatsoever of one species evolving into another.

As usual you are taking what went on in the House of Representatives and ascribing it to Joe McCarthy.

Just because scumbags like you used his name do describe a tactic and lied about him incessantly for decades before the truth came out doesn’t mean we have to continue to accept your lie.

And I’d thank you to keep your balls out of my court. What does all that drivel have to do with me anyway?

By @@

February 11, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

I liked JFK. Don’t like his brother, Ted though.

I like this quote.

“The Ten Cannots” by: William J. H. Boetcker

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.

You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.

You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s initiative and independence.

And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves.

A little something for everyone. No doubt the leftists will zoom in on #6 and #8 and disregard all the others.

I’m pretty sure it was meant for the individual and not governments.

I know….Boetcker was a minister, so nothing he says is relevant.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The one flaw in your theory is that even though the electorate has something of a throw the bums out feeling right about now, that’s 29 nominally Republican districts that won’t have an incumbent to throw out. It seems to me that makes it easier to elect a new Republican, especially when we’ll be going on two years of Democrat control with nothing being accomplished.

By Artie Sammish

February 11, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Is that the same JFK who roped in the Communists alongside his best congressional friend Dick Nixon, and alongside Joe McCarthy, Bobby’s boss? The same secrecy-averse JFK whose Justice Department tapped MLK’s telephones?

By getalife

February 11, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Yes, lets hope for unity to throw the bums out like the kook McInsane.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

rickie, you are a world class puhssy. And everybody else here knows it.

That I have to cut and paste this from yesterday just to expose you as a gutless little lying POS worm seems like a bit much, but you asked for it and clearly need it!

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

PoFo and CO, I think a much better question, oft asked by yours truly and still to this date unanswered, is, “What is conservative?”

My experience is one single “conservatives” over at Luckovich’s trotting out one slogan that said nothing. (Peace through Strength)

But with this serious query I ask, “What are the specific elements and hallmarks of American conservatism?”

With so many still desperately clinging to the term, it seems like it would be a slam dunk for them to, at length, describe it’s characteristics and details, no?

No.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

Most of us that proudly call ourselves conservatives have been conservatives for most of our adult lives. What’s neo about that?

The actual self described neocons are disaffected liberals that are overwhelmingly Jewish. It seems to me that people that use the term to describe any Republican just aren’t willing or capable of understanding the difference, but if they do they’re trying to hide their bigotry.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

It’s not like I haven’t asked many times before over at Luckovich’s and none of you posers have demonstrated the courage to respond.

Here’s your chance, True American Conservative and Patriot! But that you have responded to my initial question with a childish mirror-like one of your own, I think already answers it.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

I’m sure you think it’s cute to make believe you’ve had some lingering question on the table.

Yes, lying POS it is on the table and STILL you act like “What me?”.

So again puhssy, quit pretending I haven’t asked YOU numerous times WHAT IS CONSERVATIVE?

Just answer it and show us your vast “conservative” intellect. If you have the nads. (You don’t).

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Yes, I fondly remember driving my SUV through Embarrass during the blustery year of 1888:

{{{{The temperature also fell to 40 below in Embarrass, 80 miles southeast of International Falls. That’s just one degree above the all-time record in Minneapolis, 250 miles to the south, that was set in January 1888, the weather service said.}}}}

If this keeps up, we are going to NEED global warming and fast.

~~~~~

{{{{But not many 21-year-olds start their Monday with a personal breakfast with Chelsea Clinton, as Rae did this morning at the student union at the nearby University of Milwaukee.}}}}

{{{{Rae got the one-on-one treatment from the former — and possibly future — first daughter because he is a Democratic National Committee member from Wisconsin and thus a “super delegate,” one of the 796 free agents who can back any candidate in the race for the Democratic nomination.}}}}

That’s not too unethical.

Like mother, like daughter.

But don’t call it pimping!

~~~~~

{{{{Democratic Sen. Ku Klux Rodham KKKlinton denied Monday that her campaign is in trouble after losing to Sen. Barack Obama in four states this past weekend and replacing her campaign manager.}}}}

I didn’t know Ku Klux Rodham was still a candidate.

It seems like so…..yesterday.

{{{{“I’m still ahead in the popular vote and in delegates,” KKKlinton said, though the numbers do not fully support that statement.}}}}

And isn’t she just brimming with the truth?

{{{{Pledged Delegates Obama 1134 KKKlintoon 1128}}}}

By the way, al-Gitmo, the only way the super delegates will nullify the vote of the people would be if they were allowed to don their traditional robes and pointy hoods, which wouldn’t surprise me any.

By @@

February 11, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

(((The same secrecy-averse JFK whose Justice Department tapped MLK’s telephones?)))

The very same Artie….

and here we thought wiretapping was a recent phenomenon and only done by Republicans.

Just goes to show……

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Replacing lock-stepping Bushbots whose their heads are full of Reagan rubbish with moderate or liberal Republicans is a good start in resurrecting this failed neo-con GOP, no matter the state.

By Artie Sammish

February 11, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Fine cartoon there Mike Luckovich.

It’s a good drawing but you didn’t do the feet right. John McCain was a foot powder for Ronald Reagan, you know.

By Auntie Kepila

February 11, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

I liked his Foster Grants and his admiration for Sam Houston.

Anyone who admires Chief Houston can be Kahuna in Washington anytime.

None of this “English Only”, though. His wife had pretty good French, I thought.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Thnaks Blowhard,

So why did you leave out the part where you were asked what a neocon was BEFORE you asked me about conservatism? And why did leave out your refusal to answer?

Name call all you want, but answering the question would save you a lot of time. Now be a good little stooge and go cut and paste that part.

Or answer, Jew hater.

By @@

February 11, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Damn, AmVet is HUGELY irritated today, both here and at Wooten’s.

Jock itch perhaps?

Although conservatism has been through numerous transitions over time, I’ve always seen it as a political philosophy that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices. Conservatives prefer institutions and practices that have evolved gradually and are manifestations of continuity and stability.

But that’s just me and my opinion.

By AmVet

February 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Ms. Rickie, when you courageously decline to describe any conservative attributes, I’ve got plenty for you and your cretinous pals to chew on.

But again, just in case you phony conservatives pretended to miss it:

“A true historical American conservative has NEVER been and is NOT now even remotely interested in replacing centuries of science in our public classrooms with religious mythology. Nor are they invested in “adding” it as a faux scientific alternative. At ANY level of government you Cobb Country cretins!”

Read and heed Curly. Strike one in you shameful claim to being a conservative.

By @@

February 11, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

I like most of the Democrats in the Blue Dog Coalition.

AmVet is just an ashyhole and doesn’t think much of anybody but himself.

Take a break AmVet! You’re beginning to appear unhinged.

By The Avoidable Truth

February 11, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Right. Biology teachers want to go on filling in the gaps with magic saltations, and making cosmological claims based on the almighty power of Evolutionary Biology as a Grand Theory of Everything.

No, no. This never happens. High school biology teachers and their professors in the teachers colleges are professional scientists, and never would stray from the physical evidence. Never.

By Luckoduh

February 11, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Ahh, so much for AmVet and “civilized” debate.

Another liberal notion placed upon the ash heap of history.

Notice how he’s the one who always flips out?

Taking this awful seriously, aren’t we?

By @@

February 11, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

AmVet:

If you want us to view you as a hairy mammal who isn’t erect, then fine…

I do.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

You seem quite proud of that paragraph. Who did you plagiarize it from?

I don’t know of anyone that wants to take science out of the classroom and replace it with religion. I also don’t see why someone confident that their view is the correct one would be opposed to letting students know that something being taught as fact is really still a theory. One with only the very barest of evidence at that.

So there’s your first example of my conservatism. I think all subjects taught to our children should be done in the most complete manner possible and the religious dogma of Darwinism should never be substituted for the scientific fact that it’s an unproven theory.

I really don’t think our government should be involved in the teaching either. Now I consider that a common sense conservative value, but many will put that in my Libertarian column.

Now what is a neocon, Jew hater?

Polly,

My clock doesn’t work and I have a comment box. Is it time for that restart yet?

By saywhat

February 11, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

**“The Ten Cannots” by: William J. H. Boetcker

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot bring about prosperity by encouraging the hoarding of wealth among the few

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot strengthen the weak by allowing the strong to take advantage of them

You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot lift the wage earner by lowering his wages

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help the poor by helping the rich

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. Unless it is hatred for lower classes

And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves. You cannot help men at all by preventing others from doing for them what they cannot do for themselves.

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