Mike Luckovich

By IN THE NEWS

February 5, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Yes We Can - Barack Obama Music Video

By luckovichisaheadcase

February 5, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess that cartoon boy just doesn’t remember the real clowns we have had in office - all of them with a ‘d’ behind their names. Bill Clinton, the clownish whre monger who smoked a cigar after, well you know. Then there was old Dummy Carter. Al Gore has been such a clown that he has garnered major awards for it recently. He also will be proven WRONG on almost all of the issues he holds so dear. But the fact remains, stupid people just don’t become president. Even Carter is not stupid - just plain evil, like Bill the Bstard and his current stand in Hitlery!

By getalife

February 5, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

w is the worst ever and destroyed our country but McInsane will finish it off with more wars, borrowing more trillions from China and no clue about the economy.

Voting gop and expecting change is the definition of insanity. McInsane will stay the course with w’s disastrous policies.

The choice is clear. To get out of Iraq, fix our economy and get back to the greatest country on this planet, just remember:

“It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush”.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Geez, mikey, obsess much?

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From the Urinal Vent, a free demokrat Kampaign ad:

{{{{I don’t think the Clinton-Obama “fights” hold a candle to the McCain-Romney “dirty tricks.”}}}}

Yeah, little Klanner, throwing racist hate around is nothing out of the ordinary for you demokrat bigots, is it?

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{{{{SHOCK POLL: OBAMA TAKES 13-POINT LEAD IN CALIFORNIA; ROMNEY UP 7}}}}

Bwa.

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{{{{In Georgia and throughout the evangelical precincts of the south and the west, the Huckabee vote is dwindling because evangelical voters don’t need to make any more statements. The evangelicals need a political leader who can win and who will work towards the goals they want, not agree with their theology. The prospect of a McCain candidacy and an Obama presidency has clarified things in a wonderfully abrupt fashion for them. Most of them have no desire to look back in a few years and see themselves as the Perot voters of 1992. They are flowing to Romney because they really do care about the culture they see in decline and McCain’s indifference to it. They know that Huck has no chance of winning the nomination. A gesture isn’t enough in these circumstances.}}}}

Word up.

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{{{{We got rid of Davis, but then came time for choosing from 28 other candidates on the ballot. The GOP loved state Sen. Tom McClintock, the principled conservative with a proven track record of reform, but instead chose Arnold Schwarzenegger because of their concerns about McClintock’s ‘electability.’}}}}

{{{{What did California get for the big ‘win’? A 14 billion dollar deficit, his advocacy for business-crippling regulations backed by the phony junk science of man-made climate change, and bad policy on, you guessed it, illegal immigration.}}}}

{{{{Is it a coincidence that Arnold Schwarzenkennedy endorses John McCain?}}}}

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Carter, evil? Really? How do you figure? My goodness, your definition of evil is all askewed.

Cheney not evil? Carter evil?

WTF?

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

{{{{Thanks to the miracles of modern technology, we can also look at the departure from the average for ice mass in a given month. At present, the coverage of ice surrounding Antarctica is almost exactly two million square miles above where it is historically supposed to be at this time of year. It’s farther above normal than it has ever been for any month in climatologic records. Around now, because it’s summer down there and the ice is headed towards its annual low point, there should be about seven million square miles of it. That means, as data in University of Illinois’ web publication Cryosphere Today shows, that there is nearly 30% more ice down in Antarctica than usual for this time of the year.}}}}

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{{{{American “decline” is the foreign-policy equivalent of homelessness: The media only take note of it when a Republican is in the White House. Broadly speaking, declinists divide between those who merely accept America’s supposed diminishment as a fact of life, and those who celebrate it as long overdue. As for the causes of decline, however, they tend to agree: declining (relative) economic muscle, due in large part to the rise of China; an overextended military bogged down needlessly in Iraq and endlessly in Afghanistan; the declining value of America’s “brand” on account of Bush administration policies on detention, pre-emption, terrorism, global warming — you name it.}}}}

{{{{Yet each of these assumptions collapses on a moment’s inspection.}}}}

{{{{In his 2006 book “Überpower,” German writer Josef Joffe makes the following back-of-the-envelope calculation: “Assume that the Chinese economy keeps growing indefinitely at a rate of seven percent, the average of the past decade (for which history knows of no example)… . At that rate, China’s GDP would double every decade, reaching parity with today’s United States ($12 trillion) in thirty years. But the U.S. economy is not frozen into immobility. By then, the United States, growing at its long-term rate of 2.5 percent, would stand at $25 trillion.”}}}}

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Have you voted yet?

By rushncap

February 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Great ‘toon, Mike! Not terribly original, I think, but true nonetheless, and well drawn.

By AmVet

February 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

It looks likely that at least we won’t be replacing one bumbling/incompetent neo-con clown with another!

And that is reason to celebrate!

By Jesus

February 5, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By cliff

February 5, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

I think in general the Urinal/Constipation is a waste of paper…I especially loath Luckovich….Ive been wasting money on this rag for years….It stops today..bed wetting liberal garbage through and through…..Ive met some folks who work for the paper…my sense is correct…volvo driving - treehugging lumps of wasted flesh….

By Richard Simmons

February 5, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Cliff, Cliff, Cliff…..The participants of this blog pride themselves on their unique and clever ways to ridicule the opposition.

Please try again. A little more originality. “Volvo drivers?” How lame.

This is the 9th time someone has used Urinal/Constipation this week.

Treehuggers? Thats so 1994.

If you want to make a name for yourself you have to be more original.

Your user name also needs some improvement. Cliff???? Look at some of the names above you. Devastator, Luckoduh, luckovichisaheadcase, Getalife. You can hardly get your point across using “Cliff”

Good luck!

By IN THE NEWS

February 5, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Today marks the fifth anniversary of Colin Powell’s presentation on Iraqi WMD before the United Nations.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

No, I haven’t voted yet - I’ll have to wait until this evening to vote.

Have you?

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Thank God we won’t be filling that clown’s shoes in November!

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

I take it cliff doesn’t like Volvos or trees.

Volvos? Well, if you don’t like them, you don’t like them,

but what’s wrong with trees?

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

I don’t believe there are any Repug candidates who are promising to put a halt to Dubya’s failed policies— true?… the Dems win in a landslide in November!

By Dubya

February 5, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

What a fabulous choice: The Mormon Android and The Bahgdad Shopper. God Bluss Murcuh. Allah Akbar.

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Cliff @ 12:09 — you’d probably feel much better just sticking to your own kind, a la Rupert Murdoch’s “rags” such as the Wash.Times and Fox Noise…

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Yes I did. I voted for Yomama.

By GOD

February 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

JESUS: Right you are, my Boy, right you are. We’ll get it done one way or another. The little drunk must go!

By Apocalypse

February 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Memo from Obama Campaign

What the Obama campaign is up to on Election Day

Obama started Election Day at 5:20 AM ET, when he headed to a television studio to conduct 15 satellite interviews with all six morning shows, Univision and local TV in eight different states. This afternoon, Senator Obama will vote before heading to an election night event in Chicago.

Senators Kerry and Kennedy will do radio and satellite interviews across Super Tuesday states urging people to vote or caucus today. Other prominent leaders, like Governor Janet Napolitano, Governor Kathleen Sebelius, Senator Claire McCaskill and Representative Artur Davis, to name a few, are encouraging voters in their home state to participate in the primaries and caucuses being held today. Men and women from outside the world of politics, like Cornell West, actress Kate Walsh and actor Kal Penn, are calling into radio stations in states across America and encouraging listeners to show their support for Barack Obama by voting or caucusing for him today.

At 4:30 PM today, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe will hold a pen and pad briefing at the Hyatt Regency hotel. Stay tuned for more information on delegates and how the campaign is moving forward in states holding contests on February 9th, 10th, 12th and 19th.

By reebok

February 5, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Hilarious cartoon. You have to laugh at the criminally incompetent alcoholic draft-dodger to keep from crying…of course, the families and the loved ones of 4,000 dead American service men & women aren’t laughing.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

You voted for my mom? How sweet. I’ll tell her later.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 5, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Bush has finally succeeded as a uniter.

Of course, I don’t think he expected us to be united AGAINST him!

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

The pundits on CNN last night were absolutely spastic in anticipation. They were completely unbearable to watch.

They were like watching little hyper children on Christmas Eve.

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

That’s cool, as long as she votes for Obama.

Don’t you dare vote for Clinton. I don’t mean to tell you what to do with your vote, but don’t vote for the past. ’90s tactics are not going to work in the new millenium.

They invented the IPHONE for a reason you know.

Vote for Change!!!!!!!

By Accounts Payable

February 5, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Dear Apocalypse,

Please submit a check for $12,042.84 for your Obama For President advertisements.

This covers the ads you placed on the blogs during the month of January. Payment is due in 15 days.

Thank you for your business!

By Apocalypse

February 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Accounts Payable,

I’ll pay if you vote for Barack, deal?

By RE

February 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Is Georgia an open or closed primary?

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

I think Mother Bosch is planning on voting for Obama (Father Bosch too for that matter). She heard Michelle Obama speak the other day and was all a dither this past weekend when I saw her for her birthday.

Don’t worry, I sure I won’t disappoint the Devastator. Never.

Do you have an iPhone? I’m old school. I don’t need a phone that will do all that, just so I can call out and people can call in - that’s all I need.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

RE: Open. You choose either a Repug, pinko or wishy washy ballot.

You can flip flop back in November.

I was gonna vote for Snowflake, getting in an anti Ku Klux Rodham vote early, but he is wiping the Klanner out all on his own.

So know I’ll probably write in Cheney.

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I have a Blackberry Curve. The I will be my next purchase.

The Bosch’s are cool people.

All we need now, hopefully, is to win in November.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

RE,

Open.

By bon scott

February 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

One thing’s for sure… luckoduh. aka andy, the disassembler, etc., has become the biggest joke on this blog. I especially like his penchant for running quotes (no dout from his faves “The American Predator, I mean Spectator”, which has few readers, “Free Republic”, whose members are all fascist racists, and the Washington “Moonie” Times, which can count its serious paying readers on one hand) without any attribution whatsoever, much a link. Is he that embarrassed about his sources?

Honestly, duh’s paranoid ramblings have done more to alienate pragmatic Republicans who had been fence-sitters, and unite moderate Democrats, Independents, and your average, thoughtful voter than any plan the “sinister” DNC might come up with.

I’m convinced he’s a paid Democratic counter-insurgent.

When either Obama or Hillary take the oath of office next year, duh will be probably be tying a plastic bag over his head. Which would be sad. I don’t like to see anyone die, and his blue face, distended tongue and bulging eyeballs will make a closed casket virtually necessary. Darn shame for his family and friends, of which I assume he has a few.

Keep up the good work, duh! The work you and your ilk do make a GOP loss in November a virtual certainty.

Of course, W himself has helped.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-planted-fake-news-stories-on-american-tv-480172.html

Dumb as a box of rocks.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

Thanks - the Bosches are a cool bunch - very laid back, except for my older sister. She is way too intense about things.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

By Devastator 1:10 PM

{{{Vote for Change!!!!!!!}}}

Would somebody please explain what that means in real terms? Is he planning to change oil, or change diapers or what? I keep hearing “i’m for change”, and that sounds great, but eventually, I’d like to know what that means. He has half the D party sold on the idea and hasn’t yet told anybody what it means. That’s both brilliant on his part and scary on the part of his followers.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

Thanks - the Bosches are a cool bunch - very laid back, except for my older sister. She is way too intense about things.

By getalife

February 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

It is an open primary but the GA wingnut mind set is closed.

By Lord Chaos

February 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

It must be fun being able to call people names and hide behind an ID so no one will know who it is.

I’ll bet you never won a fight in your life have you?

What’s the matter? Got picked on in school and this is your way of getting back at bullies?

Lay off the “snowflake” remarks.

By RE

February 5, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Andy,

i would love to see a Cheney bumper sticker:

Cheney: 8% of americans can’t be wrong.

Just asking here, and I know to ask the same for clinton is too much, but if Obama is elected, do you figure you can keep from calling him the worst communist, pinko, blight on humanity as president until at least say, febuary 1st. Give him maybe 2 weeks before piling on?

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Yes, Bush is a uniter. He waited and let you darling Dems on a Donkey change Congress into a Demo led Congressional backslide on America.

CHANGE Yeyyy CHANGE and do more like the Democratic-led Congress that never misses oppressing the troops, stopping the funding, adding earmarks, introducing socialized healthcare, incriminating the President and leading investigations that amount to nothing.

See Luckovich as a fine example of dirty Dem doings. Today’s cartoon is ust a little better than his “roasting the troops”, one of his anti-war specials.

But Oh Yes…CHANGE CHANGE and more back sliding. Vote “Democrat”, you slackers, and you get what you deserve. Either the new kid on the block whose only talent is talking nice or the power driven woman. That is the Dem choice. That’s what “thinking” liberals have to offer. Surely you jest!!

By AntiRadical

February 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Great toon ML. Bush as Bozo is priceless.

Since either Obama or Clinton are acceptable choices to me, this year I voted in the Republican primary.

Sadly, it carried a large part of Deva Ju as I had voted for Senator McCain in 2000 when the radical right highjacked the Republican convention and installed the current sad state of affairs in office.

This is sad because I thought and still think that McCain would have been a great President. Unfortunately, his time is now past and I believe that any vote placed for him can only be effective as a counter to split the radical extremists of the Republican party.

As in 2000, we have had one political party in office for far too long, and it is indeed time for a change. Let’s return our nation to a more sane and rational course, vote Democrat in ‘08. America needs the help!

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

Its your own skepticism that has prevented you from knowing what he means, but I’ll be happy to explain it to you:

Change from the usual way politics is done. Partisan voting, support, campagning, etc.

Change from the traditional methods that activists and others get things done.(Notice you don’t hear from the Sharptons of the world).

Change from our isolationist way of doing business with the rest of the world and bringing jobs back.

There are many ways he means change RB, those are just a few.

Got it?

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

You know, in georgia, if it comes down to a McCain- Obama election, I think Obama might be able to carry the state.

I have heard nothing but animosity for McCain, he is not going to get the voters out in November, while the Obama folks will be motivated.

If it is clinton- McCain, I can bet the folks who don’t like to vote McCain will hate hillary more and get out to cast a vote.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

RB,

From Obama’s website:

I think this pretty much sums it up, what he means by “change.” Sometimes things are kind of metaphorical, ya’ know.

“Americans are fed up with a divisive brand of politics that is more about scoring points than solving problems. To win in November — and to govern this country — we should not choose to be a party that extends an era of bitter partisanship; we must be the party that ends it.”

I know they all say that, but sometimes you must go with your gut as to who is actually telling the truth. My gut is with Obama - hopefully, it’s real and not just gas.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

I guess you wouldn’t expect much else from a drug addicted stalker:

{{{{By bon scott February 5, 2008 1:50 PM When either Obama or Hillary take the oath of office next year, duh will be probably be tying a plastic bag over his head. Which would be sad. I don’t like to see anyone die, and his blue face, distended tongue and bulging eyeballs will make a closed casket virtually necessary. Darn shame for his family and friends, of which I assume he has a few.}}}}

Typical sick liberal, taking the political debate far too seriously, a sure sign of disengagement from reality.

Anybody else notice how anti war surrender monkey liberals delight in the death and sicknesses of fellow Americans who they disagree with on minor policy issues, but fall into great sorrow and weep at the death of any women and children killing terrorist?

The same people that call their black opponent anther “Jesse Jackson?”

And they call me paranoid.

And I’m sure this will cause much sadness among the delusionally obsessive, but a lib victory in November will not cause me to kill myself, sorry, but I will pull up a chair and watch you dumb as-s demokrats self destruct, taking in the show along with the rest of America.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

If this comes down to Clinton vs. McCain in Georgia I think McCain will carry the state without any of the people that he disgusts now coming back and voting for him.

The youth vote won’t turn out for that race and if Hillary gets the nod over Obama by seating Michigan and Florida delegates combined with super-delegates, the black vote will be suppressed.

With those two candidates you could see the lowest turnout in the history of Presidential elections in Georgia and perhaps everywhere else.

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

So Dusty, who will you be voting for, which GOP candidate is your choice

By getalife

February 5, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Looks like gomer was leading in West Virgina on CNN.

Shazam.

By Denali

February 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Word has it that the Repugs will at the last moment bring out another of their experienced heroes from the past: DAN QUAYLE! Praise thee Lord!

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Golllly!

You gotta love huckabee though, maybe he can run that creation science museum in Kentucky, I here they are having problems now.

By getalife

February 5, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

If she wins today, there should be a Clinton/Obama ticket for on the job training for Obama to take over after 8 years of Clinton.

This will get the voters out and keep the WH for a very long time.

By Last Throes

February 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

A cousin of the victims, Kareem Talea Hamad, 20, said he watched the killings from his house across the street, and gave a different account of events than the American military’s version. Hamad said U.S. soldiers opened the door to the small brick house and immediately opened fire, killing its unarmed residents: father Ali Hamad Shihab, 55, his wife Naeimah Ali Sulaiman, 40, and their son Diaa Ali, who was a member of a U.S.-backed neighborhood watch group.

Still winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, the REPUBLICAN way.

When troops have been so wantonly overdeployed and abused as OUR soldiers have been under REPUBLICAN rule, is there any wonder that they committ atrocities?

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

What are your thought on how Georgia will go if it is Obama- McCain?

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RB from Gwinnett February 5, 2008 1:52 PM Would somebody please explain what that means in real terms? Is he planning to change oil, or change diapers or what?}}}}

RB: Since demokrat policy ideas would make most informed Americans puke their guts out, Snowflake can only toss around mindless platitudes to keep his drooling dimwit followers happy.

You know, like babies like little shiny things and pacifiers.

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{{{{By Lord Chaos February 5, 2008 1:54 PM Luckoduh, It must be fun being able to call people names and hide behind an ID so no one will know who it is. I’ll bet you never won a fight in your life have you? What’s the matter? Got picked on in school and this is your way of getting back at bullies?}}}}

lord Clownish: Your crystal ball is on the fritz, again.

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{{{{By RE February 5, 2008 1:55 PM Just asking here, and I know to ask the same for clinton is too much, but if Obama is elected, do you figure you can keep from calling him the worst communist, pinko, blight on humanity as president until at least say, febuary 1st.}}}}

RE: Check this out.

You jerk off liberals got a lot of nerve telling me about the tone of my comments.

I ain’t the one drawing the President of the United States of America as a clown, a cartoon that al Qaeda probably takes much comfort in seeing.

You’re the ones calling Snowflake a drug dealer and a Muslim, not me.

Little whiny cry babies.

Sissies that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The first vote was Romney, Huckabee, McCain, and Ron Paul.

Paul got booted and the McCain voters got together to vote for Huckabee and push him past Romney.

Do you need any more evidence that McCain and Huckabee are double teaming Romney?

By Aaron Burr V. Mexico

February 5, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Obama has already said he’s not running for president again.

STOP HILLARY HOPESLAYER! Vote Obama 2008!

It doesn’t take a Clinton to stop a Bush, it takes INTEGRITY!

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

RE,

I think Obama would win easily over McCain.

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Re@2:09

You asked for whom I WOULD vote. I have already voted for John McCain.

And you?

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Did anybody happen to see the clip last night of John McCain talking about finding OBL? He promised that he would find him and bring him to justice.

Now, it’s no secret that I’m no Bush lover here, but I have faith that despite Bush’s misgivings, surely they are actively looking for OBL, just a little more covert, so why would McCain say such a thing?

I’m just curious as to what some may think about that.

Not to mention the fact that McCain looks horrible, physically. He looks like he could fall over at any time. Many people vote for people based on their looks. I know it’s not ideal, but many people do, and does anyone think that if McCain wins the nomination and goes up against Clinton or Obama in a debate, he’s going to look the victor? No. He’ll be crushed like a roach.

By Willy

February 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Now yer talkin, Denali! Yer talkin real history. Hot damn! Quayle was chosed by Bush, n Bush was chosed by Reagan. Hit dont git no better or brighter’n thet!

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

RE,

Creation science museum? Isn’t that a double oxymoron? Surely you are joking that there is such a place.

By bon scott

February 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Dearest Andy….

Stalker? I mention you maybe 3 times a month, and unlike you I haven’t tried to track down the addresses of adversaries so I can fight them.

And why DON’T you link your fascist panderings? Lazy? Dumb? Something else? Anybody’s guess.

It was a pleasure nailing you so thoroughly that you had to respond in your usual, hysterical, paranoid style.

I’d recomend a blue plastic bsg in November. Like the one the New York Times comes in. For one thing, it would mstch your face. For another, friends and foes would grin alike at your imbecilic sense of irony.

Keep up the good work, Andy. A labor of love, I know, ridiculing Republicans as well as Democrats the way you do, but it will all pay off in November, when what’s left of the old Reagan Republican crowd, now an amorphous, atrocious mess, will find themselves outside the Beltway, looking in.

Smooch! Love ya, kid. Yer a political genius!

Keep paving the way for Democrats! Keep making the GOP look like congenital idiots (except for John McCain. Since you hate him, you’ve already increased his support base)

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

{{{{{I’m just curious as to what some may think about that.}}}}}

Bosch,

Because McCain is a power mad liar that would say anything and stab anybody in the back if he thought it would get him political power.

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Last Throes @2:20

You must be in your last throes.

Our troops are not committing atrocities.

Republicans & Democrats in Congress approved the resolution to go to war in Iraq.

Our volunteer ttroops are not abused. They are the best military in the world.

What other anti-American propaganda do you have to spread around?

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Willy,

Yes, that’s like the Morons’ Apostolic Succession.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Anybody else notice how POS AntiRadical and POS Spammie show up at the same time:

{{{{By AntiRadical February 5, 2008 2:00 PM Great toon ML. Bush as Bozo is priceless.}}}}

{{{{By Last Throes February 5, 2008 2:20 PM When troops have been so wantonly overdeployed and abused as OUR soldiers have been under REPUBLICAN rule, is there any wonder that they committ atrocities?}}}}

Taking the word of al Qaeda to call our troops baby killers.

I thought demokrats were for “change.”

When will you scumbags start spitting on them, again?

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

Obama- McCain: Obama

Clinton McCain: McCain

Obama Romney: Obama

Clinton Romney: Clinton

I would rather have McCain than Clinton, I would not like to see a co-presidency, and I do not want to go back to the soap oprea that was the clinton white house. Unless romney gets the nomination, I am pretty sure he is the spawn of satan.

By IN THE NEWS

February 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) _ Mike Huckabee has won the Republican caucuses in West Virginia.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Bosch 2:39

And here I thought we were past the religious bigotry.

By RE

February 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Bosch

creation science museum

Yep, it’s real, and right in Kentucky. My buddy lives about an hour from there, and is slightly ashamed.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

RW,

So how do you really feel? Just kidding.

I don’t know if you saw on the thread this morning from the cartoon from last night, but thanks for that link last night - love it!

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I saw that and you’re welcome.

It’s good enough to bring back around I believe.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

By Devastator 2:00 PM

{{{Change from the usual way politics is done. Partisan voting, support, campagning, etc.}}}

Sounds nice, but his voting record would indicate a completely different scenario. He’s voted the party line. There’s nothing bipartisan about that. Has he decided to be less liberal going forward or what? Talk is cheap. Evidence doesn’t support the sound bite.

{{{Change from the traditional methods that activists and others get things done.(Notice you don’t hear from the Sharptons of the world).}}} What commitment has he made? Has he proposed something to limit the influence of lobbiests or something? Again, a nice sound bite, but what does it mean in real terms?

{{{Change from our isolationist way of doing business with the rest of the world and bringing jobs back.}}} How is he planning to bring jobs back? Is he going to lower corporate income taxes so companies can compete with foreign made goods. You do realize our corp taxes at 35% are much higher than nearly anywhere in the world and get passed on to consumers in the form of pricing? Who wouldn’t be for bringing jobs back? But to change that, the reasons they left have to change. As a side note, who’s going to do those jobs when they come back? It’s hard as heck to find people to do jobs now. Aside from this recent downturn, unemployement has been at very healthy levels for 5+ years. There aren’t many people willing to work who don’t have a job.

Those are all nice sound bites and if you don’t make any attempt to figure out what they mean in real terms, it’s easy to be sold on them. To make change happen, though, you have to deal in real issues with real plans. I’m not hearing that from him and his record doesn’t support his claims. BTW, if I were inclined to vote D, I’d vote for Obama over Clinton any day. Although I don’t agree with him, I don’t distrust him as I do Clinton. He’s played this campaign smart by allowing Clinton to make more people hate her without sticking his neck out for anything meaningful. He’ll have to do that to win in Nov.

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Well, Bosch, I disagree with RW whom I hold in high regard.

McCain is answering the oft noted Democratic accusation that Bush gave up hunting for Osama. MCain is ascertaining that our military will continue the hunt until they find Osama.

Most of us believe the reports that Osama is hiding in the high remote mountains of Pakistan. Even though they are working with us, we do not invade Pakistan to catch a now destabilized Osama. Our hunt is clandestine.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Yeah, this is not too delusionally obsessive:

{{{{By bonnie scott February 5, 2008 2:33 PM And why DON’T you link your fascist panderings? Lazy? Dumb? Something else? Anybody’s guess. Smooch! Love ya, kid. Yer a political genius!}}}}

Look finchie, I know that continued hard drug use permanently slows your motor functions, and since I harbor no ill will towards people that stalk me, allow me to assist you with this apparently arduous task:

Cut and paste my posts into google-

{{{{SHOCK POLL: OBAMA TAKES 13-POINT LEAD IN CALIFORNIA; ROMNEY UP 7}}}}

And then just like magic-

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0345866120080205?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Amazing, ain’t it?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

-=-

Sadly Bosch — there is such a place.

You can help support it - and donate by setting a monthly payment withdrawn from your bank account —- (smiles)….

What a waste of money and brain-power…..

-=-

Dusty - stop lying — Democrats didn’t vote “To go to war” —! That was a Bush/Cheney agenda from the start —-

Congress and the House at that time was ruled by the GOP….

And many of those National guardsmen were shafted when they were pulled out to go to Iraq’…

Iraq was a Think Tank sponsored agenda of the NeoCon right and Bush and Dick Cheney were the propaganda cheerleaders…

Just goes to prove that to screw America - all you need is a Bush and a Dick’…..

Cheer’s

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

The things you and I agree on dwarf the number of things we don’t and I have the utmost respect for your unabashed love of our great country.

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

RE,2:24

Are you advocating a threesome or what?

Romney the spawn of Satan? Huh? I like Romney but I think McCain is stronger on what we need right now.

As far as I can see, Democrats have nothing to offer but an inexperienced sweet-talker and a power-crazed woman. (Sorry on repeating that. It is still true.)

By rushncap

February 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

So Huckster won the first state. And RW is already crying over Mittens and Republicans not playing fair, or something. Yikes. This is gonna be a looooong week of RW whining. Brace yourselves, kids.

By getalife

February 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

You mean crusty’s love for your party RW.

I busted her out and her fake patriotism.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Peoples for a Nuked

Kidding?

Given the title of the resolution they voted is “Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq”

and it said the Senate and House authorized the Pres to use the armed forces as he saw necessary.

Full text is here:

Link: Joint Resolution to use force

Seems not only did Hillary skip reading the NIE on Iraq, when she did read the resolution (or did she skip that, too?) she didn’t understand what she read.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

{{{{By IN THE NEWS February 5, 2008 2:47 PM CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) _ Mike Hickabee has won the Republican caucuses in West Virginia.}}}}

Why is it that liberals are surprised that a state that elected a Ku Klux Klan Grand Kleagle to represent them in the Senate would pick someone from ArKKKansas for president?

By rushncap

February 5, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

How does King Redneck Andy manage to be anti-redneck? Anyone else reminded of the “black white supremacist” episode of Chapelle?

By RE

February 5, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I barely know you; but thanks for the offer.

I think romney should stick to being a gameshow host. I like McCain because in the most basic definition, he has dedicated his life to his country. from military service on to his senatorial career, he has worker for this country and I have to respect that, also I believe he would make rational decisions in the country’s best interest. I probably hold somewhat similar if less intense feelings as you do towards Clinton.

With Obama I really see something different. Watch McCain and Romney bash each other over who is the most conservative or most like reagan (which by the way, if you look at reagan’s actual record, he isn’t much of a reagan republican). Hillary sends out one partisan group or another like NOW or NARAL to be a surrogate attacker against Obama. Both talk about working in a bipartisan manner, but when clinton says it it seems like she only means GOP members in congress. When Obama says it it sounds more like he is willing to work with republican voters and lead the country, not just be the head of the party. In this country there is 25% who are hardcore GOP and will hate everything democratic. and there are 25% who are hardcore dem and will hate everything GOP. The other 50% just want what is best for the country.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{By rushncrap February 5, 2008 3:15 PM How does King Redneck Andy manage to be anti-redneck?}}}}

I’m not anti redneck by any means, I’m anti Klan which happens to include a majority of demokrats.

Look it up, wanker.

Gaze upon your beloved Billy Klux as he spews is race hate on the black man.

That’s you, summed up.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 5, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

-=-

Paul take note of this section….

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS. — Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

Ok ?

Furthermore — The majority of Democrats in congress voted “AGAINST” this resolution.

Whereas the Republicans voted yes to this resolution almost 100%…

Democrats on the whole were rightfully against authorizing this President (or any President for that matter) this kind of power in office. This type of resolution throws checks and balances right out the window.

And I might add that the mis-information being spoon-fed to congress at the time was in error at best, or deception at worst.

Yes Hillary should have not supported this resolution. But she did. Thats history.

But then again she didn’t have accurate information and facts concerning Iraq.. now did she?

Cheer’s == Paul…

By Truthman

February 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Great, great quote from a Nobel physics laureate Stephen Weinberg concerning religion.

Enjoy!

John Allen Paulos is the author of the recently published “Irreligion:

A Mathematician Explains Why the Arguments for God Just Don’t Add Up.” In an interview with the Star in Toronto last week, Paulos said he defers to Nobel physics laureate Steven Weinberg when it comes to religion: “With or without religion good people will do good, and evil people will do evil. But for good people to do evil, that takes religion.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

I agree.

RE and Thomas,

Yuck.

Paul,

Nobody’s perfect!

Dusty,

I wish Bush had done a bit more clandestine work before he decided to invade Iraq. Just saying.

I too like John McCain, even thought of voting for him a few years back, but as with most career politicians, they lose their clout, and I think that’s happened to him.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

RE,

Nice post @ 3:20. Couldn’t agree more.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Are you ever planning to learn anything about the subjects you blather about?

This was a Republican Convention in West Virginia where the party muckety mucks get together to apportion a percentage of the delegates in a vote similar to the way an Olympic site is selected.

The people of West Virginia don’t vote until May.

That lesson was gratis, you’ll need to pay me for further tutoring.

By rushncap

February 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to hear what other excuses you’ll have tomorrow, once McCain stomps Mittens all over the country. I’m literally excited to read your posts tomorrow, unless, of course, you’re too much of a pu-ssy to show your face around here.

By IN THE NEWS

February 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

9/11 widows call for new investigation after revelations of White House, commission ties

By Paul

February 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Peoples for a Nuked

I know you signed off (Cheers) but if I catch you before you leave -

Just the title alone should have caused the lightbulb to go on.

Did you catch all the Whereas’s in there? Hillary’s a lawyer - she knows all about building a case - an argument - with premises. My gosh - when you read all the recapitulations that talk about using force - her explanations just don’t wash.

The Authorization didn’t supercede any part of the War Powers Resolution. In fact, it specifically stated “Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization” - doesn’t get much clearer. In fact, it referenced back to sec 4(a) 1, which states “into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances” - that’s what all those “whereas’s” were about.

All in all, it relied heavily on the War Powers Resolution. Which came into being in 1973. So it wasn’t something dreamed up by the Administration to throw checks and balances out the window.

As far as the “she didn’t have accurate information, did she?” - kind of tough to buy that, given her consistent statements going back years on Iraq. Please don’t make the case Bill duped her, too (I didn’t say she was a senator then - just referring to her experience).

As I wrote last week, this is what happens when the Party takes the “he lied, we were duped” route to absolve itself of responsibility. Kinda makes one wonder if she’d come out with the “I gazed into Putin’s eyes” comments then say “I was duped.”

Gotta admit, it’s rather fun when these arguments are made by her opponent in the Democratic primary battle!

BTW - I like your “that’s history” comment. Do you think the antiBush crowd could say the same, particularly when discussing the candidates (or even the President), and focus on a way forward? With some consistent specifics? We’re in Iraq. How and when are history. The way forward is the tough part.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Truthman

Any idea how he can go on about good and evil without a religious framework? What’s the basis for labeling something good? Or evil? Unless one reads his remark as “people will act according to their nature. But for a person aspiring to do good, who does evil, requires the judgment of a higher moral law.”

As the poet said (and many scientists believe) - God sleeps in the mineral, breaths in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and sleeps, breaths, dreams and expresses consciousness in Man.”

Plenty of people in the sciences view their work as discovering the creations of God.

Got any quotes from Nobel laureates in medicine regarding music?

Bosch

Welcome to the human race!

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Ahh, further proof of the “brilliance” of liberal demokrats:

{{{{By Truthman February 5, 2008 3:30 PM Paulos said he defers to Nobel physics laureate Steven Weinberg when it comes to religion: “With or without religion good people will do good, and evil people will do evil. But for ((((good people to do evil,)))) that takes religion.}}}}

Good people don’t do evil, mouth breather.

Once someone does evil they are evil.

I guess when you apply mathematics to something you know absolutely nothing about, instead of using common sense, then you come up with a dumb as-s conclusion, see “warming, global.”

And that makes you a dumbas-s.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

The results of the West Virginia Convention was

Huckabee first

Romney second

McCain third

Political analysis isn’t your long suit is it? Then again there’s never been a subject you seem to know anything about so maybe it is.

Be sure to watch the California returns.

By Bosch

February 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Are you trying to say that you need religion to define what is “good” in the world and what is “evil?”

I think basic good and evil is pretty universal without the constraints of religion.

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

RE,

Like you, I can see the charm of Obama. But for me, he has taken a stand that I do not accept. That is his anti-war vote. I do not think he would fight for ANYTHING, even if we had another attack on America. It is nice to wish for a sweet benevolent “singer”, but not when the country has violent enemies working to kill us. Place your own family in danger but I will fight for mine.

Bosch,

I,too, thought McCain had lost his energy at first. But he got it back. He will be just fine and I hope Guiliani will be at his side.

RW,

Many thanks, kind one. Your thoughts are much appreciated.

Getalife,

The only thing you have busted is a vein in your head. Better take it easy before you “stroke” out.

By Aaron Burr V. Mexico

February 5, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Liberals that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?

After what the Clown in Chief has done for the last 8 years and the bigger clowns like that you that support him, I’ll throw all the damn stones I want to, thank you very much.

STOP HILLARY HOPESLAYER!

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Please discuss the use of retarded young girls for suicide bombers by Muslim terrorists. What an additional horror to that of suicide bombers.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Just wondering about the implications of that quote, is all. Strikes me as a soundbite - or some confections - looks or sounds good, bit into it and - poof - nothing of substance.

I suppose I’m thinking now of religion not in the context of dogma but in the sense of a civilizing force, a framework for doing that which is not always according to one’s nature or in one’s interest. Those are general, overarching comments.

Basic good and evil universal? Hasn’t been that long that the concept of “shared humanity” has been around (that’s humanity, not hannity) - for so long, and still for some, it was “you’re not of my tribe you are no different than an animal.” Look at the attitude towards slavery throughout history. And the religious basis in the West for its abolition.

Using the terms loosely, I know. But so many set up a rigid, limited view of religion, then proceed to mock and tear down. Easy enough to do from a limited perspective. Just showing how difficult it can be to define good and evil without a view that mankind is inherently no different from the animal kingdom.

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Informal poll time: Which of the Repug candidates offers American voters the best theme for winning in November?

A. McCan’t— says we may be in Iraq for “100 years”, and “your jobs are not coming back, my friends”;

B. Mitt— trying to attach himself to Ray-gun’s tax policies in the 80’s, especially when in fact Ray-gun had to raise taxes and created the biggest deficit spending record of the 20th century;

C. Huckleberry— wants to amend our US Constitution to be in alignment with his God’s word of law (which laws I wonder? Maybe the one that calls for stoning your neighbors if they wear clothing of two types of cloth?);

D. Rain Paul— has a vision of America being isolated from the rest of the world, and all Americans will be given T-shirts to wear where on the front is the printed US Constitution and on the back is the Confederate Flag…

Hurry up and cast your vote for the “winningest” Repug theme for ‘08 — polls close @ 7:00pm!

By TW

February 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Great cartoon…too bad the clown suit hides the diaper.

By RE

February 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You said you don’t think Obama would fight for anything.

I want to know if you really believe that or if you just think democrats in general are weak.

For example, if there were a missle attack on a US warship by the state or Iran, What do you think Obama would do.

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

RB,

Dude, why don’t you go on his website like the rest of the world and lose the cynicism. I nor Obama has time to give RB from Gwinnett every detailed point of his policies.

www.BarackObama.com

Try it.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Dusty

I skirted around that - the slavery issue - within the US abolition was the result of religiously-motivated people. Now, only place where one finds sanctioned slavery? Islam.

Some will say the example you cited is not Islam. Nor practiced by Moslems (and that begs the question of what part of the Islamic world one cites). Fine. I would love to see the ‘true’ adherents rise up and abolish those people from their societies.

Then again, isn’t something like that happening in Iraq?

By Lord Chaos

February 5, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

duh,

Make up your mind gay boy!

You complain about others attacking the black man, but you call him snow flake.

Keep it up.

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

{{Place your own family in danger but I will fight for mine.}

Dusty-brain— I also will fight for my family, especially if we get invaded by China or Russia if they happen to decide that it’s time for a “regime change” here in America… you know, just like your guy Dubya did to Iraq and created all those “insurgents” who were citizens protecting their own family and country!

Can you even imagine the horror of being invaded and bombed for weeks, all because a foreign country decided it was time to remove your government with their bombs and tanks and troops on the ground? And then being forced to flee with your family for another country in order to even survive?

No wonder your guy’s surge “is working” — most of the neighborhoods have been cleared out of any ethnic diversity and millions of Iraqis are living elsewhere…

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

-=-

Paul —-

First - the big debate in congress during that year and event was over the warpowers act and how it applied to that resolution. This was one of the key reasons Democrats were against this resolution at that time. The Republicans and the Adminsitration were really pressing for this Resolution. It fully usurped the congressional powers concerning war.

However even so - the main aspect of it was that this resolution would not go into effect unless the UN had exhausted all diplomatic options concerning Saddam.

But instead of waiting for all options to be exhausted, Bush took advantage of the resolution the first chance he could get away with it. Thus we invaded a sovereign country without a clear and present danger against us.

Now comes the sticky part of the whole situation.

To this date, no Official war has ever actually been declared against Iraq. This was an invasion of Iraq without an actual war declared. Now how do you classify such an action as authorized by the resolution when the resolution clearly states authorization of force against the country Iraq?

If it is actually considered war against Iraq, then you have war and must follow the Geneva conventions of Prisoners of War.

So what is it officially?

A War against Iraq?

A Police Action?

or perchance is this invasion not actually recognized by any laws of the USA?

If we are truly at war with Iraq as authorized by the US constitution, Warpowers act (and authorized by this specifically worded resolution), then we have clearly violated the Geneva conventions concerning care of Prisoners of War.

So — Did Bush follow the rules of the Resolution yet break the rules of POW’s == or did he break the rules of the resolution, and use his powers of office to make a private war that is un-official in any sense of standardized rules of warfare?

War on Terrorism? — Nice public catchphrase, but just doesn’t wash as an official war. That’s so vague that anyone in the Justice Department would laugh and call the war illegal.

As to intelligence info available for Congress - The buck stops at Bush! The President is “the Owner” of Intelligence

Cheers’

By Paul

February 5, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Dusty

I believe I recall a debate where Obama and Hillary were one-upping each other on how tough they’d be and how they’d retaliate if America was attacked. Without seeming reckless. Quite the testosterone moment.

Both are willing to go into Pakistan. None has said how many soldiers’ lives it’s worth to kill OBL. Now there’s an interesting question for the “not one more life for an Iraqi” contingent -

By W stands for worst

February 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

So Dusty, outside of attacking the wrong country and locking up American citizens without the right to counsel, what great fight has Dubya be involved with? You think Obama wont fight yet Dubya cant seem to find the right people to fight? Would you rather have a President that attacks the proper people? Or a President who gathers all evidence and proceeds to attack the right country?

By Goldie

February 5, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 4:46— I don’t remember either Obama or Hillary stating that they would bomb Pakistan or perform “regime change” or put thousands of troops on the ground there in order to find OBL… please provide those links if they did state those tactics.

I think the intention to “go into Pakistan” could involve something other than those 3 popular military options that the Repug Party prefers?

By Dusty

February 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I didn’t see that debate. It is nice to be brave in the war the might happen but not so nice to be anti-war with the one that is going on.

I’m afraid I put that in my two-face rejection category.

W stands for W,

I do believe you have forgotten Afghanistan. AND the reports of WMD from our CIA and British Intelligence on Iraq to President Bush and Congress.

Are you in jail? I’m not. I’m not a terrorist either. We do put them in jail. Why don’t you invite them to your place and we won’t have to worry about those nice little terrorists who are so fond of Americans. Now get busy. Homeland Security will love you.

Good night all.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 5, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

By Devastator 4:38 PM |

OK sheep. I went to the site and what did I find? A bunch of empty rhetoric and promises he has no chance of keeping. Follow along from 1 single page of his creating jobs plan.

double federal funding for basic research

provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.

increase funding for federal workforce training programs

The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs.(What policies?)

Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America

Obama will invest in rural small businesses

Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. (That’ll sure help them be competitive. See the entire damn state of Michigan for evidence of how well that’s going to work)

I guess I missed the part about how he plans to pay for all this crap.

You’re a sheep, D. You’re being had and aren’t smart enough to know it.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

Peoples

Much of what I hear “debated” by many in Congress, it occurs to me, wouldn’t even be “debated” if the occupation had gone well. Really. If it had gone well, we’d been seen as wonderful liberators, we’d figured out how to include the Ba’athists, integrated the military and police forces, etc etc - all the things in hindsight we did badly - does anyone really think the Democratic Party members would have risen up and said “But we never should have gone in!! It was illegal!!”

Really does make one smile, just thinking about it, doesn’t it?

Last time we had a declared war was, when, exactly? WWII. The issues you raised were raised in the decades that followed and is one of the reasons we got the War Powers Resolution. And it’ll continue to be debated. Obama or Hillary may get hit with a war whether they want one or not. (Sorry ‘bout that, Goldie and getalife, but McCain has a pretty accurate view of some countries). And even then we’ll still have the debate.

Don’t mean to be brief (no, I wasn’t trying to be funny) but I’m catching a flight early tomorrow and have to apportion my time.

PS - I’ll hazard a guess that the only time we’ll see another Declaration of War is under Goldie’s scenario. Absent that the country will continue with this system that gives the Congress a bit of what it wants, the Executive a bit of what it wants, without the risk of either side being shut out.

By RB from Gwinnett

February 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

By Devastator 4:38 PM |

OK sheep. I went to the site and what did I find? A bunch of empty rhetoric and promises he has no chance of keeping. Follow along from 1 single page of his creating jobs plan.

double federal funding for basic research

provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.

increase funding for federal workforce training programs

The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs.(What policies?)

Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America

Obama will invest in rural small businesses

Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. (That’ll sure help them be competitive. See the entire damn state of Michigan for evidence of how well that’s going to work)

I guess I missed the part about how he plans to pay for all this crap.

You’re a sheep, D. You’re being had and aren’t smart enough to know it.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Goldie

The debate remarks were just about going into Pakistan to kill OBL. Nothing to do with the government.

Thousands of troops? Most discussions involve special ops/covert. But you know how quagmires begin. Look at Vietnam. A hundred here, a hundred there. First it’s a limited incursion with special ops. Then the target moves, and it’s time to bring in a couple companies to seal an escape route (remember Tora Bora? CIA wanted only 800 and Gen Franks still said no). Then a staging area for an aircav operation. Then the jihadists rally to the area. Let alone the tribes in the area the Pak gov’t can’t control. And so it begins…

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Lord Chaos February 5, 2008 4:41 PM duh, Make up your mind gay boy! You complain about others attacking the black man, but you call him snow flake.}}}}

Uh, wouldn’t a plea to stop the name calling be more sincere if it were free of name calling?

“Stop calling me names you f*-got.”

Look, Doomwit, Snowflake is a very apt nickname for your man, when they fall from the sky they bring much joy to children and simpletons but when they hit the ground they melt.

Is this not a spot on description?

What, would you rather I called him the second coming of Jesse Jackson?

You need to toughen up Junior, if not, you will be in for a very unpleasant surprise when you see what Romney has in store for Snowflake this summer.

And take notice too, while he is getting ate alive, Republicans don’t stoop to race hating or name jacking their opponents, we just politely tear your as-s apart.

By Devastator

February 5, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

RB,

Since you are resorting to name calling, I now know your problem.

Anything that is not spoon fed to you, you criticize. You are a lonely old man that has no social skills and can’t decide on what he wants to do on this blog or life.

Keep your vote dude. We don’t need it.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

February 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

-=-

Paul - since you bring it up - that is a very important point about the War Powers Resolution. Especially about the fact that after a length of time in putting troops into hostilities that War must be declared.

However the Resolution for attacking Iraq never says war anywhere in it. As a matter of fact it avoids the word War at every oppourtunity it can.

That is what makes that resolution so dangerous to the constitution of the United States. It is too vague, and leads to abuse of power from all sides.

I hope we learn from Iraq, seeing as we the Taxpayers will be paying for that mistake for a long long time…

Cheers’

WMD = Dubya’ Massive Deficit!

By @@

February 5, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

It’s rare that George Friedman at Stratfor discusses our domestic politics, but when he takes the time, he hits the nail on the head.

(((The issue of policies versus character has been discussed many times. One school of thought holds that the foreign policies advocated by a presidential candidate are the things to look at. In fact, the candidate can advocate whatever he or she wants, but foreign policy is frequently defined by the world and not by the president. In many cases, it is impossible to know what the issue is going to be, meaning the candidates’ positions on various topics are irrelevant. The decisions that are going to matter are going to force the president’s hand, not the other way around.)))

(((Presidents are not to be judged by how they make history. They are to be judged by how gracefully they submit to the rules that history lays down. The consensus or disinterest of candidates is not important. What is important is this: The dominant foreign policy issue facing the candidates is going to hit them out of the blue one day. Their options will be few, and how quickly they recognize what must be done as opposed to what they would like to do is about all they will be judged by.)))

(((We know that Johnson made a terrible hash of Vietnam, while Roosevelt did pretty well in World War II. We strongly suspect that if Johnson had been president during World War II he would be respected and admired today, while if Roosevelt had been president during Vietnam he would be reviled. It’s not that presidents don’t matter. It’s that they don’t matter nearly as much as we would like to think and they would have us believe. Mostly, they are trapped in realities not of their own making.)))

The only reality is “a bi-tch” from the voters who think otherwise.

By Lord Chaos

February 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Homoduh,

Snowflake is a derogatory term used to call blacks who think intelligently and accused of “acting white”. Apparently, you think blacks are suppose to be stupid so allow me to demonstrate otherwise:

I believe that Obama is the best candidate for president of the United States. I use to believe McCain was until a little birdy showed me otherwise. While receiving the lastest bl@wjob from your mother she explained that this is how she does liberals. She said that you hate libs because they have always taken up your story time with her because they needed head. she then informed me that Obama was the best choice based on his good looks and if I didn’t change from McCain to Obama, then I would no longer receive head nor give her the golden shower that she loves so much.

You see homo. All of us aren’t stupid, we just make decisions based on what’s best for our lives.

Because we talk intelligently doesn’t mean we want to be white.

By getalife

February 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

-370 on the market today.

Ouch.

Clinton challenged Obama to a debate on fixed noise.

Brilliant.

Duh,

Your RW is showing.

Willard?

Duh.

Even Alabama is voting Dem

By Paul

February 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Peoples for Nuked

Spot on about what the Iraq Resolution didn’t say. My point was, though, that career politicians reading it should have well and truly known what those innocuous words meant. Especially with the included history recitation about Desert Storm and such. Kinda like calling a Mafia guy an enforcer and people asking “oh, is that like an umpire?”

I just really, really can’t believe (or really, really, really don’t want to believe) that these elected leaders who are so much smarter than their opponents were so… naive!

Actually, the Resolution was intended to strengthen the roles of Congress and Executive “It is the purpose of this joint resolution to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgement of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicate by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations. “

As far as having to declare war after a certain time, it just requires reports to Congress. There are provisions for withdrawal //absent authorization from Congress// - kinda like the “Authorization” to Use Armed Force In Iraq!

It also says “Notwithstanding subsection (b), at any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed by the President if the Congress so directs by concurrent resolution.”

Which is why the Dems charges/countercharges of “but you voted for funding” are so trite.

By Lord Chaos

February 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMNT:

Luckoduh takes it in the a$$!

Just thought you all would like to know that I have on good faith that duh is a catcher for the Atlanta C@cksuckers!

By AmVet

February 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

I just got my 27th recorded phone message in the past two days, but thankfully this one didn’t haven’t Saxby’s repulsive voice on it.

But just as entertaining, it was someone referring to Laura Ingraham bemoaning the fact that Pat Dobson was bemoaning the fact that not ONE GOP candidate was insisting on the auto da fe for non-believers.

OK, OK, I made that last part up, but I wonder how the religious wrongs feel about the fact that based on the results to date, America has obviously, by and large, repudiated the Bible thumpers as an inane instrument of the GOP’s political power. Notwithstanding the liberal Huckabee. And notwithstanding the insistent but impotent “faithful” in the Deep South and outposts like Utah and WV.

This just keeps getting better and better. And it’ only February 5th!

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Lord Chaos February 5, 2008 5:35 PM Homoduh, Snowflake is a derogatory term used to call blacks who think intelligently and accused of “acting white”. Apparently, you think blacks are suppose to be stupid so allow me to demonstrate otherwise}}}}

I’m not an expert on racist hatred, like you are, sorry if I misused a word that blacks use to hate on other blacks.

You have to understand something about me, doomwit, I don’t see colors like you hate filled POS liberals do.

If I did, I would have never married my wife.

And I’m not really sure if you should be telling everybody how intelligent your thinking is, not very many smart people write things like this:

{{{{While receiving the lastest bl@wjob from your mother she explained that this is how she does liberals.}}}}

These are things that helpless children and simpletons say, when they have nothing intelligent to offer.

See my definition of Snowflake above, “children and simpletons,” well how about that, I busted you out.

So go ahead and add me to your childish name jacking list along with getalife and Newsie, show us your vast….”intelligence.”

By Paul

February 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

getalife

“Clinton challenged Obama to a debate on fixed noise”

And so Moveon.org is rendered impotent -

By RE

February 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Clinton is getting desperate.

She sees the longer this goes on, the weaker her position gets and the stronger Obama gets. Thats why her campaign is pushing the joint ticket, obama does not need her.

she pushes for more debates on Fox because she needs something to keep her in this, I think after tonight, even though the delagates will be close, her time will be over. Now if she would only leave the stage.

By Lord Chaos

February 5, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Luckof@g,

Don’t need to jack you boy. Head on is just fine.

Just watch the intraracial slur punk.

P.S. Tell your wife I said thanks for the hand job punk.

Told you not to mess with me.

By Apocalypse

February 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

RE,

Clinton tried the old tear jerk trick again. Fortunately nobody gives a sh…

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Evening All!

Heard a great story listening to Randi. 93 year old lady, talking about voting for Hillary today. When she was born, women could not vote, were not equal citizens with men and were still considered the property of their husbands. We have come a long way baby! (Still at 70 something cents on the dollar salary wise though)

Whether you worship, accept, tolerate, dislike or hate Hillary it’s pretty damn cool to have a woman near my age being genuinely and deservedly given a shot at the Presidency of this great nation. My genderism will be hanging out all over when I state, I think women would do a better job on the whole.

That said, I voted for Senator Barak Obama today. Feels good.

What’s the poop on Huckabee in WV? There were some reports of McCain overpitching this one - anybody heard anything?

It’s a great night to be an American.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Oh so now people that “take it up the a$$” are objects of hate for the people that “don’t want to be hated on.”

It’s a good thing you liberals created all these special interest groups, now you will always have plenty of targets to discriminate against.

Cause your hate knows no bounds nor no end.

America is figuring that out, see Klinton, Hillary.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

AmVet 5:47

I don’t think we’ve ever met. Nice to blog you.

I want to agree with I don’t see a repudiation of the Bible - I see a repudiation of humans who use a book of greater purpose for their own purposes.

Paul

Wouldn’t it be clever if Obama were to say basically, I’m not crazy about Fox and here’s why…BAMN, BAMN, BAMN….plenty of really crazy stuff is available. Then in an effort to bring us together he says, sure, but you should include a “liberal” on your team that night. May I suggest Rachel Maddow? Ed Shultz? Stephanie Miller?

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Lord Chaos February 5, 2008 5:55 PM P.S. Tell your wife I said thanks for the hand job punk. Told you not to mess with me.}}}}

Oh yeah, I’m just tore all up, can’t you tell?

Say, while we are conversing here, why don’t you tell all of us what you don’t like about gay people, besides what we already know like sucking c@ck and taking it up the a$$?

I just find it so interesting that Snowflake is pandering to the gays with sweet songs like “marriage,” while his people hate their guts.

Fascinate us, doomwit.

By The Avoidable Truth

February 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

A network news reporter told me Saturday that he has interviewed McCain, Romney, Obama and Huckabee several times each, one-on-one. [Nothing about Ron Paul.] He said that he hasn’t interviewed Hillary because he and his network will not agree to her demand to submit all questions for prior review and approval, and limit questioning to the pre-approved and negotiated queries. So, he’s forced to shout questions to her from the pack, with his competitors’ cameras rolling.

McCain and Huckabee, he says, are clearly briefed by spin doctors, but in their manner seem the same in all settings, at all times. Romney and Hillary he says seem ever dipped in plastic when they go before the press or public.

By Gman

February 5, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh is the funniest moron on this vent of many who claim to be conservative but a merely chickens that avoid responsibility for inept decisions. Please note that the end of King of Clowns George is near! HA! HA!

By Gman

February 5, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh is the funniest moron on this vent of many who claim to be conservative but a merely chickens that avoid responsibility for inept decisions. Please note that the end of King of Clowns George is near! HA! HA!

By Gman

February 5, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh is the funniest moron on this vent of many who claim to be conservative but a merely chickens that avoid responsibility for inept decisions. Please note that the end of King of Clowns George is near! HA! HA!

By Paul

February 5, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla

Obama just hasn’t gone for the hard-hitting points yet. Can do that without character assassination. Just legit questions. Like how can Hillary say she’ll address foreign investment when her family receives tens of millions from - getting too late to check - Dubai? Plus the whole Saudi contributions to the Library and payroll thing.

Some newspersons are turning into cheerleaders. Look at that NBC guy “hard not to get caught up in the cheerleading” - should be fired. At least some are distinguishing between the Fox partisans/commentators/entertainers and the hard news shows. Other networks are blurring the distinction.

As far as your “liberal” suggestions from Obama - you’ve quite the wicked streak, haven’t you?

:-)

By Glenn

February 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Yunno, there’s a local feller who just might be the one best person to answer your question about how it feels when “Bible Thumpers” get thumped: Jimmy Carter.

By getalife

February 5, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

RE,

She accepted 4 invitations for debate today. Brilliant move, she wins debates while Obama sputters and spits out his hope rhetoric.

Maybe our cartoonist will go back on fixed noise and draw them debating.

If Obama has the guts.

By Glenn

February 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Well Luckoduh,

I see you’ve got the spitball delinquents mumbling schoolyard epithets over their shoulders en route to the Vice Principal’s Office, as usual.

Well done.

By AmVet

February 5, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Good point, Glenn. As you know I am an equal opportunity Bible Thumper basher. It makes no never mind to me if the sanctimonious frauds are left or right. Keep that unenlightened century mindset out of the White House please.

Mrs. G,

I used to blog here regularly but got very weary of the same old garbage from the same old garbagemen and women, so I took a break.

But with all of the good news regarding the shellacking the neo-cons are getting, it sure is a great time to be an American!

Because no matter how this plays out now, at least it appears that we have hit the very bottom of the fake conservative barrel.

And it appears certain that the last of the chickenhawks will be toast by the time midnight tolls.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Paul

Obama asks the hard questions his voter pool might give a hoot about and understand. That pool has seen Duke Cunningham (etc.) they understand the games of politics and all the roadies too.

In human relations “shock and awe” is often counterproductive.

I read that BOR said 80% of the media is actively working to assure a Democratic President in November. He still is an idiot. If I wanted to live in la-la land I’d dance for joy at his suggestion. Hell, the American people would benefit from a media that walked the talk for the average Joan (or Joe).

If I had a wicked streak I’d suggest Cenk, Thom, Randi, Keith, Sam, or scariest of all my Dad.

By RE

February 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The way this might shape up, Obama will not need anymore debates

By @@

February 5, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

What was I thinking ml? I almost forgot to comment on the cartoon.

Big Hsus to fill.

Got it.

By RE

February 5, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

early exits at TPM

big problems for Hillary if they are accurate

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Let me offer something for everyone to think about, I got into it with a typical liberal dimwit today, a simple discussion about the election turned into a standard pinko talking point bombardment, this lib was well armed with the same old nonsense:

“Republicans want to tell a woman what to do with her body.”

“A fetus doesn’t have a beating heart for 52 days.”

I quickly changed the subject by asking her how many times she had unprotected sex with men she wasn’t committed to, it always cracks me up to see the dull glaze form when a pinko is forced to think.

But check out what tape recorded message came from her mouth next:

“Obama wants to give blacks reparations.”

Well, well, I wonder who pounded that information into her head?

That sounds like something that the Ku Klux Rodham Kampaign would be scaring their voters with, don’t it?

Ugly, ain’t it?

By Political Foreskin

February 5, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

CNN just reported that Mayor Bloomberg had to ban a float for the ticker tape parade New York gave the Giants. The float depicted piles of mannequins dressed as New England Patriots with a figure portraying Eli Manning dancing on top of the pile.

By Glenn

February 5, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

@@,

^^ Yow! Those things must be two bullseyes, your aim’s so good.

Please note that Hillary has returned some 3% of the $0.9M Mr. Hsu stole for her.

So she’s trying.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla,

Good point about the questions he asks. But it does seem his voter pool is getting broader and broader. Just ask my wife! My foreign dollar reference - should have been clearer - was during one of the debates - not the make nice one - where Hillary was coming out with some less than accurate hits. Then such a response may have been called for. Obama strikes me as the kind who can make the hard hits - but not come across as vindictive.

80 percent? Seems high to me. He does some good interviews - General Clark, Rev Jackson come to mind. Heck, even Kucinich had a good time there. Ron Paul got a tad frustrated.

With any of these folks - don’t have to like’em or hate’em. If they get accurate information out about the candidates I’m interested.

AmVet

Welcome back. Saw you here a couple weeks ago, wrote some stuff, fatfingered the keyboard and it all went away. Will be gone for a while - spent the afternoon getting info together to get off the Watch List (again) during my travels. Maybe this time it’ll take. Gotta watch what I write here, I suppose -

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Interesting development here. It looks like rather that a debate the Democrats may need to have a staring contest.

So, there you have it. Unless either Obama or Clinton drops out before the convention, there is simply no way that the nominee can be determined without the super delegates. In the broadest definition of the term, “a brokered convention” is a convention that is determined by super delegates instead of nominating contests. Through a deadly combination of a primary calendar race to the bottom and an anachronistic method of delegate selection, we Democrats seem to have already arrived at that point. Short of one candidate dropping out, there is simply no easy way that this situation can be resolved. Given that Michigan and Florida combine for 313 pledged delegates, it is likely that this situation won’t be resolved without severe bureaucratic fighting on the DNC rules and by-laws committee, or even a credential fight at the convention itself.

By Political Foreskin

February 5, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Apparently, this years superbowl was so great that it ranks 2nd only to Hannah Montana’s movie.

By Paul

February 5, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

@@

I pass the “Bad Joke Mantle” to you.

Thank you so much!

Luckoduh,

You want to see ugly, see what would happen if Romney were the nominee. It’s make the stuff with Obama seem like a dainty tea party.

By AmVet

February 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Ever since BushCo. created that boondoggle called the HSA, I joke about how John Ashcroft is watching!

Sometimes, it is truly hard to believe what the nation has had to endure these past seven plus years.

And though it is no where near the price, at least watching these apologists, thumpers and flat earth society crowd lose their limited minds is enormously entertaining!

As you can tell, I am absolutely thrilled that the country, by and large, has finally come to its senses, is no longer listening to the bullsh!t coming out of the mouths of this administration and is tossing out, lock, stock and barrel the buffoons that have wrought this upon the United States.

Way to go America!

By Paul

February 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Great. Another four years of listening to “she STOLE the nomination” -

By RE

February 5, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Obama takes Georgia.

Night all, you might not have hillary clinton to kick around after next week.

By Luckoduh

February 5, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Oh my, you need to see what Drudge just flashed:

OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37… Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45… Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45… Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42… Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26… Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30… Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48… Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46… New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47…

If the exits are even close, we could be seeing the end of the Ku Klux Rodham Kampaign.

By Rabbi Yehudi

February 5, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

For shame, PoFo. For shame!

By Heywood Jablome

February 5, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Hi Amvet. Welocome back,

-Heywood Jablome

By getalife

February 5, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Obama wins GA.

Congrats Obama!

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 5, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Mr. G travels abroad a great deal - while never making it to the watch list - he experiences many “difficulties”. I understand the trials and tribulations.

I won’t watch what I post on any blog, this is America!

80% seems high to me too. WAY HIGH! But it’s BOR after all.

Ga called for Obama.

I’m hungry. It’s going to be a long, and wonderful night.

God Bless America.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Glenn,

The best part of those Hsu Rebates that Hillary is slowly dispensing is that they’re going to the names on the donor list that probably never gave a nickel.

Note to self: Get on as many Democrat Party mailing lists as possible.

By Daluni

February 7, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

This cartoon is an insult to real hard-working clowns.