Mike Luckovich

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

Look, cartoon boy is making a mountain out of a Republican molehill.

And ignoring the Ku Klux Klinton “mountain of lies.”.

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$$$$“I am absolutely astonished that Senator Klinton, a leading candidate on the Democrat side, says she wants to surrender in Iraq, she wants to wave the white flag. After all the sacrifice we’ve made in this surge, which everybody knows is succeeding, she wants to surrender and bring the troops home, and set a date for withdrawal,” McCain said. “I have never, never in American history heard of a leading candidate for president of the United States that wants to surrender to the enemy.”$$$$

I got to give the guy credit, that was right up her fat as-s.

$$$$When the discussion finally turned to the subject of Iraq, both Romney and Giuliani went out of the way to take shots at Hillary Clinton. Romney said it was “audacious and arrogant” for Klinton to have asserted earlier in the week that progress in Iraq is due, at least in part, to the Democrats pressing to get US forces out as quickly as possible. Success in Iraq, Romney said, “due to the blood and the courage of our servicemen and women, and to General Petraeus and to President Bush. Not to General Hillary Klinton.”$$$$

Bwa.

Damn, even Snowflake is getting some shots in.

$$$$”Ku Klux cast her vote after failing to read the national intelligence estimates on Iraq,” which raised doubts in some lawmakers’ minds about the justification of ousting Saddam Hussein, Obama said during a discussion with armed service members.$$$$

$$$$”We need accountability in our leaders,” said Obama, now a U.S. senator from Illinois. “You can’t undo a vote for war just because the war stopped being popular.”$$$$

And former allies:

$$$$Then there’s former South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Dick Harpootlian, who once backed Bill Clinton but this week called his political attacks “reprehensible” and described one of Mrs. Clinton’s TV ads about Mr. Obama as “a lie.”$$$$

Bwa.

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

INTERNET EXCLUSIVE Photo surfaces of Clintons with Chicago developer Tony Rezko…KKKlintoon-‘I DON’T REMEMBER MEETING REZKO’

Bwa.

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$$$$It was a remarkable moment: A young, free-thinking presidential hopeful named Bill Clinton sat down with reporters and editors at The Washington Post in October 1991 and started saying things most Democrats wouldn’t allow to pass their lips.$$$$

$$$$Ronald Reagan, Clinton said, deserved credit for winning the Cold War. He praised Reagan’s “rhetoric in defense of freedom” and his role in “advancing the idea that communism could be rolled back.”$$$$

Heh, KKKlintoon praising Reagan.

Heh.

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$$$$Bill Clinton, with his trembly, red faced rage, makes John McCain look young. His divisive and destructive daily comportment—this is a former president of the United States—is a civic embarrassment. It is also an education, and there is something heartening in this.$$$$

Bwa.

By Shark Sammich

January 25, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

“Ah… if only LIES left semen stains…”

—Jon Stewart

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Liar

AND

Cheat

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Prevaricator

AND

Con Artist

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Perjurers

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misleader

By candide

January 25, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Leave room on Mount Liesmore for Bill Clinton.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Go Hillary!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

Go Barack!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Go John!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

The Democratic Presidential Candidates on Nuclear Weapons Elimination

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Presidential Candidate Science Smackdown: the Democrats

By mountain man

January 25, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Duh, like most true blue Repugs, knows that he can’t defend Bush or his minions, so he just goes on the attack against the Clintons. That’s going to be their whole strategy this election cycle.

My old boss used to describe repugs as “those old sorry mossyback Republicans”. I can see why.

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 25, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

I guess with Bush it’s his ears, not his nose, when he lies.

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Here is some perspective:

Clinton’s lies = 0 deaths

Bush’s lies = 4,000+- military deaths and 40,000+- civilian deaths.

I guess in the GOP’s eyes this is a tie.

By WTF?

January 25, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Shortly afterward, Obama chastised Republicans for their “sanctimony” in claiming that only they had the mettle to make tough choices in a tight budget year. And he called for “responsible budgeting.”

A fellow Democrat suddenly seethed with anger. “You got a lot of nerve to talk about being responsible,” said Sen. Rickey Hendon, accusing Obama of voting to close the child welfare office.

Obama replied right away. “I understand Sen. Hendon’s anger… . I was not aware that I had voted no on that last — last piece of legislation,” he said.

Obama asked that the record reflect that he meant to vote yes. Then he requested that Hendon “ask me about a vote before he names me on the floor.”

Hendon declined to discuss the episode. “I try to block out unpleasant memories,” said Hendon, who has endorsed Obama. “If I tried really hard to remember it, I probably could, but I’m not going to try hard because I’m supporting the senator all the way.”

Hendon said “it happens” that senators press the wrong button. But he was quick to add: “I’ve never done it.”

Obama not ready for primetime.

By N-GA

January 25, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

One of Mike’s best!

By Copyleft

January 25, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Desperate to change the subject, aren’t they? That’s because they can’t defend what Bush has done… and his aspiring “successors” are having trouble shaking off the Bush taint AND trying to inspire the faithful.

Meanwhile, Democratic frontrunners remain popular, effective, and on a smooth road to the White House. Wheee! It’s good to be a real American, rather than a Republican.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

While we’re sculpting the likenesses of serial prevaricators, we just might have to use Stone Mountain to carve out an image of Mike Luckovich.

How about Dem apples, Mikey?

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

$$$$By John in Tampa, FLA January 25, 2008 8:33 AM Here is some perspective: Clinton’s lies = 0 deaths$$$$

Really?

$$$$According to the CPI-FIJ study itself, at least 532 of the “false statements” cited — more than half the grand total — had to do with assertions that Iraq indeed had these weapons.$$$$

$$$$“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”— Sen. Hillary KKKlinton, Oct 10, 2002.$$$$

$$$$“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real — Sen. John F. Kerry Jan. 23. 2003.$$$$

$$$$“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”— Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.$$$$

$$$$“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”— Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sept. 27, 2002.$$$$

Bwa.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

The Democratic Candidates Discuss Their Crime Agendas

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

How Green Is Your Candidate?

By reebok

January 25, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

You are on a roll, ML…I guess the current political situation gives you lots of material…keep up the great work!

By WTF?

January 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

With promising signs of real progress in the past year –75% of Baghdad is now secure, up from just 8% a year ago – Soros and his brigade of leftists can’t stop thinking about defeat.

Kieran Michael Lalor, the founder of Iraq Veterans for Congress, a group of Republican Iraq war veterans running for Congress, said his campaign wasn’t surprised by the latest effort by Soros to spread lies about what’s really happening in Iraq. “But what’s disappointing is the media’s unwillingness to expose the demonstrated bias of those involved with the report. American military men and women in Iraq don’t expect much from George Soros, but it’s hard to swallow lazy reporting that enables his lies.”

The study claims that the Bush Administration issued false statements about the security threat posed by Iraq. The study is absurdly misleading, as are news reports discussing it.

By @@

January 25, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Are you and Getalife stoned ml?

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

[Handy Guides to all major Democratic Candidates

By David

January 25, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

I hope that the others who read and post here realize that Luckoduh is a simple plagarizer - most of his comments come from Peggy Noonan at the WSJ, some from other conservative writers. And Luckoduh almost ALWAYS takes the quotes out of context. Apparently Luckoduh is incapable of independent thought…..?

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Personally, I’m fed up with the left ignoring what their own leaders said about Iraq and WMD’s while calling what Bush said lies. I’ve never seen a collective group of more dishonest people than what we’re seeing today in this political environment. They act like Kerry, Clinton, Kennedy, etc. didn’t say the things they said and didn’t vote for this war. It’s just plain dishonest.

ML, you are disgusting with this toon. Are you going to publish one tomorrow with all the people close to the clintons who have met untimely deaths? You know the list I’m talking about. It has every bit as much credibility as this hit job you’ve published. You’re a talented political cartoonist, but your political bias makes you nothing more than a left wing hack. Show some balance in your work for a change.

By Blackadder

January 25, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Nice one Mike. Now that it is common knowledge that we were lied into the war will you wingnuts finally apologize? Didn’t think so. So now the whole country and the whole world knows what some of us knew all along. To the Democratic leadership: So NOW will you impeach these ba$tards?

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

[All three Democratic presidential candidates support VC tax

By flatulent Phil

January 25, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

You know duh, if I wanted to hear an A*******hole speak, I would just f@rt.

By Eric1

January 25, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

You, Mike Luckovich, are a national treasure! I love you, Man!

By Blackadder

January 25, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Copyleft 8:40

No truer words were ever spoken. I’ve always felt more like a true American than our Republican counterparts. They watch Bush’s reign of terror and continue to applaud him. How sick. How un-American.

By WTF?

January 25, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

But both Clintons, campaigning separately, have wooed black and white supporters in South Carolina this week. An event Wednesday in Kingstree underscored the tension and suspicions animating the rivalry.

After fielding questions from an audience of about 200, Bill Clinton called on a black man standing near the stage. The man said he was a pastor and told Clinton that “black America is voting for Obama because he’s black.” He said Democrats are in a “dangerous position” because if Obama wins the nomination, voters will elect a Republican in November. “They’re not ready for a black president,” he said.

Several black audience members nodded and said, “That’s right.”

“I have to tell you I hope you’re not right,” Clinton responded.

He said that despite the “mean things” said about him “in the Obama camp this week,” he would support the Illinois senator if he is nominated.

“The reason I think Hillary is more electable is not race, it’s this,” Clinton said. “If there is a security crisis somewhere between now and the election, the fact that Hillary” has served on the Senate Armed Services Committee and visited more than 80 nations “will make it much harder for them to spook people by saying she can’t handle a national security crisis.”

The self-identified pastor later refused to give his name to The Associated Press.

If the racial minefields are worrisome, they don’t keep Obama from having fun with the heavily black audiences here. The Harvard Law School graduate sometimes playfully breaks into a black vernacular, which seems to amuse him and his audiences greatly.

“I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote,” he told a crowd in Kingstree on Thursday. “I need you to get Ray-Ray to vote.”

I’m sick of the racial BS from both of them.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

8 Reasons to Choose John Edwards as the 2008 Democratic Nominee

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Top 10 Reasons to Support Barak Obama

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Top 10 Reasons to Vote for Hillary

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 25, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

I wish the State of the Union address was in 3-D. That way we could see W’s nose coming right at us. Wow, what a show that would be. DUCK!!!!!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Democrat the best choice to deal with future’s challenges

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Holy sh!t - I almost fell out of my chair laughing - I would leave Powell off the mountain though.

The looks on Cheney and Rice’s faces are priceless!

Oh that is hysterical.

By Goldie

January 25, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

I think the “Mount Liesmore” monument would be a perfect addition to Dubya’s planned “Freedom Museum” being built in Texas… maybe they can be side-by-side attractions and we’ll see who gets the most visitors over the years?

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

John in Tampa @9:28 -

Interesting.

Blackadder,

Some of the wingnuts here are just simply priceless - new tactic:

they don’t like a candidate on their side because, well, they are Republican, so instead of owning up to the weaknesses in their party, they just start calling the candidate they don’t like who is a Republican, get this, a liberal. Sad, huh?

Own your party wingnuts!

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 25, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich designs a great goofy golf hole!

What’s the next one?

A Sonny Perdue dry waterfall?

A Rush Limbaugh Wind(bag)mill?

By Goldie

January 25, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

As usual, the wingnut trolls want to think that Americans will blame the Dems equally for beating the drums of “war, war, and MORE WAR” back in 2003… ain’t gonna happen!

Like Sen. Obama said during that time period when the Repug rhetoric was ratcheted-up for WAR AND ONLY WAR: “I’m against DUMB wars.” And the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a DUMB WAR, lead and produced by the DUMB LEADERS in the White House!

And “that’s the FACTS” as some of you trolls like to declare on a daily basis…

By Paul

January 25, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

In the News

Your link on Gen Powell’s briefing – the “investigator”’s credibility suffers when he said General Powell covered-up the My Lai massacre. Gen (then Major) Powell was charged with investigating a letter received alleging atrocities in Viet Nam. It never mentioned My Lai.

Your first link on Pres Bush. So many issues strung together under wiretaps. I wouldn’t be surprised if the first part dealt with general law, later cobbled bits dealt with the issue of warrants for communications originating overseas by non-US citizens, still another part dealt with calls overseas between non-US citizens routed though “switches” located in the US. Most of these issues should be dealt with individually, with reviews of how many make their way through the courts, as well as subsequent legislation, or executive orders, to modify practices.

Nuclear weapons link: well, calling for the elimination of nukes has general agreement as a general statement. There’re a number of Republicans in the list referenced. Who will oppose it as a “yes” or “no” choice? Rather like asking “are you in favor of people eating healthy and exercising?” Answer “no”? No way. Difficulty comes when parties not part of the process want to develop and use nukes. Or who are part of the process for PR but have not intention of living up to commitments. As far as no place – ask Pakistan what they think would happen with India if Pakistan didn’t have nukes. Then ask same question to India. Gotta provide them with some other mechanism.

Mountain man 8:24

One does not have to defend the Bush administration to find fault with the Clintons. One can easily criticize both (general comment, not intended for a supporter of the Administration. Luckoduh does offer some reasonable defenses and viewpoints, although sometimes the baiting language may obscure the larger issue).

John in Tampa, ITN:

Possibly it was Saddam Hussein who lied? Won’t cite the litany of Democrats pre-first year of Iraq war who believed him and our (and allies’) intelligence agencies. Iran also believed him. Wow, there’s an interesting thought for the Bush “lied” group: if true, then Iran lied, too!

Link: [60 Minutes, Saddam Lied to Deceive Iran, thought American Response would be as ineffective as 1998](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494.shtml}

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

2008: Democrats Offer Populist Economic Message

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Democrat the best choice to deal with future’s challenges

By Paul

January 25, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

John

Well, I just found you can’t enter link info on a separate composition program and past it here. So here it is again:

Link: 60 Minustes, Saddam Lied to Deceive Iran, thought American Response would be as ineffective as 1998

WTF?

Obama admits he made a mistake and publicly so states, so is not ready for prime time? I disagree. If anything, that makes him more ready. It’ll be refreshing.

ITN 8:47

“Democratic Candidates Announce Their Crime Agenda”

I thought “really? Not even elected yet and they’re telling us the crimes they’re going to commit against the citizenry? Talk about being honest!”

Joke.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Why the Democrats will win in 2008

By Paul

January 25, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Goldie 9:46

Glad you singled out “wingnut trolls” as the criteria. Not sure who they are , though. Employees of the Lord of the Rings production company who had bit parts in the movie? Never mind…

In general, just because one doesn’t accept the “lied” thesis as applied directly to Pres Bush (although I won’t make the same argument for the likes of the Perles, Wolfowitzs and Feiths of the world) does not mean they see Democrats as pushing for the war with Iraq. Just means many people trusted the data they were given. Which data was wrong. Later denying that, but claiming instead another person willfully deceived, strikes some as disingenuous.

N-GA

Many military units or operators of weapons systems maintain organizations and web sites. A few years back I found one about the type of system my father was associated with during the war. It led me to other sites where I was able to locate some of the men with whom he’d served. A few nice phone conversations ensued.

Here’s one such site for the 325th Fighter Group. Includes your father’s squadron. Also has links for photos and histories.

Link: 325th Fighter Group

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

$$$$By Bosch January 25, 2008 9:39 AM Some of the wingnuts here are just simply priceless - new tactic: they don’t like a candidate on their side because, well, they are Republican, so instead of owning up to the weaknesses in their party, they just start calling the candidate they don’t like who is a Republican, get this, a liberal. Sad, huh?$$$$

John McCain-Feingold is in favor of suppressing our 1st Amendment free speech rights because he doesn’t like what we say, he voted against tax cuts, he offered amnesty to 25 million illegal immigrants, he compromised the confirmations of Conservative federal judges with his gang of 14 and he wants to give United States Constitutional guarantees to the women and children killing terrorists of al Qaeda.

Borsch: These are not liberal ideas?

Whine away you mouth breathing heathens, it’s all you can do against me.

Wwwaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

By getalife

January 25, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Hell, that is nothing Paul.

In the gop debate last night, gomer said we can find the WMD’s in Jordan, our ally, McInsane knew nothing about the economy except the name of his neocon advisers and Hillary Clinton won that debate and she was not even there.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Outstanding!!

And now, to prove racism and stupidity are alive and well in Georgia, I give you exhibit A appearing in today’s VENT:

When I saw the black celebrity supporters raising the “Black Power” fist while standing next to Obama he lost my vote.

This is the leading vote-getter in today’s AJC VENT column!!!

How stupid is that!?! Scared, bigoted white men all worried about not being on top anymore.

Guess what, stupid bigots? Your kind is already on the Endangered Species list (latin name: Bigotus Imbecilious), and more than 99999 percent of the world longs for you extinction.

Grumpy, stupid, bigoted racists!!

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Crap, I got ripped off. The “Great Accomplishments of the George W. Bush Administration” book I bought from Publishers Clearing House for $19.95 just came. It’s just a crappy 2 page pamphlet…and it’s double spaced at that. Plus $7.95 for shipping and handling, it came in a regular envelope.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

“25 million illegal immigrants?”

Where does Dunce-boy (girl?) get his numbers…oh, that’s right…he pulls them out of his arse, just like his “opinions!”

Yap, little doggie, Yap!!

By Putrid Myspacer from hell

January 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

The Cheney sneer in the cartoon rocks

no pun.

virus alert: do not click on the links here. the ajc cant protect your computer from the viruses that your new 1500 dollar dell might contract from the very suspicious links that ITN, and RW and that socio-wanking scrape of cheekcheese, Duhng provides. Just dont risk it.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

But I have to give timmah credit for positioning both parties on Iraq for the people to decide.

The Dems are positioned to get out and end Iraqi and corporate welfare, the gop stay the course.

On the economy, the gop and especially McCain, does not have a clue.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Bosch, the reason the media has annointed McCain the R candidate is the libs win either way. Either a far left loony lib wins, or a moderately left RINO wins. Either way, the left wins. They know that and so do we.

McCain is the one candidate who might make me choose to just vote “present” in ‘08. I don’t think he will get that far, but if he does, it won’t be pretty for the R’s.

By Dusty

January 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Well, after looking at this cartoon, I knew one thing for sure.

Luckovich will NEVER have any monument with his face or name on it.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

525 more reasons to vote for John Edwards

By Paul

January 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

getalife 10:07

Hillary won the Republican Debate?!!? I feel like Rip Van Winkle. Hillary the Republican. Who’da thunk.

Truthman

Christian Science Monitor had a good article stating how difficult it is to nail down, but many estimates range from 7 mill to 20 mill or more.

Take a look at the number estimated to come just from Mexico. Then look at Mexico’s population. Easy to come up with about ten percent of Mexico’s population are here illegally.

BTW - I still think the last Immigration proposal was better than nothing. Nothing is what we’ll have for the next few years.

By Monica Blewbillski

January 25, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

If we put my man Bill up there on that mountain, it wouldn’t be his ears that were long and sticking out.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Bosch, the reason the media has annointed McCain the R candidate is the libs win either way. Either a far left loony lib wins, or a moderately left RINO wins. Either way, the left wins. They know that and so do we.

McCain is the one candidate who might make me choose to just vote “present” in ‘08. I don’t think he will get that far, but if he does, it won’t be pretty for the R’s.

By Goldie

January 25, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

{{Just means many people trusted the data they were given. Which data was wrong. Later denying that, but claiming instead another person willfully deceived, strikes some as disingenuous.}}

Paul @ 10:04 — you may recall that there were many security analysts who stated that “the data” regarding Saddam and WMDS was not conclusive… in direct opposition to Cheney stating there was “NO DOUBT” about it.

Also, what’s your opinion about the inspectors on the ground in Iraq in ‘03 who stated that there was NO WAY there was a nuclear program in the works, and Dubya told ‘em to get the hell outta there because he didn’t want to hear that “data” and we were INVADING IRAQ regardless? How disingenious do you think Dubya and Cheney were in all this???

DUMB LEADERS in the White House in ‘03.

By mike

January 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Better leave space up there for Hillary:

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

By N-GA

January 25, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the link. We drop by the site often. When Dad’s health permits, we attend reunions. There are only a few of the WWII pilots left. Generally about 4-5 are there. Most are from the Korean conflict.

It is amazing how they all retreat to a room to talk. You can watch from a distance and see them moving their hands in combat maneuvers. Warriors all!!

One pilot, Cecil O. Dean had the tail of his P-51 cut off by his own rookie wingman (on his first mission). Fortunately Dean was able to bail out and spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. The squadron heard from Axis Sally that he had been captured…a mixture of joy and concern. Dad really cannot remember what happened to the rookie. But the details of his other stories are so vivid, you feel as though you were there with him.

back later….

By Just Curious

January 25, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

I am just curious. What is it going to take before some of you people finally admit W and his cronies are a complete and total failure?

Obviously not an attack on American soil. Lies, lies and more lies. Iraq. Scandals. Housing crisis. Deficit. Erosion of civil liberties. Gasoline prices. Fema. Rummie. The U.S.A.’s loss of respect around world. Immigration issues. etc., etc., etc.

Just what is it going to take? What else is left?

By Mike

January 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Better leave space for Edwards too. I mean this proves he is a liar, right?

“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

Edwards was on the Seante Select Committe on Foreign Intelligence at the time that he co-sponsored the war authorization with another Democrat, so spare me the “he was tricked” nonsense.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

By Goldie 10:23 AM Are you confusing a nuclear program for chemical and biological weapons by accident, or on purpose? You do know they aren’t the same thing don’t you? I think it’s pretty widely understood the WMD’s were always considered to be chemical and biological vs. nuclear since he used chemical weapons on his own people in the past. You do know that right?

Have you missed the distinction in your own statement, or are you also being dishonest about this discussion? Based on your past, either is possible.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

By Goldie 10:23 AM Are you confusing a nuclear program for chemical and biological weapons by accident, or on purpose? You do know they aren’t the same thing don’t you? I think it’s pretty widely understood the WMD’s were always considered to be chemical and biological vs. nuclear since he used chemical weapons on his own people in the past. You do know that right?

Have you missed the distinction in your own statement, or are you also being dishonest about this discussion? Based on your past, either is possible.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

mike,

That’s why I won’t vote for her. If the candidate ain’t about getting out of Iraq - and redoubling our efforts in Afghanistan - they don’t get my vote.

“It’s Iraq, Folks!” “It’s Iraq!”

When Iraq ends, oil prices shoud drop significantly (it is estimated that there is about $40 dollars of “fear factor” in the current price of oil). Once oil prices drop, the cost of goods and services should drop as well.

Plus, a good Democrat will ween the corporations off the teet of government tax dollars, so even unreconstructed neo-cons will have more money in their pockets (just like they had at the end of the Clinton Administration).

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

$$$$But now, after Klinton’s “fairy tale” remark about Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in New Hampshire and a statement in South Carolina that Obama had put a political “hit job” on him, Wider said she feels she hardly knows the former president. “I was surprised to hear him make a comment like that, because I thought he understood our people better,” “It made me think he’s been playing us all this time.”$$$$

Now she figures it out, geez.

$$$$”The tone of some of the things he said just crossed a line,” said David Bositis, chief researcher for the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, a black think tank. A 2000 survey by Bositis showed that 91 percent of African American respondents had a favorable view of Klinton. Bositis said he doubts that the number would be as high if the survey were conducted today.$$$$

$$$$Anthony Peppers, a buyer for a manufacturing firm who lives in South Carolina, said Hillary Klinton’s reputation among black voters will suffer for her husband’s outbursts.$$$$

$$$$In New York, Sharon Toomer, founder and managing editor of BlackandBrownNews.com, is not so sure that black people will turn out for Klinton. In a column, Toomer said she disagrees with novelist Toni Morrison’s tongue-in-cheek characterization of Klinton as a black president, and with pundit Donna Brazile’s statement that Klinton was a soldier for black people.$$$$

$$$$Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, asserted that Klinton did nothing to stop the massacre in Rwanda during his administration and failed to act as AIDS decimated southern Africa. Walters, too, is not sure black voters would go to the polls for Hillary Klinton in the general election.$$$$

$$$$Tom Joyner, whose syndicated radio show is among the most popular on black radio stations, recently released a statement criticizing Klinton after an appearance by the former president.$$$$

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

I think I’d like to spend a couple hours inside Goldie’s head just to hear all these conversations she thinks she hears from the back rooms of government.

Could you perhaps tape them and put them on You Tube Goldielox?

By mike

January 25, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Hey is John Kerry a liar too?

“The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Here’s one for any of you kids out there that might want to put together a time capsule. Mark this to be opened in the summer of 2013.

There are now forecasts that the North Pole ice caps may disappear entirely during summer months within five years, he told a gathering at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

By Dusty

January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Well, this may be of interest to some of you.

Carly Fiorina, former chairman and CEO of Hewlett Packer will be awarded the AJC Best Of Business in 2008 at their annual awards banquet.

Carly Fiorina was pushed and shoved out of Hewlett Packer for poor management. She must be a liberal.

By Paul

January 25, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Goldie

I think that’s the nature of the analysis business. There will always be dissent, compromise and a majority opinion. And if it’s a really big issue, there will be those who after the fact said “I was right.” But that’s small consolation.

Opposite holds true, also. But in this case, given chem, biologicals and nerve agents, not nukes, many would have considered it very risky to make the assertion that, even if no longer existent, would not be redeveloped, quickly, in the future.

Some of the language was strong. Gave false impression it was either/or. It’s not. But that’s how politics works. I do think there were some within the administration who saw Saddam as a time bomb. Given what we’d been told about his ambitions for years and years, well, when 9-11 hit, I think the possibility, in some peoples’ minds, of Saddam hooking up with terrorists, grew. And one element in such risk analysis is not just the probability of an event occurring, it’s the probable impact if it should occur.

Just saying how I think the situation probably developed, at least in part.

One guy who as at the forefront, whose assessments were correct and even stronger than official UN Reports, but who was shut down (from what I’ve seen, in a case of political retribution and hardball rarely employed) was Mark Ritter. Lots of garbage about him on Google. But when he became a pariah and absolutely no news organization would interview him, after the criminal charges were revealed as bogus, the first to interview him about his experience, why he said everyone else was wrong and what happened to him? Fox. Not relevant to this conversation, just had to get that in.

I do hope what we have now are Congressmen and Senators who will actually read and study information given to them that forms the basis for a momentous vote. Some things shouldn’t be delegated to staffers. Some may have read it and still voted for war. But at least they would have more fully discharged their responsibilities. No one to blame but themselves, there.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Yes, the big, bad repudlickers bashed her because was not there, They sre scared to death of the Clinton machine.

CNN is running a segment on Tony Rezko that Obama supporters should watch. Obama got a $300,000 deal on his house from Rezko. Obama admitted it was a mistake.

Anyhoo, the Dems admitted it was a mistake after the 935 lies and no WMD’s, the gop will never admit it.

This is why they will lose this election.

By Mike

January 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Gee, Mikey didn’t put any Democrats up there, despite the fact that most said the same things as Bush.

It’s almost as if he is an intellectually dishonest partisan who judges people by their political affiliation instead of their actions.

By mike

January 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

getalife -

So what you are saying is that when Bush said Saddam had WMD he was lying, but when Hillary said the same thing she made a mistake?

Real simple: did Hillary lie when she said Saddam had WMD and a strong relationship with Al Queda?

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Oh mike,

No Democrat was running around the White House two days after 9/11 begging to attack Iraq!

No Democrat was in the White House when Bill Clinton’s $87 Billion budget surplus was given away to the rich and to corporations.

No Democrats were in the White House when Cheney and the oil executive decided they could pump up gas prices at will, make unprecedented profits during wartime, and screw the average American (even neo-cons).

No Democrat was in the White House when Terry Schiavo was used by the neo-cons to deny science and a man’s right to let his wife die with dignity.

No Democrat outted Valerie Plame

No, those are all traits of the murderer-in-chief and his “Gang of Many!”

Pendeho!!

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

By Truthman 10:39 AM

{{{When Iraq ends, oil prices shoud drop significantly (it is estimated that there is about $40 dollars of “fear factor” in the current price of oil). Once oil prices drop, the cost of goods and services should drop as well}}}

Hey economist TM, why don’t you wow us with some more of your “banks make money by keeping it in a vault” logic from yesterday and tell us what about us leaving Iraq will make the price of oil go down $40/barrel? You do understand supply and demand as it relates to pricing on world markets, don’t you? How will us leaving Iraq change the demand in Saudi Arabia and south america.

I sense name calling and change of subject coming…but no answer.

By Paul

January 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

getalife

“Two and a half Men.” CBS. Monday nights. Reruns of all episodes all week long.

Not political. Just funny. Somehow, I think you’d enjoy the humor. And Charlie Sheen’s girlfriends.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

RB in GW.

You’re mixing me up with someone else concerning the “banks and vaults” and all that claptrap.

Demand means nothing. It’s the stability of regions from which we get our oil that causes the great price fluctuations (remember the ’70s after the Iranian hostage crisis?). That didn’t involve Saudi Arabia or S. America, either. But oil prices soared.

Now, do you understand…I didn’t think so? You are de king of De Nile

By RB from Gwinnett

January 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

By Truthman 11:28 AM

My bad, that was economist “..Nuked”. Brilliant economist… :-)

So why has it taken 5 years for the price of oil to get to $100/barrel? If stability in the region was the driving factor, we would have seen it skyrocket on day 1 of the Iraq war. Things are much more stable over there today than they were 5 years ago and even a year ago. Your logic doesn’t seem to hold true to the facts, TM. Also, of the top 5 countries we import oil from, 75% of what we import, only SA is in the region of unrest. Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and Nigeria aren’t anywhere near there. So what’s the threat to them, dimwit? You did know we get more oil from Canada than we do from Iraq, didn’t you? Or are you all mouth and no brain?

By Mike

January 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Truthman -

Yeah they were running around the Senate begging to go to war. Who sponsored the war resolution? Two Democrats.

Of course, you don’t care about actually holding anyone accountable.You just want another reason to hate folks who don’t share your narrow and intolerant view of the world.

I could give a crap about Schivo or Plame or any other stupid partisan subject. You brought that crap up out of the blue because you didn’t want to answer why Hillary is not a liar for making stronger statements about Saddam/WMD/Al Queda than Bush. Clearly you don’t care about the truth at all. You just want to bash Republicans.

Keep being a sucker. Buy all the bull put out by liberal pundits and Democrats. Stick to the party line and never think for yourself.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Yes mike,

After the 935 lies and no WMD’s they admitted a mistake. The gop will not, except for Ron Paul, of course. Did you watch the debate last night?

The voters will have a choice this election.

Stay in Iraq and keep wasting lives and money or get out.

The majority will vote to get out and vote Dem.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

A TIMELINE OF THE IRAQ WAR

MARCH 19, 2003: Bush launches invasion of Iraq

MARCH 30, 2003: Donald Rumsfeld: We know where the WMD are

APRIL 1, 2003: Pfc. Jessica Lynch recovered by U.S. forces. What the Pentagon framed as a heroic rescue was later revealed to have been staged.

APRIL 9, 2003: Saddam Statue Toppled The Los Angeles Times later reported that the fall was “stage-managed” by the Army.

APRIL 11, 2003: Donald Rumsfeld: Stuff happens

Think what’s happened in our cities when we’ve had riots, and problems, and looting. Stuff happens! … Freedom’s untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things, and that’s what’s going to happen here. [DoD briefing, 4/11/03]

APRIL 16, 2003: Bush signs $79 billion supplemental spending bill for Iraq [DoD, 4/16/03]

APRIL 23, 2003: USAID Administrator Andrew Nastios Claims Rebuilding of Iraq Could Be Accomplished With $1.7 Billion

MAY 1, 2003: Mission Accomplished [M]y fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. [Bush, 5/1/03]

MAY 9, 2003: Paul Wolfowitz: We agreed on WMD rationale for bureaucratic reasons

MAY 29, 2003: Bush: We found the WMD

JUNE 6, 2003: Rumsfeld blames Iraq problems on “pockets of dead-enders” In those regions where pockets of dead-enders are trying to reconstitute, Gen. Franks and his team are rooting them out. In short, the coalition is making good progress.

JULY 2, 2003: Bring ‘Em On There are some who feel like — that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on.

JULY 6, 2003: Joseph Wilson writes op-ed in the New York Times It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such [yellowcake] transaction had ever taken place.

JULY 11, 2003: Condoleezza Rice: Doubts about Iraq intel were not communicated to Bush All that I can tell you is that if there were doubts about the underlying intelligence in the NIE, those doubts were not communicated to the President.

KEEP READING AT LINK!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

An Updated Timeline on Taking the Country to War against Iraq

Summer 1999: Mickey Herskowitz, ghost writer for Bush’s autobiography, says candidate George W. Bush was talking about war with Iraq before 9/11.

January 2001: Paul O’Neill reveals that at Bush’s first National Security Council meeting topic “A” was how to take out Saddam.

Late 2001: State Department says the U. S. obtained information through various channels reporting that Iraq had attempted to procure uranium from Africa.

Feb 6, 2002: George Tenet testifies that Iraq is still a concern, but threat from North Korea or Iran is greater. He testifies that Saddam still wants to reconstitute its nuclear program, but there is no evidence that he is doing so right now.

Feb 2002: Ambassador Wilson is asked to investigate the Saddam-Niger nuclear charges. He reports back that there is absolutely no truth to this. Report submitted to CIA and back to Cheney’s office.

March 19, 2002: Tenet tells Senate Armed Services Committee that Iraqi regime “had contacts with Al Qaeda”.

Spring 2002: Reports of Iraq trying to procure a kind of high-strength aluminum tube surface. Very soon, disputes arise about whether these tubes can be used as claimed.

July 2002: Senator Bob Graham requests report from the intelligence community about the threat from Iraq because no official report had been created that validated the numerous charges seen in the news.

July 21, 2002: DSM: UK Cabinet Office Paper: Conditions for Military Action. The Secret Downing Street memo

July 23, 2002: DSM: Prime Minister’s Meeting, 23 July, 2002. The minutes of a top-secret meeting reveal that Bush had decided to go to war against Iraq and Britain will help provide evidence to sell the war to the world.

Aug 26, 2002: Dick Cheney kicks off the march to war with the assertion: The risks of inaction are far greater than the risk of action.

Sept 8, 2002: Judith Miller and Michael R. Gordon publish a report about Iraq purchasing aluminium tubes as components to build centrifuges for building nuclear weapons.

Sept 12, 2002: White House White Paper published about Iraqi threat.

KEEP READING AT THE LINK!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Damn! I wanted them in reverse order.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Well Spamster, you could have just posted them in the reverse order then.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Look at the “two” groups that came up with this phony 935 lies bit.

But where the lines on the graph really come together is on one Charles Lewis. From 1977 through 1988, Lewis was an investigative reporter at ABC News, after which he moved on to CBS News to serve as a producer for senior correspondent Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes.

{{{{{Lewis then founded CPI in 1989, and served as its Executive Director until December of 2004. FIJ was founded in 2003 by — Charles Lewis, while he was still serving as CPI’s Executive Director.}}}}}

By Foster Keats

January 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Wow, it’s amazing how dumb the red neck are who still support Bush. Just read the comments around this cartoon…

By getalife

January 25, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Not amazing, just another day of the right getting punked.

It happens everyday because they love love getting punked.

935 times, just on Iraq. The total lies are off the charts.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

NEWSBUSTERS!!

WOW!

A far wing nut web site vs.Center for Public Intergrity.

I guess folks will just have to make a choice for themselves.

Newsbusters = Media Research Center
Media Research Center Inc. is a conservative media watchdog group run by president and founder Brent Bozell.

Funding The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc. Sarah Scaife Foundation Castle Rock Foundation John M. Olin Foundation, Inc. The Carthage Foundation JM Foundation[4]

Extra!, the magazine of the progressive media watch group Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting, has criticized the MRC for selective use of evidence—the MRC had complained, for example, that there was more coverage of government death squads in right-wing El Salvador than in left-wing Nicaragua, without mentioning that there were roughly a thousand times more extra-judicial killings in El Salvador. Extra! also characterized the MRC as wanting to force out of the media any opinions that it disagreed with, even tracking the off-screen political comments of actors in a project that the magazine said “bore an uncomfortable resemblance to Red Channels, the McCarthy Era blacklisting journal.” [2]

The liberal media watch group Media Matters for America has also repeatedly criticized the MRC, charging that they view the media “through a funhouse mirror that renders everything—even the facts themselves—as manifestations of insidious bias.” [3]

Next he’ll be quoting Newsmax! Or what’s that other silly one? Toe dancing in a liberal minefield!

Ridiculous!

Does he really think most Americans don’t know Bush lied?

Laughing all afternoon thinking of it.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Romney Cheats With an Earpiece! Well folks that’s it for the Mittster - he was caught on tape with an earpiece! Listen for yourself as someone whispers “he raised taxes”:

By Copyleft

January 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Mike: You’re right. I never supported this war, and I will not vote for any candidate who supported it without later admitting they were wrong.

That leaves all the incumbent Republicans out of the running, as well as all their current presidential prospects, doesn’t it?

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Back from Lunch: Mo-Joe’s..Mmmmm!

Ready to tilt at the windmills.

By luckovichisaheadcase

January 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

This cartoon ranks as one of the stupidest. Let’s have one that the 911 Commission would have approved of: featuring Warren Christopher, Madeleine Albright, Tony Lake and BILLARY!!!! Remember, Bill did nothing about the 1993 Twin Towers bombing, the USS Cole and many other terrorist attacks. They were treated as law enforcement problems. Yes we can send the police out and just arrest these folks. I guess we could have done the same with Hitler? You folks are a bunch of appeasing dweebs who will sell us out for a bottle of gin!!!

By getalife

January 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Check out headcase, unhinged about a freaking toon.

Dude.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Oh c’mon getalife,

The Loch-o-Dunce IS great theater…theater of the absurd, but theater nonetheless!!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

NEOCON CHOW

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

What makes this whisper even more bizarre is the fact the MSNBC’s political blog had a post about it immediately afterward. You can see a screen grab of that post here. They have since removed this particular entry. Odd.

By @@

January 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Putin’s all about gas!

Two posts:

((The Serbian leadership and Moscow signed a deal Jan. 25 on energy cooperation. Specifically, the agreement deals with the potential sale of 51 percent of Serbian energy monopoly NIS to Russian state energy firm Gazprom.))

((For President Boris Tadic — who lost the first-round presidential vote Jan. 20 to Nikolic — there are two concerns. The first is securing an electoral victory in the second-round election Feb. 3. The second is pushing Serbia in the direction of Europe — specifically via the signing and implementation of a Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA), the first step toward EU membership. Achieving these goals means forging an agreement with Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica in order to gain Kostunica’s endorsement (the votes of Kostunica’s supporters should be enough to make the difference and give Tadic a victory).))

((Tadic opposes the NIS sale both on principle (he finds the Russian lowball offer insulting) and in strategic terms (a rival offer from Austria’s OMV would deeply integrate Serbia into European structures). But this is all secondary to his vision for Serbia (joining the European Union) and achieving re-election. If supporting the deal earns Kostunica’s endorsement on both counts, then support the deal he will.))

((For Kostunica, keeping everything in play is the preferred strategy, because as things get locked down — whether those things be the NIS sale, a Kosovo independence declaration, or progress on accession talks with the European Union — his flexibility diminishes. In the current case, Kostunica has managed to put himself (again) in the middle of everything. Tadic needs him to get re-elected, Nikolic needs him for the NIS sale, Europe needs him to get the SAA agreement approved, and Russia needs him to get its foot into the Serbian energy sector.))

By @@

January 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Cont’d.

((For Russia, the NIS deal really has little to do with Serbia, and is more about nailing down as much economic influence in Europe as possible. Russia, via Gazprom, has been trying to get a hold of pieces of Europe’s distribution and retail natural gas networks for three years. But European fears that Russia plans to use these networks to exercise political influence have prevented Russia from making more than negligible progress.))

((According to the agreement signed in Moscow on Jan. 25, the NIS deal has only been agreed to in principle. The pesky detail about price is still up in the air and subject to further discussions — which in essence means the entire deal is not yet done.))

((For Tadic and Kostunica this is an ideal scenario. The deal is not yet permanent, so Kostunica retains his position as kingmaker while Tadic could back out of it once the second round of Serbia’s presidential elections are behind him. Nikolic and the Kremlin, of course, would have preferred a firmer deal Jan. 25, but the agreement is certainly a step in the right direction for them as it gives more momentum to closer Russo-Serbian relations — although obviously not as much as they had hoped.))

Paul:

You called them Russia’s “bumps” the other day. I’ll call them “burps”.

The Unraveling of Russia’s Europe Policy

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

If you had any idea how broadcasting works you’d realize that your mystery voice is someone coaching Tim Russert on his question and the feed got picked up.

I almost bet the Thomas/PNAC would be honest enough to back me up on that.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Willard also said he did not care about the voters. The fix was in, rudy busted them by saying they discussed the questions they would ask each other before the debate and not bash each like the Dems.

It was a fraud to punk the gop supporters again. Too easy.

Hilarious.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Well, the best man for the job just dropped out!!

Goodbye, Sen. Kucinich, America isn’t smart enough for you. I know you’ll serve your nation well in the Senate (or cabinet??). Plus, you have your super-hot wife to come home to every night (meee-ooww!!).

Barack, Barack, he’s my man!!

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Here’s something for you dimwit liberals to whine about:

$$$$Iraqi security forces have begun a “decisive” final offensive against al Qaeda in Iraq to push the Sunni Islamist militants out of their last major stronghold in the north, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said on Friday.$$$$

$$$$”We have set up an operations room in Nineveh to complete the final battle with al Qaeda along with guerrillas and members of the previous regime,” Maliki said, referring to other Sunni militants the Shi’ite-led government says remain loyal to former leader Saddam Hussein.$$$$

$$$$”Now we have a real army. The days when the militants could do anything in front of our armed forces are gone,” Maliki said.$$$$

The Code Pinkos fill their diapers over WMD, meanwhile back in the adult world, the United States and their Iraqi allies wipe out al Qaeda.

Or are they crying cause the United States is wiping out al Qaeda?

Makes you wonder, don’t it?

By luckovichisaheadcase

January 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

getalife - you really do need to get one. I am not unhinged by the stupid toon, just pointing out the hypocrisy of you liberals who would rather surrender than live free. You would have taken the part of the Tories in the Revolution, the ‘Copperhead’ Democrats during the Civil War and the Lindbergh America-Firster appeasers during the lead up to World War II - oh if we just talk to Mr. Hitler we can convince him to stop all of this. You are definitely not in the tradition of FDR, Harry Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. You are just in the tradition of Lindbergh, Chamberlain, Deladier and Marshal Petain!!!

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Truth?man,

Are you the one that often brags of his UGA journalism degree?

Congressman Kucinich got out to try to save his House seat because while he’s been roaming around on his ego trip his district has been feeling ignored and he’s picked up a few primary challengers.

By luckovichisaheadcase

January 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Truthman - we might take you a little more seriously if you would get even basic facts right. Dennis ‘the Fool’ Kucinich is not now, nor has he ever been a Senator. He is a United States Representative from Cleveland, a city he once ran into bankruptcy. Open mouth, insert entire leg!!!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

RW

If your theory is correct when can we expect Tim Russert to tell us that?

Let us know, will you.

By Can't Resist

January 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

George Bush was President of the United States, a nation he ran into bankruptcy!

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

It isn’t a theory and I think you saw your proof when PMSNBC realized what idiots they looked like by putting up that blog post and quickly scrubbed it.

Clueless spammers like you would find some web site to say that Cheney tortured Russert into saying it anyway.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

headcase,

You are losing it, good little german.

You have been punked by 935 lies on Iraq alone and yet you still trust the government like a good little german.

We did not swallow the lies like you, good little german.

BTW, dissent from the English government formed this country. You would have supported the England.

By Diogenes

January 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Excellent cartoon, Mike. I presume that the dedication ceremony will be February, 2009, in some obscure Texas town or another, a town where science has stopped and truth has never ventured?

By junk in the trunk

January 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Trashman Trashman he’s our man!

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Yes, @@, Russia sells natual gas, and they have the world’s largest reserves. So?

By getalife

January 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

And look duh, believing the Iranian puppet malarki.

Of course, they want us out of there, the billions are not in the budget anymore fruit loops.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Again, RW Let us know when Russert confirms it.

Clueless human beings like you don’t think Cheney would torture anybody.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

What: Special Event with John Edwards

When: Sunday, January 27, 1:00 p.m.

Where: Market on Madison Farmers Market 314 West Madison Dublin, Georgia

By junk in the trunk

January 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap and I have the largest reserves of gas. His just comes from the mouth.

dppppppppttttt

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Nevermind RW

I found it for myself

[The mysterious whisper that could be heard just before an answer from Mitt Romney at Thursday’s Republican debate was the result of a microphone malfunction, an MSNBC spokesman tells RAW STORY.]

Excuse me, but I just don’t trust you.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

President Clinton will get out of Iraq and they know it.

You will see them get off their a-ss because the gravy train has left building.

Show some respect to the next President, President Hillary Clinton.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

I’ll include the Who in your What portion since Edwards is mentioned, but the missing journalistic piece to your post @ 2:44 is WHY?

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Anyone care to explain to RW that John Edwards is running for President? I’m not up to this task, personally.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Rep. Kucinich, sorry about the mistake. Thank you for being so gracious to point that out to me, and in such a nice, polite way. Y’all must be from the South!?!

Either way, he was the best choice for America, but never got the press like the media darlings Obama and Ms. Hillary.

Oh well! Go Barack!!

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

You could save yourself a lot of time and embarrassment by trusting me, especially when you’re in my field of expertise.

If I wanted an expert in mindless leftist spamming, you’d be my first source.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Oh, RW, you are just a pill!

By junk in the trunk

January 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

oh pendeho man wants some courtesy?

penga

By getalife

January 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

More like a tool.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

RW

Experience teachs me other wise.

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Junk in the trunk:

You are no RW. Go away and blog over at the “News for Kids” site where you belong.

-TM

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Let me know how that turns out for the ambulance chaser. Lyndon Larouche is probably still running for President too.

By junk in the trunk

January 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

ok, race baiter

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Hey, RW, by that logic the entire GOP field should quit to spend more time with their families / money / gay lovers / lobbyists. Since none of them have a chance at winning the general election next November, why are they bothering? And yet, in the interest of keeping The Daily Show afloat they persevere. Good for them.

By @@

January 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

In a Jan. 18 op-ed in the Washington Post, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie, an independent but influential Shiite politician affiliated with ruling Shiite Islamist coalition the United Iraqi Alliance, wrote that “the political objectives of Iraq’s three main communities are unrealizable within the framework of a unitary, centralized state… . Resolution can be achieved only through a system that incorporates regional federalism, with clear, mutually acceptable distributions of power between the regions and the central government.” Al-Rubaie is not just talking about how to get the various groups to agree upon a power-sharing formula under the existing system, but to reach a settlement on an entirely new system — one that does not entail a central Iraqi state but instead sets up a federal state that gives extensive autonomy to its regions.

Of course, such essays appear with disclaimers that they reflect the views of the author, not official state policy. But the reality on the ground in Iraq clearly shows that al-Rubaie is expressing the views of large and significant groups in the Iraqi political landscape. The Kurds already are enjoying the fruits of federalism in the north, and the most powerful Shiite group — which also happens to be the most pro-Iranian — is calling for a similar autonomous federal region comprising the nine Shiite-majority provinces in southern Iraq.

There is great opposition to both federal zones from various Sunni — as well as Shiite — quarters within Iraq, and also from the United States, Turkey and neighboring Sunni Arab states. Aware of this, al-Rubaie proposes a new federalist model of Iraq, consisting of five provinces: A “‘Kurdistan province,’ including the current Kurdistan and surrounding areas; a ‘Western province,’ including Mosul and the upper Tigris and Euphrates valleys; a ‘Kufa province,’ built around the Middle Euphrates governorates; a ‘Basra province,’ including the lower Tigris and Euphrates valleys; and a ‘Baghdad province,’ built around Greater Baghdad, which may include parts of Diyala and Salah ad Din governorates.”

“We remain committed to a federal, democratic, pluralist and unified Iraq in which there is full respect for political and human rights,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said then. “A partition government with regional security forces and a weak central government … is something that no Iraqi leader has proposed, and that th

By @@

January 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

How very nice to read you again. So much to read elsewhere and so little time to read your crap here.

(((Yes, @@, Russia sells natual gas, and they have the world’s largest reserves. So?)))

Well Duhhhhhhhhh! Putin uses it to blackmail European countries to gain strategic global influence and the European countries aren’t buying it. They’re seeking ways around it. Serbia is hoping to do the same while misleading Putin into thinking they aren’t.

“natual” ^^^ rushncap? Is that baby-talk or do you have a speech impediment? I’m trained to help you with that.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’ve known you long enough that I’m not even a tiny bit surprised that Edwards has any chance. When President Romney has been in office for five days we can revisit this post in the archives.

ITFS,

I guarantee you that the BS MSNBC gave Raw Story isn’t what happened either. That voice had nothing to do with Romney’s mic.

By @@

January 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

So that’s why the box goes red…

cont’d.

“A partition government with regional security forces and a weak central government … is something that no Iraqi leader has proposed, and that the Iraqi people have not supported.”

Biden pointed out that Iraq’s constitution “allows for the creation of federal regions.” The document was approved overwhelmingly in a vote of nearly 10 million citizens in 2005.

“Whether it’s three regions or five regions or 15 regions, this is a technicality that will be left to Iraqis on the ground.” “What we need is a system of governance such that a multi-ethnic, sectarian society can live with one another. The centralized government has failed since its inception.”

Sen. Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat also eyeing the presidency, said the Biden-Gelb plan might ultimately be the path Iraqis choose. “It may break down to that,” said Dodd, who fears such a division might lead Iraq’s neighbors to attack one or more regions and expand the fighting.

I don’t know if this will work or if they’ll be able to implement it, but I do know that the decision had to be left up to the Iraqis and it seems as though it’s under consideration.

Talabani, who advocated a federalist Iraq has recently invited Ahmadenijad for a visit.

Hmmmmmmm, who knows where this may go?

Patience…patience…patience—it’s something Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and President Bush shared. Not so with the Democrat’s top three left in the race.

Mmmmm mm mmm mm m!

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

@@

pulling directly from stratfor with out sourcing them is illegal RB would holler and e-mail the management.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Hey, RW, by that logic the entire GOP field should quit to spend more time with their families / money / gay lovers / lobbyists. Since none of them have a chance at winning the general election next November, why are they bothering? And yet, in the interest of keeping The Daily Show afloat they persevere. Good for them.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Salt Lake City Utah 3/9/07 (Ridiculous News Service) Persistent rumors have been circulating for the past two weeks that Democratic Party operatives are working hand in hand with disenchanted Justice Department judges to build a hidden system of secret jail facilities. The jails are to house the expected influx of Neocon criminals once control of the executive branch passes in 2008. A high Democratic official who insisted on remaining anonymous as a condition of speaking to reporters has partially confirmed the rumors.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

President Romney, RW? I’d laugh, but I’m in a meeting, and the presenter might get offended.

Trust me, @@, no one is going to try to double-cross Putin, not in Serbia. Say what you will about him, no little country will want to get him mad.

As for speech impediments — thank you, I’ll pass. I’m trained to help you with thinking impediments too, but I’m not about to.

By @@

January 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

ITN:

You’re right—it is illegal. Problem is I’ve been jumping around so much I’ll have to check to make sure it was Stratfor. I’ll find the source and correct my error. Probably was though.

I read more at Stratfor than anywhere else, then I go check out what other sources are saying on the topic.

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

NIGHT OF THE LIVING REPUBLICANS

By IN THE NEWS

January 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Republicans, Hookers, and Gays. Oh My!

By Truthman

January 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

@@, I DO know that Biden has supported partitioning Iraq for quite awhile, as have I. It’s the only solution that will work, very much like Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina (sp?).

I do not, however, ever remember Bush endorsing a partitioning of Iraq. He wants to pound that square peg of centralized gov’t into the round hole that is Iraq.

Gonna need a bigger hammer than he has!

By @@

January 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

It was Stratfor ITN but I can’t link (subscription only). I googled for the Biden, Dodd, McClellan quotes.

Just wanted to see where everyone stood and who was left “outstanding in the field.”

Edwards.

Obama.

Clinton.

I’ve always said Biden was the dems best candidate. In case it’s escaped you guys, the three remaining are echoing Biden’s “safe pull-out” argument NOW, but they sure weren’t until Joe pointed out their reckless venture of immediate withdrawal.

I didn’t agree with Joe on a lot of issues, but he was no dummy.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

If you matriculate into the real world one day you’ll find that meetings are something you’re supposed to be a part of. The business world will spit you out pretty fast if you spend time diddling around on a cartoon blog instead of participating.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

RW — please don’t tell me how to do my business, and I won’t tell you how to… well, whatever the h3ll it is you do. Whine, I guess. Deal?

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

ITN:

Bush has always said that the Iraqi’s future is dependent on THEIR decisions, not decisions that are imposed on them by the U.S. We’re offering security that allows them to settle their differences.

Turkey may be a problem, but Turkey is looking very interesting lately. U.S. allowed them to take on the PKK. Turkey and Greece have decided to put their differences aside for the time being. It seems Turkey is jockeying for regional influence. We could certainly do worse.

rushncap:

(((Say what you will about him, no little country will want to get him mad.)))

Europe is a large continent made up of little countries. It is Europe proper who wants to cut him down to size.

Try to remember rushncap—each country sets their own strategic interests above those of others. A heavy-handed overlord is not something they want to engage or experience. They’ve been there…done that.

I find it interesting that you would find Putin so intimidating. Must be the time you spent in diaper camp.

By Putrid Myspacer from hell

January 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

matriculate? You use that word alot, RW. I dont think it means what you think it means.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Polly,

Why don’t you go find out how many times I’ve used every word and then collate that info for us. It would certainly take a load off the servers while you were out doing that.

rushncap,

Just trying to be helpful. If you want to waste Mommy and Daddy’s state college money by remaining a ill tempered loser you go right ahead.

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Damn! My mother in law had a freaking heart attack on me right after my last post this morning.

My animals freaked out when the ambulance came up in the driveway. What a crazy day!

Thank God hospitals have WiFi, waiting rooms are so incredibly boring.

I’m already so bored with this part of the campaign. It’s like watching animals eating their young.

When are the conventions? I’m tired of all this already.

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

RW: Methinks rushncrap is at a mast-urbation workshop and he finished….early.

$$$$$

All you need to know about McPinko:

$$$$We have strong disagreements with all the Republicans running for president… . They are too wedded to discredited economic theories and unwilling even now to break with the legacy of President Bush… .$$$$

$$$$Still, there is a choice to be made, and it is an easy one. Senator John McCain of Arizona is the only Republican who promises to end the George Bush style of governing from and on behalf of a small, angry fringe.-Treason Times$$$$

Well, whatever small credits McCain-Feingold got from me for wanting to bomb Iran, they have been erased from the board.

Being endorsed by the NY Times is the ultimate act of treachery.

I’ll bet it made that dimwit happy.

The only reason they did it is because they hate Rudy with a purple passion, cause he made them look like idiots when he was mayor.

This is just another whiny outburst from the cry baby Code Pi`nkos.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Man, I keep forgetting! I think I tried talking to @@ as an adult today. Gosh, you get too busy for a few weeks, and forget the #1 rule of the board: @@ has the maturity of a week-old puppy.

My apologies, @@. I didn’t mean to tease you so cruelly by treating you as an equal.

RW — actually the state pays me to go to school. What’s the matter, afraid that state schools are sapping away your welfare funds? Don’t worry, gramps, I’m sure you can get Mexican Viagra for only a few pesos.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

RW,

I have a blog post up at Idgit Watch, updated to include ITN’s comments.

IN THE NEWS, This is for you.

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Damn! My mother in law had a freaking heart attack on me right after my last post this morning.

My animals freaked out when the ambulance came up in the driveway. What a crazy day!

Thank God hospitals have WiFi, waiting rooms are so incredibly boring.

I’m already so bored with this part of the campaign. It’s like watching animals eating their young.

When are the conventions? I’m tired of all this already.

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t know a darn thing about military aircraft other than they don’t have to flap their wings to get somewhere. I do like the term “military dominance” though. Makes me feel all warm and cozy.

(((The Pentagon could soon announce the next step forward in hypersonic research. The new vehicle, known as the HTV-3X “Blackswift,” has many notable features and could take U.S. military dominance to a new level.)))

(((Instead, the Blackswift will be able to launch without the assistance of either another aircraft or booster rockets, and it will be reusable. To accomplish this, the HTV-3X reportedly will include more conventional turbojet engines to get it off the ground and up to speed, as well as more advanced high-speed ramjet and scramjet engines. Meanwhile, all of these engines reportedly will be built to function with fairly conventional fuel. The airframe also will function better than earlier designs as a lifting body at lower speeds — meaning the airframe will not need an exceptionally long runway to take off or land at extremely high speeds.)))

(((Should the program be funded and prove successful, it could provide strong impetus for moving forward with a recoverable hypersonic delivery vehicle capable of delivering precision munitions to the other side of the world in a matter of hours,))) (or minutes within a confined region) taking U.S. military dominance to a new level.)))

Military dominance to a new level. I yike it!!!!

Now what is it that the Russians are peddling? Oh yea….outdated junk.

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

Puhleeeeeze! We’ve been through this before.

(((Man, I keep forgetting! I think I tried talking to @@ as an adult today. Gosh, you get too busy for a few weeks, and forget the #1 rule of the board: @@ has the maturity of a week-old puppy.)))

Your first post to me…

(((Yes, @@, Russia sells natual gas, and they have the world’s largest reserves. So?)))

Translation: Big deal….so what. Age appropriate for?

Grade 3.

GFY (Good for you) little fella.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

{{{By Bosch

January 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this}}}

Is that a Borsch Belt joke, or are you serious? You seem more annoyed that your dogs barked than the fact that your children’s grandmother had a heart attack.

Good thing you thought to grab that laptop!

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Sorry ITN my 4:31 was from Stratfor again.

By Paul

January 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

getalife 3:52

“President Clinton will get out of Iraq and they know it. “

I’m still waiting for reporters to ask her where she’s going to redeploy those tens of thousands of troops she wants to keep in the region. Or when she’s going to ask the countries where she wants to put them if it’s okey-dokey with them.

“Show some respect to the next President, President Hillary Clinton. “

It’d be nice to have such civility, but after the example set by the farleft the last eight years (or some farright a few years before that) it’s likely an unrealistic expectation. Another legacy of the Clinton and Bush dynasties. Hmmm, maybe we should elect someone who hasn’t been part of the acrimony? Oh, who could that be?

@@ 3:26

“Iraq - a federal state that gives extensive autonomy to its regions…”

Golly! Sorta sounds like how America got started, doesn’t it? Some people will still complain.

BTW – remember who was one of the earliest proponents of that? Yup. Senator Biden. (oops. Just got to your 3:35. You got it right). Then again, he still wants to invade one or two Moslem countries. Oh, well, can’t have everything.

Dodd’s still trying to be a player? Who says Democratic Presidential candidates don’t believe in resurrection?

@@ 3:43

Of course it was Stratfor. You wouldn’t expect that kind of writing from a wire service, cable entertainment/news show or the Comedy Central news guys, would you?

Truthman 3:51

Not to make you depressed, but we still have troops over there. I related once before: when then-Chairman, JCS General Shaliskavili said before the deployment not to worry, the troops’d be home by Christmas, a couple of people asked “Christmas of what year, General?”

Some generals have no sense of humor.

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

So how long does Rudy have left in the campaign? I wonder if he’ll go the distance, or drop out. Curious.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

@@ — you should ask daddy before talking to strange men. He might not approve. Run along honey.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

I don’t know which is funnier, the moonbat(ic)s going nuts over mystery voices in debates or rushncap admitting he’s a ward of the state.

BWAHAHA

Luchoduh,

That would explain why he’s over here while everybody else is looking at their laptops and still going at it.

By Paul

January 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Truthman

Make that “Shalishkavili.” People deserve to have their names spelled correctly.

Bosch

Hope all goes well.

You do realize that when this settles down, she recovers and returns home we are going to gleefully pepper the board with comments about how you drive poor, defenseless ladies to heart attacks, don’t you?

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

Sorry to hear about your mother-in-law. I hope that all turns out well…her included.

I’m sticking with Rudy. This campaign season has been too unpredictable. I don’t follow the polls just to get behind a projected winner like so many of the dems have done.

Winning matters to me only when it comes to American military conflicts.

By getalife

January 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

FYI, Bi Danish’s stupid blog has a site meter to see where you are posting from and post it here.

Paul,

Time to rest the troops and restock the equipment. Have to go into Pakistan to get obl since w failed.

You should have whined about the second bush disaster because it is 2 to 1.

Lets even it up 2 to 2.

By @@

January 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

(((@@ — you should ask daddy before talking to strange men.)))

That ^^^ you are rushncap but I wouldn’t be bragging about it.

By @@

January 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish should include the incident where the gang members went on YouTube inviting the Gang Task force to “come an’ get ‘em some.”

The task force did! Now the local jail has new inmates.

Idjits?

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

{{{RW — actually the state pays me to go to school.}}}

Rushcap,

Did they adopt this program in North Carolina?

Georgia After-School Program Will Pay Students to Study

By Paul

January 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

getalife,

serious: any intervention into Pakistan, depending on the scope and duration (unless it’s a covert op - think Pres Hillary’ll have any success with the NYT about not reporting secret operations whose exposure would endanger American’s lives?) could be a lightning rod. Even if Pakistan continues to roll up jihadists it could serve as a reinvigorating event.

Besides which, I just plain find it real amusing listening to pundits and politicians describe why it’s wrong to invade one country but okay to invade another.

not serious: you do realize the tv show recommendation was made in good faith to help you recover from Fred’s wife dropping out of the race?

By Bosch

January 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Paul and @@,

Thanks, she’s fine now. Well, not fine, but she will recover. It was just really scary. I think in addition to myself, the cheeseburgers/fries, pizza, and fried cheese sandwiches (yes, fried cheese sandwiches) actually had more to do with it. Heart attacks are really scary, but my hats off to paramedics/EMTs.

Regarding Rudy - I have to say, I’m very surprised that Rudy isn’t doing better than he is. I don’t take much from polls either, I’ll be curious to see how Florida turns out.

Regarding McCain - I have to say as well, I’m also surprised that he is doing as well as he is. I thought he was finished a while back.

I expect Edwards to drop out soon.

This just isn’t one of those campaigns that’s so predictable. I like it better this way, but I am growing tired of the nastiness - I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though.

When are the conventions?

By @@

January 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

General Kiyani can handle Pakistan, with or without Musharraf.

He appears to be willing to let Musharraf go as long as he can though…up to and until the elections predict the mood of the country.

It’ll be interesting to watch.

By Bear

January 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

You’ve been had, RW. You dont have the talent to spot aliases or imposter ID’s. You’re wrong again. I posted twice all day.

But so what, enjoy miller time

moderation, sir

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Didn’t your mommy teach you not to lie, RW? Then why do you keep doing? Don’t you know that Jesus will sodomize you in the afterlife for that?

@@ — I think it’s charming you’re attempting to pun. Like a dog trying to ride a tricycle. Only… sadder, somehow.

Muffin — I’m not surprised you don’t know the difference between high school and college. From your educational vantage point that’s like the difference between flying to Vega and flying to Alpha Centauri.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

From BOTW, a Bye-ku for DK.

Surely he is an

Unidentified object

But he does not fly

Others are here

By @@

January 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

You’ve gone beyond strange and graduated to “wierd” with your 5:26.

Warning to Parents!!! — Put blocks on your young daughter’s computers. This “wierdo” has admitted to engaging them in his auto-erotic behaviors.

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Well, this helps explain why it took the state of North Carolina 2 years to locate Eric Rudolph, who was eating out of the dumpsters behind the police station the whole time:

$$$$By rushncap January 25, 2008 4:27 PM RW — actually the state pays me to go to school.$$$$

GFY, rushncrap, not many people can luck up on a job where they pay you to carry on a torrid love affair with the images on your company laptop.

$$$$

$$$$The Dallas Morning News editorial page felt compelled to comment, writing that “there’s something disconcerting, even diminishing, about watching a former president get down and dirty on the campaign trail.”$$$$

$$$$For Americans the finger-wagging recalled KKKlinton’s similar gesture when on television he furiously denied accusations — later proved true — of his having had sex with White House intern Monica Lewinsky when he was president.$$$$

And look who figured this out, seventeen years after the fact:

$$$$John Kerry, the Democratic Party’s 2004 nominee for president, took aim at Bill KKKlinton Friday, telling the National Journal the former president does “not have a license to abuse the truth.”$$$$

Bwa.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Wow, I didn’t remember @@ losing all semblance of sanity this quickly before. I leave for a few weeks and the senility really starts to hit home, eh?

Anyone with experience working in hospices care to translate what she’s babbling about?

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncap

January 25, 2008 5:26 PM}}}

Too bad you have the sense of humor of a seriously troubled individual.

Seriously. What kind of person things like this, except for sickos and punks?

{{{Don’t you know that Jesus will sodomize you in the afterlife for that?}}}

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

But a trove of 14,000 text messages that emerged this week tell a different story: The mayor and his chief of staff carried on a flirty, sometimes sexually explicit dialogue about where to meet and how to conceal their numerous trysts.

Why do you think the AP didn’t mention the Mayor’s party affiliation? I guess 32 paragraphs didn’t leave them the space to squeeze that in.

By @@

January 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

(((GFY, rushncrap)))

That’s a given for sure!

Doing it as we type no doubt.

Ick!

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Muffin, darling, read your own Bible. Hell is a place of pain infinitely worse than “sodomy”. Don’t get mad at those of us who know your theology better than you do.

Oh, and do work on your vocabulary. It’s really hard to get offended at being called a “punk”, try as I might.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Look at what this weirdo is fantasizing about now.

{{{{{From your educational vantage point that’s like the difference between flying to Vega and flying to Alpha Centauri.}}}}}-Space Kommander rushncap

Even though Vega is about 21 light years further from earth than Alpha Centauri, you can’t really fly to either rushncap.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Hey RW, how about that admission that you were fathered by a muskrat! Wow! Amazing. How’s your relationship with daddy?

By Sister Catherine

January 25, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Hell, in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, is associated with fire and with the kind of obliteration that, to the ancient peoples, only fire could bring about.

May I ask then, what is your Scriptural warrant for concluding that this makes Hell a place of pain?

By Paul

January 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

No wonder municipal governments spend so much. What kind of internal controls do they have? Looks like more public servants have forgotten who they work for and who pays for their “gotta have” equipment and services.

RW - the political party was implied - they didn’t have to explicitely state it. Guy was married, committing adultery, lied on the witness stand, impeded justice, misled investigators, lied some more, of course he has to be…

oops. Guess a certain party doesn’t have a lock on the morality card.

rushncap

Whatever doctrine you wish to follow is fine. You might want to think in symbolic terms, though. Especially the hellfire stuff. Other seems so literal. Then again, I’ve always wondered why there aren’t more fundamentalist engineers.

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

$$$$By Sister Catherine January 25, 2008 6:04 PM May I ask then, what is your Scriptural warrant for concluding that this makes Hell a place of pain?$$$$

Sis: I wouldn’t go that deep with it, after all, we are talking about rushncrap, aren’t we?

What he’s trying to say, in his little college boy focus group approach is that since choking your chicken feels good, than it must be morally better than being condemned to hell.

He’s got a firm grip on the center of his little universe, hahaha.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Little punk rushncap,

It’s about the sacrilege, dude. It’s kinda like making a joke about sodomizing someone’s mother, only worse.

It’s just not done in polite society, but what would you know about that?

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Well, if it’s “symbolic” then there is no hell, no punishment for unbelief, no reason TO believe, and pretty much all of Christianity falls apart.

What am I missing, Paul?

By Sister Catherine

January 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Oh. I see. C’est une probleme especialle, ne c’est pas?

Well, I suppose I could assure the lad that my husband still takes no interest in sex.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

{{{{What am I missing, Paul?}}}}}-by rushncap

I’ll await Paul’s answer, but that could be a mighty long list.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

Well, if it’s “symbolic” then there is no hell, no punishment for unbelief, no reason TO believe, and pretty much all of Christianity falls apart.

What am I missing, Paul?

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Muffin — considering your whole name basically means “I support sacrilege and you should too”, you probably should — how do they say it in polite society — shut the hell up.

RW, I guess the muskrat blood’s a-boilin’ inside ya, eh? Smile! You might burst a vessel and lose some fur.

By @@

January 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

I’ve always interpreted Hell as a “place where one is separated from”.

rushncap has but to look down and…

“Whoop der his is”…then the embrace.

Ick!

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

@@, can’t you get Cinemax at your trailer and stop talking about my genitals? I’m flattered by your obsession, but that feeling of flattery is quite overwhelmed by complete repulsion that a senile old hag is obsessed with my body. I’m no expert on “polite society”, but maybe if you ask Muffin she’ll let you know if obsessively talking about sexual organs of someone else is acceptable in one. Go get a vibrator and a Cheney poster, and go to town. Leave me out of your sexual fantasies, if you please.

By RW-(the original)

January 25, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Must I remind you that it’s you Darwiniacs that think your parents are various land and sea animals? Or some primordial sludge or something. Which is it with you?

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Muffin — considering your whole name basically means “I support sacrilege and you should too”, you probably should — how do they say it in polite society — shut the hell up.}}}

Do tell what is sacrilegious in these cartoons.

I don’t see anything like sodomy going on there, but maybe I’ve missed something.

Meanwhile it doesn’t surprise me at all that you approve of this sort of censorship. Stalinist thinking must be in your DNA.

By @@

January 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

but you’re such an easy target rushncap.

So helpful too.

You enter here flexing “your muscle”.

I really think we’re doing you a favor with our SEVERe punishment.

You’ll go blind you know!

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

RW — I have no idea who these “Darwiniacs” are, but I guess they’re as grossly misinformed about the life on this planet as your creationist / ID / nutbag crowd. Are these “Darwiniacs” as ineducable as you, RW?

By Paul

January 25, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

LOL! Could be. I’ll be brief, not too cryptic, I hope.

rushncap

Having fun yet?

Most anything written from the old texts can be symbolic. Repetition of certain numbers - 40 days and nights of testing, 40 days and nighs of flood, symbolism of 40, same with the 12. 40 years of wandering in the wilderness by Israelites. Symbolism of old ideas dying away (generations) to fully embrace going to new state of consciousness. The stories - Moses going into the wilderness, symbolism of confusion of what one can do vs what is right. Raven going from the ark, Egyptian symbols of doubt. Dove - God’s love - seen again throughout New Testament. Esp. with olive branch. Lot’s wife to pillar of salt. Salt - preservation. Going out of limited understanding, looking back, holding on to old ideas, never coming fully into the God consciousness.

Even the names. Israel. Isis. Ra. El. Masculine and feminine. Administrative. Power. To the heavens (higher).

Jesus as teacher. Example. The heaven within. Hell - limitation, separation from greater good.

Lotsa reasons why Christianity works for many. Again, whatever works for you. Or doesn’t. But is isn’t simply a case of reading something one way and thinking everything is predicated upon that.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

{{By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:38 PM}}}

Temper. Temper.

There is something very odd about someone who thinks it’s a.o.k. to talk about sodomizing Jesus, but is offended by the Mohammed cartoons.

I’ve always known that you are a sensitive child, but perhaps you could share with us which particular cartoons you found the most offensive, and shocking enough to start riots, cause multiple deaths, and put publishers in prison.

By junk in the trunk

January 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

awww, rushncap just needs some junk in the trunk up in his face.

just don’t touch it with those hairy palms cream corn.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Muffin — even a reasonable 5 year old would know that what’s sacrilegious to one religion isn’t to another. So either you’re stupider than an average 5 year old (very possible) or you’re playing dumb and hoping that the rest of this board is (in which case you’re stupider than an average 4 year old). Take your pick.

Careful, @@, I might cum all over your wrinkly face and drown you. Just think of your relatives at the wake “Oh, the poor thing, how’d she go?” “Oh, drowned in a jizz fountain… she’s with god now”. You might want to spare them.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

{{By rushncap

January 25, 2008 6:38 PM}}}

Temper. Temper.

There is something very odd about someone who thinks it’s a.o.k. to talk about sodomizing Jesus, but is offended by the Mohammed cartoons.

I’ve always known that you are a sensitive child, but perhaps you could share with us which particular cartoons you found the most offensive, and shocking enough to start riots, cause multiple deaths, and put publishers in prison.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Muffin, darling, distract yourself from shiny things for a moment to listen: I have no problem with blaspheming ANYONE. I can just as easily talk about sodomizing Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, Peter, John, Paul, Moses, Zeus, Easter Bunny, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Krishna, Isis and a billion other invented gods and prophets of invented gods. You, however, have no problem blaspheming some, but rear up on your haunches when someone blasphemes yours. We adults call it “hypocrisy”.

OK, you may go back to shiny things now.

By Buy Danish

January 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Sorry about the double post.

rushncap,

Wow. You really do push the envelope of moral relativism even for an overgrown toddler.

You see no difference between talking about sodomizing a religious figure and a drawing of someone wearing a turban?

By @@

January 25, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

rushncap, you’re just too hilarious for words but I’ll try…

This is an internet site.

No physical connection allowed.

You may think of yourself as a powerful “little squirt” in here but no physical damage can be done.

Thanks for the laugh though. You’re well worth the effort.

By Luckoduh

January 25, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

$$$$By Paul January 25, 2008 6:11 PM Whatever doctrine you wish to follow is fine. You might want to think in symbolic terms, though. Especially the hellfire stuff. Other seems so literal. Then again, I’ve always wondered why there aren’t more fundamentalist engineers.$$$$

Paul: Not many engineers get to study what happens to the soul after death and then live to tell about it.

And most engineers I’ve met in my life are mental basket cases, although well versed in their chosen studies, usually too hung up on the details to see the, uh, big picture.

Christ has given all of us a choice. Either except Him as your Savior or be separated from Him, which is the place better known as hell.

As far as suffering, who really knows? I never been there and I don’t plan on going. Just like some people have faith that they rose up from the pond scum, I have faith that I was Created by God the Father Almighty, a very loving and merciful God.

And He ain’t no Mohammed.

By Paul

January 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh

That was a nice encapsulation. Thanks.

Glad you saw the humor in the engineer example. I even have a couple engineer friends. Religious, too.

One definition I heard of religion (some, anyway) - helps people do something better than what they would be or do if left with their own devices.

Pleasant weekend, all.

By rushncap

January 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

Muffin, darling, I know you’re dumb. Really, I do. I get it. You’re really really stupid. There is no need to keep belaboring that point. We’re all on board. What do you want, a congratulatory fruit basket? A phone call from the President? What are you seeking?

@@, do you spit or swallow? I’m curious! Also, given the choice would you rather go for a rusty trombone, or a Cleveland steamer? Oh, and lastly, is there any tread left on the tires at all or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down the hallway?

By @@

January 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

I realize that your sex life is a comedy of errors, but then that’s because you receive your sex education from cartoons.

FAMILY GUY Family Guy What a show

(((Stewie (to one of the prostitutes at Cleveland’s house): So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?)))

(((Plus, it’s educational: remember that episode of Family Guy, when Peter loses his job and tries out a bunch of alternate occupations? Remember the scene when he’s moonlighting as a streetwalker and propositions Lois? Remember how he leans through the car window and offers her a “Cleveland steamer”? Yeah… I didn’t get the reference either. But now, thanks to Gerry Bednob’s hilarious monologue, I do. I also know what a rusty trombone, dirty sanchez and Cincinatti bowtie are, Bob help me.)))

Was this you goofing off at work rushncap? Did you give the winner a Cleveland Steamer?

(((I’ve come across a quiz from a friend while goofing off from working: Test out your Family Guy Knowledge. I will post answers later. and yes……Yes, I am this bored….yes…I am that addicted The prize is a Cleveland Steamer. HA!)))

I had to google all ^^^ that because my sex life is normal and very gratifying.

Thanks for the peek into yours though—very revealing.

Comic books aid you during your frequent moments of frustration.

Whodathunkit?

By rushncap

January 26, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

@@, you still didn’t answer the hot dog question. How’s the tread on them tires, eh? Must be all worn out, I bet. Does your hubby have to knock at the back door to feel anything other than a stiff breeze? Hmmm? Just wondering…

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