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Obama’s message

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By Goldie

January 9, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

The Clinton Machine grinds on…

Oh, and Obama is still Da Bomb! He has the good judgment that America needs so badly now… as opposed to Hillary’s “experience”, and we all know what that has done for America. She will pay a big price for having voting for Bush’s war back in ‘03…

Obama = good judgment.

Hillary = who knows where her “experience” will take America next.

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Dang Mikey, these toons are hard to read.

By w00t

January 9, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

So true…

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Boy did the media and polls get it wrong on Obama/Clinton! (me too)And they are still keeping John Edwards invisible.

This is going to be fun.

I heard a caller on Randi’s program yesterday ask an interesting question.

Which would be easier for the GOP? A sexist campaign or a racist campaign?

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

My condolences to Meredith Emerson’s family. My God have mercy on her soul.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

The problem with NH voters is about 50% of them are considered “undeclared” or “independent” — which obviously means the same as “Wishy-washy”…

By luckovichisaheadcase

January 9, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Please read Dick Morris’ piece on his website (vote.com) and understand that although he knows how to run a successful campaign his analyses are usually wrong. He is soooo wrong this time too. She obviously did help herself with women with her crocodile tears. He is right that Hitlery is NOT of the proper temperament to be President. She will not win because in the end her negatives are much too high.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

WEBMASTER— please put the old “Yes-No” voting buttons back at the top of this blog… these new fancier buttons are slowing this blog down to a crawl!

By reebok

January 9, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

This really screws up Fox “News” and hate radio…they don’t know who to start lying about yet! This could drive Rush Limbaugh to start taking drugs!

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

After the speedboat incident in the Gulf of Hermooz (sic), President Bush says he has no plans to invade Iran.

Oh, he is still going to attack them…he just has no plans.

My apologies to Leno.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Did you see CNN using Tom Delay and Ralph Reed as GOP election analysts?

Couldn’t they get a couple of un-disgraced Republicans?

By TW

January 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Pleading ignorance before I aask this, but…is the balance, or lack thereof, of votes in the NH primary insignificant? Does it mean nothing that so many more participated in the Dem vote than did the Rep vote?

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Woot, from your 6:21 yesterday, you did a very nice job explaining sceintific theory of how the earth and planets MAY have been formed, but, once again, you have completely ignored the question I asked you. You did not answer a single question I asked you yesterday. Not one! Why? Do you not have answers? You claim to have supperior intellect, but you can’t answer simple questions? What gives? So let me keep asking until you give an answer or continue to embarrass yourself with your “superior” intellect.

If all of the planets were formed from the same debris field, why are their compositions different?

I’d also like to have a link to a site showing where the scientists who believe your theory is correct have been able to duplicate the events in a lab environment. I’m sure if this is in FACT the way it happened, they should be able to provide FACTS to support it, right? I don’t want opinions, just the facts, man, just the facts.

Are you going to step up to the challenges, woot, or are you going to duck and dodge, change the subject and call names?

By IN THE NEWS

January 9, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

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By Bosch

January 9, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G -

Happy New Year! I hope Joe ate lots of treats. We got a new surprise for Christmas. On Christmas Eve we came home from church and a little kitten was perched on top of the wood pile, so what do you do……”sorry, no room for you in the inn?” No, my daughter had a fit, so we have a new Christmas kitten. Yeah! Just what we need (sarc).

Anyhoo - I didn’t see the election coverage last night, busy finishing a project, but I have to ask if you are kidding about Tom Delay and Ralph Reed. Are you serious? Why not just throw in Mark Foley and Larry Craig as well! Yeah!!!!!!!!

Not a big Hillary supporter, but her speech was pretty good, it’s the only one I heard as I was going to bed.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Happy New Year to you to!

A new kitten! Joe would consider that a treat.

I saw a picture of Meredith Emerson on one of her hikes sitting next to a dog that could have been my Joe. After this, I may stop my solo trips up to the lake to let Joe swim.

Right there on what the Righties laughingly call the Commie News Network were Reed and Delay! Damn that liberal media.

What a world, eh?

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla 8:33

{{{Which would be easier for the GOP? A sexist campaign or a racist campaign?}}}

Spoken like a true liberal. EVERYTHING is about race and gender in your world, isn’t it? If you don’t vote for Obama, it’s because he’s black. If you don’t vote for Hillary, it’s because she’s a woman.

How about this for you MsG. I’m not going to vote for either one of them because they are socialist leaning liberals who have no accomplishments to present to the American people to show they’re competent to be president. How about that? You see any race or gender in that opinion?

How about one more for you. If Condi ran against ANY of your socialists leaning liberal candidates, I’d vote for her and MILLIONS of R’s would too. I’d vote for Colin Powell over your sad lot. Drop the race and gender issue, libs. It’s YOU who are keeping that division alive in the American populace.

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Obligatory cartoon comment: Did the scribbler knock this one out before last night’s results?

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Whether one chooses to make the claim that Reed and Delay are disgraced is immaterial to the fact that they are both excellent election analysts. Kudos to CNN for choosing talent over partisanship.

By the way, are they ever going to let Tom Delay have his day in court to refute those trumped up allegations?

I long for the day when the concept of innocent until proven guilty returns to this country. How’s that for change?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

How’s this for you?

I don’t really give a flip about your opinion.

I think you are dead wrong about most thing - I assume the feelings mutual.

For, those whose opinion I respect, I ask the question again.

What would be easier for the GOP? A racist campaign or a sexist campaign?

The reality based community is preparing for the GOP to go dirty.

I think they’d prefer Hillary, because a misogynistic attack would be easier.

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

I think your racist/sexist question is better asked of your fellow Democrats. Clinton has already begun them both.

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The Glacier cried, Obamania died…?

Actually I’m more inclined to think that the press making Hillary inevitable in Iowa made some of her support feel they didn’t need to bother and conversely when they made the claim that Obama was going to win by double digits they made it easier for some undeclared voters switch over to McCain.

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See y’all at Happy Hour!

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Ms. G, Somehow, I don’t think you respect anyones opionion who doesn’t agree with your way out there left opinions. Not very open minded are you?

Personally, I hope Hillary wins your nomination because she’ll get killed in the general election. Not because she’s a woman as you’d like to believe, but because she’s…well…Hillary. See Iowa.

By ron

January 9, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Mrs.Godzilla,I think a gender campaign would be easier for the cnnserves to swing.Rush can blather on about Fem-Nazis and old women ,but he’d have to be careful not to go over the line with Obama.He would have to put half his mouth behind his back to accompany his half brain he keeps there.I believe he keeps half his brain back there tooo,as I’ve seen no evidence that it’s anywhere else.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G.

Don’t let fear keep you from what you love to do.

I expressed my condolensces yesterday for that poor girl, but the more I read about that, the more gruesome it gets. It aggrevates me that they must print every last detail - give this family a break.

I know I break the liberal code with my death penalty beliefs, but they need to bring back hang, drawn, and quartered for people like that guy who did this.

Back to politics, I think Hillary is a much easier target than Obama. Sexism is much easier to keep subtle than rascism.

For example, the crying incident. I heard someone from Hillary’s campaign on NPR this morning praising her for that - saying it shows her passion, I just thought, “idiot” don’t you remember Pat Schroeder? I know that was a while ago, but a woman politician should NEVER cry in public.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see anything wrong with expressing emotion, but a woman politician crying in public is like bleeding in shark infested waters!

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Ms. G, Somehow, I don’t think you respect anyones opionion who doesn’t agree with your way out there left opinions. Not very open minded are you?

Personally, I hope Hillary wins your nomination because she’ll get killed in the general election. Not because she’s a woman as you’d like to believe, but because she’s…well…Hillary. See Iowa.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Yes, RB from Gwinnett, the problem is that you don’t think.

By tiff

January 9, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett, first of all the ladies name is Condoleeza not Condi. At least show her some respect. And if you and the rest of the R’s, as you put it would only vote for her because she is an R, that means none of you have a mind of your own, or can think for yourselves. You just go into the booth on election day and do what you have been trained for so many years to do, punch the hole next to anything that has an R next to it. “HOW SAD”. One of the things I give most democrats credit for is this. They will at least listen to the candidates and base their votes on what that person can do to move this country forward, and if they think that person will do the right thing by it’s citizens and the rest of the world. But R’s tend to only vote for a candidate if they’re an R. And I think that is far worst than being a racist or sexist. You see I can tell from your comment that you don’t like or have any respect for Condoleeza or Colin. You only know that they think like you. So you deal with them. And when you deal with a black person just because you hate another group of people, your still a racist.

By Apocalypse

January 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

What do you think about the theory that the woman who questioned Hillary was a plant?

By Tipsy tiff

January 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Hold your water tiff. Colin Powell doesn’t think like GWB.

Now p** off.

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

W: Don’t forget, Israel is the good guys and Iran is the bad guys. Please don’t embarrass us over there…any more.

Hillary says: “That’s what I think of polls”

Huckahoo?

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Apocalypse,

Happy New Year to you!

You know, to be honest, I don’t know too much about that. I haven’t watched the debates, I do alot of my work at night, so I missed the debates.

I really don’t know all the details of that, what happened?

When I first read your post, I thought you meant “plant” as in house “plant.” I envisioned a nice fern talking to Hillary.

By Diogenes

January 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Excellent cartoon, Mike.

The plight of Mr and Mrs Voter is, as you so accurately depict, that the Bush administration has run the car of state off the cliff and taken us down with them.

By luckovichisaheadcase

January 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Please actually CITE any lies told by Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh about any Democrats or Republicans. You won’t find any. I can promise you one thing, if you Democrats stop telling lies about the Republicans, the Republicans will stop telling the truth about the Democrats!

By Shawny

January 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G, obviously, the GOP will go neither sexist nor racist in the general election scuffle. They will go mostly toward experience. Neither have executive experience. Neither are long term senators either. Neither have sponsored legislation of note (and that is their primary job).

What the GOP will hope for is exactly what they got yesterday, and that is a close Democratic race. They need HRC and BHO to attack each other down to the wire. Gives them more ammo later in the general fight. It is one thing for a republican to say one of them is unqualified because of , but another thing entirely if they say it among themselves.

By Dubya

January 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Do you suppose Mr. McCain will now begin to elucidate on his favored 100 year occupation of Iraq? And that we are “winning” and must continue to “win” there? Will he take the U.S. on another quiet, pleasant, completely safe lil shopping tour in downtown Bagdaddy on a Saturday afternoon, stating that no security “is necessary” even as a huge area was blocked off for him by thousands of troops and tanks? What was the purpose of that fraud? If that didn’t destroy his remaining credibility, what does it take for the rancid American masses to sit up and notice? God bless Murcuh. Allah Akbar!

By Apocalypse

January 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

The woman in Clinton’s audience asked her “how are you doing”? That’s when Hillary started swelling up “tears”. I believe this was a desperate move to court the women vote and it worked.

The only problem with that is I don’t want my Commander in Chief “crying” when pressure comes. Its cool for my mom, girl, or sister, but not my president.

Obama in November!

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

tiff,

I have always had a lot of respect for Colin Powell. He has always seemed like a stand up kind of guy. He, like the rest of us, got duped by W, and the other horsemen of the Apocolypse (no offense, Apocalypse). He had enough sense to not continue on with this perpetual legion of incompentence and mayhem. In interviews I’ve heard with him, I think I could vote for him, based on his character, now his details about issues? I don’t think Powell would have been so gung ho to go to war if he’d had the correct information. No one would have (well, no one with a brain). He’s a military guy who knows the consequences of war.

Domestic issues and Powell? I’ve never really heard him say what he believes, but I’d bet they’d be pretty conservative, and depending on how conservative, I could possibly go with him.

By tiff

January 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

By the way as for the Hillary crying incident. I also believe that shows a lot of passion and caring in a candidate. Something we have not had in this country in a long time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being emotinal and passionate. I mean look at what we have in the white house now. Two of the most uncaring, unfeeling, dryest, dullest people on the face of this planet. But that says a lot about the republican party in general. I mean have you ever really listened to people like Rush, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity or any of the right wingers give their opinion on issues concerning this country and world issues. All they care about is themselves, do anyone see anything GODLY in that.

By Midori

January 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

congrats on the kitten. Cats are great. I have four of them myself :)

By Paul

January 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

reebok

“This really screws up Fox “News””

I turned on the Fox national news at 7 and who did I see on a lengthy interview? Barak Obama.

Then at 7:30 who came on for a live, extended interview? Hillary Clinton.

What it screws up is continuing, inaccurate generalizations. The buzzword is “change” remember?

G’morning, Bosch

When Hillary had her moment I thought , oh no, here we go again with a Sen Muskie reaction. Thankfully we didn’t have that. Glad the country’s moved past the “no emotion” nonsense (as I think interviews with NH voters illustrated - also on NPR this morning, many voters said they felt Hillary wasn’t an unemotional robot after that).

Hillary handled her interview on Fox in such a way that if she keeps it up it could cause a real problem for Obama. Part of it may have been the interviewees’ style - not so much a setup statement followed by a gotcha question as other news shows do - but much more conversational. Even after two hours’ sleep she looked relaxed. Rather the same interaction you see when she’s sitting at the table with a group of voters.

Right at the end there was one statement that I think caught her off guard. The guy said “Sen Clinton, the Fox News poll was closer to the actual vote result than any other major poll.” I imagine she was thinking “what? Fox said I was ahead?!!? Wait’ll I get my hands on that pollster I pay all those bucks to…”

By getalife

January 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

My goodmess, yesterday all the polls and pundits spewed Clinton would lose by double digits.

Then, much to my dismay or a heads up, my favorite cartoonist drew her firing Bill and crossed over to the dark side to draw McInsane on fixed noise. Then he drew the fox model. Yum.

Like I said, let us not predict a leader until super duper Tuesday. It was great watching tweety and the rest of the so called pundits and analyists eat their words. KO had fun with it and this race is very exciting and interesting.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Do you mean that you don’t think will see a repeat of the Willie Horton ads? The McCain has an illegitimate black child meme? Swiftboaters? Polling place change notices? Destroying voter registration forms? Caging? Florida Leadership Council Flyers? Democrats want to ban the bible letters? Dems supposedly using convicted felons for voter canvassing? Hacking into DNC computers? Fake security alerts? Photoshopped images? He’s a muslim e-mails? Fake robo calls?

I sure hope you are right, but I doubt it.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

By tiff 10:12 AM

{{{first of all the ladies name is Condoleeza not Condi. At least show her some respect.}}} Will President Bush be getting the same consideration from all you libs here? Including ML. After all, it’s not W or Bushie, his proper title is President Bush.

You actually think R’s don’t think, they just go to the polls and pull the R lever, but D’s think, ponder, decide who would be best for the country, then make a decision? Interesting…. What planet are you from?

{{{You see I can tell from your comment that you don’t like or have any respect for Condoleeza or Colin. You only know that they think like you. So you deal with them. And when you deal with a black person just because you hate another group of people, your still a racist.}}}

Can you also tell what I think of you? You’ve got to be kidding me you actually think you can tie what I wrote above to that pile of crap. You’ll full of yourself, tiff, and I don’t really appreciate being called a racist when you have no evidence to support it other than that twisted logic rant of yak dung. Woot made that same claim 2 days ago and I’m still waiting for him to provide evidence. Can you tell what I think of you now?

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Apocalype,

Candidates use antics like that all the time. Lawyers do the same thing in trials. I’d be willing to wager that every presidential candidate going back to George Washington has used some kind of tactic like that - on both sides.

If it worked, then it worked, and it was successful for her.

Do you think Dubya doesn’t cry sometimes? I certainly would if I were him.

tiff,

I agree with you about it’s okay to express emotion, but you know as well as I do, a woman crying in public is considered weak and emotional, not one to be trusted with the “button” so to speak.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Hillary rose from that disaster over the weekend because an old, old woman threw her a big fat softball over the center of the plate. That old hag was a (till now) unspotted plant. A liver-spotted plant. You see, during the debates, Edwards used the phrase, “it’s personal”, and rallied alot of support and he looked convincing and he rocked. Well Hillary’s focus groups noticed that and got this obvious plant to use the words, “it’s personal” in the question, so that Hillary could use it without appearing to steal it from Edwards.

Notice how Hillary was waiting on that pitch? Her voice became very feminine, soft, reflective and emotional, and it played all the way to Peoria. The media couldn’t replay her response enough times. She got more stage time than anyone. Nobody suspected a thing.

But thanx to me, now that old hag is an outed plant!

And hillary is exposed as a politician…..d’oh!

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Yeah, that’s real original mikey.

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Maybe now black people should realize that the deck is stacked against them in the democrat party and that they will forever be a distant second to the party machine.

“Change,” ha.

Name one thing the democrats have done for you- fought against civil rights, created the perpetual poverty of welfare, dumped your children into overcrowded third rate inner city schools that are not there to educate but are instead pension factories for the Teacher’s Unions.

And now when one of yours steps forward to lead the party, look at all the anger from the white powers that be, calling your legitimate success, your hard earned climb to the top, a “fairy tale.”

They are dismissive of you.

Maybe they will “apologize” to you or offer reparations, you reckon?

So claim your token prize, pack away all of your hopes and all of your dreams, and take your seat on the back of the democrat party bus.

Where they think you belong.

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The polls-

Were taken on Monday among the residents of New Hampshire.

10 point lead Obama.

Tuesday, the people from neighboring Taxachussetts, who were not a part of any poll in New Hampshire, boarded their buses and headed towards the nearest poll.

Bus fare paid by the Klintoon Kampaign.

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How many of the anti Klintoon votes will were hardcore and will eventually come back as Republican in the general election?

And how can we sweeten that pot?

Republican Vice President Obama?

By Shawny

January 9, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G, of course, you will get the mudslinging crap from BOTH sides. It is politics as usual, and it sucks. But from high level positioning, say if McCain wins the nod, he will point to the fact that he has time and time again reached across the aisle and sponsored bipartisan legislation. Controversial, yes, but you can’t argue the bipartisanship of it. McCain-Feingold. McCain-Kennedy. Gang of 14 to end the nuclear option, etc.

Now, if it is a gov or mayor, then they will point to their executive leadership, and the dem candidate’s lack of.

Can’t stop the crap, though, unfortunately.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Thanks! I now have four of the little guys too now - two kittens, two older cats. The older cats look at the other two as they are running through the house, jumping from ottoman to chair, running down the hall, jumping four feet in the air, and thinking, “Oh how immature.”

G’morning to you too Paul,

I have to disagree with you about us moving on with the emotion issue. New Hampshire voters are not the norm here in this country. It’s an easy way for people to criticize her.

I didn’t see her interview, but her speech was pretty good last night, a lot better than the one she gave in Iowa. She must have gotten a new speech writer.

By tiff

January 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Bosch, You seem to me to be a pretty smart, straight forward kind of guy. But when you say you could vote for Colin Powell based on his character, you scare me. Do you know how many criminals, con-artists and crooks seemed to have good character. That’s how they dupe people. Murderers have also been known to have positive character traits, thats how they lure their victims. Not to imply anything bad about Colin. You also said you don’t know where he stand on domestic issues. How can you “HONESTLY” give someone your vote based on what you think they would do concerning war in another country, but not know where he stands regarding the country you live in. Anyway like I said you seem to be a very bright and straight forward person. Grow a heart and I can work with you. HAVE A NICE DAY.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Unless you can prove otherwise, I believe the preponderance of slime has, was and will always come from the GOP.

By Just Curious

January 9, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

When is the Georgia primary?

I guess y’all know the Florida primary will only be recognized by the GOP. The Dems will not be recognized by the DNC. Something about the date of the primary.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

{{Name one thing the democrats have done for you- fought against civil rights,}}

DUHHH— are you now claiming that LBJ was really a Repug back in ‘65 when he signed the Voting Rights Act??? I guess you must’ve gone to some “overcrowded third rate inner city schools that are not there to educate” to learn that kinda history!

BWAAAAAAAAAA!

By Shawny

January 9, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Sorry, Mrs. G, but “the truths we cling to depend on our point of view” - Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode 5)

The GOP does not have a monopoly on slime.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

tiff,

First of all, I don’t believe Colin Powell to be a murderous demon. I’ve actually met and knew a murderous demon, that’s not something I throw around lightly.

You misunderstood, I wouldn’t give my vote based on someone’s character. I wrote earlier that I would consider Powell for president because I belief him to be a credible guy and if he says he believes this or that, I would trust what he says.

Now, I’ve never heard him address domestic policies, so I don’t know if I could support him or not based on his positions of particular policies.

I don’t throw away my vote, trust me.

He seems, at least to me, like an honest person, which is something you don’t see everyday in politics.

Au contraire. I have a big heart, a bleeding heart liberal you could say, except for murderous demons, whom I believe should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Ms. G,

{{{He’s a muslim e-mails?}}}

I do believe that email has already been sent, hasn’t it? Wasn’t it a couple of Clinton staffers who did such a pathetic thing?

You could get run over in a two way street if you only look one way Ms. G.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Ms. G,

{{{He’s a muslim e-mails?}}}

I do believe that email has already been sent, hasn’t it? Wasn’t it a couple of Clinton staffers who did such a pathetic thing?

You could get run over in a two way street if you only look one way Ms. G.

By Paul

January 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Good point about the regionalism issue. Rhetorical question: in a general campaign, who’d take the most heat for a Hillary-style emotional reaction? A female candidate? Or a male candidate?

A point of observation on “Colin Powell getting duped by W on Iraq intel” - my read is the administration had the same general, recycled intel from America’s intel agencies (most notably CIA) - and although some dubious parts were emphasized, the overall assessments were pretty consistent from year to year. CIA was flat wrong (italics, boldface) in much of their assessments.

As I’ve asked in the past, can you imagine the reaction if, upon taking office, the Bush Administration had announced “we’ve had eight years of reports of Saddam employing, developing, destroying, reconstituting chemical and nerve agents. We’ve heard of his timetable for developing nukes. Personally, I think these reports, provided by our intelligencies, vetted by State, supported by the House and Senate Intelligence committees…

are flat wrong. Saddam poses no threat. I don’t think he has anything to hand off to al Qaeda. The likelihood of an attack on Americans, here or abroad, involving chemicals or nerve agents is less than zero. Therefore, I’m ending sanctions, cancelling the no-fly zone and will just leave Iraq alone.”

I think Dems would have been calling for his head.

tiff 11:04

Good issue raised about domestic issues. Ex Sen Boren (D-OK) this past week hosted a bipartisan, process-oriented group at Oklahoma U to discuss the lack of addressing the real domestic issues facing this country. Also attended by Sam Nunn ad a host of Rep and Dem luminaries. Hopefully it’ll spur some real discussion on such issues.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Shawny

Did Obi Wan know anything about American political history?

“As a young boy, I didn’t know a Republican from a Democrat, only in one way: If some man or bunch of men rode up to the ranch to sit or stay all night, and my Father set me to watching ‘em all the time they was there — what they did and what they carried off — I learned they were Republicans.” Will Rogers, Real Person

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Did Hillary violate the Writer’s Guild Strike with that well-written performance about “it’s personal”? (I feel a song coming on….)

That’s why the LADY is a plant.

She gets too ornery for questions from flakes. She only eats pizza, at Five Hundred a Plate. She doesn’t bother with her mate’s playmates.

That’s why that old lady, THAT’S WHY that old LADY, oh that’s why that old lady…was a plant.

(Sung to the tune of Frank Sinatra’s “The Lady is a Tramp”. )

By Paul

January 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Colin Powell restores old Volvos. Restored a classic P1800 (a poster on this site has one, BTW) - the 1800- Roger Moore, The Saint?

Reason enough to vote for the man, IMHO.

By tiff

January 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

RW from Gwinnett The reason I told you to show Condoleeza some respect is because you claim to like her. I and some dems don’t show W any respect, because frankly some of us don’t like him. Respect should be genuine, not fake. And if you would vote for her should’nt you like and respect her. And as for what you think of me. The last time I cashed both my paychecks your name was on neither one. So you can take from that what you want. And if you think i’m full of myself. Maybe so, but at least I can honestly say there is not a person in this world I have any hate in my heart for. Not even republicans.

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie January 9, 2008 11:14 AM DUHHH— are you now claiming that LBJ was really a Repug back in ‘65 when he signed the Voting Rights Act???}}}}

Heh:

{{{{In his January 10, 1957, State of the Union Address, Eisenhower renewed his request for civil rights legislation, which had passed the House but died in the Senate in the previous Congress due to Southern Democratic delaying tactics… .}}}}

{{{{Everyone knew that the critical fight on the civil rights bill would be in the Senate… . In that body, the key figure was Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson, who represented the [former] Confederate state of Texas and had been installed in his position by Southern Democrats precisely in order to block civil rights legislation. Until the 1950s, Johnson’s record of opposition to all civil rights legislation was spotless. But he was ambitious and wanted to be president… .}}}}

{{{{After dragging his feet on the civil rights bill throughout much of 1957, Johnson finally came to the conclusion that the tide had turned in favor of civil rights and he needed to be on the right side of the issue if he hoped to become president… .}}}}

A lib is a cold and calculating mofo, aren’t they?

Nothing humors me more to listen to the Code Pinkos blame Rush Limbaugh for THEIR problems.

Was it Rush who called the legitimate and serious Obama campaign a “fairy tale” or was it Bill Klintoon?

I’m sorry, but I didn’t hear Rush crying in public because a black man is close to becoming president.

Excuse me, but was it Rush who called Barak a drug dealer?

And it isn’t Rush sending voters out in droves to vote against the black man, it is democrats that are doing that.

Keep the blinders on Goldie, the democrats will keep bringing you a fat bale of hay to chew on.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

She gets too ornery for questions from flakes. She just eats pizza, at five hundred a plate. She wont bother with her mate’s playmates.

That’s why the Lady was a plant.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

She gets too ornery for questions from flakes. She just eats pizza, at five hundred a plate. She wont bother with her mate’s playmates.

That’s why the Lady was a plant.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Love the crazed lunatic expression on W’s face in the tune, Mr. Luckovich. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Why, Bush looks like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Heckle.

If the Hill can save our country then she will go down as our greatest president who was also a first lady who was also a favorite son who was grandfathered into office. (all without using steroids!)

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Some people would say that I missed the most important evidence against Lyndon Johnson’s “legacy” as a civil rights hero, so as not to dissapoint them:

{{{{“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”}}}}

That ain’t right wing propaganda, that isn’t a Hannity sound bite, no, that is your own words, democrats, the voice of your hero, president Johnson.

Chew on that.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Love the crazed lunatic expression on W’s face, Mr. Luckovich. He positively looks like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Heckle.

If Hillary can save our country then she will go down as our greatest president who was also a first lady who was grandfathered in as a favorite son. (all without steroids, I might add!)

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Oh, only if he HAD said that. But you are also assuming that he’d cancelled the sanctions too. Bushie boy wanted to go to war…..bottom line.

I keep holding out for Sam Nunn to run. Is it just a silly pipe dream of mine?

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

I think we’ve finally got the bugaboo on Cheney over those five million shredded emails and evidence tampering.

By George, I think we’ve got him!

By Say It Ain't So

January 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Tiff (10:12) Is that why the left has kicked Zell and Lieberman out of your party?

They voted their ‘minds’ and not the party line so they got the boot.

By Paul

January 9, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Bosch

This is a “what if” exercise. Yes, the Iraq campaign would have been avoided.

But my point was if, by the end of his first month of office he had done that, what would have been the reaction?

Even better, if he had given that speech a week after 9-11?

I’d guess Dems and Reps would both have called for impeachment.

Yeah, it’s a pipe dream. Diane Rehm had Sen Boren on yesterday. The show’s in the archives. I’ll provide you a link if you’re interested.

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

And think about this the next time you are mimicking democrat party talking points by calling Republicans “racists:”

Who did the Bush Administration trust with arguably the third most powerful position in government?

Twice.

Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell were and are not on a short leash, they travel alone, they meet dignitaries alone, they conduct foreign policy affairs with heads of state on their own terms.

Now compare that to all of the awful things that you have heard about Condi in the democrat media.

Not one bit of praise for this distinguished woman.

Maybe the democrats feel like she is out of her proper place and getting a bit “uppity?”

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I see your point. But Saddam wasn’t a threat and had nothing to turn over to al-Qaeda. Just have to have the last word. I’m cursed like that :-).

Yes, I’d like to have that link if you have it. Thanks.

Going out for a bit……beautiful day for a run. I really can’t handle more news today.

By Paul

January 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Enjoy your run. I’ll have it when you return.

Hindsight is great. Uncertainty in the present is not.

But even the threat of a handoff would not, I think, provide sole cause for war.

None of these situations are black and white. To the frustration of many bloggers.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, RB from Gwinnett the muslim e-mail has already been done. (BTW the entire list has already been done) And no, it did not originate from a Clinton staffer. A Clinton staffer got it and forwarded it.

The 3 or 4 copies I have been e-mailed came from some of my GA GOP reneck buddies.

You are right about looking one way on a two way street. It’s also true if you look both ways on a two way street. I looked both ways, but the Impala driver was drunk and speeding. I spent a year of my childhood unable to walk without assistance.

Not a real good political metaphor.

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Cheney broke two separate federal laws when he shredded those emails. Can U say Felony? Behind Bars!

By George I think we’ve got him!

How does it feel, Dick? How do you like what Scooter got? We’re gonna get you, and W, and his little dog too.

Hitler!

By UWSDWF

January 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

When confronted with the claims of some of his more controversial supporters President Reagan used to say, “They endorsed me; I didn’t endorse them.”

In the case of Barry Obama and Dorothy Tillman, he has endorsed her and her unseemly reparations crusade for slavery.

Only Obama doesn’t want his national audience to know it. I seriously doubt that many of the tens of thousands of people who have succumbed to Obama’s pleas for “hope” realize he “hopes” to force them to pay tax dollars to provide some form of compensation to people who weren’t alive from people who weren’t alive, all for the evils of slavery. They have no idea who Dorothy Tillman is, or what she stands for, or the damage she continues to do to taxpayers in Chicago. All in the name of slavery.

And yet ignorant suckers keep on giving, not knowing who Obama is and what he wants to accomplish if he should end up in the Oval office.

Psst. Ready to pay reparations for slavery? Obama’s your man.

He just doesn’t want you to know. Yet.

He’s too busy working to reelect Dorothy Tillman in two weeks.

Media Sources

“The Chicago Tribune”

“The Hill”

“The Chicago Sun-Times”

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

good day my fellow bloggers! Ms. g…i’ve been asking myself the same question about the race vs. sex thing…unfortunately my vote doesn’t count here n fl….its a toughie but i’ll have to agree that it would be much easier for them to throw stones at hillary…she just may have enough moxy and political savy to beat them at thier own dirty little games tho. and yes rb from gwinett, you are a biggot…and we dont have to go back too far in the archives to prove it…fyi, im flashing you a lesbian moon right now my question is this…why isnt edwards getting play? is he just too pretty or what?…i love his wife…elizabeth is my kinda woman!

By ATTENTION MANAGEMENT

January 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

ATTENTION MANAGMENT

ATTENTION MANAGEMEN

UWSDWF at 12:44 is inappropriately and illegally posted.

Direct text is copied from another source without the correct attribution to Contrarian Commentary.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Hi there raisedanidiot!

Glad to see you back.

I think the MSM flat out doesn’t want Edwards to be competitive.

Why would Viacom, GE, TimeWarner, Newscorp etc want a populist, anti-corporate crusader for President?

The realize that for them it would be a real bad thing.

By ATTENTION MANAGEMENT

January 9, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Nevermind.

Operator error.

By getalife

January 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

After Mike crossed over to the dark side, they reported this story which was dead wrong

Stop listening to these idiots with an agenda.

The unity message helps the gop.

Help the Dems get a larger majority because the gop will not compromise.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla 12:38 PM

So, based on your silly logic, if I simply repeat that Obama is a racist white hating muslim who intends to take over the country for Allah, that’s ok since I didn’t write it to start with? I can forward it, but just not be the first to write it? Hmmmm. That sure opens a lot of possibilities.

More twisted liberal logic there for you gang….

By Luckoduh 11:43 AM I do believe you’ve hit that one out of the park, my friend. Brilliant!!! Nothing like facts to confuse the simple minded.

By tiff 11:30 So, If I like or respect someone, I should refer to them by their given name even though their friends use a nickname (Condi), but if I don’t like them, I can call them anything I want and that’s ok because I don’t like them? Do I have that logic right? And don’t worry about getting any paychecks from me. I don’t see that will be a problem. Ever. We interview candidates before we pay them….

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla 12:38 PM

So, based on your silly logic, if I simply repeat that Obama is a racist white hating muslim who intends to take over the country for Allah, that’s ok since I didn’t write it to start with? I can forward it, but just not be the first to write it? Hmmmm. That sure opens a lot of possibilities.

More twisted liberal logic there for you gang….

By Luckoduh 11:43 AM I do believe you’ve hit that one out of the park, my friend. Brilliant!!! Nothing like facts to confuse the simple minded.

By tiff 11:30 So, If I like or respect someone, I should refer to them by their given name even though their friends use a nickname (Condi), but if I don’t like them, I can call them anything I want and that’s ok because I don’t like them? Do I have that logic right? And don’t worry about getting any paychecks from me. I don’t see that will be a problem. Ever. We interview candidates before we pay them….

By tiff

January 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh, It took me about a millisecond to chew on that crap. I am proud of the fact that I make no one my hero. In fact my mother used to say that very thing “Be careful who you make your heros”. But Johnson is gone so why bring up a bunch of stuff that matters no more. I tell you why, to try and keep peoples mind on “bull” that is of no importance with what is going on today. We should all be focused on taking this country forward and not backwards. The fact that the two top democratic contenders are a woman and an african-american shows me that this is the party that really believes in the american dream, and giving everyone a chance no matter their color, gender, or religion. As for Zell and Lieberman, when you decide to mislead people, by saying one thing and doing another then those people in turn have the right to give you the boot.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

“So, based on your silly logic, if I simply repeat that Obama is a racist white hating muslim who intends to take over the country for Allah, that’s ok since I didn’t write it to start with? “

No RB.

Based on your convoluted non-logic a statement turns into an absolution.

More fairy tales from a New Republican.

Can I get you some pixie dust? Maybe you can turn your arms into wings and fly!

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

‘ms. g…point taken…all the more reason to get my vote, but the bigger question is who can beat the scum-sucking, lyeing,cheating, evil war-mongering repuke party in the general…i’m tempted to vote for our girl hillary just cause she knows what time it is… i’m just feeling all giddy lately cause its about fckn time for either a black or woman pres.!….its gonna happen rb…we’re here…get used to it…:)

By Email Alert

January 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Barack Hussein Obama

By Email Alert

January 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Willard Mitt Romney

By Email Alert

January 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

RudolphWilliam Louis Guilian

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Ms. G, you obviously aren’t bright enough to get the point, so let me spell it out for you. If I could write this for you in crayon, I would. Comments like the Clinton staffers didn’t write the emails, they just forwarded them is liberal leftists way of blaming someone else for what they did. How does it make any difference whatsoever who wrote the emails vs. who forwarded them? Why do you even make a distinction between who wrote vs who forwarded? What purpose did that have in your comment other than to attempt to shift blame.

You’re mom raisedanidiot, why does it matter to you what race or gender the President is? Shouldn’t we be color blind and select the best person for the job? Why even bring their race or gender into the discussion? Yes it will happen someday, but I sure hope it’s because they’re well qualified individuals and not because of their race or gender.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Can I have some pixie dust too?

Hello raisedanidiot!

By @@

January 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Now that the guard rail is down ml, Obama is gonna have to get more specific on these “Changes” he goes on and…..on and….on and….

about.

The Bush reign is over. That’s a guarantee. The Republican candidates are not Bush but then there’s that lingering Bush hatred that liberals don’t know what to do with. They’re only left to “dream”.

I agree with RB and Luckoduh. The democrats are racists—they’re just more subversive in how they go about it.

By Mel

January 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Repug clowns: As the Middle East enjoys laughing at Bush and America, take time to tell us: Why did we arm Hussein to fight Iran? Why did we arm Osama bin Laden to fight the Russians?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

NO RB.

You are not bright enough to make a point.

You made something out of a statement that wsasn’t there. You lied, twisted, fabricated - whatever - to make a cheap political slam. No point to that at all.

Just more fairy tales from a New Republican.

The offer for pixie dust still stands.

(I suspect you still have the big crayons you need! Just don’t eat them or the paste sonny)

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Oxymoron of the day: Bush Middle East Policy

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

January 9, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

I’ve been away for awhile but I wanted to drop by and comment on the fact that polling said that 51% of New Hampshire Republicans were either dissatisfied or angry with Bush.

Why do they hate America?

Where are we in this country when half of the Republicans have Bush Derangement Syndrome?

I’m starting to think that Ron Paul has a good idea when he says we need to bring the troops home IF we then turn them on the liberals. By my calculations we are going to have to kill off nearly 1/3 to 1/2 of the American people to retain our “governing majority.” And besides isn’t a Clinton or Obama presidency more dangerous than Bin Laden? My reading of my fellow Nutters’ blog posts tells me that the domestic threat of Anti-American liberals being a majority in our democracy is the most dangerous threat we face. Let’s kill them all before its too late.

If what you’ve heard so far from my fellow wingers isn’t enough just think about the last liberal president we had:

Stock market tripled Peace and prosperity Balanced budget

I mean it just makes me cringe to think that we could be that stupid to go back to not killing people and paying the bills.

Wake up America and kill a liberal for Christ!!!!

RWNJIFG

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You are welcome to it.

But I think old RB needs it more.

Who do you think President Bush will endorse?

I see the GOP candidates not straying to far from the status quo, but do you think they are afraid of an endorsement?

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Like Homer “George W. Bush” Simpson says: It’s easy to be president…just point your army and shoot.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla 1:55 PM

That’s cute G. Now answer the question. What pupose did you have for telling us all the Clinton staffers didn’t write the emails, they just forarded them? If it wasn’t to deflect the blame to those who wrote them, what was it?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Great to see you RWNJIFG

I like you better than JIF.

By tiff

January 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

UWSDWF, If Obama is for slave reparations, why would you be the only one to know about it. You said he doesn’t want the national audience to know it. You are crazy if you think a candidate could keep the nation from knowing he was on a reparations-crusade. I have listened to almost ever thing this man has had to say, on tv and radio and have never heard him say any thing of the sort. This is just right-wing racist propaganda to scare people into thinking when this man gets into office white people better look out. This man, like Martin Luther King Jr was, is for all people not just blacks and certainly not just for muslims. Give us a day and time in which he has said in any speech or article that he would give blacks any reparations. Although I haven’t made up my mind who to vote for. It won’t be based on fear and ignorance, it will be based on who is better for the job. After having W and Cheney for the last 8 years, I would vote for Ronald McDonald if he ran.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla 1:55 PM

That’s cute G. Now answer the question. What pupose did you have for telling us all the Clinton staffers didn’t write the emails, they just forarded them? If it wasn’t to deflect the blame to those who wrote them, what was it?

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

the real quest. rb, is why does it not matter to you? dont you democracy-spreading, capitolistic-lovin,nationalistic patriots such as yourself not go for equal representation? dont bother…i know the answer…not just no, but hell no! you’d sht in your pants if we had a gay pres….which by the way coming…one day…be afwaid..be vewy afwaid! hey to you too bosch…good to read ya…have a happy holiday?

By Paul

January 9, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Mrs G

While going through the poll numbers to validate the claim to Hillary this morning that the Fox poll was closest to the actual results than other polls (apparently correct) I came across an item stating John Edwards had appeared on Fox 30 times as a guest before party activists began their “don’t appear on Fox” campaign.

“Why would Viacom, GE, TimeWarner, Newscorp etc want a populist, anti-corporate crusader for President?”

Looks like he still has a venue for coverage if he wants it -

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

RB the reason I stated that the Clinton staffer had forwarded NOT written the email is because that is the truth.

I like the truth don’t you?

Now RB, answer my question, why did you interpret “And no, it did not originate from a Clinton staffer. A Clinton staffer got it and forwarded it.” as Mrs. G deflects blame?

If it was not because you have dreams of some day being a big political hack, could it be you do not truly understand the difference?

You have been eating the big crayons haven’t you? Oh, please not the red ones from China!

By getalife

January 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

I do not see Obama’s unity message as progressive or helping his party. There is too much unity in the Dem party helping the gop.

Dems should not help the gop who tow the party line with no compromise.

We should not help the gop, we should gain a larger Dem majority with a Dem President.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

RB,

Question, when someone disagrees with you, why do you always pull out the “you’re too stupid to get it” card?

Another question: how do you figure that democrats are more rascist than republicans?

Mrs. G,

Who will Bush support? That’s interesting. I really haven’t thought about it to be honest. Whose the biggest war mongering, corporation loving candidate?

Ok, I guess we have to make sacrifices. No pixie dust for me today. I’m trying to cut back anyway - new year’s resolution.

Raisedanidiot,

I did have a great holiday, thanks for asking. It’s hard getting back in the groove of things. I’m glad to see you are posting today - I love your fiesty little lesbian jabs!

By Paul

January 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Mel 1:52

While I don’t include myself in your salutation (others may disagree) the answers to your questions are rather simple. We armed the muhajideen to help defeat the Soviet Empire. Afghanistan was a costly drain on their economy. The Soviet Union imploded. Afghanistan was a contributing factor.

We armed Iraq in their 8-year war with Iran because a dominant Iran with a defeated Iraq was not in US national interests. Think not? Reconsider every time you touch your thermostat or get in your car. It was also in US interests to have both countries sapped by the conflict.

It’s called geopolitics. It ain’t pretty but it’s reality.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Great info thanks.

Now what about the others?

By Paul

January 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Mrs G

LOL! Your question provides the answer! What two things do most issues usually get back to ? Money and power! Now bring in someone who really threatens that and you have…

just what you now see!

By Paul

January 9, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G

I believe there’s a second part to the answer. My impression is (no matter how abysmal the track record) media devotes resources to the candidates they deem most likely to be nominated. Edwards’ poll numbers, in their view, don’t indicate a strong likelihood.

But as NH demonstrates, the experts can be wildly wrong in their collective wisdom while the American voters go on their way -

By Paul

January 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G

I believe there’s a second part to the answer. My impression is (no matter how abysmal the track record) media devotes resources to the candidates they deem most likely to be nominated. Edwards’ poll numbers, in their view, don’t indicate a strong likelihood.

But as NH demonstrates, the experts can be wildly wrong in their collective wisdom while the American voters go on their way -

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

ms. g…rb doesnt want the pixie dust because it comes from fairies…he’s afwaid… aawww, bosch thanks…its good to be missed…i’ve had a lot going on lately..have i missed anything good?

By John in Tampa, FLA

January 9, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

All I gotta say is Bill better hope Hillary gets elected. If not, she will be coming home to him 24/7. yikes and gadzooks, what a thought.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, Right-wing Nut Job — once again, you’re killin’ me!

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

on a side note..what the hell is the evil karl rove up to these days? aybody know? Paul? you’re better than wiki…what up with the rovemeister?

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I missed RWNJIFG too.

Here’s a good quote for the day:

“I mean it just makes me cringe to think that we could be that stupid to go back to not killing people and paying the bills.”

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I missed RWNJIFG too.

Here’s a good quote for the day:

“I mean it just makes me cringe to think that we could be that stupid to go back to not killing people and paying the bills.”

By Paul

January 9, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot

Doing what most people in his position do: strike for the big bucks while he’s still an item of interest. He signed a book deal for a mil and a half last month. He’s also signed on to do some columns for Newsweek. Ought to be interesting - Newsweek also signed on Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos fame. I’m hoping they have a point counterpoint format and not just independent columns.

He’s also been spotted keeping company with Jessica Simpson after her split with Dallas quarterback Tony Romo. “The fans thought I was a jinx” said Jessica. “Karl’s not superstitious, he’s so cerebral.” Said Karl “Don’t you just love how she uses these big words? I’ve had a thing for blonds ever since I flamed for Plame.”

Now you know, raisedanidiot -

By rushncap

January 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Interesting note: in NH 55% of the voters who turned out, turned out for the Democratic primary. This is in a state where registered Republicans hold a 54% to 46% edge over registered Democrats. Guess we know which party’s voters are more energized…

And yes, I know it’s a semi-open primary, but this is still good news for those of us who think that maybe sanity in the White House will be a good idea after 8 years.

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

paul…LOL…thanks…knew i could count on you buddy…i guess some guys go to jail, others create their own

By Paul

January 9, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot

You’re most welcome.

Karma. It’s a beautiful thing.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 2:53 and 2:54 — yes, the Nut Job can really hit that Nut-Job-nail squarely on its head at times… I have to laugh to keep from cryin’, if ya know whaddamean?

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot,

You’re welcome. Did you sell the stuffed gator over the holidays? Did you decorate him with tinsel and have ornaments hanging from his fangs? If you haven’t sold him yet, I think you should just keep him. Think of all the fun things you could do with him in the store.

All conservatives: read Paul’s 3:04. See, you can be conservative AND have a sense of humor!

By Victim of Crime

January 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Help!!! The GOP has stolen my country.

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Let’s review:

{{{{By Bosch January 9, 2008 2:53 PM Goldie, I missed RWNJIFG too.}}}}

{{{{By Goldie January 9, 2008 2:42 PM Welcome back, Right-wing Nut Job — once again, you’re killin’ me!}}}}

{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory January 9, 2008 2:00 PM Wake up America and kill a liberal for Christ!!!!}}}}

{{{{By tiff January 9, 2008 1:15 PM We should all be focused on taking this country forward and not backwards.}}}}

Sick, isn’t it?

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Holy sh!t! I’ve caught RB’s double posting virus! Help me. Now I can never make fun of him for that again!

:-) yes, I knowwhadchamean!

By Let's Review

January 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

{{{Luckoduh}}}

Sick, isn’t it.

By Paul

January 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Here’s your link from the Diane Rehm show. It’s available on both Real Player and Windows Media Player. I hope they have an impact on the national debate.

Link: Bipartisan view of issues

Seasoned Democratic, Republican, and independent politicians including New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg gathered in Oklahoma Monday in a search for political common ground.

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

bosch…my gator stands regally by the door offering my bus. cards to passersby…i’m not trying too hard to sell him. wish i could post a pic for you…he’s really quite handsome…he’d have a better chance with simpson than rove would…AND he doesn’t bite

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

The thing with RWNJIFG is that we know he/she is satire.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Bosch, It irritates me when libs won’t answer questions. Change the subject, call people names, but no answer. I didn’t make the claim about D’s being more racist. I think the claim was they were just AS racist, but more subversive about it. Personally, I don’t think true racism is split by party lines. I do, however, think the D’s attempt to paint the R’s as racist in order to keep minorities on their side even though they really aren’t doing anything for them. I also think the claim is dishonest.

G, We all know the messages were forwarded. We read the news too. So what! The discussion was started by your accusation that R’s would do that to Obama, right? Unless a Romney, Huckabee, McCain, etc. staffer WROTE the emails the Clinton staffers forwarded, that FACT is irrelevant to the discussion. The FACT is that emails went out from Clinton staffer’s computers making Obama out to be a muslim extremist. Who gives a crap who wrote them? Not relevant to the discussion at hand. Your shuck and jive dodge the questions spin the answers garbage doesn’t fly here. We’re not the MSM, G, we will ask you follow up questions.

By Goldie

January 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Bosch — this blog apparently has gremlins and trolls, which causes crazy things to occur here… slow posting, double posting, and all the American-hatin’ garbage that keeps getting posted here for some reason.

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch, It irritates me when libs won’t answer questions. Change the subject, call people names, but no answer. I didn’t make the claim about D’s being more racist. I think the claim was they were just AS racist, but more subversive about it. Personally, I don’t think true racism is split by party lines. I do, however, think the D’s attempt to paint the R’s as racist in order to keep minorities on their side even though they really aren’t doing anything for them. I also think the claim is dishonest.

G, We all know the messages were forwarded. We read the news too. So what! The discussion was started by your accusation that R’s would do that to Obama, right? Unless a Romney, Huckabee, McCain, etc. staffer WROTE the emails the Clinton staffers forwarded, that FACT is irrelevant to the discussion. The FACT is that emails went out from Clinton staffer’s computers making Obama out to be a muslim extremist. Who gives a crap who wrote them? Not relevant to the discussion at hand. Your shuck and jive dodge the questions spin the answers garbage doesn’t fly here. We’re not the MSM, G, we will ask you follow up questions.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

RB,

I think people do answer your questions, you just don’t agree with what they have to say.

Calling people names is a bi-partisan way on this blog. Please do not pretend that libs are the only ones who do this. You are guilty of this on almost a daily basis or at least the days I’m here.

Just because you are irritated with the liberal’s answers does not give you the right to call people stupid or to assume they are not answering your question(s) - because they are. People are not stupid because they disagree with you, they are just simply disagreeing with you. Your assumption they are just plain stupid makes you quite boring to try and debate or even try and converse with.

Some answers can be in shades of grey and not in black and white. Dialogue is like that.

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

rb…you sure know how to beat a dead horse, dude…are you just attention starved or what?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

I answered your question fair and square. Be a man.

You did not answer my question though did you? See 2:14

Also, I use your full and proper ID name, please use mine. Be a gentleman.

Is the reason you don’t “give a crap” about who wrote them because you agree that smearing and lies are good political tools?

Now you are two questions behind.

Get that crayon out. No nibbling! (The red die causes neurological disorders y’know)

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 3:35 PM | Link to this {{{Holy sh!t! I’ve caught RB’s double posting virus! Help me. Now I can never make fun of him for that again! }}}

I’m sure you’ll think of something else!! :-)

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 3:35 PM | Link to this {{{Holy sh!t! I’ve caught RB’s double posting virus! Help me. Now I can never make fun of him for that again! }}}

I’m sure you’ll think of something else!! :-)

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

RB From Gwinnett

I must make a correction to my reponse to you at 4:10.

There were 2 questions for you in my 2:14.

You are actually 3 questions behind.

By AJC CENSOR

January 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

STARTING TOMMORROW, ALL COMMENTS OVER 50,000 WORDS WILL NOT BE POSTED.

This should elimate alot of the B/S on this blog.

Thank you

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

G, This was your question? {{{Now RB, answer my question, why did you interpret “And no, it did not originate from a Clinton staffer. A Clinton staffer got it and forwarded it.” as Mrs. G deflects blame?}}}

Answer - See 4:00 (and 3:57)Arrgghhh

I can’t think of any reason you felt compelled to point out the Clinton staffers didn’t WRITE the emails, just FORWARDED them, other than to shift blame from the Clinton staffers to the writers.

{{{Is the reason you don’t “give a crap” about who wrote them because you agree that smearing and lies are good political tools?}}} No. I’m as sick of the silly political games as anyone. The only relevant fact in that case is damning emails went from Clinton staff computers to the world at large. Where they orginated is irrelevant. Clinton staffers, like the rest of us, have the ability to “delete” vs. “FWD”.

This garbage of dragging up what Obama said to his K teacher is turning everyone off from politics and is keeping good people from running for office for fear their irrelevant life history will be dragged through the public spotlight. Calling Bush a drunk is no better than the K teacher thing either. The man never denied he had an alcohol problem and he’s taken care of it. But nearly every day someone on this site feels the need to bring it up. Why?

By Paul

January 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Dear AJC Censor

No ‘comment’ can be over 50,000 words. As it approaches that length it may be an essay, an exposition, possibly a treatise, or most assuredly a discourse, but a comment? No.

As you will have nothing to do, your position has been declared redundant. Might I suggest seeking employment at the White House? Several vacancies exist.

You’re welcome.

By Bosch

January 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Or a manifesto.

By Paul

January 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Ah, manifestly so.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

I hate to steal a page from your book, but I don’t see what part of your two posts are meant to be an answer. However I will trust that you did.

Good answer to my other question. Direct, to the point, but I think wrong.

I believe that people got turned off politics much earlier than the kindergarten flap. Maybe a little thing called Watergate? Perhaps TeaPot Dome? The Burr-Hamilton dust up?

RB from Gwinnett, I hope you have a good evening. I also hope you wake up a progressive. I bet I only get half what I hope.

By raisedanidiot

January 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

rb…you’re boring everybody to tears, man…i gotta go get ready to close anyway…live to type another day my friends…i’ve got freakn jury duty tomorrow…geez! be back when i can

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

January 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

I’d like to agree with my conservative friend that liberals are certainly as racist as the conservatives we just have a different ideas about what to do with those people.

And what’s this deal with Obama’s middle name “Hussein”. I mean that is just scary. You can’t have elected officials going around with names that are similar to our enemies. I mean we didn’t have any Joe’s holding office during Joseph Stalin’s reign in the USSR. Joe McCarthy wouldn’t have had it. I mean Joseph McCarthy being the anti-Communist that he was would have recognized the obvious logic in being sceptical about the allegiences of those people named Joseph, right.

I’m so glad that we wingers are here to use our amazing powers of logic and intellect to protect these great United States from harm from people with funny names.

We need leaders with good attractive names. For example, Sen. Larry Craig and I just love Dick Armey, don’t you? it just has a ceratin ring to it you know?

RWNJIFG

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{By nut job jag off January 9, 2008 5:09 PM And what’s this deal with Obama’s middle name “Hussein”.}}}}

{{{{The Klintoon’s kampaign on Sunday forwarded a hoax e-mail saying Barack Obama is a Muslim possibly intent on destroying the United States.}}}}

Sick, isn’t it?

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I just love how liberals are trying to change their label to “progressives”. Doesn’t that just sound nice. “We’re progressive!!” The problem is you’re no more “progressive” than you were last year or the year before that unless you consider moving faster toward socialism progress. Why don’t you just call yourselves socialists and get it over with? I mean, a rose by any other name….

By RB from Gwinnett

January 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

I just love how liberals are trying to change their label to “progressives”. Doesn’t that just sound nice. “We’re progressive!!” The problem is you’re no more “progressive” than you were last year or the year before that unless you consider moving faster toward socialism progress. Why don’t you just call yourselves socialists and get it over with? I mean, a rose by any other name….

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

January 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

I always knew she was one of us. That’s why she voted for the war and why she knows that Obama is a muslim intent on destroying America. She votes like Bush and smears like Bush. Good for her.

I wonder if Huckabee is going to use the ‘black child’ smear against McCain again in South Carolina. I hope so, its the only Christian Right thing to do.

RWNJIFG

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Do you find it interesting that the polls were pretty accurate in Iowa on both sides and the New Hamster polls were pretty close on the Republican side.

There’s a body of thought that says the really shows the closeted racial bigotry in the Democrat Party.

Let’s explore, shall we? When the pollsters asked the Democrat voters in Iowa and New Hampshire they said they would vote for Obama. (See how enlightened they are? Yippee!)

Now in Iowa they go to caucus with their neighbors and every voter knows how all the others voted. In Iowa they stayed with their answer to pollsters that they would vote for the black man.

However in New Hampshire they a secret ballot so after telling the pollster how enlightened they are they slip into the secret polling booth and vote for the white woman.

I’m not sure I buy that completely since pollsters generally suck and New Hampshire has some very bizarre voting laws that let anybody that promises to move there in the future vote, but I’m sure it was a factor. A thirteen point swing in one day between two candidates whose policies are nearly identical is a little hard to believe when the same pollsters got the Republican side right.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

January 9, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’m glad that didn’t happen to that one black Republican we elected.

I can’t believe that while we aren’t racist and the liberals are but there aren’t hardly any black Republicans. They must be really stupid like my daddy says.

RWNJIFG

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

{{{{By nut job jag off January 9, 2008 5:41 PM I wonder if Huckabee is going to use the ‘black child’ smear against McCain again in South Carolina.}}}}

{{{{The Klintoon kampaign insinuates that Obama, a black man, should be questioned for being a drug dealer.}}}}

Sick, isn’t it?

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

{{{{By nut job jag off January 9, 2008 5:57 PM I’m glad that didn’t happen to that one black Republican we elected.}}}}

{{{{Speaking of disgusting: Have you seen Jeff Danziger’s cartoon of Condi Rice, portraying her as Prissy, from Gone with the Wind? It is here — and it is beyond foul. This is a man employed by the Christian Science Monitor, the Los Angeles Times; whose work is syndicated by the New York Times. There is a sickness in this country, ladies and gentlemen. And it doesn’t blow from the Right.}}}}

And he’s cartoon boy’s buddy, too.

Sick, isn’t it?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

RW

There is also a theory that the ballots themselves were part of the issue.

Something about scrapping a policy that rotated the candidate names as they appear on the ballot. From a Stanford Professor.

That’s a whole lot more fun. It could be black ops. Who’s the SecState of NH? Big liberal left wing conspiracy!

RW, don’t take it personal, but I think the perfect (and I mean “swoony” perfect) way for the GOP to mount a racist attack against a major Democratic Party Presidential candidate, is to acuse the Democrats of being racist. Brilliant! Bravo! Audacious!

I’ll buy the first round of Tin foil hats and bedsheets.

Next thing we’ll all be talking about the effects of HRT on nuclear first strikes!

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

His running mate is named Sancho Panza

By w00t

January 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Well, if we’re going to play the name game RB, why don’t we go ahead and call the Republican Party the fascist party. I mean a rose by any other name…

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

January 9, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

LuckoDuh,

If we’d done the right thing and elected Sen. Strom Thurmond President in 1948 we wouldn’t have such stereotypical images of black woman. If it were up to Strom they’d simply be portrayed a sex objects and America would be all the better for it.

“Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever, except when I’m out pimpin’ with my baby mama.”

Sen. Strom Thurmond, State’s Rights Party Candidate for President on race relations, June 3rd, 1948 (endorsed by GOP Senate Majority leader, Trent Lott in 2001.)

RWNJIFG

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Does the soft bigotry of low expectations ring a bell with you?

Is there anybody left in this country that knows the difference between bigotry and racism?

Although the Democrat bigotry that says blacks aren’t capable of competing on their own merit comes seriously close to the textbook definition of racism.

By getalife

January 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Lets check out duh’s candidate:

Votes Vote %

Thompson 2,808 1

Oh,oMg,ah, Bwhahahahahaha!

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

{{{{By nut job jag off January 9, 2008 6:33 PM If we’d done the right thing and elected Sen. Strom Thurmond President in 1948 we wouldn’t have such stereotypical images of black woman.}}}}

Boring-

{{{{In 1942, 24-year-old Robert Byrd, democrat senator 2008, joined the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), whose parades in Matoaka, West Virginia, he had witnessed in his childhood. He was unanimously elected Exalted Cyclops, or leader, of his local chapter.}}}}

{{{{According to Byrd’s recollection, KKK official Joel L. Baskin told him “You have a talent for leadership, Bob … The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation.” Byrd recalls that “suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities. I was only 23 or 24, and the thought of a political career had never struck me. But strike me that night, it did.” He participated in the KKK during World War II, holding the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops. He did not serve in the military during the war, working instead as a welder in a Baltimore, Maryland shipyard.}}}}

{{{{Byrd commented on the 1945 controversy about racially integrating the military. Byrd, when he was 28 years old, wrote to segregationist Senator Theodore Bilbo, of Mississippi, vowing never to serve in such a military:}}}}

{{{{Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.}}}}

{{{{He had earlier written Bilbo “I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side”.}}}}

Sick, isn’t it?

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Lets check out getalife’s candidate:

Votes . Vote %

Karl Marx 0 . 0

By getalife

January 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Now lets check out my candidates delegates:

Total Count:

Super Total

Clinton: 159 183 Obama: 53 78 Edwards: 34 52

By Glenn

January 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh @ 5:24,

You’re the veteran and I the neophyte, but I fear you fail to understand the rules. For example, when Jim Wooten quotes someone who mentions proudly that the country would overlook Obama’s middle name and focus instead on the man himself, that is outrageous codeword bigotry on Jim’s part. Got that so far? ‘Cause the important thing is that when Hillary wants to redirect our attention to the possiblility that her Senate colleague is a crypto-Muslim, as witness his middle name, that’s fair game and should be taken into account by New Hampshire primary voters. Any questions?

By Politics Aside

January 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Good one, RW! You know, RW, I want to ask you how you’re holding up in all the crossfire trolling during the primaries. Is it personal with you? How are you doing?

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

I know what some of you are thinking, judging by the way that I am hammering this weak minded mouth breather “nut job,” that I am tossing softballs to myself by posting it’s comments and then answering them.

Honestly, I am not.

This feeble POS is for real.

I know, isn’t it disgusting the abuse that this degenerate crank seems to enjoy receiving?

Sick, isn’t it?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

RW

Fabulous!

It so “Colbert-ish”.

By RW-(the original)

January 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

There’s an ample amount of truth in the observations I’ve shared here with respect to racial politics. When the black population finally gets tired of Democrats giving them just enough to stay in the flock, but not enough to excel you’re going to see what CHANGE really looks like.

By Glenn

January 9, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Tonkin Gulf! Tonkin Gulf! Tonkin Gulf!

Oh. Aren’t we at war with Iran yet?

By Luckoduh

January 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Glenn: Some things need not be explained.

The Klintoons know how stupid their voters are so they can make statements like “we denounce any talk of Obama’s drug use and dealing” with impunity.

I got it, believe me.

~~~~~

al-Gitmo: I have taken up backing all of the Republican candidates, like you have with the dems, that way, no matter what happens, I am always a winner.

Bwa.

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