Luckovich cartoon changes address!
Mike Luckovich’s cartoon has moved to a new ajc.com address. Click here to view and bookmark.
The new format features a larger version of Mike’s cartoon for the day and allow readers to vote. There are also links to recent Luckovich cartoons and special galleries.
Bloggers who want to comment on issues in the news are invited to blog at any of our four other Opinion blogs:
Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2008 > January > 07 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USAdvise and consent
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Permalink | Comments (213) | Post your comment | Categories: Editorial Cartoon
Comments
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this
The Thing tried to cry, It mustered up what little soul it has left, It threw itself into a massive internal struggle to quell the inner demon filled with hate and rage, It licked It’s stupid lips and to the horror of those watching, welled up with make believe human emotions, as much as possible for a mindless political robot.
And nothing came out of It’s eyes:
{{{{And her husband was right there, she buried her head in her husband’s shoulder, set feminism back for who knows how many years. And these are crocodile tears. There were no tears. This is purely calculated. This is Bill Clinton coaching her, “Look, don’t bite your lower lip like I do, they’ll accuse you of copying me, do some fake tears out there, show ‘em you really care.”}}}}
It can’t even cry.
How sick.
~~~~~
Novak is never wrong:
{{{{The third-place finish in Iowa by Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) had a negative impact in New Hampshire, where she had been slipping against Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) even before her loss in Iowa. It is beginning to look like a double-digit loss for Clintoon.}}}}
~~~~~
{{{{His war has given birth to a new Iraq. The shape of this new Iraq is easy to discern, and it can be said with reasonable confidence that the new order of things in Baghdad is irreversible. There is Shiite primacy, Kurdish autonomy in the north, and a cushion for the Sunni Arabs—in fact a role for that community slightly bigger than its demographic weight. It wasn’t “regional diplomacy” that gave life to this new Iraq. The neighboring Arabs had fought it all the way.}}}}
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
Sean Hannity Flees from Ron Paul Supporters
HOW ABOUT A TWOFER?
Bill O’Reilly shoves Obama’s staffer: Unhinged… The Full video!
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
When Presidents cry – is it calculating or weak? When Presidential candidates cry – Is it calculating or weak? When SECDEF cries – is it calculating or weak?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
Damn! I am sooooo sad I didn’t make this list! It’s got more status than Nixon’s old enemies list!
What a load of crap that list was. Geraldo Rivera? Gimme a break!
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this
Dear Mr. Namejacker
I bet I can tip you before noon today!
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
The Clintons have been the main focus of the Dem Party for 2 decades and it must be hard for them to realize that their era may be over now… RIP, President & Senator Clinton!
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
I too think she is toast. Good riddance, Clintons. But they keep trying to spin it…
Former President Bill Clinton said the timing of the New Hampshire primary is to blame if his wife, New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, doesn’t beat Illinois Senator Barack Obama in their quest for the Democratic presidential nomination
Are you kidding me? Don’t they play by the same rules?
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Does anyone besides me get tired of the CHANGE rhetoric in the debates? I would like a counter to be placed on all candidates (GOP’s also) to record how many times they say the word change.
as illustrated here
By Paul
January 8, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
In The News 8:08
Hannity flees from reporters? Who’da thunk Hannity and Hillary have so much in common?
Seriously - why waste time with a group whose opening statement is “you suck.” I imagine Congressman Paul was rather embarrassed by this.
Your twofer: full video? Where is the part where the cameraman was set up, the guy walked over and stood in front of the lens, the guy was asked to move and didn’t, the cameraman shifted several feet left, then the guy (who got his start selling windsurfing equipment to Sen Kerry and has been hanging on ever since - in other words, a nonprofessional operative) again walked over and stood in front of the camera.
Plenty of partisan web sites have the tone you cited. I’ve yet to find a professional journalist who condoned what the guy did. True, some say O’Reilly could have handled it better, but professional journalistic support for the guy is absent.
Frankly, if Sen Obama really calls for an end to partisanship, a new way of operating, he should fire the guy. What an embarrassment to a “new way” campaign. I could just see this guy on the White House lawn after Marine One touches down and the news crews are all set up…
Your 8:08
Think Progress leads its questioning with a piece by a news organization - ABC. But who follows, on video, but a far-right opinion person (not a newsperson - Michelle Malkin. Who appears on Fox. Then follows quotes from “respectable” news organizations. It looks like the Think Progress antipathy towards anything Fox continues to muddy up its “analysis.”
By John Q. Public
January 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
Hearing the word change is only tiresome when spewed from a Bush supporting Republican presidential candidate.
It’s not only tiresome, it’s an attempt to mislead (they NEVER change).
By Paul
January 8, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
Goldie
Dick Morris wrote a column about the emerging national trends and how Sen Clinton’s advisors missed them. Try to get past Morris’s rhetoric in the first and middle part of the column and get to the end where he makes the points.
Link: Race and gender give way to age
Shawny 8:24
If you can bear one more item on “change” - here’s someone who’s broken the code on what the Demcratic candidates mean by “change” (click on January 7 to enlarge the pic)
Link: Real Change
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
They hate Hillary because she doesn’t use a steam iron! Maybe it’s their brains that are wrinkled
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
Anatomy of a Smear
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
Only Telling Half the Story?
By Buy Danish
January 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
In the news,
Do you understand the difference between crying out of empathy for others and crying because you feel sorry for yourself?
By mountain man
January 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
It seems that Obama might just be riding the crest of a wave which just might bury the Repugs once and for all. I can’t say that I’m sorry to see them go.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
My question to you Bill Orally s*ck-ups: doesn’t Fox Noise have any producers who can arrange an appointment with Sen. Obama for an appearance on Billo’s show??? If so, what was Billo’s point in setting up his cameraman in the middle of an overcrowded campaign scene? Was he too late to arrive with the other news media and therefore could not set-up his cameraman where the other news media always are placed?
What a clown B-O always shows himself to be, week after week… he and his fake “Peabody awards”!!!
By w00t
January 8, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Dean Scream, meet the Hillary Cry.
By Reverso Chango Correcto!
January 8, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
“It looks like the Think Progress antipathy towards anything Fox continues to muddy up its “analysis.””
MEANS
My own personal antipathy towards anything Think Progress continues to muddy up my own analysis.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Where the Candidates Stand on Science
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Republican Britney?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
If a new article just published Saturday in the Times of London based upon information provided by US government whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, is correct, we have not only solid evidence of prior knowledge of 9-11 by high up US government officials, but evidence of treasonous activity by many of those same officials involving efforts to provide US nuclear secrets to America’s enemies, even including Al Qaeda.The story also casts a chilling light on the so-called “accidental” flight of six nuclear-armed cruise missiles aboard an errant B-52 that flew last Aug. 30 from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Shreveport, Louisiana.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Uh, Goldie,
He was in the place for the press. It was roped off from the regular folks. The fact the camera crew was set up around other camera crews.
Did you see the rest of the clip? Where Sen Obama walked over to O’Reilly, said “I’d like to shake your hand” and said he’d like to appear on the show after the primaries? I’d guess that was the reason to set up where they were - so they could get on film an invite to appear.
Do you not recall how some farleft sights threatened any candidates who would appear on Fox? That has since dissipated as Sen Biden, Sen Kucinich and others have appeared on O’Reilly’s show. Hillary steadfastly refuses - she pretty much refuses to take questions from the audience at many of the NH events. Sen Obama had been invited on - and his press person turned down the requests. But now it’s changed.
BTW - When Sen Kerry appeared on BOR after the last election he said it was a big mistake not to come on right before the election. The show has the largest audience in that cable time slot and Kerry said he thought reaching that many people - and getting treated the way he does on the show - could have turned the votes in some key states.
“Like” the guy or not is irrelevant. Lots of people across the political spectrum tune in to hear his interviews.
Didn’t Obama give a speech the other day decrying the kind of namecalling you just used? It’s a new day, Goldie. Remember?
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
In The News 8:58 (or Presto Change-o, or whomever)
and you were doing so well with your commentaries…
Point? Counterpoint? State a position? Regression is in -
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
CNN just reported that Hillary has hired Lorraine Bobbit as her kinder, gentler, new campaign manager. Hillary said her old manager always went off halfcocked anyway, so she may as well go all out.
By The Real Troll
January 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Funny Paul, accusing other of multiple id use.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
{{Seriously - why waste time with a group whose opening statement is “you suck.” I imagine Congressman Paul was rather embarrassed by this.}}
Paul @ 8:32 — LMAO! I think Ron Paul has a lot more to be embarrassed about than what his supporters may say:
Under the headline “Terrorist Update,” Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and wrote, “If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.” About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, “I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
ITN 9:17
Care to give an example? You know, following basic elements of style, substance, structure, consistency of argument.
Only time I recall is when I first logged on here and I’d typed “Paul” then “paul” then “pau” in succeeding posts. RW rather enjoyed it.
Actually, I never felt the name to use a cover of anonymity when making an argument. For people who are here for other purposes, though, that may not be an issue.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Lots of links available to learn about Ron Paul’s “supporters” — oh my goodness, Mr. Paul must be embarrassed!
Who supports Ron Paul’s bid for the presidency? White supremacists and men from the West Coast, apparently.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
[CHICAGO — President Bush, in a marked shift from his usual upbeat economic assessments, conceded here on Monday that the nation faces “economic challenges” due to rising oil prices, the home mortgage crisis and a weakening job market. “We cannot take growth for granted,” Mr. Bush said in a speech to a group of business leaders in which he acknowledged that “recent economic indicators have become increasingly mixed.”
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
DID BUSH JUST KICK MCCAIN IN THE TEETH?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
The Gavel has a brilliant collection of quotes about the economy from Team Bush and stacks them up against real experts in the field
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
BBC….Recession in U.S. has arrived. The feared recession in the US economy has already arrived, according to a report from Merrill Lynch.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Goldie 9:20
One thing that has amazed me during this campaign is how many people who cheer on Ron Paul - particularly those who identify themselves as liberal/progressive - do not seem all that familiar with his philosophy or past comments.
Plain spokenness or opposition to the Iraq war is one thing. But the rest…
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Funny toon about McCain, Paul. Sadly, he has waffled a bit and that will cost him. Hillary waffles based on which way the wind (poll du jour) blows. Obama’s advantage is that he hasn’t been in there long enough to get the chance to “change”.
No, John Q., same ‘ole, same ‘ole does not just apply to the Republicans. There is a good reason we haven’t elected a senator to the highest office since Kennedy.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Ahh! The joy of anonymity! None of you can respond to me because these releases are not my comments.
Why think or engage people in intellectual banter when you can just post other people’s opinions.
This is working so well that I think I’ll start wearing a mask when I go out in public. That way, no one can know its me!
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Good morning woot. You made some claims late yesterday I feel compelled to respond to. I had to attend a poetry reading at my 2nd grader’s public school (remember the one I offered to help you with your deficiency in math!!) The whole class was quite good.
You accused me of racism yesterday and of not answering your questions. I asked you to explain both accusations and your reply was:
{{{You’re just a selfish and arrogant a*shat that looks down on people for their misfortunes. “Oh, I don’t know their situation, but it must be their fault!” Your problem is that you lack any since of apathy for your fellow man. You get glee out of the misery of others…}}}
I’m calling you out AGAIN mr. superior debater (sarc). I have some more questions for you, which I doubt once again you will answer, but I’ll ask anyway for the amusement of the rest of the readers on this blog who daily watch you embarrass yourself.
Show me anywhere I’ve expressed any delight over the misfortunes of anyone.
Since I have no idea what situation you were referring to with the “situation/fault” comment, I’ll assume is was mortgage related with the housing problems going on now. So the question is, if a person signs up for a loan on a house they really can’t afford and is unable to make the payments, WHOSE FAULT IS IT? Who, other then them, do you feel is responsible for managing the finances in their home? Is that Obama’s responsibility? Should he create a “Department of Financial Responsibility” to make financial decisions for people who can’t make good decisions on their own? At what point in your socialist/communist world are people responsible for their own decisions?
BTW, the word you were looking for in your post is “empathy”, not “apathy”. Not sure if you figured that out from RW’s post. My 2nd grader probably can’t help you with that one, but my 8th grader could.
One more question for you. Will you back up your claims and answer the questions, or will you continue your pattern of changing the subject and calling people names? Put up or shut up lightweight.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Goldie
Speaking of familiarity with the issues, this just popped up on my email. It was painful. I couldn’t watch more than a minute.
Link: Americans and the world
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Thanks Again for the WIN Troll Master Namejacker Ricky Andy Boobby!
See ITN at 8:14
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Thanks Again for the WIN Troll Master Namejacker Ricky Andy Boobby!
And we’ll have fun fun fun till his mommie takes his keyboard away!
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Dear Namejacker,
You are always welcome to respond to me. You and your posse of ID’s regularly do.
It just doesn’t merit response.
Intellectual banter requires a two folks with intellect - so you don’t make the cut there either.
Mask? I think not. I am so handsome I make Mitt Romney look like Rudy Guiliani.
I know the thrill of victory. How’s that agony of defeat working for you?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Alarmed at the increasingly populist tone of the 2008 political campaign,” U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue said his organization “would spend in excess of the approximately $60 million it spent in the last presidential cycle” to defeat “anti-business” candidates. The organization will be “so strong that when it bites you in the butt, you bleed,” said Donahue.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
[Huckabee himself preaches a gospel of populism that rejects conservative orthodoxy on trade, the value of government and the beneficence of Wall Street.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
In The News 9:36
I’d hoped that wasn’t you under those mulitple monikers - didn’t seem to be your style. Glad you confirmed it.
Shawny
Did you see the Jan 7 panel about “change?”
Regarding the McCain panel - I have sympathy for some of his positions. I think McCain-Feingold, aside from its objectives, is a good example of opposing parties working together for what they see as the common good. I’ve said before - I think McCain’s experience in the 2000 primaries with the Bush money machine had quite an impact on him. As I’ve observed - I really don’t see the fundamental difference between a campaign contribution (particularly a large one) and a bribe.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Dear Namejacker:
Just because I woke up this morning with you on my mind doesn’t mean that you’ve won.
Yes, I did start off early this morning fearing you, but not anymore.
I will continue to dodge criticims from others whether you like it or not.
P.S. You’s better not start with the gay stuff now that you know I’m a man. Leave that for getalife.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Paul,
What do you mean “not my style”? You don’t think I’m intellectually capable of expressing an opinion?
I was just simply pointing out the joy of being anonymous. Living behind posts rather than intelligent dialogue.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
ITN
I meant your style is to post under ITN, whatever comments you wish to make.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Dear Namejacker
It’s so nice that we get to become pen pals!
Maybe you’d like to join me at the County Democratic Party Business meeting next week?
Since you are unable to “fight” for your side any more, since all you have left is a desire to be me - maybe you’d like to canvass for Edwards with me last week of January?
May I suggest some reading to complete your transition from cool gop blogger to ITN wanna be: Breaking the Code by Thom Hartmann or Obama’s The Audacity of Hope.
I have some extra bumper stickers that say THIS YEAR ANY DEM….I can send them to you.
I am here to help you. Be comforted.
By The Real Troll
January 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
So only 2 bloggers today?
By Paul
January 8, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
ITN
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”
You should be quite happy.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Dear Namejacker
Might I also add that I have some lifesized pictures of Edwards and Obama.
You’re welcome to join me in my usual fantasy threesome. They don’t talk back, they just sit there.
I’ll let you create the storyline, ok?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Bloomberg’s confab hits a few snags
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
How Progressives Can Win on National Security
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
As Iraqis See It
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
CNN just reported that Hillary has hired Lorena Bobbit as her new campaign manager. The new slogan will be, “Why settle for halfcocked change?”
Sales of rusty bolo knives have soared today on the news.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
ITN 10:25
I found the national security article long on a certain view of history, much rehash of where we are and how we got there, and even at the end, very, very little on what, specifically, the author says should be a progressive strategy.
He laid out a view on what, specifically, did not work. He was thin on what would.
This line cracked me up: “A conservative line of argument that centers on conventional military action ignores two key fundamental factors. First, non-state terrorist groups use asymmetrical warfare and media campaigns as a primary means to advance their agendas.”
That’s almost exactly what ex SecDef Rumsfeld said in 2000 - and why the generals, career bureaucracy and many industrialists hated him!
Oh, and please remember Administration attempt to counter jihadists’ assymetrical media campaigns. Progressives did nothing but complain about civil liberties (even in cases where actions was directed overseas) and offered nothing in its place.
People know what didn’t work. They also know what happened when they bought the “trust me, we’ll be better line” when they voted Democratic in 2006. They need to offer more compelling reasons now.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
RB, it’s simple. I’ve told you already but you refuse to listen because you always have your thumbs in your ears with your fat mouth open shouting, “I’M NOT LISTENING! I’M NOT LISTENING!”
The war, which has been a huge mistake from the beginning, is a HUGE financial burden on this country and its people. The war so far, has cost $600 billon, but that doesn’t include the yearly budget of over $700 billion in the Defense department. The current estimates have shown that the true cost of the war may be over 2.3 trillion dollars. A war Busch&Co. said would cost no more than $50 billion dollars. A war they said would pay for itself. We all know the old saying, “If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is.” What did they do to make us feel better about going along with the war? They cut taxes of course, and told us to go shopping! Well, the tax cuts created a $239 billion budget deficit. So where do we get all of that money for the war? China and other US hating countries! So, the national debt gets higher and higher. It’s over $9 trillion dollars now. That’s over $30,000 for every man, woman, and child in America. This of course weakens the dollar, which we have seen. This leads to increases in oil prices as the dollar doesn’t have the buying power like it used to. That turns in to higher cost for pretty much everything that uses oil in some fashion. People start to have less money in their pockets to buy “stuff”. The economy starts to slow, job growth slows and we start to see signs of a recession. Your own favorite president had to admit yesterday that they country may be heading in to a recession. And many other business firms have warned about it saying there is now a 50% chance that the US will head into recession.
So, I guess it is still the American people’s fault that their goods are so expensive, and that the dollar is weak? It was their fault for dishonest home equity companies causing them to lose their homes? It is our fault that our president has committed us to a war that we will never be able to pay off, or that other countries essential own us? It is the policies of the Republican Party that have almost sent this country in to financial ruin, and you want to point the finger at families. Bush&Co. have unfairly put the burden of his failed policies on the backs of working American, and you expect us to be happy about it, like this is some sort of gift.
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
ch-ch-ch-changes… (with apologies to David Bowie….
Looks like someone was counting.
Change is inevitable, if there is a lame duck president, duh.
Also, hasn’t every candidate running against either an incumbent or a party that is viewed as unfavorable harped about bringing change? no mas, por favor.
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
This is interesting.
I was wondering who was going to step out and say it first. Thought it would be Mr. Illegal (Romney).
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
A Season of Change
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Where was Lou ‘prima donna’ Dobbs during IA caucuses?
By Paul
January 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
Shawny 10:55
There has been a bit of discussion on clarifying the jurisdiction clause.
Fourteenth Amendment. Section one.
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”
While custom in the law has been all persons born here are citizens, the 14th states the people need to be subject to US jurisdiction. Argument goes, people are here not under the jurisdiction of the US (presence is outside of legal means) so citizenship of children born is open to question.
I’ll predict we’ll see a lot of misrepresentation and charges of “racism” to obscure the issue on this one.
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
The AJC cautions readers that some links may contain viruses because the cheek-lints who blog here are total lip-rinsers, and they simply dont care about your new $1500 Dell.
Always take precautions when using your mouse.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
OK, woot. Next time a simple “I have no answer to your questions” will be sufficient.
Right after you provide me with the evidence of me being a racist and expressing delight at the misfortunes of anyone, please provide all of us some evidence of the thousands of {{{dishonest home equity companies causing them to lose their homes?}}} While I’m sure there are some out there, your suggestion the mortgage companies are to blame vs the people WHO SIGNED THE CONTRACT is just plain stupid. I guess it’s also the evil Nigerians fault people keep giving them their bank account numbers in the internet scam too, isn’t it?
I’m going to keep asking you to back up your claims until you either do so or embarrass yourself into oblivion. You are a pathetic name calling mental midget who comes on here making statements you can’t support. As I said before, put up or shut up.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
OK, woot. Next time a simple “I have no answer to your questions” will be sufficient.
Right after you provide me with the evidence of me being a racist and expressing delight at the misfortunes of anyone, please provide all of us some evidence of the thousands of {{{dishonest home equity companies causing them to lose their homes?}}} While I’m sure there are some out there, your suggestion the mortgage companies are to blame vs the people WHO SIGNED THE CONTRACT is just plain stupid. I guess it’s also the evil Nigerians fault people keep giving them their bank account numbers in the internet scam too, isn’t it?
I’m going to keep asking you to back up your claims until you either do so or embarrass yourself into oblivion. You are a pathetic name calling mental midget who comes on here making statements you can’t support. As I said before, put up or shut up.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
OK, woot. Next time a simple “I have no answer to your questions” will be sufficient.
Right after you provide me with the evidence of me being a racist and expressing delight at the misfortunes of anyone, please provide all of us some evidence of the thousands of {{{dishonest home equity companies causing them to lose their homes?}}} While I’m sure there are some out there, your suggestion the mortgage companies are to blame vs the people WHO SIGNED THE CONTRACT is just plain stupid. I guess it’s also the evil Nigerians fault people keep giving them their bank account numbers in the internet scam too, isn’t it?
I’m going to keep asking you to back up your claims until you either do so or embarrass yourself into oblivion. You are a pathetic name calling mental midget who comes on here making statements you can’t support. As I said before, put up or shut up.
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Palette Cleanse.
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Palette Cleanse.
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Palette Cleanse.
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Palette Cleanse.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
OK, woot. Next time a simple “I have no answer to your questions” will be sufficient.
Right after you provide me with the evidence of me being a racist and expressing delight at the misfortunes of anyone, please provide all of us some evidence of the thousands of {{{dishonest home equity companies causing them to lose their homes?}}} While I’m sure there are some out there, your suggestion the mortgage companies are to blame vs the people WHO SIGNED THE CONTRACT is just plain stupid. I guess it’s also the evil Nigerians fault people keep giving them their bank account numbers in the internet scam too, isn’t it?
I’m going to keep asking you to back up your claims until you either do so or embarrass yourself into oblivion. You are a pathetic name calling mental midget who comes on here making statements you can’t support. As I said before, put up or shut up.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Learn how to post… and keep ignoring the facts. You’re a model Republican.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Woot, Here’s another lesson for you lightweight. The President of the United States does not have the authority to take this nation to war without the approval of congress. The congress of this nation, while looking at the evidence and the situation, made the decision to authorize this war. No one man got us into this on his own. We as a nation did this. To suggest that Bush and Cheney alone are to blame is just plain dishonest. It’s a lie, lightweight. Our government does not work that way.
But I guess you think we should just walk away now and to hell with the people of Iraq, eh? I mean, you’ve got your little slice of heaven all snug in your police protected city, right? Let them take on these terrorists with guns who would like to run the country themselves. They can always throw sand in their faces, right? Do you care about people or not, woot? You’re dual positions are confusing. Or do you only care about people who vote for democrats?
For the record, I’m not a big fan of Bush either. He’s been a disappointment in that he’s conducted himself like a democrat from a spending standpoint and his immigration actions are pathetic. I’ve said that before, but apparently you don’t comprehend what you read very well.
Have you ever considered spending less as a solution to balancing a budget? (from your housing problem answers, I’m really not so sure you get that). You do know the war is not the only thing the govt spends money on, don’t you?
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Woot, Here’s another lesson for you lightweight. The President of the United States does not have the authority to take this nation to war without the approval of congress. The congress of this nation, while looking at the evidence and the situation, made the decision to authorize this war. No one man got us into this on his own. We as a nation did this. To suggest that Bush and Cheney alone are to blame is just plain dishonest. It’s a lie, lightweight. Our government does not work that way.
But I guess you think we should just walk away now and to hell with the people of Iraq, eh? I mean, you’ve got your little slice of heaven all snug in your police protected city, right? Let them take on these terrorists with guns who would like to run the country themselves. They can always throw sand in their faces, right? Do you care about people or not, woot? You’re dual positions are confusing. Or do you only care about people who vote for democrats?
For the record, I’m not a big fan of Bush either. He’s been a disappointment in that he’s conducted himself like a democrat from a spending standpoint and his immigration actions are pathetic. I’ve said that before, but apparently you don’t comprehend what you read very well.
Have you ever considered spending less as a solution to balancing a budget? (from your housing problem answers, I’m really not so sure you get that). You do know the war is not the only thing the govt spends money on, don’t you?
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Osama Bin Laden. Barrack Hussein Obama. Is there an ancient connect? Did Osama plant Obama like the Iranians put those boxes in the water in front of onrushing US frigates?
Are we about to elect a suicide Potus?
Elect Ron Paul. He’ll kill all the bad guys and only leave the good guys. Nothing bad. All good. Remember, it could all blow up in our face if we dont watch it.
Ron Paul. Cause the whole thing could go “KABLOOUIE!”
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Osama Bin Laden. Barrack Hussein Obama. Is there an ancient connect? Did Osama plant Obama like the Iranians put those boxes in the water in front of onrushing US frigates?
Are we about to elect a suicide Potus?
Elect Ron Paul. He’ll kill all the bad guys and only leave the good guys. Nothing bad. All good. Remember, it could all blow up in our face if we dont watch it.
Ron Paul. Cause the whole thing could go “KABLOOUIE!”
By Sally Benson
January 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Osama Bin Laden. Barrack Hussein Obama. Is there an ancient connect? Did Osama plant Obama like the Iranians put those boxes in the water in front of onrushing US frigates?
Are we about to elect a suicide Potus?
Elect Ron Paul. He’ll kill all the bad guys and only leave the good guys. Nothing bad. All good. Remember, it could all blow up in our face if we dont watch it.
Ron Paul. Cause the whole thing could go “KABLOOUIE!”
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Woot, Here’s another lesson for you lightweight. The President of the United States does not have the authority to take this nation to war without the approval of congress. The congress of this nation, while looking at the evidence and the situation, made the decision to authorize this war. No one man got us into this on his own. We as a nation did this. To suggest that Bush and Cheney alone are to blame is just plain dishonest. It’s a lie, lightweight. Our government does not work that way.
But I guess you think we should just walk away now and to hell with the people of Iraq, eh? I mean, you’ve got your little slice of heaven all snug in your police protected city, right? Let them take on these terrorists with guns who would like to run the country themselves. They can always throw sand in their faces, right? Do you care about people or not, woot? You’re dual positions are confusing. Or do you only care about people who vote for democrats?
For the record, I’m not a big fan of Bush either. He’s been a disappointment in that he’s conducted himself like a democrat from a spending standpoint and his immigration actions are pathetic. I’ve said that before, but apparently you don’t comprehend what you read very well.
Have you ever considered spending less as a solution to balancing a budget? (from your housing problem answers, I’m really not so sure you get that). You do know the war is not the only thing the govt spends money on, don’t you?
By luckovichisaheadcase
January 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
This cartoon was actually good - although still poorly drawn. Bill is so ugly it only IMPROVES his looks. However, it is true that when Clinton campaigns for others, especially his wife, it tends to hurt them. This has been true throughout his career. He is great at promoting himself - so good at it, in fact, that he does it at the expense of everyone else. If he really wants to come back as co-president, then he needs to go home to Chapaqua and be with his mistress(es)!!
By getalife
January 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
LSU National champions!
By Education?
January 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Get an education.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
No, there is a difference; First, Bush used false and baseless intelligence for his push to war with Iraq. He used Powell at the UN for the push to war. Powell has later expressed regret for doing what he did at the UN. There is so much documentation out there that the evidence used to go to war were out-right lies. It was the same lies that lead the Congress to vote for authorization for war. Many have regretted ever voting for that war. Just because you change your mind doesn’t make you any less of a person.
The Second part was the blunders of the CPA in Iraq and the policies that they enacted. The biggest policy failures of the CPA was the policy of de-Baathification. This is the policy that essentially fired the military, the police, and pretty much any professional worker in Iraq. The Iraqi army was waiting there to work with Bush, but they fired him. They had no job, no money, and a family to support. What else did you expect them to do, sit around with their thumbs of their butts? So, we have no professionals like doctors, and engineers that have fled the country, and the Iraqi army that knows the locations of weapon depots.
Third, we have the disastrous “rebuilding” effort in Iraq where nothing is getting completed, or is unsafe to live or work in. These people have hardly any running water, and maybe an hour of electricity today.
Oh, and lets not forget about Blackwater and all the fun they have had.
So you tell me, should they be grateful that we are there after we have screwed so much up?
Have you ever considered reading some of President Eisenhower’s speeches? “…use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment” ring a bell?
By @@
January 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
“Butt” ml, maybe Bill could find some “plumber’s putty” in his nose to plug up Hillary’s leaks.
That nose….that nose! “Cracks” me up everytime you draw it.
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Oh good, the heathens, the same ones that spend the off election years mocking God and chasing him from the public square, are now mounting the floor on their weak knocky little knees:
{{{{Ed Koch says Clinton’s loss in Iowa “scared the hell our of many of her supporters, including me,” adding: “I’ll confess now that I will be silently praying to God that Hillary wins tomorrow and thereafter, even though I know it is foolish to think the Almighty - in whom I believe - intervenes in elections. Ridiculous, but who knows?”}}}}
Ahhh, yes, always use words like “ridiculous” to describe your “faith” in the One Who Created Heaven and Earth, I’m sure that will really impress Him.
Truthfully, this does worry me, because the Lord looks after all of his children, even the wormy ones.
But then again, a “prayer” for the Fat Pig is more of a bargain with the devil, isn’t it?
By Company Man
January 8, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Woot, you’re all thumbs today.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
{{Ahhh, yes, always use words like “ridiculous” to describe your “faith” in the One Who Created Heaven and Earth, I’m sure that will really impress Him.}}
Oh, here we go again… the earth was created in 6 days, and is only 6000 years old.
Thanks that make you say…”wow”…
By Objective Observer
January 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Love the nose but don’t draw W with big ears anymore Mike. I’ll be in here pouting if you do.
Oh and I noticed lately, more Hillary cartoons than W. Thats Great. Fantastic. Way to go. If you start on W again, I’m warning you, I’ll be in here calling you the liberal devil again. Those ears are grossly over exaggerated, are not funny and serve no purpose.
Love the nose! Lol.
Why aren’t you liberals crying about the Hillary cartoons? And the big over grown butt nose. Us conservatives get hysterical over some of these cartoons. Shawny gets very emotional. Luckovichisaheadcase, is so angry he has Mike in his user name. Luckoduh has to be first everyday, also has Mike’s name in his.
Love the nose. Ha ha.
You are truly a Pulitzer worthy cartoonist, Mike, thank you for being a part of this very liberal organization, that must be difficult. That Cindy, and uhhh that Jay, horrible.
Love the nose, hate the ears.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
“This campaign is playing out exactly as I thought it would,” Clinton told a crowd of students gathered at Dartmouth College Monday night. “All the pundits, as usual, are wrong. I always [told Hillary] ‘You’ll have a hard time winning the primaries, but if you get nominated, you’ll win the general election by a wide margin’.”
I will hold off until after super Tuesday to declare a winner.
Only 100,000 have voted so far, so I will opine when more have voted.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
getalife
Congrats! Good game, watched the first half, got up at 0430 to finish. Quick adjusts in the first half, domination after that.
Nice stadium.
By Bosch
January 8, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
I have to agree with Goldie - I’m tired of the Clintons.
I think Hillary’s crying episode yesterday will be her “nail in the coffin” or her Dean Scream.
Remember when Pat Schroeder cried? Not good. Politicians don’t cry, and if they do, they need to look for another job.
I’ll be interested to see how South Carolina turns out.
In addition, as an avid hiker myself, my condolensces go out to the family of the hiker they found dead yesterday. I hope they can someday find peace in their hearts.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Woot, {{{There is so much documentation out there that the evidence used to go to war were out-right lies.}}}
Last time I checked, lightweight, lying to congress is a federal offense and they don’t take too kindly to it. In fact, they seem to get more than a little testy when that happens. So why don’t you in all your intellect tell us who’s been convicted of lying to congress about the intel leading up to this war. I mean, if there was “so much documenation” they were lied to, surely there are some people in prison for it, right? How about you name names for us woosie?
Gosh, I can’t imagine they went after Scooter for not remembering conversations he had 3 years ago and convicted him, but let the lying sacks who lied to congress and caused us to take our nation to war off scott free. Amazing!!!
Put up or shut up, woot. You’re batting O-for the day so far and yesterday wasn’t any better.
BTW, as far as what’s going on in Iraq with rebuilding goes, you really need to look beyond movon.org. You’re not getting the whole picture there friend. Those comments you made are just plain stupid.
By Bosch
January 8, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
Oh, and I almost forgot -
Congratulations getalife! I thought of you last night - the Tigers scared me at first, but it seems that’s how Ohio State prefers to play in the National Championship, right?
Geux Tigers! Georgia finished second! Good for the Bulldogs.
The SEC is a powerhouse!
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
The scribbler is usually good with his caricatures, but those eyes he drew on Billy Jeff are just downright strange.
Paul,
I would say that the namejacker is mocking ITFS more than imitating him.
That being said, namejacking has been the source of all the troubles with this blog from day 1.
So what did the libs at the AJC do to fix the problem?
Over time they removed real time posting, limited the posting hours, took away bolding and italics even though they still make the claim you can use them, set up a delay so that you couldn’t post comments within a few minutes of each other (Polly shows them how good a job they did at that one every day), and limited the number of links within a post.
Everything except tying a nickname to an email address to eliminate the only real problem they ever had.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Paul,
LSU plays well at the Superdome and championship games.
Hell of a game and party. My head aches like after New Years.
How about that BO at the Obama rally and Ron Paul fans screaming at Hannity fox sux?
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Bosche,
Yes, it was the Florida championship game.
The analysts on ESPN picked Ohio State and are like the political analysts calling winners of this election after 100,000 votes.
I ♥ SEC football.
By Company Man
January 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
That’s right, Woot, the earth IS only 6,000 years old. WHy? Because the only thing variable in any Einstein equation is time. Do the math. Also, The earth is flat like a flat-screen TV. God is watching us, and he appreciates a good picture too. Besides, a flat earth warps space time so that it only appears round to our very limited senses. Do the meth.
Point: Did Satan rebel against God as an angel because he knew he would lose? No, sir, Satan thought he could win! We must all obtain enormous superpowers in the afterlife. We will have our shot at taking over heaven and hell. We transform at death into angel/demons like the caterpillar does into a butterfly. Do the moth.
Exploding the myth.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Public Financing of Elections Would Lead Us out of the Partisan Swamp
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Justice Is Blind, But Can She Vote?
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Paulson: Don’t want to rush economic stimulus
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Does that 12:10 mean you’ll give us your predictions after the results are in? No wonder you’re a die hard Democrat.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Oops, make that Bosch.
Sorry about that.
RW,
I remember when there were no rules on freedom of speech on this blog.
Then you had a complete meltdown and started posted dkos.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
RW,
I predict Obama and McCain to win today.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
getalife,
That’s a new one. Normally you blame Andy for the dkos spam that you libs were putting on here.
That was the reason for the limit on length of post and that’s one of the few good changes they made. Can you imagine how long Blowhard could go on with no limit?
By Dubya
January 8, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
Still stoned on his mighty delusions, Bushie will tour the Middle East and view his legacy of functioning democracy (s) in action. And will be met, as always, by leaders who view him with amusement, disdain, reality. A pathetic figure in world history. God bless Murcuh. Allah Akbar! We’re winning!
By RW (the oravaginal)
January 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Do the moth.
I love it.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
getalife,
That’s a bold prediction. /sarc
What’s the rest of the order? You realize 100,000 is at least 20% even if they have a huge turnout and you rely on polls for the entire country that only sample about 500 people.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
RW,
Why are you calling Paul a blowhard?
There have been many blowhards on this blog.
If it is over two paragraphs, I skip over it like Andy’s drivel.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
RB, I’ve owned you so may times today your eyes are green with envy, because you can’t argue on the facts. The only ability that you have is to play a pre-school game of “I know you are, but what am I”. I don’t have time to explain to you how the world actually works. Enjoy your delusions of grandeur.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
getalife
Your head - LOL! - I was going to ask about your head but thought I’d be polite and not.
You may want to read my 8:32 on the BOR confrontation. Washington Post said several reporters said the Obama hanger-on has pulled similar stunts. The clip didn’t show the interaction with the Secret Service or all the Obama interaction. Wouldn’t want you to get misled by those ideological sites some link to -
oh - the LSU coach is a standup guy. Q: What did you learn about your players? A: Nothing. I knew they were great kids.
RW-(the original)
I keep making the mistake of thinking that all posters are here for semiserious discussion.
Sooo, the AJC case illustrates a liberal solution to a simple problem, right? Oh, the parallels….
Bosch
Happy New Year!
And for you, AmVet (if he ever returns), getalife, RW - I posted this late last week, really liked the clip, here’s a great way to start the year; includes Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Ron Woods of the Rolling Stones, Paul Shaffer from Letterman, bass guitarist Duck Dunn from Booker T and the MGs and the Blues Brothers Band:
Link: Best Jam Yet
By Robert
January 8, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
The “New Iraq,” eh? Hmmm. RB, RW, Duh -their sickness is heavy here today. Go, Iraq, Go!!
By RW (the bidet)
January 8, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
And getawipe knows drivel! Compared to getaknife, RW is a rocket scientist. That’s 4 sure, THAT’S 4 dang sure.
By @@
January 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Too funny! Much a”doo” about a harmless observation:
(((Love the nose but don’t draw W with big ears anymore Mike. I’ll be in here pouting if you do.)))
Pouting…me? Has someone lost their mirror. Mike Luckovich is a big boy. Are you his Mama?
I’m fairly certain I ‘ve never made a comment about the way ml draws Bush’s ears. I remember thinking the bigger they got the more he (Bush) began to resemble dem donkeys.
Maybe ml is really a libertarian like Ron Paul. I neglected to comment on ml’s toon from yesterday. Promoting unity through the use of polar bears. I actually thought it was funny in an odd sort of way.
Does that make you happier Objective?
By getalife
January 8, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
RW,
Obama
Clinton
Edwards
And
McInsane
Willard
Gomer
Paul
Obama still has the big mo and do not see what will stop it. He is drawing in the voters two to one to the gop.
Your party is splintered with the wingnut vote going to Gomer and Independents to McInsane. Rudy and Willard get the corporate votes.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Blowhard is ShamVet.
Did those storms affect Louisiana at all? I haven’t heard you whining about FEMA and demanding new flat screens for all so I assume they passed by you.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
luckovich is on Fox News this hour scribbling along with the telecast. What do you moonbat(ic)s® have to say about him going there?
If you’re consistent than ml is persona non grata to you now.
By RW (the bidet)
January 8, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
The cartoon was very clever. Take a good look at Bill Clinton today. He’s looking as frazzled as Lucko’s portrayal. Clinton’s look doesn’t wear well at all. That’s 4 sure, THAT’S 4 dang sure.
Cartoon Idea. Show the hate-ray coming out of Hillary’s eyes, and Charlie Gibson saying, “Klatu Mirada Nickto”.
bwa
By getalife
January 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
RW,
No but it is hot down here.
Going to be a very hot summer like last year.
We had a small tornado hit the preacher house next door, blew down a big tree and his power.
I asked him if he had something to confess.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
getalife et al
I just went out for lunch, turned on Fox News for the news roundup, and there was Mike Luckovich being interviewed live! He’ll be on for the rest of the hour.
Fox News. Kerry. Biden. Kucinich. Jackson. Luckovich. Fox News. Your world is crumbling…
Take heart. It’ll be okay!
By @@
January 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Alright, I’ve looked at these wierd eyes RW mentioned. They look like boobs to me. Strange way to assemble body parts. Either the boobs are on backwards or the butt-nose is. Either way…something’s “amiss”.
Subliminal satire (SS).
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
getalife,
You live in a swamp in the deep south. Did you expect summertime temperatures in the 60s?
Does Clinton move ahead of Edwards on your chart because of that phony crying jag yesterday?
By getalife
January 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Oh no.
Mike is on fixed noise and crossed over to the dark side.
No wonder he is drawing Clinton toons.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
RW,
No, I expect wintertime temps to be 60 not 80.
Freaking global warming is causing freaky storms.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
He drew McInsane.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
The role of political reporters………………..Edwards — who, just one week ago, was 10 points behind Obama nationally among Democrats — is now only two points behind him. Less than a month ago, he trailed Clinton by 29 points. Now it’s 13 points. He is, by far, at his high point of support nationwide………………………Yet to listen to media reports, Edwards doesn’t even exist. His campaign is dead. He has no chance. They hate Edwards, hate his message, and thus rendered him invisible long ago, only now to declare him dead — after he came in second place in the first caucus of the campaign.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
Why are these Strapping Romney Lads Not Serving in Iraq?
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
getlife,
Let’s say that the earth has really warmed 20 degrees like you say. That should have the polar ice caps melted by the end of the month. Are you fools going to stay there and wait until the flood waters are up to your rooftops again before you decide to leave?
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Blaspheme!!! ml had the Silky Pony’s hair out of place!
By Midori
January 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
They are running out of ballots in New Hampshire.
What a day!!!
By Paul
January 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
ITN 1:46
This was discussed last year. Seems liberals who raise this issue think parents should compel their adult children into a certain career and lifestyle. Conservatives, however, being champions of personal choice and responsibility, believe it their duty to raise their children and when they become adults, let them live their own lives.
Cumpulsion vs. choice. The eternal liberal vs conservative dilemma.
getalife,
That Fox broadcast just said Hillary was firing some advisors (about time) and bring back Begala and Carville.
For a change agent, she sure doesn’t get it. Back to the 90s with same-old, same-old.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
By w00t 1:02 PM
{{{RB, I’ve owned you so may times today your eyes are green with envy}}} I do have green eyes. Thanks for noticing. I don’t envy stupidity, however. Sorry…
{{{because you can’t argue on the facts. }}} You mean like the facts that support your claim I’m a racist, or the facts to support your claim I laugh at people’s misfortunes, or the facts of those convicted of lying to congress with bad intel leading us to war. You mean those facts? Hmmmm.
I’ve answered every question you’ve asked and supported every claim I’ve made with facts. You’ve provided absolutely nothing but an endless rant about the cost of the war riddled with lies about Bush and co. We all know the war costs money. We don’t need you to tell us that. Are you proposing we walk away and leave the Iraqi people to fend for themselves? It sure sounds like it, so we’ll have to assume your position regarding them is “to hell with you”. You build your own power grid, plumbing, bridges, buildings, etc. You don’t count for squat in woot’s world.
The rest of your drivel is more of your “change the subject and call people names” routine. I told you “I do not have an answer to your question” is an acceptable reply. When you don’t have anything to support your silly statements, you are welcome to use it as needed. In fact, you might just have “auto fill” set up to write “I do not have a friggin clue” any time you touch your keyboard.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Poor ml looked petrified that Martha might pound him for that last drawing.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
I just heard that New Hamster is being flooded with first time registrants. Do you think anybody’s checking to see where they live?
Hillary might have found a way to pull this out after all.
By Shawny
January 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Frazzled? Yeah, Billy Boy is frazzled.
Somebody call the waaahmbulance. he he he
By getalife
January 8, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
I saw that Paul.
Mike is flirting with the the fox model.
Damn, they are wearing shorts in NH.
By bon scott
January 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
RB, if the parties signing a wing-ding mortgage deal are responsible for its terms, DON’T YOU THINK THE BANK (also signing the deal) SHARES RESPONSIBILITY?? They’re escaping their sworn responsibilities to customers, shareholders, and the rest of us (also known as “us”) in stampedes, packaging loans in dubious securities sold on markets and walking away with pockets hanging from the weight of shady commissions and fees.
Atlanta has a past replete with banks joining in “are you kidding me?” real estate ventures. Read historian Fredrick Allen’s “Atlanta Rising” book. You CAN read! Right? Now, maybe you can find a library or bookstore, or have your 8th grader help you?
RW, as we have for years, we agree on how this blog malfunctions. Tie email addresses with nicknames and watch namejacking disappear.
getalife, my heart’s in NO right now…
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Paul, Sorry but I don’t buy any of that.
First your generalization about liberals and conservatives is just so much “snarkasm.”
No one is suggesting they be compelled into a career choice.
What we ponder is - why in a “Pro Iraq war” household, in fact in so very many “Pro Iraq war households, the level of support does not reach personal sacrifice.
All of the truly genuine, decent human beings I have ever had the pleasure to meet have taken action in their lives that support their core beliefs.
Fie on couch potato patriots!
By w00t
January 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Shed a few more of those tear, little man.
I’ve given you valid answers to your questions and you scream the repugnican rhetoric back at me. That doesn’t make you the “verbal winner”. It makes you a Hannity/O’Reilly cohort and soldier of the 1st class. BRAVO for you.
I’m sure they’re VERY proud of you.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
bonnie,
We’ve agreed on that even when finch and seeker were talking to each other before they merged into bon scott.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Time to go get some tires on the GT. I’ll see y’all at Queen Pinko’s place later! Let’s hope she’s moved on from trying to play program director for Rush and Boortz.
By the way, once Clinton bows out how long before she resigns that Senate seat?
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Memo to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton: We think you’re aces. Really. And we love your husband. But we’re running off with Sen. Barack Obama. Hope you understand. It’s all about being part of history. We’ll do lunch after the inauguration.
Cartoon idea ml???
Hint-Rats jumping off a sinking ship or something like that
Later!
By Albert
January 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Why did you change back the online voting page for the cartoons? A few days ago, with the red and blue “Yes” and “No” buttons, it was working fine. Now that you’ve changed it back, it’s not working again, and the poll results don’t show up.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
NH turnout “absolutely huge,” supplies of Democratic ballots are “running low”
By Bosch
January 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
Happy New Year to you too Paul!
Thanks for the link - cool.
“Conservatives, however, being champions of personal choice and responsibility”
Good thing I didn’t have a mouthful of Coke while reading that one. :-)
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
By w00t 2:13 PM
{{{I’ve given you valid answers to your questions}}}
Where?
I’ve asked 3 questions.
Evidence of racism.
Evidence of laughing at people’s misfortune.
Anyone convicted of lying to congress about Iraq intel. (I’d even settle for anyone accused of it)
Show me where you’ve answered any of these questions.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
By w00t 2:13 PM
{{{I’ve given you valid answers to your questions}}}
Where?
I’ve asked 3 questions.
Evidence of racism.
Evidence of laughing at people’s misfortune.
Anyone convicted of lying to congress about Iraq intel. (I’d even settle for anyone accused of it)
Show me where you’ve answered any of these questions.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
By w00t 2:13 PM
{{{I’ve given you valid answers to your questions}}}
Where?
I’ve asked 3 questions.
Evidence of racism.
Evidence of laughing at people’s misfortune.
Anyone convicted of lying to congress about Iraq intel. (I’d even settle for anyone accused of it)
Show me where you’ve answered any of these questions.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
I like Luckovich’s old “Yes-No” voting options back at the top of his blog — sure makes my ‘puter much faster while posting here… now lookout!
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
By w00t 2:13 PM
{{{I’ve given you valid answers to your questions}}}
Where?
I’ve asked 3 questions.
Evidence of racism.
Evidence of laughing at people’s misfortune.
Anyone convicted of lying to congress about Iraq intel. (I’d even settle for anyone accused of it)
Show me where you’ve answered any of these questions.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
now if we can just get this blog to quit posting everything in triplicate, it’ll certainly be a more enjoyable reading experience…
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
From an earlier post today, here’s a thought for you all…
When was the last time you blew something up and all the pieces from the explosion turned out nearly perfectly round?
Big bang. Planets….
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
From an earlier post today, here’s a thought for you all…
When was the last time you blew something up and all the pieces from the explosion turned out nearly perfectly round?
Big bang. Planets….
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
From an earlier post today, here’s a thought for you all…
When was the last time you blew something up and all the pieces from the explosion turned out nearly perfectly round?
Big bang. Planets….
By getalife
January 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
I think the end of the Bush Clinton era is a good thing not bad. Change is not another Clinton.
For those with CDS, you still have Muslims and illegals to hate on to keep you happy.
The next great party and celebration will be the end of the w disaster.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
In The News 2:10
Snarkism? Don’t any ublerlibs have even a teeny sense of humor? Or if you’re calling to end generalizations…
As I’ve said before, the “why aren’t their family serving” is a glib, soundbite, silly argument:
If one supports medical assistance to poor countries or the African continent, do we check to see how many family members are in Doctors Without Borders?
If one supports lifeskills assistance to impoverished countries, do we check to see how many family members are in Peace Corps?
If one supports education in poor sections, do we see how many family members are teachers in disadvantaged schools?
Do we check to see how many family members of Sens Biden or Sen Hillary are in the military? They want to invade Sudan. Pakistan too, I believe. Or is it only if there’s a foreign policy issue with which we disagree?
Take it a bit further. If Romney did have family members serving, and they were Navy, you’d still complain. Because they have zip risk of harm. Pretty much same with AF. Remember, if you’re going to discuss casualties, it’s a //volunteer// force. People decide if they want to serve or not, and if so, which branch. Then they decide which specialty, knowing full well the risks they face. They’re adults. Don’t condescend to treating soldiers like schoolchildren.
Bosch 2:43
Glad to see your sense of humor’s intact on the new year. Do me a favor, though, will you? If you see my name on a post, take a mouthful of Coke. Don’t swallow until you’ve finished reading.
Thanks!
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
Somebody needs a little science education.
[The Obvious Question: why are planets round?………..Firstly, they aren’t! If you look at most planets, they have mountains - pointy bits that rise from the ‘surface’ - and valleys and trenches, which are carved into the landscape. The surface of planets undulate, have mountains and valleys and craters where bits have been broken off by meteorite impacts……………………. But, yes, I suppose they are roundish.](http://www.abc.net.au/northcoast/stories/s2085703.htm]
Read the whole thing, I made sure it was rather simple.
By Diogenes
January 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Excellent
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
The Obvious Question: why are planets round?………..Firstly, they aren’t! If you look at most planets, they have mountains - pointy bits that rise from the ‘surface’ - and valleys and trenches, which are carved into the landscape. The surface of planets undulate, have mountains and valleys and craters where bits have been broken off by meteorite impacts……………………. But, yes, I suppose they are roundish.
Don’t ya’ just hate it when you’re being snarky and karma kicks in and you can’t post your own snark correctly!
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Say, wasn’t it getalife who thought that Ron Paul was the best wingnut candidate out there, almost a lib as I remember him saying?
{{{{A damning New Republic expose on Ron Paul shows the “libertarian” Republican candidate to be a racist, a homophobe and an anti-Semite. Will his diehard supporters continue to defend a man who called Martin Luther King a gay pedophile?}}}}
{{{{As Kirchick reports—whether describing post-apartheid South Africa as a “destruction of civilization,” alleging that Martin Luther King “seduced underage girls and boys,” warning of “tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of expertise,” or urging white readers to arm themselves after “the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,”—virtually every historic trope of racism, anti-Semitism, anti-gay bigotry, or conspiracy theorizing has been featured in the “Ron Paul Political Report” in one way or another. For his part, Paul has alternately acknowledged writing some of the material that went out under his name, only to deny authorship when confronted with the most disturbing details. In any case, Paul has taken “moral responsibility” for the contents of the “Ron Paul Political Report.” What follows is a quick digest of some of his greatest, which is to say most disgraceful, hits.}}}}
So al-Gitmo, what was it that you found most appealing about Paul?
Do tell.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Yes, ITN, they have mountains and other surface imperfections, but I think most people would consider a golf ball and a basketball to be round as well even though they also have a less than perfect surface. The question remains valid, however. You can’t tell me something randomly blew up and created a bunch of generally round fragments by chance. Surely at least one of them would have turned out rather odd shaped. Somehow, in our solar system, that doesn’t seem to have happened.
I suppose 1 or 2 of the particles might have turned out rather round, 3 on an outside chance, but 9 plus the moons??? Come on….
By w00t
January 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
RB, you truly have no clue what you are talking about… I am just in awe of your level of intelligence.
The big bang did not form the planets. It only created the material, essentially hydrogen, and a very small portion of helium, that made it possible for the formation of starts that led to the eventual development of the planets. It was gravity that led formation of the planets.
But, hey, lets just through out our understanding of the four fundamental forces, math, logic, and reasoning.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
Paul,
You don’t think “snarkasm” is a humorous term? I’m pretty proud of it.
Like you like the term “uber”. I think that one’s pretty damn funny.
“If one supports medical assistance to poor countries or the African continent”
they can send money, food or clothing make phone calls.
“If one supports lifeskills assistance to impoverished countries”
they can do the above, or send new or used texbooks, reading glasses etc.
When we invade Sudan, we’ll just have to see! Who says Chelsea won’t go? Biden’s kid is a JAG officer.
You either live your principles or you give lip service.
Again I say, fie on couch potato patriots.
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Hey w00sie, what Created the big bang?
By getalife
January 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
duh,
His foreign policy of no more Iraqi welfare or another wasted life, no income tax to shrink government and supporting the Constitution.
He is still gop and I will never vote gop. Too much hate and greed in your party. The me generation.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Hopefully, Obama will legalize gay marriage so that getalife and I can accomplih our dream.
Gays in the military should be legal as well.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
ITN,
Don’t give away our secret.
That’s between you and me.
Paul can join in if he wants to though.
By Goldie
January 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
In The News @ 4:11 — dontcha just love it when warmongers equate “Doctors Without Borders” with Dubya choosing to invade and occupy an oil-rich country in the Middle East?
It’s such a fine argument they make that it can even be “taken a bit further”— say, like what might happen if no one at all signed up for Dubya’s lousy occupation scheme back in the fall of ‘02… would all those patriotic Republicans in the White House then ask their families to make sacrifices for Dubya’s cause and enlist — maybe THEN???
By getalife
January 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Plus duh, the gop can’t govern and always come back to missing tapes.
I find it insane to put our country thru another gop, law breaking, corporate w-hore President.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Hey Goldie,
Do you think trollmaster ricky boobby andy will still post first on November 3rd?
Draft Beer for College Republicans. We know they can’t fight!
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
By w00t 4:09 PM
If they all started out as gasses, helium and hydrogen as you state, from the same source, why is the composition of the planets different? Wouldn’t they all be composed of the same matter if they came from the same source? Do all the planets contain the same elements since they must all have been formed by some miraculous gravitational force appearing in space and collecting matter from the same exploding thing?
It appears “logic” was thown out when you came up with this theory.
Note to rational bloggers… I think we’re about see a “change of subject and name calling”. Just watch…
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife January 8, 2008 4:17 PM duh, His foreign policy of no more Iraqi welfare or another wasted life, no income tax to shrink government and supporting the Constitution.}}}}
al-Gitmo: So no matter how much of a whacked out bigot someone is, as long as they want to surrender to al Qaeda, they are your man, eh?
That helps explain why you and such a small minority of libs still support the Klintoons.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
ITN 4:11
I’d thought “snarky” was a somewhat derogatory term. If it’s not, or if it’s able to have multiple meanings, then I’ve learned something new today.
Always read “uber” with a smile. Kind of a ping thing.
Sending material goods is not the same as personally being on site and doing the work. I just think it’s a phony argument designed more to cast aspersions on political advocates than meant as an honest policy position.
I think it’s great Sen Biden’s son decided to serve. And his Guard unit went to Iraq. Army, even. But JAGs are usually rear echelon types… If he was really, really serving he’d be an infantry officer (insert snark and uber here).
Wait, Biden’s opposed. So…. shouldn’t he prevent his kid from serving? :-)
Chelsea as an infantry officer? ITN, that’s the best laugh yet!
I just find the personalizing of foreign policy muddies the discussion. Nor do I think it’s a proper validation of the correctness of an argument.
That was the second time you said “fie.” Shouldn’t the first have been “fee?”
getalife
Good point about the dynasties. We’ve had enough for one lifetime. I’m still leaning towards a lottery.
ITN 4:18
The imitation’s returned. You must really be on cloud nine!
RB from Gwinnet
You may find this discussion on the subprime housing situation enlightening. It’s a one-hour recording.
Link: US Housing Market
U.S. Housing Market Existing home sales fell 8% last month and many analysts say there’s more pain ahead for the housing sector in particular and the economy in general. We’ll talk about ongoing fall-out from the sub-prime mortgage meltdown and possible interventions being considered on Capital Hill.
Guests Kathleen Day, Center for Responsible Lending
Damian Paletta, Dow Jones Newswires
Brian Gardner, public policy analyst with Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc., a brokerage firm and investment bank specializing in the financial sector.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
“A Surge of More Lies by Congressman Robert Wexler
A new troubling myth has taken hold in Washington and it is critical that the record is set straight. According to the mainstream media, Republicans, and unfortunately even some Democrats, the President’s surge in Iraq has been a resounding success. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
This assertion is disingenuous, factually incorrect, and negatively impacts America’s national security. The Surge had a clear and defined objective – to create stability and security - enabling the Iraqi government to enact lasting political solutions and foster genuine reconciliation and cooperation between Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds.
This has not happened.”
Watched Paul on Leno last night telling the truth about the South lost to Al Sadr and w is betting on Malarki who is allied with Iran.
He said we are going to invade Pakistan because the Dems want to go after the ones who bombed us.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
Goldie 4:29
Parallel argument construction. Not “equate.” Take out the Iraq war. Just look at the argument “if one supports action x, one should ensure either one or one’s family is a direct, active participant.” Big picture.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Paul
here’s our biggest disagreement
“I just find the personalizing of foreign policy muddies the discussion”“
I think the personalization of foriegn policy makes it HUMAN.
It’s a change thing.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
No duh,
He is not my man but he brings some sanity to the debate.
On Leno last night, he said that since the British have withdrawn in the South, there is no violence.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
getalife 4:43
“we are going to invade Pakistan because the Dems want to go after the ones who bombed us.”
Dems can’t invade Pakistan. Obama doesn’t have kids old enough to enlist and Chelsea won’t go. Hey, does the “send your kids” theme apply to Congressmen and Senators, too?
ITN 4:47
I rarely speak in absolutes. By “personalizing” I don’t mean not counting the human cost and impact. I mean making foreign policy on the basis of “how will it affect my family.” FDR was a good example of this. He knew America’s involvement in WWII (sidebar - it it’d been today, and he’d been a Rep, Dems would have had a field day with his pre-Dec 7 actions) could get his sons killed. But he made his decision based upon what he saw as best for the country.
Before someone goes off on the “but his kids served” tangent - WWII required national mobilization, a draft, etc. Different circumstances. Today we have an all-volunteer force, a concept I support.
The world changed.
By w00t
January 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
RB, I guess you’ve never heard of nucleosynthesis, and supernova nucleosynthesis then. The heavey elements found in the planets are formed in the cores of massive stars and in the supernova of stars. Stars that are massive enough, once burned they have through their hydrogen fuel, can burn elements and fuse them up to as heavy as Iron and Nickel. Once this stage is met, the star dies in either a supernova or throughs off its layers in a planetary nebula. Once the “ash” from the star has been cast in to space it is then used in the formation of new stars and our solar system.
Look it up, the info is out there.
By IN THE NEWS
January 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Yes, and the world is changing again.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Paul, You’re wasting your time with them on the Iraq participation thing. For the months I’ve been looking at this site, they’ve maintained a position that you can’t support the war unless you personally serve there or send your kids there. It’s a stupid arguement in that it treats all of the soldiers who are there by their own choosing as moronic pawns who were forced into service against their will. The fact our military is voluntary, they knew what they signed up for, and they’re re-upping at better than expected rates doesn’t factor into their silly little argument because it doesn’t support their position of surrender at all costs. They view our soldiers as victims. Somehow, I don’t think our soldiers really appreciate their “support”.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Willards boys won’t serve but McInsane’s kid is serving.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Paul, You’re wasting your time with them on the Iraq participation thing. For the months I’ve been looking at this site, they’ve maintained a position that you can’t support the war unless you personally serve there or send your kids there. It’s a stupid arguement in that it treats all of the soldiers who are there by their own choosing as moronic pawns who were forced into service against their will. The fact our military is voluntary, they knew what they signed up for, and they’re re-upping at better than expected rates doesn’t factor into their silly little argument because it doesn’t support their position of surrender at all costs. They view our soldiers as victims. Somehow, I don’t think our soldiers really appreciate their “support”.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
ITN
Yes, and the West was slow to recognize it. And for some, to even accept it. In spite of the stated aims of the jihadists.
Note: in the above paragraph I said nothing about Iraq. They (jihadists/Iraq) are not synonymous.
Change. The only constant in life.
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
I like the word “snarkasm,” good one ITFS.
Your spam would be a lot more worth reading if you added a little snarkasm that pointed to what you found interesting in the articles you link.
Of course that would mean you’d actually have to read them. <—snarkasm
By N-GA
January 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Paul,
IMO the discussion should never be about how the Iraqi people are better off without Hussein. The real discussion should focus on what triggered the US to attack Iraq.
At the time the US was swept up in a wave of uber-nationalism as a result of 9/11, so a majority seemed to respond positively when our government rattled its saber in the direction of Iraq. After all, we appeared to have OBL on the run after a quick overthrow of the mighty Taliban.
But the excuse for invading Iraq (WMD’s) was trumped up. And Iraq was no threat to the USA. Israel had a vested interest in seeing Iraq suffer ignominious defeat (or any other neighbor, for that matter). But perhaps we’ll never know the real reason(s).
When no WMD’s were found, the excuse became “bringing Democracy to the Middle East”. That rings hollow since US allies Jordan, Egypt, and arguably, Israel are not true democracies.
So this “right to wage pre-emptive war” is valid even if the initial premise is wrong? Who is held accountable? No one if you carry the biggest stick (read: if you are the biggest bully). And this constitutes our foreign policy? While we have become the world’s biggest debtor nation?
At least we can say we were there when the sh!t hit the fan and American influence became a memory.
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
{{{{If Klintoon loses in New Hampshire tonight, predicted longtime political operative turned Hollywood producer Brian Quintana, Hollywood “will defect to Barack in droves.”}}}}
{{{{“It is not a question of loyalty; Barack is simply too close to making history for Hollywood not to be part of it,” Quintana said. “For most of us, The Thing was our first choice, but It has come up short. Barack has become a movement.”}}}}
Bwa.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
By w00t 5:02 PM
Maybe try posting a link to the site you tried to copy next time? That was some tough reading trying to figure out what you were attempting to say as you paraphrased concepts you don’t understand. Go back and read it and you’ll see what I mean.
I did get the idea of the concept, however, but it doesn’t explain how all the planets could pull matter from the same debris field with gravitational forces and end up with different composition. Maybe you can paraphrase a slightly more comprehedable answer to that?
By N-GA
January 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
DJ Industrials down 1400 points since peaking above 14,000.
Gold @$878/oz
Unemployment hits 5% (and that only counts people still looking for work)
Gasoline average above $3 per gallon
Milk @ $4 per gallon
Housing market in a shambles
bushel wheat & corn prices have doubled
Gee….everything is ROSY!!!!
By getalife
January 8, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
Take w’s ignorant statement to Iran to stop confronting our Navy today.
Lets say China invaded Mexico and Canada, then their Navy was a couple of miles from our coast.
Would you want our Navy to confront the invaders?
Of course you would. Just more ignorant, arrogant cowboy diplomacy and this idiot is going to the ME to promote peace while occupying two countries.
Wow.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
RB
Rather the same as so many referring to serving professionals as “kids.” They may think it bolsters the argument. I find it rather demeaning.
getalife
Business family. Military family. No small wonder.
But isn’t it great the dads were happy to support the kids no matter what they wanted to do with their lives?
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
By N-GA 5:38 PM
Sucks to be a liberal doesn’t it? You have to get up every day and find misery in everything you see. Seems like that would get old after a while to me, but hey, that’s just me. If you want to be miserable, good luck with it!! Your choice.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Happy New Year, N-GA!
Wish I could tell you of the wines at Christmas, should have saved the labels. Much French (good Bordeaux is like crack) and a few Italians tossed in. My brother also brought along some Jamon Iberico ham (the acorn-fed Spanish ham). Wonderful time. I trust yours was well.
Try looking at the Iraq thing independent of administrations. We’d been dealing with Hussein for years. We’d been told of nuke planning, WMD stockpiles, etc etc for years. Then they were gone. Then the capability remained. Then they turned up again. It went on and on.
Simultaneously we endured probes by OBL and treated it as a criminal matter. Again, this had been going on for years. Then came 9-11.
Do I think people like Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, were looking for an excuse to take out Hussein? Sure. But absent this, risk assessments of “what are the capabilities, they’ll do anything, civilians in the USA are targets, who will supply them, how many more thousands could die” were alarming. Just the idea of “who hates us, who has used chem weapons, who could hand them off” made Hussein a target to consider.
The democracy thing: we knew jihadist intentions. Some say engaging them in Iraq played into their hands. A case can be made. But their intention was to overthrow corrupt mideast regimes preparatory to their caliphate dreams. Then engage the West. Several countries had been dealing - harshly - with jihadists for years. Others - Saudi Arabia - bought them off to keep them engaged out of country. I think even some of these regimes were shaken by al Qaeda’s organization, resources and infrastructure. Which made them feel even more threatened.
Had there been any good transition to democracy models there? Nope. So add onto Iraq the idea of a (we thought) secular society, no intertribal conflict, an educated society, a despised dictator - what better place to raise a new government and provide a safety valve model for the other countries in their “preserve the monarchy/government or go Islamist” situation? Or so we thought.
So I think there were a lot of intertwining factors occurring. And a lot of terribly, ignorantly, arrogantly wrong assumptions. And a number of tremendous failures by our Administration. And intelligence agencies. And the military. And State.
Next Pres is going to have a real job on his hands.
By RB from Gwinnett
January 8, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
By N-GA 5:38 PM
Sucks to be a liberal doesn’t it? You have to get up every day and find misery in everything you see. Seems like that would get old after a while to me, but hey, that’s just me. If you want to be miserable, good luck with it!! Your choice.
By N-GA
January 8, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
And to you as well, Paul.
hope you were able to enjoy a wonderful Sherry with your jamon. Sherry opens up a whole new world in wine (and they run the gamut from sweet to very dry). Spaniards generally drink Sherry or beer with their tapas.
R.E. Iraq, I really do try to separate the Iraq debacle from the administration. Unfortunately, it happened on this administration’s “watch”, so to speak. It is easy to say when one is blogging anonymously that one was against invading Iraq…but I was. It was the wrong thing to do at the time. And I am certain that most of those responsible for making the decision to actually invade are smarter than I, and had more information at their disposal.
But then when was the last time any elected official acknowledged a policy mistake? They are quick to admit their sins. In fact they often wear their sins like medals (If you haven’t been caught doing…yada, yada…).
Instead people continue to die and the outcome is certain to be to the disadvantage of the US.
Yes, our next President will have his/her hands full, to say the least.
And RB….it really doesn’t suck to be a liberal. Blessed are the poor…blessed are the meek…don’t look for any compassion in people who tell you they are compassionate!
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
I don’t understand Mike’s cartoon. I had it on the highest authority today that everyone who’s worked for Hillary loves her and is undyingly loyal to her!
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife January 8, 2008 5:41 PM Lets say China invaded Mexico and Canada, then their Navy was a couple of miles from our coast. Would you want our Navy to confront the invaders?}}}}
al-Gitmo: If Mexico were taking Chinese embassy workers hostage, threatening to develop a nuclear weapon so that they could launch them at China and were flying airplanes into Chinese skyscrapers, I believe your little scenario, if played out in the real world, would be the U.S. invading Mexico.
And while we are out of the fever swamps, I find it hard to believe that the Chinese would set sail with enough ships and troops on board to invade Mexico, and that they wouldn’t all be sunk to the ocean floor just a few miles off their own coast.
Navy pilots dream about things like that.
And what would “president” Klintoon have done with the Iranians, surrendered to them?
Would you libs have marveled at It’s “restraint” and laud it for being the perfect little pacifist?
Personally, I hope they try it again, you can believe our Navy’s standing orders have been, uh, modified.
I wonder if sharks like terrorist meat?
By w00t
January 8, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
Sorry, I was in a hurry and the sentence should have read as: “Stars that are massive enough, once they have burned through their hydrogen fuel, can burn heavier elements and fuse them up to as heavy as Iron and Nickel.”
This means that the star starts off “burning” (nuclear fusion) hydrogen which is fused to helium which is burned and fused to carbon. Next it goes to oxygen, neon, silicon, sulfur, Iron, and nickel. The heavier the element, the more massive the star needs to be to use it as fuel.
This is how the elements that make up the planets are formed.
I didn’t have to look this up. Most 8th graders are expected to learn this in science class. So, this is something that you should know. If you want to look up planet formation, google “Planetary formation”, and “frost line”.
By getalife
January 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
w would surrender to China for the corporations.
Hell, he is surrendering to the Taliban.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Never thought I’d say this. In fact it makes me miss RWNJIFG. But isn’t global warming (climate change)wonderful!
It’s so balmy in New Hampshire that lines are long and there are concerns that there may not be enough ballots.
God Bless America!
There is a part of me, the best part my pop would say, that simply praises the marvel of American’s taking their civic responsibility seriously. Truth is I want them all to vote for my choice, but I also want a 1964 1/2 Mustang, candy apple red. Excrement occurs.
All you righties, I will stand to the end against you, but I see your participation numbers appear up also. Mixed feelings again.
I want to see all the numbers when this is over. The GOP and the MSM are giving Ron Paul the short sheet. That’s not real “American” now is it? The Democratic Party and the Media are doing the same thing to John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich.
Some of the candidates may not have a chance in hell at the Oval Office. These three men have had a measurable effect on the electorate.
So, who’s the GOP going to shine it’s light on tonight? . My guess is McCain. What do you think?
two five oh eight being a lib is really great!
(sux, but first draft)
I have a 2nd, 3rd and 4th in this race so I am breaking out the daughters frozen 13 bean soup!
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Paul,
You and N-GA are killing me with your gastronomic & oenological talk, as I no longer drink! The wines here are wonderful, and affordable European ones, plentiful. I even tasted a stunningly good Champagne over the holidays that cost less than $10 at Trader Joe’s! Good grief. Tapas and Jerez, how wonderful. Or maybe some Sangria with Spanish brandy. What a masochist I am.
I appreciate your points here. May I quibble a bit with the valid illustration you made using FDR as exemplar? FDR had Hopkins pull strings to keep his boys out of harm’s way. I know this because I knew his eldest, the late Congressman James R., who was enormously ashamed of it and who tried hard, and with some fine success, to get into the fight. What most upset Jimmy was that his father had given orders to keep his own clan trumped up in the press while meanwhile the military papers were under tacit orders to ignore TR’s children, notably Ted, a brilliant soldier who was the most highly decorated U.S. infantry officer of the war. (The guy who went unarmed to become the ranking brass on the Normandy beaches in the first wave.) But your example still holds, though unfortunately it also holds for TR’s enthusiastic support of U.S. entry into WWI, which support he later rued when he lost his beloved youngest child, Quentin, to an airplane crash that occurred simply because of Quentin’s lifelong desire to please and impress his father.
By N-GA
January 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
With most of the individuals running for President we know what they will do…more of the same.
It may be simplistic, but we really do need change…SIGNIFICANT change!
Perhaps Obama or R. Paul can make that happen. I’m not real enthused about Ron Paul…I think he tends to think he is messianic. He just doesn’t advertise it.
Obama is mostly an unknown quantity. Yet I suspect when he says that he wants to reach across the aisles, he means that he will compromise his position in order to achieve his objectives. When Bush said he wants to reach across the aisles, he always means that he expects the opposition to endorse his position.
At this point, it’s Obama!!
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
Look at idiot w00sie marveling at the creation while it denies the Creator.
It’s sort of funny how all these scientists have the “answers” but they are still totally unable to create energy and life from absolutely nothing.
Like God did.
Answer that “secret,” dumbas-s.
~~~~~
I still find nothing funnier than to hear some twangy redneck selling “Toy o tas” on the TV set.
“We gun take care a ya, so ya cum on down, ya hear?”
Do people just not realize how ridiculous they are?
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this
Poor, poor pitiful Billy Jeff. Is the AJC part of this media conspiracy to smear him?
Oh and did he forget, toward the end of this clip, that he was supposed to be campaigning for his “wife” rather than his legacy?
By N-GA
January 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Have to go…good chatting w/you.
cheers…
By Paul
January 8, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this
Glenn
Thank you for that wonderful insight.
N-GA
Looks like the slow servers/dropped posts are back. I’ll try again:
N-GA
Unfortunately, I didn’t know what the appetizers were (there were over 20 of us) so we were snacking on that along with the different shrimps and such. But it was a nice accent to the company.
No real joy in that hindsight, is there? Smarter people? Doubtful. More information? Sure - but much was wrong (and had been repeated at truth for years) and much was, I think, assumptions masquerading as facts.
Admit a mistake? I just heard, the other night, a Dem operative tell a talking head “never, ever admit a mistake.” I do hope that’s one of the changes Obama’s talking about.
What concerns me is the process by which all this occurred. And what has changed. Intel agencies? Reform, maybe - but the real budget power wasn’t changed. Much is still concentrated in the Pentagon. Homeland Security? Oh, please. State? Still rather hidebound by my way of thinking. Military? Lots of good counterinsurgency thought and changed practices in the Army. But where the $$$ go - not a lot changed. Gen Petraeus was head of the last Army general’s board (select colonels for general). We’ll see from those promoted if that institution was really willing to change in a meaningful way. Other services? (Navy, AF) - business as usual. As well as Congress’s and buying big-ticket stuff for their constituencies.
But Iraq deaths are down. Iraqi cooperation is on the increase (motives aside).
But I fear our mideast presence will be much larger than it needs to be. For a long time, regardless of who is President.
Maybe when the fuel economy standards kick in in 2020, and when the current crop of guzzlers stop running…
By w00t
January 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this
Luckolame, God gave us a brain to use, not to turn off. I’m going to use mine.
What have we gotten in the name of religion other than wars and death?
Oh, thats right, NOTHING!
Science has given you everything around you, and that cheeto covered keyboard and computer that you’re currently sitting at.
Dont be such a dolt.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
N-GA
What a profoundly truthful statement
don’t look for compassion from people who will tell you are they are compassionate
amen my sibling!
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this
Duh,
I along with you believe in a creator.
I also understand Oparin and Hawking. (Major dictionary and internet help needed}
I also don’t trust you or people who communicate the way you do to have any clear idea of the greatness and goodness of that creator.
Besides, they’re not mutually exclusive concepts.
Look at it this way.
God sneezed.
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Thank you for fuzzing up an historical record far more important than your opinions concerning the national security interest.
By Luckoduh
January 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Mrs. Godzilla January 8, 2008 6:29 PM I want to see all the numbers when this is over.}}}}
Those “libs” are all independents voting against Klintoon.
You will figure this out soon enough.
~~~~~
{{{{By w00t January 8, 2008 6:37 PM Luckolame, God gave us a brain to use, not to turn off. I’m going to use mine.}}}}
Oh so now you are claiming that you can think, eh?
We’ll then try this, Einstein: Do you really believe that Norman Mailer was present at the Creation and wrote the New York Times best seller The Bible because of it?
I have no gripes about the way you describe the universe being Created, but how could have man told the same story you did thousands of years ago when the Bible was written?
The scientists used to stick leeches on people to bleed them, we’ve learned much since those awful days.
But there is one thing I know for a fact that humans will never be able to figure out and that is how to create energy and life from absolutely nothing.
You are the one closing your mind, dimwit.
In fact, I believe in just about every scientific theory out there save for the silly as-s one about evolution.
No facts, no evidence of it, you found a dead fish, great.
I look at an earthworm and think this is the best it could do for itself?
Why no legs or no arms, is it a lazy a* lib at heart?
What, pray tell, motivated a single cell protozoa to “grow up” and be George Washington, while the damn worm got left behind?
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this
Luckoduh, with respect, it’s not the Darwinian Thesis that’s blown; it’s Darwin-ism, its over-application.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
No Duh, Duh!
Senator Clinton will not do as well as she would have liked. Neither will Rudy or Fred (oh, I know, “they haven’t campaigned) but still they won’t do as well as they hoped.
But frankly, big whup!
The Democrats are offering a home cooked meal. The GOP has turned to fast food.
Enjoy your rather strange ecstacy over the Senators numbers tonight.
By Paul
January 8, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Glenn
You’re welcome. Gems such as you relate are difficult to come by. Just saw Henry Fonda playing the part in, I think, The Longest Day. It alluded to what you related.
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
What the movie doesn’t mention is that Ted died from a massive heart attack four or five days earlier, in his tent near the beach, in which tent his soldier brother and nurse sister had just visited him, and in which he received news of his award of the medal of honor.
Ted also co-founded the American Legion.
By Glenn
January 8, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Pardon me. Four or five days later, of course.
It was the magnitude of Ted’s achievement that embarrassed James so much. Two big differences between James and Franklin were that the former was a Republican willing to admit his reverence for Theodore and his enormous admiration for Theodore’s children. James aged and died humiliated by his beloved father’s general pettiness.