Mike Luckovich

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

I thought the libs wanted peace talks?

So if we do what the Code Pinko say and they still whine about it, why should we even bother listening to them anymore?

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Guns are legal to purchase in Georgia and dealers follow the letter of the law when selling them.

Guns purchases are illegal in Pinkoville, New York City:

{{{{New York also blames two other Georgia gun shops for some of its street crime. In a lawsuit that provided only sketchy details of the Queens crime, authorities complain Adventure Outdoors was the original source of at least 21 handguns, including the Bryco, recovered at New York crime scenes between 1994 and 2001.-Urinal}}}}

So what Conservative talking point does this prove?

If guns are outlawed only criminals will have guns?

And doesn’t it prove without a doubt that stupid liberal regulations are a farce, an idiocy, New York, Washington D.C. and Chicago all have higher homicide by gun rates than Atlanta, where guns are legal.

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The Psychos of Sorrow whine away:

{{{{Home sales drop, along with prices-Urinal}}}}

Oh, so the homes that had prices “starting” in the “low million” will now be starting at $996,5000.

Well, boo hoo hoo.

How will those developers pay their bills!

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Hey— even if the pilot costume is unavailable, Dubya can still wear his chickenhawk suit for his “peace talks” photo-op!

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

The Elephant in Annapolis’ Living Room

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

The news out of Annapolis is mixed. The optics were certainly all there: a joint statement, uplifting speeches, impressive attendees list and presidential commitment. Of course, the statement lacked substance, but really, it was the statement’s existence, not substance, that was important. Failure to produce a joint statement, even one so bereft of content, would have been an inauspicious beginning. When listening to the speech of President Bush versus that of both Olmert and Abbas, one cannot help but be struck by how jarring, divisive and dangerous Bush continues to be, with his Star-Wars-esque narrative of good versus evil

By Anonymous

November 29, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

When the delegates said they wanted peace, George asked if they preferred fresh or frozen.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

I drove by the sign on I-85 near downtown that has the number of homes for sale in Atlanta earlier this week. It was down from 109K to 105K since about 2 months ago. Could any of the finance challenged liberals on this site please explain how the number of homes for sale could go down by 5% in a “horrible housing market”?

Does anyone else ever wonder if the code pinko media isn’t talking people into a recession and creating a self fulfilling prophecy?

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Iraq Rejected U.S. Invitation To Attend Middle East Peace Conference

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Giving credit, where credit is due:

{{{{Nearly 6,000 Sunni Arab residents joined a security pact with American forces in what U.S. officers described as a critical step in plugging the remaining escape routes for extremists flushed from former strongholds. The new alliance —- called the single largest volunteer mobilization since the war began —- covers the “last gateway” for groups such as al-Qaida in Iraq seeking new havens in northern Iraq, U.S. military officials said.-Urinal}}}}

Is the Atlanta Urinal fixing to surrender the Iraq war to America?

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{{{{It appears military force will prevail in Iraq. It remains for the politicians to return the country to some form of governance or to screw things up. Iraq could become a stable regime grateful to the United States for its liberty or it could become anti-Western. If it were to become pro-Western, you can be sure that our nation’s highly trained editors would find no news there. If it became anti-Western, every complaint against Washington and every bloodcurdling threat uttered by a Baghdad potentate would be in the news. For some reason, our media are fascinated by stories that appear to harm American national interests.}}}}

Considering we aren’t hearing much news from Iraq, that must mean that they are pro American.

And anti Code Pinko.

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{{{{There are profound political implications in this for Democrats, who will have a hard time bashingRepublicans next year as the party of the rich once the story gets out they are protecting immensely wealthy hedge fund managers from the IRS. “The demographic reality is that the Democratic Party is the new ‘party of the rich,’ ” Mr. Franc says.}}}}

The story is out already.

By reebok

November 29, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Mission Accomplished! Let’s roll! With history prepared to judge him as the worst president in American history, Dubya the Alcoholic Draft Dodger has decided he wants his very own Nobel Peace Prize, just like Jimmy and Al got!

By Mike

November 29, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Mikey just wanted to do a Bush attack and couldn’t come up with anything that made sense. This cartoon is just stupid.

We get it Mikey. You adn all of your other mindless liberal partisans hate Bush. We get it and we are bored to tears of your idiotic partisanship.

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

I always love watching the Repugs’ debates when the inevitable question about waterboarding is asked of McCain… and then hearing some audience members BOO him when he states for the 100th time that waterboarding is torture. Priceless!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

I drove by the sign on I-85 near downtown that has the number of homes for sale in Atlanta earlier this week. It was down from 109K to 105K since about 2 months ago. Could any of the finance challenged liberals on this site please explain how the number of homes for sale could go down by 5% in a “horrible housing market”?

Does anyone else ever wonder if the code pinko media isn’t talking people into a recession and creating a self fulfilling prophecy?

By Can't Resist

November 29, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Did you hear that loud sighing sound after Mike Huckabee said “We should not punish children for the crimes of their parents?”

That was the collective relief of Jenna, Not-Jenna, Mary and Liz.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

W has a better chance to get a “Nobel Putz Prize” than a Peace Prize.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

As Peace Conference Begins, Palestinians Fear Land-Grab in Progress

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

Does Rudy expect the NY taxpayers to pay for his love-nest in the Hamptons with his concubine?

The expenses first surfaced as Giuliani’s two terms as mayor of New York drew to a close in 2001, when a city auditor stumbled across something unusual: $34,000 worth of travel expenses buried in the accounts of the New York City Loft Board.— When the city’s fiscal monitor asked for an explanation, Giuliani’s aides refused, citing “security,” said Jeff Simmons, a spokesman for the city comptroller.— But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.

Will Rudy pay the $34,000 back to the taxpayers or will he declare that he had mayoral business to attend in the Hamptons???

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

The Proliferation Game How the world helped Pakistan build its bomb

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

As the White House tries its hand at Middle Eastern peace negotiations, Dana Perino attempts to explain the President’s role in the talks:

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I’m sure McCain would also agree being subjected to your inane drivel here every day would be considered torture too.

Once again, for the simple of mind, George Bush did not create waterboarding. I know it makes you happy to bash Bush for waterboarding as if he himself thought the practice up and regularly uses it on old people, the poor, and innocent children, but thats just not the case. If you’d like to make a relevant point about the US Government’s use of the practice, please do so, but please also include your hero Bill Clinton and the 11% approval rating Pelosi led congress. They constitute the government that allows the practice to be used.

By Richard

November 29, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon of George in the chicken outfit. He is such a pitiful specacle at all times but that pseudo-macho flightsuit on the aircraft carrier took the cake. He was so obviously “excited” that I am surprised they didn’t have to block out the crotch portion of that pic. Anyway, I love the new term [to me] of “pinko media”, etc. How very 1980s. Reagan would be proud of you but you writers really need to move into the 21st century.

By Prophetess Kelley P

November 29, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

You people are mean. Prophident Bush will bring to the negotiating table something that is sorely needed. Jesus.

Prophident Bush needs to look those 2 leaders in the eyes, assess their souls, and then tell them about Jesus.

We need to put Jesus back in charge of the middle east. Jesus should be in command. Let us “Pray for Reign.”

By Can't Resist

November 29, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

The Hair Issue.

Romney is allowing a little manly-man gray at his temples and the do has gotten spikey. That’s some serious hairdresser time and money.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

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By @@

November 29, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

I know ml, you’d be more pleased if Hillary had planted that “olive branch” in CNN’s Republican debate last night.

Wasn’t it “Time” that was accused of doctoring the sinister O.J. Simpson cover from years ago?

It would appear as though they’ve done more of the same. This time it’s Barack Obama.

What’s up with the line down the middle Time?

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

“Foreclosure filings have nearly doubled from a year ago and more people could lose their homes in 2008, according to a report released Thursday. In October, 224,451 foreclosure filings were reported nationwide, up 94 percent from October 2006.”

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

“Twelve states, including New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, sued the Environmental Protection Agency yesterday for weakening regulations that for two decades have required businesses and industries to report the toxic chemicals they use, store and release.”

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

{Did you hear that loud sighing sound after Mike Huckabee said “We should not punish children for the crimes of their parents?}

I didn’t get to see much of the debate last night but did see that Huckleberry response.

I was fairly shocked!

As a former Baptist preacher, he certainly isn’t very biblical. “For I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation”.

Of course, the more rabid, less pragmatic candidates think it’s just another version of the A word…

So is Mikey yet another RINO?

By Richard

November 29, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Prophetess Kelly — you are a great comic relief to this site. Loved the comments about Jesus solving all the Middle East problems. I feel sure that He would be appalled at how he is used by the most un-Christian right wingers and Bushites to bolster their political failures.

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

From an economic Nobel laureate — this mess that America faces due to the Repugs’ incompetence will last for decades to come:

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush— I can hear an irritated counterthrust already. The president has not driven the United States into a recession during his almost seven years in office. Unemployment stands at a respectable 4.6 percent. Well, fine. But the other side of the ledger groans with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a dollar so weak that for an American to buy a cup of coffee in London or Paris—or even the Yukon—becomes a venture in high finance.

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Remember the Surplus?— But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000—more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American. The inequities were compounded by a second tax cut, in 2003, this one skewed even more heavily toward the rich.

And let’s not forget: how about that prophetic announcement from Dubya that the Iraqi oil would pay for our WAR???

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

It is difficult to imagine a worse coincidence than the Annapolis meeting and the announcement of an agreement between President Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for permanent U.S. bases on Iraq’s soil. The prospect of an endless occupation poses a severe embarrassment to any Arab leader who might dare to endorse or even tolerate the peace process.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Gotta run, but one other observation about last night.

Remember when President Clinton very early in his first term approved, the Colin Powell measure called “Don’t ask, don’t tell”?

I thought it was a brilliant compromise, but remember the response by some of the more strident neo-cons? They went absolutely berserk, as I recall.

Now many years later the more “compassionate conservatives” say, “It’s been working, let’s not change it”.

Typical Republicans. At least a decade or two always behind modern/realistic thinking.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

ARE WE SAFER? A report card on the war on terror

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

FCC Chairman’s Big Media Giveaway Exposed Free Press report outlines 10 facts Kevin Martin ‘doesn’t want you to know’ about cross-ownership proposal

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Let’s see, Huckabee says we shouldn’t hold children responsible for the crimes of their parents.

Blowhard acknowledges this and then says Huckabee isn’t living up to his Baptist preacher past by saying we should visit the iniquity of the fathers unto the children and children’s children.

See why it’s fun, albeit pointless, to listen to moonbat(ic)s®? They can’t keep a story line straight for 30 seconds.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, here’s your free tip of the day when sorting out the words of liberals. Some are stupid and some are liars. It’s up to you to figure out which you are dealing with but those are the only two options although at times they are combined.

Free bonus hint. The worst of the worst will constantly tell you they are moderates and beg for you to credit them for any perceived good they think they have done in their life.

By B.P.O.E.

November 29, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Pray for Rain is being demolished by Global Warming. Another warm day is in the forecast for today. The first 2 weeks of the contest have been a rout.

Pray for Rain has won only twice. Both wins combined for Pray for Rain have produced barely an inch of rain. In fact since Pray for Rain started the rain deficit has actually increased. Don’t forget that Pray for Rain is also responsible for 8 Thanksgiving weekend traffic deaths.

On the other side, Global Warming is basking in warm temps and sunny skies. They also seem to be basking in their overwhelming early lead.

However they have expressed some caution because as we all know this is normally the off season for Pray for Rain. Things like rain, the sick and poor are not normally prayed for this time of year. The bulk of the prayers this time of the year go to things such as new diamond earrings, new playstations, new cars, new Barbie Dolls and new toy Bazooka’s.

Just watch come the new year, things will really pick up for Pray for Rain. By March we will begin to see more rain days as the prayers become more focused.

This is not over. Don’t be discouraged. Sonny days will be here again. Soon.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

CNN fails to disclose questioner’s support for Hillary. Last night during the Republican presidential candidates’ YouTube debate, CNN failed to disclose that a questioner, Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who asked about gays and lesbians serving in the military, is actually a co-chair of “Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary Committee” and a steering member of “LGBT Americans for Hillary.” (See the question here.) CNN Senior Vice President and Executive Producer of the debate, David Bohrman, later acknowledged the network’s error: We regret this, and apologize to the Republican candidates. We never would have used the General’s question had we known that he was connected to any presidential candidate. Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, told Raw Story: “[Kerr] is not a campaign employee and was not acting on behalf of the campaign.”

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Henry Hyde has died.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

By B.P.O.E. 9:47 AM

Just curious…. What would a prayer for the poor from you look like?

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

As we all know CNN is chock full of triple L’s so here’s a vivid example of my helpful hints at 9:44.

Are they pathological liars or just too stupid to do the tiniest bit of research?

Of course any Republican that thinks they aren’t going to be sandbagged this way on CNN needs only to look back to 1992 when George H. W. Bush went on the Larry King show and a “random caller” on the worldwide question hotline just happened to be George Snuffalufagus (sp) while working for the Clinton campaign.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

By B.P.O.E. 9:47 AM

Just curious…. What would a prayer for the poor from you look like?

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

A man walks into a bar with a brown paper bag. He sits down and places the bag on the counter. The bartender walks up and asks what’s in the bag. The man reaches into the bag and pulls out a little man, about one foot high and sets him on the counter. He reaches back into the bag and pulls out a small piano, setting it on the counter as well. He reaches into the bag once again and pulls out a tiny piano bench, which he places in front of the piano. The little man sits down at the piano and starts playing a beautiful piece by Mozart.

“Where on earth did you get that?” asks the bartender

The man responds by reaching into the paper bag. This time he pulls out a magic lamp. He hands it to the bartender and says: “Here, rub it.”

So the bartender rubs the lamp, and suddenly there’s a gust of smoke and a beautiful genie is standing before him. “I will grant you one wish. Just one wish… each person is allowed only one!”

The bartender get real excited. Without hesitating he says, “I want a million bucks!” A few moments later, a duck walks into the bar. it is soon followed by another duck, then another. Pretty soon, the entire bar is filled with ducks and they keep coming.

The bartender turns to the man and says, “Y’know, I think your genie’s a little hard of hearing. I asked for a million BUCKS, not a million DUCKS!”

“No sh!t”, say the man, “do you really think I asked for a 12 inch pianist?”

By Paul

November 29, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

AmVet 9:18

For when you return - Huckabee’s response was for collete tuition breaks for children of illegals. Other candidates opposed his action, that’s when he made his comment about not punishing kids for what their parents did.

“As a former Baptist preacher, he certainly isn’t very biblical. “For I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation”.

Sigh. There was another question about “Do you believe the Bible, yes or no.” All answered affirmatively, but even Huckabee said it’s not all literal, there’s a lot of allegorical. One interpretation of the passage you cited is that the ill choices made by adults - the effects, the practices - are oftentimes passed on to their children, who pass it on to theirs. Child abuse in modern times is a good illustration - many molesters where themselves molested as children.

In The News

Yesterday you asked why so many of the Rep candidates talk about immigration, etc. Well, last night for about the first 30 minutes all the questions were about immigration. I guess that’s why the candidates talked about immigration in their answers?

For Dems portraying themselves as the party of diversity, I find a bunch more diversity in the positions of the top Rep candidates than I do the top Dem candidates.

AmVet

The current practices of how the military administeres “don’t ask, don’t tell” are virtually unchanged from the policies they followed during the Clinton administrations.

By John Q. Public

November 29, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

What a world we live in. If you support, have supported or just might support another candidate or another party - it’s an evil conspiracy if you ask a questions of the other candidate or party.

Evil conspiracy I tell you.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

ITN - @@ - RW-(the original) - you too, AmVet

Last night one of the questioners was a retired Army brigadier general whose question was why the candidates think the men and women of the military aren’t professional enough to serve alongside gays. The guy was also in the audience, was given a mike and went on for quite a while making a statement, after the candidates responded.

Turns out CNN flew the guy to FL, put him up and gave him the airtime. He’s also a member of Hillary Clinton’s Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, and some other category committee. ITN - a good example of media driving the agenda? Is there a topic of less interest to the people - or over which there’d be greater difference of opinion - to the Republican primary voters than that?

Look at the Democratic Party primary voters. Pick an issue of interest to Republican voters, not Democratic, who are pretty much in agreement on the, to them, minor issue. At the debate, fly in a person who’s on one of Guiliani’s committees, put him in the audience, give him more air time than any other questioner, then wait for the Democratic candidates, Party leaders and blogs to say “gee, great issue for a debate! Glad the network did that for us!”

ITN 9:52

Just saw your link - Why do you spell out that the questioner is a co-chair of “Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary Committee” but use an acronym (LGBT)to describe he’s a steering member of “Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transgender Americans for Hillary”?

Thanks for the link, though - it raises a few questions - is CNN sincere, incompetent, or both? The Hillary campaign response - I think we’ll see more of her using cutouts or once-removed associates, then say “Hey, they don’t work directly for us, we didn’t know… Sorry!” That last line - sounds a lot like what many Pres Bush critics accuse Pres Bush of, doesn’t it?

In general (no pun, there) Huckabee had the best sense of humor. Question: “what would Jesus do?” (a dumb question, I think) - Huckabee said “Jesus would never have run for public office.” Question on Mars exploration: Huckabee said “I’d like to suggest NASA send Hillary on the first rocket.”

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

{{{{By B.P.O.E. November 29, 2007 9:47 AM Pray for Rain has won only twice. Both wins combined for Pray for Rain have produced barely an inch of rain.}}}}

Angel Dust Boy a.k.a. Meth Freak:

{{{{Rain and reduction in releases has made a difference for the lake, which just nine days ago hit its lowest level since it was constructed in the 1950s. The biggest help didn’t come from rain that fell directly into the lake, but from precipitation downstream in Columbus, which got about 2.5 inches of rain Sunday and Monday.-Urinal}}}}

We got the rain we prayed for.

You should try praying for a working brain.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Hagel on Bush WH: ‘most arrogant, incompetent’ ever. Yesterday in an address to the Council on Foreign Relations, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) stepped up his rhetoric against the Bush administration, calling it one of the most “incompetent” in history:

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Since all the questions from “the general public” came from Democrat party operatives in the last CNN Democrat debate I guess they figured they would be consistent and use Democrat party operatives for the Republican debate too.

By John Q. Public

November 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

What a world we live in. If you support, have supported or just might support another candidate or another party - it’s an evil conspiracy if you ask a questions of the other candidate or party.

Evil conspiracy I tell you.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

LOL!

The administration takes heat for saying “we’re not going to talk about that.”

How many times now has Hillary’s campaign said “we didn’t know?”

Knows, won’t say.

Actions happen, people in charge are clueless.

Which engenders more confidence?

By @@

November 29, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 10:21:

I watched two candidates (McCain and Hunter) answer the Brigadier General’s questions very honestly and forthright. Romney? His response was somewhat confusing.

When AC asked the BG if his question had been answered to his satisfaction, he responded “NO”.

I’m thinking WTH? ‘Ya got two strong negatives and something in the middle. Exactly what answer was the guy “fishing” for?

With the exception of Ron Paul and Tancredo who didn’t get much airtime I thought they all did great. McCain seems very tired so I have to disagree with Gergen and Bennett on their assessment…it was a McCain win.

There seems to be a great deal of respect shared between Thompson and McCain.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

McOld booed for attacking Paul was funny.

The look Paul gave him when McOld mentioned Hitler was priceless.

Immigration is their issue and will be resolved with the Save Act.

They got nothing else, so the dems win a larger majority in a landslide.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

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If AC had actually asked the BG if the question had been answered “to his satisfaction” I could see him answering “no,” but AC asked the BG if he had gotten “an answer” so it was a farce that AC let the BG bloviate for another five minutes. AC should have said STFD and STFU at that point.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

John Q 10:35

As that’s the second time you’ve posted that, I’ll repeat myself:

“Look at the Democratic Party primary voters. Pick an issue of interest to Republican voters, not Democratic, who are pretty much in agreement on the, to them, minor issue. At the debate, fly in a person who’s on one of Guiliani’s committees, put him in the audience, give him more air time than any other questioner, then wait for the Democratic candidates, Party leaders and blogs to say “gee, great issue for a debate! Glad the network did that for us!””

The issue’s the forum, the limited time, the audience - if that doesn’t make sense I’ll try rephrasing.

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Yes, I thought McCain was coming on stronger, Huckabee seems much more comfortable. Air time seems to move away from the lower-tier candidates.

I had the impression Romney’s being way too careful.

Maybe AC should have asked “did you get the answer you wanted?”

Frankly, as I alluded to John Q - I think this is pretty much a nonissue for those outside the Party of Special Interest Groups. Don’t ask, don’t tell has had some ill effects - discharging Arabic translators, for instance. My understanding is the policy is punitive for those how openly engage in conduct, not announce orientation. If that’s the case, then the problem lies with the military in the application of the law. I may be off on that - else it seems to me a challenge by one of those discharged would be a no-brainer.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

It seems to me the problem here is that Republican presidential candidates want to discriminate against able-bodied, patriotic Americans, who are prepared to put their lives on the line during a war for their country. Conservatives can’t explain why this policy makes any sense at all, so they’re attacking an honorable, 43-year military veteran for daring to raise the subject in the first place. Booing Kerr isn’t the answer; allowing equality in our ranks is.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m constantly amazed that the “smartest woman in the world” is so consistently shocked by everything that pops up around her and how easily fooled she is, at least if you take her at her word.

I believe it fits my 9:44 helpful hints.

By @@

November 29, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

One more thing Paul…after the debate they go to the location where 24? undecided Republicans? were gathered.

That first lady they asked “Has tonight’s debate sold you on a candidate?” First words out of her mouth…”If Edwards get the Dem nomination, I’ll vote for him, but I liked ??? and ??? tonight.”

Give me a break.

The other participant questioned was either Hispanic or African American…he didn’t even know the candidates name but he liked Hunter.

Twenty-four people in the room and they picked those two?

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

{{{{The retired general who asked about gays and lesbians serving in the military at the CNN/YouTube Republican debate on Wednesday is a co-chairman of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s National Military Veterans group.}}}}

“She” plants fakes in “her” debate audience and now “she’s” planting fakes in ours.

Asking questions only democrats can understand, gays in the military, hahaha.

What a totally bogus person Shrillary is, knowing full well that “she” is too stupid to debate on merit of ideas, they have to scheme and stage everything this POS does too hide the fact.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Good grief ml!!!

We can’t have bolding or italics but you put an eight inch tall multi-color vote thingy up for your silly a$$ cartoons????

Just read the comments and you’ll know how much we care.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Great, the POS wingnuts are bashing a vet because he is gay.

Typical scum.

It is an easy way to be deferred if there is a draft.

Just tell, whether it is true or not.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

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A quick review showed the law prohibits military members from disclosing orientation. The cases I was thinking of involved people answering queries by superiors, who were subsequently discharged. As long as the people don’t talk about their sexuality, commanders can’t investigate - so those discharge actions strike me as wrong.

ITN

Ref our income distribution exchange:

Diane Rehm show, NPR, today, panelist just made the point that while the median household income has risen, it’s purchasing power is $1000 less now that six years ago. That pretty well says it, for me.

0:00U.S. Economy

Concerns about a possible recession are on the rise amid ongoing declines in consumer confidence, tightening credit markets, and continued problems in the housing market. An update on the U.S economy Guests

Greg Ip, reporter for the Wall Street Journal

JD Foster, Senior Economist, Economic Policy Studies, The Heritage Foundation

Jared Bernstein, a senior fellow and director of the Living Standards Program at the Economic Policy Institute and author of “All Together Now: Common Sense for a Fair Economy”

Ken Goldstein, economist, The Conference Board

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

IN THE FEVER SWAMPS,

Please post a link with video of which Republican candidate/s booed General Kerr, as your 10:46 implies.

Thank you in advance.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

@@ 10:50

And who picked the audience members, hmmm?

getalife

Who bashed the vet, here or during the debate? I remember several candidates being very complimentary towards the general, but disagreeing with his policy position.

Out for a while -

By getalife

November 29, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Lazy fred bashing the me generation was good.

McOld did show the General respect, unlike duh and RW.

Huckleberry preaches well.

Ron Paul had the crowd on his side.

Bunch of kooks.

Geez.

By @@

November 29, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Paul:

Your phrasing is confusing. Were the superiors discharged or were the ones being questioned discharged. Gays in the military isn’t of much concern to me. I think the military should have the final say.

My husband served and the only thing he found interesting about the BG is that he was from Santa Rosa, CA. Since I’m a native of California he likes to have a little fun at my expense. He turned to me and asked…

“Is everybody in Cali freakin’ gay?” “It’s sure beginning to look like it.”

Anyway, the conversation continues on and he had me laughing so hard I couldn’t catch my breath. It was all in fun and directed at ME and Cali, not the BG.

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

November 29, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Look there are just certain places where homosexuals don’t fit in. Army barrack showers are one, football locker rooms are another.

I mean really. I can see myself sponsoring legislation that would bar homosexuals from the locker room. I imagine what poor Tom Brady would have to endure. Disgusting. All that staring, then those quick downward glances as you’re blinking that scope out everything, that nobody ever notices. Sick.

No one should have to go through that.

By George -IF ONLY I HAD A BRAIN - Bush

November 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Lets play war, I will be the fighter pilot, you can be the daddy who pays for all my toys and games! Daddy, daddy, can I invade Iran, and wear my fighter pilot costume? Its only two trillion dollars!

By Paul

November 29, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

@@

Still here, finishing the latest work, so real quick:

Sorry about the confusion. As I understand the law:

Members can’t disclose or discuss their homosexuality.

Superiors, absent members disclosing, superiors can’t investigate.

Have been cases of superiors asking members if they’re gay (if I recall, the superiors were told “I saw Sergeant Jones talking to a gay guy at the mall last weekend” or some such) without any first hand knowledge or observation. When the member answered truthfully, the member was discharged.

That bothers me. Seems more a vendetta than anything.

Re: your husband’s comment: people congregate where they’re comfortable and find more acceptance. I know, not too serious, here - your husband was wisecracking.

Later -

By getalife

November 29, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

McOld’s torture position showed w broke the law again.

It made willard look pathetic especially with the family values crap.

At least, willard admitted there are major issues that need resolved.

Huckleberry got the loudest cheer from the me generation with dissolving the IRS.

Grover got his no new tax pledge from some but who is going to pay for w’s disasters?

Who will pay back the trillions borrowed and the trillions stolen from Social Security?

By John Q. Public

November 29, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

I am surprised to see that all the Republican candidates think our men and women at arms are all homophobes.

These young folks are the most tolerant generation of Americans.

Let’s give them some credit.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Politico editor: It looks like someone helped Rudy ‘cover his tracks’ during affair

By George -IF ONLY I HAD A BRAIN - Bush

November 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Mormans are just Muslims in disguise, hiding out in Utah.

By W stands for Worst

November 29, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Watching the GOP debate last night reminded me of a Klan meeting. They hate gays, hate imigrants, and they way they were acting hate each other. So if the GOP is so proud of Bush, why do all these candidates say they are in the image of Reagan and not Dubya?

By Say It Ain't So

November 29, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

mm from yesterday stated: Count how many times you hear the following words: Reagan, conservative, war, Iraq, Iran, terror, abortion, same-sex marriage. Count how few times you hear the following words: healthcare, economy, tax reform, foreign policy, immigration, social security. Wrong as usual.

ITN, (9:32) I guess you believe that the USA is still OCCUPYING Germany, Korea, England and a whole lot of other countries as well.

Hey goldie,(9:31), Is the war over yet?? Do you pay for your dinner before you finish eating?

GetaCLUE (11:14) Name calling (McOld) again? Did McCain insult or call you a name? As for the ‘bunch of kooks’, I’ll match the kooks from last night’s debate with any and all of your kooks, including their spouses.

(11:29) Also, how does one man’s opinion prove that someone broke the law? I guess if YOU don’t agree with something it must be illegal and ‘by god’ they’re guilty. SO SAYITH THE CONSTITUTION… Lock’um Up libby!!

By getalife

November 29, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Spew it,

“So, a good night for for the lowest denominator, a bad night for the GOP. America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers as well as various one issue activists hammering their pet cause…

He forgot that Rudy wants to replace all retiring federal employees with 10 years left of service with Robots., And as for the ladies, when they try to outlaw abortion you don’t have anything to fear. In their eyes—you’re incapable of making a rational decision on what you can do with your own bodies, you won’t be prosecuted by the law.”

Geez.

By Truthman

November 29, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

If someone can find the link to Daniel Schorr’s commentary on NPR yesterday, please post it.

He commented on a story in The National Review, the house organ of the neo-cons, where a TNR columnist says the GOP is in denial about how badly they are going to get whipped in 2008.

Neo-conmen and women, don’t say this is all liberal talk - it’s in TNR, your “bible” of politics.

In their poll (it’s a conservative magazine’s poll, so it must have validity to neo-cons), 50 percent of respondents identified themselves as Democrats - 35 percent as Repubs.

War in Iraq: 66 percent disagree with the present situation.

Every single social issue had huge Democratic majorities…EVERY SINGLE ONE!!!

Goodness, 2008 is going to be great.

And don’t worry, you neo-cons who say you’ll leave America when the progressive, peace-loving, Beatitude-living take back our country.

Delta is ready when you are!!

By Say It Ain't So

November 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Oh Boy Clueless, I guess I did not see the same debate that you saw! Please show me where a “parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers” were during the debate.

Robots? That must have been during my bio break.

Outlaw abortion? You need to try and understand what is said. Please enlighten everyone here, where did anyone say they wanted to outlaw abortion? All I heard was they wanted to allow the States to decide.

Is that not in the Constitution? You know, something about State Rights.

The level of your ignorance still amazes me.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Say it ain’t so

Do you understand the concept of the link?

Do you understand that what is linked to has an author?

Do you understand that ITN is not the author?

Do you understand that when you presume to think for another you have lost your ability to think for yourself?

Do you understand that when you play stupid, it suits you?

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

[Court orders Bush administration to disclose telecom ties. Glenn Greenwald reports:

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has won another significant legal battle, as a federal judge in California yesterday ordered the Bush administration (.pdf) to comply with EFF’s FOIA demand and disclose documents revealing its “communications with telecommunications carriers and members of Congress” regarding efforts to amend FISA and provide amnesty to telecoms. Better still, the court imposed an extremely quick deadline for release of these documents — December 10 — so that “the public may participate in the debate over the pending legislation on an informed basis.”](http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/court-orders-bush-administration-to-disclose-telecom-ties/)

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Leahy: Bush Not Involved In Firings (Therefore, Exec Privilege Claims for Rove, Bolton are Illegal)

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) — Fewer new homes than forecast were sold in the U.S. in October even as prices dropped by the most in almost four decades, deepening the real estate slump that threatens to stall economic growth.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Court orders Bush administration to disclose telecom ties. Glenn Greenwald reports: The Electronic Frontier Foundation has won another significant legal battle, as a federal judge in California yesterday ordered the Bush administration (.pdf) to comply with EFF’s FOIA demand and disclose documents revealing its “communications with telecommunications carriers and members of Congress” regarding efforts to amend FISA and provide amnesty to telecoms. Better still, the court imposed an extremely quick deadline for release of these documents — December 10 — so that “the public may participate in the debate over the pending legislation on an informed basis.”

By Say It Ain't So

November 29, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Liar Man, I have yet to hear any GOP supporters claim ‘I’ll leave America when the progressive, peace-loving, Beatitude-living take back our country.’

Those were claims that your party have made over and over again. But you see, I’ve yet to hear of any of those spineless wonders who have actually left.

Just another example of how your party does not have the spine to live by their convections. You can ‘talk the talk’ but you have never learned how to ‘walk the walk’.

ITN Finally posted her own words. What no link in this post? You post the link, you tout the link, you must agree with the link or did you forget to think about it and give your opinion? Oh, that’s right you can’t think for yourself, you can only parrot other people’s thoughts. You go girl, you do your gender and party proud!

I would much rather ‘play’ stupid then be like you and ‘be’ stupid.

By Midori

November 29, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

here you go, Truthman

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS: I’m a complete dumba$$. I like to use multiple IDs and hide behind news releases because I’m too much of a pu$$y to face my foes.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Say it ain’t so,

So you are the kind of girl who believes everything she reads?

Explains your weight.

You’re also the kind of girl who makes assumptions about others.

Explains your lack of critical thinking.

You are also the kind of girl that speaks/blogs with out any real purpose.

Explains why you can’t get a date for the prom.

Maybe it’s your time of the month.

Cranky? Bloated? Pimples?

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife November 29, 2007 12:24 PM “So, a good night for for the lowest denominator, a bad night for the GOP. America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers as well as various one issue activists hammering their pet cause…}}}}

al-Gitmo: Those were all registered democrats, hahaha.

You honestly don’t believe the Clintoon News Network allowed any Conservatives into their studios, do you?

How naive.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Check out this pathetic wingnut thread:

Scum.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

duh,

Grover is not a con?

Did you watch the debate?

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{Do you understand that ITN is not the author?-by IN THE FEVER SWAMPS}}}}

Can it get any more hysterical around here? Now this loon is telling us he’s nothing but a glorified info crawl.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

AGAIN?

By cracky!

I AM SO PROUD THAT THE WORK I DO HERE FREAKS OUT THE MEGA TROLL EVERY SO OFTEN!

I AM SO PROUD TO HAVE OLD NUMBNUTZ HIM???HER???SELF BE REDUCED TO STEALING MY ID AND POSTING.

IT IS ESPECIALLY DELIGHTFUL, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO READS THAT CRAP KNOWS ITS NOT ME AND LAUGHS THAT CAPTAIN CREEPO CANNOT CONTROL ITSELF.

DEPENDS DUDE. FOR YOUR LACK OF CONTROL!

KEEP IT UP SLUG!

IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.

IT MAKES ME WORK HARDER!

By getalife

November 29, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

“ABC, its easy as 123”

“ABC,123, be gay like me.”

Bwa.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Better to be an info crawl, than a creepy crawler!

By getalife

November 29, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

I wear Depends.

I wear it for rear leakage though.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I will be happy to plug up your rear leakage. Say ahhhhh!

By Truthman

November 29, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Say it ain’t so:

The word is “conviction,” not “convection.”

Convection is a method of cooking. Conviction is what should happen to Bush/Cheney/Rove/McClellan and anybody else involved with outing a covert CIA agent (remember when Bush the Elder said that was a “treasonous offense.”

Talk about not sticking to “convictions!!”

Sorry, SIAS, but you lose!!

By getalife*

November 29, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Stop wanking!

What me and my boyfriend do is none of your business.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

sorry getalife,

i thought rectal leakage was only a problem with folks who eat olestra and neo-cons.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Paul, I’m sure you know by now, much of what I write is to create controversy, either favorable or not, as regards the compassionate conservatives here. Using extreme words and ideas almost always works.

Watching people get riled up is, most would agree, simply a part of the fun of this blog.

For evidence, note that most days my first post is met with derision and MUCH scorn by a certain blogger or three. I laugh and when the offended parties, who hang on my every word, puke all over themselves they feel better too.

And I admit that for the humor-challenged and those who take their opinions WAY too seriously, discerning the irony of some of my posts is exceptionally difficult.

But most educated people with even a scintilla of a sense of humor can tell by the use of certain phrases and terms that Shirley I jest.

If you took my comments about Huckabee and the verse from Exodus seriously, then I am surprised, as you usually laugh at these items.

And, for the life of me, I cannot deduce to what end you wrote this: The current practices of how the military administeres “don’t ask, don’t tell” are virtually unchanged from the policies they followed during the Clinton administrations.

24 words but I can’t tell if that is an agreement of my assertion or not.

ITN at 10:23, conservative, liberal or centrist, you gotta love Hagel for speaking his mind!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

By IN THE NEWS 1:23 PM

{{{I AM SO PROUD TO HAVE OLD NUMBNUTZ HIM???HER???SELF BE REDUCED TO STEALING MY ID AND POSTING.}}}

Bring back memories of you reposting my work under the “realist” ID yesterday and making silly claims about it??? You really are a complete idiot…

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

IT HATES ME AND IT CANT CONTROL HIMSELF!

WONDERFUL!

It’s sitting in front of it’s keyboard, beet red in the face, saliva sliding out of the corner of its mouth.

COME ON TROLL!

DO YOUR WORST!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

By IN THE NEWS 1:23 PM

{{{I AM SO PROUD TO HAVE OLD NUMBNUTZ HIM???HER???SELF BE REDUCED TO STEALING MY ID AND POSTING.}}}

Bring back memories of you reposting my work under the “realist” ID yesterday and making silly claims about it??? You really are a complete idiot…

By Truthman

November 29, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Midori!

You are a fine American!

2008 is going to be great!!

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife November 29, 2007 1:21 PM duh, Grover is not a con? Did you watch the debate?}}}}

al-Gitmo: Are you really trying to tell me that the co-chairman of SHrillary Rodham Clintoon’s National Military Veteran’s group was in the Clintoon Network News debate audience trying to decide which Republican candidate he’s going to vote for?

GTF out here.

One silly as-s pinko stunt calls into question the premise of the whole entire debate.

You libs can’t look anymore foolish, but I’m sure you’ll keep trying.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

TROLL,

WOW! YOU’RE REALLY TURNING ME ON.

ARE YOU INTO ANIMALS? I HAVE A NICE HAMSTER WE CAN PLAY WITH!

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

RB/RB

IF YOU HAVE THE STONES…..

contact the AJC (unless of course you did it yourself - which is what i think)

IF YOU DONT HAVE THE STONES….. YOU MUST JUST BE THE LIAR AND COWARD WE THINK YOU ARE!

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

RB/RB

IF YOU HAVE THE STONES…..

contact the AJC (unless of course you did it yourself - which is what i think)

IF YOU DONT HAVE THE STONES….. YOU MUST JUST BE THE LIAR AND COWARD WE THINK YOU ARE!

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

I think any body who lives by their convections should be a chef.

But if you want to live by your diffusions or advections, you had best get a thermal transfer scientist for help with that.

By getalife^

November 29, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

What about me? You two timing loser!

You promised me the hamster!

Scum.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Filthy wanker must be part of the family values crowd.

Anyhoo,

CNN did not post Dean’s question in the debate with Billiam the snowman.

By Shawny

November 29, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Huckabee ‘08

By Shawny

November 29, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Huckabee ‘08

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Lazy Fred understands:

{{{{When we look to Washington, we see a bureaucratized government increasingly unable or unwilling to carry out basic governmental functions, including securing our borders against illegal immigration and enforcing our laws. A nation that can’t protect its border will no longer be a sovereign nation. We see a Congress more politicized and divided than ever and disconnected from the American people. Is this the government that some would have play an even greater role in running our lives? We must do better.}}}}

By Shawny

November 29, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Huckabee ‘08

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Karl Rove’s Shameless, Remorseless, Soulless Attempt to Rewrite History

COME ON CRAZY TROLL

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Truthman at 12:35, though it is most interesting I don’t see the upcoming neo-con bloodbath as particularly newsworthy. I sense that most sensible Americans, even historic Republicans, know it is inevitable.

Which could lead to the antithesis of the Reagan Democrats - the Clinton Republicans! (again?)

BTW, I love that phrase “Neo-conmen and women”! I think I’ll Joe Biden that one.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

If I have the stones to do what? I just called you out you POS. You posted the “realist” comment yesterday and everybody, including all your code pinko buddies, knows that. You also regularly hijack people’s ID’s, including mine, and post garbage everbody knows didn’t come from the original. The worst part is you actually think nobody’s smart enough to figure that out.

Perhaps that comes from the same part of your brain that thinks “I post under multiple ID’s so everyone else must also” except in this case it’s “I’m and idiot so everybody else must be too”. No, ITN, it’s just you.

Any day now, I expect you to start posting in crayon…

By W stands for worst

November 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Took them 7 years but finally the GOP higher ups are finally pulling their heads out of their a@@:

Hagel: Bush administration is ‘incompetent’ and he would consider joining a Dem ticket

“This is one of the most arrogant, incompetent administrations I’ve ever seen personally or ever read about,” the always blunt and frequently quotable Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said yesterday during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

ACTIALL RB….I spoke to the AJC.

See I have stones. I have integrity.

You are a liar and a coward.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Anderson Cooper is shocked, SHOCKED I say! BS, you could tell he knew or he would have just something like, “Thanks Bill, we’ll look into it.”

By @@

November 29, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Oh jiminy whimmers — this place went downhill in a hurry. I’m off to the dust-encrusted tombs of the AJC.

Before I go a quick note to

Paul @ 11:27:

(((Re: your husband’s comment: people congregate where they’re comfortable and find more acceptance.)))

I take issue with that comment. It almost sounds as though you assume I or my husband are comfortable laughing at certain people.

Allow me to elaborate just a bit. Both he and I know, through mutual friends and work, know guys who just happen to be gay. We both appreciate them as people. My husband knows there are gays in the world and knew full-well there were probably gays in the military when he served.

His view on gays is “Look…I ain’t interested so don’t tell me alright?”

Last night he jokingly said “Call (insert name here), our gay friend and find out if he was in the military and then call (insert name here), his long-time Army buddy in Cali and ask if he’s in the damn closet.”

I guess you had to be there. It was hilarious especially with all the expletives he was using.

When anyone asks my husband for his opinion on gays he says “They’re great for the economy. They usually have high incomes and it’s all disposable.”

The economy takes political priority with him.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Rudy the Torturer and Guantanamo Mitt

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

A new intelligence institution to be inaugurated soon by the Bush administration will allow government spying agencies to conduct broad surveillance and reconnaissance inside the United States for the first time. Under a proposal being reviewed by Congress, a National Applications Office (NAO) will be established to coordinate how the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and domestic law enforcement and rescue agencies use imagery and communications intelligence picked up by U.S. spy satellites. If the plan goes forward, the NAO will create the legal mechanism for an unprecedented degree of domestic intelligence gathering that would make the U.S. one of the world’s most closely monitored nations. Until now, domestic use of electronic intelligence from spy satellites was limited to scientific agencies with no responsibility for national security or law enforcement.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

RB,

Your duh is showing.

Cover it up kook.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

As usual, ITN, you get busted for being a pathetic copycat with no integrity or morals, so you call people names and change the subject. I have lied about NOTHING on this site and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Put up the goods bigmouth.

And while you’re at it, truthfully answer this question… Have you ever hijacked another user’s ID on this blog and posted comments contrary to their normal opinions? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

caught ann coulter on tv last night. the repugs must be proud to have her as a spokesperson. what a piece of work.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

As usual, ITN, you get busted for being a pathetic copycat with no integrity or morals, so you call people names and change the subject. I have lied about NOTHING on this site and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Put up the goods bigmouth.

And while you’re at it, truthfully answer this question… Have you ever hijacked another user’s ID on this blog and posted comments contrary to their normal opinions? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

By W stands for worst

November 29, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa,

Did you see were coulter wants her address no longer listed in WPB, because someone left her an offensive greeting card? She can be offensive herself but she like other GOP lovers dont want to hear it from you…

By getalife

November 29, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

I guess this lady did not sign the repudlickin oath to enjoy her freedom of speech like RW proposes:

“But what really made the moment special was one undecided Republican voter who thought she ‘may’ have finally decided:

Sharon: “I think if the Democrats have John Edwards, I’d vote for John Edwards.” … “I had thought about Giuliani, I had thought about Mitt Romney, also Fred Thompson. I don’t care for his TV shows but you know, I thought maybe him being an actor that was just a persona and it’s not.”

I’ll take a wild guess that wasn’t exactly the answer any of the GOP contenders wanted to have broadcast to the masses, especially not Frederick of Hollywood.”

Bwa.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Nebraska has a population of about 1.7 million. Georgia - 8.2 million.

Nebraska has one kicka$$ US Senator - Hagel, a maverick Republican and another good one - Nelson a conservative Democrat.

With a populace nearly five times greater, you think the Peach State could at least elect one DECENT US Senator. Instead, we get “Blood & Guts” Chambless and Johnny Who?

Pathetic.

By IN THE NEWS

November 29, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett is a liar and a coward.

By Georgia 74

November 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

RB RB admit admit it it.. You You are are Bi Danish Bi Danish,, come come clean clean..

By W stands for worst

November 29, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett writes:

I drove by the sign on I-85 near downtown that has the number of homes for sale in Atlanta earlier this week. It was down from 109K to 105K since about 2 months ago. Could any of the finance challenged liberals on this site please explain how the number of homes for sale could go down by 5% in a “horrible housing market”?

Does anyone else ever wonder if the code pinko media isn’t talking people into a recession and creating a self fulfilling prophecy?

First, how is code pink involved in the home problem? You linking them to the home problem is like w linking Iraq to Al Queda. And here is an article that blows your fiction piece away:

Home prices: Worst drop since ‘70 New home prices were down 13% in October, yet sales pace still falls well short of forecasts. August and September sales reading cut.

Yep Code Pink and the Dems are responsible for that arent they?

By mm

November 29, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

My oh my. That debate was riveting. A bunch of pasty white dinosaurs attacking each other. After 20 minutes I changed the channel.

SIAS, no I didn’t count. I was too busy laughing before I changed the channel.

RB,

{{{Does anyone else ever wonder if the code pinko media isn’t talking people into a recession and creating a self fulfilling prophecy?}}}

That comment speaks for itself.

Duh,

{{{The biggest help didn’t come from rain that fell directly into the lake, but from precipitation downstream in Columbus, which got about 2.5 inches of rain Sunday and Monday.-Urinal}}}

If rain fell downstream from the lake, how could that help fill up the lake?

@@,

{{{Twenty-four people in the room and they picked those two?}}}

Are you disappointed because someone didn’t tell you how to think?

By B.P.O.E.

November 29, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Right you are @@. I could like a homosexual if his name were Roger or say James . Forget it if their name is Bruce or Terry. I think 81% of all Terry’s are gay. Probably not Terry Bradshaw but certainly most of the others.

They can’t be sissies either. Nor could they say they are Christian.

Same with blacks, they couldn’t be named Jamal or Jawon, but I could have a black friend named Toby or Brian.

Since I have never met a Mexican that wasn’t named Juan or Jose, I can’t say I’d have a Mexican friend.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Personally, I think Ms. Coulter is the perfect poster girl for the Neo-conmen and women. As made crystal cleat daily by those who mimic her more endearing qualities on this blog.

She is undoubtedly one of the more blatantly obvious reasons that millions of Americans are repulsed by the far right wing of this new Republican Party and it’s absolutely twisted agenda. And why they are an almost statistical certainty to go bye bye en masse next November.

See ya Ann lovers!

By @@

November 29, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

That is so uncanny B.P.O.E.

Two weeks ago I attended a wedding shower for a friend. There was a gay couple there and their names happened to be Terry and Bruce. I’m not sure what you think that has to do with anything but rock on buddy.

They were decent guys but then we didn’t exchange details about our sex lives. Hell, they could’ve been married but I didn’t ask them that question either. Let’s see…if I recall, I asked them about their jobs. They were both architects.

Could you be anymore defensive on the topic? Calm down before you have an anurism.

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

{{“The Coming Cataclysm.”}}

A pretty astute headline coming from The National Repuke, of all places…

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Truthman— I certainly try to live by my CONVECTIONS. Yum!!!

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

you know, ann coulter is 45, never been married, republican and seems kind of strong for a woman. Hmmm, I wonder, could she be a …..

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

By mm 2:43 PM

{{{SIAS, no I didn’t count. I was too busy laughing before I changed the channel.}}}

Of course you didn’t count. You would never let FACTS get in the way of your silly claims. You made the claim, were challenged on it, and then didn’t follow through. Not surprising…

If I told you every day of the week for a year I heard a noise in your car that sounded like it was about to croak, you’d start to lose trust in it wouldn’t you? “Ah, I just heard it again. I’m telling you, you’ll be lucky if it makes it to Starbucks and back”. You can’t tell me you wouldn’t think twice about it. The same thing happens with this pinko media and their obsession with bad news that makes the adminstration look bad. The American people have been told NOTHING but bad news about the war in Iraq for years. In fact good news is almost never shared. Given that, why is anybody surprised the American people have a low opinion of the war???

To the housing issue, there is a very real problem with foreclosures, however the problem is nobody’s fault but the lenders who gave high risk people a loan and the buyers who took on debt they couldn’t afford. It will sort itself out. You failed to answer the question of how there is a 5% reduction in homes for sale in this horrible housing market, however. How is that possible?

By @@

November 29, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa:

Is ANN a gay name? Ask B.P.O.E. he/she seems to have the scoop.

Tammy Bruce is a conservative lesbian. I think she does a great job speaking for conservatives everywhere.

By Goldie

November 29, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

I often hear the Repukes getting all swoony about “winning in Iraq” and saying that all of our troops are saying “let us win”… well, what exactly is YOUR definition of “win in Iraq” and what would that picture look like???

I think that if you want to “win in Iraq”, then we need to see the jihadists stop wanting to kill Americans. That would be a “win”, yes? What is the likelihood of that ever happening as long as our troops continue to occupy the streets of Iraq???

Just like Ron Paul stated at the debate last night, we wouldn’t like it if THE IRAQIS WERE OCCUPYING AMERICA, now would we???

By mm

November 29, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

RB,

You didn’t present any facts. Care to post the counts?

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

the only gay name I know for sure is “Butch” Inside joke: also Alexis

By @@

November 29, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

mm @ 2:43:

(((Are you disappointed because someone didn’t tell you how to think?)))

Well noooo!!! I remain a Giuliani supporter. With the exception of Ron Paul who is a proven racist and a nutjob, all of them handled the questions very well.

Had Bill Bennett not watered Hillary’s plants on aire I would have written them off as the usual uninformed voter but since Hillary’s plants were thriving I thought hmmmmmmm….is it possible?

All of the participants must now be called into question. Whose fault is that? CNN’s…that’s who.

C’mon mm — the first name out of that woman’s mouth was John Edwards. She could have at least mentioned some Republican names before Edwards came up. The Latino/African American guy (I think I detected a slight accent but I can’t be sure)…if it turned out he was a plant? Maaaannnnn that would tick me off because he appeared to be lacking in knowledge and just happened to be a person of color.

By W stands for worst

November 29, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

RB writes:

“You failed to answer the question of how there is a 5% reduction in homes for sale in this horrible housing market, however. How is that possible?”

Easy answer, it is called foreclosure.

By RE

November 29, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

RB,

I will give it a shot and give you a real answer on why there are less homes for sale in atlanta.

First off, nationally unsold homes are continuing to rise, with an average of 11 months of inventory on the market, meaning that the number of homes for sale is about 11 times higher than the number actually sold in a given month. This number does not include forclosed properties that are bank owned but not on the market yet, so the number is actually a good deal higher, however how much is anyone’s guess. Atlanta is doing better than the rest of the nation, in part because they did not get as much of a housing boom as other areas like folrida and california, those areas went higher faster and are coming down lower and quicker.

It is a big problem and will be for the next several years. Part of the solution is the devaluation of our currency you see now, it will continue to be devalued until it catches up with the inflationary price of housing. This is not a left-right thing, it is an america thing, it is going to be bad for everyone.

By mm

November 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

@@,

I was just kidding. Everyone on this blog needs to lighten up a little.

I do admit, it’s hard to tell when folks are serious and when they’re joking because of some of the ridiculous claims on both sides.

By @@

November 29, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Venezuela’s military is beginning to fracture. Pro-Chavez vs Anti-Chavez.

Interesting.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

By mm 3:30 PM |

I didn’t make the claim, mm. You did. Support it!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

By mm 3:30 PM |

I didn’t make the claim, mm. You did. Support it!

By Paul

November 29, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Hi AmVet 1:39

Was just trying to put the Huckabee quote in context of the debate - as you said you didn’t catch much of it. If anything, I thought his “don’t punish the kids” quote was way off the mark. The other “generation” comment. I like that explanation. Before you arrived every so often I’d have discussion with literalists, would make a reference like that. BTW - Huckabee said much of the Bible is allegorical - I was pleasantly surprised.

Don’t ask - don’t tell: my point was what’s happened the last seven years is no different than what happened under Clinton - both Presidents gave DoD a pretty free hand in administering “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

That struck me as an early Clinton bungle - an attempt to use the military to make headway with their social equality commitments. There was no problem with mission capability “don’t ask don’t tell” was designed to correct - it was a “fairness” issue (payback to a major special interest group) - problematic when dealing with civilian vs military societies.

I see it as not being much of an issue in a couple of service branches, a larger issue in some other branches. Difficulty is the same standards need to be applied across the board - so it necessitates compromise. I’d like to see the current restrictions on no investigations by commanders with an on-duty comment or action by the member strictly enforced. I also wouldn’t mind seeing no penalties for a statement of identity - surely some of the comments by some of the young hetersexuals about their exploits are boorish to many. But conduct (actions - behavior - what General Pace was discussing, which got lost in the discussion (every bit the liberal hysteria comparable to the conservative hysteria you cited earlier) can be regulated - it’s the military. They punish for adultery, for pete’s sake. It’s not civilian society.

Luckoduh 1:46

“Are you really trying to tell me that the co-chairman of SHrillary Rodham Clintoon’s National Military Veteran’s group was in the Clintoon Network News debate audience trying to decide which Republican candidate he’s going to vote for?”

LOLOLOL! That’s the best one yet!

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I wonder how W thinks he is going to broker peace in the Mideast when he cannot even do it here in the U.S.A. Besides, if we wait long enough, global warming will eventually make Antartica habitable and then we can give it to the Palestinians for their new homeland. If that happens, Al Gore just might win another Nobel peace Prize for his foresight.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

By RE 3:45 PM

{{{This is not a left-right thing, it is an america thing, it is going to be bad for everyone.}}}

That could be one of the most rational comments I’ve seen here all day. Imagine that, a problem that’s not the fault of George Bush or Sonny!!!

The Atlanta real estate market is not in the same tank many others are. It’s actually fairly healthy still. It would be interesting to see the AJC actually admit that (along with the doom and gloom crowd on this site) vs constantly hearing the sky is falling. Isn’t good news good for all of us?

Worst, nice try, but whether foreclosures are included or not, generally, if someone buys one, they either sell it or their existing home. Either way, a house shows up on the market and would be reflected in the numbers. If they rent it, obviously it won’t, but that would also make it irrelevant to the question.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 29, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

By RE 3:45 PM

{{{This is not a left-right thing, it is an america thing, it is going to be bad for everyone.}}}

That could be one of the most rational comments I’ve seen here all day. Imagine that, a problem that’s not the fault of George Bush or Sonny!!!

The Atlanta real estate market is not in the same tank many others are. It’s actually fairly healthy still. It would be interesting to see the AJC actually admit that (along with the doom and gloom crowd on this site) vs constantly hearing the sky is falling. Isn’t good news good for all of us?

Worst, nice try, but whether foreclosures are included or not, generally, if someone buys one, they either sell it or their existing home. Either way, a house shows up on the market and would be reflected in the numbers. If they rent it, obviously it won’t, but that would also make it irrelevant to the question.

By @@

November 29, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Giving the Antarctica to the Palestinians? I’m not sure that would work. They’re rather partial to their mosques and holy sites.

Maybe if a couple of igloos could remain.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

@@ 2:21

Didn’t mean to say anything personal you’d take issue with. I was just thinking of some large metropolitan areas, or enclaves within those areas, or an artsy-fartsy city I used to live in.

I’m rather with your husband’s view. When I first began here I pointed out - in response to some who were criticizing others for their reactions to certain flamboyant gays, I mentioned I’d feel the same way about certain heteros. Some things are private. I think the example I used was of attending a dinner party and a couple walks up to me and says “Hi, I’m George, this is my wife Susy. We’re into bondage, she likes sex toys and I like…” Which is what I’ve experienced with some insecure or in your face gays.

You’re right about your income level observation. Bob Newhart show had an hilarious when he and a friend were going to buy some vacation cabin in some podunk place. The townspeople were really upset when they found out Bob & Friend weren’t gay – “but you people have lots of money, and when you bring your gay friends here they’ll want to buy property and eat in the restaurants and spend lots of money. Aw, heck, everyone – they’ve ruined it for us. They’re straight.”

mm 2:43

“A bunch of pasty white dinosaurs..”

Can’t wait to read your descriptions in future years as more people of color enter the primaries.

John in Tampa 3:16

Democrat?

John 4:11

Haven’t administration comments been to the effect they are there to facilitate the process? That the brokering and initiatives and compromises are up to the affected parties?

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Who needs intel when you’ve got slogans?

http://newsmax.com/us/anti-terror_focus/2007/11/29/53175.html

WASHINGTON — Local intelligence-sharing centers set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks have had their anti-terrorism mission diluted by a focus on run-of-the-mill street crime and hazards such as hurricanes, a government report concludes.

Of the 43 ”fusion centers” already established, only two focus exclusively on preventing terrorism, the Government Accountability Office found in a national survey obtained by The Associated Press. Center directors complain they were hampered by lack of guidance from Washington and were flooded by often redundant information from multiple computer systems.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I am neither Rep or Dem. I vote for who I consider to be the best candidate regardless of their party affiliation. Slim pickings recently tho.

Right now it’s between Rudy and Billary for me. I will wait and see who self-destructs in the next year unless a dark horse suddenly emerges.

A year is a long time and anything can happen.

By RE

November 29, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

RB,

Foreclosures go to public auction, and the bank will usually bid on the property for the amount owed. FOr example if a house has a 300k debt on it and goes to a foreclosure sale, the bank will bid up to 300k on it, now if the house is valued at 400k, then private investors will usually bid higher and the bank will make it’s money and walk from the property. If the property is valued at 250k, the bank will still buy it for 300k, and then hold it in hopes that the market might catch up, or sell for less than that value and write down the loss on taxes. either way, it winds up that there is a 2 to 3 month window where it is not listed as on the market, also when it is foreclosed on, if it was for sale it will also be taken off the market.

Long and short of it is the numbers are massaged and it is worse than what you hear. Also whenever you hear someone of a finance show saying that they are expecting a turnaround in late 2008 or early 2009, what they are really saying is that they expect continued losses with no end in sight. It will eventually stabilize, but it will be a long time coming.

and the government is already bailing out the banks, in effect picking the pocket of every taxpayer overtly, while at the same time the fed is devaluing currency which picks your pocket covertly. Just in time for baby boomer retirees, that 100k nest egg is worth 10% less than it was a year ago, and about 35% less than it was 6 years ago.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Can black, brown, yellow and red people be pasty?

Last year when I was in Phoenix, I met this guy who had been in the construction business his entire life out there and I promise you, he was orange!

Very disturbing.

Especially as it was 104 degrees and he said it wasn’t even hot yet.

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm November 29, 2007 2:43 PM If rain fell downstream from the lake, how could that help fill up the lake?}}}}

mental midget: Why are you replying to this comment, it was directed at the speed freak, B.P.O.E.

Are you sticking up for your fellow Dusthead?

Look, man, the Chattahoochee is a river, right?

And it flows from NG-A all the way to freaking Florida, correct?

You reckon their might just be some other people along that river that depend upon it as a source of water too?

The whole world revolves around your little pinko playground in Decatur, don’t it?

Klown.

~~~~~~

{{{{By W stands for my wittle wienie November 29, 2007 2:42 PM Home prices: Worst drop since ‘70 New home prices were down 13% in October, yet sales pace still falls well short of forecasts. August and September sales reading cut.}}}}

Bozo: Since 2001, when guess who took command of the economy, home values have doubled and even tripled, maybe not at your public housing project but trust me on the rest of the country, so let’s try out some math here.

2001: House is worth 500,000.

2006: House is worth 1,250,000.

2007: House is worth 1,087,500.

Are you following me?

By Paul

November 29, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

John 4:33

“Democrat” was an attempt at humor in response to your question of “Could Ann Coulter be a ….?”

A year’s an eternity in this business.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

AmVet 4:37

He was a REAL alien. I watched a show about it on the Conspiracy Channel.

By @@

November 29, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 4:28:

(((Didn’t mean to say anything personal you’d take issue with.)))

You better make darn sure you never do it again or I’m gonna have to kick your butt. (ISH) <——Insert Smile Here.

mm @ 3:54:

(((I was just kidding. Everyone on this blog needs to lighten up a little.)))

What’s ^^^ that….some kind bigoted/racist comment? Lighten up in skin-tone or loafers. Criminy, what is it with you liberals? Why don’t you just come out and say what you mean? (ISH)

I’m just drawing on some of my past experience with liberals here. I find it very awkward but will keep trying to get it LEFT.

By RE

November 29, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Dead on on the home price thing. Problem is for the folks who bought in 2005-2007. They cannot move or sell the home anymore. This goes back to the banks where they are looking at potential liabilities of 10-30% on all homes sales in 2005 and afterward. And the decline in prcies has not ended, it will go down more. your 2009 home price might be worth closed to 850k than it will be to the peak of 1,250k. So that neighbor who bought in 2006 at 1250000 can sell at 900k in 2009. thats a 350k real loss for the bank if he gets foreclosed on. Like I said, big problems.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

sorry paul, i am still on Amsterdam time. My body thinks it’s bed time.

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Paul, I had a strange feeling when I was in the Southwest. You know, that area 51 thing and all.

But perhaps I’m just paranoid and the guy had an orange card to be here legally.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Amvet: I was in Roswell and saw some strange sh!t too. But then I went to Alpharetta and it was even worse.

Are you sure your guy wasn’t just really sun burned?

By AmVet

November 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

John, for some REALLY frightening stuff go to Marietta! (Just kidding, don’t want my Cobb County friends to freak out.)

I know you’re still on Amsterdam time and I am not, but I have been up since 5:30 this morning!

Actually I think he was more of a tawny copper color!

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE November 29, 2007 4:54 PM Andy, This goes back to the banks where they are looking at potential liabilities of 10-30% on all homes sales in 2005 and afterward.}}}}

RE: You don’t think there is just a little bit of ignorance involved here, I mean I can remember the ridiculous asking prices of just a few years ago and that is when the interest rates had already begun to rise.

Hell, there are still blooming idiots out there building vast tracts of townhomes, but you know what, they sell only 30% of them and they will still make money on the deal.

Speculation is great but common sense has to become involved every now and again.

Housing prices will fall to more reasonable levels, interest rates will drop, the market will pick back up again.

Would you sell your house for ten cents on the dollar?

What makes you think anyone else will?

By Paul

November 29, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa

“My body thinks it’s bed time.”

Yup, that’s Amsterdam time!

(grin)

Amvet 5:06

Feels like Friday to you too, eh?

Isn’t “Tawny” one of those girls John met in Amsterdam?

By RE

November 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Plenty of ignorance to go around.

I think greenspan said it best when speaking of the dot com bubble “irrational exuberance”

The problem is that the banks should have shown some common sense but did not, they wanted to increase the profit for next quarter to they took more and more risky loans with less collateral. For that 1.25 mil home back in 2006 I could have gotten a guy 100% financing with a 580 credit score and no income or asset documentation. Just bring a check for closing costs, if they aren;t covered by the seller. Stupid, but we have a whole lot of stupid people out there and some of them make decisions for the banks.

The fed will drop rates through the floor again but it will not help this time, not with 11 months inventory. It will just further devalue the dollar. Inflationary incomes will have to go up in order to catch up to home prices to stabilize the market nationwide, think about the mailman making 65k starting salary and teachers making 100k after 3 years. It will not really mean they make more money, just that the money they make has less value.

3 to 4 years at least. A very bad 3 to 4 years.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Window shopping.

(drool)

The Iranian Guard and China are disrespecting our Navy.

Chavez is w in his country.

w begging for more billions is funny.

“Giuliani’s Mistress Used N.Y. Police as Taxi Service”

I remember outrage from our friends on the right on this very issue. C.D.S.

Karma is sweet.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

Have you ever considered offering any thoughts on how to solve this problem you stand on the street corner crowing about all day every day?

By getalife

November 29, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

I see both markets corrections. Still way over priced.

“Irrational exuberance”?

Need some more of that and hope “green” is the new bubble.

By RE

November 29, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

I just did RW, and I think you can see it happening right now. Directed inflation and dollar devaluation.

in 2002 a house was worth 300k.

in 2006 it was valued at 600k.

in 2007 it is valued at 500k, but still has a 600k debt on it.

So what you do is make the currency match the overinflated value of the debt by deflating the currency. It also helps with the huge national debt. the 9 trillion debt we currently have is really worth about 7 trillion in 2001 dollars.

Sure it kinda destroys savings and weakens the country for a decade or so, but it may be the onlt way to save the banking system, most of which is government backed.

By Tiny Tim

November 29, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Getalife predicting stock market moves? Getalife, you couldn’t predict the outcome of a bowel movement, now stfu and get off this blog you frustrated fed chairman, you.

w. a. d.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

{{{{{Need some more of that and hope “green” is the new bubble.}}}}}

getalife,

There’s one where you better make your money in the next ten years. Right about the time Social Security goes into the red in 2017 the whole scam of man made global warming will be obvious to everybody and the populace is going to none too happy to see how badly they’ve been had.

By @@

November 29, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Hollywooders love Chavez and Hollywooders love Hillary. Think about that one for a minute.

Any lightbulbs going on over your head yet?

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

RE,

It doesn’t have $600K debt unless it was purchased in 2006 which sort of makes your $300K in 2002 window dressing at best and obfuscation at worst.

I’ll defer to what seems to be your area of expertise for now, but I fully expect to see that the gloom and doom over this is just about as accurate as all the doom and gloom I’ve been hearing from liberals since the 1970s.

I’ll make a prediction though. The more the government gets involved in “fixing” this the longer and deeper the problem will be. The Great Depression could have been a blip if the government didn’t jump in to “fix” it too.

By RE

November 29, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

RW,

Are you expecting a great backlash from people driving more fuel efficient cars and having less dependence on fossil fuels?

I don’t see the anger there.

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE November 29, 2007 5:43 PM The fed will drop rates through the floor again but it will not help this time, not with 11 months inventory. It will just further devalue the dollar. Inflationary incomes will have to go up in order to catch up to home prices to stabilize the market nationwide, think about the mailman making 65k starting salary and teachers making 100k after 3 years. It will not really mean they make more money, just that the money they make has less value.}}}}

And then the Chinese will invade us, depose George Bush and them and the pinkos will live happily ever after.

Been reading Pat Buchanan again, RE?

The housing market is in what you can honestly call a correction and if this is a surprise to you, then you deserve to part with your money.

How many of you thought the 120,000 bungalow of yours would continue to value up at 25% a year and someday be worth 3 million and then you could prance around the Caribbean for the rest of your lives?

I never did.

I could have went on flipping just like everyone else until the last possible moment but I didn’t.

The people that are getting hurt the most right now are the ones that got too greedy.

Banks included.

Anyway, you will soon find out that foreign investment capital is not such a bad thing.

Plus it may make them stop wanting to bomb us so bad.

By ray

November 29, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

heard bin laden’s got a new movie out…heard bush and cheney are both mentioned in the credits…

By Buy Danish

November 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

RW/@@/Luckoduh,

Not to brag or anything :)

By getalife

November 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Y2K, Ice Age, Enron, Iraq, etc…

We have been “had” before RW.

I see an excellent investment opportunity.

@@,

Nope.

By RE

November 29, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

RW, not sure what you mean by gov’t involvement. I am sure you would be against the feds sending out 10k checks to individual homeowners, sort of the liberal nanny state rhetoric I have come to appreciate from you. (Just so you know, I think that is wrong as well) But what is currently happening is that major lenders are taking out loans from federally backed banks. Countrywide took out 51 billion this year in loans from the atlanta federal home lending bank… gov’t money. So when countrywide defaults and goes in bankruptcy in a few months, that debt does not get paid and goes back to taxpayers to bail it out.

By the way, the guy who has problems with this and is looking into investigations is Chuck Schumer. Oversite is a good thing.

By @@

November 29, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

I was just reading some of what Bin Laden had to say on his newest video.

He’s lost his fire and appears to be begging the Europeans to ease up in Afghanistan. Claims that HE is the only one responsible for 9/11 and innocents are dying.

I wonder why he doesn’t just turn himself in if HE’S the only one responsible. I mean what’s the problem? are his followers unable to function without him? I’d rather have Zawahiri than Bin Laden.

By getalife

November 29, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

BD whining on pj media is rich.

fixed noise still pimping rudy BD?

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I made a fortune on Y2K and I may just do it again on global warming if I can figure out how to only screw over the elitist idiots that are perpetrating this fraud.

RE,

If the government is loaning 51 billion dollars to a company that is certain to be bankrupt in a matter of months, why would I turn to government to “fix” the problem?

Buy Danish,

I only skimmed that, but was the comment from a different thread and they built the new post around it?

By RE

November 29, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Andy,

China is not going to invade, no reason to. However you will see US institutions get sold off piece by piece to foriegn investors such as china and middle eastern countries like Dubai and Qutar. Take a look at citibank.

I still can’t figure out what happens when foriegn countries stop buying US debt though. What happens when we can’t sell off 2 or 3 billion a day because these countries see the dollar sliding too fast and they lose money on thier investment. Certainly, paying for our debt by increasing taxes would be a horrible act of fiscal responsibility. No candidate would be elected with that idea. How about reducing military expenditures by not invading other countries and closing bases. Again, they must be pinko cowards.

Rough times ahead.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Nice going!

Be nice when AmVet asks for your autograph. Be sure to use his name so he can’t sell it on eBay.

Seriously - as I mentioned early on - can you imagine the response from the Dem operatives and liberal blogs if this tactic had happened in one of their debates?

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

My goodness, if “Hot” Michelle ever wrote “via Luckoduh,” I’d probably pass out.

By Buy Danish

November 29, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

I made a comment on another Hot Air thread. Actually I commented on this specific topic at 2 of their threads.

Here first, but I don’t think anyone saw it. (SOB!)

And later Here.

And yes, they made a post around it.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

By the way, when CNN rebroadcast the debate they edited out the gay General.

By @@

November 29, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

Go ahead and brag. You know how it infuriates some of the liberals here.

Honest to goodness, if the Democrats want to vote for a party indebted to such a conniving, incompetent and dumbass media then they deserve what they get…

A close shearing and then a slaughter.

It’s absolutely amazing that they could support such stupidity.

By Buy Danish

November 29, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

RW,

We just got our weekly “Golf Week and the whole freaking thing is about global warming and how golf courses are adapting.

I haven’t read it yet because I’ve been too busy :-)

Paul,

If you read what Media Matters had to say they are whining like babies because the Dems still haven’t received an apology from the CNN suit!

Update Here

So, yes, I can imagine that it would rain for 40 days and 40 nights thanks to the floods of tears that would rain down on us.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Maybe you can use your newly acquired clout over there and get them to let me use RW-(the original) instead of RW_theoriginal. :-)

Good job!

By getalife

November 29, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

@@,

You are whining like BD on hot air.

If OBL is whining too about killing the Taliban,

That is good news.

By Glenn

November 29, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Way to go, Mike Luckovich! When a man who was a fighter pilot and the son of a fighter pilot [were you one Mike?] becomes Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces like his fighter pilot dad and puts on a fighter pilot uniform to fly with the fighter pilots he commands, the uniform’s still just a “costume” to an old hippie like you.

Mr. Luckovich, you’re a disgrace to the “costume”.

By Luckoduh

November 29, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Damn, I found code words embedded in the Has Bin Laden tape:

{{{{‘The American tide is ebbing’}}}}

That’s a signal to Blinky Pelosi to cut off funding now!

Should we report this to the authorities?

By getalife

November 29, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Told ya, better bring a brain to the party when you are against the Clintons.

They win elections.

There will be sweet karma, so I suggest you respect the next Presidents.

The Clintons.

Bwa.

By Tiny Tim

November 29, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

There is no record of any orders to Bush, or any surviving performance evaluations, or any witnesses that ever saw him in a uniform during the vietnam war when he served in the guard. That is desertion in a time of war and the punishment is clearly stipulated in the code.

I dont be expectin’ that I’ll be respectin’ no man what donts live by the code.

The picture he took that the media has of him in the guard was taken on the day he was sworn in.. Then the rat deserted.

By @@

November 29, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

The Democrats have been whining on/about hot air for as long as I can recall.

Their hot air balloon is about to burst and I couldn’t be more pleased.

BTW, I was talking to my Mom yesterday — she’s a die-hard Democrat. Out of the blue she says to me….”I am terrified that Hillary may become our next president.”

“Vote Republican” I said. “I may have to.” she replied. It’ll be a first.

By Paul

November 29, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 6:56

“”I’d like to know, if the Democrats come into office, are my taxes going to rise like usually they do when a Democrat gets into office?”“

Are they seriously contending that if the Dem candidates were asked for a “yes/no” response to “are you going to raise taxes?” they’d say “no”?!!!!??

lotsalotsaLOLOL!

By Buy Danish

November 29, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

Great job with finding that embedded message from Bin Laden :)