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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2007 > November > 23 > Entry

Raining cartoonists

By Mike Luckovich | Friday, November 23, 2007, 07:47 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Mike Luckovich draws some cartoonists participating in “Cartooning for Peace” at Emory University. From upper left: U.S. freelancer Ann Telnaes, No-rio Yamanoi of Japan, Plantu of France, Baha Boukhari of Palestine, Ali Dilem of Algeria, Liza Donnelly of the U.S. and Michel Kichka of Israel. Other cartoonists, besides Luckovich, attending were Jeff Danziger of the U.S. and Piyale Madra of Turkey.

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By Luckoduh

November 26, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

cartoon boy: I dare you to link to the Condoleezza Rice cartoon that your fellow race haters drew.

It and you are beyond disgusting.

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{{{{“I think it’s going to come down to: Do you really want Bill Clinton back in the White House?” said Donna Brazile, who ran Democrat Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign.}}}}

So do I.

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Old salty dog:

{{{{“Is that the same Sen. Clinton that said she had to suspend disbelief in order to acknowledge to that the strategy of the surge was succeeding?” McCain said in reference to Clinton’s statement that the United States should stop trying to intervene in a “civil war” in Iraq. “Clearly, it’s succeeding. You would have to suspend disbelief to believe that it’s not.”}}}}

Taking on an easy target.

I like it.

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An honest to goodness Psychos of Sorrow headline in the Whiney Times:

{{{{Next door to gloom- A bank bought 21 properties in Chandler Woods Estates. Most are empty lots, just a few of the 140,000 in Atlanta. It’s scary for developers but more alarming for neighbors.- Urinal}}}}

It’s more like next door to stupidity.

Developers who didn’t heed the rising interest rates and slowdown in the housing market, and who are probably asking three times what the house is worth, deserve to part with their money.

Bargain hunting, anyone?

By @@

November 26, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

I’m surprised this one wasn’t titled “Reigning Cartoonists” ml.

You’ve had your fun now where’s some praise for the much-needed rain.

Humility ml…it’s good for the soul.

In addition to his own time, Merritt estimated that ——>he put an extra 60 miles on his car<—— trying to resolve the problem.

OUCH!

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

NBC News has learned that Trent Lott’s in the midst of informing close allies that he plans to resign his senate seat before the end of the year. It’s possible a formal announcement of his plans could take place as early as today.

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Ask Rockridge: Responding to Conservative Name-Calling

How can we respond to conservative attacks on our patriotism?

We were recently asked how to respond when confronted with the attack, “Aw you liberals just hate America.”

This is name-calling with a destructive (and false) frame. There are times when it is necessary to have a retort, not for its own sake, but to allow you to shift the frame and say a lot more on any one of many topics. The replacement frame should express progressive views while revealing key truths hidden by the original frame. Here is one strategy:

“Aw you liberals just hate America.”

No. We love democracy and we want to return it to America.

You want a presidential dictator.

We love liberty and we want to return it to America.

You want to tap our phones.

We love equality and we want to return it to America.

You think some people are better than others.

We love honesty and we want to return it to America.

You love lobbyists and corruption.

We love fairness and we want to return it to America.

You want to oppress the powerless.

We love openness and we want to return it to America.

You love secrecy and hiding the facts.

We love nature’s glory and we want to return it to America.

You love the profit that comes from destroying nature.

We love community and we want to return it to America.

You want everyone to fend for himself.

We love public education and we want to return it to America.

You want to destroy public education.

We love civilian control of the military and we want to return it to America.

You want to militarize America. And on and on…

George Lakoff The Rockridge Institute

By @@

November 26, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

ITN:

I was wondering if you saw the Iraq veteran on T.V. who had recently begun attending classes at Colorado University?

He was interviewed on campus. Said it was a new and awkward experience. A lot of anti-American, anti-war sentiment there.

When the students in his Foreign Relations class were asked how many of them were proud to be Americans only two students raised their hands — he was one of the two.

His reaction? It made him wonder why he had bothered…why any of our military bothers to protect and defend people who don’t take pride in his America.

Gave me the shivers.

By Shark Sammich

November 26, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

@@ gave us:

A lot of anti-American, anti-war sentiment there.

Oxymoronic. To be anti-war is to be pro-American. Sucks that you conservo-fascist 24-Percenters still don’t get it.

Gave me the shivers.

I imagine a whole lot of things, that you don’t understand, scare you something fierce. That’s why you vote Republican.

By 2D

November 26, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Dear IN THE NEWS…

When did the Federal government ever run as a democracy? The government of the United States is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, and so far as I can tell, voting rights for the representatives have increased not decreased. If you want to make democracy better, we need to strengthen the legislature and not allow the courts to make law.

How is liberty being curtailed? No one is prevented from living any kind of lifestyle or making any other life decisions they so choose. There is a difference between the government lending legitimacy and the government making something illegal.

Equality? If you want that then eliminate every single law that references minority quotas. If you want equality then ensure that every single person stands on the gifts and talents that God has given them rather than a socially engineered ideal because of guilt dating to acts that nearly every citizen in this country had nothing to do with.

Some people are better than others when referring to talents and God given gifts. Some people contribute more to society than others. That does not mean that every single life is not precious. Every homeless person, every CEO, every kid living throughout the country regardless of their race, color or economic status. All lives are precious. So, when you are willing to outlaw abortion, come talk to me.

Destroy public education? Hasn’t it already been destroyed? When the churches first implemented the idea of schooling for the general population, everything worked fine. As the government gained more and more control, public education went right down the into sewer. APS spends more per child than any public school system in the country and have the worst performance? APS students have corrupt government officials and a terrible set of parental untis guiding their students.

If you really want to make America better, and you really want to build community, stop ranting about all of the problems that Conservatives, Republicans or others create and look at fixing the building block of any society… The family. Societies built on marriage and family are the ones that become great. Why? Stability. That stability allows for the better rearing and education fo children. That is how you build a greawt society. The wonderful 60s and 70s blew that model out the door and now the following generations are left to pick up the pieces.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

This should be fun…

{{{We love liberty and we want to return it to America.

You want to tap our phones.}}}

Not unless you’re making calls to known terrorists in the middle east. I know it makes you feel important that the CIA might want to tap YOUR phones, but unless you’re planning an attack on the US, nobody gives a crap about your calls and NOBODY is listening to them. Bad news loser, you aren’t that important to the CIA and nobody asked for permission to listen to YOUR calls. Get over it!!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

This should be fun…

{{{We love liberty and we want to return it to America.

You want to tap our phones.}}}

Not unless you’re making calls to known terrorists in the middle east. I know it makes you feel important that the CIA might want to tap YOUR phones, but unless you’re planning an attack on the US, nobody gives a crap about your calls and NOBODY is listening to them. Bad news loser, you aren’t that important to the CIA and nobody asked for permission to listen to YOUR calls. Get over it!!

By Mike

November 26, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Ha ha. Mikey is mocking others’ faith. That’s funny stuff. Ha ha ha.

Why are liberals such bigots? And why do they feel so comfortable demonstrating their bigotry? I guess they think that most people are bigots like they are.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

{{{We love equality and we want to return it to America.

You think some people are better than others. }}}

Some people are better than others…at many things. I’m not very good at singing or art and can’t play an instrument, but I can build, design, and engineer things. However, there are some who are better at that than I am. And it has nothing to do with their race.

You’re belief that “equality” means all are equal in all respects is COMMUNISM. This is not a communist society and history has proven communism to be a detriment to ANY AND EVERY society it’s been tried in. Good luck changing history there liberal. You’ll either learn from it or repeat it, but you WON’T change it.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

{{{We love equality and we want to return it to America.

You think some people are better than others. }}}

Some people are better than others…at many things. I’m not very good at singing or art and can’t play an instrument, but I can build, design, and engineer things. However, there are some who are better at that than I am. And it has nothing to do with their race.

You’re belief that “equality” means all are equal in all respects is COMMUNISM. This is not a communist society and history has proven communism to be a detriment to ANY AND EVERY society it’s been tried in. Good luck changing history there liberal. You’ll either learn from it or repeat it, but you WON’T change it.

By Objective Observer

November 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

@@ sounds a lot like this deranged leader…..

//Chavez told supporters on Friday night that anyone voting against his reforms would be “a true traitor,” //

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela sounds exactly like our own very @@. @@ must be very flattered that someone as important as Chavez reads her posts, and steals her tactics.

When you are wrong just pull out the traitor routine. When you have nothing pull out the traitor routine.

By @@

November 26, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Shark Sammich “SS” for short:

Scared?…not scared.

The shivers I felt were the result of humility.

“Nothing sets a person so much out of the devil’s reach as humility…”

The other students in that classroom placed themselves and their opinions ABOVE the soldier’s service without sacrificing anything and yet he remained calm and disciplined in his response. He was disappointed but not outraged like so many from the anti-war, anti-America crowd.

I can admire and appreciate the veteran student. The others? I can muster up a little pity for them.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Well,

it looks like Luckovich has his cartoonists all hanging (raining?) like puppets. “Cartoonist for Peace”!! He should have completed his title…..”CARTOONISTS FOR PEACE BY SURRENDER”. Give up NOW!! That’s this crowd.

The sign in the cartoon says”Atlanta Prayer Vigil” which sounds very noble but is a sarcastic take off on praying for rain.

But where are the white flags for the cartoonists? And where is Lucko’s cartoon of an American soldier being roasted? Or where are his ugly sketches suggesting Americans torture others? And where are his frequent drawings of our Commander-in-Chief looking like a big eared monkey? That is Luckovich’s idea of CARTOONISTS FOR PEACE aka Cartoonist for the Aid of Our Enemies. There is nothing honest or praiseworthy with this crowd of runaway liberals.

@@ was absolutely correct in her quotations from a veteran who observed this kind of anti-patriotism for our country. He wondered “why any of our military bothers to protect and defend people who don’t take pride in his America.”

Most of us also wonder about this anti-Americanism. @@ has it right. This sickness and virulence should make us all “shiver”.

By @@

November 26, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Ooooo Ooooo @ 9:33:

(((When you are wrong just pull out the traitor routine. When you have nothing pull out the traitor routine.)))

Where did I mention the word traitor? The classroom veteran didn’t even use the word traitor.

It appears as though you may be experiencing feelings of guilt. That’s a good start on your road to recovery.

By Midori

November 26, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

another one bites the dust — ole “helmet head” trent lott resigning.

i guess he wants to spend more time with his chicken hawks……

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Former top commander in Iraq calls for withdrawal.

By Joe Tech

November 26, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

To 2D at 9:06- I agree with your last paragraph that instead of complaining and ranting, we should be developing solutions to all problems we face. That would require communication with all, something the repubs are afraid of. They base their info on what they believe, or make up to fit their mindset, instead of facts. What if they actually included other points of view and statistics in their formulation of solutions for all?

Oh By the way, does the family and marriage include gay marriage…they exist you know.

As for Mike and his remark about liberals being bigots, that the pot calling the kettle black! Yes some are “bigotted” against lying, graft, fearmongering etc. the hallmark of the Bush administration.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

ITN @ 8:24, I saw where “old school” and Strom Thurmond devotee, Trent Lott is also abandoning the floundering neo-con ship.

Let me guess it was to “spend more time with his family” or to add to his lucre on the moronic but fruitful “conservative” speaking circuit.

The poor misunderstood quasi-white-separatist Trent lost his throne back in 2002, but the “remote diagnosis specialist”, Dr. Frist, was certainly a step down, no? And then the GOP gave the country, Mitch “who?” McConnell, chickenhawk extraordinaire.

They went down, down, down and the flames went higher, and it burns, burns, burns, the GOP on fire, the GOP on fire…

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

{{{We love openness and we want to return it to America.

You love secrecy and hiding the facts.}}}

So, Hillary will be opening the files from her years in the WH??? Not likely.

Isn’t it amazing how liberals constantly claim R’s are hiding things and won’t come clean with facts, but when you present them facts, they ignore them because they don’t support their agendas. Valerie Plame is a good example that comes to mind….

By Prophetess Kelley P

November 26, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Folks, I’m sorry. This is what happens when exuberance gets in the way of doing whats right.

Georgia was expecting 18 holiday traffic deaths during the Thanksgiving weekend. We ended up with 26. They blamed the higher number of fatalities on the rain. For that I am very sorry.

With this incredible “Pray For Rain” power that we have comes enormous responsibility. We failed you.

Next year we will have a “Pray for Rain”/”Pray for Safe Travel Combo vigil. That way if our two worlds collide again we can a least save a few traffic deaths.

Although a “Pray for No Rain Holiday”/”Safe Travel” prayer fest may work best for all. Ideas?

Oh well, Sonny didn’t think of all the consequences and in the end people lost their lives. Our God sure is confusing at times.

PATIENCE

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

{{{We love openness and we want to return it to America.

You love secrecy and hiding the facts.}}}

So, Hillary will be opening the files from her years in the WH??? Not likely.

Isn’t it amazing how liberals constantly claim R’s are hiding things and won’t come clean with facts, but when you present them facts, they ignore them because they don’t support their agendas. Valerie Plame is a good example that comes to mind….

By FRANKLEEDARLING

November 26, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Ha,guess I’m better than you RB i can sing ,play an instrument, do art,plan, design,and build things all well enough to make a living from. HA monotasking repugs

The whole pray for rain thing makes me want to vomit Sonny should pray for brains for all his supporters

By mm

November 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

I see the Loserville wingnuts are still drinking their Koolaid.

As I stated a couple of months ago, we’ll see an average of 1 wingnut quitting congress every month or 2. They see the writing on the wall. It’s no fun being in the minority, huh?

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

{{{While the exactly reason Lott is stepping down before he finishes his term is unknown, the general speculation is that a quick departure immunizes Lott against tougher restrictions in a new lobbying law that takes effect at the end of the year. That law would require Senators to wait two-years before entering the lucrative world of lobbying Congress.}}}}

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Prophetess, your sagacity and acute observations are not lost on some of us here. But I had a bad feeling when the Rain Man’s recent Prayer-a-thon noticeably lacked dancing native Americans.

That was just irresponsible.

There are no easy solutions, as you suggest, but perhaps the kids from Woodstock with their “No rain” chant could show up next time and then just maybe the rain gods would dispense with the precipitation more judiciously.

Just a thought…

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Brokaw: Iraq can handle its own destiny

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

I told you people months ago that the Republicans would start eating their own! But did Fux News listen? Noooooooo!

Bunch of Thompson bashers.

Republican Fred Thompson accused Fox News of bias on Sunday, saying the network skews things against him while claiming his presidential campaign is in trouble.

“This has been a constant mantra of Fox, to tell you the truth,” Thompson told Chris Wallace on “Fox New Sunday” after Wallace played clips of Fox commentators saying his campaign had been a disappointment.

“It’s a lot of the same kind of stuff that I heard when I first ran for office, when I was 20 points down. And fortunately, I wound up 20 points ahead on election night,” Thompson said, according to The Politico.

“From Day One, they said I got in too late, I couldn’t do it … wouldn’t raise enough money, and that sort of thing. And that’s their opinion. They’re entitled to their opinion. But that doesn’t seem to be shared by the cross section of American people. If you look at the national polls, you’ll see that I’m running second and have been running second for a long time. …

“For you to highlight nothing but the negative in terms of these polls, and then put on your own guys, who have been predicting for four months, really, that I couldn’t do it, you know, kind of skews things a little bit.”

By The Decider

November 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

From RB:

“Isn’t it amazing how liberals constantly claim R’s are hiding things and won’t come clean with facts, but when you present them facts, they ignore them because they don’t support their agendas. Valerie Plame is a good example that comes to mind….”

Yep kinda like W opened up his military records, or his DUI convictions. Or Cheneys energy forum where they wont release who attented, or release who visited Cheney at the VP residence. Yep those Republicans sure are leading the way in disclosing records…….NOT

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

{{{{Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, to all of you Republicans who have decided to call it quits. You’ve done enough damage already.}}}

In the Senate:

Trent Lott (MS)

Wayne Allard, CO

Larry Craig, ID (maybe)

Pete Domenici, NM

Chuck Hagel, NE

John Warner, VA

In the House:

Barbara Cubin, WY

Terry Everett, AL

Mike Ferguson, NJ

Dennis Hastert, IL

Dave Hobson, OH

Duncan Hunter, CA

Ray Lahood, IL

Steve Pearce, NM

Chip Pickering, MS

Deborah Pryce, OH

Jim Ramstad, MN

Ralph Regula, OH

Rick Renzi, AZ

Jim Saxton, NJ

Tom Tancredo, CO

Jerry Weller, IL

Heather Wilson, NM

I also give thanks, in advance for the dozen or more Republicans still waiting to announce their inevitable retirements. Good riddance to all of them, too.}}}}

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Thompson’s campaign does need some fresh ideas to infuse more momentum though.

Is his staff getting lazy?

How bout this?

I’m not a Real Lawyer, But I Did Play One on TV.

Wait, wait, wait! That’s not right!

Here.

I was a TV Lawyer, But I Do Know the Law. Honest!

No. Still no good.

What about?

Hey, Reagan was an actor and look at what He did to the country?

Needs work…

By Auntie Kepila

November 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Oh man, IN THE NEWS, what a rum crew to be taking the longboat and shoving off from the ship of state!

What a rogue’s gallery!

Especially the Senators. Failed legislators, all of them. And they don’t even know it.

P iss on ‘em.

Aloha

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

ITN, I’ll buy into those first five, but I’m not so sure Rudy ever visited Charles Manson…

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

If you make a comment on an article posted at SFGate, and if the site moderators then subsequently delete your comment for whatever reason, it will only appear as deleted to the other readers. HOWEVER, your comment will NOT appear to be deleted if viewed from your own computer! The Chronicle’s goal is to trick deleted commenters into not knowing their comments were in fact deleted. I’ll give evidence below showing how they do this.

{{{{{Why would SFGate do such a thing? Because ever since public input was first allowed at SFGate, many commenters who had their comments deleted would come back onto the comment thread and point out that they had been silenced for ideological reasons — i.e. they weren’t sufficiently “progressive” — or because they had pointed out ethical lapses at SFGate and the Chronicle. Or any number of other reasons that the Chronicle did not want known. So, to pacify these problematic commenters, the SFGate moderators came up with a very clever and underhanded coding trick to prevent deleted commenters from ever finding out that they had been silenced.}}}}}

Think Progress is doing the same thing. I bet the AJC wishes they would have figured this one out before it got exposed.

By momcat

November 26, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

By RB from Gwinnett November 26, 2007 10:09 AM Isn’t it amazing how liberals constantly claim R’s are hiding things and won’t come clean with facts, but when you present them facts, they ignore them because they don’t support their agendas. Valerie Plame is a good example that comes to

Oh yea, I seem to remember those FACTS(?) presented regarding WMD’s. It seems I remember the Dems, (and a few sane Repugs), and most of the American people fell for this crock. Please don’t go into a tirade about everyone having intelligence information. We all know what happened. Bottom line: Where are the WMD’s?

By Luckoduh

November 26, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

{{{{By DHIMMI THE NEWS November 26, 2007 9:59 AM Former top commander in Iraq calls for withdrawal.}}}}

From Dhimmi’s link:

{{{{Sanchez, who has been criticized over his handling of the Abu Ghraib scandal}}}}

Victor Davis Hanson addressing this type of cowardice, which excites the little Code Pinko perverts so much:

{{{{In all these cases, there is dismal pattern: a mediocre functionary keeps quiet about the mess around him, muddles through, senses that things aren’t going right, finds himself on the losing end of political infighting, is forced out or quits, seethes that his genius wasn’t recognized, takes no responsibility for his own failures, worries he might be scape-goated, and at last senses that either a New York publisher or the anti-war Left, or both, will be willing to offer him cash or notoriety — but only if he serves their needs by trashing his former colleagues in a manner he never would while on the job.}}}}

{{{{Note that none offered to resign as a matter of principle when they were not yet in a precarious position; all post facto found some sort of profit in timing the proper occasion to level the “J’ accuse!”}}}}

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

By The Decider 10:44 AM So what is it about Bush’s 1976 DUI you feel like you need to know and exactly how is that relevant to ANYTHING. Bush never claimed it didn’t happen. Bush didn’t run for office saying “vote for me because I have experience from my DUI 24 years ago”, now did he? Shrillary is claiming her time in the WH qualifies her to be president, but she won’t release any of the details of that time. Don’t you find that a bit odd??

BTW, I never claimed the R’s were any different at the secrecy issue than the D’s. I simply pointed out thats a 2 way street which you are apparenlty either unable or unwilling to see.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

@@ 9:48

Don’t pay any attention to Objective Observer @ 9:33 about traitors. He threw the exact same line at me over at Wooten’s last week. It seems to touch a sore spot with him. He loves to quote Chavez.

But the last time I read “traitor” here was when liberal Bosch called the President of the United States “a traitor”. Of course, Ob Oj does not remember anything out of line as written by liberals.

And speaking of liberals, our Dem led Congress with lowest ratings in history are losing many Republicans. No wonder.

Dems have made it a sinking ship. The only chance for a sensible Congress would be to “sink” Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Boxer, Durban, Schumer and others. Few Republicans want to be associated with the shady company in Congress.

You can list every Republican in our loser Congress but they are not running the show.

Poor ol’ libs. Can’t run Congress! Impossible to run the country because Americans don’t want to run from our enemies. Dems never learn.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

So Democrats are in the pockets of big business AND bragging about it.

Thanks, ITFS!

By Gary

November 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

And the beat goes on. Stoned on his own mighty delusions, Bush still talks of installing a functioning democracy in a country long torn apart by civil war and long aflame with anchient religious differences, hatreds, and grievances. Bush started an entirely predictable and totally unwinnable “war” against a nation that had absolutely no role in the heinous acts of 9/11. This misbegotten, misrepresented, mismanaged invasion is/was one of the most arrogant, ignorant, costly blunders in the entire history of the U.S. It has empowered our global enemies beyond their wildest hopes and dreams.

Bush was never a bright individual, his entire background reveals that. Failed at everything he ever touched, including 5 stints with 5 different companies owned by Daddy Bush. A demonstrated serious alcoholic since his teenaged years but adds to his weak, confused mind. A year and a half from now this embarrassment will be cruising in his simple-minded manner on his riding mower in Crawford, while a new president struggles to extract the country from his wretched, insane, disastrous, unsolvable nightmare. No matter the buckets of blood which adorn his heart, soul, and limited mental powers. And there are those who are proud of having voted for him.

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

November 26, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

ITN, your 11:31 provided us with a great link on Conservative homosexuality.

Conservative homosexuality is mostly caused by environment, they list a ton of evidence. I think television and Football are are very big contributors to conservative homosexuality.

Last night for example you had Tom Brady exposing himself on national television. Those tight pants he wears are pornographic! I was trying to concentrate on the game but my attention was diverted to Tom Brady because his pants are so damn tight, your eyes can’t help from being overwhelmed by the sight. Disgusting.

There are little boys watching. The rough and tumble part of football helps keep the kids straight, but the partial nudity we have to endure while watching football forces us to shower with them like James Dobson says. The showers counterattack the urges brought on by the pants. It shows off manliness for the sake of the boy.

At least lasts nights game was on cable. I plan on banning football from the Public Airwaves. Porno belongs on cable.

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Iraq to Seek Long-Term US Presence

By getalife

November 26, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Anybody find the new political strategy in Iraq?

Mmmm, I wonder if there is one?

Leave the mess for the Clintons to fix again but when they spew government is not the solution, what did you expect would happen.

Geez.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Gary@11:50

Poor Gary. So soaked in liberal propaganda, he basks in the joy of his brainwashed mentality.

And it is all Bush’s fault! According to Gary, there was no terrorism to be fought, no imperfect country should aspire to freedom, and Bush is dumb as a box of rocks. Oh yeah!

Teorrorism had been infecting the world long before Bush came into the WhiteHouse. Bush decided to fight it. Dems still quiver at the thought of fighting.

Gary can’t imagine any country aspiring to freedom. He can’t even remember that we had our own Revolution to get freedom. Bush can realize that all people want freedom.

So Bush is dumb?? They didn’t think so at Harvard or Yale. In fact, Bush has more education than anyone he has ever run against. But libs continue to display their own ignorance.

Just read Gary’s washout. See what I mean?

By The Decider

November 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

RB:

That is what you are claiming now because i caught you in a lie, your post says

“Isn’t it amazing how liberals constantly claim R’s are hiding things and won’t come clean with facts”

And i just gave you 4 instances when they didnt come clean, i notice you had nothing to say about Cheneys secret energy forum and only want to discuss W’s Dui, obviously you have no debate for the other 3….

By Glenn

November 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS @ 10:49,

That chestnut about Rudy’s 9/11 monomania is just that, a chestnut. It’s outworn, like the schtick early in the 1980 election season on Reagan’s age.

At some point those who use it are drunk on their own wine, the better for Rudy to win.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

{{{{{The BBC’s correspondent Amber Henshaw said Ms Gibbons’ punishment could be up to six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine.}}}}}

{{{{{The school has been closed until January for fear of reprisals.}}}}}

{{{{{Fellow teachers at Khartoum’s Unity High School told Reuters news agency they feared for Ms Gibbons’ safety after receiving reports that men had started gathering outside the police station where she was being held.}}}}}

{{{{{The school’s director, Robert Boulos, said: “This is a very sensitive issue. We are very worried about her safety.}}}}}

{{{{{“This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam.}}}}}

So what did this evil school teacher do to insult the peaceful, tolerant religion of Islam?

A British schoolteacher has been arrested in Sudan accused of insulting Islam’s Prophet, after she allowed her pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.

By getalife

November 26, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Well, the new political strategy is to stay forever.

More Iraqi welfare and malarki is staying for Iran.

Geez.

By W stands for Worst

November 26, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

RW-

Interesting take on the Dems giving money to the Filipinos, so what do you think about the same bill that was introduced in 97 but by a Republican?:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h105-836

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

By momcat 11:03 AM

And here’s a perfect example. This idiot thinks Bush had access to intelligence reports that Dems didn’t have and they were only voting to authorize war because Bush said he had the data. The part of the story dimwit leaves out is that Bill Clinton said the EXACT same thing about Saddam’s WMD for 3 years prior to Bush taking office while looking at the same intelligence sources Bush had, but apparently, only Bush misled Dems. Admitting Clinton said the same thing from the same intelligence sources doesn’t fit your agenda, does it? You’ve proven my point exactly, momcat, thanks for providing yet another perfect example. Don’t let the fact get in the way of your opinions, though, you’ll drive yourself crazy with the conflict.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Decider 12:17

You forgot a few facts to mention about Bush in your search for something (anything) to try and blindly incriminate Bush.

IMPORTANT!! Bush threw a spitball at a girl in the third grade. Shows his discrimination against females.

IMPORTANT!! Bush played “cowboy & Indians” in the fourth grade. He always played “cowboy”. This shows his bigotry.

ALMOST IMPORTANT!! Bush wore a baseball cap backwards in the fifth grade. This shows that he hates sports.

I’m just helping you with your digging, Decider.

By Typical Liberal

November 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

I am smart and tolerant. That’s why I call anyone who disagrees with me names because I know that I am right and anyone who disagrees with me must be bad or stupid.

So how “progressive” I am?

By getalife

November 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

RW,

They will cut many programs for Iraqi welfare and more billions for their buddies.

Our government is broken remember?

Geez.

By B.P.O.E.

November 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

My neighbor Frank finally did it. He was the last one from my Cobb County neighborhood to do it.

He says his family is safer now. The stares are gone. No one is flipping him off anymore.

Frank said his little boy, with sad big eyes said to him “Daddy, do you bewieve in Pwesidet Bush?”

“Thats when I realized, I no longer believe in the lies and the myths of our dumb stupid leader. Frank then went out and ripped his “W” bumper sticker off his car, he was free from the mockery. No more would he suffer the indignation.

Frank then went into his house and told his son Joshua that there is no Santa. The boy cried, just like Frank had earlier that day. Another myth shattered. Another America hater (Frank) born today. Another loss for the “War on Christmas”. Sad.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

By The Decider 12:17 PM

What lie do you think you caught me in?

By Luckoduh

November 26, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Common Code Pinko: “The Iraqi government isn’t doing anything, waaaaaaa!”

{{{{As part of the package, the Iraqis want an end to the current U.N.-mandated multinational forces mission, and also an end to all U.N.-ordered restrictions on Iraq’s sovereignty.}}}}

{{{{Iraq has been living under some form of U.N. restriction since the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, the officials said.}}}}

Common Code Pinko: “Uh, Mark Foley is a fweaking qwueer! I hate qwueers!”

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

By W stands for Worst,

I don’t see in your link where American Veterans benefits were cut to allow the Filipino benefits. Perhaps you could find that and report back.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

By The Decider 12:17 PM

What lie do you think you caught me in?

By mm

November 26, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 11:43

(((And speaking of liberals, our Dem led Congress with lowest ratings in history are losing many Republicans. No wonder.)))

(((Few Republicans want to be associated with the shady company in Congress.)))

(((You can list every Republican in our loser Congress but they are not running the show.)))

Every time you post you show what an idiot you are.

RB at 11:03,

Say what you want about Clinton but he did not start an incompetent war that killed 4000 American troops. He let the GOP screw the pooch.

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

The lie you are caught in, sir, is the lie that you are not a dirty liar. That’s the lie. It’s a lie to lie about being a liar, and if there’s one thing americans lie about, it’s lieing, liar.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{{“I think the fact of the matter is that Sen. Clinton is claiming basically the entire eight years of the Clinton presidency as her own, except for the stuff that didn’t work out, in which case she says she has nothing to do with it,” Obama said, and added, referring to his relationship with his wife, Michelle, “There is no doubt that Bill Clinton had faith in her and consulted with her on issues, in the same way that I would consult with Michelle, if there were issues,” Obama said. “On the other had, I don’t think Michelle would claim that she is the best qualified person to be a United States Senator by virtue of me talking to her on occasion about the work I’ve done.”}}}}}

Ouch!

Talk about nuking your opponent, her “husband” and your own wife at the same time, while holding yourself out as some kind of messiah.

Geez

By Anonymous

November 26, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

from @@: “You’ve had your fun now where’s some praise for the much-needed rain. Humility ml…it’s good for the soul.”

Praise to whom, exactly? And how does “humility” tie into it?

Surely you’re not suggesting that the governor’s prayer service had anything to do with our rainy weekend—come on, I know Georgia’s ranked low in education, but NOBODY can be that dumb!

By momcat

November 26, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

RB at 11:03, Say what you want about Clinton but he did not start an incompetent war that killed 4000 American troops. He let the GOP screw the pooch.

This is correct. An incompetent war is what we got from this incompetent administration. You can twist, squirm and name call (RB), but we attacked a country that was not responsible for 9-11. If Iraq had been responsible for 9-11, I doubt you’d find very few that wouldn’t be 100% supportative. We’ve created a monster now, and there is no easy way out. This is a problem that will not be easily resolved, by democrat or republican.

By Jeff

November 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Dusthead. Don’t try to compete. You just look more stupid. you’re waaay out of your league. Stay in your proper place, on the inferior side of the tracks. You know nothing, therefore have nothing to say. Don’t you ever work? Must you continue endlessly to suck off of the rest of us? Typical neocon.

By W stands for Worst

November 26, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

RW:

I dont see in the bill you are talking about saying they are cutting benefits from veterans either. I only see that in the GOP leaning website you reported this from..

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

mm@1:04

Are you running for Congress? You could help the libs there hit bottom in public opinion.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

By mm 1:04 PM

{{{Say what you want about Clinton but he did not start an incompetent war that killed 4000 American troops.}}}

Here’s some homework for you, mm. How many Americans were killed in the first WTC bombing, the embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, the marine barraks in Lebanon, the Khobar Towers, and on 9/11? Second question… How many Americans need to die before you’re willing to stand up and do something about it?

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Clinton blew a big chance to make a real difference when he chose to destroy his presidency and the institution of the presidency itself. Nobody respects the office anymore. Nixon, Ford, Bush, Clinton, Bush. All degraded the office with nincompoopery, and I think it’s a damn shame.

That’s why we cant get any good people in the race for the white house. Americans, indeed the whole world, speet on the presidency, thanx to the four F’s.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Speaking of weather.

{{{{{Two years ago, way under. Last year, way over. This year, still not right.}}}}}

{{{{{It’s been a stormy few years for William Gray, Philip Klotzbach and other ———>scientists<——— who predict total hurricane activity before each season begins, which raises fundamental questions as the 2007 season draws to an end on Friday:}}}}}

{{{{{Why do they bother? And given the errors — which can undermine faith in the entire hurricane warning system — are these full-season forecasts doing more harm than good?}}}}}

But you trust them to predict catastrophic global warming over the next century.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

By mm 1:04 PM

{{{Say what you want about Clinton but he did not start an incompetent war that killed 4000 American troops.}}}

Here’s some homework for you, mm. How many Americans were killed in the first WTC bombing, the embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, the marine barraks in Lebanon, the Khobar Towers, and on 9/11? Second question… How many Americans need to die before you’re willing to stand up and do something about it?

By momcat

November 26, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

By momcat November 26, 2007 1:17 PM

Correction. In the comment above, I intended to reference mm’s post at 1:04PM, regarding RB’s comments. My apologies.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Did anybody notice that mm and momcat use the exact same words such as “Clinton did not start an incompetent war that killed 4000 American troops.”?

Listen, little one, if you want to post liberal list items under many different IDS, please change the wording a tiny bit. Keeps us from getting bored.

You, too, Jeff. Pointless prattle is perpetually boring. Try somethng else for a change.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

ITN, thanks for the link to Conservapedia. I had never heard of it before.

And what a hoot!

But why one asks, do far right wing nut jobs and religionists need ANY supposed reference material? It is my experience that they just make this sh!t up as they go along!

In part due to a large number of obvious inaccuracies, the arrival of Conservapedia has been met with derision by much of the wider internet community.

So this stuff has more holes in it than swiss cheese! But look no further than it’s pundits to understand why.

{Conservapedia presents the theory of evolution as lacking support. It states that creationists, creation scientists and some secular science journals state that it is in conflict with the majority of evidence whereas other reference sites present evolution as a biological process defined by observable, empirical, and measurable evidence, subject to specific principles of reasoning.}

{Conservapedia’s controversial views of science are not limited to the topic of biological evolution and relativity. Widely disseminated examples of Conservapedia articles that contradict the scientific consensus include the claims that all kangaroos descend from a single pair that were taken aboard Noah’s Ark. Schlafly defended the article as presenting a valid alternative to evolution.}

Kangaroos, two by two?

{Another claim is that “Einstein’s work had nothing to do with the development of the atomic bomb.” An entry on the “Pacific Northwest Arboreal Octopus” has received particular attention, a page which Schlafly has asserted was intended as a parody of environmentalism. As of March 4, 2007, the entry has been deleted.}

By Reality Check

November 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Gallup Poll Nov. 2-4, 2007, poll finds 54% of Americans saying they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, while 37% have an unfavorable opinion. Ratings of the Republican Party are much more negative, with 40% favorable and 50% unfavorable.

(Poor,poor Dusty. LMAO at RB.)

By mm

November 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

RB,

I was (and still am) behind the invasion of Afghanistan because that’s where Bin Laden was. We should also be kicking some Pakistan @ss because that’s where he is now.

I was also behind the invasion of Iraq. However, when I found out I was lied to by the cocaine cowboy so that he could atone for the assasination attempt on daddy Bush, I no longer supported the war. I support the troops, but not the war.

Why can’t you idiots grasp that thought? Is it because you don’t want to admit your hero lied to you?

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Dusty: Dont be so casual about casualties, unless you can show causality, cad.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Wait just a cotton pickin minute there Reality Check!

Are we to assume that those number you cited have ANYTHING to do with the GOP blood bath last November?

And are you trying to insinuate that they are in ANY way connected to the President’s horrific approval rating?

I don’t know if I’m willing to make that leap of faith just yet.

There MUST be another explanation…

By Mental Midget

November 26, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

The left has been lying to the American public since the early 90’s, yet you chose to ignore that fact and claim that it is only Bush that has lied.

You are one POS!

By Ditzy

November 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Did anybody notice that RW and RB use the exact same words?

And then RB fakes the double post so he thinks we don’t notice.

Imagine Dusty beefing about mindless prattle.

Her picture is right next to the mindless prattle entry in the dictionary.

By IN THE NEWS

November 26, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Thanksgiving with the Prize Turkeys

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Those damned scientists! They all need to go sit on their liberal bunson burners.

When in the recorded history of mankind are they EVER going to get ANYTHING right?!!!!

All these studies and computer models that supposedly are in an attempt to find out the scientific truth, are a sheer waste of time and money.

We all know it is just a ploy to bankrupt the American economy!

I say we just stick our collective earth-at-the-center-of-the-universe heads in the oil-rich sand and pretend there is no problem.

Or in the infinitesimal chance that there is, just hope it goes away on it’s own…

By momcat

November 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

By Dusty November 26, 2007 1:35 PM Did anybody notice that mm and momcat use the exact same …..

We don’t wish to confuse anyone now. Please see mine at 1:33PM. She “mm;” I “momcat.”

meow.

By Dee De Deeee

November 26, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

When Bush took office

1.46……………….10,587

Now

3.09……………….12,950

HELP!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

By momcat 1:17 PM

You are correct, momcat, Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. And it’s also true Afganistan and the Sudan didn’t bomb our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, but we bombed them as a result, didn’t we?

What is also true is that a Saddam led Iraq invaded Kuwait, not the US. Why did we attack Iraq when we were not threatened? Iraq didn’t attack us did they?

Do you believe Saddam would have stopped with Kuwait if we hadn’t gotten involved? Or would he have moved into other neighboring countries? The man was evil, mm. He agreed to a laundry list of conditions following the whipping we gave him in 1991 and instead of living up to them, he thumbed his nose at a weak US president and a worthless UN with no teeth.

This whole issue is much deeper than who attacked us on 9/11, mm. If you’re honest with yourself, you realize that, but I suspect you won’t admit that because it doesn’t fit your agenda.

Personally, I’m glad Saddam’s dead and the people of Iraq have a chance to live free from his terror. Will they choose to embrace it, I don’t know. Only time will tell, but at least the world is rid of 1 very evil man.

By The Decider

November 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

RB:

Your not very bright are you? Your lie was that you were stating that Republicans dont lie and hide, when i gave your 4 instances that they did. Get with the program all politicians lie, for you to believe one party out lies the other is laughable. And the fact that you defend this administration and their cowardly acts is even funnier.. Tell me, what do you think about Cheneys secret energy meeting? Worked out real well for the country. Where is your outrage for his office not disclosing the participants and what was discussed?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Hmmm…If I make a reference to one of Blowhard’s comments, or God forbid ask a question about it, he squeals like a stuck pig. You can cut the hypocrisy with a knife at 1:54.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If somebody was following my posts and listening to Rush today you would swear I was programming his show.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

You know the more I think about it, if I called myself a conservative, I would be outraged by this website’s name of conservapedia.

I know these righties are BIG time into inane slogans and some certifiably irrational thinking, but shouldn’t they call it religapedia, moronapedia or madeupapedia instead?

No wonder the “C” moniker is such schtick…

By Hey

November 26, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Who was that idiot bragging about the Bush Stock market a couple of weeks ago??

Wasn’t that you RB? Idiot.

LMAO!

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Tsk, tsk. Porcine haters…

Damnedable religious blokes! They’ll burn for this!

LONDON — Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, criticized the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in an interview published Sunday, saying it was worse than the British land grabs of the colonial era.

The spiritual leader of the Church of England and the Anglican Communion described the situation in Iraq as the “the worst of all worlds,” and compared it to the time when Britain was at the height of its imperial power.

“It is one thing to take over a territory and even pour energy and resources into administrating it and normalizing it,” said Williams. “Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did _ in India for example.”

“It’s another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put back together Iraq, for example,”.

“We have only one global hegemonic power at the moment,” Williams said. “It is not accumulating territory; it is trying to accumulate influence and control. That’s not working.”

A long-standing critic of the Iraq war, Williams has said the U.S. lost the widespread moral support it enjoyed worldwide in the wake of the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001.

Last year, around Christmas, Williams wrote a scathing commentary in The London Times saying the U.S.-led coalition’s “shortsightedness and ignorance” in Iraq endangered the lives of Christians across the Middle East.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

By The Decider 2:03 PM | Link to this

{{{RB:

Your not very bright are you? Your lie was that you were stating that Republicans dont lie and hide, when i gave your 4 instances that they did. }}}

OK, einstein, please share with us all where I said R’s don’t lie and hide. Please be specific. As a side note, that wasn’t even the subject of my post, but since you made the claim…

I really don’t care who, what, or where on the Cheney energy meeting. I don’t feel the need to know everything Bush/Cheney/Pelosi/et all do on a daily basis like you do. In fact, I expect them to have meetings I’m not told about. Same with my boss at work. I don’t care about Bush’s DUI from 1976 either. What he ate for breakfast while serving in the ANG doesn’t mean anything to me either.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Hey Hey!

Get is straight fella!

When the market goes up, it’s because of the “conservatives”.

When it goes down, it’s because of the non “conservatives”!

Simple.

And when in doubt, just spout meaningless phrases like “let the market decide” or “trickle down”!

By Midori

November 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

“Americans’ Economic Pessimism Reaches Record High.” That’s the headline on a recent Gallup report, which shows a nation deeply unhappy with the state of the economy. Right now, “27% of Americans rate current economic conditions as either ‘excellent’ or ‘good,’ while 44% say they are ‘only fair’ and 28% say they are poor.” Moreover, “an extraordinary 78% of Americans now say the economy is getting worse, while a scant 13% say it is getting better.”

What’s really remarkable about this dismal outlook is that the economy isn’t (yet?) in recession, and consumers haven’t yet felt the full effects of $98 oil (wait until they see this winter’s heating bills) or the plunging dollar, which will raise the prices of imported goods.

The response of those who support the Bush administration’s economic policies is to complain about the unfairness of it all. They rattle off statistics that supposedly show how wonderful the economy really is. Many of these statistics are misleading or irrelevant, but it’s true that the official unemployment rate is fairly low by historical standards. So why are people so unhappy?

The answer from Bush supporters - who are, on this and other matters, a strikingly whiny bunch - is to blame the “liberal media” for failing to report the good news. But the real explanation for the public’s pessimism is that whatever good economic news there is hasn’t translated into gains for most working Americans.

One way to drive this point home is to compare the situation for workers today with that in the late 1990s, when the country’s economic optimism was almost as remarkable as its pessimism today. For example, in the fall of 1998 almost two-thirds of Americans thought the economy was excellent or good.

The unemployment rate in 1998 was only slightly lower than the unemployment rate today. But for working Americans, everything else was different. Wages were rising, yet inflation was low, so the purchasing power of workers’ take-home pay was steadily improving. So, too, were job benefits, including the availability of health insurance. And homeownership was rising steadily.

It was, in other words, a time when Americans felt they were sharing in the country’s prosperity.

It was, in other words, a time when Americans felt they were sharing in the country’s prosperity.

By The Decider

November 26, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

RB:

Ok since you have cleared all that up, what was the purpose of your first post then?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

So, did you hear the United States was recently ranked by an independent, international economic think-tank as number one in global competitiveness?

{{{{{You didn’t?}}}}}

{{{{{Well, how could you, for according to LexisNexis, not one major American press outlet aside from Investor’s Business Daily thought the announcement was important enough to share with the citizenry}}}}}

By Scott

November 26, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

You are absolutely correct, Gary. Beyond that, it is well established that Bush was a heavy drinker even in high school. Dozens of available books with detils by his classmates attest to that fact of life. Tough-talking and walking, but fearful of anything physical. A cheerleader in H.S. and college. An absolute alcoholic in H.S. Eventually confined to a halfway house in Houston as an adult. Records and facts and truths that are undeniable. The AMA and A. Psychiatric Assoc. currently define alcoholism as follows: “A drunk STOPS growing emotionally and intellectually at the age in which he began SERIOUS DRINKING. This is the age of the ‘unofficial self.’
The mind grows no further.” (sic).

Don’t bother to argue with me. Do some reading. Somewhere. Educate your own little minds, little people.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 26, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

By Hey 2:23 PM

The Dow is at 12,900. Still nearly 3,000 above where it was when Bush took office, moron. It goes up and it goes down on a daily basis. If you paid attention, you would know that. Try your doom and gloom on somebody who can’t read next time.

BTW, Christmas spending was up 7% over last year for this first weekend. Sounds like good news doesn’t it? People with no confidence in the economy out spending. Hmmmm. But you wouldn’t know that from reading the AJC because they aren’t going to share any good news with you. IT DOESN’T FIT THEIR AGENDA.

Here’s a stock tip for you Hey, bury your money in a jar in the back yard. That way you won’t have to worry about winning or losing in the market.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Hi Midori!

Thanks for that info.

It seems patently obvious to me that the American middle class is really, really hurting these days.

And forget about the working poor.

The politicians in Washington have been helping that situation along for a long, long time, but now the you know what is really going to hit the fan. And soon.

Insurance - of all kinds, education, health care, gas and heating and mortgage payments are ALL getting perilously close to being totally out of reach to a HUGE number of Americans.

And isn’t his fairly obvious if you just look around?

Yet, these mindless, moneyless Bush apologists, like on every other topic where the news ain’t great, refuse to even admit there is a problem.

Much less do one damned thing about it other than b*** about the rich being unfairly taxed and vote for more “conservative” foxes to guard the henhouse.

Oh and pretend to read the Holy IBD…

By Midori

November 26, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

No prob, AmVet.

It’s going to be a sucky winter…..

By Glenn

November 26, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Tiny Tim, yr. 1:42: funnlyput.

By 2D

November 26, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

JoeTech… What political party or group doesn’t attempt to make policy based on what they believe, or interprets facts through their own POV and value structure. DUH! Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, Greens, EVERYONE does that.

You speak of facts, but they can be used to support any POV a person or group wishes.

All political parties also tend to communicate more with their core consituencies rather than the general populace. So, that’s why we as a society need to bolster one of the items that crosses the entire political sectrum… Family.

To you question… I would NEVER support making gay relationships illegal. If two men or two women want to live their lives together, then by all mean, please live happy and productive lives. I’m probably one of the few conservatives who voted against the ammendment shamelessly peddled during the 2004 election. That being said, I do believe that one man, one woman is the ideal and that when children are involved, they should be living with stable, traditional one male, one female households whenever possible. After that, the debates can begin.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

To his credit Huckleberry has slammed Bush’s handling of the Iraq “War” and the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and criticized former majority Republicans in Congress for being too partisan.

{{In addition to not initially putting enough troops on the ground and failing to “articulate what we are doing” in Iraq, Huckabee said that not enough foresight was put into how Iraq would be reconstructed after the ousting of Saddam.}}

He could have gain a ton more cred, AND votes, had he uttered the next inference - it is the Bush/Saudi cartel that is getting obscenely rich.

{{Consumers are financing both sides in the war on terror because of the actions of U.S. ally Saudi Arabia, Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee said Sunday.

The former Arkansas governor made the comments following what he suggested was a muted response by the Bush administration to a Saudi court’s sentence of six months in jail and 200 lashes for a woman who was gang raped.

“The United States has been far too involved in sort of looking the other way, not only at the atrocities of human rights and violation of women,” Huckabee said on CNN’s “Late Edition.”

“Every time we put our credit card in the gas pump, we’re paying so that the Saudis get rich _ filthy, obscenely rich, and that money then ends up going to funding madrassas,” schools “that train the terrorists,” said Huckabee. “America has allowed itself to become enslaved to Saudi oil. It’s absurd. It’s embarrassing.”

Huckabee said “I would make the United States energy independent within 10 years and tell the Saudis they can keep their oil just like they can keep their sand, that we won’t need either one of them.”}}

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Wow, the sexually extroverted are Libertarians!

RENO, Nevada (AP) — It’s not exactly your average Republican fundraiser.

A Nevada brothel owner is giving Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul his stamp of approval and plans to start raising money for the Texas congressman. Dennis Hof, owner of the Moonlite BunnyRanch near Carson City, says he’ll leave collection boxes outside the door so people can drop in their political contributions.

A spokesman for Paul says the politician with a libertarian streak doesn’t condone prostitution on a personal level.

But, he says, “it’s not the role of federal government and it’s not in the constitution for federal government to regulate these things.”

TV host Tucker Carlson, who was trailing Paul for an article, says he’s a good friend of Hof and — in his words — “decided to call him up and see if he wanted to come check this guy out.”

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Ah so we now have an excuse for liberals here as supplied by Gary and Scott. They all started drinking at an early age and did not develop well emotionally and intellectually, not to mention how long winded they became.

There’s Ditzy, so well named. Has to copy other’s words to make a complete sentence.

Tiny Tim, so cute that he thinks he’s a Dickens of a man.

MomCat does not know the difference in two minutes or two hours, all the same time.

Decider who can’t decide. What? Here’s a question? How was that? Explain it? Facts? Cheney didn’t tell ME.

mm never has an original thought. Just copies other people’s lines and then calls them idiots.

And the long winded heavy breathers are as weighty as lead here. AmVet can blow harder than Katrina and longer. Midori has taken to preaching. Just skip over their numerous posts. You won’t miss anything.

As to the subject of the day “Luckovich and other Anti-War Cartoonists”, liberals have hardly bothered to mention that. Well, I wouldn’t claim Lucko either. Anti-war protestor! Now isn’t that just great while we are at war?

Next we will hear from Osama about Bush being an infidel as a child. It will come right off the liberal press.

By Aaron Burr V. Mexico

November 26, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

And along came Dusty The cowboy clown Wrongside Right And a Perpetual Frown Called the Liberals America Haters When the real americans Are participators Good And Forthright Truth Debaters It isn’t America The Liberals Hate But the Stalin Lovers Who want a Red State. America is Red White And Blue Not just partially colored Red by Dusty The Great Yahoo.

By Dusty

November 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Aaron, share on…

I think you are a bit of a goon.

America IS red, white and blue.

But some of the libs are plain coucou.

Free speech is a wonderful thing.

Puts our voices on the wing.

But slamming our country is very bad,

Uncle Sam and I get very sad.

Always this country makes me proud

And I will never approve a complaining crowd.

But au revoir for now, my friend.

My time to post is about to end.

5:00……

By DICK -IF ONLY I HAD A HEART - CHENEY

November 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

OUR NIGHTLY PRAYERS ARE BEING ANSWERED - WE CAN SOON RESUME OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE NATIONAL HEART ASSOCIATION. PRAISE JESUS

By Paul

November 26, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Your 3:09 calls into question the blanket assertion by some that the entire Republican candidate field will only perpetuate Pres Bush’s Iraq policy.

Rather bold what he’s said about energy and the Saudis. I hope I hear some followup specifics (it would have been great if he’d said “tell the Saudis they can keep their oil and go pound sand”) about how to do this. It’s far bolder than any other candidate - Dem or Rep - and far bolder than any administration or Congress for the past thirty years.

That said, do you think his views on religion will keep many from even considering him?

mm

The other day you were quite critical of the Administration’s Mideast peace talk “nonpolicies.” Given the latest, with the attendance of Syria and Saudi Arabia - care to reconsider your assessment?

By Objective Observer

November 26, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty sounds like Hugo Chavez. Sick.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Most who slam Dusty are Liberal. Your comment states Hugo Chavez is sick (D=HC, D=sick, HC=sick). Therefore, a Liberal thinks Hugo Chavez is sick.

Dusty’s gonna have a field day with that -

By DICK -IF ONLY I HAD A HEART - CHENEY

November 26, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Dusty is posting from work, stealing time from her employer. Dusty, did no one ever teach you that stealing was wrong? Now scurry on home, and think about this time theft thing - tomorrow I want an explantion.

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Hi Paul,

Though I kind of admire him for it, Huckabee can afford to throw stones at this administration’s failed Iraq debacle, with few consequences.

He knows that the vast majority of Americans won’t disagree with him!

BUT, he has stated that now we’re there, we can’t just up and leave.

Perhaps he’s right, but I imagine that is just Republican-speak for we’re gonna keep those boys there for a long, LONG time.

It strikes me that this Bush/Cheney “doctrine” is like a drunk before he realizes he’s headed to the asylum.

Just one more drink/surge.

I can handle it/stay the course.

SOMEBODY has got to fix this self-made mess, and it seems very unlikely it is going to be another intransigent Republican ala any of the front runners.

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

I love how the people who claim the surge is working dont have a definition of working, they simply point to less violence. Less violence as compared to what, the ice capades? There’s still no way to define victory in Iraq, because you have to say, “If…then…but only….well…..you see…..maybe….in ten years……”

morons.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Well, much of what I’ve heard from the leading Dems doesn’t sound all that different from the nebulous statements I’m hearing from Reps. “Stay the course” and “redeploy to other areas but continue to base 75,000 troops there to provide support” doesn’t sound all that dissimilar.

As I’ve mentioned in the past, other than Grenada, where have we gone where we haven’t left?!!? I remember when we were heading into the Bosnia/Kosovo mess, the Chairman, JCS Gen Shaliskavili said we’d be “home by Christmas.” I responded “which one?” Won’t even be Christmas ‘08.

Frankly, those who roundly criticize the administration for staying there to protect a stable oil flow (and there is merit to that) yet who continue in their energy profligate ways are being just a tad disingenuous.

IF the military situation continues to improve, about the only criticism (aside from arguing about troop levels) will be over the political situation. Strikes me as risky - those who object to America dictating to others will in effect be advocating political circumstances for the Iraqi gov’t. As long as the military situation is stable and the society rebuilds - with the levels of cooperation we’re seeing between Sunni and Shia - is that a valid criticism? And if not, what’s left?

BTW - I cooked a 24.5lb turkey in under three hours. Turned out great. I’ll bet the contractors put on a good spread for your son. See? Contractors can be good!

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Turkeys all over the country were cooking in record time this year. I even heard one case of a pop up thingy popping up an hour early a little north of here.

Must be global warming…

By Paul

November 26, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Tiny Tim

Every military mission has a set of objectives. I believe you were referring to Operation Law and Order - also referred to as the Baghdad Security Plan - but you then linked the operation to “Victory in Iraq.” Unless I’m mistaken, that wasn’t one of the mission’s specific objectives - unless one’s speaking to an opponent of anything, then it seems to be the main objective.

If you don’t know how to find the objectives, I believe the overarching ones were to reduce the level of violence and begin reconstruction programs.

Lessee, if violence is greatly reduced in the area of operations, and reducing the level of violence was a misison objective, could the “surge” be working? Nawwww……

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Not sure if you’re referring to Hillary about the same tactics going forward.

Here’s Barack’s: http://obama.senate.gov/speech/061120-awayforward_i/

Obviously, we’re going to have to leave some troops behind for awhile, and most Americans are probably OK with that.

But IMHO it is WAY past time for some of the other nations with a vested interest in the region, to do some of the heavy lifting, i.e. the fire fights, street sweeping Iraqi police and army training, etc…

And even the most strident Bush apologists are having a hard time anymore not admitting that this was one of the many GREAT failings of this clustrf@ck - to have a coalition in name only.

We desperately need true statesmen and first rate diplomats in this country again. NOT Condi Rice or any of the other third-rate and hamstrung neo-cons in this administration.

But someone who can get results. Results that are advantageous to both the US and her allies, as well as to her adversaries.

I simply refuse to believe this is an impossibility.

But no matter how this plays out, it is almost without a doubt going to cost the GOP the White House and perhaps the Congress for another forty years.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Isn’t it amazing how science can confine its effects to my oven?

Those little turkey timers have gotta rank as one of the greatest inventions of all time. Just like the paper clip - I’d love to have some royalties off that.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Yeah, it was Hillary. I think a bunch of antiBush folks are going to be sorely disappointed with her. If she tosses missiles around with the ease she tosses lamps…

Link: Hillary’s Preparation for the Oval Office

for Nov 23.

I’m more concerned with the reasons for WHY we need to leave (substantial) numbers behind. “Clean up Bush’s mess” doesn’t cut it. Especially when the American people don’t seem to be all that willing to enact changes to reduce one of the major reasons we’re engaged in that region. The balance seems a bit unbalanced.

As far as others assisting. Don’t hold your breath. Iraq is our problem now. Especially if the oil keeps flowing.

Ever wondered what would happen to the dynamic if the US held back and the French, with or without the Brits and the Israelis, took out the Iranian nuke facilities? The possibilities are quite interesting.

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

No, paul, victory in Iraq has to mean something. the surge apart from contributing to that victory in Iraq, which nobody knows how to define, is just soldiers milling around in the desert. Yes, when you put soldiers in a village, the bad guys lay low in that village, yet the larger war evolves on it’s own beat. As the war becomes something different than what everybody thought it would be, (and all wars do that), then pointing to one or two offensive campaigns over the larger conflict is trivial and pathetic, especially when the tactical victory of the surge eludes any conventional explaination which would satisfy any criteria for the word “victory” or “Success”, or even, “Still gaining acceptance”.

You are a civilian. I’m a black belt rasberry beret, with a sister named maureen, and a pet navy seal, and I always have my swiss army knife with me. I think that makes the score, me: seven……you: ZIP!

Saying that the surge is a victory is like winning the battle of the bulge and losing world war 2. (then the neocrocks would say, “but we won the battle of the bulge”, yes, you did, and that’s great but you’re wearing brown shirts and clicking your boot-heels you nazi leiderblowzers)

Zeig Heil!

By Paul

November 26, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Just read over Obama’s speech. Thanks for the link. He shows some flexibility. Surge success can only make his plan seem realistic - even if the reasons he used then (deteriorating situation) are greatly different from the situation now. I’m not sure many will catch the implication - he’ll be able to say he was right a year ago.

I’ve been thinking about his lack of foreign policy “experience” - as if any of the others are rolling in experience. Seems to me one of the last “inexperienced” Presidents - Kennedy - withstood some very experienced military and political advisors whose “experienced advice” would have led to a nuke exchange with the Soviets.

Maybe there’s something to be said for less “experience” - rigidity - eh?

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Our current CIC was touted as having “experience”, and look where that got us!

{Don’t hold your breath. Iraq is our problem now.}

You’re right. Four years later and this supposed coalition is down to one - us.

That is not acceptable.

But given the hubris, misleading and manipulated information, self-righteousness and intractability of this administration, you’re probably right, next to none of our allies, European, Middle Eastern or otherwise are not going to get connected to Bush/Cheney. Not now.

Who would? The “irrelevant” UN? The despised French and Germans? The now highly suspicious English? NATO?

But once the neo-cons and rogue gun-slinging cowboy are thankfully out of office, it seems not unlikely that some of these long standing allies will again join hands with us in helping implement a political, social, economic AND military strategy that leads to some true advancement of our combined interests.

And I stand by my prediction that this administration is going to cause and see up close the GOP get decimated again next November.

What a shame no one in that party had the balls to stand up to this garbage…

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

How do you suppose they pick which terrorist is the bride?

Paul,

Those thermometers rank right up there with White Out and sticky notes.

By Tiny Tim

November 26, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

God b-b-bless us e-e-everyone!

“Stop stuttering, Tiny Tim, you sound like a retard.”

F-f-fa que, mom!

By Paul

November 26, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Tiny Tim

The lead in your first statement was about how “success” regarding the “surge” could not be defined. So I answered that. The “victory in Iraq” is, as I’ve said, different from the surge. Which you seemed to tie together.

Your 6:24 reference to the surge as “just soldiers milling around in the desert” - when the bulk of the plan involved Baghdad - leads me to believe you have some strong opinions without much foundation in fact or understanding. So discussing the situation would be pointless.

But a fair point about winning a battle does not necessarily mean winning war. Unless the battle is critical - which by most observers the surge was. You may want to check Gen Petraeus’s comments about the course we should take if the surge were to fail - comment before the operation commenced.

BTW - losing the Battle of the Bulge (with the resultant drive to capture the ports supporting the bridgehead) could have had serious consequences. Regarding the rest of the observations - enjoying a bit of the Rumpleminz on a cold evening? :-)

AmVet

It’s the holiday season! You’re supposed to feel more calm and serene!

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Of course our main ally in Iraq, the Iraqi military, is increasing their numbers and proficiency daily.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Now THAT’s a picture our cyberwarfare guys (I sure hope we have some) should insert on every jihadist web site they can find.

Don’t forget SoftSoap. Some guy took a look at all the goopy mess in a soap dish and the light bulb went on. Profits went up bunches on that one. Now we have foaming hand soap. Less soap, more air, higher price. And the public loves it.

But the private sector can’t innovate for health care? (sorry, couldn’t let it pass -)

By AmVet

November 26, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Oh I do, Paul.

I still contend that the things that unite us as Americans FAR outweigh the things that divide us.

And for that I am very thankful.

Speaking of giving thanks, Amvet Jr. spent Turkey day with a family in the San Antonio area. Turns out the AF has a longstanding program called Operation Homecoming, where local families take in an airman or two for the day.

Kiddo was glad to get off the base and said he had a nice time. He must be growing up as he said he was both thankful and grateful to the family who fed him!

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Paul,

According to CBS all we need to do to solve all of our health care needs is to open our borders.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

AmVet

That’s wonderful about your son. And the families who give, year after year.

You are right - there IS far more that unites this country than divides. Which is why I think it’s such a great country.

By Paul

November 26, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

RW

“CBS” - Comedy BS?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I normally call them SeeBS, I must be slipping. They have a story they run every five or six months about an illegal alien from Mexico that is now a neurosurgeon and spends his spare time working on a cure for brain cancer. A couple of jobs Americans just won’t do you know.

Apparently their viewers are gullible enough to believe this is the norm, but for some reason the story is always about this one guy.

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