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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2007 > November > 20 > Entry

I trust them

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 08:15 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By Anonymous

November 21, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Here we see the drawbacks of a president who “leads from the gut,” rather than using his brain.

Unshakable convictions aren’t really a good thing when you’re WRONG, George. Being able to recognize facts and change your position is what marks a truly intelligent man. You tend to fire those types.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

At G8 Summit, Putin calls Bush’s bluff

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Bush rates poorly in survey while Putin gains status

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Bush, aides ‘grossly misjudged Putin’

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

Pakistan, Bush, and the Bomb

By reebok

November 21, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

HECKUVA JOB, BUSHIE!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 21, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

So first George Tenet writes a book and tells some ugly truth about the Bush administration and - PAYDAY!

Now, Scott McClellan writes a book and tells some ugly truth about the Bush administration and - PAYDAY!

Soon, the American people will hand the administration, the GOP, Conservatism and the Neo Cons a huge defeat and for us it will be - PAYDAY!

By Goldie

November 21, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Dubya is clueless about who his enemies really are, and he’s apparently clueless about his “friends”, too — what a sad prez we have in America today!

Even Scott McClellan has now decided to come clean about his “friend” Dubya:

Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan names names in a caustic passage from a forthcoming memoir that accuses President Bush, Karl Rove and Vice President Cheney of being “involved” in his giving the press false information about the CIA leak case.

By Jesus

November 21, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By TW

November 21, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Well done ITN! Yes, the list of those who have auditioned successfully for the role of Bush’s Daddy over the past seven years is quite long. Let’s see…Putin? Chavez? Ahmendinajad? I’d have to say the clear cut front runner at this point is still ‘wanted ead or alive Bin Laden.’ Yes, I suppose he’ll have his spot at the head of the Crawford Thanksgiving table for the seventh time this Thursday.

Is it time to give the tough jobs back to the smart people, yet?

By DirtyDawg

November 21, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

If Republicans were smart - and they generally out-smart the Dems - they’ll bring the Articles of Impeachment themselves…fast-track the heave-ho of bush/cheney, replacing with whoever they’re thinking they’d like to have in ‘08 - of course that might be a bit difficult with a Dem majority in Congress, but that can be taken care of with uppin’ the ante.

The only thing they - Repubs - will have to worry about is who’ll be able to pardon who after the truth is completely known.

By Anonymous

November 21, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Interesting idea, Dawg. If the current crop of Republican candidates actually took a stand for both integrity AND traditional conservative values (reduced spending, less international meddling, etc.), they’d get a lot of credibility.

Of course, they’re terrified of sacrificing the 29-percenters who still back Bush no matter what he does. Apparently they think he’s the latest incarnation of Jesus and can do no wrong.

By Eric1

November 21, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich is a genius. I love you Man.

By @@

November 21, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

A couple of posts and them I’m off to prepare for Thanksgiving.

ITN: Some of your links on Putin are dated — June??? Never assume that what you see is what you get.

This is an interesting tid-bit:

((However, Moscow may find the new Polish leaders more detrimental to Russian interests than the noisy, fanatical politicians who came before them.))

((This is a shift for Poland, which for the past two years has expected the U.S. presence on its turf to act as the ultimate shield against an increasingly aggressive Russia . The Kaczynski government sought to be as tightly intertwined with U.S. military plans as possible. In contrast, the Tusk government is saying that, while it has no problem with the Americans, it expects Poland to be more secure as a result of cooperation with them. The new plan might appear more moderate, but in reality it reflects a renewed focus on the actual threat; Tusk knows that Poland needs to prepare to stand up to Russia in a more coherent way than mouthing off at Moscow and hiding behind Washington’s skirt.))

((To this end, the country is looking to upgrade its own defense systems —and this is most likely only the beginning of its wish list. The United States probably is not going to deny this request, especially since it puts yet another pro-American military presence in the middle of Europe, as well as in a former signatory of the Warsaw Pact. Russia, on the other hand, now has a real problem.))

((The preceding Polish government may have been loud, annoying and easily scared, but this new collected, focused and well-armed leadership is more dangerous for Moscow.))

Individual countries operate from a standpoint of strategic interests and sometimes the U.S. helps them along. It’s something that you or I have no control over. It’s a global reality.

By Antineocon

November 21, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

How many times do Republican supporters of Bush/Cheney have to be shown the truth before they quit this suicidal loyalty to two guys who are so unethical, they expect members of their staff to continue to lie to the American public? It will take Republicans years to recover from the crimes committed by these two a*******h*les.

2008 is gonna be a REALLY bad year for Republicans.

By getalife

November 21, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Treason conspiracy

But the biggest outrage is this

Mr. Murtha is right as always.

Despicable.

Geez.

By TW

November 21, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Great idea Dawg. Maybe Saxby Chabmliss will take the lead on this…er…no, not if it means putting down his clubs for a couple of days. I mean, he skipped out on the investigation into the use of pre-war intelligence just to squeeze in a quick eighteen - can’t imagine he’d let something petty like a lying president get in the way of those 19th hole festivities!!! Not when me an you are footin’ the bill!!! yeeeeeee - haaaaaaa!!!

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Anonymous, your assertion at 9:20 is exactly what I have been saying for some time now.

IMHO, the GOP’s only real hope going forward is to minimize their unswerving devotion to that intransigent, WAY out of the mainstream, 29% and turn away from their current course, which is almost certainly going to take them over the falls.

Of course, it is going to take a great deal of effort, courage and vision to turn that otherwise doomed boat around, but it can be done. And I hope, almost beyond hope, that a new generation of Republicans will see the light.

And your propositions would go an enormous way in doing so.

By Einstein

November 21, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

@@, what temperature do you roast your turket at in the oven? This has been a sore spot for me and my parents for decades. We cant seem to find a compromise.

Lucko’s back! Especially after the W interview on ABC news last night where America witnessed what is left of our president: a very simple man.

I cried. He’s a lovable simpleton. Laura impresses. I think she’s a great american lady, and history will be kind to her.

By @@

November 21, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

From Goldie’s Politico link:

Read between the lines. The MSM and book’s authors and publishers want to hook you. It’s all about profit:

((McClellan’s —->publisher<—- released three paragraphs from the book “WHAT HAPPENED: Inside the Bush White House and What’s Wrong With Washington.”))

((The excerpts give —->no details<—- about the alleged involvement of the president or vice president.))

((“I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the seniormost aides in the White House: —->Karl Rove and Scooter Libby,”<—- McClellan wrote.))

Both gone btw…

((“There was one problem. It was not true.”))

((McClellan then absolves himself and makes an inflammatory — and —->potentially lucrative for his publisher<—- — charge.))

((McClellan, who is still writing the book, —->declined to comment further.<—-))

Still writing the book???

((But White House sources have long said that Rove and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff, allowed McClellan to suggest day after day that they had no involvement in the publication of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.))

Notice the absence of the word “covert”. She wasn’t. She testified that even she didn’t know if she met the legal definition.

((Later testimony showed that they did, although neither was the original source of the leak.))

Good grief! Armitage has admitted he was the leak.

((It was also what —->the president believed to be true at the time based on assurances that we were both given.<—- Knowing what I know today, I would have never said that back then.”))

Patience…patience. The book comes out in April. Until you read the book all you have is speculation as to what’s actually in it.

Remember Jason L.

By @@

November 21, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Now I’m just speculating here, but something is afoot in Pakistan and I suspect the MSM is either knowingly or unknowingly helping our, THE U.S. of AMERICA’S efforts AND Musharraf’s there. Unbelievable, I know.

‘Ya just never know about these things cause you’re not supposed to know.

((1233 GMT — PAKISTAN — Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf plans to step down as army chief this weekend and become a civilian president, Agence France-Presse reported Nov. 21, citing Attorney General Malik Qayyum. “If the Supreme Court lifts the stay order against his re-election, then President Musharraf is likely to take the oath as a civilian president by Saturday or Sunday,” Qayyum was quoted as saying.))

By Einstein

November 21, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Wrong, @@, do you really think that The McRoves didn’t know everything that happened to these subordinates all along the way in advance. Then you believe that the McRoves (W/Cheney, moron), are simpletons, who were elected by accident, or maybe appointed by the Supreme Court……D’OH! (the ARE innocent!)

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

@@,

It’s hilarious watching the moonbat(ic)® getting their underroos in a bunch over 121 words that were put out just to make them rush out to order a book that will wind up punking them when it comes out.

getalife’s hero spent 45 minutes of his “news” program last night using these 121 noncommittal words to charge, convict, and incarcerate everybody from President Bush down to the valet parker at the White House.

Add that to the 47 links the local loons have linked here the last two days and it’s downright comical. Sad that they’re so ignorant, but comical nonetheless.

By @@

November 21, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Last but not lease…my man Dylan!!!

“The thing that is —->great about him<—- is his continuous experimentation and his willingness to go into —->different genres,”<—-said Clifford. “Aside from his pure ability to tell a story, —->he has the ability to reinvent himself.”<—-

So does Huge/AmVet, it’s just that Huge isn’t as good at it.

((And, according to Clifford, —->Dylan gets respect because “he never gets caught up in his own image.”<—-))

Unlike Huge/SpamVet who’s all wrapped up in himself.

Einstein:

I smoke my turkeys.

Have a great Thanksgiving all.

By getalife

November 21, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

In The News,

Fitz never closed the case.

By TW

November 21, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

ITN - Giuliani keeping his head under Bush’s covers in the midst of the McClellan revelations? Got to start smelling pretty bad under there - maybe he likes it. What about Jeffs Romney - any response there? The Patriot McCain - he gonna ‘love his country’ on this one?

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

The nerve!!

How these unpatriotic libs could possibly see this President and his staff as incompetent, duplicitous and self serving is COMPLETELY beyond me.

I mean the guy hasn’t been caught doing anything illegal. Well at least since those DUIs anyway…

By getalife

November 21, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I think they will subpoena Mccliar and get him under oath to make him tell the truth.

He could be lying to sale books but this is an explosive charge, so he knows there will be consequences.

We already know it is treason and Armitage was just one of the leakers. It was a conspiracy to out a CIA agent in a time of war because Joe was credible and told the truth about the Iraq fraud.

By @@

November 21, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Oops! Make that “last but not ‘least’”.

RW:

It is hilarious. You would think they learned after the Jason Leopold “Pssssttt”.

You and the family have a great Thanksgiving!!!!!

I’m outta here.

By getalife

November 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

“The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.

To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases.

Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back.”

Lets hear our friends from right spin this one?

Right or wrong wingnuts?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

@@,

I hope you, Semper, and your family have a great Thanksgiving too!

Jason L had an interview with “the spy” herself the other day. He was too kooky even for her.

By TW

November 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

getalife - any relationship between what the military is doing and the fact that the share of our nation’s income going to the top one percent is at it’s highest level since 1928?

By Sgt. York

November 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

You’ll get the $$$$$ back, when I get my g@d damn leg back!

Flaming a*******holes!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s wrong and it was outrage from the right that got it fixed. Let’s hope Truthman? or whoever at DoD made that stupid error in the first place gets his head handed to him.

By getalife

November 21, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

TW,

I read they have no idea where the money went but billions have been stolen.

Amazing how our friends on the right support treason, theft of billions, not supporting the troops, a premptive war for nothing, war mongering on Iran to get $100 oil, it goes on and on and on.

Yet, day after day they support these criminals along with the rest of the 30% kooks.

It boggles the mind.

Geez.

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

What the heck happened to the crack staff of right-wingers reporting back with links supporting Andy’s idiotic claim that 75% think global warming is NOT man-induced???!!!

I’m reasonably sure that many who read this blog regularly know how the faux conservatives here regularly pull stuff out of their a*******es in lieu of FACTS.

Talk about holes in your fossil record!

It is not even Thanksgiving and I can imagine a whole boatload of the more rational Republicans just wishing, beyond wish, it was already Nov. 2008, so this endless beating was over.

In the Air Force we referred to it as “augering in”.

Have many here noticed how practically all of the witty, clever and truly bright comments and observations come almost exclusively from the non “conservatives”?

Last night late, I saw where @@ was the exception. The old gal has sometimes got it in her. But then she is a self-proclaimed ex-Dem/lib. And that explains the occasional lack of the far right’s corncob up the rump syndrome.

@@, quit your mooing over Dylan and obsessing over me and listen to Argent’s “God Gave Rock & Roll To You”.

Sing it sister!

By getalife

November 21, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

How has the right fixed it RW?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

getalife,

They brought the issue to the forefront and confronted DoD. The Pentagon has said it was a mistake and will get to the bottom of it.

You know, the way conservatives always get things done. By taking action while you losers are just whining to each other on blogs.

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

My son got a $13000 signing bonus.

Me back in 1972? Nada.

And I thought HE was the dumba$$!

I hope, no matter what sacrifices he makes, he sees it…

By Terry Sciavo

November 21, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

hmmm…. so what do you know BUSH/CHENEY were behind the treasonous act of outing an undercover CIA operative?

I’d really like to know what the insane christian right have to say about their president commiting a teasonous act????

seriously, i’m waiting???

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

””“”They brought the issue to the forefront and confronted DoD. The Pentagon has said it was a mistake and will get to the bottom of it.”“”

Who EXACTLY is “they”?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Bill O’Reilly through his staff since he was busy visiting troops in Afghanistan, Hot Air, Glenn Reynolds, Neal Boortz, Michael Reagan to name a few.

Shouldn’t somebody that claims the name IN THE NEWS already know this?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

Thank you for you and your son’s service, although there is something a little unsettling about somebody that begs on a daily basis for that recognition. Here’s hoping your son doesn’t grow up as needy as his dad.

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

ITN, how can you tell when RW is lying? His name precedes the post.

Just kidding.

But I thought I’d check his non-answer out. Especially given another chance to actually answer the question getalife posed in any meaningful way, he declined. Or was it obfuscated?

The Vetran’s Guaranteed Bonus Act was introduced back in October. It would require the Pentagon to pay bonuses to wounded vets in full within 30 days after discharge for combat-related wounds.

AND, it was a Democrat, Rep. Jason Altmire from Pennsylvania, who introduced the bill.

I can imagine that numerous families, vets, etc, contacted their representatives with complaints about this.

BUT, it was certainly no faux conservative who “got things done”.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Sorry, RW Not good enough.

We all know about Altmire’s(D-McCandless) bill to prevent this.

But your going to have give us some real backup on your statement.

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

RW, I know I have been a tad obsessed about the military lately.

Not because I seek your favor, but I guess between the war and now my living my own AF career through my son vicariously, it’s on my mind a lot.

Thanks for your understanding and your well wishes for kiddo.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

The Veterans Guaranteed Bonus Act…wouldn’t you think somebody that calls themselves AmVet could spell Veteran, but I digress….is a bill that would rectify the situation going forward in the law. The pressure brought to bear on DoD by primarily conservatives has the Pentagon stating it was a mistake to request this bonus money be returned and saying they would get to the bottom of it.

Just the facts, ma’am.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

RW,

“Just the facts, ma’am. “

From where?

No source, no credibility.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

You can go to any of their web sites and find written and even visual evidence. I haven’t the time to do your research for you and I’m certainly not going to join you in clogging up the board with spam. Frankly I don’t care if you believe it or not. My message is here on the board and fair minded people can and will look it up. Laura Ingraham devoted a large portion of her radio program yesterday to detailing what was being done and also hosted The Factor last night providing the same info to a much wider audience.

Don’t you find it interesting that Congressman Altmire was already doing the right thing legislatively and quietly a month ago, but now that conservatives have raised the issue with DoD your fever swamp blogs have started whining?

By Prophetess Kelley P

November 21, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

I couldn’t agree with you more concerning @@ AmVet.

I looked deep into her posts.

I was able to get a sense of her soul, a woman deeply committed to her country and the best interests of her country.

Praise

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

He picks no credibility.

Surprised?

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

RW,

BTW, I’d be happy to acknowledge your statement as truth - IF YOU PROVE IT.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

ITFS,

Let’s see if you’re a blogger of your word

Later!

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Those holes in RW’s fossil record were FACTS?!!

Wow. Talk about stupidly painting oneself into a corner. That’s the best game the guy has? (It has been quite erratic over the past few months, but it is falling to pieces now. And it’s not even 2008!) To fall back on the dreaded “I really don’t have any evidence, so I’ll just say I won’t find it for you” ploy?

So, not one single scintilla of evidence to support that obviously illogical and partisan claim. Not one.

Unless you consider a bunch of hot airhead talking heads speaking to the issue weeks AFTER the legislation was introduced by a Democrat.

Digress, my arse.

If the pseudo-prevaricator wants to digress, how about not researching that claim of his bud Andy, that 75% think global warming is NOT man-induced.

Yet more holes in the record…

Neo-con spin, pure and simple…

By getalife

November 21, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

RW,

You are full of hot air.

It is dem taking action

Geez.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

November 21, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Just the facts =-

here

and here

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

RW,

Interesting attempt.

The Hot Air Blog post you linked to is dated 11/20/07.

it states “I’m proud that we were able to play a tiny part in sending this story national. Laura Ingraham’s interviewing Jordan Fox on the Factor as I write this”

That would mean Ingraham’s interview was 11/20.

Altmire’s bill was introduced 10/23.

Just how to you define being a “blogger of your word”?

Republi-speak?

When you get back, please address why you want to mislead us?

By The Watcher

November 21, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Coming soon…..

other personalities as the RW defense squad?

By AmVet

November 21, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

The Watcher, I was just going to write that sooner or later Dusty, @@, Andy or the always pleasant BD, would be along after awhile predictably excoriating everyone for exposing RW as the dufus he can sometimes be…

By Anonymous

November 21, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

RW’s really falling apart lately as his “facts” get exposed as lies and distortions. Soon he’ll be a shrill as DullAndy and the other Bushdrones.

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Listen to this dumbas-s Shrillary:

{{{{It’s time for a new vision for America’s future. As president, I’ll set four big goals for our country - and I won’t rest until we achieve them. And we’ll promote scientific innovation - including stem-cell research - so that our children can benefit from cures, discoveries and technologies that we couldn’t even dream of today.}}}}

Stupid, empty rhetoric totally devoid of substance.

Here’s the link, go read this mindless drivel for yourself:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/OPINION01/711200367/1036/OPINION

“She’s” nothing but a masculine John Edwards with his idiotic populist babbling “If John Kerry were president, Christopher Reeves would walk.”

This is going to be easy.

~~~~~~

{{{{Since 1960, there had been a more than 500-percent increase in violent crime; a more than 400-percent increase in out-of-wedlock births; almost a tripling in the percentage of children on welfare; a tripling of the teenage suicide rate; a doubling of the divorce rate; and a decline of more than 70 points in SAT scores. To Bennett, the conclusion was inescapable: “the forces of social decomposition [in America] are challenging—and in some instances overtaking—the forces of social composition.”}}}}

Gee, I wonder what happened in the 1960’s to cause all that?

Oh yeah, the rise of liberalism and pervert radicals like Shrillary Klintoon, purveyors of social disorders and disease.

It’s well past time to begone with them.

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{Income tax data recently released by the Internal Revenue Service seem to show the exact opposite: People in the bottom fifth of income-tax filers in 1996 had their incomes increase by 91 percent by 2005. The top one percent — “the rich” who are supposed to be monopolizing the money, according to the left — saw their incomes decline by a whopping 26 percent. Meanwhile, the average taxpayers’ real income increased by 24 percent between 1996 and 2005.}}}}

It makes you wonder what’s up with all the whining about the economy, don’t it?

For example, isn’t it rather audacious to call the current housing market a “collapse,” after all, in the last 6 years real estate values have doubled or even tripled, how does a 10% decline in today’s dollars constitute a “crisis.”

The “irrational exuberance” has settled into reality, are we not still all better of in spades?

I guess some people just want to find “bad” where there is only good.

{{{{Mortgage Lenders Target the Vulnerable - Bob Herbert, New York Times}}}}

Aren’t these the same Code Pinkos that whined about the poor being “left behind?”

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

{{{{Second, the majority of Sunni Arabs had realized that their involvement with al-Qaida forces was not a patriotic “insurgency” but was instead a horrific mistake and had exposed their society to the most sadistic and degraded element in the entire Muslim world.}}}}

Bingo.

No rational people want to be governed by lunatics, fanatics that impose a pick and choose form of religious slavery and genocide over them.

It’s that freedom thing, again. We all yearn it, from what I remember.

{{{{The forces of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi stink in the nostrils of the Arab world, and have been—here I borrow some words of Thomas Paine—”in point of generalship … outwitted, and in point of fortitude outdone.” Bin Ladenism in Iraq has been dealt a stinging defeat. Surely this is something to celebrate.}}}}

How would you like it if some scumbag stopped by and killed your wife cause she was showing too much leg?

The United States of America has the power to give these Iraqi people the freedom they so obviously desire, why do some, pinko lib democrats all, want to take that away from them?

And make our brave soldier’s sacrifices all for naught?

{{{{What worries me about the reaction of liberals and Democrats is not the skepticism, which is pardonable, but the dank and sinister impression they give that the worse the tidings, the better they would be pleased. The latter mentality isn’t pardonable and ought not to be pardoned, either.}}}}

Choose wisely this coming November.

By Goldie

November 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

A Very Happy Thanksgiving to all my Lucko-blogger friends (and even to a few of our nicer, more adult trolls)!

And remember to count your blessings for all that’s still good in America today — we still have the right to vote out any incompetent scoundrels in ‘08, among others…

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

This is exactly what the liberals want to destroy, even as they whine about it being “unfair:”

{{{{“The richest modern economies are now 10 to 20 times wealthier than the 1800 average,” Clark writes. In these economies, it is the unskilled who have benefited most. “Unskilled male wages in England have risen more since the Industrial Revolution than skilled wages,” Clark writes, “and this result holds for all advanced economies.” There have always been very rich people. What’s changed in the past 200 years is the growth of wealth and its spread.}}}}

Because they refuse to acknowledge the obviousness of their Creator, they wish to destroy man and preempt the “harm” we cause to their chosen religion of the environment.

It’s all rather sick if you think about it.

~~~~~~

{{{{Hardly a day goes by that some Democrat doesn’t accuse some other Democrat of “swift boating.” This weekend, the Obama campaign charged Hillary Rodham Clinton — President Rodham to you — with mud-slinging “swift boat” politics. Ouch! That had to hurt. The leftists try to make “Swiftboating” into a verb that connotes lies and slander, but the fact is The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was a shining moment where guys with integrity stood up and told the truth. That is why it worked.}}}}

T. Boone’s still got his million, hahahaha.

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{{{{Last week, the secretary-general of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, issued a new warning on global warming that began with this sentence: “We all agree. Climate change is real, and we humans are its chief cause … we are on the verge of a catastrophe if we do not act.”}}}}

{{{{Just a few days later the United Nations released a new report in which it confessed its previous estimate of AIDS cases worldwide was inflated by more than 6 million sick people. In India alone, the number of AIDS patients estimated by the United Nations dropped by more than half, from 6 million to 3 million.}}}}

Exaggerating is nothing new to these tax money mongers.

Why is it always “new” to us?

By Bosch

November 21, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

I know this is over most of your heads, but just try to follow along. The conservatives here understood this right from about two minutes after getalife started crying about it.

The Congressman introduced a bill in October that hasn’t even had a committee hearing yet and did nothing to stop the demands to return the bonus money. When it came to the attention of conservatives, like Laura Ingraham, the DoD was put under pressure, primarily by the right, and now the Pentagon is no longer seeking a refund. At least not from Jordon Fox, has stated this was a mistake and vowed to get to the bottom of it.

Meanwhile the Congressman’s bill languishes in the Democrat controlled body with no action and only 35 cosponsors.

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

{{{{The poorest American is richer in temporal things, political freedom and opportunity than the poor of most other nations. Most of our needs are met. But in our consumer culture, driven by sophisticated marketing techniques, our wants can never be sufficiently satisfied to bring contentment. Why don’t any of the candidates talk this way?}}}}

{{{{Who among the presidential candidates would dare say: “I can’t force you to get married, stay married and be more than a biological father or mother; I lack the power to make you stay in school, or work hard in order to succeed; I can’t require you to obey the law and a higher moral ethic that will not only benefit you, but promote the general welfare. Stop whining and go out and make a life for yourself.”}}}}

Or you can throw yourself to the mercy of the federal government and always be miserable.

Sound familiar?

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{{{{This kind of outcome has been the hope behind President Bush’s stem cell policy. In fact, the President spoke about this very same technique—reprogramming skin cells—in a speech back in July of 2006, and earlier this year signed an executive order to encourage this kind of work (Thomson’s team, in fact, was supported by the NIH).}}}}

Bush, coming through again.

{{{{So thank you for your courageous leadership, Mr. President. Because of your willingness to absorb the brickbats of the Science Establishment, the Media Elite (Queen Pinko, geez, wrong again) and weak-kneed Republican and Democratic politicians alike — we now have the very real potential of developing thriving and robust stem-cell medicine and scientific research sectors that will bridge, rather than exacerbate, our moral differences over the importance and meaning of human life.}}}}

Check out how the Urinal reports this good news, interjecting some of their inbred pessimism:

{{{{Breakthrough that reprograms skin cells instead of using embryos offers hope, fewer ethical issues, but new treatments may be years away.}}}}

Correct me if I’m wrong but the “treatments” from stem cells have always been a “few years away.”

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet November 21, 2007 10:21 AM What the heck happened to the crack staff of right-wingers reporting back with links supporting Andy’s idiotic claim that 75% think global warming is NOT man-induced???!!!}}}}

DimVet: I know you aren’t that bright but don’t you think you should look for my answer back where you left your question, uh, duh?:

{{{{By Luckoduh November 20, 2007 5:16 PM Here’s a good start: {{{{Americans aren’t being told that a 2005 Gallop Poll of prominent North American climatologists showed that 83 percent of them disagreed with the man-made global warming theory.}}}}

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The Atlanta Urinal Constitution, doing communist propaganda duty:

{{{{Cuban election announced-Urinal}}}}

An election with only one candidate to choose from!

{{{{Cuba’s constitution calls for the council’s first vice president, currently Raul Castro, to fill the presidential slot when vacated. Fidel, Cuba’s unchallenged leader since 1959, had held the council presidency since its 1976 creation.}}}}

Believe me, this is the kind of “election” and “constitution” that Shrillary and all the other libs would love to have in America.

{{{{Second, the majority of Sunni Arabs had realized that their involvement with al-Qaida forces was not a patriotic “insurgency” but was instead a horrific mistake and had exposed their society to the most sadistic and degraded element in the entire Muslim world.}}}}

By Anonymous

November 21, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

In a way, it’ll be good for conservatives to lose their grip on government. Then they can go back to complaining about how evil it is full-time (instead of awkwardly and with exceptions, as have to do now).

Cheer up, conservatives! You’ll be victims again soon.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

November 21, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Hey DUh,go crap somewhere else.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

AND RW, you still have not proved the statement that it was your conservatives that caused the change in the process.

Proove it and we will herald it from the rooftops!

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

November 21, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

I looked deep into W’s stall once.

I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his aroma and the best interests of his poo.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

Liberals did what they always do which was to sit back and wait for the Congress to fix all their needs, the Conservatives raised hell with DoD and now the Pentagon has backed off and admitted their mistake.

I’m sure it was your still not in committee bill that did the trick. <——-sarc

By the way, since you seem to be saying your ilk has been doing something about this for over a month could you direct me to where you linked to the stories? I mean since you link to every fever swamp post ever written, there’s bound to be a day in the archives here where you alerted us to the story. Right?

By Anonymous

November 21, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

The conservatives did it by standing strong and cutting the commie tyrant off without a cent. The Soviets finally came to their senses and did the same. It wasn’t liberals who had the prudence to leave the banana dogmatists to stew in their own cane juice. Infidel tried to nuke my family and me when I was young, and I haven’t forgotten it since. Nor all the Yanqui libs who’ve gone down there expressly to kiss some tyrannical butt. The Castros are losers, and losers love company.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

You can’t prove what you said.

Admit it.

I most willingly admit I had never heard of the story till yesterday.

I also willingly admit I don’t know that anything other than Altmire’s bill has been done to rectify the situation.

I also willingly admit that your entire third paragraph is bullsh!t bait.

Now, since Ingraham started talking about it on the 20th, the same day as say Think Progress, DU, etc started talking about it what makes you so certain of how it all played out?

Geez, being in the minority has really turened you into a panty waist!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

I can’t help it if you don’t understand empirical evidence. If you followed the links within the link I gave you, you would see that conservatives picked up the mantle before yesterday.

By Bosch

November 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

RW and ITN,

I haven’t read through the whole thread this morning, but can either of you tell me who decided the bonuses should be cut?

There are some universal “wrongs” in this world, and that is a no-brainer for being wrong.

I’m just glad that Congress is doing something about it, and yes, it maybe taking some time, but they are doing something, and I’m glad to see the media screaming about it so it doesn’t get lost in the wash. It’s atrocious to think that something like that could get lost in the wash, but we all know how the government works.

But again, my original question: who is the moron who decided that to begin with?

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry RW,

I followed every link I could find.

Still no proof.

I do like the guys first sentence….

“I’m proud that we were able to play a tiny part in sending this story national.”

You are going to have to SHOW ME.

Actually you are going to have to SHOW US.

Bosch,

Don’t know who started it, don’t know who changed the process.

But I have a problem with RW’s still unproven comment at 10:30.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

That’s the $64,000. question and I sure hope whatever paper pusher decided this isn’t protected by some government employees union. They need to be out on their a$$ right now and that would be my feeling if it came straight from an EO by President Bush.

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Hey RW

No matter what else,

I totally agree with you at 1:42.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

What channel had Jordon Fox on to profile his story at 8:00PM last night and what competing channel in the same time slot spent the whole hour talking about the 121 words from McClellan’s book that comes out in April?

The answers for those plying along at home are Fox News on the O’Reilly factor, with lauea Ingraham sitting in as host, for the military bonus question and PMSNBC with the Olberdouche on the 121 word story.

Most functioning brains would see which side of the debate felt more strongly about which issue.

Perhaps the Pentagon said “Oh sh!t, McClellan has a book coming out. We better change this idiotic policy in case he has a chapter on us.”

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

lauea=Laura

How did I type that?

geez

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

””“Most functioning brains would see which side of the debate felt more strongly about which issue.”“”

Our discussion was not about who felt more strongly, now was it?

Maybe the Pentagon said, a bill has been introduced showing that we are asshats so we better straighten up?

Then again, maybe the Pentagon said CREW is on to us, maybe we better fix this?

I can guess too.

What you still cannot provide is PROOF.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

It would be impossible to show definitive proof because the Pentagon wouldn’t be allowed to make a political statement like that. The fact remains that the policy didn’t change when the bill was introduced a month ago and I’m fairly sure that the heat they took from the Olberdouche and his wild rantings about the 121 words didn’t do it.

You’re the foremost expert in the wailing and crying in the fever swamps and it sure wasn’t on your mind this morning.

No, it came to life in the conservative media and changes began immediately. It’s as plain as the nose on little IN THE COMICS face.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

All,

I’ve to go kill something for dinner tomorrow <——-OK buy, BUY something so if I don’t see you all at happy hour have a great Thanksgiving!

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

RW

So you admit you dont have proof!

Did you have to diddle all day for that?

While

“No, it came to life in the conservative media and changes began immediately”

MAY BE TRUE

SO COULD

It came to life on the Liberal blogs and changes were made immediately

OR

as CREW suggests in above link

the blogosphere went nuts with this.

so maybe

it was liberals AND conservatives.

eh, what!

didn’t hurt at all

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

OH AND RW

It was not on my mind this morning because I posted it yesterday

By IN THE NEWS

November 20, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Military demanding bonus pay back from wounded vets. “The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.”

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Turns out I got a short reprieve, but the Thanksgiving wishes still stand.

Well would ya lookee here:

He sees his task as getting to the bottom of things in ways as creative as the law allows. The law doesn’t say you can’t question a sitting president about his contacts or an investigative reporter about confidential sources. So Fitzgerald has done both, including quizzing Bush for more than an hour in the White House last June. His assiduous demands for answers from journalists alarms critics who believe he has created the greatest confrontation between the government and the press in a generation.

President Bush already has been questioned by Fitzfong.

Sorry kidz you still are never going to see the Fitzmas morning you’ve been slobbering about for years now.

There is no Jason Claus! No St. Leopoldnick either.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

ITFS,

Glad to see you admit that you just randomly post crap and have no concern for how things turn out.

By Objective Observer

November 21, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Give it a rest, nobody cares!!!!!

By IN THE NEWS

November 21, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

Im glad to see you still make up stories!

Comes from being FULL OF CRAP!

By The Watcher

November 21, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Oh, we care.

Every RW smackdown feels so good!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

That Think Progress link is interesting and quite telling, ITFS.

So Fox News went to the Pentagon and PMSNBC went to Altmire’s office to see how his bill was coming along. One came back with the Pentagon backpeddling and the other came back with a press statement from the Congressman saying he’s heartened that Fox got results from the Pentagon.

I bet that Congress critters everywhere are falling all over themselves to get on as a cosponsor now though. Too bad Pelosi will probably try to tie it to a bill demanding we surrender to the cutthroat jihadis to get it passed.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

{{{{{Pickens wasn’t born yesterday, however. He wrote back noting that Kerry actually had to prove it. He asked Kerry to send “the journal you maintained during your service in Vietnam” and “your military record, specifically your service records for the years 1971-1978, and copies of all movies and tapes made during your service.”}}}}}

Well, Boone, good luck trying to get those military records. Kerry promised to release them 1,025 days ago, and an anxious nation (except for a few select reporters) still holds its breath.

Lot’s of great reading on Best Of The Web today. Don’t miss the part about how your enemies have brainwashed you to turn on your own country. Dusty’s been trying to tell you moonbat(ic)s® this for years.

By getalife

November 21, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Brainwashed?

You support treason and stolen freedom and and spew we turn on our country.

Come on RW.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Well my reprieve is over.

Here’s the video of the Pentagon appearing at Daily Kos to explain their error

Or maybe they were on a station that actually cared.

If anybody has a friend or relative affected call 1-800-984-8523.

By Dusty

November 21, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

OH my goodness,

when I glanced at the first fifteen posts today I thought I had gotten into Osama’s propaganda piddle. But with Mrs. Godzilla’s gravy poured over it…nawww…it is just the usual loony Luckovich crowd.

Reality finally arrived with RW, LuckoDuh and @@ …..and as usual…they were called liars. Ho hum..nothing new here. Same old twisted truth and anti-American libs with the excuse..sob..I don’t like Bush. Strange though, they don’t seem to like America either.

Well, off with your heads, you turkeys. You WILL BE investigated for betraying Thanksgiving. Yep, and you can add all the “pork” you want trying to stop funds for the military with timetables. But it won’t work because thinking Americans know you are turkeys on the run.

No,ITN, I don’t have a link. Now, what kind of stuffing do you want, potato or cornbread? Whatever, you seemed to be quite “stuffy” already.

A fine Thanksgiving to all of you. Every American ought to be thankful for our good fortune. Now don’t forget…

By Auntie Sybil

November 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

RW @ 1:55,

Aloha!

Mahalo nui loa for remembering that in our tongue we do not have the letter “r”, so that when we adorn her with a lei of ho’okipa we will be greeting her as “La’ula”, which, like Laura, is a beautiful name, blessed with an okina.

Da kine Mainland Haoles usually forget that kanaka maoli language is one of the two official languages of Hawai’i. For this reason we cannot support efforts to impose English as the sole official laguage of the States United. The last time my kama’aina ohana, my Hawaiian family, and I were on the Mainland my kaikamahine (daughter) went to Border’s in Seattle. I saw it from the outside, and it is so nui!

Anyway, later when she got back to the hotel she was crying, because she found our Hawaiian music in the “International” section.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your friend Laura, RW.

Malama pono a hui hou!

P.S. We support Rudy 08

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

One more for the road.

The moveondotmorons still don’t know what American troops look like.

They support them though…wink wink…

RW out!!!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Mahalo Auntie Kepila and Happy Thanksgiving to you!

By Dubya

November 21, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Bushie and gang have brought into our lives a new and inexhaustable supply of lies,filth, and corruption. No mind to the amount of this fecal matter spilled, the Neocons prefer to individually lap it all up. Stand proud! Praise Geesussa, and God Bless Murcuh. Give thanks on thee morrow 4 thee wonnerful country you have maid. N bless thee troooops n thee heroes n specially all thee brave never-serveds who r so vocal n brave n…. Murcuh

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

November 21, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

-=-

My Irish side will be celebrating Thanksgiving — while my Native American side will be disgusted at it and what it represents to Native Americans.

Enjoy ——

By GOD

November 21, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

RIGHT YOU ARE, JESUS! (8:56) THAT’S MY BOY!

By Scott

November 21, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Dustbrain: what “good fortune” would that be???

By Knopfler

November 21, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Two men say they’re Jesus,

One of them must be wrong.

There’s a protest singer,

He’s singin’ a protest song, he says

They wanna have a war to keep us on our knees

They wanna have a war to keep their factories

They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese

They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease!

By Einstein

November 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Happy Thanksgiving.

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

{{{{House Democrats’ point man in the war-funding showdown with the White House Tuesday dismissed U.S. military gains in Iraq and vowed to tighten the purse strings until President Bush accepts a pullout plan.}}}}

{{{{“Look at all the people that have been displaced, all the [lost] oil production, unemployment, all those type of things,” said Rep. John P. Murtha, chairman of House Appropriations defense subcommittee. “We can’t win militarily.}}}}

Didn’t Has Bin Laden whine about the exact same things last week?

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Gee, the dumb as-s got caught lying again, go figure:

{{{{If I were advising a candidate who was running against her, I would lay into her loudly and often with a challenge to her claim of experience. If she was actually managing the national economy from 1993-2000 from her perch as wife of the president, let her release White House documents showing her active participation in such management. When I worked in the Reagan White House, I wrote hundreds of memos on my areas of responsibility. There was a paper trail. If Mrs. Clinton was actually doing what she implies she was doing, there will be a long paper trail of memos that she either wrote or commented upon.}}}}

A new lie every day!

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

{{{{Pickens is perplexed that the majority of Kerry’s fellow Swift Boat pilots from Vietnam, who considered Lt. Kerry a ham and a fraud while serving with them and a louse when he maligned them, have been made out to be liars. In our political culture, polluted as it is by liberal bugaboos and shibboleths (we call it the Kultursmog), “Swift Boat” has become a hate term not unlike “McCarthyism.” In the Kultursmog it has come to mean destroying a person by misrepresenting the person’s record. But the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not misrepresent Kerry’s hoked up record, not in their ads, one of which presented a tape of Kerry’s lurid testimony before the Senate. Pickens knows the ads were accurate, and he wants to demonstrate to the American people that they were. Send him the errors in the ads, and he will send you a cool million.}}}}

By Betty

November 21, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving.

I would also like to say that I’m very thankful that I have had a chance to read this blog. Even Dusty seems to be improving. Our weird uncle, Luckoduh, bless his heart, is really trying to keep his composure lately. Hey big guy, its okay, you’re amongst friends. Let it out!

And of course where would this blog be without Buy Danish. Did you folks know her father graduated from Harvard!!??!! We’re lucky to have her, she is one of the best posters here. By far.

Un-Friggen Believable! Thank you Buy Danish for being here!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

A Green Thanksgiving

First five of ten handy tips!

1) Purchase locally grown, seasonal produce in the bulk bin. Locally produced products require less gasoline to ship to market - and usually taste fresher too. Local seasonal produce can include root crops such as potatoes, turnips, beets, rutabaga, parsnips, salsify, pumpkins and squash. Use bitter greens and hardy vegetables that are available in the fall, such as collards, kale and Brussels sprouts. They’re good for you and good for the planet. Look for them in the bulk bin to cut down on individual packaging waste.

2) Buy organic foods - turkeys, produce such as apples, celery, and many of the traditional Thanksgiving dinner trimmings are now available in organic version, usually better for the environment as they reduce the use of pesticides. 3) Shop online or order by phone and save the gas you'd burn driving from store to store. It saves the planet from exhaust emissions, which add to global warming. 4) Look for natural materials such as pinecones, dried leaves, Osage oranges, and other natural materials from your own backyard to make your holiday centerpiece. 5) Serve tap water instead of bottled at your holiday table and cut down on plastic bottles which will need to be discarded.

Hmmm #5 could be tough in Atlanta. Oh wait, Sonny prayed for more rain and it’s getting ready to soak us. 6-10 to follow…

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

6) Purchase ingredients with a minimal amount of packaging around them. Cardboard and plastic packaging just ends up in the waste basket.

7) Serve wine sealed with a cork not a plastic stopper. Cork extraction is one of the most environmentally friendly harvesting methods, and cork production provides a sustainable livelihood for people in many parts of the world.

8) Although Thanksgiving is supposed to be a feast, don’t prepare more food than will be eaten. American’s throw out nearly 40 percent of their food. This year, encourage guests to clean their plates.

9) Remember - leftovers are half the fun! Find new and interesting ways to serve leftovers.

10) Share food with those that have less and invite people for Thanksgiving that don’t have anywhere else to go. Sustainable societies are built on sustainable agriculture and food systems but also sustainable communities - be part of one.

Take a good look at what these moonbat(ic)s® are telling you in 8 and 9. If I follow 8 how am I going to have all this green fun with number 9?

By Bob

November 21, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

One has only to gaze around and consider all that exists. Each year at this time we collectively have less and less for which to be thankful. The nation spins downward and out of control. Hatred and bitterness and ignorance and Neocon lies and intolerance spread like a disease. Wonder why that is?? Look in the mirror. May your fat arses choke on a turkey bone.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Here’s an excellent definition for “swift boating.”

{{{{{“The true definition should be a legal and accurate description of any scumbag trying to associate him or herself with an honorable and patriotic history in order to trick people into supporting them, either financially or with votes.”}}}}}

By Bob

November 21, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

RW, et al. We certainly don’t have to concern ourselves with you and your ilk “sharing” with someone else, now do we?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Bob,

Happy Thanksgiving!

Now allow me to “share” this with you, GFY! Good for you!

By Luckoduh

November 21, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

One week and one week only, Joe Klein wasn’t a total goony lib, rest easy pinkos, he’s back:

{{{{The next day, I suffered through Rush Limbaugh lambasting the dopey Dems, who actually — can you believe this, friends? — put the rights of terrorists above the nation’s security! That was ridiculous. All Richardson and Obama were saying was that support for human rights was an essential component of U.S. foreign policy. They are joined in this belief by George W. Bush, whose naive support for democracy in countries that aren’t ready for it has destabilized the Middle East.}}}}

So a Middle East with a dictator that fed his citizens into wood chippers feet first, operated 24/7 rape rooms and gassed his neighbors to death was “stabilized.”

Yeah, GFY, Joe.

{{{{That doesn’t mean they need to be witlessly hawkish. It doesn’t mean they have to join the neoconservative frenzy for war with Iran.}}}}

O.K. so Joey thinks Republicans are war mongers, right:

{{{{It means they have to make the arguments against folly with clarity, toughness and a heavy dose of Realpolitik. It means they will have to convince the public that they will be more effective and realistic overseas than the Republicans have been. No more “Freedom Agendas.” No more quagmires. A renewed emphasis on cleaning out al-Qaeda, even if it means special operations against the terrorist camps in Pakistan (as Obama has suggested).}}}}

So we cut and run from Iraq where, let’s say, there is, oh, I don’t know, about a 99% chance that we will win if we stay, and then invade an Islamic superpower with a 39,000,000 man army and nuclear weapons.

Got that?

Insanity, that is.

By Glenn

November 21, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Oy gewalt, from Kadesh to Nirtzah these sanctimonious Greens and their Haggadah for Goyem to instruct the unwashed in the sacraments and incantations, the pennance and oblutions and oblations of their Cult of Gaia the Allgiver.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

From the BBC:

{{{{{The paper said that some Irish people who were so desperate to attend the fundraiser have been seeking out US citizens through whom they can channel the $2,300 (1,600 euro) admission charge.}}}}}

{{{{{Mr Farren is a practising barrister in Dublin and a US citizen, a prerequisite under US law for any of the guests contributing to Hillary Clinton’s campaign fund, according to the Irish Independent.}}}}}

{{{{{Hillary Clinton visited Ireland seven times when her husband was president and Saturday night’s party is expected to add about $250,000 to her campaign fund.}}}}}

So that’s what Hillary means about her extensive foreign policy experience. This week it’s Irish money laundering. I guess those Chinese dishwashers were getting tapped out.

By @@

November 21, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

Among other things I am thankful for The Watcher’s post at 2:41 because it gives me the opportunity to say:

If the truth about Scott McClellan’s upcoming book comes straight from “The Horse’s Mouth” then where did all those early morning lies here come from?

Could it be?…….why yes it could. They must have come from THE HORSES’ A*******ES.

Did SpamVet really say this?

((@@, quit your mooing over Dylan and obsessing over me and listen to Argent’s “God Gave Rock & Roll To You”.))

Only an obsessor would know about obsessing.

Did our resident “agnoxious” invoke the name of God? Can’t be…no way.

There’s nothing in Argent’s lyrics that are thought provoking. Find a chorus and repeat it over and over. Hmmmmmmm, that sounds vaguely familiar. No wonder AmVet picked Argent. Anyhoo…

If we’re talking about “execution of instrumentals” I’m an Argent supporter.

“Hold Your Head High” AmVet.

Snip Snip!

“God Gave Rock ‘n’ Roll to You” Bobby Zimmerman a/k/a Bob Dylan. Afterall, you ARE one of his chosen people.

Happy Thanksgiving to all and to all a goodnight.

By Luckoduh

November 22, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

A Thanksgiving Day downpour!

The Lord truly works in mysterious ways.

Thank you Sonny!

~~~~~~

Here’s one former general that we won’t being hearing much from in the Cry Baby Times:

{{{{Jack Keane, the former army general who helped persuade George W. Bush, US president, to increase troop numbers in Iraq, said the decrease in violence was “phenomenal” and had occurred far faster than he had expected. “When you understand you are dealing with the complexity of a counter-insurgency operation which can take years to resolve, to have this dramatic a success in a short period of time, it’s unprecedented,” he said.}}}}

Now, if he had whined about the United States it would have been front page, but alas, it is just good news not fit to print.

{{{{Pre-surge, our enemies were convinced they were winning - they monitored our media, which assured them that America would quit. Sorry, Muqtada - that’s what you get for believing The New York Times.}}}}

Keep fooling yourselves, pinkos.

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Guess who!:

{{{{Half the English language is becoming the “N-word” as far as liberals are concerned. Words are always bad for liberals. Words allow people to understand what liberals are saying.}}}}

{{{{It is against my best interests to mention how utterly out of touch Times editors and reporters are with any Americans east of Central Park West and west of Riverside Drive. I enjoy watching the Democratic presidential candidates take clear, unequivocal positions in favor of driver’s licenses for illegals and then denouncing those very positions a week later (after the real polls come in).}}}}

This is excellent.

Democrats cannot think. So they wait for the next poll to come out to see what their position is. The New York Times and all of it’s little toadies, like the AJC for instance, are perverts and have to create fake polls to get people to think their pervert ideas are acceptable. So the dumbas-s democrat presidential candidate goes to Iowa and starts harping on the pervert ideas of the AJC, which he believes Iowans are for because of the fake polls. The Iowans are repulsed by what the dumbas-s democrat says and resolve to vote Republican.

Repeat this 50 times.

This is going to be easy.

By Luckoduh

November 22, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

The United States of America, held over a barrel:

{{{{Aside from tarnishing the most visible symbol of U.S. power in the world economy, it would hurt the U.S. economy at a vulnerable time, further weakening the dollar, pushing up fuel costs, adding to inflation and driving up interest rates. Economists liken higher oil prices to a “tax” on consumer spending and growth since it is like a dead weight on the economy.}}}}

{{{{Moreover, Global Insight thinks there’s a 35 percent chance that the slowdown might become a recession. Two threats loom. One is oil. The forecast assumes that prices will fall from about $90 a barrel now to $76 in 2008. Every $10 above that is reckoned to raise gasoline prices 19 cents a gallon and cut employment by 100,000. The second threat is an aggravated credit crunch.}}}}

Thanks to the liberals, all we can do is sit here and hope for the best.

Hey, at least the Caribou aren’t being bothered, eh?

We have no leverage on foreign oil markets, we pay the price they set.

We could have stopped the skyrocketing prices a long time ago, gas would have never hit a buck fifty, a million barrels a day from ANWR is all it would take.

Any one with a brain knows that releasing oil from the strategic reserve has enormous impact on prices, ANWR would be dwarfing that now

If it hadn’t been for the hysterical junk science environmentalist pinkos, that is.

Thanks, you dumbas-ses.

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Just what we need, another Klintoon and Nixon all rolled into one:

{{{{Like Nixon, Senator Clinton is widely disliked. Like Nixon, she cannot be made warm, even by a modern-day Roger Ailes. Like Nixon, she is a politician whose resentments are always close to the surface. And like Nixon, she is a politician about whom her peers have real doubts.}}}}

By Luckoduh

November 22, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Moron Dud scratches at Shrillary’s eyes:

{{{{Her Democratic rivals had meekly gone along, accepting her self-portrait as a former co-president who gets to take credit for everything important Bill Clinton did in the ’90s. But she was not elected or appointed to a position that needed Senate confirmation. And the part of the Clinton administration that worked best — the economy, stupid — was run by Robert Rubin. Hillary did not show good judgment in her areas of influence — the legal fiefdom, health care and running oppo-campaigns against Bill’s galpals.}}}}

{{{{“She hasn’t accomplished anything on her own since getting admitted to Yale Law,” wrote Joan Di Cola, a Boston lawyer, in a letter to The Wall Street Journal this week, adding: “She isn’t Dianne Feinstein, who spent years as mayor of San Francisco before becoming a senator, or Nancy Pelosi, who became Madam Speaker on the strength of her political abilities. All Hillary is, is Mrs. Clinton. She became a partner at the Rose Law Firm because of that, senator of New York because of that, and (heaven help us) she could become president because of that.”}}}}

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{{{{Still, the closeness of the race at this early juncture suggests some serious problems with Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy and — more to the point — with her personally. It also suggests that if she is the Democratic Party’s nominee, the Republicans have a better-than-even chance of defeating her and holding on to the presidency another four years — despite the hostility toward the GOP.}}}}

And that’s good news for America.

{{{{When you consider the Democratic front-runners, they are a very weak bunch, indeed: a former first lady embroiled in controversy and scandal for much her tenure; a freshman senator with less than three years under his belt and an undistinguished record at that; and John Edwards, a former one-term senator whose principal achievement is making a lot of money as a liability lawyer.}}}}

By Luckoduh

November 22, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

{{{{That’s a tough concept for a drive-thru nation accustomed to insta-everything and gratification at the tap of a button. Five years at war in Iraq is an eternity for impatient Americans, but it’s a blink of a camel’s eye if you’re set on destroying the Great Satan.}}}}

{{{{I asked the president if he found comfort in the possibility that, assuming democracy ultimately flourishes in the Middle East, history will vindicate him. No, he said. Bush finds comfort in knowing that he didn’t betray principle for popularity, that “I didn’t sacrifice my soul for politics.”}}}}

This is exactly what drives the liberals crazy, makes them hate Bush, they know nothing but the democrat party and would sacrifice anything for the sake of that party, including America.

And Bush is the complete opposite of that crap.

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{{{{The cleaning up that Hillary claims her husband undertook is a myth. The record shows Bill Clinton inherited from President George H.W. Bush an economy already in recovery. It wasn’t his income tax rate increases or sage words from Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin that produced Intel’s Pentium chip and the Internet or the rest of the technological revolution behind the 1990s boom. The seed capital for it all came largely from the low-tax policies of Ronald Reagan years earlier.}}}}

The other two things most responsible for the “boon” of the 1990’s had nothing to do with Klintoon either.

The “peace dividend,” the so called defense spending cuts were won by Ronald Reagan defeating the Soviet Union.

The one that hardly ever gets the credit it deserves, is welfare reform, taking a third of recipients off the federal dole and turning them into tax payers. You can thank Newt and the Republicans for that.

Klintoon was just along for the, uh, ride.

Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By Luckoduh

November 22, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

{{{{Stressing similar themes, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (graduate of Wellesley and Yale) campaigned in Iowa in a bus labeled “The Middle Class Express,” telling her eager audiences that “America’s middle class is under siege and ready for a change. People are working harder and longer for less and less… For six long years, it’s like America’s middle class and working families have been invisible to our president. He’s looked right through them.”}}}}

During the Klintoon presidency the tax rates on the “middle class” were 28 and 31%.

Now, after a Republican got into office, they are 15 and 25%.

That’s a 13% cut on your burden, middle classers, WTF is Klintoon talking about?

How can someone think that raising your taxes will make your economic outlook better?

{{{{Investor’s Business Daily reported on an IBD/TIPP poll conducted just a week before the angst-ridden Gallup Survey (November 2-9, with a sample size of 924) that showed that fewer than one in five Americans considered themselves disadvantaged or victimized in economic terms. The researchers asked the question: “All things considered, do you consider yourself to be part of America’s haves or part of America’s have-nots?” Only 19% described themselves as “have-nots” – placing themselves in the luckless segment of John Edwards’ “Two Americas.” An amazing 75% of the overall sample saw themselves as “haves” – including 83.5% of those with relatively modest household incomes of $50,000 to $75,000, and even 60% of those who earn below $30,000 a year. Even among self-identified Democrats, whose leaders make a fetish of bemoaning the grim fate of the working man, partisans described themselves as “haves” rather than “have-nots” by an overwhelming ratio of 68% to 27% (compared to 82% to 12% among Republicans).}}}}

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Happy Thanksgiving all.

By Einstein

November 22, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

I have deciphered the genome of a turkey and determined what amino acid combination is responsible for Triptophan, you know, that chemical in a turkey which makes a man need viagra after his wife has too many eggnogs and gets frisky driving home. Now, we can eliminate this problem mit der simple application of the antidote, which is a common everyday item found in the home. All you have to do is rub limburger cheese on your chest three hours before dinnertime, during the football game’s halftime show, unt du bist ein moozle-man at der poompin-freud.

Happy Thankgibbenheimer

By TW

November 22, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Not since 1928 has a greater share gone to the top 1%…guess Al was right after all…

The Republican party has succeeded in turning our Bald Eagle into a buzzard.

By TW

November 22, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Wonder how many of those families who have sacrificed a loved one for the ‘war’ are part of that chosen 1%?

By Glenn

November 22, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

TW,

Happy Thanksgiving. I responded to your query at the end of yesterday’s Wooten string.

Let me know what you make of it.

By TW

November 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Glenn - A very Happy Thanksgiving to you, as well.
Thank you very much for you most informative response. How refreshing it is to see fact based discussion moving back in on what has become the ‘bumper sticker rightwing.’ I have always maintained that his country is at its strongest when the conservative voice is an active part of the debate. Your words bring me hope the intellectual, honest GOP is not entirely dead. Thanks. Thoughts on Huckabee?

By Glenn

November 22, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

TW,

Thanks, very much. Thoughts on Huckabee?

I’ve kept him mostly in a doorless attic room of the Winchester Mystery House that is my mind, half hoping that he wouldn’t come on strong so’s I’d have to vet him to your stringent standards.

I’ve seen a couple of semi-credible attacks on him, and now that he’s a threat I feel obliged to run down his bona fides, as I will jump in with both feet as soon as it looks like he’s the ticket, provided there’s nothing too hinky there.

Just now I do get a hinky vibe out of him, and I can’t quite put my finger on it. I’ve been teasing here at Jim’s Place about his being a Republican Jimmy Carter. Truth is, I was floating the idea to see what reception it would get amongst the astonishingly diverse and well informed and turkey-talking (!) bloggers here.

A lot of people voted for Nixon, even though they found him personally disagreeable, because they were Republicans who would have stayed at home had it not been for the fact that he was the most qualified candidate ever to run for the office. (And had he been even a middling Governor of California on top of all his other quite remarkable accomplishments, it would have been a coup de tete, as our prodigal Frenchies say, a no-brainer.)

I like very much Huckabee’s preference for blowing past strategic policy dickering and going straight to the strategic. That is unlike Carter, who did both, to death. It is, rather, Reaganesque. However, I doubt Huck’s administrative ability to carry through to the point of implementation, e.g. the point of service delivery.

Did he, as he claims, stand fast in AK as a conservative, or was he into W’s disastrous “comity”? Will he have the sagacity and the Jacksonian backbone to catholically decapitate the agencies, most importantly CIA and State, and put in people who share his aims?

If he’s another pseudoconservative he can go to hell. The country could do with a straight up decision, based on a careful perusal of the contestants in their bathing suits, and not their fancy dress. I realize that even a bathing suit can cover a multitude, but it’s good enough for me, because I intend to be at the upstage desk watching very carefully.

I know you’ll be sitting there too.

[Rudy 08]

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