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Pat and Rudy

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 09:07 PM

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By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

What another great example we have for dumping the government funded health care idea, thank you Urinal for pointing this out:

{{{{Veterans are 25% of homeless}}}}

Geez, straight from the hell hole of Baghdad to right under the highway overpass, eh?

Well, not quite:

{{{{The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars. Data from 2005 estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.}}}}

For you mathematically challenged that is .0007 of the homeless are IRAQ war veterans.

That means the Johnson, Carter and Clinton administration’s have all failed these Vietnam Veterans, year after year after year, just like all government programs fail their recipients, and now their goony mouthpiece Code Pinko is trying to make some mindless anti war statement, at the expense of reality, as usual.

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Look at how hard it is for the Urinal to say “Soldier Cleared in Iraqi Detainee Death:”

{{{{DEATH OF IRAQI DETAINEE: Murder focus off Winder GI- Urinal}}}}

It’s like it would kill them to say “G.I. Cleared,” I’ll bet the Urinal staff sobbed when they first got the news that this soldier was innocent.

Look at them recycle this headline trying to make it appear new:

{{{{DEATH OF IRAQI DETAINEE}}}}

Even after this soldier has been found innocent, the scumbags at the AJC still try to drag his name through the mud.

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{{{{More than eight in 10 Republicans and more than half the married men in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll say they definitely wouldn’t vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.}}}}

You reckon?

It sure seems to me that the only people that like this Filthy Pig are the drive by media.

This is going to be easy.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

10) “Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings.” –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism

9) “Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court.” –Pat Robertson

8) “Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It’s no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

Uh, the founder of the Weather Channel:

{{{{It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.}}}}

Hey, that’s what I said.

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{{{{Oregon voters passed judgment Tuesday on a plan that would have made their state children’s health insurance program “universal.” Oregon reproduced the current Schip fracas in D.C. on the state level—and the referendum took a major shellacking, with voters siding three to two against. Oregon’s expansion was almost identical to the one backed by Congressional Democrats.}}}}

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{{{{A Defense Department official conceded that the quadrupled claim was a mistake. The Pentagon modified the justification for the spending request. And since Kongsberg Defense and Aerospace, a Norwegian company that supplies the Army with countersniper technology systems, has a plant in Johnstown, Pa., the hometown of appropriator in chief Rep. John Murtha, it’s a safe bet the request will survive.}}}}

The same guy that fights tooth and nail for American withdrawal from Iraq, is steering defense tax dollars to his district and making money off of it.

There are two sides to that Filthy Mouth.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

{{{{LW: Well, they want to create a theocratic government. That is the goal of the radical Islamists from the beginning. So Musharraf stands in the way of that. He is really playing, I think, a very dangerous and careless game. Certainly, he would have plenty of personal motivation to go after them, but I think he’s, you know, he and the Pakistani army are in the looking for bin Laden business. It’s a good business. If they found him, they’d be out of business. So to some extent, I think this is being strung along. Now if I’m right, if I’m right about this and you know, we can look into General Musharraf’s mind, he’ll have to be looking toward the next administration, which will be in place in less than a year and a half. And he’s going to have to deal with someone other than President Bush. I would, if I were in his place, I would be producing something before the election. So I’m not a prognosticator, but it would stand to reason that we’ve had a drought of any productive effort of our counterterrorism in Pakistan for the last four years. In order to justify what he’s done, he’s got to put something on the table. And I bet that’ll happen before the election.}}}}

Hey, that’s what I said.

{{{{LW: Now at one point, bin Laden had a political goal. It was to drive the crusaders, as he said, out of the Arabian Peninsula. He wanted to get the American Army out of Saudi Arabia.}}}}

{{{{HH: Right.}}}}

{{{{LW: Well, he succeeded. In April of 2003, the Bush administration said that we were withdrawing all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. The very next month, al Qaeda began its assault on the Western housing compounds. So victory wasn’t enough for him. And if you look at the ideology, if you could call it that, of the younger al Qaeda members, they’re really nihilists. They don’t really believe in anything except striking back. And that’s part of the appeal, I think, of the criminality of it.}}}}

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{{{{Our oil habit not only makes us dependent on some creepy suppliers, but we look like fools as we work nonstop to hand over our earnings to those who are rich by an accident of sitting atop oil someone else found and developed.}}}}

{{{{Also expect rising popular anger at an asleep-at-the-wheel government that for the last 20 years should have been doing a lot more to mandate conservation, subsidize a

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

7) “I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you, This is not a message of hate — this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.” –Pat Robertson, on “gay days” at Disneyworld

6) “(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” –Pat Robertson

5) “I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that’s the way it is, period.” –Pat Robertson

4) “I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there.” —Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

3) “God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says ‘This is my land,’ and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ‘No, this is mine.’ … He was dividing God’s land. And I would say, ‘Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.’ God says, ‘This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.’” —Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke

2) “Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up” –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

1) “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

Bonus Stupid Quote:

“Wait a minute, I didn’t say ‘assassination.’ I said our special forces should ‘take him out,’ and ‘take him out’ can be a number of things, including kidnapping.” –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez

Extra Bonus Stupid Quote:

“Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him.” –Pat Robertson

That was never in the Constitution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the Communist Soviet Union.” –Pat Robertson, on the constitutional separation of church and state

“Well, I totally concur.” –Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the fe

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

[Joseph Mathews is Pat Robertson’s point man in a Liberian mining venture called Freedom Gold Limited. Mathews doesn’t much care for what has appeared in this column about his boss’s business dealings in Liberia, so he’s trying to put a little distance between the televangelist and that West African nation’s strongman, Charles Taylor.] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A5339-2001Nov9)

By Anonymous

November 8, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Good cartoon—and great quotes, InTheNews. We need occasional reminders of what a pathetic, two-faced lunatic Robertson is.

Every time he speaks, Robertson gives Christianity an uglier face. Falwell’s dead, but the job’s only half done.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

{{{…it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.”}}}

ITN,

That sounds like the Goreacle warning us about the apocalypse of Global Warming.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

DISCLAIMER THIS IS A HUMOR PIECE

The Top Ten Reasons We Should Assassinate Pat Robertson

10 - It’ll show the world the true meaning of Christianity.

9 - Unlike Hugo Chavez, he wasn’t elected to anything.

8 - It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war against the Christian Coalition, and I don’t think any religious services will stop.

7 - It will prove that “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU, and the People for the American Way” weren’t responsible for 9/11.

6 - Who does Chavez think he is anyway, Salvador Allende?

5 - His TV show can change its name to The 699 Club.

4 - It will help to resurrect the careers of Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart.

3 - We should take out everybody whose first name is “Marion”.

2 - He’ll never run for President again.

1 - Cheaper Venezuelan oil!

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Take Pat Robertson, please

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Well, it is not the Goreacle (genuflect now) talking about global warming as you so well know.

They are the words of a certifiable radical right wing fake christian nut job.

Correct?

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Good toon. Politics sure makes for strange bed fellows.

Rudy seems more liberal than alot of professed liberals.

Dang Repugs, who ya gonna turn to now?

By Mike

November 8, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Gee, kind of looks like conservative Christians are a far more pragmatic and rational group than angry liberals believed.

Conservative Christians are sure a lot more pragmatic and rational group than the extreme left typified by Mikey and the posters on this board. Angry liberals are far too intolerant and zealous to support anyone who does not share their narrow view of the world. I mean, can you imagine an angry liberal ever support a pro-life candidate?

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

ITN,

The Goreacle is a left wing nut job preacher and a carbon footprint profiteer to boot. Maybe Senator Grassley should investigate him for using his church, er, corporation to reap profits.

“In other words, he ‘buys’ his ‘carbon offsets’ from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself,” Hobbs writes. “To be blunt, Gore doesn’t buy ‘carbon offsets’ through Generation Investment Management – he buys stocks.”

By Anonymous

November 8, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Those so-called “rational and pragmatic” fools on the Religious Reich are screaming at the top of their lungs about how unacceptable all the GOP frontrunners are—mainly because no one’s bothering to suck up to them this cycle.

They’ve been recognized as irrelevant, and it bothers them. They got used to two decades of Republican leaders groveling to them and promising to satisfy their agenda (No gay marriage! Abortion outlawed again! Women chained to the stove!), but America as a whole is fed up with far-right stupidity. The only option for current GOP candidates is to stake out moderate, centrist territory… which leaves the Christian Nazis out in the cold.

Where they belong.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

BUY DANISH

No surprised to see you admit, by ommission, that you are a supporter of Pat Robertson.

Any assasination targets today?

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

[White House Cites ‘Executive Privilege’ To Block Inquiry On ‘Eviscerated’ Global Warming Testimony…….A January report found 435 instances in which the administration interfered with the work of government climate change scientists over the past five years] (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/07/wh-cdc-privilege/)

By Ralph Reed

November 8, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

I object to this abuse of the Godly Reverend Robertson.

This man gave me an opportunity to begin my career as a political operative working to advance the conservative agenda and fleece the ignorant Bible0thumpers who watched Rev. Pat’s fine TV show.

The paychecks were always on time, and Ole Rev really knows how to treat a closeted queen. I should know.

By @@

November 8, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

You’ve got Robertson looking like Uncle Sam in a recruitment poster ml.

The media is all over this endorsement — pointing out the controversial/EVANGELICAL Robertson.

They really know nothing about the faithful in this country. They’ve become too accustomed to painting in black and white. Shades of gray depict shadows.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

{{{{The other reason to limit panic is that neither China nor any other country can afford to “dump” dollars too quickly. Flooding the market too swiftly would hurt their own economies.}}}}

Uh, duh.

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

So who do y’all think is the classier guy — Newt who delivers divorce papers to his wife while she’s recovering in a hospital, or Rudy who announces his divorce from his wife to the NY new media before telling his wife???

Repugnants— callous and lacking in family values!

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Oh, and Pat Robertson… ROFLMAO!!!

By Jesus

November 8, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Has Pat Robertson already arisen from the dead — didn’t he die just a few months ago?

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

How low can this blog get? Not much lower because it has already hit bottom.

TEN HUMOROUS REASONS TO ASSASSINATE PAT ROBERTSON by IN THE NEWS.

Well, that is too cute!! You get the pink teddy bear for that one, newsy. Put on your cloak and dagger and get busy, you lil’ ol’anti-war, violence-objector assassin.

Pat Robertson was wrong. And you, IN THE NEWS, are ten times as wrong. You are “throwing off” on Robertson while making yourself look like dirt and a fool. Congrats on exposing your true character. You are a copycat kook. (Humorous means “funny”. You are NOT.)

By Artie

November 8, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

BUY DANISH

Do you happen to know whether the Goreacle helped to invent these new instruments of financial transaction? Is he just onto a good thing? Or did his left hand know what his right hand was doing all along?

By luckovichisaheadcase

November 8, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

This simply proves that people like Robertson are not the narrow-minded one-issue morons liberals accuse them of being. In fact, liberals are usually equally guilty of that kind of foolishness. I guess it is hard to believe that most conservatives really do believe in the first amendment and the separation of church and state. However, most liberals obviously do not from what I am hearing lately, as NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO VOICE AN OPPINION WHICH IS NOT ENDORSED BY MOVEON.ORG OR HE/SHE WILL BE VILIFIED AS SOME KIND OF DEVIL OR FOOL. Liberal hypocrisy is alive and growing - like a cancer.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Another supporter of Pat Robertson exposed!

Which part of America do you want nuked to stir thing up?

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Rudy is an oxymoron: a liberal Republican.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Y kant Sali Red

Government school teachers won’t teach your children basic skills, but they’ll be happy to track Mommy and Daddy’s carbon footprint.

By Eric1

November 8, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Right on target, Mike. Nothing like a right wing, nut case, pseudo religious republican to get my day off to a funny start. Thanks Mike!

By Mirror Image

November 8, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO VOICE AN OPPINION WHICH IS NOT ENDORSED BY Bush and Co. OR HE/SHE WILL BE VILIFIED AS SOME KIND OF DEVIL OR FOOL.

Conservative hypocrisy is alive and growing - like a cancer.

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

{{as NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO VOICE AN OPPINION WHICH IS NOT ENDORSED BY MOVEON.ORG OR HE/SHE WILL BE VILIFIED AS SOME KIND OF DEVIL OR FOOL.}}

So is Head Case a DEVIL OR A FOOL? I vote he’s only “A FOOL” because only liberals know who The Devil really is…

By luckovichisaheadcase

November 8, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Goldie - you like to repeat old AJC lies. Newt, a personal friend, did NOT serve his wife divorce papers while she was in the hospital. These were served on her WEEKS before she went in. He did discuss some arrangements with her in the presence of his two daughters. She did not like this and complained. She was asked to sign some financial papers at her convenience. Now let’s talk about Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kocinich and Barney Franks, not to mention such past luminaries as Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson. Giuliani is NOT being a hypocrite as he has lived in the public eye and actually been honest about all of this. He also is NOT running as a socially conservative candidate. His conservatism lies where it should - economics and national security. Goldie, you prove over and over again that you are a HYPOCRITE!

By luckovichisaheadcase

November 8, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

You just proved my case with your last rant. I and many other conservatives have consistently disagreed with Bush when we think he is wrong. You obviously NEVER listen to any conservatives, just what liberals SAY about conservatives. I, on the other hand, read this paper and blog, listen to NPR every day and even watch Free Speech TV for as long as any sane person can stomach that nonsense, so I DO know what you folks are talking about and where you are coming from - the LOONEY LEFT!

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Quick question, are you equally outraged at the televangelists methods of collecting “tithes?”

Just curious, because it seems to me that your outrage at what Al Gore is doing based on your post earlier, is the same as what Robertson, Swaggert, Roberts, etc. do as well. Talk about reaping in the cash!

I wonder if the televangelists pay taxes? I wonder if Al Gore does?

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Head Case @ 9:58 — you obviously have trouble with reading and comprehension… today’s subject is Rudy and Pat Robertson— not Kennedy, Clinton, Franks and FDR… why don’t you take your troll vitriol over to the Aryan Nation blog where you belong?

Golly Geez.

(To paraphrase

By This is one you'll have to prove

November 8, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

I and many other conservatives have consistently disagreed with Bush when we think he is wrong.

Please show us where you have disagreed in the past, or tell us now what you think he is doing that is wrong.

If not, shut up.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

“You obviously NEVER listen to any conservatives, just what liberals SAY about conservatives. I, on the other hand, read this paper and blog, listen to NPR every day and even watch Free Speech TV for as long as any sane person can stomach that nonsense, so I DO know what you folks are talking about and where you are coming from - the LOONEY LEFT!”

The neo-con circular logic is just never surprising.

Mr. Headcase,

Can you please explain to me how you know that I or any other liberal on this blog or anywhere else, NEVER listen to conservatives? Could it just be that we disagree with you?

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Denis is asking for emails supporting impeachment

he will deliver them to Pelosi

Here you go

[info@dennis4president.com]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2229057)

email early and email often!

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Analysis: Could it be ‘the economy, stupid’ again?

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS @9:43

You are so predictable. You said exactly what I expected. I was talking about YOU and your promotion of ASSASSINATION, not Pat Robertson.

I have never listened or even been interested in Pat Robertson. You know more about him than I do since you promote him so much.

Try thinking on your own for a change. All you do is quote someone else or talk about ASSASSINATION. You need to get out a little beyond the Democratic propaganda.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Dennis is asking for emails supporting impeachment

he will deliver them to Pelosi

Here you go

info@dennis4president.com

Try, Try again!

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

I declare Buy Danish and Dusty to be Unholy! I stand behind my comment that Ivan defeated the Germans, the Americans and the British were just a diversion to the Germans, a side show. Oppenheimer’s two atomic bombs defeated the Japanese, not American naval and air power. Sure, American troops fought and died fighting the Germans and the Japanese, but so did French, Polish, and Chinese troops. Only Ivan and Oppenheimer mattered in the end. We Americans fought only the weaker third of the German armies, and we would have been delayed by a year in reaching Berlin if not for Adolf’s ill advised Battle of the Bulge offensive. The men, machines, and supplies needed to man the Sigfried Line were wasted in the Battle, such that when American armies reached the Line, it was almost un maned. In the pacific, Japan had been pushed back the Home Islands, but they had not been defeated. Only a grinding land war could do that but for Oppenheimer’s atomic bomb. Oppenheimers reward for saving a million American lives was to have his security clearance removed, and to live the remainder of his life in disgrace - the PentaGoons did not want to share the glory of victory with a mere physicist. Of course, America reaped all the glory and profits from winning the war, but that was due to other factors, specifically that our industrial plant was not destroyed by the war, and the dollar ruled almighty until, until, NOW.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Hey ,I found Sonny’s water plan:

“Georgia to pray, hoping Jesus will stop punishing it:

What to do when the rain won’t come? If you’re Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue, you pray. The governor will host a prayer service next week to ask for relief from the drought gripping the Southeast.”

Repent.

Pat blamed the US for 9/11.

The economy is the #1 issue this cycle.

By mm

November 8, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Headcase at 9:58,

{{{His conservatism lies where it should - economics and national security.}}}

Conservatives cut taxes and then spend money they do not have, ignoring the resulting deficit.

Voodoo Economics

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

{{By IN THE NEWS November 8, 2007 8:53 AM No surprised to see you admit, by ommission, that you are a supporter of Pat Robertson.}}}

Don’t give up your day job Sherlock.

{{{Any assasination targets today?}}}

How the F would I know? Check out the Left wing blogs and report back to us.

{{{By Bosch November 8, 2007 10:06 AM | Buy Danish, Quick question, are you equally outraged at the televangelists methods of collecting “tithes?”}}

Outraged? I am very calm as I demonstrate that Al Gore is running a phony church, er, snake oil scam.

{{{Talk about reaping in the cash! I wonder if the televangelists pay taxes? I wonder if Al Gore does?}}}

Obviously they all pay income taxes, but if you want to play the “Quick! Change the subject!” game, where’s YOUR “outrage” about this local scam artist who sounds just like a Lear Jet Liberal:

The letters mention Rolls Royce cars, overseas bank accounts, private jets and planes, donated jewelry, and in the case of Joyce Meyer, a $23,000 commode.

If a transgression (word intended) is pointed out on your side you never acknowledge it but immediately retort back with _(fill in the blank) does it too!

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Is 10:32 a real nutcase or just PoFo doing his daily bit of rambling? The children do come out to play here. Probably Dennis, IN THE NEWS (RE) or some other dedicated anti-American.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Diary on the Death of the Dollar and the End of the American Lifestyle: Gold futures rose sharply Thursday, as the dollar fell against major rivals after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said the weaker dollar is a key inflation risk. Gold for December delivery rose $9, or 1%, to $842.50 an ounce in early Thursday trade on the New York Mercantile Exchange. “Oil-induced inflation, dollar and credit crisis risks are likely to keep the gold price at elevated levels in the coming months,” said Mark O’Byrne, director at Gold and Silver Investments Ltd., in a note

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Dusty

There may be enough words to describe you:

a*, birdbrain, blockhead, bonehead, boob, bore, buffoon, butt, chump, clod, clown, cretin, dimwit, dolt, donkey, dope, dork, dumb ox, dunce, dunderhead, dupe, easy mark, fair game, fall guy, fathead, goat, gomeral, gomeril, goose, halfwit, idiot, ignoramus, illiterate, imbecile, innocent, jackass, jerk, lamebrain, laughing stock, lightweight, loon, lunkhead, meathead, moron, nerd, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, numskull, oaf, omadawn, ownshook, pushover, sap, schlemiel, silly, simpleton, stooge, sucker, turkey, twerp, twit, victim

By the way, I knew what you expected me to say, that’s why I said it!

I just wanted you to show us that you weren’t interested in Pat and his candidate.

and you did exactly what I wanted you to do!

(I also know what your next post will be so don’t bother)

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

MM @ 10:38 — I think the Repug Party can also be called the “Charge-N-Spend Party”… they want to keep charging and spending at the same time as “lowering” taxes for the wealthiest Americans. They are very un-American with their destructive tendencies…

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Rudy:

Why don’t you make Robertson your running mate?

He ought to bring at least a couple of hundred votes your way.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Dusty and Buy Danish are fanatics, and as such expect everyone else to also be fanatics. Wrong again, uh, ladies: Some of us are REALISTS, we deal with the real world, not the propaganda put out by the repukes and the dummycrats. You know the saying about Reality? Deal with reality, or reality will deal with you. Now go read another political blog and leave reality to those of us equipped to deal with it.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe Al Gore is following Cheney and Bush’s leads. I wonder if we follow the money in businesses that Bush and Cheney will be involved in after they are no longer in the White House, I wonder how much of their wealth will be attributed to foreign oil? It will be interesting to see, huh?

Hell, that would be interesting to follow the money and analyze those connections now, oh, but we can’t, executive privledge, I forgot. How convenient for Bush and Dick.

I know we disagree on these issues, but where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and Bush seems to be in the middle of a lot of smoke.

By Prophetess Kelley P

November 8, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

My Mega-Church is hosting a “Pray for Traffic Relief” prayer service in two weeks.

Cost of admission to this Prayer event is $150.00. Donating above that could help you in traffic. A $1000.00 donation could have Jesus holding a few lights green for you. A $10,000.00 donation gets you a Jesus ride along blow up doll for the car pool lane. A $25,000.00 donation gets you a ride to work one day in my limo. Hell, for $50,000.00 I’ll pick you up in my helicopter.

Can I get an Amen?

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

So I guess the answer to my question is, no, you aren’t outraged at the way the televangelists collect tithes?

I’m not trying to defend Gore or what he’s doing, and if I knew more about that little Lear Jet Salesmen story, I might be just as outraged, but your one-sidedness in all things, Buy Danish, just makes you look hypocritical.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Try taking out all the maybes and ifs and let’s see if you have a point to discuss. The smoke might also rise from a firestorm of left wing lies.

It appears that you’re just using your usual dodge of never discussing the issue raised, but deflecting and changing the subject. Kind of like Buy Danish pointed out to you at 10:41.

Executive privilege doesn’t apply to personal finance, by the way, and their tax returns are public record.

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Here’s a hilarious video called Bush on global warming

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Amen Prophetess— I’m surprised the Repugs are not promoting a “War on Traffic” these days, to go along with their War on Terrrrr, War on Drugs, War on the Middle Class, and War on Xmas…

By getalife

November 8, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

“Intensive questioning works. If I didn’t use intensive questioning, there would be
a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is. Intensive question has to be used. ”
— Rudy the 9-11 w*******, apparenbtly confessing to torturing suspects,

This liar had one mob conviction and it was done by legal wiretaps.

Check his facts, he lies more than w.

Yea, run Rudy.

Kerik should be indicted today.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

{{{{In fact, when Sarkozy declared in the House chamber that a nuclear Iran was unacceptable — a significant number (though by no means a majority) of Democrats did not rise with the rest of the audience for the standing ovation that ensued. That’s right, a couple dozen members of Congress are more dovish than the president of France on a pressing matter of international security.}}}}

Look at these POS liberals, they are against the idea of Iran not getting a nuclear weapon.

I guess they must be hoping for someone to finally nuke our arrogant as-ses mor maybe destroy Israel?

Where do these scumbags get off, openly cheering for our enemies?

Maggots all.

By Left eyes wide shut

November 8, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Take a trip down memory lane.

1989 Rev. Al Sharpton Arrested to Face Charges of Stealing Funds

Where there’s smoke there’s Al reving up and the dems never learn.

*October 2, 2007 — The Rev. Al Sharpton has cut a deal with the state attorney general that will require his National Action Network to turn over several years’ worth of delinquent tax filings by the end of the month, he said yesterday.*

*The group is also at least four years behind on submitting similar filings, called Form 990s, with the IRS.*

*Federal and state laws mandate that tax-exempt organizations make these filings available to the public to show how the money is spent.*

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Who can blame any rational Repug from feeling embarrassed by the Giuliani-Robertson alliance??? What’s next: Romney being endorsed by David Duke??? Or McCain being endorsed by Ted Haggard???

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

I’m going to go out on a limb and announce that the following is the winner for stupidest comment of the day today. I don’t even think Polly could top this.

Congratulations Bosch!

{{{{I’m not trying to defend Gore or what he’s doing, and ———>if I knew more about that little Lear Jet Salesmen story, I might be just as outraged<————, but your one-sidedness in all things, Buy Danish, just makes you look hypocritical.-by Bosch}}}}}

By getalife

November 8, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Kerik Indictment on Tax and Corruption Charges Imminent

Rudy would pardon him and make him AG.

The best part of Pat endorsing him is it has splintered the wingnut vote.

Yea, run rudy.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Good morning fellow blogging Americans!

John in Tampa, fortunately I scanned through all of the posts and read yours about strange bed fellows.

You beat me to the punch, man!

But as John Lennon said, these are strange days indeed, mama.

Thanks for all of those illuminating quotes, ITN. I said yesterday that one could fill a small book with the immoral rantings of the fraud, but I must confess I had forgotten most of them.

I have to wonder now that this highest priest of the GOP orthodoxy now endorses Rudy, if it will cost him the nomination/election.

As a RINO/”liberal” Republican, Rudy will be counting on the “Reagan Democrats” and independents and their cross over votes who would not otherwise vote for Clinton. Or in open state primaries, like Georgia, those Dems, etc. who would not otherwise vote for one of the more distasteful neo-cons.

But now, knowing that the fundies and Robertson apparatchicks will probably support Rudy en masse, the centrists may just vote for one of those other odd jobs in order to keep “the best chance of beating Hillary” Rudy out of the race in Nov.

And then they’ll vote for Hillary, over Rudy or any of the other GOPers anyway to keep the religious reich out of the White House.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

{{{I might be just as outraged, but your one-sidedness in all things, Buy Danish, just makes you look hypocritical.}}

Bosch,

Since I am not defending the televangelists that Grassley is investigating how am I “hypocritical”???

I am pointing out that Al Gore is running a church and that Al Gore’s Global Warming Scare Language sounds a lot like words ITN quoted for us from Pat Robertson.

For the record, Al Gore’s scam is far, far more sinful because not only will he will profit from this phony carbon trading scheme, he and his acolytes want to raise taxes on everyone else to pay for these “carbon offsets” - something which hurts the poor and middle class.

Indeed, I’d also keep my eyes peeled for attempts to pass new regulations which would force Big Business to purchase these carbon kickbacks, uh, credits.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

I love being a homosexual.

Wingnuts can’t stop what can’t be stopped.

Geez.

By luckovichisaheadcase

November 8, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

All of these screeds just confirm what I already suspected, you libs/socialists are SCARED of Rudy. You also don’t have much confidence in Mrs. Stalin, woops, Clinton.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Thanks RW,

I’m glad I could oblige.

Just a little honesty about the abuses in the Republican party, and a little consistency in your outrage would be a nice change.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Goldie and Prophetess, let the “WAR on everybody” begin! But for sure, lets start with those sandy heathens!

In a news release on his campaign website, Rudy Giuliani is quoted as saying he is “encouraged” by the endorsement of Pat Robertson, chairman of the Christian Broadcasting Network. “His experience and advice will be a great asset to me and my campaign,” said Giuliani.

In 2002, Pat Robertson said that Muslims are “worse than the Nazis.” President Bush, to his credit, said: “Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans.”

Then Secretary of State Colin Powell echoed the president’s remarks when he told a State Department audience, “This kind of hatred must be rejected.” The director of the American Jewish Committee called Robertson’s “Nazi” comment “outrageous.”

On his “700 Club” program, Robertson has repeatedly defamed Islam and Muslims. He called Muslims “satanic,” claimed the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, is “fraudulent” and said Islam is “a monumental scam.” Robertson also called the Prophet Muhammad “an absolute wild-eyed fanatic, a robber and a brigand…a killer” and said the goal of Islam is “world domination.”

He called Islam the “religion of the slavers,” claimed Americans who convert to Islam exhibit “insanity” and said he would be wary of appointing Muslims to positions in the U.S. government, including judgeships.

In announcing his endorsement of Giuliani, Robertson referred to the “bloodlust of Islamic terrorists.”

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

getalife:

have you ever dealt with Alexis?

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Is “outrage” on your word-of-the-day calender today?

I would love to see you find even one example of my being dishonest about a Republican abuse. Would you like to try?

By getalife

November 8, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

“I’m comin out!”

A classic by Diana Ross.

My favorite.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

John in Tampa Fl,

I wish I could be Alexis.

What’s your point?

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

{{{Just a little honesty about the abuses in the Republican party, and a little consistency in your outrage would be a nice change.}}}

Bosch,

Here’s the difference:

You bring up conspiracy laden hypothetical scenarios about something that you hallucinate might happen vis a vis Bush and Cheney in the future.

We have brought up scandals that are actually occurring right this very minute by Nobel Prize and Oscar winning preacher of the apocalypse, Al Gore.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

i have had alot of run-ins with her. I think she is off her nut.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

{{{In announcing his endorsement of Giuliani, Robertson referred to the “bloodlust of Islamic terrorists.”}}}

Blowhard,

If you don’t like the word “bloodlust” what would you call it, you funny word smith you?

Oh, and regarding all the times Robertson uses comparisons of Islam to the Nazis, how many times have conservatives been called “Nazis” right here at MLs?

Where’s the outrage!

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

PF,

Stop wanking, I know you are happy about gay bill the House passed yesterday but give it a rest.

The Senate is voting to override w’s veto on the water bill.

It will pass.

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

14 gop Senators voted with w.

79-14 w lost.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Bosch 10:06

[[I wonder if the televangelists pay taxes? I wonder if Al Gore does?]]

A subject near and dear to my heart. Examine the finances of many of the political multimillionaires – particularly in the Senate – and you’ll see perfectly legal tax evasion so often it’ll make your head spin. The topic hasn’t received much traction here – many Reps dismiss it as rank hypocrisy and move on (I’ve just been waiting to use the words “move on” when referring to Republicans) and most of the Dems completely ignore the issue or counter with “oh yeah, well what about Republican so-and-so.”

Sen Kennedy says he pays taxes. Sure. On his Senate salary. But from the Kennedy trusts – from which much of the day-to-day living expenses of the extended clan are paid – nope.

Same with many of the others. Remember John Edwards walking right into it in his debate with Cheney? Where J criticized C over Social Security and C said “Well, John, when you got those multimillion dollar payments on those personal injury lawsuits, you set up a corporation (C named the type of corporation) so you could evade paying $800,000 in Social Security taxes. Now, all across America are average wage earners who have to make up the taxes you evaded.” That was a great zinger moment.

George Soros has oodles tucked away in offshore (Caribbean) accounts. The only reason is tax evasion.

Same with Reps. I’ve listed Dems only because many accuse Reps of pandering to the uberwealthy at the expense of working America. So, these examples seemed fitting.

Notice how all the talk of tax “reform” never includes the schemes our honored wealthy representatives use to shield their wealth from tax? BTW – another stereotype buster – what was it, last year? - the Cheneys donated three-quarters of their income to charity. When asked, he avoids the topic.

Bosch 10:20

I think that idea may come from many the impression many here have of being told what they believe, even after they explain that, no, that’s not what they believe. Rather like someone hearing “well, Episcopalians really worship the Pope and the Archbishop is just a front to spread Catholicism.” When you reply “not exactly” you then hear another ludicrous charge. Happens on both sides, BTW. The DNC really does take orders from the Trilateral Commission, you know…

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

{{{{{79-14 w lost.}}}}}

getalife,

You mean President Bush really isn’t a dictator and the Constitution remains in place and working?????

Imagine my surprise that you loons have been wrong all along. /sarc

By Paul

November 8, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Goldie 10:48

I think that’s why so many of them abandoned their Party last election. They’re gonna be a long time rebuilding that breach of trust.

Buy Danish

From late yesterday’s Ramirez cartoon – the blog shut after your last post –

I just thought you’d love the absolute irony – when some discuss that scenario they say “But that will NEVER happen!” This crystal ball-gazing from people who ridicule charismatics like Robertson because he believes in prophecy. Rather funny, that.

Link: An effective alternative to waterboarding

By ON THE AIR

November 8, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Obama attacks personal responsibility. Pass it on to Washington.

*Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama offers a personal account of growing up without his father in a new ad airing on South Carolina radio stations that target black listeners.*

To fix the problem, Obama says, “change the ways of Washington to bring jobs and better schools and health care to America’s forgotten places.”

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Don’t you just love the blowhard Code Pinkos telling you how great they are but doing absolutely nothing to back it up?:

{{{{“I wished I would have been asked first,” the waitress, Anita Esterday, said of Clinton’s decision to insert her in a speech. “I wish she would have asked if she could talk about me later. I didn’t like it when someone called me up and said Hillary Clinton is talking about you. It’s like, what’d I do now? What’s she saying?”}}}}

{{{{Esterday said. “I mean, nobody got left a tip that day.”}}}}

The multi billion dollar tight wad.

This is going to be easy.

By Don't blame the mussels

November 8, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Southeast drought not just about mussels

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, for the first time under king george.

The Congress worked together for the people down here and won.

The Louisiana reps did well and got the money w promised but then vetoed.

Plame was right, he is never a man of his word.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

If it’s such a scandal, why isn’t it on the front page of every newspaper in this country?

Liberal media?

Let’s say for one minute that I agree with you, that Al Gore is making a profit from his message, through some kind of “church,” how is that any different than what Pat Robertson does?

And while we’re at it:

I “bring up conspiracy laden hypothetical scenarios about something that you hallucinate might happen…in the future”

Do you mean like this?

“I’d also keep my eyes peeled for attempts to pass new regulations which would force Big Business to purchase these carbon kickbacks, uh, credits”

Al Gore doesn’t have that authority.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Another Rudy uh oh?

Rudy Giuliani and the consulting firm he founded, Giuliani Partners, have been tight-lipped about their clients, but one has been revealed as a Middle Eastern government that may have indirectly abetted the 9/11 terrorists.

The Republican presidential candidate has not disclosed that his firm was hired to provide security advice to the Persian Gulf state of Qatar. But Chase Untermeyer, who ended a three-year term as President Bush’s envoy to Qatar in August, told the Wall Street Journal that a subsidiary of Giuliani Partners signed a security deal with state-run Qatar Petroleum around 2005.

In 1996, the FBI went to Qatar to arrest al-Qaida operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, who was under indictment for a plot to blow up U.S.-bound jetliners.

But Mohammad escaped, apparently tipped off by an al-Qaida sympathizer in the government of Qatar, American officials told the 9/11 Commission. Mohammad would later mastermind the 9/11 attacks.

Qatar is considered a U.S. ally, and officials there have denied that they tipped off Mohammad.

But the Qatari government has also rebuffed pressure from the Bush administration to rein in the anti-American rhetoric of Al-Jazeera, the TV station based in Qatar.

Giuliani’s connection with Qatar could prove to be a “potential political pitfall for a candidate pitching himself as an uncompromising foe of Islamic terrorism” according to the Journal.

By JNH

November 8, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

By Goldie November 8, 2007 11:07 AM Here’s a hilarious video called Bush on global warming

Absolutely priceless!!!

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

I think the Congress has got the message and starting to work together.

They have a new immigration bill without amnesty focused on border security.

It a bipartisan bill that both party leaders oppose for corporate welfare but It will pass.

I think w will veto that too making the gop soft on national security.

Anyhoo, they starting to crack down on some Dobb issues and Lou is in a great mood.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

It does no such thing. Bill Clinton is, to the surprise of exactly no one on earth who’s been paying attention for the past 15 years, lying through his teeth.

True, but he does it because your garden variety moonbat(ic)® doesn’t have the intellectual curiosity God gave a mullet.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

On the air 12:18

From your link: “”It’s hard to heal that hole in your heart. I think about that when I see young boys running loose on the streets of our community, without that male role model - without opportunity, hope or direction,” Obama says in the ad.”

So Obama has the fortitude to discuss the personal responsibility of some males in the African-American community which perpetuates a life of poverty for their girlfriends and children - and that’s abdicating responsibility?

So Obama addresses schools and jobs? A life of upward mobility? (you may want to address real wage growth in the middle class over the past while). Schools are funded through local property taxes. Take any middle-to-upper class school district, cut the funding to what some of these districts experience and see what kind of education programs will be offered.

Take a look at where and how some businesses are situated. Look at the people providing the funding, the tax breaks - then look at the few and far between efforts made in some of these communities.

I’ve often wondered - cut most of my education. Have me lose my job, have no savings to fall back on. Lose the house. Spouse leave, leaving me with the kids. No friends or family with contacts in the business community. Toss in a medical disaster. Oh yeah, the copays’ll run thousands. If my policy gets renewed (a grand a month for premiums is a bit dear at this stage).

But people say “anyone can make it. Just pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and get with it.”

Maybe someone could provide the boots so I’d have some straps to pull?

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

{{{Al Gore doesn’t have that authority.}}}

Bosch,

Just when I don’t think you can be any more clueless you prove me wrong.

Do you know what a lobbyist is? Do you have any idea how powerful the EnvirowackCo® lobby is?

As for your question about why Al Gores’ scam corporation is not on the front pages of the liberal media - why do you ask questions that you already know the answer to?

By Hmmmmmm

November 8, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

The Clinton campaign says it thoroughly vets all its individual donors for ties to terrorism and criminal activity. It’s not clear if Mirza and the other Safa-tied donors simply slipped the net or if the campaign was aware of their backgrounds. Calls to her campaign were not immediately returned.

But another Democrat – Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia – was forced to return $3,950 in cash from Mirza in 2002 after the terror-tainted donations were revealed in the press. That same year he also refunded $3,750 to Jamal Barzinji.

Nancy Luque, a Washington-based lawyer for Jamal Barzinji and other Safa directors under investigation, says her clients do not support terrorism in any way, adding that the government is conducting a witch hunt. Barzinji has not been charged with a crime in the years-long probe.

Investigators say Jamal Barzinji also is close to Sami al-Arian – who pleaded guilty to aiding terrorists – as evidenced by documents seized in Tampa, Fla., reflecting direct correspondence between the two.

Two of Jamal Barzinji’s closest business associates – Abdurahman Alamoudi and Soliman Biheiri – are known leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Both men have been convicted of terror-related charges since 9/11. The Treasury now says Alamoudi was one of al-Qaida’s top fundraisers in America.

Earlier this year, Clinton agreed to return some $50,000 in illegal donations from a Pakistani businessman after news broke that the FBI sought him for fraud. The donor, Abdul Rehman Jinnah, recently surrendered to U.S. authorities after fleeing the country. Clinton also has vowed to return $850,000 in dirty cash raised by outlaw Chinese donor Norman Hsu.

During her 2000 Senate campaign, Clinton had to return a $50,000 check from another Muslim leader – Agha Saeed – after it was revealed he backed Palestinian suicide attacks on Israel. She had received a plaque from him at a $500-a-ticket fundraiser sponsored by his group, the American Muslim Alliance.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

{{{{{As for your question about why Al Gores’ scam corporation is not on the front pages of the liberal media - why do you ask questions that you already know the answer to?}}}}}

Buy Danish,

To be fair, Bosch probably doesn’t know the answer to that question. Have you ever seen him type anything that would lead you to believe he could understand anything that wasn’t in a three inch headline?

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

{{{But the Qatari government has also rebuffed pressure from the Bush administration to rein in the anti-American rhetoric of Al-Jazeera, the TV station based in Qatar.}}}

Blowhard,

YOU, of all people, are complaining about “anti-American rhetoric”?

Will wonders never cease.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

I am not oppossed to water torture, just the fact that it is being used only on Arabs and Muslims. The people we should be water tortureing are mostly in Washington, DC. They go by the names Pearlie, Wolfie, filthy Feithie, and Liar Libbie. It would not take long to get the true story about the war against Iraq from those four using just mild torture, but they deserve the most extreme torture available. The four conspired with other neocons to orchestrate the lies and mis information that allowed the invasion and occupation to occur. I say, give them a taste of their own medicine. They have the blood of hundreds of thousands of dead arabs, americans, and others on their filthy hands.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Two of your “gop” members that voted against the override were Claire McCaskill and Russ Feingold. When did they switch to the GOP and if they did why is Harry Reid still majority leader?

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Sterling hits $2.10 as dollar is dumped

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I also know how powerful the oil lobbyists are too.

And you say I come up with conspiracy laden hypothesis - your last post just made me laugh.

So it’s the liberal media’s fault I see that Al Gore isn’t being exposed. Sigh……yeah, no conspiracy laden hypothesis there /sarc/.

So how is Al Gore different than Pat Robertson?

By RE

November 8, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

RW,

I thought god gave mullets to rednecks like billy ray cyrus, not to liberals.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Do I keep hearing a coyote baying at the moon? Or is that just a cow in some far off pasture?

Meanwhile, the cost of the chickenhawk invasion continues to climb:

Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11 percent of the general adult population, according to a report to be released Thursday.

And homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and elderly veterans. Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are trickling into shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help with finding a job.

The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars and says 400 of them have participated in its programs specifically targeting homelessness.

The Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education nonprofit, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.

In comparison, the VA says that 20 years ago, the estimated number of veterans who were homeless on any given night was 250,000.

Some advocates say such an early presence of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless. Advocates worry that intense and repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable.

“We’re going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental health toll from this war is enormous,” said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

wingnuts,

The personal attacks are stupid and makes you look ignorant but I know you have to hate. Lets get real and address the issues if you are able.

Like this BD statement:

“Do you know what a lobbyist is? Do you have any idea how powerful the EnvirowackCo® lobby is?”

This is the corruption Edwards is talking about?

Yes, lobbyists are too powerful, so how to deal with this corruption?

Once you fix this problem, you just might get a government that governs for the people and not the special interest lobbyist group or corps.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Don’t blame the mussels, blame Americans!

From the home of Keith Olbermann -

U.S. a water hog. Americans are among the largest consumers of water on the planet, as they are of oil and other natural resources. The average American uses 373,900 gallons of water a year, seven times as much as the average Briton.

Nowhere in this article do they mention that billions of gallons are released daily to feed the mussels, nor do they mention building more reservoirs.

I guess that would be too much information for the dolts who follow MSNBC to absorb.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Yeah, Edwards is a freaking Saint. Why trial lawyers don’t have lobbyists!

Bosch,

The oil companies actually provide a n essential service that we could not live without.

No one would be any worse off tomorrow if Al Gore’s company was shut down tomorrow.

Later/

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

{{{{{Yes, lobbyists are too powerful, so how to deal with this corruption?}}}}

getalife,

The FairTax.

RE,

You might want to find your nearest evolutionary biologist and tell them you’ve found the first ever transitional evidence. A fish has evolved into a bad hairstyle!!! Darwin must have been right!!!

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Woops. Delete the first “tomorrow” in preceding post.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/08/dude.html

Alex Horton’s blog, “Army of Dude,” represents some of the very best writing on the internet by an Iraq veteran. Started when he was deployed, Alex still keeps the blog updated, with his raw, blunt, and realistic view of what’s happening in Iraq. If you haven’t checked it out yet, it is an absolute must-read.

When interviewed by the Dallas Morning News, Alex said, “Officers and NCOs alike told me they read it and liked it. Even the angry parts. The guys in my platoon told me that I wrote what they’d been thinking” - a sentiment that was confirmed by members of his platoon. That’s what makes Alex’s blog so important - it is the Voice of America’s 21st Century Patriots, which VoteVets.org has been fighting so hard to represent.

Should Alex win Best Military Blog, it will be just more evidence that America doesn’t want to hear spin - they want the raw truth about Iraq from those who served.

Well at least the non neo-con, Bush suck ups anyway.

By ON THE AIR

November 8, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Life is tough Paul. It’s even tougher when Dads don’t leave any boots for young boys to fill. Try that on for size but don’t tell me it’s governments fault. Don’t tell me Washington can fix it.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

That PMSNBC story is even more misleading than you mention. They DO account for the water released for mussels or Al Gore’s canoe trips, but they just throw that into a big total and divide it by the US population to claim we are personally using all that extra water.

How much would our per person average usage be if we accounted for the water accurately?

By Honu

November 8, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Hi RW — thank you for the birthday shout out on Tuesday :-.)

/wonder if seeing my name here will bring that OOT character out of hiding, chastising me for being a Christian…

By RE

November 8, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

anyone see Bernanke’s testimony today?

Poor guy, he got named captain of the titanic 2 minutes before it hit the iceburg.

Funny how these hearings go, imagine if everything you say has to be positive, but you have to tell the truth and most of the indicators are negative.

I have often heard a quote, can’t remember by who the gist of which is that a democracy fails when the mob realizes it can vote itself money it has not paid in to the system. Government spending for welfare and medicaid I am sure will be brought up, but it also goes for defense and war spending. In 2001 when Bush took office, the national debt was at 5.7 trillion, it is now at 9 trillion. that lack of responsibility by the executive and congress is destroying this economy, the US will no longer be the benchmark currency in the world. But that irresponsibility goes back to the voters who elected representitives based only on a pledge to cut taxes, to appease the mob. They did the easy work of cutting taxes, but never the hard work of cutting spending, and then went on an unfunded military adventure financed by loans from china and japan.

But I am sure this election cycle, any candidate reccomending tax increases will lose, we need some grownups running this country.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

On the air 1:08

This is another example of either/or options. Either it’s the person’s responsibility OR it’s the gov’ts. Fault? Both sides contribute to the problem.

This is another example of what I see as shared responsibility. Can gov’t “fix” it? Nope. To me, that’s rather like saying gov’t can “fix” disease. They can’t - but they can fund research and make vaccines available. In this situation, gov’t can assist. They are now - Job Corps, for instance. Rather a second chance . What I see Obama as doing is working on the first chances.

Obama mentioned schools. In most disricts, if one graduates but doesn’t plan on attending college, just what career, exactly, are they prepared for? Answer? None that I know of. VoTech seems less and less popular while many districts keep adding requirements like “four years math, four years science, three years foreign language” to graduate.

No wonder so many kids say “forget it.”

So there’s a lot that can be worked on both sides. Gov’t may not be able to fix much, and people who expect gov’t to fix or take care of them will be sorely disappointed, but gov’t can assist.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

I’ve spent some time today looking at Generation Investment Management.

It seems to me that the regular Gore haters here are doing what they always do. Creating a tempest in a teapot.

He’s doing nothing illegal, immoral or unethical.

The griping about GIM comes from the traditional rabidly radical rightwing.

Actually, after reviewing their website and their goals I’d have to say - YOU GO AL!

Investing green scares the oil monkeys.

Now, y’all wingnuts go right ahead and try to feed off my flesh over this - because all you are doing is attacking a man far more decent, intelligent, informed, active and dedicated than you.

The rest of us need to remember - more now than ever, and certainly more as the election comes closer - that these last 25%ers will say anything and do anything to make good men and women look bad while advancing the likes of Rudy Guiliani.

If they start talking trash about our side - be confident - it is just trash talk. Nothing more.

WARNING: DO NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM BD, RW, RB, ANDY, @@, DUSTY, AS TRUTH WITHOUT DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH. THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN KEEPING THIS COUNTRY IN THE CONTROL OF BUSH FOLLOWERS.

AND WE ALL SEE HOW WELL THAT HAS WORKED OUT!

Generation Investment Management LLP

By getalife ☻

November 8, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Instead of praying with Sonny, shouldn’t you start building water pipelines to where the water is located.

Geez.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Five-Finger Discount - I don’t know where the missing items are, but put our an AMB for one Sandy Berger, he has a reputation for stealing, or no, removing items from government archives.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

DbtM,

Nobody said we weren’t in a drought dumba$$.

getalife,

What I don’t understand is why all you Gorebots aren’t building desalination plants all along the coast. Kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

IN THE FEVER SWAMPS,

Next time you try to speak in your own words try bringing some facts. Al is paying himself for his own carbon offsets making it advantageous to him to have as large a carbon footprint as possible.

Actually you should stick to mindless spam.

By AmVet

November 8, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

ITN, Regarding your 1:23, how about telling us something we don’t know!

Just kidding. Keep it up! Thanks for having the guts to sat out loud what 75% of us already think.

By Gonna Love 08

November 8, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

RW-

Do we hate Al Gore? Geez couldnt tell, i think you and the rest of the Dubya lovers are missing the whole point. Maybe GW isnt caused strictly by man, but the spewing of chemicals and carbon for over the past 100 years probably didnt help matters either. Why are you so hate filled with a guy who is bringing up that maybe there is a problem with the planet as opposed to a president who is hell bent on destroying it??

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Presidential Pong

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

GL08,

Sorry you’re so averse to the truth, but I’m not here to salve your tender sensibilities.

In fact I think I’ll head out for nine holes of eco-friendly enjoyment. I’ll plant a divot for you as a free carbon offset though.

Later!

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

“The oil companies actually provide a n essential service that we could not live without.”

Yeah, that’s irony at it’s best - think of all the people who have died for it.

Look around - if you think the environmental lobbyists are more powerful than the oil lobbyists, you are delusional.

Gonna Love ‘08,

“Why are you so hate filled with a guy who is bringing up that maybe there is a problem with the planet as opposed to a president who is hell bent on destroying it??”

There in lies the problem.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie November 8, 2007 1:52 PM You Neo-con trolls need to stop blaming the poor little mussels for our water shortage— Sonny needs to look in the mirror along with his big developer-cronies and honestly answer who’s to blame:}}}}

Golduh: Almost every drop of water that the Atlanta Metro area uses goes right back into the streams it came from, through the waste treatment plants.

Duh.

I guess you can’t expect a hysteric to understand the basics.

We are releasing from Lanier twice what is coming in, because of the mussels.

So, for you drooling morons, if it wasn’t for us, the mussels would be dead already, since they apparently cannot “evolve” to their environment.

Geez, what idiots you liberals are.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

If you wanted to be honest about the water usage you would blame the people that look the other way while so many single family dwellings are occupied by five and six families.

How would you like it if Sonny actually did crack down on that since it’s a solution that would have immediate positive impact on the water shortage?

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Honu @ 1:18,

That OOT cretin is here already posting as IN THE FEVER SWAMPS.

If you really want to have some fun say something about atheists attacking Christianity and watch RE’s head explode.

By Gonna Love 08

November 8, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, RW ducking the truth, im surprised you didnt supply me with a link from your website like you did last time that was filled with half truths. See the problem is whoever wears the GOP flag you are all for no matter what damage they do to this country. I am not a Gore fan or a GOP or Dem fan, i can seperate fact from fiction, unlike you….

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Toon okay. More true than funny. Sometimes the truth just isn’t funny. So what. Guilliani is polling well. Men like him. Women like Hillary.

Robertson’s political credibility stems from his belief system. He quotes the bible, sermonizes and prays on television. Voters respect prayer. Voters are mesmorized by homilies. Voters get comfort from biblical passages. (This was Rove’s insight into the path to power).

Robertson’s endorsement is a follow-through right cross to the low blows Hillary took from democrats last week. She needs to stay on the canvas for a full 08 count, which happens to be the voter’s attention span.

Hillary needs a writer. Me. Period. With me, Hillary is the next president. I can defeat Rovism. (I read his book!)

Only I know how to counter the zealot ballot’s mallet (legislative judicial activism).

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

GL08,

If you don’t care for any particular party what exactly does your name mean?

I’ll be back to see what dribbled down your chin and onto your keyboard at happy hour.

See ya!

By Gonna Love 08

November 8, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

RW-

Its a play on words from your hero luckodumb who used to sign with Gonna Hate 08….so i use Gonna Love 08 to A) drive him crazy B) because the evil dictator George will be out of office…

By Monica Blewbillski

November 8, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Hillary for President

Obama for VP

Al Gore for Secretary of Interior

Jimmy Carter for Secretary of State

Bill C. for Secretary of Domestic Affairs

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Still desperately trying to surrender to Al Qaeda, even in the midst of victory:

{{{{House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday she would bring a new Iraq measure to the House floor shortly to provide $50 billion in funds for the war, while requiring U.S. troops to begin redeploying out of Iraq immediately and conclude by the end of next year.}}}}

Which side is this stupid bit-ch on?

Blinking idiot.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Good idea RW but we have plenty of water .

When your praying with Sonny, tell him to build them on your coast.

Geez.

By Rick

November 8, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Mike, you misspelled ‘endorsement’ in your ‘toon. Thought you’d want to know.

By @@

November 8, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Well dang, I’m not allowed to respond to ITN’s 1:23 and to think, I was gonna say something nice…not about Gore, I can’t stand that whiny loser (the instigator of America’s great deWIDE errrr divide), but about the opportunities inside the greenie weinie’s initiatives. Oh well……I’ll address it to Paul.

By @@

November 8, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 1:20:

(((VoTech seems less and less popular while many districts keep adding requirements like “four years math, four years science, three years foreign language” to graduate.)))

(((No wonder so many kids say “forget it.”)))

Amen Paul!!!! I would have paid someone whatever they asked for to do some sheetrock work that I’ve spent six afternoons trying to fix. It’s a frickin’ art that I can’t master. I can turn a clay pot complete with handles and a lid on a wheel but I can’t master the fine art of spackling and sanding.

I’ve often wondered why more kids don’t pursue vocational training unless it’s because if you don’t go to college there are those that tend to label a person as dumb. Which side is it that does that now….I’m having a hard time……. Oh yea, anyhoo.

Here’s a good article on vocational training.

Such changes, many of which have repeatedly been proposed by President Bush and rejected by Congress, would mitigate the negative impacts of free trade on the small pool of affected workers. Addressing these workers’ problems would be far better for the economy, and for most other American workers, than sliding toward protectionism.

and look, there’s even potential for the greenie wienies to kill to birds with one stone. Other than offering tax incentives, I would not want to see government involved though. They suck at just about everything they do.

But there’s a larger issue at stake. Unless the green economy is designed to include America’s urban youth, they are bound to be overlooked, shuffled back into the same low-wage, go-nowhere retail and fast food jobs with little opportunity for improvement.

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

You just nevermind about mispelled words in mike’s toon, rick. He won a pulitzer prize. You can spell good.

See the diff?

That’s like the Rainman (I’m an excellent driver) criticizing Dale Earnhart Jr’s driving. Capiche?

Yeah, excellent driver. Yeah.

By Rick

November 8, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Well, he’s won two actually, and I wasn’t criticizing him, just alerting him. I’ll be the first to admit I’m no Luckovich.

By @@

November 8, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Bill C. for Secretary of Domestic Affairs??????

Isn’t Bill Campbell(D) in jail? Oohhhh, you meant William Jefferson(D)…nope, he may be looking at jail time too.

Bill Clinton?

Nepotism in Washington — what a novel idea.

By Rick

November 8, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Well, he’s won two actually, and I wasn’t criticizing him, just alerting him. I’ll be the first to admit I’m no Luckovich.

By Rick

November 8, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post. And GodBlogger… you misspelled ‘misspelled.’

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Well, well, I don’t hardly ever spend much time looking at the toon, but isn’t it nice to see the Atlanta Urinal Constitution with an obvious misspelling of a word so prominently displayed on their editorial page:

Duh “Endorcement,” duh.

Nice catch, Rick.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

@@ 2:54

Thanks for the link. So now we have HS mostly geared towards college prep, minimal VoTech, nearly nonexistent cooperation with industries (local level) to determine what programs could be implemented to supply trained workers, soooo… we have defaulted to trained illegals. Read an article - Mexico - HS programs geared towards “go to work after graduate” - based on - get this - US projections for skilled workers. Programs for cooks (different cuisines - explains why I see so many Hispanic cooks in Chinese restaurants), welding, plastering - hey, even hanging sheet rock!

And we wonder why the illegals are here. And why so many of them do such a fine job.

I’ve written this before, but bears repeating, as your comment reminds me of the story of the guy with a problem with his kitchen faucet. He called a plumber, the plumber scooted under the sink, a few minutes later stood up and said, “All done - that’ll be a hundred and fifty dollars.” The homeowner said “a hundred and fifty dollars? You weren’t here five minutes! I’m a doctor and I don’t make that much!!” The plumber smiled and said “Neither did I when I was a doctor.”

By Kev

November 8, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

The chinese are investing a trillion $ American into other currencies, tell me again how well our economy is doing.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Ha ha ha, I just made a bundle, without trying. A few months ago I decided to buy oil stocks, but I did not want hillary the had to be able to impose a windfall oil profits tax and steal my money. So I look at foreign oil companies. First I looked at Lukoil, it was a maybe, but I don’t trust the Russians anymore than I trust Washington. I looked at Eni in Italy, and Total in France, but they do not have their own reserves in Italy or France. I finally looked at Brazil, at Petroleo Brasileiro, which was selling at 68 bucks a share. I bought some, and kept on buying up to 81.99. It hit 95 recently, pulled back to 92. Today Petroleo Brasileiro announcec an oil find in Brazil of 8 billion barrels of oil, that is enough for 1 million barrels per day of production for 8,000 days. The stock is soaring, and the Hag cannot touch it. Ha ha ha

By Paul

November 8, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

In the news

“Waterboarding is torture” - opinion.

“That car is pretty” - opinion.

“Should be banned” - opinion.

Because? “It replicates drowning.”

Oh. Good reason, I suppose. Same logic by which Human Rights Watch considers separating prisoners inhumane treatment.

So now we have legislation for specific interrogation techniques? Any idea why our esteemed Congressional leaders don’t come up with a comprehensive bill detailing specific acts permitted, specific acts prohibited, exceptions, and the circumstances by which they would be granted? Also the approval authority for such? Oh, this applies only to those who aren’t US citizens, people captured in the US, or those who by their actions have qualified themselves for Geneva Convention protections. That should make it easier.

C’mon - you’ve commented in the past couple of days - I’ll go with “Congress won’t go there ‘cause it’s mostly political, there are a few with firm convictions who oppose and they’ve stated their reasons, but for most it’s just another (nearly worn-out) political sledgehammer.”

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Actually Paul, the war crimes tribunals in Tokyo just after wwii declared waterbording to be torture, and several Japs were executed for that particular war crime. Check the Washington Post from last week.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

The symbol is PBR.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

My dear Neocon, unless you have an offshore account, you’re still required to pay taxes; but congratulations anyway.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

I know you are a little slow paul, so here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html

Kev: Can you say Roth Ira? No taxes.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Since the Washintonpost and the ajc are both owned by Cox, I think its ok to copy the article here. YO ajc, if I am wrong, please just delete this post. Thanks in Advance

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime

By Evan Wallach Sunday, November 4, 2007; B01

As a JAG in the Nevada National Guard, I used to lecture the soldiers of the 72nd Military Police Company every year about their legal obligations when they guarded prisoners. I’d always conclude by saying, “I know you won’t remember everything I told you today, but just remember what your mom told you: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” That’s a pretty good standard for life and for the law, and even though I left the unit in 1995, I like to think that some of my teaching had carried over when the 72nd refused to participate in misconduct at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison.

Sometimes, though, the questions we face about detainees and interrogation get more specific. One such set of questions relates to “waterboarding.”

That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed. The media usually characterize the practice as “simulated drowning.” That’s incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death. That is,

the victim experiences the sensations of drowning: struggle, panic, breath-holding, swallowing, vomiting, taking water into the lungs and, eventually, the same feeling of not being able to breathe that one experiences after being punched in the gut. The main difference is that the drowning process is halted. According to those who have studied waterboarding’s effects, it can cause severe psychological trauma, such as panic attacks, for years.

The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government — whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community — has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Well, gee,

Concerning IN THE NEWS @10:46

I just came back and I see ITN has taken his namecalling list and applied it to me. But.. I guess that I am lucky. He did not call for my ASSASSINATION. That will be next in between his reprints of liberal loco news.

In kindly outreach, ITN, I will give you the latest hot tips for your usual liberal litanies.

Gov. Perdue flushed his camode three times!!! President Bush had fried mussels and eggs for breakfast!!! Cheney has a water pistol without a permit!!!

By liberal standards for conservatives, these are most surely impeachable offenses. See how nice I am to give you the inside “dope”? And you thought I didn’t care!!

By RE

November 8, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

not the first guy in atlanta heavily invested in PBR liquidity

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

The article got chopped, but you can find the rest of it at the above link.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Neo, so sorry to disabuse the illusion, but deferral is not the same as not paying.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Kev, Roths are not deferred, regular IRA’s are deferred. When I choose a foreign oil company over say XOM, it was because the windfall oil profits tax falls on the company’s earnings prior to any dividend. I was not concerned about my personal income tax situation. I did wisely choose to use Roth IRA money for part of the stock. So I got out of the dollar, avoided any potential windfall oil tax profits that could only be applied to domestic oil companies, and made sure the profits were federal income tax free, at least for the Roth ira part. There is a big difference between a Roth ira and a regular ira. You really should learn it.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Geez Dusty, first it’s MASSACRE, now it’s ASSASSINATION; take a pill.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

AT&T Whistleblower: Telecom Immunity Is A Cover-Up-The President Is Lying
Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was — or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded. “The president has not presented this truthfully,” said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. “He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There’s no selection of anything, at all — the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything.” What Klein unearthed — you can read it here http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/et… — points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was “massively domestic” in its focus, he said. “If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn’t want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You’d want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story.”

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Another repug on trial, this time in Florida, for solicitating a BJ in a men’s room.

What the hell are they teaching these guys at GOP school?

When the party tells them how to get ahead and a job, they are confusing the lecture

By Paul

November 8, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Neocons are criminals 3:36

And it’s also been noted that if the Axis won WWII American politicans and military could also have been tried for war crimes.

By your example, anything once deemed a crime can never be changed. “Progressive legislation” on minority and gay rights, marriage between the races cause any reconsideration?

I read quite an account (newspaper) - covered several pages over several days. Followed a local resident whose story was told from his capture in the South Pacific to his experiences on the islands to his transfer to Japan and his experience there. When the camp was liberated he said a major and two enlisted approached him (he was senior ranking) and asked him which guards did he want them to shoot. He pointed out one particularly sadistic guard, the sergeants put him against a wall and executed him.

No letters to the editors calling for trying the fellow as a war criminal. I know you’re a little slow, but that was the same theater of operations in the same war, just to put it in context. :-)

Times change. Standards change. Circumstance change.

3:45 LOL! It was my first Google hit before I got to your 3:45.

BTW - no one was convicted solely for waterboarding. Japan was not a signatory to the Geneva Convention - so we were judging them by our standards at the time.

If you think they were brutal to us, you may want to read “Samurai” by Saburo Sakai. Japan’s leading WWII ace. Their own people got treated pretty rough. By their own people. Bushido was brutal.

So, I suppose we can surmise one specific action to which you’re opposed in handling enemy combatants who are members of groups not signatories to the Conventions. How would you handle them?

By Goldie

November 8, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

E-N-D-O-R-S-E-M-E-N-T.

It’s spelled correctly in the toon printed in the AJC paper.

Just so you know.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime

By Kev

November 8, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Neo. apologies, my confusion and thanks for the clarification.

By RE

November 8, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Wow Paul,

Times change? so that makes what was once a war crime no longer a war crime. and you equate it with discrimiation law.

Are times changing for the better?

By Paul

November 8, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

In The News

Are you Neocons are Criminals? You’re repeating yourself -

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Kev@4:06

What is your problem?

Spelling?

Don’t you use a dictionary? ASSASSINATION and MASSACRE are spelled correctly. Maybe you don’t use “big” words yet.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Nope, not me.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Paul, your logic is faulty, you are using the old -its all relative- argument. This waterboarding crap came out of Israel with the neocons who orchestrated the war against Arabs and Muslims in Iraq. Its what the Mossad does to arab children they capture and label terrorists, without any real proof. Gen Dagan made his reputation picking up arab children in the Gaza for torture and execution, and Dagan is now the head of the Mossad. Waterboarding is just one more piece of crap to be transfered from Israel to America via the NEOcon criminials. May they all be waterboarded in hell for the rest of eternity.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Waterboarding and spying on Americans without a warrant are crimes.

w is like nixon and argues it is not when does it.

Like nixon, w, cheney and addington should be forced to resign in disgrace then face trial.

Period.

By IN THE NEWS

November 8, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Oilboarding

By Paul

November 8, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

RE

Equate it with discrimination law? Of course not. You know better. “Times change” refers to the fluid nature of laws, mores, customs - to argue that standard N was set in this area so it’s sacrosanct rather weakens the argument for changes elsewhere.

Overall, times are definitely changing for the better. For all the ragging on “church and religion” here some of the earliest standards for what we would call “rules of armed conflict” actually began with the Catholic Church - during the Crusades.

Civilians aren’t intentionally targeted. Except by Islamists. Not Islamofascists. Everyone knows they don’t exist. But adherents to an extremist Muslim ideology that calls for torture and killing of nonMuslim civilians of all ages and both sexes to rid the world of infidels. You’ll have to pick out your own noun to describe them.

Munitions have been devised to minimize risk to those delivering them, to more accurately kill those targeted and minimize collateral casualties.

Command and control has been greatly expanded to ensure compliance with rules of engagement.

But ya’ know, we get all these nice, legal agreements in place, and along comes a group that just doesn’t play by the rules. But wants to be treated by the rules. So we need new rules. ‘Cause the old ones don’t quite fit.

Times change.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

No problem here, just letting you know that my CAPSLOCK works too, Dusty.

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You will have to forgive the clueless ‘NeoCons are Criminals’. He not only suffers from a severe case of liberalitis, but has developed antiSemitism and antiAmericanism with a rash of lying. Fever makes him delusional.

Scientists are working on a cure but it is almost an incurable malady. Kinda like that drug resistant staph going around.

Let us hope for recovery without too many scars for the poor fellow. He sounds more pitiful all the time.

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

NeoconsRcriminal, thank you, Allan Greenspan. It’s safe to know that you know nothing about Roth IRAs or Tax implications of retirement plans.

You should know, Mr. Keynes, that I do work for the IRS and would love to see your little contribution to stealth deductions, or would that be embarrassing, sir?

Then stfu, you putrid little pox.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Neocons are Criminals 4:42

Careful with accusations of logic. This is supposed to be all about emotion.

I said nothing of relativism.

Waterboarding came out of Israel? I thought you said Japanese were tried as war criminals after WWII for torturing with waterboarding? Were they Japanese Jews? Or were you referring to pre-Diaspora Israel?

Ah, well, the rest of your post pretty well stated your argument for what it is.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Golduh November 8, 2007 4:43 PM Like I posted earlier today, stop blaming the mussels for our water problems — it’s lack of leadership in reigning in the developers, who have been paving and living in hog-heaven in GA: But the land in the urban U.S. Southeast is increasingly unable to act as a sponge to store the rainfall as it disappears beneath concrete and tarmac. Around 55 acres are paved over in Atlanta each day, environmentalists say.— “Development has taken the place of the natural order. We have lost innumerable wetlands to shopping malls and suburbs,” said Cat McCue of the Southern Environmental Law Center.}}}}

So Golduh posts an article from PMSNBC that is quoted by an “environmentalist” and the Southern Environmental Law Center, yeah, real credible.

Anybody want to bet a substantial amount of money on that 55 acres a day getting “overpaved?” It’s a totally falsified hysterical statement.

And this proves exactly what I said about water being returned to the river:

{{{{But the land in the urban U.S. Southeast is increasingly unable to act as a sponge to store the rainfall as it disappears beneath concrete and tarmac.}}}}

Where does it go to then, dear pinko?

Freaking Duh.

~~~~~~

So who else thinks it just might be Golduh’s job to check the spelling in the cartoon before it gets printed with a misspelling?

And tell us, Golduh, how hard was it to swap out the new cartoon after we found the one with “ENDORCEMENT” in it?

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Kev @4:55

Glad your CAPSLOCK works. I hope your brain will soon do the same. CHEERS!

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 8, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Dusty, you and people like you are responsible for the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands of people, some americans, some arabs, and a few jews. Hell eagerly awaits your arrival.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I am going to Wal-Mart after work. Anybody want anything???

By @@

November 8, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

There was a great article at Stratfor today:

“The Proactive Tool of Protective Intelligence”

They compared it to the offense and defense in football.

(((As any football player knows, action is always faster than reaction. That principle provides offensive players with a slight edge over their opponents on the defense, because the offensive players know the snap count that will signal the beginning of the play. Now, some crafty defensive players will anticipate or jump the snap to get an advantage over the offensive players, but that anticipation is an action in itself and not a true reaction. This same principle of action and reaction is applicable to security operations. For example, when members of an abduction team launch an assault against a target’s vehicle, they have the advantage of tactical surprise over the target and any security personnel protecting the target. This advantage can be magnified significantly if the target lacks the proper mindset and freezes in response to the attack.)))

In other words, know your enemy before he’s close enough to shake your hand or your world.

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Yes, John from Tampa, I’d like some generic percocet.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty 4:56

That was very kind, understanding, somewhat forgiving and hopeful of you.

Face it, Dusty, by the “good vs evil” standards many here employ, you are…

most definitely…

a liberal!

:-)

@@ 5:02

Kinda like the surge?

By Kev

November 8, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Torture is the infliction of pain, mental or physical, upon the helpless; if that is the kind of thing that floats your boat, there’s a special place in Hell for you. Try out your justifications there.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 8, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Difference between a friend and a good friend?

A friend will bail you out of jail.

A good friend is standing next to you in jail.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Kev

That’s a starting point, like describing “pollution.”

By an absolutist reading of your post, Marine Corps basic is torture. Ever read of the day in the life of an inmate of a Supermax facility? Surely they are helpless -

I daresay that methods of interrogation or treatment many here who absolutely, positively are opposed to waterboarding (in the three documented cases, even though the former head of the CIA and the bin Laden unit said the intel gathered saved countless lives and was worth more than all the interrogation-derived intel they’d received prior to that) would sanction would be labeled, by others using the given definition, as torture.

Which explains why they rarely take a stand on what they do find acceptable.

The floor’s open -

By Dusty

November 8, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Paul@5:15

My reputation is ruintttt!! LIBERAL!!! Me!!!!!

But…. since YOU said it…and if I try real hard to remember the honest-to-goodness meaning …all is forgiven. (And maybe I won’t go to that youknowwhere hot place I’ve been sentenced by youknowwho although it might feel good on this cold day in Atlanta!!)

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

John in tampa, with cellmates like you, who needs male prostitutes?

By Paul

November 8, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Ken -

I don’t buy the “Hell” thing. Another invention of the Persians, to my way of thinking.

Hey, isn’t your 5:18 intimidation through the infliction of mental pain? Especially if I was a true believer in Hell?

I survived another torturer on the blog. With no lasting ill effects. Wow.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

When it comes down to the nitty-gritty, both the USMC and Supermax are voluntary, as for information extraction as opposed to punishment, I would think that drugs would be far more efficient.

By raisedanidiot

November 8, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I just gotta type by and say…Classic work today mikey!…you have captured the true essence of neocon insanity, and you have pat’s caracature down…well, Pat!…to Mike @8:43…it just doesn’t make sense dear to support those with opposing views…unless of course you have ulterior motives…most progressives hold their belief systems on a higher ground …ie. blood for oil…not a good trade…keep trying, you’ll figure it out one day dust ball…did i read right? your admonishing others to think for themselves now? that’s great! maybe you can internalize a little of that…it could happen. you fundies really seem to be angry about the robertson bashing today…have you seen yourself in the mirror a little bit maybe? scary isnt it?

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Hell is real. Here’s why. We are constructing as we live. We are constructing heaven and hell as we speak and act and think. Our lives are really just radioactivity. That radioactivity exists in many dimensions and we are powerful beings in all those dimensions. In the afterlife, we have supreme power. Remember, Lucifer wouldn’t have rebeled if he didn’t think he could have won. He took a shot, along with other angel insurgent/terrorists/bathist- diehards who also thought they could win, (or else why rebel?)

No, no, no. We have power in the afterlife, and when we die, if we have failed to earn God’s trust to be set free, then we are shackled in hell through a window of time right after we die when we are unaware of our spiritual powers. Hell is like a contraint upon us for eternity. The Hell is the consciousness snuffed by itself.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Ken 5:38

Good point. Especially about the USMC. And prisoners, if one takes that the actions that sent them there were voluntary.

My understanding is drug-induced information gathering is very, very risky. Risky in the sense of great possibility of physical trauma. Seems bodies react in widely differing ways.

I think if it was effective, timely, we’d be on it as a technique in a heartbeat.

Just so there’s no misunderstanding - harsh measures as a fishing expedition don’t work. Torture as a method to break a person’s resistance may or may not work (what Sen McCain endured - I don’t think anyone would honestly argue what the N Vietnamese did was anything other than torture). Harsh methods - such as waterboarding (which Tenet said worked on Khalid Sheik Mohammed when everything else failed - and it took about 30 seconds, I seem to recall him saying) in very limited circumstances, approved by the ultimate authority in our system of government, under careful oversight, where we absolutely know what we want to find out and we absolutely know the person has the information, and nothing else has worked, and there is a high probability of imminent death of a large number of noncombatants, well, in those circumstances I could live with saying “do it.”

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

We all look scary in the mirror. I can barely stand to look at myself, and I’m a Tom Cruise. Mother Nature is cruel. If you care about your youthful looks you will be miserable every year you live past the age of 16. we are 16 for one year. We are over forty for forty years.

We are supposed to be mature adults most of our lives. Why do we want to act 16 for most of it?

By Kev

November 8, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Paul, my bad, I should have untied you before posting, and so, I shall shuffle off,head hung in shame, to pray for mussels. Oops, I meant water! Besides, God is merely the deification of the Sun, who could I pray to anyway?

By Paul

November 8, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

GodBlogger 5:46

Interesting. I was referring to the whole fire and brimstone thing. Literalism. Strikes me as so… unChristian!

Hey, if (5:51) we’re over forty for forty years, do we die at 80? Or can I be over sixty for sixty years?

By Paul

November 8, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Kev

Thanks for the thought. Some of these discussion leaves one quite tied up.

In high school, during that moment of silence, the teacher answered that by telling the class to pray or not, for whatever they wanted. My brother asked if he could pray for sex. His day didn’t work out very well. From what I could tell, at least in high school, no one answered his prayers.

At least the sun’s reliable. Sun. Sunspots. Gravity. Heat. Global Warming. Hmmm. Pray to the sun. End global warming. Think Gore’ll wanna share the limelight… er, sunlight?

By getalife

November 8, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Kerik indicted.

25% of homeless are vets.

Shame.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

getalife

Lots of those people were discharged for “mental/emotional defect which took place prior to enlistment.” So the military could avoid the expense and trouble of rehab for combat stress.

Immoral. A couple of months ago the - think it was the Army Surgeon General - have to look it up to be sure - told this staff to start with the presumption the difficulties are real and were caused while in service. But there are still too many on the streets.

There should be a concerted effort to locate and treat them. Even if they’ve been discharged.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

It is a national disgrace how vets are treated.

Cons should remember these vets in their pathetic welfare argument.

I was talking to a vet at kos that fights for vets he is disgusted.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Yeah, they’re crazy before enlisting, so let’s give them a gun to kill the terrorists, but now they don’t want to help them. It’s more than immoral — it’s disgusting.

Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting.

George Bush and Dick Cheney must be so proud of themselves. Pigs. Maybe these homeless vets should move into the White House.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Bosch

As someone pointed out - yesterday, I think - a huge number of homeless were vets well before this administration.

But it’s been exacerbated during this time and the war has highlighted.

Every administration inherits problems. The test is, how do they solve them?

On another note - did you read Obama’s comment about Hillary? The 60s generation is mired in the past and isn’t able to come up with new ideas for today? Words to that effect. Anyway - zing! It’s finally getting good.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

It’s always easier to wave flags and hand out medals than it is to pay for the cost of conflict, especially when that cost is human wreckage.

By getalife

November 8, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Can you name one problem w has solved for the American people?

He has created more problems and was a total disaster.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Kev

Amen. And on that note, I think I’ll wrap up this 12-hour day. The last bit has been a good wind-down.

Evening, all -

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The Iraq veterans who are homeless —come home homeless, that’s disgusting.

By Luckoduh

November 8, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Paul November 8, 2007 6:40 PM As someone pointed out - yesterday, I think - a huge number of homeless were vets well before this administration. But it’s been exacerbated during this time and the war has highlighted.}}}}

Paul: No kidding.

It’s the libs trying to politicize the issue, they couldn’t care less about the Vets, it’s a get Bush anti war thing to them.

Clinton had his homeless, believe me, they spent much of their time “sheltered” under the rug.

Besides it’s the Houses job to enact spending, and maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t the dumb as-s libs in charge of that?

Duh.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

WTF is this server doing now???

Bosch,

The percentage of the homeless that are Iraq and/or Afghanistan vets amounts to about .002% of the homeless. Maybe they should move to Plains, but I recommend they not perch under a bird feeder.

By the way, if anybody has the print edition you can clearly see that mikie had a C in endorsement and added a tail to it. Check out other esses and it’s plain that he was too lazy to even erase and re-scribble.

By Gonna Love 08

November 8, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

You are wasting your time with these non informed morons. If this was the 12th century they would be of the opinion that the world was flat. There is no helping these folks. They wouldnt know the truth if it bit them in the rear end, unless Karl Rove told them, then it is gospel….Oh and you wont find 1 thing w has solved for this country until next January, when the problem of himself will no longer be around…

By Kev

November 8, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

On a lighter note. John in Tampa, do you know the problem with political jokes? Sometimes they get elected. LOL. Later days y’all!

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

RW,

Nice of you to make so light of the subject. That’s still too many. Nope, not Plains, the White House or the dome at the Capitol - it’s time to bring these guys and gals home.

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Wait, Paul, I’ve still got some comments to blog, I’m not finished, I’ve only begun to blog, it’s not fair, wait everyone, my typing fingers are still itchy!!

Uh, I think that the political punditry practiced by the proletariat is perfunctory and pointless. I cant believe I just said that. I also dont know what it means.

I’m an excellent blogger, yeah, and excellent blogger…..

yeah

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

GL08,

Don’t let evil dictator George get you tonight.

.

BOO!

.

BTW, if he was a dictator we wouldn’t be electing his successor next year.

By Paul

November 8, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Okay, I saw the three in rapid succession -

getalife - time’s short. But I’ll offer he started off on the right foot after 9-11.

Like I said before - look carefully at who the candidates pick as their key advisors. As we’ve seen, this is critical.

Bosch - and a lot of them thought they had a home until they were discharged. I don’t see how some of those case workers sleep at night. The emotional walls they put up must be impervious.

Luckoduh - one would think if there was one issue, just one, on which the political posturing would end and both sides would work together on a no-brainer issue, this would be it.

So yeah (back to you, Bosch) - anyone can introduce a bill. Or hold a hearing. This seems like a good candidate.

RW-(the original)

I wasn’t looking at percentages. Homeless will be a perpetual problem. But for those who volunteered to serve, willing to sacrifice their all so we can talk with each other like this, express views as we do - we should pull out all stops to aid them in their physical, mental or emotional injuries.

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

I don’t have time to add them up right now (even using the handy dandy F4 feature) but I bet there are at least 100 comments about water boarding here today.

3 people get water boarded, at least one confesses and the Libs go crazy!

It will be interesting to see how many comments there are about the great Hugo Chavez tomorrow from the Libs, now that he’s been shooting protesters and all that.

By Kev

November 8, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

ByD, I didn’t realize evil was quantifiable, thanks so much.

By GodBlogger

November 8, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

I’d like to use the 4F’s on Buy Danish!

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Amen. I don’t think those people are human, therefore they don’t need sleep. I mentioned something weeks ago about a new generation of homeless vets we’ll see - the mental stress of these soldiers are being seen now (sooner than what we’ve seen in Vietnam) - think about the problems we’ll see for years to come.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

It isn’t time to bring our troops home and rob them of the victory they are achieving. If leftist clowns would get behind their mission and honor them as the heroes they are they wouldn’t be shunned by jacka$$ liberals and have to feel ashamed of what they’ve accomplished.

I’m not about to listen to a lecture from a holier than thou moonbat like you over who supports and doesn’t support our brave soldiers or as you call them “guys and gals.”

By Buy Danish

November 8, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Oh jeez, I just saw Bosch’s 6:58. That is the weakest anti-war argument I’ve seen yet.

By Bosch

November 8, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yeah, you just make jokes about them.

I’m not about to listen to a lecture from a holier than thou sanctimonious wingnut like you over the same thing.

Your heroes in this administration and the idiots in Congress need to get off their asses and give them the support they need here at home - that’s the measure of true support, a true measure of what they think of their mission, they need to finish the job.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I have heard that same argument that Bosch used at 6:58 from lot’s of otherwise intelligent people too so it’s not just isolated to idiot liberals that spend all day posting BDS induced psychobabble on blogs all day.

They just say “it’s time” like the fourth quarter ended and it’s time for pizza. Frankly if that is becoming a prevalent mindset in America we’re screwed as a country.

By RW-(the original)

November 8, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

I guess I touched a nerve with the little pr!ck.

Yes Bosch, I agree that the idiots in Congress need to get off their backsides and do something.

Didn’t you hear? YOUR PARTY controls both houses of Congress and all you can do is vote on non binding resolution after non binding resolution over how to surrender the fastest.

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