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By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, November 1, 2007, 10:12 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

Well, so much for the Bush is a liar crying jag:

{{{{In the Oval Office, without saying whether interrogators use waterboarding, Bush said, “The American people must know that whatever techniques we use are within the law.”-Urinal}}}}

He’s telling you to your faces, morons.

He could have lied about it, bill Klintoon style and then just did it anyway, but he is being honest about their interpretation of the Constitution.

So now it is a matter for the Courts, not a bunch of whining pinko grandstanders:

{{{{If Democrats want to strip the CIA of this tool, then they ought to legislate it openly, not make law under the table through the confirmation process. Congress has twice had the chance to ban or criminalize waterboarding, but it declined to do so in both the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006. And not for lack of trying: In debating the Military Commissions Act, Ted Kennedy offered a detailed amendment that specifically prohibited waterboarding, as well as other coercive interrogation methods; it lost on the Senate floor, 46-53.}}}}

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Just further proof of how much liberals hate America and do not want to see us become strong and prosperous:

{{{{Safety issues at Alabama nuke plant- Screaming Front Page Urinal Headline}}}}

No one has ever died from Nuclear Power in the United States, no one.

Nuclear Energy does not pollute the environment.

Nuclear Energy does not kill coal miners.

I’m sure this story there is more to this story than the urinal has printed and we will never see a follow up to it, because it wasn’t news in the first place.

But all of the numbnut, mindless goony liberals, the stupid target audience of the AJC, will remember the screaming headline and will whine and moan on cue when they hear the word “nuclear.”

And the coal miners keep dying.

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Isn’t it just amazing how much the Atlanta Urinal Constitution hates the most successful black woman in history?:

{{{{Rice to scold rebellious diplomats- Washington —- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is trying to quell a revolt among U.S. diplomats angry over attempts to force foreign service officers to work in Iraq or face dismissal.-Urinal}}}}

Of course the libs put the ugliest picture of Ms. Rice they could find next to the article.

I c

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

[The ‘Good Germans’ Among Us …..By any legal standards except those rubber-stamped by Alberto Gonzales, we are practicing torture, and we have known we are doing so ever since photographic proof emerged from Abu Ghraib more than three years ago.](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/opinion/14rich2.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this

Bush’s torturers follow where the Nazis led

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 2, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

good toon ML. SPIN SPIN SPIN

Be careful tho, the way things are going that could be YOU on that rack soon.

By Georgia 74

November 2, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

Great toon, I love when the homo wingnuts get all tizzed up early.

By Rovespierre

November 2, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Do we hate Amerika more, or Alkaka more? That’s some deep sh!t. Now, amerika won ww2, but how long can we surf on that wave? Alkaka did 911, but how long can Bush surf on that wave? So, we liberals have decided that we should order our Sec. of Defense to attack Alkaka and destroy them in Afghanistan. What? The Sec. of Defense refused to attack? Why? What? He doesn’t like the fact that the CIA has Alkaka pinned down? He wants all the glory like a modern day Custer. Isnt that treason?

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Lucko bloggers — only 21 more days before the War On Christmas officially begins! Be sure to chastise all those retail stores that don’t greet you with a hearty “Merry Christmas”!

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Rudy, running for Waffler-in-Chief, has an opinion of water-boarding: “it depends”:

“It depends on how it is done; it depends on the circumstances; it depends on who does it. I think the way it has been defined in the media, it shouldn’t be done. …”

A vote for Rudy is a vote for Bush III!

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Listening to Democrats like Ted Kennedy sanctimoniously whine about water boarding is torture. He, of all people, should keep his trap shut about this particular topic.

ITN,

If it’s good enough for our Navy Seals to use as part of their training, its good enough for Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

According to you libs the war on terror is nothing but a bumper sticker and we can’t use the Patriot Act, renditions, water boarding, or military force and you want us to close Gitmo.

Why don’t you tell us what we can do.

Thanks in advance.

By @@

November 2, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Due to the poor quality of the cartoon image, I read it differently.

“I wouldn’t call it torture ID, call it height enhancement” and thought…

Hillary “stretching it” during the the debate.

It must have been “torture” for her supporters to watch her “reach” for a response that would sell to the public.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

The War on Christmas is already in full force in the U.K. thanks to the Labour Party. Like the War on Terror, this is a war that is being fought on many fronts.

Christmas should be ‘downgraded’ to help race relations says Labour think tank.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

My Experience With Abusive Interrogation Tactics

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 2, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

With all the torture and abuse heaped on arabs and muslims by the neocons, the laws of physics dictate and equal and opposite reaction: With each new abuse, the strong and powerful odor of mendacity that clings to all neocons grows stronger and stronger. Even now, women and small children cannot stand to be in the same room with Stinky Pants Dick Cheney, Dicks even stinker Wife - old double ugly, or the stinkiest one of all, the State Department Odor Monger. Where will it all end, as Dicks neighbors have now taken to driving to the local garbage dump to get a breath of fresh air.

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Before Dubya became America’s banana republic dictator, we never condoned torture and we never tried to change the rules about what constitutes torture — it’s un-friggin’ believable that Americans are even having to debate this issue!

Question: Who will be the beacon of light for the rest of the world, now that it’s no longer America? China? Russia? Sweden? Iceland?

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

[we found that the standard interrogation techniques found in the US Army Field Manual 34-52 were far more effective than such abusive behavior as stress positions, sensory deprivation, and humiliation.][http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/policy/army/fm/fm34-52/toc.htm]

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

The Neo-cons want us believe that America has to stoop down to the level of the terrorists in order to win their “War On Terrrrr”…

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 2, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Goldie:

The beacon of light should be AMSTERDAM. Think about it, they are so buzzed they don’t have the desire nor the energy to bother anyone else.

By Betty

November 2, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I know you think you are hot stuff and all around here but that does not give you the right to plagiarize other peoples work.

“Un-friggin’ believable” is Buy Danish’s line. Please do not use it in the future.

By Shawny

November 2, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

The Washington ComPost thinks Mukasey should be confirmed. Not good enough for you, Lucko?

By Shawny

November 2, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

8:58…”We never condoned torture”. Boy, are you naive!

It simply never made headlines. There were bigger fish to fry than putting the bamboo shoots to mass murderers.

8:44. “Waffler in chief”. hmmm, sounds like Hill is perfect for that job. Where exactly does she stand on anything, except “Bush should have…”. Pretty good Monday Morning QB, perhaps, but any real substance in those pants? Methinks not.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush: We Do Not Torture! (Yeah, Right)

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

{{{Mr. Giuliani’s remarks were criticized by Human Rights Watch. Jennifer Daskal, who specialized in counterterrorism for the group, faulted him for suggesting that “sleep deprivation is a joke.”}}}

“Perfected by the Soviets, sleep deprivation is one of the cruelest, most painful forms of torture,” Ms. Daskal said.

Call the Waambulance!

I’m still waiting for ITN’s ideas on what is acceptable since the Libs b*tch about every technique we use to gather intelligence.

By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it just amazing how much the Atlanta Urinal Constitution hates the most successful black woman in history?:

{{{{Rice to scold rebellious diplomats- Washington —- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is trying to quell a revolt among U.S. diplomats angry over attempts to force foreign service officers to work in Iraq or face dismissal.-Urinal}}}}

Of course the libs put the ugliest picture of Ms. Rice they could find next to the article.

I care not what a person says about themselves, I judge you by your actions. And once again, here are the liberals backing up their inbred, pathological racist hatred.

POS.

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{{{{Jed Babbin: Back in 1977, then-President Carter said “We’ve reaffirmed America’s commitment to human rights as a fundamental tenant of our foreign policy.” Ms. Clinton said in an article she wrote in Foreign Affairs just a couple weeks ago, she seemed to be channeling Jimmy Carter. She said, “We must once again make human rights a centerpiece of US foreign policy and a core element of our conception of democracy.” Would you disagree with that? Are you going to have a foreign policy under a Thompson administration that basically puts human rights over everything?}}}}

{{{{Lazy Fred T: First of all, I have no idea what she’s saying.}}}}

{{{{ JB: Most people don’t.}}}}

This is going to be easy.

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{{{{This is the second time in a week that Bush publicly condemned the 11% approval rated Congress for their lack of action on important national matters. He ended yesterday’s brief session by saying he believes in 50 years an American president will speak at Heritage and say, “Thank God that generation that wrote the first chapter in the 21st century understood the power of freedom to bring the peace we want.”}}}}

I guarantee, the history of the Global War on Terrorism will have more stories of battles we had to fight against the Koward Code Pinkos then it will skirmishes against Al Qaeda.

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

jimmy carter thinks the US tortures routinely?

“I don’t think it. I know it,” Carter told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

“Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights,” Carter said. “We’ve said that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo, and we’ve said we can torture prisoners and deprive them of an accusation of a crime to which they are accused.”

Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights.

we should just offically withdraw from the geneva convention! we torture in direct violation of it. the world KNOWS that we torture and are proud of it. In that same situation any one of our troops would without hesitation be tortured because any enemy would expect the same!

sure our troops are officially less safe because of the republicans decision to abandon basic elementary human rights… but BUSH is so smart that he’s got to know what he’s doing, right?

By Shawny

November 2, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Where does she stand? Read here, though I warn you, you still will not know.

By Shawny

November 2, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

To go with that Carter statement, “For the first time in my life…”. Riiiiight.

How old is that irrelevant fossil? And we have never done that kind of stuff before? Idiot.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

RE,

If you’re out there, yesterday you were whining that Bush was issuing Administrative Orders that you falsely claim violate the Constitution.

Do you know what the Dems are up to (other than shameless political pandering)?

I wonder how Hillary would react to a letter like this if she actually made it into the White House.

By sugar glider

November 2, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

It’s disgusting how the liberals exaggerate the use of torture in order to flame the administration at the expense of our troops.

Business as usual.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 2, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Yo Buy Danishshit: Torture is not gathering intelligence, although I can see how a dim witted person such as you could confuse beating people senseless with gathering intelligence. Torture is more of a sexual perversion, and as such fits right into the profile of a neocon, or gwb, or old stinkypants dick cheney.

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

If she makes it?!?!?

you fool, don’t spout off too harshly about her!

these brand new extreme executive powers you people are now providing her with will surely be used even more excessively.

speak out the loudest and you’ll be the first one of your people to get shipped to camp gitmo. You’ll be lucky to only get water boarded!

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

[BUY DANISH……….During the latter days of the Cold War and the quite warm days of the first Gulf War, I served in the United States Army as an Interrogator (MOS 97E). As a graduate of the Interrogation program at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center and School, Ft. Huachuca, Arizona, I received comprehensive training on acceptable interrogation techniques, as well as training in adherence to the Geneva Conventions. But it’s not that training that produced my firm conviction that torture and “coercive interrogation techniques” are ineffective intelligence gathering techniques. It is my experience using such techniques myself, as an instructor in resistance to interrogation. Working with US and NATO troops as part of a program called “Survival Evasion Resistance Escape” (SERE), I used these techniques on our own and allied troops. SERE training prepares soldiers, airmen, and commandos most likely to be captured for a worst-case scenario. It helps them learn how to avoid jeopardizing missions (and the lives of their brothers in arms) by resisting abusive treatment and harsh interrogations. As a quid pro quo for providing this training, the interrogators involved were also allowed to hone their own skills, using doctrinally-approved interrogation techniques as well. Even when working with such elite troops as the US Special Forces and the British SAS, we found that the standard interrogation techniques found in the US Army Field Manual 34-52 were far more effective than such abusive behavior as stress positions, sensory deprivation, and humiliation. We obtained more information – and more reliable information – with our basic skills than we did with even days of harsh treatment. As an interrogator, it was also critical to keep in mind the reliability of the information being obtained from a source. When the subject was convinced (or even tricked) into cooperating, the intelligence gathered proved to be reliable. On the other hand, it quickly became evident, even in my early days of resistance training, that when subjected to harsh treatment, the tendency is indeed to say whatever the subject believes will make the abuse stop. And that, I learned, is generally not the truth. – Peter Bauer](http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/policy/army/fm/fm34-52/toc.htm]

By Truthman

November 2, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Calling all Chairborne Rangers and lovers of the Chimperor’s War for Oil in Iraq:

Andi/@@/RW/Zell, Condi needs you!

Since y’all LOVE W’s war so much, why don’t YOU FOUR call the State Department and tell them you’d love to work in the Baghdad Embassy.

As usual, you won’t have to actually fight, but you’ll be right there to give support and comfort to our brave men and women EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF EVERY DAY!!!

DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY, OR ARE Y’ALL AFRAID OF WITTLE OLD BAGHDAD?

By Truthman

November 2, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Calling all Chairborne Rangers and lovers of the Chimperor’s War for Oil in Iraq:

Andi/@@/RW/Zell, Condi needs you!

Since y’all LOVE W’s war so much, why don’t YOU FOUR call the State Department and tell them you’d love to work in the Baghdad Embassy.

As usual, you won’t have to actually fight, but you’ll be right there to give support and comfort to our brave men and women EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF EVERY DAY!!!

DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY, OR ARE Y’ALL AFRAID OF WITTLE OLD BAGHDAD?

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

New Iraq policy prompts angry words at the State Department

This makes me sick to hear State Department officials whining about going to Iraq.

One official stated, “that is a potential death sentence and you know it. Who will raise our children if we are dead or wounded?”

Why don’t they ask people who are raising the children of dead soldiers?

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Good morning all!

And let me be the first to wish everyone a Merry Xmas!

Goldie, you’ve got the “compassionate” “conservatives” foaming at the mouth already and it’s only 9 in the morning!

I vote for Iceland as the new shining beacon on the hill! I mean with all that geothermal energy and all.

As for condoning and supporting torture of enemy combatants, it is just one more of the countless topics on which the Neanderthal neo-cons are wrong. But, at least they are consistently wrong!

I watched the President’s talk to the Heritage Foundation yesterday and thought, “Wow, the guy does have good speech writers.”

If one were under a rock for the past few years and heard that speech, they might think, what a great leader and man of vision this guy is.

Not knowing of course, his abominable track record in the Oval Office over the past seven years.

And IMHO for him to lament and blame the US Senate for endangering our national security by holding up the decision on the new AG was just shameful.

I mean here’s the guy who has already trotted out the disgraced Alberto Gonzales and the surreal choice of Ms. Sycophant in Charge, Harriet Myers, for the US Supreme Court!

But I suppose that only in places like the Heritage Foundation do the dunces buy into this GOP claptrap.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Spambot ITN,

You can stop cutting and pasting now. I want your ideas on how to win the war against the Islamofascists who want to kill as many infidels as possible, and sentence the rest to a life of Dhimmitude.

What are we allowed to do?

If you can’t answer this question in your own words then perhaps it’s time for you to STFU and STFD.

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Carter is more relevant and respected around the world than your hero GWB will ever be.

Bash Carter all you want, he’ll be remembered as a good man, which, in my book, is better than being remembered as a good president.

Your hero, GWB, will be remembered as neither a good man NOR a good president.

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

bosch, Dubya has already secured his legacy…

not just of being the worst US president in history, but being a petty murderer, torturer, and destroyer of the constitution.

his war on the constitution has made anything that every vetern, POW, MIA, KIA has fought or died for meaningless.

every last person that died for our freedom is turning in their grave… this man is a criminal and anyone that remotely likes him is equivelent to the “unknowing” germans who “had no idea” about the mass murder of the jews at the death factory just outside of town.

republican = murderer

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Karen Hughes’ Uphill Battle

Poor Karen, when she quit years ago, she should have stayed home.

I think the Republicans are grooming her to run for Senate or something. She’s a smart lady too.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

BUY DANISH

””“”“What are we allowed to do?”“”“”

My words aren’t near as good as the US ARMY FIELD MANUAL.

I ASSURE YOU, NEITHER ARE YOURS.

By Soft on Drugs

November 2, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - New federal sentencing guidelines for crack cocaine offenders went into effect Thursday, lowering the recommended sentencing range for people caught with the drug.

It takes a REPUBLICAN administration to get ‘SOFT ON DRUGS’!!!

Next thing, they’ll make public homosex acts and kiddie rape legal so they can further reduce their legal bills!!!

By Wag the Dog

November 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush’s agenda these days is not subtle: Blast Democratic lawmakers for ineptitude. Then find a way to do it again.

Just another effort to ‘Wag the Dog’. When you have NO POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, the only thing left to do is try to divert attention from your own FAILURES!!!

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

So the neo-con gauntlet has been thrown down and all ITN does is link to some quaint US Army manual?

What next? Referencing the US Constitution in lieu of op ed pieces?

Or dragging out that tired and outdated First Amendment?

Torture for everyone I say!

By Oughta be Ashamed

November 2, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush sought to save Michael Mukasey’s troubled nomination for attorney general Thursday, defending the retired judge’s refusal to say whether he considers waterboarding torture and warning of a leaderless Justice Department if Democrats don’t confirm him.

His mommy must’ve told Boy George that if the big, bad ole Democrats won’t play by his rules, he ain’t allowed to play at all.

Bad ole mean Democrats, pickin’ on a ‘special’ kid that can’t defend hisself. They oughta be ashamed!!!

By B.P.O.E.

November 2, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

You people don’t think the threat against CHRISTMAS is real????? Well it is. It is very real. If we don’t stop the threat, CHRISTMAS could very well end up being CHRISTMAS past.

Here’s my terrible CHRISTMAS story…

Last year I was walking into one of the neighborhood Super Wal Mart’s, standing next to the shopping carts is this very feminine looking guy that was obviously a Mexican illegal alien. It was the WalMart greeter! Good Grief!

Anyway, next to me as I was walking in was an 18 year old illegal alien and her 4 kids, ages 3 month, 1 year, two years, and 3 years old. She looked pregnant. This lady a walking food stamp machine

As this lady and her Grady kids were walking in the Illegal Alien Greeter said to her in this girlie sounding voice “Felix Na david.”

I admit I got all hostel and in his/her face. “This is AMERICA” I shouted. “Its Merry frigen CHRISTMAS, Comprando?”

He then put his hands on his hips and said “I am verrrry sorrrrrry sirrrrr” His r’s were all drawn out and everything.

I’m not doing any CHRISTMAS shopping there this year, but will still buy my guns there.

Anyone else have any anti-CHRISTMAS stories?

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

ITN,

As I noted, some groups even complain that sleep deprivation is torture. However, the question is not only about what interrogation techniques are permissible,

You Libs whine about every freaking tactic we use to gather intelligence and act on that intelligence.

What are we allowed to do beyond passing around a bag of marshmallows around the campfire?

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

What’s amazing about this stupid lib debate on torture is these moronic sociopaths act like Bush himself invented the technique some time last year. He didn’t. It was legal during the Klintoon administration, but was never used. Maybe if Kintoon had taken the threat from these people seriously and actually done something…. What am I saying “threat”?? They bombed us repeatedly during Klintoons presidency. That’s not a threat any more is it?? Anyway, just another episode of BDS.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

What’s amazing about this stupid lib debate on torture is these moronic sociopaths act like Bush himself invented the technique some time last year. He didn’t. It was legal during the Klintoon administration, but was never used. Maybe if Kintoon had taken the threat from these people seriously and actually done something…. What am I saying “threat”?? They bombed us repeatedly during Klintoons presidency. That’s not a threat any more is it?? Anyway, just another episode of BDS.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

AmVet

Did you see anything in the ARMY FEILD MANUAL about roastin marshmallows?

By Navy Seal

November 2, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

As a former Navy Seal i can assure you that Waterboarding is not part of the training. I dont know where you get your information but you are dead wrong on this issue….

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

By Buy Danish 10:18 AM

BD, they don’t just whine about every technique used, they also whine if the intelligence gathered isn’t good enough. They sit back in their easy chairs hiding behind their PC screens telling our intelligence people to do it all with one hand tied behind their back and the other in a sling, and oh, by the way, don’t make any mistakes or we’ll bash you for that too.

Unbelievable…

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

It’s a metaphor for worthless diplomacy jackass.

I’m still waiting for your plan. I’ll make it easy for you.

Give us just three things we can do that meet your approval.

1, 2, 3.

Go!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

OK, libs, it’s quiz time today. Here’s your first question of the day…

Who said… No. 1: “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” A. Karl Marx B. Adolf Hitler C. Josef Stalin D. None of the above

By Paul

November 2, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

In The News 9:37

Too many generalities and “single train of thought applied across the board, here.”

Much said “torture doesn’t work” then experts cited. In general sense, generally true. In certain specifics, generally not true.

Doesn’t generally work: taking people with no knowledge of background, apply torture to see what you’ll get.

Doesn’t generally work: applying torture because the society doing so enjoys it.

The two above are what generally happens, what Sen McCain and other Americans were subjected to. The North Vietnamese were fishing. And as a society, they approved.

Generally works: very restricted circumstances, are absolutely positive individual has information desired. NPR discussion yesterday: number of enemy combatants subjected to waterboarding: approx 30. According to ex CIA Chief Tenet and the head of the CIA bin Laden team: absolutely worked. Information gained from sheik Mohammed - more than gained from all other interrogations. The specific method was waterboarding.

Is waterboarding torture? That’s opinion. If so, those opposed should be petitioning DoD and Congress to absolutely bar the practice from certain military training programs. Because we do it to certain of our own military.

Will use of such techniques cause Americans to be tortured? Irrelevant. Since signing the fourth Geneva protocal - 1949 - Americans have never been afforded Geneva Convention protections by those with whom we are at war. Even in most nonwar actions.

Should discussion be on, not the method, but the specifics circumstances? Even Sen Schumer recognizes it’s sometimes necessary. First, if. If so, when? If when, how?

And there is a big, realistic difference between public acknowledgement and private practice.

Later -

By sugar glider

November 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

they would complain about giving a terrorist a warm fuzzy if they could use it against bush.

is that in the manual?

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Are these torture techniques legal?

Yes or no.

By BAMF from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

“They sit back in their easy chairs hiding behind their PC screens telling our intelligence people to do it ” said the man chickenhawk to the lady chickenhawk.

By getalife

November 2, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Some reporters had the guts to be waterboarded to see for themselves if it is torture.

They said no doubt it is.

I think w and Mukasey should take the test.

Japan has left Afghanistan and we are alone there like Iraq.

The wingnuts were spewing abour Noel late yesterday.

Hundreds died in that storm you pathetic pos.

It amazing how low they will go, pro death scum.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

OK, libs, it’s quiz time today. Here’s your first question of the day…

Who said… No. 1: “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” A. Karl Marx B. Adolf Hitler C. Josef Stalin D. None of the above

By BS from Here

November 2, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

^^^RB from Gwinnett appears to be the only person here who can’t comment without making double entries and he still calls someone else stupid and moronic in his first sentence. Go figure.

By Gonna Love 08

November 2, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett:

I know the answer

E: George W. Bush

By Ditzty

November 2, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

E. Who cares

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

{{{During the debate Tuesday night, Clinton offered support for Spitzer, saying he was trying to “fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform,” and noted millions of illegal immigrants are in New York at any one time. They should be able to have identification if they’re in an auto accident, for instance, she said.}}}

Maybe Clinton should run for office and do something about the problem. Then she could write some legislation to correct the problem instead of just whining? Amazing. She hasn’t done a D thing since she’s been in office and has the nerve to throw that rock. POS

But she sure can name some buildings!!!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

{{{During the debate Tuesday night, Clinton offered support for Spitzer, saying he was trying to “fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform,” and noted millions of illegal immigrants are in New York at any one time. They should be able to have identification if they’re in an auto accident, for instance, she said.}}}

Maybe Clinton should run for office and do something about the problem. Then she could write some legislation to correct the problem instead of just whining? Amazing. She hasn’t done a D thing since she’s been in office and has the nerve to throw that rock. POS

But she sure can name some buildings!!!

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

ITN, not sure about the marshmallows, but I think I recall a section where the roasting of testicles, while still attached, IS permissible.

But it sure seems like this whole torture topic has REALLY touched a nerve with the far rightists here.

Might it be because it’s one of the few things left that brings them some vicarious pleasure?

By getalife

November 2, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Any American who supports torture and breaking the law, trashing the Constitition are America haters, unpatriotic, criminal enablers, traitors, etc…

Sound familiar?

Except this time it is true.

Losers.

By Been There Done That

November 2, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Goldie (8:58) keep living in your little fantasy land.

“Before Dubya became America’s banana republic dictator, we never condoned torture and we never tried to change the rules about what constitutes torture — it’s un-friggin’ believable that Americans are even having to debate this issue!”

Care to explain how the most effective technique used in Nam was not torture? You know, the one where we loaded 4 or 5 gooks into a helicopter, went up about 2000 feet and asked the first one a question. When he spit in the interrogators face, he was promptly tossed out. By the time the second gook went airborne, you could not shut up the rest of them.

Effective? You bet! Accurate information? Always! Or they went ‘flying’ a day or two later.

How do I know of this technique you ask? I worked the flight line where the CH47 Interrogator, as it was referred to, departed from. 5 gooks get on with 6-8 officers and 3 gooks get off when they landed. It seldom took more than two airborne gooks to get results.

By BS from RB

November 2, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

^^^RB from Gwinnett still can’t learn how to post a single entry but wants us to believe that he/she is brainiac with all the ‘correct’ answers. Go figure.

By It's Official

November 2, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett Is ANDY!

“Maybe Clinton should run for office and do something about the problem. Then she could write some legislation to correct the problem instead of just whining? Amazing. She hasn’t done a D thing since she’s been in office and has the nerve to throw that rock. POS

But she sure can name some buildings!!!”“

Remember this?

By Luckoduh

October 31, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Look at what the dumbas-s liberals think are accomplishments worthy of the presidency:

{{{{By DHIMMI THE NEWS October 31, 2007 4:29 PM A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 201 Main Street, Lake Placid, New York, as the “John A. “Jack” Shea Post Office Building”. (107th)}}}}

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

RB,

Hillary Clinton and it’s taken out of context. She was not addressing the general public, but a group of well-to-do Democrats attending a June 2004 fundraiser for Barbara Boxer. And her statement specifically referred to her desire to repeal tax cuts that had recently been enacted by the Bush administration, which Democrats had criticized for favoring the wealthy.

Source: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

Your lame, a simple google search of that idiot statement showed you are trying to overexagerate the truth about Clinton.

Repeat after me because you may as well get used to saying it:

“Madame President”

By Dusty

November 2, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS @ 10:24

Why don’t you and your superlibs go roast some marshmellows? Aren’t you tired of copying every anti-Bush article you can find and sticking it in our faces? And doing it every day? A bit of originality wouldn’t hurt you.

Be sure and take Goldie aka “Bush did it” and Amvet aka “the geek that stole Christmas” with you for the marshmellow melt.

Remember: Repetition wrecks reasonable rationality. That is something you, Dennis and others never learn.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

By getalife 10:33 AM

{{{The wingnuts were spewing abour Noel late yesterday.

Hundreds died in that storm you pathetic pos.

It amazing how low they will go, pro death scum.}}}

Don’t float your self rightous BS out here like that. You POS libs cheer every time one our soldiers is killed because it fits your agenda. If the storm had turned and hit Florida and killed a few hundred Americans, you would have cheered those deaths too and used it to bash Bush for global warming. And then bashed him if he did show up in Florida or if he didn’t show up. BDS!!!

By Midori

November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Crusty,

why don’t you go somewhere else to fling your stupidity, and stop stinking up this blog with your miserable Bush worship.

Pig.

Idiot.

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

No Dusty,

We’re sick of your constant Bush cheerleading and banal attempts at trying to make a point.

A bit or originality wouldn’t hurt from you either.

We get it, we get it, you hate libs and all we stand for. You think we enable the terrorists, you think we don’t support our troops, etc. etc.

Blah, blah, blah.

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Yeah, a weeny roast!

And the plump neo-cons are the weenies!

Torture, torture, torture…

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

RB,

The answer is none of the above and it was said by Hillary Clinton.

That tape should be used by any means necessary by the RNC and her Republican opponent.

Regarding double posts, that refresh thing I suggested doesn’t work anymore. Do not hit the “post” button more than once or your comment will post twice. You need to open up a second window, minimize the window you posted from, then hit the refresh button on the other window.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Who said… “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few … and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

A. V.I. Lenin B. Benito Mussolini C. Idi Amin D. None of the above

By Midori

November 2, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

{{{You POS libs cheer every time one our soldiers is killed because it fits your agenda.}}}}

example, please?

that has got to be Andy.

No one tosses crap like that around so freely.

It can’t be a coincidence.

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

RB,

“You POS libs cheer every time one our soldiers is killed because it fits your agenda”

Show us one example of that from this blog and I’ll eat my sock.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Who said… “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few … and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

A. V.I. Lenin B. Benito Mussolini C. Idi Amin D. None of the above

By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife November 2, 2007 10:46 AM Any American who supports torture and breaking the law, trashing the Constitition are America haters, unpatriotic, criminal enablers, traitors, etc…}}}}

Hey, I got a question for you Code Pinkos, does the Constitution of the United States apply to the whole Earth or just to the United States?

Roosevelt would have shot these POS terrorists, not gave them a face bath.

Ain’t that right, al-Gitmo, you’ve been watching the War, remember how they lined up the scumbags and gave them their last cigarette?

That was the “Greatest Generation,” right?

You are the Cry Baby Generation, waaaaahhhhhhhh.

Maggots.

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Un-friggin’-believable.

Un-friggin’-believable.

Un-friggin’-believable!

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Speaking of racks, the word rack can mean different things.

According to ML’s toon, George Bush and his tribe “has a nice rack.”

But Hillary “has a nice rack” has an entirely different meaning.

U gotta love the English language. No wonder them dang foreigners have such a hard time learning it.

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

RB,

AGain, Hillary Clinton, and if you’d like to post the comment in the context it was spoken, that would be very much appreciated.

Source: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

It was a pieced together from a May 29, 2007 economic policy speech. Here’s the full quote:

“It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an on-you-own society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a “we’re all in it together” society.

Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed. When we get our priorities in order and make the smart investments we need, the markets work well.”

Repeat after me because you may as well get used to it:

“Madame President”

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

{{Effective? You bet! Accurate information? Always!}}

Yeah, and we really suceeded in that “war” in Viet Nam, hmmmm?

So exactly how “accurate” was all that info you gained from torturing your so-called gooks???

By Our Mom's and Dad's

November 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

“We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good”

No a bad idea. No nukes in your basement. No access to hazardous chemicals. No porn on broadcast TV.

Not a bad idea at all. A little self sacrifice for our fellow man.

Seems I’ve heard of a man who preached that - boy did they ever crucify him!

By Our Mom's and Dad's

November 2, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

“It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few … and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity”

Now here’s another great idea.

Where have I heard that before?

A government for the people and by the people.

I would think the truth of this statement is self evident.

I would think any body who objected to it ought to move to another nation.

Perhaps one with no constitution.

By mm

November 2, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

You stupid @ss wingnuts are ruining America’s reputation by supporting torture. America used to be able to take the high road because even if we did torture, we never admitted it.

But now there is proof of this illegal activity and you idiots are openly supporting it.

Yeah, let’s torture one of these extremists. I’m sure he will spill the beans about the camel attack at 1800 hours.

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. —- Fyodor Dostoyevsky

i ask the fascist conservatives here…

is it or is it not wrong to use torture? (whatever your warped mind actually believes is real torture)

By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

{{{{People who’ve studied Mrs. Clinton often ask why her ethical corner cutting and scandals have not caught up with her, why the whole history of financial and fund-raising scandals doesn’t slow her rise?}}}}

Cause of her army of as-s kissers, that’s why.

Duh.

By Been There Done That

November 2, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Bosch (11:09) “replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

Sure does sound like the philosophy of Karl Marx and the play book for socialism.

Goldie -11:10 – The question that I would ask is ‘how many American lives did it save’?

However, the point I was trying to make, which I guess was above your level of comprehension, is that America has use ‘less than honorable’ interrogation techniques for a long time. It did not start with Bush, nor will it end with his successor.

Bad thing happen in wars. Bad things happen to our enemies as well as to our men in uniform.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

US grudgingly acknowledges fewer Iran-made bombs in Iraq

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you. — Friedrich Nietzche

~~~~~~~~~~ Isn’t Mit Romney’s recent quote about how he is willing to destroy ANY civil liberty in order to keep us “SAFE”.

But i thought “We hold these TRUTHS to be SELF EVIDENT”

meaning that we shouldn’t have to fight to keep these rights, they should be a given in our society.

The rights every war in this land has fought to protect thrown out without a seconds regret by the GOP.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ heres a good question for the true americans in this room…. given the average fascist conservatism…

which is less, their foresight? their patriotism? or their humanity?

By moonbat betties

November 2, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

mm/terry,

first, define torture and while you’re at it, tell us what you would be willing to do if an al queda op. was captured that had specific information about an attack that would kill your family.

bam da lam

By Dusty

November 2, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Well, the subject de jour is “torture” or how to get rid of Judge Mukasey.

The magic word, of course, is “torture”. Twist it all around. Bright lights=torture. Dripping water on face=torture. Lack of sleep=torture. Lack of chocolates by Jenny Craig=torture. Stretch racks=torture. Bobbing for apples=torture. Bamboo under nails=torture. Paying taxes=torture.

Now, take Macasy and quiz him on every one of these “tortures”. Don’t give specifics, just generalizations. If he does not answer correctly (in true liberal mode) then he is neither gentleman nor jurist. Off with his head!!!cries Pelosi.

Then they approve the judge after “torturing” him. Ah ha!!

But one more question. Is bosch Midori or is Midori bosch? There doesn’t seem to be much difference….

By Terry Sciavo

November 2, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

no the question is… take whatever your warped mind truly believes is torture… true torture…

is it wrong for us to perform it?

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

{{Goldie -11:10 – The question that I would ask is ‘how many American lives did it save’?}}

Been There Torturer— why don’t you supply a link for us to all see “how many lives did it save”??? It’s always good to quantify answers like that, yes?

So please do share that info with everyone — gracias!

By Dusty

November 2, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

This is torture!! I can’t spell the judge’s name correctly. Mccasey?Mucasey?Mukasey?? Ah well,”a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” Yes…

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 2, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Goldie - Been There Torturer gets his information from S & M websites. I am sure he can provide you with the web addresses of his favorites.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

It should be obvious by now that within the legal definition of torture, as used by the administration, waterboarding as a practice is not torture. Reason? probably much like distinguishing between murder, premeditated murder and manslaughter. Equating all killing with murder is inappropriate. There’s a lot of reliance on the “lasting effects” aspect in the definition.

The discussion seems to imply the practice (waterboarding) is endemic. It’s not. It’s not done by the military. It’s done with the oversight of the Agency’s inspector general and legal staff.

So I’ll toss out that while torture is different from harsh interrogation methods (anyone here ever been “interviewed” by small-town cops about 25 or 30 years ago? Some of those practices would be labeled by many here as torture), that torture is morally wrong. But there are limited instances when that which is morally wrong is necessarily right. And instances in which not to employ methods which are morally wrong would be to commit a greater moral wrong.

It’s the old moral development discussion leadoff: Is stealing wrong? If so, does one let one’s child die rather than steal medication to save the child’s life?

Dealing in absolutes poses numerous quandaries.

Diane Rehm show, yesterday, audio clip at the link.

The Senate Judiciary Committee has asked President Bush’s nominee for Attorney General to clarify his views on whether a technique that simulates drowning known as waterboarding constitutes torture. We discuss new questions about harsh interrogation techniques and the definition of torture. Guests

Scott Shane, reporter, New York Times

Elisa Massimino, Washington director, Human Rights First

John McLaughlin, former acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency; senior fellow at the Merrill Center for Strategic Studies at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS)

Lee Casey, lawyer in private practice and former staff director of the Federal Legal Counsel in the Justice Department during the Reagan and first Bush administrations

Ken Robinson, former intelligence and special operations commander

Link: The definition of torture

By Tech Support

November 2, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

RB/BD That won’t work. To fix your double posts you have to: 1. Pat head while 2. Rub tummy while 3. Stand on right foot while 4. Hit Post with left big toe while 5. Singing “I’m a little teapot”

Wait a second……………..

Nope that won’t do it.

Try hitting Post, wait 5 seconds, hit the stop button, the back button, and then the comments link.

Works everytime!

By Georgia 74

November 2, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument.-William McAdoo. This what your up against when you argue with wingnuts.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR DEFINITION OF TORTURE IS

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Breaking News: I’m a f^cking idiot.

By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm November 2, 2007 11:15 AM You stupid @ss wingnuts are ruining America’s reputation by supporting torture. ——>America used to be able to take the high road because even if we did torture, we never admitted it.<——- But now there is proof of this illegal activity and you idiots are openly supporting it.}}}}

There you have it, the whole standard operating procedure for Code Pinko.

No problem with torture as long as you SAY that you don’t torture.

Women are equal to men unless, of course, men “attack” women then it is “piling on.”

During the day, various libs whine, moan and shriek about the government “spying” on them but at night, they spy on their political opponents.

Racism is the most horrible and awful crime that has ever been perpetrated in the History Of The World and it is a wonderful weapon to wield against Conservatives when they start scoring points in your as-s, but it has nothing to do with smearing the most accomplished black women ever in America, cause she’s a wingnut and therefore is open to discrimination.

Homosexuals are great and nice people and we need their votes, but we call Conservatives fa-gs as though we find the act to be quite disgusting.

Judging you by your actions, maggots.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

“An aide to the prime minister of Canada called President Bush a moron. Well that’s not fair. Here’s a guy who never worked a day in his life, got rich off his Dad’s money, lost the popular vote and ended up president. That’s not a moron, that’s genius!” —Jay Leno

“The president finally explained why he sat in that classroom on 9/11 for 7 minutes after he was told the country was under attack. He said he was ‘collecting his thoughts.’ What a time to start a new hobby.’” —Bill Maher

“Last night, in a prime-time address, President Bush said he backed limited federal funding for stem cell research. That’s right, the President said, this is a quote, the research could help cure brain diseases like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and whatever it is I have.” —Conan O’Brien

“George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut.” —Dennis Miller

“Bush is smart. I don’t think that Bush will ever be impeached, ‘cause unlike Clinton, Reagan, or even his father, George W. is immune from scandal. Because, if George W. testifies that he had no idea what was going on, wouldn’t you believe him?” —Jay Leno

“When Stevie Wonder took the stage at the Kennedy Center, President Bush waved to him. Realizing his faux pas, President Bush turned to his wife and said, ‘Oh my God, do you think he saw that?’” —Tina Fey. Saturday Night Live’s “Weekend Update

“President Bush made a speech about Homeland Security in front of Mt. Rushmore. There was an awkward moment when Bush looked up at the monument and said ‘Which one is President Rushmore?’” —Conan O’Brien

By getalife

November 2, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Duh,

I’m glad to see that you think homosexuals are great and nice people.

I thought you didn’t like us.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Still with the lame, tired wanking.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

You asked for it, you got it!!

{{{By reebok

October 29, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Let’s see…failed to capture Osama bin Laden - Check! Failed to find WMD in Iraq - Check! Lost control of Afghanistan - Check! Ran up biggest budget deficits in history - Check! 3,900 young Americans dead with no end in sight - check! Mission Accomplished! Guess it’s time to bomb Iran!}}}

If that number was say, 8 dead or 15, would you be using it to make a point, or does it make your point better because it’s higher than that? 1,000 makes a point, 2,000 better supports your position, 3,900 is even better. The higher that number, the better in the mind of a sick liberal. Maybe if you were as upset with the POS terrorists who killed those 3,900 soldiers as you are at W, things would be different. You traitors are forcing our military to fight terrorists on the front and you on the back. Sad….

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

November 2, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

LuckoDuh, says “Isn’t it just amazing how much the Atlanta Urinal Constitution hates the most successful black woman in history?”

You are right, if you are left of center you can’t attack black people because it makes you “seem” racist, while Republicans can attack black people because everyone “knows” they are racist. I mean you’d never hear a liberal saying “isn’t it amazing how Sean Hannity attacks Obama, the most competitive black candidate for President ever?”

Of course not. It wouldn’t make any sense at all as racism from the right is expected. Its just like libs railing against anti-Gay Repubs getting caught giving sexual favors in public bathrooms. Its the hypocrisy that makes it a story. If a conservative makes racist attacks, where’s the hypocrisy? There isn’t any. That’s just consistency.

RWNJIFG

By mm

November 2, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Duh,

You need to go to Oz and ask for a brain. You spin everything to try to backup your demented thoughts.

I did not say it was alright to torture as long as we did not admit it. I said even if it went on we did not admit it.

Torture is wrong. Period. Whether it’s us or them.

And when has a Conservative scored points in the last 6 years? I guess your scoring system gives points for each time the GOP drags America into the sewer.

As for spying, the GOP is the only political party caught spying on another. And who says the domestic spying program is not being used on the Dems.

Rice is a failure.

As for what you morons can do for interogation of prisoners, why don’t you all sit in a room together and spout your wingnut BS for hours on end. The prisoner will surely tell you anything to get way from that torture.

By The Apocalypse

November 2, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG,

Your 1:19 made absolutely on sense. Your refusal to be yourself is causing you to have communication problems dude.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

I have a question for the libs who blog here and I’m not looking for politically charged answers, just honest opinions….

Given the choice, would you fight to the death to maintain the nation we have here, or would you at the point of the sword concede and submit to aggressors? It doesn’t matter whether it’s the Germans, Russians, Chinese, or Osama himself. That’s not relevant. What is relevant is that you would be under the control of another nation.

By Luckoduh

November 2, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Hey, SHrillary Klintoon is posting at the luckovich blog:

{{{{By mm November 2, 2007 1:22 PM I did not say it was alright to torture as long as we did not admit it. I said even if it went on we did not admit it.}}}}

Huh, I guess:

{{{{By mm November 2, 2007 11:15 AM America used to be able to take the high road because even if we did torture, we never admitted it.}}}}

So, dishonesty IS the best policy, eh?

But, of course, Bush is the “liar.”

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

I have a question for the libs who blog here and I’m not looking for politically charged answers, just honest opinions….

Given the choice, would you fight to the death to maintain the nation we have here, or would you at the point of the sword concede and submit to aggressors? It doesn’t matter whether it’s the Germans, Russians, Chinese, or Osama himself. That’s not relevant. What is relevant is that you would be under the control of another nation.

By mm

November 2, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

RB,

You’ve been listening to Rush too long. I’m sure there is not 1 “lib” on this site that would not fight to the death to maintain this nation.

Unfortunately, we are fighting to maintain (or create) another nation in the middle east.

There IS a difference.

Please explain why we would have to fight them over here. Are they going to storm our beaches? I don’t think so. Are they going to parachute in? I don’t think so.

9/11, as with all terror attacks, was isolated. Even with us fighting a war for 5 years, we could have another attack tomorrow. They will sneak into this country. We need to be protecting our borders. And we need to eliminate OBL and his sidekick Mutley.

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

How old are you? Could you possibly be my Philosophy professor from college? I loved that class.

“Dealing in absolutes poses numerous quandaries.”

Nice Paulism there. I couldn’t agree more. That’s been a Boschism as well for a long time.

Or as Obi Wan said in the last Star Wars movie:

“Only a Sith speaks in absolutes.” (You know, Obi Wan said that right before Anakin proclaimed he was the new king of the universe and was going to take over the world - and then Obi Wan kicked his a$$ and he got all his flesh burned off and lost all his limbs and was left as a deformed, deranged torso).

Let’s just say, for me anyway, there are plenty of things that go on behind the scenes that we don’t know about, and to be honest, I don’t want to know about them.

Off the record, I think many of us wouldn’t mind torture so much if, and I’ll give the example RW gave last week, it meant that we were able to find a bomb hidden within a city and millions were saved.

Well, that’s a no brainer there for me.

But, on the record, it is illegal and therefore as a civilized society, we have to uphold it.

Sometimes I think the old saying, “just don’t get caught” is applicable in alot of things. Unfortunately, Bush has taken that philosophy to a whole other, inexcusable level.

By Been There Done That

November 2, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Goldie, just because you do not understand or do not agree, is no reason for name calling.

Nowhere did I claim to agree with the methods used or condone their use. I simply related what I witnessed while on active duty in my younger days. I was simply pointing out that Bush is not the first administration to use or be linked to improper interrogation procedures. Your holier-than-thou attitude speaks volumes about your character.

As to how many lives did it save? If you’re looking for a firm number, I cannot provide that. I can tell you that it altered many patrols that were sent out. I know that on a few occasions that the ambush that was set against the US was turned into a rout for our side. Did that save the 15 men on that particular patrol? I would think yes. Does that quantify ‘how many lives did it save’?

Whether you agree or disagree with the techniques used today does not matter. Ones mans torture is another man’s interrogation.

You nor I, or for that matter, President Bush can control what method is used unless we are present when it is happening. We can only address the method used once we have solid proof that inappropriate methods have been used. It is the congress’s responsibility to provide strict guidelines as to what constitutes torture and what is allowed. Do different situation change what is defined as torture?

Is making someone walk around in their underwear in front of the opposite sex torture? If so, then my drill sergeant was guilty of torture. He made our platoon do exercise in the rain in nothing but our boxers while there were many females walking by.

By mm

November 2, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Duh,

The Bush administration let the cat out of the bag.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Torture is illegal. Period.

The right ignores the criminals breaking the law and trashing the Constitution.

They think w is above the law.

This mindset is unAmerican, unpatriotic, and a good little german mindset.

By Georgia 74

November 2, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

How many years did you fight for this nation rb?

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Leahy will vote against Mukasey.

GFH! (Good for him)

By Ditzty

November 2, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

England- Give up

Germany- Give up

Russia- Give Up

China- Give up

Grenada- Fight

South Korea- Give Up

France- Give Up

Mexico- Give Up

Lichtenstein- Fight

Guatemala- Fight

Haiti- Fight

New Mexico-Give Up

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

By mm 1:44 PM

I haven’t listened to Rush in at least 5 years, mm. I know you think we all get our talking points from him, but the fact is we just “think”.

I think the difference in what you presented and my opinion of what is going on here is the nature of the threat. Our enemy is using our society against us. Storming the beaches won’t work against us, so what will? Exactly what we’re doing. Radical Islam has a goal of taking over the world. While the left has no problem electing muslims to political office, I do. What happens when 51% of our offices are held by muslims? Will we still have the freedoms we have today, or will we have the freedoms “enjoyed” in Iran today. I have no intention of ever “enjoying” those freedoms and am more than willing to eliminate that threat today even if it means taking on Iran and the rest of the middle east. I don’t get the impression you believe that threat is real.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 2, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

TGIF

By BR in Cobb

November 2, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Hey liberals answer this question.

What country would you give therapy to?

What world leaders would you give Christmas presents to?

If you were a Christmas tree, what kind of tree would you be?

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

{{Given the choice, would you fight to the death to maintain the nation we have here,}}

Yes.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Article 3: Contempt of Congress.

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of the President of the United States, and to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, had failed without lawful cause or excuse, to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas. The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President. In refusing to produce these papers and things, Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgement as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by Constitution in the House of Representatives.

In all this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial and removal from office.

(Approved 21-17 by the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, July 30, 1974.)

By Just Say No

November 2, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

This is your mind: 1+1=2, 2+2=4, 3+3=6,…

This is your mind on Bush: %$#+@&%^~>”%$#*&=Klintoon did it too!

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!!!

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

History is repeating itself each time the gop regain power.

Vote gop and this is what you get.

Geez.

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

In response to the question at 1:32.

A veteran — whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve — is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for the amount of “up to and including my life.”

That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

By John in Tampa, FLA

November 2, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Amvet:

low 80’s sunny slight breeze

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Hey BR Cobb— seems like you could use some “therapy” yourself. Why not start with you?

By N-GA

November 2, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I am not very concerned with waterboarding. I am more concerned with those who practice it. We invariably find that when extraordinary measures are authorized, there will be those who abuse the authorization.

The most recent example was the FBI’s admission that they routinely violated the rights of many individuals by abusing the Patriot Act. The U.S. Government has a long history of invading people’s privacy, etc.

Not a simple matter to discuss, especially when there are clear violations of the law. And that is excluding “renditions”. Interesting how our government (acting on information from the Canadian Government) took a Canadian into custody then sent him abroad to be tortured only to find out that he was innocent. Do we (the USA) bear any guilt in this? I think we do!

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Been There Torturer @ 1:49— what is your opinion of Senator McCain?

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

RB,

The answer is none of the above and it was said by Hillary Clinton.

That tape should be used by any means necessary by the RNC and her Republican opponent.

Regarding double posts, that refresh thing I suggested doesn’t work anymore. Do not hit the “post” button more than once or your comment will post twice. You need to open up a second window, minimize the window you posted from, then hit the refresh button on the other window.

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Hey John,

It’s also great here today - sunny and about 70.

I was sad to hear about the significant loss of life in the Caribbean, but was happy that Noel turned away from the US and out into the Atlantic.

By mm

November 2, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

RB at 2:13,

(((Our enemy is using our society against us.)))

You are correct. They have made fear our enemy. Fear has caused us to pass laws that are destroying our society as we knew it.

The extremist Muslims are a small threat, but their numbers are too low to be a credible threat.

So let’s go after their leader in Pakistan. Iraq was not a threat when we invaded. And we’re not gaining anything by staying.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

{{{By mm

November 2, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

I’m sure there is not 1 “lib” on this site that would not fight to the death to maintain this nation.}}}

Bwahahahahahaha. Right! You can depend on an army of Code Pinkos coming to save the day, utilizing their paint covered hands as weapons of force against the enemy.

Besides, it is a false premise that you (and they) want to “maintain” this nation.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

White House Edits ABC News Then Takes it Back

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Senate office building fire is 7th in last month

call FOX, al Qaeda in DC??

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Breaking:
Rice to Face Subpoena in Espionage Case

Wow.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Speaking of water boarding, here’s an ABC News exclusive!

For all the debate over waterboarding, it has been used on only three al Qaeda figures, according to current and former U.S. intelligence officials./As ABC News first reported in September, waterboarding has not been used since 2003 and has been specifically prohibited since Gen. Michael Hayden took over as CIA director.

You useless, pandering moonbats are ready to stop the Attorney General nominee in his tracks over a non issue that he has no way of knowing about in enough detail to comment on in the first place.

Freaking losers.

By N-GA

November 2, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Gold is up almost $15/oz at $805.40. Let me re-phrase that statement: The value of the US Dollar has dropped again, thus raising the relative value of gold proportionally.

Sales of all US automakers have dropped and layoffs are planned. Consumer confidence is down. Retail holiday sales are expected to be below expectations. Gasoline prices are about to exceed $3.00 at the pump. The only question is will the recession hit before the next presidential election, or will the new Democratic President have to deal with it? No matter, the second question will be true in any event.

Happy Holidays!!!

By The Watcher

November 2, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Have to agree with BD

“Besides, it is a false premise that you (and they) want to “maintain” this nation.”“”

The true premise is that we are all ready, willing and able to fight to bring our nation back to where it was 7 years ago.

Beyond that, we are ready, willing and able to fight to actually make this the best country on the planet. (Not just rhetoric, really the best.)

We get rid of the last of the NeoCons, let the real Republicans have a couple of years to get their failed party back together.

We insure the best public education for our kids.

Full healthcare for our citizens.

An ever improving environment.

and peace.

Blessed peace.

Buy Danish, we don’t have to tell you to go to hell.

You have already bought and paid for your ticket.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

{{{The extremist Muslims are a small threat, but their numbers are too low to be a credible threat.}}}

mm, that depends on who you consider to be part of the “extreme” muslim group. The outcry from the “peace loving” masses of the muslim faith hasn’t exactly been deafening now has it? Why don’t you hear them speaking out against the extremist?? And I’m not even talking about the lunatics in Iraq, I’m talking about the lunatics who make up the CAIR orgainization right here in the US.

mm, you and Goldie should probably go ahead and set up your prayer mats. You’ll be praying to allah before you know it (or you’ll be killed).

The threat is real and you are a fool if you can’t see it. If you aren’t willing to fight it now, when do you plan to start?

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Man, I am happy I held on to the family gold.

Wow.

“WASHINGTON — The retired general who served as President Bush ‘s special envoy to deal with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) said the United States has failed to keep its promises to Turkey to confront the Kurdish terrorist group, and Turkey may feel that it has no choice but to attack the PKK’s sanctuary in northern Iraq .

Retired Air Force Gen. Joseph Ralston , in a brief interview, declined to say why he stepped down several weeks ago. But published reports have said that he was frustrated by the Bush administration’s failure to act against the PKK.”

Geez.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

New Democratic President? I hope you don’t have your sights set too high on Hillary being the answer to your prayers.

The Pile On Continues

When Jack Cafferty dumps on the anointed one, things are not looking rosy for the poor gal.

Maybe she could be asked about the value of the dollar vis a vis gold during the next debate! I’m sure she’ll have a straight forward answer to that one.

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

The never-served, never-will neo-cons wring their hands and gnash their teeth and parrot the President who laments and blames the US Senate for “endangering the security of the country” by not rubber stamping his AG choice.

Why do these fools in the GOP pretend to forget that the last time the hero of the Texas ANG trotted out an AG nominee, the guy ended up resigning in disgrace.

And let’s not forget that other amazing nominee of Mr. Bush’s - Ms. Sycophant in Charge, Harriet Myers, for the US Supreme Court, no less.

So the “faithful” just act as if they can’t understand why the nation is so unwilling to believe that this administration is either trustworthy or competent.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

“WASHINGTON - The Iraqi defector code-named “Curveball,” whose false tales of biological weapons labs bolstered the U.S. case for war, wasn’t the prominent chemical engineer he claimed to be and invented stories to help his case for asylum in Germany, a new report says.

ADVERTISEMENT

“Curveball” is Rafid Ahmed Alwan, who did study chemical engineering but made poor grades and never managed a biological weapons facility, according to CBS’ “60 Minutes,” which will broadcast on Sunday a report describing how Alwan became a secret intelligence source.”

That should be great stuff.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Bosch 1:44

You summed it up nicely.

Science fiction/science fantasy is quite adept at dealing with moral issues. One reason I like it so much. I just finished rereading Orson Scott Card’s “Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus.” Deals with the question: what if you could go back in history and change events to prevent one of the greatest (perceived) tragedies - in this case, slavery. But what’s the moral right to do so if, by going back, you would cause all the people who already lived, from that time forward, to have o existence. Then the kicker of the novel: what if, in the course of preparing to change history, you found that another future group had gone back in history and made sure slavery in the Americas took hold to prevent a far more horrible future?

You might enjoy it. It also dealt with the ecological disaster awaiting future generations, before it was fashionable to write about such things in such a manner.

I’ll guess the only reason the nuclear question re. torture is raised is… because that’s about the only “justifiable” option one can put forth. Unless one is in the habit of personalizing issues, in which case the “protect your kids” argument is made.

Really doesn’t leave a lot of exceptions to the general principle (torture is morally wrong), does it?

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Yea, and 60 Minutes is such a wonderful source of unbiased news. I can’t wait…

I sure hope they throw in some Bush created global warming hysteria to top it off.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Rice to face subpoena in espionage case

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

For those of us still undecided, it is much fun to watch the free falling neo-cons practically soil their panties whenever the name Hillary is mentioned.

I am not a big fan of hers and her election would have mixed results for me.

Watching the slobbering rightists go apoplectic certainly has some entertainment value, and that is sure to get even more mileage, but I can’t even imagine the sheer number of zealous new radio talking heads fighting over who hates her worst!!

And the only way I see Rudy beating her (if they meet) is to start blowing up abortion clinics and burning down the homes of gay couples.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 2, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Yea, and 60 Minutes is such a wonderful source of unbiased news. I can’t wait…

I sure hope they throw in some Bush created global warming hysteria to top it off.

By IN THE NEWS

November 2, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

GOP Playbook: When In Doubt, Scream Terrorism

By Paul

November 2, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

N-GA 2:44

Well, hello, stranger! Nice to hear from you again. I’ve been going through a few Rose’s (need another punctuation key, here) - but your recommendations are sterling.

Lots of issues with those who employ violence. It can’t help but have a dehumanizing effect. It is still vivid in my mind - after the fall of the last Peacock Throne - news crews did a story on a government torturer. They showed a metal box - an oven - he would put people in, then turn up the heat and killed them. Then he would go home to dinner with his family. Sickening. But some societies (even here in North America) did such things for entertainment. That’s what happens when the concept of “common humanity” is not developed and people see those outside their tribe as not human. Unfortunately, such attitudes exist in many parts of the world. That’s a key element I think of when I point out everyone is not “just like” us.

Remember the social science experiments from - what - over 40 years ago (remember thru textbooks!) where people would “shock” another person if an authority figure told them it was okay. Sheer abdication of moral responsibility. Same with those who clearly violate the trust of their government positions.

Renditions - what I find troublesome is this was not an invention from the current administration, by a carryover by the bureaucracy of the previous administration. Some seem to take the view of “well, it’s been ongoing, so it must be okay.” Not enough questioning by those incoming along the lines of “you are suggesting we do what?” Equally troubling: the story was there. I suppose the mainline media would say they just didn’t know.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Attention KOS Kiddies! See Hillary waltz

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

“It was a guy trying to get his green card (residency permit) essentially, in Germany, and playing the system for what it was worth,” the program quotes former CIA senior official Tyler Drumheller as saying.”

He is living in Germany and it is time for w to say he screwed up.

Admit it wingnuts, you are gullible and bought into w’s lies like good little germans.

Repent.

By getalife<

November 2, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Repent wingnuts.

Your assualt on my homosexual lifestyle will soon come to an end.

Mind your own business.

Bwa.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Geez.

By Curious?

November 2, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Prescott Bush - Buddies/business partners with the Nazi’s

George HW and George W Bush buddies/business partners with the bin ladens.

The 2 greatest threats to our nation have been buddies with the Bush family.

Makes you think.

By sugar glider

November 2, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to hear the wailing (err.. rioting) from the left if they don’t win in 08.

Since they have already declared victory and all.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

getalife

It appears you have a secret admirer.

Be nice - let him down easy.

By NeoCons are Criminals

November 2, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

OK, some simple oil economics and math: The best refinery technology in the world can only get about 20 gallons of gasoline out of a 42 gallon barrel of oil. The rest is other stuff, like diesel, home heating oil, kerosene, and chemicals, all of which have value. So when oil was say 60 dollars per barrel, a gallon of gasoline should have cost 3 dollars, but was less because the other stuff could be sold. Let us say other stuff sold for 20 dollars per barrel. With oil at 100 dollars per barrel, we can still sell the other stuff of 20 bucks, so that means gasoline should cost four dollars per gallon, plus the crack premium and distribution costs. Get ready for gasoline to jump to four plus bucks per gallon, thanks mostly to the Neocons, with their war talk against Iran, and their occupation of Iraq. Way to go WingNuts.

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

You gotta love the Rocky Mountain state! Lots of tree huggers and not so many neo-cons.

But it turns out the “WAR on Christmas” in Colorado was really a WAR against the JEWS!!! Who woulda thunk it?

{The 17 members of Fort Collins’ Holiday Display Task Force have spent the past few months hammering out exactly how city government should commemorate Christmas, Hanukkah, Ramadan and Kwanzaa, and the solstice, and any other religious or secular celebration that happens to take place near the end of the year. Their recommendations would take effect next year, but task force members tentatively said Wednesday they hope the city starts moving toward a more secular set of winter displays this year.

The task force was created this summer after a heated controversy during the past two years involving a request to place a menorah in Old Town Square. Representatives from the Chabad Jewish Center requested a menorah be allowed on city property just like a Christmas tree was. But City Council decided to prohibit the menorah, fearing that allowing it would open the floodgates to requests for everything from Wiccan symbols to reindeer to Nativity scenes.

CooperSmith’s Pub & Brewing decided to host the menorah last year, but the controversy didn’t rest, so the task force was created.

Its draft recommendations are still being finalized and are not yet available to the public, but at a meeting Wednesday, several task force members discussed what the holidays in Fort Collins will look like.

For one, there will be no city-sponsored Christmas tree nor a city sponsored Hanukkah menorah.}

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I have many times.

This Craig pervert wanker hangs out in airport mens rooms.

He might be this gop freak

Me ♥ the ladies. ☻

By Gonna Love 08

November 2, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Luckodumb says:

“sn’t it just amazing how much the Atlanta Urinal Constitution hates the most successful black woman in history?”

Well it is obvious you dont study history or you would have heard of Barbara Jordan.

Am Vet:

“Why do these fools in the GOP pretend to forget that the last time the hero of the Texas ANG trotted out an AG nominee, the guy ended up resigning in disgrace.”

Bush is not from Texas, he just pretends to be one.. Our state is ready for him to pack up from Crawford and go back to where he came from Connecticut…..

By Delores Druid

November 2, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

I am sick and tired of those foolish, murdering Christians and their war on Winter Solstice!

By Mai Ling

November 2, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

I am sick and tired of those awful christian missionarys and theie war on Dōngzhì

By Ja's Number One Man

November 2, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

I’m sick and tired of the war on Junkanoo!

By Julie S. Seezher

November 2, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Im just sick over the war on Saturnalia!

By RE

November 2, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

getalife,

How could you lead me on like this? I thought we had something special.

If you want to go back to women then fine, I don’t care!

By Goldie

November 2, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Every imagined problem for the Neo-cons involves “terrrrrists” and “war”. Why stop with a “War On Christmas”, which started as a pagan holiday to begin with? Why not also have a “War On The Easter Bunny” too? We can never do enough to stop those darned paganists and their brainwashing tactics, after all. They’re all a bunch o’ terrrrists, correct?

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

Is Hanukkah a Federal Holiday?

What does banning red and green lights accomplish other than show what a bunch of fools there are in Colorado who are obsessed with meaningless symbolic gestures?

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Gonna Love 08, What?

The windshield cowboy is really from Connecticut?!!

Just kidding. I know that he’s as much a Texas cowboy as Ronnie was a California cowboy.

BTW, did you ever see that hilarious skit with Will Farrell leaning up against a fence, supposedly in Crawford, and telling the country about how he was a “rancher”.

Too funny.

By The Evil One Comes

November 2, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

the anti christ will rise from the east.

the east coast.

connecticut.

By Gonna Love 08

November 2, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Am Vet:

I did see that sketch and it was hilarious, i thought Will Farrell did a great job of imitating Bush…

By AmVet

November 2, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Is Hannukah a Federal crime?!

Is a Christmas tree a “meaningless symbolic gesture”?

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? (Hell no!)

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Watch it neo-cons! Santa’s making a list…

By Bosch

November 2, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

I saw that Will Farrell thing. It was hilarious.

Paul,

Good points and thanks for the book suggestion.

By getalife‹

November 2, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Senators Feinstein and Schumer just caved on torture.

Geez.

By Amvet

November 2, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

I’m such a dumba$$ that its not even funny.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Well, I handed it to my wife, she read about 50 pages of it, rolled her eyes and handed it back.

I believe it’s called complementary interests, not identical interests. I cook. She cleans up after. Works for me!

By Paul

November 2, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

AmVet

I was in the Rocky Mountain state years ago on business - near Golden, home of Coors (remember all those college kids who would ice down a truckload of Coors (before it was distributed nationwide), take it back east and make their tuition for the year)?

Anyway, I remember that trip ‘cause I was watching the news in my hotel room and they cut to the Coors brewery - a guy died there on one of those public relations tours. The people had access to places we wouldn’t dream of nowadays. They had the police and ambulances there, along with they guy’s wife, who had gone to pieces. The Coors spokesman was being interviewed and said the tour was going along a catwalk near the huge vats, a couple guys started horsing around and one of them went over the railing, bounced off some pipes and fell in a vat and drowned. The guy’s wife looked at him, crying her eyes out, and asked if he suffered before he died. The Coors guy said “we don’t think so. He got out three times to go to the bathroom.”

By getalife>

November 2, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Would it be ok if I sucked your c@ck?

By Dusty

November 2, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Paul, 4:52

Speaking of cooking and food, would you mind giving me the name of those good fruitcakes again? I meant to look them up on google but didn’t get to it. I’m beginning to get the holiday spirit ALREADY. Thanks.

By Admirably Palsy

November 2, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

you have to give credit when credit is due, and I hesitate, but, Analchord had a bit earlier in the AM about Hillary “Stretching the truth and Torturing the american people” during debates that was so clever. And Funny! Analchord, it deosnt’ matter if people hate your guts and offer death wishes all day long, which is like, So Illegal, (and I suggest you sue), but anyway, you rock, sir. You’re the only reason that I tune in here. I think I can safely say that it’s the only reason any of us non-trolls tune in.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty

The one that consistently gets top reviews is Assumption Abbey. It’s at trappistmonks dot com. That’s the one with walnuts I haven’t tried (allergy).

The other is Collin Street Bakery. They do a very nice apricot fruitcake - very heavy on the apricots and pecans. They are at collinstreet dot com.

Enjoy!

By Dusty

November 2, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Do the letters GFY mean anything to you?

By rushncap

November 2, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Brilliant piece about torture and our government’s attempts to justify it on the Daily Show. Highly recommended. Both funny and poignant. I really do hope some of those f#ckers in the administration fry (no, not literally) for this.

By @@

November 2, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

The “Marigold Revolution” has begun in Venezuela. 3,000 university students protested Hugo’s constitutional reforms and were put down with tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons.

It was bound to happen Hugo.

Iran’s having trouble in its quest for energy independence. It seems the sanctions have created problems in the development of refineries.

Gas rationing has made the natives restless. They’re gathering in the streets chanting “Ahmadinejad should be killed.”

All of Iran’s Arab neighbors are reaping the profits from higher oil prices, but not Iran. They’re gonna have to concede something.

It was bound to happen Mahmoud.

Unfortunately there’s another revolution in what used to be the Kremlin’s Georgia. The bus may be moving.

Breathe!

By gmk

November 2, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Duh, I thought we had a gotten past all of this. Good luck wasting your life blogging away hour upon blessed hour. I honestly wish you well, but clearly there’s just no hope for you.

PSST…nobody cares what you have to say. you truly are an idiot.

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Good one, Dusty. Paul will never be the same. Paul, look man, Dusty reads everything that Cheney says or writes. She even has a man-sized douchebag in her car, just in case.

Paul, you have to be more aware of who the real blogging powers-that-bee-(movie) are.

By getalife

November 2, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Well, McOld said he will vote yes and trusts the new AG to decide waterboarding illegal.

This would make w guilty of breaking the law, so it will never happen.

The dems will never stick together like the gop.

Just another strike on the rule of law.

Geez.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

You notice I didn’t respond to that post? getalife and Dusty both are victims of an admirer who yearns to be in their stead.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

Are you familiar with Janet Jackson’s song “What have you done for me lately”?

By Paul

November 2, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Make that “getalife, Dusty and Paul are victims of an admirer…”

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

No, Paul, the problem on this blog is that 3 people post 89% of the comments. Fact.

Believe it. Know it. Live it.

Puff Pastry

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Glenn, if you say “ad hominem”, one more time….

First, you’re using it wrong. I dont think it means what you think it means.

Inconceivable.

By @@

November 2, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Paul:

The problem with Political Foreskin is that he wants everyone else to leave so he can carry on a conversation with himself.

I think he was trying to come onto himself at Wooten’s the other night. Talkin’ nasty trash….they deleted it because it was so nasty.

He was trying to convince everyone that he had us all fooled — that he was the leader of a cadre of trolls.

I think they live under a bridge somewhere.

He’s lost his edge and dropped off the ledge.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Is luckovich shutting down the blog for Midori’s birthday again?

I know it’s not for a couple days, but Happy Birthday Parrot!

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

I’m not comparing bush to Hilter. I’m not comparing Laura Bush to Teetler. I’m merely saying: “Look what Hitler did. How did he control Germany? The Media. The streets. The folklore, the myths, the prejudices.”

Then look at Rove’s playbook. My God. It’s “Mein Pet Kampf”, the very book W was reading on 911 to the middle-school for Hitler Youth.

Why doesn’t America stand up to this little man; this little, little man.

By Paul

November 2, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

@@

Well, it IS Friday afternoon, and Happy Hour started some time ago… for some…

Dittos, Midori! Have a very, very Happy Birthday!

By Paul

November 2, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Pleasant weekend, all -

By @@

November 2, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Happy Birthhhhhh-day Midori!!!

Don’t drink too much, and whatever you do, don’t ride with Goldie cause she drinks and drives.

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Oprah is in the news. She sponsored an African School for Girls in Africa. One of the staff at that school in Africa abused seven children attending Oprah’s school. Oprah gave cell phones to the students as a remedy. They can call her, she says, anytime if anyone tries anything ever again. Oprah herself is a victim of abuse, you know. So she knew the risks when she sponsored that school for innocent african girls.

Oprah, why didn’t you scrutinize the staff at that school? You are being led by incompetents. I wouldn’t left you so wide open, Oprah. You need me, girl. Go ‘head. Call me.

Here’s your problem, Oprah: if there is anything that a diligent person, making a routine background check, should have discovered in that abusive-staff-person’s past, then you are in for it, girlfriend.

Go ‘head.

Inconceivable. Oprah, you need me. I got game. (plus I’m free)

By getalife

November 2, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Geez, Midori’s Birthday again.

Time flies when you are bashing wingnuts.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

ABC news reported today that a total of 3, I repeat 3, people have been water boarded.

One of them was Khalid Sheik Mohammed and…it worked.

Get over yourself.

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Jim Wooten took the moral high ground in his blog today about contraceptives in the schools. Africa has millions of children dying of AIDS. Africans aren’t doing anything any different that Americans are doing, when it comes to their sex life. We fook! We all just fook. Africans die because propriety constrains precaution.

Americans need to teach sex-ed in middle school.

If not, we’re finished.

By getalife

November 2, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

KSM aka “knuckleball” confessed to everything to get it to stop.

Ask McLoser, he knows.

They are trusting another bushie again.

Pathetic.

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