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By Anonymous
November 1, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
This one’s confusing… Is Mike saying that Obama didn’t come out against Hillary strongly enough, or that he CAN’T attack strongly?
By Luckoduh
November 1, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this
{{{{Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) top advisers, doing damage control after the candidate’s debate performance Tuesday, told supporters on a conference call Wednesday that the campaign needed more money to fight back.}}}}
More money?
Hahahahaha, yeah, that should cure Pig “Woman’s” stupidity.
Geez.
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{{{{Those doubts were heightened late last month in a poll of 9,718 likely general election voters across the country by independent pollster John Zogby, who found 50 percent of them would never vote for Mrs. Clinton under any circumstances.}}}}
I have no “doubts,” hehehehe.
This is going to be easy.
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You liberals are so much fun:
{{{{Wednesday 10/31: Taliban masses near Kandahar- Several hundred Taliban fighters have moved into a strategic area just outside Kandahar, southern Afghanistan’s largest city, in recent days and clashed with Afghan and NATO forces, according to Canadian and Afghan officials. The fighting marked the first time large numbers of Taliban fighters have been able to enter the area just north of the city since 2001.-Urinal}}}}
Sound the trumpets, the lions of the Blessed Taliban are massed for their final glorious assault on the weak and decadent infidel Americans, may god be willing!!
{{{{Thursday 11/1: Troops encircle Taliban in 2 towns Afghan civilians piled belongings onto trucks and fled two villages infiltrated by hundreds of Taliban militants outside Afghanistan’s second-largest city, Kandahar. U.S., Canadian and Afghan troops had about 250 of the insurgents surrounded. The troops killed 50 militants in three days of fighting 15 miles north of the city. Three policemen and one Afghan soldier also died.}}}}
Uh, hey brother, you got some extra room in that cave?
By Sal
November 1, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
No, anon, he’s saying that Hillary is a MILF. That’s not Tigger’s Tail.
By Sal
November 1, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this
The Bigfoot photo: Ugly Yeti….
…or Rosie Odonnel…or, better yet, if that mangy-looking thing was in a limo, you’d think it was a Brittany Spears photo op!
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
HA— love this toon, Lucko! Obama is too much like Tigger to attack his own friend Hillary… he consistently shows composure and good judgment, and does not try to be someone he is not.
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
OK right-wingnuts— it’s time to pay up for your homophobia:
BALTIMORE - A grieving father won a nearly $11 million verdict against a fundamentalist church that pickets military funerals out of a belief that the war in Iraq is a punishment for America’s tolerance of homosexuality.
And dontcha just love how their “family values” teaches their kids to stand on street corners, waving their hate-filled signs???
By Shawny
November 1, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this
Quit censoring me! 3rd post!
FAKE Hillary alert! The result is that it’s impossible to know what she believes about anything.
and
It was not just that her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be issued driver’s licenses was at best incomprehensible and at worst misleading. .
Phony! FAKE! LIAR! “But Bush should have done something about immigration…” nice answer as to her position.
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this
Another “family values-I am not gay-I was tricked into having gay sex- GOP leader” goes down… why don’t the Repugs just pick a day like today and have their coming “out” party all at the same time, and just be done with their self-hating hypocrisy???
OLYMPIA, Wash. - A Republican state legislator who repeatedly voted against gay rights measures resigned his seat Wednesday amid allegations he had sex with a man he met at an erotic video store while in Spokane on a GOP retreat.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
GoldieDummie,
Once again we have to remind you that the “Reverend” Phelps is a DEMOCRAT.
Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won… Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election…According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore’s 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps’ son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser, which Al and Tipper Gore attended, at his home in Topeka.
Moreover his phony “church” is comprised of his Democrat family members.
I don’t know how many times we have told you that but I guess when you’re a brainless wind up parrot it’s impossible to assimilate information.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Cashing In on Terror……………………….Not to stoke any of the inane conspiracy theories running wild on the Internet, but if Osama bin Laden wasn’t on the payroll of Lockheed Martin or some other large defense contractor, he deserves to have been. What a boondoggle 9/11 has been for the merchants of war, who this week announced yet another quarter of whopping profits made possible by George Bush’s pretending to fight terrorism by throwing money at outdated Cold War-style weapons systems. ………………………………Thanks to bin Laden and Bush’s exploitation of “war on terror” hysteria, the taxpayers have been hoodwinked into paying for a sophisticated military arsenal to fight a Soviet enemy that no longer exists. The Institute for Policy Studies calculated last year that the top 34 CEOs of the defense industry have earned a combined billion dollars since 9/11; they should give bin Laden his cut.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
In a series of internal musings and memos to his staff, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld argued that Muslims avoid “physical labor” and wrote of the need to “keep elevating the threat,” “link Iraq to Iran” and develop “bumper sticker statements” to rally public support for an increasingly unpopular war.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this
Four Amigos to Telecom Firms’ Rescue…………………They endorsed immunity. In a letter (PDF) to the top members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, his deputy, James Comey, former head of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel, Jack Goldsmith, and his deputy, Patrick Philbin, said that granting immunity “is simply the right thing to do.” ………………………………….The letter doesn’t mention that Ashcroft’s Washington firm is a lobbyist for AT&T Inc., or that Philbin, now at Kirkland & Ellis, has served as Verizon Communication Inc.’s top outside lawyer. Comey is now general counsel at Lockheed Martin, and Goldsmith is a professor at Harvard Law School.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this
Hillary finally gets asked some tough questions and what happens?
{{{One caller from Oklahoma City said that “the questions … were designed to incite a brawl,” and that Russert’s and Brian Williams’s moderating was “an abdication of journalistic responsibility.”}}
BOO FREAKING HOO!
Another said Russert “should be shot,” before quickly adding that she shouldn’t say that on a conference call.
No comment.
Although I do look forward to Russert’s reaction to all of this, which, unless they threaten to smear him with tabloid dirt, will probably not enhance Shrillary’s popularity.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
I have just secured a private letter — not yet publicly released — from Senator Chuck Hagel to President Bush and copied to Condoleezza Rice, Robert Gates, and Stephen Hadley. I should add that I did not receive this letter from Senator Hagel but from other sources. The letter urges the President to pursue “direct, unconditional, and comprehensive talks with the Government of Iran.”
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
Originally I thought IRAQ was Arabic for Viet Nam but now I see it is actually Arabic for clusterf*ck.
Didn’t think much of the toon today. Didn’t even make me crack a smile.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
A new round of polling from SurveyUSA would seem to totally undermine a central claim of Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy — namely, that he can put some usually safe-Democratic state into contention.
By Sal
November 1, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Hillary looked vulnerable because she participated in a real news event. A real debate with real reporters, a real audience, and real candidates.
Contrast that with Bush’s handpicked phony audiences and FEMA’s phony news conference. I wonder if FEMA practices in front of a mirror.
FEMA went to a halloween party as FOX NEWS. It looked so real.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
How pathetic is this?
The Clinton campaign released a video Wednesday, entitled “The Politics of Pile On,” showing clips of the senator’s rivals going after her by name during the debate.
How dare they use her name!!! Is nothing sacred?
And this whiny complaint comes after Shrillary mentioned Bush’s name too many times to count, but he’s not running for anything.
This was a good line from Obama’s camp:
“The ‘politics of hope’ doesn’t mean hoping you don’t have to answer tough questions.”
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
The representatives from groups such as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Association of Evangelicals, National Council of Churches and the Union for Reform Judaism said Congress should require a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.
By reebok
November 1, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
Very funny cartoon…Obama is a really nice guy. Probably too nice for presidential politics. He’s going to need the Vice-Presidency as a stepping stone if he’s ever going to make it to Commander-in-Chief. Wonder who Hillary will tap for Veep after she secures the nomination?
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
Petraeus Personally Introduces Disgraced Ahmed Chalabi To U.S. Troops In Iraq………………………….For Petraeus to proudly introduce troops to Chalabi is particularly unfitting, considering that Chalabi has repeatedly put the lives of U.S. troops in danger in Iraq. Before the war, Chalabi provided faulty intelligence on Iraq’s supposed weapons programs, helping launch the war. He was investigated for allegations that he passed intelligence to Iran, “wrongdoing that could have endangered American troops and American lives,” according to Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL). Furthermore, Chalabi has alliances with militia leader Muqtada al Sadr, who has led a “series of uprisings against the U.S. military.”
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Recent polling has made something pretty clear for Mitt Romney: He would have a hard time at best in the general election in his home state of Massachusetts, where he served one term as governor. The latest SurveyUSA poll shows him losing the state by an amazing 65%-31% margin against Hillary Clinton. And what’s more, he might not even try to compete there at all.
By Georgia 74
November 1, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
Another Repug caught in a bathroom, are there any straight wingnuts?
By Sal
November 1, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
Ga. 74, Why do you think they’re called “Repudlickans”?
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
Tigger is cute, but annoying, not to mention completely stupid, even Pooh gets annoyed with him.
Goldie and Buy Danish,
I don’t care what Phelps calls himself, he’s insane and I’m glad somebody finally sued him and that he lost. I’m really surprised that no one hasn’t lost it at those funerals he’s protested and shot someone. He’ll probably appeal it to the Supreme Court though, but let him, I hope he goes bankrupt in the process.
Anywho, I hope you all had a Happy Halloween.
Happy All Saints Day! Who is your favorite saint?
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
I wonder if Sen Larry Craig is going to be able to tap dance himself out of his mess.
Me thinks it is taps for tap tap.
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
Bosch @ 9:21 — calling someone a “Democrat” because they voted that way in the 80’s is not necessarily the same bag today, a la Zell “Duel-man” Miller… we’ve had plenty of old Dems convert to the very extremist side of the Repugnant Party since the Clinton era of the 90’s.
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Bosche and Goldie:
If you two kids can’t play together nicely I am going to make you take time outs!!!!!
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
sorry about the e Bosch. It is still early down here in Tampa.
By Luckoduh
November 1, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
{{{{Such existential questions seemed to be in the past. But with another Clinton running as if she’s all but a sure thing for the White House, Clintonesque is once again becoming a politically relevant adjective. In Tuesday night’s Democratic Presidential debate, the moderators and Hillary Clinton’s fellow panelists took pains to pin her down on one question after another, without notable success. The junior Senator from New York seems increasingly to have adopted her husband’s political methods, minus the savoir-faire. The result is that it’s impossible to know what she believes about anything.}}}}
{{{{The political strategy is clear enough. Mrs. Clinton wants to roll to her party’s nomination on a tide of “inevitability” while disguising her real agenda as much as possible. But Democratic voters ought to consider whether they want to put all their hopes for retaking the White House on Mrs. Clinton’s ability to obfuscate like her husband without his preternatural talent for it. Aside from lacking her husband’s political gifts, Hillary’s challenge is that we’ve all seen this movie before. And performances like Tuesday’s might be enough to convince voters to opt for a candidate who is his own man.}}}}
Plus, she’s a dumbas-s.
This is going to be easy.
By RB from Gwinnett
November 1, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
By Goldie 8:27 AM Don’t try to hang that nut job on the R’s or Christians. What he and his so called church did is dispicable by any measure of both groups. I think you’ll find R’s and C’s are glad the family sued him and believe the verdict was accurate. I don’t think the amount of the verdict was appropriate, but the verdict was correct.
Good to see he’s a Democrat anyway.
Hillary for Team Mom in ‘08!!!
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
The Christian conservative movement is taking its ball and going to play elsewhere in ‘08 — possibly forming a 3rd party:
Fox, who is 47, said he saw some impatient shuffling in the pews, but he was stunned that the church’s lay leaders had turned on him. “They said they were tired of hearing about abortion 52 weeks a year, hearing about all this political stuff!” he told me on a recent Sunday afternoon. “And these were deacons of the church!”— These days, Fox has taken his fire and brimstone in search of a new pulpit. He rented space at the Johnny Western Theater at the Wild West World amusement park until it folded. Now he preaches at a Best Western hotel. “I don’t mind telling you that I paid a price for the political stands I took,” Fox said. “The pendulum in the Christian world has swung back to the moderate point of view. The real battle now is among evangelicals.”
As Dubya, their former leader, once famously said: “Fool me once— shame on….. we won’t get fooled again!”
By RB from Gwinnett
November 1, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
By Goldie 8:27 AM Don’t try to hang that nut job on the R’s or Christians. What he and his so called church did is dispicable by any measure of both groups. I think you’ll find R’s and C’s are glad the family sued him and believe the verdict was accurate. I don’t think the amount of the verdict was appropriate, but the verdict was correct.
Good to see he’s a Democrat anyway.
Hillary for Team Mom in ‘08!!!
By No Win Scenario
November 1, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
BAGHDAD - Bombs killed at least 16 people Thursday in attacks across the Iraqi capital and its northern suburbs, but many here are increasingly concerned about the threat of attacks by Turkey against the country’s northern Kurdish areas.
Iraqis worry that a Turkish cross-border campaign, provoked by Kurdish rebel attacks, would spread disorder in one of the few relatively stable areas in Iraq. A Turkish incursion also would put the United States in the middle of a fight between key allies: NATO-member Turkey, the Baghdad government and the Iraqi Kurds of Iraq’s semi-independent Kurdistan region.
More fruits of the ‘NO WIN SCENARIO’ that REPUBLICANS have gifted us, our children, our children’s children, and our children’s children’s children with!!!
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
{{Happy All Saints Day! Who is your favorite saint?}}
Didn’t the Atlanta Falcons acquire Joe Horn from the Saints? If so, I believe he would be my favorite Saint!
By Goldie
November 1, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
{{Don’t try to hang that nut job on the R’s or Christians. What he and his so called church did is dispicable by any measure of both groups.}}
Yes, homophobia is a terrible mental illness.
By Big Business Republicans Make Big Government Bigger
November 1, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
WASHINGTON - The demands of supplying soldiers in combat require an additional 1,400 military and civilian personnel with the authority to sign contracts, a new report finds.
King George is sending out so many of those big, Big, BIG war bucks corporate welfare payments to his buddies in big, Big, BIG business that he is gonna have to hire some more rubber stampers just to sign the checks.
big, Big, BIG business REPUBLICAN politicians yield big, Big, BIG GOVERNMENT. What a surprise, Surprise, SURPRISE!!!
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Saint Thomas a Becket
By Paul
November 1, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Bosch
Which Saint? The Christmas dude - jolly old Saint Nicholas! (based upon a real guy by the way, as a good Episcopalian-attender would know - but that’s a different story).
Mixed feelings about the Phelps story. Suffice it to say my feelings about the man are such that I won’t type the words that describe those feelings. Courts have, I believe, imposed controls on his protests - stay N feet away, for example. The funerals are private affairs, yet they take place on public land. They are terribly offensive to the grieving families. The group is making a statement against the nation and groups citizens.
Right next to an article about that I read about a young man in high school lit class - topic was an examination of Huck Finn - course done by a group of the district teachers and a consultant - to show the racial, social, etc themes of the time, how they compare to today, etc. One student - the lone black student - found spelling out words that are now hyphenated - offensive and asked that the hyphenated version be used. The school complied and the teacher apologized.
So: words used in a social context can be, by popular agreement, not used. Even if used in a political context. I’m frankly not sure if such prohibitions have been challenged in court. Other words, entirely political, wholly offensive, are generally permitted (the Phelps verdict has, I think, a good chance of being overturned on appeal).
The point of the comparison was not to say one is okay, the other isn’t, or that somehow one justifies the other. It is the difficulty of free speech viewed in a blanket manner. The controlling phrase is absolute “Congress shall make no law…” yet there are limits “your right to free expression ends at the tip of my nose” or the fire in the theater example.
That’s the problem with free speech. It’s offensive. And it’s different from vulgar speech, threatening speech, personal speech, etc.
Talk to you this afternoon -
PS - I watched an audience reaction to the Dem debate - realtime tracking - again showed negatives when candidates were seen to criticize one another (I wonder what kind of parents these people make? Never criticize your kids?) - yet when Obama couched his criticism of Hillary’s refusal - or waffling - to release records from their library regarding her time as First Lady - as an
By Jesus
November 1, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By GOPher Think
November 1, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
HOUSTON - The military has punished nine Marine Corps recruiters who arranged for stand-ins to take Armed Services entrance exams for new enlistees.
This is not the fault of our brave and honorable Marines. It is what happens when big business war profiteers make unrealistic and irrespnsible demands that no military force can satisfy.
big, Big, BIG government REPUBLICANS continue to pervert the honor and integrity of our brave troops by continuing to ignore the realities of what they ask of them.
By Paul
November 1, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Bosch con’t
yet when Obama couched his criticism of Hillary’s refusal - or waffling - to release records from their library regarding her time as First Lady - as an extension of the Bush years of secrecy - and implied (in my mind, vote for Hillary, get more of the things you don’t like about Bush - secrecy, going to war (her “sometimes the Pres has to do that, absent UN or Congressional approval) - audience approval rose.
Hillary seems to be running against Pres Bush. Dem candidates are running against each other. I think Obama’s found a way to criticize Hillary - criticize her by tying her to Bush policies - and not get negative reaction. Clever. Serendipitous, but clever nonetheless.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
ITN, thanks for that link. Here’s part of Hagel’s letter to Bush:
I am increasingly concerned, however, that this diplomatic strategy is stalling. There are growing differences with our international partners. Concerns remain that the United States’ actual objectives is regime change in Iran, not a change in Iran’s behavior. Prospects for further action in the UN Security Council have grown dim, and we appear increasingly reliant on a single-track effort to expand financial pressure on Iran outside of the UN Security Council. Iran’s actions, both on its nuclear program and in Iraq, are unchanged. Iran’s leaders appear increasingly confident.
Unless there is a strategic shift, I believe we will find ourselves in a dangerous and increasingly isolated position in the coming months. I do not see how the collective actions that we are now taking will produce the results that we seek. If this continues, our ability to sustain a united international front will weaken as countries grow uncertain over our motives and unwilling to risk open confrontation with Iran, and we are left with fewer and fewer policy options.
Now is the time for the US to consider when and how to offer direct, unconditional, and comprehensive talks with Iran. The offer should be made even as we continue to work with our allies on financial pressure, in the UN Security Council on a third sanctions resolution, and in the region to support those Middle East countries who share our concerns with Iran. The November report by IAEA Director General ElBaradei to the IAEA Board of Governors could provide an opportunity to advance the offer of bilateral talks.
An approach such as this would strengthen our ability across the board to deal with Iran. Our friends and allies would be more confident to stand with us if we seek to increase pressure, including tougher sanctions on Iran. It could create a historic new dynamic in US-Iran relations, in part forcing the Iranians to react to the possibility of better relations with the West. We should be prepared that any dialogue process with Iran will take time, and we should continue all efforts, as you have, to engage Iran from a position of strength.
We should not wait to consider the option of bilateral talks until all other diplomatic options are exhausted. At that point, it could well be too late.
I urge you to consider pursing direct, unconditional and comprehensive ta
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
I urge you to consider pursuing direct, unconditional and comprehensive talks with the Government of Iran.
From Hagel’s letter benchmarking the views of one of the most grounded, foreign policy savvy, common sense thinkers about the eroding state of America’s military and national security portfolio. And he’s a Midwestern American Republican who served in the United States Military.
Let’s summarize - from one of the Senate’s most stalwart classic conservatives and a foreign policy savvy, common sense Republican who is interested in RESULTS rather than the current neo-con policy.
Had this guy chosen to run, he would have wiped the floor with the posers on the current GOP slate and might have mitigated the ongoing Republican blood letting.
And my guess is he knew this, but has given up on the incompetents in his party.
By Bush the Barbarian
November 1, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
KABUL, Afghanistan - A nighttime raid in eastern Afghanistan by U.S. and Afghan troops sparked a gunbattle that killed three people, including two children, and the military said Thursday it is investigating the deaths.
In a sectarian civil war you can’t easily tell good guys from bad. Kids get killed, so do innocent women and the elderly.
THAT is just one of the myriad reasons why the USA should NEVER have been engaged in a foreign civil war.
REPUBLICAN war profiteers continue to rake in those mountains of war bucks, while they win the ‘hearts and minds’ of the Arab world ‘one child at a time’!!!
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
It might take as long as half a century before U.S. troops can leave the volatile Middle East, according to retired Army Gen. John Abizaid.
“Over time, we will have to shift the burden of the military fight from our forces directly to regional forces, and we will have to play an indirect role, but we shouldn’t assume for even a minute that in the next 25 to 50 years the American military might be able to come home, relax and take it easy, because the strategic situation in the region doesn’t seem to show that as being possible,” Abizaid said Wednesday at Carnegie Mellon University.
Abizaid, the former commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, stepped down in March as the longest-serving commander of U.S. Central Command. He retired from the Army in May and now is at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
The rise of Sunni extremism, burgeoning Shiite extremism, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the world economy’s dependency on Mideast oil will keep Americans in the Middle East for a long time, he said.
“I’m not saying this is a war for oil, but I am saying that oil fuels an awful lot of geopolitical moves that political powers may have there,” Abizaid said. “And it is absolutely essential that we in the United States of America figure out how, in the long run, to lessen our dependency on foreign energy.”
He reiterated comments made in September that the U.S. needs to do a better job of coordinating economic, political and diplomatic means so the conflict can move from a military to a political issue.
“I would characterize what we’re doing now as 80 percent military, 20 percent diplomatic, economic, political, educational, informational, intelligence, etc.,” Abizaid said. “You’ve got to take that equation and change it. Make it 80 percent those other things.”
Abizaid, who has dubbed the current conflict “The Long War,” told The Associated Press in September it will take three to five years before Iraq’s government is stable enough to operate on its own.
Despite the strain on the armed forces, Abizaid said Wednesday it is important to maintain a professional military without re-establishing a draft.
By Boy Lovers
November 1, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - Two Emirati men are accused of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old French boy, a case that has raised questions about the protection of foreigners and the fairness of a legal system where male rape does not exist as a crime.
NOW we know why REPUBLICANS are such good buddies with the 9/11 terrorist’s homeland.
BOY LOVERS, one and all!!!
By Sal
November 1, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Could that thing in the photo be a bear? Longest, thinest legs I’ve ever seen on a bear, if it is.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Mounting federal earmarks fund ‘scores’ of religious groups
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
In a blow to the Bush administration, the Senate Judiciary Committee’s top Democrat and Republican expressed reluctance yesterday to granting blanket immunity to telecommunications carriers sued for assisting the government’s warrantless surveillance program.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
stock market down 236 in first hour of trading
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
Foreclosure Filings Soar in 3rd Quarter Number of US Homes Facing Foreclosure Doubles in Third Quarter
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Be honest about gas gouging
By Georgia 74
November 1, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
News Flash 08’election from San Francisco, “Republicans carry Castro District.”
By Luckoduh
November 1, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Geez, now even “lazy” Fred is hammering on it:
{{{{When I asked him how politics had changed since he chaired the 1997 Senate Government Affairs Committee hearings that investigated fund-raising abuses by the Clinton White House and GOP operatives, he said that “many people took the Fifth Amendment, many people fled the country, several people were convicted.”}}}}
{{{{When he sees the “bundling of large sums of money from mysterious sources” for the Hillary Clinton campaign — no doubt Thompson was referring to a Los Angeles Times story about immigrant Chinatown dishwashers and service workers who wrote $1,000 and 2,000 checks for Clinton’s campaign — he added that it brings back “some very unfond memories.”}}}}
This is going to be easy.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
“Married to the Mob:
According to the Times, or at least sources the Times reporters spoke to, Rudy Crony Bernie Kerik has a legal defense trust set up to help him defray his weighty legal bills. Considering that Giuliani’s candidacy can probably only survive if Kerik’s keeps quiet, it’d be very interesting to know who’s contributing to that fund. People who were just fans of his public service?
Of course, even if Kerik does keep quiet a Rudy nomination would have to force a lot of questions about why Rudy put a mobbed-up, crooked cop in charge of the NYPD and tried to get him installed as the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.”
I found your so called mafia.
Geez, lazy fred will drop out soon.
Too much work for the old coot.
By Monica Blewbillski
November 1, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
I think Bill and Hillary want me to lose some weight. They keep telling me to take a hike.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Petraeus Personally Introduces Disgraced Ahmed Chalabi To U.S. Troops In Iraq
Move on was dead right about betrayus.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
“Why Mukasey can’t answer the “Waterboarding” question:
He’d have to prosecute those that hired him…”
You know, we have been posting disaster after disaster in w’s disaster.
Has there been any good news w has done?
Has he done anything good for the people?
I can’t find any good news and the wingnuts continue to support this disaster and will vote gop to stay the course in this disaster.
Geez.
By AmItheonlyoneoffended?
November 1, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
The racial (and racist) implication by the self-righteous liberal hypocrite Luckovich is not lost on me. Tigger as Obama?! Give me a break!
By getalife
November 1, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Post some good news duh.
Chrysler laid off another 12,000 and the market is crashing.
$100 dollar oil around the corner. No more fed rate cuts.
The economy is the last to fall in this disaster.
Anybody got some good news?
Geez.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
One of the MANY failures of this President is the well documented aspect of how he intentionally surrounded himself with such inept advisors and cabinet members.
Loyal sycophants? Yes, almost to the man.
But men and women of vision, courage, and competence? Hardly.
ITN’s link regarding Rumsfeld’s “snowflakes” and bumper sticker mentality reveal an extremely flawed character, who may rightly go down in history as one of America’s worst Defense Secretaries ever.
Even McNamara shines in comparison to this neo-con screw up.
What an unholy trinity. Or perhaps a decidedly unfunny and dangerous caricature of the three stooges - Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
By Luckoduh
November 1, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Here’s some good news for you, al-Gitmo:
{{{{While one supporter voiced his concern that the Clinton campaign is not devoting enough money and staff to Iowa, lagging behind Obama, most supporters who commented on the call expressed their displeasure with what they saw as the moderators’ focus on Clinton.}}}}
{{{{One caller from Oklahoma City said that “the questions … were designed to incite a brawl,” and that Russert’s and Brian Williams’s moderating was “an abdication of journalistic responsibility.”}}}}
{{{{Another said Russert “should be shot,” before quickly adding that she shouldn’t say that on a conference call.}}}}
If I were Russert, I would take that threat seriously, see Vince Foster.
And listen to the little Klintoons whine, oh, how sad, their candidate got asked a few questions, isn’t it just horrible!
No doubt that it was a “an abdication of journalistic responsibility,” it is the responsibility of the drive by media to kiss SHrillary’s as-s and throw cream puff questions at “her.”
Kowards.
This is going to be easy.
By rusty
November 1, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
Obama mode.
You missed the Clintonia stonewall, cordially known as “depends on whsa “is”, is.
Rusty
By N-GA
November 1, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
Good news is gold is nearly $800/oz.
Good news is we only have 446 more days of this insanity….
By Georgia 74
November 1, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
Hillary 08’
By getalife
November 1, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
duh,
That is just more hate.
Thanks N-GA,
That is really good news.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
NYC councilman calls for investigation of Rudy. Last month, Brave New Films released a web video detailing the negative impact some of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s decisions had on firefighters on 9/11 — for example, the rewarding of a no-bid contract that prevented faulty radios from being replaced. Now, in a new video, New York City Councilman Eric Gioia, chair of the city’s oversight and investigations committee, has endorsed an investigation into Giuliani’s handling of the radios used by firefighters on 9/11.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
The Air Force Cover-Up of That Miinot-Barksdale Nuke Missile Flight
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Did Blackwater sneak silencers into Iraq? Security firm under investigation for allegedly sidestepping export controls
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
NEW YORK, Nov 1 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve added a total of $41 billion in temporary reserves to the banking system on Thursday, the biggest single day of such injections since September 2001.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Right-Wing Bloggers Launch Campaign — With MoveOn! — Against Fox News Over Debate Footage
By getalife
November 1, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
w is spwing more hate and fear today like duh.
The idiots at the heritage foundation are cheering on this pathetic spectacle.
Geez.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
By Actuary
November 1, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
Oh WingNuts: The stock market is taking a big hit, the dollar is taking a bigger hit, and oil is waaay up today. Soon you will be asking to join the liberal party: we plan a background check on new converts, and you previous posts will be counted against you. Ta ta
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
ITN,
Just read your “10 easy steps” article. What do you want to bet Naomi Wolf is on “the list?”
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I suspect being on “the list” will eventually have the same cache as being on Nixon’s enemies list.
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
ITN,
True, true.
I wonder where all the wingnuts are today? Probably plotting to take over the world, or at a ” 50 New Ways to Hate Liberals” Convention.
So, Becket is your favorite saint, huh? Canterbury Cathedral is very beautiful, his murder spot is kind of blase’, or at least it was 20 years ago. I remember thinking, Oh, that’s it? I guess I was expecting a little more, but then again, it is the scene of a gruesome murder.
By Gonna Love 08
November 1, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
I was watching the Ken Burns The War on PBS and the title of that episode not only describes todays war but this country under Dubya. It was called
FUBAR
If you have watched Saving Private Ryan or served in the military you know what it means, maybe this is one of the bumper sticker slogans Rummy wanted to use….
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
I’ve never had the opportunity to get to the UK. (Semi-planned for next year)
Your Favorite saint?
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
Fed Cut Could Spell Doom for Europe
Yeap, the economy is going just swimmingly over here.
By RE
November 1, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Favorite saint:
St Pauli
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
RE
isn’t the old troll legend that you are me?
or is it i am you?
Must admit your saint is more “refreshing” than mine.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
The War should be shown in all High Schools to show how great the greatest generation are and how when we are united, we prevail.
Compare it to the “me” generation’s sacrifice of using the same troops to the breaking point, robbing of the treasury and blackwater socialized slaughter to show the Iraq disaster.
This is a great history lesson.
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
St. Francis - Old crazy guy, preaching to animals - yeah, he’s my favorite.
Well, I hope you get to go to the UK. Those Britons are a funny bunch of folks! And, plese, for me, go see a football game if you can.
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
AWWW RE,
Good one. :-)
By RE
November 1, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I keep hearing that as well. That game gets played often, who is posting as who, it’s just silly. There are a certain group who post under the same name all the time, and then there are one or two people who change names several times a day.
As for me, I never post under any other names, why bother.
By RB from Gwinnett
November 1, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
We’re all still here. We’re just having difficulty typing today because we’re laughing so hard at the uproar you libs are raising over Queen Hitlery being asked a couple of reasonable questions she refuses to answer.
Bash Bush all you want to, but if you can’t see Hitlery for the deceitful opportunist she really is, you’re a fool.
Hillary for Team Mom in ‘08!!!!
By RE
November 1, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Interesting article on the dollar fluctuation, or rather it’s plummet.
Going out on a limb here, but I think the big winner in the next few years with the currency shake up is going to be China. The Yuan is pegged to the dollar, so the chinese currency falls as the dollar does, it makes chinese exports more attractive to european markets. Chinese economic growth will skyrocket as the US and europe slow down, soon all we will be able to afford are chinese goods.
The chinese are smart and they are fairly ruthless about economic issues, they no longer adhere to political dogma to shape economic policy, even as they enforce it culturally on thier own people. What it comes down to is that US economic policy is geared towards pleasing the populace, even if it is at the expense of the nations properity, in china the economic policy is geared towards national strength first, and the populace gets the crumbs.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Press conference on your water problem coming up shortly.
I see NBC has gone green and think it is time for the “me” generation to step up and start conserving water and oil for your kids and their kids.
By RB from Gwinnett
November 1, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
We’re all still here. We’re just having difficulty typing today because we’re laughing so hard at the uproar you libs are raising over Queen Hitlery being asked a couple of reasonable questions she refuses to answer.
Bash Bush all you want to, but if you can’t see Hitlery for the deceitful opportunist she really is, you’re a fool.
Hillary for Team Mom in ‘08!!!!
By Bosch
November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
RE,
I don’t think that’s going out on a limb, I think that’s dead on.
RB,
Deceitful opportunistic or not,
repeat after me because you may as well get used to saying it:
“Madame President”
By Georgia 74
November 1, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Repudlickin Party, now that is funny.
By RE
November 1, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
RB
I agree with you on that, the clinton response was weak and inconclusive. She would not be my first choice to be president, but unfortunately candidates are in the end rewarded for not taking a stand on an issue more than they are punished. Direct question, she couldn’t answer.
Speaking of direct questions going unanswered, what is going on with mukasey. What is so hard about saying either waterboarding is torture, or it is not torture.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me that some of the more inane here have the chutzpah to say (apparently with a straight face) that only the Republicans can be trusted with national security or a protracted war.
NEWS FLASH! Most Americans, at least those not vested in putting the imploding GOP before the nation, agree that this arguably worst ever administration has created a debacle of Viet Nam like proportions and has saddled America with a disaster that will require a future, and more rational, President to resolve.
How, in the name of (your favorite mythology here) can one expect these Bush apologists to have ANY credibility when they blindly and stupidly support an administration and utterly failed neo-conservative agenda that is defined by such a long series of strategic blunders, childish miscalculations, utter ineptitude in prosecuting a military campaign and an appalling lack of long range vision?
The only silver lining I can see from this is that these incredibly arrogant neo-cons are almost certainly looking at a second straight electoral bloodbath, which hopefully for the nation, will be their final hurray.
By Rovespierre
November 1, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Officer Tibbets, the man who dropped the Plutonium Bomb which turned Hiroshima into Magma, died today.
His family requested that in lieu of flowers, send mushrooms. At 5PM, the exact time in the USA when the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, everyone in the United States is expected to don sunglasses and stare at the sun for one minute.
Then everyone go to your local tanning salons. Feel the burn.
By Monica Blewbillski
November 1, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
What I wouldn’t give for a stiff one right now.
Drink, I mean.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Monica,
What I wouldn’t give for a stiff one right now.
I’m not talking about a drink.
By Monica Blewbillski
November 1, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
gosh getalife, if u aren’t talking about a drink, what else is left???
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
wanna play carnival getalife???
By getalife
November 1, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Monica,
Oh, I can think of something.
You should be able to relate.
We both enjoy doing the same thing.
Mmm.Mmm. Good.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
John in Tampa,Fl,
I’ll bet you say that to all the guys.
I’m not just a piece of meat.
Geez.
By getalife Ć
November 1, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Stop wanking PF.
Geez,
By rosie odonnell
November 1, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
ain’t nothin stiffer than hillary’s upper lip. nothin.
By getalife Ć
November 1, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
Stop wanking PF.
Geez.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
rosie,
I know something that’s stiffer. Ask RE.
Geez,
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
tee hee
By getalife
November 1, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
“Its fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.”
“Its fun to stay at the “Y.M.C.A.”
“You can hang out with all the boys”.
By rosie odonnell
November 1, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
RE, you got a diamond up yer arse?
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
You know, if I had to do Hillary I think I would have to throw a flag over her face and say I did it for old glory.
MILF, I think not
By shark sammich
November 1, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
Mike, I sometimes check in now and again to mention that you get the very stupidest right-wing trolls on the Intertubes.
I should add that you also get some of the most misogynistic ones as well.
I’m not a huge Hillary fan, but boy howdy, will I enjoy watching the wingnuts deal with their castration anxieties en masse if she should be the nominee. Of course, if she’s the nominee, she’ll win. As will any Democrat. There isn’t a single electable Gooper running.
And every damn wingnut posting here knows it, and ain’t a damn thing they can do to stop it, either.
By RE
November 1, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
You people leave getalife alone. We’re engaged to be married. As soon as I dump this woman I’m with.
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
And now for something that is actually funny
Your act is stale and stupid PF.
Try something new.
Geez.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
RE,
Its ok, sweetheart.
They know that the White House won’t contain a wingnut(I love saying nut)in 2008.
Bwa.
By Paul
November 1, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Hey getalife
Congressman Kucinich was on Bil O’Reilly last night. He addressed a number of issues, related how he’s a better choice than the other candidates (particularly Hillary, Obama). Bill called him a “stand-up guy” who’s not afraid to take questions. Kucinich smiled and said he looked forward to returning.
By @@
November 1, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
The Obama bounce ml? I think I saw that on a clip of the Ellen DeGeneres Show.
(((In his interview with the NYT last Sunday, Obama described himself as the “underdog”. It got me thinking: How would Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico describe themselves? Fleas on the back of that underdog?)))
(((Obama also said the national press has written “glowingly about” Clinton in recent months “and not so much about me.”)))
That ^^^ oughta tell you something Barack. The media is bought and paid for by the Clinton political machine.
(((This from a man who was on the cover of GQ, got a fawning profile in the New Yorker and is constantly on the front-page of the New York Times while keeping the Chicago press at arm’s length? Is he joking?)))
Last time out Hillary was claiming a “right-wing conspiracy”, now it’s a “left-wing conspiracy” — Obama is the underdog and the rest are fleas.
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
This needs to be e-mailed all over!
By Paul
November 1, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
@@
Did you happen to read the email update a couple days back regarding the reasons, likely results and implications of various strike options on Iran? It should be required reading.
Link: War Plans: The United States and Iran
And, did you hear Sen Schumer say in some cases torture (not waterboarding, but torture) is warranted? Whenever I hear these guys I think of pretzels. Possibly it’s torture if Pres Bush advocates it but it’s not (or it’s “necessary”) if Dems advocate it? More political theater -
By IN THE NEWS
November 1, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
The startling discovery that affiliation with the Republican party is genetically determined was announced by scientists in the current issue of the journal Nurture. Reports of the gene that codes for political conservatism, discovered after a long study of quintuplets in Orange County, Calif., has sent shock waves through the medical, political, and golfing communities. Psychologists and psychoanalysts have long believed that Republicans’ unnatural and frequently unconstitutional tendencies result from unhealthy family life —- a remarkably high percentage of Republicans had authoritative, domineering fathers and emotionally distant mothers who didn’t teach them how to be kind and gentle. But biologists have long suspected that conservatism is inherited. “After all,” said one author of the Nurture article, “it’s quite common for a Republican to have a brother or a sister who is a Republican.”
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
She musta been too busy grifting impoverished dishwashers down in Chinatown.
THE “BRAINS” surrounding Hillary Clinton didn’t make any friends last Friday at Condé Nast when they balked on a firm, long-standing commitment to let the candidate pose for Vogue, while the astute Julia Reed hung ten waiting to write about her and the giant fotog Annie Leibovitz had her cameras at the ready for nothing./A source inside Hillary’s camp supposedly informed the Vogue contingent they’d decided some time ago not to honor the commitment, but Vogue wasn’t told until the last minute.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
In his last months in office the President may be a duck.
But make no mistake about it, he has ALWAYS been lame.
By Rovespierre
November 1, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
What kind of mitochondrial mutant are you, In the News? I know there’s a war on and good bloggers are hard to find, but they must have scraped the bottom of the barrel when they found you. What rock did you crawl from under? So go ahead, flame me, bash me, bore me to death, anything to get off this ship…..(“Mr. Roberts” 1955 Henry Fonda to James Cagney, my favorite movie of all time)
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Well Paul,
Good for him.
He will drop out soon but at least he is honest.
By Paul
November 1, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Nicely said, getalife.
He can keep his head held high and know his integrity is intact. Agree or not, he spoke what he believes. He set a good example for the others.
g’night, all -
By RE
November 1, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
Hey,
Anyone got a problem with GWB deciding to no longer wait for congress to pass laws, and instead to issue administrative orders in place of law?
Sort of like a dictatorial power, one branch government.
By @@
November 1, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
Yay Paul @ 4:18. Did you get a full-blown (no pun intended) subscription to Stratfor? Did you get the O.K. to link here?
I honestly don’t see an impending military strike against Iran but as Madeline Albright said…”What’s the use in having a military if you don’t use it?” In this case, I think it’s more of a threat to back up sanctions and buy time.
Have you been watching all the international globetrotters lately?
Iran’s Mouttaki to Baghdad.
Admiral Fallon’s trip to Tajikistan suddenly postponed.
Russia’s Lavrov visting Tehran.
A Kremlin spokesman advising Turkey not to attack the PKK.
(((Each of these powers is playing the other two off one another in pursuit of its own interests — with a very murky idea of how all this will play out. There is definite movement on all sides, but it is still anyone’s guess as to where things will end up. Two weeks ago, the Iranians and Russians were squeezing the Americans. But things have taken a turn in the past week, with the Russians and the Americans now putting the squeeze on Iran. Soon enough, the Iranians and the Americans could end up working together, leaving the Russians in a tight spot.)))
A big sit down in Turkey is set for two weeks out…Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Russia and the U.S.
Remember when I speculated that U.S. concessions may involve some smaller/former Soviet Bloc countries?
All we can do is sit and wait or catch the fever of hysterics being promoted in the press.
Breathe!!!!
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
ITN,
You really must be desperate if you are posting junk psychology from 1996 as “news”.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
{{{By RE
November 1, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
Anyone got a problem with GWB deciding to no longer wait for congress to pass laws, and instead to issue administrative orders in place of law?}}}
RE,
Would it be too much of a bother to give us a hint as to what you are talking about here?
By John in Tampa, FLA
November 1, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Perhaps when they have their big sit down in Turkey they should Turkey why are they still occupying the northern half of Cyprus.
By RE
November 1, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
BD, here you go:
bush administrative orders
yep, the constitution was outdated anyway, I mean it was written over 230 years ago
By Paul
November 1, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
before I shut it down -
RE
If my memory is correct, administrative law is a subset of public law. Government agencies’ rulings (administrative) have the force and effect of law. I believe the administrative orders concept, as you related, is more restrictive.
Lots of people don’t like the idea that government agencies “make law” but that’s the way it is.
It’s nothing new, has been going on for a long time, and quite possibly now is portrayed on one side as a dictatorial power grab and on the other as a President getting the work of the people done in the face of a do-nothing Congress.
@@
You’re welcome. No, oops, I didn’t have permission - got it on an email, saw it was still in the public portion so I linked to it. I believe they keep articles for a short time before they go to the member’s section.
I don’t think many can see past the “Bush warmonger” mantra to consider other aspects - such as psychological warfare. Of course, to consider such would belie the idea of Bush (and the career bureaucracy) as moronic, warmongering simpleton and would indicate a planned, considered nonmilitary strategy in play. And some just will not consider that.
That was a key point - countries pursue their own interests. I think that fogs over the thoughts of the “we’re all alike, want peace” group who interpret many such actions (ref. Putin with Iran) as somehow in response to “America’s failure” or “America’s fault.”
Yes, I remember about that earlier speculation. Interesting to see what happens with American basing rights. Do you think Hillary will answer a question about the impact of no basing rights for her plans to “redeploy American forces throughout the region” for “Iraq intervention when necessary?” :-)
Now, for real - g’night -
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Yes, I posted about bush administrative orders yesterday.
Just another trashing of the Constitution and Ron Paul’s Freedom Act would have to add it to the list of the crimes they have committed.
This democracy has come full circle back to king george.
At least Edwards is talking about broken government and dems should write bills like Paul’s to include this new outrage.
By @@
November 1, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this
(((Perhaps when they have their big sit down in Turkey they should Turkey why are they still occupying the northern half of Cyprus.)))
I’ve read where the president of Cyprus and his son are embroiled in a corruption scandal right now. Let’s wait and see what happens with that before we go “wagging” our fingers in Turkey’s face.
By RW-(the original)
November 1, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
{{{{{The Presidential power to issue Executive Orders and Administrative Orders is an offspring of implied constitutional powers to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” ———>Executive Orders and Administrative Orders derive their legal authority either from existing statutes or from other constitutional authority given to the President<———. Executive Orders and Administrative Orders do not have to be approved by Congress to be effective.}}}}}
{{{{{Presidential Executive Orders usually pertain to government agencies and officials and are used to direct and govern the activities of government agencies and officials. They may be used to promote enforcement of specific statutes. Proclamations are generally addressed to the nation and relate to ceremonial or celebratory occasions. Administrative Orders include numbered documents called determinations, and notices or memorandum designated by date. These orders often concern foreign policy decisions but may also include management decisions made by the President that concern Executive Departments.}}}}}
Constitutional and legal, Wow!
Scary stuff RE, Halloween must have a hoot around your place.
By @@
November 1, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
Whoops! meant to add AGAIN NANCY? to my last post.
“Let’s see what happens with that before we go “wagging” our finger in Turkey’s face Nancy.”
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
w’s warmongering is giving us outrageous gas prices and oil deals lost to China and Russia. Russia and China will not back sanctions.
Hagel is begging them to at least start diplomocy.
The gop will use it as a national security political issue and the Clintons are positioned to win.
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this
RW,
Yes, it will be fun when the Clintons use these powers.
Good times.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this
ITN, first junk science, and now junk psychology?!
Where will it all end?
Junk religion?
Junk administrative orders?
Junk junkets?
Total anarchy?!!
Have you no shame?!!!
Actually, I thought it was pretty damn funny, but then again, I am decidedly not one of those in the humorously challenged, Preparation H crowd!
Come to think of it, must be the genes…
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
RW,
Thanks, I had to run out and did not have time to address RE’s paranoia.
By getalife
November 1, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this
“They want you, They want you. They want you as a new recuit!”
“In the Navy”.
Love that song.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this
SNUB alert!
In an op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal, Christy tells the world that not only does he believe it’s unproven that humans cause global warming, he’s refusing his “share” of the Nobel Peace Prize that he was awarded because it was based on a misunderstanding of science.
Be sure to read the rest of the story.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this
Clearly our resident physicist, rushncap, did not go to Christy’s high school:
Mother Nature simply operates at a level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us.———>As my high-school physics teacher admonished us in those we-shall-conquer-the-world-with-a-slide-rule days, “Begin all of your scientific pronouncements with ‘At our present level of ignorance, we think we know …’”<——-
By RE
November 1, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
Paranoia?
No this is actually happening.
I wonder if administrative orders can be classified.
My chances of a presidential election happening in 2008 are now down to about 90%. 1/20/09 might not be Bush’s last day.
By RW-(the original)
November 1, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Billy Jeff used them plenty. Guess where warrant-less wiretaps originated?
If you guessed an EO from Dhimmi Carter you would be correct.
Was it the evil Bushitler that recently said, “Sometimes a President just has to go to war without the UN or Congress” or was that Cheney do you think?
{{{{{….I am decidedly not one of those in the humorously challenged, Preparation H crowd!}}}}
Blowhard,
It sure doesn’t come through in your writing.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
In a word, Bwahahahahahaha.
RE,
Yes it’s “really happening”. So what?
By RW-(the original)
November 1, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this
{{{{{I wonder if administrative orders can be classified.}}}}}
RE,
If they were you would read them on the front page of the next day’s New York Times.
You could always move to Cuba just to be safe if you want. If that’s too short term a socialist dictatorship for you, then perhaps you’d prefer the brand spanking new one in Venezuela.
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
RE, Shirley you jest!
The already very angry and getting-angrier-every-day rightists have no use for your witty irony or satire!
That would require the ability to laugh at ones self! Or at least not take one’s positions as gospel!
By RE
November 1, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
RW,
That’s fine with me. At least I can live as a homosexual in peace there.
By Buy Danish
November 1, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Blowhard,
If you don’t think that 1996 essay was Junk Psychology then you do have piles, er, spiderwebs for brains.
By the way, thanks for letting us know that all these long-winded, self-aggrandizing essays and manifestos you’ve been producing were meant to be funny.
To think that I’ve been laughing at you and not with you all this time.
My bad!
By Luckoduh
November 1, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife November 1, 2007 2:11 PM The War should be shown in all High Schools to show how great the greatest generation are and how when we are united, we prevail. Compare it to the “me” generation’s sacrifice of using the same troops to the breaking point, robbing of the treasury and blackwater socialized slaughter to show the Iraq disaster. This is a great history lesson.}}}}
Funny but I watched most of the War and so far I haven’t seen the part where Americans whined about killing the enemy, or spread enemy propaganda, or fought against Roosevelt on every single solitary move that he made, or published national security secrets on the front page of their “news” paper, does all this happen in the last episode?
{{{{He has photographed Iraqi and American soldiers as they “disinterred the remains of adults and children” from killing fields. “In one grave,” he noted, “soldiers recovered the heads of decapitated children, some with still partially recognizable remnants of flesh and hair.”}}}}
{{{{His readers have learned what most Americans would not know from NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS and NPR: why AQI has failed to win Iraqi hearts and minds: “Between shooting people for using the Internet, watching television or other ‘moral transgressions’ such as smoking in public, AQI’s claim of fundamentalist piety proved to be a thin veneer, quickly eroded by blatant drug, alcohol and prostitute use.”}}}}
{{{{In perhaps his most haunting dispatch, Yon reports on meeting an Iraqi official who told him that it was al-Qaeda’s practice to invite “to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy” and at some point during the meal “their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.”}}}}
No, these are the people that the modern day democrats cheer for to win, they want to surrender to, just check out this post to see what real POS liberals have become:
{{{{By Bush the Barbarian November 1, 2007 10:23 AM KABUL, Afghanistan - A nighttime raid in eastern Afghanistan by U.S. and Afghan troops sparked a gunbattle that killed three people, including two children, and the military said Thursday it is investigating the deaths. {{{In a sectarian civil war you can’t easily tell good guys from bad. Kids get killed, so do innocent women and the elderly.}}}}
Civil war in Afghanistan?
By @@
November 1, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
I have the scientific answer to RE’s paranoia.
The Invincible Man Aubrey de Grey, 44 Going on 1,000, Wants Out of Old Age
That ^^^ guy says we can live young and vibrant for 1,000 years. For some strange reason he declares that there will still be a need for social security though. We can change careers when we’re 832 but enjoy the benefits of social security while we’re deciding what to do next.
Deplete our resources by living forever?
Oops, nevermind…somewhere in that article he says we’ll have to reduce the birthrate.
Weirdo!
By AmVet
November 1, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
Long live junk psychology!
No wonder some jumped out of windows when War of the Worlds was broadcast on the radio!
Jump, neo-cons! Jump!
By RB from Gwinnett
November 1, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
Apparently, in a liberals world, people can evolve over time, but the planet can’t? How exactly then did the great salt flats become dry??? Was that Bush’s fault to? Or maybe those polutin’ ole indians smoked too many peace pipes and made it all dry up?
So, let me get this straight… Evolution of the planet caused the continental drift, the salt flats, etc, but Bush caused a 1 degree temp difference over the past 100 years? Is that right?
BTW, you libs better start praying for a whole bunch of hurricanes to hit in the next 20 days or your global warming caused storm predictions are going to go bust for a second year in a row!!!!
By getalifeĆ
November 1, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
duh,
You forget that after 9/11, we were united like WWII.
Then w cut and ran to the Iraq disaster.
The rest is history and you can’t rewrite it. He has done nothing good for the people and created more problems.
Pelosi stated this fact in their one year anniversary of power today. He will not compromise and the gop obstruct change.
Major thumping in 08 for your party.
I bet on it.
By RW-(the original)
November 1, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
RB in Gwinnett,
Why do you think they’re hyping TS Noel 24/7 like it was the storm of the century?
They know how the dumb masses will just let it bleed in and next thing you know we’ll see stories about how Bush has caused monstrous storms to hit in November when things have usually quieted down. Hell they even named the sub-tropical storms and only got to “N.”
By Ed Frantz
November 12, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
This cartoon just appeared in my local paper today. Barack Obama as “Tigger”? Borders on politically incorrect in my opinion.
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