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By Mike Luckovich | Monday, October 29, 2007, 08:46 PM

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By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

So now we’ve gone from “war for oil” all the way to “surrender for oil.”

Yes mikey, we shouldn’t do anything to upset scumbag governments like this and raise your gas price:

{{{{After seven months, Mr. Shin was released to witness his mother’s hanging and his brother’s execution by shooting. Mr. Shin noticed his father in tears, but he had only one emotion: “I was furious with them; as a result of their “crimes,” I was subject to torture.”}}}}

{{{{Life continued. His niece was raped and killed by guards. He dropped a sewing machine; guards chopped off a fingertip with a knife. Constantly hungry, he once found three corn kernels in a pile of cow manure, his “lucky day.”}}}}

What’s another day eating cow pies as long as mikey has cheap gas?

{{{{It is easy to disdain and poke fun at these people (code pinko.) Nobody outside of their own ranks is happy to see them anywhere — and that includes even Hillary Clinton. But what they represent is not funny. They are just the far reaches of all the useful idiots who — wittingly or unwittingly — would abandon the fight against a savage enemy, with no apparent understanding of the cause or the consequences. Their message, in various forms, permeates the entire Left Establishment — academia, the media, the Democrats — and that is nothing to laugh about.}}}}

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Just when I thought it couldn’t possibly get more bizarre:

{{{{Mrs. Clinton and Sen. Charles E. Schumer, also a New York Democrat, requested a $900,000 earmark in June for the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, where James D. Watson served as chancellor before resigning last week after apologizing for comments that suggested that people descending from Africa aren’t as intelligent as those from Europe.}}}}

And, of course, they were illegal contributions also.

Isn’t it nice having a Klintoon back in the fund raising game?

~~~~~

{{{{President Bush vetoed the bill (S-Chip.) Send me a corrected bill, he said. No, we’ll override it to show the public that we are on the right side, the Democrats said. They are convinced that it is a surefire issue for them, come November 2008. They don’t care as much about children as about winning the next election. They figure they can hang the blame for “hurting children” on

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

{{{{Last week, Senator Byron Dorgan said, “The fact is it’s been hard. The Republicans have been objecting even to motions to proceed of even going to appropriations bills, so it’s not been an easy time for us.”}}}}

Sniff, sniff.

{{{{I guess the Democrats have the wuss vote locked up! Recall: when the Democrats were in the minority, it was always the majority’s fault they couldn’t get anything done. Now that they’re in the majority, it’s STILL the Republicans’ fault.}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

[Bomb Iran? U.S. Requests Bunker-Buster Bombs

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Cheney urging strikes on Iran

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Iran War Drumbeat Grows Louder

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Not Enough Troops – or Truth

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 30, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

What the hell did y’all expect when you elected an oil & gas man president???

By @@

October 30, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Alrighty ml!!!!

This is exactly what the restless liberals have been promoting “down on the con-servation” — a Pow Wow.

Let’s see what they’re made of…

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Gee, another day, another ML cartoon slamming Bush and co. Yawn….

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Gee, another day, another ML cartoon slamming Bush and co. Yawn….

By Mike

October 30, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Come on, liberals. All together now:

“Bush bad, Bush, bad, Bush bad, Bush bad…”

See, I’ve just eliminated the need for you to come to Mikey’s page for the rest of the week. I have freed you from hours of mindless demagoguery. No need to thank me.

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

I sense that you liberals are a little on the depressed side this morning, after all your political party, last time I checked, still sucks, so allow me to share some news that will cheer you sick mofos up:

{{{{State legislator Lakly, Republcan, 65, dies of heart attack}}}}

Spammie: This should be a red letter day of joy and celebration for you, another dead Republican that you can celebrate.

So come on with the hate, maybe laugh at his family or speak ill of the dead, you filthy POS.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Attention SCHIP supporters!

Are you willing to do your part for the children?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

ITN, 8:44

Isn’t it a bit hipocritical for you to complain about the “outing” of a non covert CIA agent and then post a link to a story about a “secret” government program in DG? Aren’t you aiding in the sharing of government secrets by doing that?

Or maybe the news sources you use are a bunch of conspiracy theory nut cases who wouldn’t know a government secret or a WMD from a pile of dried yak dung.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

ITN, 8:44

Isn’t it a bit hipocritical for you to complain about the “outing” of a non covert CIA agent and then post a link to a story about a “secret” government program in DG? Aren’t you aiding in the sharing of government secrets by doing that?

Or maybe the news sources you use are a bunch of conspiracy theory nut cases who wouldn’t know a government secret or a WMD from a pile of dried yak dung.

By Blackadder

October 30, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike! Everyone knows who really pulls the strings in this administration. They just let Dubya THINK he’s the boss. What a moron he is.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

To avoid duplicate postings and to get your comments posted in a fairly timely manner, try hitting the “Post” button and then hit the “refresh” button.

Hat tip: @@

By Anonymous

October 30, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

So, Mike and RB: If there’s “no point” in coming to this site to see the same message day after day…

Why are YOU here day after day?

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

the definition of insanity is when you do the same action and expect a different result So it would seem that bush and cheney are a bit loose in the noggin and the cons are going to follow them right to the nut farm.

seems they cant face up to the fact that they blew it in iraq so they want to cover their asses by starting another war. blind traitors leading blind fools to the brink of destruction of our great nation.STOP THE MADDNES!!!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 30, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

If W’s administration were a TV show it would have been canceled after the 2nd episode.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

I’m here with a few others of us just trying to bring some truth and balance to the liberally controlled blogosphere that is ML’s cartoons.

Danish, I’ll try your suggestion along with all the others I’ve been told to try. Post, refresh. Here goes….

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

I’m here with a few others of us just trying to bring some truth and balance to the liberally controlled blogosphere that is ML’s cartoons.

Danish, I’ll try your suggestion along with all the others I’ve been told to try. Post, refresh. Here goes….

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

[Bush White House Outdoes Rose Mary Woods…Rose Mary Woods, Richard Nixon’s White House secretary, only managed to hide eighteen and a half minutes of her boss’s secretly tape-recorded conversations. The National Security Archive, a nonprofit outfit, says that the Bush White House deleted at least 5 million email records it should have kept. The Archive and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington have filed lawsuits that aim to recover the missing emails. (See Dan Schulman’s piece on “The Emails the White House Doesn’t Want You to See.”)](http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/10/5971bushwhite_hous.html}

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

{{{{{By John in Tampa, FLA October 30, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this If W’s administration were a TV show it would have been canceled after the 2nd episode.}}}}}

That’s actually a pretty good look at the liberal mindset. If something is difficult or doesn’t work exactly the way you want it on the first try just drop it and move on, consequences be damned. Life ain’t TV.

By Terry Sciavo

October 30, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

well no doubt the world will not allow the USA to invade iran, it just won’t happen.

if we truly want to become the ‘nazis’ of the 21st century all we gotta do is nothing, just like the germans did.

do you want to replace the germans as the worlds most hated people? well it was just a few that brought on the german hysteria, those that were the most evil and the loudest.

so don’t allow the fascist christian right destroy the last 230 years of progress our great nation has accomplished.

Their motives are no less than murder. their actions are indefensible. Their minds are twisted.

Liberals founded this country.

without liberals women couldn’t vote.

without liberals blacks would still be enslaved.

without liberals we would still have the draft.

without liberals we would still be an english colony.

without liberals we would all have mandatory christian church attendance.

i could go on and on and on.

conservative mean resistant to progress, this is not 1950. Though i understand you were brainwashed by you conservative parents, the fascism didn’t start to overtake your conservatism until the last 6-8 years. Your thoughts are dangerous and you can’t realize your insanity.

By Midori

October 30, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

thanks but no thanks, RB — I’m loathe to take advice from a moron.

By AmVet

October 30, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Incredulous!

A group of arguably the biggest screw ups in the history of American administrations completely and utterly botches one invasion/occupation from the very beginning and they think the American people now trust them with anything of import?

ESPECIALLY ANOTHER INVASION?!!!

It appears that the completely untrustworthy, incompetent and ultra arrogant Mssrs. Bush, Cheney et al are trying to do their very best to sink the free falling neo-cons even further.

And America along with them.

But if this nation can manage to survive for the next 15 months without another inept and self made calamity it MIGHT be worth it.

I smell another Republican bloodbath coming next year…

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

{{{STOP THE MADDNES!!!}}}

A bumper sticker for illiterate moonbats.

By Georgia 74

October 30, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Jefferson wrote,”Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestous sea of liberty!” Why are you wingnuts so timid, are you afraid of liberty?

By Midori

October 30, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Hey, BD — I picked up my Halloween costume yesterday.

I’m going as your sister.

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Terry (9:56) I minor correction… “without liberals blacks would still be enslaved.”. This is an incorrect statement. Because of liberals, the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

$93 for a barrel of oil and those two idiots have started a nuclear race with giving approval for Egypt nukes. Poor Israel.

“The Immunity Presidency by Kagro X Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 04:50:15 PM PDT Scooter Libby’s sentence commuted.

Telecom companies who let the government spy on you immunized.

The MCA immunizes military and intelligence operatives who tortured prisoners in Guantanamo and secret sites around the world off.

The Office of the Vice President exempts itself from secrecy standards.

The White House Information Office exempted from the Freedom of Information Act. (Hi, it’s irony calling, from beyond the grave.)

And now… Blackwater.

Gosh, but that’s an awful lot of immunity for a law n’ order preznit”

Congress should write a law to lift all this immunity.

Who in the hell told Pelosi to take impeachment off the table to give these criminals amnesty?

By HellNo, We Won't Go

October 30, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

AmeriKans are the scum bags of the world - We put an american puppet government on the throne of Iran in the 1950’s, replacing their democratically elected government. We AmeriKan pigs have put more than 50 different puppet governments in powere in various countris around the world since the end of wwii. AmeriKa has one hell of a pay back coming…….

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

On Torture, 2 Messages and a High Political Cost

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Cindy McCain Won’t Fund Husband’s Bid

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So,

“the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free”

I’ll make sure to tell all my black friends that. I’m sure they’ll all be surprised to hear that.

Wow, what a ridiculous, bigoted sentiment, just a glimpse into the warped mind of the wingnuts.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

“Edward Paul, an employee of the Delta Dental Plans Association, asked the question Monday, but had trouble being understood.

“I’m proud to say that in January 2008 New Hampshire has passed a law facilitating civil unions here. … What is your belief for federal civil unions to be passed?” Paul asked.

“Soviet Union?” Thompson responded.

“No, civil unions,” Paul said.

“Oh. No, I would not be in support of that,” Thompson said.”

No wonder duh loves this idiot. Two peas in a pod.

What a freakin moron.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Midori, why do you want to go throwing out that HATE speach like that? I thought only R’s were HATERS? Stop the HATING girl!

You’re right Amvet, we shouldn’t be threatening Iran like that. We should just let them go ahead and build their atomic weapons. Surely they wouldn’t actually carry out their threat to remove Israel from the face of the earth, would they? I mean, they’ve always been such reasonable people. Maybe you should invite them over for tea and see if you can’t encourage them to leave the infidels they’ve sworn to eliminate or convert alone. Let us know how that works out.

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 30, 2007 10:42 AM “Soviet Union?” “No, civil unions,” Paul said. Thompson responded. No wonder duh loves this idiot. Two peas in a pod.}}}}

al-Gitmo: I don’t believe there are any civil unions in the “Soviet Union” either.

It’s a good thing we Conservatives worry about the important things like our enemies, so that you libs can worry about the silly things like the weather and gay guys “marrying” each other.

We got it.

By HellNo, We Won't Go

October 30, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Let the sick brats take an aspirn like everyone else, a little reyes syndrome never hurt anyone much, and its a small price to pay for relief. Remember, 99 percent plus of all illnesses get better on their own. The first thing a Quack in private practice learns is quick, get the patient into the quacks office for a paying visit before they get better on their own.

By Terry Sciavo

October 30, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Bosch, it is not just the wingnuts…

the conservative movement has taken a sharp turn, no not the neo-con ideals, but true fascist beliefs.

via wikipedia

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity through oppression and coercion, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.

see the part where its says ‘forge a national unity through oppression and coercion. Is that not the case with mexican immigrants and the majority of black populous in the country? is this not what happens to anyone that isn’t white and protestant?

and just what are the integral parts?

nationalism… check (put your flag pin on!)

statism… check (does terri schiavo ring a bell?)

militarism… check (worlds most aggressive and evil army)

totalitarianism… certainly not as bad as say china, yet well on our way to total regulation of everything.

anti-communism… check! mcarthy? yet this is being replaced with anti-ismlamic ideas, but with russia and putin rubbing shoulders is a double check!

corporatism… check (pretty much the definition of the USA)

populism… [the use of discourses, ideas or policies which try to appeal to “the people” by the elite; rhetoric used by mainstream parties or in connection with new right-wing nationalist movements] CHECK!

collectivism [stressing the collective over the individual]… lets see, i believe that would fall under the insane docterines spoken at every pulpit in every white church in america.

opposition to economic and political liberalism… CHECK CHECK CHECK! PRETTY MUCH DEFINES THESE PEOPLE.

in all seriousness, this is not your parents conservatism… watch these people… they have a taste for blood already, DO NOT LET THEM RUIN YOUR COUNTRY!

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Bosch, be sure to catch them before they cash their welfare checks.

The majority of minorities that I know and or work with have EE degrees, computer science degrees or are working full time and going to school part time. The majority of them complain that the government handouts are hurting their relatives and friends. Handouts lessens the drive and need to succeed and to better themselves. Most identify with the GOP and ‘claim’ to be republicans. The few exceptions are the ones that still think that OJ and Vick were framed because they were successful blacks.

What are the options for everyone (black, white, green)?

Stay in school, study, work to have a better life than your parents

or

drop out of school, take the free money the government gives you, and do nothing but hangout at someone else’s expense.

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Schip of Fools link

{{… in addition to editorials favoring the Marianas and the Malaysian prime minister, RAW STORY has uncovered four other Abramoff clients that the conservative thinktank [National Center for Public Policy Research] supported in articles and newsletters: Magazine Publishers of America, Channel One, Pitney Bowes and Stoli Vodka.

…The obscure nature of the clients and the unlikelihood that [NCCPR President Amy] Ridenour would write editorials supporting six of Abramoff’s clients while claiming to know nothing of the nature of his lobbying work raises questions of how much Ridenour actually knew and whether the group received donations in exchange for supporting Abramoff.}}}

(((Tom DeLay’s Right Arm Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, and the National Center for Public Policy Research The foundation that Tom DeLay calls ‘The Center for Conservative communications’ is involved in the Majority Leader’s ethical troubles as well as a number of other right wing projects}}}}}

{{{{In 2002 ExxonMobil donated $30,000 for “educational activities” and a further $15,000 for general support. [3] In 2003 the company boosted its general operating support to $25,000 with another $30,000 for ‘global climate change/EnviroTruth website”.}}}}

Abramoff, Exxon, Delay, OH MY!

By Terry Sciavo

October 30, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

simply put, you are what is wrong with america.

By jacksonwolff

October 30, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Zelduh-

Lets see, 2002,2004,2006 ya’ll seem plenty worried about that “silly” thing of gays getting married.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

duh,

Check out idiot fred’s latest ad

By HellNo, We Won't Go

October 30, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Conservatives are the enemy. I keep a list of all the conservatives I can identify, for the future committee on crimes against humanity. I picture a 20 conservative-lawyer-team pulling a wagon load of borax out of death valley, for export to China. Of course, I am driving the wagon, and my long whip can reach the back of even the lead lawyer! mush, mutts, crack, crack

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Terry,

When I was in high school, I lived in a small town in Georgia that still had a yearly KKK rally at the courthouse.

Although the KKK’s hate speech and hate propogandic literature they passed out was geared towards blacks, I see on this blog the same kind of speech from our wingnut friends. Only now it’s, like you said, geared towards anyone who isn’t like them. It’s the same kind of thought, if you aren’t with them, you are against them; if you don’t think like me; then you are somehow an inferior human being.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bosch 10:31am

Question for you… What happens when someone at the bottom end of the economic scale rises above poverty and moves from the ranks of those “protected from the evil rich people” to the ranks of those “evil rich people who can afford to be taxed”? Do they still think the tax system is fair and they should give what they earned to the “less fortunate”? Not likely.

If you really think Bill and Hill want their consituents to move out of the lower tax brackets and become the target of their wealth redistribution vs. the recipients, you’re kidding yourself. As long as they’re victims, they’re votes. Hence the democrats schemes have kept the blacks who make up a disproportionate part of the poverty class at the bottom.

Take the minimum wage for example. Raise wage and tell those making it you’re “looking out for them”. Get their vote. Reality, the price of goods goes up equal to the rise in the minimum wage and the person is no better off than they were last year. But the libs still got their vote. Cycle continues….

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

meanwhile in Pakistan

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So,

None of my black friends or acquaintances are on welfare, sorry to burst your rascist stereotype there dude.

What about the white people on welfare? Isn’t the same applicable to them? Or is it just the black folks? Isn’t the option to stay in school and study an option for all?

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

RB,

I have a question for you. Why do you ask for a debate and then write what the other is thinking? It’s as if you’ve already made up your mind what I’m thinking and going to write, so why should I bother?

Here’s another question for you, why do you demand others provide facts for proof of their sentiments, but you have never done so?

Is life that really one-sided and finite for you?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch, you have a serious problem with comprehension dude. Really bad… Maybe that’s the root of your problem???

YOU and the dems are responsible for keeping people in poverty. YOU. Look in the mirror. It’s you. It has nothing to do with skin color, it has EVERYTHING with a person’s motivation to do something with their own destiny. Your party has told these people (most of whom happen to be minorities) they are victims of the rich man their whole life and if they’ll just vote for Dem’s, we’ll give them more stuff and make it better. So they sit there collecting their welfare checks like dutiful little mindless minions casting their votes for Dems and watching the poverty line move right on up with their welfare check increases.

Hmmm, should I get a job and lose my benefits or do nothing and get paid?

You’re keeping them down, Bosch. You know that if your honest about it.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

{{{{{Although the KKK’s hate speech and hate propogandic literature they passed out was geared towards blacks, ———>I see on this blog the same kind of speech from our wingnut friends. Only now it’s, like you said, geared towards anyone who isn’t like them. It’s the same kind of thought, if you aren’t with them, you are against them; if you don’t think like me; then you are somehow an inferior human being<———-.-by Bosch}}}}}

Don’t you wish that just once an ignorant statement like that was backed with facts and examples?

Well I guess it would have to be true for that to happen, never mind.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Bosch, you have a serious problem with comprehension dude. Really bad… Maybe that’s the root of your problem???

YOU and the dems are responsible for keeping people in poverty. YOU. Look in the mirror. It’s you. It has nothing to do with skin color, it has EVERYTHING with a person’s motivation to do something with their own destiny. Your party has told these people (most of whom happen to be minorities) they are victims of the rich man their whole life and if they’ll just vote for Dem’s, we’ll give them more stuff and make it better. So they sit there collecting their welfare checks like dutiful little mindless minions casting their votes for Dems and watching the poverty line move right on up with their welfare check increases.

Hmmm, should I get a job and lose my benefits or do nothing and get paid?

You’re keeping them down, Bosch. You know that if your honest about it.

By Dusty

October 30, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Nothing much going on here today.

Bush as a cheer leader and Cheney beating the drum. Ho hummm. More diddly dum…

On the real scene, Pelosi and Reid mumble and grumble, Boxer bellows and WaxMan melts from heated falsifications (lies, honey!). Durban should wear a mideast turban and Hillary never saw a big contributor she didn’t love. Edwards misses his ambulance chases and Kucinich won’t eat his spinach. Obama is Osama is Obama is who??? What a gaggle of loonish liberals!

Throw in Luckovich and what a laugh. All on liberals in 2008!! Wheeeee!!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Bosch, I provide facts all the time on here to support my positions or prove yours wrong. You don’t acknowledge that because you don’t want fact getting in the way.

By The Watcher

October 30, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

””“YOU and the dems are responsible for keeping people in poverty.”“”

””“. Your party has told these people (most of whom happen to be minorities) they are victims of the rich man their whole life and if they’ll just vote for Dem’s, we’ll give them more stuff and make it better”“”“

””“If you really think Bill and Hill want their consituents to move out of the lower tax brackets and become the target of their wealth redistribution vs. the recipients, you’re kidding yourself. As long as they’re victims, they’re votes. “”“”

””“”Don’t you wish that just once an ignorant statement like that was backed with facts and examples?”“”

All those R-Whatevers, and not a lick of sense between them.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Bosch, I provide facts all the time on here to support my positions or prove yours wrong. You don’t acknowledge that because you don’t want fact getting in the way.

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Bosch, (11:22) ” What about the white people on welfare? Isn’t the same applicable to them? Or is it just the black folks? Isn’t the option to stay in school and study an option for all?”

Do we have a case of ‘selective” reading?

You need to re-read my 10:55 post. Where I stated “What are the options for everyone (black, white, green)? Stay in school, study, work to have a better life than your parents or drop out of school, take the free money the government gives you, and do nothing but hangout at someone else’s expense.”

By jacksonwolff

October 30, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

looooooooong sigggggh

ok, I have to agree with some of what RB has to say. Some people will not do anything unless forced to. I am a firm believer in having a welfare system, as a SAFTEY NET, but not as a lifestyle.

when my father decided that he was going to leave my mother with three small children and no job, and a stack of bills, we had no choice but to go on food stamps and medicade (?sp). But my mother said point blank that this was NOT the way she wanted to live for the rest of her life.

These social programs should be a hand up, not a hand out. They should help when needed and then get out of the way of peoples potential for success.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

RB,

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I’m sorry you feel that way.

First of all, you don’t know me, so how can you say that?

Tell me, what exactly have I done to keep the poor in poverty? What have the Democrats done? Since the Republicans have been in power in the Congress since 1994, don’t you think they should shoulder some of this blame?

Can you name one government program that gives people money simply because they are lazy and don’t want to work?

Who are the “they” you speak of?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in your posts? Does anybody here on this blog? I’m completely dumbfounded by this man’s ignorance.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Bill Clinton did more to dismantel welfare than any repug has.Raising minumum wage has never been proven to raise prices.No one should try to live on anything less than ten dollars an hour or else they would have to turn to public asstiance like welfare. the cons just want their cake and eat it too.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

jacksonwolff,

I think most conservatives would agree with your 11:37.

J.C. Watts used to say that the true measure of a welfare type program is how many people you can get off of it. His statements were demagogued as trying to throw poor people out on the streets, but what he meant was lifting them out of poverty to become successful on their own,

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 30, 2007 11:00 AM duh, Check out idiot fred’s latest ad}}}}

al-Gitmo: When I said “our enemies” I was talking about countries like Iran, not the United States.

I guess I should have clarified that earlier.

I am not mind numbingly stupid or profoundly paranoid enough to think that the United States is some malicious genocidal dictatorship, rampaging over the innocent where ever we can find them, especially when there are so many real mass murdering governments that we can compare ourselves too.

And, except for the most common idiot liberal, see such a big difference.

But I’m sure you feel such immense bravery and derive a terrific amount of strength from your daily “struggle” against the “tyranny” of the United States and all of it’s jackboot troopers kicking your door down.

What heroes you liberals are.

By AmVet

October 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

One of the many intriguing aspects about the most self righteous and cocksure are their gift for framing everything in hyper exaggerated terms that preclude only the most extreme options.

And apparently to them, complete capitulation or total annihilation are the only two options remaining in dealing with the Iranians.

But for the rational and reasonable, they might get their wish.

And for most of the never served hawks, soldiers for Christ and the never sated blood lusting neo-cons, one has to wonder if the basic and awesome American strength and traditions of diplomacy have been abandoned.

Completely ignored/discounted by the warmongers in all of their bellicose rhetoric and chest pounding is the fact that Iran has a huge young population that desperately wants fundamental change in their country, including the removal of their insane non-secular government and it’s provocative anti-Americanism.

This nation was founded by men smart and courageous enough to know when to fight and when to negotiate.

Yet thankfully, even through all of the debacles the American people have had to endure for the past few years, to some extent, moderate, reasoned voices are still extremely powerful in this country and won’t allow yet another bungled disaster from the crowd that brought you the Iraq “war”.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Jackson,

Yes, I agree with you. It should never be a way of life.

Say It Ain’t So, Yes, those are the options for most, I got your point, but it doesn’t rectify your other statements like:

“the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free”

and

“be sure to catch them [my black friends and acquaintances] before they cash their welfare checks”

It seems you are trying to backpeddle to cover up your obviously rascist remarks. Sorry, the proof of your rascism is ^^^^^^^ for the world to see.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

RW,

I couldn’t agree with J.C. Watts more.

By SCHIP OF FOOLS

October 30, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

WTF? I give IN THE NEWS facts and it wants to give me biorhythms @ 10:59.

””“”Biorhythm theory is based more on numerology, testimonials and the Forer effect, mass media hype, and intuition than on scientific study. The theory originated in the nineteenth century with Wilhelm Fliess, a Berlin physician, numerologist and good friend and patient of Sigmund Freud.1 Fleiss was fascinated by the fact that no matter what number he picked he could figure out a way to express it in a formula with relation to either 23, 28 or both.2 The latter number he associated with {{{menstruation}}} and thus when he was convinced that all the world is governed by 23 and 28, he called the 28-day period “female” and the 23-day period “male.”“”

Greedy arsehole riding the government’s white horse?

Typical fool.

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Terry (9:56) claimed “blacks would still be enslaved”, You were the one that stated “I’ll make sure to tell all my black friends that. I’m sure they’ll all be surprised to hear that.”

My comments at 10:55 was directed at ‘minorities’, not just black. You are the one doing all the backpedaling. As far as racism, that is the lefts claim to fame. Who promoted allowing blacks to vote? The GOP. Who keeps electing a KKK ‘Exalted Cyclops’ to the senate? Why the democrats of course.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

RB,

I don’t acknowledge your “facts,” because you never post any, just rhetoric based on inaccurate stereotypes and assumptions.

Show me an indisputable “fact” you’ve posted, and I’ll acknowledge it.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Dont worry cons you will get your war.But guys we need to pick our heads up and take a look around. The problem is not Iran. We have a real problem brewing in Pakistan and Afganistan and it just keeps getting bigger. The longer we keep looking in the wrong direction the worse its going to be.We are in for a rude awaking if we dont change course.

By Rudy

October 30, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You are not alone. RB reminds me of Ann Coulter. He would not be able to exist if he couldn’t blog in an arena like this one. He is so set in his ways that the moment an intellectual person like yourself challenges him, his panties get in a wad and he starts spitting racist, conservative ideology. Although he may make you want to vomit, or cry that his parents had him in the first place, the best thing you can do is continue to register good, educated voters in this state who will elect candidates that are smart and fair. That, or we can ask him for his personal email and take care of things a different way? I kid I kid.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

duh,

“I am not mind numbingly stupid or profoundly paranoid.”

Of course , I disagree 100% on that statement.

The fundamental fact of the Constitution is we are a nation of laws and nobody is above the law. This is the basic principle your heroes swore to uphold but they ignore it and you cheer them on like that little cheerleader in this toon.

They apoproved nukes for Egypt but want war to stop Iran from getting nukes.

Only a moron like you does see something wrong with this double standard.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So,

Oh, no you don’t. Don’t put this on Terry at 9:56, your rascist comment at 10:16 is what I was referring to.

Who promoted allowing blacks to vote? John Kennedy and Congressmen from up North(Democrat and Republican).

Okay, you lost me on the KKK Exalted Cyclops, who is that?

Be back later.

By reebok

October 30, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Well, we wouldn’t have to invade Iran if they hadn’t attacked us on 9/11.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

{{{{{However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.— Sir Winston Churchill}}}}}

The “let the government handle everything” strategy has been tried since FDR. When you check out the results it pretty obvious more government isn’t the answer.

By the way, I hear a steady drumbeat of “no war with Iran” coming from the left. Where is the drumbeat for a war with them?

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Iran was a huge help in the early days of the Afganistan operations without their help it would have cost us more lives and time.We rewarded this help by declaring them part of the axis of evil.there is a huge moderate movment in Iran if we attack them it will only driv them together with the hardliners.Al queda is in pakistan and the allready have nukes.No oil though so cheney cant profit.Bin Laden is a bush family friend.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Podhoretz is a neocon who is advising Rudy for WWIII.

So, the gop position is stay the course and escalate to WWIII and the Clintons position is no WWIII with use of real diplomocy.

This puts the Clintons to win in a landslide.

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

That would be Senator Robert ‘KKK’ Byrd.

My 10:16 was in response to terry’s 9:56.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Dont let the govement run your life go back to the party of “for the people by the people” DEMS08

By mm

October 30, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Rudy,

All these wingnuts do, day after day, is repeat the garbage they hear on the TV and radio from scum like Coulter, Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc.

They don’t research anything, they just take it all as fact.

Then they parrot that crap on this blog.

Some of their posts are comical, but most are truly sad. What a pitiful life they lead. I feel sorry for their children and neighbors.

By RE

October 30, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Standard back and forth here today;

I have something I was hoping for some feedback on, and I think those with kids in middle and high school could have some insight on this. I recently talked with my niece who is in highschool. It was a little disturbing. She went on an overnight trip recently with her school, and as a condition of going on the trip she had to have all of her luggage including her pocketbook searched. It is also standard in her high school to have to submit to drug testing if you choose to participate in any afterschool activity. The school can choose to search lockers without cause, and can disipline school kids for activities that take place outside of school and increasingly for activities online.

The part that was disturbing to me was the compliance that she had toward these rules. It was like there was no expectation of privacy in the school system, there was no sense of her privacy being intruded upon. and I would imagine, kids all over are being conditioned in this way, what would that make them after they graduate. It is a generation that has submission to authority ingrained in them, not just to police but to any authority figure.

One principle of conservatives that I had always admired is a sense of individuality and a distrust of authority. But now it seems that many conservatives view this willingness to sacrifice privacy as a show of patriotic submission to authority. Where is the party that stands for individual freedom? It used to be the conservatives, but they have abandoned that position, the democrats, for whatever other merits they might have, have never stood strong against authoritarianism.

Are we conditioning a generation to not expect privacy?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Bosch, you don’t know me either, but that doesn’t stop you from tossing labels my direction. I’ve been giving you facts and data on here for the last 2 weeks, but like I said, you aren’t interested in facts. Go back and look. the data is there. Everything from the percentage of welfare recipients who worked in 2001, the cost of each welfare family in the program, reinlistement rates for soldiers in Iraq, unemployment rates and stock market performance. Remember Bosch, facts that pointed out how foolish your positions are? Remember those? I didn’t think so…

Rudy, you called me a racist in that post and I don’t much like that. If you said it to my face, you and I would have some words, my friend. I’ll expect to see some evididence of something I’ve posted to back that claim up or an apology here shortly.

By Blog Poll

October 30, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Who thinks RB from Gwinnett is a racist?

Anybody afraid of his face or his words?

By Dusty

October 30, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

RE@ 1:11

Your niece is smarter than you. She knows there are drugs in school and since she is innocent and doesn’t “do” drugs, she doesn’t mind her locker being searched.

She knows there is a war going on with subversives working against us and she doesn’t mind efforts to stop them.

She knows that during wartime special efforts and sacrifices are made in order to defeat enemies. She is willing to help her country. She also knows that wartime efforts will change at victory and if they don’t, she has the power to vote and change them.

She also knows that young people just a little older than she herself, are giving up their lives for this country in far away places. She does everything she can to support them. She does not want to battle terrorists right here at home.

She is a very smart girl. You might learn something from her.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

RE,

That was a pretty good post until you went off the rails in the third paragraph. Most of what is ascribed to conservatives as giving up individualism and privacy is what the left makes up about us.

I’ve always thought that listening in on potential foreign enemies was a good idea.

Back to the original issue you raise, most schools are government schools and they are in the business of conditioning kids that government is the answer to all their problems so the problem is much worse than just not expecting privacy. We’re conditioning then to be overly dependent, braindead liberals.

Why do you think the Democrat candidates are all trying to get their hands on our kids even earlier with their government run pre-K programs?

By Rudy

October 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

RB,

I apologize if I offended you by calling you a racist. Perhaps I misread some of your opinions and for that I apologize (see, Liberals are good ppl after all :)

What are your thoughts on this statement (I know you didn’t write it, just wondered what you thought)

“the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free”

By RE

October 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

RW,

She goes to catholic school. I am not sure where they are conditioning her that the government will solve all problems, I was never taught anything like that in school, I went to both public and private.

Dusty,

About the special wartime sacrifices, I can understand that line of reasoning. The problem is that we are not in a conventional war, this is a war on terror, which is not a country or a group of indiviuals, but a tactic. The tactic has been around for all of human history, it is the tactic used by the weak to harm the strong. This war will not end, so when you give up these freedoms expecting them back at the end of conflict, do not expect to ever get them again. If this war on terror lasts another 15 years, do not expect anyone to remember what freedoms were lost, or to demand them back.

By IN THE NEWS

October 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Top 25 Censored Stories of 2008

By Georgia 74

October 30, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Oh yea, I’ll bet RB from Gwinnett is real scary. I’m 59 and bet I could still take ‘em, he is a classic chicken hawk. I like to see him and George Bush in a tickle fight.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

RE,

Did I say that the government was conditioning YOUR NIECE? I made a general comment about the sad state of government education and what they are doing in general these days. Go read the Rainbow Fish and you’ll see why government school teachers are so fond of it and then tell me who’s doing away with individualism.

In a private school environment just as in any PRIVATE enterprise environment you choose to enter into you agree to play by their rules.

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

I have gone on many trips with the ‘government indoctrination’ high school, day trips and overnighters, NEVER have we searched the kids luggage or backpacks. We have, on two occasions, called parents and had them drive 400 miles plus to come and get their kids. Both times the kids were suspended from school. Both involved alcohol. One involved alcohol and sex.

As far as searching at school, the school has brought in drug dogs and searched lockers and class rooms but never the individual kids.

As for drug testing for after school activities, our local schools do not. At one of the board meetings someone suggested that if you want to test the kids, you had better start with the school officials and teachers first or be ready for legal action. Funny how that ended the discussion.

By Dusty

October 30, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

RE@ 1:54

I support our country in the war we have, not the war that might be. You can call it “tactics” if it pleases your liberal persona but the soldiers fighting now call it war. So do I.

We were in Japan many years after war and are still in South Korea. But those years have made little change in our everyday lives and freedoms. We will still be freedom loving Americans when the current war and settlement is over. We will help maintain freedom in some places until it is no longer necessary.

Too bad you have so little confidence in your own country. I think your niece sees the future better than you.

By RE

October 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

RW,

You are picking out details and twisitng away from what I was asking.

Do you feel it is a good thing / bad thing that children are being conditioned to expect to have no privacy?

SIAS, are you a teacher in a local school?

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Al should change his name to Buffy and his next flick could be Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Actually this article makes some sense and gives us all an easy opportunity to do a little energy conservation, but they just couldn’t resist throwing global warming into it.

The latest estimates show 5 percent of electricity used in the United States goes to standby power, a phenomenon energy efficiency experts find all the more terrifying as energy prices rise and the planet warms. That amounts to about $4 billion a year.

I guess SeeBS didn’t get the memo that it’s been changed from “warming” to “climate change.”

By getalife

October 30, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Pelosi has lost the dems due to taking impeachment off the table.

Not only is it unconstitutional because it is the one accountability for w and cheney and it is giving amnesty to all their criminal actions.

She should resign because she is ruining it for a woman to become President.

I think Reid should step aside too and let Dodd be leader if Dodd drops out. Dodd is the only Senator and it only takes one, to hold a freedom stealing bill.

By HellNo, We Won't Go

October 30, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Leave Iran alone, Bomb Israel, they are the true enemy of America. For the last 50 plus years, agents of Israel in the us congress have given on average some 10 billion dollars per year to israel of our tax dollars. I choose to believe all ten billion of those dollars per year came from the social security trust fund, and not general revenue. There are 10000 israeli agents working in washington dc to steal money, arms and lives from america. We are at war with the muslim and arab worlds solely because of israel. The selfish act of stealing arab lands to create a jewish state is unforgivable, yet we are expected to no only forgive, but completly fund this illegal and immoral land grab by jews. Save america, nuke israel now.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

RE,

Talk about twisting. Originally you asked if we were conditioning our kids to expect searches and now you’ve made the leap that we are and asked if I think it’s a good thing.

I hate to tell you this but we’ve been searching people for a very long time. When was the last time you went to an airport without a search of some sort? How about to a concert or a ballgame?

By RE

October 30, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What is the “victory condition” in the war on terror?

The elimination of all terrorist groups? Just the Muslim groups or all groups? What about the terrorist groups who fight on our side?

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

RE,

I have one high school aged son, and a son and daughter in middle school.

Before I had my kids, I thought that any intrusion on your privacy was an outrage. Yes, it is disturbing, but unfortunately necessary in this day and age.

If your niece went to a private school, she would most likely have less individualism (dress codes, hair cut rules, etc.)

I watched Columbine, Heritage High, and all those school shootings in horror like the rest of us, I’ve also seen very good kids go completely off the deep end because of drugs.

Dusty is right about sacrifices, and sometimes some just have to be made.

None of my children have ever had to have a drug test, but I can’t speak for all, even within my school system. It might just depend on the activity (football?) it is probably depends on the school system. I’m not sure.

As far as out of school activities, in my kids’ school system, if it’s a school sponsored activity, same rules apply there that they do at school.

Spend one hour in a public high or middle school and you will see that kids question authority ALL the time.

I would much rather my kids lose a little bit of their privacy than wind up shot by a stupid, mentally deficient teenager, sound a little hypocritical? You bet, but when it comes to your kids, I cave in a little.

School policy can also be influenced by community preferences as well. Do you remember the conversation you, Buy Danish and I were having the other evening about Christmas? Anytime a religious song is sung in public school, there is the possibility of someone challenging that. I think that would be kind of stupid, but yes, it could be challenged.

That school policy of searching a bag could probably be challenged, any school policy can be challeneged for that matter, but sometimes common sense just has to prevail.

By mm

October 30, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 1:36,

Leave it to you to try to tie this stupid war (actually occupation) to a school invading kids privacy.

And by the way, there will be no victory other than pulling our troops out. We can’t defeat an enemy that hides in the shadows and blows up our soldiers, and innocent women and children. They don’t care about their own lives, much less anybody else’s. We can keep killing them, but they are not going to walk out into the town square waving a white flag like the Iraqi army did. They will just keep coming and coming until we leave.

And you’re right, we get to vote next year to get the idiot wingnuts out of office.

And restore our rights and repair the damage done to America’s reputation around the world. And implement some fiscal responsibility.

By Time to Nuke Israel NOW

October 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

RE, the victory condition would be the complete and utter destruction of the state of israel, and all its treasons supporters in ameriKa.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I doubt that the rule that allows the private Catholic School to search RE’s niece’s bag could be successfully challenged. It’s a private school so they could just tell her to go elsewhere if she didn’t like the rules.

By RE

October 30, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

I know I am searched at the airport. And at first it was an inconvinence that I accepted due to what happened after 9-11. and now it it so common, I have come to not question why they are doing what they do. First the metal detector, then taking the shoes off, then no water bottles, no lighters… and on and on.

And back in he 90s, people were not searched at concerts and ball games, not that I remember. certainly not in the 80s.

There is a mindset out there that is changing the US population, that whatever is asked by a person in uniform you must do. and it is spreading, as people go along like sheep obeying whatever the government officer or private security officer tells them to do.

It reminds me of that kid in florida who got tazered. He was being loud and annoying, but not posing a danger to anyone in the room. But he was forcibly removed by campus security. And the majority of the popuation seemed to mock him for speaking up. No student went to aid him as he was held down and tazered for being rude. it is odd how sheeplike society has become, and in my mind it was always the conservatives that spoke out in protection for the individual, but I do not see it anymore.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

I wrote that before I read that about the Catholic school bit. You are right about private schools. You sign up to go, you abide by their rules, end of story.

By AmVet

October 30, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Watch out son! That guy in the bunk next to you could be a gang-banger or a neo-con pedophile!

Military Lowers Standards to Fill Ranks

The military has loosened recruiting standards to enlist older, less educated soldiers — some with criminal pasts — in an effort bolster the nation’s dwindling volunteer ranks.

Five years into an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq, the Army barely made its annual recruiting quota of 80,000 for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30 after missing several monthly goals. Army and Air Force National Guards are still short, and future recruitment is looking bleak, officials say.

To attract and keep troops, the Army is taking some extraordinary steps, which may have disastrous consequences to the military’s future.

For example, the Army is granting more waivers to would-be soldiers who have had problems with the law.

The U.S. Army Recruiting Command at Fort Knox, Ky., reported that the Army allowed 1,620 enlistees with felony arrests and convictions into the forces this year, compared with just 459 in 2003.

The number of “moral character” waivers granted to recruits who would otherwise be ineligible for enlistment jumped to 12,057 last year, the highest total in five years. Some 18 percent of Army recruits required such waivers in 2007, up from 15 percent in 2006.

Even worse, The Armed Forces’ narrowly constrained use of official criminal records entails almost complete reliance on recruits’ own confessions of wrongdoing, and many can be missed.

Federal officials admit that such recruits are more likely “to become disciplinary cases or security risks” and “disrupt good order, morale and discipline.” Between 1990 and 1993, 26.6 percent of Armed Forces members with a moral waiver washed out due to “misconduct,” compared to 13.3 per cent of those without a moral waiver, the Government Accountability Office found.

More to follow.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

RB,

Any drone could post “facts” that have nothing to do with the topic at hand - and to be honest, your credibility here isn’t that great. You’ve never posted a link to these facts, and I’m sorry, but I have to see something to believe it. I’m funny that way. I have to read an evaluate the source of the information before I believe something, I don’t take the rantings of some wingnut as the gospel truth. I’m funny that way.

Here’s a fun exercise for you:

Why don’t you find some facts to support your claims from above and prove me wrong — claims you’ve made TODAY, not two weeks ago. Seriously, if you can, I am one to admit a mistake.

Make sure to link these so called “facts” so we can all see them (this ought to be fun considering he hasn’t figured out the post button yet).

By @@

October 30, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

I am totally confused on this one. The liberal blogosphere is against Obama because he’s a gay basher????

Something to do with some gospel singer, McClurkin. If it’s true that McClurkin was raped by same-sex family members and it was this misuse of his sexuality that prompted him to act out (no pun intended), is it then possible that he was never gay and his turn about had something to do with that reality. He asks gays not to label him a bigot or a homophobe when he has experienced the lifestyle.

Why the heck is the GLBT outraged? Obama had a gay minister at the concert too.

I feel a little bit of sympathy for Obama on this one. He’s not allowed to be in the center on this issue. The center is where he thought everyone wanted him to be.

What is it with the radical leftist groups? You have to support either or???? there’s no in-between????

Somehow African Americans figured into this skirmish. There are African Americans who support McClurkin, but somehow, at the same time the appearance of McClurkin was a slap in the face to African Americans?

Maybe I missed something. I’ll read further and try to piece the puzzle together unless there’s someone here who can help me understand.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

RE,

I guarantee you that you were searched at the airport long before 9/11. I agree that the ridiculous restrictions they throw up there and then take away are silly.

Bag searches at ballgames and concerts have been going on for a lot longer than you think. I know that the Falcons started bag searches in the 1970’s. I went to an Aerosmith concert in Columbia, South Carolina in 1975 or 6 and everybody was searched. The ticket was only $7.00 though, so some things have changed more than others.

By AmVet

October 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

And now there is even less reason for our “mature”, semi-educated chickenhawks to avoid service to the nation.

The Army also raised the maximum enlistment age twice, from 35 years, to 40 years, and finally, to 42 years, in 2006, meaning troops will be older. Other service branches did not increase their age maximums.

Education requirements also have been lowered. In 2003, more than 94 percent of new recruits had a high school diploma. This year, that number dropped to just 79 percent, causing serious concern for whether these soldiers will be able to adequately perform in an increasingly technical military environment.

Increased bonuses for enlistment, re-enlistment and “quick-ship” bonuses of up to $20,000 for a recruit willing to hit boot camp within 30 days of enlistment, are making recruitment a high-cost proposition as well, with retention alone costing the military $660 million this year, according to the Army Times.

Even with the dramatic changes, standards are likely to drop even further, experts predict. The Army plans to expand its permanent force from 512,000 to 547,000 by 2010, meaning even higher recruitment goals must be met.

“One way to add more troops would be to reinstitute the draft,” says Korb. “But that won’t happen, because the people and Congress won’t allow it. If that happened, we would be plunged back into the ‘60s protest era overnight.

“The Army is going day to day, just praying this war ends. We’ll be paying the price for lowering enlistment standards for 10 years.”

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

I believe that most gays had a similar experience as McClurkin. They’re just not honest about it because they don’t want it used by others to correct their behavior.

By Rudy

October 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

@@,

I am personally not supporting Obama, at least for now, and am equally as dumbfounded by the left’s criticism that he is a anti-gay. Us libs need to take a lesson from the Wingnuts: They sure as hell aren’t going to clean up their act anytime soon so we can either continue to be honest and fair and loose each year, or we can PLAY THE GAME. Any candidate who comes out 100% for gay marriage is a complete bufoon. You cannot be elected in this country with that stance.

Instead, PLAY THE GAME: try to befriend both sides and once you have gotten yourself into the whitehosue (after outsmarting-shouldn’t be hard-the right wing freaks) you can stand up for what you really believe. Sure it is unsavory. Sure it goes against our morals. But unless we play ball with these corrupt, greedy liars then the dems will NEVER take back the big house on the hill.

By Frank

October 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

I bought a car yesterday, and when I signed the papers, all the salesmen in the place ran into the show room and started doing celebration dances, including the cabbage patch, five guys doing the high five, the dirty-diapered baby-wipe, they even spun a tire iron around on the floor. I called the Better Business Bureau and file charges of “taunting a customer”. That prompted The General Manager to call and apologized to me saying he only wanted to see the original salemen do the robot. I got a free oil change out of it, so I’m fine, no really, it didn’t affect me at all….. (nyick ninny hoo)

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

@@,

“What is it with the radical leftist groups? You have to support either or???? there’s no in-between????”

You could insert “radical right groups” for “radical leftist groups” and ask the same question.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

You should know doomed.

Craig pervert.

Anyhoo @@,

Obama’s campaign is history, he is looking toward the next Presidential campaign.

Its the Clintons in a landslide.

By RE

October 30, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I understand about changing your views as your situation changes, I just had a kid and a lot of things changed for me.

The question comes down to risk vs liberty and the balance between them. I think historically it is a one way slide, the rules are always moving toward mitigating risk at the expense of liberty, and while I do recognize some common sense approches to mitigating risk, it seems that the populace is more compliant than it has been to allowing others (schools, law enforcement) to determine what is safe and not safe for individuals. Without getting into the facism debate, it does seem that a frightened populace is more easily controlled, if 9-11 never happened, would you willingly be throwing out your water bottle and taking off your shoes before getting on an airplane? Would you not speak up a little?

By Rudy

October 30, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Oh gosh I’m sorry but I had to do it. This is getting abso-friggin-ridiculous. Keep it in your pants Wingnuts! (no pun intended)

http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2007/10/10292007_Curtis-denies-wrongdoing-says-he-is-not-gay.cfm

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Speaking of gays….

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Leave it to getalife to take offense to the gay issue. What’s the matter dude, did I hit a little too close to home?

What’s with the “doomed” reference? I thought he was gone. If you think that I’m him, then you’re dumber than you are gay.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Just mention “gay” and doomed appears.

Weird.

By RE

October 30, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Hey is Andy around today?

I thought he might want to call me an idiot again for what I said about the US dollar, gold, oil, euro and GB pound.

I guess I was all wrong and he was right.

Stagflation 08!

By jacksonwolff

October 30, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

As to the searches in schools, I got my diploma from high school in ‘95. They were searching lockers and cars then. This is realy not about 9/11.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

RE,

I would not only speak up, but I’d probably be the one slammed to the ground because I was screaming, “Make me throw my away my water bottle, you stupid Mother Fvcker!!!!”

But, not anymore.

I think that compliance is changing, and you see alot more challenges to things than you used to.

Of course people are more easily controlled through fear. Look at insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies - insurance companies prey on your fears - Ask your doctor if you need this medication (even though they don’t tell you what the hell this medication is for), unfortunately fear works in our society.

People are afraid they’ll get sick, we are afraid of the unknown, so we need protection. We fear death, so we need religion and an afterlife.

But fear has been an element in our society since it’s inception, but so has our liberties and I really believe that more and more people aren’t so swayed by the 9-11 card.

IMHO, if Guiliani is smart, he’ll come up with something better than being the 9-11 guy or we’ll have our first female president.

By jacksonwolff

October 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

RW-

thank you for the laugh on an otherwise VERY BORING day at work.

By Frank

October 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Is a female terrorist a veiled threat?

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Sigh………

I would really love to go to see the Smashing Pumpkins tonight.

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm October 30, 2007 1:06 PM All these wingnuts do, day after day, is repeat the garbage they hear on the TV and radio from scum like Coulter, Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc.}}}}

This coming from the Huffington Post/ Daily Kooks mouthpiece with their babbling insanity of “war for oil” “9/11 was an inside job” “the 50,000 dead in the invasion of Iraq” “Israel runs our government” and a whole host of other goofy ideas that m is for moron swallows hook, line and sinker.

Things that you should freaking know are BS, this clown runs with it.

~~~~~

{{{{By RE October 30, 2007 3:24 PM Hey is Andy around today? I thought he might want to call me an idiot again for what I said about the US dollar, gold, oil, euro and GB pound.}}}}

RE: Last month, even with the 300 point one day loss of the DOW, my mutual funds increased on an average of 7%.

How much has gold risen?

You still stuck on selling low and buying high?

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Quick quiz! Who’s the only candidate that has run an ad using 9/11 this year?

jacksonwolff,

You’re welcome. I’m glad I didn’t see that before fixing breakfast this morning.

Bosch/RE,

The airport security comparison makes no sense when viewed in pre and post 9/11 terms. The airlines were in charge pre 9/11 and the government after.

DAMN! I just heard that the Navy bombed Virginia Beach with a ten pound training bomb.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 30, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Geography is important.

Getting stoned means one thing in Amsterdam and something entirely different in Saudi Arabia.

Sidenote to Amvet: hot and muggy down here today.

By @@

October 30, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Yeah…yeah…yeah Bosch. I hear you yet again.

(((You could insert “radical right groups” for “radical leftist groups” and ask the same question.)))

I can honestly say that I don’t see the same level of “OUTRAGE” coming from the right though.

There were African Americans for and against McClurkin. McClurkin was not opposed to gays. Obama is not opposed to gays.

The GLBT is opposed to McClurkin and African Americans who support him and Obama who wanted to remain neutral.

The way I viewed this one is that the GLBT is opposed to everyone that isn’t in agreement with them. You either have to be for them or you’re against them.

Hell, I thought the middle was where everyone needed to be. Obviously that’s not the case with some.

By RE

October 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Andy, 60 day gold prices.

Aug 31st 665 Oct 30th 792

19.09% gain

Nice job on the 7% though

By RE

October 30, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa,

Gettin a little cold and windy out here in Ft Lauderdale, looks like a storm is coming thursday or friday, should be less than a cat 1 though. My first Hurricane since moving to the beach, the waves were really kicking up today.

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

“Hell, I thought the middle was where everyone needed to be. Obviously that’s not the case with some.”

WTF? Did the Earth just shake?

Just kidding. I think that whole thing was blown out of proportion as usual and it was hard for me to keep up with who was mad at who last night, and who said what, etc.

It will be forgotten tomorrow.

By Frank

October 30, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

I can play really accurate air guitar to any smashing pumpkin song, (but only the unplugged versions)

By @@

October 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

(((It will be forgotten tomorrow.)))

Not by people like me Bosch. I’m trying to understand THEM, but when I go to the left-wing blogs, THEY are using this McCurkin guy to bash right-wing evangelicals…like we were involved somehow. It was a concert for a Obama, a Democrat for crying out loud.

But then you often join the group that likes to bash the party faithful, don’t you? That’s one bond you share with them I guess.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Great interview with Rudy in process with Neal Cavuto.

“We should give the death penalty to the death tax”.

Bravo!

By Say It Ain't So

October 30, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

RE (2:22) Sorry, I’ve been away for awhile.

No, I am not a teacher. I do work in IT at an area college/university. But I have been very involved in my kid’s school over the years.

RW (2:27) The difference in being searched at the airport and at a public school is that no one forces you to go to the airport. Try keeping your kids out of school and see what happens. I know, I know, private school/home school. Sorry but that is not an option for everyone.

I graduated in ’72 and do not remember anyone ever being searched at school. AND there was a lot that would have been found if they had of. Smoking pot in the bathrooms was a common occurrence.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 30, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Hey RE:

I was living in Plantation when Andrew blew thru. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!

And we were on the outer edges.

It isn’t easy putting black plastic on a roof in August with no electricity and 90+ temps. The smell of death from all the dead animals was sickening.

By @@

October 30, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

BTW, before I exit for awhile.

I can assume that all the posters at those liberal blogsites aren’t “gay”, just taking a “liberal” enjoyment in blaming evangelicals in their “OUTRAGE” over Obama.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Say it ain’t so,

I don’t think I equated being searched at school with being searched at the airport, only that being searched in various places started way before George W. Bush and 9/11. Also it seems the intrusive search RE brought up was in a private school anyway.

I graduated in 1973 and you’re right about the treasure trove of goodies they would have found back then.

By RE

October 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

John,

This is going o be a nice runthrough. We are right on the beach off of A1A, fairly strudy condo so we should be ok but man, it is different when there is nothing out there but the ocean to stop the wind. sustained 30 mph wind for the last 2 days, and it isn’t even close yet.

By Paul

October 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

RE

Short answer is, courts have repeatedly expectations of privacy, free expression, control of “press” (student papers) are very, very minimal in schools.

I’d hope the schools were covering in the gov’t, civics classes about the times at which “rights” apply and when they don’t.

After graduation - some think “their” desk and “their” computer gives them a right to privacy. They don’t. Employers are pretty much free to monitor all communications.

I’m not sure about the “conservative” remark about the judiciary. Now if an officer asks you for ID you have to produce. Used to be you could ignore him (but while many people recognized the points of law, many were taught - as I was in HS gov’t - that it isn’t exactly bright to do so if you were a young guy with long hair and a beard stopped by a cop for a traffic infraction.

So the task for the schools is to teach the kids - or have the parents/relatives teach them - that situational rules apply.

Tell your niece that it won’t be long before her niece is asking her to support her righteousness indignation against the school for putting the skids on her clothing, hairstyle and free speech lives. That will never change. But tell her to have (her) niece question authority, anyway. Keeps everyone on their toes.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

October 30, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

CHRISTIANITY IS STUPID GIVE UP

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 30, 2007 3:50 PM Andy, 60 day gold prices. Aug 31st 665 Oct 30th 792 19.09% gain Nice job on the 7% though.}}}}

Oh, so now we’re picking the time frame that best suits our scenario, eh?

Gold 1 year, 10/30/06, 605- 10/30/07, 785, that’s 23%

Oppenheimer Developing Markets, same time period 41 to 59, that’s 31%, I actually made 38% because I sold high when the mortgage “crisis” hit and then bought back in low when the interest rates were cut.

Nice job on the 23%.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 30, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

RE:

When we knew Andrew was coming we took one car and loaded it with provisions and parked it in a multi-story parking garage along with alot of other people’s cars and their boats. At that time Andrew was a cat 4 and was heading directly towards Ft Laud. It veered to Homestead at the last minute and spared us.

You should be fine, those A1A condos are like fortresses.

Just be sure you have a radio, flashlights, candles and lots of batteries and a manual can opener.

Good Luck

By RE

October 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I think there is a distinction to be made, however between rules curtailing dress, hair, jewlery, or any other appearence issue with that of actual searches of belongings or mandatory drug testing. Having a dress code is fine by me, it is setting a certain standard of conduct which I believe a school has a right to do. Conducting a search is different

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

RE,

Looks like my wish is finally coming true.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Rudy, thanks for the apology. Mighty big of you.

To your question about the following comment…“the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free”

I think there is a lot of truth to it. I think many at the bottom of our economic scale are being used to buy votes. People are being told “hang on there and I’ll throw you a lifeline”, but the lifeline is never enough to get them out of poverty. So they get the “vote for me and I’ll get you more” routine. It never ends and neither does the outcome. As long as they’re receiving welfare, they will never be above the poverty line.

To the comment about the minimum wage not increasing the cost of things, please think a little and do some simple math. What is it you think happens to the additional money a fast food restaurant owner has to pay employees? You think the owner just decided one day to make less money on his investment? Not likely. He’s making up the difference somewhere, either by raising prices, eliminating headcount, or something. Nothing happens for free.

By Frank

October 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Lucko’s cartoon was very funny and true and a clue for future antropologists when they find it under all the rubble, but shouldn’t Bush be waving american flags instead of pom poms? It’s nationalism and jingoism he cheers.

One thing I always assumed: that our leaders knew better than to start wars: that’s it’s always better to negotiate a deal when an middle eastern country stays in it’s borders and undergoes change. We provided elections for Iraqis, and they elected shia radicals. We’re stuck with them. Are the McRoves suggesting we overthrow the elected government like we done in Iran last century? Is there a shah in the house?

Now we’re stuck in a war till the bitter end. Lets say we win tonite. All the bad guys come out with their hands in the international sign of surrender, saying, “Dont shoot, gringos, we give up. We want jobs. We want women. We want Iphones!”

What would we do? We have no clue. We’d probably keep shooting at them. We know no other way to deal with middle eastern islamics/islamists/terrorists/insurgents/al queda/poppy growers/taliban/al jezeria pundits/brown skinned people different than us squatting on their own oil…..

By RE

October 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

ok, should I know what you are wishing for?

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

RE,

Ooops. You forgot to post as IN THE NEWS at 4:51.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Rudy, thanks for the apology. Mighty big of you.

To your question about the following comment…“the blacks are still enslaved through welfare, government handouts and no incentives to set themselves free”

I think there is a lot of truth to it. I think many at the bottom of our economic scale are being used to buy votes. People are being told “hang on there and I’ll throw you a lifeline”, but the lifeline is never enough to get them out of poverty. So they get the “vote for me and I’ll get you more” routine. It never ends and neither does the outcome. As long as they’re receiving welfare, they will never be above the poverty line.

To the comment about the minimum wage not increasing the cost of things, please think a little and do some simple math. What is it you think happens to the additional money a fast food restaurant owner has to pay employees? You think the owner just decided one day to make less money on his investment? Not likely. He’s making up the difference somewhere, either by raising prices, eliminating headcount, or something. Nothing happens for free.

By getalife

October 30, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

“Giuliani Still At Firm He Promised To Leave In April:

Past Clients: OxyContin Maker…‘Confessed Drug Smuggler’…Horse-Racing Industry”

Nice ethics Rudy.

Geez.

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

RE,

There’s a tropical storm that is gradually turning into a hurricane. It will reach huricane CAT 4 status in the area where you are a week from now. Please don’t move.

By Paul

October 30, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

RE

As you said your niece was going on an overnighter, certain standards of liability accrue to the school and the officials that drive much of the behavior. Rather similar to doctors ordering what some would describe as “unnecessary” tests to defend against suit. In this case, if students were to bring prohibited or illegal items on a school-sponsored event, which later were a contributing factor or cause of injury to one of the parties, the school could be held financially liable for failing to exercise due diligence.

Just a supposition on my part. But that is why one usually doesn’t see random inspections of belongings during the school day.

I rather chuckled at your last post. I’ve often found many of the “standards” for hair, clothing, etc to be rather arbitrary and capricious, more in line with someone’s idea of what’s “proper” than anything (I never made hair length or style an issue with my kids). Then again, I don’t have much patience for parents who, knowing the standards in place at a school, send their kids off with a t-shirt with some politically or socially profane comment. I think some of those parents likely had difficulty in school and are using their kid to prove the point - 25 years later.

If it’s not too personal - where in FL are you?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

LuckoDuh, Buy Danish, Mad as Zell, and I as described by George Orwell in 1984:

“A Party member…is supposed to live in a continuous frenzy of hatred of foreign enemies and internal traitors, triumph over victories, and self-abasement before the power and wisdom of the Party. The discontents produced by his bare, unsatisfying life are deliberately turned outwards and dissipated by such devices as the Two Minutes Hate, and the speculations which might possibly induce a sceptical or rebellious attitude are killed in advance by his early acquired inner discipline…called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”

I’m a little confused though, was Orwell saying this is a bad thing?

RWNJIFG

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE, er, IN THE NEWS October 30, 2007 4:51 PM Kucinich says what a lot of people are thinking}}}}

Which is:

{{{{Kucinich Questions Bush’s Mental Health}}}}

This scares me because if anyone knows what a whackjob is, it is Kucinich:

{{{{On September 14, 2005 Congressman Kucinich introduced H.R. 3760 (first introduced July 11, 2001) a bill to create a Cabinet-level Department of Peace and Nonviolence which embodies a broad-based approach to peaceful, non-violent conflict resolution at both domestic and international levels. The Department of Peace and Nonviolence would serve to promote non-violence as an organizing principle in our society, and help to create the conditions for a more peaceful world.}}}}

Yeah, that went over real well.

Doesn’t it tell you everything about RE, er, IN THE NEWS, that he would take advise from Dennis Kucinich?

By RE

October 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Ft Lauderdale, on the beach, gettin ready for a storm.

Apocolypse, Thanks for the off handed “hope you die” comment. Not really sure who you are or why you feel like me and my family suffering though a cat 4 storm would make the world better, but I think you have stated more about yourself than about me.

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

RE,

Maybe if you were spending more time with your family instead of j@cking off an online blog under multiple personalities, I wouldn’t make such comments. Loser.

By Luckoduh

October 30, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{By The Apocalypse October 30, 2007 4:59 PM There’s a tropical storm that is gradually turning into a hurricane. It will reach huricane CAT 4 status in the area where you are a week from now.}}}}

Apoc: What we are witnessing is a virtual repeat of Hurricane Katrina, right before our very eyes.

As the storm picked up strength and steamed directly towards New Orleans, all of the idiot liberals in it’s path sat around in babbling fascination with the wind until the wall of water washed them out to the Superdome, from whence they launched their mindless assault on George Bush.

Get in the car, RE, er, IN THE NEWS, and drive you moron.

By RE

October 30, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Nope, I thought Bush was a few fries short of a happy meal years ago.

If you had to put a name on his condition, it would be a sociopath. he seems to have a complete disconnect from the suffering of others, or even an acknowledgement of the consequences of his own actions. When you giggle about world war 3 and bombing Iran, it kinda pegs you as disconnected with reality.

Interesting thing to do, if you have the time. Listen to a GWB bush speech from when we was governor of TX and listen to a recent speech. He didn;t always fumble over words and stammer, he has changed.

By Call 911

October 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

When 911 happened, I thought is was the Unibomber. Then I thought it was Khadafi… or the PLO. Who did 911?

No really, who was the mastermind behind 911? Was it OBL? or was he merely the figurehead? Somebody planned it. Who? Who were the hijackers? Where is the profile of these terrorists who lived here? I haven’t seen anything.

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq? In Afghanistan?

Why do the Chinese need so much oil? Are they industrializing? Modernizing? Becoming Us? India too? Is that why oil is surging?

Somebody please inform me of these questions that I axed this day.

By Paul

October 30, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

RE

Best of luck to you. Hopefully it’ll go even harder to the northeast. I was on the opposite coast when we had one coming directly at us. Tracked straight and true for a couple of days - then 50 miles off shore it did a fishhook due south and hit Ft Myers instead. So there’s really no telling.

But when it blows away - find a hole-in-the-wall Cuban family restaurant. You won’t be sorry -

Sometime you may want to try a day stop at St Augustine - wonderful old feel to it, good sightseeing with the old Spanish structures.

But hey, you’re kinda close to Key West - so in honor of Hemingway, it’s daiquiri time!

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

A group of congressmen has asked the Department of Veterans Affairs to reconsider its ban on the flag-folding ceremony at military funerals after the agency decided last month to streamline burials at federal cemeteries.

How to make a rabid (and congenitally miserable) secularists happy? Take away the right of military families to choose!

As someone who has observed this ceremony at military funerals, it is unfathomable to me that this beautiful, solemn, and comforting tribute could have been banned.

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

RE,

Alright, alright. Hope you get back safe, especialy your kids.

P.S. Drop your wife off in Tifton,GA. Me and Lucko have a special treat for her.Hahahaha!

By Weather Man

October 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

RE

Watch the high pressure system shown over Virginia

If it gets due north of Noel before the storm passes you watch out for it being steered right into you. If Noel stays east of the high you’ve got nothing to worry about.

By RE

October 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Wow, you live in tifton. Which massage parlor do you work at? Must be tought to get the floors clean.

By RE

October 30, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

out for the day, going to stock up.

cya

By rushncap

October 30, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Of course Muffin is lying. Again. Here’s from HER OWN link (which she obviously does not read, but figured since it’s from Fox “News” she must agree with it): “And though the next-of-kin can request the reading at the service, the ban has caused a furor among veterans.”

I guess forcing religious interpretations on the dead and their next of kin is what America is all about, right? Is the 12th fold for Allah, by the way? Or Buddha? Thought so…

By Bosch

October 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

RB,

And you are certainly entitled to think that, but I challenge you to think a bit about blaming everything on the democrats.

Raising minimum wage does have an impact on the price of things going up, but there are other factors as well, such as the price of oil.

Since “poverty” or rather need is the main criteria for eligibility for participation in needs oriented government programs, you are right that those who receive money for need type programs will always be below the poverty line. It’s a little mo re complicated than just being lazy and the democrats giving out money.

I happen to be thankful to live in a country that will offer assistance to those that truly need it. I never said, or will never say that I think eligibility in a need-based government program should be permanent (except for those that are disabled or need special housing considerations), but in general, no, and not too many government programs are set up that way.

I know there are those that abuse the system, that’s not the democrats fault either, that is the fault of the criminals that abuse the system.

Also remember, “welfare” occurs at all levels of the socioeconomic ladder.

By Father Joseph III

October 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

We search all the children in catholic school just so we can feel them up!! May the holy spirit be with you, heh heh heh

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Ceremonies have been halted. Moreover, families can have a reading if they request it, BUT”

{{{“The National Cemetery Administration must not give meaning, or appear to give meaning to the folds of the flag by endorsing or distributing any handouts on ‘The Meaning of Each Fold of an Honor Guard Funeral Flag.’”}}}

Translation:

Those in attendance are left in the dark as to the symbolism of the folds because it’s so darned offensive to some people!

And:

{{{Rabbi Yitzhak Miller of Temple Beth El said he understands the ban. “It is a perfect example of government choosing to ignore religion in order to avoid offending some religions,” Miller said. “To me, ignoring religion in general is just as problematic as endorsing any one religion.”}}}

What’s that all about, Munchkin? That makes about as much sense as you do, which is…none.

By rushncap

October 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Muffin, if those handouts included gods other than the one you choose to worship, you’d be screaming bloody murder. That’s why you were so afraid to answer my question. So I’ll repeat: what if one of the folds talked about Allah?

BTW, if you think you’re a better scholar than an ordained rabbi… man, you really are full of yourself.

By Sweet Lorraine

October 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

You’re a bad man, Father Joseph. You’re a VERY bad man.

By Ralph

October 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

So yes, ,the Army continue4s to lower its standards to an embarrassing level. This country has done its best to black itself down. Look, talk, act. The U.S. has dumbed itself down before it was fashionable to be…dumbed down! The proof is all around you. Just look at the offerings here from the Repugs. The Worst Generations with all The Wrong Stuff.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

If I go to a funeral service for a, say, Atheist, I am not going to be offended if they don’t include religious references in the service.

The friends or non-immediate family members of the deceased have nothing to do with designing the service. Are you that ignorant of how these things work?

I don’t know why this is so difficult for you, since you have no problem when the Government makes these decisions for all of us.

By Bob

October 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

BD. BTW, what joke of a god is it that a sweathog like you worships??

By Sweet Lorraine

October 30, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Nobody’s going to click on your pathetic virus-infected links, RW. Why dont you stop playing with your yellow submarien and go link youself to a screaming blue meanie?

John Paul George and Ringo

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

By rushncap

October 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{That’s why you were so afraid to answer my question. So I’ll repeat: what if one of the folds talked about Allah?}}}

If, If, If.

It is unlikely that a Muslim would express the symbolism of the flag folding ceremony because it is a Christian ceremony and because {{the fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, “Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong.”}}

Do I need to remind you who Stephen Decatur is Munchkin?

{{{BTW, if you think you’re a better scholar than an ordained rabbi… man, you really are full of yourself.}}}

That statement made no sense as it was contradictory, but maybe you can make sense of it for me!

Moreover, a religious scholar doesn’t necessarily know squat about the Constitution. Kinda like how a UNC physicist doesn’t know squat about biology and thinks that it is a matter of opinion based on consensus when life begins.

By Paul

October 30, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Sweet Lorraine

Trend Micro Internet Security. Antivirus. Antispyware. Firewall. Click on any link you want. It works.

Then you can click on links that will challenge assumptions and stereotypes.

RW-(the original)

The first link illustrates one of my pet peeves about many (not all) Democrats: the first, and only, “solution” is to raise taxes. Period - witness Obama and Hillary with Social Security. You just linked to, what, over a billion dollars that could be cut? Put in place by Democrats?

A billion here, a billion there. Pretty soon you’re talking real money -

By @@

October 30, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

(((If one were to advise a candidate about the happiness gap, you’d say: first, don’t try to be inspiring or rely on the pure power of authenticity. In these cynical days, voters are not interested in uplift.)))

(((Second, don’t propose any program that will interfere with the way voters are currently organizing their lives. They don’t want you there.)))

(((Third, don’t expect people to cast votes according to their income. Democrats do as well among top earners as Republicans. People are more interested in repairing the nation’s health than in boosting their personal bottom line.)))

(((Fourth, offer voters a few big proposals (and strategies to implement them) that respond to global threats. Repeat those proposals at every event and forget about everything else.)))

In 1933, Franklin Roosevelt could launch the New Deal because voters wanted to change the country and their own lives. But today, Americans want the government to change so their own lives can stay the same. Voters don’t want to be transformed; they want to be defended.

Hell, the Democrats have been and will forever be stuck in 1933 when they’re not waxing philosophical about the radical 60’s that is…

That’s ^^^ how I feel TODAY.

I require four simple things.

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Polly,

As Paul suggests you should take prophylactic steps to guard your equipment when wading into something unknown, but one of those links is to CNN, so I would be extra careful.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Here is the official 2005 Air Force statement on changes to the flag folding ceremony:

{{{There is no shortage of scripts available that can be read aloud during a flag folding*, but many of those scripts are religious in nature and also ascribe meaning to the individual folds put into the flag. One of the oldest of those scripts is attributed to an anonymous chaplain at the U.S. Air Force Academy.}}

This is where they err:

———>Individuals who hear those scripts end up attributing the contents of the script to the U.S. Air Force.<——— But the reality is that neither Congress, nor federal laws related to the flag, assign any special meaning to the individual folds. Colonel Hudspath said that was the primary motive for creating a new flag-folding script.

So, because ignorant people incorrectly assume it is sanctioned by the government they have to forbid religious scripts altogether?

That’s bureaucratic logic for ya.

*For the former communists amongst us, that means there is a choice!

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Paul,

When they talk about the joys of Paygo they mention offsetting things with new taxes or spending cuts, but somehow in practical application they always forget that second option.

By Paul

October 30, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

RW

Maybe that’s why they called it PAY as you go instead of CUT as you go?

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Liberals want to take over so that they can legalize gay marriage and outlaw christianity. They want absolute hell on earth.

By Sailor

October 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

the sailor said “Andi/e-duh, you’re a fine girl…”

S/he wore her little cheerleader uniform last night. Same old same old otherwise - lots of licking, lapping, and guzzling.

Damn, s/he’s good.

Wish I could quit you, Andi/e-duh.

By The Apocalypse

October 30, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

RE(IN THE NEWS, and RWNJIFG),

I don’t live in Tifton, but some friends of mine who live there told me about a special cabin that they like to take girls to and experiment on them. Your wife will love it.

By Buy Danish

October 30, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Here’s a little something for the Moonbats to sleep on.

Or not.

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