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By Mike Luckovich | Friday, October 26, 2007, 11:52 PM

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By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

ANY WONDER WHY THEY CONSIDER MEDIA MATTERS ENEMY NUMBER ONE?

{{Couric admits feeling NBC pressure}}

{{Chris Matthews Says Cheney Pressured MSNBC Brass to Influence Content}}

{{The Education Department paid commentator Armstrong Williams $241,000 to help promote President Bush’s No Child Left Behind law on the air, an arrangement that Williams acknowledged yesterday involved “bad judgment” on his part.}}

{{Documents released by the Agriculture Department show it paid a freelance writer $9,375 in 2003 to “research and write articles for hunting and fishing magazines describing the benefits of NRCS (Natural Resources Conservation Service) programs.”}}

{{In May 2004, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) determined that the Bush administration violated federal law by releasing television “news segments” that favorably depicted a new Medicare law}}

{{ On January 6, the GAO announced that the Bush administration again broke the law by producing similar “news segments” about drug use, saying the segments “constitute covert propaganda” because they did not identify the government as the source of the materials. }} {{James Dale Guckert (born 1957) worked under the pseudonym Jeff Gannon as a White House reporter between 2003 and 2005 , representing the virtual organization Talon News.Gannon first gained national attention during a presidential press conference on January 26, 2005, in which he asked United States President George W. Bush a question that some in the press corps considered “so friendly it might have been planted.” Gannon then came under public scrutiny, in particular for his lack of a significant journalistic background prior to his work with Talon[2][3] and his alleged involvement with various homosexual escort service websites using the professional name Bulldog, he resigned from Talon News on February 8, 2005. }} {{According to a report in the Washington Post, FEMA had instructed its own public relations staff to pose as reporters when no legitimate members of the media arrived in time for a hastily arranged briefing about the California wildfires.}} {{CNN reports that John “Pat” Philbin, the Director of Public Affairs responsible for FEMA’s recent faked news conference, is effectively receiving a promotion. PRNewser was notified by an email which said that Philbin’s new job was an “ama

By reebok

October 29, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Let’s see…failed to capture Osama bin Laden - Check! Failed to find WMD in Iraq - Check! Lost control of Afghanistan - Check! Ran up biggest budget deficits in history - Check! 3,900 young Americans dead with no end in sight - check! Mission Accomplished! Guess it’s time to bomb Iran!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

To quote Chico Marx,

“There are a lot of irrelevants at the circus!”

By Historian

October 29, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

The peculiar thing about this poorly drawn cartoon is that Luckovich and the rest of you libs just want to ignore the handwriting on the wall. Churchill was also called a warmonger when he warned that we needed to get out the bud nippers. Think of all of the misery that could have been spared the world had his warnings been heeded. Iran’s president is saying and doing much the same thing as Hitler, but this time in the name of religion rather than ‘racial purity’, except of course in the case of the Jews. He and Hitler are exactly on the same page on that one. Lucko is calling Bush a warmonger because he states the truth. Reagan was also called a warmonger because he did the same. The Soviet Bloc no longer exists. He did not back down. Now is not the time for weakness and vascillation, a la Dummy Carter. If we show strenght and resolve then we are safer. If we do not, then we are doomed to have an even more brutal repeat of the past.

By mountain man

October 29, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Bush/Cheney, our as#es of evil, won’t stop until they have embroiled the whole world in armed conflict. This is what you get when you elect untreated addicts with messianic complexes to leadership….

My fervent prayer is that our beloved country won’t go down this insane road again during my lifetime.

By Terry Sciavo

October 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

IAEA says no active nuke program in Iran

if only our motives weren’t a world empire their opinion would matter to us…

By Blackadder

October 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

Watch ZEITGEIST and you’ll realize that “Historian” is mislabeling himself.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Hitler, Propaganda and Recycling Iraq as Iran

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

{{{State Department imposes an Iraq war draft.

“Facing staff shortages in Iraq, the State Department announced Friday that diplomats would have no choice but to accept one-year postings in the hostile environment or face losing their jobs.”}}}}

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

I didn’t get a chance Friday to respond to you whiny libs attacks on my son and I, but I do feel compelled to respond to our good friend anna’s post.

By anna

October 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

{{{The best part of the Republican party, however, is their strong “family values”….hmmmm….if you have such STRONG family values, please explain how your love for bathroom same sex rendevous fits in? Or your solicitation of young boys? I can’t wait until God judges you hypocritical biggots and I hope hell is a giant room full of Hillary Clintons who spit in your lying faces. RB, if you had a point-or anything near a point you infantile, probably self-hating homosexual a*, you wouldn’t feel the need to patronize people in your posts. I guarentee you’ve tapped your foot under a stall at Hartsfield Jackson.}}}

Once again, anna, when challenged with producing FACTS to support your ridiculous claims and being unable to support them, you change the subject and start the name calling attacks. It’s AMAZING how you libs keep labeling the R’s “haters” when it’s you who keeps throwing out all the venom. Next time you feel the urge to toss the “hate” label out there, you might want to look in the mirror first.

Back to the trash heap with you, anna, until you can support your garbage claims with something truthful.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Examples of Republican hypocrisy on moral values

By Frank

October 29, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Osama Bin Laden reads my blogs! His latest video has veiled threats about putting anthrax in american women’s douchebags if they dont convert. That no-talent hack! He stole my stooge-terror. He stole my bit!

Osama, I will hunt you down, suckah. I have a chance to go to Afghanistan soon, and have access to a dirt bike, and oh, I’ll find you. I can smell a hack 500 miles away. Expect me. Nobody hacks nothing when I’m around.

Moron.

By mountain man

October 29, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Historian (laugh), you would suggest that our current administration is showing “strength and resolve”. How come I’m feeling so unsafe? Could it be that I’m just a little uncomfortable with a madman holding a match and the fuse?

By Frank

October 29, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Is a female terrorist a veiled threat?

By Jesus

October 29, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Blackadder

October 29, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

What if the Military had disclaimers like Pharma Ads?

By Captain James T. Kirk

October 29, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Beam me up Scotty. There’s no intelligent life down here.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Mountain Man… Question for you. Do you believe if we leave Iraq and Afganistan, basically the whole middle east, the people who are trying to kill us over there will leave us alone? We’ll play in our sandbox and they’ll play in theirs. No more bomb attacks on our ships, buildings, cities, etc? Just curious what you think will happen if we get out of there?

By Historian

October 29, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Mountain Man - you are feeling so insecure because you are like the wimps before World War II that were willing to do anything BUT what was actually necessary to avoid war. If your enemy wants war - and the radical Islamists do want war, they have stated that in no uncertain terms - the that is what you will get unless you make that prospect so unpleasant for the enemy they will back down. It is the same as the bully on the playground. Please read Churchill’s World War II history, volume one. Also read William Manchester’s “Winston Churchill - Alone” about his years in the political wilderness. This political exile was largely caused by his persistant warnings about German rearmament. He was ignored until it was TOO LATE. This situation is the same. If you choose to just feel scared and think that we can just talk ourselves out of this situation and let the Iranians have whatever they like then we will be faced with a new and even bloodier holocaust than we did almost seventy years ago. Reagan learned that lesson and the Cold War came to an end peacefully. We must act with resolve, not with wimpering platitudes!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Mountain Man… Question for you. Do you believe if we leave Iraq and Afganistan, basically the whole middle east, the people who are trying to kill us over there will leave us alone? We’ll play in our sandbox and they’ll play in theirs. No more bomb attacks on our ships, buildings, cities, etc? Just curious what you think will happen if we get out of there?

By Mike

October 29, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Gee, I wish Mikey would ever get outraged enough over Ahmadinejad’s comments to draw a cartoon of him.

Unfortunatley, Ahmadinejad is not a Christian or a conservative, so Mikey will never criticize him for anything.

I winder what it was like back in the day when liberal pundits criticized other countries, in addition to their own. Today’s liberals hate America so much, we may never find out.

By Anonymous

October 29, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

The only problem with America waking up from the Bush nightmare is that the effects will still be with us long after he’s gone.

And if Media Matters is Bush’s #1 enemy, that’s a good indicator that they’re doing what’s best for America! Keep up the good work, MM!

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Fearing Fear Itself ………………………..In America’s darkest hour, Franklin Delano Roosevelt urged the nation not to succumb to “nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror.” But that was then.Today, many of the men who hope to be the next president — including all of the candidates with a significant chance of receiving the Republican nomination — have made unreasoning, unjustified terror the centerpiece of their campaigns………………………….. Mr. Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary and a founding neoconservative, tells us that Iran is the “main center of the Islamofascist ideology against which we have been fighting since 9/11.” The Islamofascists, he tells us, are well on their way toward creating a world “shaped by their will and tailored to their wishes.” Indeed, “Already, some observers are warning that by the end of the 21st century the whole of Europe will be transformed into a place to which they give the name Eurabia.” Do I have to point out that none of this makes a bit of sense?…………………..For one thing, there isn’t actually any such thing as Islamofascism — it’s not an ideology; it’s a figment of the neocon imagination. The term came into vogue only because it was a way for Iraq hawks to gloss over the awkward transition from pursuing Osama bin Laden, who attacked America, to Saddam Hussein, who didn’t. And Iran had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 — in fact, the Iranian regime was quite helpful to the United States when it went after Al Qaeda and its Taliban allies in Afghanistan………………………….Beyond that, the claim that Iran is on the path to global domination is beyond ludicrous. Yes, the Iranian regime is a nasty piece of work in many ways, and it would be a bad thing if that regime acquired nuclear weapons. But let’s have some perspective, please: we’re talking about a country with roughly the G.D.P. of Connecticut, and a government whose military budget is roughly the same as Sweden’s……………………Just to be clear, Al Qaeda is a real threat, and so is the Iranian nuclear program. But neither of these threats frightens me as much as fear itself — the unreasoning fear that has taken over one of America’s

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Identifying the real “haters of America”

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Neoconservatives hate liberty as much as they love war

By Anonymous

October 29, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Mike: Great idea—American cartoonists should definitely spend all their time lampooning nutjobs in other countries, who will never see or care about their work.

There’s no reason to make your cartoons relevant to your local audience—heck no!

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Speaking of irrelevant, the movie about Dhimmi Carter took in a whopping $10,000. at the box office this weekend. It was only shown on seven screens, but didn’t recover even the screening cost per theater much less the movie production cost.

By Frank

October 29, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

A nuclear exchange with an Islamic country and it’s Russian/Chinese allies is a virtual certainty now. It’s only a matter of time. Truman had his Gen. Mac, but he was only one man. Hillary will have millions of the unhinged fringe clamoring for war, the war truman wouldn’t make.

There were better reasons to nuke the chinese in ‘51 than there are reasons now to bomb Iran or invade Iraq.

This middle east war is a war that only a fool would wage and only a lunatic would want.

What’s wrong with peace and quiet? The internet is the equalizer like the colt 45 was the equalizer in the old west, and in the urban party set of the 70’s. Watch out for the bull…….(i meant the schlitz malt liquour bull)

War is easy. Anyone can have war. You simply put your put your ships together, and whoa!

By gc

October 29, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Historian, check out an article by Robert Novak concerning the Reagan administration’s arming of Saddam Hussein entitled “Following Iraq’s Bioweapons Trail”. Recheck the facts of the Iran Contra scandal concerning the Reagan administration’s sale of weapons to Iran, and its open support for drug dealers in Nicaragua. Check the facts for Reagan’s support of Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan.

By Midori

October 29, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Man oh man,

Anna sure struck a chord :)

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Here’s part of a review of the movie Blackadder @ 8:13 wants you to watch. I thought that idiot told us he was committing suicide months ago? Perhaps he should try harder insteasd of rotting his mind with garbage like Zietgeist-The Movie.

{{{{{{And what is that worldview, pray tell? Religions in general, and Christianity in particular, are primarily systems of social control. 9/11 was an inside job and the destruction of the WTC twin towers and building 7 were aided by controlled demolition. And finally, International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), control our money and our future, leading to, ta da, the coming One World Government and the microchipping of everyone.}}}}}

{{{{{Exactly how all this fits together is left to the viewer’s imagination or, presumably, the film-maker’s hash pipe. Are those who manipulate Christianity for control purposes in cahoots with the Bankers, and were the Bankers in on the 9/11 caper? Zeitgeist sidesteps such logical questions through the use of the all-purpose term, “the elite,” a shadowy group of rich and powerful men who want nothing more than to enslave humanity and reap block-buster profits through the promotion of wars and financial crises.}}}}}}

Yawn….

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 29, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be cheaper for us just to buy all of the real estate in the Middle East and then raise the property taxes and rents so high the locals are forced to sell out.

This seems to be working inside the perimeter in ATL, why not there?

By Frank

October 29, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

RW, your hate speak has turned into hack speech. Try reading the Unibomber’s manifesto again, and then blog. You need a refresher course. bwa.

By REPOSTER

October 29, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

This post can’t be copied enough. Special thanks go to RB for a great idea. Lets re-post this a few times a day.

{The best part of the Republican party, however, is their strong “family values”….hmmmm….if you have such STRONG family values, please explain how your love for bathroom same sex rendevous fits in? Or your solicitation of young boys? I can’t wait until God judges you hypocritical biggots and I hope hell is a giant room full of Hillary Clintons who spit in your lying faces. RB, if you had a point-or anything near a point you infantile, probably self-hating homosexual a*, you wouldn’t feel the need to patronize people in your posts. I guarentee you’ve tapped your foot under a stall at Hartsfield Jackson.}

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Polly,

The Uniblogger (AmVet) hasn’t been by today, but I’ll be sure to give his boring prose a shot when he shows up. Thanks for your concern!

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{By IN THE NEWS October 26, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this——by the way, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (all of you) Such fun in weeks to come!}}}}}

Tell us more ITFS

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 312

By Blackadder

October 29, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

There you have it folks. What better endorsement to watch ZEITGEIST than Ricky Wingnut’s right wing “review” and dismissal of it.

Watch it. You won’t regret it.

By Historian

October 29, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

gc - you are confusing apples with organges here, and no one is denying those mistakes. However, we did not show weakness to the Soviet Union under Reagan, only resolve. When we showed weakness over Vietnam and Carter showed weakness at all times, it only emboldened our enemies. When Reagan showed weakness in the Middle East (on numerous occasions) it only emboldened THOSE enemies. In that case, he did not think that they posed the long-term threat that they obviously did and do. I don’t want to repeat those mistakes endlessly. Obviously, some do. I don’t want to be sitting here 20 years from now after a hard fought victory with everyone saying - “If only we had stood up to the enemy, they would have backed down.” We now know (and many knew then)that Hitler would have backed down if just the French had stood up to him or the British at any number of times. They kept appeasing him and he was just emboldened. He did not think that they would even come to the aid of the Poles, but, finally, he had pushed them to far. Nevertheless, it was too late to avoid war. We are faced with much the same situation on even a larger scale. Be afraid, be very afraid if we just repeat those mistakes and further embolden the enemy.

What do you think the solution is - just talk and make nice with madmen and fanatics? Is your real name Neville?

By Frank

October 29, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

RW, you’re the most clever of all of us. Uniblogger? That’s genius. You should have copyrighted it my fine friend, now the hacks have it in general circulation. You know, you could take over the world like that, I mean, make it pay off for journalists, comedians and writers from around the world to read your blog so that they get material and then you can control the entire globe’s media from your little keyboard……nah, you like hacking too much.

seems a shame.

By Truthman

October 29, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Good morning all you Faux Christians all revved up to bomb Iran a little closer to the Stone Age!!!!

WAR! WAR! WAR! WAR! WAR!

Man, I’ll bet Jesus is PROUD OF YOU!!

Schmucks!!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

By REPOSTER October 29, 2007 10:09 AM

There are a couple of points you Godless libs are missing in all your rantings against Christians and R’s.

First, true Christians all know they are sinners. They fail like all others as they are human. The difference is, they are FORGIVEN for their transgressions. God will never “judge” them as you claim because when their sins are forgiven through Jesus’ death and their acceptance of his grace, it’s as if they never sinned at all. The “Hillary spitting in the face” thing will never happen.

Second, we would gladly debate you in the area of moral failures among parties, however, you would have to have some morals to start with for that to be a relevant debate. The party who completely ignores the behaviors of the likes of William Jefferson, Ted Kennedy, Ray Naegin, Marion Barry, etc. and continues to elect these criminals lives in a glass house. The difference here is the R party gets rid of it’s garbage for the most part. The D’s just keep bringing them back.

Lastly, before you start throwing out all the anti Christian stuff and start conversing about judgement and things of the Bible, you should try reading it first. It’s always obvious to those of us who have read it when we’re debating with people who have never read it and can only reapeat sound bites out of context. If you don’t read anything else, I highly reccomend you read the book of John. It’s an easy read and you can find it online. It follows Jesus’ life from birth to death and you’ll have an informed understanding of what you speak next time. Give it a shot.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

That review is from a leftist that thinks some of those questions need to be asked, but that your Zeitgeist movie makes a mockery of them in it’s poor attempt at propaganda. Even the source page that supposedly gives you backup for the claims made in the movie simply cites programs, articles or books without dates, page numbers, context or anything else useful.

His website even has a link to Cats That Look Like Hitler

Do you ever get anything right?

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Fake FEMA news conference director gets promotion

By Anonymous

October 29, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Gee, the Right really wants this Iraq (or maybe Iran) mess to be World War II, doesn’t it? Our last “clean” war, when right and wrong were clear-cut, the evil was obvious, the threat was apparent, and everybody was on the same side.

Sorry, guys—this junk with Saddam and terrorists and insurgents just doesn’t qualify. Bluster about “appeasement” and “Neville Chamberlain thinking” doesn’t work when the enemy’s an incompetent buffoon or a shadowy force of civilian fanatics.

Your war—and make no mistake, it IS yours, 100%—is no World War II. And your Bush-boy is certainly no Franklin Roosevelt.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

John “Pat” Philbin was not the director of the fake FEMA news conference, he was an employee that was made to ask questions as if he was a reporter. Even ITFS’s link tells you that if you follow through enough of their dodges.

By gc

October 29, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Historian, Supporting a brutal dictator like Saddam Hussein is simply a “mistake” to be brushed off and forgotten? Do you realize how many people are dead because of this “mistake”? Supplying Saddam with biological weapons in the 1980’s and then having to invade 20 years later to try and take them away has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars spent. Conservatives seem unable to think of options other than invasion and occupation of other nations or total appeasement. Terrorism should be fought by undermining and disrupting plots, detaining individuals involved, and taking away their weapons and finances. To do this America needs international friends who are willing to cooperate in accomplishing these goals. First strike invasions tend to make more enemies than friends in the fight against terrorism. Even General Petraeus when asked if the Iraq invasion has made us safer answered “I don’t know”. I fear we are making the same “mistakes” as were made in the Reagan era by arming the S** miltias and cultivating armament deals with dictatorships such as Pakistan. As to learning from history, tell us again how that British invasion and occupation of Iraq worked out after World War I.

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many “friends” of the Clinton’s!

1-James McDougal - Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a St arbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide..

4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. R eported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.

5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992

6-Paul T ulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

To be continued.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

By Anonymous 11:02 AM

{{{Your war—and make no mistake, it IS yours, 100%}}}

So what do you make of these comments by the democrats who supported our efforts over there before it became politically popular to bash Bush and what we’re doing there.

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

You can continue to attempt to revise history if you would like, but the truth stands on it’s own.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Great Catch RW!

Thanks

His title is: Director of External Affairs John “Pat” Philbin

He’s a FEMA director who pretended to be a reporter, at a fake news conference - then he got promoted.

By The Watcher

October 29, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Have you ever seen such pitiful desperation as at 11:17!

Better watch out, say it ain’t so….

Hillary could be after you next!

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Your welcome ITFS,

You keep dishing out the lies and as time permits I’ll set you straight.

By The Watcher

October 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

OK, 11:18 just about matches it.

A perfect example of why at least for the next couple of election cycles, we got to keep the GOP in the basement.

By Dusty

October 29, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

STILL RELEVANT?? No way.

Luckovich’s cartoon would be relevant if it were Ahmajinebad with his barrel of nuclear facilites.

He’s the one getting ready to bomb “infidels” like American and Israeli citizens.

So whom is Luckovich making the villian? Why President Bush, of course. Vilify our president and support terrorists. Good ol’ liberal Luckovich!!!

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

{{{Sen. Graham may oppose Mukasey’s nomination. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) may oppose President Bush’s Attorney General nominee if Michael Mukasey says “waterboarding is not torture.” “If he does not believe that waterboarding is illegal, then that would really put doubts in my own mind,” Graham stated. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who also believes waterboarding is torture, suggested yesterday he may still support Mukasey.}}}

By Prophetess Kelley P

October 29, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Thats not all!!!!

The libs want to make Christmas illegal!!!!

WE WON”T LET YOU DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!

By getalife

October 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Yes, add fema’s fake news conference to make it two issues (the other illegal immigration] that our fiends on the right care about.

Blowing up babies for nothing in Iraq,restoring the Constititution, etc… ,they remain loyal bushies.

Anyhoo, great toon Mike.

The gop will run Rudy who is advised by neocons and wants WWIII.

So, the choice will be if Americans want WWIII, a draft and permanant war or return to the good ole days of the Clintons with peace and properity.

The Clintons are positioned very well to win the general.

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which cont ained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Fe rguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.

13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton’s fr iend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14-Florence Martin - Accountant & subcontractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16-Paula Grober - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigati ng Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit h

By Luckoduh

October 29, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

{{{{“It only served to highlight just how little we’ve actually achieved compared to what we promised,” says the House aide. “Out of those thousand votes, about ten percent were bills that became law and half of those were namings of federal buildings and such. Fifty bills in a year doesn’t compare to what we promised, and she wanted to put a spotlight on it. She just doesn’t get it sometime.”}}}}

1000 votes for nothing.

And now they’re taking Friday off.

Geez.

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{{{{Last Thursday, one week after she was nearly killed, Bhutto assailed the madrasahs, the Islamic schools in Pakistan that are breeding grounds for terrorism. “These political madrasahs preach hatred and churn out brainwashed robots that become arsenals of weapons of violating the constitution of Pakistan,” she said. Musharraf has never dared to say anything like that. But the U.S. government, as matchmaker between Bhutto and Musharraf, is cautious about publicly taking sides in Pakistan’s crisis.}}}}

The woman, speaking out against the terrorists and the haters in her own country, has more courage than, uh, we do.

We don’t have the balls to draw a cartoon against them, do we mikey?

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{{{{PAYGO treats the economically vital tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 as revenue-losing, temporary provisions that must be “paid for” with spending reductions or tax hikes elsewhere. Given Congress’ pathological aversion to controlling expenditures, pulling the tax lever becomes a near-certainty.}}}}

You PAY as they GO.

Freaking campaign promises from the libs are trying to OUTSPEND each other, seriously add it up and then tell me when you ever heard a pinko say “cut,” while the Conservatives all vow to stop the madness.

I know which way I’m voting.

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington, DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20-Barbara Wise - Comme rce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr.. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.

24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his re pair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes”.

34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds 3 8-Sgt. Brian Hanley 39-Sgt. Tim Sabel 40-Major General William Robertson 41-Col. William Densberger 42-Col. Robert Kelly 43-Spec. Gary Rhodes 44-Steve Willis 45-Robert Williams 46-Conway LeBleu 47-Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list!

IS this the family that you want leading this country again?

While some of these might just be a coincidence, there sure are enough to make a rational person wonder.

By Luckoduh

October 29, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

{{{{By RW-(the original) October 29, 2007 11:31 AM Once again, Hillary Rodham Clinton leads in a poll. This time, she was top choice when people were asked which major 2008 presidential candidate would make the scariest Halloween costume.}}}}

The question is, what would you give some kid that showed up at your door with a Hillary mask on, as-suming that you didn’t pass out in horror?

A bull dy-ke bar?

A Bill Clinton “last seen” locating map?

The finger? (no, no, I’m just kidding.)

By Historian

October 29, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

gc - you are missing my point entirely. I said that Reagan made a lot of mistakes in the Middle East during the 1980s and we are still paying for them. Pulling out of Beirut after the bombing of the Marine barracks was just the beginning. Supporting So-dam Insane was another. It was the same mistake that many made in supporting Mussolini because they thought (hahahahahahaha) that the Italian dictator could be used to ‘contain’ Hitler. Hussein was supported because the Reagan administration thought he might contain Iran. The fact is, you cannot make a deal with the devil, because, like Jabez Stone, you will end up on trial for your immortal soul. We made that mistake. I am arguing that we don’t try to appease these idiots again. You want to go back and fix blame. Well that is fine. I will concede those points. However, I am MORE concerned about the future. If we show no resolve and only Carter-like weakness, we will be in a (literally) world of hurt!

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

I’d give the Hillary masked kid a sucker so she could take it home and pretend it was one of her voters before eating it.

By Luckoduh

October 29, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Double speak:

{{{{“Democratic voters are not at all convinced that there’s a problem, because they believe in many ways that this is something that was kind of contrived by the administration in an effort to privatize the system,” says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. “They see people using crisis rhetoric as a big exaggeration.”}}}}

{{{{And so, she says, Democratic candidates tend not to stick their necks out by making proposals.}}}}

{{{{Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) of New York has not issued a plan, because ((((“we don’t have a crisis in Social Security,”)))) she told the Boston Globe recently. ((((“We have a long-term solvency challenge)))) we can meet if we’re smart about it.”}}}}

When a lib says something that makes absolutely no sense, that means they want to raise taxes but don’t have the guts to say it.

To give you an idea of how bad it could be, I’ve never heard a lib say something that made any sense.

By Anonymous

October 29, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So:

It ain’t so. You’re right, a ‘rational’ person WOULD find that list suspicious—mainly because it’s bogus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

When it comes to the Republican Right, best to keep their motto in mind: “Where there’s smoke, there’s mirrors.”

By Anonymous

October 29, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Andy, just because you’re too dim to UNDERSTAND what liberals say is no reason to say they make no sense.

Evolution’s a slow process: from Neanderthal to Republican and, eventually, to liberal. Maybe your kids will get there someday.

By getalife

October 29, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

In the brilliant political move by the Clintons, the yes vote on Kyl-Lieberman has clinched the national security issue of Iran. Obama and Edwards are against it to make them look weak on national security.

With Rudy’s stay the course and escalate permanent war to WWIII with his neocon ad visors, the choice in the general is clear. WWIII or peace, diplomocy and prosperity with the Clintons.

We gave war a chance and the gop are positioned to lose in a landslide. This will give the Clintons a larger dem majority and unlimited power thanks to dick.

By Bosch

October 29, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Gee,

Say It Ain’t So is plagarizing themselves, and trying to implicate the Clintons was tied to or responsible for dozens of murders.

Wow, like we haven’t heard that one before.

How old is that list? 1994? Has any of it been proven? Nope, and the powers that be have had an awfully long time to try.

Aren’t the neo-cons always saying, even demanding something to the effect of “prove it” to us?

Clear case here of hypocrisy in action.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

{{{{{VALERIE PLAME WILSON: They were taking, it was a piece on Joe, and as I write about it in the book, uh, they came in, uh, asked me to do it, and, uh, I — just too much was going on at that time. Um, you have to remember this was months after the damage had been done}}}}}

No wonder we were getting such bad information from the CIA. She can’t even keep her lie together for two consecutive sentences.

Which was it Val? In the heat of the moment as all these things were happening like it says in your first sentence or months later like the second sentence states?

By B.P.O.E.

October 29, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Gosh. Things are really looking up for Republicans!!!! Happy days are here again.

First the riveting news about the Carter film from RW. Then we find out about the Hillary mask. Scary

To top it off we now know the Clintons mass murdered 1,819 people and Jesus loves immoral Republicans the best. Even scarier!

I’m sure glad Islamo-Fascist Week is over. SCARIEST ever.

(Boycott Halloween, its from the devil.)

High Fives!!!! 08 is going to be great! These are the issues that will sweep us to VICTORY!

By The Apocalypse

October 29, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Red sox rule! Now, all we need is for the Patriots to win the Super Bowl.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Ah, Michelle Malkin.

Didn’t she used to work with Bill OReilly?

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

The Wiretap This Time

By getalife

October 29, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Get use to it, the wingnuts will post old smears against the Clintons even though they are bogus.

They will continue to ignore war crimes and other crimes committed by their party. We have one gop candidate, Ron Paul and one dem candidate, Senator Dodd, who are running on restoring the Constitution.

They will ignore that too.

By The Apocalypse

October 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

Your idiocy leaves me speechless. Michelle Malkin is a hottie.

By Mike

October 29, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

“Mike: Great idea—American cartoonists should definitely spend all their time lampooning nutjobs in other countries, who will never see or care about their work.”

Actually I said ” I wonder what it was like back in the day when liberal pundits criticized other countries, in addition to their own,” so drop the straw man.

The rest of your argument is silly. Constantly attacking American policy while ingoring the actions of other countries creates the mistaken impression that America is solely responsible for the world’s problems.

Take a look at the ignorant self-loathing on this board and you will see what I am talkign about.

It is funny to see how quickly “tolerant” liberals who seek “dialougue” are so willing to accept a one-sided and partisan debate.

By getalife

October 29, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

And of course, RW continues to support their treason on outing a CIA agent.

Wait for the damage report to come out RW, and you will see what happened to other CIA agents after she was outed.

I will remind you of your treason support when it comes out.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

In that Snopes link it says four of the “bodygaurds” were ATF agents that died in the Waco debacle, so that’s at least four deaths on that list you can chalk up to Billy Jeff.

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Bill Jeff 4

George W Bush 1,003,830

Win with Bush!

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Score Card,

Source please?

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Anonymous- (12:24) Getalife (12:43) Yes Snopes claims there is not a “conspiracy to murder”, however they do not dispute ANY of the details surrounding all these deaths.

Now, please show me where I said the Clintons murdered, hired someone to murder, or in any way said that the Clintons were responsible for all these deaths.

I just reminded everyone that friends, employees, coworkers and associates of the Clintons seem to come to an untimely and unusual end.

But the libs supporting, electing and reelecting criminals is nothing new. Just look at the democrats that are currently in office.

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

on the 4? You.

on the 1,003,830 Lancet and IAVA

By getalife

October 29, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Wow, now RW is supporting David Koresh and his child molesting.

How much lower can he dwell?

Anyhoo,”Here’s my promise to the American Public: If anyone of the major networks —- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX —- promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I promise to tell them everything that I know.”

I sent it to KO and CNN but KO has the spine to interview her.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{Lancet and IAVA}}}}

BS in other words. That’s what I thought.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

OF COURSE BUSH FRIENDS DON’T END UP DEAD…..

‘COURSE THAT’S JUST 2007 TO DATE

By B.P.O.E.

October 29, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

The liberal media is over blowing this whole “fake news conference” thingy.

Bush has had this as his policy since day one and the media all the sudden makes a fuss??????

How about Bush’s fake “Mission Accomplished” news conference? Heck that was even performed on an aircraft carrier.

There was also “Its for Democracy,” and “To kill them there,” news conferences.

Oh and don’t forget the fake “You’re doing a heck of a job Brownie” news conference.

Yet another Bush smear campaign from the liberal media.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Your link describes her as “the most gagged person” in America. Did Monica change her name to Sibel?

By getalife

October 29, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

John Philbin fired. They should fire all involved.

Pathetic.

By Bosch

October 29, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So,

“Now, please show me where I said the Clintons murdered, hired someone to murder, or in any way said that the Clintons were responsible for all these deaths.”

Then why plagarize the list?

“I just reminded everyone that friends, employees, coworkers and associates of the Clintons seem to come to an untimely and unusual end.”

Uh, thanks for reminding us of these tragic deaths, the point of all this being, what, exactly?

“But the libs supporting, electing and reelecting criminals is nothing new. Just look at the democrats that are currently in office.”

Yes, let’s take a look at the democrats (and for that matter republicans) in office today, any convicted felons? I thought convicted felons weren’t allowed to run for elected office.

OH please, must we post all the corruption scandals of the republicans?

By gc

October 29, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Historian, thank you for acknowledging historical fact. This puts you among the rational, but sadly you have little company among conservatives. I,too, am more concerned with future policy than assigning blame. However, the only 2008 republican candidate for president that seems to have any clue as to how foreign policy should be handled is Ron Paul. He has a grip on history and the consequences of past foreign policy mistakes. He will not be chosen by republicans because he will be viewed as not macho enough. Giuliani has many neoconservatives as advisors who will council the same policies that have failed so miserably in the Bush administration. For this reason, discussion of past mistakes is important.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

{{{[White House faces increased pressure in e-mail lawsuit. The National Security Archive filed a motion seeking “expedited discovery against the Executive Office of the President to find out what e-mails are missing from the White House e-mail system or backup tapes.” The motion is meant to ensure that the White House cannot “render judicial preservation decisions meaningless.” The nonpartisan watchdog group CREW also has a pending lawsuit against the White House and other executive agencies over the missing e-mails.}}}

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

{{By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{Lancet and IAVA}}}}

BS in other words. That’s what I thought.}}

SOURCE PLEASE

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

gc,

Ron Paul hanging out with Alex Jones and becoming an icon of the “Truther” movement won’t help him with that nomination either.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

{{{{{From Lancet-We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194 000) during the post-war period.}}}}}

Readers who are accustomed to perusing statistical documents know what the set of numbers in the parentheses means. For the other 99.9 percent of you, I’ll spell it out in plain English—which, disturbingly, the study never does. It means that the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language—98,000—is roughly at the halfway point in this absurdly vast range.)

{{{{Imagine reading a poll reporting that George W. Bush will win somewhere between 4 percent and 96 percent of the votes in this Tuesday’s election. You would say that this is a useless poll and that something must have gone terribly wrong with the sampling. The same is true of the Lancet article: It’s a useless study; something went terribly wrong with the sampling.}}}}

By B.P.O.E.

October 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Just thought I’d let y’all know how things went at the Elks Lodge last weekend.

As you may know the lodge hosted a Islamo-Fascist Week Festival. Saturday and Sunday we were trying to get people to sign up to go to Iraq so that we could fight them there so we don’t have to fight them there and all.

Anyway we are all a bit disappointed. We had about 50 booths all set up to sign people up for the Army and all. We had at least 500 volunteers waiting to help the others sign up.

Heck, only 1 person signed up that whole week despite our best efforts. Ya know whats truly sad? That kid we signed up won’t make it to boot camp before he breaks the don’t ask don’t tell policy. Whats happening to America these days?

Oh well. At least we still have the 500 volunteers who can help out and blog this week.

Hope y’all had a great Islamo-Fascist Weekend.

By Say It Ain't So

October 29, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

ITN (1:27) I did not see any ‘dead’ people listed on your link. Just the people (most of them anyway) who have left office after being caught doing something inappropriate or illegal.

What a novel approach, resign when you get caught with your ‘hand in the cookie jar’ instead of being reelected.

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

RW

And your comment on the Johns Hopkins follow up?

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Seems the US government doesn’t bother to keep track of Iraqi civilian casualties.

How civilized is that?

Here’s some body counts.

Then you too can make up your mind as to who is responsible for more death and destruction.

By B.P.O.E.

October 29, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Dammit. I just found out our 1 Army recruit we got from Islamo-Fascist Week was shipped back to Mexico today. Deported.

This is why the Lodge decided to get rid of Taco Night Wednesday’s.

(BTW, the Lodge had a Dishwasher Position open up today if anyone knows anyone that is interested.)

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

The Rhetoric on Iran

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

I’m still waiting to hear what you dems think our enemies will do if we pack up and leave the middle east. If we leave them alone, will they leave us alone?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

I’m still waiting to hear what you dems think our enemies will do if we pack up and leave the middle east. If we leave them alone, will they leave us alone?

By Score Card

October 29, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Well, RW, BD, Andy, RG, Dusty, Betty, Apocolypse, Doom, Say it aint so,

Steven E. Moore is a political consultant and partner in the Sacramento-based firm Gorton Moore International. He advised L. Paul Bremer of the Coalition Provisional Authority.

Moore vs. Johns Hopkins

Let the public decide who most likely tells the truth.

By Historian

October 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

gc - You still miss the point. Ron Paul is an idiot. He (along with Pat, the anti-semite, Buchanan) is a throw back to the idiots before World War II who formed ‘America First’ Committees. Ron Paul, just like Barak Obama and John Edwards, is a dangerous fool. He is even worse because he is an isolationist. Please do not try to promote that fool. We must stand fast and be resolute, or we will be in WWIII, which is the president’s point.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

GOP candidates agree to CNN/YouTube debate. CNN today announced that the eight major GOP presidential candidates have agreed to participate in its YouTube debate on Nov. 28. Earlier, Mitt Romney mocked the democratic nature of the forum, stating, “I think the presidency ought to be held at a higher level than having to answer questions from a snowman,” referring to a citizen dressed as a snowman who submitted a question about global warming in the July Democratic debate.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Anonymous, ITFS SC, various and sundry sockpuppets,

47 cluster points. Deal with it.

Later!

By getalife

October 29, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

B.P.O.E.,

wingnut wooten’s blog is pimping the draft so maybe that will help.

RB,

Well, w gave obl amnesty to train more in Pakistan and Yemen gave amnesty to the mastermind of the Cole bombing, so I guess there is still Afghanistan, Russia, Iran, China and many others to keep you warmongers happy blowing up babies.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

October 29, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

A New Record for Mitt-Flopping?

By ed lorenzo

October 29, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

President Colbert, Welcome! It was warm this morning when Stephen Colbert was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States of America. The steps of the Memorial were full of guests, as expected, and from a distance they appeared like a swarming mass as the 500 waiters specially hired for the event, were busy serving hot chocolate, donuts, hot dogs and an occasional Gin and Vodka to everyone in sight including guards, tourists and uniformed soldiers. It had been an incredible voyage for the newly elected president and also for a country eager to put an end to a sorry episode in its history. Few times in the history of our country people had rejoiced in such intense manner, not upon electing a new president but having the departing one leave the capital the night before. The collective sigh from 300 million Americans and about 5 billion humans abroad, heard some days before when the election results were announced , NASA claimed, was felt in the entire solar system and caused airplanes in flight to correct their flight characteristics as the turbulence caused by the sigh resembled a monumental burp. President Colbert cut the ceremony short. There was no elaborate speech by the new occupant of the White House. A single phrase defined the arrival of a new era in politics in our country. “Those who voted for me can have another hot dog, same as those who didn’t!” In that short phrase President Colbert had distilled an entirely new set of principles and a philosophical outlook; new and revolutionary social and political outlooks were born at that very moment. Stephen Colbert had never ceased to amaze me and many others. Days before the inauguration I asked him about his political platform, his vision of the country and the major political and social questions that demanded immediate attention. You see, during his campaign he had not devoted any time to talk about what he planned to do; instead, he concentrated strangely on the Constitution which he blamed for every thing wrong in the country.
Not once did he question or accuse any of the other candidates, nor asked them directly about anything. Not once did he address the issues that kept the entire country wondering about the current and the next crisis. Best of all he had no venom toward anyone; it was just supreme indifference to the other aspiring pols, justified by his famous sentence “this is not a confessional festival and I do not care about the sins of others; I am happy with min

By w00t

October 29, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

RB, yeah, they will leave us alone. They’ll leave us alone if we stop meddling in their affairs, stop trying to tell them what to buy, or how to live. They’ll stop if we stop supporting brutal regimes that hold their people back. They’ll leave us alone if we stop trying to steal their oil from them.

Maybe you ought to catch up on 60 years of western meddling in the Middle East. Maybe then you would understand the concept of “blowback”. The US as no right to think that what it does to others will have no ramifications based on its actions.

By Republican Family Values

October 29, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

FEMA held a press conference on Oct. 23 to respond to fake questions about the real wildfires in California. Here’s how it happened: Real reporters were only notified 15 minutes in advance, so all they could reasonably do was call in to a conference line. But the line was set to “listen-only” mode, so asking questions was out of the question. Only the people there — a group consisting almost entirely of FEMA public affairs employees — could grill FEMA representatives.

None of this was disclosed by Vice Adm. Harvey E. Johnson, the deputy administrator of FEMA, who dutifully responded to the softballs from his underlings (i.e. “Are you happy with FEMA’s response so far?”) as if they were real.

Republicans know what is best for us so why bother having any of those pesky ‘news’ people at ‘news’ conferences.

Maybe in 2008, they can just reappoint King George to the lifetime post of Chimperor in Chief and save us all the bother and expensive of having any of those pesky elections where those pesky voters voice their pesky opinions.

A Republican will LIE when the truth will do better. They are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS and really can’t help themselves. It is what they are, and what they do!

Might as well expect a fish to give up water as expect a Republican to stop LYING!!!

By anna

October 29, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

RB,

You know I never come on these blogs because all it serves to do is infuriate me and depress me that I live in a state with such horribly misinformed, close minded, hurtful people. I guess we all have a different definition of Christianity, but I know in mine Jesus would never approve of the things this president has done. He probably wouldn’t approve of the things our democratic presidents have done either. I just don’t see how you can claim to be a Christian-a religion of compassion and love-and yet believe wholeheartedly in the death penalty but disagree wholeheartedly with the right to abortion. Why does one group get the right to murder while another doesn’t?

And it is funny, come to think of it, that you got soooooo angry when I intimated you were a homosexual. Why did you get so embarrassed and worked up RB? Is there something you would like to talk about? I’m here for you. I promise. Perhaps in more way than one ;)

And as for “hell”, fine fine I will remove Hillary and replace her with a naked Al Franken. You welcome sweetie!

By mm

October 29, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Someone needs to check Bush’s head for the 666 mark.

It certainly appears he’s trying to bring about the end of the world.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

anna, don’t flatter yourself sweetie. I don’t get angry when you question my sexuality, I get upset by your continued shallow attacks and name calling and your inability to support your claims and positions with factual information. As usual, you’ll start the name calling and change the subject when you can’t support your positions.

To the death penalty/abortion debate, the answer should be quite obvious to you. The difference is in guilt. In the case of the death penalty, the person being put to death has committed a crime so heinous this society has place on those actions the penalty of death. The person commiting those actions knows they are wrong, knows there is a penalty for doing it, and does it anyway. The punishment fits the crime.

Instead of asking yourself about the difference between abortion and the death penalty, which is an obvious difference if you are intellectually honest, you should be asking yourself “how can I complain about innocent Iraqi children being killed in this war, but say it’s OK to kill American children day after day after day?” All of these deaths are tragic, however 1 set is an unfortunate byproduct of war and the other is a byproduct of pure sefishness.

If you think the Bible only contains compassion and love, you should read it. There’s a lot more in it than that. Jesus was not a flower child who ran around spreading love and good cheer. His message was not accepted well in many places he went because he spoke the truth to people about their sins and their own selfishness (he judged them). He was hated by many and ultimately killed for it. I won’t suggest you read the whole Bible, anna, but just read the bood of John. Short read, whole story. Try it.

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

OK, RW, let’s suppose the JH study is wildly off-base, and the actual number of deaths is 3 times less than their claim. This is being extremely generous, since I can’t imagine the discrepancy being over a factor of 2. But let’s go with 3. That means there have been over 320,000 deaths due to our invasion. Now, if Saddam killed that many in the span of 4.5 years, you’d be screaming that he is a monstrous despot (and you’d be right). But since it’s deaths caused by America… it’s called “the price of freedom”. Hypocrites!

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Obviously I meant 220,000; not 320,000 in my previous post. Yikes…

By getalife

October 29, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Yes, I was flipping through the channels and stopped on one of the many wingnut preachers spewing about the end of times.

From the old testament, he spewed the Russians would form with the Islamic nations and millions would attack Israel. Then he spewed God would strike them down with earthquakes and hail storms then the Christian would annialate them to save Israel.

This fata-ss preacher is as dangerous as the Islamic clerics spewing their pro death hate. Make no mistake, these pro death lunatics are committing the ultimate sin of killing in the name of God.

These extremists need to be marginilized like they are and moderates to express how insane they are and how they will burn in hell.

By Jesus Christ

October 29, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

You are in deep do-do bud.

What you are doing in using my dad’s name in vain, by trying to use the bible to back up your insane, violent political quackery.

When have I ever been about anything other than spreading love?

Screw the old testament.

Screw St. Paul.

Listen to my words.

And my words alone.

Follow me and find peace.

By Bosch

October 29, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Why in the world would anybody suggest reading just one book of the Bible in order to understand the “whole story” of Christian theology?

How absurd.

The Gospel of John is important to RB, because he’s an evangelical. The Gospel of John is one of the few gospel that portrays Jesus as a divine being instead of just an ordinary person.

Please anna, read the Bible in it’s entirety (?sp). I know reading big books might be a little daunting for RB, but the Bible in its entiriety is a pretty good read.

I also find this extremely hypocritical:

“I get upset by your continued shallow attacks and name calling” but then thinks nothing of writing that anna should be thrown in a trash heap.

How absolutely absurd, and completely misguided.

By getalife

October 29, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Jesus spread peace and love RB.

You have chosen the wrong path of pro death with the lunatic preachers and Islamic clerics. This is not the teaching of Jesus.

Repent to save your soul.

By Dusty

October 29, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

rushncap @4:19

I was under the impression that your family left Russia considering it the “price to pay for freedom”. Probably you will say that is incorrect. OK.

What price would you pay for freedom? Two cents? You don’t seem to enjoy the freedom you have so I was wondering if you thought it was worthless?

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Tell you what, Dusters — I’d be willing to pay you for freedom. Deal? That is a price I’m definitely willing to pay. In fact, if someone wants to negotiate, I’ll throw in Muffin, RW, @@, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rummy, Gonzo and the Heritage Foundation. That is a price I’m willing to pay, for starters. How about you?

Oh, that’s right — you’re willing to pay with the blood of children of others. Harpy…

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I would love for anna to read the whole thing, but I doubt she’ll do that. She keeps making these comments about what Jesus would and wouldn’t do and it’s obvious she has never read any of the Bible. The book of John is a pretty good summary of his life and ministry and would at least give her a base to speak from concerning what he would and would not do. If she’ll read that book alone, maybe we can have some dialog about what Jesus would do and wouldn’t. Whether she believes anything she reads is not relevant, just that she knows who he is an how he behaved in his ministry. Maybe for bonus knowledge, she can read Matthew, Mark, and Luke too, which are the same story of Jesus’ life from 3 additional people. Then maybe we can have debate that isn’t “misinformed” as she claims the rest of us are.

Jesus Christ - read your own book!

By Bobby

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Did anna just confirm that abortion is murder. Take it up with the libs anna.

[[I just don’t see how you can claim to be a Christian-a religion of compassion and love-and yet believe wholeheartedly in the death penalty but disagree wholeheartedly with the right to abortion. Why does one group get the right to murder while another doesn’t?]]

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

I know not what WWIII will be fought with, but I know that WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. -Einstein

By Jesus Christ

October 29, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

You just proved how ignorant you are!

I didn’t write the book!

But I was quoted pretty often.

You might try one of those Red Line editions.

You might not be so confused.

By getalife

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

“WASHINGTON - The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month’s deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned.”

The pro death RB’s cheer on this socialized murder without punishment.

Yes, your tax dollars bought these murders on innocent people. And w will let them walk.

Shame.

By Betty D

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Beware any on who makes decisions based on what he thinks history will think of him or in an effort to prove they are still relevant. I predict that George W. Bush, “The Decider,” will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. His administration has botched the war and politicized every facet of our government. These two things alone will prove to have long-lasting devestating effect on our ability to govern.

By Dusty

October 29, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

rushncap @4:53

Just what I expected. You are not capable of giving a decent answer. If you wanted freedom from us “harpies” you wouldn’t be here every day flaunting your extremism.

Forgive me for even trying a bit of debate with you. You are simply too twisted with simple arrogance to even try.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Did rushncap just decide he could only be free if he killed Dusty, Buy Danish, @@, President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, me and the Heritage Foundation? Does that last one mean kill all the members, the contributers, or just blow up the building? Either way on that last question, I bet we’d win that battle. Bring it on, rushncap.

Freaking weirdo!

By the way, the margin for error with 47 cluster points to determine deaths in the country of Iraq is 1200%. Some scientist you are.

By AmVet

October 29, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Just got it and scanned through today’s “offerings”.

Betty D, your assertion at 5:27 is not only the most relevant post I can see submitted here today, it is spot on.

This nation deserves better. MUCH better.

By Blog Monitor

October 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

AmVet also posts using the name Betty D

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Dusters — the fact that you don’t like my answers does little to combat the fact that I provided them. It’s not my fault you go into your default “whine” mode when I offered the fact that you are someone I’m willing to “pay for freedom” as the case may be.

RW - I don’t blame you for not understanding numbers. I do find it curious that you think we possibly killed as many as negative 7.2 million people in Iraq. You really should try pulling this crap on someone who doesn’t know any math. I’m not great at it, but I’m certainly nowhere near retarded enough to buy your “1200%” thing. You should ask Dusty.

As for “bringing it on” — spare me, gramps. What, are you challenging me to a fistfight, or something? Would your insurance even cover that, or would you need SCHIP?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 29, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

-=-

Seriously —

Does anyone even halfway believe we can afford the upkeep cost - to open up yet another warfront - by attacking Iran?

600-billion x2 ==> shheesh!`

Yes the neocons want to bankrupt the country on a lie… (AGAIN)

And by the way — Just like the lie (HOAX) perpetrated on the American people before about WMD’s in Iraq!

Listen closely — IRAQ DID NOT HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS — AND NEITHER DOES IRAN—! SO DON’T LIE TO US AGAIN YAH FREAKIN’ BUSHCO’…WITH THAT SAME OLD LIE OF “WE MUST STOP THEM BEFORE THEY ATTACK US WITH NUKES!”

But then again - you neocons love war and killing - and slaughter and bloodshed — and great big boooms don’t yah’…. So much for Pro-Life eh?… KILL - KIll - KILL !!

Thomas

( So why is it that “Conservatives” never “Conserve” anything? )

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You’re the one saying you can’t breathe freely while we’re alive, I’m only trying to figure out what the hell you mean. By the way, how did Andy escape your hit list?

I actually feel sorry for you. Being as miserable as you are at such a tender age is really a tragic waste of life.

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

More bad news from Iraq.

As violence falls in Iraq, cemetery workers feel the pinch

Now Chimpy McBushitler is ruining the funeral business. Is there no end to his depravity?

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

RW, please cite me, with date and time, vis a vis “you can’t breathe freely while we’re alive”. Thanks in advance to admitting that you lied.

Thanks for your pity. Pity adds misery to life. I’m glad I’m able to add a little to yours with no ill effects on my own. Who says there’s no free lunch?

By Luckoduh

October 29, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

{{{{Social Security benefits are vital to nearly all recipients. About a third of the elderly rely on Social Security for 90 percent or more of their income; two-thirds count on it to supply at least half of their income. The program lifts 13 million elderly beneficiaries above poverty.}}}}

I’m not against “lifting the elderly out of poverty” but is this not a testimony to the idiocy of liberalism?

First of all, Social Security benefits are less than the poverty level.

What kind of life is that?

Why do the liberals hawk this like it is some freaking paradise at the end of the rainbow?

What a terrible injustice democrats do to the people that entrust them, and only them with their futures.

Meanwhile, the Conservatives try to get people to save some money for retirement and make their golden years more enjoyable.

But here are the libs dragging us deeper into abject poverty and despair, with so many dullards just happy to think they get something for free.

You got nothing, baby.

~~~~~~

{{{{Forecasters Blow It, Again: ‘07 Hurricane season may rank as most ‘inactive’ in 30 years}}}}

Again, they blow it.

And what of al-Gore and his little nobel “peace” prize winning hurricane movie?

What idiot people would believe anything these losers say, given their abysmal track record for predictions?

Uh, an idiot pinko, maybe?

By @@

October 29, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Whassamatta with ml today? It must irritate him when an individual CLAIMS his relevancy.

It’s a difficult task for a liberal to claim relevancy when he/she’s so busy fighting for those THEY SAY are irrelevant.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

rushncap can’t breathe? I wonder why…we can only guess that he’s been a busy little boy.

Blow it up and then squeak it.

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

I’d love to stay and continue this slaughter of the RWs, but I have a class to teach. Toodles…

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You’re not very good at conversational debate are you?

I’ll slow it down for you.

If you notice the construct of my 5:33 it begins “Did rushncap…” <———that would nearly always signify a question and in this case it pertains to your wish to be rid of many people in your bizarre 4:53 comment.

Your next babbling outburst at 6:13 made no attempt to answer said question only to perpetuate your violent nature.

My 6:21 is called streamlining the debate or reframing for clarification. You see when you make the blustering implied threats at 4:53 and go on to ignore questions about it, indeed even act as if the words don’t exist, it allows me to freely interpret your words to my liking. If you don’t like my framing you could always clarify your comment on your own which was the initial request anyway. Remember the part about “Did rushncap….”?

I do hope that was slow enough for you. If not, remedial classes start at 7:00.

By Luckoduh

October 29, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Listen to little baby Has Bin Laden whine and moan:

{{{{“Among the things which sadden the Muslims and delight the unbelievers,” bin Laden admits, “is the hindering of some combat operations against the enemy” due to, among other things, “treachery.”}}}}

Sniff, sniff.

{{{{Not only did the war divert precious resources from the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan, they argued, it also created a theater in which a seemingly endless stream of new jihadists could come humiliate the superpower.}}}}

{{{{Make no mistake: Even if al Qaeda were driven completely from Iraq, it would remain a potent force elsewhere. But no group could suffer such a defeat without significant consequences for both prestige and recruitment.}}}}

{{{{America’s other enemies, meanwhile, would have to think twice about further angering a lethally adaptable adversary.}}}}

You hear that, Imawhackjob?

We’re coming to get you, bwahahahahaha.

By rushncap

October 29, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Did RW stop beating his wife yet?

(Guess I had 5 min left before 7 pm class time…)

By RW-(the original)

October 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Did rushncap quit screwing his neighbor’s dog, Ingi, yet?

Don’t keep that pre-K class waiting rushncap, there are crayons to sharpen and juice boxes to set out.

By Midori

October 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

that’s the problem — she sports a wicked left hook.

why do you think he’s so angry all the time?

By John in Tampa, Fla

October 29, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Good Night All

By Mad As Zell

October 29, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

You moonbats need to pull up your panties and pull down your skirts because your stinky liberal bias is showing and it desperately needs a shave. Typical leftist hygiene…

By Frank

October 29, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Is that why you keep sniffing your fingers, mad?

By getalife

October 29, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Egypt to build nuclear plants and the US approves.

Wow, that should stop Iran.

Geez.

By anna

October 30, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Yowza! That comment about panties sure is nasty. I’m signing off after this one becuase everytime I read RB’s comments I feel more and more disgruntled that abortion may become illegal one day-good lord what if this man/woman has children?

With regards to abortion/death penalty, all I’m saying is that as Christians, God is the only person who judges us-decides whether we should live or die. How then can we as simple people, not in any way chosen by God, decide that one crime deserves the punishment of death while another doesn’t? That is arrogance in definition. All these blogs do is remind me to live in a small sheltered area completely devoid of war mongers, right wing FREAKS and religious zelots. And no I’m not talking about religious Islamists, I’m talking about you folks from Georgia with no brain and a dangerous amount of power. I simply cannot wait until Hillary/Obama silence you.

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