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By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this
Oh, I get it, the liberals and their silly environmental policies, which forces the release of billions of gallons from our drinking water reservoirs to “save” the fishies, have caused another unmitigated disaster, so of course they blame it on the governor.
Isn’t it just so typical?
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Boy, aren’t the refugees in Southern California making you cry baby perverts in New Orleans look like total failures?
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Look at Code Pink, willing to fight anybody but our enemies:
Screeching ‘Pink’ Protestors Greet Secretary Rice With ‘Bloody Hands’
What a contrast; a proud, distinguished woman representing the national security interests of the United States of America and an idiot feminist moron employing the only tactics that her undeveloped mind can come up with, hysteria.
Hillary Clinton unleashed.
Behold the face of yourself, liberals.
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{{{{Perino: Seems That ‘Congress Is Run By Code Pink’}}}}
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{{{{In a free and open society, those weapons defeat the Democrats’ phony indignation every time. Rush left the 41 Democrats looking like clowns…and cheapskates. So far as I have been able to tell, not one has yet to send the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation a check.}}}}
Rush cheerfully gave 2.1 million to the families of fallen marines and law enforcement, the democrats have given, uh, what?
There’s that “giving of your own free will” thing again, the libs make laws to force other people to give up their money but they have a death grip on their own wallet.
Cheap and tawdry.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this
{{{{ Officials at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention denied they’d been censored. “This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard,” Gerberding said of the furor. “I don’t let people put words in my mouth. I spoke the truth to Congress.”}}}}
End of story, right?
Well, not quite:
{{{{Amid allegations that the White House censored CDC Director Julie Gerberding’s written testimony on climate change, a U.S. senator Wednesday called for the release of documents detailing how and why changes were made. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, sent a letter to President Bush seeking all drafts of the written testimony for comparison with what Gerberding presented at a committee hearing Tuesday.-Urinal}}}}
Another hysterical liberal junk science attack, Gerberding’s report didn’t say what the pinkos wanted to hear, so they throw a fit and start falsely accusing people of “censorship,” if that doesn’t take the cake.
The liberals don’t want the media reporting anything that they don’t approve, they are in full battle dress to censor talk radio, now the government scientists have to present reports that are based on the false notions of liberalism or the author’s can expect to be attacked.
Can you say tyranny?
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{{{{About six pieces of foam broke off Discovery’s external fuel tank during launch and one or more may have even hit the shuttle, but it happened late enough to be of little or no concern. Shannon said nothing appeared to come off the tank’s brackets, which were modified after a small piece of bracket foam came loose and gouged Endeavour’s belly in August.}}}}
This what NASA, the global warming junk scientists hobby shop, does in their spare time, launch rockets that fall apart during flight.
Isn’t that just wonderful?
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this
Head of the Corps of Engineers – Wander through these two pages and see if any of the names ring a bell
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
Water crisis demands curbs to uncontrolled growth
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
Georgians are facing a crisis. Scientists, government leaders, environmentalists, and climatologists agree that we face the most severe drought since the dust bowl of the early 1930s. While The Georgia Conservancy supports the development of a long-term, statewide water management plan that includes water conservation measures, there are many things we can do today to lessen the impact of the current drought on our state
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
The Governor of Alabama has not declared war on Georgia. There’s still water for all. In 1860, Georgia didn’t want anything to do with Alabama or the Confederacy. Georgia wanted out of any country. Georgia wanted to be it’s own. My water. My Piedmont. My incredibly large rock for no reason in the middle of nowhere.
It is not impossible for us to have a small tactical nuclear exchange with Alabama, (of course these will be redneck nukes, or multiple smoke alarms rubberbanded together and dropped from crop dusters.) There’s radioactivity in them there smoke alarms, dont you know, and if even one of them bundles gits in the reservoir, you can kiss our drinking water goodbye.
So lets have peace, and share our water, and quit building McMansions!
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this
Climate Science Watch has obtained a copy of the testimony on the health impacts of climate change as drafted by Dr. Julie Gerberding, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This draft testimony was substantially cut by the White House before Dr. Gerberding was allowed to testify before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on Octonber 23. See Details for the document.
The rest of Duh’s article….Uproar swirls around words of CDC chief Senator wants to see preliminary drafts of testimony on health effects of climate change…..
No they did not put words in her mouth.
They did not allow her to speak all of them.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Climate Science Watch has obtained a copy of the testimony on the health impacts of climate change as drafted by Dr. Julie Gerberding, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This draft testimony was substantially cut by the White House before Dr. Gerberding was allowed to testify before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on Octonber 23. See Details for the document.
The rest of Duh’s article….Uproar swirls around words of CDC chief Senator wants to see preliminary drafts of testimony on health effects of climate change…..
No they did not put words in her mouth.
It appears they took some words away.
By John C. Snider
October 25, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
I notice that Sonny is now begging Bush and the Corps of Engineers for help. What happened to praying for rain, Sonny? Oh, that’s right…god hears our prayers but sometimes he says no. Riiight…
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
If we took shorter showers, wouldn’t we use less soap? And if we used less soap, then wouldn’t we carry around more bacteria? and if we carried around more bacteria, wouldn’t it mutate into a superbug which could cause super body oder? This is no way to conserve water, my friends, at most you will only succeed in attracting flies.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
Firefighters Get Control as Questions Rise
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
{{{{By IN THE NEWS October 25, 2007 8:18 AM It appears they took some words away.}}}}
So who do you believe?
{{{{Officials at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention denied they’d been censored. “This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard,” Gerberding said of the furor. “I don’t let people put words in my mouth. I spoke the truth to Congress.”}}}}
Some stupid slobbering goony klown that thinks just because it sounds good coming out of it’s anti American filthy little mouth that it must be true, or the person that actually wrote the report?
Duh.
DHIMMI THE NEWS: Stick to your mindless propaganda and idiot huffington post articles, you are out of your league challenging me, gimpy.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this
As firefighters continue to risk their lives battling the inferno in southern California, evidence is growing that the Bush administration is not adequately prepared to support them. The Government Accountability Office, Congress’s nonpartisan auditor, issued stark warnings earlier this year on shortcomings in the administration’s plans to fight fires. In a June report, the GAO report faulted the U.S. Forest Service, Department of Agriculture, and other agencies for failing to accomplish the “fundamental step” of planning out what assets and resources were needed to prepare for approaching fire seasons.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
But in recent days, that secretive Blackwater world has begun to fray under so much scrutiny, said four current and two former Blackwater employees. They described a grating sense among many of Blackwater guards, especially those with years of experience, that the killings on Sept. 16 were unjustified. “Some guys are thinking that it was not a good shoot, that it was not warranted,” said one Blackwater contractor, using military jargon for an episode that results in a wrongful death. “I don’t think there was criminal intent involved. I just think it was the application of the use of deadly force gone horribly wrong.” He added, “To mitigate one threat, 17 people had to die?”
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
From the hysterical AJC article:
{{{To the Union of Concerned Scientists, it appears Gerberding was censored.}}}
Who are the Union of Concerned Scientists?
The Union of Concerned Scientists was born out of a protest against the war in Vietnam. In 1969, a group of 48 faculty members at MIT — the original “union” — sponsored a one-day work stoppage of scientific research. A conference that coincided with the strike included appearances from such notables as Noam Chomsky (who is now recognized as a leader of the 21st Century “hate-America left”); Eric Mann, who led the 1960s terrorist Weather Underground; and Jonathan Kabat, who argued: “We want capitalism to come to an end.”
How ironic that they are complaining about censorship. Projection perhaps?
{{{UCS routinely abuses and politicizes science… UCS helped initiate the vicious attacks on Danish scientist (and “Skeptical Environmentalist”) Bjorn Lomborg, only to be repudiated by the Danish Ministry of Science, Technology, and Industry. And in 2003, the group dressed up its “strong opposition to the US invasion of Iraq” as an exercise in science.)))
They’ve done a great job of spreading global warming religion, err, mythology:
{{{In 1997 UCS organized a petition that warned of “global warming” and advocated U.S. ratification of the Kyoto treaty. It was signed by 1,600 scientists, and so UCS declared that “the scientific community has reached a consensus.” But when a counter-petition that questioned this so-called “consensus” was signed by more than 17,000 other scientists, UCS declared it a “deliberate attempt to deceive the scientific community with misinformation.”}}}
By Georgia 74
October 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this
Great cartoon, just another example of what a dufus Sonny Perdue is. I can’t even type Gov. in front of his name, it irks me so bad.
By The Alpha Male
October 25, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Gee… Luckovich banging on a Republican… you could’ve knocked me over with a sledgehammer.
By reebok
October 25, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
I agree Sonny is a bad joke, but this cartoon is a gratuitous cheap shot. We are in a drought…blaming Sonny is as worthless as blaming the Corps of Engineers.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
The Union of Concerned bloggers wants Buy Danish to seek medical attention immediately.
The Guild of Ambivalent Pundits wants Buy Danish to go far, far away, yet remain close, so that a good beech slapping is always opportuned.
Did anybody check out the gubernatorial goober’s reaction to a question at his press conference about pell mell planning for development which could have contributed to this water crisis, as overstated as it is. Classic take. It wouldn’t have been as funny if he had mugged any reaction. He just stood there, implacable, unyeilding, not even a twitch. Great stuff. Great performance. We just may have the right bagman in the mansion after all.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
BUY DANISH LINK FROM
ACTIVIST CASH.COM
ActivistCash.com is a web site affiliated with the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. ActivistCash.com was launched in November 2001.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
Bush administration officials acknowledged yesterday that they heavily edited testimony on global warming, delivered to Congress on Tuesday by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, after the president’s top science adviser and other officials questioned its scientific basis. Senate Democrats say they want to investigate the circumstances involved in the editing of CDC Director Julie L. Gerberding’s written testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on “climate change and public health.” Gerberding testimony shrank from 12 pages to six after it was reviewed by the Office of Management and Budget
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
Conservatives too busy for hearing on Iraq war’s cost. White House staffers aren’t the only ones “not worried” about the ultimate cost of the Iraq war. The Republicans in Congress seem equally apathetic. The House Budget Committee held a hearing today to receive testimony regarding the CBO’s estimate that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars may total $2.4 trillion. Only one Republican member of the committee attended.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this
Suspected arsonist shot dead at college campus.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2198866,00.html
What is it about college campuses and arsonists? Flashback:
April 19, 2005/LOS ANGELES – A graduate student in physics (was) sentenced to more than eight years in prison for firebombing a Hummer dealership and damaging or destroying 125 SUVs.
{{{Cottrell, who a defense lawyer said had read Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity in third grade, was a gifted student at the University of Chicago and a doctoral candidate at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.)}}
In other words, he is a sort of Idiot Savant who was a Useful Idiot.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
It’s really hard to believe a grad student in physics could be a fire bombing, terrorist nut they generally seem so mild mannered and sane.
/sarc
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
ITN,
FIND A SINGLE FACTUAL ERROR IN MY 8:38.
Moving right along…
LAKE ARROWHEAD — As flames ravage surrounding communities, this resort town high in the San Bernardino Mountains emerged largely unscathed, an island in a sea of destruction.
{{{The credit for that isolated victory, federal officials say, should go to firefighting tactics, shifting winds and favorable terrain and a sometimes controversial U.S. Forest Service effort to eliminate the tinder that fuels forest fires.
Since 2002, the Forest Service has removed millions of trees, thinned brush and cut low-hanging branches, creating fuel breaks around almost 80% of the community. Fires don’t spread quickly or easily through such areas, instead burning lower to the ground and with less intensity.
“The fuel breaks saved Lake Arrowhead,” said Randall Clauson, the Forest Service’s division chief for the San Bernardino National Forest and incident commander earlier this week on the two biggest wildfires still burning in the mountains.
He said he believes that, without the breaks, “the fire would have run right through Lake Arrowhead and gone to Highway 18, cutting off the evacuation route and probably resulting in the loss of hundreds of lives.”}}}
Gosh, who is it that find these preventive measures “controversial” and do everything within their power to obstruct them?
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
RW,
Isn’t it shocking!
/sarc!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Look at the changes page from ITFS’s wikisourcewatch page. Even the entries that don’t say Ron Paul are about Ron Paul when you look at the actual edits. I guess there’s only enough time to smear a group that exposes the Union of Concerned Scientists when you’ve got Ron Paul’s backside to cover.
ITFS,
When you want to show us how despicable a watchdog group that goes after one of your left wing wacko groups is, how about using a source you can’t write yourself.
By mm
October 25, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
You wingnuts are always blaming the libs for limiting free speech. But it’s the wingnuts who limit free speech, withold information, and threaten news organizations.
In the last 2 days we’ve had our wingnut administration stifle a speech about the health issues associated with climate change AND instructed NASA to “bury” information about mistakes by the airline industry.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
{{{{When the New Republic last spoke publicly in the voice of “the editors” on this matter ten weeks ago, they promised to report to their readers concerning the results of their investigation of Beauchamp’s column. The investigation may be over, but TNR isn’t disclosing the conclusions they have reached. Inteligent readers certainly have enough information to draw their own conclusions. The New Republic and “the editors” involved in continuing the coverup — Peter Scoblic, Franklin Foer, Jonathan Chait and the rest of the crew — (((((are happy to treat their readers as credulous fools who will believe anything so long as it reflects poorly on the United States armed forces)))) or as chumps who are indifferent to the truth.}}}}
By RB from Gwinnett
October 25, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
By Analchord October 25, 2007 8:14 AM
What do McMansions have to do with anything? Doesn’t a family of 4 basically use the same water whether their house is 1000 sq ft or 5000 sq ft?
Maybe a little class envy from you there Analchord? Everything is the fault of “rich” people, eh?
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
ActivistCash.com goes after progressive organizations
By RB from Gwinnett
October 25, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
By Analchord October 25, 2007 8:14 AM
What do McMansions have to do with anything? Doesn’t a family of 4 basically use the same water whether their house is 1000 sq ft or 5000 sq ft?
Maybe a little class envy from you there Analchord? Everything is the fault of “rich” people, eh?
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
ITN,
I don’t want you to stub anymore toes, so as a compassionate person I’ll help you out with your research on the Union of Concerned Scientists.
I believe that Discover the Networks is privately funded (by people like me!) but scandalously their website does take advertising for things like Green Cell phones.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
ActivistCash.com ActivistCash.com is part of the internet PR campaign run by Rick Berman’s Washington DC PR firm, Berman & Co. Berman is also behind the Monsanto-supported Center for Consumer Freedom. ActivistCash claims to ‘root out the funding sources’ of ‘the most notorious and extreme groups that conspire to restrict the public’s food and beverage choices’. In fact, ActivistCash.com draws on information already largely public and mixes in distortions and misinformation. More on ActivistCash.com
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
According to documents made available as a result of tobacco litigation, ActivistCash.com and its parent, GuestChoice.com, are part of the tobacco and related industries’ continuing effort to undermine health regulations.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
ac·tiv·ist
–noun
an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, esp. a political cause.–adjective
of or pertaining to activism or activists: an activist organization for environmental concern.
advocating or opposing a cause or issue vigorously, esp. a political cause: Activist opponents of the President picketed the White House.
DAMN! WHO MADE IT A SIN TO BE AN ACTIVIST?
DAMN! I THOUGHT IT WAS THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL PROCESS THAT WERE THE PROBLEM!
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
ITN,
Imagine that! How shocking it is that a group may go after “Progressive”, i.e, Socialist, organizations!
Why, we’re supposed to take their P.R. statements (P as in Propaganda/ R as in Releases) and not question a word of them!
They are so well-intentioned, dontcha know!
P.S. Let me know when you find a factual error in what I posted about the UCS. Shooting the messenger does not count.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
Thanks for the link Buy Danish!
Liberals like science. They don’t make war on it.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
Let me know if I posted an error about Activist cash.com.
””“Why, we’re supposed to take their P.R. statements (P as in Propaganda/ R as in Releases) and not question a word of them!”“”“
Does this apply to ALL things?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
{{{{DAMN! WHO MADE IT A SIN TO BE AN ACTIVIST?}}}}
Get in your time machine (google will suffice) and you’ll find that’s how Democrats took back control of Congress in 2006. They smeared the actions of any outside influence on Washington and claimed they would rid the town of lobbyists and activists.
By @@
October 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
ml’s complaining about the restrictions on bathing? It’s a boner errr bummer I know but…
“Spit baths” for the troops is what a liberal calls good “clean” fun.
More attention needs to be paid to the real culprits behind Cali’s wildfires. Environmentalists, the left’s “dirty” little secret.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Okay, seriously, what happened to all the water? It didn’t just one day disappear.
I heard Shirley Franklin on the news the other night look like such a fool. She said, well, we didn’t predict Atlanta’s growth very well.
Yeah, it looks that way, apparently not.
Sonny Perdue has to have environmental advisors (one would hope), what have they been advising?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
ITFS,
Just for fun I’ll stipulate that you didn’t post an error about activistcash.com. Now please tell us the errors that Buy Danish posted about the UCS.
Later all!
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
lobbyist
noun
someone who is employed to persuade legislators to vote for legislation that favors the lobbyist’s employer
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
“Safe, legal and rare:”
{{{{His 107 charges against Planned Parenthood include allegations of “unlawful late-term abortions,” “unlawful failure to determine viability for late-term abortion,” “making false information” and “unlawful failure to maintain records.” Anti-abortion activists see Kline’s prosecution as the springboard for a national campaign. Forty other states have abortion laws similar to the Kansas statute that says abortion is legal only when the fetus cannot live independently outside the mother’s womb — that is, not “viable.”}}}}
Drilling a hole in the head of and tearing limb from limb the unborn children, what a sick, despicable abomination you liberals have brought to a civilized society and you continue to propagate this atrocity with lies.
May God have mercy on your souls.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Is It Game Over for U.S. Control of Iraqi Oil? The oil game in Iraq may be almost up as the Iraqi government is trying to oust the U.S.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
First, RW, you’d have to show me where I posted that there were errors.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Are the Wildfires in California Related to Global Warming? Environmental journalist Bill McKibben explains the connection between raging wildfires and our warming planet.
By N-GA
October 25, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Some posters are (mis-)interpreting this toon as “blaming” Governor Perdue for the water crisis. Others are saying that ML is taking a shot at bathing restrictions (I didn’t know that he imposed any bathing restrictions).
I think he is criticizing the lame attempts to address the problem. But then these armchair critics wouldn’t know what to say….
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
The Art Of The Hissy Fit
By mike
October 25, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
The Corpse of Engineers - are these the same guys who built the NO category 3 levies? There are category 5 hurricanes but you build category 3 levies. You let out more water out the lake than comes in. So when there is no water left you can get on tv say we followed the mandate. Now no one has water. Not humans, mussles or sturgeons. But we did our job.
By Young Republican
October 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
If that guy in todays cartoon had been praying instead of holding his glass out for a hand out he might still be alive today.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
SCHIP Is Back, House to Vote Again Today
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
{{{{Roger Ailes, chairman and CEO of Fox News and the new Fox Business Network, on the secret of his success: “People say, ‘You didn’t go to Columbia Journalism School — how can you run a news organization?’ I say, ‘I have two qualifications: (1) I didn’t go to Columbia Journalism School, so there’s a chance I’ll be fair. And (2) I never want to go to a party in this town (New York), so there’s nobody’s a— I have to kiss.’”}}}}
By Young Christian
October 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
If the young Republcans cared more about the thirsty people they might have life everlasting.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
ITN,
We were meant to infer that because Activist Cash was said to be a front group for Big Tobacco, that whatever information they provided about the UCS was false.
That is the “logic” you loons use. Where do you think these groups get their money from?
A favorite retort to William Gray’s position as a global warming skeptic is that he received a $100,000 grant from Exxon Mobil. But ironically many of the same groups who attack Exxon Mobil are funded by foundations who have large investments in Exxon Mobil.
When we ask that you find factual discrepancies you can’t because you are not equipped to do that.
Why? You’re nothing but a parrot who has zero analytical ability or common sense.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Not got much to do today BD?
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
President Bush waited until he had vetoed a relatively inexpensive children’s health insurance bill before asking for tens of billions of dollars more for his misadventure in Iraq. The cynicism of that maneuver is only slightly less shameful than the president’s distorted priorities. Despite a pretense of fiscal prudence, Mr. Bush keeps throwing money at his war, regardless of the cost in blood, treasure or children’s health care.
By luckovichisaheadcase
October 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Neither side should politicize this drought, least of all liberals who are in large part responsible for the inflexible and often rediculous environmental rules concerning water distribution. What if there were no dam? What would happen to the folks downstream then? The fact is that the Governor of Alabama claims that they have been rationing water, but I see no evidence of it all. But the fact is that water rationing right now and water conservation are pointless exercises because the ACE is releasing so much water that if we used no water in the Atlanta area, it would go dry in less than three months. This entire argument is really facile. Actually, it is beyond even felacious, it is inane! They MUST STOP RELEASING WATER FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE!!
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
From ITN’s “News”:
{{{Defamation is the destruction or attempted destruction of the reputation, status, character or standing in the community of a person or group of persons by unfair, wrongful, or malicious speech or publication. For the purposes of this essay, the central element is defamation in retaliation for the real or imagined attitudes, opinions or beliefs of the victim, with the intention of silencing or neutralizing his or her influence, and/or making an example of them so as to discourage similar independence and “insensitivity” or non-observance of taboos. It is different in nature and degree from simple criticism or disagreement in that it is aggressive, organized and skillfully applied, often by an organization or representative of a special interest group, and in that it consists of several characteristic elements.}}}
You mean like posting tabloid details of Richard Mellon’s Scaife’s divorce as a means to discredit him?
YOU did that and since you have no independent reasoning ability (and it is highly unlikely that you read the Pittsburgh press on a daily basis) it is likely that you were inspired by left wing blogs to spread the news, err, dirt far and wide.
Moreover, Midori claimed that we “defame” George Soros, yet no one has ever posted a single thing about his personal life here.
Later!
By luckovichisaheadcase
October 25, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS - What universe do you live in? I did not realize that a program which will cost AT LEAST $35 billion a year and will only grow is ‘relatively inexpensive.’ You liberals really like to be free with other people’s money, don’t you? I guess you just want to disband the military altogether and surrender to Al Qaeda and Iran? Why don’t you just go surrender yourself to them and see how nicely they will treat you, you being ‘non-Muslim’ and all. You, Pete Stark and Harry Reid are all cut from the same dirty cloth.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Apparently not.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Before I go, I cannot leave without noting this classic example of doltish behavior from the toe-stubbing spammer, who is too freaking stupid to recognize the hypocrisy:
{{{By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Not got much to do today BD?}}}
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
(CBS13) WASHINGTON Vice President Dick Cheney was caught on tape and caught off guard during a meeting with President Bush. A news crew was taping a cabinet meeting at the White House as the president was giving a briefing on the California wildfires. The news crew caught Cheney as he appeared to be nodding off.
The energizer VP
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
She really likes me ….don’t she!
Now I need a shower!
By N-GA
October 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
I’m surprised that this (GOP) administration hasn’t recommended a “market” approach to addressing the water crisis.
I’m sure that someone can arrive at the “minimum required water needed” per person. Then households using more than the MRWN would pay for that water at a significantly increased rate. This could be done for the duration of the crisis. Similar restrictions would need to be placed upon business consumers.
Financial incentives often work better than voluntary controls.
By Monica Blewbillski
October 25, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
So W has spent more than any other Prez in history. I thought the GOP was the conservative, less spending party and the Dems were the free spending party.
I am confused.
By John in Tampa, Fla
October 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
I grew up watching Bob Barker, Bob Barker was a great game show host. Bob Barker was a friend of mine.
You, Drew Carey, are no Bob Barker.
By luckovichisafirster
October 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Gosh that 11:19 post really got me thinking. We need to disband the military immediately!!!!!
Its time for our military to hand over their weapons to our Al Queada brothers in Iraq and Iran. How often does this need to be repeated here.
I am one of at least 10,000 liberals here on this blog that day after day after day have been calling for our surrender to Bin Laden.
Now if we can only get them corporations to stop making profits and eliminate the words “Merry Christmas” from our vocabulary we will finally be seeing some progress.
PRAY FOR RAIN
By Sound like.........
October 25, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
……..anybody we know?
Superiority complex refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intent of drawing attention), pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbishness, a tendency to discredit other’s opinions, forcefulness aimed at dominating those considered as weaker or less important, credulity, and others.
Psychologists have found a strong correlation between those who suffer with this mental defect and membership in the Republican Party.
By J. Hazzard
October 25, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
Where’s the 2nd batch of guest cartoons?
By Anonymous
October 25, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
I’m sure the magic of the marketplace(TM) will fix this little water problem. After all, people deserve only as much clean water as they can afford—and if you’re too poor to drink, it’s not OUR fault!
By getalife
October 25, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
This why why you do not have water
Repent wingnuts.
By jacksonwolff
October 25, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Monica-
Democrats are “tax and spend liberals”
But that beats a “dine and dash” conservative anyday.
By John in Tampa, Fla
October 25, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
I said it before and I will say it again.
We need our own local reservoirs that we control ourselves instead of the army corp controlling our destiny.
A 1,000,000,000 gallons of water a day released because of mussels.
Henry County and Cobb County are building their own water stashes, how ‘bout everyone else.
Don’t pray for rain, pray for some sense in water mgmt.
By AmVet
October 25, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Yes, we live in an age where the numbers are often staggering, but 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS?!!!
{{WASHINGTON — The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost as much as $2.4 trillion through the next decade, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday. The White House brushed off the analysis as “speculation.”}}
Of course they would! These are the incompetent boobs who brought you this “Iraqi war” and predicted it would cost but $50 Billion! I guess that’s not too bad, I mean being off by a factor of forty or so. And to add insult to injury they even assumed that the Iraqis would pick up that tab.
I realize full well that the US Constitution only provides for impeachment under the guidelines of “high crimes and misdemeanors”, but if there were a clause for being completely inept and deadly screw ups who intentionally mislead the nation, the vote, even with the remaining apologist neo-cons in the Senate, would carry by a large margin.
By Georgia 74
October 25, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
What’s wrong with Cheney nodding off, this the best thing that could happen at any meeting he attends and certainly the safest for Amercuh.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Did anybody see Monica Pearson and the channel 2 special on the water crisis?
I can’t find any back up, but one of the folks they interviewed said it really isn’t just about the mussels.
If we lose the mussels, they said, we lose that entire eco-system (wetlands, streams etc), which means no oysters, no shrimp etc, and the gulf coast fishing economy goes to hell in a handbasket.
Anybody hear anything about this?
By Hmmmmm
October 25, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
A dem governor would seek welfare relief without asking the recipients to do a damn thing in return. Whats your problem Mikey? Does a lib bonehead like you resent the fact that everybody is suffering this time?
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
October 25, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
LuckoDuh,
Please note that I am actually going to be serious for a moment.
I completly agree that abortion is a disgusting practice and that no woman should do it unless 1) her life is in danger or 2) carrying to full term will likely lead to a non-viable baby and could result in an inability to have children in the future.
However, the first thing I have to recognize is that not everybody thinks about this in the same way I do. Second, I have a problem with the Government telling a woman what she can or can’t do with respect to her reproduction. Third, the premise that abortion should be illegal is largely based upon equating the fetus with a live, born person. However, we do not have funerals for miscarriages. We do not have death certificates for miscarriages. Should the police get involved with miscarraiges? Should they look to see if the miscarraige occurred do to some reckless or negligent behavior. In other words, if a fetus is a person it would be reckless murder to engage in a dangerous activity, maybe even speeding, leading to the death of the fetus. It might not even matter if she knew she was pregnant. So it seems to me that if you put the fetus on the same par with a live person you are creating all sorts of liability, civil and criminal, upon women. Do you wnat fathers suing mothers because they had a cigarette during pregnancy? You could spin on and on about the problems of equating people with unborn children.
Further, if I knew that a person was going to go into a day care and kill some kids it would be my right to shoot that person down like a dog. However, even the vast majority of Pro-Life people do not believe that killing to stop abortions is akin to defense of others. That smacks of hypocrisy.
So my take on this issue is that it is a completely moral issue and that what we ought to be doing rather than trying to change laws is to change people’s attitudes towards abortion and try to change people’s behavior so that they do not have unwanted preganancies.
I’m very interested in a SERIOUS non-name calling debate on this issue. Again the question isn’t right or wrong, the question is what is the proper legal status of the fetus and what should the state’s role be in protecting one?
RWNJIFG
By getalife
October 25, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
When they gop wants to cut spending, this is the estimated cost of the Iraq occupation:
$2,400,000,000,000.
While they cut American children’s health care.
This is why you have no water.
Repent.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
{{{{{intentionally mislead the nation}}}}
Blowhard,
That WOULD fall under the definition of a High Crime or Misdemeanor were it a true statement.
I suggest you get your Congress Critters on the horn ans please try to be brief and to the point.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Perino: ‘There Are Public Health Benefits To Climate Change’ For People Who Die From ‘Cold’ ………..While the National Research Council (NRC) has found that “cold-related stress is likely to decline” with climate change, it comes at the cost of “heat stress,” which “is projected to increase.” According to the NRC, “those with heart problems, asthma, the elderly, the very young and the homeless can be especially vulnerable to extreme heat.”
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two senators on Wednesday threatened to introduce bipartisan legislation that would block the Federal Communication Commission from easing rules governing media ownership. Sens. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, and Trent Lott, a Mississippi Republican, said they were studying possible legislation that would nullify an FCC decision expected on December 18.
By The Watcher
October 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Just gossip but
could it be that the Dems think that a grand jury and indictment after the election would be more fun than impeachment?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
{{{{{By IN THE NEWS October 25, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this First, RW, you’d have to show me where I posted that there were errors}}}}}
So if you agreed with Buy Danish’s assessment of the UCS all along why all the subterfuge? Did some of that furniture you were kicking around hit your head by any chance?
By the way, I’ve heard a lot of that in the past about the mussels and it seems they are very important to the the ecosystem and overall balance of life between fresh and salt water lifeforms. I’m not sure we need to release as much water as we are for them since a lot of it is to grow them for harvest, but we have to make sure they are not wiped out if at all possible.
Later again!
By RB from Gwinnett
October 25, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
By Right-wing nut job in full glory October 25, 2007 12:05 PM
Some good points on abortion. A couple of comments….
If you know anyone who has miscarried a child (a fetus to a liberal), they will tell you there is no difference in losing the unborn child and losing a child after birth. Yes, there are not usually funeral services, but some actually do that and the pain felt by the parents is as real either way.
The libs keep trying to tack this “viable outside the womb” thing on there claiming life doesn’t begin until the fetus is able to survive outside the womb. That number used to be north of 30 weeks, but as medical advances keep lowering the number (now at around 20 weeks, or half term), where does the line get drawn? Is it a line that moves based on medicine, or is there a moral and societal line that exists and is not dependent on advances? I think we all know the answer to that, but the left will never admit that because it conflicts with the woman’s “right” to do what she wants with her body. How we can say she can kill the child the day before it’s born but not the day after is just ludicrous. The only “choice” we should be discussing here is her “choice” to have sex or not.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
RW must not have much to do today either.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory October 25, 2007 12:05 PM I’m very interested in a SERIOUS non-name calling debate on this issue.}}}}
If you have to kill it, it is alive.
Any questions?
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
I’m sure that if we had private corporations solely in charge of water resources and maintenance, all the poorer Americans would’ve died from thirst a long time ago and maybe we wouldn’t be having such a water shortage today??? That seems to fall in line with the Repugs’ scheme of privatizing EVERYTHING in order to make a PROFIT off of EVERYTHING, yes?
Also, I’m sure the wildfires this week wouldn’t be so devastating to all of southern California if we didn’t have those damned “socialized” fire depts. in America, instead of the better privatized system of neighborhood fire insurance policies making all that PROFIT off of Americans who can afford to pay… correct, you Neo-con trolls???
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
{{The only “choice” we should be discussing here is her “choice” to have sex or not.}}
THERE YOU HAVE IT, right there in plain sight — the true agenda of the Repugnant Party, commonly known as the “Sex Police Party”!!!
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
They are pro death penalty and pro blowing up babies while cutting childrens health care.
Pro death is evil.
Repent.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Drug Kingpins for Rudy Giuliani
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
They are pro torture, reditions to torture to death, pro locking people up without a lawyer or trial and torturing them.
They are evil, so stop with the pro life crap duh.
Repent.
By getalife's wanker
October 25, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
That includes abortion too, right?
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
They steal billions of your money, they censure global warming disease data, they use mercenaries to slaughter innocent people, they give jobs and your money to their rich friends, they let people drown and starve in NO, they displace millions of people for war, they want to attack another third world country to kill more babies.
They are pure evil.
Repent.
By chill pill
October 25, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
eat me getalife and goldie
By RE
October 25, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
Honest question here about abortion
If the ultimate goal of the pro life crowd is to reduce the number of abortions, why is there not a push, in addition to overturning Roe V Wade, to increase the amount of information and access to contraception.
It would seem the best way to reduce the number of abortions in this country and worldwide is to make contraception more easily available as well as to have that information brought out to those most at risk, which are usually kids from thier teens to early twenties. But the same pro life crowd seems to push for absitenance only education that limits information on contraception.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Some aliases for the Repugnant Party:
“The Pro Fetus Party”;
“Death To The Middle Class Party”;
“Only Those Who Pay Can Play Party”;
“Men Rule! Party”;
“Dictators For Every State Party”;
“The Has-Been Party”…
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife October 25, 2007 1:08 PM They are pro torture, reditions to torture to death, pro locking people up without a lawyer or trial and torturing them.}}}}
al-Gitmo: Unborn babies don’t blow themselves up among innocent women and children like you terrorists do.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, moonbat.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
{{eat me getalife and goldie}}
Dream on, freak!
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
They want rape victims and women to die in their pro life bs.
They are from pro life, it is just something to hate.
They have to hate to make them happy.
Sick.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
You think something is wrong with the protection of a woman’s fetus? You’ve got serious issues lady!
Also, what free party that you know of is worth going to? You do have to pay to get into all the good ones. Its the crappy ones that are free.
You’re a dope.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
They hate me because I’m a rape victim. That’s why I’m homosexual.
They want me to die and prevent me from marrying.
They invade our bedrooms.
Bwa.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
duh,
If you are going to be pro life, be consistent or STFU.
That argument is pathetic and history.
By rushncap
October 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
RB, so if we limit all voluntary (i.e. non-emergency) abortions to the first trimester, you’ll be ok with abortion being legal?
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Duh makes better sense than you do. You take honest and precise positions that repubs have and pervert them into what you think about them. They don’t want rape victims to die, they just don’t believe that killing an unborn child doesn’t right a wrong that has been done to the woman.
Because of your 1:31 post, I won’t attack or debate you any further.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Good point RE,
I think it’s very easy for pro-lifers to group all liberals into a villanous group. That way they don’t have to answer the realistic questions like what you just mentioned.
RB,
“The only “choice” we should be discussing here is her “choice” to have sex or not.”
And who gets to make those choices?
Her “choice” to have sex or not? Are you saying that women should have to obtain permission before they have sex?
Also,
“How we can say she can kill the child the day before it’s born but not the day after is just ludicrous.”
Yes, that is ludicrous, have you ever met someone who thinks that? And if you say, all liberals, well, then you’re just wrong. I know a lot of liberals, and none of them think that.
If a person kills a baby the day before it’s born would be arrested for murder.
You should really get out more and meet more people. You really have some mixed up assumptions about liberals that just aren’t true.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Good, so stop wanking too loser.
By John in Tampa, Fla
October 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
My experience with pro-lifers:
When I lived in Houston I was referred to a specialist whose office was in the same large medical building as a family planning center.
The pro-lifers hassled me, blocked my way to the door and tried to ram their opinions down my throat.
All I wanted to do was mind my own business and for them to do the same.
These people were as close to domestic terrorists as I have come accross.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse:
“You take honest and precise positions that repubs have and pervert them into what you think about them”
Didn’t RB just do the same thing (vice versa) to liberals in his 12:44 post?
By getalife
October 25, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
wingnuts think they can change human nature in puberty horny young adults.
The absence of condoms leads to aids.
They are killing these young adults with their abstinence crap.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Let’s recap:
12:03—ITFS asks about the mussels
12:34—RW adds to what ITFS has offered in the mussel discussion
12:46—ITFS decides to dismiss himself from the discussion by pointing out that anyone talking to ITFS must be extremely bored. Good point ITFS. I can certainly see why you try to stick to mindless spam, it’s a good match for your mental acuity.
1:04—ITFS crawls back into the safety of the swamp.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
You just contradicted yourself within one post.
What part of her making a choice to have sex demontrates getting permission from someone? Does her making a choice to get an abortion also demonstrate her getting someone’s permission?
As far as grouping liberals into villainous groups, tell me if you’ve heard this one before: “Republicans don’t care about the poor”, or how about this one: “Republicans want to deny a woman’s right to choose and allow her to die if necessary”. Sound familiar?
This is the kind of ignorance that liberals, oops excuse me, most liberals engage in.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife October 25, 2007 1:35 PM duh, If you are going to be pro life, be consistent or STFU.}}}}
al-Gitmo: The day that an unborn baby flys a fully loaded passenger jet into an office building, I will become pro abortion.
Until then, I believe in protecting the innocent.
You are the mouthpiece for the throat cutters of the world and no amount of flipping your lid will change that.
Live with the abomination that you are.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
John in Tampa FL,
Why do you link people who are pro life with nutcases who stake out hospitals and clinics? Would it be fair for me to link you with people who bomb animal clinics as well?
By BLUNT
October 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
This time next month I will be in Amsterdam.
They must have nice lawns over there because I keep hearing about their grass.
Yippe, roll me a FAT one.
Also: I never see anyone eating brownies on the way to Amsterdam but everyone eats them on the way back. What’s up with that?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
{{{{{If a person kills a baby the day before it’s born would be arrested for murder.}}}}}
Could you clarify that sentence please? I’m trying to figure out if you’re saying that they would be arrested as a matter of law or as what you think should happen.
By BLUNT
October 25, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
This time next month I will be in Amsterdam.
They must have nice lawns over there because I keep hearing about their grass.
Yippe, roll me a FAT one.
Also: I never see anyone eating brownies on the way to Amsterdam but everyone eats them on the way back. What’s up with that?
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
RW
I do apologize for ruffling your feathers.
My comment was aimed at your first statement.
Remember that one?
Actually, your statement regarding the mussels made sense. I assumed you had enough self esteem to understand that. Perhaps not.
Feel better?
Now you go have a good day!
By RB from Gwinnett
October 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
You libs are amazing in your inability to understand a statement or the issues surrounding it. And then you start throwing the HATE comment around again. It’s tired, libs, let it go.
Let’s make 2 things very clear. 1, I don’t hate anyone for having an abortion, performing an abortion, assisting an abortion. 2, I really don’t give 1 flying rats a@@ what you do in your bedroom. Screw your dog for all I care.
Now, having said that… This issue has nothing to do with your privacy rights unless you can also tell me it’s your right to kill your own children after they’re born. The truth is becoming more clear to the libs every day that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, not at the point their viable or are born. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH THAT.
Give your children all the contraceptives you want to. I’ll take care of my own and would prefer you stay out of that (Maine…).
Mothers life in danger is a different issue and YOU KNOW THAT. Also VERY rare. Rape is another issue. Rape is wrong and it’s a crime. So why punish the child for that? I could live with some more discussion on the rape issue, but also VERY rare. If you’ll agree abortion is totally wrong unless the moms life is in danger or rape, then we can talk.
By RE
October 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Bin Laden was a fetus at one point.
Just saying.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
mussels and esteem eh?
How about steamed mussels in a white wine and garlic sauce?
/just sayin’
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
I think with this water crisis, it is easy to start pointing fingers from both sides and try to lay blame, but this argument of who gets what water has been going on for about 20 years (or maybe longer). It’s just reached a crisis point now because of the drought and irresponsible management of the water.
It’s easy to blame the greedy developers, but development is needed for economic growth, but that growth obviously needs to be managed better, and it’s up to individual communities to do that.
I hate to see new subdivisions going up everywhere with their eco-friendly names, and older established neighborhoods turned into ghettos.
By John in Tampa, Fla
October 25, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
When I have over 50 men, women and children carrying signs, shoving me and screaming at me while espousing their pro-life rhetoric, what am I supposed to associate them with.
These people did not come across as nut jobs, they came across as over zealous protesters trying to ram their opinion down the throats of anyone who crossed their paths.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
RW
We have agreement.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I guess my 1:56 was to complex for you. I’ll simplify it next time.
By RE
October 25, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
hmmm, steamed mussels in white wine garlic sauce.
I don’t miss much about atlanta, but I do miss atkins park in smyrna. Great mussels
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
John in Tampa Fl,
Right. Their nut jobs. Most people who believe in pro life don’t do that John. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you. You should be mature enough to know that.
I and most of the people in my life are pro life, but we don’t go to clinics acting like fools. We go to voting booths and exercise our political power. Lunacy is demonstrated in every political spectrum, whether its picketing outside an abortion clinic(extreme right wing) or bombing a veternarian’s office(extreme left wing).
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
CAUTION — Cheney going hunting this weekend. The Poughkeepsie Journal in New York reports that “Vice President Dick Cheney is coming to Dutchess County again to go hunting.” On Monday, Cheney is “expected to leave Poughkeepsie and head to the Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club.”
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
{{The truth is becoming more clear to the libs every day that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION,}}
“The truth”, Ribbit???
Please share with everyone here where it’s stated as “truth” that life begins at conception??? Where are those words even in the Bible that is so precious to your agenda???
Freakin’ nut-job.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
No Retroactive Immunity
Thank goodness for the left wing blogs.
By Cataclysm
October 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
Its nice to see that you’ve decided to crawl out from behind your useless news posts. Now we’ll really find out just how big of an idiot you really are.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
RW,
To clarify, if a person killed a near or full-term baby, in utero, that person would be arrested for murder — like Scott Peterson. How they make that determination of fetuscide, or not, I’m not sure, but it probably does have something to do with how far along the mother is.
RB,
You really don’t like it when people disagree with you, do you? So, do you only talk to people who agree with you? That’s boring.
Apocalypse,
You’re right - I misunderstood! But the statement is still ludicrous.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
{{{{By RE October 25, 2007 2:05 PM Andy, Bin Laden was a fetus at one point.}}}}
RE: I didn’t suspect I’d see you back so soon after the thrashing that administered upon you yesterday, but here you are, ready for more.
I admire your tenacity.
So what are you suggesting now, that we kill all of the babies so that no new Has Bin Laden’s appear on this Earth?
That’s rather counter productive, don’t you think?
I got a better idea, why don’t we make war on the regime of some Islamic madman that tortures and murders his innocent countrymen, get al Qaeda to come there to fight us and then slaughter them wholesale, totally humiliating them before the whole world?
Oh, I forgot, we already did that.
Nevermind.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Aren’t the right-wingnuts from Gwinnett just classic textbook studies of religious dementia posing as political mouthpieces for the Repugs???
Amazing.
By In summation
October 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
””“”I hate to see new subdivisions going up everywhere with their eco-friendly names, and older established neighborhoods turned into ghettos.”“”“
No room for the upwardly mobile and no place for ghetto dwellers in borsch’s small world???????
Private property rights entitle ghettos to be ghettos or does the all-knowing borsch have a fascist government solution?
Homeowners associations? What if the homeowners refuse to participate? Does the fascist borsch force them to?
By mm
October 25, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
You wingnuts need to be consistent.
You are oh so concerned that a fetus might die before being born because of an abortion.
But once the baby is born, you don’t care if the baby starves to death or dies from desease if the mother or family is poor.
So if the mother or family is poor, they shouldn’t get pregnant. Right? So instead of the ridiculously stupid idea of teaching abstinence, provide free birth control.
The human sex drive is an urge just like hunger and thirst. You don’t just suppress it by teaching abstinence.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse,
Next time, give me time to respond, some of us have things to do.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Make no mistake, these nut jobs blow up clinics and police on this issue.
They are dangerous nut jobs and should be in Gitmo.
The death threats they spew are everyday now.
They should be labeled terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
OK then as a legal matter that’s true when an outside party, like Scott Peterson, kills the fetus a day before birth (or some earlier time) but it isn’t the case for the mother. She can kill the baby with impunity as long as a doctor goes along with some very nondescript “health of the mother” issue. Depression has even been used.
There was one case not long ago where a couple decided to get rid of a child in the last trimester by him hitting her with a baseball bat. He was charged, but she wasn’t because it was a woman’s right to choose.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Just imagine the depth of ignorance involved with a statement like this:
{{{{By mm October 25, 2007 2:38 PM But once the baby is born, you don’t care if the baby starves to death or dies from desease if the mother or family is poor.}}}}
Yes, mm, us Conservatives like to roast little babies over an open spit, especially while they’re still alive.
It keeps the juices fresh.
God almighty, how much of an idiot can one be and still remember to breathe in and out?
mm, can you help us with that?
By RE
October 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Thrashing?
Kid, you have no clue as to how the economy works. Keep believing whatever you want. Your ignorance is not my problem.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Oh, and Freakin’ Nut-Job— rapes happen every day, but maybe that’s not often enough for you to consider it being anything but “RARE”… even women who are married get raped by their abusive husbands and you’d rather not have any protections for them either, I suppose? You ask why punish the “child” of rape, but you don’t even bother to think about how punishing it may to TO THE WOMAN WHO’S BEEN RAPED.
You and your mindset are one of the reasons that you Repugs are having to “get back to basics” and “rebuild the Party”, because you’ve lost your freakin’ minds and America’s very tired of you!!!
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I think the blog is moving slow today. My point was to emphasize the lunacy in your logic: Asking does a woman’s choice to have sex mean does she have to ask for permission.
That type of irrevocable stupidity is the reason why you guys lost the last two, count them:two, elections.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
{{There was one case not long ago where a couple decided to get rid of a child in the last trimester by him hitting her with a baseball bat. He was charged, but she wasn’t because it was a woman’s right to choose.}}
I’m sure RW has the links to post for this “case” and it won’t be from some right-wingnut blogging site???
By RE
October 25, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
SO, no response from the prolife crowd so far.
If you want to see fewer abortions, why is there no push for more access and information to contraception.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
Having the baby isn’t punishment, the rape is. Abortion cannot undo what some sick pervert does to a woman and its not the baby’s fault you witch!
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
In summation,
How you got all that out of that statement I will never know.
Yes, private property rights do have that right, I just hate to see it happen.
If people want to move into those subdivisions, fine, if people don’t care that their neighborhood is a ghetto, fine.
I think irresponsible development is contributing to our water crisis and that new building should be limited to ensure that the necessary sustainable resources are available to keep the already existing parts of a community functioning.
Um, what was the last one? Homeowners’ associations? Don’t know so much about those, never been in one. If a person moves into a place where there is a homeowner’s association, are they required to join when they buy the house? I don’t know. Are some more leanient (?sp)?
I would never move into a neighborhood voluntarily where there was a homeowner’s association.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
RE,
I’ll answer your question: Because the number of pregnancies in America aren’t as a result of a lack of information. These people who are having sex out here know all about contraceptions, they just don’t use them. We must attack the situation at the level of what’s causing it: Lack of adequate parenting skills and an increasingly perverse society.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
I was going to stay out of this off-topic abortion discussion until I read this gem:
{{{By Goldie October 25, 2007 2:30 PM
Please share with everyone here where it’s stated as “truth” that life begins at conception???}}}
Tell ya what GoldieDimster - why don’t you tell us when life begins!!
By mm
October 25, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Duh,
We’ve come expect your smart @ss rhetoric instead of healthy debate.
You’ve stated many times (on a daily basis) that you don’t want your tax money to be used to help anyone who can’t take care of themselves.
Was my post too complicated for your 3rd grade education?
YOU are the idiot.
How do you keep getting out of your padded cell? Do they hang the key next to the cell like the Andy Griffith show?
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse,
I said I misunderstood, move along.
RW,
@2:48 - well, I don’t agree with those either. In my opinion, that’s wrong, and the doctor should be prosecuted right along with the mother.
I just happen to think those instances, while horrifying and completely tragic, are rare, and used and exploited by the right wingers to try and have abortion outlawed altogether, which I think would be a horrible mistake.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
{{Abortion cannot undo what some sick pervert does to a woman and its not the baby’s fault you witch!}}
So just go on and keep punishing the women for being raped to begin with — it’s obviously the government’s decision to make after a woman’s been raped, yes???
You picked a very appropriate blogging name for yourself, Apocalypse… thank God you’re not in charge of making any laws in America!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
RE,
Perhaps you’ve gotten no response because your premise is ludicrous.
They’re giving the pill to 11 year olds in Maine or Vermont or somewhere up there. I’m pretty sure when you’ve taken to giving out the pill like that there is no shortage of contraception or knowledge available in the country.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
{{Tell ya what GoldieDimster - why don’t you tell us when life begins!!}}
Donut — I’m not the one who came here posting “the truth” like some of your religious freak pals…
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
WASHINGTON (CNN) — House Republicans are fuming over Democrats’ decision to hold the next vote on the State Children’s Health Insurance Program on Thursday — when many Republicans will be in California as President Bush tours areas hit by wildfires.
The Dems are using some sneaky tactics! Far out!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
Goldielox,
Here you go
Why do you fools continue to doubt me?
By RE
October 25, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
“We must attack the situation at the level of what’s causing it: Lack of adequate parenting skills and an increasingly perverse society”
And how does that happen? By outlawing abortion? It does nothing for parenting skills. and are you trying to change a perverse society. How would you do that, gov’t censorship of the things you find objectionable?
To me it sounds like you have a legitimate held belief about when life begins and the morality of abortion. But it also seems like you never really thought about the ways that abortion might be effectively reduced. You act based upon morality while ignoring reality, and in the end just rant and bluster but make no progress.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
Since when is a woman having a baby punishment? Why don’t every woman on earth not have a baby from this day forth, will that suit you?
The only time I endorse abortion is to protect the life of the woman. But to kill an unborn child because he/she was conceived by an animal? Do you know how many successful people who contributed to the greatness of society that was born from rape?
You and your whole twisted reality distortions make me sick!
By rushncap
October 25, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
I think a lot of right-wing anti-abortion rhetoric comes down to: “you young slut committed a sin and now you will pay for it by having this baby as punishment!”. A lot of them treat children as just desserts for sexual immorality.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
RE,
I support abortion only in the event the life of the mother is threatened. Abortion reduction, satisfied.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Golduh October 25, 2007 2:50 PM Oh, and Freakin’ Nut-Job— rapes happen every day, but maybe that’s not often enough for you to consider it being anything but “RARE”… even women who are married get raped by their abusive husbands and you’d rather not have any protections for them either, I suppose? You ask why punish the “child” of rape, but you don’t even bother to think about how punishing it may to TO THE WOMAN WHO’S BEEN RAPED.}}}}
Golduh: Things like this^^ may be commonplace in your world, where woman are treated like stupid pieces of meat that cannot control themselves, but they don’t happen in mine.
~~~~~
{{{{By RE October 25, 2007 2:50 PM Kid, you have no clue as to how the economy works. Keep believing whatever you want. Your ignorance is not my problem.}}}}
RE: I thought we were talking about aborting Has Bin?
I refuse to open that can of worms again, as an act of mercy, I won’t tell anybody about how you advised selling low and buying high.
Haven’t you had enough?
~~~~~~
{{{{By mm October 25, 2007 3:02 PM You’ve stated many times (on a daily basis) that you don’t want your tax money to be used to help anyone who can’t take care of themselves.}}}}
I stated many times that I “give of my own free will,” in addition to what you perverts force me to give, because I belief that you liberals commit massive government fraud with my tax dollars.
Building monuments to your Senator is not “feeding the poor.”
Only an idiot like you would have faith in the failed monstrosity that we have for a “government.”
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
{{Since when is a woman having a baby punishment?}}
Never stated that, Religious Freak—- Every baby who IS WANTED is precious… as a mother, I should know the difference. Do you???
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I probably agree with most of your 3:03, with the exception of the rarity of this procedure. In the case of partial birth abortion one is too many. I just can’t be that cavalier about a babies life.
The problem is neither of us get to decide the law based on our feelings.
An interesting case will be the 107 counts just brought against Planned Parenthood in Kansas.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
rushncap,
What’s your point? That the young slut should commit as many sins as she wants to?
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
{{{I’m not the one who came here posting “the truth” like some of your religious freak pals…}}}
GoldiDhimster,
You ARE the one who called someone who defines life at beginning at conception as a “freaking nut job”, so surely you must have a more intelligent and “saner” answer.
Let’s hear it!
By RE
October 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
ludicrous,
that is a little harsh isn’t it. I don’t think it is ludicrous to ask why, if your goal is to reduce the number of abortions, why the only method persued is a change in law. It seems like the least effective method for reduction. Also, the rates of abortion do not change according to the legality of an abortion procedure, there is more of a correlation with family planning and contraception.
By mm
October 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Some of the idiots that voted to give birth control to the middle schoolers are facing a recall vote.
Middle school is too young for birth control.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
RW— thanks for sharing that very sad story about TEENAGERS who are in a panic about their pregnancy — they probably both come from religious extremist families.
By borsch is an island
October 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
marooned in myspace.
By Apocalypse
October 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
I’m leaving the blog now folks. I think I’m going to perform my liberal duty and kill some children, holler at you tomorrow.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
ITN,
Regarding the unprincipled tactics the Dems plan to use to get SCHIP passed, Bush can still veto the bill if it still tries to insure adults and the like, so it will be a short lived victory.
Celebrate while you can!
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
{{You and your whole twisted reality distortions make me sick!}}
You’re obviously another one of the so-called “compassionate conservatives”, Freakin’ Apocalypse??? Freakin’ Hypocrite Religious Terrorist is YOUR NAME.
By rushncap
October 25, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
No, Apocalypse, that a child is not your god damned punishment. A child is a human being, and deserves to be loved, not hated as a burden, you Fick Suck.
By AmVet
October 25, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
RE, I am somewhat loathe to jump into this abortion “debate”.
Two facts:
Roe v Wade is the law of the land. Like it or not.
Every year since 1973, more Americans than not have consistently supported safe legal abortions. (Perhaps that is irrelevant, but if Roe is overturned, there would almost certainly be a firestorm of protest in this country.)
So I am reminded of the Bumper sticker which reads, “Don’t Like Abortions? Then Don’t Have One.”
Some opinions:
I personally find abortion, especially for reasons of convenience and irresponsibility, very disturbing.
BUT…IMHO, the cure (making them illegal) is worse than the disease.
And I don’t see this as a religious or political problem, but rather a social one.
And one that requires pragmatic answers not dogmatic ones which, as evidenced here, many times revolve around demonizing those that disagree and little else.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
{{You ARE the one who called someone who defines life at beginning at conception}}
No, Freakin’ Donut — not “defines life” — go back and read the post. Your extremist friend started his sentence with “The truth is…” — Ask HIM where he gets his “truth”…
By getalife
October 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
So, cheney nods off on his meds during the wildfires cabinet meeting.
They had to mention Iran started the fires to wake him up.
Geez.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Goldielox,
{{{{Police believe the fetus was aborted in early October, then buried in the back yard of the boyfriend’s home with the help of his mother.}}}}}
They were actually given quite a break that the courts decided the baby wouldn’t have been viable at six months so no manslaughter charges were filed. Somehow I think the baby may have been more viable if it hadn’t been beaten with a bat for two weeks.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
AmVet,
Try to pretend I’m somebody else and explain a couple things to me.
1) How would vacating Roe v. Wade make abortion illegal?
2) If most people want safe legal abortions why on earth shouldn’t it be made legal through the legislative process rather than judicial fiat which only makes the issue more devisive?
By mm
October 25, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
The bill will pass in the house whether the repugs are there or not. So voting when the repugs are in California is not a ploy as someone earlier posted.
The issue is whether the revised bill can withstand another arrogant Bush veto.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
The race hater rides again:
{{{{After a lengthy critique of Bush administration education policies, Joe Biden, democrat, attempted to explain why some schools perform better than others — in Iowa, for instance, compared with the District. “There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” Biden said. He went on to discuss the importance of parental involvement in reading to children and how “half this education gap exists before the kid steps foot in the classroom.”}}}}
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
RE,
I find it interesting that the same people who are pro-life do not think that a woman has the right to ask for welfare if needed for the children she has.
So poor women, if they should get pregnant, should not have abortions because that’s wrong, and should not ask for government hand-outs to help these children. I guess they should just give them all up for adoption?
RW,
You are certainly right, we do not get to change laws based on our emotions, only at the ballot box, and thank God for that.
I thank God every day for my kids. They certainly are precious (except when they give me that smart a$$ adolescent attitude, but I still love them even then).
I love my kids dearly, but everybody’s circumstance is different.
AmVet,
Don’t Like Abortions? Then Don’t Have One.
Amen.
By RE
October 25, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Amvet,
A well reasoned response, thanks.
I am sure people will be calling you a baby killer shortly.
the problem is that politics, in my opinion, runs on dogma. Antiquated stereotypes that have little to do with reality. Pandering soundbites made to focus groups. Both sides do this of course because it works. Half of the country couldn’t care who is in charge, and is pretty uninformed. So they are easily motivated by the soundbites and it sways opinon. And then there is a segment of the population who believes so fervently in the dogma that they will support whichever political group they align with and ignore or explain away actions contrarty to that dogma, think of the fiscally responsible GOP, the one who does not get involved in nation building, belives infamily values, and the primacy of the constitution. to be fair, the dems have their share as well, the party for the enviornment has michigan senators who will not let cafe standards increase, and Biden in delaware had no problem passing a bankruptcy reform law that protects the credit card companies at the expense of the poor folks.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
{{Somehow I think the baby may have been more viable if it hadn’t been beaten with a bat for two weeks.}}
I agree with you, RW. And it’s a sad story for some teenagers to feel like THAT is the answer to their pregnancy problem! After all, he could’ve killed his girlfriend in the process.
By Bosch
October 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
I really hate chatting about abortion even though I seem to have posted my opinion enough, but I’ll check back later to see if the subject has changed.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
GoldieDimandDimmer,
This is the entire post with no editing:
{{{By Goldie
October 25, 2007 2:30 PM | {{The truth is becoming more clear to the libs every day that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION,}}
“The truth”, Ribbit???
Please share with everyone here where it’s stated as “truth” that life begins at conception??? Where are those words even in the Bible that is so precious to your agenda???
Freakin’ nut-job.}}}
That clearly implies that that you believe that life does not begin at conception, or to put it another way, that it is “untrue” that that is the case.
Whether the Bible is or is not the source of this definition is irrelevant. There could be no Bible yet common sense could still tell us that life begins at conception.
Or there could be another answer. That’s where you come in!
By RE
October 25, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I agree with the single moms getting help. Funny how things change, before I had my child, I used to think single moms were leeches on the govt. spending tax money…. etc.
After having the kid and seeing what is involved, I say give them all the help we can to take care of a kid, I have no idea how a single mom with no family or friends around could possibly do it. But maybe give the mom a little birth control to avoid a second kid as well
By mm
October 25, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
Since all of the wingnuts want to blame liberals for the Endangered Species Act, I did a little research.
President Nixon (wingnut) pushed congress for the legislation in 1973.
Congress was made up as follows:
Senate - Dems 56, Rep 42, Con 1, Ind 1
House - Dems 242, Rep 192, Ind 1
4 house members and no senators voted against the ESA. 8 senators and house members failed to vote. It was passed bilaterally.
So quit blaming the libs you losers.
Has it caused alot of problems? You bet. But where would we be without it?
And I do agree that drinking water is more important than a fish or mussel.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
{{There could be no Bible yet common sense could still tell us that life begins at conception.}}
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH… please spare us all— you’re now posting about “common sense”? What has that got to do with opinions about viability?
Never mind — I forgot that I said I’d never engage in your blog-sludge anymore and I’m very sorry to have back-slid again!
Buh-bye! My keyboard is zipped!
By AmVet
October 25, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
In Feb. 2006, South Dakota lawmakers approved the nation’s most far-reaching ban on abortion, setting the stage for new legal challenges that its supporters say they hope lead to an overturning of Roe v. Wade.
The measure, which passed the state Senate 23 to 12, maked it a felony for doctors to perform any abortion, except to save the life of a pregnant woman.
The bill was designed to challenge the Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe, which in 1973 recognized a right of women to terminate pregnancies. Its sponsors want to force a reexamination of the ruling by the court, which now includes two justices appointed by President Bush.
“The momentum for a change in the national policy on abortion is going to come in the not-too-distant future,” said Rep. Roger W. Hunt, a Republican who sponsored the bill.
And though the SD legislators apparently though the US Constitution was a quaint document that could be ignored, in Nov. 2006, the people of SD, via referendum, overturned this thinly veiled attempt to adjudicate from the legislative branch.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
{{{Don’t like abortion, don’t do it!}}}
Bosch,
Extrapolating your theory elsewhere beyond abortion, how would this work do you think?
Don’t like assault and battery? Don’t do it!
Don’t like rape? Don’t do it!
Don’t like murder? Don’t do it!
(M)ega (M)oron,
How is it “arrogant” to veto a bill that would confiscate our money to pay for the health care of adults up to the age of 25, or people who already have private insurance who will now have no reason to keep it since according to Moonbat logic - it’s FREE!!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Don’t you just love this scenario where we have a single Mom with one or more children and no friends or family around. The argument is always about giving them financial help and contraception. I may even agree with that, but do you notice somebody that’s always missing from the scene?
Is there an impregnation fairy sneaking in the window at night?
By Common Sense Calling
October 25, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
BD,
Common Sense may tell you that, but you certainly do not get to decide what is truth for everyone, even though you think so, you are not God.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Goldielox,
What you questioned earlier was about when life begins. Why are you trying to switch it to viability now? It’s been mentioned here before that if you start defining true viability you may have to go into a number of years after birth.
By IN THE NEWS
October 25, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Rice promotes staffers who oversaw Blackwater. As she accepted the resignation of State’s security chief Tuesday in light of the Blackwater scandal, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice “quietly promoted two senior staffers” with oversight over Blackwater — Justine Sincavage, who oversees “all State Department security contracts for Iraq and Afghanistan” and her predecessor, Kevin Barry.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
AmVet @ 4:00,
Was that supposed to be an explanation of how overturning Roe V. Wade would make abortion illegal? If so it was quite lacking since it only affects South Dakota and even there they had a life of the mother exception.
Now carrying this a step further, since you say most people want safe legal abortions what’s the anomaly about South Dakota and why is there something wrong with different states having different laws?
By RE
October 25, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
RW,
Without a doubt, men in this country as a whole have a diminished sense of responsibility. Huge problem, no arguement there.
On viability, I know there are foster parents out there for babies, but I have not heard of any foster uteruses (uteri ?) programs. The baby needs to stay in the mom for at least 20-26 weeks before the kid has a chance at being born.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
{{{By Common Sense Calling
October 25, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
BD,
Common Sense may tell you that, but you certainly do not get to decide what is truth for everyone, even though you think so, you are not God.}}}
CSC,
You do not know what my opinion or belief is about when life begins because I have not expressed it. Ever.
You also have zero evidence that I am “playing God”.
You have no way of knowing whether or not I rely on the Bible or common sense to inform my beliefs or conclusions.
However, Goldie did express an opinion from which we can clearly conclude that she does not believe that life begins at conception.
As such, it is reasonable to conclude that she must have an alternate opinion. Why is it so difficult for her to answer the question?
Perhaps she just spoke recklessly without thinking this through first?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
RE,
No kidding!?!?!?! WOW!?!?!?
Actually there are foster (uteri?) programs for wanted children.
In any case it’s Goldie that wants to make a statement about the beginning of life and when she can’t answer BD’s question she slithers over to the viability terminology. Just trying to pin her down.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
{{{I have not heard of any foster uteruses (uteri ?) programs.}}
RE,
I know this is not what you mean, but isn’t a surrogate mother a foster uterus?
Secondly, “Snowflake babies” are born because of a program of foster embryos.
Just saying…
By RE
October 25, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
You have no way of knowing whether or not I rely on the Bible or common sense to inform my beliefs or conclusions.
well said BD
It is an “either or” question.
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Correction!
This should have read, “You have no way of knowing whether or not I rely on the Bible or common sense——>or a combination of the two <——to inform my beliefs or conclusions.
By tooth fairy
October 25, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
RW,
Yes, there is an Impregnation Fairy, she is my second cousin twice removed and always getting into trouble. You may have heard of something she did a while back, she got this virgin named Mary pregnant and the whole world has never been the same!
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
For the record, I made my correction before I saw RE’s 4:31.
RE,
It is not an “either or” question, so the one time you agree with me we really disagree.
Dang.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Did The White House Miss A Chance To Catch OBL Again?
Even fixed news say this is pathetic.
Geez.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
tooth fairy,
Your second cousin sure gets around, at least when it comes time for the left to pull on our heartstrings while they’re picking our pockets.
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
RW— I have not made “a statement” about the beginning of life. Just like the Donut-Freak, you’re having problems following along again.
Please do try to pay attention: I was asking your religious freak friend the source of “The truth” — that’s the words he used in his post @ 2:05PM.
And he’s probably a believer of the other Freak who posted these words about “choice”: {{The only “choice” we should be discussing here is her “choice” to have sex or not.}}
Some fine friends you’ve got here, hmmmm RWanker???
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
{{For the record, I made my correction before I saw RE’s 4:31.}}
LIKE ANYONE CARES ABOUT YOUR CORRECTIONS.
By God
October 25, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
God calling here. I’ve been meaning to talk to you about this, but you do try and act like me, quite a bit actually, and it is beginning to p** me off.
I know you certainly do not use common sense to form your beliefs, that is quite obvious, so it must be the Bible, and I commend you for that.
But in order to stop acting like me, you must stop (and I’m almost insisting here) telling people what is right. I’m the only one who gets to determine what is right.
Goldie did not express an opinion regarding whether or not life begins at conception, only I know the answer to that question, and I will never tell. She was merely doing my work and calling attention to the idiot RB’s wreckless attempt at trying to define the truth, which no one can do except for ME! Got it?
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Hold on everyone! I want to make sure I understand Buy Danish completely. First, she said that nobody can know her intrinsic epistemological worth. Then she corrected herself. What she really meant is that her deductive reasoning techniques are neither quantifiable nor should they be inferred. Well! Someone must be having a bad hair day, if you ask me.
bwa
By tooth fairy
October 25, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
RW,
Yeah, she’s a wh0re too.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
Americans too often teach their children to despise those who hold unpopular opinions. We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in aversion and contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so here in our democracy we are cheering a thing which of all things is most foreign to it and out of place - the delivery of our political conscience into somebody else’s keeping. This is patriotism on the Russian plan. — Mark Twain
By @@
October 25, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
My frustration with the abortion issue is that it never addresses the impact it has had on those children that ARE alive and ARE listening.
Pro-life advocates send the message that children’s lives should be valued.
Pro-choice advocates send the message that children can be an “emotional” burden and there’s a solution…JUST DISPOSE OF THEM.
Which message gives a child their sense of worth, not only for themselves but for the value of others lives…
and we wonder why our youth has become so violent and will snuff a life just because they can.
IHB
By RB from Gwinnett
October 25, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Bosch, mm, and Goldie, At what point do people in your world become responsible for themselves and their choices vs. the rest of us always being told we’re mean for not wanting to continue to pay for their poor decisions. We’re sick of it. Do you not realize you are enabling bad decisions by never expecting people to be responsible for the consequences of their own actions? Try just letting your kids do whatever they want and never telling them “NO” and see what happens.
If you want to provide free birth control, DO THAT!! FREAKING DO IT!!! But stop extorting money from me to pay for it. Pay for it your dam self.
If you really think a lack of information about birth control being available has anything to do with this problem, you are an idiot.
People do get raped. We know that, but pregnancies as a result of rape is a different issue. I don’t know the frequency of them, but based on intelligent thinking, I can’t think it’s very high. You make it sound like most of the people running down to the clinic have been raped. Not the case, sweetie. You’re not kidding anyone but yourself with that lie.
I’d still like to know EXACTLY when you think life begins. You libs used to hide behind the “when the fetus can survive outside the womb” excuse, but since that limit keeps dropping, your target number keeps changing. So has the ACTUAL beginning of life changed, or just your definition? The ACTUAL number NEVER changes and never has. If you’re intellectualy honest, you know that.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Goldielox,
When someone says something is true and you say it isn’t you’ve made a statement. When you decided I was lying about the baseball bat abortion details I provided you the information you requested. So tell us Goldie, when do you believe life begins?
tooth fairy,
The Impregnation Fairy is a she? She’s not that skank that wrote Are Men Necessary is she?
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Senator Biden, tell us what you think of your voters, the ones that give you 80% majorities every year, even though you can’t stand them, but luckily, do find one of them clean and articulate:
{{{{Joe Biden, democrat, attempted to explain why some schools perform better than others — in Iowa, for instance, compared with the District. “There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington?}}}}
Geezus, this guy can’t keep the racism under wraps, imagine what him and Swimmer Kennedy talk about at night when they’re drunk.
Yeesh.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Just Kidding, Buy Danish, you rock. I shouldn’t tease other bloggers, it’s a bad habit. I mean who am I to tease anyone? It goes back to my childhood, I think, because strange things happened to me. When I was four my mother found crude drawings under my bed which were later confirmed to be the first documented primitive choreography of a Chinese Fire Drill. At six I was disqualified from the blue ribbon at a 4-H club livestock contest when it was discovered myprize pig was actually a actual-scale origami model of a hogzilla.
So I am sorry, Buy Danish, I simply dont know no better.
By Dusty
October 25, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
getalife@4:37
You asked,”Did the WHITE HOUSE miss a chance to catch OBL again??” I don’t know.
Was OBL playing on the White House lawn, throwing sticks for the dog, watching the clouds roll by and nobody noticed? Was he looking for the medals that Kerry threw over the fence? Was he looking for the White House articles that disappeared with the Clintons? Was he looking for the “internet” that Gore invented?
Please, getalife, tell us what OBL was “up to” when he was hanging around the White House and NOBODY noticed!! Come on. The White House might “miss another chance to catch OBL”. Now you wouldn’t want that, would you? And OBL without a security pass!!!!
I thank you, getalife, for your constant surveillance and care. Your support of the “White House” shows how much you really care about this country.
By Screwed?
October 25, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
More than 350 participating Planned Parenthood health centers nationwide — run by more than 50 Planned Parenthood affiliates serving 34 states — will provide —————->free<—————- emergency —————>contraception<——————- in their communities.
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Goldie
October 25, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
RWanker @ 5:10 — I never said “is not true”. I asked for the source of his “truth” — I am not one who comes here and posts “The truth is” and then proceed to put my own personal beliefs after those 3 words! Here’s what I asked of your wingnut loony friend, because you’re obviously too lazy to go back and look at my words:
{{Please share with everyone here where it’s stated as “truth” that life begins at conception??? Where are those words even in the Bible that is so precious to your agenda???}}
So why don’t you help your extremist friend out, with all of your “sources” and links, and tell us where “The truth” is told to us regarding the beginning of life…
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
There was a black man arguing for string theory on PBS last night. He was the smartest man I’ve ever heard. He said that our concept of the atom is obsolete, and should not be taught. He said that the concept of bosons and fermions, which are the structural underpinnings of the atom, should be introduced in elementary school.
If not, he said, we’re finished. So how am I supposed to be a racist, when there’s a black man talking so far over my head?
I’ve yet to meet the black man that I’m any better than..
Racism still exists, the only real change is that it’s become politically incorrect to be a racist.
Otherwise, I think we still live in 1850.
By for some
October 25, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
when does life begin?
Tuesdays when the government check rolls in.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
As the other poster said, life begins at conception. Always has, always will.
Now tell us when you BELIEVE life begins.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
dusty,
Your right, like he great American spy Valerie Plame Wilson said, “he is not a man of his word.”
Wanted dead or alive and his bullhorn bs was just bs.
Amnesty for obl is what you cheer on loser.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
Good one, for some!
The question is, “When does death begin”? Death begins at crucifixion. Life begins on Easter Sunday, on the third day. You know, it’s actually the second day, because it matters when you start counting, okay, friday to saturday is one day, and the saturday to sunday is two days, so actually, monday is the third day, and we should definitely celebrate Easter on Monday. (or did everyone already know that and I’m being a moron?)
If so, nevermind.
Life begins in the womb, I think that’s undeniable. Conception. That’s a tough one, because when is the exact moment of conception? Is it when the two cheerleaders meet the quarterback underneath the bleachers after the game and start drinking beer?
How about when they get naked, is that the moment? Or is it when they act out the finale to “Caligula”?
I dont know. Just know I need to study this whole problem a lot more.
bwa
By mm
October 25, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
Buy Dipsh*t,
You really should stop lying.
Democratic leaders said the new version addresses Republican objections by tightening restrictions on illegal immigrants receiving SCHIP benefits; capping the income levels of families that qualify for the program; and preventing adults from receiving benefits
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife October 25, 2007 5:44 PM Your right, like he great American spy Valerie Plame Wilson said, “he is not a man of his word.”}}}}
Oh, good, it’s Valerie Plame Quotes time, my favorite part of the evening:
{{{{When this e-mail (the email she lied to the grand jury about) came to light, in a Senate Intelligence Committee report, the high-strung Mr. Wilson once again launched into a temper tantrum. “Midway through the silent meal, Joe abruptly got up, dumped his unfinished plate in the sink, and left the room in a wordless rage… . Despite my best efforts to explain the innocence of the e-mail, Joe was too upset to listen. He just glared at me.”}}}}
{{{{Mr. Wilson comes out badly according to his wife’s account: invariably abusing her, storming off, or on the verge of tears, and when the White House concedes that the yellowcake mention was wrong, he does not accept victory graciously but needs to hurl himself angrily onto the national stage to draw the apology to everyone’s notice. While Ms. Plame is left home in Washington looking after 7-year-old twins, anxious and exposed, her job in jeopardy, he is gallivanting around America talking to conspiracy theorists and peaceniks in community colleges.}}}}
And they lived happily ever after!
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Hillary 08
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
(m)ental (m)idget,
When an article starts by saying {{{Democratic leaders said…}}} it should be a dead giveaway that trickeration and skullduggery is taking place.
By @@
October 25, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
I pulled this post from a Washington Monthly comment section:
(((In any case, I’m with Lamott. I don’t think nonviable fetuses are human beings. Terminating them doesn’t bother me, and it’s none of my business anyway. For all I care, women are free to use abortion as their standard method of birth control if they want to. Nor do I really care much if we reduce the abortion rate in America. Safe and legal is good enough for me. I don’t think abortion is a morally ambiguous issue, I don’t think getting one should be an emotionally traumatic experience, and no, speaking as a husband, I don’t think husbands should have any legal say in the matter.)))
That ^^^ is a progressive Christian’s opinion and he was applauded by the other posters.
WOW!
The guy said he was proud of it.
How can anyone be proud in supporting that?
Shi-i-ivers!!!!!
By Buy Danish
October 25, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
(M)ega (M)oron,
I was referring to the original bill which Bush “arrogantly” vetoed.
I don’t know what Bush plans to do with this version, and I don’t have time to examine it in detail right now (and I certainly will not rely on the Dems assessment of it) but whether he signs it or vetoes it it won’t be out of “arrogance”.
Good night. Gotta run.
By GodHatesTrash
October 25, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Sonny Perdoofus’s solution is too little too late.
Not very many Georgians take showers, just the damn Yankees.
And we’re leaving.
By Jen
October 25, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
Our Governor said our dirty cars and dried up lawns should be worn like a badge of courage. I will wear mine as evidence that our political leaders have let us down by not studying and preparing for such a crisis. We need leaders with vision and action.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
What lovely people these terrorists are, now resorting to cannibalism:
{{{{The recording aired Monday contained unusually strong criticism of insurgents in Iraq from bin Laden, who urges them to admit mistakes and unify.}}}}
{{{{“Al-Jazeera directors have shamefully chosen to back the Crusaders’ side, and the defenders of hypocrites and the thugs and traitors of Iraq,” Al-Fajr said in a statement posted on several Islamic Web sites.}}}}
{{{{Another Web contributor even rattled off a five-stanza poem of rhymed couplets, comparing the station to a “miserable fly in the garbage” and concluding, “Your day will come, vile one. As long as we live, you won’t be safe, Jazeera.”}}}}
And the pinkos just want to be their friends.
By getalife
October 25, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this
Just saw her on CNN duh.
She said she misses her job and loved her service for her country.
What a great American and the treason by your ilk is disgusting.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
The problem with the Plame Affair, (God I love that phrase), is that the White House admits it outted an undercover CIA agent and exposed dozens to firing squads in Iran, where Plame was working.
People must simply be afraid to speak up, just like in the thirties under the Nazis. Bush really is Hitler. I just realized it. Bush is exactly like der Heetler, and Laura is like der Teetler. Exactly in every way.
No differences. none. it’s uncanny that history repeats itself seventy years later. That means that WW3 starts in Sept, 2009.
Hey, I just realized that I’m just like Nostradumbass. No diffs. Exactly the same in everyway!!!
wow
By GodHatesTrash
October 25, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this
Speaking of flies in the garbage, regards to you and your mom, Andi/e-duh.
Trash.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
The English Language Al Jezeera just reported that Osama Bin Laden will star in a reality show called, “So you think you can 911?”, where he judges suicide attack plans from a panel of contestants selected at random from survivors of the surge.
The first show is already in the can, which unfortunately exploded when CNN tried to open it. But more episodes are planned, and it’s been picked up by the Taliban Network.
By Luckoduh
October 25, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
Trash?
I believe that is what Has Bin Laden is now calling Al Qaeda.
Karma, isn’t it?
By rushncap
October 25, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
RW, there are enough people who believe that life does NOT begin at conception. You have no right to define that for them. If it is your personal opinion, fine. But you cannot enact laws which enforce it upon others, any more than I can enact laws enforcing my opinion of when life begins upon you. End of story.
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
Bush’s poll numbers soar everytime he plays rough with Iran. This is like when Julius Caesar started a military campaign to get ratings and a power base in Rome.
Bush may act the bully, goaded and incited by approval ratings, and get us into a war we cant win in Iran just to salvage the remnants of his presidency.
Like at a playground where the bully’s friends say, “Tell him, get him, teach him a lesson”, and the bully then escalates his hostility toward the target on the playground.
Bush may just stumble into another war, another catastrophe. A war only a lunatic wants and only fool would start.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
Fertilization: If sperm does meet and penetrate a mature egg after ovulation, it will fertilize it. When the sperm penetrates the egg, changes occur in the protein coating around it to prevent other sperm from entering. At the moment of fertilization, your baby’s genetic make-up is complete, including its sex. Since the mother can provide only X chromosomes (she’s XX), if a Y sperm fertilizes the egg, your baby will be a boy (XY); if an X sperm fertilizes the egg, your baby will be a girl (XX).
I thought you were a scientist, rushncap??
By @@
October 25, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this
This is interesting…it seems as though Ahmadenijad asked Putin if he might know how Israel was able to attack Syria on Sept. 6th.
(((That Israeli air force (IAF) raid against Syria remains opaque. In the weeks since it occurred, however, it has become fairly clear that the IAF used a new electronic means to blind Syrian radars, perhaps from as far away as the Mediterranean Sea. Electronic warfare, especially when it comes to the suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD), is nothing new. But most SEAD involves overt jamming that makes it clear that an attack is underway. Recently, it seems both Israel and the United States have been working on more subtle means of electronic deception — to make the radar unaware that it is being blinded.)))
(((This compounds Syria’s problem. On top of the already decrepit state of its air defenses, Damascus has no means to compete with Israel in the electronic spectrum. The events of Sept. 6 are similarly troubling to Tehran.)))
Good…good…very good!
Iran is troubled, yes indeed.
By rushncrap
October 25, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
RW, there are enough people who believe that rape does NOT need consent. You have no right to define that for them. If it is your personal opinion, fine. But you cannot enact laws which enforce it upon others, any more than I can enact laws enforcing my opinion of when life begins upon you. End of story.
Duh.
rushncrap: This discussion involves real women, the blow up doll debate starts at seven.
Aren’t you here a bit early tonite?
By Analchord
October 25, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Hillary 08
Change + Experience
Hillary 08
We’ve got a country to save, and a world to convince.
By Jesus
October 25, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By rushncap
October 25, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
RW — did you just learn that? Good for you. It’s irrelevant, but I’m glad you’re now up on your birds and bees.
By AmVet
October 25, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this
{Was that supposed to be an explanation of how overturning Roe V. Wade would make abortion illegal?}
No RW,it was not.
I truly hope that you will someday choose to refrain from being baited by the angry leftists here. And by that I mean, that you will be able to argue your well thought out positions without replying in kind to the name calling or excessive rhetoric, though you are undeniably constantly provoked.
I think it is the only real answer. But then you already know that in many ways I’m an idealist.
We’re all in this together, and the fact that we vehemently disagree is NOT a bad thing. It is IMHO someways the very best aspect of us, that we Americans act like one gigantic dysfunctional family yet succeed so.
IF you can do this, there are many things we can teach each other.
And isn’t that why we are really here?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this
How very patronizing of you AmVEt and you even managed to go through that after never once attempting to answer the two serious questions I laid out for you in an attempt to have a civil discussion.
Here’s a newsflash for you. We aren’t sitting on a panel discussion. A blog like this will always have a little fire and ice, and I quite enjoy engaging in both, often talking on several other blogs at the same time.
Your and others concern for my state of mind is extremely misguided as I’m perfectly capable of carrying on multiple conversations with varying degrees of seriousness, venom, or playful jousting simultaneously.
Now perhaps if you’ll learn that it’s not all your way or nothing you’ll also gain the ability to debate, have fun, and learn your surroundings. The luckovich blog is a zoo that you aren’t going to change with haughtiness. When in Rome as it were.
I would be interested in your answers from earlier and I’d be even more interested in whether you have the stones to name those that you’ve accused of being hard leftist bomb throwers. What you did was take the chickens way out in that you indicted everyone on the left and no one at the same time.