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Osama

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 09:11 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this

Borat OSAMA and HITLERY Clinton? The shoe fits and they both wear it well. Borat Osama, as a child in Indonesia, was enrolled by his father in extremist islamic schools. Hitlery Clinton is a hard-core European-style socialist femmenazi borderline-facist who wants to impose her personal will and views in the style of a totalitarian nanny state while using “political correctness”, mind control and fear of political persecution to keep a firm iron-fisted grip on the American people.
OSAMA, HITLERY and Slick Willie the Serial Rapist, a torrid, demonic political three-way made in hell that couldn’t have been better assembled by the devil himself. The dark armies of the RUTHLESS and TYRANNICAL HITLERY CLINTON and those EVIL DEMOCRATS will be soundly defeated on Election Day 2008 and America will be spared and saved from the ATHEIST COMMUNIST AGENDA.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 7:52 AM | Link to this

“Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling “reveals” one of the book’s key characters to be gay while flunkie comedian Kathy Griffin almost literally denies the existance of God and tells “Jesus to suck on it” during an award-show acceptance speech and receives a rousing round of applause for her blasphemous anti-Christian remarks from a secularist (atheist) Hollyweird audience. These two instances of blatant in-your-face disrespect of traditional American Christian values just proves that these liberal deviants are out to shove their pervasive hedonistic homosexual atheist agenda down the throats of Americans (pun intended). Just a preview of what’s to come during a possible HITLERY Clinton administration.
Looks like these sicko liberal puppies need to neutered.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

FOX NEWS mis-labels Chafee as a Democr

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Well, well, look at the Chimpy McBushHitler crowd whine.

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{{{{The state’s employee retirement system is facing a potential $16 billion shortfall in coming years as baby boomers continue to retire and may have to scale back the program for future state employees, the program’s director told lawmakers Tuesday.}}}}

“Welcome to retirement, here’s the first payment on the $13,000 per year bonanza, uh, I’m sorry, I meant $12,000 a year largesse, er, no, $11,000…..

Duh.

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{{{{BAGHDAD (AP) — October is on course to record the second consecutive decline in U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths and Americans commanders say they know why: the U.S. troop increase and an Iraqi groundswell against al-Qaida and Shiite militia extremists. “People are fed up with fear, intimidation and being brutalized. Once they hit that tipping point, they’re fed up, they come to realized we truly do provide them better hope for the future. What we’re seeing now is the beginning of a snowball,” said Keaveny, whose forces operate out of Forward Operating Base Kalsu, about 35 miles south of Baghdad. “They have to be convinced that we’re not leaving. That’s the issue. If they were to think we’re leaving we’d have also sorts of trouble,” Lynch said, clambering over a makeshift earthen bridge across the canal.}}}}

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{{{{President Roh Moo-hyun called yesterday for a one-year extension of South Korean troop deployments in Iraq, saying that closer relations with Washington were vital to his nation’s security. “Cooperation from the U.S. is essential to the security of Northeast Asia and the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula,” Mr. Roh said.}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Fox apologizes again for Jefferson/Conyers error.

By Shawny

October 24, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Here is a good one about the Clinton propaganda machine.

quite manipulative.

By jacksonwolff

October 24, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

“By Compassionate Liberalism(AKA Luckoduh)

October 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

You got to be kidding me:

{{{{By jacksonwolff October 23, 2007 5:00 PM LD I’m not defending what was said, only a persons right to say it. I have never asked for anyones post (regardless of how rediculous or vile I thought it was) to be taken down. Freedom of speach means the you would stand there and let someone advocate that which would make your blood boil and would spend a lifetime fighting against, and realize that while you may not agree with them, you recognize that they have a right to say it.}}}}

So the next black person I see I the street, I can call them whatever I want, right, according to you?

How is this blog any different?

Are you a big brave racist free speecher with a pointy white cap and hood riding round the digital neighborhood?

Lighting up them crosses?

You liberals are all f’ed up, I mean really.”

Question:

Do you realy want to go back to the days when you are fined of arrested for voicing an unpopular opinion?

If so, do you know what that makes us? FRANCE.

you say things that offend people all the time. would you like your voice stifled? Neither would I

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Another terrorist attack on American soil is all but guaranteed if HITLERY, OSAMA or another “Brand-X” type Democrat (“Brand-XXX” in Bill Clinton’s case) is elected President in 2008. As a whole, the Democrat Party has nothing but hate and contempt for the U.S. Armed Forces and will do whatever is in their power to blunt diminish their effectiveness, readiness and value.
Liberals hate the U.S. Military and want nothing more than to hang the nation and its soldiers out to dry.

A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong IL, a posthumous Saddam Hussein, an Islamafacist regime with nuclear missles in Pakistan and other tyrants of their ilk.

SUPPORT AL-QADEA, Vote Democrat in 2008!!!!

By reebok

October 24, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

What do you expect, ML…? After they’ve failed to find Osama bin Laden, failed to fix health care, failed to secure the borders against illegal immigration, failed in Iraq, ignored global warming, gutted the military and run up the biggest budget deficits in history, all that’s left to the Grand Old Party is name-calling…a few dead-enders still huddling around Fox News and Rush the Drug Addict. The sight of a bunch of old white guys (i.e., the Republican candidates) gang up on a woman is accomplishing something I never thought possible…it’s making Senator Hillary Clinton look positively presidential by comparison.

By Can't Resist

October 24, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Top Ten Tuesdays: How are we reaching out to religious voters?

10) Through hole in bathroom stall.

9) Tying story of loaves and fishes to campaign contributions.

8) Going ix nay on the Mormon-ay.

7) Offering to retroactively stone Bill Clinton.

6) Calling for the revival of the Crusades.

5) Revealing “Church” and “State” tattoos on each buttock.

4) Letting Fox News crucify our opponents.

3) Outlining national Manishevitz/Blood-of-Christ exchange pogrom program.

2) Swearing that sanctity of remarriage will not be sullied by gay unions.

1) Promising The Rapture by 2008 or your money back!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 24, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

Dang ATL, you sent your rain down here.

By Red Forman

October 24, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

Can’t Resist, that was excellent!

By Goldie

October 24, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Great caricature of Obama in the toon, Lucko — and the Repugs only have the name-calling as their political game in ‘08 because they certainly cannot afford to discuss the real issues facing America.

The Dems Are Gonna Love ‘08!

By jacksonwolff

October 24, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

“By Compassionate Liberalism(AKA Luckoduh)

October 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

You got to be kidding me:

{{{{By jacksonwolff October 23, 2007 5:00 PM LD I’m not defending what was said, only a persons right to say it. I have never asked for anyones post (regardless of how rediculous or vile I thought it was) to be taken down. Freedom of speach means the you would stand there and let someone advocate that which would make your blood boil and would spend a lifetime fighting against, and realize that while you may not agree with them, you recognize that they have a right to say it.}}}}

So the next black person I see I the street, I can call them whatever I want, right, according to you?

How is this blog any different?

Are you a big brave racist free speecher with a pointy white cap and hood riding round the digital neighborhood?

Lighting up them crosses?

You liberals are all f’ed up, I mean really.”

Question:

Do you realy want to go back to the days when you are fined of arrested for voicing an unpopular opinion?

If so, do you know what that makes us? FRANCE.

you say things that offend people all the time. would you like your voice stifled? Neither would I

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

By jacksonwolff October 24, 2007 8:14 AM

Isn’t that EXACTLY what the “fairness” doctrine is doing; stifling opinion contrary to the democratic party under the threat of fines and imprisonment?

If you really explore the direction the Dems want to take us with all their socialist programs, it is FRANCE. And yet the rank and file are too short sighted to see it.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

By jacksonwolff October 24, 2007 8:14 AM

Isn’t that EXACTLY what the “fairness” doctrine is doing; stifling opinion contrary to the democratic party under the threat of fines and imprisonment?

If you really explore the direction the Dems want to take us with all their socialist programs, it is FRANCE. And yet the rank and file are too short sighted to see it.

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Cant resist, that was very funny. Who is this guy? Somebody new? This is what we need: riffers. He obviously made it all up this morning. Great. Finally.

Welcome, sir. You have no idea how badly you and anyone else who wants to have a little fun on Luckovich’s cartoon blog are needed.

Bravo on the top ten genre, a very popular and fertile genre. You rocked the house.

Fresh air! Hooray!!!

By Can't Resist

October 24, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Top Ten Tuesdays: Why did we become conservatives?

10) Desired socially acceptable outlet for hating minorities.

9) Envisioned self as more of an armchair general than a foot soldier.

8) Learned the power of the capitalism after parents made us find a free-market solution to potty training.

7) Wanted the thrills of gay sex without the spills of being “gay.”

6) Saw first-hand the dangers of illegal immigration after being raised by Salvadoran nanny who didn’t let us get our way.

5) Enjoyed the ease of answering all of life’s tough questions with “God’s will.”

4) Tended to shout rather than talk.

3) Launched crusade against high school girls being easy after getting turned down by the easy girls in high school.

2) Felt that Locke’s social contract entitles all men to seek their fortunes in a free and unfettered fashion…okay, we just wanted to lower taxes enough to get a gold bidet for the yacht.

1) Forced to have childhood lobotomy due to lack of mental health coverage.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Want to trap a moonbat during hunting season? Just leave a serving of WHINE and LIMBURGER CHEESE and two plane tickets to anywhere in France. Never fails to bring the moonbats out of the woodwork every time.

By Can't Resist

October 24, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

Sorry, not mine….

Great website I found by accident.

Not for the timid.

By jacksonwolff

October 24, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

RB-

I’m not in favor of the fairness doctrine, it does curtail free speech. Like I have been saying, I may not like what Rush Limbaugh has to say, but I FIRMLY believe in his right to say it.

My Grandfather always said “Opinions are like a*******holes, everyones got one and they ALL stink.” But in america, at least we have the right to be a*******holes.

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

{{{{In his first major policy proposal, Thompson challenged presidential rivals Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney by criticizing “sanctuary cities” where city workers are barred from reporting suspected illegal immigrants. “Taxpayer money should not be provided to illegal immigrants,” Thompson said at a round-table discussion that included Collier County, Fla., sheriff Don Hunter.}}}}

Duh.

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Gawd, just lie like a rug:

{{{{Democrats ((((tweak)))) kids’ insurance- House Democrats, convinced ((((President Bush blundered)))) by vetoing an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, plan to approve a very similar bill this week ((((even as the administration offered new concessions)))) Tuesday. The Democrats’ revised bill would reduce the number of adults and higher-income families potentially eligible for the health insurance subsidies, presumably ((((making it easier for Republicans to back it while saving face.)))) Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said Tuesday the administration is now willing to support, with conditions, covering children in families at up to three times the federal poverty level —- $61,950. Leavitt acknowledged that an additional $15 billion increase was “a rational number.”-Urinal}}}}

Let’s see, the democrats proposed 35 billion and the Repubs offered 5 Bill. So the final number is 15.

O.K. dumbas-s liberals, which number is 15 closer to, the democrats or the Republicans?

Duh, freaking duh.

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Headline in the suckas-s Urinal: {{{{Robbery’s sad twist: Death of 21-year-old}}}}

Sad twist?

It’s a direct result you degenerate.

GFY.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Driving home last night listening to Hannity… He was asking the question of the libs in his audience, “name 3 accomplishments of Hillary that qualify her to be president.” Someone actually called in and said, “she’s over 35, is a US citizen, and is not a convited felon”.

Didn’t we cover this on this blog back on Friday and Monday? Still no accomplishments, btw.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Driving home last night listening to Hannity… He was asking the question of the libs in his audience, “name 3 accomplishments of Hillary that qualify her to be president.” Someone actually called in and said, “she’s over 35, is a US citizen, and is not a convited felon”.

Didn’t we cover this on this blog back on Friday and Monday? Still no accomplishments, btw.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Mike LuckoVICK is to journalism as Michael Vick is to dogs.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (a.k.a. The Al-Jazeera Constitution a.k.a. The Atlanta Urinal-Constitution b.k.a. The Local Moonbat Monopoly Daily) is to American newspapers as The Al-Jazeera Channel is to Middle East TV

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

While Harry Reid blames global warming for the California fires, and Sen. Boxer blames Bush, we know that at least some of these fires were started by arsonists.

They arrested someone yesterday whom they caught setting fire to a hill at Lake Arrowhead. Time will tell whether he was connected to Earth First!, ALF, ELF or is a lone actor.

Meanwhile, here is a scumbag journalist who admits to having his heart warmed by acts of arson:

October 10, 2007-By Peter Shelton. Eco-terrorism has been back in the news with the recent convictions of several members of the Earth Liberation Front up in the Pacific Northwest. They admitted torching a timber company office and to that dramatic arson of the Two Elks ridge-top cafeteria at Vail. At least one young arsonist professed rather abject regret, I thought, for his role in the movement. I was disappointed in him. He could have shown a little more gumption…. Still, I couldn’t help but feel nostalgic for the day the news broke about the Vail fire. Or the day somebody incinerated all those Hummers in a Southern California car lot. Message received, loud and clear.

{{{Peter Shelton directed the ski school in Telluride (1977-78) before beginning a career in journalism. He earned the North American Snowsport Journalists Association “Ski Writer of the Year” award four times. E-mail comments to editor@vailtrail.com.}}}

Give this guy a Pulitzer Prize!

By Anonymous

October 24, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Hee, hee! Funny stuff, this toon. The far right nutzis are reduced to childish name-calling because they have nothing else. Over a year to the election and they’re already beaten—and they know it!

I really hope you losers don’t roll over and play dead—it’s much more fun to watch you foam and screech and rave in your pathetic impotence as your betters cruise by you once again.

Ahh, the satisfactions of being right AND smart—joys that a neocon drone will never know.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett:

Well, Hitlery is over 35, but with her overbearing left-wing socialist ideology we’re not quite sure that she’s a U.S. Citizen and we all know for certain from her days at the Rose Law Firm and her Whitewater dealings, just for starters, that she SHOULD BE A CONVICTED FELON!!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 24, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

I prefer

Rudy McRomney

Lazy Fred

John McCave…..

While I think the Republicans are just plain better at this, we are all guilty of it, aren’t we?

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

The first two links from IN THE FEVER SWAMPS are over a year old. Should this be IN THE FEVER SWAMP ARCHIVES?

By Shawny

October 24, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

While this toon is mildly amusing, it makes me think of Teddy Kennedy’s gaffe trying to pronounce Obama. Either Romney was drunk when he recently spoke and did the same, or he was channelling TK.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

“The Republicans only have childish name-calling”

Is that today’s Democrap National Committee moonbat talking points or something because all the left-loons are reciting it over and over?

It ain’t name-calling if it’s true as the moonbats have proven time and time again. Punks. Go play in the LEFT LANE of I-285. Or better yet, go stand in the LEFT truck lane. Much better.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

{{{By Anonymous

October 24, 2007 9:09 AM |

The far right nutzis are reduced to childish name-calling because they have nothing else.}}}

Uh, ever heard of “Bush-Hitler”?

For the record, when I want to call Hillary a name I stick with Shrillary.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

So when exactly is Obama going to denounce his allegiance to Islam?

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Can’t Resist,

Thanks for the roll in the gutter. As Analchord (PoFo) suggested, that is just what we need to go with the scribblings of Luckovich, more dirt.

Buy Danish @ 9:02

As soon as I saw Barbara Boxer on the news, I knew what she would say. Of course she said that ALL the National Guard was in Iraq (even as some of their trucks were rolling into town).

Other California officials were saying they had plenty of help but it was a difficult fire to fight because of high winds and drought. I hadn’t heard about arsonists. But it is not surprising, and neither is anti-war, anti-Bush Sen. Barbara Boxer(D).

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

So when exactly is Obama going to denounce his allegiance to Islam?

By @@

October 24, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Speaking of screw ups ml…

(((As they sat on stage Tuesday before an audience of 14,000 at the country’s biggest women’s conference, hosted annually by California first lady Maria Shriver, the spouses of leading White House candidates - Republicans and Democrats - provided a revealing and often moving contrast to the nasty tone and staged sound bites that characterize the debates among their ——->husbands.<——-)))

The article said Bill couldn’t make it.

Hillary is Bill’s husband????

Is that a gaffe or a laugh?

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

I prefer to call her “HITLERY” because she wants to control when and what we eat,when and what we say, when and what we think, when and what we listen to and when and what we watch, just for starters. It’ll be Hitlery’s own personal Nazi-facist state.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

RW

Thanks! Great Job!

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Is that Ted “Swimmer” Kennedy (D-OZ) in that elephant suit?

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Osama/Obama is not going to renounce his allegiance to Islam because he’s a closeted Black Supremist (joined the Black Panthers in college) Islamic extremist who is just waiting to spring into action when he gets into the White House. Obama/Little Osama wants to be the nation’s first Al-Qadea “Sleeper-cell President”, an emeny within planted personally by big Osama (Osama bin Laden) to wade jihad against America.

The Liberal Agenda: A Jihadist as President.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

RW

2 in a row!

Fab!

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

MAZ,

If I were a Holocaust victim or family member I wouldn’t appreciate having a situation where millions of people were slaughtered put on the same level as Hillary’s dogged pursuit of Big Government control over our lives.

By Spence

October 24, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Liberal CNN my azz!!! Good link Rw-(The Original)!

This myth needs to be busted. CNN is a Bush Administration mouthpiece. Maybe not as bad as Fox but Rw is right, certainly in bed with the Republicans.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Yep this is a brand new phenomenon by evil Republicans.

Somebody’s going to have to verify whether the PMSNBC one portrayed here really happened. That seems a little too much of a stretch even for the bozo’s that bring you the Olberdouche and call it news.

By truth

October 24, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Wow, what a collection of nuts here: Clinton is a serial rapist. The Harry Potter books ae evil. Freedom of religion is evil. BTW: Mad as Zell you are an idiot.

By Prophetess Kelley P

October 24, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

That is not Teddy Kennedy in an elephant suit.

It is Sen Larry Craig in his new invention that makes it easier to go down in bathroom stalls.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

This is a good source for info on some of these eco-terrorist groups

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

The administration’s war on science — revisited

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

RB,

Maybe Obama will denounce his allegiance with Islam when all the other candidates do.

Dusty,

Would you mind to post a link to a news article or anything where Barbara Boxer publically blames Bush for the California wildfires?

Because I’ve read this so far:

[Sen. Barbara Boxer on Tuesday said she believes the administration’s disaster response, particularly FEMA’s, has improved since Hurricane Katrina rocked New Orleans and the government’s slow response time was widely criticized.

“They seem to be getting out in front of this,” said Boxer, who held a briefing Tuesday with House members from affected regions, National Guard Lt. General H. Steven Blum and several FEMA officials.](http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_7263281)

And you’d think that if she officially blames Bush for the California wildfires she’d at least have released a press statement from her office.

But, can you please provide me a link where she says that? I’ve been looking and looking all morning and can’t find anything.

Thanks!

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

October 24, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Hahaha, I wish I had a long suctioning trunk that could easily reach under bathroom stalls. (Even though I’M NOT GAY!)

By @@

October 24, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

About Bill’s no-show at the “women’s forummmmmmm”.

(((“We invited him to serve coffee,” California’s first lady, Maria Shriver, said yesterday as she moderated the discussion in front of an audience of 14,000 women. “I’m only kidding,” the former broadcaster quickly added.)))

OUCH!!!!

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Calm down children. CNN has long been known as the Clinton News Network so if there was some nefarious plot it was meant to help Mrs. Clinton.

Now what does that mean to all of us? Those of us with a brain figure it was an honest mistake, while the tinfoil hat wearing moveon.morons® like ITFS and Spence think it’s a plot to elect right wingers.

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish: It is election season, you know. If liberals like STARK RAVING MAD can dish it, then I’m sure that liberals like Hitlery can take it (after, of course, playing the victim: “Oh poor helpless Hillery. Oh what did she ever do to deserve this treatment?” Before hitting conservatives in the face with a hot cast-iron skillet. Hitlery’s not fooling anyone, behind that face mask is an ax-murderer) You’re right. Hitlery is much closer in demeanor and ideology to the Communist murderer Joseph Stalin than she is to the Nazi murderer Adolf Hitler. Nevertheless, she’s still a ruthless power-hungry carpetbagger who will stop at nothing to get what she wants which is total control over our minds and actions. She is ambitious though, I will give her that much.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Where did you hear/read that an arsonist has been arrested?

By Mad As Zell

October 24, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

tooth:

Your right. The “Harry Potter” author is evil and Bill Clinton is a serial rapist. I knew that somebody on the left would come around to see things the RIGHT way. Which side is doing the name-calling now?

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Speaking of name callers:

{{{{The peaceniks need only blame themselves for their failures. They are asking Americans to believe not that the war was a blunder, so much that the war was a sin; that the decapitators and car bombers of innocents are a resistance; that the army seeking to prevent ethnic cleansing today is in fact responsible for it.}}}}

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

It is certainly not news, nor terribly surprising, that such an extraordinary percentage of those who comprise the far political right here rely so excessively upon immature insults and juvenile personal attacks.

What is particularly sad though, is that this particularly nasty, attack dog behavior was learned by parroting the GOP “leaders” on the national stage.

I have asserted before that any semblance to civil discourse was one of numerous casualties of the Gingrich Doctrine. You remember it. It’s basic premises were to slash and burn, demonize those that disagree, act as if you have the monopoly on morality and that god is on your side and twist the facts, whenever possible to fit the situation.

This is one of the main reasons that the Republican Party is in such deep trouble today.

A few now realize that they’ve lost their way and their connection to their historical traditions, which used to rely MUCH more on intellect and reason rather than demagoguery and emotions, and that this “lowest common denominator” approach is self-defeating.

As evidenced by Donnie Deutsch’s assertion the other night that much of America is fed up with the venom that is constantly pouring from the lips of the Ann Coulters and so many other neo-con darlings like her.

But yet they just can’t seem to either admit to this basic failing nor change their path, except in the most vague and disingenuous terms.

And that is one of the reasons why they are again going to get decimated in next November’s elections.

The writing is on the wall, GOP. Pull your head out of a certain body cavity and read it.

By RE

October 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Told ya so

WASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of existing homes plunged by a record amount in September as turmoil in mortgage markets added more problems to a housing industry in its worst slump in 16 years.

It is going to be worse next month, and then stabilize at a much lower rate.

dump dollars, everyone is doing it, buy gold, euros or pounds. If you are in an ARM refi if you can. If not, you are hatin it because your home will not appraise for as much as it did a year ago.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

By Bosch October 24, 2007 10:02 AM

Bosch, I don’t believe that will be a problem for any of the candidates other than Obama. You see, in the Islamic faith, if you’re raised a Muslim and your father considers you to be a Muslim, denoucing Islam requires a death sentence. I have no idea if Obama’s father who is said to raise him as a Muslim still considers him to be a Muslim. We don’t seem to get answers to those kinds of questions from the liberal media.

Why is this important, you ask? Because the tenents of Islam, as shown by Osama and Imanutjob, are to make Islam THE governing body of THE WORLD, not just some pile of sand in the middle east. They believe Islam should rule the world and you and I, the infidles, will either convert to Islam, submit to their Islamic rule, or be killed. Personally, I will NEVER convert to Islam or bow down at the altar of Allah. How about you when your choice comes? Islam or death?

I know what your thinking… “thats just the radical Islamist, most of them are “peace loving”. So why don’t you hear ANY of the peace loving Islamist denounce the actions of the extremists? Because they will be killed and/or removed from their local mosques. Look it up.

Based on the FACTS above, I think it’s a fair question to know EXACTLY where the man stands in relation to his Muslim upbringing. Does he denounce it or is he a wolf in sheeps clothing?

Remember, there is no “religious freedom” in the Muslim world, people. It’s Allah or death. You libs are playing with fire here.

By Ditzty

October 24, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

LOL!

Buy Danish is debating a blogtoon character. (MaZ)

Sick ‘em BD. Betty is going to be so proud of you.

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

The American way:

{{{{Similarly, so many San Diegans took food, water, blankets, sleeping bags and other emergency supplies to the stadium that they created a traffic nightmare. “The outpouring of community support for fire relief efforts has currently overwhelmed traffic and materials handling at the stadium site,” the mayor said in a statement urging San Diegans to suspend their deliveries of donations.}}}}

{{{{The volunteer help was not limited to retirees serving coffee and doughnuts. A small city was established at the stadium within just a few hours, with thousands of evacuees in need of three meals a day, a comfortable place to sleep and personal hygiene items. Because of the volunteer commitment, those needs were promptly met. Meanwhile, the medical requirements of displaced residents, including many elderly, were tended to by volunteer physicians and registered nurses.}}}}

{{{{Through it all, evacuees and volunteers carried on in orderly fashion, with no disruptions, no misconduct, no mayhem. Given the grim circumstances, that was a testament to San Diegans’ civic spirit.}}}}

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Adam Housley, who is on the ground in Lake Arrowhead reported it. They arrested a guy on a motorcycle who they saw set fire to a hill. The witnesses were in a helicopter that was patrolling to prevent looters.

ITN,

No doubt you think it’s silly that terrorists could be involved with setting fires.

Here’s a little recap of some eco-terrorist events, some of which involve arson.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Another good recap of acts of eco-terrorism.

Note that a Forest Service station was torched at one event. That happened in California, and Fox is reporting that an arsonist is on the loose who started 3 fires.

As I said earlier, time will tell whether these people are connected to groups or are lone actors. However, the fact remains that history shows that these lowlifes use arson as one of their tools.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Ditzy Polly,

If you’re not a cartoon character, does that mean that you are for real?

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

BD

“No doubt you think it’s silly that terrorists could be involved with setting fires.”

Actually No.

No doubt you read minds.

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 10:30 AM dump dollars, everyone is doing it, buy gold, euros or pounds. If you are in an ARM refi if you can. If not, you are hatin it because your home will not appraise for as much as it did a year ago.}}}}

RE: Hey, I don’t want to rain on your parade or anything, but most successful business men prefer to buy low and sell high.

You, my friend, are recommending that we sell low and buy high.

Good luck with that.

I, on the other hand, seriously doubt that 1) the 1% drag that mortgages had on a GDP of 4.3% is hardly a reason to panic 2) the the holders of the dollar would take a 35% hit on their investment just so they can have gold or Euros.

Normal people will have patience and wait for the price of gold/ Euros to go back down like it always does.

But you blow your money any way you want, dude.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Iraq Security Contractors to Get Sensitivity Training

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Wingnut Losers Unite!

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

bosch @ 10:02

I was watching Lehrer NewsHour last night when Barbara Boxer was shown saying that the National Guard was in Iraq and implying there was not enough help in California. That is what I was posting about.

I also said that the words of Sen Boxer (D) California were not surprising since she is consistently anti-war and anti-Bush. If you disagree, please post a link that reflects the opposite.

Thank you.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

RB,

Thank you for your manifesto regarding Islamic fathers and their sons. It was very informative, but it has nothing to do with Barack Obama.

Obama’s dad and mother seperated when he was two years old. He only met his father once after that. His mother remarried a nominal Muslim (who must not have adhered to the teachings too much because he is said to enjoy bacon) and moved to Jakarta when he was six years old where he attended a Catholic school for two years and then a Muslim school for two years where, in both instances, religion was nominally taught.

He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10 and attended the Punahou School.

He was not raised a Muslim and has never declared to be a Muslim, but he has declared to be a Christian and attends a Christian church, so why should he have to declare his disassociation with a religion he has never claimed to be involved in?

So you think that anyone associated with or has a family members that a Muslim should disassociate themselves with them if they are running for office? You know, just to be on the safe side, of course.

And, please do not ever pretend to know what I’m thinking.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

ITN,

Gosh, since you linked to a Think Progress thread which made fun of the idea that terrorists could be involved, I have no idea how I could have concluded that you shared their mindset.

My apologies!

/sarc.

Here is an environmentalist website called [Grist]. (http://www.grist.org/topic/EarthLiberationFront) who cheer on ELF, using the excuse that people don’t die when they commit arson.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Here’s the Lt. Governor of California (D), John Garamendi, whining that Bush’s visit to California is just a “P.R. Stunt”, expressing some of the same sentiments our own rushncap voiced yesterday.

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Your Republican administration and tax dollars hard at work.

WASHINGTON — Fewer people think the U.S. is adequately thwarting terrorists, meeting its objectives in Iraq or achieving other goals overseas, according to a poll that shows a deepening skepticism about the country’s foreign policy.

“We are reaching a point where the public seems to be questioning not just whether current policies are working, but whether the United States can have an effective foreign policy at all,” said a report accompanying the survey, conducted in the U.S. last month for Public Agenda, a nonpartisan public policy group, and the journal Foreign Affairs.

The poll also found little taste for a military confrontation with Iran. Tensions with Tehran have risen over its nuclear program and aid to fighters opposing U.S. troops in Iraq.

Sixty-five percent said they preferred economic or diplomatic moves against Iran, compared to 19 percent who favored military action or threats.

Asked to assign grades to the U.S. for meeting foreign policy goals, 48 percent awarded As or Bs for giving terrorism the attention it deserves. The number giving those grades was 10 percentage points lower than when the question was asked in 2005.

Twenty-five percent gave those highest grades when asked how well the U.S. was succeeding in Iraq, down 14 points from 2005. There were similar drop-offs in top grades for meeting U.S. objectives in Afghanistan, spreading democracy in the world, resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and having good relations with Muslim nations.

While 56 percent said improved intelligence operations would help a great deal to protect the country.

Thirty-eight percent said respecting other countries more would do a great deal to improve U.S. security.

By 65 percent to 28 percent, people said the U.S. should rely more on diplomatic and economic efforts, rather than military might, to combat terrorism.

Also:

— Most think global cooperation can reduce global warming.

— 64% said they think the rest of the world sees the U.S. negatively, including 30% who said very negatively.

— Only 25% said the U.S. is doing a good or excellent job making the world more peaceful.

— People ranked the Middle East as the top U.S. foreign policy problem, with four in 10 choosing it.

By mm

October 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike. It describes the immature wingnuts on this blog perfectly. Once again, the truth drives them crazy. They can’t handle the truth because truth has never left their Bush butt sucking lips.

Mad as Zell, you are now officially Duh’s padded cell roommate.

RB, can you please for once not double post? It’s hard enough to stomach your posts the first time.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I also heard Boxer’s speech on a different channel than Dusty. She said that if Bush wouldn’t have sent all our National Guard troops and equipment to Iraq they would be there to fight the fire.

My guess is she heard they were trained for a firefight and had no idea what that meant.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Thanks.

Dusty,

I didn’t think you could find a link that said that. You, as usual, just make stuff up.

But this isn’t made up: some of the California National Guard ARE in Iraq and they could be here fighting the fires if they weren’t over there.

You can infer all you want what she says, of course, that’s your perogative, but she also thanked him for being on top of things. I guess they left that part out, and you, of course, don’t like to read stuff like that.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

w is good at doing one thing.

Clearing brush.

He should show leadership and help out on SoCal.

By B. Moore

October 24, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Funny toon Mike although you forgot to mention that it is Hillary that is out to destroy Obama. The woman is a political corporation worth millions. She is out to destroy anything that stands between her and the WH. Tis a sad commentary when liberal voters will support the very thing which they abhor.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Mad as Zell,

I see that you have taken your priviledge as a winger to have your own facts, in this case the suggestion that Barack Obama attended a fanatical Islamic school in Indonesia. While I agree that you can make up what ever facts come to your little mind, because that is your right as a winger, I think these are some facts that you might even have trouble with.

How old is Obama? According the the publicly known facts he is 46 years old and born in 1961. He was in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971.

I suppose that you have decided that Indonesia was a hot bed on Islamic facsism some 30 plus years before anyone had ever uttered the phrase? A made up fact that can easily be disproved. I also suppose that you are arguing that the public schools in Indonesia were radical anti-American schools in the late 1960’s. Another made up fact that can easily be disproved.

Are you also assuming (making up the facts) that Indonesia itself was anti-American in 1970? Are you also making up facts that there was any organized Muslim hostility toward the US in 1970? It does seem to me that we teamed up with the Taliban in the 1980’s to kick the USSR out of Afghanistan. Was Reagan an Islamic-Fundamentalist for doing so? I believe he called these Islamic Fundalmentalists, ‘freedom fighters.’

While wingers have the right to make up facts as much as they please and do so often your made up facts stretch so far out there that you come off as a very stupid fact maker-upperer. I guess what I’m saying is that we wingers have to have pride in our work in making up the facts so that they at least seem plausible to even the marginally stupid.

I mean if you want to make up facts about people’s religion say that Mitt Romney’s Great-Grandfather was a polygamist. Oh wait, thats actually true.

RWNJIFG

By Dubya

October 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

The troglodyte Bush addresses the nation. The chronic liar-drunk, the Nat’l Guard hero, the valiant Iraq soldier and leader, the Republiscum idol, talks “TOUGH” today about CUBA. 47 years after the fact, this imbecile talks the same old Repug crap. Well, Viva Fidel. And God bless Murcuh.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

-=-

Mark my words — Haliburton and Blackwater will soon be handling things through a no-bid contract in California — Just like they did in Nawlins’…

Great photo Op moment for the Prez’ — gotta look like he’s actually doing something.

as far as the national guard — pity they are out helping another nation rather than “we the taxpayers” in the USA that pay their bills. Nice that we are so good hearted that we sacrifice this country for Iraq and the oil companies.

Cheers’

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)@11:14

Thanks for the backup. I guess bosch never heard of Lehrer NewsHour. Figures.

bosch did give me a laugh in one of his posts. He can prove that Obama is not Islamic because the Muslim stepfather of Obama ate bacon!!

Yep, that does it. I wonder if Osama eats bacon. I had some slab bacon last night and if Osama smelled that good stuff, he wouldn’t be able to stand the temptation.

By RE

October 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Funny, scary stuff for you.

Mortgage backed securities had become the cornerstone of all lending in the last 5 years. Just about every other loan is tied in some way to these securities.

Think for a minute, whatever street you live on and take a look at all the houses on that block. think of the home price, and the probably mortgage debt tied to it, figure 80% of the value. figure 50 houses, each worth about 250k, 80% debt would be around 10 million for that street. now imagine all of metro atlanta. the amount of mortgage debt is more than the actual cash the homeowners and banks combined have.

I read somewhere that $100 of real cash can provide for $5000 worth of loans after it gets sold, repackaged and sold again. A guy buys a house and takes a 200k loan at 6.5%, that loan comes from a broker, who doesn’t really have 200k to lend, but they borrow it from a national bank at 6%. The national bank cannot really fund all the mortgages that they have and still fund more loans, so they borrow money from an investor pool at 5.75%. Those investors don’t really have the money to fund all those mortgages, so they borrow money from other investors and hedgefunds at 5.5%. Those hedgefunds and investors don’t really have enough money to fund all that debt so they borrow out money to cover it. And on and on it goes.

There really is no cash backing all this debt. it is all borrowed money. if the mortgages go, then financing for many other things, credit cards, auto finance, new commercial construction… all of it begins to dry up because there is no real value on this debt, just a theory that people will pay into.

Think of Google stock for a minute, this is a company that does not produce anything, it just sells ad time to other companies. It is currently valued at 154 billion dollars. the actual value of that comapny is no where near that much, but people will buy the stock, and it will rise not based upon actual value but on predictive stock price gains. so how much money did this 154 billion dollar comapny profit in 2006? 3 billion. not exactly 154 billion is it.

scary what people will buy into.

and gold will get to 1000 an ounce by this time next year.

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

One of the many ways that the neo-cons always seem to shoot themselves in the foot, is by their non-judicious use of heavy handedness and a seemingly total lack of pragmatism.

If an organization wants to make its points, inane or not, on college campuses, do they realistically think they have a snowball’s chance in the christian hell with phrases like “counteracting the blame America first crowd”?

All these zealots are going to accomplish is preaching to their own tiny paranoid choir and getting repudiated by mainstream America.

Maybe Glenn Beck will attend as he not only thinks WW4 is inevitable it is absolutely imminent! RUN AWAY!!!

{{A week-long series of forums discussing Islamic fundamentalism’s ties to human rights abuses and terrorism has sparked protests and charges of hate speech on college campuses nationwide.

Students on more than 100 college campuses nationwide are participating in Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, which organizers say is designed to “rally American students to defend their country.” Events are scheduled at schools including Princeton, UCLA, Columbia University, and Penn State.

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week is the creation of Terrorism Awareness Project (TAP), a student offshoot of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Its mission, according to its Web site, is to counteract the “blame America first” crowd that dominates America’s universities. The group aims to educate students and other Americans about the “cadre of Islamic terrorists” who “have declared Holy War on the U.S.,” according to organizers.}}

By getalife

October 24, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

The gop like Romney are losing on the issues so they dumb it down for their ignorant base with the name calling like two year olds.

Address the issues idiots.

Grow up.

Geez, how pathetic are these two year olds.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

mm, I still don’t know why some of my comments get posted twice. It’s not intentional, however, being a liberal, I can see where you might confuse it with the liberal “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true” tactic.

Amvet, so 64% said they think the rest of the world sees the U.S. negatively, including 30% who said very negatively. That’s such a surprise considering how negatively the entire demcratic party portrays America on a daily basis. Imagine if the only thing you knew about what happened in this country came from the NY Times, USA Today, etc. That’s what the rest of the world sees of us. Go travel in europe and see what US news you get.

You idiots are fueling our own downfall.

By raisedanidiot

October 24, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

good morning everyone…I’m pretty…ok, not shocked at the lack of compassion shown here this morning concerning the Calif. fires…what the hell does it matter who blames what? Our earth is dissapearing before our own eyes …drought, destruction…grow a backbone people and put politics aside for once…thanks to group think politics we could be facing a religious world war…could we waste ourselves on a more useless conflict? I find it all so hard to fathom …feeling a little like doom this morning…btw, i’m trying to send this rain up your way but i can’t blow that hard…maybe dust ball can come down and help…she likes me you know :)

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

mm, I still don’t know why some of my comments get posted twice. It’s not intentional, however, being a liberal, I can see where you might confuse it with the liberal “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true” tactic.

Amvet, so 64% said they think the rest of the world sees the U.S. negatively, including 30% who said very negatively. That’s such a surprise considering how negatively the entire demcratic party portrays America on a daily basis. Imagine if the only thing you knew about what happened in this country came from the NY Times, USA Today, etc. That’s what the rest of the world sees of us. Go travel in europe and see what US news you get.

You idiots are fueling our own downfall.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Well, since Romney and the other gop candidates said nothing about OBL and catching him, at least two year old Romney spewed his first name for the ignorant base.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

One sure way to get a single post is to hit post after you type your comment then open this page in a new window. Once your comment shows up just close the old window.

There are different issues with different browsers, but the above method will work with any of them.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

RB,

You are right. The liberal media is a new creation which didn’t exist in the 1990’s the 1980’s the 1970’s or the 1960’s or even before. While we were saying that there was an anti-American liberal media, it wasn’t really true then. We were just making it up. That’s why we were popular in the world then and not now. The only thing that has changed is that there is now a liberal media and there wasn’t before even though we said there was.

In fact, despite our protestations to the contrary the NY Times was atually quite conservative until Bush took office and we were then bouyed in world opinion by the Times’ pro-American reporting.

Yes, RB it all makes sense now.

RWNJIFG

(P.S. While I fell sorry enough for you to have your back on this, your comment is almost as stupid as saying that Global Warming is caused by that big yellow thing in the sky coming up every day whereas before it just showed up every now and then. I mean its just that damn stupid.)

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

AmVet@11:36

Whatsa matter? Did someone step on your toes?

It seems universities are trying to “clean up their act”. I mean, offering a course that “counteracts the blame-America first crowd”. Way to go!!

Maybe they will televise the course and you and getalife can put some good stuff in your head for a change.

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Mad as Zell @ 8:40…..isn’t that what killed Curly?

By DavidEm

October 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

If you want to see the operations of the finely-tuned mind of the right-wing ranter, you’ve come to the right place. I actually thought some of this was deliberate parody at first. Turns out it’s accidental self-parody. What world do these Einsteins live in? Their postings sound like echoes of some mindless right-wing “think tank.” Or, more probably, the substance-free ramblings of talk radio.

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Yes, I understand the argument that the evil “blame America first” liberal media and universities is why the United States has most if not all of its problems.

The reality is that even if the neo-cons got their way and shut down the free press, or could ideally dilute the first amendment, which since the nation’s conception have grand traditions of illustrating the failings of our elected leaders, people would still know what was happening.

The fact that the thugs on the far right who desperately try to spin this into a case of the messengers being America-haters who love terrorists is just transparent and obvious childish stupidity. Most rational Americans I would surmise, could care less that they take umbrage with such delusional conclusions.

And invariably, these worst of the self-righteous on the extreme right simply fail to ever accept responsibility for the truth.

Either at a personal or party-wide level.

They sh!t the bed and then blame the maid who changes the sheets.

Then they ask their god for forgiveness while stiffing the cleaning service.

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 24, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

You folks seem to forget in the 2005 or 2006 your icon Teddy (Lady Killer) Kennedy did the same thing. I didn’t hear you calling for blood then. I guess not everyone is allowed a slip of the lip?

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Thankfully our campus has been spared the Horowitz douchebaggery of late. Of course we still have idiots like the Zellephant show up periodically, but the last two “big” names to show up (him and Alan Keys) are basically has-been punchlines by now, so I’m pretty happy about that. But we do have some neo-con foundation trying to establish “Western culture” (read: “white people”) studies program. So aside from occasional racism we’ve not been too overwhelmed by these morons here.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Do you have reading comprehension problems? You can get help at Sylvan Learning Centers for that, I’ve heard.

I know as a wingnut it’s hard not to tell lies, but please, be a Christian for once, and stop telling such fabrications.

RB,

Your the one who has a post problem, not mm, but as a neo-con, I can see where your hypocrisy might confuse you, and render you incapable of the simplest of tasks.

The rest of the world has their own news outlets and can make up their own minds based on the facts - your ethnocentricity demonstrates your ignorance.

By Real Liberal News Network

October 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

President Bush to send 10,000 row boats to San Diego!

In response to the tragedy in California, Bush said he would offer the help immediately so a repeat of the failed Katrina rescue would not be duplicated. The wooden lifeboats will be airlifted and dropped where needed.

“We need to assure them Californians have a way out this tragedy. Row boats will provide these people with an exit opportunity the people in New Orleans were not given. These Life Boats will save lives.” Said Bush.

“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on them, fool me thrice, hell people don’t be fooled again row row row your boat. Now watch me as I hit this drive…..”

FEMA was also thinking of building giant walls of bottled water that would melt as the fire approached thus putting out the blazes. However the nations stockpile of bottled water was being emptied into Georgia’s Lake Lanier for drought relief and was not available. Ironically Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue was in California shooting a commercial for “Go Fish Georgia” and not available for comment. No word on if he suffered any burns but he does have access to a row boat.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Um, Mr. Headcase,

What the hell are you talking about?

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Aww, isn’t it just so caring. Look how the Big Brother U.K. takes care of the children. A kid was removed from a foster home and is now living in a youth hostel because:

[Earlier this year, Somerset County Council’s social services department asked (the foster parents) to sign a contract to implement Labour’s new Sexual Orientation Regulations, part of the Equality Act 2006, which make discrimination on the grounds of sexuality illegal./Officials told the couple that under the regulations they would be required to discuss same-sex relationships with children as young as 11 and tell them that gay partnerships were just as acceptable as heterosexual marriages./They could also be required to take teenagers to gay association meetings.] (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=489285&inpageid=1770&ito=1490)

Way to go Libs!

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

rushncap, the thing the “neo-cons on campus” (Is that like Jews for Jesus?) always fail to see is that their “message” is generally distasteful, no matter what part of the country.

They would like to believe that it is only at Berkeley and in the Ivy League that they are not trusted nor valued.

But whether the university is in Michigan, New Mexico, New Jersey or North Carolina or Ohio the reception by the students is going to be pretty much the same.

Young people who have dedicated their lives to knowledge and learning based on reason and intellect are not terribly interested in the odd beliefs of a small minority whose opinionated conclusions are based so extensively, not on evidence or facts, but almost exclusively on emotional demagoguery.

And like it or not, for an idealistic youth, hate cloaked as prudent national security is not going to be a big seller.

By raisedanidiot

October 24, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

sorry bi-stupid…i missed your point…this is a bad ting because…fill in the blank here

By John A

October 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

You libby libs should be craeful about wanting the troops to come home.

Real men would stomp the snot right out of you punks if we don’t let them stomp the sh*t out of some more of those little brown baby butchers.

Keep the troops in Iraq so you can keep your own sorry yellow butts safe from some real harm.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

“Clinton vows to oppose Bush war request, time for her to convince others to do the same :

Democratic White House front-runner Hillary Clinton Tuesday vowed to oppose President George W. Bush’s new 196 billion dollar war funding request, stiffening her party’s new assault on Iraq policy.”

Well the gop and w are blocking spending bills to cut spending, so they can cut 196 billion don’t ya think?

Declare victory and get out.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You think it’s “racist” to teach Western Culture in a Western Country whose history evolved from Western Civilization?

Have you voiced similar complaints about these departments on your campus?:

Department of African and Afro-American Studies

Department of Asian Studies

Freaking jackass.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Grrrr. Let me try that link again to the good works of the U.K. Commissars.

Foster child to be taken away because Christian couple refuse to teach him about homosexuality

By Tony

October 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

No, DavidEm. This blog is the real thing. A perfect cross section of today’s Repug party and its thought processes. These are people who have been nursed on hatred, bigotry, bitterness, jealousy, raw ignorance, personal failures and resultant anger at the world. They try to “identify” w the very wealthy, never realizing that every vote they cast undermines their own personal and financial positions. I doubt there’s a single Repug here who makes more than $40K/year. They substitute their personal lack of success by filling up on the hatred and intolerance you read here. The “worst Americans” with “the wrong stuff.” A weak, disgusting lot to be sure.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Breaking news:

Durbin’s amnesty plan goes down in flames.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Quote For The Day

“I took a city that was full of pornography and licked it to a large extent,” - Rudy Giuliani.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Oh no. Now, Tony’s gone and done it. He’s said the one thing that will stir up the wingers more than anything: they don’t make more than $40,000/year. That’s how they measure success, by how big their bank accounts are, so now they are going to be going beserk telling us how much money they make!

Please refrain, wingnuts. We don’t care.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

The only people on this blog that ever talk about their own incomes or personal net worth are on your side. See: N-GA and (m)ental (m)idget for two.

By Abe

October 24, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Hey JohnA. Are YOU one of those “real men” who stomps the snot out of people?? This 5-year RCT(A) vet would like to know, as would others. Or are you just another pretend little would-be “man” who searches in vain for a hint of masculinity while hiding in your mommy’s basement, behind your PC screen?

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

It appears that UNC is reneging on its responsibilities to educate it’s students.

According to a study by the National Association of Scholars, only one third of the UNC system require courses in Western Civilization. Two thirds, however, do require multicultural or cultural diversity courses.

The truth shall set you free:

{{In his excellent book, The Reckless Mind, Mark Lilla argues that intellectuals, far from supplementing the Humanist/Enlightenment project, often find themselves aligned with tyrants, oligarchs, and other strange bedfellows against the distinctive ideals of the West.}}}

Of course this is what it’s really all about -

{{{The brouhaha over funding at Chapel Hill reveals a similar mindset. The faculty and student opponents can make the ‘poison fruit’ argument all they’d like. Their real concern stems from a fear that the proposed program may distinguish Western culture in some way, that the program may enunciate essential differences between the Enlightenment project of Europe, the liberal democracies of the West, and the oppressive tyranny of the ‘Other’.}}}

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 11:34 AM and gold will get to 1000 an ounce by this time next year.}}}}

The rising price of gold has nothing to do with the economy of the United States, gimpy:

{{{{Gold looks set to extend its gains this week and approach a 25- year high on anticipation that investors in China will increase purchases, a survey showed. Purchases in China rose 20 percent last year, helping elevate the country to the third-largest buyer of all kinds of gold after India and the United States, according to estimates the researcher GFMS in London.}}}}

Copper, silver, brass, all out of sight because of China’s demand.

Google is running on damn near every computer in the world, they have warehouses crammed full of servers and are placing virtually every book that has ever been published onto their servers in digital format.

You’re right though, probably nobody will have any interest in something like that.

Sarc/ off.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

By Tony October 24, 2007 12:45 PM

Could I get some examples of hatred and bigotry from you as suggested by any of the R’s on this blog? And please be specific and support your claims with facts. And don’t call me names and change the subject. Just the facts, please.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

By Tony October 24, 2007 12:45 PM

Could I get some examples of hatred and bigotry from you as suggested by any of the R’s on this blog? And please be specific and support your claims with facts. And don’t call me names and change the subject. Just the facts, please.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

If you listen to Skelton, Obey, Pelosi and others hatred on protesters, you will see that they have joined the gop in crushing dissent.

The response to one attack, ME, spending, Katrina, China, etc… was screwed up so bad, they decided to stick together against the blogs and the people. Hence, their approval ratings.

Our government is broken and people need to wake up to this reality.

Our forefathers fought the same government we have today. You can argue that this experiment of democracy has failed. The rule of law, the Constitution and governing for the people is history.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

This is an interesting article from the American Thinker, entitled, “The South Rises”:

For generations, American elites from the North have treated the South as a benighted land of knaves, fools, and charlatans, a proper subject of scorn and satire and certainly not a region to be admired or emulated. They are comically wrong.

{{The South has long risen from the ashes of the Civil War, and by many measures it the most admirable region of our nation. It may well be on the verge of becoming America’s dominant region, eclipsing the Eastern Seaboard that has reigned from our nation’s birth, and sprinting past the ambitions of the West Coast challenge, as the reference point for where America is going and as the heart of American culture.}}

The UNC campus is an exception of course, but hope springs eternal.

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Money? I dont care about it. Money cant buy health. If you have cancer, a trillion dollars wont save you. Cancer cells are immortal, they can divide forever. They acquire this immortality by a process as yet unknown, but they interact somehow with the reproductive organs and cloak themselves.

RW obviously has never been sick a day in his life, and he doesn’t know fear. Not like the greatest generation knew fear during the depression, when the seeds of socialism were born and sprouted via FDR into the new deal, social security and gov. work programs, entitlements, and high taxes. Our country was only saved by Hitler’s invasion of France. War is capitalism’s best friend, lets face it. George W Bush probably saved our economy from disaster by starting the perpetual war in Iraq.

The stock market knows war. The stock market likes war. Business is good, and whatever recessionary symptoms we may experience is the vestige of theimpending ruin that persisted despite W’s best efforts.

History may be kind to W, if I’m right, and I think I’m right about war and our economy. The charts dont lie. War creates jobs. People lend money to industrialists who create more jobs. We get to peace and prosperity only through war.

All real americans love the sting of battle. I will be proud to lead you good folks into an endless siege, from which we will attain a peace and prosperity never before seen by man.

Vote Analchord 08. He’s a younger, more vigorous uniter guy. And he knows the trick about fiscal war!

By RE

October 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Andy,

“The rising price of gold has nothing to do with the economy of the United States, gimpy:”

You have got to be kidding right?

Gold is an international monetary standard. It is not tied to any country’s production, gdp or anything else. The rise in gold is due to two things, one is the rise in price is exagerated by a weakining dollar, the rise is not nearly as high when converted to GBP or Euros. The other is that foriegn investment is shifting away from US securities into more stable markets.

How do we pay our 9 trillion debt when china and japan stop funding our government?

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

I knew if I unspooled even a little bit of wire with an obvious hook our little Muffin would not only bite and swallow it, but hang herself on the line.

Muff, darlin’, ALL regular history is “western history”. The reason they started establishing things like “Asian history” and others is because at one point professors and students took a look at curricula and said to themselves “You know… white people aren’t the only ones whose story is worth telling”. “History” = “white westerner history”. Establishing a separate dept. for that serves only 1 purpose: neo-con agenda, which seeks, among other things, to elevate the white race above others. Own it, honey.

If you had ever actually taken a history class you’d know all of this, btw. Why do you insist on talking about things you know nothing about with people who do? I don’t talk to you about golf or soap operas or trailer homes or country music, do I? I don’t act like an authority on things I know nothing of but you do. Extend the same courtesy to others. Lova ya, babe!

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Hillary 08. We’ve got a country to save, and a world to convince.

Hillary 08

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

“Could I get some examples of hatred”

By RB from Gwinnett

October 23, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

“BTW, Craig, we’re not fighting the citizens of Iraq over there you dumba$$. “

So rich coming from a brain numbed wingnut who has been blogging for a week and calls someone a dumba$$ when he, himself can’t even figure out a simple post button on a simple blog.

Nice.

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

RE: {{{{Look back up at 1:11 and read what is inside the brackets}}}}

Chinese demand is rising and so is prices.

I can say this about oil, copper, any commodity that China is buying up left and right, all of their prices are rising, seen what a barrel of oil will fetch now?

It’s called the real world.

Come join us.

By RE

October 24, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

I remember in college taking a world history class. World history was confined to europe and north america.

By Sal

October 24, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, the fact that you could be amused and waste time catching fish in a barrel says much more about you than the fish. Dont you agree?

You’d rule on the short bus, that’s for sure. That’s for dang sure.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Why should we teach Western Civilization? The Greeks are are the founders of Western Civilization and they were pre-Christian, sodomites. And as you know Christ was Asian. We should be teaching the Bible in schools not what a bunch of pederasts had to say 2,500 years ago.

Next thing you know you’ll be saying that the Renaissance, the rebirth of Western Civilization. which over time ultimately replaced religious institutions with demcratic, secular governments, was a good thing.

As we both know the so-called “Dark Ages” were a conservatives dream where the Government not only recognized religion but enforced its precepts. I mean you probably think putting Galileo in jail was a bad idea. If so, you are a liberal!!!!

RWNJIFG

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

I posted some well wishes for you last night and after I posted them, I felt kind of stupid because I said that I hoped all of your family and neighbors are doing well. But, if their homes are burning down, I don’t guess they are doing so well.

So, I’ll revise my well wishes to include that I hope your family and neighbors, and friends are all well, and if not well, at least safe.

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Alas, a lack of Western Civ. classes in college?

That kind of reminds me when the covert bigots who complain about there being no White History Month.

A good buddy of mine, who has a lot of that extra melatonin, and I laughed out loud when he said that those are the other 11 months out of the year!

I agree with Bosch’s comments about some people being completely ethnocentric.

Get over yourselves.

By RE

October 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Andy please, take a look

Oil is not getting more expensive, the dollar is losing value and oil is a dollar pegged commodity, but when it is converted to other currency, oil is at a stable price.

Listen, I know you love your country, but choosing to ignore problems for the sake of percieved patriotism is foolish and contibutes to the problem instead of helping. Understand that the US is not alone in the world, the US economy is in serious trouble, and you should not believe a work the government tells you. These guys, Paulson, Bernanke, learned accounting from Enron.

They will say anything to not panic the sheep, and lay this on the next administration.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

I think Sal expects an answer from me.

Muffin — sorry, honey, but the South pretty much sucks. The Triangle area in North Carolina is a bit of a nice haven, but overall, from everything I’ve seen around the South… yikes. The backwoods of North Carolina, for instance, are pretty scary. Every other damn building is a church. Confederate flags all over the place. People are nice enough, I do like them, but as for culture… Muff, I’m sorry, but South still has a long way to go to catch up to other parts of the country.

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

I’m Hillary 08 I am. Hillary 08 I am. I am. I got married to the Billy next door, he’s freed willy seven times with ho’s and everyone was a Monica, he wouldn’t flash his willy at a Pam, I really hate my man I’m Hillary, Hillary 08 I am

Second curse, He just flashed his nurse….

Hillary 08

That just never gets old. It’s brilliant and I can expect it to be hacked all across the globe. I rely on hackers. Where would Christ be without hackers? Notice he copyrighted nothing? And everyone, I mean EVERYONE hacked him for two thousand years. Now that’s what I call fall guys.

Someone from Colbert hacks me too. I see my blogs virtually word for word on colbert about two or three days later. Cool, eh? Anyone else notice? Thank you, yes, I know, what can I say…..

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Nice Bosch, Take comments out of context and change the subject. Typical liberal lack of grounding in facts.

The point is, I’m tired of being told Republicans HATE black people, old people, children, gays, and any and everybody else simply because I disagree with your liberal agenda. I have NEVER said I have even any dislike of any of those poeple, or even liberals for that matter, much less HATE them, and I haven’t seen that from anyone else on here either. Bring facts or get off the blog and go find something else to whine about. We’re tired of hearing you make up characterizations of people when you can’t support them. Put up or shut up.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch — thank you. I did not see that post. My parents are doing ok, so far their neighborhood has been spared. However, the largest fire (Witch Creek fire) is burning maybe 3 or 4 miles away from their house, and if the winds crank back up… But at least the evacuation orders for their neighborhood have just been lifted.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Nice Bosch, Take comments out of context and change the subject. Typical liberal lack of grounding in facts.

The point is, I’m tired of being told Republicans HATE black people, old people, children, gays, and any and everybody else simply because I disagree with your liberal agenda. I have NEVER said I have even any dislike of any of those poeple, or even liberals for that matter, much less HATE them, and I haven’t seen that from anyone else on here either. Bring facts or get off the blog and go find something else to whine about. We’re tired of hearing you make up characterizations of people when you can’t support them. Put up or shut up.

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

bosch @ 12:13

Does anyone know what bosch is talking about at 12:13? I don’t have the faintest idea.

Several of us have cleared the Boxer speech about the National Guard. But bosch is still muttering about something he doesn’t mention. Maybe he has forgotten. Oh well….

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

No, RB, Republicans don’t hate all those groups. They simply wish those groups did not exist, and are doing their best to prevent those groups from gaining any rights or getting any consideration.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

{{{I don’t talk to you about golf or soap operas or trailer homes or country music, do I? }}}

rushncap,

You don’t know anything about Golf, and I don’t know anything about soap operas or trailer homes, so you’re smart not to engage me on those topics.

As for Country music, some of it I like very much, some of it I don’t. I’m sure the Chicks will be heartbroken to hear your bigoted comments though.

Your superiority complex is hilarious, and oh so predictable:

These elites have all but ignored the genres of blues, gospel, and country-western music that express longing and sadness, patriotism and pride, the sense of hope that shines through dark despair. The creative centers for these types of music are all found in the South (Nashville, Memphis and points South. One publicly held company, Gaylord Entertainment, focuses on “Southern” forms of entertainment and has prospered). When George Bush Senior wrote an article about how much he liked country music, the Washington Post reprinted it under the demeaning headline, “George and the Oval Office Do-Si-Do: Heck, a President Ain’t Nothin’ but Just Folks”.

By Logic Man

October 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

CA fires caused by terrorists?

Bring the National Guard home now!

Fighting them over there isn’t working.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Boxer’s comments blaming Bush for the so called shortage of National Guard firefighters were from a committee hearing yesterday. It’s in the midst of an hour and a half video, so hopefully somebody will strip it out where we can link it.

It should be this one if anybody has the time. Senate Hearing on the Human Impact of Global Warming

By Tony

October 24, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

RB. For chrissakes, can’t you READ?? Can’t you see?? Your entire personal life is blinded to fact and reality and your insectile mind too weak to comprehend. You want “facts”? They’re here - everywhere. Look. Why do cretins like you continue to dirty this little blog?

Anal. You’re way out of control this day. Your entire post is substandard. Don’t blame your imagined “socialism” on FDR. And speak not of ANYTHING re WW II, as you know nothing of it or the 3 quiet years (1938-) FDR spent changing the mfg base over to war products. Totally against a totally cowardly,isolationist Repug party. You are a moral/intellectual imbecile. The only thing (other than war feeds capitalism) you said w accuracy was your referral to CANCER. Correct. Let me educate you a bit more: your hero, alcoholic Bush, has a 2007 budget for the NIH of $28.5 Billion. That’s supposed to cover 1000’s of research hospitals and clinics. More specifically, $5.5 Billion goes to CANCER research. That’s 2WEEKS in IRAQ. 2 weeks. People like Bush and you are precisely why this country has made NO progress whatever in treating cancer in 30 years. ( been there - done that). And why the rest of the civilized world - Europe, Asia - is light years ahead of us in medicine and nearly everything else.

You 2 inferiors should be grateful for this post, as I never take time to read or answer such nonsense as yours. You should both drop to your kneees and thank whatever Pig God it is that you worship for the mercy I have just bestowed upon you.

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Good news from Iraq.

Fewer people are dying, both our GIs and the long suffering Iraqi civilians.

I hope the rest of the situation there, regarding Sunnis vs. Shiites, is also improving but apparently there are still between 1 and 2 thousand people fleeing their homes every day. And that to me, is a staggering number.

http://newsmax.com/newsfront/deaths_iraq/2007/10/22/43266.html

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

By rushncap 1:58 PM

“No, RB, Republicans don’t hate all those groups. They simply wish those groups did not exist, and are doing their best to prevent those groups from gaining any rights or getting any consideration.”

Please give examples to support your claims. How has any Republican attempted to deny rights or consideration to those groups?

By getalife

October 24, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

“With America at war in two Muslim countries, he said, attacking a third Islamic nation in the region “has extraordinary challenges and risks associated with it.” The military option, he said, should be a last resort.

I guess it’s only a matter of time before Limbaugh smears the Admiral as a “phony” soldier, but in the meantime, it’s refreshing to hear the Chairman of the JCS saying so many sensible things”

Finally, come sanity in the military.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

By rushncap 1:58 PM

“No, RB, Republicans don’t hate all those groups. They simply wish those groups did not exist, and are doing their best to prevent those groups from gaining any rights or getting any consideration.”

Please give examples to support your claims. How has any Republican attempted to deny rights or consideration to those groups?

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage.

Should I go on, RB?

Muffin — you really have no life, do you?

By Cheryl

October 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

There was a report that they arrested a dirtbiker for setting a fire. He was spotted by airborne firefighters who radio’d the ground forces and they nabbed him.

This should be interesting. Havent’ heard another word. If it’s Osama, we are really in for it. There’s no defense against dirtbikers and magma.

Arnold is speaking live now on all the channels. He said that the fire will “Be Back”, and I think he shouldn’t say “be back” ever again. He’s thanking everyone for their efforts in the fire and he admonished them to “Be Back” if there’s more fire, why does he keep saying that?

hasta lavista babies

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Amwet, dammit, there’s fewer deaths than four months ago, but more deaths than a year ago.

If you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem.

Learn to read pie charts or the terrorists win.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Why the f do you think I’m going to discuss specific people at the university with you, Muffin? Aside from the sheer creepiness, you know nothing… so why bother discussing?

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

So now Rudy proves what a baseball douche bag he really is. Any true Yankee fan would rather throw their TV out the window then root on the BoSox.

Perish the thought!

{{Sounds like a baseball flip-flop. Rudy Giuliani, said Tuesday he’s pulling for their most hated rivals, the Boston Red Sox, to win the World Series over the Colorado Rockies.

“I’m rooting for the Red Sox,” the Republican presidential contender said in response to a question, sparking applause at the Boston restaurant where he was picking up a local endorsement.}}

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

That was a rhetorical question, munchkie. I think it’s interesting that a Professor of Physics was asked to give her opinion on what History Classes should comprise the curricula.

I doubt that a history professor would be asked to opine on what Physics classes should be taught, but oh, well, in trendy UNC things don’t have to make sense, they just have to soothe the egos of the perpetually oppressed who yearn for social justice in the unjust USA.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

I’m sure Buy Danish Trailer Park Community Learnery and Tractor Pull provides a far higher quality of education than a top-5 public university in the nation…

By AmVet

October 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Analchord, you know there is no way in hell I’d ever endorse that clusterf@ck or apologize for the deceitful morons who have mismanaged it from the get go.

I’m just glad to see fewer KIAs.

I’ve also noticed a near complete dearth of information lately regarding “progress on the political front”.

Perhaps the situation in that regard remains the same - there is none.

And perhaps we are talking about yet another US puppet government - Malaki’s - that will never stand on its own to effectively run a splintered, broken land.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Muffin, for someone whose educational hilight was getting into a high school, you sure are uppity. What’s the matter, no golf practice today to make you feel almost useful?

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

A few days ago I blogged that I thought Boston was more of a team and the Rockies were more of an assembly of allstars, and that would give the advantage to Boston, and I turned on public radio today and hear the exact same words by the announcer. He said that Boston was the new Yankees, the storied team that was expected to win, so I wouldn’t have gone that far, but how about an original thought from some media source that isn’t hatespeak?

Is there not one writer out there who doesn’t hack? If we dont think original thoughts the terrorists win. (no backs, no vice versas, no changies)

f’n hacks, I swear to god.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

By rushncap October 24, 2007 2:19 PM

I believe that’s an amendment to define “marriage” as being between a man and a woman, not “ban gay marraiage”. And I was unaware gay marriage was a “right”. Where exactly is that in the constitution?

More to the point, however, how does that translate to “HATE” of gay people? I’m sick of being told I HATE people simply because I disagree with whatever behavior they choose to engage in. I don’t like people wearing their pants halfway down their butts and eposing their underwear to my 7 year old daughter, and yes I do think that should fall under public indecency laws, but I don’t hate them. You see, liberal, you can disagree with someones behavior without HATING them. You should give that a try sometime.

And yes, I would like you to go on. What else you got?

By BAMF from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Where is marriage of any kind a right in the consitution?….life liberty the pursuit of happiness and heterosexual christian marriage?

Ban all marriage!

Let’s all just live together!

By Phil

October 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

How deep! Rush says “yes you do”, and RB says, “No I dont”.

He even said, “So there”.

Myspacers and Facebookers are not supposed to blog. Isnt’ there a rule?

Where’s the supervision?

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

RB, there are simply too many errors in your post for me to waste my time on. You’re either an exceedingly inept debater, or you realize that you already lost and hope to you god I’m an exceedingly inept debater. Either way, I can’t be bothered to correct them all.

Sorry bud. When you learn to stick to the subject at hand, maybe we can talk seriously.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I don’t know how many times I have told you this, but I am not from the South. Consequently all those trailer park references are misdirected.

I on the other hand, am not off base to cite information about the Group of 71 or the Progressive Faculty Network, both of which are at UNC and are well-aligned with your ridiculous politics.

By RE

October 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Good site Andy, the guy is on the ball.

from his site:

All of this talk concludes that the “US is accepting the current resource scarcity with Inflation. After the burst of the sub-prime credit bubble the US is facing a typical stagflationary environment, whatever the monetary policy, disadvantageous results will come out.”

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)@2:04

I hope you can get a link going from the long video where Boxer speaks about the National Guard. I am not good at such things.

But.. I doubt that even a video would make a dent in the one track mind of bosch.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

RB,

No, I didn’t take that out of context. You asked for an example of hatred, and I gave you one: your own. You called someone a dumba$$ which is pretty hateful in my opinion.

I also love the way you demand for examples from the other bloggers to support their claims, but yet, never provide any of consequence for your own claims.

Also, where do you get off and who the hell do you think you are telling us to get off this blog, novice?

Whether you like it or not, us “liberals” ain’t going no where dude. Deal with it.

I should post this twice just for fun.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 2:49 PM

That made perfect sense to me.

You’ll find that when rushncap has nothing that is based on facts and information to contribute he resorts to inane and childish responses that generally follow a theme of “I’m too smart to waste my time with peons and yahoos like you”.

By raisedanidiot

October 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

rb…repubs don’t hate gays? tell Andy,bi-stupid,dustball,doom…etc., they haven’t gotten the memo…you haven’t been around much have you?

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I think, as usual, you missed my point completely. Your ilk is claiming that Boxer blamed Bush for the wildfires. That’s like saying he actually went out and set them himself, which she didn’t say.

I don’t doubt for a minute that Boxer said that if the National Guard wasn’t wasting their time, energy, and equipment in Iraq, California would be better equipped and have more resources to fight the fires, which, face the truth, is true.

She may have even mis-spoke and said that ALL the California National Guard were in Iraq, which isn’t true, but any that are there could be better used, at home, fighting these fires.

Any single piece of equipment, and every troop we have in Iraq is wasted and could be used for a better purpose.

By RE

October 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

George W Bush accomplishments:

Starting a war without a plan or an end in sight to rival LBJ

Ethical and criminal infractions to rival Nixon

Economic stagflation to rival Jimmy Carter

Anything on the plus side, I mean there hasn’t been a terrorist attack in the US since the 3000 killed 9 months after he took office. And terrorism is on the rise worldwide.

Anyone?

By Paul

October 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

rushncap

You may be interested in reading Samuel Huntington’s “The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.”

It was originally published in the early 90s, has been updated in light of recent events. Not so much a history of civilizations as an examination of the current situation, the historical influence of various civilizations and the conflict that will exist over the next few generations.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Muffin, if your 3:12 claim helps you sleep better at night — by all means, own it. As for me, when I see a post which would require 10 minutes worth of point-by-point debunking, I’ll often simply ignore it, because I don’t want to waste that much time. 30 seconds to make fun of you I can spare. 10 minutes to explain logic to someone who is obviously not interested in it I can’t. But, again, sleep tight.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

I’m glad to hear your family is okay. I wish them continued safety!

raisedanidiot,

Howdy! I thought about you yesterday, and please don’t get mad, but I was reading this story about this crazy fan who was stalking Garrison Keillor, and she had sent him stuffed alligator feet, and I thought, oh surely not, surely that’s not raisedanidiot :-).

I remembered your stuffed alligator.

Just kidding. I thought that might make you laugh!

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Paul, I probably would be, but I really have about 4 books which I need to finish up right now, not to mention a ton of scientific literature to sift through. But thank you for your suggestion.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

“I was asked to come in and give him a briefing on the war, World War IV,” said Mr. Podhoretz, a founding father of neoconservatism and leading foreign policy adviser to Mr. Giuliani. “As far as I can tell there is very little difference in how he sees the war and how I see it.”

Um, where did WWIII go?

It is absolutely insane to vote for another neocon.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

By rushncap October 24, 2007 3:00 PM

Stick to the subject at hand??? The subject is I asked you to show evidence where R’s hate black people, old people, children, and gays or were bigots. The subject hasn’t changed and I still don’t see any evidence.

BTW, Bosch, I don’t HATE the dumba@@ for making a really stupid comment either, I simply pointed out his stupidity for inferring our soldiers in Iraq were fighting with the average Iraqi citizen vs. the radical factions who are trying to blow people up. But don’t let the whole story get in the way of your point…

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Hey RE :-(

Watch it with Jimmy. He was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. That’s all.

Just kidding, he sucked as President, he’d probably tell you that himself, he’s the last example we have of why good men/women do not make good politicians.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Is it still raining up there in ATL? I have to drive up there tonight and want to know what to expect.

It has been like a monsoon in Tampa all day.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

rushncap

You are welcome. Sounds familiar! But it is one of those books one can scan through, reading certain sections and skimming much of the other, and still follow the train of thought. It’s advantage is it does encourage some to revise their concept of “civilization” - and it is forward looking.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

rushncap

Can’t believe I did the contraction vs the possessive in the last post - getting sloppy, there - so back to the other monitor -

Later -

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 24, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

When I lived in Texas we had good politicians. Why they were the best money could buy.

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

bosch@3:19

I don’t know or have any “ilk”. ONCE AGAIN!!! My comment was about Boxer’s statements concerning THE NATIONAL GUARD being in Iraq. I have not read, said or implied anything about Bush setting fires.

DO YOU GET IT NOW? Or will you keep saying something that was NOT said? If you want to insult bloggers the least you can do is to quote them correctly.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Awwww, it’s too hard to debate the idea that you’re not a “hater” just because you don’t support “gay marriage”?

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

RB,

Oh, I get it, so your position is I don’t HATE people, I just do hateful things and justify it by my own version of what is right and wrong and fvck the normal societial mores.

John in Tampa,

No, it seems the rain has pushed on through, but it’s colder, so bring a jacket!

Paul,

Yes, I just hate it when I do that [as I roll my eyes]!

Just kidding.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks Bosch

With all this rain, fires, drought, etc., it makes me think it is almost time for rapture.

I’m just afraid I am going to get passed over, and with as many people that will leave my place I’m afraid I’m going to wind up doing alot more jobs.

For the same pay of course.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You insult bloggers everyday with your presence here.

Read my 3:19 again, and if you need to, go to the Sylvan Learning Centers and get one of their friendly reading specialists to explain it to you.

By Political Pigskin

October 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

What did I just say about myspacing this blog? Dusty says, “I didn’t mean that, you twisted my words”…. RW says, “that’s not what I said”….,

Cant you geniuses see you’re myspacing nonsense? You do this all day long every day.

What the hell is wrong with you. Yo stink up this blog so that it’s useless. You horrid trolls.

Where’s the supervision? Where?

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

I wanted to take this time out to ask a question:

Does it bother any of you that I almost never make a comment? I consider it very convenient to be able to attack undercover. This way I don’t have to engage anyone in debate and I can continue to hide behind my news releases.

If I decide to post a comment, you better believe it will be under one of the several IDs I use, namely, RE.

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Paul - I absolve thee! Hehe, j/k.

Muff, darling, adults are talking. Please wait until it’s kiddy time again, then maybe I’ll speak to you.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

(because we are republicans)(http://bp1.blogger.com/Mh1TZAM-AWU/Rx61HKuH3I/AAAAAAAAAiM/0b5zSkMXyns/s1600-h/myrtleheat.jpg)

By Jill Benson

October 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

If you dont stop posting links which are most likely impregnated with viruses, then I’m reporting you to the blogland security, man.

You chitchatting snips. Just knock it off. Cant you just knock it off?

It’s easy.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By Bosch October 24, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this Dusty, Would you mind to post a link to a news article or anything where Barbara Boxer publically blames Bush for the California wildfires?}}}}}

Oh Mr. Sylvan Learning Center,

Please explain what prompted you to ask Dusty that question @ 10:02? Was it just a blog version of Tourette’s (sp?)or was it in response to where Dusty clearly mentioned that Boxer was whining about the lack of National Guard troops even as the National Guard was rolling into place at 9:31?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Stop it with your hate speech you America-hating, Islamo-facsist sympathizer. Maybe if you quit spending your time pulling for terrorists to win you could find something nice to say. But I sure you’d rather just spend your time supporting Hitlery you leftist, Nazi, Commie scumbag.

Damn, I can’t it when these liberal b******* can’t say anything constructive. Why don’t you take some lessons in civility from Mad as Zell? He is a thoughtful, insightful reasoned conservative. You could learn something from him if you weren’t so busy reading Mein Kampf and the Koran you Muslim Nazi terrorist-sympathizing POS!!!!

RWNJIFG

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Some of you people and your venemous comments are going to make Al Gore sorry he ever invented the internet!!

By RE

October 24, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

nope, ITN is a different person, you can tell because I make it a policy not to hit the puter before 10:00 am.

he does

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

How very flattering to be name-jacked at 4:06.

How paranoid, how fearful do you have to be to consider the posting of news and information an attack?

Pretty sad, eh?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

Please read my 4:06 post. I posted it under my alias “IN THE NEWS”.

RWNJIFG

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

By RE October 24, 2007 3:20 PM

Economic Stagflation to rival Jimmy Carter????

Dow Jones is at nearly 14,000, it’s hightest point in history, and is around 4000 pts higher than when W took office.

Unemployment is at it’s lowest point in 5 years and at 4.6% is negligible.

Inflation is in check.

What are you talking about?? Put down the crack pipe man.

BTW, rushncap. Those are facts. They’re often used to support the positions of people with brains. It keeps illogical people from making foolish decisions about things based on sound bites heard on NPR and MSNBC that can’t be supported by reality. You should try it sometime.

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

bosch @4:01

You make a mistake and then top it off with an insult. You can’t stand to admit you are wrong even when the truth is in writing before you.

So long, bosch. You are one pitiful case.

By Phil

October 24, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Y-y-yeah! Bosch needs to s-s-stop it with the h-h-hate speak cause he’s a Islamo-f-f-fascist s-s-sympathizer!

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG

You are a naughty boy. Good!

You were brilliant at 5:27 yesterday. I am a fan.

I am SPARTUCUS too.

Keep it up!

ITN

By rushncap

October 24, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Done preening yet, RB? No? OK, didn’t think so. Let me know when you are.

By Phil

October 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Y-y-yeah! You are one p-p-pitiful case, B-B-Bosch!

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa,

No problem. If the rapture does happen tonight while your driving, be careful of all those unmanned cars - that could get dangerous!

RW,

That’s sweet that you are taking up for Dusty, but her post prompted me to look for news stories this morning, and the typical neo-con sources all said the same thing, that Boxer was blaming Bush for the wildfires, so I asked her for a link.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

I posted my 4:27 to my alter ID. I figure that I might as well come clean from now on. This hiding behind news release thing is getting pretty boring to me.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Bye Dusty! I’ll miss you!

By liberalextremist

October 24, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Clinton/Richardson 2008.

This election is a shoo-in. Thanks Repubs for your inability to see the forest for the trees when it cames to SCHIP. Many independents will not vote the D side of the ticket. Appreciate you.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Back to wooten’s PF.

Wanker.

They caught cheney sleeping in a meeting again.

Looks like he was nodding on oxy’s, got em from Rush.

Geez.

By Borsch

October 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Y-y-yeah! Bye, D-D-Dusty!

By getalife

October 24, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Stop wanking my boyfriend wanker!

RE(IN THE NEWS) and I are in love.

Leave him alone!!

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Then how about posting one of those “typical neocon sources” that said Boxer was blaming Bush for the fires and also tell us why you tried to imply Dusty was saying that.

By the way, you’re now claiming that Dusty’s post @ 9:31 prompted your search for this news. When you posted at 10:02 you claimed to have been searching all morning and her post wouldn’t have been available for you to see until a few minutes past 9:31.

When you find yourself in a hole you really should quit digging, Bosch.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

I actually prefer this one from a little later yesterday. No response from Luck. Let’s give him another chance:

LuckoDuh,

Thanks for the update on Petreaus. BTW: has he revisited his testimony that he had no idea whether success in Iraq made Americans safer?

You and I know that if we don’t create a Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq we’re all gonna die. We know that because that is what Bush tells us. So has Petreaus caught up with this logic yet? I mean won’t he take his job more seriously if he knows that our nation’s very existence depends upon his success?

Moreover, why should we trust this mission to somebody who is so stupid that he has no idea that success in Iraq is the prerequisite for our nation’s survival? And if he is that dumb, why should we listen to his updates on the war? It seems to me that he has shown himself to be a demonstrable moron simply by not seeing that winning in Iraq is the only thing that will keep us alive.

What are your thoughts on the lead Gen. appointed by the president to oversee this mission not knowing instinctively that success in Iraq makes us safer?

I mean you really only have 3 choices:

1) He’s an idiot 2) He;s right and Iraq has very little to do with our national security 3) Ignore the facts because they aren’t helpful.

I’m guessing that you’ll take #3. All the wingers do. It really is better than confronting reality isn’t it.

Oh I forgot, choice #4 is “he was taken out of context.”

While pondering this question don’t worry that nearly 4,000 US troops have died and over 30,000 have been seriously wounded on the premise that invading Iraq made us safer even though the lead general in charge won’t say that. I mean if you do, you might think, if you have a soul (which I doubt), that you may in part be responsible for these deaths and injuries which have no rational relationship to American security. At least not one which can be discerned by the lead general in charge. I just wouldn’t go there. I’d just wave your flag, close your ears, shut your eyes and scream like a Rhesus monkey while throwing feces until these questions pass. It is the winger defense mechanism which protects us from responsibility for the coffins, the dismemebered limbs, the mutilated faces, the severe brain injuries and the mental trauma suffered by our troops in the defense of what? The good general hasn’t thought about it, right?.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

In The News 3:56

Amazing you can say (with a straight face?) that the mission of the US Dept of Justice, Civil Rights Division, Voting section, is to promote the violation of law. Amazing. Maybe you meant they are putting more emphasis on prosecuting voter fraud?

Let’s see, since 1965 there’s been a heavy emphasis on cases involving traditional “voting rights” with minorities. Many of the career bureaucrats have worked their entire careers on these cases. They’re experts. It’s pretty routine.

Now comes a shift in emphasis. Suddenly, the bureaucrats aren’t experts. They have to learn new concepts, new case law, exert themselves. No kidding they’re ticked.

None of that could be behind these charges? In point of fact - the article’s heavy on innuendo. Government employees are entitled by law for “per diem” when they’re assigned (under certain circumstances) to a work area away from where they’re assigned. The rate is set by locality and covers meals and incidentals. Even on weekends and holidays! Or don’t you want public servants to eat on weekends and holidays?

And for assignment to Boston, if she’d stayed in a hotel it would have cost taxpayers an additional $165 a day. Each day. Did you stop to wonder why people can be encouraged to stay with friends, family, or to seek cheaper lodging? Because it saves money?

It could have been a boondoggle. Or not. That’s what IG investigations are for. But the “report” from the web site was a rather lacking piece of reporting.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article. I.

Section. 1.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Section. 3.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.

No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they sha

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Online Poll:

Which is more cowardly? My hiding behind news releases to avoid confrontation, or my posing as a conservative under the id RWNJIFG?

RWNJIFG

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

George W. Bush Anagrams

He grew bogus Bush ego grew Where bugs go Whose bugger? “W”: he bugs Gore e.g. bug w*******? Ugh! Sewer bog! Bugger, who’s ‘e? Ogre hugs web

Other related anagrams

President George “Dubya” Bush:

Ego upset by greed and hubris

USA President George Bush:

A*…one stupid bugger here! Huge, depressing saboteur

The Republican Party:

Try neat, happier club Buy that pearl, Prince! Entire rat club happy! Aren’t public therapy

By Albert

October 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if this happens to everybody, but for a while now, on my computer screen, the right hand side of the cartoon is cut off, and none of the cartooms make much sense if that happens.

Perhaps a Republican trick? ;)

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 10:30 AM Told ya so}}}}

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Good site Andy, the guy is on the ball.}}}}

Great, we’ve closed the circle and are right back to where this all started at 10:30 this morning, that’s what I love about debating you libs, it keeps me sharp and practiced.

At 10:30 RE said the economy was doomed, I debunked that scare mongering thoroughly, RE made some wild claims, most notably that oil was priced according to the value of the dollar, I gave him a graph of all the world’s currency showing their value compared to the price of oil, he comes back at me with the economy is doomed.

Should I now shine a mirror on the blog so that the reflection will restart the exact same debate without me having to type it all in?

Maybe you could shine a mirror back at me, RE, and then your nonsense will go on for infinity.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

BUSH AND POWELL IN BAR A guy walks in and asks the bartender, “Isn’t that Bush and Powell sitting over there?” The bartender says, “Yep, that’s them.” So the guy walks over and says, “Wow, this is a real honor. What are you guys doing in here?” Bush says, “We’re planning WWIII.” And the guy says, “Really? What’s going to happen?” Bush says, “Well, we’re going to kill 140 million Iraqis this time and one blonde with big t**.” The guy exclaimed, “A blonde with big t**? Why kill a blonde with big t**?” Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, “See, smartass! I told you no one would worry about the 140 million Iraqis!”

By getalife

October 24, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG,

Don’t let these people bother you.

Republicans have nothing better to do than to harass my baby.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

BUSH GETS CODED MESSAGE FROM OSAMA BIN LADEN After numerous rounds of ‘We don’t even know if bin Laden is still alive’, bin Laden decides to send George W. a letter in his own writing to let him know that he is still in the game. Bush opens the letter and sees only a coded message: “370HSSV-0773H”. He can’t figure it out, so he asks Karl Rove. Rove suggests that the head of the CIA would certainly understand code, so Bush sends it to George Tenet. Tenet, however, can’t figure it out, either. He suggests, “How about Condi? She has a doctorate, that means she’s smart.” But Dr. Rice is baffled, too. As Bush is pondering the mysterious message lying on the desk before him, Colin Powell enters the Oval Office. When he sees the paper and reads what is written on it, he asks, “Sir, where did that come from?” Bush replies testily, “Supposedly it’s a message from Osama bin Laden. But what the hell does ‘370HSSV-0773H’ mean?” Powell clears his throat and replies, “Mr. President, I think you’ve been looking at the message upside down.”

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

GEORGE BUSH SPOTS MOSES George Bush was visiting Mubarak in Egypt and they were out in the boondocks and George sees an old man with a white beard and hair in the distance and asks Mubarak, “Isn’t that Moses”? George was so convinced it was Moses that he called out and motioned to the man to come, but the man turned and started walking away. George, being a jogger, ran after him and caught up to him and stopped him and exclaimed, “You MUST be Moses”. The man replied, “Go away, the last time I talked to a bush, I had to roam the desert for 40 years.”

By RB from Gwinnett

October 24, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

BUSH AT THE PEARLY GATES Einstein dies and goes to heaven. At the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter tells him, “You look like Einstein, but you have NO idea the lengths that some people will go to sneak into Heaven. Can you prove who you really are?” Einstein ponders for a few seconds and asks, “Could I have a blackboard and some chalk?” Saint Peter snaps his fingers and a blackboard and chalk instantly appear. Einstein proceeds to describe with arcane mathematics and symbols his theory of relativity. Saint Peter is suitably impressed. “You really ARE Einstein!” he says. “Welcome to heaven!” The next to arrive is Picasso. Once again, Saint Peter asks for credentials. Picasso asks, “Mind if I use that blackboard and chalk?” Saint Peter says, “Go ahead.” Picasso erases Einstein’s equations and sketches a truly stunning mural with just a few strokes of chalk. Saint Peter claps. “Surely you are the great artist you claim to be!” he says. “Come on in!” Then Saint Peter looks up and sees George W. Bush. Saint Peter scratches his head and says, “Einstein and Picasso both managed to prove their identity. How can you prove yours?” George W. looks bewildered and says, “Who are Einstein and Picasso?” Saint Peter sighs and says, “Come on in, George.”

By RE

October 24, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

debunked?

how do you figure, you linked to one article that shows the value of oil vs foriegn currency, and it shows that the price increases are seen more in US dollars than in other currencies. Then I link back a quote from your own website link where that analyst says we are heading for stagflation with no real way out.

What the hell are you talking about?

By Dusty

October 24, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)@4:41

Thanks for clarifying matters. Not that bosch will stop posting whatever suits his liberal leanings at the time.

Anyway, I’ll be right here blogging anytime it suits my fancy and I will ignore ol’ bosch the bonehead. (He will never ever get a taste of my Manischevitz and fruitcake. How’s that for revenge??)

By Paul

October 24, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG 4:48

Regarding your questions about Gen Petraeus, what he knows or instinctively knows, etc etc.

General officers aren’t given to speculating in official forums on areas outside their assignment. You can find the duties and responsibilities with which he is charged in his current assignment. I doubt if it states “your actions in this assignment are to make the US safer.” I rather imagine it is more concerned with duties in Iraq.

That was really a political question designed to embarrass Gen Petraeus or the Administration. There is a nebulous, theoretical answer (“of course. The mission of the US Army is to defend the US and make us safe”) but that wasn’t the gist of the question.

The fact he paused when he did should have been a clue he wasn’t glib or a marionette for the administration, else he would have answered “yes!.”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Online Poll:

Which is more fun:

trying to change the minds of people who don’t have them, or

making fun of people in the most annoying and enjoyable way possible?

As for me I’m gonna go with the latter.

As I have said before, if certain people that post here grow a brain and try to have constructive dialogue that attempts to understand the true values that America stands for, and if they try to promote ideas that are not based in prejudice, fear or ignorance and if those positions are framed upon actual rather than made up facts, and those ideas are promoted such that it is clear that they are thinking of the greater good of us all then I will quit posting here as it would be pointless. I do recognize that while both sides of the equation have their ignorant polemists, there does seem to be more of them on one side than the other.

In the meantime, however, as long as certain people say things that are stupid, untrue, hypocritical or just downright insane, I will continue to call you out in my own special way. Why? Because I have a lot of fun doing it. I don’t care what you think about it. I don’t care if it makes any of you stop and think about how stupid I’ve made you look. I do it because I can and its fun. I have noticed that my targets magically disappear soon after my challenges, which I find most rewarding. Those who are victims of my attacks are outmanned and you know it. So you run and you whine but you never respond or defend. Because you know that you’ll be made even a bigger fool than you were before.

So there you have it. A challenge. Stand up to me. I want you to. Make an argument about why I’m wrong and you are right. Please. Or you can continue to be wussies. It doesn’t matter because I’m not stopping until you change your ways or disappear. Either way, I don’t give a damn.

RWNJIFG

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 5:11 PM What the hell are you talking about?}}}}

O.K. RE, since you obviously do not have any more original ideas, how about if I lead and you follow?

Isn’t it rather interesting that the United States gets a democrat controlled Congress and the value of the dollar immediately plummets but the Europeans start electing wingnuts and the value of their currency sky rockets?

And since I think you live in the United States, tell me, after you shed all of your dollars for Euros, when you go and exchange them back so that you can buy milk and cheese and such, haven’t you undercut your own purchasing power? Isn’t that just like a lib, it is inbred into them that they hate the United States so much that they have to undermine for what ever reason they can find.

Weird, isn’t it?

By RE

October 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I think you are correct about the scope of Petraeus’s work, but could you imagine Eisenhower having any hesitation if the same question were asked of him?

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Cutting Bosch off from the Manischevitz and fruitcake just isn’t neighborly. The thinner we can spread that stuff the better.

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Maybe I need to explain who I am, and how I came to be the king of all blogs and the number one chatroom chitchatter in the world. This is going to be painful but I think I owe everyone this much about me:

I was raised during the age of aquarius by two leos and a capricorn in the year of the rat. Early on I developed an immunity to prickly heat, so my mother only changed my diaper once in the four years of my weaning. I was prepubescent during my post-adolescence so when I streaked basketball games in middle school most people thought I was wearing a chia pet and thus was never prosecuted. I was the first to categorize my wet dreams into animal, vegetable, and mineral. I schooled myself in the different ways to fake en passant in chess games and I invented three fail-safe methods for cheating at hop scotch.

Shall I continue, or is my life too much a horror for this blog’s tender sensibilities?

By RE

October 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Andy

Ok, my gut reaction is that you are a complete idiot, especially since you went to the political election effecting the currency idea.

But I refuse to believe you are a complete idiot, I am quite sure there ae many things that you actually are informed on. Economics isn’t one of them.

Fine you win, the economy is strong, we have a strong dollar, the national debt doesn’t matter, budget deficiets can be run indefintely, and raising taxes doesn’t bring in more dollars to pay down the debt. Oh, and china will never stop buying US debt, even though it is losing value rapidly.

you win

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Paul takes choice #4. Congrats. The whole thing was taken out of context.

Let me ask you this then. If Petreaus had been thinking about his responsibilities in Iraq at all wouldn’t he have considered the issue? I mean the guy has been over there for nearly 5 years. Don’t you think that he has framed, at least in his own head, what the mission was about?

Can you imagine Ike standing before any audience anywhere and being asked: Does defeating the Nazis make us safer?

“Well, I haven’t really thought about that. That seems to me to be some sort of tricky political question.”

I really doubt it. My guess is that he would have looked at the questioner as if he were f*******-i-n-g insane. Which is what you would expect when the answer is so clear.

My point is that at a minimum it isn’t clear to Gen Petreaus which either makes him a fool or the administration a bunch of liars. Which is it Paul? Since I know Bush always tells the truth, I just assume that the General must be an idiot.

RWNJIFG

By Sharon Bailey

October 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Oh Please blog more about yourself, Analchord. We had no idea you had such a weird childhood. You owe us the rest. How did you turn out so…..so…….you know.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

RE 5:28

I think a more appropriate example might have been, if, during questioning by Republican Senators, he was asked “did the training exercise involving live landings conducted in inclement weather off the eastern coast of England, prior to the Normandy landings, which resulted in the loss of 800 soldiers’ lives make America safer?”

I do think this is different than committee members asking for a candid assessment - as long as the officers involved are speaking on the scope of their responsibilities. Not in response to a carefully crafted script designed to embarrass others. That’s been the source of my angst with some of the book tour generals - they were in positions to raise red flags, step forward, challenge the “wisdom” - and didn’t.

RWNJIFG 5:27

[[Make an argument about why I’m wrong and you are right.]]

Is this a variation of “you’re either with us or against us”? A rather contagious concept, isn’t it?

So, every issue, every policy, every proposal, every strategy is a matter of “right” and “wrong?” Frankly, I find that mindset a bit scary - but it does seem to be all the rage these days.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG 5:40

Interesting world of absolutes or dual exclusives, there.

Generals have to be respectful of elected officials. It’s the law. Violating it carries penalties.

Given that Gen Petraeus had a specific strategy he was implementing, and given he was familiar with the myriad factors necessary to effect the strategy, I’d say he had a pretty fair idea of what his responsibility is.

Would accomplishing his task, with the resultant lessening of civilian and military casualties, make America safer? Rather a weak question, don’t you think? Would it help create an environment for the Iraqis to improve their incompetent, corrupt government? Probably. If they choose to use the opportunity. But I don’t think the “surge” was designed to make the Iraqi government more competent.

See where this is going? Especially for a guy who, I think, isn’t used to playing for an audience, getting votes and trumpeting how wonderful he is? You may think him an idiot. I think he has a way of conducting himself many of the Washington partisan political mindset may find a bit foreign.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

“He will never ever get a taste of my Manischevitz and fruitcake. How’s that for revenge”

OOhh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

RW,

Fox News for one and a couple of blogs. I really did search a good bit this morning about that. Okay, maybe I overexagerated the “all morning” part, I’ll concede that.

The funny thing is that I wouldn’t doubt for a second that Boxer said that, which I explained at 3:19. That’s why I was looking it up.

I just thought Dusty would know of another neo-con site. That’s all, I guess you just misunderstood. Your chivalry is touching, really, it is.

I questioned her reading comprehension abilities because of her response to my 11:01 post.

Since Dusty is going to ignore me from now on, would you mind passing this on to her for me?

Thanks.

By RE

October 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Paul:

what was actually asked was;

“Republican Senator John Warner asked General David Petraeus whether the current strategy in Iraq ‘will make America safer.’”

Petraeus: “I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq.”

Warner repeated: “Does that make America safer?”

Petraeus: “I don’t know, actually.”

Nothing about training exercises or democratic senators. Not partisan or scripted. A simple question, is what we are doing in Iraq making america safer. And a simple answer, I don’t know.

By Luckoduh

October 24, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE October 24, 2007 5:39 PM Fine you win, the economy is strong, we have a strong dollar, the national debt doesn’t matter, budget deficiets can be run indefintely, and raising taxes doesn’t bring in more dollars to pay down the debt. Oh, and china will never stop buying US debt, even though it is losing value rapidly.}}}}

RE: I know that was sarcastic but if we take it the way we know that you meant it, it sounds just like some lib said it back in the Reagan era.

How much longer do you think we’ll have to wait before it all comes true?

And the idiot charge is rather audacious coming from someone who started the day advising people to sell low and buy high, although you seem to have gotten the message through to mm, that idiot must be at the Euro store.

And if you think the rumblings in the pinko Congress about raising taxes by a trillion dollars, doing nothing with the AMT and then spending it all on health care for people that don’t even live in America, has no effect on currency value, well, I guess.

It’s your money.

By getalife

October 24, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Oh geez blowhard.

He is just a freaking idiot way over his head so listens to cheney.

He broke the government and destroyed our country.

Get real.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Hey Name Jacker -

Know what the best thing about getting name jacked is?

The deep personal satisfaction I have knowing that I got to YOU.

Hey all you marvelous lefties -

I’ll buy the first round!

(True moderates - I’ll pay half)

I’m A Liberal

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Sharon, this is very hard for me. Try to bear with me. I’ll continue:

I was home schooled, but it was a student exchange program, so I spent the entire seventh grade on the Concorde. I made a habit early on of returning all my library books in early so that, through the miracle of compounding, there’s a city in New Jersey that owes me $37,549.42. I did my doctoral work on the pre-natal implications of post-humous awards. I made my first million by marketing imprinted instructions on rolls of toilet paper. My second million came easily when I was contracted to pinch loaves for bakeries.

Well, that’s about it. I hope this vindicates me.

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

House hits 1,000 vote mark. Today, the House held a record 1,000th vote of the year, “extending the previous record of 942 votes in a year set in 1978.” Last year, GOP-led 109th Congress held just 543 votes.

By RE

October 24, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

the surge was designed to make the iraqi government more competent

President Bush 1/10/2007

This new strategy will not yield an immediate end to suicide bombings, assassinations, or IED attacks. Our enemies in Iraq will make every effort to ensure that our television screens are filled with images of death and suffering. Yet over time, we can expect to see Iraqi troops chasing down murderers, fewer brazen acts of terror, and growing trust and cooperation from Baghdad’s residents. When this happens, daily life will improve, Iraqis will gain confidence in their leaders, and the government will have the breathing space it needs to make progress in other critical areas.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

ITN,

That’s great! The house voted 1,000 times! Can you name 1 thing they’ve accomplished?

By Sharon Bailey

October 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Well, that does explain much, Analchord, except it was too much info. There’s other people on the blog with even weirder childhoods than you. Like myself, for instance. Did you know that I spent one entire summer lip reading Holler Back Girls? My dad told me that I only had to know how to kill my own spiders to be a real woman. My role models were the Fruit of the Loom guys. I once snatched victory from the jaws of defeat when I simultaneously gave the international sign of surrender and crossed the international dateline. My parents were X-gen Y-bothers who predicted three of the four comebacks of a dance craze called the twist.

See what I mean? It’s not just you. it’s everyone. We all have pain, and backgrounds to overcome. So get lost.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

RE

Thanks for the source quote. I love those.

Let me speculate for a bit. Gen Petraeus was before Congress to provide a report. Here’s what I was tasked to do. Here’s what we did. Here’s why we did it. Here’s objective one. Here’s what happened in region a, b and c.

Quite analytic. My impression is it’s the way they’re used to doing things. Then along comes a theoretical question. Don’t get me wrong - many of these guys handle theory all day long - look at the courses they take for their advanced degrees and the papers they write.

Given that, just look at the leap from question one to question two. Will the current STRATEGY (not shouting, here, just emphasis) make America safer? I imagine he thought “huh?” “My strategy is to surge N troops into areas x y and z, strike alliances with Sunni tribal leaders, effect a continuing presence in ares we clear of insurgents…. will meeting these objectives make America safer?”

I can see a disconnect going on. Trying to understand what the Senator meant - as the question was on a higher level than strategy. Sen Warner is ex military, isn’t he? Ex Sec of the Navy or some such? He knows the distinctions.

The second question was a better followup. I trust it was an honest answer. Maybe one of resignation - just think of the political hay both sides would have made for either an absolute “yes” or “no” response. I suppose he realizes not many things he deals with are so simple, so absolute, that they can be answered with a yes or no.

Kind of leads one back to the abysmal military and diplomatic planning for after the statue was pulled down, doesn’t it? (you others ready to quote Gen Zinni on what a genius he was and he just wasn’t allowed to write a good plan… please….)

So maybe, just maybe, those who think “Western” Democracy isn’t possible for tribal, religiously dominated, human rights deprived societies are right? If so, things look really lousy for Iran. And for us.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Paging Harry Reid.

Does global warming cause arson?

By Real Liberal News Network

October 24, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Domestic-Eco-Terrorist-Fascists arson suspects generally fit the following profile. Please be on the look out.

White, male, angry, Republican, closeted, racist, Christian, probably blogs a lot.

Please, if you recognize the arson suspect, don’t worry about taking him under custody. These people are usually cowards that hide under their beds most of the day blogging about Islamo-terrorists and are no threat to do you bodily harm.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Heh. Speaking of the CBS news report that kinda blows Harry Reid’s theory, Drudge reports this little bit of propaganda:

{{{CNN MEMO: USE FIRES TO ‘PUSH’ ‘PLANET IN PERIL’ SERIES; DON’T ‘IRRESPONSIBLY’ TIE TO GLOBAL WARMING Thu Oct 18 2007 14:11:42 ET

According to notes from CNN’s Monday news meeting network president Jon Klein tells employees to use the California fire tragedy to “push” their “Planet in Peril” special, but warns reporters not to “irresponsibly link” the fires to “Global Warming.”}}}

By Analchord

October 24, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Hard to get happy after that one!

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Please link to the Fox News story that claimed Boxer said the fires were Bush’s fault. I know you libs believe all that BS about Fox but it isn’t true.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Paul and RE,

Do you honestly think that we will take this into Iran?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

On right and wrong:

Simply because there are choices and different viewpoints, it does not follow that there are “grays” in life. There is a right and wrong answer to almost every question in life. As such I am a moral absolutist. This does not mean that all right answers are apparent at the time a decision is made because there are so many unknowns in any endeavor. However, many times people, leaders, etc. act wrongly in the face of known facts for which they should be held account. If you really think about it you will see that there is always a right and a wrong answer. If life were otherwise it would certainly be unfair to be judged on judgment day based on judgment calls wouldn’t it?

Good and evil are known to man. It is written on our hearts by our Creator. We always have a choice. The only people who don’t know right from wrong are infants, the insane and the sociopathic.

The only moral question that I know of that has no good answer, from a policy perspective, is the right to choose/right to life issue.

Assuming the mother’s life is not an issue is it wrong to have an abortion? Yes.

With th esame assumption, is it wrong to participate in performing an abortion? Yes.

Should it be illegal to have/perform an abortion? There is where it gets tricky. Should the state step in and say “you must carry this child to term?” That seems to me to be a little authoritarian for a free society as in most cases I think people ought to be free to do what they like so long as they don’t hurt anyone. So then the question is, is the fetus a victim that the law ought to recognize? Again a very troubling question. We don’t have funerals for miscarrages. We don’t have autopsies for miscarraiges. If you put the fetus on par with a born person would a miscarraige have to be reported to the police? Should the police investigate to see if any negligent or reckless conduct resulted in the death: drinking, drugs, not seeking adequate medical care etc…? As you can see this is the one area that the answers are almost impossible to find.

Other than this one isolated question, I do not agree that right and wrong are a mystery or that there is any need for debate on right and wrong. When honest and decent people pick the wrong course of action it is because they are misinformed, short-sighted, lack moral charecter e

By Paul

October 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

RE 6:09

Which is why I expressed success would give the incompetent, corrupt Iraqi government the opportunity. But that is something outside of General Petraeus’ control. Rather like a college instructor providing afterclass appointments, tutoring, etc and getting a bunch of students who don’t attend class, or attend and play on their Blackberries, don’t do homework then complain about failing. Then the parents berate the instructor rather than their little darling.

By RE

October 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I think when america goes to war, the simple question of “does this make america safer” should be easy to answer. If it isn’t maybe we shouldn’t go to war.

This applies to Iran as well, I just hope there are enough people out there who will not be fooled again.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

This is part of what is called the Cascade Effect. One person peddles a groundless but tantalizing theory, and before you know it, it’s true!

CNN pushes the “planet in peril” talking point that CBS was hawking and ups the ante by predicting 100 years of fires on the horizon.

Anyone want to lay any bets as to who sent out the original “Planet in peril” memo to the MSM, or was it just a coincidence?

By IN THE NEWS

October 24, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

BUY DANISH,

Why should I bother answering a question you’ll deride anyway? You waste my time.

You are not worth a black and blue toe.

I know I have been there.

Yes, Buy Danish the results of the 2006 election are not “Liber-al-la-pal-looza”.

Yes. Buy Danish, I would prefer to be in the situation where we we at the penalty phase of the war crimes trials of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

But guess what, Buy Danish?

The 110th voted more times than the 109th.

We try harder.

By RE

October 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I think so, GWB will push for it, probably airstrikes as there are no groundforces to commit. If he does not, Gulianni will if elected.

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

That’s called marketing. I guess CNN is desperate for people to watch. I watched some of Planet in Peril last night and was disappointed. The part I saw was a collection of previously aired segments.

It’s not any good.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The General has had plenty of time to clarify and hasn’t. It seems that he has a disconnect in his own mind. He is not buying the Iraq makes us safer line, pure and simple. This thinking is in line with the vast majority of the American people who are too stupid to realize the necessity of the mission. It seems that 3 out 4 people in the country think that whether we win or lose will have little effect on our long term safety. Further, many of these people have given up and beleive that winning (creating a stable pro-western democracy) is simply not doable. Further, many of these Americans say that they didn’t have to have these last 4.5 years to understand the futility of the mission. Some of these people thought that doing what we have done would cost too much and gain too little. In fact, many of these people thought that it would only strengthen the hand of the Iranians.

I know, they are idiots right?

RWNJIFG

By Paul

October 24, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Bosch 6:27

I think we’ve seen the last commitment of ground forces to extended campaigns in the Middle East for a long, long time. I’m hedging - hits against insurgents along the Iran border is a possibility - no more Cambodian sanctuaries as in VietNam.

RWNJIFG 6:27

Well, that explains the different viewpoints, doesn’t it? I see grays all day long. About the only absolute I see is to treat others like you’d like to be treated. And even that is problematic.

But in foreign policy, the topic of many discussions, we’re speaking of national interests. Options, courses of action, cover a range of “good” and “bad.” Interests that may carry risks or penalties for some, rewards for others.

I not only agree that the best course of action isn’t always apparent at the outset, I’ll also say that the objectives, desirable outcomes and actions to get “there” change as actions are carried out.

So, I see a lot in terms of “lousy” answer, “better” answer, “best known now.” Other things are clearly “right” and “wrong.” Some issues have, I think, clearly absolute, correct options. But many others don’t.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Newsbusters transcript of CBS morning News segment.

HARRY SMITH: And a fire chief says it’s ‘the absolute truth. With more air resources, we would have been able to control this. Early this Wednesday morning, October 24th, 2007.

SMITH: 7,000 firefighters working round the clock are overwhelmed. Virtually every fire engine in the state, some from 800 miles away, are on hand to do battle. And with all that, there’s still not enough help.

FIRE CHIEF CHIP PRATHER: It is an absolute fact, had we had more air resources, we would have been able to control this fire.

CRYING WOMAN: We did what we could, there’s just no fire engines here. There’s no fire engines. We’ve got lots of friends, but no fire engines. There’s the flames, really big, big flames.

SMITH: After a special request from Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Department of Defense sent six Air Force and Air National Guard planes to help with the fight. Most of these planes carry about 3,000 gallons of water. A new supertanker, one that carries 21,000 gallons and distributes it over a much wider area, is currently being tested. It’s also faster and safer. But it won’t be certified in time to fight these devastating wildfires. I’ll tell you, resources is a big part of this story as we were with firefighters all night last night. We heard the radio crackling all night long. We need more help over here, we need more help over there. People were trying to take a nap. They woke people up and said we need more help over here. There are just not enough planes, there’s not enough people, there’s not enough equipment. That’s how big this story is. Now, let’s go to Bill Whitaker who’s in Lake Arrowhead, another place where the fire is burning out of control. Good morning, Bill.

BILL WHITAKER: Despite the devastation, firefighters were optimistic they can win this battle.

FIREFIGHTER: It’s got a lot of potential, but if we get the resources, we’ll be able to put it to bed.

and so forth…

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

So it was a coincidence that CBS and CNN decided to call it “Planet in peril”?

No one fed them talking points on this?

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Democrats haven’t been in power in the House since 1994. They had a whole bunch of buildings to rename, thus the 1,000 votes.

By GodHatesTrash

October 24, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Too bad these fires aren’t in Georgia, rather than California.

Instead of billions of dollars in property damage, we’d be talking hundreds.

Of course, Sonny Perdoofus could advertise it as the “World’s Biggest Trash Fire”…

Ya’ll come!

Trash.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Here’s another Newsbusters recap.

California Wildfires: Media Blame Another Natural Disaster on Bush

As they conclude, you can’t make this stuff up!

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

RW,

It was a video:

Guess which senator is blaming the California wildfires on Bush?

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

RW,

I don’t think they’re going to be in power much longer, but then again, I’m an optimist.

By Paul

October 24, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

RE 6:28

Yeah, I’ll agree with that. War’s pretty serious business. But that line of reasoning rather sticks in the craw of those who want to employ the military in actions, call them humanitarian or peacekeeping, not “war.”

On Iran, I’m still bothered by the story of the boy who cried wolf. He was wrong, and wrong and wrong. And when he was right - he got eaten.

RWNJ 6:37

When I wrote earlier of the chances for any kind of nonauthoritian, secular (or limited religious) government, responding to the will of the people (if the will is authoritarian we need to have another discussion), respectful of the individual - and I ended with a bleak outlook for Iran - I did mean Iran, not Iraq.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Is congress being run by Code Pink?

If so, is that a plan to get re-elected?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

I think all of this Iran talk needs to be put to rest. We are not attacking Iran, period. The GOP is going to make Iran scary so that we elect the guy most likely to bomb them and then we won’t bomb them. The reason is simple. If we bomb Iran you have regional assymetric warfare and missles going off throughout our US bases in Iraq as well as Tel Aviv. Israel gets involved and people pick sides. Oil goes through the roof the economy tanks and we’re further up Shiite creek than we can even imagine. In addition, the GOP knows that they will never get support for a draft that would be necessary to have the ability to respond to Iran’s retaliation.

You are being manipulated. You are being frightened. You are being used. The idea is to create a bogeyman in Iran so scary that the American people will not elect a president who promises not to bomb Iran as the base of the Democratic party will insist on.

The question for 2008 will be: who will bomb Iran to prevent it from having a nuke? The GOP will say yes and won’t. The Dems will say no and won’t as well.

The only question remaining is whether the American people are dumb enough to fall for it again. My guess is that we can count on it.

The Iranians will go nuclear and will remain nuclear until we get the hell out of the way and let Israel handle it and take the fallout.

Ironically, the Iranians are taking advantage of our presence in Iraq. “Why do we need a nuke? To keep the Americans from invading. Why will be able to continue the process until we have one? Because American troops are close enough for us to hit.”

If we weren’t in Iraq we’d have already bombed the hell out of Iran. Further, they’d be scared to death of us. Our futility in Iraq and the lack of public support for the war or a draft is doing nothing but stregthening them.

But, for a winger like me it makes for winning politics so what the hell.

RWNJIFG

By Paul

October 24, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

RE - RWNJIFG

Interesting discussion, some revealing lines of thought. Thanks.

G’night, all -

By Bosch

October 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Paul and RE,

I really hope we aren’t that stupid.

Buy Danish,

I don’t know. All I know is that it’s a bad series. There was a better show on the Science Channel the other night narrated by Tom Brokaw (can’t remember the name).

RW,

Forgot to add - like I said earlier, I wouldn’t have doubted for a second that Boxer did indeed say that.

Good night all! Dinner awaits!

By getalife

October 24, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Yep, this election cycle’s boogie man is Iran.

Too bad she ruined their plan by warmongering.

Bwahahaha, better bring your A game.

The Clintons are wicked smart.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 24, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Name any question that you think you don’t know what the right and wrong answer is and I’ll help you out.

I think one disconnect that we might have is that I’m speaking of right and wrong from a moral perspective rather than a “God doesn’t exist so what’s the best thing for me” point of view. If you take the latter approach almost anything can be “gray.” However, if you take the moral approach then the answers are actually quite easy and obvious.

Let me give you an example:

Assume that you have 2 sons. You and they are tied up at gunpoint and the man with the gun says: “Pick one son to live or you all die.” (Obvioulsy you have to believe that he will let 2 of you go for this to work so make that assumption.) What do you do? From a “God doesn’t exist what’s best for me” perspective you sit there and determine the relative value of each child and you make a very tough choice. If you look at it from a moral perspective as I do, you simply say: “kill us all.”

Once you understand that then you will understand what I’m getting at.

By GodHatesTrash

October 24, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Bi Danish, gather up some of your moron friends and some gasoline cans - start setting fires in Georgia - see if you can get one to take out a few hundred thousand acres.

Given all the stumpbroke illiterate maniacs in Georgia, if arson was the problem, Georgia would be a smoking ash pile.

Trash.

By RW-(the original)

October 24, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Didn’t I mention that when you found yourself in a hole to stop digging?

The video you want to make believe says that Fox News is reporting that Barbara Boxer said the fires were Bush’s fault is laughable.

For starters it’s a one minute opinion piece and very clearly labeled as one. It doesn’t mention Boxer until the last few seconds and when it does it quotes her the very same way Dusty and I quoted her. It says Boxer said that if the National Guard wasn’t in Iraq they would be here to fight the fire and the graphic on screen says she is politicizing the fires which she clearly was.

For the life of me I can’t figure out how people with your limited mental capacity can manage to type a blog post, much less take it to your level where you, with a barely functioning brain, call others idiots on a daily basis.

By Buy Danish

October 24, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

The award for the most shameless pandering from a Dem goes to… Chrissie Dodd!

{{{“As you know, Governor Schwarzenegger has had to ask other states for help because so many of California’s National Guard, who provide critical support to the citizens while you are fighting the fires, were deployed to Iraq.}}}

In a Dodd Administration, never again will our houses be on fire because our troops are taking fire in Iraq.

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