Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Since you remember the Rudolph trial and you chastise Buy Danish for not remembering it I’d really love to hear the details.

My wife was on the witness and here’s a hint for you. You’re going to have a really tough time finding any trial coverage.

Mrs. G,

You really think the majority of this country wants Congress to stand in front of the world and proclaim that our President wants kids heads to be blown off for his own amusement?

I hope more sickos like you get out and loudly campaign for Democrats.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

about Mitt Romney, Confucius say, “Candidate with no waistband turn country into wasteland.”

By Paul

October 19, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

@@

It was mentioned earlier to examine the advisors the candidates. First Sandy Berger (not just the documents episode - the entire view of how to deal with jihadists) and now this.

Full circle? The more things change, the more they remain the same.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

That’s witness {{{LIST}}}

Sheesh…

By Craig

October 19, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Uhh Shawny, yeah “Billy boy” did try to take out Osama on at least two occasions. And of copurse the treasonous Republicans - and their acolytes in talk radio - screamed to high heaven that he was only doing it because of Monica.

John in Tampa, keep posting - this place needs some humor.

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Good morning Paul,

I don’t think churches are universal. Doctrine, maybe more so, but doctrine should, in my opinion, change with cultural change. To paraphrase Spong, we created God in our own image, not the other way around. The people who wrote the Bible thought the sky was blue and the Earth was flat.

As we evolve as a society, scripture interpretation should change as well. No, not on a whim, but under careful examination. Just like in politics, if you believe everything on one particular platform, I think you aren’t very smart - same with religion - in my opinion, you shouldn’t take every bit of the canon at face value. I think many times, people use religion and scripture to justify the way they think, which I think is dangerous.

My basic belief system of what is right and wrong is based on experience and culture norms and mores, not scripture. Sometimes the issue of what is right and wrong get conflicted, but that’s how we evolve.

I personally have a problem with anyone telling me what to believe or how to believe - especially someone from a totally different culture from where I live.

Some people don’t have those same issues because they fundamentally believe the same thing. The parishes that are breaking away from their particular diocese have the same views as the African bishops (I won’t use the other word so as to not offend the ignorant), and if that’s what they want, then fine.

If not already, I think many churches (I really mean denominations) will eventually face the same kind of issues, at least I hope they do, not because of the turmoil the Episcopal church is facing, but because I think that is how you grow.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Still waiting for the Hillary accomplishments… Anything?

By Republican big, Big, BIG Government

October 19, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Elephant: A mouse built to Republican government specifications.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

about @@, Confucius say, “Horndog who see phallic nose is waste of panty hose.”

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Craig,

Here’s how hard Billy Jeff tried to get Osama

He wouldn’t even take the guy when offered on a silver platter, but you be a good little moonbat and just keep making up your history as you go.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Still waiting for the Hillary accomplishments… Anything?

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

RW, I’m not chastising Buy Danish, Rudolph HAD A TRIAL - I don’t care about the details. He had legal representation, and was convicted of horrible crimes and sent to prison where he belongs.

That’s the way our legal system works in this country, if you are accused of a crime, you have the right to legal counsel, and stand trial for those crimes.

Remember the Constitution?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, and apparently so do most people.

Pete Stark went all “Harry Truman” on the floor.

Spine is making a comeback.

Good for him!

Good for the USA!

Oh and by the way, any time you have to resort to calling me a name - I am delighted.

RW, my brother, have a good day!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

ANSWER:

Idaho Potato Brad Pitt George W. Bush

By Buy Danish

October 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

{{I believe in the death penalty, which Rudolph and his comrade Ted, the Unibomber, should have got.}}

Bosch,

Comrade?

Are you implying that Rudolph and Ted Kazinscki shared an ideology or that they are friends?

You know Ramsi Yousef is in the slammer with them too. Is he also a “comrade”?

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’ve got to run out, but Rudolph did NOT have a trial. See if you can prove me wrong?

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 19, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

QUESTION:

Name a spud, a stud and a dud

By @@

October 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 10:05:

(((Full circle? The more things change, the more they remain the same.)))

I’m gonna use ^^^ that to respond to Bosch’s 10:13…

(((As we evolve as a society, scripture interpretation should change as well.)))

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

He doesn’t change for us Bosch, we change for him.

By Shawny

October 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

RB…come on, now…she is a transplant New Yorker and a junior senator. Don’t you know that the osmosis from being first lady makes her uniquely qualified to run the United States?

Might just be the first senator to become president since JFK.

Huckabee ‘08

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Comic relief - I hope

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn’t Want You to Know

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

35 Terrific Reasons Why You Should Have a Good Day & an Early Happy Weekend.

By Buy Danish

October 19, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

{{{By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Still waiting for the Hillary accomplishments… Anything? }}}

RB,

She has 35 years experience controlling Bimbo eruptions!

By Buy Danish

October 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

{{{By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, and apparently so do most people.}}}

Keep on truckin’ with that delusion! The American people are getting a very clear picture of what the Democratic Party represents and it’s not pretty.

By Republican big, Big, BIG Government

October 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Transportation Security Administration is trying to smuggle mock explosive devices through security gates of all US airports every day in order to keep its personnel alert, officials said.

But citing a confidential report, USA Today newspaper noted Thursday that at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport, screeners missed about 60 percent of hidden bomb materials that were packed in everyday carry-on bags. Screeners at Los Angeles International Airport missed about 75 percent of simulated explosives and bomb parts that planted by TSA testers, according to the report.

Makes it pretty easy to see straight through the damnable LIE that Republican Fatherland Security measures have been responsible for keeping us safe since 9/11, doesn’t it? Like everything else Republican, just another big, fat, steaming crock of Bushshit.

All the Republican jack-boots have done with their fear-mongering is find more inventive ways to steal big, Big, BIG warbucks from the american taxpayer so they can give their good ole buddies in big, Big, BIG business and big, Big, BIG government another corporate welfare big, Big, BIG free-ride and big, Big, BIG hand-out!

So, big, Big, BIG business people expand big, Big, BIG government. What a surprise, surprise, surprise!!!

By Paul

October 19, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Bosch 10:13

Your first two sentences summed it up. Thanks.

I suppose a difference is the way one views “doctrine.” I take a pretty restrictive view - one doesn’t need many digits to list the points. Much of what I hear discussed as “doctrine” is, in my mind, based upon cultural literalness. The scripture interpretation part. Noah as literal, or symbolic? Lot’s wife as a pillar of salt, or representative of not turning away from evil and stopping growth? People can take different views of those things, interpret them differently. No problem. But those are not fundamental issues.

That’s why I listed the view of God. Or the applicability of the Ten Commandments, or the Beatitudes. Or baptism. Or the role of the eucharist. Those strike me as pretty basic, not cultural at all. Whoever repeats it, and where they live, strike me as not an issue. Didn’t Jesus meet the same early on? “Who is this guy with these teachings? He’s from Nazareth!”

So I think the items labeled “doctrine” are pretty few and basic. Rather like a foundation, walls and roof. All the trappings are the cultural item. The consternation arises when people say “take out the walls (doctrine) - they don’t matter” or “the color and style of the furniture (culture) are how we are defined. We just gotta have purple chairs.”

Interesting perspective towards the end of your post. Those parishes “breaking away” are those trying to maintain tradition, while those who remain with the traditional title are changing the fundamentals.

But the good part is, everyone is free to seek their own way. Individualism as a defining aspect of Western Civilization. Thank Heavens!

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

RW, You know what, I’m not going to argue with you today. What did he do? Plea deal? He went through the legal system of our country, did he not? He was sentenced by a judge.

I know that RW is just trying to trip me up so he can somehow feel superior, why do I bother?

I’m sure that since your wife was on the witness list, you, like everything else, know everything there is to know about this case.

So, go ahead, tell us all that happened.

RW,

I don’t really care to proove you wrong, one way or the other, okay?
Just speak your mind, get your little superiority fix, and move along.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 19, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it ironic the same letters you use to spell vote also spell veto?

By Line

October 19, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Sen Craig now claims he tapped his foot in morse code to signal the attendant that his stall was short of paper. taptaptap…taaaptaaaptaaap…tapatapatap….(SOL)

I looked it up. He mispelled sandpaper. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t past the smell test…..ew.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Delusion, RW?

Methinks not.

By Republican big, Big, BIG Government

October 19, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

LONDON (AFP) - Oil prices soared to another record high above 90 dollars per barrel amid global supply jitters and tensions between Turkey and crude producer Iraq, dealers said Friday.

At least SOMEONE is getting something outta the big, Big, BIG government Republican FAILURE in camel land.

Course big, Big, BIG business was who was always supposed to get something outta Iraq all along.

big, Big, BIG business yields big, Big, BIG Republican government and big, Big, BIG Republican government protects big, Big, BIG business. Who woulda ever guessed?

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

@@,

That’s fine if you believe that, I respect that, I don’t, and you should respect that too.

Paul,

For one thing, I am a HORRIBLE example for any traditional Christian to follow along. Please do not EVER use my beliefs as what the church believes.

I don’t see it that way, the ones who are remaining with the traditional title are not necessarily changing the fundamentals or the foundation, they are using the traditions and “fundamentals (I hate that word)” to evolve with the culture to agree with their realities.

About traditions, I don’t mind the traditions of the eucharist or the church for that matter, they are all symbolic to me anyway, and I like them. I like the Bishop’s hat and the big stick, they’re cool.

I don’t think at all that you should just rip out the foundations, I think basic principles are essential for any kind of idea. I think that’s where some people get tripped up. I believe in the basic principles of Christianity, but through my experiences, I’ve had to question some of the details.

I know some people have a big problem with questioning things, but I don’t. I believe very few things in this world are absolute.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

TSA incompetent?? I could have told you that. I personally went through screening 7 times with a .22 caliber bullet in my computer bag and they never saw it. The only good thing I can say about the whole thing is maybe it’s at least a reasonable deterrent. The 9/11 attackers were brilliant in the simplicity of their plan (box cutters). The TSA appears to be looking for large explosive devices and things obviously explosive. And fingernail clippers… They’re idiots.

But hey, I’m sure the government will do so much better running the Dems new socialist healthcare system!!! I think I’m starting to feel sick already….

By Paul

October 19, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Your first paragraph: understood. Same for me. I was just exploring the concept and trying to better understand the point of view you represent. I don’t think, now, I could claim any church, or that any church would claim me, for that matter. But that’s okay for now.

I’m out for a while - later -

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

TSA incompetent?? I could have told you that. I personally went through screening 7 times with a .22 caliber bullet in my computer bag and they never saw it. The only good thing I can say about the whole thing is maybe it’s at least a reasonable deterrent. The 9/11 attackers were brilliant in the simplicity of their plan (box cutters). The TSA appears to be looking for large explosive devices and things obviously explosive. And fingernail clippers… They’re idiots.

But hey, I’m sure the government will do so much better running the Dems new socialist healthcare system!!! I think I’m starting to feel sick already….

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 19, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Mad As Zell,

You are right why would the American People elect a closeted Islamafacist Black Supremacist Extremist like (BoRAT Osama), when we can have another openly Christo-Fascist White Supremacist Extremist similar to George Bush?

I think you’ll agree that BoRAT Osama’s Islamofacism and black supremacy is even more contemptable and dangerous given that his mother is white and that he attends a Christian church. It is amazing what lengths these Islamic Black supremacists will go to hide their ideology. But, of course, we have our own fully black Christo-fascist white supremacist in Clarence Thomas, don’t we? Now he’s a good boy, ain’t he, Zell? Other than the fact that he married a white woman which back in the day people like us would have strung him up for wouldn’t we? Nothing like a good hanging to set things the way God wants them to be is there?

I do think it would benefit the members of this blog for you to list all of the facts of which you are aware that lead you to believe that BoRAT Osama is both a black supremist and a Islamafacist. While I am certain that for people like us the mere fact that he is black is enough to make him a supremist and the fact that he doesn’t carry a former slavemaster’s last name (Brown, Jackson, Johnson, etc…) is enough to conclude he has to be an Islamofascist, the more ignorant on this blog may want to see actual “facts” rather than the rants of the mentally unstable such as we.

BTW: I want to applaud you for your continued postings here. It is rare to see such a combination of ignorance, stupidity, racism, xenophobia and irrationality. If I didn’t know that he had died, I would swear that you were J.B. Stoner. It is because of people like you that we can see why the people who used to lynch, hang and shoot black people back in the 50’s and 60’s have found a home in the conservative movement.

Can you tell me where the cross burning/GOP rally is tonight?

RWNJIFG

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Just wondering..

Last night I posted an indignent protest message about the ravings of Pete Stark in Congress. It never appeared.

Today I disagreed (for the third time) with Mrs. Godzilla’s fundamentalist applause of Pete Stark. I never saw my third post.

This blog either has censorship or a very poor blog management. Whatever. I still think the ravings of Pete Stark are a disgrace to the United States of America.

By Craig

October 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Thanks RW, I always look to Newsmax as the definitive source for truth. Surely you can find a reference on Hannity’s site also?

By Line

October 19, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Dusty, you need to respect the blogging hours. They are from 8am to 7pm on luckovich, and 8am to 6pm on Wooten’s.

I know how disappointed the readers here are that they might have missed the good thinkin’ you done what didn’t get posted.

alles sprechen der muffinheimer

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

“Fundamentalist” applause?

I checked the dictionary to try and help me understand your use of that word all to no avail.

Please explain.

I sometimes have difficulty getting something to post too. I have discovered more times than not I just forgot to hit the post button.

By GOPher Think

October 19, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Jack-boot Fatherland security that only catches 1/4 of explosive devices during sweetheart self-checks has/will protect anybody from anything, and same security is responsible for not having another terrorist attack on America since 9/11.

GOPhers don’t bury their HEADS in the sand, they bury their whole damn bodies!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Dusty:

Did you post last night after 7:00 P.M.?

No posts are accepted after 7:00 P.M. or before 8:00 A.M.

It says so at the top of this page.

By November 19 Nation Wide Strike to End the War

October 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Remember, no one go to work on November 19 - We all strike to end the war in Iraq, and force the Chimp and Vice Chimp to resign. Strike, Strike, Strike

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Sometimes RW and @@ post after 7:00 and they don’t seem to have a problem, ask how they do it. I do too, I thought if the box was there, it was okay.

I’ve always thought that statement at the top: “If the comment box isn’t there, it’s after hours so DON’T post. thank you.”

was a little odd

Hmmmmm.

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

November 19 Nation Wide Strike to End the War,

Not to be a cynic here, but how exactly is that going to work?

The whole “don’t buy gas on a particular day and the oil companies will crumble” didn’t seem to work either.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

ML, cartoon idea to follow.

{WASHINGTON — With 15 months to go in office, President George W. Bush wants the U.S. Congress to know he has no plans to fade quietly away.}

{He might not have been “dialed in” on a children’s health bill pushed through this month, but, in his own words at a news conference on Wednesday, he’s sprinting to the finish line with the help of a bully pulpit and a veto pen.}

The Democrats must be thinking, “Wow, this just keeps getting better and better and better!”

I have previously predicted that Mr. Bush, arguably the worst President in US history, is more than capable of several other major blunders before he returns to being a windshield cowboy, deep in the heart of Texas.

After six plus years of stumbling around, he had better up his game tremendously if he is going to “sprint” anywhere!

But realistically by the time this commander-in-chief leaves Washington he, no doubt, will have cost his party even more seats in Congress as well as the West Wing itself.

And though many can hardly wait to watch the next and second straight neo-con bloodbath, at least for them it will be enjoyable watching these imploding “new” Republicans free fall even further.

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

“Indignent protest messages” what a joke —ALL of your posts are indignent protest messages. I don’t know, maybe they just thought you were being a b!tch for the umpteenth time.

By Bill Clinton

October 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

WHAT’S BETTER THAN ROSES ON A PIANO??

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Somehow, I don’t think “not working” on November 19th is going to be that difficult for most left wing nut jobs!! Does it count if they don’t work before or after that date too?

Moron…

By Monica Blewinsky

October 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

TULIPS ON AN ORGAN

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Somehow, I don’t think “not working” on November 19th is going to be that difficult for most left wing nut jobs!! Does it count if they don’t work before or after that date too?

Moron…

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

“But realistically by the time this commander-in-chief leaves Washington he, no doubt, will have cost his party even more seats in Congress as well as the West Wing itself.”

I think that is just as scary to have a Dem/Dem Pres./Congress.

I don’t think it’s a good idea for any one political party to be “in power” so to speak.

And, I also don’t mean to sound cynical or fatalistic, but I think there will be another 9/11 type terrorist attack in this country, and I certainly do not want to listen to the neo-cons blame the Democrats for it-the pendulum will swing just as far to the right again.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 19, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

I also think there is going to be an attack on our soil again too.

I am afraid a nuclear device will be detonated in DC, NYC, LA, etc.

I am also afraid we are not going to know who to retaliate against either.

This really scares the crap out of me.

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

RB is calling someone a moron when he/she can’t figure out a post button on a blog. Nice.

“Does it count if they don’t work before or after that date too?”

OH, how funny and original! Haven’t heard that one before!

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Bosch, regarding your 11:55 - LMAO!

But seriously, it is apparent that you have never heard of the vast left wing conspiracy, orchestrated by the Atlanta Journal Constitution, to keep the “real true” patriots here frustrated.

Only anti-Americans, commies/pinkos and “Bush haters” are able to post here without any of these alleged problems.

Either that, or perhaps some people just have no clue how to get their 486 machine with Windows for Work Groups on it to work properly!

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

John,

That scares me too - we’ve made so many enemies in this world, it would be hard to figure out at first who did it.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Gates: Security contractors conflict with U.S. mission in Iraq

By getalife

October 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, President Clintons.

People know what they will get with the Clintons. Just look back on his term. No more corporate welfare, govern for the middle class, winning a war, etc…

They can deal with the wingnuts and corporate media and clean up bushies mess again. Listen to her, she does not lie like w.

Yes, we will be attacked again. It will probably be from Iraqis next time because they are all about revenge. OBL bombed Pakistan yesterday and if he can get the nukes, he will use them.

She will go after him and not cut and run to invade Iran like w. She will bring sanity back to Washington and send out ambassadors to the world to tell them the idiotic cowboy diplomocy is over.

w destroyed our government and country and it is insane for any American to ever gop again.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Veteran stress cases up sharply (70% in the last 12 months)

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 19, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa, FLA,

You are worried who we will retaliate against? It depends on who does it. I’d say that if it is a bunch of Saudis, we’ll bomb Iran. If its a bunch of Egyptians however, we will bomb Iran. On the other hand, if it is carried out by Pakistanis, we will bomb Iran. Finally, if the attack is carried out by anyone else, we will bomb Iran.

So there are a number of options available to us, including bombing Iran and/or bombing Iran.

Once Fox News and the White House get together and “catapult the propaganda” as the President has said, at least 50% of the people will believe that Iran was involved in or ordered the attack whether that is actually true or not.

Given that Osama wants us to continue to spend blood and treasure in the Middle East while fighting on their ground, I would not doubt that there will be an October surprise terror attack that will feed right into the GOP fear campaign. And given that only a GOP candidate would have the balls to assure a retaliation against Iran, we’ll probably win the next election too.

Of course, if we aren’t hit again, it will likely assure a Dem. victory, so as Fox News has promoted, we need another 9/11 to focus our attention. Hopefully, we’ll be lucky enough to get one. I know I have my fingers crossed as I’d much rather have thousands of dead Americans than Hitlery as President.

RWNJIFG

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

MESA, Ariz. — The leaders of an alternative newspaper chain were arrested after running a story about grand jury subpoenas they received seeking reporters’ notes and information on who visits their Phoenix weekly’s Web site.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I have posted numerous times that I am not a big fan of the Democratic Party. For several reasons.

But they are a two-edged sword. Undeniably, liberalism has created some of the greatest successes in this country as well as some of the most excessive failures.

Conservatism has provided but one benefit that I can see - by acting as a moderating brake or throttle on some of the excesses.

But the reactionaries offer no real way forward, but rather a anti-progress agenda and futile attempts to go back to the past - ending abortion, prayer in schools, belicose militarism, etc, etc, etc…

And yes I understand and share your rightful concern about one party having too much control, especially based on the debacle that we just went through with the neo-cons.

But unfortunately the reality for me is that this version of the GOP is hands down the worst thing to have hit this country politically - ever.

I know that sounds dramatic, but the results speak for themselves and that is why I have no real choice but to support ANYONE who will marginalize them.

Why? Because the biggest part of their entire neo-conservative ideology is basically repulsive to me, and apparently many millions of other Americans as well.

With that said, I have also mentioned that I believe it IS the GOP that offers the most hope for the nation. But I’m talking about a sane, healthy party of vision and courage - not this train wreck that has evolved from Reagan and Gingrich.

When they swear off this ridiculous, failed world view of theirs, and replace it with reasoned and reasonable alternatives, watch how people move away from the Democrats and towards them by the droves.

I hope my grandchildren enjoy that day.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

President Bush is the lamest of lame-duck chief executives, with no moral authority, no legislative majority and no popular domestic or foreign-policy agendas. So what can he do with the remaining months of a failed presidency? Make his corporate allies rich and destroy the essential underpinnings of American democracy. To that end, Bush’s chairman of the Federal Communications Commission has initiated a scheme to radically rewrite media ownership rules so that one corporation can own the daily newspapers, the weekly “alternative” newspaper, the city magazine, suburban publications, the eight largest radio stations, the dominant broadcast and cable television stations, popular internet news and calendar sites, billboards and concert halls in even the largest American city.

By Liner

October 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

We would face nuclear annihilation with or without 911, or Desert Storm Two.

I’m a babyboomer. Nuclear annihilation was my wetnurse. I’ve lived with death-by-gamma-ray for 56 years. I spit on dirty bombs. I speet on suitcase nukes. I fear only that someone will impurify my precious bodily fluids.

alles sprechen der muffin

By mm

October 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

RB at 11:58.

Thanks, I was beginning to fear we would make it through a day without a stereotypical BS comment from a wingnut. Way to fill in for Duh.

Dusty concerning Stark’s comments:

Free speech is a b*tch isn’t it?

Wingnuts can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

By @@

October 19, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

(((By Confucius a/k/a PoliFore: October 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this)))

(((about @@, Confucius say, “Horndog who see phallic nose is waste of panty hose.”)))

I’ve never cared for the term “panty hose” but it does conjure images of you PoliFore.

I prefer the term “stockings” while a “battered and fried” CORNDOG like you prefers “stalkings”.

I’m seeing you all over the place today. Are you disintegrating buddy?

By November 19 Nation Wide Strike to End the War

October 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

The strike begins November 19 and continues until the war ends, and the Chimps both resign.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

ITN,

Yes, but they can’t own the blogs. The media is already corporate and is gone.

I think we need a total dem power in Washington to undo all w’s damage. I think it will happen this cycle. Install the fairness doctrine will help.

Just ram through all the changes back to the Clinton Presidency. Restore the Constitution and prosecute for their crimes.

The definition of insanity is to vote gop.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

getalife,

they don’t control the blogs yet…

Net Nuetrality

By Bosch

October 19, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

“Because the biggest part of their entire neo-conservative ideology is basically repulsive to me.”

And me. Amen, my brother!

Off to a wedding! Weekend full of marital bliss and other things.

Have a great weekend all!

By Liner

October 19, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Glad you liked the material, @@. Feel free to steal. then folks’ll think that YOU’RE the comedic genius instead of the heavy-flow-day string-theory exception you truly are.

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.-democrat congressman Pete Stark}}}}

All of his fellow democrats are standing behind the statement.

~~~~~

{{{{This, however, is symptomatic of the problem of handing power to the current Leftist-dominated Democrat party, which has a two-pronged approach to governing the nation: do everything possible to win elections by satisfying certain various voting blocs no matter how much their policies threaten the safety and security of the American people, and move as far to the left as possible without revealing their total dedication to the coercive policies of Karl Marx.}}}}

If you want to help the American people why not cut their taxes and give them more money right now?

Because democrats think you are stupid and can’t handle your own money, that’s why.

They know what is “best” for you even though it is not what is best for you, it being soul deadening poverty where you are “lavished” with a paltry 2.3% raise every year.

And what of these goony liberal cheerleaders, who act as though $13,000 a year is some sort of bonanza and something that you should work your whole life to obtain.

Checked the price of an El Dorado lately?

Good luck with that.

~~~~~

{{{{Sen. Jim DeMint (R.-S.C.) tried to persuade his fellow Senators to remove a project sponsored by New York Rep. Charles Rangel (D.) that would give $2 million in federal money to the Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Policy, the Rangel Conference Center, and the Charles Rangel Library at the City College of New York.}}}}

Now here’s a campaign promise I missed; elect me and I’ll spend a bunch of your money gracing every building in New York with my name, that’s what I call fiscal responsibility.

And raise your taxes by a trillion dollars.

~~~~~~~

Your side:

{{{{On one side of the street was CodePINK, Grandmothers Against the War, Berkeley East Bay Gray Panthers, Women in Black and other peace groups holding “no war” signs and chanting “out of Iraq.”}}}}

My side:

{{{{On the other were military veterans, mothers and fathers of soldiers, members of the UC Berkeley College Republicans and Melanie Morgan, whose

By bon scott

October 19, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

The increasingly paranoid, illogical rants of the neocons here convince me more than ever that, next year, the Dems will control the White House and Congres.

I don’t know if that will be good, but it has got to be better than the idiotic, brain dead “reign” of W, who in the space of 7 short years has turned the US from a shining palace on a hill into a global pariah.

Even self orofessed Republicans are leery of a GOPer at the helms. Even if theyre smarter than Bush, which is doubtful.

Why DID we invade Iraq in the first place? There are so many trouble spots globally that are far more worthy of our attention. What a waste of blood and treasure. What a waste.

RW, you once prove adept at splitting hairs. No, Eric Rudolph did not go to trial. He plea bargained his way into life without parole. Big difference. Or would you rather see your pyrotechnic hero free to devise new methods of explosive persuasion.

Smell that? It’s 2008. The Dems sweep. The neocons, who betrayed everything the GOP stood for (fiscal responsibility, an aversion to endless foreign entanglements, etc.) will be relegated to the dustbin of history. Good riddance.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

duh,

What is El Darodo?

Pay as you go man.

She wants government reform idiot. w broke it and she will eliminate the waste he created like DHS. The czars and all that nazi crap.

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Uh, one more try:

Your side:

{{{{On one side of the street was CodePINK, Grandmothers Against the War, Berkeley East Bay Gray Panthers, Women in Black and other peace groups holding “no war” signs and chanting “out of Iraq.”}}}}

My side:

{{{{On the other were military veterans, mothers and fathers of soldiers, members of the UC Berkeley College Republicans and Melanie Morgan, whose conservative talk show airs on KSFO. They waved American flags and chanted “USA, USA, USA.”}}}}

Any questions?

By Say It Ain't So

October 19, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Getalife (12:27) Nice little fantasy world you live in there. “Listen to her, she does not lie like w.”

Is that because she supports the war before she opposed the war and then she supports keeping the troops there but doesn’t support the war??

She doesn’t lie, she just agrees with the most current opinion poll.

(12:42) You mean the censorship doctrine. The lies of the left cannot stand up to scrutiny so all the leftist talk shows have failed. Since no one will listen to your lies you want to shut down the talk shows that provide the truth AND opposing views.

Was your ‘fairness doctrine’ taken from Volume Two, Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf or was that from Chapter 3?

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Confucius say, “Country who mix Crusade and Koolaid get waylaid.”

Koolaid and Crusade.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

RW has definitly gone off the deep end.

“Rudolph did not get a fair trial.”

He is a terrorist and should be in Gitmo.

Fair enough?

Geez.

By The Watcher

October 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Yes, Luckoduh, I have a question.

Are you sure you are seeing the world clearly what with your head so far up inside your anus?

Maybe that’s why you have such a $hitty attitude.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch, What gives with the attack? You said yourself the “gas day” was a joke. So is this one. When somebody that shallow tees up an idea that stupid, you just can’t pass it up. At least with most of you Libs on this blog there is some reasonable thought, but not with that one. That’s just dumb.

As for the multiple posts, I’m stumped. Yesterday you said not to refresh or hit “back”, neither of which I was doing but intentionally avoided, and on the last one, I hit post a single time, left for lunch, and still posted 3 times. I may have to give up and let you left wingers have this space to yourselves to dream up some more vast right wing conspiracies. Naaah. Maybe reading reason and logic with facts to support them multiple times might actually help some of you recover from your delusional state!!!

Single “post” hit coming…..

By @@

October 19, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Birdcage Liner @ 12:53:

Steal? Never, that’s something Democrats do. I enjoy playing with your words PoliFore. You enjoy playing with yourself. Maybe you can let Bosch and John know what that’s like…

How many times has the left accused conservatives of being overly afraid of terrorists? Hiding-under-the-bed cowards. It appears that Bosch and John have exhibited ^^^ the fear they said was ours.

Round and round they go. Focus fellas, focus!!!!

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 19, 2007 1:11 PM duh, What is El Darodo?}}}}

al-Gitmo: An Eldorado is a rather large lumbering beast that can frequently be found at the head of a long line in the left lanes of Florida freeways, slowly moving along with several blue hairs captive inside of it.

Oh, and if you are an idiot who relies on government for your every need, you probably can’t afford one.

Duh.

By Say It Ain't So

October 19, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Getalife (12:27) Nice little fantasy world you live in there. “Listen to her, she does not lie like w.”

Is that because she supports the war before she opposed the war and then she supports keeping the troops there but doesn’t support the war??

She doesn’t lie, she just agrees with the most current opinion poll.

(12:42) You mean the censorship doctrine. The lies of the left cannot stand up to scrutiny so all the leftist talk shows have failed. Since no one will listen to your lies you want to shut down the talk shows that provide the truth AND opposing views.

Was your ‘fairness doctrine’ taken from Volume Two, Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf or was that from Chapter 3?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

LuckoDuh,

You are right. The left panders to all sorts of special interests groups in order to get elected. We need to rally the envangelicals, the insurance companies, the pharmacutical industry, the oil industry, the NRA, and the Israel lobby, so that we can defeat the other side which is only interested in helping their special interest groups.

I just wish we could get a group as powerful and influential as Grandmothers Against the War on our side. Our groups just have no influence on policy while these lefty groups can demand and get whatever they want because they are just so powerful. Much like the white male his losing his grip on power (what are we down to 94 senators?) the corporations and the conservative evangelicals just can’t compete in a political enviroment where influence is so dependent on money.

RWNJIFG

By getalife

October 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Yes spew it.

Like the gop listened to the people once on immigration.

We are their boss idiot so they should listen.

The fairness doctrine is fair.

Deal with it, you can still listen to the drug addicted entertainers to think for you.

By bon scott

October 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

And just a change of pace for all you knuckle dragging faux GOPers. The latest from the University of Illinois on the arctic ice cap:

I’m mellllting!

As God told Bill Cosby…. “How long can you tread water?”

By The People

October 19, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

No, sayitaintso, getalife copies his comments directly from the preamble to the book W was reading on 911, “Mein Pet Kampf”…….(you know when he was at that school for hitler youths)

Note: If you look at the photos carefully, you will notice that every student in the picture was wearing leiderhosen.

Fact.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

duh,

Yes, my Dad had one like the top of that link.

He loved that car.

I went to the local casino last night and the place was empty. I was donating to the local tribe.

Never seen that before. I think we are in a recession.

By bon scott

October 19, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

And just a change of pace for all you knuckle dragging faux GOPers. The latest from the University of Illinois on the arctic ice cap:

I’m mellllting!

As God told Bill Cosby…. “How long can you tread water?”

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

I demand that we put on warning label on every package of Koolaid drink mix: “Warning, do not drink and mix with Crusade.”

By Truthman

October 19, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Same shi-it, different day:

Repugs up in arms about Rep. Stark!!!

Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!!

Always attacking the messenger (Stark, 12-year-old kids, Murtha, Cleveland, ad nauseum), without ever - I MEAN EVER - acknowledging their lies and deceit that prompted the messenger’s comments.

Chickenhawks! Chickenhawks all!!

By Anonymous

October 19, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Good cartoon, but I wish he’d included President Gore in the picture too.

The voters made three smart choices in the last four presidential elections—to bad only two were recognized.

By Anonymous

October 19, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Good cartoon, but I wish he’d included President Gore in the picture too.

The voters made three smart choices in the last four presidential elections—too bad only two were recognized.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Mel Martinez, the public face of the Republican National Committee as its general chairman, announced Friday he was stepping down from his post after serving only 10 months.

Is Rove Unemployed?

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Wingers,
So, your mad that Rep. Stark spouted obscenities about the President of the United States of America.

Kids are getting their heads blown off in Iraq. Costs $200 billion a year.

Same U. S. President vetos a Health Care bill that costs $7 billion a year. A bill that saves children’s lives.

Now that’s obscene.

By mm

October 19, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So at 1:22

{{{Is that because she supports the war before she opposed the war and then she supports keeping the troops there but doesn’t support the war??

She doesn’t lie, she just agrees with the most current opinion poll.)))

BINGO!!!!

A politician listening to potential voters. What a concept.

That is why the GOP will go down in flames in 08. Because Bush, during a speech concerning Iraq, stated that he did not care what the people want. And obviously, the wingnuts in Congress don’t either.

Aren’t they supposed to representatives?

LMAO

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Telcos Heart Rockefeller

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Power Lobbyists Push for Wiretapping Immunity for Telecoms

By Goldie

October 19, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

{{If you want to help the American people why not cut their taxes and give them more money right now?}}

Another brilliant idea coming from the DUHHH-Boy! America is not in hock enough to the Chinese in paying for your occupation of Iraq? If you’re such a “conservative”, why don’t you advocate CUTTING YOUR SPENDING instead of increasing America’s debt to CHINA???

To paraphrase Getalife: Golly GEEZ!

By @@

October 19, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Mel Martinez stepping down is music to my ears. He never should have been “up” in the first place. Talk about lazy…

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Dodd put a hold on that immunity for breaking the law.

He should replace Reid.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

@@,

Nobody wanted the job.

Geez.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Well, thanks for all the advice about posting. including our rude, crude borsch who learned to speak English on the back streets behind a honky tonk.

But…..both “lost ” posts were made during regular hours, not before or afterwards.

Also…I use the refresh button after I post so I don’t think I did a misstep. Doesn’t really matter. I was just wondering if any of you had similar problems.

Mrs. Godzilla…CLUE..if there are two words, look them up separately. That might help.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

finch,

As you would be able to see if you weren’t sauced is that I only split hairs over the trial/plea differential in response to Bosch’s dripping sanctimony. Gotta love how your trained monkey, getalife, twisted it though.

Earth to Craig,

It’s a freaking audio tape of Bubba himself, which I suppose is why you chose to attack the messenger instead.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Thanks so much for the CLUE!
It was hardly required though.

I know what applause means, I have even been known to do it. Sometimes standing!

Springsteen live. Madama Butterfly. Dance recitals.

What I don’t understand is your use of the term fundamentalist as an adjective for applause?

Please don’t jump all over me just for wanting to understand your point of view.

Again, can you tell me what you meant?

Please and Thank You.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Just curious….

Why do you suppose the so called “fairness” doctrine doesn’t include any of the liberal biased information outlets such as the major network news agencies (you know, the ones not doing very well these days…) or our beloved AJC who couldn’t find a conservative employee if their declining readership depended on it?

Why do you suppose it only includes outlets generally considered to be conservative based? What might someone be trying to accomplish with such a transparent motive?

When the Unfairness doctrine passes, we’ll be very close to state run media folks and even a shallow thinking liberal should be able to study enough history to figure out what the dangers of that are.

By The People

October 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

What an amazing ballplayer Manny Ramirez be! I refuse to watch any world series without Ramirez in it.

I still think umpires have totally ruined baseball with that expanded strike zone. The rule book is clear.

I’ve never been able to tell offensive from defensive fouls in football or basketball collisions.

He was playing the ball…. Whoever occupied the space first….. He had his feet planted.

This is why sports blows. They play for sixty minutes and then it comes down to an interference call and a field goal or free throw.

Like soccor and the penalty shot. Why let that decide? It’s not fair.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

If you think that silly CNN poll has any meaning go look at ml’s Malkin/Limbaugh cartoon the other day and look at the vote.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Trained monkey?

Well, I am not the one stating Rudolph did not get a fair trial.

He should rot in Gitmo, he blew up a police officer.

Geez.

By Monica Blewbillsky

October 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

If Hillary gets elected I’m going to have to do her too am I????????

By Monica Blewbillski

October 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

If Hillary gets elected I’m not going to have to do her too am I????

By The People

October 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

How can you tell which airline passenger is the gay terrorist? He’s the one light’n his loafers.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

You didn’t like trained monkey? It’s a step up from a parrot. Now please cite where I said Rudolph didn’t get a fair trial? Thank you in advance.

Dusty,

I’m not sure looking up two words separately always helps. The term “working girl” comes to mind, although I admit I haven’t seen what words Mrs. G is whining at you about.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Funny , we have not seen President Clinton being a “naughty boy” since he left office.

After Craig, Foley and Vitter, Americans think it was just a bj.

Bwa.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

RW,

I will have to trust you on this.

When I track back to the cartoon the vote counts are not listed.

Attempting to vote again does not change that.

Can you share with me the counts please?

Thanks.

By georgia74

October 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Say what you want, but the Clintons flatulate, probably misspelled, more intelligent policy than w speaks.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

Trained monkey would be w.

“By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’ve got to run out, but Rudolph did NOT have a trial. See if you can prove me wrong?”

You are always wrong.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Do you like the cartoon.

Yes-2021

No-5442

I guess 73% of the country is on Limbaugh and Malkin’s side by reptilian logic.

By The People

October 19, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Clintons weren’t perfect politicians. They’re just the best of us, and they deserve to rule. It wont be so much camelot as camelgirls.

Hillary is a MILF, anyway. Got a problem with that? Then write your congressman, sir.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Ah, Mrs. Godzilla @ 2:25

Still playing the innocent child act—when she knows quite well my point of view. But..OK..I will play the little game.

fundamentalist=like Mrs. Godzilla’s far left liberal persona, usually a basic extremist in nature.

applause=clapping of hands in approval sometimes used as a figure of speecn indicating “approval”.

fundamentalist applause= “fundamentalists”(like Mrs. Godzilla) giving “applause” (approval) of liberalism in her posts.

I will try to keep it very simple next time.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

RW,

I have to admit I find those numbers surprising.

So surprising, in fact, that I think I will do some investigation.

I’ll get back to you RW.

You can count on that.

Thanks.

By georgia74

October 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Eric Rudolph plead gulity in court. He did not have a trial.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Dusty,
I think you got fundamentalist wrong:

a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles

I don’t see extremist in this m-w.com definition of fundamentalism.

Maybe if you understood the language a bit more you and Mrs. G could communicate better.

By The People

October 19, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty, if you were any simpler, they’d have to put instructions on bras.

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

The Clintons deserve to RULE? I did not realize that we were electing a dictatress this next election. I guess that is what you socialists want - a dictatorship, just like they had in the good ole Soviet Union with Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, Brehznev, Chernynko and Andropov. Or maybe just Hitler. You folks amaze me.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

It certainly was an interesting interpretation of the term fundamentalist.

I did find one definition, see 3 below.

While the sentence example uses the term conservatives I am sure it could be stretched to include liberals.

Certainly not a main stream use, but acceptable.

I know your point of view on some things, to be sure. I would, however, never presume to know all of them. You are a complex individual are you not?

Perhaps, you did not see above where I mentioned I knew what applause was.

Yes, please keep it simple.

Ever hear of KISS?

Anyway, you have a nice weekend.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

I don’t think many R’s have any problems with Rep. Stark being able to have an opinion contrary to that of the President, but the manner in which he expressed his opinion was that of an extremely low class individual and not befitting an elected official of his lofty position. Imagine your reaction if someone on the street just walked up to you and spoke to you the way he spoke. Would that be ok with you or would you be offended and think he were out of line?

What’s worse is the liberals in this country don’t see anything wrong with these methods of governing. There appears to no longer exist a standard of moral decency in the Democratic party and it’s just plain sickening. Anything goes… Sad… It’s no wonder the majority of people in this country who have no moral foundation vote for these clowns.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

RB,
At least he was honest. Not a single lie in the entire diatribe.

Compare that to the Senate Minority Leader:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell knew last week — at a time when he was denying it — that his staff had sent e-mails encouraging reporters to look into the background of a 12-year-old boy used by Democrats to support expansion of a health-care program.

By IN THE NEWS

October 19, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

He was known to have a quick temper and to use salty language, which was refreshing to some people but scared others. While some liked his honesty, others thought his temper might start World War III.

Harry Truman, extemely low class?

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Where is the word “fair” in that quote?

Mrs. G,

No need to investigate. Wingnuts slammed that cartoon poll the same way moonbats did the CNN one.

By @@

October 19, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

(((By getalilfe

@@,

Nobody wanted the job.)))

WRONG Getalife!

There was a black conservative who was interested in the job and would have been my first choice.

Unfortunately Bush made his choice and for all the wrong reasons IMO.

By Monica Blewbillski

October 19, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Bill just screwed me.

W is screwing the world.

By @@

October 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Oh lawdy! PoliFore/The People has the hots for Hillary (the older woman.)

(((Hillary is a MILF, anyway.)))

Did I read that correctly PoliFore?

You ARE desperate!!!!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Maybe Ms. G can ask for recounts of that poll over and over until she can claim the “yes” votes actually won and the mean sprited, child hating, pushers of old people down the stairs, hatemongers stole the vote from the “yes” box. And over the next 8 years, she’ll claim “yes” was the real winner of that vote and the poll was stolen by relatives of the “no” vote. No need to let facts get in the way…

By getalife

October 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Michelle posted that toon on her blog and told the sheep to vote.

They infested this blog but I crushed them like insects. They will not return.

Bwa.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Maybe Ms. G can ask for recounts of that poll over and over until she can claim the “yes” votes actually won and the mean sprited, child hating, pushers of old people down the stairs, hatemongers stole the vote from the “yes” box. And over the next 8 years, she’ll claim “yes” was the real winner of that vote and the poll was stolen by relatives of the “no” vote. No need to let facts get in the way…

By getalife

October 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

@@,

w asked him to take the job.

Did you not hear the rapper, he hates black people.

Geez.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

Humbug.

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

yes, MILF: Mother I’d Lobby For.

what?

By LMAO

October 19, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

“What an incredible Republican victory.”

Wow. The Republican party sure has sunk to new lows. RB, your excitement over this “victory” is mind boggling.

A cartoon vote. Things are that bad for Republicans.

Hey all, congrats on your “victory.”

LMAO

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

For me, one of the more intriguing aspects of this campaign is the element of the “Christian” “conservative” wing of the GOP.

Sam Brownback, a Jayhawker who probably would have loved to see creationism replace actual science in Kansas classrooms, and was probably the closest to a far-right darling for them on the GOP slate, is toast.

But that still leaves the “compassionate conservatives” with Rudy, Mitt and large Fred.

But… Rudy is a near total RINO on social issues and Mitt is a flip-flopping opportunist of a RINO.

Large Fred? Looks like your typical lawyer who would get involved with ANY issue or organization if the money was right, and the fundies and evangelicals don’t play that.

You either with ‘em or agin ‘em.

Looks like big fun on Sundays this coming year.

By mm

October 19, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

I’ll bet Clinton has a “victory” cigar laying around somewhere.

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Hillary is a Mother I’d Lobby For!

By getalife

October 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

The gop are w-horing to the wingnuts today.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

G, It would be funny if as recently as YESTERDAY on this blog one of you LWNJ’s hadn’t remarked that AlGore might get elected to the office he actually won 6 years ago. As I said earlier, some of you actually have some well founded arguments about issues and know what your talking about (that doesn’t mean I agree with them, btw), but have you checked the nut cases you’re hanging out with?

By Midori

October 19, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

lmao - you beat me to it.

sums it all up, doesn’t it?

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Golduh October 19, 2007 2:00 PM Another brilliant idea coming from the DUHHH-Boy! America is not in hock enough to the Chinese in paying for your occupation of Iraq? If you’re such a “conservative”, why don’t you advocate CUTTING YOUR SPENDING instead of increasing America’s debt to CHINA???}}}}

Blah, blah, blah.

{{{{Hillary Clinton’s campaign has been raking in money from New York’s Chinatown, the Los Angeles Times reports. A single fund-raising event in April brought in $380,000. John Kerry, by contrast, raised $24,000 from Chinatown in the entire 2004 campaign. Another listed donor, Yi Min Liu, said he did not make the $1,000 contribution in April that was reported in his name. He said he attended a banquet for Clinton but did not give her money.}}}}

If the Hsu fits, Golduh.

Isn’t it just so reassuring that Clinton got the message about her last round of illegal campaign contributions and she ignored it?

And listen to the kowards, just like little church mice on the Shrillary wrongdoing.

~~~~~~

{{{{You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.-democrat congressman Pete Stark}}}}

All of his fellow democrats are standing behind the statement.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

G, It would be funny if as recently as YESTERDAY on this blog one of you LWNJ’s hadn’t remarked that AlGore might get elected to the office he actually won 6 years ago. As I said earlier, some of you actually have some well founded arguments about issues and know what your talking about (that doesn’t mean I agree with them, btw), but have you checked the nut cases you’re hanging out with?

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

LMAO & Midori,

Do you two dunces ever think for even a second before you post? It would really help you not to make such fools of yourselves.

It’s your own Mrs. G touting a phony internet poll as proof of what the American public thinks and we simply showed her how easy it was to sabotage a poll like that.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

“I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best,” he said. “But I respect neither the commander-in-chief who keeps them in harms way nor the chicken-hawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care.” —Pete Stark

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

balderdash

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

RW

are you perhaps saying mission accomplished a tad too soon?

that’s SOOO already been done.

By @@

October 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Sure thing PoliFore…

(((Hillary is a Mother I’d Lobby For!)))

Keep telling yourself and everybody here that’s what you meant. Don’t get out much do you?

Getalife:

If I recall, Rove stepped in before the offer was formally presented to Steele.

Whether you want to admit it or not there ARE black conservatives.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

More from Pete Stark

{{{{Further goading McInnis, a married Republican gentleman, Stark lashed out: “You little fruitcake. You little fruitcake. I said you are a fruitcake.” According to Fox News Channel, witnesses say Stark then hurled a 10-letter homophobic insult at Thomas better suited for an anti-gay rap records than the Congressional Record. Stark’s press office refused to answer my questions on the record about these remarks.}}}}

That 10 letter would be another name for a rooster with sucker at the end.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Pete Stark to his constituents:

{{{{{Stark stooped to name-calling, chastising his constituent as an idiot: “Probably somebody put you up to this, and I’m not sure who it was, but I doubt if you could spell half the words in the letter and somebody wrote it for you. So I don’t pay too much attention to it.”}}}}}

{{{{{Near the middle of his rambling message, the Congressman promised Dow, “But I’ll call you back later.” Why? Stark explained, “[To] let you tell me why you think you’re such a great, god-damned hero.” (Stark did not call back.)}}}}}

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

BTW, I’m still waiting to hear what great accomplishments qualify Shrillary to be President. I’ve been asking all day for this since Reeboks 8:48 “smart and accomplished” post. Can you not come up with just 1? Anything? A piece of legislation she authored she should be proud of? Anything?

And is that Clinton victory cigar for Bill or Hill? Ugggh. Bad visual…

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

And even more from Pete Stark

back from 2002

“Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this resolution (authorizing military force against Iraq). I am deeply troubled that lives may be lost without a meaningful attempt to bring Iraq into compliance with U.N. resolutions through careful and cautious diplomacy.

The bottom line is I don’t trust this president and his advisors.

Make no mistake, we are voting on a resolution that grants total authority to the president, who wants to invade a sovereign nation without any specific act of provocation. This would authorize the United States to act as the aggressor for the first time in our history. It sets a precedent for our nation — or any nation — to exercise brute force anywhere in the world without regard to international law or international consensus.”

By RB from Gwinnett

October 19, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

BTW, I’m still waiting to hear what great accomplishments qualify Shrillary to be President. I’ve been asking all day for this since Reeboks 8:48 “smart and accomplished” post. Can you not come up with just 1? Anything? A piece of legislation she authored she should be proud of? Anything?

And is that Clinton victory cigar for Bill or Hill? Ugggh. Bad visual…

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G 4:18,

{{{{{RW-are you perhaps saying mission accomplished a tad too soon?}}}}}

I have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s an absolute fact that you can’t use a poll like that to gauge public opinion if that’s what you mean.

Anybody that wants can vote as often as they want. Wait for the first poll like that to pop up somewhere after the next Republican debate and Ron Paul will get 95%+ of the vote even if he stays home from the debate.

By bon scott

October 19, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

I see our moronic Commander in Chief still can’t tell friend from foe. Why, he loves those Saudi Arabians (and NOT for their oil, I’m sure), even though the Saudis educated and bankrolled the 9/11 hijackers. Heck, nearly ALL the hijackers were Saudis. Since then, the Saudis have been providing money, weapons and men to Sunni insurgents in Iraq who consider it an honor to off an American. And despite Saudi promises to overhaul its educational system to eliminate references to the US as an international war criminal and a threat to world peace, the Saudi funded lies continue throughout the Muslim world.

And even the non-Muslim world. Even in the US:

U.S. Commission Wants Saudi-Funded School Closed Until Textbooks Can Be Reviewed

But such duplicity doesn’t deter or sub-moronic President, who sees gold…. er, oil in them there Saudi hills… er, sand:

Bush certifies Saudi Arabia as anti-terrorism ally

Right. And Pakistan, with its hiding of bin Ladin and co. is our bosom buddy, too.

Meanwhile, thanks to the dumpkopf in chief, we remained mired in Iraq, a nation that before 9/11 had little to do with anti-US terror and absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. What stupidity. What a waste. Lavishing praise on people who want you dead while killing people who just wish you’d go away.

Hey RW and Andy, stay away from that crank. It’s ruining your writing, warping your logic, and your neighbors can smell you cooking the stuff. Oh, hell, keep it up. You’ll be dead by November 2008 and we won’t have to worry about your imbicilic votes.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

And More from Pete Stark

“WASHINGTON – Representative Pete Stark (D-CA) tonight responded to President Bush’s Iraq policy address:

“Nearly four years old, President Bush’s War in Iraq has been an abysmal failure,” said Stark. “The war has cost more than $400 billion and taken the lives of more than 3,000 brave American troops and countless Iraqis. Time and time again, President Bush and Republicans in Congress made false claims about our supposed progress, only to have the situation on the ground get worse and worse. Today, our troops remain in harms way, even as Iraq has spiraled into civil war.”

“In his address, President Bush committed to more of the same – more troops, more wishful thinking, and more empty slogans,” Stark continued. “Bush didn’t offer a new strategy, he offered new spin. Republicans have repeatedly promised the Iraqis would soon take control of their own security. But the presence of American troops has made and will continue to make such an outcome less likely.”

“Enough is enough. It is past time Congress takes America’s best interests into its own hands. I oppose escalation and, given the opportunity, will vote against providing billions in funding to deploy thousands of additional troops. Rather than send more servicemen and women to die in Iraq, we should serve the will of the American people and bring all of our troops home,” Stark concluded.”

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{Rush Limbaugh has outsmarted the Democratic Leadership of the Senate and cornered the media. If the media do not cover the auction results, they will look ridiculous. The letter is easy enough to explain that it will inevitably be discussed at water coolers, sports events, churches, parties, and other get-togethers. But if the media do cover it, they must include some explanation for the high price, and that will make Reid and the Democrats look silly or worse.}}}}

Over 4 million dollars to charity and made the democrats look like as-ses at the same time.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

{{{{{This would authorize the United States to act as the aggressor for the first time in our history.-Pete Stark Raving Mad if Mrs. G isn’t jerking our chains}}}}}

Do Bosnia and Kosovo ring a bell to this clown? It’s not like he had to dig through some obscure ancient history books.

{{{{{{Sometimes a President just has to go to war without the UN or Congressional approval}}}}}

That quote was

A) Don Rumsfeld

B) Dick Cheney

C) Pete Stark HA!!

D) The Queen of Chinatown

By @@

October 19, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

I didn’t know Bhutto had agreed to let the U.S. into Pakistan to root out the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

No wonder they’re trying to blow her up.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

RW,
“Rooster” - sucker huh? How about the Vice President telling a Senator to go “penetrate” himself on the floor of the Senate?

Oh, and “Republican Gentleman” is a contradiction of terms.

By GOPher Think

October 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

NEW YORK (AP) — The Dow Jones industrial average dropped more than 360 points Friday — the anniversary of the Black Monday crash 20 year ago — as renewed credit concerns, lackluster corporate earnings, and rising oil prices spooked investors.

And just WHOSE hands were on the wheel 20 years ago? Why Ronnie Raygun and his court jester, GEORGE BUSH the elder, of course.

Anybody get the message that Republicans mindlessly run a hot uncontrolled economy when they are in office so they can pump up their corporate owners short-term profits? No worry though, the Democrats are still here to clean up the mess after the meltdown this time, too! The more things change, the more they stay the same!

GOPhers think that they can legislate themselves some good economic numbers with their big, Big, BIG Republican government. Too bad they just ain’t got the smarts to work on delicate machinery.

Whadda ya expect when ya put underground rodents in charge of the world’s larget economic engine?

By getalife

October 19, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Aww, Stark hurt their feelings.

Poor little emotional wrecks.

Grow up whiners, there is no boner crying in politics.

Hillary can break the law like w, he set the precedent.

Deal with it whiners.

@@,

They say they have the suicide bombers head so wait for it, it is probably a Mushroom supporter.

By Paul

October 19, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

@@ 3:33

I think your “Victoria’s Secret” comment yesterday afternoon got him going -

Then in subsequent posts he got all innocent. Just like Larry Craig?

BTW - another view of Putin (ever notice how Mr. L seems to shy away from concepts like this?)

Link: The Question of Putin

AmVet 3:57

Like I said, their influence is on the wane and the Republican Party is hopefully moving on. On the other hand, the ascendency in the Democratic Party…

bon scott 4:33

Is your solution to those things you give examples of as “moronic” to sever relations (cut off the oil) from Saudi Arabia, or to attack them and Pakistan? Is there a proposed solution in there somewhere? Or just a complaint?

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit,

The Vice-President didn’t say that on the floor of the Senate which implies it was a speech for the record. This was an overheard remark within a private conversation on the Capitol grounds.

Why do you leftists always also have to mix in a lie even when the facts are ostensibly on your side? I figure it’s that you’re either insecure in your convictions so you need to embellish or it’s that damned echo chamber you all live in.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Speaking of heads, I give good head.

Any takers?

By getalife

October 19, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Yes, cheney told Leahy to GFY and the wingnuts giggled.

They should STFU about Stark.

Deal with it.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Wingnuts don’t give BJs as good as I do.

Keep practicing losers.

Use a cucumber.

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Yes, they just love America and the troops:

{{{{Berkeley police officers kept the Code Pink contingent of about 150 separated from the group of about 500 led by Move America Forward, the nation’s largest pro-troop organization. The incidents of abhorrent behavior were rare, but included an anti-war demonstrator trying to knife a pro-troop supporter and two code Pink followers burning flags. A group of Code Pink protesters surrounded a woman and pushed her around after she said that her brother and other family members were protecting the United States in Iraq.}}}}

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Talk about getting offended, yesterday when (m)ental (m)idget realized I had schooled her she went into a screeching frenzy, same as Bosch this morning. Even finch blew up when he realized he had been wrong when he tried to jump in, as usual, and now he wants me dead. For some reason he threw Andy into his death fantasy too.

Are you the only moonbat(ic)® on this blog that doesn’t break down crying every day?

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Time to ban duh again.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G, great stuff from Stark at 4:13. He is dead on with his analysis of the incompetent neo-cons in this matter.

Let’s summarize:

abysmal failure

false claims

situation on the ground worse and worse

spiral into civil war

Bush - more troops, more wishful thinking, and more empty slogans

No new strategies, just new spin

Republicans have repeatedly promised that Iraqis…

Yep, sounds about right to me.

In other words - a clusterf@ck.

And all the neo-cons have are much gnashing of teeth and the fact that it just absolutely kills them that a Democratic President prosecuted an extremely effective military campaign with lasting beneficial results while all they can do is sidestep around and/or spin/deny that their practically AWOL hero of the Texas ANG screws up everything he touches regarding this horribly mismanaged occupation.

Deadly and incompetent - what a combination. And what a Republican legacy.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Big Hsu Store news

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

“A brief argument between Vice President Cheney and a senior Democratic senator led Cheney to utter a big-time obscenity on the Senate floor this week.”

The gop never apoligize, hell they can’t admit they do anything wrong.

The voters in 08 will let them know.

BTW, the speaker did not strike his words, so there is nothing to apoligize about. I watched it and LOL.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I for one am glad that Stark’s words stayed in the record and that every single Democrat stands firmly behind him.

Most of us here know that this kind of scum is the true face of the Democrat Party, but they usually try to hide it from the dumb masses.

I think his little tirade should be the standard stump speech for every one of your candidates next election cycle and Hillary should have Stark do the keynote speech at your convention.

By Paul

October 19, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Re your 4:40 - talk about ignoring a question. But the implications of putting someone in office who can follow through with those thoughts and examples….

Must be too scary for some to contemplate.

By Luckoduh

October 19, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 19, 2007 5:10 PM Time to ban duh again.}}}}

al-Gitmo: I would not attack you in the fashion that Polly has, no, I consider nothing more than a democrat party drone that is on autopilot, except that you have lost cabin pressure and are frozen solid.

You will come crashing to Earth soon enough.

By @@

October 19, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 4:57:

Funny cartoon! “Does a hobo like ham sandwiches?”

I have figured out who YOU are and what YOU’VE been doing.

You’re George Friedman of Stratfor. He wrote an article today that reiterates everything you’ve said.

“Geopolitical Diary: Revisiting Oil”

Bush/Cheney are not in Iraq for the OIL regardless of what people think. Went into a little detail that discounts that assertion.

Venezuela would have been an easier resource to tap into — before Hugo of course.

Even in a world in which we obtained 100 percent of our energy from renewable sources — industrial uses for oil alone would likely prevent global demand from dropping by more than half of its current level.

Oil is of critical importance to any country that considers economic stability and growth a necessity. So the U.S. is invested as the global superpower — it has an interest in preventing a single power from controlling the Persian Gulf region.

It stands to reason that Putin wouldn’t want Ahmadenijad to have that single power either but he is convenient for Putin’s rise to former glory and influence.

So the increase in oil prices? The Arab states have used their newfound wealth to purchase social quietude; the Russians, to regenerate their defense industry. Japan and China? What’ll they do for oil?

How much will Bush be willing to pay to call Putin on his winning hand?

We shall see…

Look at THAT poker face.

By Midori

October 19, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Rep. Pete Stark should shut the #$%^!! up. How dare he say such outrageous things…

“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”

“Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it’s gonna happen? It’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that’s sort of where we are in today’s world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn’t exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution.”

“I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”

“Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I’m proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans.”

“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”

By Midori

October 19, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Rep. Pete Stark should shut the #$%^!! up. How dare he say such outrageous things…

“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”

“Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it’s gonna happen? It’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that’s sort of where we are in today’s world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn’t exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution.”

“I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”

“Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I’m proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans.”

“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”

By Midori

October 19, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

continued:

“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”

“We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”

“Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.”

“Emotional appeals about working families trying to get by on $4.25 an hour are hard to resist. Fortunately, such families do not exist.”

“Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past - I’m not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble - recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin’s penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an ‘enemy of the people.’ The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, ‘clan liability.’ In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished ‘to the ninth degree’: that is, everyone in the offender’s own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed.”

“I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that’s the way it is, period.”

By @@

October 19, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

This was hilarious Getalife…

(((I consider nothing more than a democrat party drone that is on autopilot, except that you have lost cabin pressure and are frozen solid.)))

Brr-rr-rrrrrr.

Frozen with a stick up your butt.

You’re a popsicle Getalife!!!!!

By Midori

October 19, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

“Probably nothing.”

“The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler’s.”

“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.”

“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”

“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”

“The fact of the matter is that this (increased American casualties) is a sign of the success of our operation, not its failure.”

“There are some who feel that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring ‘em on. We have the force necessary to deal with the situation.”

“Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies.”

By Midori

October 19, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

continued:

“Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God’s Law and the disenfranchisement of White men.”

“NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you’ve got to be a lesbian.”

“I’m the commander - see, I don’t need to explain - I don’t need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don’t feel like I owe anybody an explanation.”

If you can believe it, there’s even more here:

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/50…

By Paul

October 19, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

@@

LOLOL! Friedman reads Lucko’s blog! I oughta be a consultant for him! LOL!

Seriously, there is a confusion of terms. “We’re there for the oil” is often interpreted as “we have military and corporations over there and everything we do is to guided by our desire keep our gas pumps full and our income statements looking good.”

That is conceptually different than the writing you cited. Taken from a slightly different angle - how long will Putin exercise leverage over Ahmadinejad? Are those nuke plants really a “turn key” operation? (Build it, train the Iranians, then leave) or one that requires continuing Russian involvement? Remember the sophisticated air defense weapons contract? You can rest assured the training, parts supplies and maintenance aren’t solely Iranian. And if the history of embassies is any example, I’d trust our folks are working on ways to hack into the monitoring devices the Russians wouldn’t dream of installing in the facilities.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Hi Paul,

{{Like I said, their influence is on the wane and the Republican Party is hopefully moving on. On the other hand, the ascendency in the Democratic Party}}

Historically the Democrats have always done well with Catholics, Jews and yes, even many Protestants.

But these are not to be even remotely confused with these rabid, unreasonable extremists and charlatans/frauds like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Hal Lindsey, Charles Colson, Ralph Reed, Roy Moore, Fred Phelps, ad nauseum…

The worst of these repressive nuts have a very specific and backwards looking agenda, a spiritual warfare, that is at odds with the vast majority of mainstream Americans, if not the great traditional secularist American values and mores themselves such as personal liberty, tolerance, rational thought, enlightenment and accomodation.

And no longer will the twisted phrases like “family values”, “pro-life” and “compassionate conservatives” ring true or have any real significance with most Americans. Only with the remaining “faithful”.

I can’t imagine the Dems ever courting these quasi-theocrats and it may well be true that the GOP, now embroiled in a teenage-like identity crisis, in an effort to claim the reasoned and reasonable center may choose to essentially ignore them. I think this scenario is highly unlikely but for the sanity and health of the Republican Party, lets hope so.

But with many voices repudiating this crazy agenda this neo-con GOP can be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

RW,
Yea, the floor of the Senate is on the grounds of the Capital.

A brief argument between Vice President Cheney and a senior Democratic senator led Cheney to utter a big-time obscenity on the Senate floor this week.

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

“That’s a shame, you know, creating problems for elderly persons just is not good under any circumstance,” Tanner said, according to video posted on YouTube. “Of course, that also ties into the racial aspect because our society is such that minorities don’t become elderly the way white people do. They die first.

“There are inequities in health care. There are a variety of inequities in this country, and so anything that disproportionately impacts the elderly has the opposite impact on minorities. Just the math is such as that,” Tanner said.”

Should this bushie apologize?

Obama is demanding one.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit,

And unless you’re brain dead you know the term “On the Floor of the Senate” means an official speech into the Congressional record.

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Great post Midori.

The wingnuts are whining today:

“Religious Right: GOP Candidates ‘All Flawed:

Romney: Mormon From Massachusetts…Thompson: Doesn’t Champion Core Issues…McCain: Called Leaders “Agents Of Intolerance”…Huckabee: No Chance Of Winning…Giuliani: Thrice-Married New Yorker”

Whaaaa.

By Paul

October 19, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Political parties, like everything else, evolve (RW - pleeese, don’t go there…). My point was that by diminishing the influence of what was once a source of power the Republicans can broaden their appeal - after all, this is a tussle about the social views of the Republican frontrunners. Distancing themselves from many of Bush’s policies shouldn’t be all that difficult - one can make a case that the performance did not reflect historic principles of the Party. When the anathema towards Bush diminishes (and many Dems still sound like they’re running against him in ‘08) this could bring a resurgence.

Rather seems like Dems are repeating Rep history. There’s a group well financed, connected (altho nothing like the Rep social conservatives) who also portrays themselves as the “true soul” of the Party (they probably use a nonreligious term) :-) They too will continue to alienate many of the voters - but given the money that keeps funneling in, and the almost messianic complexes of some of their leaders (messianic without the gift of prophecy?) :-) they could be around a while longer than their Rep counterpart.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Wow Mrs. Godzilla,

You’re still supporting that crazy Stark. Oh well, figures. He’s a Democrat. You liked Bill Clinton when he disgraced the country. Why not Stark?

Somewhere in your meanderings you asked if I had heard of Kiss. At the moment “Kiss my foot” comes to mind but I suspect you were showing us your knowledge of youthful contemporary music. Not my type but what’s the point?

RW is correct. Keep posting the words of Stark. This country needs to know more about the stark Democratic hate that is coming out of Congress.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Ah yes Fred Phelps

THE WESTOBORO COMPOUND WAS THE HOST FOR AL GORE FUNDRAISERS AND ONE OF PHELPS’ SONS WAS A CAMPAIGN MANAGER for Mr. Gore’s Senate race. HERE are pictures of Gore and Phelps. Phelps was even a DELGATE for Gore at the Democratic National Convention. Phelps and his wife were invited to and attended Clinton’s inaugural ball in D.C. He hates George W. Bush. I add this because I know that everyone on the left that sees a ‘religious’ gay-bashing zealot automatically assumes that he’s a republican. Well, they would be wrong -this wife beating, pill popping, gay-bashing, military hating lunatic is a full-fledged lib

He often ran for Governor and other offices out there. always as a Democrat. He’s yours libby, own him.

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Mrs G.,

About that poll, wingnuts, who vote, then clear the newsleader cookies from their browser, then vote again, over and over and over.

They cheat.

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

“Evangelical Leader: Rudy Must Pledge To Appoint Anti-Abortion Attorney General”

Enough with this crap, President Clinton should tax thier churches.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve got to go there. It’s like if some mentions kittens, the Led Zeppelin Viking Kitties often make an appearance.

Actually your evolving party example is almost my exact view of evolution. A species or political party is constantly changes and adapts to present conditions, but at the end of their time on this earth they are still whatever species or party they began as.

By @@

October 19, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Just recently, and for fun, I took another one of those “Pick your Candidate” tests. When I took the one RE posted I think I came in with Brownback as the candidate that most reflected my views.

The recent one had me aligned with Hunter 1st, Thompson 2nd and Romney 3rd. Somewhere down towards the “middle” was my Rudy. Aligned with him on 7 of the questions/issues — in disagreement on 6. I looked over those 6 very closely and said…those are stances that, in no way threaten my views. We can influence him once he wins. If we can’t…I’ve lost nothing that is of the utmost importance to me.

Dick Morris said we should watch for Huckabee to move up in the polls.

Patience…patience…patience. We’re along for the ride even if we didn’t buy a ticket.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

RW,
Whether or not “On the Floor of the Senate” means “Floor Speech” or not does not diminish the fact that the Vice President of the United States of America, the President of the Senate, was “on the floor of the Senate” giving a United States Senator the verbal finger.

“Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?” —Joseph Welch

“Republican Gentleman” —oxymoron

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton’s second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration’s support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball, denouncing Gore as a “famous f@g p!mp.” In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore’s father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, “your dad’s in Hell.”

In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a petition to outlaw homosexual work protection, many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They said that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a “good ol’ boy” Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system.

Nope, he looks like a real good neo-con in sheep’s clothing.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

BB,

You think Joseph Welch would have something different to say if he had known then what we know now? Turns out we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Tailgunner Joe as he was right all along.

/are you guys playing my greatest hits tape out there today?

BWAHAHAHAHA

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Former Lewis Staffer Served With Subpoena Says He Will Refuse to Comply

And

Breathtaking Abuse of the Constitution Joe Arpaio, Andy Thomas and Dennis Wilenchik hit New Times with grand jury subpoenas

There goes the rule of law.

Anarchy!

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Nice try Blowhard, no sale though. He’s all yours.

By Beltway Bandit

October 19, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

RW,
Yikes!

I’m out.

Y’all have a good weekend.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Forgot to add this to my 6:19.

October 19, 2007 5:22 PM {{Most of us here know…}}

Must be a new neo-con definition of MOST. Or is it, “It depends on what your definition of MOST mostly is.”!

Either that, or there are a boatload of mice (gerbils?) in that pocket!

When your own voice isn’t enough just use the old neo-con tactic of pretending to speak for untold numbers of others…

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

The overnight polls must have come in.

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rebuked a fellow San Francisco Bay-area liberal Friday for what she said were “inappropriate” comments about Iraq during a congressional debate.

These Democrats are nothing if not principl…….ah hell I couldn’t get through that sentence with a straight face.

Freaking losers

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Somebody has been reading my blogs

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

Thanks for keeping your latest tantrum under 1000 words.

Let’s see a show of conservative cyber hands. How many of you are miffed at being included in that “most of us know…” statement that has Stunty crying on his tofu or do you agree that most of us know?

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Speaking on neo-con cretins from the Sunflower state:

TOPEKA, Kan. — To abortion opponents, Phill Kline is a standard bearer. For abortion rights activists, he’s a dangerous ideologue.

Last year, GQ magazine called him the future of the anti-abortion movement, while Planned Parenthood put him on a list of 15 Americans it saw as major threats to abortion rights.

And despite losing his bid to remain Kansas’ attorney general last November, Kline’s credentials as a champion of the anti-abortion movement remain solid. He delivered the keynote address at the National Right to Life Committee’s convention in June in Kansas City, Mo.

“The soil of Kansas is stained red,” he told the gathering. “Abortion is sin, and sin always begins with a lie.”

The face of the Republican party - Kansas style!

By @@

October 19, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

The ACLU supports Phelps.

(((ST. LOUIS – July 21, 2006 – The American Civil Liberties Union of Eastern Missouri filed a lawsuit today on behalf of Shirley L. Phelps-Roper, a member of a controversial conservative Christian church, claims a Missouri law infringes on her rights to religious liberty and free speech.)))

Said they oughta be able to picket during soldier’s funerals.

Went to bat for her again when caught desecrating an American flag.

He’s a big fan of Fidel Castro and wrote a complimentary letter to Saddam Hussein.

I see ^^^ a lot of links between Phelps and liberals but nothing that links him to conservatives.

I know I read somewhere that one of his daughters-in-law had been a lawyer with the ACLU.

By Paul

October 19, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Viking kittens! Love it! That one’s going out to some cat fancier family members.

@@

That “test who’s your real candidate” thing freaks out most people who take it. I’ll bet the candidates would be just as freaked if they knew who their real “supporters” were!

Pleasant weekend, all -

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Valeria Plame is back. Seems she was undercover and working on keeping Iran from getting nukes by delivering poison pill blueprints. Rove exposed her, Cheney exposed her, Bush exposed her, and Iran knew better than to trust the recipe she gave them and the whole operation went bust.

That’s treason. I demand the resignation of George W Bush effective noon tomorrow. Ditto Cheney. Let the Speaker run things till the election next year.

Rove belongs behind bars, and I insist someone arrest him now.

alles sprechen der muffinheimer

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Lets’ see here since it’s getting late.

Dusty agrees with me at 6:03 and Noted Neocon Nancy Pelosi agrees with me at 6:38.

RW 3

Blowhard 1

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Make sure they watch all the way to the end so they see what the western shore really is.

By AmVet

October 19, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Dang, I forgot we’re talking about trying to reason with those devoted adherents to attention to detail.

Their love for the scientific method and mathematics gives them a unique insight that enables them to perform feats unknown even to Einstein himself.

So these remaining 30% of Americans who still are Bush apologists think they are MOST of us!!

Good luck with that and a good evening to all!

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

“The Democrats are really taking a lot on the chin…” — Poor Rush, pretending Larry Craig is a Democrat

Bwa.

By getalife †

October 19, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

I agree with PF’s 6:52 and would add there are many that should be locked up for breaking the law.

By @@

October 19, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

I stopped reading AmVet’s posts awhile back. Was there something I haven’t read a hundred times before?

Anything of interest?

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

He’s Spartacus.

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Most of US HERE, Blohard, most of US<——-the conservatives——HERE<——-at the scribblers blog——

Since you can write the most mind numbingly boring and lengthy manifestos, even though they often say nothing, you would think you could read AND comprehend one simple sentence.

Then again I wouldn’t understand where you’re coming from. I’ve never been a self-centered egotistical jacka$$.

/Don’t the MOST of US wish there was time to see the heads exploding over that last paragraph? :-)

By RW-(the original)

October 19, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

@@,

His 6:38 that he “forgot” to add to his 6:19, as if any of his posts need more drivel attached, referencing my 5:22. It’s amusing that he’s taken on the debating tactics of a three year old that can’t leave well enough alone, but thinks if he doesn’t type your name you can’t see him. Weird huh?

By @@

October 19, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Well one of AmVet’s revered “scientists”, Dr. James Watson did write a book about him…

Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.

Watson’s an idiot — a Nobel Prize winner, but an idiot just the same.

I think he was pretty much on target with that book about AmVet though.

Either we need to avoid his boring posts or he needs to avoid boring people to death WITH his posts.

By @@

October 19, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

RW:

(((Weird huh?))) Yep, weird indeed!

(((thinks if he doesn’t type your name you can’t see him.)))

Kinda like if he changes his name from Huge (Blowhard) his overbearing arrogance will be missed???

Gives himself waaaaayyy too much credit under his “assumed” name once again.