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By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, October 18, 2007, 08:00 AM

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By Shawny

October 18, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

sad. funny, but sad.

Here is a pretty good read regarding Hillary’s association with Sandy Berger.

Regarding working with Albright, Holbrooke, and Berger…[“While conservatives generally give them negative reviews, all three have substantial experience, close ties to the senator and her husband, and are exactly the sort of “old hands” who become key insiders in a campaign.

Except for one small detail. Sandy Berger isn’t just a former National Security Advisor - he’s also the only National Security Advisor in U.S. history to be convicted after stealing and destroying classified documents.”](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/sandybergerandthereal_hill.html)

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 18, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Mike drew them to look like wrestling freaks.

How appropriate.

Phony’s all.

By Blackadder

October 18, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike! Funniest one in a while!

By @@

October 18, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Hmmmmm…leather, masks, chains & whips?

What’s with you and guys in high-heels ml? Is the “big’un” in stilettos rushncap or Midori?

By The Way

October 18, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Just take one of the gloves off both Cheney and W and they can go as Michael Jacksons.

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

AWWWWW

By mountain man

October 18, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

How ironic that we “picked” these goons to lead our ship of state. What does it say about a society which would choose to be led by thugs? But then again America has had a long history of glorifying thuggery.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

HA! So that’s what they look like down in their dungeon!

Great depiction of both behind-the-scenes torturers— fabulous job, Lucko!

By The Way

October 18, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

I have a feeling Lucko’s not done with the halloween theme….

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

Republican Sexcapades videos

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

October 18, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Well if you call that torture, SIGN ME UP!!!!

By Eric

October 18, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

This is obviously a photograph taken in the basement of the Whitehouse. On target as usual.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

Great toon ML.

I think you and Borgman at the Cincinnati Enquirer are the two best in the biz.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Another rerun ml?

I guess BDS will do that to you.

By Blackadder

October 18, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

According to Bush WWIII will be hilarious

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Cheney can always get his Darth Vadar mask out for Halloween. Good ol’ standby.

Funny, funny cartoon! Maybe Craig can join them for a session.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

WWIII will be fought during prime time and commercial sponsporship sold to all the warring factions.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

ITN 8:56,

I think that transformation began ironically with FDR and his plethora of government entitlement programs. It was set in stone under LBJ and ever since then the Democrats play the fear card every single election, bar none.

They even run commercials about it. Seen the one with Republicans throwing Granny down the stairs in her wheel chair? How about the little kids they trot out to scare you into thinking Republicans want to take away their care so they can die.

By the way, while you’re over at Truthout how about finding out how that Cheney indictment is coming along. Check with Jason Leopold.

BWAHAHA

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 18, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

It is bemusing to me that none of you hate-America-always, knee-jerk liberal, wacko-leftist wingnuts never condemn these interrogation methods in reference to people like Kennedy, Truman and Kennedy. You also seem to foreget that the Palmer Raids took place under one of your great Socialist heroes, Thomas Woodrow Wilson! What a bunch of hypocrites you are!

By Anonymous

October 18, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

The current administration is 100% dependent on fearmongering. Without it, they wouldn’t have gotten away with all their insane power grabs and blatant violations of the law.

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

” the Democrats play the fear card every single election, bar none.”“

That just makes my day.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Anonymous,

I’ll try to make this easy on you since I know how much you moonbat(ic)s® hate research.

The New York City sky line looks considerably different than it did a few years ago. See if you can find an episode of Mad About You on TV Land or one of those other all rerun/all the time channels and check it out.

Now would you mind giving a detailed list of these power grabs along with citations from the Constitution that prove your case?

Also, and this one should be easy enough for even a braindead liberal to answer, please list these violations of the law. You did say they are BLATANT you know, so case law should accompany your answer.

I’ll be back about 3:00 to see how you did. I’m writing my prediction down in my Outlook notes right now. Good luck!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

According to the latest polls at least W and Congress have united the American people.

We are virtually all in agreement we don’t like either one of them.

I think it is house cleaning time for DC.

By luckovichisafirster

October 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

“”It is bemusing to me that none of you hate-America-always, knee-jerk liberal, wacko-leftist wingnuts ………”“”“

Oh, the irony. LMAO!!!! Gosh, I’m really scared of those hate-American-Americans.

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Republicans are guilty of Projection.

””“11. Psychology. a. the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way. “”“

If they mention it, if they blame it on somebody else - THEY ARE DOING IT.

By Bill of Old

October 18, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Woodrow Wilson a socialist, wow.

By The Watcher

October 18, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Some things never change.

Why to the GOPers here ask big stupid questions?

Could it be that they are not really addressing any issues.

It’s b!tch, whine etc all day long.

Come on boys tell us why you are proud of Bush and co?

And try to make it something true.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Here’s your boy Sanchez for you:

{{{{The media. “It seems that as long as you get a front-page story there is little or no regard for the ‘collateral damage’ you will cause. Personal reputations have no value and you report with total impunity and are rarely held accountable for unethical conduct… . You assume that you are correct and on the moral high ground.” “The speculative and often uninformed initial reporting that characterizes our media appears to be rapidly becoming the standard of the industry.” “Tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats.” And: “The death knell of your ethics has been enabled by your parent organizations who have chosen to align themselves with political agendas. What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war.”}}}}

And for the libs who run their mouths with gleeful abandon:

{{{{Congress and politics. “Since 2003, the politics of war have been characterized by partisanship as the Republican and Democratic parties struggled for power in Washington… . National efforts to date have been corrupted by partisan politics that have prevented us from devising effective, executable, supportable solutions. These partisan struggles have led to political decisions that endangered the lives of our sons and daughters on the battlefield. The unmistakable message was that political power had greater priority than our national security objectives.”}}}}

And for a very fitting Grand Finale:

{{{{He says leaving Iraq is not an option, and he has no doubt about the threat: “As a nation we must recognize that the enemy we face is committed to destroying our way of life.”}}}}

Out of all of this^^, all that the pinko media extracts is that “there is no end in sight?”

Why did they hide the rest from us (See bullet paragraph one^^.)

Duh.

By jacksonwolff

October 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

“It is bemusing to me that none of you hate-America-always, knee-jerk liberal, wacko-leftist wingnuts never condemn these interrogation methods in reference to people like Kennedy, Truman and Kennedy. You also seem to foreget that the Palmer Raids took place under one of your great Socialist heroes, Thomas Woodrow Wilson! What a bunch of hypocrites you are!”

umm, does it count if you weren’t alive during any of these administrations?

Yeah, cause you see i’m only 30. I’m not saying it was more or less right then than it is now, and I can see the need for “extrinuous interogation” if the right situation were to pop up, But if it is something that we have to “render” someone to another country to get, then maybe we need to question that. If we dont have the cahonies(sp?) to do it ourselves, then we probably shouldn’t be doing it

By mike

October 18, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Gee, Congressional approval rating a 11% and Mikey has yet to find one thing to criticize them for.

Now that is intellectual honesty! This puts Mike up there with all of thos non-paritsan, unpredictable pundits like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter or Bob Herbert.

Tell us again how you just draw whoever is in power Mikey. Maybe some day you will believe it.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

The contrast in what is taking place in the Repug Party leadership now — with their war-mongering, shock-n-awe desires — is simply breathtaking:

“”The peace we seek, founded upon decent trust and cooperative effort among nations, can be fortified, not by weapons of war but by wheat and by cotton, by milk and by wool, by meat and by timber and by rice. These are words that translate into every language on earth. These are needs that challenge this world in arms.”“— Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

{{{{Liberals claim to believe the Klan has established a beachhead at Columbia University, Bill O’Reilly is head of the Manhattan branch, Rush Limbaugh despises the troops, I’m planning a pogrom from the heart of Manhattan, and George Bush is establishing fascism in America.}}}}

{{{{Some anonymous liberal hag on Air America Radio, which no one knew was still on the air, fell down outside her Park Avenue apartment this week, and her liberal colleagues were claiming it was Kristallnacht.}}}}

{{{{If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it’s a right-wing dirty trick.}}}}

{{{{Liberals love nothing more than these constant self-righteous-athons — as if they would ever have the courage to stand up for any cause not universally supported by everyone around them.}}}}

By Midori

October 18, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

@@ @ 8:35 — I thought it was your mother?

By getalife

October 18, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

wingnut Brownback dropped out.

I see you have some rain but a recession is coming.

Great toon Mike, those are evil doers.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

{{Tell us again how you just draw whoever is in power Mikey. Maybe some day you will believe it.}}

And you’re still confused and uninformed about “whoever is in power” today???

Are you unable to pay attention? Who do YOU think is in power, with the constant drumbeat of “presidential war powers” in the news everyday— Hillary? Obama? Kucinich?

By getalife

October 18, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

vote for homopobes? Never.

Stay out of my bedroom.

Geez.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Articles of Impeachment

Yeap, sounds about right to me.

By Bill of Old

October 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

So Woodrow Wilson arrests Socialist Eugene Debs, and closes socialists newspapers, and arrests socialists in the Palmer Raids and that makes him a Socialist. With that logic, no wonder you wingnuts have this country,with chief GWB,into what its become.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

{{{{These days, and not just my view, they do more damage psychologically than they do physically. Even though the attacks can cause significant damage, the psychological damage and perception damage by grabbing the headlines and the images on TV are by far worse. They continue to try to give the perception that they are winning each time that happens and that is nothing more than a false perception.}}}}

{{{{Col. Steve Boylan is a US Army colonel currently serving in Iraq.}}}}

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

ITN, regarding Rudy’s advisors, many are aware of his blunder in cozying up so extremely closely to his buddy Bernie Kerik, his very crooked and convicted police commissioner. Both have numerous shameful aspects to their past and I would say that morally Rudy is very suspect with a large part of the country.

And though corrupt politicians in NYC are about as common as they are in Washington, it says a great deal about Giuliani’s character or lack thereof. And why would the nation replace one neo-con nincompoop chickenhawk with another?

It appears most Republicans are beginning to see him as a one trick pony - his ace is, and always be, saying 9/11 at every chance.

And to the remaining, but dwindling, neo-con “faithful”, fear mongering/national security/invasion is the ONE issue on which they can love him. Otherwise he is detested and is considered a RINO on social and fiscal issues.

But it is this ONE issue - his support of, even love for, Bush’s war - that is going to cost him the moderate, progressive, centrist and Democratic cross-over votes that he would otherwise get, and desperately needs, even though he is rational, especially by Republican standards, on abortion, etc…

But Rudolph Podhoretz? The man who “prays we bomb Iran”? The man who, along with William Kristol championed and epitomize this failed philosophy, has been almost universally repudiated on virtually everything he has recommended for the neo-cons?

What the hell is the former NYC mayor thinking?

These are the men who brought you this insane, neo-con, Republican ideology that is euphemistically called conservatism.

But the American people are no longer fooled by it.

And come November of next year, the GOP is going to have a second straight opportunity to learn their lesson the hard way.

By Anonymous

October 18, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

RW, I know you like to quibble minor points to distract from the big picture, but you know the power-grabs and lawbreaking as well as I do—you just choose to pretend they don’t exist.

So just this once, I’ll indulge you by spelling out the more obvious atrocities, many of which Bush himself has admitted to!

POWER GRABS USA-PATRIOT Act Signing statements “Free speech zones;” (regulation of political speech is illegal) Expanded wiretapping authority Invention of the “unitary executive” theory Investigation and questioning of political “enemies” (Joe Wilson, etc.) Invoking “executive privilege” to hide documents Ignoring Congressional requirements for information Ignoring court orders

BLATANT VIOLATIONS OF LAW Admitted program of warrantless wiretaps/FISA violations Pre-emptive invasion of Iraq in violation of treaty Invention of “enemy combatants” category Lying to the American public about WMDs Ordering or approving coverups, distortions, and intelligence-fixing to justify the war Suspension of habeas corpus C-in-C responsibility for Abu Ghraib, CIA secret prisons, torture, and other war crimes (this is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, which are law) Guantanamo Bay, every aspect of which is a violation of the federal War Crimes Act as well as Constitutional rights and other laws (detention without charge or counsel, extraordinary rendition, torture, denial of Red Cross access, etc.)

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

I have a question for all the libs on this blog.

What should our reaction to 9/11 have been? If you were in charge, how would you have handled that? In your response, please include how you would have changed our intelligence gathering to ensure we prevent another attack since it’s been generally stated you disagree with what this administration has done.

By Dusty

October 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

IN THE OOZE

Osama bin laden awards Luckovich his prestigious Anti-American Award for Outstanding Subversion.

Along with this prize comes two oil wells and one gold beheading sword.

By Midori

October 18, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

@@,

Sorry about the ‘your mother’ comment. I’m upset because my mother never loved me. Unfortunately, I took that out on my own kids and that is why the state has them now and I’m just projecting my guilt onto you. Will you accept my apology?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

I have a question for all the libs on this blog.

What should our reaction to 9/11 have been? If you were in charge, how would you have handled that? In your response, please include how you would have changed our intelligence gathering to ensure we prevent another attack since it’s been generally stated you disagree with what this administration has done.

By Anonymous

October 18, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Bosch: Thanks for the link, that summarizes the points I was making very effectively.

RB: Perhaps, in response to 9/11, we should’ve gone after the ACTUAL ONES WHO ATTACKED US? Doesn’t that sound reasonable?

By RE

October 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

I don’t know what I would have done, but I wish I was with Sen.Craig at that time. Now, with the increased surveillance, I can’t meet getalife and my other partners for our usual bathroom romps. Its tragic really, because that was our moment. Our moment! Do you hear me? George Bush took that away and I’m going to do everything I can to get him and his right wing cronies out of office!

By getalife

October 18, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

AT&T, other telecoms, buy victory in lawsuits The fact that this was completely predictable does not make it any less reprehensible

They gave OBL amnesty too.

Geez, I wonder if our government is broken and why wingnuts cheer this on?

By Midori

October 18, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

hahahahaha

good one @ 9:59. when the wingnuts get flustered, their one and only resort is to namejack.

I’ll bet you guys take “trick or treat” to an entirely different level.

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Goldie - It is truly sad you don’t have even know the actual meaning of it. In fact, liberal really doesn’t mean socialist, but that is what liberals want in America today. Conservatives want freedom - free enterprise, true free speech and freedom from foreign invasion. True, George Washington warned against foreign entanglements, but he did not live in a world with jet planes, ICBMs and crazy Muslim terrorists. We conservatives are proud of our Western culture and wish to preserve it. You liberals just want to tear it down at every conceivable opportunity. You are the real scare mongers making the charges that we conservatives are ‘comin’ for our children’ and want to kick sick children and old people to the curb. You lie, you cheat, you steal and you condone behavior in your ‘leaders’ which you roundly condemn in those who are politically opposed to you. Ted Kennedy can commit a homicide, harass women and be a drunken fool, but he ‘cares’ because he has the ‘right’ position on the issues, so all is forgiven. Ditto to Bill and Hillary Clinton. We true conservatives have not changed our principles, but we have had to change our tactics as isolationism is no longer a tenable policy which would preserve our way of life. Isolationism is not possible in today’s world. Not all nations and religions and other ‘groups’ are going to make nice just because we ask them to. They hate us because they do. They don’t even have to have a reason. We tried that tack before WWII and it sure did not work then. You liberals have never taken to heart the old axiom that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions! Your intentions may even be pure, but your naivite makes them just pure foolishness.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

RE,

How dare you discuss our business.

Too many wingnuts here.

Keep it in the closet dude.

Geez.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Anonymous, The “ACTUAL ONES WHO ATTACKED US” were all on the planes and are all dead. Please be more specific in your answer as that one was pretty shallow. You’re in charge of a country here who has been attacked on 9/11 (following the Cole bombing, WTC in ‘93, embassys, etc.) What’s your plan?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Anonymous, The “ACTUAL ONES WHO ATTACKED US” were all on the planes and are all dead. Please be more specific in your answer as that one was pretty shallow. You’re in charge of a country here who has been attacked on 9/11 (following the Cole bombing, WTC in ‘93, embassys, etc.) What’s your plan?

By Midori

October 18, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Why is RE discussing you guys private business @10:05? I thought you were keeping it a secret from all these idiot wingnuts. What gives?

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

duh is having another meltdown and will be banned again.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Sometimes RE doesn’t know when to shut up.

How private lives are nobody’s business.

Geez.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

{{You liberals have never taken to heart the old axiom that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions! Your intentions may even be pure, but your naivite makes them just pure foolishness.}}

Head Case— and the new axiom is “the road to Hell is paved by Neo-Conservatives”! Thanks a bunch for taking America down your road to Hell…

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Grow up duh.

Geez.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

RB, I would have done exactly what George W. Bush did and go after OBL and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I would have increased security measures in this country, exactly as they have been - in airports, etc. I would also make sure there is plenty of money budgeted so that these security measures can be updated as needed-money that is now wasted in Iraq.

I would have increased intelligence gathering - the only thing I would have done different than GWB, I would have made sure that what I did was legal.

I would enforce strict border patrol measures to ensure that we know exactly who comes in and out of this country.

I would not have lied to the American people and told them Iraq had weapons of mass destruction they were planning to use against us in order to trump up support for a war that I was planning before 9/11.

I would not have authorized an invasion of Iraq and used the trillion or so dollars wasted in that country to ensure my intelligence and security measures were the absolute best they could possibly be to ensure the safety of the American people.

I would not have hidden behind a veil of “in the name of national security” in order to get everything I want.

Do I need to continue?

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

The administration’s init1al reaction to 9/11 was spot on and the President’s leadership was obvious.

And though this is hard for the extremists, on both sides, to understand or acknowledge, this was NOT a Republican vs. Democratic or liberal vs. conservative issue. This was an AMERICAN issue.

Though I have never liked his politics, I was so thankful the the President wasn’t also killed that terrible day. It would have been a thousand times worse for the nation had he died.

And immediately following those attacks he did one helluva job IMHO. And the entire nation was united and practically all of our friends and allies around the world stood with us.

And you would be hard pressed to find anyone in this country who didn’t fully support going into Afghanistan and seriously kicking some Taliban a$$.

BUT then unfortunately the neo-con reality set in and the biggest foreign policy blunder since Viet Nam began in earnest…

I think most here can fill in the rest.

By RE

October 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

How can you tell who the gay terrorist on an airplane is? He’s the one whose light’n the loafers.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

IntheNews @ 10:08 — I like how the acronym has the “e” at the end of potato.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Methinks INT 9:23 is at play with this wanker.

Stop hitting on me.

Me ♥ the ladies.

Freak.

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett - you made some wonderful points, but you are wasting your time. These liberal wingnuts are not one bit interested in facts. They are just blinded by an irrational hatred for one political party and especially one man. It is a real shame.

By The Watcher

October 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

RB,

Let’s trace where those dead guys came from (hint: it wasn’t Iraq) and PLAN thoroughly and execute an appropriate retaliation.

Oh, but I’d make sure that some of their relations weren’t flown out of the country that day. (hint: guess who arranged that)

And I wouldn’t let any of their buddies help determine our enegy policy.

And I wouldn’t have any of them sleep over at the white house or hold their hands.

OH, and I wouldn’t invade a country that didn’t attack us for their oil.

By RE

October 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Sorry about the slip up @10:05. Won’t happen again sweetie.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife† October 18, 2007 10:19 AM duh is having another meltdown and will be banned again.}}}}

al-Gitmo: For some reason I don’t think that Polly likes you very much.

And considering that it most likely works for the Atlanta Urinal Constitution, you’re right, I’ll probably be the one to get banned.

By RE

October 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

getalife,

What are you saying? I thought you loved me. We don’t have to hide because of these wingnuts. We should express our true feelings for one another publicly.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

True and cheney did a good job until he decided with addington to trash Constitution and the rule of law.

Frontline’s cheney law on PBS is good history on their unAmerican criminal activity.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Stop wanking PF.

I am not a Craig, wide stance kind of guy.

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You should have told me you swung that way. All this time I thought I was the only one, but now that I know I’m not alone, we can get to know each other a little better.

That is, if RE doesn’t mind a third party. A little menage a trois never hurt anybody.

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Anonymous, The “ACTUAL ONES WHO ATTACKED US” were all on the planes and are all dead.

Poppycock.

With this mentality it would have been sufficient to merely kill the Japanese aviators who attacked Pearl Harbor. Leaving the naval forces, much less the Japanese nation not culpable?

These terrorist were funded, trained and coordinated by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Is this even up for serious discussion?

Is it just me or do I remember the President telling the nation that any country that assists or harbors these terrorist enemies are enemies themselves?

Damn straight Mr. President!

But what the hell ever happened to the actual prosecution of that view.

Not one damn thing. They were apparently just empty words.

We are spending about $275 million a day in Iraq. Every day!!!

Think if just a fraction of that was going to developing a world class intel network.

I’m talking about good old fashioned spies, moles, plants, etc…

Would it be difficult to implement? You bet your arse it would.

But think where we COULD be today, six plus years down the road, if that had been a national priority.

We might just have the wherewithal to actually strike surgically at anytime and in anyplace, high value targets with a very improved, if not great likelihood of success.

Saudi Arabia, Syria, Malaysia, whoever, all of them have been warned - if you harbor the enemy, and will not eliminate them, we will.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

RB,

Are you serious? The attackers were all on the planes and are now dead? You are actually going with that?

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Mr. Headcase,

Do you not see the hypocrisy of your statement at 10:28?

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

getalife, although The Cheney Doctrine will go down in history as one of this country’s greatest “mis-accomplishments”, to his credit, one of the very few things he actually understood was that fighting this new type of war cannot be won with the conventional military approach we have always used.

Yet he also said that, “You go to war with the army you have”.

What a recipe for success - Ready! Fire! Aim!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

So you believe these comments about Iraq and WMD’s are lies?

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

“Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”

Are we all agreed these are lies?

BTW, if the war was for oil, why don’t we have control of the oil fields today? They still appear to be in the control of the Iraqis.

Can you name 1 thing the Dems have done in the last 30 years to make us more energy self sufficient?

By mm

October 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Mike,

This toon made me laugh out loud. The big bad torturer Cheney and his little evil assistant W. And the poor soul hanging from the wall is the American public.

It’s tiresome to see the same old daily rants from the wingnuts:

If you aren’t a republican, you are a freeloading burden on society.

If you aren’t a republican, you are un-American.

If you arent a republican, you hate the troops.

If you aren’t a republican, you hate God.

If you aren’t a republican, you murder babies.

Lie. Spin. Duck and cover.

By reebok

October 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Lazy cartoon, ML. Yes, Bush & Cheney are wretched, evil men - that’s a given. It’s been done and done and done. But a Pulitzer winner should have a little more imagination than this.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

And I guess since suicide bombers blow themselves up we should worry so much about them either.

By John Fitzgerald Page

October 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

How come I can’t get no dates????????

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

RB,

I don’t know about everybody else, but I vote yes.

Why hasn’t the Iraqis used that oil money to help us with this war like we were promised?

Can you tell me anything the Republicans have done in the past 30 years to make us more energy self-sufficient?

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Let me rephrase my 10:55:

AmVet,

And I guess since suicide bombers blow themselves up we SHOULDN’T worry so much about them either.

Sorry.

By Soothsayer

October 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

—Herman Goering

By Crap! He's Stupid!

October 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

“BTW, if the war was for oil, why don’t we have control of the oil fields today? “

BECAUSE OUR IDIOT PRESIDENT

AND HIS IDIOT ADMINISTRATION

HIRED IDIOTS TO PLAN IT

AND THOSE IDIOTS HAVE BLOWN IT!

Can we get this guy sterilized? We do not need any more people as mentally defective as this on the planet.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

{{Are we all agreed these are lies?}}

As in:

“mushroom cloud”, “mobile weapons labs”, “no doubt”, “greeted as liberators”…. oh, and don’t get me started on your goon Colin Powell going before the UN with his cartoon drawings!

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 10:59— I remember how Ray-gun came to the White House in ‘81 and immediately had all the solar panels removed that President Carter had installed 30 years ago… and that was the beginning of the dismantling of every program the Dems had started for pursuing alternative energy sources.

It all began with Ray-gun in essence saying: “America will stay in the pockets of Big Oil for generations to come!”

By RNB

October 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

How about going as a one-note political cartoonist? Naaaah. That’s not scary, just sad.

By The Way

October 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

How can you tell who the gay terrorist is on an airplane? He’s the one light’n the loafers.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Iraqi Contracts With Iran and China Concern U.S.

Told ya, they are not our ally and wasted a trillion for nothing. But lets not insure the American children.

Geez.

By Crap! He's Stupid!

October 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Look RB has got his N costume on.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

They are debating children’s health care on C-Span.

Good stuff.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

I’m glad we all agree. The comments were from, in order…

Bill Clinton Madeline Albright Sandy (docs in pants) Berger Al Gore Al Gore Ted Kennedy John Kerry

My point in this is this was not Bush’s war when it started. BOTH parties got us into this thing. Agree or disagree with whether or not we should be there, this was not Bush’s war and it wasn’t for oil. The Dems are acting like a bunch of children who all thought throwing rocks at the window as a good idea until they got caught and then they blamed it all on George. It was all his idea. That is so childish it’s not even funny.

We’re there people. We’re there until it’s stable enough to take care of itself. We broke it and we bought it and your leadership is every bit as responsible for it as W. Open your eyes.

The R’s want to drill in anwar. Still waiting for 1 thing the Dems have done to make us energy self sufficient.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Which prooves my theory that neo-cons hate sunlight - it makes them blow up - Cheney in his secret bunker? Yeah, we know what he’s doing, sleeping down there until sundown. :-)

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

I’m glad we all agree. The comments were from, in order…

Bill Clinton Madeline Albright Sandy (docs in pants) Berger Al Gore Al Gore Ted Kennedy John Kerry

My point in this is this was not Bush’s war when it started. BOTH parties got us into this thing. Agree or disagree with whether or not we should be there, this was not Bush’s war and it wasn’t for oil. The Dems are acting like a bunch of children who all thought throwing rocks at the window as a good idea until they got caught and then they blamed it all on George. It was all his idea. That is so childish it’s not even funny.

We’re there people. We’re there until it’s stable enough to take care of itself. We broke it and we bought it and your leadership is every bit as responsible for it as W. Open your eyes.

The R’s want to drill in anwar. Still waiting for 1 thing the Dems have done to make us energy self sufficient.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

RB,

Oh Jesus, okay, you tricked us. Good job. So, let’s take those quotes and put them into context, years, dates of quotes, etc. Are some of these people saying this as a result of the false intelligence they were given? Maybe?

How does drilling in ANWAR make us less addicted to oil which is actually the real problem?

By The Way

October 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

RB’s comment would have been very astute and geo-politically correct……if he had written it three years ago. As it is, he’s only proved he’s a hack like the rest of you. If I can find one person who has predictive insights……I’ve been Searching for ten years on the internet for an equal…..think tank much?

How can you tell which airline passenger is a gay terrorist? He’s the one light’n his loafers.

There’s more truth about the history of the world in that joke than in all the comments written on this blog in that last two years.

alles muffenheimer sprechen ze

By Paul

October 18, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Bosch 10:59

[[Can you tell me anything the Republicans have done in the past 30 years to make us more energy self-sufficient?]]

Finally, truly a bipartisan issue. Just change it to “Republicans and Democrats” and you have a winner.

Kerry admitted as much some months back. Congress did not need to wait for Presidential leadership but didn’t step up. And now we have extremes of either drill in Anwar or funnel subsidies to agricultural conglomerates, with all the unintended consequences we now see.

Who was it - Pogo in the comic strip?

“We have met the enemy and he is us.”

BTW - I took RB from Gwinnett’s response as a sarcastic one, purposely as shallow as the initial soundbite response he got. RB - good question, got a couple good responses back, but it’s challenging here to separate a policy discussion from a political blame discussion.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

It was President Clinton who gave us SCHIP for American children and a gop congress approved 10 years ago.

Now, the gop will stand with a gop President to take it away.

The gop have broken government, will not work with the dems and then try to reelected by saying the dems have not done anything.

And that is truth.

By Barb Halaburt

October 18, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

God love ya Mike!

You never fail to bring a chuckle to my mornings. Today’s cartoon was just the levity I needed amid the doom and gloom of global warming, conflict with Turkey and the drought!

Keep up the good work!

By Pagan Poster

October 18, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, Mike. And Cheney’s stiletto heels are a nice touch, too!

By mm

October 18, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

RB,

Congress, the American public, and the UN were all lied to about Iraq. Everyone believed the trumped up intel that was being put forward. Therefore everyone approved of the invasion of Iraq.

Once it was known that we invaded Iraq under a pretext of lies, everyone with common sense withdrew their support. That left only the wingnuts supporting it.

The democrats have not denied voting for the invasion. But they have enough sense to admit they were wrong in doing so.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Goldie, You’ve got to be kidding. A lack of energy self sufficiency is Reagan’s fault because he took solar panels off the WH 30 years ago?? You need to put down the crack pipe and open some windows or something, sweetie, cause that’s just nuts. And do you really think the President is that involved in the maintenence of the WH??? Does he mow the grass, clean the baseboards, and do dishes too? Should we blame lead based paint used on the WH during Kennedy’s term on him? That’s just plain stupid, Goldie.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

w’s campaign promise on American children’s health care was broken like he has done to our government.

The gop can stand with the worst President in history or 10 million American children.

The gop will choose the worst President ever. Why in world would any Americans reelect any gop?

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

RB,
I would have gone into Afghanistan and routed the Taliban. I would have captured or killed Mulla Omar, the Taliban leader at the time of the attack. I would have captured or killed Osama bin Laden.

I would not have farmed out the chasing down of these very bad guys to tribal leaders or contractors.

I would have reviewed the intelligence capabilities of the U. S. government and looked for areas of improvement. I would have gotten involved in the details.

I would have rewarded employees that came forward with the missed opportunities that may have helped us anticipate the attack.

By rushncap

October 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

RB — it’s not what a politician says, but what he does that matters. None of those Democratic politicians were brain-dead enough to actively pursue an invasion of Iraq. Unless, of course, you see absolutely no difference between someone telling you “f#$k you!” and someone actually ripping off your pants and, well… you know the rest. Words (especially of politicians) don’t matter. Actions do.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

Your comments like “It was President Clinton who gave us SCHIP for American children and a gop congress approved 10 years ago.

Now, the gop will stand with a gop President to take it away. ” are so wrong they show you to be a shallow thinking pawn of the national news morons.

Lets try some simple math with you and see if you can add and subtract…

If I gave you $10 last year and this year you asked me to give you $12, but I only agreed to give you $11, would you call that a “cut” in the amount I’m giving you or is it actually an increase, but just not as much as you want?

That’s what’s happeing with SCHIP. The pres is not giving them all the increase they want, but is still giving an INCREASE over prior years. This moronic “if it’s for kids, poor, or old people you have to approve it all or your mean spirited hate mongers” needs to stop. It’s downright dishonest. THINK!!

By rushncap

October 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

RB — it’s not what a politician says, but what he does that matters. None of those Democratic politicians were brain-dead enough to actively pursue an invasion of Iraq. Unless, of course, you see absolutely no difference between someone telling you “f#$k you!” and someone actually ripping off your pants and, well… you know the rest. Words (especially of politicians) don’t matter. Actions do.

By Sailor

October 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

the sailor said Andi/e-duh, you’re a fine girl…

Oh no, Mister Luckovich you done did it now!

Andi/e-duh will be so turned on by your cartoon today I won’t be able to keep her off my joystick!

Sailor

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

RB, two things. First you need only click on the Post button once.

RB, two things. First you need only click on the Post button once.

Just kidding on that second one!

Secondly, you correctly assert, IMHO, that BOTH political parties are implicit in this invasion and bungled occupation.

Though the GOP has to take the bulk of the “credit” for the poor design, mis-implementation and unquestioning support of it and the Democratic leadership the “credit” for a lack of political courage to realize that this was absolutely the wrong man and administration to prosecute it and vote accordingly.

Then virtually the very next thing out of your mouth/keyboard is how the Dems are apparently solely to blame (ONE thing?) for the energy crisis and the GOP gets a pass.

Again, it is my experience that only extremists see these issues as being caused by just one party or the other.

I believe you even said yourself, that there is precious little difference between the two political parties now.

BTW, that is, to a great extent, a position I agree with. (Or more correctly with which I agree).

As for Ronnie taking down the solar panels and your ensuing reply, I have always felt that in many, many, many cases the President either gets much undue credit or blame - whether it’s jobs, the stock market, whatever.

He can guide policy but he is not the be all, end all of it.

I believe his more important role is sometimes by being an example that the rest of us can look up to.

This is what got Clinton rightfully in such hot water. Being a bad example in regards to fidelity, etc…

Reagan’s pooh poohing using alternative energy sources (IF there was not a superior reason for doing so) would be another example of failed leadership by example.

A gesture that in effect, gives the rest of America, or at least his ardent supporters, the OK to follow his seemingly short sighted and irresponsible lead.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are right, and I’m not trying to blame republicans - I was just flipping it back because Republicans haven’t done anything either to make us more energy efficient - and I don’t buy that drilling for oil in ANWAR is the solution to the problem.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

{{Agree or disagree with whether or not we should be there, this was not Bush’s war and it wasn’t for oil.}

RB— we have all agreed that this IS BUSH’s war, not the Dems. It was all his idea to beat the drums of “WAR IS THE ANSWER” for Iraq and “it’s my way or the highway”… he took every bit of support that our allies had for us on Sept. 12th and turned it into a weapon to beat his drums for BOMBS AND WAR ONLY for Iraq! “Remove the inspectors on the ground — I don’t care that there are no WMDs to be found!”

This is entirely your guy Dubya’s never-ending occupation in the Middle East, and it’s all about “our oil” companies continuing their occupation.

By RE

October 18, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Apparently, I have already been posting for an hour and a half, wonder how I could have done that.

How about a little random opinion question here;

By percentage, how confident are you that there will be a presidential election in Nov 2008?

This would mean that GWB will step down from office and that no special securitry situation might pop up that would force us to delay the election “for the safety of the country”

I am about 90% sure the election will occur, but not 100% certain anymore.

By GodHatesTrash

October 18, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Sailor is right, Luckovich’s cartoon today is just porn for rightwingnuts.

Even Bi Danish’s dried and shriveled nether regions are stirred today by your depictions of his/her heroes, Mr. Luckovich.

Can you think of anything more disgusting?

Neither can I.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

{{The R’s want to drill in anwar.}}

Ribbit— that’s “The R’s” contribution for energy self-sufficiency? Do you know how long those reserves are predicted to last in ANWR??? And, c’mon, don’t inflate and conflate what you know about ANWR!

By Taking a closer look

October 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Was there faulty intelligence before 2000 because dems were making their Iraq WMD claims before Bush took office.

Based upon the alleged Iraqi threat, Clinton ordered a massive four-day bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998, forcing the evacuation of inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) and the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA.)

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Ha, Congressman Shular, a dem, just played the pro life card in the American children’s heathcare debate.

Vote pro life gop.

I bet they don’t.

By Vincent

October 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Luckovich is nothing but a schill for the Move-On Democrat party. He really takes it up the a* for them.

By GodHatesTrash

October 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Chickenhawks - you can run but you can’t hide - enlist!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

If Hillary becomes Prez do you think she will have female pages or male pages? Will wild Bill get to help her interview?

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

{{Based upon the alleged Iraqi threat, Clinton ordered a massive four-day bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998,}}

And it was the inspectors in 2003 who said that any weapons labs that were in Iraq had been destroyed by Clinton… see, there’s a big difference in strategically taking out weapons labs vs. shock-n-awe and your guy’s “regime change”.

BTW, how’s that whole “regime change” thing coming these days???

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

October 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Right you are Vincent!

Luckovich, you NASTY!

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

vinnie,

Another Craig fan with a wide stance eh?

Pervert.

By Vinny

October 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Getalife - Luckovich is the pervert. Only his dimentia could come up with a cartoon like this. He isn’t a political satirist, he’s a pimp for the democrat party.

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

AmVet,
Don’t give these conservatives too much credit. No one was talking about Iraq until the President brought up the subject. I recall anticipating the day when OBL’s picture was on the front page of the newspaper with the banner headline: CAPTURED!

But Nooooooooooo

Instead we get mushroom clouds, aluminum tubes, and all the rest.

No Democrats were thinking about going into Iraq while we were engaged in Afghanistan until the President said we were in grave danger from that clown.

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

RB,
After you have posted don’t hit the back or refresh buttons on your browser. That’s what’s causing your double-taps.

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

October 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

The way I see this cartoon is Bush and Cheney just had their way with liberal Hollywood! Give them anti-Americans hell Dick!

You just know that the cute blond boy hanging there in that dungeon is Brad Pitt, who represents super liberal Hollywood. It must really rile you Anti-Christian Dems. Knowing that Dick and Bush just gave it to him good. Ohhhhhh, the things they must have done to that poor boy, all alone, in that steamy dungeon. They even have their Gannon/Guckert whips. Ooochie Ouchy.

You Osama loving Socialists Democraps just don’t get it!…Ha! I DO!

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

{{A lack of energy self sufficiency is Reagan’s fault because he took solar panels off the WH 30 years ago??}}

Ribbit— so what message did you get from Ray-gun’s actions in ‘81, and when did he ever propose or support ANYTHING other than Big Oil???

You must’ve been so proud of that old geezer Ray-gun who absolutely no clue about pursuing energy independence from the Middle East…

By Gonna Love 08

October 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Go Goldie Go, but you know like i do that they cant handle the truth. I have been watching The War on PBS, and if Luckodumb and Dusty and now RB had it there way in 41 instead of declaring war on Japan, they would prefer us to delcare war on Haiti instead of Japan, just like after 9/11. We cant attack Saudi, im to busy holding their kings hand and i dont want to upset them…

By Shawny

October 18, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

This is the crap that chaps my buttocks. Nice job of Novak exposing more ridiculous earmarking.

New taxes aren’t needed. The federal coffers are overflowing. Spending cuts and eliminating this crap will do nicely.

We need an ammendment that every single expense has to be voted on as stand alone items…no tag alongs.

By mm

October 18, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

What if by some miracle the SCHIP veto is overridden in the House?

It will definitely be overridden in the Senate.

Do you think Bush is crazy enough to refuse to sign it?

Or tack on a signing statement rendering it useless?

This man’s ego knows no boundaries.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

vinnie,

Awww, did this toon hurt your feelings?

Are you a gop w-hore?

By Truthman

October 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

This is for the religious neo-conmen and women on this blog:

“Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool…how much worse lying lips to a ruler.”

-Proverbs 17:7

By Shawny

October 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

yep…and W put them back.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

GFY (good for you swarmy),

You are against the wasted trillion in Iraq and all that gop pork in the last 6 years right swarmy?

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit, notwithstanding your correct assertions, the fact that a number of the Democratic front runners voted for the proposal to allow you know who to do you know what you know where, is at some level very troubling for me.

And that is why I find it almost impossible to endorse any of them, who for whatever reason, IMHO voted incorrectly on the single biggest issue of our time and on the single biggest vote of their lives.

BTW, one of the numerous awful feelings I had a few days after the attacks on us, was, “OH NO! Not now! (like there would ever be a good time?)! But not with THIS man in the White House!!!”

Of course, I cannot know what was in anybody’s “heart of hearts” regarding why they supported the invasion, but I have to conclude that in many cases it was merely for political expediency.

And apparently some have had their epiphanies on this matter, but only in a couple of cases (Hagel comes to mind) do I truly believe them. Maybe I’m a cynic.

But ONLY after the sh!t hit the fan did the supporters of this clusterf@ck, including numerous Republican rats, start jumping from the occupation ship.

But to me it is still amazingly shameful that BUT ONE SINGLE GOP SENATOR VOTED NO.

ONE.

And only six out of 223 Republican members of the House.

And that among several other major policy blunders is what is going to likely send them back to their long-standing and deserved minority position in Congress.

By Truthman

October 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Rep. Pete Stark speaks the truth on the House floor, and little Repugs get their feelings hurt.

Read it here before it’s removed from the Congressional Record:

Unedited transcript:

First of all, I’m just amazed they can’t figure out, the Republicans are worried we can’t pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where ya gonna get that money? You going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement. This bill would provide healthcare for 10 million children and unlike the President’s own kids, these children can’t see a doctor or receive necessary care. […]

But President Bush’s statements about children’s health shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than his lies about the war in Iraq. The truth is that Bush just likes to blow things up. In Iraq, in the United States and in Congress.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

“This is the crap that chaps my buttocks.”

Geez, are all you wingnuts perverts.

Damn.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Just think where America might be right now if we didn’t have a dud in the White House like Ray-gun in the ’80s:

[It’s also a boon for the environment. While the early solar power systems were primarily thermal and provided hot water, most of those now being installed are photovoltaic, which generate electricity. A government study concludes that, when compared with electricity produced by fossil fuels, each kilowatt of solar-produced electricity offsets up to 830 pounds of nitrogen oxides, 1,500 pounds of sulfur dioxide and 217,000 pounds of carbon dioxide each year.]#(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/15/REGCLP7U3U1.DTL&type=politics)

The bottom line is also influenced by the tier rate system used by utility companies. Excess electricity produced by a homeowner’s solar power system is funneled into the utility’s grid. The homeowner receives a credit based on when the electricity was produced. If it was produced during the peak hours of summer, the homeowner is credited at the higher rate of about 45 cents per kilowatt-hour. That credit offsets power used by the homeowner during winter months, for which he or she pays only about 14 cents per kilowatt-hour. “You save about three times what you spend,” says Gerber. “That’s what a lot of people don’t get.”

America can no longer afford to have the Repugs in the White House — time is of the essence in weaning ourselves from buying terrorists’ oil!

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Shawny,

Novak is a douche.

I personally liked this earmark better:

The Bridge to Nowhere: A National Embarrassment

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

AmVet,
Remember the timing of the vote. Just before the November elections. The administration was beating everyone over the heads with the “soft on terrorism” bat. These folks are politicians; of course they are not going to be “soft on terrorism” just before an election.

That does not excuse the spineless wimps that politicians are, but it is the nature of the creature.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Actually Swarmy, it was a gov’t entity called the National Park Service that put the solar panels back. I’m sure that W had very little to do with such a momentous decision.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

This is random, but is bugging the crap out of me:

Does anybody know why a field in a table in Microsoft Access would just suddenly stop showing up? It’s there, I checked the design view, but when you click onto the data view it’s not there! It was not like this last week! And the stupid “Help” button is no freaking help!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

{{{Sen. Obama added that he was “OK with” being related to Cheney, but noted that he wasn’t eager to be “invited to the family hunting party.”}}}

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Look at al-Gitmo, the 24/7 CNN has him fit to be tied:

{{{{By getalife† October 18, 2007 11:46 AM w’s campaign promise on American children’s health care was broken like he has done to our government.}}}}

Bush is going to increase the program by 5,000,000,000 dollars, which is sheer stupidity, but it damn sure ain’t “broken.”

Get ahold of yourself man.

~~~~~

{{{{By God’sTrash October 18, 2007 12:08 PM Sailor is right, Luckovich’s cartoon today is just porn for rightwingnuts.}}}}

It’s funny, but you do bring up a good point.

See, I have no idea of what male bondage outfits should look like, even trying to imagine would make me sick, but here we have Sailor and God’sTrash giving their approvals of the depiction, calling it porn even.

They must know what they are talking about.

And what about you mikey? You seem to get off on drawing the men in leather.

Sick, sick, sick.

By getalife†

October 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Veto overide on SCHIP vote failed 273-156.

2 dems voted with w.

Told ya, and w would use signing statements anyway because he is above the law.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 1:10 — in the design view, do you have the box labelled “Show” for that field enabled? It needs to have a checkmark in that field…

By AmVet

October 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Bandit, you are right, and I have heard about some voting yes to live politically and fight another day.

It is hard for me to remain patient though, given we are years into this debacle and I had a VERY bad feeling about it from the get go.

Unfortunately our illustrious and battled tested commander-in-chief has done NOTHING to convince me I was mistaken.

Paul, Kucinich, Obama and perhaps Richardson were the only candidates I’m aware of who were against this thing from the start.

And other than Barack, there are not a lot of viable options there, though IMHO Richardson would be a great choice.

By I C U

October 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh’s Christian principles tell him to let children suffer and die.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks Goldie! Got it.

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

16 Votes short.

It is a loss for America’s children.

It is also one more nail in the coffin of the GOP.

By Bill of Old

October 18, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Why are you people getting on poor ole Ronald Reagan, he’s been dead and in Hell for years now.

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

AmVet,
We get to elect the president, but we don’t get to choose the president.

First see who raises the most money. Then see who does well in Iowa and New Hampshire. (??? IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE ???)

We vote on who of the two major parties campaigns well and survives. And maybe a third party candidate to screw up one of the two. But Americans don’t get to choose.

I’ll vote the way I have the last several elections; whoever is the Democrat gets my vote. I know a few Republicans who are good people, but I do not believe that Republican politicians have my best interests at heart.

So it goes.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I don’t know why I bother debating with you. It’s like I’m trying to teach my cat to play classical piano. Waste of time….

However, more math lessons for you and a little about the economy too! I wish I had known everybody decided solar energy didn’t work because Reagan took panels off the WH 30 years ago. It would have saved me the time I spent looking into it for my own home. And here’s what I found. A system for an average home here in ATL would cost about $80K and would have a payback of at least 33 years. That assumes no maintenence issues with it over the next 33 years and no effect on being able to replace the roof under it. A payback of 33 years is just plane stupid from an economic standpoint. If the systems could be produced and sold with a reasonable payback, people would buy them. Thats how a free market works, Goldie. Companies make things people need, sell them at a profit, and they and their shareholders who own the company make money in the process. It’s really very simple if you’re capable of thinking. BTW, if you make something people won’t buy, you go broke and lose everything (I guess in your mind that would be W’s fault too).

Questions for you, Goldie… Do you have solar panels on your house? If not, why not? They are available and they do work. You would have to get a job and pay for them, but if you’re really committed, you could actually do that. How much of your money have you personally invested in solar energy (or any other non oil energy) research. Have you bought stock in a start up company trying to make things happen, or do you just want to sit back, throw bricks at W, and expect the government to spend other people’s money on it. You put up your money and then you can complain, Goldie, until then, you’re just another whiny liberal trying to spend other peoples money.

By Bill Clinton

October 18, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

I’m telling you I did not have a clue where that cigar should go so what makes you think I’d do better with a bombing campaign in Iraq?

Damn the torpedoes! Full speed a head!

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

RB,
Your cat does not have thumbs, so try teaching it the Clavier. Or maybe a little John Cage.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Some of you are a hateful bunch.

By The Watcher

October 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

“”until then, you’re just another whiny liberal trying to spend other peoples money.”“

Posted by another chickenhawk in Georgia.

Trying to spend some others kids life.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Bosch— I think I used that “Show” option disabled one time because of a formula that needed to use that field, but I didn’t want the field itself displayed in the query… stuff like that drives me nuts sometimes— I love Bill Gates, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve cursed at his programmers! :>)

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Thanks Bandit. Good suggestions.

Any suggestions how to deal with Goldie with no brain?

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

{{until then, you’re just another whiny liberal trying to spend other peoples money.}}

Yeah, Ribbit— your Do-Nothing Party certainly doesn’t want to give tax incentives for energy independence, correct? You’d much rather keep giving away MILLIONS to the Big Oil CEOs for their pocket-lining purposes! You should be so proud of what your party has done to America…

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

RB,
Sorry, the Clavichord would be suited to your cat’s thumb-less condition, not the Clavier.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks Bandit. Good suggestions.

Any suggestions how to deal with Goldie with no brain?

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

The liberals are wigging all the way out:

{{{{Remarks by Rep. Pete Stark suggesting that U.S. troops in Iraq are getting their heads “blown off for the president’s amusement” will forever live in posterity after Republicans tried and failed to censure the California Democrat during floor debate Thursday.}}}}

If anything got “cut” today it was the democrats Zanax prescriptions.

{{{{By I C U October 18, 2007 1:26 PM Luckoduh’s Christian principles tell him to let children suffer and die.}}}}

Actually, the Lord calls for you to give YOUR money to the poor, not someone else’s money, you stupid POS.

I am praying for your dumb as-s.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

So do y’all think that Stephen Colbert can get more votes than Pat Paulson did back in ‘68? I wasn’t old enough to actually vote in ‘68, but I sure remember Paulson and I thought his dry-witted campaign was a real American boy-grows-up-to-run-for-president story…

“I am from South Carolina and I am for South Carolina and I defy any other candidate to pander more to the people of South Carolina, those beautiful, beautiful people,” he said on “The Colbert Report.”

By Jesus Christ

October 18, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Listen Luckodud,

You useless piece of $hit, you are one flaming dumba$$,

I hate you.

You disgust me.

You eat babies.

You suck the blood of leperous maggots.

You roll in excrement and then stand in city parks eyeing little girls with bad intent.

You lick the back end of your dog because it looks so yummy.

You wife has been dead six months, and says the sex has never been better.

If Jesus talked like Luckoduh.

Nice.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Yes duh, the gop whined to strike his words but the speaker told them to quit whining.

I parayed for rain for ya’ll but he sent tornados.

I think he is trying to tell you something.

Repent! †

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

RB,
By the way, Goldie is not brainless. You two just have different opinions.

Can’t we all just get along? —Rodney King

By GOD

October 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Jesus - methinks you were far too easy on Luckoschmuck. I’d be more harsh. But at least you use language that BD, RW, Duh, @@ understand. It is their level of life and education. Thanks, Son.

By Jesus Christ

October 18, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Thanks Dad.

People who use your name in vain really pi$$me off.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

On Yahoo:

Iraq years away from self reliance.

Maybe W should consult with the Russians on who to install and maintain a puppet regime.

They were pretty good at it at one time and I am sure they would be happy to help.

Otherwise, after we leave we may have to invade them again down the road. After all, we have already done it TWICE and all we have to show for it is a cluster.

TTFN

By Willy

October 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Jesus. You hit their family values squarely on the head. Good Boy.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

RB 1:43

The one time I’m sure the free market worked was when I took Econ 101 and answered the test questions correctly.

We have nonfreemarket forces everywhere in our economy. I saw one study a few years back, said cut out all the various gov’t subsidies and the airline industry would have been profitable three years. We put tremendous resources into roads, hightways - the gas tax (what’s left after the siphoning) doesn’t come close.

I cited those because they’re consumers of energy. I think it wholly appropriate to subsidize certain industries to boost research and development, get through a couple of design cycles and get enough units out to bring costs down. Is it safe to say about the only energy field that gets significant taxpayer/government support is the petroleum (and maybe coal) industries?

Bottom line is, we’re in the Middle East because we have two strategic interests: oil and jihadists. If it wasn’t for that, we’d care about that region about as much as we care what happens in the South Pacific. No, less - South Pacific’s a great vacation spot.

It doesn’t strike me as that difficult - take US oil imports from the Middle East. Determine measures through increased domestic production and heavy domestic conservation to zero it out. Index both to account for future demand.

We’ll still have the jihadist problem to deal with (alliances with Israel are another matter - rather a side issue here). But I don’t think any subsidies we could imagine for alternate energy source development would come anywhere close to what we’re spending to maintain a Middle Eastern presence and guarantee the security of the oil routes.

By I C U

October 18, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh’s Christian principles endorse his use of profanity.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Look what I wrote in my Outlook notes this morning:

{{{“Anonymous” will come back with a laundry list of triple L talking points without any factual proof of any of them. 9:20AM}}}

As usual I was right.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Did you ever take a Civics course, read the Constitution, or even do any basic research?

If Congress overrides a veto it is law right then and there.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Good stuff here today!

Bosch asks what Republicans have ever done to become energy SELF-sufficient.

RB in Gwinnett says, rightfully, that Republicans wanted to drill in ANWR

To which Bosch responds, and I’m not making this up, {{{How does drilling in ANWAR make us less addicted to oil …}}}

You see why debating liberals is just an amusing pastime?

By Paul

October 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

In Other News

Well, just last week Rep Steny Hoyer (House Majority Leader) vowed the Armenian Genocide Bill (otherwise known as the Poke a Stick in an Ally’s Eye Bill) would come to the floor for a vote. Ditto for Spkr Pelosi a few days back.

I will give them credit for now backtracking - but from principle or political reality I’m not sure.

These folks sure aren’t providing much inspiration for voting for House Democrats in ‘08.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

I am sure the liberals would love to have a battle of wits with you conservatives if you weren’t shooting blanks.

By Rush Limbaugh

October 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

I know from experience….

If you have an addiction to something, say painkillers or maybe oil, all you need to get over the addiction is more painkillers or more oil.

And maybe two bottles of viagra on an all male vacation to a child porn capital of the world.

I be one big fat smart republicon.

By @@

October 18, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mr. Khamenehi better deliver this win/win proposal within nine days or I’ll be dead from curiosity.

Condi and Gates told Putin that they would move forward with the U.S. Anti-ballistic missile system in Europe but would withhold activating it until Moscow and the U.S. could agree on the Iranian threat.

My head is swimming.

I’m off to Syria. They’ve got something going on with Turkey.

By RE

October 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Energy independance would have production and consumption being equal.

CIA rankingof oil production

CIA ranking of oil consumption

So are you saying that ANWR is going to produce 13million barrels per day, roughly doubling our current total domestic output?

We need to switch away from oil. There is no one shot solution, it will be by diversifying energy production with solar, wind, nuclear, and geothermal. Battery power for cars to cut oil consumption. Carbon sequestration for coal fired plants.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Hey, justice finally wins through!

From Briebart: “The North Carolina Attorney General’s office has refused former prosecutor Mike Nifong’s request that the state represent him or pay his legal bills from a civil lawsuit against him filed by three Duke lacrosse players exonerated of rape.”

At least the taxpayers won’t get shafted twice - once for financing the fiasco and again for representing the (ahem, I refuse to use any noun or pronoun which may imply some measure of dignity) who engineered the fiasco.

@@

Putin’s building their reactors (care to wager who’s behind the engineering/construction for all the deep underground sites?). Seems the guy’s holding a few good cards, here.

By @@

October 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Oh, almost forgot…

Midori @ 9:37:

My Mom is about 5’5” and 108lbs. She hasn’t been able to wear heels for 12 years. Her equilibrium is off due to a mild stroke. Thanks for mentioning her though she’ll get a kick out of it.

I’ll tell her Midori said….”YO MAMA!”

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

If the planet Earth is an alien kid’s science project I wonder what his grade would be.

By Apocalypse

October 18, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Midori should have her clit removed for attacking @@’s mom. If she has one, that is.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Do Democrats ever get tired of being played for fools?

By Midori

October 18, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

my, my — look at the filthy mouthed can’tservatives.

I suppose another namejacking is in order.

fits the pattern.

you morons are nothing but predictable.

By mm

October 18, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

(R)epulsive (W)ingnut,

Concerning the signing of a law:

Actually if the president doesn’t sign it, it becomes law in 10 days. And then there is the issue of a pocket veto which is another story.

Concerning the drilling in ANWR, your brilliant post:

(((To which Bosch responds, and I’m not making this up, {{{How does drilling in ANWAR make us less addicted to oil …}}})))

What do you think we would be drilling for RW, Cheeze Wiz?

Bosch didn’t say Middle east oil, he said oil.

By IN THE NEWS

October 18, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

{{{Senator Chris Dodd plans to put a hold on the Senate FISA renewal bill because it reportedly grants retroactive immunity to telephone companies for any role they played in the Bush administration’s warrantless eavesdropping program, Election Central has learned. }}}

Sign the petition

By getalife

October 18, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

OBL just bombed Pakistan on Bhutto’s return with thousands in the streets.

Two bombs with one caught tape.

How is that OBL amnesty working out for you wingnuts?

Damn.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

I know this is tough for you, but you have to follow the conversation to see why that answer is so ridiculous.

And here I was nice enough put all the quotes in one handy post and you’re still too challenged to follow it.

Sheesh

Oh and you just failed another Civics test. If I thought you were capable of understanding it I’d explain it to you, but the ten days has nothing to do with a veto that’s been overridden.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa 3:47

Forrest Ackerman wrote “The Shortest Science Fiction Story Ever.” You turned the title page and there was a drawing of a report card. It was titled “Cosmic Report Card” and filling up the whole card was a big, fat “F.”

RW-(the original)

from your 3:51 link:

[[If Congresswoman Watson was telling the truth to the assembled activists, this raises the question of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s control over her own delegation, and even her awareness of what is going on in her own party; [either that], or that Ms. Pelosi has not been dealing forthrightly with the American people and the Adminstration. [Alternately] Congresswoman Watson was willing to [deceive] a gathering of the Democratic Party’s most active supporters.}}

What’s that “L” word so many were so fond of tossing about?

By RE

October 18, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

So far as impeachable crimes go, GWB has a nice out in most cases. He has a whitehouse council or the AG sign off on his interpretation of a law, sometimes going completely against prior standards. At that point he is justified and can do what he pleases for several years, as it would take a case going to the supreme court to reverse the opinion. Or, he can lobby the court to not hear the case based upon “national security” or state secrets.

If you are in doubt as to the legality of some of his actions, take a look at the push to grant telecom companies blanket immunity from prosecution in NSA spying. If they did nothing illegal, they would not need immunity. If they did do something illegal, those actions are either random individual infraction, or are a directed government authorized series of violations. If they are the latter, a blanket immunity would deny any discovery at trial which would point back directly at who authorized these companies to share private information with the government.

Considering how hard they are pushing for immunity and thus killing any future investigation, I would say they are trying to hide those crimes.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Homophobes, bwa.

Let me live my life and you live yours wingnuts.

Geez.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

PF,

Hillary wants a Woodstock museum.

There is a joke in there somewhere to keep you busy so you will stop wanking, doomed.

Geez.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

getalife

I still say you’d make a fine Libertarian.

Registering Republican was the only way Ron Paul could get elected. He’s a Libertarian at heart.

Live and let live.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

RE,

I have no idea why you wrote me that manifesto, but suffice it to say that your statement that if the phone companies have done nothing illegal then why would you ask for immunity for them is very un-American.

Would you happily open your doors for a search any time the government wanted to screw with you even if you felt you had done nothing wrong?

If you were faced with the possibility of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to show you did nothing wrong, wouldn’t you prefer being shielded up front?

I also love your ridiculous notion that granting them amnesty would deny any discovery. Where exactly did you buy your law degree, Rolling Stone?

By RE

October 18, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Hastert out

no not that way, out of congress

By getalife

October 18, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I prefer RuPaul thank you very much.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Paul,

There are so many L words associated with the triple L party I’m not sure I know which one you mean.

I’ll take a shot, though.

Lie?

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 18, 2007 4:07 PM OBL just bombed Pakistan on Bhutto’s return with thousands in the streets.}}}}

al-Gitmo: Pakistan is where Has Bin Laden has bin hiding and is the whole entire reason why we haven’t “got” him yet.

Maybe now they will understand now, no?

I believe they are the only civilized people in the world that Al Qaeda hasn’t pis-sed off yet, this could do it.

You will have to blog from Somalia then, with all the other savages.

~~~~~

{{{{By RE October 18, 2007 3:34 PM We need to switch away from oil.}}}}

RE: You can put Coca-Cola in your car for all I freaking care.

Give me the oil.

Maybe your idea would work if you pervert junk science liberals didn’t have our best minds studying cow farts, you reckon?

By RE

October 18, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Not sure what your business is, but actually yeah, I do have to open all my books anytime the state decides to pay a visit, and my file cabinets, all the codes for the puters…. etc. In fact, if they do find a violation, they can bill be for all the time and hotel stay in addition to whatever fines they might impose. Can’t say I am happy with it, but that is doing honest business.

And how do you get discovery if you cannot bring a case?

By The Project for a New American Constitution

October 18, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

We hold these truths to be self evident.

If you make enough campaign contributions you too can get preventative immunity.

That all corporations are created more equal than real people Americans.

(Great Idea: Let’s sell preventative immunity insurance to criminals. Why would any of us want to face being investigated on the suspicion of committing a crime? Insure against it! You’re in good hands with Fascist State Insurance! Leave the lying to us!)

I haven’t kicked any neo-con a* today, and I probably won’t but I want immunity now.

I’ll gladly pay you Monday for a hambuger today.

Wimpy Wimpy Wimpy

By Beltway Bandit

October 18, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

A reason not to grant immunity to the telecomms is that is the best route to getting to the ring leader. Squeeze the companies like the police squeeze the street dealers: give me your supplier and I will get you a light sentence/probation/let you off with a warning. Move up the chain to Mr. Big.

By Al Sharpton

October 18, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Duh,

Savages? Watch yourself young man.

By RE

October 18, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Andy

The best pervert junk science librals are working for Phizer trying to find ways for you to keep your hair and restore your limp noodle.

Restless leg syndrome anyone.

Funny thing, listen to the restless leg commercial, one of the side effects is GAMBLING. How nutty is that?

By @@

October 18, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 3:37:

((Seems the guy’s holding a few good cards, here.))

I know…and I don’t play poker either. My husband is an excellent poker player from a long line of poker players. With his best poker face he says…”What are you worried about @@? the U.S. will win or break even.”

First Putin claimed the delay was because Iran was delinquent in their payments. Now he’s claiming legal difficulties due to previous contracts Iran had with North Korea, Germany. Difficulty in finding adaptable parts. Who the heck knows anymore?

Maybe his “ace” will drop from his sleeve soon.

Lookee, lookee…ml has competition from “an opposing view”. Cool!

Anti-Terrorism Cartoons in the Arab Press

Take ^^^ that ml!!!!!! Stop supporting the terrorists or you’ll be left in the dust.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

RE,

I seriously doubt that if your business is named in a potential criminal case against someone else that you have to submit to warrentless searches, but it was also pretty obvious I was talking about a knock on your front door.

If you wanted to go after the President for “illegal” wiretaps why wouldn’t you grant the phone companies immunity for cooperating with your investigation?

Some form of that happens every single day, thousands of times across this country.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) from 3:22. Good to see I’m not the only person who notices when Libs don’t have an arguement they change the subject and start calling people names.

What I still haven’t seen, however, is from the original question I asked, what have the Dems done to make us energy independent? That question was answered with “what have R’s done” for which you saw my answer. Again a “change the subject” answer when they have no defense. The Dems talk a good game on foreign oil, but they don’t have a plan to do anything more than make silly movies and run around calling everything green.

Another question for you deep thinking Dems… Where is the energy for all those electric cars going to come from? When California can’t supply enough energy to keep the lights on now, how are they going to provide enough energy to power millions of cars too? Will those be snail darter killing hydro power plants you’ll authorize building, coal, nuclear, or what? In total, are they more or less energy efficient than a gasoline engine? (for the Goldies of the group, that means “does it require more electrical energy or more gasoline powered energy to move your car from the green rally at the park to the save the whales rally at the dock”) Or do you even care as long as the sound bites sound good on Katie’s “news” program?

I still want to know if Goldie has solar at the house or is she just another Gulfstream flying AlGore telling everybody else to do something with everybody else’s money.

Speaking of Al Gore… and I really don’t want this to be a politically based question… How do you win a Nobel “Peace” prize for making a movie about global warming? Or am I completely missing some “peace” work he’s done? I don’t get it.

By Gonna Love 08

October 18, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

So RB, are you like the other drones on this site that regardless of what the GOP does their sh*t dont stink as far as you are concerned? Because between Luckodump and Dusty and now your rants its all GOP all the time, let me ask you this if Al Gore was president and did what Dubya has done to the country the last 6 years, would you still feel that the country is going in the right direction? or could you never believe than when a Dem is in charge?

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett,

Bless her little heart, I don’t see Goldie as traveling by Gulfstream. I suspect she does all her “traveling” by mushroom.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

So we’ve all suspected that what the Neo-Cons are all about is OIL, and just look at the trolls salivating over OIL above^^^, RW @ 3:22 and DUHHH @ 4:33.

Once again, please tell us all how long the drilling for your OIL in ANWR will last before the supply is depleted???

It’s estimated no more than 10 years worth of OIL there in ANWR— you’re quite the non-Futurists, hmmm? You’ve certainly revealed yourselves once again as BIG OIL HACKS!

By RE

October 18, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

RB,

Al Gore and the nobel prize;

Kind of a stretch to give the nobel prize for peace, however seeing how many wars are fought for natural resources such as water, oil, farm land, etc. and that climate change impacts those resources, there is a tangental connection.

Or maybe the nobel commitee is just full of al queda supporting socialist athiest bush haters. Take your pick

By getalife

October 18, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

now, now duh,

Don’t get yourself banned.

She is pro west and they did not protect her very well.

They missed her but could walk right up to her car.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

{{Or am I completely missing some “peace” work he’s done? I don’t get it.}}

Well, we all certainly see that you “don’t get it”, Ribbit… it’s all about OIL forever with you, too, just like the other trolls posting here. You’ve been given plenty of examples today of how the DEMS have been pushing for alternative fuel sources since the 70’s, but none of that matters to your OIL IDEOLOGY.

You and RW and DUHHH, and the other trolls who love sucking on OIL, are gonna be shell-shocked in ‘08!

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

{{{{Speaking of Al Gore… and I really don’t want this to be a politically based question… How do you win a Nobel “Peace” prize for making a movie about global warming? Or am I completely missing some “peace” work he’s done? I don’t get it.}}}}

Missed that before. RB, as I understand it part of the Goracle’s fairy tale said that as all these catastrophic changges were taking place many wars would break out for whatever resources there were. So he supposedly has prevented them thus earning the “Peace” prize.

Haven’t any number of comic book superheroes prevented future wars? Maybe Wonder Woman will get it next year.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Boobs @ 4:41 — you need to “stop supporting the terrorists” yourself and join in the work to get America off its oil addiction. Don’t you ever get tired of giving all those $$$ to terrorist countries and supporting their terrorist lifestyles?

By getalife

October 18, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

RE,

In your last pick, you dwelled into the mind of a wingnut.

Get out of there, escape while you can, don’t go there man.

Tis a dark place they dwell.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Joe Torre turns down $5 million plus playoff incentives for 2008.

I wish I was in the financial position to be able to turn down $5 million.

By Goldie

October 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

{{I suspect she does all her “traveling” by mushroom.}}

Jealous are you, RWanker? Or still just munching all that mud?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Goldie, can you answer the question or can’t you? What have the Dems done to reduce dependence on foreign oil? And please stop answering the question with another question or with name calling. That’s rather childish and I suspect you are older than 10.

A simple “I have no idea” or “nothing that I’m aware of” are acceptable answers.

While you ponder your next non answer name calling attack, here’s some facts to get in the way of your opinions. I know how you love facts…

Secretary Norton said. “The Coastal Plain of ANWR’s 1002 area is the nation’s single greatest onshore oil reserve. The USGS estimates that it contains a mean expected value of 10.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil. To put that into context, the potential daily production from ANWR’s 1002 area is larger than the current daily onshore oil production of any of the lower 48 states.”

“ANWR could produce nearly 1.4 million barrels of oil, while Texas produces just more than one million barrels a day, California just less than one million barrels a day and Louisiana produces slightly more than 200,000 barrels a day.”

So, based on your shallow logic, since we can’t get enough oil out of TX and CA either, should we stop drilling there too? Or do you want to continue to do NOTHING and whine about it?

By Paul

October 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

@@ 4:41

I hope your husband’s correct, but I’m afraid any benefit to the US would be incidental, not purposeful.

This scenario reminds me of the old Mafia - provide the seed money for an enterprise, get it on the verge of running, then it’s “we need to examine our agreement.”

Thank you very much for the cartoon link. They are quite clever - one sign of progress, hopefully.

RB

While I realize the question wasn’t directed at me - your scenario supposes what’s been is what will be. Many of the “Not in My Backyard” or “No Nuclear” or “No Whatever” types will have to compromise. Bigtime.

For me, the issue isn’t whether or not the net energy consumption increases, decreases, remains constant or fluctuates. The objective I see is nonreliance on Middle Eastern oil. If other costs increase, that’s fine.

The Gulfstream example comes up regularly. If we had as many Gulfstreams as we have vehicles the fuel use might be a problem. In reality, it’s a pretty minor factor. Kinda like one guy with a huge appetite at a buffet. If the buffet’s set for 50,000 people it’s not that big a deal.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Golduh October 18, 2007 4:53 PM So we’ve all suspected that what the Neo-Cons are all about is OIL, and just look at the trolls salivating over OIL above^^^, RW @ 3:22 and DUHHH @ 4:33.}}}}

Golduh: So where do you think the electricity powering your little visit to this blog came from?

You freaking oil troll!

Duh.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Good point Goldie.

When thet bash Gore and global warming, there are supporting Iran.

Patriots?

Mmmmmmmm, don’t think so.

But we knew that already.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

RE,

Don’t forget the vaseline this time.

Still aching from the last one.

Got it?

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

getalife,

the mind of a wingnut. I do have to appreciate it for it’s simplicity. Imagine never having to think for yourself, Rush or hannity will tell you what to think. If anyone disagrees with you or throws out some seemingly valid questions such as, how would a democracy work in Iraq between three sects that have been at war with each other for centuries, which should be a peaceful democracy, but openly hostile to it’s two largest neighbor countries ever possibly work.

It’s easy, you come back with “you don’t want america to win, do you?”

Anyone who disagrees with you is a (pick any of the following):

leftist, pinko, commie, athiest, bush-hater, al-queda supporter, abortionist, godless, immoral, weak cowardly, yellow, america-hater, chavez lover, hollywood elite, effeminate, french, moonbat, socialist.

No thought required, just read of the list. It must be nice not to have to think for yourself

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Uh, oh duh meltdown @ 5:08.

Banning imminent.

It is true duh, you support Arab oil which includes Iran.

Admit it.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

RB,

Do you recognize, that even if we do open up ANWR, it does not make up the 13 million barrel per day shortfall between our production and consumption.

So what else would you do?

By getalife

October 18, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

RE,

Let’s get together tonight instead of the weekend.

I have a GLAD conference to attend.

Cool?

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

RE,

Or “you are with us or against us”?

I would add “savages, leeches, scum”, damn there so many duh has used I can’t remember them all.

But their queen dusty with her patriotic crap is the funniest of them all.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Speaking of atheists, check out this troop hating maniac on the House floor.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

getalife,

That’s cool sweetheart. I’ll use a different type of lubricant this time.

Its strawberry flavored just the way you like it.

I’m going to the GLAD conference to. If we’re lucky, maybe Sen Craig will join us there!

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

What did I miss? ANWR I see.

RE,

and I wonder what we’ll do when it’s gone?

But worrying about future generations isn’t a priority of the wingnuts, is it?

And heaven forbid if they have to take public transportation with the poor welfare losers.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Your right, I forgot the whole welfare queen sucking off the government’s teet angle.

But for a certain demographic, the easy answers must be so nice.

Just listen to Fox news, they have flashy lights and pretty girls, they must be right.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

108 blown up in Pakistan.

89.40 for oil.

Iraq government said no to permanant bases.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Considering GWB’s statements about WWIII, I am not so sure future generations are in his plan at all. He was giggling when taking about world war 3, I really think he is unstable. Considering the background, he might be pushing the button in hopes of bringing about the rapture.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

How many times do we have to have this same discussion? <————rhetorical, I know history starts each morning for liberals.

We drill in ANWR WHILE we work on alternatives to lesson our dependence on the Middle East during the transition.

I bet that sentence is in the archives a hundred times or more.

By @@

October 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Goldie @ 5:03:

I’ve practiced energy conservation for 20 years now. The least you could do is quit your fartin’. Is that too much to ask?

Paul @ 5:08:

I agree that the benefits will be incidental but I never approach life from a negative perspective.

I invest heavily in my “incidentals” and value them greatly.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Great RW,

Now, what are the alternatives that you see?

By Paul

October 18, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

@@ 5:38

Agree - way too much negativism. I was speaking from Russia’s and Putin’s perspective. If there’s an advantage that accrues to us we can exploit, great.

Not sure about your last line, but I think you’ve just set yourself up for a bunch of silicone jokes…

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Harry Reid’s assault on the first amendment letter now fetching over $850.000.00

Rush is going to match the winning bid and has challenged all 41 Democrat signers to do the same. Any guesses on how many will?

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Can we watch Ugly Betty tonight? There are so many characters that remind me of myself on there, I can’t miss it.

You know I still love you, no matter what other people say.

As a token of my love, you can have my “Best of the Village People” collection.

Please say you’ll have me tonight.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’ve never seen you write that. It’s a blog, sometimes you may have to repeat yourself, I’ve had to do it too.

So we give ourselves a shot of methodone (?sp) while getting over the DTs.

I could live with that, compromise a bit, but I wouldn’t agree to drilling until some sound methods of developing and implementing alternative fuels are in place and operating. Sorry, don’t trust those oil corporate drug addicts—unfortunately, you can’t trust drug addicts with anything.

RE,

I bet W prays every night for the rapture so he doesn’t have to face his failures anymore. I think he’s way more than unstable!

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife † October 18, 2007 5:17 PM It is true duh, you support Arab oil which includes Iran.}}}}

al-Gitmo: What are you harping on me for, I have a tiny carbon footprint compared to Oil Glutton Al.

Whine to him about it.

RE’s got a good point, it would take all of ANWR just to power Gore’s house.

Besides, what other choice do we have besides oil, I’ve been patiently waiting for you pinkos to come up with something else, to no avail.

It doesn’t bother me to wait either, I got damn near every penny tied up in oil stocks, just sitting back letting you libs make a killing for me.

The only people you are hurting are the poor, sacrificing their well being for some insects and the like, they can’t afford 3 dollar gasoline, but I suspect you democrats know that, and think it is great that we are further enslaving them with government being their only “hope.”

All we have to do, we being the United States, is announce that not only are we drilling in ANWR tomorrow, we will also place oil derricks in Central Park should we find crude there. Tell OPEC that we plan to drill our way out of dependence upon them, the very next day you could buy a barrel for $25 and my mutual funds would be in serious hurtin.

The Arabs know that we are a large ignorant country in the throes of liberal stupidity and they have priced their oil accordingly.

Duh.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

Not my field, but there are various tax breaks available for energy saving items right now. Nuclear energy is clean, safe, and easily implemented. Hydrogen fuel cell technology is a possibility. I’d give up this ethanol fiasco right now.

By RE

October 18, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

HAH,

Name jacker, funny thing is my sister did have the best of the village people on 8 track back in 1979. The underlying meanings of YMCA and in the Navy went over my head back then, go figure, being 6 and all.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Stop wanking duh.

RW,

I watched the debate, it was pretty good seeing some sane gop voting yes.

They probably saved their careers.

By getalife

October 18, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

RE,

Thanks for offering the best of Village People to me, but I already have it.

How about Culture Club?

If you have it, I’ll be over tonight to pick it up.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I think we could come to an agreement on this. One of the big excuses not to drill in ANWR is that it would take ten years to get everything ready.

If we tied the oil contract to investment in alternative solutions we could let the winning bidder/s begin building while the alternatives were being worked on however they couldn’t draw out any oil until whatever benchmarks were set for the alternatives were met.

By @@

October 18, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Amen RW!!!!

(((I bet that sentence is in the archives a hundred times or more.)))

Haste makes waste.

The liberals also have a problem with accepting the reality that conservatives here have no objection to searching out alternative fuels. We just differ in how to go about it.

The impact of hasty decisions can create problems with a more severe and immediate impact.

By mm

October 18, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

(R)epublican (W)hore,

The only thing that exceeds your stupidity is your arrogance.

Like Bush, in your mind you are always right.

Why do you call yourself the original? I can’t imagine anyone wanting themselves confused with you by using the initials RW.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Just about everything I’ve read (gov’t) said gas with 10% ethanol doesn’t affect gas mileage, but mine doesn’t seem to be what it used to be. Yes, I’ve had the car in for a major service, I’ve check the mileage on the same long routes with the cruise control set, and it regularly seems a few mpg lower.

Ethanol has, what, 84,000 BTUs per gallon while gasoline has 115,000 so it seems obvious, in spite of the other reassuring literature I’ve read, my mileage really is lower.

Luckoduh: you may want to shift some of your portfolio to ConAgra!

By RE

October 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

RW

Ethanol has a place, but it is no silver bullet.

No here is the problem I have, it seems to me that the kneejerk reaction of many right wing folks is that because you find a flaw in an arguement, the entire issue is a fraud and thrown out, basically a way to continue to do nothing.

Global warming will never be proven to a certainty, nor will human influence on it. A study comes out saying (for example) human activity contributes 50% of the cause of global warming. Another study comes out saying the conrtibution is closer to 25%. How is it that the conclusion becomes “lets not do anything because the science it not proven yet.”?

Also, Oil will be depleted, that is why production in the US has decreased over the last 30 years. It will decrease world wide and become more scarce, how about we plan for that certainty

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

For some strange reason, I watched that press conference with the giggling murderer and thought he was unhinged. He giggled about the Syria bombing too. Cowboy diplomocy.

How is Syria an enemy if we rendition there? Weird.

Anyhoo, KO saw it and thought he kooked unstable too.

Wingnuts are cheering on a lunatic.

Geez.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

See RW,

We can agree on something. I wouldn’t even have a problem with the oil companies coming up with these alternative fuels and getting more rich.

@@,

“The impact of hasty decisions can create problems with a more severe and immediate impact.”

yeah, I think the same thing every night when I watch the fiasco called Iraq.

So, did I just hear that Iraq is awarding a billion or so in contract money to Iran and Russia? Is that our money that we gave them? Or are they now using their oil money to give out their own contracts?

It appears we’ve been duped.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Did you have some dispute over something I said or did you just want to show your drama queen side with a public meltdown?

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Yes RW,

Fahgedabodit working in Brazil.

duh said to drill in Central Park. Thats the ticket.

Geez.

By @@

October 18, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Gawd you’re dumb Paul…;-)

(((Not sure about your last line, but I think you’ve just set yourself up for a bunch of silicone jokes…)))

it’s obvious you haven’t shopped at Victoria’s Secret.

Get right on that buddy…we love that stuff.

I’m off to finish dinner.

By Paul

October 18, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

@@

Dumb? What about naive and innocent? Or maybe I just avoid malls like the plague?

I’m off for dinner, also. Pleasant evening, all.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Paul,

My beef, so to speak, with ethanol is more about what it’s widespread use would do to world food prices and availability.

In fact I think it will cause future wars so I’m going to get started on Groceries In The Balance. Check me out in Oslo next year.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

I just heard W say that he is still relevant. He vetoed the SCHIP program and his veto demonstrates his relevance.

RE,

Yes, unstable. I agree with your 6:02, you made some really good points. For anyone to say that our oil addiction is the fault of the Dems or Reps is wrong - it’s the fault of our citizens for not demanding better alternatives, and actually using them.

I’ve heard many scientists say that ethanol is not the panacea of the problem, and it bothers me when anyone says that there is only one way to fix such a huge problem.

We use corn and sugar in everything, just look around at the supermarket at the labels and the waistline of the customers! We might have to eat more vegetables (gasp) if we start relying so much on ethanol!

Maybe we could find a way to fuel cars with fat - tax breaks for liposuction?

By @@

October 18, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Damn Bosch. Six loooonnnnnnggg draaaaaawwn out years in Iraq but now you wanna call it an immediate impact?

Try to stay focused on your argument.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

AND Paul, if you shop at Victoria Secret, you can buy the new Spice Girls (with Victoria Beckham) new greatest hits CD.

Did the Spice Girls have enough hits to constitute a greatest hits CD?

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Actually, we could have Iraq as an ally if we bought their oil instead of committing genocide there.

Wasting a trillion of your money for them not be our ally. They are all about revenge and there will be a reckoning.

The same with Iran but the cowboy had to screw it up picking on another third world country like bully. Tough guy, coward.

Russia, China and Venezuala reeped in the consequences. They are stronger for w’s decisions.

In the end we will end up like Russia after Afghanistan.

By Bosch

October 18, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

@@,

Yes, six long years after a hasty decision to invade. What a fiasco.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 6:15,

I’m going to call a beer penalty on you for that W quote.

Context has consequences is my new motto, so you owe everybody here a beer. The good news is all of Polly’s names don’t count separately.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch October 18, 2007 6:06 PM So, did I just hear that Iraq is awarding a billion or so in contract money to Iran and Russia? It appears we’ve been duped.}}}}

{{{{By getalife † October 18, 2007 6:19 PM Russia, China and Venezuala reeped in the consequences. They are stronger for w’s decisions.}}}}

Sigh.

They are PAYING Iraq for the oil, the same oil that Bush is supposed to be stealing, duh.

This is a huge win for the United States because now we have rubles and yen being used for rebuilding the country instead of just dollars.

Ever think about turning Olberman off and like reading something?

You really should.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

And what do we win in war with Iran and Iraq?

Nothing and lose the oil. Well, Hunt got some.

Idiots.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Today is October 18, 2007. The war with Iraq began March 20, 2003.

Now that doesn’t really seem to be six years, loooooonnnngggg or otherwise, not to mention that you moonbat(ic)s® have been telling us that Bush was planning to invade Iraq from January 20, 2001. So was it a hasty decision or not?

If you really do want to go the six year route are you saying we shouldn’t have retaliated for 9/11?

By RE

October 18, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Here is the thing, it is the collective responsibility or all citizens… however, a responsible government is supposed to do the long term planning for the nation, but I really have not seen much aside from shortterm wedge issues used for elections every 2 years.

There will always be 2 sides to an issue, and any new energy source will have a downside, such as for ethanol a spike in food and feed prices or in additional wastewater runoff and polution due to increased farming. Same with Nuke reactors, no good answer on what to do with the spent fuel rods. So far as solar goes, in my opinion every new govt. building should be required to have solar panels on the roof, high initial cost but in 5 years you have a solvant industry that can mass produce the solar panels at a lower cost, from there on a statewide basis begin with new commercial building construction, and in 10 years on to new residential. It would not eliminate oil consumption, but might take our energy consumption down 5 or 10%. On a national scale that is huge.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Hopefully, the trillion gallons of water the Corp dumped out of Lanier yesterday will mix with the several trillion gallons of rain that Florida is receiving and combined it will wash those freaking mussels out to sea.

Then would could stop worrying about them and get our priorities in order, no?

Probably not.

The libs would find some species of maggot that they wanted to protect, God, what a stupid, useless future we face.

By RE

October 18, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Actualy the contract ws not for oil, but for the development of electricity production facilities, and they went to china and Iran. Meaning they contracted construction jobs to those countries instead of to a US company.

That darn national soveriegnty cuts both ways.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

China is using our debt to buy up US companies especially, investment companies. Smart for them. Bad for us.

Lou Dobbs has been reporting about the rise of communist China.

By Buy Danish

October 18, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Stunty Blowhard,

In response to your rather whiny question from the other night about Luckoduh being banned, my answer is:

How the hell would I know? Consider this analogy:

If a tree falls in the desert and there’s no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

RW,

I saw that (M)ental (Midget) wants us to believe that her initials stand for (M)ulti (M)illionaire. I bet she can’t hold a candle to Rush Limbaugh.

By @@

October 18, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

You claim to be a “very positive” person - so how can you ignore the positives in Iraq? You say…

“Iraq is a fiasco.”

“Iraq is a failure.”

I get the feeling all your positives are invested in the Democrats.

Whatever….you’re entitled.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

duh,

How does it feel getting screwed by the corp. like the NO levees?

Repent to relieve the karma.

By Confusius

October 18, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Confusius say, China be less likely to nuke US companies it owns on level, even if it wakes up with smelly fingers.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Check this out for irony, God gave us those mussels so that we would have something to eat; and here the liberals are worshiping the food and denying the Creator.

You know He doesn’t have that much patience, right?

Plus I’ll bet He’s got a sense of humor too, you pinkos like little insects so much, what do you think of this swarm of locusts?

Repent, morons!

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I took it to mean (m)ommy’s (m)oney.

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Stunty Blowhard?

What did Paul do?

Geez.

By Gonna Love 08

October 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

RW-

Nobody is saying we shouldnt have retaliated for September 11th, what everyone is saying is we should have retaliated against those who attacked us, and guess what none were from Iraq, had been to Iraq or were supported by Iraq. When you guys get that thru your skull we can all get on the same page. Getting rid of Sadaam had nothing on the war on terror, hell we might have gotten rid of Castro to. But when N. Korea and Iran dont back down to us Dubya cuts and runs from those countries even though he said they were part of the Axis of evil. So when Japan attacked us in 41 would you have though it was allright for FDR to delcare war on another country but Japan as long as he said it was part of a global effort????

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

duh,

I would not eat anything that came from the Hootch.

Nasty.

Are you wanting the rapture? I think w does.

Geez.

By Confusius

October 18, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

That’s a fine bit o’thinkin duh, but that’s not a very good example of irony.

but good effort, sir

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

RE: Yes, I was answering on a level that Gitmo and Borsh could understand, that being OIL!

Same difference, other countries investing in Iraq, helping to rebuild.

I say bring it on.

And let us go away from there.

By @@

October 18, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

AmVet proclaimed that he would receive no honest responses to his request.

He actually got two but doesn’t acknowledge them here today. Maybe he’ll acknowledge Buy Danish’s tomorrow.

Probably not though. I wouldn’t want to recall resorting to such childish behavior.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Spare me GL08,

Anytime somebody says we’ve been bogged down in a mistake for 6 years they’re either an idiot or they’re including the very first days of Afghanistan.

By RB in Gwinnett

October 18, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

I agree ANWR won’t fill the entire gap. The solution is not that simple. It is a step in the right direction, however, vs. the “do nothing” we’ve been doing for the last 30 years (covering both parties reigns).

Since you asked what I think the answer is… I really believe the ultimate answer is between solar and hydrogen. Both sources are in plentiful supply and when they run out, well, it just doesn’t matter any more. I think your kidding yourselves if you think the oil companies are going to fund and do the development work, however. They’re “oil” companies, not equipment manufacturing companies. Think about it, once you sell solar equipment, you can’t charge for the energy any longer. Oil companies aren’t set up to think like that. From what I know of Hydrogen, it’s the same deal. I do think we’ll see hydrogen in cars before we’ll see solar in homes, however, and a long time before solar could power a building. Having said that, I think nuclear is the only answer we have for power plants. The knee jerk reactions to it are unfounded. There has been a nuclear reactor in the middle of NC State’s campus powering the school for nearly 30 years.

Question for you non believers… Do you really still think the oil we’ve been sucking out of the ground for the last 100 years are from “fossils” of old dead wooly mamouths and dinosaurs? Must have been a heck of a lot of dead animals to produce all that. You’d think we might be able to find more skeletal remains if there were that many especially with them being all over the earth like that…

By getalife †

October 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

I think they ran out of people to blow up in Iraq.

They are in sectarian neighborhhods armed to the gills. They implemented the Biden without the government.

It is a good time to leave.

By Buy Danish

October 18, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

Maybe I’ve been banned! A post did not post. Let’s see if I can get past the censors.

RW,

If it’s (M)ommy’s (M)oney, Mommy did a very poor job of educating the little heiress.

I was thinking it could be (M)ega (M)illions, or the more likely scenario, (M)ega (M)endacity.

By RW-(the original)

October 18, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

It could always be (m)innie the (m)oocher.

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