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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2007 > October > 16 > Entry

Retiring Republicans

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, October 16, 2007, 08:58 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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By Mad As Zell

October 17, 2007 7:41 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon Mike…FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!

You little Hitlery-brainwashed left-wing Democrap Party perverts just absolutely LOVE! the thought that a Republican like Craig might be one of yours just in time for the 2008 Elections (just a little suspicious, Craig’s probably a Donkey-a$$ party planted for maximum impact to set the table for the rise of the evil femmenazi Hitlery Clinton and her new anti-American Communist Movement). That’s why America is in such bad shape, because of you leftist bomb-throwing America-hating losers who suck like the perverted immoral promisculous sodomous hedons you are! All you damn pacifist Defeatocrat Liberals can UPCHUCK AND DIE SLOW as far as the American People are concerned. Burn in hell Communist Pigs! That’s why North Georgia is suffering from it’s worst drought ever, because LIBERAL DEMONIC DEVIANTS have defaced and defamed God’s land with unspeakable acts of sodomy and deviant behavior and brought the wrath of God down in the form of fire, sun and thirst. Good enough for you. Maybe the drought will force you damn left-wing mutants of nature to dry-out and return back up north to that bubble of prehistoric goo in the ground in the sewer that is New Yuck and other points above the Mason-Dixon Line and leave the South to God’s chosen people.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Geez, Queen Pinko found one of rap music’s nursery rhymes to harp on:

{{{{Wit’ a ski mask on duct taping your kids You can pray all you want But I don’t forgive— from “Hurt,” by T.I., featuring Alfamega and Busta Rhymes, Urinal}}}}

You should see what they want to do to the womenfolk, Sinthia.

And why is the attention called to this mind numbing depravity only after he misses the awards show cause he’s in jail?

~~~~~

{{{{By getalife October 16, 2007 6:07 PM duh, Cheap cigar but go to the bars and run that mouth and they will not scatter.}}}}

Al-Gitmo:

Cheap?

Where are you buying yours at, in some dark alley?

And trust me, the pimpled midgets I saw yesterday could barely pick up and carry their copy of “An Inconvenient Truth.”

I would have shown mercy on them had they, snicker, nutted up.

~~~~~

{{{{“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”}}}}

Don’t you just miss those bygone days of American “Glory?”

We always hear what great statesman the libs were, winning over “world opinion,” but I hate to break the news to you, they weren’t laughing with us, they were laughing at us.

{{{{A GOP official said, “Hillary Clinton’s campaign hypocrisy continues to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us. Team Clinton can expect to see and hear this over and over again over the course of the next year.”}}}}

Yes they will.

~~~~~~

{{{{Dems Back Off Genocide Bill}}}}

Dems back off.

How many times have we heard that phrase used lately?

Can the “dems back off” any further than they already have?

Lord knows their spine won’t get in the way.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Mike, another bulls eye!

17 Republican congress members leaving……what’s the word I’m looking for? Could it be Cut and Run? Cowardice thy name is Republican.

Oh, by the way. Did I really see that RW said recently that American citizens who were receiving benefits from certain entitlement programs should not be allowed to vote?

Being the righteous man of character and integrity that he is, is it safe to assume that RW will not be accepting his social security checks at retirement because he would rather vote?

RW, I think you are not just on the slippery slope to fascism; you have taken a running leap onto the flexible flyer on the slippery slope to fascism.

I still hold those truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.

PS: Gee, Andy sure has a bee in his boxers today! Y’all give him heck.

By Cliff Dunaway

October 17, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Please make the cartoons larger. Barely legible. Much easier to read a day later at places like http://cagle.com/politicalcartoons/

By George

October 17, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

I love it! Mad as Zell is out Andying Andy. With the two of them blabbering on, that will guarantee Democratic success in 08. Keep it up guys.

Oh and I love the cartoon too. Republican Senator Craig is the gift that keeps on giving.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Great satire Mad as Zell!!!

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Specter: No Retroactive Immunity for Telecoms

By Shawny

October 17, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

fudge….yet another in a series of GOP bashing….well, this blog needs to some balance, so here.

What is that extensive resume again that hints that SHE is qualified to run a country? Huckabee ‘08.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

The gift that’ll REALLY keep on giving is Bush himself. He’s an entire generation’s new Nixon—the epitome of criminal, power-hungry Republican arrogance that we can trot out, time after time, to illustrate that ANYTHING we do is better than this guy.

Remember all your arguments about how our type of torture is “better than Al Qaeda’s?” Well, anything the next Democratic president does, no matter how inept, will be automatically justified as “At least he/she’s better than Bush.”

By Mad As Zell

October 17, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

If Jihad Cindy Tucker hates c(rap) music and thugs so damn much then why does the Ache-J-C write about these Godless murderous animals like they’re some damn all-world heroes. Yeah, way-to-hate cRAP “music” Cindy… by brainwashing the youth by pushing the destructive pornographic brainwashing drug-induced filth on the public like crack cocaine, something that both Jihad Cindy Tucker, that crapper T.I., LuckoVICK and the rest of the daily thought police-monopoly Atlanta Urinal-Constipation knows about so well.

A drawing of a mens restroom toilet stall…such an appriopriate depiction of the hellhole that modern-day Atlanta and the Al-Jazeera Constitution have become. Good work Mike.

By Shawny

October 17, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Outstanding editorial blog in USAToday detailing the waffling, position changing, and poll watching of Hillary.

One thing is for sure…she does hold true to the liberal view of evolution, as she evolves every time a new poll comes out.

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Fudge, Write your own caption

By @@

October 17, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

This cartoon made me laugh ml.

Who’s “left”?

Getalife.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Shawny: You’re right… I much prefer a candidate who never changes his mind, no matter how much new evidence proves him wrong.

THAT’s leadership. Oh, wait, no it’s not—that’s called ‘blind, stubborn stupidity.’ Republicans always get those confused.

By Corey

October 17, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Mad AS Zell, are you ever happy? Just curious.

By Tree Dwelling Crap Flinger

October 17, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Great toon ML.

Will the last Republican out of DC please turn off the lights.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G., Yes, you did see that. His comment was more along the lines that you should loose your right to vote until you become self-sufficient again. I asked him (among other things) if he had a jet suit he rode around in or if he drove on roads. I’m still holding out that he has a jet suit and that he’ll let me borrow it.

I hope you have a nice day Mrs. G.! Try and visit more often, you are one of my heroes - which also include Jimmy Carter and Bono. It’s nice to be able to correspond with one’s heroes. Would you happen to know Jimmy’s email?

By Mad As Zell

October 17, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Mike: Is that an accurate depiction of what your office looks like? Is that where you come up with such great works of so-called political satire? Is that what the Ache-J-C editorial room looks like? Is the AJC basically one big mens restroom? Or better yet, a great big San Fransicko-style bathhouse where AJC writers and reporters “pump” each other for information while shunning anything even remotely Christian-related and embracing everything associated with Islamafacism. We all saw the way the Jihadist-deviants fell all over and kissed the feet of the black racist, the Dishonorable Islamafacist Minister Lois Farrakhan. The Al-Jazeera Constitution is such a sick, demented and dangerous joke with their adoring coverage of murderous thug cRAPPERS like T.I., Jew-hating race-baiting Islamafacists like Farrakhan and their ilk and an abrasive non-stop pushing and promoting of a defeatist immoral anti-American Communist deviant agenda. It looks like the left really does dig around inside the toilet bowls of mens restrooms for their “policy” ideas. Pathetic.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

It appears that Stephen Colbert is running for President. I think Jon Stewart would be better.

Colbert has been getting on my nerves lately. He’s kind of like watching Jim Carey for long periods of time - he’s only funny for a few minutes and then he just gets annoying.

Senator Craig is appealing the judges decision to not overturn (is that the right legal word) his signed guilty confession that he did indeed solicit sex in a men’s bathroom.

I heard an interview with him and his wife last night - it made me want to throw up, not because of what he said, but for his wife. I’m used to slimy hypocritical Republicans, but his wife was just sad.

Who on this blog, seriously, if you had been “falsely” arrested wouldn’t at least call a lawyer? Or tell your spouse?

It also appears that he will be spending campaign funds for his legal defense - which apparently is legal. Now I’m all about law and order, but that just seems a little slimy to me - using campaign money for legal defense. If I had contributed money to him, I would be absolutely furious, but that’s just me.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

How typically liberal and cowardly of you to wait a few days and then twist my words. I said WELFARE which by definition takes money from someone that earned it and gives it to someone who doesn’t.

You could make a case that Social Security does the same thing, but only because it’s been so badly botched like all government programs you moonbat(ic)s® so love and we all pay into it.

My point is that while a person is being publicly supported by the government (read us) they should not be allowed to vote to continue their situation and it should be an incentive to get to work. I also made the exception for the disabled.

You don’t have to worry about any politician proposing it though. They wouldn’t want to have the spine to put up with the firestorm of lies and misrepresentation they would receive. This blog is a microcosm of that as one after another you have stepped up to lie about what I said and then call me a fascist, a Nazi, or simply heartless.

What is it called when you lie about someone’s words and try to use those lies and intimidation tactics to shut off any debate that disagrees with your world view?

By Tree Dwelling Crap Flinger

October 17, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

You need to cut your dose in half Zell

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

You are such a nice man! I hope all the little Bosch-kins appreciate you.

I am really only a hero to Joe, my black (mostly) lab. The way he looks at me when I carry in the groceries makes me feel absolutely worshipped.

(The same look I get from Mr. G when I’m southern frying porkchops)

I got your back dude!

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G -

The little Bosch-kins are great! College shopping right now - oh, which reminds me of something. Thanks for asking.

Your Joe sounds wonderful too. That is a nice feeling to be so loved even if it is for buying groceries, but you know that he probably worships you for scratching his ears too.

If you ever get the need for adolescent hormones and nuances in your empty nest, just let me know, I have plenty at the Bosch residence.

Thanks Mrs. G!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

I am so very sorry that my post intimidated you. It was certainly not my intention.

Like that flexible flyer don’t you?

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Then there’s Bosch that will continue to lie day in and day out no matter how many times he sees the very limited scope of my proposal.

That’s either pathological, purposeful, or sheer stupidity.

I guess when you can’t debate it’s easier just to call someone a Nazi and be done with it.

By Mad As Zell

October 17, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Corey: I’ll be happy when the local liberal monopoly daily, the Al-Jazeera Constitution, better known as the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation alienates its last sensible reader and closes its doors for good. Will the last left-wing bomb-throwing URINALIST/jihadist in the Ache-J-C editorial room turn the lights off? Cynthia, Jay, Mike, put down those molitoff cocktails! Left-wing bomb-throwing IS NOT NICE!

By Boom

October 17, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

One has to admire the political skill of Sen. Craig. He fielded every question about his antics in that bathroom with the steel nerves of a true politician. He deserves to stay in office, he is that good.

Sen. Craig. I wasn’t there. You might be gay. SO what? You’re skill as a politician is second to none. Bravo, sir. You have my permission to stay put.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I get exposed to all the adolescent behavior I need any more just reading the little red rightie hoods here on a daily basis.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Hey RW! Guess what I had for dinner last night? A sandwich! It was good - smoked turkey and pepper jack cheese. Yummy!

Anyway, did it ever occur to you, there are many different types of government assistance for families and that most of the time, people in these families do indeed work? Some don’t, but many do. It’s kind of a requirement for eligibility.

Yes, some fake injuries, or highly overexagerate them, but there are people from all socioeconomic levels that do the same (Saxby Chambliss’ knee injury comes to mind). Again, there is no such thing as a government welfare program specifically for lazy people who dont’ want to work qualify for. It doesn’t exist.

All people that are on “welfare” are on it for a reason that an eligibility officer has deemed them elibilble for this service. If you don’t like the service, then b*** to your Congressman/woman, it’s their responsibility to change or not change the system, not the recipient’s fault.

If you don’t like any government service it’s up to the voter to change it, it’s not the recipient’s bad for appying for the service.

Same with illegal immigration - it’s not the immigrant’s bad for wanting to be here, it’s the bad of the government for allowing it and doing nothing about it.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Mrs, G,

As much as I disagree with you on virtually everything (except food and beverage where we seem quite compatible) you aren’t the complete moron that your 9:05 would make you appear. I’ll chalk it up to no coffee, but a fair reading would see that I’m saying you and your ilk are making an attempt to intimidate which I acknowledge would work with today’s politicians, but not with me.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

RW, Now, now. I learned my word twisting abilities from the best - you and Buy Danish.

Where did I lie?

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I do talk to my Senators all the time. I found Cynthia McKinney was never very interested in listening to me and I think Hank Johnson is just a figment of our imagination.

Why is it that instead of debating issues here all your side can do is demagogue, name call, and tell us if we want something done to leave here. This is just a discussion forum dude, Chill!

Now what would really be an interesting exercise would be to lay out all government programs and see which ones fit my “no vote” test. I think once we saw how astronomically long the list was it would open everyone’s eyes and we wouldn’t have to bother with the test. It sure couldn’t be done here with the 2500 character limit. I suspect it would take a tractor trailer load of paperwork just for the list.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

This explains why Sen Craig gets so defensive when he’s asked to remove his shoes during airport security checks of passengers about to board.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

RW

Thanks for the clarification, the very last thing I would every want to do is intimidate you.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

OK Bosch,

Change lie in paragraph one at 9:07 to misrepresent and then apply the appropriate choice in paragraph two.

By Say It Ain't So

October 17, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

When you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything! Describes the left to a T.

The left never met a poll they did not take as ‘the will of the people’ … until the next poll is released.

Which way the wind blowing defines the stance of the left.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Larry Craig will always be remembered for his famous oratory:

“I AM NOT GAY!”

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Foreigners Dumped U.S. Assets in August

By Apocalypse

October 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie will always be remembered for her famous oratory: “I AM NOT A WOMAN!”

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

{{{{By RW-(the original) October 17, 2007 8:55 AM How typically liberal and cowardly of you to wait a few days and then twist my words.}}}}

RW: This is standard operating procedure for the factless, they have undermined education in this country, replacing the three R’s with mindless grievance mongering, and created a nation of witless cry babies.

And then they take advantage of the ignorance they created by spreading lies to promote their pervert agendas, knowing full well that the common liberal is devoid of reasoning skills and is totally unable to analyze any facts.

Has anyone heard the democrats explain the benefits of increasing S-CHIP by 35 Billion or have we only heard them whine about Republican’s being mean?

How about Limbaugh’s “phony soldier” or Coulter’s “perfect Jew,” tiny little sound bites lifted from lengthy conversations, knowing full well that the average everyday pinko is too stupid to read the whole transcript.

Believe me, if I sensed that the Congressman representing me or the newspaper I read thought so little of my intelligence, they would be history in short order.

These liberals love it, sitting around drooling with glee at every total lie that they get fed.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

ml, I do have to say that when I saw this toon pop up in my RSS feed last night I burst out laughing. Good one, for a change.

By Say It Ain't So

October 17, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Bosch (9:14) So using your logic, It’s not the bank robbers fault for robbing the bank. If the bank did not store all that money in there then it could not have been robbed.

As for your ‘eligibility officer has deemed them eligible’, have you meet any of those officers? From my limited contact (trying to help my wife’s niece) with them, their level of intelligence, understanding and concern for the law ranks right down there with their clients. The “I’m getting mine, you might as well get some too” attitude leads to most of these programs being so corrupt that Capone would have been jealous. And you want more of these programs! You either don’t want to give up your free ride or are to ignorant to understand the damage these programs do to our country, communities and the recipients of this ‘free’ money.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Correction for Say it aint so: The stance of the left is dependent upon which way the GOP senators are blowing.

Tapping your shoes in an airport? So what. Lighting your shoes in an airport? Arrest that Senator!

By Paul

October 17, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Goldie 9:30

Actually, Sen Craig may not be gay. Promiscuous, indiscriminately sexually active, compartmentalized, in denial, lying, repressed - maybe. But not gay.

Assuming he was trolling for sex - University of Wisconsin, I believe, first study on the subject about 20 years back looked at just this sort of behavior with men. Most self identified as not gay - didn’t consider anonymous encounters with other men as “gay” - I suppose it’s rather like saying a person may get blitzed every month or three and not consider himself an alcoholic.

Is he? Maybe, maybe not. But subsequent research has pretty well demonstrated anonymous sexual encounters are not necessarily synonymous with homosexuality.

I know, that shoots a bunch of people out of their stereotypes and comfort zones.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Awww, DullAndy’s complaining about quotes being lifted out of context! Good thing the noble Republicans and their fascist supporters have never done that, huh? Otherwise it would be more hypocrisy.

By Say It Ain't So

October 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Bosch (9:14) So using your logic, It’s not the bank robbers fault for robbing the bank. If the bank did not store all that money in there then it could not have been robbed.

As for your ‘eligibility officer has deemed them eligible’, have you meet any of those officers? From my limited contact (trying to help my wife’s niece) with them, their level of intelligence, understanding and concern for the law ranks right down there with their clients. The “I’m getting mine, you might as well get some too” attitude leads to most of these programs being so corrupt that Capone would have been jealous. And you want more of these programs! You either don’t want to give up your free ride or are to ignorant to understand the damage these programs do to our country, communities and the recipients of this ‘free’ money.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

RW, “Why is it that instead of debating issues here all your side can do is demagogue, name call, and tell us if we want something done to leave here.”

Um, I hate to break it to you, dude, but your side does more of that than mine.

I’m sorry if I misrepresented you, truly I am. I’m not one to go comb the archives like some of your buddies, but I do remember you writing something about being self-sufficient because that is what sparked my list of questions. But if that wasn’t you intentions, my bad.

I actually agree with you on many of the details, just not the -people on welfare don’t have the right to vote- part.

Anyway, this statement:

“Now what would really be an interesting exercise would be to lay out all government programs and see which ones fit my “no vote” test.”

It would be a good exercise, and you are probably right about the tractor trailer size of such a test.

Just curious though do you have the expertise to make such a test? Gee, that would be almost like being God or something.

If you don’t want to be a social worker, then why not run for office? I have to admit, Cynthia McKinney, dude, you have my sympathies, but Hank Johnson seems pretty reasonable - at least from what I’ve heard.

Again, I stand by my statement because it’s what I believe, it’s not the fault of the recipient for applying and receiving a particular service. If you don’t like the service, talk to the people who change it. If your Congressman/woman doesn’t want to hear it, there are others that will, I feel sure.

By Cataclysm

October 17, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I think some people are just plain freaks. They have no self control over themselves and try to find ways to compensate for their unfulfilled inner beings. Excessive and deviant sexual behavior is an example of this.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 9:47 — no one really cares who or who is not gay, correct? So why go on national TV and announce to the world such irrelevant statements??? He could have said simply “I am not guilty of the charges brought against me” and I don’t think he would be such the laughing stock that he is now.

By Bill of Old

October 17, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

I’m relatively new to this blog,are Mad as Zell, Buy Danish, and @@ the same person or should I say entity?

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 17, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

The only GOP supporter of Senator Craig is Senator Craig. He is a hypocrite. The Republicans kick those people out. They do it consistently. The Democrats praise them and defend them. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee even stated that the women accusing Bill Clinton were probably ‘asking’ for it. Seems to me that the Dems have a double standard thing going. Barney Franks is still in office even though he had a boyfriend running a prostitution business out of Barney Franks’ DC house. I could cite dozens of examples of bad heterosexual behaviors on the part of Dem. officeholders, but y’all don’t care. You see with you libs its all about power - gaining it and keeping it - and never true principles and morals. Pity.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Want some facts? I know libs like to deal in generalities and facts usually get in the way of their tirades, but here’s a few facts on welfare from Georgia.

In less than four years, the number of welfare recipients in Georgia who are either working or in a work training program has increased from 8.2 percent to more than 69 percent. Also under Governor Perdue’s leadership, the number TANF recipients in Georgia has dramatically decreased. In 2002 Georgia served more than 30,598 adult TANF cases. Today only 8,100 cases remain.

These numbers are from May, 2006, so the period is ‘02 to ‘06. In ‘02, only 8% of welfare recipients were working. Now they say nearly 70% are working or in a work training program. I’d like to know how many are working and how many are in a training program. To me, those numbers are misleading without that fact. Don’t run off and say 70% work until you know the difference in working and “in work training”.

The federal requirement for welfare allows people to be on the program for 60 months and does not require the person to work. Each state has it’s own provisions in addition to or instead of that plan. Georgia’s term is 48 months.

The budget for welfare in Georgia in 2007 was $594MM. That’s $73K per family of the 8,100 in the program.

Programs such as food stamps, section 8 housing assistance, medicare, and others are in addition to this expense.

Anybody care to add up what it cost us to care for one of these “poor” families in total when you consider the whole picture?

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

RW (the original),

Keep up the good work. Mrs. G is just a funny old lady but better watch bosch. Next he will be calling you “paranoid” and saying you taught him out to lie and twist. Oops, I believe he already has.

Ah well, so it goes in liberal land. Be so absurd someone might believe what you say.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Watch me prove the point I just made:

{{{{By Anonymous October 17, 2007 9:51 AM Awww, DullAndy’s complaining about quotes being lifted out of context! Good thing the noble Republicans and their fascist supporters have never done that, huh?.}}}}

Show me one.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Cataclysm

When this story first broke - and I did recall that study, may have been U of Minnesota, then saw a wire services story on it - a couple of Google hits later brought up saa dot org - sex addicts anonymous. Evidently this type of behavior is not all that uncommon, as are a lot of compulsions, uncontrolled behavior, and such relating to sex. I did link to the site - they had a question list of the “do you have a problem?” type. I’d wager a bunch of people do.

But as far as no self control - spot on. That’s an element of addiction. Ways to compensate for unfulfilled inner beings? Seems so. Seems also a lot of their behavior is rooted in guilt and shame.

All in all, I just find it a pretty sad situation. Personally, I don’t think Sen Craig - if that’s his problem - will ever seek help. Wives of guys like that (and husbands of women like that) have certain pathologies. Again, all in all, it seems pretty miserable to me.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Sen Craig claims he picked up toilet paper stuck to his shoe while he sat on the porcelain throne/sex apparatus. If you saw toilet paper on your shoe, would you touch it, or use your other shoe to scuff it away?

I want to thank the Sen. Craig for not resigning and assuring a democratic sweep in ‘08. If it’s about guns, gods, and gays, and the GOP thinks it is, then nothing can stop the left.

Thank you and God Bless Sen. Craig!!

I want to encourage all of the right’s bloggers here to admit their sexual preferences, and maybe we can end the last bastion of prejudice left in american culture….cause then history will be kind to Sen. Craig!

Sen Craig is a hero!

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Via Think Progress

“Craig falsely claims he has ‘never used the Internet.’In his exclusive interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer last night, embattled Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) claimed that he has “never used the internet“:

Matt, you won’t believe this. But I don’t use the Internet. I don’t have a computer at my desk. I’ve never used the Internet. It’s just not what I do. I e-mail with my BlackBerry. No, I did not know that. I had no reason to know that.

But as the Washington Examiner has discovered, Craig actually has extensive experience with the Internet:

— In an op-ed he wrote this summer on the SCHIP health care program, Craig refers to doing a Google search on the term “mission creep.”

– He’s a member of the Congressional Internet Caucus.

– He co-sponsored a bill designating June 2007 as National Internet Safety Month.

– He was presented with the 2007 Internet Keep Safe Coalition Award.

– On his Web site, he lists as a top accomplishment a Silver Mouse Award given to his site in 2003 and 2006 by the Congressional Management Foundation in 2003 and 2006.

– When he endorsed Mitt Romney for president, he did so on YouTube.

Maybe Craig can give Larry King some tips. “

By Shawny

October 17, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Finally, a good piece on Mike. See what he has done, listen to what he says. He is genuine and would make the best president of the available candidates of either party.

Huckabee 08

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So, First of all, I think it’s sad that you compare people who need help to bank robbers. Bank robbers are criminals, are you saying that those who apply for government assistant are criminals? That kind of shows your heartless mentality if that’s the case. I happen to love my niece and would never call a person I love a criminal. You must not have a good relationship with your niece.

So you think that government programs that help the poor are criminal organizations? Wow, that’s a pretty big stretch there.

Again, I’ll remind you that no one in this country, is completely without some kind of government assistance.

And you are very fortunate that you have never had to use one for the poor, but I assure you, as you or your parents get older and require help, you may just change your mind about calling recipients criminals.

And, yes, I know several eligibility officers and must admit one of those officers I’ve known is the spawn of Satan (if you believe in that kind of thing), hateful old b!tch - but the others were very kind and helpful people who unlike the ones you have been around, were very knowledgeable of the laws and programs they work with.

Sorry for your bad experience, but if you approach a person like an eligibility officer with the same disdain that you approach people on this blog, no wonder you had a bad experience.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Goldie 9:55

A very good point. But in our society such behavior is automatically linked to homosexuality. And among many people, that’s one of the worst images they can have of themselves or be accused of by others - brings a lot of condemnation, ostracism. So I think a lot of people do care (witness many of the comments here - the terms and derision used).

In hindsight the statement you gave would have been wise - but guilt, panic and fear don’t often lead to wise decisions.

By Apocalypse

October 17, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin,

Please spread your homo propaganda elsewhere. No one here is interested.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

{{So I think a lot of people do care (witness many of the comments here - the terms and derision used).}}

Paul— And we agree that that’s their own problem, and not necessarily Larry Craig’s, correct?

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Glad you like the material, apoxofzits, please feel free to steal it. Then folks’ll think that you’re the comedic genius, instead of the undersalved rim tear you truly are.

what a clod. honestly.

Sen Craig, again, thank you for sticking to your story, and enunciating a perfectly rational explanation for your coded messages, which al queda will never decipher in a million years, in a men’s room.

That’s why it’s so important that gay code-culture exist, like the navajo wind talkers in ww2 which the japs couldn’t decipher, the war on terror will benefit and we will gain the ultimate triumph when every vestige of al queda and gay bashing is wiped from the face of the earth. Oh, make no mistake, we will gesture in the men’s room, around the stall dividers, near the hand dryers, and in the broom closets of mens’ rooms in airports everywhere until with God’s help there’ll be no one left to follow us home when we do cut and run like the gay surrender monkeys we aren’t ashamed to be.

Sen Craig auditioning for the role fo Rick in “Casablanca”….”Of all the stalls in all the menrooms in all the airports in all the world, that cop had to come into mine…..play with it, sam, play with it again, sam…”

Oh, I think my writer’s block is gone, dont you? Glad to provide some yucks for all of you. I love you all.

By Red Forman

October 17, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

I bet Mad as Zell has an even wider stance. Tap, tap, tap.

By efsr

October 17, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Good toon Mike. Funny becomes you.

On the topic of welfare entitlements — if a felon convicted of bribery loses his or her right to vote then why shouldn’t the recipient of government bribery lose their right to vote until they’ve made restitution by GETTING A FREAKING JOB?

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

“For future reference… common courtesy dictates that you would go back and look for a response before making a comment the next day as if there had been no response.” — RW (the original) I did go back to yesterday’s thread for that one.

I find it so interesting that Dusty, is always the first to bring me up in conversation.

There’s no need to “watch” me like some stalker, I did call you paranoid and also a bat - you are living up to both.

But Dusty, please, stop hiding behind RW, it just makes you seem weak.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Goldie 10:12

Precisely.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 9:52,

How on earth is it like “playing God” to look at a government program and ask whether it’s necessary or whether it’s a straight income redistribution scheme?

I don’t know where you get this social worker idea for me, but as for running for office I may do that later in life. For now I prefer to work on campaigns and lobby elected officials for change.

I agree that Hank Johnson seems more normal, but he also doesn’t seem to exist. I kind of wish I had CyMc back, but she’s busy running for President as the Green Party candidate.

Dusty,

As you well know I’m not trying to convince the Bosch’s or Mrs. G’s of the world of anything. I think they’re beyond reason. I write for the lurkers so they’ll see there is intelligent life out here.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Why the double standard with Sen. Craig from the dems? Do you also have a problem with Barney Frank and others? What if he is gay? So what? Why the commotion about him and not those on the left?

Having listened to the tape of the incident, I have no idea what he was doing or trying to do. I also have no idea why he pled guilty if he wasn’t guilty. It makes no sense to me. And why is his “private” life fair game when Bill’s isn’t? I’ll admit the circus this has become is a distraction to the Rep’s, but only because of the delight the Dem’s have in finding dirt on a Rep. Why are you allowed to remain if office when $90K is found in your freezer WITHOUT QUESTION from the Dems, but this issue is a big deal. Although I don’t agree with homosexuality, I’d much rather have a gay person representing me than a dishonest one.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So,

What are you saying? Are you accusing the good Senator from Idaho of being a liar? How dare you! I suspect that you would also claim that he was lying when he told the police officer that he was “entrapped.” As you know entrapment means that you did it, but only because a law enforcment officer or agent encouraged you to break the law. This would mean that Craig has a perfect defense: “I did it but he made me do it.”

It would seem to this observer that once Sen. Craig stated that he had been “entrapped” that this whole debate about whether he about to have sex in a men’s room would have ended. Of course he was but he had a great reason. The officer “made” him want to have sex in the men’s room. What do you expect a closeted gay republican to do? That’s like asking Rush to put down the Oxycotins that the doctors forced upon him. Or asking Mark Foley to leave those young nubile male pages alone. Rush didn’t ask to be addicted to drugs and Foley didn’t ask to be in the presence of so much temptation. And Craig didn’t ask to be solicited for hot man sex at the airport. It just isn’t these guys fault. You will notice that it is NEVER a Republican’s fault for anything, EVER.

RWNJIFG

By Paul

October 17, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Your OReilly comments (at least I think that’s who you mean as you like those cutesy name plays): he doesn’t buy Stockholm Syndrome. I do.

I like source material. Here’s the words, absent inserted viewpoints and “what he really meant” provided by other sites:

Link: BOR doesn’t accept Stockholm Syndrome

And when I read that, I also read a section I saw referenced nowhere by the websites so many like to go to:

“The kidnapping of those two boys should be front page news in your house if you have kids. I actually hope I’m wrong about Shawn Hornbeck. I hope he did not make a conscious decision to accept his captivity because Devlin made things easy for him. No school, play all day long.

But to just chalk this up to brainwashing and walk away is turn away from the true danger of child molesters and abductors. All American children must be taught survival skills, must be prepared to face crisis situations. That is the lesson of the Shawn Hornbeck story.”

So I don’t share his views on this. Nor on the value of rehabilitation for criminals. Or the appropriateness of some judicial sentences.

But I do share his views on questioning situations. I doubt any of the people you point to - Columnist (name)? MoveOn guys, ThinkProgress Columnists - that you agree with 100 percent of their opinions? Maybe you do.

But the other lesson is - attacking character rather than the substance of the argument. No where did I read in any of your sources “O Reilly’s statement is inaccurate because….”

More’s the pity -

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

What do you libs think about the news that Dick Cheney and Barry Obama may be cousins?

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

efsr, So, are you calling welfare recipients governments bribers? What if they do have a job? I love the way you are all getting on RW’s bandwagon.

See, RW, I really think you should run for office.

So, I guess you disagree with my belief that welfare recipients are not the problem, but the program is?

Let me ask you a question, are you parents still alive? Grandparents maybe? Just curious because I’m not sure how old you are.

When your parents get older and require additional assistance with their care, just know that they will also be the recipients of welfare, and not just Medicare, Social Security, etc., because that will not even begin to cover the expenses associated with elderly care, unless, you have lots of cash in store, which many do not.

Be thankful you live a charmed life, many do not.

By ray

October 17, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Wow, I never thought I would see the day when we act like Sunni’s and Shiites. Palestinians and Israli’s. And the various other dualing ideologies commited to hate each other. All we are is a bombing or violent attack of some form or another against a Republican or a Democrat and we’ll be just like the same dumb crap Mid-East non-sense we loathe so much. I truly believe that democracy as we were raised to know it and quick to defend it is going away just as fast as you hateful bunch, along with the other hateful radio hosts and TV talking heads, can spew your venom. It must be so easy to attack!! attack!!! attack!!! a blanket political party or one word descriptions of a person such as Liberal or Conservative. Come up with ANSWERS!!!!and SOLUTIONS!!! Think instead of hate for pete sakes. Or maybe it is just too easy to crap hate out of your mouth. And you all wonder why nothing ever changes. Sick.

By Say It Ain't So

October 17, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Bosch, I’m not saying that everyone that applies for government assistance are criminals. But a number of them are misleading their situation to collect government assistance. These people ARE criminals.

The governmental assistance programs are not criminal organizations, but a number of the people that control these programs are running them as a criminal organization.

Please show me where I called my wife’s niece a criminal. I was working with her and a “government assistance program” official to get her out of the ‘program’ which her parents got her involved in. After reviewing her actual details, she did not qualify for the program. The program allowed her to not be responsible for herself. Getting her out of the welfare system and requiring her to take responsibility for herself and her decisions has made her a productive member of the community. She is now a K-3 school teacher. 6 years ago she was a government freeloader.

Please inform us of how this statement is true. “that no one in this country, is completely without some kind of government assistance”.

My parents are gone, never having taken any $$ from the government. Except for social security which they paid more into than they received.

My distain for people on this blog is a figment of your imagination. I have very little tolerance for ignorance and lies, which a number of people on this blog try to pass off as truth and factual.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

{{What if he is gay? So what?}}

Correct, so what! So why go on national TV and make a proclamation stating “I am not gay!”… Who even said that he was to begin with?

And as far as “those on the left”, Barney Frank has never denied who he was, so there’s no “commotion” about him. Seems the Repugs are the ones making a commotion.

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Did anyone else watch Frontline last night? Unbelievable.

Some revelations:
- Congress works for the Executive
- If the President does it it’s legal
- The Executive a law’s legality, not the Judiciary

A real eye opener. No coup. No Constitutional amendment. Just put the Republicans in charge of the three branches of government and they coalesce into one.

Unbelievable.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

{{You will notice that it is NEVER a Republican’s fault for anything, EVER. }}

Good morning, Nut Job!

By getalife

October 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Good toon Mike.

That toe tapper was on prime time last night and is a bigger disgrace than Foley.

RW,

cheney’s wife is the source of that claim so it is bs.

Gullible again ?

Watched cheney law on PBS last night. Great documentary.

It showed two people deciding to trash the Constitution, cheney and addington. Real scum.

They gave us gitmo, torture, renditions, signing statements, executive priveledge and truly believe they are above the law.

They believe the executive is the only branch of government to make decisions and the rest work for them and spew you are with us or against us.

“The crown jewel” is name of sying on Americans and all these people should be locked up for life. They destroyed government and our country, ruined our morals and standing in the world.

They are not above the law. Period.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

RW, I get the social worker idea because you know all about government programs and would require little training.

I asked if you had the knowledge or expertise to make such a test, the test itself is “like playing God”, not you personally. The test you speak of would be a test to determine who is worthy or not, hence the “God” thing.

I think you should run for office now - you seem to be getting a following and I would love to hear how the rest of Dekalb County or the world would react to your ideas.

So, Hank isn’t around much. Too bad, I don’t think many Congresspeople are these days. Cynthia McKinney is a freak isn’t she? The Green Party in California? I need to read about this. I really just don’t understand why some people will just not go away and live their freaky lives in private - her and Craig both come to mind. I think it has to do with their need for power or their perception that they have it.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

What is with you and all the personal questions and how is it that you extrapolate that all but a select few elderly people will be welfare recipients?

My favorite color is probably hunter green. Happy?

Now how about detailing exactly what welfare for the elderly you mean so we can discuss it’s validity rather than you just talking in platitudes with violins playing in the background.

Paul,

I think you overestimate some of friends on the left here. Most of them worship at the altar of George Soros and will believe every single word that comes from one of the groups he funds. Many times we’ve pointed out how two stories will come from the same organization completely contradicting each other and it makes no difference to them. They happily believe both stories.

It never ceases to amaze me how completely brainwashed they are. Kind of a long distance Stockholm Syndrome if you will.

By Shawny

October 17, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Stupid Craig…he needs to resign. Anyone that changes his position like Kerry or Hill…..ah, nevermind.

Seriously, though, he does need to resign. What a loser and an idiot.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So, I’m just using the same circular logic you neos love so much.

Good for your niece - that’s great news.

I’m sorry your parents are gone, my sympathies, and I’m glad they never had to use any kind of government assistance for their care. Many are not so fortunate, you know, and as the boomers get older, it’s going to be interesting to see how it all works out.

My statement that no one is without some kind of government assistance comes from my belief that all government services are welfare of some type. The jargon and words may be a little different, but at least in my opinion, they are the same. I know some disagree with that position, but that’s how I see it.

I’m just curious, why was your niece on government assistance to begin with if you don’t mind me asking you a personal question? I really do think success stories like your niece are great. Many fall into the cracks, but it’s good she had support, and at least in my opinion, it is good there are government programs who can help people when they need it.

Some see welfare as a government hand out, which sometimes it is, but I see it as a means to help, I don’t see government programs as bad, I see them as helping people reaching their potential. Some abuse it, yes, and I agree they are not better than criminals, but there are lazy people in all socioeconomic levels looking for government handouts, either in welfare programs, government subsidies, etc. To me, it’s all the same.

By efsr

October 17, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Bosch, you dumbazz. I’m calling them benefactors of political bribes. It’s a vote buying scheme moron.

My parents spent the entirety of their adult lives paying into the system so they could draw SS. One of my parents died before receiving benefits. Who the hell do you think benefited from that untapped source?

They did their part to insure their future and the future of others. Too many welfare dependents don’t care enough to do that anymore.

You’re an idiot and a sucker.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Are you insane or really this stupid?

Sorry, had to shake you awake.

I haven’t said a thing about me looking at government programs and deciding who should get what.

I’ve said that I would look at the PROGRAMS. I’ve also said quite explicitly that I DON’T know all about government programs or even how many exist.

I’ve also said that I feel that anyone on straight welfare, which I define as taking money from one person’s pocket and sticking it into someone’s else’s at the point of a government gun, should not be able to vote until they were no longer taking that money. I have also said that they should have no privacy when it comes to assets or their financial situation.

Frankly that’s the fifth time I’ve described that just to you and it’s pointless to do it again.

I’ve always thought of political office as something you do later in life. I’m also more of a tactician than a politician. Kind of a Karl Rove if you will.

I’m for strict term limits because I think career politicians are what gets this country bogged down in these endless bureaucratic messes where we never end or cut a program.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

RW(the original),

This blog gets almost laughable at times. Just mention a blogger’s name and that makes one “crazy about me”. What conceit!!

Not much mention of Gore today. I guess we are stuck with the important issue of men’s rest rooms as subject de jour or maybe “welfare”. Who knows??? It’s a liberal blog.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

They asked Craig about his gsy lifestyle and he said he was just kind of sucked into it.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

IntheNews@ 10:41 — I heard this morning on the news that an aide to Obama stated that Cheney was certainly “the black sheep in the family”— ROFL!

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

The Vice President of the Unites States does not write anything down. Why? So nobody can find out what went on in his office.

What about accountability?

Open government?

Unbelievable.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Criag is a drama queen like doomed who is mad at the gop for throwing him under the bus and backing over him.

His revenge is to stay so the gop will lose in 08.

I say good for him.

They deserve to lose and can’t govern.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

gay lifestyle

damn, i blew the joke

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You could give them a little poetry and watch their heads really explode.

getalife,

It’s got to be true, I heard it on Fox News. :-)

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

I would agree Craig needs to resign and take his circus somewhere else, except that I’m sick of the R’s having to resign for this kind of stuff and the D’s get to stay.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

RW,

My favorite color is green too! How weird.

Gotta run out for a bit, I’ll continue later…………..

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

{{Kind of a Karl Rove if you will.}}

Ewww! You’re even worse than I previously suspected.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

John @ 11:11 — no, it was still a great joke… I certainly guffawed! Got sucked into it, indeed…

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

I would agree Craig needs to resign and take his circus somewhere else, except that I’m sick of the R’s having to resign for this kind of stuff and the D’s get to stay.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

RW,

Next you will use the National Enquirer as a source.

Geez, not too bright.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Unfortunately for you the Craig story isn’t going to help you in 2008. The story will be far too old. What you should have done is covered it up for a couple years like you did with the Foley story.

Bosch,

There you go again, to quote a great American.

I said Hunter Green.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

RW, I’m doing that thing that I hate, but I saw your last comment,

there is no such thing as “straight welfare” and that’s about the fifth time I’ve told just you that as well.

So you like hunter green? I’m more of an olive green person myself :-)

Later!

By Paul

October 17, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

“Many times we’ve pointed out how two stories will come from the same organization completely contradicting each other and it makes no difference to them. They happily believe both stories.”

LOL! Then again, that’s one of the definitions of an ideologue, isn’t it? Defining events to fit the preconceived view.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Speaking of the National Enquirer, what about Edwards and his Clinton imitation?

Bosch,

As for straight welfare it’s just a difference in our definitions. You seem to think if there is any kind of means test whatsoever than we should just shut up and pay it and it doesn’t count as income redistribution. I don’t.

By RB's a twit

October 17, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

R(unny) B(owels), The R’s are leaving in droves because their hypocrisy has caught up with them and the people hate them.

The D’s don’t oppose gay marriage in one breath, and then cruise the men’s bathroom the next.

They don’t sit in church and talk about gays going to hell one day and then get caught with a dildo up their a* the next.

The D’s would show you how to use the dildo and be proud they could help you with your sexual frustration needs.

By efsr

October 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Speaking of SS benefits.

First Baby Boomer Applies for Social Security

I bet Bosch, the government’s moron is waiting for the day his benefits come through.

I VOLUNTARILY started investing in a 401K at the age of 22. I INVOLUNTARILY am forced to contribute to a failed government program. It’s been countless years that reps have been sounding the alarm on SS. The dems want to up the anty with taxes—finance a loosing hand.

Freaking losers! Anybody that buys into the dem shams are freaking losers. They like it that way.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I guess, except an ideologue should have to have some basic ideals. This is more cult-like.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Ideologue eh?

That is rich:

cheney’s law is the same thing written by John Dean in “Broken Government”.

It is historic in a bad way on the destruction of our government and the rule of law.

Civic courses will need to be changed to teach there are not three equal branches of government and “liberty and justice for all” is history. The rule of law is history and there are many changes needed to be made to fit cheney’s law like we torture and rendition to torture, habeas corpus, spying on Americans, etc…

Yea ideologue and you idiots cheer this blatant criminal trashing of the Constitution.

Just pathetic .

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)@11:12

You have inspired me to write POETRY—-ahhh (naughty boy!) Here goes with MUSSEL MELODY..

I kissed a mussel but its lips were tight.

It said there was no water in the night.

But down the banks came the Chattahooch

So I went back to get another smooch!

But “clam” chowder was being served

And mussel baby got what he deserved.

You’re not a protected species when it comes to soup,

Unless you belong to a liberal group..

The END (no applause, please.)

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Say what you will about Shrub (just not within earshot of impressionable young children), he does know his audience. I flipped on CNN just in time to hear him explain to those listening what a “veto” is. Considering the fact that none of the people who are still supporting have ever read the Constitution, that’s a pretty shrewd move.

By Say It Ain't So

October 17, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

RightWNJiFG, (10:37) Show me where I commented on Sen. Craig.

Bosch, (10:41) Are you calling Social Security a welfare program? How is my putting money into a program all my life (without the option of not participating) and then withdrawing MY money when I retire welfare? Social Security is nothing but a Ponzi schema.

The day that Roth IRA’s became available I started investing in my kids future. They are still in school but their IRA’s are getting real close to 6 figures already. (Hint: You can ‘pay’ your kids for making their beds, picking up their cloths, brushing their teeth and other things and it constitutes earned income regardless of their age. You just have to keep a record and make sure that they do not earn enough to owe any taxes.)

My wife’s niece has Turner Syndrome. Her parents have a substance abuse problem. Moms in the bottle and dad does whatever drugs he can afford. One affect of Turner Syndrome is being very disorganized. Her only symptoms are fertility (sterile), height (4’2”), organizational skills and being slow to comprehend some things. When she does not understand something, it has to be explained in very simple terms. Once she grasps the knowledge and understands, it is locked in and she can explain it back in great details. At 30 her parents got tired of helping her. They used her illness as a way to get government assistance claiming that she also suffered some mental problems. Which was not true.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Yes, he is passing the blame on legislation ignoring his veto and the ones the dems passed.

It is their election strategy to block legislation and then spew the dems are not doing anything.

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Paul — I guess BillO’s latest jihad got to you too. Oooooh, Soros, the boogie man, waaaah! Hold me tighter, mommy, there’s a Soros under my bed. Get a grip. You’re a reasonable human being, you know better than to take anything RW says seriously.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

EFSR: Interesting that you define an overwhelmingly successful program like Social Security as a “failure.”

Maybe you can turn that around on Iraq and call it a “victory.”

By getalife

October 17, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Geez RW,

Your are regressing.

Medicated?

By Truthman

October 17, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Is this the sports vent:

Go Hawks!!

By Truthman

October 17, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Is this the sports vent?

Go Hawks!!

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

{{My statement that no one is without some kind of government assistance}}

Bosch— let’s see, there’s police and fire protection for everyone, road-building for everyone, food inspections, water sanitation, and libraries available to all…

It seems that it’s the Repugs who have no desire to contribute to a functioning society — it’s all about dog eat dog to them, and you certainly can’t eat if you can’t pay for it, according to their ideology.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Gross, Dusty is getting it on with shellfish - show some dignity, woman.

Say It Ain’t So,

I’m very happy for your niece. I’m glad you and your wife were there to support her - it sounds like she needed it. It’s too bad we can’t pick our relatives (mother and dad of niece), isn’t it? It sounds like she got lucky having your wife as a relative, and she’s lucky to live in a great country that offers help to those who need it. I’m glad she’s doing well. Teachers are a blessing to our society.

efsr,

As a bitter neo-con, it is customary for you to make inaccurate assumptions, and that I sit back and am waiting on my government money is one of those innacurate assumptions. I have a great job!

RW,

“You seem to think if there is any kind of means test whatsoever than we should just shut up and pay it and it doesn’t count as income redistribution. I don’t.”

No, I don’t think that at all. I don’t think we should ever just shut up and pay something without first requiring the person asking for it to PROOVE they need it, which they are required to do. I do think you can call any kind of government assistance “income redistribution” but I don’t see a problem with it, if the person truly needs it.

I just happen to believe that if you criticize or think that any kind of government spending is wrong, then it is only fair to look at all the problems (and maybe this is where you were going earlier and I misunderstood you). I personally will never think it is a bad thing for the government of a country to invest money on its citizens who truly need help. Are their abuses? Yes, and they should be prosecuted and put in jail. Are their abuses with government contractors? Yes, and they should be punished an put in jail as well. I see that as the same thing.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

{{I VOLUNTARILY started investing in a 401K at the age of 22.}}

Everyone stand up and clap for the Ef-er! He obviously gets no respect at home.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Say it Ain’t So,

While I may have looked back only to find that I must have actually been responding to someone else, I will not say that I am sorry or that I may have made a mistake. I am a winger after all so that ain’t my style.

After due consideration of the situation, I would have to say that while I addressed you with the blog regarding Sen. Craig, my defense is as follows:

1) a liberal made me do it 2) I was distracted because I was day dreaming about gay sex in public bathrooms which I would have never considered except for the influence of the liberal media and the Hollywood elite who are corrupting us all 3) any further discussion of this topic is evidence of the liberal bias in the drive-by media 4) any further discussion regarding this issue emboldens the enemy and undermines the troops 5) my 6 doctors have been precribing me pain medication and 32 oxycotins an hour will greatly effect a person 6) I am not at fault 7) You must hate America 8) I didn’t hear you complaining when did the same thing to so why are you complaining now? 9) I have been signled out by the elite because of my consistent conservative views.
10) You never see a liberal attacked like this 11) You can almost spell “Osama” using the letters in your name. What does that tell us about you? 12) anything else you are trying to hide? 13) why haven’t you ever publicly condemned the terrorists? Isn’t it because you are one?

I think that ought to cover it.

RWNJIFG

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Right, cabbage soup,@12:37

I’m madly in love with “Clam Chowder” and all its relatives. Never met a clam, mussel, oyster or scallop that I couldn’t love. I cannot help myself. Bring it on…and the crackers too. Ahhhhh…

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Max Cleland Set To Debate Karl Rove By Greg Sargent - October 17, 2007, 11:34AM This should make for some good theatrics: According to Political Wire, Karl Rove and Max Cleland, the triple amputee vet who was knocked out of the Senate partly by a nasty GOP ad campaign linking him to Osama Bin Laden, are set to debate one another at Pat Robertson’s Regent University on Oct. 26. The topic: Whether American Democracy should be exported to the world.

They’ve apparently never met. It’ll be interesting to see if Cleland asks the question directly of Rove that so many people have asked since his 2002 loss: “Sir, were you behind those ads tying a veteran who sacrificed three limbs for his country to a terrorist mass murder of thousands of Americans?” Stay tuned.

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Beltway bandit at 10:45, I did watch Frontline last night. BTW for you “retard TV” watchers, that is one of the numerous great shows on that evil, subversive liberal network, PBS.

Yet further extremely clear evidence of a rogue administration that will do virtually anything to get their way, legal or not, moral or not.

Though many Americans have long suspected that the inside dealings of this administration are in countless cases completely corrupt and self serving, it appears that VP Cheney has taken it to new levels.

And for those watching this administration for the past seven years or so, that is not in the least bit surprising. Disappointing, yes, but not at all surprising.

For the life of me, I just don’t understand how the few remaining apologists still refuse to see the incredible hubris, shortsightedness and resulting ineptitude of this Bush/Cheney regime.

I really never thought the GOP would crank out another Nixon/Agnew team this quickly, albeit this one is MUCH more incompetent and dangerous.

But mark my words, this Republican “leadership” that tries to pass itself off as effective governance is going to cost their party dearly.

It started last November, but the writing is definitely on the wall that another GOP disaster looms.

And after this crowd, that bodes well for the nation.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Yes, crusty ♥ the seefood buffett. She eats everything she sees.

Pig.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

IntheNews @ 1:00 — ain’t Leviticus a grand ole hate rag???

By jacksonwolff

October 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

as far as Larry Craig goes, well, I think Rhett Butler said it best…

“frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”

I don’t care what or who anyone in washington:

1.)does in their bedroom

2.)says to his/her wife/husband.

3.)their fantasies and mental insecurities are.

All I want to know is… Are these people doing what’s in the best interest on the law abiding, tax paying, citizens of this country.

By Midori

October 17, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

ROFL, Getalife.

“oink, oink” :)

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Bosch— I left out the Neo-cons’ favorite gov’t handout in my post @ 12:37… let’s not forget all the MILLIONS in tax subsidies that we give to our OIL companies, so that they can then give that money to their retiring CEOs! What was the name of that that guy who retired last year and got about a HALF-BILLION $$$ in his pocket???

The Neo-con trolls certainly love their Big Oil handouts, yes?

By Al Sharpton

October 17, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Cheney and Obama cousins.

There must have been one in the Cheney wood pile years ago.

By efsr

October 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

I’m not bitter Bosch just amazed by the stupidity of people like you.

“Some see welfare as a government hand out, which sometimes it is, but I see it as a means to help, I don’t see government programs as bad, I see them as helping people reaching their potential.”

You said that Bosch. Read it carefully. I’ll translate for you.

“It’s good. It’s bad. I’ll vote for it HOPING it will be good.

What do you do when you vote? look for the candidate with an N (neutral) behind his name? You’re either a moron or trying to convince everybody you’re a moron so you likely vote D for dumb and take pride in having done so.

I don’t know what kind of great job you have but it must not require a literacy test. Your spelling sux and you do it in all caps. PROOVE?

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

{{Your spelling sux }}

Oh no — not another spelling gestapo here! We already have BD for that and he/she’s obnoxious enough for the both of you…

Shoo now! Be gone!

By getalife

October 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

“Big News: Pelosi takes a stand on Iran, Iraq, and FISA:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday she has no plans to bring up a Senate resolution asking the Bush administration to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization.

(O)ver the course of the interview, Pelosi made three specific promises on the question of funding the war and on the Congressional battle over FISA: 1) that the House will not take up a war appropriations bill this year 2) that there will be no war appropriations bill next year that doesn’t include a fixed date for bringing the troops home 3) that House Democrats will put up a major fight over the Bush administration’s desire to make permanent the FISA law passed in August, particularly over the issue of retroactive immunity that the Senate has already given in on.”

Choke on that losers.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie October 17, 2007 1:09 PM DHIMMI THE NEWS @ 1:00 — ain’t Leviticus a grand ole hate rag???}}}}

The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ rendered the laws of the Old Testament (Leviticus is Old Testament) meaningless, unless of course, you are an “unperfected Jew.”

Dumbas-ses.

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Ah well getalife, 140 years is a nice run (better than Cats!).

… that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I bet she is pushing 400.

Its the fruitcake for the fruitcake.

She guzzles Manechevitz like a wino.

Nasty.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Didn’t we hear all those same promises from Pelosi before she backed down on all of them this year.

You know that fool me one/fool me twice thing? These Democrats know they can fool you over and over and over. It would really be funny to watch if it wasn’t so sad.

Bosch,

Rather than me telling you how I feel about punishing crime regardless of where or what level it’s found on, I’ll let the people that have been here all along tell you. It should be interesting to see who gets it right.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

rushncap 12:01

Amazing, isn’t it? A tv commentator says much of the funding of several farleft special interest sites comes from one person, or via other sites funded by the person, obtains the info from SEC filings and comments on the implications and he’s a fearmonger.

A Republican political figure obtains lots of funds from a certain industry (oil) and those same people who before yelled “fearmonger” now scream “conspiracy! Influence! Bought and paid for! Secrecy! His Masters Drive the Agenda!”

Just another mild inconsistency.

Rather than just hurling epithets I’d really like to see the financials (not just the SEC filings) from the organizations. But, they won’t release?

Can I have a “Conspiracy, Secrecy!!” cheer?

Goldie 12:27 [[The Dems are raising more campaign funds than the Repugs, about 3 to 1:]]

Hillary’s gonna have to hire lots more accountants to keep straight who she owes all the favors through. Except the hedge fund managers. Nobody can forget all that cash!

Obama doesn’t have that problem.

Goldie 12:37 [[It seems that it’s the Repugs who have no desire to contribute to a functioning society]]

I guess you forgot about the study by the Syracuse professor, discussed here, that showed religious, churchgoing, conservative folks (Dems? Reps?) donated far more to charity - which funds were disseminated to programs to many needy people) than their ideological counterparts?

Top predictor of giving: Do you attend church?

Top reason by wealthy liberals for not donating? “That’s the government’s responsibility. When they tax me, then they’ll get it.”

No response necessary: all the arguments, pro and con, have been made. Many “con” arguments by people who never read the study.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

If you melted down all the politician’s brains there wouldn’t be enough to fuel a p**-ant’s motorcycle.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Dang-I GOT CENSORED.

I didn’t know the Repubs ran the AJC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By getalife

October 17, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

That is great news ITN. I think I will get in on the class action lawsuits just out of principle of being a real American and not a good little german like RW.

RW,

She is on the right track, deal with it.

BB,

It is not over, people like RW and ilk will be marginalized as the kooks they really are and we can restore the Constitution.

There are still some real Americans in Congress and we need to purge the unAmericans. I am all for term limits to rid the trash.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Anybody see Tony Snow on John Stewart last night? Link Here

My heart goes out to the man, his prognosis can’t be good. I wish him the best.

He stated again that he left his job as White House Press Secretary for financial reasons. In fact, last night he said and I quote, “I’m broke, yea”.

As of 2005 the WH Press Sec salary was 161,000.00 annually.

I find it not a little ironic that while he is making that statement and probably having to face massive medical bills himself, that we are bickering about SCHIP.

To head off any torrent of little red rightie hoods silliness…. I am not attacking Mr. Snow in any way shape or form.

I’m just a funny old broad (still got great legs though) who sees the irony here.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

{{The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ rendered the laws of the Old Testament (Leviticus is Old Testament) meaningless}}

Yeah, DUHHHH, it’s too bad that you Repugs are still using Leviticus today to justify the discrimination of gays…

By Paul

October 17, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie 1:15

Oil and gas industry donations go about 80/20 Rep to Dem. 4,5,7 million still ain’t chickenfeed. So I guess those Dems who got the 20 percent (not 20 percent of Dems - that’s another story) are neocon Dems? Kinda like Pres Clinton was a neocon when he got the nearly $400k from Enron?

Keeping up with these Party switches can make one dizzy -

Link: oil and gas contributions

By efsr

October 17, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Goldie, you’re stupidity is blatant. You praise your dem politicians for raising more campaign funds by 3 to 1 but then you criticize CEOs who earn money by getting the job done and employing hundreds of thousands of people.

That tells me you’re a government tool who resents the accomplishments of others. How do you think politicians become so rich? They use losers like you, then they hold you hostage to their political whims.

You libs will never get it. You’ve got stars in your eyes when it comes to politicians. Just look at the DraftGore embeciles. He used them to win a nobel prize and then dumps on their dreams for his candidacy once he’s on top. How the hell did he accomplish that great feat?

By talking over the heads of dumbazzes, by misleading them to believe he had a knowledge of science but no facts to support them. Now he expects you idiots to pay to see his dream fulfilled.

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Paul — the difference is: what do you stand to gain? Soros does not stand to gain anything from supporting the causes that he does. He supports them because he believes in them, because he feels like his vast wealth should be used for good of all people, rather than just buying a few more yachts. The oil industry most definitely has something to gain. Their influence exists first, foremost and solely to increase their own wealth, usually at the expense of others. So yes, there is quite a difference between the two cases. Oil industry arguably got us into this war. Soros is yet to be accused of being responsible for thousands of deaths (which is no small feat, the Party o’Rove will accuse anyone of practically anything if need be).

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

You see a correlation between S-CHIP and Tony Snow? You do know what the “C” stands for don’t you?

Thanks for your kind words about Mr. Snow. It’s nice to see a left winger that doesn’t just tell him to go away and die.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Golduh October 17, 2007 1:54 PM Yeah, DUHHHH, it’s too bad that you Repugs are still using Leviticus today to justify the discrimination of gays…}}}}

Golduh: Maybe it was another hysterical lib woman, I can’t keep track of them, but just last month I showed the whole blog New Testament scripture that strictly forbid homosexuality.

Maybe you should like actually read the Bible instead of babbling endlessly about something you don’t understand, no? (well, that could apply to just about anything you say.)

What, is it too big for you? Too many complicated words?

Are you content to go through ignorant of the Word of God?

By Paul

October 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:51

[[I am all for term limits to rid the trash]]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And full Federal funding (too bad, it’ll really take away some of the big discussion points here - you know - Reps get donations, they’re bad, Dems get donations, they’re good)

Seriously, a problem I have with one person getting elected for decades - people get assigned to committees and leadership based largely upon seniority. They control the social, economic and political agenda (I know, with this Congress that’s a stretch). So you can have a Congressman or Senator from a state or district whose politics are far different from yours, and your representative, trying to represent you, will get regularly steamrollered.

I’m for more equity in all peoples being represented - not more equity for the representative who outlives the others.

Goldie 1:54

Now that’s an argument I’ve made many times, never ever get a good comeback. Just silence. Oh, and I’ve heard the same arguments (Leviticus) used by Dems, too. Good one!

rushncap 2:01

I don’t share your view of altruism. For many it’s not about money - intangibles come through. Kinda like some religious types who want to convert others. What do they stand to gain? It’s a philosophy/ideology thing.

I understand Mr. Soros has many of his financial accounts off shore. All legal, yes, but the objective? Avoid taxes. That’s one of those inconsistencies I find so annoying (this isn’t just about Mr. Soros - I’ve made the same comments about our wealthy Dem and Rep politicians). Move the money back onshore, pay the tax, help the people.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 17, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Yes, RW, I know what the C stands for. Don’t be silly!

I also realize that S-CHIP is part of a larger debate regarding healthcare in this country.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

My dears, I am in tears!

getalife and Midori have PANNED my inspiring “Mussels Melody”. What a shame.

I thought that Sunday poetry guy would be on the phone. I guess he’s busy.

To getalife & midori—may your cup be filled with Manichevits and your fruitcake as nutty as yourself.

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Nice bait and switch, Paul. You really should know better, however, it won’t work with me. You may agree or disagree with the philosophy of Mr. Soros. You may quibble with his accounting practices. But in your earlier post your statement was that you see no difference in level of sinister-ness between donations made by oil conglomerates and donations made by Soros. I refuted that point. You immediately moved on to something else. At least you could extend me the same courtesy I extend to you when you make a good point: acknowledge it. There is a tangible, objective difference between the two. That was my only point.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty

Manichevitz?!!?

I think N-GA may have just detected a disturbance in the Force and he’ll make an appearance soon…

Cute toast, BTW -

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I couldn’t disagree more with the public funding of elections.

Here’s the RW plan for campaign finance and then I’ll be running out for awhile.

First eliminate all public finance and repeal all campaign finance laws.

Get that box off the 1040 that tricks people into financing losers like Al Sharpton, John Edwards, and others that are flying around on an ego trip that we’re paying for whether we like them or not.

Individual contributers, corporations, unions etc can now give whatever amount they want to whomever they want.

The candidate has to make all donations public and can’t spend a penny of the money until the public has had 90 days to examine the donations. 30 days for local elections.

Simple eh?

Later!

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

efsr, How do you spell proove? Is that not right? Your right, I’m a horrible speller. Let me look it up [feel free to hum the tune to Jeopardy while I do this little task]………………………………………..OH, it’s just one “o” sorry. That just doesn’t seem right, one “o” in proove, I personally like it the other way - think about it, “proove” that has a ewww sound in the middle and I just think two “o”s sounds more appropriate, but the English language is a funny thing.

I digress.

Oh no, efsr, you don’t sound bitter at all in your last two posts, in fact, you sound like a sweet little angel calling me a moron and loser (or is it looser? Hold on a minute………………………. nope had it right the first time).

And while you are arrogant enough to think that you need to translate my OWN posts for me, I assure you that I do not need help with translating my own thoughts, or any of the other thoughts that I happen to think and base my beliefs on, got it?

Isn’t that a nice little neo-con telling people not only HOW to think, but telling them HOW to think about the the things they think.

No, you’re not bitter, your just an arrogant, self-righteous a*******hole, that’s all.

God, how I absolutely hate fascists who try and tell me either a) how to think or b) what I’m thinking, - I’m prejudiced against people like that too.

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

getalife, I don’t know about that. It would take guts and integrity on the part of quite a few politicians. Something that sort of person is not known for. Un-ring that bell, put the genie back in the bottle, etc.

I have been thinking along these lines for quite a while, even before the article appeared.

I am not a particularly good student of history but I seem to recall that the Byzantine empire had the best run (Western, let’s leave the East out of this for now) at 1200 years. Rome was much less, coming in at around 500. I would say that 200 years was a pretty good showing, wouldn’t you?

By Paul

October 17, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

rushncap 2:18

Wasn’t a bait and switch - two points:

people can be driven by ideology, with nonfinancial, intangible rewards

these same people - and at a certain wealth level they cut across the political and ideological spectrums - will take extraordinary efforts to conserve their wealth

I didn’t see “no difference.” The point was - substitute the idea for the specific - when people lay out the case:

Entity - provides money - to entity - for purpose N - the motives are Y

the conclusions one draws are based upon the specifics - but it’s the same construct.

Organizations who make donations at that level are seeking influence. Same with people funding ideological movements - be it MoveOn/EarthFirst/Greens/NRA/FocusOnFamily. It’s the “money/power” thing in a different form.

I did agree with your point that people such as Soros do what they do because in their minds they’re doing it for the good of others. I did not agree that they stand to gain nothing - that was the intangibles argument. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Paul@2:20

About Manichevitz, that was a standing joke in the old days when this blog was fun, open all night, and getalife still had a sense of humor.

I am not a wine drinker but mentioned the pleasure of fruitcake and the tasty Manichevitz (which generated many jokes about my savoir faire at the time).

Nothing like the “ol’ days”. I still like the good cake and Manischev!!

By getalife

October 17, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

crusty,

You are what you eat.

Stick to calling Americans unpatriotic for not supporting your failed party destroying our country because your poetry sux.

Loser.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) 2:26

That’s pretty clear.

What it boils down to for me, though, is no one’s ever been able to explain to me the difference between a campaign contribution and a bribe.

And a minor point - seems politicians spend about half their time grubbing for money. This Congress illustrates perfectly - they could sure use more time to get something done. Unless one thinks more time will simply yield more of same old, same old.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

getalife

More Manichevitz?

Dusty - don’t know if you signed off the other day - read of one fruitcake that always comes out on top of many lists (yeah, I read a lot of cooking sites) is Assumption Abbey in Missouri. I can’t eat them as I’m allergic to walnuts. The other is Collin Street Bakery in Texas. They do a very good apricot fruitcake. Real heavy on the pecans.

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Paul — your original post was comparing Soros providing money to liberal causes with oil companies providing money to conservative causes. I pointed out that you are comparing apples and oranges. Now you say that since both are “entity A providing money to cause B”, they’re all really equivalent and should be treated the same. This is demonstrably false, just like saying that Al Quaeda buying neurotoxins on the black market is fundamentally equivalent to me buying a sandwich at Subway. There is a world of difference between “person donating money for a cause he believes in” and “company donating money with the expectation that it will gain illegitimate benefits in return”. So your comparison was completely inapt.

If you were to compare Soros to Dobson, that is a different story. And you will not find a liberal (around here) who argues that Dobson should not be able to donate his money for a cause he believes in. So you were intentionally picking 2 clearly disparate cases, and comparing the 2 in an effort to make liberals seem hypocritical. All I did was call you on that tactic. I’m not arguing that every time you give away money you are hoping to get something in return, be it a sandwich, a piece of favorable legislation, the satisfaction of helping a poor person or a weapon. But certain purchases are legal, certain immoral and certain illegal. Bribery is illegal in this country, so liberals’ opposition to bribery is not hypocrisy.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

{{I guess you forgot about the study by the Syracuse professor, discussed here, that showed religious, churchgoing, conservative folks (Dems? Reps?) donated far more to charity -}}

Paul, I wasn’t posting about charity donations… I was commenting that the Repugs don’t won’t to pay for any gov’t involvement in society, such as police protection, food inspections, etc…. they don’t seem to see any “cost-benefit” to having a well-functioning society. It’s all about “I don’t want my tax dollars spent on XYZ…”, like they get to pick and choose… who (other than Ef-er rants that “you criticize CEOs who earn money by getting the job done” ) wants to keep giving subsidies to the oil CEOs who’re NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE if we have to keep getting oil from terrorist countries???

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

{{This is demonstrably false, just like saying that Al Quaeda buying neurotoxins on the black market is fundamentally equivalent to me buying a sandwich at Subway.}}

Thanks rushncap — that’s a great analogy to the apples and oranges discussion that some people keep “circling” their arguments around!

By efsr

October 17, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Goldie, you’re using a Nader site to point to greedy corporatists? I think it was back in 2000 that Nader used his right to privacy when asked to reveal his charitable contributions. The man’s financial worth is around $3 mill plus. Be specific; what does he do for a living? He’s heavily invested in successful technology stocks. Aren’t those the target of his consumer advocacy group.

Look out for your own interests Goldie. Nobody is looking out for you.

Bosch, is that not what you’ve been saying all morning?

“It’s good.”

“Sometimes it’s bad.”

“Sometimes I just don’t know.”

“I vote with the best of intentions and TRUST or HOPE the politicians will follow through.”

You’re a fascists dream. That’s why you’re a dem. They need people like you. Without you buying into their schemes, they would be nobodys with nothing.

Yes I’m an azz. You were right about one thing.

I’ll check back in a week or so. Be ready because I call them like I see them. I’m not blind like you libs.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

How can you tell who the gay terrorists is on an airplane? Easy, he’s the one who’s light in the loafers.

(Lightin’ the loafers, get it?)

This is a gift for all of you to tell at the water cooler at work, or tell your family, they will think you are a comedic genius. Take it. it’s a throw-away. i dont care, I want you all 2B happy.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Yea, Seniors are getting a raise:

Social Security going up by 2.3 percent

Choke on that wingnuts.

Bwa.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

BB,

Interesting but I am no history buff either.

I do support a progressive approach to undo the damage like term limits and corruption sentences like the Chinese.

Career politicians was not what the founding fathers had in mind. They thought real Americans could serve a few years and go back to their real jobs like farming.

Their idea has been hijacked by corruption and the wingnuts. Of course, most Americans do not care or have given up on ever trusting these people and rightly so.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Damn I hate 2 hour meetings right after lunch.

SNOOOOOOOOOOOZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap 2:47

Your premise seems to be that wealthy people advocating causes are okay because they’re altruistic but wealthy corporations aren’t because they seek “illegitimate” gains.

I wasn’t comparing Soros and oil companies. I was comparing peoples’ reactions when they both do the same thing. I tried to show the idea of “N donates for cause Y” is bad if it’s for unpopular corporations but good for wealthy people. But you accept wealthy people are true altruists so you reject it. I don’t accept they are. That’s the difference.

I didn’t say they should be treated the same - I said the arguments are the same and should be evaluated in the same light.

Purchasing an item for consumption or use is not the same as spending money to further a cause.

I picked oil companies because the example is far enough away from Soros to illustrate the concept.

I’d say more than a few people around here take issue with the idea Dobson should be able to spend as much as he can and influence politicians and others as much as he can (grin). Personally, I don’t take him very seriously.

[[Bribery is illegal in this country, so liberals’ opposition to bribery is not hypocrisy.]] Pls see my 2:38 to RW-(the original). So now I’m a liberal? Kewl!

People, at a very high wealth level, have, I think, just a little different expectation that the person who sends twenty bucks to Obama.

I’m suspicious of any person or entity who injects a huge amount of cash to further a cause, ideology, business, etc. Left, Right, Socialist, Earth Firster, John Bircher, Gun Gal, Abortion Guy - the labels matter little to me. They are seeking something - and it may be something with which I disagree but do not have the personal resources to counter.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

{{You’re a fascists dream. That’s why you’re a dem.}}

Ef-er, if you’ve studied history at all, you’d know that “fascists” are right-wingnut ideologues like you!

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 17, 2007 3:00 PM Yea, Seniors are getting a raise: Social Security going up by 2.3 percent Choke on that wingnuts. Bwa.}}}}

Yep, now the great “god” of government is lavishing $13,000 a year on the retirees of the United States.

Whoop dee do.

What a laughingstock.

It just shows you what ignorance is at play here, turning the future of America over to profoundly stupid government, run by special interests.

Instead of encouraging people to become more self sufficient and more productive, like they were before liberals grabbed power, no, we are enslaving them to a dismal future dictated by some measly 2.3% raise which makes some parasite think he’s found the gold at the end of the rainbow.

Duh.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Goldie 2:48

Thanks for the clarification. I misunderstood. I think it gets down to “if I like the program it’s okay if I don’t it’s socialism.”

BTW - I was once at a gathering where a bunch of people (circa 1993) were having a discussion pretty much slamming Hillary’s health care proposals. One of the guys was a military officer - he was the most vocal. I walked over and asked him why he opposed her “socialized” system when he and his family were beneficiaries of the most socialized medicine system in America. I pointed out he paid nothing for it yet he, his wife and kids got free care for anything that happened. He responded that was a benefit of his employment. I said it was only a benefit because the American taxpayers, through their representatives, chose to make it so. And that still didn’t change the facts of the situation. The conversation kind of fizzled after that.

Again, I didn’t say if I liked Hillary’s proposals or not. I just really disliked the guy’s arguing to deny something for an entire society while he was receiving essentially the same.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Turkish Parliament Approves Cross-Border Attacks

Oh Great! My fuel tank is empty.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

A little history on the stock market

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

We get it duh, you hate American children, seniors, hell you hate all Americans unless they are morons like you.

But you love corporate and Iraqi welfare don’t ya loser?

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Gee Paul, what a buzz kill. Just kidding. You know I agree with you there.

Good for you, it’s always nice to point out hypocrisy.

I had another thought about welfare while I was eating my gyro for lunch: it’s astonishing to me that people will criticize people who receive government assistance, because, let’s face it, in most cases, who would want to be in their shoes? I know I’m basing their standard of living on my own, and maybe they are perfectly happy, but being poor isn’t anything to criticize.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul,

Is there a gop health care plan yet?

Lets compare when you find one.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 17, 2007 3:28 PM We get it duh, you hate American children, seniors, hell you hate all Americans unless they are morons like you. But you love corporate and Iraqi welfare don’t ya loser?}}}}

al-Gitmo: Thanks to private industry, I plan on foregoing my Social Security benefits when I retire, which won’t be very long from now.

You that have chosen to suck America dry will need every penny you can get.

You call that “hate?”

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Here, Piggy, Piggy, Piggy!

I saw this and suddenly thought of………………………

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Bosch

The fact some people seem to be okay with a marginal income just barely above the poverty level (okay, out there, pls save the fun with numbers studies by Heritage, etc showing welfare people really get $35k a year)is, to me, pretty sad. Judgmental? I hope not. Just sad.

BTW - that was a good part of the exchange between O’Reilly and Rev Jackson - the relationship between a high rate of out of wedlock children, absence of fathers, and a lifetime of poverty. It really was an interesting discussion.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Ewwwww, but scrolled down and saw this story:

‘Human Flesh Tastes Like Pork’ In his first television interview, German cannibal Armin Meiwes describes the taste of human flesh, provides a decent recipe for steak, explains his fascination with the fairy tale Hansel and Gretel — and insists that he’s a normal person

I remember this story five years ago, it really creeps me out. The other Bosch still makes fun of our German friends for this.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

getalife 3:32

Mitt Romney’s? Wait, his //implemented, functioning, comprehensive// health care system for Mass was watered down a bit to appeal to states rights types. Guiliani and McCain? They’ve announced, I haven’t much looked at them.

What I did get a kick out of was Hillary lifting Pres Bush’s tax credit/voucher proposal for low-income households.

Somebody’s gotta start making “Hillary: Bush Lite” T-shirts.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

{{I said it was only a benefit because the American taxpayers, through their representatives, chose to make it so. And that still didn’t change the facts of the situation. The conversation kind of fizzled after that.}}

I know, Paul— deja vu’ all over again, isn’t it? Some people certainly like to hide behind the “it’s socialized medicine” blanket and somehow that’s only good for a certain percentage of Americans to have but not the rest… and you’re right— their argument just fizzles.

Similar to my comment yesterday about Medicare being like “socialized medicine” only it’s for our parents so that makes it OK…

By Philly

October 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Its amazing that this country lets uncultured, uneducated, unintellectual, right-wing brainwashed Southern rednecks vote in elections. You had your way in 2000 and 2004 and look where we are now as a nation. Those of us here in the North should have let you losers cecede in the 1860’s and the real United States would be a better place. Thats right - the real United States. The part of the United States that has always been true to the union, the birthplace of liberty and the American Revolution.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

GFY (good for you duh) like I can believe anything you spew.

Most of your ilk that have money collect it anyway.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, Question for you… If Soros is so concerned about helping poor people, why doesn’t he use his money to do that vs. using his money to fund organiziations whose purpose is to further the agenda of the radical left wing of america? How is that helping poor people? How has Moveon.org helped any poor people? Do they operate soup kitchens, night shelters, job training programs or what?

Compare what Bill Gates is doing with his vast wealth to help people vs. what Soros is doing. When comparing the actions of the two(not the words), one would appear to be genuine in his desire to help poor people and one would appear to have an agenda completely off line from his words. Making any connection between the work of Moveon.org and helping poor people is so far a stretch even a left wing nut job couldn’t tie the two together.

As for oil companies, they’re only loyalty is to their stock holders. If you have any money in the market, stocks, 401K, etc., you likely have some and are therefore a beneficiary of their wealth. Yes their CEO’s make obscene million, but most of that is in stock plans. If the stock dies, so do the millions. I wouldn’t trade places with any of those CEO’s for all their money. I actully like going home at 5:00 and seeing my family. Walk a year in their shoes before you throw that first stone.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

{{but just last month I showed the whole blog New Testament scripture that strictly forbid homosexuality.}}

DUHHH— check out IntheNews’ link @ 1:00 and you’ll see some of your religious fanatic brothers using LEVITICUS as their mantra… apparently the New Testament is not hateful enough for their purposes.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Way to go Paul,

You found one.

McCain’s does nothing but says he will control costs.

Weak.

Take a look and compare to hers, it is no contest.

She is unstoppable.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Goldie

[[Medicare being like “socialized medicine” only it’s for our parents so that makes it OK…]]

I’m gonna file that one away…

By mm

October 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Duh,

Suppose we privatize Social Security like the far-right wants. This would be like a 401k I assume. That puts the responsibility of investment control on each individual, unless they of course hire a person or firm to manage the account (for a fee of course).

This at first sounds like a great idea. But the devil is in the details, so lets take a look.

A large percentage of the population is, to be PC, not very smart (uneducated, no common sense). The majority of our poor fall into this category (some are lazy, yes).

SS is a mandatory deduction, so that protects the not very smart.

So, tell us, O’ Fountain of Knowledge, how this would work. Please provide the details of how this system would work so that nobody ever lost their money through bad investments or being ripped off.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

getalife

Point of clarification: the “Bush Lite” thing: I think Hillary’s a bit more of a pragmatist than many think. Lifting items like that may bring Rep support.

On foreign affairs: heard a guy last night say if Ahmadinejad and his cohorts have any sense, if Hillary gets elected they should duck.

Something about her reminds me of Nixon - what you see isn’t necessarily what you get -

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Paul, What do you mean by sad? I (think I) agree - nobody chooses to be poor, and calling them losers just for not making money is to me, just showing your ignorance of the real situation. It’s really easy to sit around and call somebody a loser when you weren’t born into that situation.

I like that song lyric by Everclear:

“They have never had the joy of a welfare christmas”

Yeah, those welfare christmas’ are GREAT! The other Bosch could tell you about those.

By Midori

October 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Hey Crusty:

{{{{hic}}}}}

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie, “apparently the New Testament is not hateful enough for their purposes”

and I’m filing that one away if that’s okay.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You will get another Clinton Presidency with peace and properity.

Back to the good ole days.

By bboy

October 17, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Mad as zell; would your first name be Mark, you sound just like the idiot my daughter dates. This blog is so full of bull sh!?, the devil says welcome to hell, what is your shoe size, do you have your own panties, did you eat your pig guts,do you know who your papa is, wheres your momma, you don’t have a nose picking problem do you?. Are you stupid enough to vote of Senthy McKeney, sh** man i’m screwed and confused, like this babble blog,….

By Paul

October 17, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Bosch

By “sad” I meant a lifestyle on the edge of poverty. What’s sad too are the number of working poor. Remember, graduate from school, get a job, work hard, have a good life?

The other day I mentioned my neighbor in southern Cal - gunny sergeant, wife worked in an assembly factory - owned their own house. The girl who was class valedictorian - her dad was the high school janitor and lived in the same middle class neighborhoods.

Now - no way can people with those backgrounds have that lifestyle. Get out of high school, get a job - and live at the margins. I don’t agree with Hillary’s “we’re going to take stuff from you and give it to others” philosophy, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think there aren’t other options.

By bboy

October 17, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Did you AH’s know you are running out of water. So run down and pi$$ in the creek.

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

You know Midori, sometimes your a little bit creepy :-) but that’s okay.

By Buy Danish

October 17, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You can’t seriously be comparing the health insurance that someone in the military gets, which is a job incentive and benefit, to socialized medicine.

That is a totally false analogy.

Goldie,

I agree that BOR was off base when he denied that that kid could have had Stockholm Syndrome. I disagree with a lot of what BOR says, but it’s still an interesting program to watch.

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Obama a distant cousin to Cheney, Bush

DOUBLE ICK

By Midori

October 17, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Outside of our resident wingnuts, meet the last of the Bush supporters

By Paul

October 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Taking the military subpopulation and treating it as a separate population:

All members receive the same benefit. Income level, position within the company are irrelevant. So is marriage status or number of kids. All have access to the same doctors, same medicines, same facilities.

The big difference is, someone(s) outside of the population are paying the costs.

Sometime I’m going to have to look up the military plus dependent population, then divide by the military healthcare appropriation to get the cost per person - then apply that to the entire population. Adding in the Medicare/Medicaid costs, of course. And I’ll do it only if Halloween isn’t scary enough.

So yes, while it is a job benefit, in form it has the characteristics of a socialized medical system.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

{{Remember, graduate from school, get a job, work hard, have a good life?}}

Paul and Bosch— it’s sad to me that some of us did graduate from college with our IT degrees, only to see our programming and other high tech positions outsourced to Bangladesh! It’s not just the manufacturing sector who’s hurting in the job market these days…

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Lawrenceville to reopen old wells due to drought Some must be cleaned first

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!!!!!

{{{Some of Lawrenceville’s other wells are contaminated with radiation, however. Three other wells have radium contamination. One contains uranium.}}}}}

By rushncap

October 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Paul — all I’m saying is that there is a difference between non-profit organizations and for-profit corporations when it comes to political contributions.

GB — I will answer your questions as soon as you explain to me why you feel that giving to a soup kitchen is a more valuable expenditure of resources than trying to make sure we don’t have political leadership that lays waste to this country and others. Once you do that, you’ll have my answer.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Try to examine for just a second what socialized medicine does to supply and demand.

What happens when you suddenly have an unlimited demand, a limited supply, and government price controls?

Disaster?

Paul,

Interesting take on the contribution vs. bribe. You could make a case that every contribution is a bribe in the mind of the donor, the recipient or both, but I think my full disclosure and transparency works especially with the 90 day freeze. If candidate Y is getting huge contributions from “Big Yo-Yo” then people that don’t want their government influenced by “Big Yo-Yo” would have plenty of time to point it out to the voters.

It’s certainly better than the present method of bundled and phony donations from “Big Hsu Store” although I love it that these people that never really donated are getting “refunds” from Hillary. She sent it back with a note saying the campaign would happily take the money back directly from them. These people were such big supporters that she’s gotten back about $34,000. of the $800,000. sent out.

Anyway, the way I understand the current method you have to raise a certain amount from the public at large to qualify for public funding of your campaign. In theory this keeps people with no support out of the process. If you go to 100% public funding do you now send them out groveling for signatures instead of money?

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

“Did you AH’s know you are running out of water. So run down and pi$$ in the creek. ”

I’m filing that one away too.

Paul,

Maybe I’m suffering from Say It Ain’t So’s niece’s problem, but I’m still not following you, maybe you need to explain this to me in more simple terms: maybe I am just a dumba$$ after all! OH my GOD!

What lifestyle are you talking about? A good one? I think it is possible for some with a high school education to have a good life, I certainly do not want that for my kids, because going to college, for me, was a lot more than just trying to get a better job, I think you just have to really think and realize just what it is that makes you happy, and what you consider to be rich or poor.

The thing is, it’s tough, I feel blessed, and I am a happy person. I am by no stretch of the imagination rich, you can be a happy person with nothing.

I think about all the old people I’ve heard something along the lines of “We were poor, but we didn’t know it.” Sometimes I think that’s what my kids will look back and say.

Living in a bad situation, is sad, poor, middle class, or rich, and that to me is sad.

By Jesus

October 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

I knew I remembered that name from somewhere. Isn’t he the GOP Rep. turned Senator caught with his telephone number in a DC hooker’s little black book? That after banging some new Orleans wh0re for years whilst parading around as some godly married man.

But it look likes he’s found Jesus yet again.

{Louisiana Senator David Vitter is asking for funds in a spending bill to go towards anti-evolution science curriculum. In the FY 2008 Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education and Related Agencies appropriations bill, Vitter has asked for this money to go to the Louisiana Family Forum to “improve” science education. In fact, the funds would go to promoting the teaching of creationism in science classes. The Louisiana Family Forum’s mission is to “persuasively present biblical principles in centers of influence,” and has already played a leading role in “science” curriculum policies that have “opened the door to biblically inspired teachings in science class.”}

Unless, I’m missing something here, isn’t is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to fund the teaching of religion in public science classes? And isn’t public education suppose to provide students with the strongest science education possible, not theology/mythology in sheep’s clothing?

Please call and/or send an email to your Senator and ask him or her to remove language that would fund the Louisiana Family Forum from the Improvement of Education, Title III Fund.

By Buy Danish

October 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,

It is a benefit paid by taxpayers because their employer is the U.S. Government.

If your employer is a corporation that provides health benefits your benefits are equal too, regardless of job title or income. You probably have a choice of what plan to go with, and you have to pay more if you are married, but you pay the same whether you have 1 kid or 6. (I happen to think that is unfair and you should have to pay more for each additional kid, but I digress).

If I am forced into Hillary Care that will happen even though I am not an employee of the government.

By Midori

October 17, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

as long as I’m not a whole lotta creepy, aka the wingnut brigade.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

A day in the life of an American conservative:

I awoke today in my house which I was pleased to find had not been burglarized due, in part, to the existence of the City Police Department. I relieved myself and flushed the toilet which I imagine is connected to a public sewer system. I then rolled my garbage out to the street which was picked up by the City garbage collectors. On the way back I noticed that there was some mail that I had forgotten to get in my federally protected mail receptacle, no doubt placed there by a federal employee.

I then went inside and had a breakfast of FDA approved bacon and eggs and milk while I read watched the news being broadcast over FCC regulated airwaves. After breakfast I showered with water provided by the city water works.

I then got in my car and put on my seat belt that is a federally required item in all vehicles and drove down streets which are paved and maintained by the city. I went by and saw my mother who is in retirement home that is paid for by her Medicare coverage.

Afterwards, I had to go to Federal Court as I had been selected as a member of the Grand Jury. The prosecutors presented numerous FBI, ATF, and DEA agents who testified about a variety of criminals and the crimes that they committed.

Afterward, I was driving home and caught Rush on his FCC regulated radio show. He was on one of those rants about the government that I love. He said: “what has Government ever done for people?”

After thinking about it for a moment I said to myself: “Not a thing. Not one damn thing.”

And that is why I am a conservative. I don’t need government for anything. As you can see I am very self-sufficient.

RWNJIFG

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Danish-donut @ 4:13 — I believe that may be the first time you haven’t slung shi-ite at me for having posted an opinion… should I be offended?

:>)

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

{{Try to examine for just a second what socialized medicine does to supply and demand.}

And how about examining just for a second what happens if we just stand by and DO NOTHING like the Repugs always want to do? Examining just for a second what not even trying to make changes to ANYTHING, for fear of some kind of imperfect situation that MIGHT OCCUR, and fearing that we won’t EVER be able to think of improvements to be made again???

Your answer is apparently to just sit by and let everything just keep going down in a spiral, all because of FEAR…

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Midori, Oh no no no, not THAT creepy. You are witty, funny creepy.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

{{Afterward, I was driving home and caught Rush on his FCC regulated radio show. He was on one of those rants about the government that I love. He said: “what has Government ever done for people?”}}

Nut Job— I love you, man!

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm October 17, 2007 3:53 PM So, tell us, O’ Fountain of Knowledge, how this would work. Please provide the details of how this system would work so that nobody ever lost their money through bad investments or being ripped off.}}}}

M is for Moron: #1, the official level of poverty for a two person household is $13,690, so your Blessed government is starting off retirees at below the poverty level with $13,000 a year.

That is the “rip-off” and ignorant people like you are dooming millions to a life of despair by coaxing them into governmental slavery.

I, on the other hand, try to get people to change their attitudes, spending your day mumbling about Haliburton is not harming them at all, it harms you.

Get a job with Haliburton, dumbas-s.

It’s all about your outlook in life, are you a paranoid dimwit that needs to be sheltered by your beloved government, if so, then enjoy that nice housing project during your golden years.

Or you could quit whining and become something and make your own way in life, duh.

Educate yourself, commit yourself to excellence, strive to achieve the next step up in life, always think of the future and save what you can for it.

Or surrender to government sanctioned poverty. And whine about it.

It is impossible to ever escape the clutches of poverty once you give in to Shrillary and all the other socialists, they can’t pay the benefits we owe now, how will they ever increase yours?

Now, to answer your question, even the most sorry stocks and investments, the ones that RE usually picks, earn at least 7.5% every year and have since Ronald “God Bless His Soul” Reagan took office, while Social Security earns nothing, mostly because our corrupt politicians are using it to fund their pet projects and fallacies.

Plus, privatizing means that it is yours, a nest egg that you can do with as you see fit.

Any questions?

By IN THE NEWS

October 17, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Bush’s False Claims About Children’s Health Insurance

Some intertesting numbers

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Midori @ 4:23 — “Morans!” ROFL!

Perfect description of the 29%-ers.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

{{I, on the other hand, try to get people to change their attitudes,}}

DUHHHH— I do believe you’re a miserable failure here, if think your style of comments is changing “attitudes”.

By Cataclysm

October 17, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

RWNJIGF is an absolute jacka$$! If you people want to see stupidity at its finest, read the germ’s post at 4:35.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks @ 4:42,

Kind of like when the Republicans wanted to try to fix Social Security and the Democrats said OH NO, NO NEED TO FIX THAT.

As for health care in this country, it’s more screwed because of government involvement already than you can even imagine. Why would the answer be to let them take it over completely?

How about we get their insurance regulations out of the way that force us to pay for 90 zillion things we don’t want or need and open up the insurance industry to real competition across state lines.

Have you been to a Family Practice doctor’s office lately? They are slam full of people with their government health card being checked for the sniffles. <————-that’s that supply/demand thing I mentioned.

Does your car insurance pay for your oil changes?

By the way, if you’re a big time computer programmer why don’t you develop some software instead of whining about the job you claim was yours that went overseas.

IT people in the 1990’s had to be some of the dumbest people on earth. The whole decade you were making the product easier to use, setting up everything to be plug and play, and the whole time training the people in India etc. to offer product support and somehow you never saw this coming?

By getalife

October 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Trust the gop?

Only the dumbas-s wingnuts.

Keep their greedy, stealing hands off of Social Security.

By Midori

October 17, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Someone sent me a cute email that RW the original Rabid Wingnut might enjoy:

DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT

Wanda’s dishwasher quit working so she called a repairman. Since she had to go to work the next day, she told the repairman, “I’ll leave the key under the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter, and I’ll mail you a check .”

“Oh, by the way don’t worry about my dog Spike. He won’t bother you. But, whatever you do, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, talk to my parrot!” “I REPEAT; DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT!!!”

When the repairman arrived at Wanda’s apartment the following day, he discovered the biggest, meanest looking dog he has ever seen. But, just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet watching the repairman go about his work.

The parrot, however, drove him nuts the whole time with his incessant yelling, cursing and name calling . Finally the repairman couldn’t contain himself any longer and yelled,

“Shut up, you stupid, ugly bird!”

To which the parrot replied, “Get him, Spike!”

See - wingnuts just don’t listen!

By Paul

October 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie 4:25

Remember the old “they came for the Jews, I was silent, they came for the communists, the artists, I was silent, then they came for me and there was no one left to help”?

rushncap 4:30

Thanks. It is interesting how, with well-funded not for profit political organizations, there are some striking similarities in the goals as with for-profit: make the political contribution, get what one wants – either a candidate, a policy or some other type of support.

RW- (the original) 4:31

I laughed and laughed when I read that post – thanks!

It’s probably a lot like the health care debate – the current system has many flaws, many want change but hold out for an extreme change (as I proposed – zero chance) and the result will be somewhere in the middle.

I have the same understanding about qualifying – and I think much is the result of the two-party system wanting to keep it a two-party system. Talk about lobbyists writing bills… Maybe groveling for signatures is better than groveling for dollars? One person: one signature. One person/business/interest group: one dollar? You may be on to something here.

Bosch 4:32

Our conversation was floating around too much. The initial “sad” was the lifestyle of people on public assistance. Then it went to the working poor – hence the comments about used to be, high school degree and jobs could support a middle class lifestyle. Oh – and the janitor – he was the sole breadwinner. Then I went on to lifestyles now with a high school education – and I should emphasize, absent any other formal or program training. I don’t think the lifestyle now for that is the same as 40 years ago.

I’ve a son, didn’t finish college, but is doing smashingly well in his profession. He works his backside off but has skills in high demand, he’s honest and treats people decently. But I was speaking of the broad brush, there.

I see Jesus followed your comments about wealth and happiness. He seems to be a bit off message, though.

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

AmVet, Another of my pet peeves; Teaching faith versus reason in any science class.

It’s not illegal to teach religion in school. History would be a good place for it.

It is illegal to advocate creationism/intelligent design in school because it is Christian. It marginalizes the students of other/no faith. Same with prayer.

Here’s a link to someone who made the argument very clearly.

Note who was caught perjuring themselves.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

{{{{The parrot, however, drove him nuts the whole time with his incessant yelling, cursing and name calling }}}}}

Yep, that’s our Midori!

By getalife

October 17, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Trust the gop?

They don’t support my lifestyle.

Same sex marriages never hurt anyone.

Geez.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Bwa, good one Midori.

They will be squawking big time with the Clintons back in the WH.

Good times.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 4:32

Military are government employees. Costs are paid for by citizens. As you pointed out, corporations, etc are private. And the programs vary from nil to generous.

Yes there are similarities. But I was making the point to the guy of being a recipient of government-provided health care (facilities, doctors, equipment, etc all being government-owned) for himself and his family. He really didn’t want to address even that concept.

So I was emphasizing more who owned the resources and who is able to make use of the resources.

Your are correct about the compulsion aspect. What’s that saying – a government that has the power to give you everything has the power to take everything? RW’s comment about unlimited demand, limited resources? That’s in a nutshell why I don’t like the Michael Moore approach. And why the “if it’s good enough for the military it’s good enough for the nation” argument doesn’t fly. But the guy wasn’t quick enough to see that.

RWNJIFG

So the gov’t can’t do anything well, but we have the finest military in the world? There’s a disconnect there, somewhere.

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

RW,
The President wanted, or maybe still wants, to privatize Social Security. I do believe that was not the fix we were looking for.

Maybe we should all be more like you, except RB who’ll need it, and just say no to the payments. Don’t cash those checks.

Who’s with Me and RW! Yea!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

A day in the life of an American conservative once we have our way:

I awoke in the lean-to that I built last night for me and my family. After being chased by armed thugs who wanted to rape my wife and daughter, again, I hope I’ve found a safe spot for a little while. The first order of business is to find a tree for relief. Next I’ve got to go find a squirrel or a rabbit to shoot so that we can eat breakfast. After an hour or so I came back with 4 squirrels for the 6 of us. A feast!!! I build a fire and cook the squirrel meat.

My son isn’t hungry. He isn’t gonna make it. Apparently he ate some bad dear meat that I had killed and he’s been puking ever since. Won’t even drink water. But I don’t have the money for a doctor so I guess we’ll get what we deserve.

My daughter is real hungry as she is pregnant again. We think the father was one of the rapists, but who knows? I really can’t afford another child but with condoms and abortion outlawed these things are bound to happen.

The kids spend their time playing in the woods. No school of course. Private school costs a lot of money. Meanwhile, I go to my job at the coal mine. There aren’t any unions so pay is 50 cents a day without benefits. I have a very bad cut on my leg that I think is infected, but I don’t dare let anyone know as they will just fire me and replace me with someone in better health. Besides I need that bowl of soup that they have at the company store which happens to cost 50 cents. It isn’t much but if you throw in some protein, like worms or grubs it seems to go a long way. Oh and I forgot, I have to blow the foreman once a week just to keep the job as there isn’t any law against sexual harrassment and even if there were, who’d enforce it?

On the way home I watched on a public video screen a story on the Government run TV news show called Fox News. They were reporting on our ongoing war with the Swiss. Those b******* with their chocolate and watches!!! I do hate them. Apparently we are doing well and keeping the nation safe from Cocoa-Facism.

When I get back to the lean to, I kiss my wife on the head, hand her the company soup and say “Ain’t it great to be free?”

RWNJIFG

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

In spite of one of his numerous broken campaign promises to actually reduce the size of the Federal government, it is an incontrovertible fact that there was an explosion in the size of the federal government under Mr. Reagan’s reign.

Even so, for the benefit of the poster who apparently believes that the stock market’s historical success began with the “trickle down theory” here is the relevant data.

The average rate of return on investment in large cap stocks has been 11.7% per year (12.6% for small caps) since 1926.

And if memory serves correctly, that slightly predates Ronnie’s time in the West Wing.

By Cataclysm

October 17, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You can’t talk sense to hyenas like RWNJIFG. You may not care, but I think that lunatic Doom was right. Nut Job is also RE, and sometines attacks you without you knowing it.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 17, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

I am in the heavy duty truck dealership business and truck sales have SLOWED DOWN alot the last few months. Both individuals, companies and the big fleets have stopped buying the big rigs.

In the past when this has happened the economy as a whole slows down so watch out folks, a downturn could be on the horizon.

How is business at your companies???

By getalife

October 17, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

John in Tampa Fl,

I work at a clinic where we treat heterosexuals who are struggling with their sexuality.

The best teacher is the one whose been thorough it all, no matter the economy.

Business is booming.

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit,

The President’s plan was to privatize a tiny portion and index the accounts.

Of course it wasn’t THE fix because Social Security is nothing but a bankrupt ponzi scheme that a private investment company would get thrown under the jail for if they tried to sell it. So THE fix is to phase it out completely. Hillary’s 401K thing isn’t horrible although I’ve got a little trouble with a government match, but why doesn’t it phase out SS?

As for the second paragraph, I do agree that more people should be like me. Thanks! However I cash checks when my customers send them, so I’m not sure what you mean by that. Surely we’re not bypassing socialism and going straight to communism are we?

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

{{Kind of like when the Republicans wanted to try to fix Social Security and the Democrats said OH NO, NO NEED TO FIX THAT.}}

RW— you may recall that the answer to the “Social Security problem” would easily be resolved if you actually taxed the income over $90K, which is not being done right now, and those Americans are still collecting their benefits and have not paid their full share to begin with.

And thanks so much for your concern about my “stupid IT job”, which I’ve gone on to do other things for myself since then, and it has not a thing to do with programming. But your concern is very touching. I’m sure that there are many, many Americans who appreciate your snobbish comments about having those “IT jobs” that you see no use for. What a fat snob you are!

By Bosch

October 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Paul, Yes, I agree. I got confused myself.

I think the word “poverty” brings up images of things being bad, while “poor” doesn’t seem to be quiet so bad, I hope that makes sense.

Have a great evening!

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Bandit,

I once took a class in college called “The Bible as Literature”, or some such thing.

And though I had a strong Christian experience earlier in life and had read the Bible extensively, this was when I was older and had dropped Christian dogma as a basis for living my life.

And the class was great! Rereading many of those stories, especially the Psalms, was very enjoyable, especially in light of the non-dogma aspects of it for me at that point in my life.

I am all for allowing exposure of young, or not so young, minds to the various philosophies and religions of the world. I also took a fantastic course on Greek and Roman mythology that reminded me a great deal of the Christian mythologies. But absolutely NOT disguised as science or verifiable truths.

One other thing, those rates of return that I mentioned earlier, are before taking into account tax due and inflation.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Cataclysm

Not care?

Today I was annointed with the honorific “liberal.” So I do care. Lots.

And if tomorrow I’m annointed a “conservative” I’ll still care. Just the proper amount.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Ronald Reagan said: “Government isn’t the solution, Government is the problem.” It seems to me that the country should take a market approach to its military. We can have a bidding process. Different companies could lobby politicians and the most ‘qualified’ would get the job. And I’d bet that a private company could do it cheaper and more efficient than a vast beauracracy like the Pentagon. Further, you wouldn’t have retired Generals blasting the President’s policies. The employees of the company would do what they were told and could be held to an enforceable non-disclosure contract. If they didn’t like what they were asked to do they could leave. I would imagine that such issues could be costed into a project. For example, the President could place an order to kill all the kids in an orphanage in Chile. (Don’t worry we’d never know why or that it even happened. No need for public interference with our security.) The CEO of the company would put only his most dedicated people on it but would probably expect a 20% turnover rate for those w/o balls.

Further, the employees would be voluntary so they would be motivated to kill, not for some abstract principle, ideal or symbol, but for money. As we know cash is what makes the world go round. I could see bonuses being paid for kills. Since women and kids are actually tougher for many to kill, they would be worth more so that it would even out.

I think that this is very consistent with the world view of the modern conservative and should be implemented as soon as possible. I’m getting real tired of these former soldiers complaining. Under my plan we’d be relieved of that non-sense too.

RWNJIFG

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

RW,
I never understood the details of the privatization plan, I was just against because it was not a liberal’s idea.

I don’t mind phasing out SS, but some people actually depend on it. It was supposed to be a safety net for those less fortunate, not a retirement plan. What can we do for those folks?

As far as the checks go it sounds like you are practicing sound cash management. Cash the check first, ask questions later. I just meant that if you or I or anyone else who’s with us (Yea!) gets one of those Social Security checks in the mail, we should just throw it away. Okay, recycle it, after first shredding it (to protect our privacy).

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

IT isn’t far from my field either, but remember what Luckoduh said up ^^^ there about always keeping your eye on the future? You’ve got to watch for that and Stevie Wonder could have seen the IT job shifting coming on.

If someone pays Social Security taxes up to about $90,000. that is roughly the same amount being taken away from them that they will, many years later, get back with no interest. If someone is making $45,000. a year they’re paying roughly $6,500. a year to later collect $13,000. Who is it that’s not paying their fair share again?

By Cataclysm

October 17, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Please don’t respond to that loser RWNJIFG. We must take a stand against the cowards on this blog. That insect doesn’t have the guts to say what’s on its mind unless its doubling IDs.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

The gop hates me because I’m a homosexual. Bwa.

I’ll never vote for them.

Clintons in ‘08!

By Beltway Bandit

October 17, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I gotta go. Once again, it has been a pleasure.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

rushncap, Giving to a soup kitchen directly impacts people. Your earlier comment said ” he feels like his vast wealth should be used for good of all people”. What poeple is that? I don’t want his help. I’d prefer he used his vast wealth on something more usefull to society than “General Betrayus” ads. When you can make some sort of twisted equivalent to the good being done with Bill Gate’s wealth and that “General Betrayus” ad from Soro’s wealth, I’ll listen to you. There is no comparison.

You left wingers just don’t seem to understand you are frogs in slowly warming water. Your “government will take care of you cradle to grave” leadership will never invite you to live in their 25K sq ft mansions. You are simply pawns being used to keep them in power and you aren’t smart enough to realize it. They’re buying your votes by promising you stuff at the expense of the evil rich people.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 17, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

rushncap, Giving to a soup kitchen directly impacts people. Your earlier comment said ” he feels like his vast wealth should be used for good of all people”. What poeple is that? I don’t want his help. I’d prefer he used his vast wealth on something more usefull to society than “General Betrayus” ads. When you can make some sort of twisted equivalent to the good being done with Bill Gate’s wealth and that “General Betrayus” ad from Soro’s wealth, I’ll listen to you. There is no comparison.

You left wingers just don’t seem to understand you are frogs in slowly warming water. Your “government will take care of you cradle to grave” leadership will never invite you to live in their 25K sq ft mansions. You are simply pawns being used to keep them in power and you aren’t smart enough to realize it. They’re buying your votes by promising you stuff at the expense of the evil rich people.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Cataclysm 5:39

While I appreciate your suggestion, I prefer to engage ideas. It’s the idea, not the source, upon which I focus.

Besides which, some straight lines are just too good to pass up -

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Midori doubles as a burglar alarm

and here we thought she was worthless.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Cataclysm,

I have the guts to say what’s on my mind and I do it regularly. I am also very consistent in my logic.

What is cowardly are you so-called conservatives who either don’t have the intellectual courage to agree with me or the intellectual ability to describe why what is on my mind is inconsistent with conservativism.

You want to spout your little anti-liberalism tag lines that you are fed from talk radio, but you aren’t willing to get to the real heart of the issue. Nor do you explore the import of the philosphy to which you supposedly subscribe. Now I realize that for people like me to keep and maintain power that we have to keep unthinking lemmings like you in the fold, at least until we dismantle majority rule, but at some point you have to really look at the logical end of our philosophy. That is what I do. I show you what conservativism really is and you run from it. You are the coward and you are probably gay, but not in the keep-it-from-your-wife-and-only-do- it-with-strangers-in-a-bathroom-kind-of-way.

RWNJIFG

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

How can you tell which airline passenger is the gay terrorist? He’s the one light’n the loafers.

The Armenians are swarthy people. Instead of being labeled genocidal monsters, the Turks should get a nobel prize for their work against global swarthing.

God I’m good. I mean, wow.

By A Lil Help

October 17, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Cliff Dunaway,

You can make the images bigger yourself without much of a problem. Just right-click the image & select “Properties”. Copy the url of the image & paste it in the address bar of your browser.

If you are using FireFox, just drag & drop the image to the address bar on Firefox.

If you are using a Mac, just hold-click on the image to get the context menu & select properties.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet October 17, 2007 5:20 PM The average rate of return on investment in large cap stocks has been 11.7% per year (12.6% for small caps) since 1926. And if memory serves correctly, that slightly predates Ronnie’s time in the West Wing.}}}}

Does anyone else think that DimVet should stick to things he knows about, like hating on his Creator?:

Dow Jones - Monthly Bar Chart - Semi-log Scale - 1974-2007.

Check out the flat line before Reagan took office and Mr. Tax Malaise Government Socialist Wear Your Sweater was working his financial wizardry.

By mm

October 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Duh,

I knew I could count on a 3rd grade education response to my question about privatizing SS. Stocks are a gamble. Please try again.

By the way, I could buy and sell your sorry @ss. How many millions are you worth Duh? Oops, I forgot, you only have a 3rd grade education. But that probably puts you at the top of the heap of the wingnut scum that populates this blog.

By @@

October 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

If I’m forced to keep an eye on Putin, the least he could do is attend his meetings nekkid from the waist up. From Stratfor:

(((Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will be meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Oct. 18, just two days after Putin made a very public display of support for Iran during his trip to Tehran. Olmert’s discussion with Putin will center on a proposal Putin allegedly made to Iran to scale back its nuclear program. This deal was likely the price Putin set in exchange for defending Iran against a U.S. attack.)))

(((Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council Ali Larijani said Oct. 17 that Putin had a “special view” about the Iranian nuclear program, and that Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was studying a proposal on the nuclear program that Putin had personally presented to him. Larijani went on to say that this coveted proposal would be made public “at an appropriate time.” This prompts the question: What exactly did Putin offer the Iranians?)))

I rather like it when Jesus stops by regardless of his message. No need for “interpretation” of his scripture. It’s always a “Hail Mary”.

By RB's alter-ego

October 17, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

You right wingers just don’t seem to understand you are icebergs in a globally warmed environment. Your “government of the corporations by the corporations and for the corporations” will never invite you to the penthouse or live in their 50K sq ft mansions. You are simply pawns being used to keep them in power and you aren’t smart enough to realize it. They’re buying your government by promising you stuff at the expense of the stupid poor people.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Light’n the loafers!!!

Bwa

Global Swarthing!!!

double bwa

By Paul

October 17, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

@@

Hard currency, influence and annoying America aside, hasn’t Putin had a few minor problems with Islamists? Maybe he’s not worried, some years down the road, about a nuke handoff? Or maybe he still subscribes to the doctrine of the Cold War - massive retaliation? As in “one hit on us and we’ll turn your country into a sea of glass.”

I still think Jesus and his message is really Hay-sus, newly minted migrant member of the Democratic Party.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Score one for McCain

Is the straight talk express back?

Good for him.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Whether it’s Jesus or Hay-sus, he’s been here since day 1 and you can’t beat his consistency, but time is running out on his message.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Running out? When has reality ever been an impediment to some of the messages?

By @@

October 17, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Damn Paul, quit sticking your neck out like that

(((Hay-sus, newly minted migrant member of the Democratic Party.)))

Putin has had some problems with Islamists of the Chechnyan variety. Hell, everybody is having problems with Islamists of the extreme variety.

The last paragraph from the article

(((Whether a potential deal over the nuclear issue is actually implemented is another question, however. Russia and Iran have plenty of reason right now to work together and talk up a deal, but their opportunistic relationship is still marked with deep distrust. In any case, Putin’s nuclear proposal likely has Olmert intrigued, to say the least, and will be the highlight of their discussions in Moscow.)))

Putin has, most definitely been able to maneuver unchecked. Who is this man? What does he want? I don’t think he’s a Kruschev.

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Andy of many names, the name is AmVet as in AMERICAN Veteran.

You can slime me as much as you want but please don’t slime AMERICA.

I neither hate nor love your god. But I imagine that it brings you great pleasure in thinking that I’ll suffer the torments of hell for all eternity as an unbeliever.

But the fact is, I certainly don’t consider it (your god) a remotely significant part of my human experience. As I’ve said before whether it exists or not is totally irrelevant to me.

And unlike you, I don’t continue to engage in obvious verbal hatred for other people on a silly blog every day of my life. And spin it how you will, you clearly do have a lot of animosity for others here. Anyone, with a shred of honesty who reads your words would agree that that is undeniable.

Need I remind everyone here how you, and you alone, were once banned for your frequent ultra-venomous personal attacks here?

Heal yourself and forget about me.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

If the new AG turns over “crown jewel” documents, it will be a slam dunk.

If he really wants to support the Constitution like he claims, he should.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Putin wants Iran’s oil.

Geez.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

@@

Who is he? Former head of the (former) KGB’s a good clue. Ruthless comes to mind. He and Ahmadinejad may have a lot in common - dreams of past glory and all that.

Olmert to Putin: “So, what’ll ya take for the locations, designs, and shelter materials for the Iranian nuke facilities? Oh, and will you toss in a couple of those monster fuel-air explosives, too?”

Putin: “Do ya think you could divert some of that US foreign aid…?”

Olmert: “Deal.”

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Paul,

More news from Big Hsu Store

It turns out lots of those same people that apparently didn’t really want to contribute to Hillary had also contributed to her Senate campaign. So far she’s hanging tough on not giving that back because she doesn’t know whether they were recruited by Big Hsu Store.

Allahpundit asks an interesting question.

{{{{Exit question: If they’re unsure whether the Senate donors were solicited by Hsu, why don’t they call them up and ask them?}}}}}

By Buy Danish

October 17, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Wow. I just heard on Fox News that this bill the Pelosicrats are pushing which would rescind the necessary changes to the FISA act that were enacted last summer would do something FISA has never, ever required.

Namely, we would now need a warrant to monitor a phone call made from overseas to the United States.

Thank God George Bush is in the White House so he can veto this national security disaster if it ever lands on his desk.

I just wonder how the Dems think this helps their chances in winning the WH and holding Congress.

By @@

October 17, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Here’s some good news. Goes along with an article I just read at Stratfor. What happened to the summer attacks on America? A change in attitude.

Al Qaeda’s ideaology is broken and defeated.

The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders

Looks like the Pope got through with his message. It’s a beginning.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Geez, what is this, comedy hour?:

{{{{By mm October 17, 2007 6:13 PM By the way, I could buy and sell your sorry @ss. How many millions are you worth Duh?}}}}

Only if you inherited it.

And if that’s true, you may have been passed down money but they damn sure didn’t give you a brain.

{{{{By AmVet October 17, 2007 6:38 PM And unlike you, I don’t continue to engage in obvious verbal hatred for other people on a silly blog every day of my life.}}}}

Did he really say that?

Sweetheart, that is ALL that you do.

You are the most self sanctimonious moron that I have ever meant, a true windbag, a racist and a coward all rolled up in one, and if you served in the military it was as a target.

How’s that for a personal attack, numbnuts?

You think I’ll get “banned?”

By getalife

October 17, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Water infrastructure is crumbling like the bridges.

Lets invade and occupy Iran and waste another trillion.

Geez.

By Paul

October 17, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

The continuing mainstream media tracking of this event is bringing more to light every day on the reality of Hillary…

Thought you could use a chuckle.

getalife

It’s oil, oil, oil.

You could give BOR some credit - one of his interviews with Sen Kerry: “for 30 years none of you guys in Congress has done anything to get us off foreign oil and all the trouble it brings.”

Paraphrased, of course. But the essential’s there.

G’night, all.

By Buy Danish

October 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

You know, between what they’re trying to do with the FISA act, and now this, I’m starting to think that the Left really are on the side of Al Qaeda.

[Disbarred terror lawyer Lynne Stewart held court at Hofstra yesterday - unrepentant about the help she gave to a World Trade Center bombing conspirator./Stewart was convicted in 2005 of smuggling secret messages out of prison for Islamic terrorist Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman. Yesterday, she spoke at a panel discussion at the school’s Hempstead campus to a packed room of about 200 people.}(http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/terrorlawyersayssheddoit.htm)

This is the woman that Cindy Sheehan compared to Atticus Finch.

By Goldie

October 17, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

RW @ 5:38 — oh yeah, you and DUHHHH are both great “futurists”, is that it? That’s probably the best joke posted today in the blogosphere. DUHHH with his “Saviour on high” giving him talking points, and you with your stuck-in-the-mud attitude about change.

Don’tcha get kinda tired of munching mud all the time?

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

{{{{Sweetheart, that is ALL that you do.}}}}

Great point Luckoduh, I’ve never seen anything but long winded hatred from Huge Blowhard.

By @@

October 17, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

The Democrats would like nothing better than to get everyone’s mind off of Iraq. Lull us to sleep with their domestic policy. Again, from Stratfor:

(((Another change in attitude has been on the legal front. Prior to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there were no “terrorism” statutes concerning the use of weapons of mass destruction or acts of terrorism transcending national borders. Instead, prosecutors in terrorism cases struggled to apply existing laws. The defendants in the 1993 New York bomb plot case were not charged with conspiring to build bombs or commit acts of international terrorism. Rather, they were convicted on “seditious conspiracy” charges. Similarly, Salameh was convicted of violating the Special Agricultural Worker program and with damaging U.S. Secret Service cars stored in the basement of the World Trade Center building.)))

(((The U.S. security environment has indeed improved dramatically, largely as a result of the sweeping changes in attitude, though also to some extent due to the magnet effect of the war in Iraq. Success can engender complacency, however, and the lack of attacks could allow attitudes — and thus counterterrorism resources — to swing back toward the other end of the spectrum.)))

By Buy Danish

October 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

@@,

I’m not as swayed by that letter as you are. C.A.I.R. is promoting it, but it is based on a phony premise, namely that Christians and Muslims somehow share equal responsibility for what Islamists are doing.

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Though you are absolutely reviled by the neo-cons Mr. Luckovich, I again would like to thank you for this blog and for your great work, regarded around the country as some of the finest anywhere.

Yes, there will always be a tiny minority in this greatest of countries who wish redressing the government with grievances was treason, but the rest of the reasoned and reasonable nation knows how you continue to further the grand and uniquely American tradition of poking fun at our elected leaders.

If the far-right hate-mongers here lived in Communist China or in Teheran, they would finally understand I suppose, but at any rate keep up the good work!

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

I’ve outlined change this entire week.

There are actual words up ^^^ there above the top of your monitor. As an IT professional I’m sure in a day or two you can figure out how to see them.

For the other days you’ll have to go back a page and find other cartoons.

Just type “Ctrl f” type my name into the search box and read in wonderment all the change I’m proposing.

Either that or pour another glass of whine and come back tomorrow to rinse and repeat.

By AmVet

October 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

RW, @@, Dusty and BD.

Answer me one question and one question only.

Is the following statement factual or not?

You (Andy), and you alone, were once banned for your frequent ultra-venomous personal attacks here.

Hint: The answer is either yes or it is no.

As I expect no truthful responses this evening, I’ll ask again tomorrow.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

There is a third option and it’s the only honest answer I can give you. I don’t know.

By Luckoduh

October 17, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet October 17, 2007 7:09 PM You (Andy), and you alone, were once banned for your frequent ultra-venomous personal attacks here. Hint: The answer is either yes or it is no.}}}}

Yes, I was banned but now I am using my massive overwhelming mental ability to bypass the blog censor.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 17, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Can’t Bush do anything right?

As violence falls in Iraq, cemetery workers feel the pinch

By @@

October 17, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

(((Though you are absolutely reviled by the neo-cons Mr. Luckovich,)))

Please see my post at 8:29. It’s not the only time I’ve credited ml for a funny cartoon. Other conservatives have too.

Andy said he was banned at 7:24, I gotta believe he was banned

BUT HE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN!!!!

You kinda remind me of finch now AmVet. He used to come on here wanting us to take sides. It reminded me of a little kid who says “Who ‘ya gonna choose, him or me”?

Act your age buddy. Whining is unbecoming on an adult.

Buy Danish:

I can’t believe you don’t agree with me on the good news. I’m taking my ball and going home mad. You’re always so direct, it almost sounds mean and hateful./sarc/

I just skimmed the article. Somebody sent it to me in an e-mail. I didn’t see the CAIR connection. I’ll check it more closely.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: They couldn’t beat me up so they ran and made a law, typical coward liberals-

{{{{As CBS 2’s Mike Parker reports, the Chicago Park District is considering a smoking ban that would clear the air at every park, playground and beach in Chicago.}}}}

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{{{{Editorially in February 2001 the New York Times asserted that “the former president…seemed to make a redoubled effort in the last moments of his presidency to plunge further and further beneath the already low expectations of his most cynical critics and most of his world-weary friends.” And the newspaper lamented that it might “never understand the process by which a departing president and his wife come to put sofas and flatware ahead of the acute sense of propriety that ought to go with high office.” The New York Observer assessed Hillary’s election to the Senate “a terrible mistake,” adding that “Hillary Rodham Clinton is unfit for elective office.”}}}}

What’s even more amazing than Shrillary’s criminal career is the fact that the libs can’t wait to get this crook seated in the top position of power in the United States.

Considering the cover afforded by her apologists in the media, imagine the graft and felonies that will be committed.

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{{{{Along the way, he debunks some of the myths. Pace Al Gore it seems that of the 20 subpopulations of polar bear, one or possibly two are declining in numbers. But more than half are stable, and two are increasing. Actually, the world population of polar bears has mushroomed over the last several decades, from some 5,000 in the 1960s to about 25,000 today, due to stricter regulation of hunting. Those two declining subgroups live in regions where the temperatures have been —->dropping<—— over the last 50 years. The subgroups that have increased live in areas that have been getting —->warmer.<——}}}}

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

{{{{Col. Byron Jorns, the commander for the Corps’ Mobile district, wrote that “due to the severe nature and predicted duration of the continuing drought” the Corps has begun discussions with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which is responsible for protecting endangered species.}}}}

What could there possibly be to “discuss?”

Take care of the humans or the fishy’s?

Is it not obvious how stupid environmentalists have made this country?

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{{{{In a brief swing through metro Atlanta today, presidential candidate Fred Thompson might press the hot-button issue of illegal immigration in an attempt to separate Republicans in Georgia —- and throughout the South —- from GOP rivals Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.}}}}

In other words, do what is good for the future of America.

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{{{{The investigations, conducted by the bank’s anticorruption unit (INT), revealed stunning levels of fraud, extortion, bid-rigging, bribe-taking and what the bank euphemistically calls “misprocurement” in nearly every aspect of the examined projects. Yet far from acting decisively to recover its stolen assets, debar corrupt companies and penalize the government, the bank did what it could to return quickly to business as usual.}}}}

More corruption in Iraq?

Nope, it’s the World Bank in Cambodia.

The next time you hear about corruption in Iraq, just think is it worse the what thw World Bank or even the Clinton administration would do?

By Summation

October 18, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Neo-cons are full of $hit.

By Luckoduh

October 18, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Here’s your boy Sanchez for you:

{{{{The media. “It seems that as long as you get a front-page story there is little or no regard for the ‘collateral damage’ you will cause. Personal reputations have no value and you report with total impunity and are rarely held accountable for unethical conduct… . You assume that you are correct and on the moral high ground.” “The speculative and often uninformed initial reporting that characterizes our media appears to be rapidly becoming the standard of the industry.” “Tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats.” And: “The death knell of your ethics has been enabled by your parent organizations who have chosen to align themselves with political agendas. What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war.”}}}}

And for the libs who run their mouths with gleeful abandon:

{{{{Congress and politics. “Since 2003, the politics of war have been characterized by partisanship as the Republican and Democratic parties struggled for power in Washington… . National efforts to date have been corrupted by partisan politics that have prevented us from devising effective, executable, supportable solutions. These partisan struggles have led to political decisions that endangered the lives of our sons and daughters on the battlefield. The unmistakable message was that political power had greater priority than our national security objectives.”}}}}

And for a very fitting Grand Finale:

{{{{He says leaving Iraq is not an option, and he has no doubt about the threat: “As a nation we must recognize that the enemy we face is committed to destroying our way of life.”}}}}

Out of all of this^^, all that the pinko media extracts is that “there is no end in sight?”

Why did they hide the rest from us (See bullet paragraph one^^.)

Duh.

By Smear Police

October 18, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Luckoduh hates our troops.

See above.

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