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By Mike Luckovich | Friday, October 12, 2007, 09:56 PM

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By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

{{{{The Nobel guys as much as admitted they gave the prize to Jimmy Carter in 2002 just to stick a thumb in W’s eye. The prize has become a parody of itself. It should be of interest only to regular readers of the Nation, the New York Times, and other obscure leftist newsletters.}}}}

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{{{{This Nobel already has some fretting. As Damian Thompson wrote in the Daily Telegraph last week, “The former U.S. Vice-President has already taken over from Michael Moore as the most sanctimonious lardbutt Yank on the planet. Can you imagine what he’ll be like now that the Norwegian Nobel committee has given him the prize?”}}}}

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{{{{Expiring cuts. Can we expect to see the tax issue revived in the United States? Possibly. The Bush tax cuts are scheduled to expire in 2010, and the estate tax is scheduled to come back in full force in 2011, unless the Congress and president elected in 2008 take action. Democratic presidential candidates are calling for letting the tax cuts on high earners expire, and House Democrats last week beat back a proposal for a permanent repeal of the estate tax. So the issue may be squarely raised: If Democrats win, taxes on some voters (they will say a few, Republicans will say many) will go up. Democrats starting with Bill Clinton have been carrying high-income suburban counties because of their stands on cultural issues. But with those issues less prominent—you haven’t heard presidential candidates of either party talk much about them this year—taxes could go back into the spotlight.}}}}

By Mrs Godzilla

October 15, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Paging Dr. Frist!

Paging Dr. Frist!

Emergency! Emergency!

AND NOW FOR ANOTHER EPISODE OF NEOCON HOSPITAL

It’s Terry Shiavo! Oops, wrong kind of brain death.

It’s Michael J. Fox! Oops, wrong kind of Parkinsons.

It’s Rush Limbaugh! Oops, wrong kind of substance abuse.

It’s Anti-war vets! Oops, wrong kind of soldiers.

It’s injured vets! Oops, wrong kind of service.

It’s frozen blastocysts! Oops, wrong kind of use.

It’s GOP pedophiles! Oops, wrong kind of mental disorder.

It’s Graeme Frost! Oops, wrong kind of traumatic injury.

It’s the air, water and food hurting our kids! Oops, wrong kind of environment.

It’s George W. Bush! Oops, wrong kind of President.

THIS HAS BEEN A PRESENTATION OF THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Draft Gore 08!

By mountain man

October 15, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Mike hits the nail right on the head this time. The Repugs know in their hearts that they’re toast in the upcoming elections and that they have nothing of substance to offer the American people. In desperation they stoop to these smear campaigns to divert attention from the real issues, and in hopes of snaring votes from some of our simple minded.

It seems that you would either have to be simply stupid or have a personality defect to vote Repug in today’s world.

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

The ‘Good Germans’ Among Us

By Mitchell King

October 15, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

Mike, great idea for a cartoon for the AL/GA water war!!! Draw a baby in a full baby pool full of water crying his eyes out and a man with a limp dripping hose with the GA/AL border between them.

By Anonymous

October 15, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

I see Andy’s still sucking the juice from those sour grapes over Al Gore being recognized for making POSITIVE contributions to humanity (something he and Bush will never do, or understand).

Good cartoon, as usual. The GOP is spinning so hard they can’t even keep their lies consistent.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

In the News 8:15

Let me see if I understand your post. Many criticized Pres Bush for not doing more before 9/11 to protect the country - nine months into office (I’ve already noted the striking parallels between reaction to Pres Bush/9/11 and Pres Clinton/1993/WTC just after taking office - deaths notwithstanding, it was still an attack on America by Jihadists). So now we find out he was trying to intercept al Qaeda communications before 9/11 and people complain?

I still don’t understand your references to “domestic, warrantless wiretaps” when discussing international calls routed through American-based servers. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

In the News 8:21

Rejects the notion of permanent US bases? Ummmm….. better let Hillary know….

In the News 8:26

But I thought Sen Orrin Hatch, one of the crafters of the SCHIP legislation, was a “wingnut?” Or is “wingnutism” issue-specific?

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 310

By Cliff Dunaway

October 15, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Cartoon is too small. Much bigger at other sites.

By Cliff Dunaway

October 15, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Cartoon is too small. Much bigger at other sites.

By Rule of Law

October 15, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

we aint nebah gonna mit poutta minaq

There is no way, not one single scenario that could possible occur, that would allow us to leave Iraq for the next 1000 years.

We are there. Get used to it. Trillions down a hole in the sand. Iraq was a trap. A trap for a jingoistic godzilla like W to stomp around until he stepped in it. The unlikely event of US troops in Iraq was the missing part of a fool’s game of “lets end the world” that our presidents have been playing since JFK’s cuban near miss.

The only truth in the bible is a truth about man: violence begets violence.

alles sprechen

By Rule of Law

October 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Point of order: nobody is going to click on your virus links, moron.

Warning to new readers. Dont get in the habit of clicking on blue lettered links to other websites. They may contain viruses.

It’s your new dell, pal.

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

{{{HOW MANY REPUBLICANS— EVEN WITH HELP FROM THEIR STOOGES, LIKE LIEBERMAN— DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW IN A LIGHT BULB?

One to deny that the light bulb needs to be changed

One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.

One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.

One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness.

One to give a billion dollar no-bid/cost-plus contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb.

One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the banner: “Light Bulb Change Accomplished.”

One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark.

One to viciously smear #7.

One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light bulb changing policy all along.

Finally, Joe Lieberman to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing the light bulb and screwing the country.}}}

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

I’m sort of torn on this issue - first of all, I would absolutely NEVER allow my children to be a “face” for any political cause.

Are we so surprised that the Republicans went after this family? Wouldn’t the Democrats do the same?

I read through some of the “news” about this and it’s pretty dispicable, but I’m not surprised that it happened.

In all honesty, I think it is horrible that politicians and pundits feel the need to smear people personally, but they weren’t going after the child himself, their comments were about the parents, but I think they deserve it. If you allow your family to be a “face” for any kind of controversial issue like this, you should expect some kind of scrutiny.

In this particular case, I think it backfired on the Republicans - how can they defend Iraq and deny healthcare to children? I think it would have been in their best interest to just leave this one alone.

However, the issue of SCHIPP programs, I’m all for expanding this program. I know there are abuses, but I think those occur with any system. I would much rather my tax dollar going to help children’s healthcare than this war.

By fatcat

October 15, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Luckovich, can you make “in the news” comments smaller, they’re too big and easy to read. How about like as small as a ant’s poo?

retard. honestly.

By sam

October 15, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

when exactly did the Nobel “guys” say they gave carter the peace prize to thumb their nose at bush? did i miss that one…

By Rule of Law

October 15, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

There’s nothing for us to say about this Iraq War. Let the Iraqi Parliament say it.

Iraq 4 Iraqis.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

The Democrats had this 12 year old kid do their weekly national radio address.

Now consider something if you will. In the address Graeme Frost said that he had been covered by the SCHIP program after his accident, but he and others like him would lose their coverage if the Democrat expansion wasn’t signed into law.

Let’s take him at his word and play honest journalist for a second. The Bush plan also expanded the program so my journalist red flag goes off. Why?

Why would he lose coverage if the smaller expansion were enacted? Unfortunately the bulk of the so called main stream media no longer has the journalistic instinct to ask that question.

Now it turns out that the Frost’s own three vehicles, a nice home, a commercial property that they rent, and all their children go to expensive private schools.

Why wouldn’t you expect a journalist to look into these things and why would you call doing that a smear?

By Midori

October 15, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

dang!!!

someone really did go through those people’s trash cans.

Michelle Malkin must be completely proud.

By jacksonwolff

October 15, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

“Now it turns out that the Frost’s own three vehicles, a nice home, a commercial property that they rent, and all their children go to expensive private schools.”

I don’t know about the vehicles, but the nice home was bought in the 90 for $55,000, they rent the commercial property because the bussiness that the father owned closed, and the kids go to private school on scholarships that were given to them because of their injuries from said accident.

By Truthman

October 15, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Martin Luther King Jr.; Jimmy Carter and now Al Gore.

Democrats: 3 Nobel Peace Prizes.

Republicans: 0 Nobel Peace Prizes (however, they have millions of “Ig-Noble” Prizes).

No surprise there, eh!?! Not when they think nothing of spending a few billion a week for an oil war, but don’t give a SHI* about kids.

Compassionate Conservatives my culo!!

By Paul

October 15, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

In The News 10:11

So is your point that a household earning the US median household income should have other taxpayers (even households earning less than the median) pay their medical bills?

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

ITFS, jacksonwolff, parrot, and others,

Regardless of the way the schooling is paid for or the fact that they chose to keep the commercial property and rent it out, how would anybody know any of this until someone looked into it?

By the way, that statement that all four kids were given scholarships because two of them were in an accident probably isn’t true, but if it were this would be taxable income.

By sam

October 15, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

dont you people know that when a statement is made contradicting a ‘liberal’ program, it is automatically true….please stop disproving these statements with ‘facts’…it makes us all look bad.

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

Actually, George C. Marshall (a WWII General, Republican and advisor to Harry Truman and FDR) won the Nobel Peace Prize for the Marshall Plan

By Midori

October 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

here’s something you can look into

Par for the course, actually.

Trash looking for trash.

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Sadly, the new voice of the Rep party is “I CAN’T DO because…..Dems, Clinton, dog ate homework, it’s raining, it’s not raining, etc”. Now Reps have been reduced to an entirely negative campaign devoid of optimism. They have well and truely lost all understanding of the optimist’s mantra of “I CAN DO because ….”.

Why? When they haven’t made any positive contributions, when everything they have touched has been a dismal failure, and when they have sold their own self-proclaimed principles down the river for no good reason other than support of their tragically flawed incumbent, there is quite simply NOTHING for them to do BUT talk about the other guys.

When you haven’t anything good to say about yourself, all that is left for you to do is talk bad about others! And THAT is the now unmistakeable and unchanging face of the Neo-Republican party!

Reps no longer “Think we CAN”; Reps now only “Think we CAN’T”!

By Truthman

October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

George Catlett Marshall, for whom Forces Command HQ bldg. is named, wouldn’t recognize today’s so-called Republicans! Neither would Barry Goldwater or Ike!

Those folks supported the rule of law, small government and civil liberties (and don’t tell me things are different now, they served during the height of the Cold War when the bad guys could actually destroy us with the push of a button).

Marshall was quite the man!!

Thx, ITN!!

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

{{{{By sam October 15, 2007 9:49 AM |when exactly did the Nobel “guys” say they gave carter the peace prize to thumb their nose at bush? did i miss that one…}}}}

Maybe you should read something more than just the pinko times, no?

The Norwegian Nobel Committee contrasted Carter’s success in finding peace between Egypt and Israel through diplomacy with President Bush’s vow to oust Saddam Hussein, by force if necessary.

{{{{“It (the award) should be interpreted as a criticism of the line that the current administration has taken,” said Gunnar Berge, the Nobel committee chairman. “It’s a kick in the leg to all that follow the same line as the United States.”}}}}

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

RW, “Why would he lose coverage if the smaller expansion were enacted?”

I don’t know.

“Unfortunately the bulk of the so called main stream media no longer has the journalistic instinct to ask that question.”

Your right. I don’t think the mainstream media has much journalistic instict for anything.

As far as the cars, property, etc., private schools, etc.

I own four cars - all old as crap cars that run and I refuse to buy a new one - that doesn’t make me rich. I used to own a commercial property, that I recently sold just to get off my hands - that property was more trouble than it was worth and I’m glad to be rid of it - it was kind of an inheritance thing that was not worth my time to manage, again, doesn’t make me rich (because I’m not).

There are a vast array of private schools in this country. @@’s school for diabled kids is a private school, so are most of the adolescent treatment centers in this state - they are classified as private schools.

Now, I’m guessing here, but the state probably will pay for some children a “scholarship” if you will for some children to attend these “schools.” I know the state of Tennessee and Georgia will pay for some wards of the state (and Medicaid children) to attend behavioral treatment centers if necessary. These would be considered “scholarships?” Who knows how they classify them.

Maybe disabled children in that state qualify for scholarships to attend a special need school. Again, guessing, I don’t know.

I’m curious as to the nature of this private school and their financial arrangment with the state. Does this school reside in an area with vouchers? I don’t know.

By jacksonwolff

October 15, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

“Regardless of the way the schooling is paid for…”

The problem with this statement is that when folks on the right tell it they say is so that people believe the these kids are living it up and their parents are paying BIG BUCKS to send them to private school, and then living off the public teet. The truth is that these kids parents do not pay more than 500.00 per year on these private schools.

SCHIP was designed for the WORKING poor, and I’m sorry, 25,000.00 per year per adult is not much.

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

More from Zellduh’s post…

{{{{{Although the committee has often used the prize to send a political message, it rarely makes such a direct comment. Other members of the committee distanced themselves from Berge’s statement, calling it his personal view.

“In the committee, we didn’t discuss what sort of interpretation of the grounds there should be. It wasn’t a topic,” committee member Hanna Kvanmo was quoted as telling the Norwegian news agency NTB.

The committee cited Carter’s “vital contribution” to the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt and his efforts in conflict resolution on several continents and the promotion of human rights after his presidency. }}}

By getalife

October 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

See that little wingnut in the middle with the wild eyes, that my friends, is a moonbat.

Unhinged.

Bat sh-it crazy,

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

{{{{{Again, guessing, I don’t know.}}}}}

{{{{{Does this school reside in an area with vouchers? I don’t know.}}}}}

Precisely my point of why somebody needs to ask.

The cars are a Volvo SUV, a GMC Suburban, and a Ford F-250 pickup.

Where do you suppose the environmentalists fall on this, but I digress?

This should really be a case of “why thew hell aren’t the adults in this family working?”, but sadly it’s just another engine on our bullet train to socialism.

By mm

October 15, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Ohio representative is 11th in GOP to announce retirement

This is too good to be true. They cannot even wait until they lose the election. Guilty conscience?

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

{{{WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has a sharply higher rate of women dying during or just after pregnancy than European countries, even some relatively poor countries such as Macedonia and Bosnia, according to the first estimates in five years on maternal deaths worldwide.}}}

{{{The report released by various United Nations agencies and the World Bank on Friday shows that Ireland has the lowest rate of deaths, while several African countries have the worst.}}}

{{{The United States has a far higher death rate than the European average, the report shows, with one in 4,800 U.S. women dying from complications of pregnancy or childbirth, the same as Belarus and just slightly better than Serbia’s rate of one in 4,500.}}}

{{{Just one out of 47,600 women in Ireland die during or just after childbirth, the report found. Bosnia had the second-lowest rate, with 1 in 29,000 women dying during pregnancy and childbirth.}}}

If capitalized medical systems yield better overall health as some here have proclaimed, why does America continue to show such poor results, year in and year out?

Maybe people get themselves sick and die just to skew the numbers and malign Reps? LOL

By Midnight Train to Georgia

October 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Bullet Train to Socialism???

Choo Choo

Sounds like the Paranoid Express.

How about the Facist Flyer?

By raisedanidiot

October 15, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

good morning fellow bloggers…evidently Sen. Craig’s wife didn’t know about his arrest until the story broke…craig says he regrets not telling his wife and family but most of all regrets not telling his counsel…more of those good ol’ repug family values instilled in him i guess…meanwhile, edwards calls hillary on playing politics with the iran militia vote…i think i like edwards more every day…we need someone in the house who isn’t afraid of going against our corrupt two family system…how bout a Gore/Edwards ticket?!

By Midori

October 15, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Man, it just keeps getting better:

{{{{Most of the national debate about global warming centers on carbon dioxide, the world’s most abundant greenhouse gas, and its major sources — fossil fuels. Seldom mentioned is that cows and other ruminants, such as sheep and goats, are walking gas factories that take in fodder and put out methane and nitrous oxide, two greenhouse gases that are far more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide. ———>Methane, with 21 times the warming potential of CO2,<——— comes from both ends of a cow, but mostly the front. Frat boys have nothing on bovines, as it’s estimated that a single cow can belch out anywhere from 25 to 130 gallons of methane a day.}}}}

{{{{All told, livestock are responsible for 18% of greenhouse-gas emissions worldwide, according to the U.N. — ——->more than all the planes, trains and automobiles on the planet.<———}}}}

Uh, so what about duh sheep, hahaha?

Or is that “you” sheep?

Duh.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

RW, Sure it’s okay to ask, but can’t they show a little decorum and wait until they have the answers to these questions before trying to defame this family?

Again, I think the Republicans just really looked bad on this one, most middle class people and below can sympathize with this family, or they know someone in their shoes. It’s just really that simple to me.

Are these parents not working?

For one thing, if you have two children with brain injuries, yes, you work, you work all the time, 24/7, you just don’t get paid for it. Taking care of sick children or an older adult/parent is very much a full time job.

I think it’s kind of sad that you know what kind of cars these people own, but I digress.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning all.

Did anyone happen to see Ann Coulter On Donnie Deutsch’s “The Big Idea” show?

Though idolized by the hate mongers on the far right, the woman’s bigotry never ceases to amaze me.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/articledisplay.jsp?vnucontent_id=1003657196

She said EVERYONE in the country, including Deutsch himself should be Christian. The country would be better off. She goes on to insult mixed-race couples in New York as having a chip on their shoulder.

Huh?

See thinks throwing Judaism away and getting on the “fast track” is the answer!

One can only imagine what she would like to do with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists!

Donnie ends the segment with a reference to Coulter’s new book, “If Democrats had any brains they’d be Republicans” with the comment, “And if Ann Coulter had any brains she wouldn’t say the Jews need to be perfected”.

Yet she professes that at all of the mega-churches she speaks at, the theme is tolerance.

Hmmmmm?

Deutsch, the imperfect Jew, gets the last comment on this bitter and disturbed woman’s tirade when he closes the show by saying that this country is fed up with this kind of hatred and that it’s time to end it.

I agree, Mr. Deutsch.

If there were a pin up girl for the American Taliban, it would be Ann Coulter.

By Midori

October 15, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

you should have seen his comments about the Katrina victims.

He was completely horrified that those poor people were “living it up, for free, cable and all”, at taxpayer expense.

The gall!!! The nerve!!!

That is sadder than sad (and sorry) about the car info.

Again, par for the course.

Garbage digging through garbage.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Yes, I did digress a little in my last post.

RW, You asked why these parents aren’t working and my anedote about taking care of children with brain injuries and sick adults is not an appropriate answer.

But, do you know these parents situation? Are they not working? Are they looking for jobs? I mean, you don’t know their situation. OR do you?

If they are just laying around, lazy bums who are totaly complacent of living off welfare, then shame on them, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case.

I don’t know this family or their situation, and don’t feel comfortable answering the question as to why these people are not working.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I really don’t care which political party looks bad over the human shield the Democrats are hiding behind and I find it fascinating that you don’t think every single thing this family owns should be a matter of public record.

They have gone to the government and asked the government to take money away from someone else and give it to them. I think when you do this you need to be scrutinized to make sure you really need it.

Now just for kicks explain to me how someone with brain injuries so severe that they need full time care from two parents can go on national radio and deliver the Democrat Party radio address?

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I flew up to the ATL on Saturday morning and the woman (late thirties as a guess) in front of me was traveling with a retarded boy about 16 years old. She looked mentally and physically drained and I wonder how much the boy contributed to this. Your heart has to go out to people with “special needs” children.

I have no point, just an observation.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Midori, Like I said earlier, I think that anyone would have to be insane to allow their child to be the “face” for something so controversial, but I think it’s sad for anyone to try and defame a family when they don’t have all the information.

Yes, if this family was sending their children to elite private schools with $15,000 a year tuition, driving new shiny cars, and living in a mansion, I think this family wouldn’t have been the best choice as an example, but I just don’t get the impression that’s the case.

And in this particular case, I think it backfired on the Republicans - I know several families that are facing the same kind of problems, and they are good hard working folks.

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical October 15, 2007 10:33 AM When you haven’t anything good to say about yourself, all that is left for you to do is talk bad about others! And THAT is the now unmistakeable and unchanging face of the Neo-Republican party!}}}}

Spammie: Suggestion for you, when you switch back to the AntiRadical moniker maybe you should leave the exclamation points off the end of all your sentences, it wouldn’t be so obvious.

Duh.

~~~~~

{{{{By DHIMMI THE NEWS October 15, 2007 10:46 AM More from Zellduh’s post…Other members of the committee distanced themselves from Berge’s statement, calling it his personal view.}}}}

Uh, there are a lot of retired generals that don’t agree with what Sanchez said, that sure doesn’t seem to matter very much to you goonies, does it?

Duh.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Bosch 11:08,

My only problem with that answer is why you don’t care. If we’re to be expected to have the government take money out of our pockets for the sole purpose of giving it to someone else then I believe we have every right to know the exact circumstances of where our money is going.

As a Christian I voluntarily give money on faith that it will go to the needy and in many cases it may not, but it was a voluntary choice on my part.

I expect the government to be held accountable that it truly needs every dollar it confiscates from me.

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch: the far right thinks that there is NEVER any good excuse for not working or needing assistance. It is inconvenient to their world view, and they imagine that if needy people were “good” to begin with, then God would have made them rich.

They have perverted the message of Jesus to conform to their view that the needy are all just bums because God hasn’t already blessed them with wealth and if they then help those in need, then they would be opposing God’s already demonstrated will.

I call this “Neo-Chritianity”!

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch: the far right thinks that there is NEVER any good excuse for not working or needing assistance. It is inconvenient to their world view, and they imagine that if needy people were “good” to begin with, then God would have made them rich.

They have perverted the message of Jesus to conform to their view that the needy are all just bums because God hasn’t already blessed them with wealth and if they then help those in need, then they would be opposing God’s already demonstrated will.

I call this “Neo-Christianity”!

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Hi John,

Yeah, its sad but probably the American way that so many of us take things, like our health and our children’s health, for granted.

On a related note, I read recently where someone (one of the GOP cadidates maybe?) said that in retrospect “compassionate conservatism” was probably a bad idea.

His take on it was that, and I am paraphrasing slightly here, the GOP spending money helping people via entitlements was not fiscally conservative.

Let’s face it, whatever the reason, whether it is twisted priorities, veiled attempts to bridge the separation between church and state or just plain class warfare, the words compassionate and conservative DO NOT go together.

Well, then again, they might, but certainly compassionate and NEO-conservative don’t…

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Look at this Bozo:

{{{{By AmVet October 15, 2007 11:06 AM Good morning all. Did anyone happen to see Ann Coulter On Donnie Deutsch’s “The Big Idea” show?}}}}

This DimVet spends his whole entire day on a blog insulting other people’s religions, and now has the audacity to call someone else on it.

What a tosser.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

parrot @ 11:08,

Prove that you freaking liar.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

RW, That’s why I posted that 11:08 - I got off on a bit of a tangent, but just because they can take the time to appear on a radio talk show, doesn’t mean anything.

Please don’t pretend like the Republicans haven’t used their own human shields for propogandic reasons.

This family does deserve some amount of scrutiny because they have consented to entering the political arena with their issues.

Families in general who ask the government for help DO NOT deserve public scrutiny and defamation. Yes it is necessary for their appropriate agency to insure families who ask for assistance are in compliance - but there are privacy issues as well, and I think that families who are on government assistance do not need to have their private circumstances announced to the public.

There are all kinds of welfare in this country, corporate welfare comes to mind as another type. Be careful what you ask for.

John in Tampa, Great observation.

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

LuckoDuhQuixote: Since you see my handle on everything you read, perhaps you should seek professional care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is swinging swords at windmills part of your delusional mentality as well?

Own up, Andy, Duh, Liberals Suck, etc, etc, etc, etc (LOL), you don’t like the message so you attack the messenger; nothing new there.

I might suggest that you get a new schtick prior to the next election season, though. Your type has wakened the sleeping moderates; Karl Rove mechanics will not save you this time.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

John 11:15

I worked with a young guy, newlywed. His wife taught for a few years while they built a foundation for raising a family.

They now have three sons. One with severe autism. One with moderate autism.

They will have those kids with them until the day they die. It’s just one of those unfortunate breaks life dumps on some people.

I’d be more than happy to see my tax dollars go to provide ongoing assistance for families like that. Just the emotional and physical drain is, to me, incomprehensible.

Just another observation.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

RW, “If we’re to be expected to have the government take money out of our pockets for the sole purpose of giving it to someone else then I believe we have every right to know the exact circumstances of where our money is going.”

What about the corruption and overspending of Haliburton? Where is our money going in Iraq?

Do you really want to know the circumstances of every family on governement assistance? If so, become a social worker. I think you’d be a great one.

AntiRadical, I totally agree.

By raisedanidiot

October 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Antirad…well said!

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Oh those robber barons in the government! The nerve! How can they expect Americans to actually pay for what they get?

It says right in the neo-con hand book that neo-cons are entitled to all of the privileges and benefits of living in this greatest of countries but that they SHOULD pay nothing in return.

And if that is not possible, just whine about rightful taxation as money that is “confiscated”.

As though actually contributing to the common good of the nation is a penalty.

Ms. Coulter thinks there should be no non-Christians in this country. Maybe the neo-cons think there should be no taxpayers as well!

After all, God is on there side and as long as he gets his share…

By Midori

October 15, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

good luck on trying to appeal to these goons’ “softer side” and “logic”, but I fear their brand of compassionate conservatism is limited to their good ole boys who loot the treasury along the lines of Blackwater and Halliburton.

Now if only they would dig their THOSE garbage cans……

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

I have a bone to pick with your whole state: any chance you could at least keep Zell away from everyone else? For some reason he’s speaking on campus today. I’m tempted to go look at that traitor, but my work may prevent me…

By Goldie

October 15, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

If you Neo-con trolls are so concerned about tax dollars leaving your pockets, where is your OUTRAGE about the BILLIONS of $$$ that simply “disappeared” in Iraq due to incompetence and cronyism??? And when are you Neo-cons gonna start being fiscally responsible with our tax dollars???

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Anti radical, your last paragraph at 11:36 was EXACTLY what Deutsch was referring to when he castigated one of the favorite hate mongers of the far right.

This infamous, once banned, blogger you refer to feels he has to hide behind MANY aliases but the writing, and the message, is always unmistakably his.

And over the past few years,thanks to the GOP’s trickle down theory, this is what passes for reasoned discourse.

And though the biggest part of America is just sick of this stuff, you can bet the smear merchants are sure to be gearing up as we speak.

That political party is not quick to learn from their mistakes.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Personally, I’m sick and tired of being slammed as being anti kids, or mean spirited, or whatever for disagreeing with the expansion of yet another social program. You can’t even discuss the merits of the plans with liberals without the labels flying.

If you people really think socialism is a great way to live, there are quite a few nations you can go live in. Go! People who get up every day, go to work, pay their bills, and have a compassionate heart, but are not naive, are sick of paying for those who are taking advantage of the system. You are not entitled to 3 cars, rental property, a house in a nice neighborhood, and your kids in private school. If you can afford those things, good for you. If you can’t, look in the mirror, but don’t ask the rest of us for a handout. Work for it like the rest of us.

And before you liberals start the smearing, I do have compassion on people in need and would never pass someone by in need or give them a hand. People fall on hard times. That’s NOT what we’re talking about here and you know that. We’re talking about social welfare here. Don’t confuse the 2.

Both political party’s have reduced our democracy to nothing more than vote buying. “Who can give the biggest voting block the most stuff to get their vote.” People are never going to vote themselves out of a free ride. The reality, however, is someone still has to foot the bill. And when working harder no longer gets you ahead, but gets you higher up the “social program contributor” scale, people will stop working harder and make the decision to just join the pigs a the trough. Then who’s going to foot the bill because you can never take away ANY of these programs without being called “mean spirited” or “anti children”? Think, people, think!

By AntiRadical

October 15, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

RB- Clinton and the Rep congress eliminated most of the waste in welfare spending during the 90’s. You need to keep up with current events. The “Welfare Wagon” argument is yesterday’s slogan.

Or maybe the Rep congress, didn’t help Clinton after all?

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Perhaps if we weren’t spending bizillions of $$$$$ on unappreciative Iraqis ( and others worldwide) we could spend that money on appreciative Americans.

By RE

October 15, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

I gotta say, I am gettin kinda sick of the spokesperson or figurehead who is above question. I think of it as the “cute and fuzzy attack bunny” Still working on the name.

Both side use it, reme,ber the snowflake kids, all special, all unique…. all white. The message was that if you allowed stem cell research, it would be the same as killing those children. A ridiculous message, no where near the truth.

Or how about General Petraues, build the guy up as a savior, then if you disagree with any part of his testimony or question the policy he is charged with carrying out, as the state department and GAO reports did, then you are attacking the entire military, all troops in harms way, the american flag, the bald eagle, and who knows what else.

The worst is John Edwards wife though, she can make any comment she chooses, and is the teeth in his campaign, but how can you fight back againt her, she has cancer.

For a goof, how about the parties debate the substance of a policy instead of using cheap theatrics and sympathetic stand ins.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

The President’s SHIP Plan

Congress creates the laws The President signs/executes the laws The Courts validate the laws

When the Republican’s were the majority party in Congress the President told them the laws that he wanted and they gave them to him. (Paid for them with earmarks.)

Now the Democrats are the majority party in Congress. The President tries to tell them what laws he wants and they, being reasonable people, are willing to consult. But the President’s street only goes one way. Give it all or it will be vetoed.

The Democrats in Congress wanted to increase SHIP spending a lot, the President only a little. The Democrats wrote the SHIP law and sent it to the President for signature. No signature. Vetoed.

The President’s SCHIP plan is not worth spit because the Democrats did not cave on this one. The President’s SCHIP plan is meaningless. Congress writes the laws.

SO STOP TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S SCHIP PLAN. WITHOUT A COMPLIANT CONGRESS IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Well it appears one of my posts was dropped, so I’ll try again.

RB in Gwinnett, I get really tired of comments such as “If you people really think socialism is a great way to live, there are quite a few nations you can go live in. Go!”

I love my country and refuse to leave so our Constitution can continue to be raped by the current administration. There are also plenty of other country’s who live under fascist regimes - why don’t you leave?

Also, “You can’t even discuss the merits of the plans with liberals without the labels flying.”

Would you care to debate the topic or just make asinine assumptions?

Rushncap, On behalf of all those embarrassed by Zell Miller, I am sorry. You Tar Hills better get your dueling guns ready!

By mm

October 15, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Wingnuts,

I’m sick of hearing about how you are so concerned about where your tax dollars are going, but you continue to blindly support the p*ssing away of a trillion dollars in a country where we will have no payback. Zero. Zilch.

Not to mention the countless bloated spending bills the GOP passed and Bush approved.

Now he wants to look fiscally responsible? What a joke. And you supporters are the punchline.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Personally, I’m sick and tired of being slammed as being anti kids, or mean spirited, or whatever for disagreeing with the expansion of yet another social program. You can’t even discuss the merits of the plans with liberals without the labels flying.

If you people really think socialism is a great way to live, there are quite a few nations you can go live in. Go! People who get up every day, go to work, pay their bills, and have a compassionate heart, but are not naive, are sick of paying for those who are taking advantage of the system. You are not entitled to 3 cars, rental property, a house in a nice neighborhood, and your kids in private school. If you can afford those things, good for you. If you can’t, look in the mirror, but don’t ask the rest of us for a handout. Work for it like the rest of us.

And before you liberals start the smearing, I do have compassion on people in need and would never pass someone by in need or give them a hand. People fall on hard times. That’s NOT what we’re talking about here and you know that. We’re talking about social welfare here. Don’t confuse the 2.

Both political party’s have reduced our democracy to nothing more than vote buying. “Who can give the biggest voting block the most stuff to get their vote.” People are never going to vote themselves out of a free ride. The reality, however, is someone still has to foot the bill. And when working harder no longer gets you ahead, but gets you higher up the “social program contributor” scale, people will stop working harder and make the decision to just join the pigs a the trough. Then who’s going to foot the bill because you can never take away ANY of these programs without being called “mean spirited” or “anti children”? Think, people, think!

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 11:35,

The family doesn’t deserve the scrutiny because they entered the political arena, they deserve scrutiny because they asked the government to take money away from someone that earned it and hand it over to them.

There should ZERO privacy for any family taking government handouts and furthermore if it were up to me they would lose the privilege of voting ubtil they were self sufficient.

Bosch 11:42,

Yes. ALL government spending should be very highly scrutinized.

Just an aside in case I seem a little more edgy than usual, I’m doing my 2006 taxes today.

Anti-Radical,

You’re insane if you think most of the welfare fraud in this country was cleaned up in the 1990’s. It may have moved under a different shell, but it’s still a shell game.

rushncap,

Did you happen to catch this guy on campus?

Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Ain’t it the truth that no matter how much things change, they always stay the same?:

{{{{ As if Abraham Lincoln didn’t have enough distractions while pursuing a war to restore the Union, he also had to worry about what he called “the fire in the rear.” He was speaking metaphorically. The fire was actually a group of Northern Democrats known as Copperheads. They opposed the Civil War, sympathized with the Southern secessionists, were mostly racists themselves, loathed Lincoln, blamed him and not the Southerners for starting the bloody fight.}}}}

{{{{“The second phase,” Weber writes, “began with the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in September 1862, and extended into the following spring, when the Union adopted a draft.” Racist Northern Democrats—there were many—who had backed the war to maintain the Union joined the opposition when the war became an effort to free the slaves.}}}}

{{{{The third phase came with the horrendous losses suffered by the Union army in 1864. Not only had Grant’s army stalled, it lost 60,000 troops in a single six-week period. Antiwar sentiment reached its height and “thousands of Northerners were clamoring for peace. The Copperheads, with their antiwar stance and harsh criticisms of the president, offered an appealing alternative to Lincoln’s stubborn determination to stay the course.”}}}}

You idiot democrats have always been on the wrong side of history.

Always.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Could you please direct me to a link where I can look at the Democrat Party bills that rollback the Republican spending bills? Thank you in advance!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Lets debate, Bosch. Please start by telling me all the merits of socializm.

When you’re done with that, please tell me specifically how this administration has raped the constitution. Don’t give me the “moveon.org” talking points either. Give me facts backed by the constitution itself. While you’re in there, please find the section that guarantees a person’s right to healthcare paid for by others.

And after that, I’d like to know at what income level a person should be expected to take care of themselves.

I’ll await your reply.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

No, RW, I did not catch him. In fact I did not even hear about him coming. I would have been interested in hearing what he has to say. Unlike you I care about truth and am very interested in learning opinions of anyone who is qualified to have an opinion worth spending my time on. Dr. Gray certainly fits that bill. Does not mean I would agree with his assessment, but he is worth listening to. Would you dare extend the same courtesy to someone who you disagree with? My money’s on “are you KIDDING?!”.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh is making all that up about the copperheads. Lincoln knew that he had won the war. Everyone knew it. Evey the copperheads, who were actually a phony protest group set up by war suppliers who were bilking the government of millions of dollars with substandard supplies. The copperheads knew that more newspapers would sell if they kept hawking about peace and southern rights and it served as the perfect cover for their piracy.

When Grant was elected prez, these same pirates bilked the USA out of more millions in the most corrupt administration in USA history…. Until Cheney came along, and now Cheney has that distinction.

alles sprechen

By reebok

October 15, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Great cartoon, ML…you cut right through the hypocrisy of the right-wing hate machine. If only a few more in the media had stood up to Bush & the Chickenhawks 5 years ago, we wouldn’t be stuck in the middle of Iraq’s civil war now. Support the troops and bring them home!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Lets debate, Bosch. Please start by telling me all the merits of socializm.

When you’re done with that, please tell me specifically how this administration has raped the constitution. Don’t give me the “moveon.org” talking points either. Give me facts backed by the constitution itself. While you’re in there, please find the section that guarantees a person’s right to healthcare paid for by others.

And after that, I’d like to know at what income level a person should be expected to take care of themselves.

I’ll await your reply.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Lets debate, Bosch. Please start by telling me all the merits of socializm.

When you’re done with that, please tell me specifically how this administration has raped the constitution. Don’t give me the “moveon.org” talking points either. Give me facts backed by the constitution itself. While you’re in there, please find the section that guarantees a person’s right to healthcare paid for by others.

And after that, I’d like to know at what income level a person should be expected to take care of themselves.

I’ll await your reply.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Actually rushncap,

I revel in listening to opposing viewpoints. Usually when I’m listening to an illogical moonbat(ic)®, like yourself, it reinforces what I already know to be true.

I’m very open minded to being persuaded by an honest point of view, presented in an honest fashion with no smoke and mirrors or human shields. I actually enjoy discussing issues with Jay Bookman because he at least gives you his exact point of view with no fluff, although he’s nutty as a fruitcake. <——Sorry Dusty!

Going to school as a conservative made it a necessity that I learned to listen to the opposition and defend my position. Sadly a liberal can get their degree without even once having encountered an opposing point of view.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Here’s one for you Bosch.

President Bush quietly has claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans’ mail without a judge’s warrant.

[Amendment IV (the Fourth Amendment) to the United States Constitution is one of the provisions included in the Bill of Rights. The Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and was originally designed as a response to the controversial writs of assistance (a type of general search warrant), which were a significant factor behind the American Revolution.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

If I didn’t know you any better, RW, I’d believe maybe a single line of what you just typed. Fortunately, I’m not that gullible. Your mind is shut tighter than the ISS. But no worries, I’m not here to futilely educate you. Just to tease and provoke you.

By Midori

October 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Rush Limbaugh -the sleaziest man in the world

I can feel the wingnuts getting all tingly……

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

It is pretty cool how Jay Bookman will answer emails to him. Too bad the fruitcake is in RW’s shorts! bwa

alles sprechen

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Another one Bosch

(How much money? Enough to cover the bottom two bands.)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow’shierarchyof_needs]

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Have you liberals forgotten your party voted for this war? How do you now say it’s Bush’s war? At what point did it stop being in the best interest of the USA and start being just for Bush and his cronies? About the time it became politically advantageous to oppose it, maybe? You are pathetic! You’re party leaders voted for it! What part of that are you not getting?!!!!

And now they have the ability to vote to cut off funding for it. If they really want us out vs. just pandering for votes, write the bill and pass it. Or do they not have the courage to lead? They need to put up or shut up.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Do over…

How much money? Enough to cover the bottom two bands.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Good for you rushncap,

I’m glad you’ve found your life’s calling.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

RB, I have an easy answer to one of your questions: the war was NEVER in the best interest of the USA. Ever. There were too many spineless Dems who voted for the war not because they believe in it, but because they feared political repercussions for their careers. It’s not their war, but they should be held accountable for not standing up to evil when they had the chance.

Clear enough for ya?

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

RB

You say Universal Health Care is socialism. I disagree.

We make sure our families are taken care of, right?

How about opening our hearts to include others?

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

You just have to love Sherri Jacoby. She just said that if Hillary gets elected President Bill will be very involved because he’ll be sleeping right down the hall somewhere.

BWHAHAHHAHA

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

{{{{Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released Monday. Others have used superglue to stick crowns back on, rather than stumping up for private treatment, said the study. One person spoke of carrying out 14 separate extractions on himself with pliers. More typically, a lack of publicly-funded dentists means that growing numbers go private: 78 percent of private patients said they were there because they could not find a National Health Service (NHS) dentist, and only 15 percent because of better treatment.}}}}

You think Shrillary would have any problems finding a private dentist, after she sticks us with some government flunky?

Duh.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

RW, periodically b!tch-slapping you (verbally, don’t get off on one of your twisted sex tangents, please, for the love of your god!) is less a life calling and more of a diversion from boredom. You’re worth very little of my time, but it amuses me to remind you not to get too big a head once in a while.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Professor rushncap,

Could you please provide some source material for your inference that Democrats said the war wasn’t in our interest but they were going to vote for it anyway out of political considerations thereby absolving them of being a party to the war?

Every time I look it up i can only find the Democrat speeches that say the war was not only in our interest, but some even said it was vital.

Thank you in advance!

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit is just one of our regular neighborhood liberals posing under another ID. What a jer^off!

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

OOOOHHHHH Big bad rushncap is flexing his blog muscles again.

Freaking loser

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

RB

War is bad, very bad. Unfortunately Man (men) need war to resolve some conflicts. War should always be the last resort. A response, not an opening or middle game move.

Maybe the President was trying to prove one of his friend’s points by starting two wars. The Pentagon said they could wage two wars and still manage a few minor conflicts.

Maybe he was trying to prove that they were wrong. He does associate with the person who said I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

You gotta love Bill Clinton’s explaination on Jay Leno last weeek about why monicagate happened, “If Monica had stayed quiet, I’d have gotten out of that mess, yet, on the other hand, if she had a bigger mouth, I wouldn’t have stained her dress. Go Figure.. It’s like a paradox…”

By mm

October 15, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

(R)Retarded (W)Wingnut,

(((Could you please direct me to a link where I can look at the Democrat Party bills that rollback the Republican spending bills? Thank you in advance!)))

The wingnuts block everything the dems try to do. In 2009 it will happen. The suicide hotline will be busy in 2009.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse

Insults reflect more on the speaker than the target.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit, exactly how many people who are not part of your family are you currently supporting by paying for their healthcare? It’s quite easy to drop that “open your hearts” garbage when you’re doing it with somebody else’s money.

Let’s all face the facts… Universal healthcare is nothing more than “I don’t have healthcare today, I want it, and I want somebody else to pay for it”. Period.

Here’s an idea… Maybe the DNC can fund free healthcare through donations from Democrats. That way, the compassionate liberals who all think it’s a great idea would be the ones paying the bills. How much are you ready to contribute Bandit? Write the check and then tell me how great an idea it is.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

See, that’s what I mean, RW. You’re amusing when you’re p!ssed off. Hehe. Dance, puppet!

RW — Democrats were not idiots. They knew full well that Hussein was not a threat, and had nothing to do with 9/11. But they also knew that the Shrubministration scared the vast majority of people in this country into believing that, and opposing a popular near-dictator is always bad juju, politically. So they went along with it. Spineless, yes. Near criminal, yes. As bad as Bush and Co.? Not in the same zip code.

I’m sorry that your side is has been reduced to “Clinton did it too” and “Some Democrats are almost as bad as Bush”. If that’s they best you try to hang your collective hats on… well, at least y’all know you’ve been whipped. If only it didn’t cost thousands of lives for you freaking losers to figure that out.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit, exactly how many people who are not part of your family are you currently supporting by paying for their healthcare? It’s quite easy to drop that “open your hearts” garbage when you’re doing it with somebody else’s money.

Let’s all face the facts… Universal healthcare is nothing more than “I don’t have healthcare today, I want it, and I want somebody else to pay for it”. Period.

Here’s an idea… Maybe the DNC can fund free healthcare through donations from Democrats. That way, the compassionate liberals who all think it’s a great idea would be the ones paying the bills. How much are you ready to contribute Bandit? Write the check and then tell me how great an idea it is.

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

(m)oronic (m)motherf^cker,

Hopefully, you and the rest of you idiotic lefties will all jump off the nearest bridge once you are denied the white house again.

By Aaron

October 15, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

With all due respect Mike the expansion of SCHIP is an emotional fraud being forced on John Q. Public.

Clinton’s welfare reform was a ploy to buy time and more benefits at a future date. We have now arrived at the point of his intent. It was one of the biggest examples of welfare fraud perpetrated on the American people.

Signing the bill while rushing through last-minute waivers exempting states from the bill’s provisions went unnoticed by most of us. For example:

Time limits vary with each state. Time limits do not apply to 17% of the caseload: minor children, but not their parents. A substantial portion of this group being U.S. citizen children born to alien parents. The time limit provision applies to only four of the nearly 80 welfare programs.

Hours worked vary with each state too. We would all be surprised to learn that for single-parent households the work requirement is 20 hrs. per week for the first two years, 25 hrs per week for the third year, and 30 hours per week thereafter. For two-parent families the work requirement is 35 hrs. per week between both parents. Welfare mothers with children under 6 yrs. don’t have to work if they can’t find daycare.

Clinton’s Welfare Reform Bill was supposed to reduce welfare spending significantly. In reality the bill increased welfare spending by more than $70 billion. We reached that highwater mark around 2003.

Clinton’s welfare reforms were better than nothing but now we have to ask ourselves “What comes next?” When can we expect to drown in a sea of government entitlement programs?

I am opposed to expansion of SCHIP and waivers. If you don’t know the specifics you don’t know what you’re promoting or opposing. Withholding specifics is what goverment does best.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

(M)ental (M)idget <——-See how much better it works whne you enclose the first letter in parenthesis and not repeat it?

Even if it were true that the evil Republicans block everything you should be able to show me the bill they blocked.

The good news is you’ve got all afternoon because I’m headed to the accountants office.

rushncap,

See you later. I’m sorry I haver to leave this laughfest because there’s nothing funnier than watching your futile attempts at…well at anything.

Go preen in front of that magic mirror of yours and I’ll try to get back for happy hour.

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit,

Oooooohhhh, I’m so hurt by your relentless response to my post. What am I going to do know? How will I survive?

Why don’t you use your normal ID moron. I’ll bet you’re that loser getalife aren’t you?

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

RB
Do you like apples?

Mark Warner. The next U. S. Senator from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Yes, Republican John Warner will be replaced by former Governor Mark Warner (Democrat).

How do you like those apples?

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

“Lewinski…clap-clapclap. Lewinski…clap-clapclap. Lewinski eez goot enough for’d me. Lewinski goot for’d you. Lewinski goot for’d me, I love to see an intern on her knees. Lewinski goot for’d you, Lewinski goot for’d me, I’d like another BJ if you please….” (If Bill Clinton stole Charo’s act).

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

In the immortal words of King Arthur “Run awayyyyyyy!” RW.

Adios.

By Jack is Back

October 15, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Hillary Clinton aka Hilarious the Clown is a JOKE.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

In The News 2:32

President Bush loosened the restrictions? Really? Wow! He really gets into the details, doesn’t he? Hey, I’ll bet he even directed the new BDUs can’t have starch. Mess hall menus? Yup. He does menus, too. PSI ratings for the tires for the MRAPs? That’s right - his calculations.

So many details, so little time.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RB, In your original post from today, you said “merits of the system” and then went into an “if you love socialism so much why don’t you marry it” tyrade.

Do you want to discuss socialism or the SCHIPP program?

It seems Beltway and rushncap have answered your other “debate” topics.

Beltway, I think Maslow was pretty much on target. Thanks for the link.

RW, @1:06

“There should ZERO privacy for any family taking government handouts and furthermore if it were up to me they would lose the privilege of voting ubtil they were self sufficient.”

Wow! Well, at least your honest. Does that loss of voting privledge go for the CEO of companies who receive government subsidies, what about the employees of those companies? After all, if they aren’t self sufficient, then they shouldn’t be in business.

Just curious: are you totally self-sufficient? If your house caught on fire, would you put it out yourself? If someone broke into your home, would you find the perpetrator yourself? Do you fly around in some kind of made up jetsuit or do you drive on roads? Do you eat your own food that you grow in your yard or do you buy food at the supermarket? Have you ever bought ANYTHING from Wal-Mart? Have you ever taken a prescription drug that wasn’t tested by the FDA?

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Terrific at 2:44!

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

ITN, Thanks. I’m going to be looking out for RW flying around in his specially made jetsuit from now on.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, health care, Irag, Gore, et al.

Let’s just charter a 767 and go to Amsterdam!!!

By Paul

October 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Hello Bosch

I thought you might be interested in this interview with Archbishop Josiah Idowu-Fearon of Nigeria. He was questioned about how Africans and Americans view scripture, his view on whether or not the split is really about homosexuality, and Muslim-Christian relations. A most interesting perspective. Your significant other (not sure of the proper term) may enjoy it, also.

I’ve heard other African Archbishops speak. They have zero tolerance for political correctness.

Link: Archbishop Idowu-Fearon Interview

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Bosch Really big swatter or Raid?

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Why ‘Socialism’ Evokes No Fear

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

RB

I pay taxes. Local, state, federal, payroll, and sales. I am a patriot.

When I gave money to my church I did not ask what they did with it either. But it was used more wisely.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I’m still waiting on the merits of socialism. Be specific, please.

The SCHIPP program IS part of the socialised healthcare system. It’s the same debate.

Equating services such as fire protection, road construction, police, etc. with these social welfare programs is stretching a bit too far, Bosch. Keep the debate reasonable while you still have credibility.

I’m not a fan of these government handouts to entice businesses to locate in a specific area. It’s a slap in the face of the businesses who are already there and don’t get the same benefit. Having said that, those same businesses are offered those tax breaks because they bring jobs to local economies. Those workers pay taxes (payroll, property, sales) which enhances the pool of money the tax breaks came from. I’d say that’s a bit different than welfare recipients who bring nothing to the table, yet take, take, take. This analogy holds no water, Bosch. Try again. BTW, companies don’t pay taxes, the people who buy their stuff pay taxes. Raise the taxes, they’ll raise the price, and you’ll pay. Simple economics…

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I’m still waiting on the merits of socialism. Be specific, please.

The SCHIPP program IS part of the socialised healthcare system. It’s the same debate.

Equating services such as fire protection, road construction, police, etc. with these social welfare programs is stretching a bit too far, Bosch. Keep the debate reasonable while you still have credibility.

I’m not a fan of these government handouts to entice businesses to locate in a specific area. It’s a slap in the face of the businesses who are already there and don’t get the same benefit. Having said that, those same businesses are offered those tax breaks because they bring jobs to local economies. Those workers pay taxes (payroll, property, sales) which enhances the pool of money the tax breaks came from. I’d say that’s a bit different than welfare recipients who bring nothing to the table, yet take, take, take. This analogy holds no water, Bosch. Try again. BTW, companies don’t pay taxes, the people who buy their stuff pay taxes. Raise the taxes, they’ll raise the price, and you’ll pay. Simple economics…

By Paul

October 15, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

In the News 3:01

From your link: “Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republican presidential pack run around squawking about socialism whenever anyone proposes health care reform.”

Then why did Guiliani, Romney and other Republican candidates offer their own health care plans? So they can stand on stage and proclaim “Here’s my plan. I’m a Socialist!” Why did Romney implement a complete, statewide system in Massachusetts?

Ideology trumps intellectual honesty. Again.

By getalife

October 15, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

wingnuts still think they they are relevant but in reality they have been marginalized as kooks.

Socialism eh?

Like the police, firemen, roads, politician health care, Iraq occupation, lobbyists corporate welfare and the military industrial complex all funded by taxpayer money.

So kooks, if you want to talk about socialism, do include all socialism or STFU.

Geez.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

RB

Socialism and Democracy are forms of government. Universal Health Care is a feature of society. UHC may be a feature of either Socialism or Democracy, but it does not define either.

We are rich. We can provide UHC and still be rich. Maybe even richer because we can stop worrying about our medical bills and get to work.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

This nation endures, arguably, the worst administration and Presidency in her history. And it is not just me who asserts this, as many, many, many other Americans also think so.

YET, the climatology expert here now turned historian reminds us of those rascally Democrats from 150 years ago to make his point that today’s Republican Party rocks!

Can you say demented?

Does this mean that the neo-cons have run out of things to blame Clinton for?!! It would be a nice break, but alas, I’m fairly certain that they will NEVER stop laying the fault of the nation’s problems at anybody’s feet but their own!!

What next? Martin Van Buren never secured the border with Mexico?

And yes, I agree with that erudite position stated earlier that we need more voting restrictions! If you’re getting ANY entitlements, (Oops, does that include us veterans?) NO voting for you!

First Ann Coulter wants Christians ONLY in this country and now the self-righteous and imperious on the far right want to be the only ones to vote…

By Midori

October 15, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

the only thing he flies around on is a broom — a vacuum cleaner if he’s in a hurry.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Speaking of RW’s 1:06 post:

“There should ZERO privacy for any family taking government handouts and furthermore if it were up to me they would lose the privilege of voting ubtil they were self sufficient.”

We toss the word “fascism” around a bit too often, but if ever the moniker was appropriate…

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

RB, And I’m still waiting on which topic you want to discuss: socialism, which is a political ideology, or the SCHIPP program, a government subsidized children’s healthcare program?

They aren’t the same thing.

Government services are socialistic - it most certainly is the same debate. No one in this country is self-sufficient, and no one in this country gets to choose how their tax money is spent.

And did you know that some of those “big employers” don’t offer health benefits to their employees so they are forced to rely on government subsidized assistance or do without? WalMart, AT&T, etc.

Answer me this about welfare recipients: Do you even know the types of government social programs? There are many different kinds and the last time I checked, there were no programs that just gave money out to lazy adults who didn’t want to work. People who make such blank statements are just announcing their ignorance to the world.

By getalife

October 15, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

OMG, RW spewed that Nazi crap.

Wow.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Midori and ITN, :-)

Remember, Midori - I like witches.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Bush cited as examples the need to “protect human life and safety against hazardous materials and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.”

This is the “read your mail” issue from earlier. If you’re sending mail that might be harmful to others or fits under the ‘foreign intelligence collection’ category, you should be concerned. Don’t flatter yourself, liberals, nobody wants to read your mail. If the feds need to read the mail or listen to the phone calls of suspected terrorists, I say great. If they want to expand that to your mail, they’ve crossed the line and I agree with you. Again, you’re stretching.

Still waiting on the merits of this socialist society you’re taking us to…

And, To Paul. We Republicans all agree with you. We’re sick of the vote buying by our side too. As I said earlier, our democracy has become nothing more than a vote buying scheme by both parties. Who can give more stuff for votes. That’s one of the main reasons Bush’s approval ratings are so low. The R’s are sick of his spending spree.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

RB, Another thing, if you want to debate socialism, you’ll need to provide which kind of socialism you would like for me to discuss so I can prepare.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Bush cited as examples the need to “protect human life and safety against hazardous materials and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.”

This is the “read your mail” issue from earlier. If you’re sending mail that might be harmful to others or fits under the ‘foreign intelligence collection’ category, you should be concerned. Don’t flatter yourself, liberals, nobody wants to read your mail. If the feds need to read the mail or listen to the phone calls of suspected terrorists, I say great. If they want to expand that to your mail, they’ve crossed the line and I agree with you. Again, you’re stretching.

Still waiting on the merits of this socialist society you’re taking us to…

And, To Paul. We Republicans all agree with you. We’re sick of the vote buying by our side too. As I said earlier, our democracy has become nothing more than a vote buying scheme by both parties. Who can give more stuff for votes. That’s one of the main reasons Bush’s approval ratings are so low. The R’s are sick of his spending spree.

By Jack is Back

October 15, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

RW is a Nazi! He must be related to the dozen or so skin head Nazis in Israel who were recently arrested. Perchance RW is their leader?

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

RB
Included in the 10th amendment:

Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

Knock yourself out. But, this does not give you the right to raise arms against the government of the United States of America. Revolt peacefully.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

In The News 3:38

“A long, twilight struggle between Dick Cheney and the forces of evil”

(italics) Between (close italics) VP Cheney and evil? So that means, VP Cheney is…. good? Battling for… good against… evil?

PBS is putting this on? Will wonders never cease?

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s drunk driving record and cocaine arrest are none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states’ rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

Clinton’s business interests in the 1970s in which he lost money are of vital national interest, but Bush’s activities in the 1980s in which he made mo

By mm

October 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse,I like your id. It’s what the GOP stands for. Did you replace DOOM?

RW, you are a legend in your own mind. You are as full of yourself as Bush himself. And always wrong as he is.

Along with Duh, Dusty, @@, and the other morons here, you prove why our country has been flushed down the toilet.

When are you clowns going to stop parroting the wingnut media goons and actually debate with your own thoughts?

Oh, I forgot, wingnuts don’t think for themselves. Just ask the wingnuts flaunting their own healthcare plan. Anything for a vote, right?

Too late.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

RB, So I’m assuming you want to me to answer the pros of socialism: Is that right?

Pros: 1) The government provides everything for the citizens of the country, so therefore everyone is equal and no one has to worry about basic needs.

That’s it. I don’t think there are any other pros - anybody else got one?

See, RB, you are so blinded by your ignorance that you assume all liberals are socialists and we love all things socialistic.

I’ll use one of RW’s terms: Your “knee jerk” response is to start arguing just for argue’s sake, when you don’t even know who you are talking to or what you are talking about. You made an assumption about me based on your incorrect beliefs about liberals in general.

Paul, Thanks for that link. I read that interview. My first gut instinct is for anyone wanting to leave the church is to not let the door hit their a$$ on the way out. But I understand the problems some people have with the interpretation of scripture, and I have to respect that. I just don’t agree. I do think it is a bit hypocritical for the African bishops to try and interfere with the church, and impose their beliefs on the church when our cultures are two totally different cultures, and the reasons behind their beliefs, whatever they may be, are very different. In other words, “Who the hell are they?” if I might be so blunt. Maybe it is time for the church to split. But you also have to remember during the mid-70s when the church started ordaining women - there was just as many people up in arms and threatening to leave and some did.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

PERFECT IN THE NEWS. PERFECT-TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN!!!!!

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Paul

Tomlinson Cited For Abuses at Broadcast Board

Don’t like PBS? Put a Republican in charge.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Oh, and I forgot to mention”

From RB:

“And, To Paul. We Republicans all agree with you.”

Wow, RB must be some big shot - he can speak for ALL Republicans. I knew Paul was good, but damn, he’s real good if all Republicans agree with him.

Paul, buddy, that’s a big job to have on your shoulders!

By RR

October 15, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Hmm, if the cartoonist showed any signs of understanding the issue, it might be funnier.

Facts, liberals = oil, water.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

In the News — don’t know whether you came up with the list yourself or found it elsewhere (and if it’s the latter, hopefully you will cite your source), but it’s great. Thank you.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

mm, Now remember, RW, did say something he believed at 1:06. And no matter what, even if we disagreed, we’d be little Nazis if we didn’t respect others beliefs.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

7:00 A.M. Monday morning flights out of Hartsfield SUCK. They sure make you drag in the afternoon.

By Joe in Orange, CT

October 15, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Great cartoon. Just shows how clueless the left is.

By H Konk

October 15, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Them darn Republicans hate everything. It was just awful when they put that big ball o’ fire in the sky.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Bosch,
You make socialism sound almost too good to be true.

Don’t leave people in charge of socialism because then it will never work right.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Good one, RR. You should submit that well-thought-out analysis of 4:00 to The New Yorker, or, at least, the New York Times editorial section.

By SickofitAll

October 15, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

The guy writes, “Draft Gore 08!”. I agree. *Send him all the way to the front lines, and see if his Nobel statue can save him from the shrapnel.

By MD

October 15, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Halsey and Bonnie Frost are intentionally underemployed. They may make between $40-$50K a year, but they are not without resources.

There are three generations of Frost family architectural work in the Smithsonian archives. Halsey Frost comes from Serious Money - his father, Corky Frost, is a regular contributor to his alma maters, Princeton and RISD. He is a principal in the architectural firm of Frost Associates…those in such positions regularly pull down seven figures a year.

Why on earth should taxpayer money fund health insurance for such people?

By nordstrom

October 15, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Beware. Michelle Malkin has directed her crazy followers of her Web site to vote en masse against this cartoon. I like it very much, by the way.

By One_American

October 15, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Typical leftist-speak from Mike Luckovich.

Too predictable to be humorous.

Too liberal to be trusted.

Too ignorant to be taken seriously.

Mike Luckovich should try a real job where he has to make something of value…

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

rushncap

there are several versions on the net

here is one link

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Hey Midori!

Regarding your 3:19, would that be a Dirt Devil or a full blown Hoover?

Too funny…

And speaking of which, “Wide stance” labors on in his inane attempts to clear his name:

{Sen. Larry Craig says he will file an appeal Monday over a judge’s refusal to allow him to withdraw his guilty plea stemming from his arrest in an airport bathroom sex sting.}

{In an interview Sunday with KTVB-TV, Craig repeated he will not resign his post in the Senate and said he will continue to work his legal options.}

And what to make of Mitt? First dogs and now Idahoans?

{The senator also discussed his relationship with Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Craig was Senate liaison for Romney’s campaign, a post he abandoned when the scandal came to light.}

{“I was very proud of my association with Mitt Romney,” Craig told Lauer. “… And he not only threw me under his campaign bus, he backed up and ran over me again.” }

The GOP - becoming more humorous every day.

By MD

October 15, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Halsey and Bonnie Frost are intentionally underemployed. They may make between $40-$50K a year, but they are not without resources.

There are three generations of Frost family architectural work in the Smithsonian archives. Halsey Frost comes from Serious Money - his father, Corky Frost, is a regular contributor to his alma maters, Princeton and RISD. He is a principal in the architectural firm of Frost Associates…those in such positions regularly pull down seven figures a year.

Why on earth should taxpayer money fund health insurance for such people?

By redc1c4

October 15, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

your cartoon is as inaccurate as the characters in it are shown being, but somehow i doubt you intended it to be either ironicly or satirically humorous, so we’ll just score it as another leftist “own goal”…..

thanks for the laugh!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Here’s a definition of socialism for you right out of Webster’s.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

The socialism we’re talking about here is the liberal mentality that those who have should pay for those who don’t and it’s the governments job to ensure this happens(collectivist principles). In the liberals world, nobody is ever responsible for themselves. So much of what the poor in this country deal with is self inflicted, yet somehow, it’s never their fault. If you really think these are hard working intelligent people who “just need a little help”, you’re nuts. We’ve created generational welfare recipients, and it’s never their fault. Well guess what, in most cases, it is their fault. Not in all cases, and I’m all for the safety net for those people, but that’s not what we’re talking about here and you know that.

And yes, Wal Mart does pay for healthcare benefits for employees. Not all employees, but you can’t tell me store managers don’t have healthcare benefits. So why can’t Johnny progress at Wal Mart beyond the cart collector job into one that has benefits? Maybe he only shows up for work 3 days a week and this is his 10th job in the last 12 months. Is it my fault he has no healthcare for himself and his 4 kids? Maybe Johnny needs to show up, do quality work, and move up to a position with benefits. And maybe Johnny shouldn’t have 4 kids he can’t pay for. And yes, I’ve hired a lot of people and seen countless Johnny’s send in applications.

We’re tired of the “it’s for the poor children” crying every time you try to expand another social program. How about teaching the “poor children” a lesson that may keep them from being “poor adults”? That lesson would be, “get an eduction, work hard, and you too can have the American dream”.

Bandit, I still want to know how many non family members you’re currently subsidising healthcare costs for. Let’s hear it. “We are rich. We can provide UHC and still be rich. Maybe even richer because we can stop worrying about our medical bills and get to work.” Are you kidding me? “WE” aren’t

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Oh, so that’s where all the new neo-cons are coming from.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

In the News,

You forgot that you also have to believe in a “small government” that will put you in jail for drugs, gambling and certain types of sex that we really need law enforcement to stop us from doing as much as we’d like to.

You also forgot to state that you must believe that that the lesson of Vietnam was that you can’t lose if you don’t quit and therefore that it would be a fine idea to still have people there dying because at least we wouldn’t have lost yet. In other words, we must have a strong Sisyphean foreign policy.

RWNJIFG

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Hey, whaddaya know! Malkin did get her tampon in a bunch over the cartoon. How cute! That little wh0re has nothing better to do than to amass her brainless minions to this blog.

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Ooops, RW violated blog rule #1, always fully explain yourself so that the dumb as-s liberals can understand:

{{{{By RW-(the original) October 15, 2007 1:06 PM Just an aside in case I seem a little more edgy than usual, I’m doing my 2006 taxes today.}}}}

For you parasite democrats, that means that once a year you have to add up all of the money you earned in the previous year (earned 1. To gain especially for the performance of service, labor, or work,) figure out deductions to that income (in·come 1. The amount of money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services) and then determine the taxes that you either owe (owe 1. to be under obligation to pay or repay) or are due to be refunded.

Now can you understand why he is a little snippy today?

O.K. you deadbeat bloodsuckers can go back to telling us how you would spend the tax money of other people.

Leeches.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Seinfeld’s on Oprah talking about his Bee Movie. Get it? Larry David’s latest Curbs really blow, and I cant believe this Bee movie can bee any good either. (get i?)

Seinfeld did say that he has to be a comedian because that’s what he is and what he is good at. I know how he feels. You have to be who you are, no matter what anyone says. I have to do standup. I have to talk about the little stuff that goes wrong every single day. Like take today. I had to mail a large letter. The post office was packed, so I used the automatic postal atm thing. I guess I made it mad. It pulled a gun and killed the people standing in line behind me. The postal machine went postal. I was lucky to get out of there alive!

alles sprechen

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Bosch,
I do not understand your comments from 3:53. You’re a Christian right? But you won’t associate with anyone who does not agree with your mores? Shouldn’t you pray for the man to come to a better understanding of life’s complexities?

He sounds to me like a good man who has his people’s best interests at heart. Maybe he is misguided, not by JC, but in his own failings?

By Dusty

October 15, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Awwwww, RW @ 1:26, you have insulted the love of my life…FRUITCAKE. I may never recover. (But you are absolutely right, RW !! Bookman is as nutty as a fruitcake, just like most of the libs here.)

I vanish into the evening as duty calls. But, tomorrow, I shall recover with great memorable words. Absolutely! For now, au revoir and bon nuit!

By EDH

October 15, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Who the heck is the kid suppoed to be?

Not one of the affluent Forst children. They were covered by the existing SCHIPS program that Bush supports.

Luckovich needs to get his smears straight.

By EDH

October 15, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Who the heck is the kid suppoed to be?

Not one of the affluent Frost children. They were covered by the existing SCHIPS program that Bush supports.

Luckovich needs to get his smears straight.

By EDH

October 15, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Who the heck is the kid suppoed to be?

Not one of the affluent Frost children. They were covered by the existing SCHIPS program that Bush supports.

Luckovich needs to get his smears straight.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Bosch,
Don’t think anything of me; I’m one to talk.

I’ll stick to politics and money; leave the religion to those who choose to participate.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Snippy?

What are we dealing with here, 12 year old girls?

Poor lamentable neo-cons, actually having to pay their taxes. How horrible.

Tisk, tisk, tisk…

If it weren’t for those “confiscators” in the government, all of this would be free.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Dang EDH, you gotta only say it once

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Dang EDH, you gotta only say it once

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Dang EDH, you gotta only say it once

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Dang EDH, you gotta only say it once

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Dang EDH, you gotta only say it once

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 15, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Hey Amvet, it’s nice down here today. Temp is close to 90.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

RB

I pay my taxes. I am a patriot.

I am not offering you any money. But here’s some advice on money:

Live below your means
Save first

Others on this blog follow this advice and are not complaining.

And here’s a tip:

Want to make a small fortune on the stock market?

Start with a large one.

By SLP

October 15, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

The Frost children were already covered by the SCHIP program.

The President wants to keep the program with a 5 billion dollar increase.

Harry Reid’s staff wrote a misleading speech for Graeme to read.

By getalife

October 15, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Welcome wingnuts from moonbat Michelle Malkin’s blog

We deal with reality here and her smear on this American 12 year old kid is disgusting and has been proven a lie.

I know you hate American children and love Iraqi welfare so feel to crawl back to your insane blog.

Losers.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

In The News 3:48

Substitute “coincided with America’s interests” or “opposed America’s interests” for “good” or “bad” regards Saddam/Iraq and you may be on to something.

You have to be a Republican to believe your statement about Cuba? You may want to check with the largely Democratic representatives in the greater Miami and ask them about their “Republican” ideas.

“Out of the UN” - I think that John Birch campaign ended, oh, 40 years ago.

“Slashing” veterans’ benefits and combat pay. Vets (those who served and are discharged) do not get combat pay. The poor care some vets get has been going on for decades. I think it’s more of pockets of poor performance rather than system-wide, though. As far a slashing combat pay for active forces - to what are you referring? Addressing officers who pop in and out of the zone for 30 days to get the tax benefit? Refining it so those people based, say in Turkey, who order supplies are treated just a tad differently than soldiers and Marines in Iraq who come under fire?

The rest - well, you get the drift.

Bosch 3:53

I’m generally not one for “if you don’t like it, leave” but I am sympathetic to the view of “this is who we are and what we believe. Don’t join then try to change core, fundamental doctrine.”

The quote “For us, Scripture judges every culture. What I hear in the Western World is that culture judges Scripture” is key. There’s a lot of truth in it.

When dealing with an organization like this, rather than a split and retention under a broad umbrella, I wonder if a complete break would be better. It’d be like some folks registering as Democrats, pouring in millions of dollars in campaigns, then attempting to change the party platform to neocon values. There wouldn’t be much talk about reconciliation.

I think some would address ordination of women just a bit differently than a change in behavior - please remember, I can easily view homosexuality as a state of being, separate from extramarital sexual activity. Chastity is a principle that applies to all.

your 3:58 - If all Republicans agree with me, there’re gonna be some pretty unhappy Republicans. And a whole lot of unhappy Democrats, too!

Sickofitall 4:11

Gore

By IN THE NEWS

October 15, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

{{{THE TOP TEN HEADLINES ON THE DEBUT OF FOX BUSINESS NEWS By Don Davis

Illegal Immigrants Threaten to Steal All the Hedge Fund Manager Jobs

Hillary Proposes to Socialize Social Security

Capital Gains Taxes Most Benefit the Bottom One Per Cent of Wage Earners

Thomas Friedman Endorses the Flat Tax in a Flat World

Supply-Side Economics Cures Genital Warts

The Millions of “Unemployed” During the Great Depression Were “Faking It”

Majorities Favor Individual Savings Accounts to Re-Build Public Infrastructure

Studies Show That Slave Labor Builds Character, Strong Backs

Gore’s Jihad Against Global Warming Threatens Reagan’s End of the Cold War

We Distort – You Watch the Lies

By Lucifer Sam

October 15, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Luckovich’s point is that Democrats should be allowed to use poster children (even very bad examples of poster children) to stifle debate. Since I’m a believer in free and open debate, it’s easy to dismiss this cartoon.

By Russ Jablosky

October 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

It’s telling that the dems march out a kid to make an argument that should be made by an adult.

And to Mr. Frost, a question: why did you father four children if you had no intention on providing for their needs?

By jimmy

October 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS 4:49

I almost fell out of my chair - that’s my line!

Not to mention what these ethanol subsidies, combined with increased overseas demand for our farm products, has done to food prices - in many cases, striking hard at some very poor nations.

By RE

October 15, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

GOP updated Beatitudes:

Blessed are the self sufficient, for to take a government handout is sinful.

Blessed are the money changers, for it is right and just to turn a profit

Blessed are the war makers, for it is good to kill those you do not understand

Blessed are the creative accountants, for it is good to avoid paying your debts

Blessed are the commentators, for it is easier to hide a lack of ideas behind a tantrum of indignation

Blessed are the ignorant, for they are easily led by anger and distrust

By RB from Gwinnett

October 15, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Interesting “pro” of socialism…

“Pros: 1) The government provides everything for the citizens of the country, so therefore everyone is equal and no one has to worry about basic needs.”

The problem is everyone isn’t equal and the government doesn’t have anything to provide except that which it takes from the people. This country was founded on freedom. That includes the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. Your choice. But when we get to this place in time when those who have decided to fail have the votes to continue to fail, but take the wealth of those who chose to succeed, we have a serious problem. Socialism is a step on the road to communism (where all are the same, supposedly) yet you can’t find a communist nation anywhere you might consider to be remotely successful. And if you’ve been to any socialist nations, you know first hand they’re slipping into third world status. It’s a slippery slope, liberals, and the outcome won’t change no matter how much you wish it to be. Socialism saps the life out of the people who make things happen (those who chose to succeed).

By One_American

October 15, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Liberal Democrats are just like the terrorists;

Full of hate speech, and always using children as human shields.

You’re not fooling anyone, moonbats.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh says: “O.K. you deadbeat bloodsuckers can go back to telling us how you would spend the tax money of other people.”

I’d be glad to. We should spend other people’s money on health care for every Afghan and Iraqi. We should spend other people’s money on Blackwater. We should spend other people’s money by handing out 6 billion dollars in cash in Iraq and then not accounting for it. We should spend other people’s money by building a glorious Jeffersonian Democracy in Iraq through military force. We’re spending other people’s money at around 20 billion per month and I hope that continues for quite some time. So when we wingers are doing our taxes we should do it with a big smile on our face knowing that our money is going to a cause of our choice for once.

What would really upset me is if it were going to pay for sick American kids. Don’t they know there are sick people in Afghanistan and Iraq who need socialized medicine?

RWNJIFG

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Okay, lets give these wingnuts a dose of their own medicine.

“The WSJ editorial board has jumped in and called the Malkinites: “The Internet Mob“

Unfortunately, that narrative was bolstered this week by some conservative bloggers. After the Schip veto, Democrats chose a 12-year-old boy named Graeme Frost to deliver a two-minute rebuttal. While that was a political stunt, the Washington habit of employing “poster children” is hardly new. But the Internet mob leapt to some dubious conclusions and claimed the Frost kids shouldn’t have been on Schip in the first place. As it turns out, they belonged to just the sort of family that a modest Schip is supposed to help.”

Losers.

By Cheryl

October 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

I don’t get it. Is it supposed to be funny? Do I need to drink kool-aid first?

By Paul

October 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

sickofitall 4:11

“The guy writes, “Draft Gore 08!”. I agree. *Send him all the way to the front lines, and see if his Nobel statue can save him from the shrapnel.”

Sorry for the dropped response earlier. It was:

Gore did see the front lines. I think it was called “The US Army in VietNam.”

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

“Maddow: “Twelve year old Graeme Frost, meet Cindy Sheehan, meet 9/11 widows, meet Staff Sgt. Brian McGough, meet Michael J. Fox, meet the kids who were targeted by Mark Foley, meet Jack Murtha. I mean, Graeme Frost as a twelve year old now joins an esteemed list of Americans who have been personally attacked, personally slimed, called liars and cowards and frauds, and threatened for daring to publicly espouse a view that the right disagrees with. I mean, just when you think you’ve found the person who they can’t possibly slime, I don’t know, say a twelve year old kid just out of a coma, turns out yeah, the bar does actually go that low, it’s just astonishing.”

Scum.

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

“What these right wing bloggers and some of their Republican friends in Washington have done to this family is simply unconscionable. Instead of attacking the issue, they decided to attack a 12-year old boy. This entire smear campaign by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and their allies has been a perverse distraction from the issue at hand - the plight of millions of uninsured children in this country. It also needs to be remembered that the Frosts were viciously attacked for simply speaking their minds and voicing their support for the SCHIP program that was so instrumental in saving the lives of their children. From the Frosts’ perspective, what could be more American?”

“Malkin says debating Ezra would be a waste of time… Anyone surprised?”

Coward.

By Cheryl

October 15, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

I don’t get it. Is it supposed to be funny? Do I need to drink kool-aid first?

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

“John Amato:

This is just sick, but not surprising coming from her. On 04/17/06—I broke the story that she posted the phone numbers of some UC Santa Cruz students over the issue of military recruitment on campus and they received a ton of death threats as a result. A few right wing bloggers were so appalled that they de-linked her.

She endangered the life of Jamil Hussein, when she tried to discredit this AP report. The AP then responded: “AP executive editor rips into bloggers who have now endangered Jamil Hussein’s life.”

Not to mention that she posted Cindy Sheehan’s divorce records to smear her…more reactions to that here.

Digby has more:

This is so loathsome I am literally sick to my stomach. These kids were hurt in a car accident. Their parents could not afford health insurance — and sure as hell couldn’t get it now with a severely handicapped daughter. And these shrieking wingnut jackasses are harassing their family for publicly supporting the program that allowed the kids to get health care. A program, by the way, which a large number of these Republicans support as well.

They went after Michael J. Fox. They went after a wounded Iraq war veteran. Now they are going after handicapped kids. There is obviously no limit to how low these people will go…”

Pathetic.

By Benson

October 15, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

If the kid in the cartoon is supposed to be Graeme Frost, it’s inaccurate. Regardless of Bush’s veto, he still would’ve received the same amount of help under SCHIP.

And unlike the attacks the Left did on John Roberts’ little boy, the right’s were not aimed at the little boy, but investigating the need the family actually has for SCHIP.

Turns out they have 3 late model vehicles, a 3,000 SQFT home, send their kids to private school, the parents only work “part time” and “intermittently”, and the grandparents are successful New York architects. They also have a $160,000 commercial property.

By Marco

October 15, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Malkin linked her Gathering of A-holes to this site, so don’t be surprised by all the whining, crying and lying going on.

That’s how wingnuts roll. They valiantly fight children and when that blows up in their face, cry victim and send the flying monkeys into action.

Keep those votes coming, wingnuts. I am sure a huge NO votes somehow validates the actions of Michelle and co. on this one. Keep dreaming.

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Geraldo :

“Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life,” he says. “She actually believes that neighbors should start snitching out neighbors, and we should be deporting people.

Wow, that’s pretty harsh. And it gets better:

“It’s good she’s in D.C. and I’m in New York,” Rivera sneers. “I’d spit on her if I saw her.”

Bwa.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Paul,
I thought you were making a joke: front lines, shrapnel, [g]ore.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

One American says: “Liberal Democrats are just like the terrorists.”

In reality they are much worse. At least terrorists believe in God and they think that God should have a more prominant role in government. Once you strip away the Islam thing and the chopping heads off stuff they are really more like us than liberals anyway. Anyone who has read conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s book about how liberals brought on 9/11 knows that the terrorists really hate the libs and have more in common with conservatives. I thought the book was very informative and inspired. It inspired me to promote the idea that we should kill the libs since we know who they are so thet that terrorists won’t feel the need to attack us and get one of us by accident.

RWNJIFG

By Mark Scott

October 15, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you Mike. As the master manipulator once pointed out, if you repeat a lie long enough, eventually it will be taken as fact.

While Michelle Malkin can sometimes be over the top in her commentary, this time it is the lefties that are spinning the truth.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Hey John,

It is also sweet here today. About 80 with a ton of sun! This is one of the best times of year to live in Hotlanta!

Just got back from St. Augustine last week and had a fantastic time. The surf was up!

By RE

October 15, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Interesting to see the new names over here, I suppose from the Malkin website.

I thought the right wing regulars here were devoid of reason and independant thought, now seeing the new folks, I guess they were not so bad afterall.

By L.N. Smithee

October 15, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Luckovich is a lying, hypocritical punk. Who’s smearing whom? GEORGE W. BUSH DID NOT “VETO” GRAEME FROST’S HEALTH CARE, he vetoed an expansion of the program that would have covered the Frost family ANYWAY. That’s what the GOP, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh (victim of another left-wing smear) and others informed the public. They have the courage to be called insensitive if that’s what it takes for THE TRUTH to be revealed.

If you are reading this and don’t know that’s the truth, congratulations: you’re a dupe (and that includes some Republicans). Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi fooled you. If you know the truth and think Luckovich’s cartoon is cool, congratulations: You’re a liar.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman a fruitcake? He’s one of the best writers I’ve ever read. Of course hacks would call him a fruitcake, the way a helmet wearing shortbus rider would make fun of the football team. “They’re all nerds, man”.

Pathetic. Dusty, you have very little writing talent. Very. Little. Writing. Talent. The other idiot is so far gone, I’m not even going to say it.

Jay Bookman can write. You two stuntwits cant.

alles sprechen

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Hey wingnuts, here is your cheerleader

She is a better cheerleader than w.

Bwa.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit 5:13

Naw, the bulk of the post was a quote from sickofitall at 4:11.

I just responded Gore has seen the front lines - VietNam.

BTW - good advice at 4:48. Goes right along with “No matter how much you make, you can always find a way to spend more.”

AmVet

Welcome back to reality!

Such as it is -

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

RB, DUH! I’ve been baiting you all day for that response. Where did I say I’m a socialist? Where did I say that I think pure socialism is the best political ideology. I didn’t. Like I said earlier, you make sweeping assumptions based on inaccurate information. You were trying to compare apples to oranges.

You didn’t ask for my analysis of the cons of socialism because it would have been something along the lines of:

Cons: 1) paying for it.

You asked for the merits of socialism - a very general assumption that there is such a thing as pure socialism anywhere. There isn’t.

Your WalMart employee analysis is too ignorant for comment. So it’s the employees fault for not being more successful that he doesn’t have health insurance? You have absolutely no sense of reality.

Beltway, I don’t think that. I’m talking specifically about the US Episcopal church.

Paul, I think you know me well enough to know that I don’t think we should take the stance of love them or leave them. I think your metaphor of joining the Democrat party and trying to change it is right on target. It just frustrates me that the African bishops are interfering and trying to create a tear in the church instead of working to unite. I think it is very counterintuative (?sp) to their purpose. I think the church has come to the point that there is such a divide in beliefs that there will almost have to be a break. Personally, I would have a big problem having a bishop dictate church doctrine from another country or culture (even Rowan Williams), but if that is what some want, so be it. I respect their interpretations of the scripture, like I said, I don’t agree with it.

By Luckoduh

October 15, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Geraldo?

{{{{By getalife October 15, 2007 5:12 PM “Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life,” he says. “I’d spit on her if I saw her.”}}}}

Uh, wouldn’t spitting on a woman be vile and hateful, duh?

You libs got body slammed by hot little bitty Michelle, she single handedly revealed you kowards as nothing but a bunch of spineless wonders, hiding behind a twelve year old in your never ending quest to suck America dry.

Parasites.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

RB,
About ‘the “read your mail” issue,’ the constitution does not provide for trust. It provides checks and balances. When I hear a president proclaim the right to open mail without a warrant, but only mail “that might be harmful to others”; I don’t trust him.

I trust the checks and balances.

By Bosch

October 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

One more comment before I sign off:

New Wingnuts: You only have to hit the post button once.

I guess Buy Danish got tired of being the lone voice - welcome new wingnuts.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Hey Bosch

A religious question for you:

If soccer’s the “best” sport then why isn’t it in the Bible while baseball is?

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Leaping lizards.

Lots of “good little germans” posting today.

Hey wingnuts,

Gullible much?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Malkin should be commended for her courage. I haven’t seen that sort of courage since O’Reilly took that Shawn Hornbeck kid to task. You know that kid was just lovin’ being a hostage to a sexual deviant who threatened to kill him and used him as his sex slave on a daily basis. I mean you need wingers like these who have the courage to get the truth out.

And let me be the first to say that Graeme Frost is the offspring of Hillary and Satan. He has the mark of the beast (“666”) and that he will rise to power on the coattails of his evil but powerful mother. This is why we must put his personal info on the Internet so that if anyone happens to be in possession of the seven daggers of Megiddo then they can go destroy the Anti-Christ child before its too late.

RWNJIFG

By getalife

October 15, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

duh,

Why are you not blogging at her blog?

You fit in well with the rest of the “good little germans”.

By rushncap

October 15, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

No, Lucko, spitting on Malkin would not be vile or hateful. It would be doing her a favor.

By C. Anderson

October 15, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

The current qualifications for the SCHIP healthcare program for children are outrageous. The poster family the Graeme’s are certainly well enough to afford healthcare but have chosen not to. If this family has the assets I have read they have, why are they not being taken into consideration as they do for Medicaid qualifications to receive SCHIP benefits. Give me a legitimate example of someone who is being deprived. If this is it, it is not valid at all. In my opinion, these people should be paying for their own. It seems to me that the Democratic party does not believe in any personal responsibility at all. Perhaps they want us to become like these socialistic countries that have deteriorated. This government dependence will certainly ensure that.

By monk

October 15, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

I think you could have done a better job depicting the intense nastiness that is Michelle Malkin. As for Limbaugh, you might have conveyed a more strung out on oxycontin look to him.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 15, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ohh —

So “Elvira Mistress Malkin” brings her demented hatemongers to spew their vile and bile today…. How wonderful!…

Yep right wingers would rather have their money spent on death, destruction, and fattening their wallets while world conquering,

—- rather than ——

Caring for people, life, health, and the quality of life benefits to this nation’s citizens (who pay their taxes for such advantages within this country).

I’m sorry — but please tell me again —- Just why are we spending our taxes on Iraq, rather than health care in this country?—

And we are talking a serious number of billions being spent monthly in Iraq while only talking a few billion increase on a national health care plan for 5 years.

Heck - the increase that Bush vetoed will barely cover inflation in 5 years on this program. The Schipp is sinking! And no one cares!

No — I just don’t get it — I don’t understand why the GOP and neocon loons care more for death, hatred, and destruction, rather than the well being of our own country’s citizens. The same citizens that have spent their hard earned dollars in various taxes for this government to do it’s job and make sure it’s citizens were taken care of first.

Yes you shout “Why should the rich pay for this?”. Well I remind you that the poor are in larger numbers and pay taxes too every time they buy that beer and cigarette pack. Yes the total taxes by Poor and Middleclass add up quite a few pennies. They pay too!

But you don’t see the rich complain about socialism when they get a corporate subsidy do you? Or a no-bid government contract —- Nooo that socialism is good as long as it fattens their wallet..

The GOP has definitly become the party of disgusting hate — and Malken is a perfect neocon warmonger and hate mistress to lead their vile blog armies to such a shallow and immaterial victory. Yes - mass your vote and distort the facts so you can cheer how great you are and pat yourselves on the back.

Enjoy the vote today here! But as you can see from many past toons — Mike L’s work is loved by many more reasonable and honest people than any of you lying and dishonest blowhard bloggers…

Just remember — Divided We Fall!

And we shall if this garbag

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,
It’s just that you got cut off. Plain to see that you meant to say more, but it worked as a sick pun.

Bosch,
I didn’t mean anything. You don’t need to explain to the likes of me. You’re a reasonable person and I got your point.

All, I appreciate the opportunity to participate in the blog.

By dogbreath

October 15, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

it does not make sense like most the crap that comes from libbies.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

CNN just reported that OJ Simpson snitched on his neighbor for watering the lawn on an even day against the rules.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

One more thing RB,
Do you like apples?

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Paul, thanks for the welcome back to “reality”!

And what a reality it is!

Much gnashing of teeth, but I’ll be damned if I know why?!

The “war” is going swimmingly, oil is approaching $90/bbl. and global warming has been proven a myth.

Drink up everyone!

By L. Davis

October 15, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

The left, i.e. Democrats have been undermining our troops throughout this war and before. It is the worst kind of hypocrisy to attack Limbaugh on this issue and they know it. It is a way of ‘shutting down’ anyone with whom they disagree.

By RE

October 15, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Has anyone out there that is calling out the family of this 12 year old kid actually tried to get health insurance privately.

How about with a preexisting condition?

Or are all you guys on the group health plan at work and don’t realize what it is like to try to get private health insurance. If you have a preexisting condition, you are denied coverage for anything relating to that condition, do you know that, or just spouting off?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 15, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

-=-

amvet —

I believe that’s called the “War on the Environment” Aka Project Enron!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

The only thing I can think of that is more disgusting than sending a 12 yo old out to read a pack of lies on radio would be to send a former General out to read a pack of lies to the entire world so that when he retired from public life he says that it was his worst moment as a public servant. Now that would be a slimy scummy thing to do. I’m also sure only a lib could do such a thing.

RWNJIFG

By Paul

October 15, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

AmVet

I just received some pics via email - prob on a mil blog site somewhere - one of the new MRAPS (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle) that got hit by a 500lb IED. Engine was blown out, lots of damage - and the crew walked out. A 500 lb airdrop bomb has a kill radius of what - 750 feet? Even if it wasn’t a 500 pounder it’s still a great survival story. Believe it or not, some people are criticizing the price we’re paying for them. Some people are never happy.

By tanksoldier

October 15, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

I provide health insurance for my family. Why should I pay to provide it for someone else’s family as well?

Neither side is doing enough to protect this country and the working people who are it’s heart and soul. The Republicans want illegal immigrants for their cheap labor. Liberals want them because they hope to wrangle a way for them to vote and then buy those votes with bread and circuses… the way liberals have bought the votes of welfare proles for years.

Meanwhile our troops fight a war with one hand tied behind their backs, liberal media slandering them at every turn, while treasonous sacks of crap like Jane Fonda, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry freely walk the streets and even hold elected office while spitting upon the oaths they have sworn and the nation they supposedly serve.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Right Wing Nut Job

Who was the general - Sanchez?

By tanksoldier

October 15, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

I provide health insurance for my family. Why should I pay to provide it for someone else’s family as well?

Neither side is doing enough to protect this country and the working people who are it’s heart and soul. The Republicans want illegal immigrants for their cheap labor. Liberals want them because they hope to wrangle a way for them to vote and then buy those votes with bread and circuses… the way liberals have bought the votes of welfare proles for years.

Meanwhile our troops fight a war with one hand tied behind their backs, liberal media slandering them at every turn, while treasonous sacks of crap like Jane Fonda, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry freely walk the streets and even hold elected office while spitting upon the oaths they have sworn and the nation they supposedly serve.

By Marco

October 15, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Oh, and I would like to thank miss Michelle for introducing me to this site. I will be visiting more often.

Michelle’s anchor babies (I think that’s what she calls her regular blog visitors) may have won the cartoon fight , but they’ll never fight in Iraq.

By Jill Benson

October 15, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

The news about the colorectal cancer death rates going down is encouraging. Katie Courek must be proud. She’s publicized early treatment for years. Did you know that there are hundreds of cancers types? Subspecies. Oddball genetic hybrids. I did not know that. It means cancer is not what we thought it was, and that cancer itself is still undefined, that is, how can a mammal’s body be defined that explains unregulated division of cells? My wife’s oncologist (cancer specialist) has said that in her 17 years, she has never seen a cancer story like my wife’s. There were three different cancers in one of her breasts. These cancers survived a year of chemo-therapy and radiation. Two of the cancers appeared in just six months between catscans. She’s baffled and insists we get a second opinion. My wife is due for a series of catscans to see if the cancer has spread. That’s tomorrow. Pins and needles here. I dont want to go forward all alone. I’ll become a priest if I’m alone.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

PNAC, and considering that our “green” “conservative” “friends” are the ones whose political forebears gave us the War on Drugs and the Contract on, er with, America, it is not surprising!

Not to mention Tricky Dick and Spiro, the godfather of Dick Cheney.

That is good news, Paul. Yet, I remember reading where the Army actually fought against getting the MRAPs for several reasons. I’m glad some sense has prevailed and there are some now in-country.

But IMHO it is way past time to get those guys out of that meat grinder.

Support the Troops, Not the War.

By David Nobles

October 15, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

What an incredible JOKE you people liberal freaks are. You’re head is so far _ _ _, that you don’t even know how many people see AJC and just laugh. You’re 100% biased and you think you’re fooling everyone like some pathological liar. And that is not your only pathology. “Objective,” you need to look the word up. I’m laughing @ you now. Ask a Psychologist what that means.

By RE

October 15, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Spitting on Oaths:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Lets see, 4th,5th, 6th and 8th amendments are gutted, VP is no longer part of the executive branch, but not part of the legislative either, Congress writes the laws, but the president can rewrite them with a “signing statement”, Habeus Corpus? well not anymore.

Spitting on an oath? 35 words and he can’t keep them.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 2:44,

{{{{{Do you eat your own food that you grow in your yard or do you buy food at the supermarket? Have you ever bought ANYTHING from Wal-Mart?}}}}}

I understand your silly “socialism is good because we have fire stations” arguments, but what do those two questions have to do with the rest of them?

Fire and police protection are government services, but they are provided across the board and there is no opt-in/opt-out side to them. We have decided we want these services and we pay taxes accordingly. Do you want to claim we’re a socialist country because we have a government controlled military too? Pretty ridiculous arguments, even for a liberal to make.

If you want to compare that to health care then you have to have across the board government health care for provided by the government with no choices for the citizenry either if you want to have an apples to apples comparison.

As for corporate CEO’s or the employees of their companies losing the right to vote if the company gets government subsidies. NO. Only an individual that is having the government take money out of the pocket of someone that earned it and giving it to them.

You shouldn’t be able to vote yourself a share of someone else’s earnings. Once you get off the dole you get your voting rights back.

Subsidies to business or agricultural concerns are something I would like to see done away with for the most part along with getting rid of most government regulation of the free market.

When did people in this country turn against the concept of freedom?

(m)ental (m)idget @ 3:51,

I’ll take all that caterwauling to mean that you were unable to back your claim that Democrats were trying to cut spending.

By David Nobles

October 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

What an incredible JOKE you people liberal freaks are. You’re head is so far _ _ _, that you don’t even know how many people see AJC and just laugh. You’re 100% biased and you think you’re fooling everyone like some pathological liar. And that is not your only pathology. “Objective,” you need to look the word up. I’m laughing @ you now. Ask a Psychologist what that means.

By db

October 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Nobody—yes, to include children—has a RIGHT to health care. If you want a product or service provided by another person, you have to pay for it.

In the case of children, their parents have to pay. If the parents are unable to pay, they can ask for assistance but they do not have a right to demand that I help them.

By David Nobles

October 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

What an incredible JOKE you people liberal freaks are. You’re head is so far _ _ _, that you don’t even know how many people see AJC and just laugh. You’re 100% biased and you think you’re fooling everyone like some pathological liar. And that is not your only pathology. “Objective,” you need to look the word up. I’m laughing @ you now. Ask a Psychologist what that means.

By tanksoldier

October 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

I provide health insurance for my family. Why should I pay to provide it for someone else’s family as well?

Neither side is doing enough to protect this country and the working people who are it’s heart and soul. The Republicans want illegal immigrants for their cheap labor. Liberals want them because they hope to wrangle a way for them to vote and then buy those votes with bread and circuses… the way liberals have bought the votes of welfare proles for years.

Meanwhile our troops fight a war with one hand tied behind their backs, liberal media slandering them at every turn, while treasonous sacks of crap like Jane Fonda, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry freely walk the streets and even hold elected office while spitting upon the oaths they have sworn and the nation they supposedly serve.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,
Powell.

Tanksoldier,
I want the immigrants here to live and prosper, make money, have children…

To increase the tax base so we can afford universal health care.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh @ 4:22,

Thanks for the attempt at clearing that tax thing up for the bloodsuckers, but as you can see from subsequent comments it was a waste of time since they don’t know the difference between PAYING and FILING.

Here’s a tip in case any of you moonbat(ic)s® ever do something like opening a real business or even getting a decent job. You can wait this late to provide the government with your paperwork, but they better already have your money.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Jill Benson 6:20

The best with you and your wife. You may want to contact MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX. It’s a medical center the size of a city. You can investigate and apply online. They have leading-edge treatments, experimental options in unusual cases, options many other treatment centers don’t seem to be aware of. People come to them from all over the world. I can’t say enough good things about those people and the care they offer.

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

RE,

It would appear to me that you are the biggest dumba$$ on this blog. I mean really, why would you think that anyone is interested in your garbage? Don’t you have a dog to molest?

By tanksoldier

October 15, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Spitting on an oath? 35 words and he can’t keep them.

Ummm… which doesn’t address the point about protecting the country, Illegal immigration or Fonda, Pelosi and Kerry being traitors. I assume you agree with my points there?

As for GWB, I don’t think he’s aggressive enough in fighting the war AND I don’t like most of what he’s done with creating the DHS, wiretapping and the rest. On the other hand he hasn’t perjured himself before Congress, had a photo shoot on an enemy antiaircraft gun or treated with the enemies of the United States… all of which Pelosi, Fonda and Kerry have done.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Paul,

No not Sanchez. He’s a phony general. (Please do not take this out of context by repeating it to people who might be offended.)

I was thinking of a bigger stage. One where the whole world would be watching. The General I had in mind would be much more famous and perhaps even be a cabinet member. Maybe a Sec. of State. This is the sort of person I was referencing who would be sent out to lie by evil liberals.

RWNJIFG

By db

October 15, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

If you think health care should be “free” have the decency to admit that you have the right to force people to spend the hours of their days working for you.

One man’s life is not for you to dispose of, no matter how noble you think the goal is.

By RE

October 15, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

I assume RW will not be voting this year if:

he has a savings acct in an FDIC insured bank

Has a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac backed mortgage loan

Drives on a government road.

Mails or recieves a letter through the USPS

buys USDA inspected Food

Buys FDA inspected drugs

flies on an FAA regulated airline

sails on a army corps of engineers administered waterway

drinks city water

uses city trash

It would be like picking the pockets of all the hardworking taxpayers for RW to bilk the system with these extravagances.

By Beltway Bandit

October 15, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

RW,
I think Bosch has gone for the night so let me have a shot at this one.

You’re right. Police/fire protection are not free. We pay taxes. We elect people to determine how to spend those dollars of ours. They decide that other services are important too. Roads, armies, safe drugs, schools (even for the childless), safe food, etc. We didn’t vote on the priorities we voted on the leaders who decided what was important.

If you don’t like the way the leaders are spending your money you get to elect others as leaders. “Throw the bums out.”

We’re doing it in Virginia, you can too.

By Paul

October 15, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

RW Nut Job

I see the context in which you mean “phony” I believe.

I was not swayed by his “can’t challenge” excuse. Resignation is an honorable alternative. But the lure of the next star or the next command seems too much for many. Then they retire, get religion, write books and get speaking fees.

BTW - I agree with much of what he said about some of the politicians. I also believe many general officers bear heavy responsibility.

By Left Wing NutRoot In Full Blooming Ignorance

October 15, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Gather around, little Kos Kiddies, cause I got a great idea on how we can further expand our Beloved and Blessed Government.

What we need to do is to expand Medicare Part D by 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars so that it covers our Saviors in Hollywood, not only would we be growing our Beloved and Blessed Government, we would also be paying back the ninnies like Alec Baldwin and al-Gore for their tireless efforts in scaring all of the rubes that live in Jesusland with horrifying tales of a half a degree rise in temperature at the end of the next century.

Plus, I got the perfect trap we can set for the Republicans when they go to veto this monstrosity.

See, my boy has fallen on hard times, his last job interview ended with the boss of the convenience store told him “that he’d never thought he’d live long enough to see a high school graduate of the public education system that was too stupid to remember how to spell his own name, but by God, here he was sitting before him,” to which my boy answered “yes, but I can put on a condom and tell the customers what a great president Bill Klintoon was and how he much he respected women.” The boss scoffed at him and told him to get a job as a democrat voter where stupidity was a requirement.

See, my boy has this really serious Methadone problem, thanks to the liberals at the free clinic, and we can just trot him out on stage after Bush speaks and say that the meanie Republicans want him to buy his own smack.

Really, can Bush be that heartless and hate children so much that he would leave those youngs uns in Bel Air without Medicare coverage?

Why, he’s just evil!

By Ali-Bubba

October 15, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

As an Atlanta native, I’m old enough to remember when cartoons in the AJC were funny.

Also, I remember when the AJC had columnists who were good, like Lewis Grizzard.

A once-great American newspaper has slid into irrelevance ….

By RE

October 15, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse,

Thanks for your thoughtful insight.

Tank soldier,

Your right, lets impeach Fonda right away.

Just for a goof, tell me how you think we should be fighting this war, please include who we are fighting, were they are, and what we will win.

By Pete

October 15, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Interesting comic, only problem is it has nothing to do with reality. The left was caught lying about this child’s family situation and instead of admitting guilt they now point the finger at the people who had the gall to look at the facts. Liberal’s like this have a problem where they believe they are always right, and anybody that disagrees with them must be an evil republican. Better luck next time trying to pull a fast one like this, the blogosphere has caught up with the times and it’s not as easy anymore to get away with lies like this.

By @@

October 15, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Dragging a 12-year old kid into the lion’s den of politics was “tacky” to say the least. Graeme Foster’s eligibility under SCHIP was not in jeopardy regardless of what the Democrats would have us believe. Knowing that while exploiting Graeme leads me to question their motives and then proclaim……A FOUL!!!!!!

odor in the air.

Is that SOB Putin going to Iran or not?

(((At this point, it remains unclear whether Putin has canceled his trip or has simply delayed it. (The summit does not occur until Oct. 16.) It also is not clear why he would do either, though on Oct. 14 rumors surfaced of an assassination plot against Putin in Tehran. The Iranians are claiming (somewhat desperately) that the visit is still on and Putin is merely delayed. A few hours after insisting for most of the day that the visit was still on, Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, speaking from Tehran, said simply and without elaboration: “There is no information that the visit is still planned.”)))

There’s speculation that Putin may have concocted the story so he could appear macho in the face of danger. Surely not…childish games in politics?

It just can’t be true….or can it?

Let’s ask Graeme.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

RE,

Are you really as clueless as Bosch? Never mind, I already know.

Comments from Michelle’s blog. SOme of you are mentioned,

{{{{{I looked at a few comments, incredable ignorance. One poster, borsh I think, actually said: “in socialism all people are equal”}}}}}

There’s another reference to the ignorant POS that called her a lady of the evening although used a vulgar slur for it and there’s another that says liberals are mental midgets although I don’t think they were talking about our very own (m)ental (m)idget specifically.

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe that RWBJIFG and RE actually wants us to believe that they’re two different people. This ignoramous has nothing better to do with its time other than to harass intelligent people like RW and fake like their a friend of Paul’s. I just can’t believe it.

By AmVet

October 15, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

The GOP identity crisis/free fall continues to deepen.

All the Republican candidates seem to talk about these days is the Democrats. Or what it means to be a “real” Republican.

It is going to be a laugh riot to see who is desperate enough to run to the coattails of Ronald Reagan the quickest!

But unless they can get Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd to make yet another sequel to “Back to the Future”, that sh!t ain’t gonna get it with the American voters anymore.

Ouch for the GOP.

I predict a second straight Republican bloodbath coming in November 2008.

But then they’ve worked hard to earn it.

By RE

October 15, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

I accept your lack of belief

By Paul

October 15, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse

Point of clarification: I don’t so much look at it as “friendship” as enjoyable discussion, agreement, disagreement, learning, exploring with people. With some it can get a bit challenging but there are still underlying issues revealed. RW-(the original) - getalife - Bosch - RE - rushncap - Dusty - @@ - Buy Danish - and many others - I can agree, disagree, revise an opinion, gain a new insight - it seems to be the nature of the blogosphere.

But yes some people are “nicer” than others. Some are irascible. Some are extremely passionate in their opinions. Some are even passionate in their opinions supported by facts. All in all, it’s a pretty neat place.

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Beltway Bandit,

What is going on here on the blog is the typical daily obfuscation of the issues. They would have you believe that what I have said is that we shouldn’t have welfare, when what I’ve actually said is that we should go over every case with a fine tooth comb to make sure it’s really necessary. I also added that people on the dole shouldn’t be allowed to vote until they have gotten off the dole. I would certainly be willing to waive that for anyone that was disabled or in a condition that would make it impossible for them to get off the dole.

So it starts with Bosch’s list and a few lib cheeleaders and moves on to RE with his list of government services.

It’s a silly game but these guys aren’t very intelligent.

By RE

October 15, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

AmVet

The gop is good at getting elected, it is just that they are very bad at governing. That is where the whole government is bad thing comes from, because when the GOP is in charge, it usually is.

By @@

October 15, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Whoa nellie!!! AntiRadical was harsh with his 11:23.

I can remember when my husband and I first started out. In need of the necessities - kitchen, linens, washer and dryer, furniture and that doesn’t even include mortgage and utilities.

Injured animals on the side of the road? I picked ‘em up, carried them to the vet and paid out of pocket for pins in broken joints. Litters of puppies dumped? I picked ‘em up…fed and cared for them until I could find them a home.

Anybody that asked for help, be they stranger or acquaintance, I was ready with whatever they needed. Usually money. Those “Will work for food folks” never seemed to want a loaf of bread or a trip to the grocery store.

All of this done during my hiatus from religion - the one we all experience in our twenties.

Had it not been for my husband, older and more pragmatic; we would have ended up on welfare due to my naïveté in such matters.

(((And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best (Philippians 1:9-10)))

By Apocalypse

October 15, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

RE(RWBJIFG),

Be yourself dude(or dudette). There’s nothing wrong with just expressing how you feel concerning politics. As RE you’re more authentic. Moronic, but more authentic. As that other fake a$$ ID: RWNJIFG, you sarcastically pose as a right winger which is not what you are. I know that Doom used to antagonize you, but I prefer a more gentle approach. Don’t be afraid to face your enemies and I know you will come through with the truth.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

October 15, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse,

How could you confuse me with a lib? I hate libs! I want to kill the libs!!!

How many times do I have to spout ridiculously outrageous and stupid winger logic and sentiment before I can get some respect as a right wing nut job? All of you do it every day and nobody questions your sincerity.

Well, I won’t be deterred. I will keep agreeing with you whether you like it or not.

RWNJIFG

By Mary

October 15, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

* Katrina FLOODING BADD* ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TSUNAMI GOOD

Hide the children…the democrats want to send them to IRAQ!!

By getalife

October 15, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

WTF, they did not mention me at that wingnut blog.

Damn, I should of used “joewilson”.

I thing is for sure, I have been banned on all wingnut blogs, so there is no freedom of speech on their blogs.

Freedom of speech ruled this blog until duh gave us the rules but it is still much better than any wingnut blog.

By RE

October 15, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Yeah, but I got my business taxes done a month and a half before you did.

And did you just advocate increasing the size of government by adding an additional layer of beuracracy to an already slow system? (welfare)

By RW-(the original)

October 15, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

No RE, I would privatize it. In fact we could just get you clowns to march them out as human shields and let the blogosphere vet them. <———-That second sentence is sarcasm.

Sorry getalife, If I had access to Michelle’s commenting I would go over there and tell them what a vicious lib you are. If Hot Air picks it up I’ll make you a celebrity.

By JR

October 16, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

I think a far more humorous cartoon would be one that lampoons the knee-jerk, ignorant, leftist morons that post to your site. The shrill hysteria and name calling that arises out of what should be sensible debate is beyond infantile. Grow up!

By Steve

October 16, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

While I agree I’ve not seen a lot to be optimistic about from the Republican party so far I’ve seen equally less from the Dem’s. What in the world makes you people think Hillary ot Obama are even qualified to lead this nation??? That’s not to say the Rep’s are showing someone either. If one party or the other dosn’t step up soon and put someone out there we can all get behind I fear this country will be heading for the toilet faster than it already is. People find it easy to bash President Bush but I tell you this, these have been trying times for all and at least he stood up and did the job. If we liked it or not he made desicions and followed through with them. The problem is that the whole system is busted from health care and social security to the tax system in America. The tax system is easy to fix (Fair Tax)but would require open minds from both sides. Problem there is to many politicians making too much money off special intersts to fix the problem. I don’t have any soloutions to offer here, just the hope that one of the parties will stand up and fix this country. It’s not the current Presidents fault or the last 3 or 4o for that matter. THis country is still reeling from the Cater administration. I hope we end up with a better choice than what we’ve got so far.

By Rick

October 16, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

For In The News

General George C. Marshall was not a Republican. Like Ike he was not registered to vote while serving his country in the military. Assuming that he did register at some point in Virginia, they do not register by party. He served in Democrat Administrations and never in a Republican one. In 1952, Ike went along with Sen McCarthy’s attacks on Marshall and never defended him. If you know, Ike could have run as a Dem or Rep, because until he decided for that election he was not a member of either party.

I would not give Republicans credit for Marhsall’s Noble Peace Prize.

By Rick

October 16, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

For In The News

General George C. Marshall was not a Republican. Like Ike he was not registered to vote while serving his country in the military. Assuming that he did register at some point in Virginia, they do not register by party. He served in Democrat Administrations and never in a Republican one. In 1952, Ike went along with Sen McCarthy’s attacks on Marshall and never defended him. If you know, Ike could have run as a Dem or Rep, because until he decided for that election he was not a member of either party.

I would not give Republicans credit for Marhsall’s Noble Peace Prize.

By JEB

October 16, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Anyone who allows themselves to be used as advertising for any program or political purpose has to expect to be scrutinized. If the MSM won’t live up to its journalistic responsibilities, then someone else will. The Frost family are fine folks. They probably thought they could do some good by going before congress; however, they were probably duped by someone in their congressional district into believing they would be welcomed as heroes. When people started questioning their backgrounds and motives, the whining began. They cannot act surprised or shocked that someone will look into their story more closely. It’s simple journalism. I feel badly for them, particularly the kids, but they’re fair game, now. I think the Dems picked the wrong family.

By Jeff

October 16, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

The people whio believe the conservatives have attacked the Frost kids are idiots with reading comprehension issues. Malkin attacked the Democrats for holding up a family that has HUGE assets and made a poor decision about their own insurance needs. Period. Rush didn’t attack anyone who simply “disagrees” with the war. He attacked actual phony soldiers like Jesse Macbeth. Do your homework nimrods.

By Jeff

October 16, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

The people whio believe the conservatives have attacked the Frost kids are idiots with reading comprehension issues. Malkin attacked the Democrats for holding up a family that has HUGE assets and made a poor decision about their own insurance needs. Period. Rush didn’t attack anyone who simply “disagrees” with the war. He attacked actual phony soldiers like Jesse Macbeth. Do your homework nimrods.

By MVRRC

October 16, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

The left wing just doesn’t get it. A Smear campaign? Puh-leeze. The Dims take another child as a human shield in its quest of socialism. They use children so that when their lousy politics are exposed for what it is…WAaaahhh! Don’t kick the BaaAAAAbby. The kid is not attacked, the parents that allowed their kid to be USED are not attacked. Hiding behind children so as take billions from working people and give it to those with hundred of thousands in assets, able to put four children in private school, own three vehicles, and choose not to buy their own insurance is flat out wrong. Instead of trying to convince yourselves; “if it has ‘kids’ in the title” it must be good. Go look ask yourself why half the money from SCHIP goes to adults. Oh and quit your crying. Ask yourself do you want the substandard care that big government will provide while big government has private health care. Do you want the two-tiered standards of socialism/communism? One standard for us, a far better for them? Oh, and quit the damn crying…as if you really cared about anyone beyond yourself.

By Bob

October 16, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

By getalife October 15, 2007 5:32 PM “Leaping lizards. Lots of ‘good little germans’ posting today.” By getalife October 15, 2007 5:41 PM “duh, Why are you not blogging at her blog? You fit in well with the rest of the ‘good little germans’.”

Godwin! Hmm, in just 9.5 hours.

By Bob

October 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

By getalife October 15, 2007 5:32 PM “Leaping lizards. Lots of ‘good little germans’ posting today.” By getalife October 15, 2007 5:41 PM “duh, Why are you not blogging at her blog? You fit in well with the rest of the ‘good little germans’.”

Godwin! Hmm, in just 9.5 hours.

By getalife

October 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Bob,

Actually, I got it from this op-ed in the NY Times

Are you a good little german?

By Jeff H

October 16, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Damn, 75% think your cartoon is stupid.

Ain’t democracy great? We have the right to tell a hapless schmuck like you that you’re an idiot.

Eat s**t and … well, don’t die, but don’t go on the government dole for your healthcare either, Lukkie.

By PhilUSMC

October 16, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Get off your butt, get a job with insurance, and quit sticking out your hand! Dem’s are so lazy today. Promise the world in order to get your vote. I’m tired of the socialistic direction we seem to be heading. Who’s going to pay for the social welfare projects from Hillary?

By Jeff H

October 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Damn, 75% think your cartoon is stupid.

Ain’t democracy great? We have the right to tell a hapless schmuck like you that you’re an idiot.

Eat s**t and … well, don’t die, but don’t go on the government dole for your healthcare either, Lukkie.

By Jeff H

October 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Damn, 75% think your cartoon is stupid.

Ain’t democracy great? We have the right to tell a hapless schmuck like you that you’re an idiot.

Eat s**t and … well, don’t die, but don’t go on the government dole for your healthcare either, Lukkie.

By think abou it

October 16, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Hi all. This is a bit off topic, but I feel this post is important for all. The Iraq war is very simply about oil and the control of the supply. There is a very well researched and logical theory about oil supply and demand called “Peak Oil”. The bottom line is that supply of oil is finite and non-renewable. When demand starts to increase to the point where supply and demand are in synch, we see a normal model. Much like we saw in the 20th century with the US being the only real major consumer of the product. When demand starts to out-weigh supply, we see price increases. Econ 101 of course. Oil is not a renewable energy resource and it’s supply is finite. Now that we have China and India competing for the limited supply of oil, we are seeing the kind of price spikes in the cost per barrel and at the pump. The problem right now is that the oil supply is starting to pale when compared to the increasing demand. With higher demand comes higher prices. The trickle down effect of higher fuel costs is tangible in almost every facet of the US economy. Now, the problem of high fuel costs is only going to accelerate as demand keeps growing and supply cannot keep up(because of production limitations and raw supply issues). Once this reaches a critical point, those who control the supply will be able to maintain their respective economies. By control I mean either financially or physically. Our economy cannot support long term high costs of oil. Not to mention what might happen if the suppliers(OPEC, Russia, Venezuala) decide to no longer supply us for whatever reason(can you name a few?). So this war, while on the surface is about the many catch phrases, Democracy, War on Terror etc. is really about the US laying claim to the #3 supply of oil in the world. The sooner we understand that, the easier it will be for the bickering to stop. Once we understand that this war is about something so vital to our way of life, right or wrong, we can move on. We are being lied to by all of our leaders and because of that lie, nothing they say makes sense. We are in a pickle right now and it all boils down to one thing; OIL.

By skylark

October 16, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

By PhilUSMC:”Get off your butt, get a job with insurance”

Ah, you mean that govt-subsidized insurance? Or didn’t you know that employers get a tax break for providing it?

Just like Michelle Malkin herself uses a taxpayer-subsidized MSA for her health care needs.

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. Well, actually I don’t…it stinks to high heaven.

By getalife

October 16, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Um Jeff H,

That poll has been broken a long time like our government idiot.

Geez.

By Lobotomy

October 16, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

getalife,

You need me in the worst way.

By James

October 16, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

The willingness of Democrates to w******* children never ceases to amaze me….

By beverins

October 16, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Best.. cartoon.. evAR!!

By RealityCheck

October 16, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

I have not voted at the last couple of elections. However after reading what the Republicans did to that little boy and his family made me cry.

I think it is such a disgrace I would never vote for them again, a straight Democratic ticket for me next time no matter who it is, this is not the America my parents grew up in. These politicians should be ashamed of themselves.

By bill

October 16, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Whole lotta hating and a whole lotta lies

You people (and you know who you are) are truly amazing.

You apparently have absolutely no problem seeing us lose a war with these Islamofascists.

Republicans are politicians and by nature politicians tend to be self-serving on either side of the aisle. But if I have to choose a side to take in a war for our survival and our way of life, I’ll take the side that wants to fight and win.

Today’s Democratic leadership has tied their personal success to the failure of America. Therefore they will do WHATEVER it takes to promote that result.

You folks need to wake up and join our side in this fight and let’s go back to bickering about domestic issues in Congress.

We could argue all day about whether we should have gone to war but we did and now we darn sure better win. And we darn sure better do what we promised we’d do for our friends. Who in the world will put their necks on the line today when continuously change courses and allow those friends’ necks to end up in a noose?

Our policies going back to the 50’s starting with Eisenhower have contributed greatly to our lack of credibility in the world.

Therefore anyone that thinks the Iranians will revolt based on the belief that we will support them is crazy. There is NO CHANCE that will happen, and it’s not Bush’s fault.

Iran is next in this war. You can count on it happening and it MUST happen if we are to survive with our way of life in tact.

By John Abbott

October 16, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

What the Republicans did to this little boy? What?

No one attacked the 12 year old kid. What we DID do was point out that the Frost family put their kid onto the Democratic radio response to the president with a script that was written by Democratic staffers. What we DID do was point out that the Frosts bought a property worth $120,000 in 1999 instead of buying health insurance for their kids (a fact that’s yet to be refuted.) Democrats wanted to trot out a victimhood family that had been caught in the crosshairs of corporations/HMOs. Instead, they found a family that doesn’t budget their priorities right… and we pointed that out. We didn’t attack a 12 year old kid. We vehemently criticized the family that put him on air to attack the president.

One last thought: why would you prefer to pay taxes to get your health care instead of just paying the money directly to an HMO, who spends their time trying to make health care run more efficiently? Do you really want your health care run by the same entity who runs the post office, or the entity that takes 6 weeks to get you a passport?

-John

By philmon

October 16, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Do you really want your healthcare run by the same entity [..] that takes 6 weekes to get you a passport?

Six weeks!!! It was 12 for me!

;-)

By Steve

October 16, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

I drive a $2000 Lumina 97 and I own a $65000 home.

They own $160,000 commercial property, a $400,000 dollar home, 3 huge late model SUVs worth more then 25,000 dollars each, and their kids all go to private schools.

And you want ME to pay for their health care. Typical leftists. Take from those who have little to buy votes from those who have a lot.

Nobody lied about the Frosts. The above comment is certainly true. Yo want me to pay for the insurance for a family that has a much nicer home than I will ever afford and has a parking lot of cars nicer then any car I will ever own. I make 80K a year. That is mean. My damn taxes are high enough and Democrats already want to raise my annual tax bill by $5000 starting rather suddenly in 2010 when the Bush ‘Tax Cuts’ run out. And you want me to also start buying insurance for families like the Frosts who are far better off than I am.

By aaron

October 16, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Wow, I never thought I would see the day when we act like Sunni’s and Shiites. Palestinians and Israli’s. And the various other dualing ideologies commited to hate each other. All we are is a bombing or violent attack of some form or another against a Republican or a Democrat and we’ll be just like the same dumb crap Mid-East non-sense we loathe so much. I truly believe that democracy as we were raised to know it and quick to defend it is going away just as fast as you hateful bunch, along with the other hateful radio hosts and TV talking heads, can spew your venom. It must be so easy to attack!! attack!!! attack!!! a blanket political party or one word descriptions of a person such as Liberal or Conservative. Come up with ANSWERS!!!!and SOLUTIONS!!! Think instead of hate for pete sakes. Or maybe it is just too easy to crap hate out of your mouth. And you all wonder why nothing ever changes. Sick. The only post that makes any sense is the post about peak oil. At least that one is based in logic and facts, with some opinion added for good measure.

By Wildcatter1980

October 17, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Falsehood #1: Graeme Frost qualified for health care benefits without the proposed and subsequently vetoed SCHIP expansion.

Falsehood #2: Limbaugh was critical of genuine “phony soldiers” who have been charge and/or convicted of fraud or have been shown to have fabricated stories of atrocities that never happened.

Falsehood #3: Brian Ross of ABC News first reported on the “phony soldiers” BEFORE Limbaugh’s comments. Neither he nor ABC News has been “criticized” for that report.

These are some of the reasons why I voted “No”, I do not like this cartoon.

I suggest that all journalists, not just those at ajc, read and commit to memory the society of professional journalists code of ethics (http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp) and use them as their guide to performing their jobs instead of their personal political views.

By TinyQueerFootballs

October 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Aww look, Our Lady of the Concentration Camps has sent the evil flying Malkinites to say they don’t like the cartoon. What ever shall we do. >:D

By John

October 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Tinyqueer, I’d expect no less from a tiny, disrupted mind. Frankly, you mentally disordered leftists are so far off in trying to defend your positions, it’s embarassing.

The fact of the matter is that the idiot socialist dems in the house and senate are tripping all over themselves. This SCHIP nonsense is collapsing on them, now that folks are learning why its expansion was vetoed.

The fact of the matter is that you leftists cannot lie with impunity anymore. The smear IS the cartoon, because its basis is a lie that a child will not be covered by the SCHIP as it is currently configured (as opposed to how the dems want it to expanded to 25 year-old “children”).

Just as the idiot leftist senators embarrassed themselves by trying to censor Rush Limbaugh with a letter to his corporate partner (which Mr. Limbaugh is auctioning it off on EBay for charity), they have embarrassed themselves over this flap, because their support to get it passed the veto has completely collapsed.

The truth is trumping the lie. Live with it.

By Matt

October 22, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

You guys seem like a bunch of deranged Dims, needing to blame everything on BUSH. Why didn’t you connect the dots prior to 9/11!!!! Stop the wire taps!!!

Get over the 2000 election Chad Muahahahahaha

By Matt

October 22, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

You guys seem like a bunch of deranged Dims, needing to blame everything on BUSH. Why didn’t you connect the dots prior to 9/11!!!! Stop the wire taps!!!

Get over the 2000 election Chad Muahahahahaha

By AMD

October 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

I like what the lady with the purse said - “They can’t get their smear campaign straight” -

You did mean the Democrats here - right?

All you have to do is look at the website and check out the transcript.

Maybe your cartoon would be funnier if you did.

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