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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2007 > October > 10 > Entry

British are leaving

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 08:56 PM

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By Mad As Zell

October 11, 2007 7:50 AM | Link to this

Bom-bom-bomb bom-bomb Iran. Bom-bom-bomb bom-bomb Iran. BOMB IRAN.

BOMB IRAN!

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Um, most countries do leave after they are victorious.

The British aren’t occupiers, duh.

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Further proof that we need to do everything in our power to elect a Republican president, so that they can appoint judges that do not overturn the will of the majority:

{{{{Illegal hiring ID plan blocked- Judge rejects Bush plan to force employers to root out workers with phony IDs.-Urinal}}}}

Bush’s plan?

Bush would like nothing better than to throw open the border and flood the business community with cheap slave labor, remember the “amnesty bill,” AJC?

It’s pathological the way the liberals at the Urinal lie and play word games, they just simply do not respect their readership at all.

The vast majority of U.S. CITIZENS, legal CITIZENS, want our government to get control of our borders and one of the most efficient ways to do this is to deny work to those who are not citizens.

This is a slap in the face to our sovereignty as a nation, it endangers our population by letting terrorists enter our country at will, and most of all, it undermines the Will of the People, which is the foundation for law under our Constitution.

So what interests is this pinko left wing POS judge representing?

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{{{{When Sen. Reid attacked Mr. Limbaugh on the floor of the Senate, some felt that Mr. Limbaugh was a big boy and perfectly capable of defending himself. I’m not so sure. If Mr. Limbaugh and his critics at Media Matters want to have a street fight, that’s their business. But Sens. Reid and Salazar aren’t just a couple of opinionated guys; they are agents of state authority, and they were leaning hard on Mr. Limbaugh. If you are Media Matters, if you are a man or woman of the Left, does state pressure on someone’s political speech discomfort you? Or is it a welcome, even defensible, repression of harmful right-wing speech?}}}}

Think about this for a moment; the government FUNDS the speech of Bill Moyers and others on National Pinko Radio but now the government wants to CENSOR the free speech rights of those it disagrees with.

And the next time you hear a liberal whining and moaning about “government invasion of privacy,” whether it concerns al Qaeda telephone calls or pornography, just think about who really are the ones that are “invading privacy.”

By Goldie

October 11, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Everyone else knows that the Iraq war ended in 2003 — now all we have is an American occupation. And yet the Repugs just cannot give up their occupation…

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Not to change the subject but where the hell is Thursday’s vent??? Yesterday’s was late too. Is this a new trend or what???

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

Hey Everybody,

Friends don’t let friends engage with Buy Danish. It’s dangerous!

She made me so righteously angry yesterday I kicked the snot out of a bookcase. I have made the determination she is not worth my sore swollen big toe!

She is better than I am at the turn (twist) of a phrase. But I am a better human being.

Disclaimer: This is opinion.

Back to what’s IN THE NEWS

By Anonymous

October 11, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

If the Brits can declare victory and get out, why can’t we?

Oh, right—because of BushPride, which is apparently worth billions of dollars and thousands of lives. Great investment there.

By Blackadder

October 11, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

How long until the British get the same treatment for leaving that the French got for being smart enough not to get involved in Bush’s mess in the first place?

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Yankee Fans Hate Rudy

By Goldie

October 11, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

IntheNews @ 8:26 — it’s always best to try to ignore the rabid trolls like BD and DUHHHH… I’ve made the same mistake as you in the past, trying to reason with a troll, and there IS NO reasoning with them. Their only purpose here is to take a dump on everyone who might want to engage in a civil discourse. It’s their contribution to the Repugs’ way of “winning hearts and minds” on a blog.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

ITN, What’s going on with you!?! Don’t let Buy Danish get to you like that! It’s just a blog, that’s all. It’s entertainment, it’s fun, it’s something to do in between work tasks when your eyes need a break. That’s all.

I love the cartoon - Luckovich is really in the Halloween spirit. Maybe he’s sad because Doom is gone. The cartoon has an Ichabod Crane/Headless Horseman look to it [maniacal laughter] - the Headless Horseman always creeped me out.

Keep up the good work!

By reebok

October 11, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

Pretty lame cartoon - trying to make something out of nothing, IMHO. So they Brits are leaving, so what?…this was alway’s Dubya’s war, and he will have the deaths of our American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis on his conscience alone…wait, I forgot, Dubya doesn’t have a conscience.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

{{{{Klintoon recently floated the idea of issuing a $5,000 bond to each baby born in the United States to help pay for college and a first home, but it immediately inspired Republican ridicule and “she” quickly said “she” would not implement the proposal.}}}}

Oh good, a firm unwavering conviction in “her” beliefs, well, at least until they burst forth from “her” mouth and people laugh at them. Then “she” scurries back under “her” rock.

{{{{“She” defended that decision yesterday, saying “she” is focusing on proposals with more political support and “she” is not formally proposing anything she can’t fund without increasing the deficit: “I have a million ideas. The country can’t afford them all.”}}}}

Gosh, let’s add up some numbers here; this blooming idiot has put forth one, maybe two ideas in it’s entire 16 years of government involvement, and both of them were laughingstocks, but admittedly they would have went over very well in communist China, but it also has a “million” ideas that we don’t even know about yet??

If that isn’t the scariest damn thing I’ve ever heard, geezus.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Klintoon withdrew her $5,000 program after the first 100 babies she gave the $5,000 to turned into Republicans.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

I think the British finally realized they did not want to be a part of an occupation - they’ve had their colonies before and they know it doesn’t work out so well for them.

Did anybody hear Jimmy Carter slamming on Bush and Cheney last night? He was on CNN and BBC. He was more viscious on BBC. Oh I chuckled to myself.

Go Jimmy Carter!

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

{{{Bush is now demanding that Congress give retroactive immunity to telecom companies who helped Bush illegally spy on American citizens, and if they don’t, he’s going to veto the domestic spying bill.

AP: President Bush said Wednesday that he will not sign a new eavesdropping bill if it does not grant retroactive immunity to U.S. telecommunications companies that helped conduct electronic surveillance without court orders.

Good. Let him. He’s going to veto legislation he claims the nation desperately needs? Let. Him.

Bush has been telling us for years that all the domestic spying he was doing was legal. AT&T told us that the spying was legal. Then why do they need immunity now if everything they were doing was legal?

This is absolutely outrageous. The Democrats had better not give this to Bush. He’s at 28% in the polls, folks. Stop acting like he’s in charge.}}}}

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

What right do we have to tell Turkey they cannot protect themselves against Iraqi insurgents. Do we hold the monopoly on invading Iraq?

It is a good thing the USA isn’t 50 different countries or we would always have wars going on over here.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm ……the British are leaving! The British are leaving!

Now, if we could get Luckovich to leave!! Perfect!!

!

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon Mike!

Since the neo-cons have no earthly idea what constitutes “victory”, why not do like the blokes and just declare it and then leave?

As for the howling in the wind earlier about let’s do everything in our power to elect a Republican President, all I can say, is good luck with that one!

Only the more brain dead here would want more of the same GOP neo-con incompetence.

ITN, though I respect the information and commentary you provide, I wonder why you do engage our “friends” on the far right.

Many here, including myself, have found it to be a complete waste of time and have little if anything to do with the worst of the worst anymore.

Not because of the differing opinions or information provided but, as you are beginning to see, it is well nigh impossible to have rational discussions with such irrational people.

Throw in a handful of churlish temper tantrums and endless personal insults and vitriol and you have the perfect recipe for what the extremists here consider thoughtful blogging.

But generally, civil discourse, common courtesy and even a modicum of respect is of tremendous difficulty for those on the fringes.

Fortunately they are but a tiny few in number here and are outnumbered by a very large margin.

As are they in the general American population.

Off to go pay for the “war on terrorism”!

See ya later!

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

Thanks for the link to the WSJ piece.

This was news to me:

While Mr. Limbaugh fought off the Democratic Senate in one corner, the commentator Juan Williams also found his speech and job status under pressure from Media Matters. In the same week that Mr. Williams, a Fox commentator, appeared on Bill O’Reilly’s show to speak critically of black culture, his bosses at NPR rejected a White House request to have Mr. Williams interview President Bush on race.

{{{In a Media Matters posting on all this, Eric Boehlert wrote that “real damage is being done to NPR by having its name, via Williams, associated with Fox News’ most opinionated talker.” Noting that Mr. Williams supported Clarence Thomas’s nomination, Mr. Boehlert said there are “better advocates for genuinely liberal positions,” and suggested “now is the time for [NPR] to address the growing problem.”}}}

Why are my tax dollars supporting NPR again?

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

John in Tampa Speaking of Turkey - the Congress proclaimed yesterday that Turkey committed genocide during WWI, now I think we’ve made them mad. That’s going to have a significant effect on our war effort.

I’m sort of torn about that:

One one hand I think- dammit Congress, what are you thinking? That was nearly 100 years ago. You are jeopardizing the soldiers we have over there.

Then on the other hand I think - well, maybe if Turkey doesn’t let us use their country to go in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe we’ll be forced to bring them home.

Was that a passive agressive move by the Congress?

But then again, our relations with Turkey haven’t been all that lately anyway ——-

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Why are my tax dollars supporting this war again?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

More from the WSJ piece, which gets to the heart of the fallacy that liberals believe in free speech:

Just last November, in an admiring essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education, the left polemicist Stanley Fish aptly summed up Marcuse’s assertion that “liberal” notions of tolerance for political speech should be overturned. The rationale for this notion is that standard tolerance is rigged against the left.

In other words, achieve your goals by any means necessary and it’s perfectly fine if you trample on the Bill of Rights in the process.

What’s amazing to me is that they don’t even feel a need to keep these dangerous ideas in the closet anymore. They know that the netroots will cheer them on, and candidates know that their funding depends largely on the support of these Stalinists.

By Betty

October 11, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish is one of the best posters here, by far. Those of you who have berated and attacked her here today have serious issues. Well guess what folks? This is a serious blog. We discuss serious issues. This is not a blog about cartoon characters. This is real and serious.

Think about it.

Un-friggen believable! The Clintons are coming, the Clintons are coming.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet October 11, 2007 9:43 AM As for the howling in the wind earlier about let’s do everything in our power to elect a Republican President, all I can say, is good luck with that one!}}}}

Well, it’s funny that you should mention that:

{{{{For one thing, Republicans still have a good shot to win next year. Consider the enormous disapproval rating for the Democratic Congress, some signs of progress in Iraq, and above all — the strong economy.}}}}

Now consider this:

2006 U.S. voter turnout percentage: 41% (democrat win)

2004 U.S. voter turnout percentage: 60% (Republican win)

Gee, I wonder who the 19% was that didn’t vote in 06, uh, duh.

Hehehehe.

We’re back!!!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Bosch:

I am a little annoyed with Turkey anyway. I have a step-daughter in Cyprus and it bothers me the Turks are occupying northern Cyprus illegally. I was over there last year and the locals are a little miffed that no one will support their desires to oust Turkey. I guess since NO OIL, NO HELP.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Umm…Blowhard…it was IN THE FEVER SWAMPS kicking his furniture around, why do you call that someone on the right having a temper tantrum?

Bosch,

I don’t think Congress has passed that resolution declaring genocide against the Armenians just yet.

Here, I’ll play that gun jumping game too. Al Gore won the Nobel “Peace” Prize. Which of us do you think will be right in our advance proclamations?

By Goin it Alone Ain't Nothin New

October 11, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

The Brits are leaving? Hell, they did that months ago, only thing left now is a token force anyway. No country is maintaining any military presence in Iraq that is anything other than lip-service.

By FAILING to acquire backing from the UN before invasion, King George insured that we would fight this war (and get the blame for it) all by our lonesome. Blair was an idiot for skipping blindly down the Chimperor’s Iraqi ‘Yellow Brick Road’! Britains new prime minister is not a Bush Toady so even the token Brits are now leaving.

Isn’t it great how swimmingly Republican cowboy politics always work out. But what the hell, they NEVER had any intention of winning in Iraq, just occupying and dragging out withdrawal as long as inhumanly possible so their good buddies in big, Big, BIG business and industry could make a few more war bucks. That was proven when we learned so many times in so many ways that THERE WAS NEVER A PLAN TO WIN!!!!!

Republicans just needed a war to hitch onto in order to shore up the inevitable failure of the American economic sector that Republican supply side economics always brings sans war and to give carte blanche to the Republican wet-dream of creating big, Big, BIG government to work hand-in-hand with Republican big, Big, BIG business.

Republican war profiteers have already made their nut over the bloated and rotting corpses of brave American men and women fallen on the battlefield. Let’s move on a until the next time the uninformed masses can be persuaded to turn-over the reins of power to a new generation of right-wing corporate welfare recipients.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

There was a question here asking why one’s tax dollars support the Iraq war, the one your Congress approved.

Ah ha!! The answer!! Because you are an American! At least, I think you are. Well, maybe…

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

RW (the original) @10:07

OOOOoooo RW, you scared me to death. For a moment, I thought you said that Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Now that would be a Halloween prank for all times.

By luckovichisaheadcase

October 11, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Not only is the cartoon poorly drawn and factually inaccurate and completely inane as usual, but these twits at the Urinal-Constipation cannot even get the day and date right!!! So much for reliable sources!

By Goin it Alone Ain't Nothin New

October 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Britain’s decision to bring half of its 5,000 soldiers home from Iraq by spring is the latest blow to the U.S.-led coalition. The alliance is crumbling, and fast: excluding Americans, the multinational force was once 50,000 strong — by mid-2008, it will be down to 7,000.

Too bad the Republicans piissed away UN support. Anybody wonder if the Republican FAILURE to plan to win wasn’t just really a veiled plan to fail! Republican war-bucks profiteers get to sell bunches of war junk for decades to come, now. Mission Accomplished.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Uh, from the mouths of the British themselves, not from some hysterical moron serial spammer:

{{{{“We have already seen Iraqi Security Forces make considerable achievements as a result of this training. Since we handed over Basra Palace last month, they have been responsible for delivering security within the city and so far have effectively and successfully maintained order.}}}}

{{{{“I have no doubt that the work that we are doing in this vital area is having an extremely positive effect on increasing the Iraqi Army capability and is helping to set the conditions necessary for Multi-National Forces to hand over Basra to Provincial Iraqi Control in November.”}}}}

Gee, they need LESS soldiers to accomplish the SAME mission, seems like things might just be safer for them, huh?

More danger, more soldiers, less danger, less soldiers, duh.

All this leads into another good example of why liberals can not be handed the control of United States national security, they are overwhelming ignorant on the matter.

Duh.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

NEWSBOY,

Thanks for the Media Matters link - It is very revealing:

In fact, Williams’ recent appearance on The O’Reilly Factor almost certainly violated NPR’s employee standards, which prohibit staffers from appearing on programs that “encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis” and are “harmful to the reputation of NPR.”

Bwahahahahahaha. What a crock.

{{{Evidence suggests that, behind the scenes, NPR is not happy about Williams’ relationship with Fox News. If so, now is the time for the network to address the growing problem./Public broadcasting guidelines clearly state that when appearing on outside programs “journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist.”}}}

No sir, NPR does not allow journalists to speak their mind unless it toes the Pinko Progressive Party line. Fox does allow you to speak your mind and the Kommissars will not tolerate that breach.

More of the same indignation:

{{{Complaints about Williams’ alliance with Fox News are not new. For years he has drawn criticism from liberals who protest his weekly appearances on the more grown-up Fox News Sunday, arguing there are better advocates for genuinely liberal positions than Williams, who, for instance, was a supporter of Clarence Thomas’ Supreme Court nomination.}}}

How dare Juan Williams have opinions that are not shared by the elites at NPR?

By getalife

October 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

The Marines want out of Iraq to go fight the real war in Afghanistan. Good for them.

A shrine was bombed in India.

And looks like Gore is getting ready to enter this race.

By Corky Cobb

October 11, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Latest congressional job approval poll.

From FOX NEWS!

Democrats: Approve 38%, Disapprove 57%, 5% don’t know.

Republicans: Approve 29%, Disapprove 67%, 4% don’t know.

Tell me Andy, how the hell does this benefit Republicans? Seems to me, Republicans are doing much worse than Democrats.

Please explain.

By Goldie

October 11, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Over 70% of America wants our troops out of the civil war in Iraq — that’s the #1 reason that the Dems will sweep the Repugs outta the White House in ‘08!

Americans know the Dems offer the only chance for change in Bush’s policies starting in ‘09.

The Dems can’t wait til Nov. ‘08!

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Don’t forget folks: Iraq is Arabic for Viet Nam!!!

Just think, in 25 years Iraq will become an American tourist destination just like Viet Nam is now.

Give Bush some credit. He just has foresight the rest of us don’t have. He obviously sees the big picture that we don’t see.

By Corky Cobb

October 11, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

In case I didn’t spell it out enough for those that think Americans are more upset with Democrats than they are with Republicans in Congress here are the questions……

Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job? Approve 38%, Disapprove 57%, 5% don’t know.

Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are doing their job? Approve 29%, Disapprove 67%, 4% don’t know.

Can’t wait for 08!

By getalife

October 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

“What these right wing bloggers and some of their Republican friends in Washington have done to this family is simply unconscionable. Instead of attacking the issue, they decided to attack a 12-year old boy. This entire smear campaign by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and their allies has been a perverse distraction from the issue at hand - the plight of millions of uninsured children in this country. It also needs to be remembered that the Frosts were viciously attacked for simply speaking their minds and voicing their support for the SCHIP program that was so instrumental in saving the lives of their children. From the Frosts’ perspective, what could be more American?”

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

John in Tampa, What’s Turkey’s reason for being in Cyprus? Is it for protection? Against who? Just curious. I don’tknow that much about Turkish/Cyprus relations and how it relates to the U.S.

RW, That resolution is also non-binding. That’s a very curious move.

“Which of us do you think will be right in our advance proclamations?”

I don’t follow you, what do you mean? I’ll bet that just scares you to death that Al Gore just might win.

Dusty, NPR’s budget is also approved by Congress - what’s your point? Oh, I forgot, you never have one.

This war must be very hard for you. Everytime someone mentions why should we pay for this (NPR) or that (SCHIPP) I can come back and say:

Why are we paying for a war in Iraq?

Got an answer for that other than to defeat terrorism? We’ve heard that old adage, got anything new?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

{{{By Bosch

October 11, 2007 10:54 AM

Dusty, NPR’s budget is also approved by Congress - what’s your point? Oh, I forgot, you never have one.}}}

Bosch,

What does their budget have to so with their approach to restricting free speech?

NEWBOY,

Earlier you posted something about a Dem Bill that would make “War profiteering” illegal.

No doubt you are jumping for joy at the prospect of weakening our military, but how does this work exactly?

By Gonna Love 08

October 11, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Those on this blog that listen and quote Rush and O’Reilly prove you are to stupid to think for yourselves….Listening to them got us into this Bush mess to begin with, so sign off this blog and listen to them since their word is gospel to you….

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

H.R. 400: War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

I have to leave shortly, but I want to leave you all with this portrait of George Soros, who is clearly a malignant narcissist.

Note his sense of entitlement, his lack of guilt or conscience, and this:

{{{Moreover, the open society as a universal concept transcends all boundaries. Societies derive their cohesion from shared values. These values are rooted in culture, religion, history and tradition. When a society does not have boundaries, where are the shared values to be found? I believe there is only one possible source: the concept of the open society itself.}}}

Yep, no wonder he’s the hero and CFO of the left.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Bosch:

Turkey claimed northern Cyprus was their territory for reasons only they know. They have been there since the early seventies and there are currently talks of reunification. Personally i feel it was Turkey’s way of tweeking Greece’s nose since Greece exerts alot of influence in Southern Cyprus. Sorry I cannot give you a better answer. Before last year I did not even know where Cyprus was but I have to admit it is a beautiful island. Only problem is you cannot flush toilet paper down the toilet, you put it into a receptacle in the bathroom. Yes, it is as diasgusting as it sounds.

YOU CAN REST ASSURED IF THEY HAD ANY RESOURCES WE WANTED WE WOULD HAVE PUSHED TURKEY OUT 30 YEARS AGO.

By ray

October 11, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

dittos bi danish: stupid people fight wars, smart people get rich off ‘em.

cheney/satan ‘08

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Do you really want to go that far - to say that NPR restricts free speech?

By getalife

October 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Geez, I wonder if our government is broken?

The answer to my question is answered in this new book:

Broken Government: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches (Hardcover)

It started with Iran Contra with dick cheney as the architect to this destruction. When w spewed that Nixon should have fought that is dick talking.

By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)

October 11, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Why would Americans be upset with the Republicans in congress?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

{{{By Bosch

October 11, 2007 11:28 AM |

Buy Danish, Do you really want to go that far - to say that NPR restricts free speech? }}}

Bosch,

Kerist, read the article. It restricts the speech of NPR employees.

Also read the WSJ op ed that I linked to. Read what Stanley Fish said.

There are no longer even any pretenses that the Left is interested in free speech.

Gotta run.

By efsr

October 11, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Why do bleating libs always get behind a loser like Gore?

Democratic strategist and longtime Gore adviser Michael Feldman, who is not working on a presidential campaign, said he doesn’t see Gore jumping in the race.

[[“Everything he’s said publicly and privately indicates that he’s not planning a campaign,” said Feldman.]]

[[That’s a sentiment echoed by Carter Eskew, chief strategist for the Gore 2000 presidential campaign.]]

[[If Gore wins the Nobel Prize, Eskew said, “I think it will certainly increase efforts like you saw in the paper, but I really don’t think it’ll have any impact on him at all. I think he’s on a different path right now.”]]

[[But Gore supporters are holding out hope.]]

That egomaniacal daddy’s boy from Tennessee is riding too high on his own fat a* to give his sacrificial lambs a second thought.

When a british judge looks at Gore he sees b****** but then libs do thrive on b******. Nothing new about that.

A judge in Britain’s High Court has ruled that Gore’s apocalyptic movie on climate change, An Inconvenient Truth, should come with a warning that it promotes “partisan political views” and is riddled with errors.

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

clearly a malignant narcissist.

Richard Mellon Scaife

[The Scaifes’ marital troubles first gained public attention on Dec. 22, 2005, with what Mrs. Scaife’s lawyers characterize in their brief as “cruel, calculated acts toward Wife by Husband as punishment for her detection” of Mr. Scaife’s alleged affair.

“On December 22nd in the late afternoon, Wife, in an attempt to confirm Husband’s ongoing affair, appeared at the home of her Husband, peered in his residence window to confirm” whether the other woman was with Mr. Scaife. “Wife was arrested under an absurd trespass charge, handcuffed and transported to the County Jail, where she was incarcerated overnight in a grim holding cell,” Mrs. Scaife’s attorneys wrote. The charges were later dismissed but, in the words of Mrs. Scaife’s brief, “The marriage was over!”](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07259/817950-52.stm)

By getalife

October 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Why in the world would an American vote for a party that destroyed our government and country?

Why wingnuts, why?

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Just like usual, you are over exagerating. Again, taking one or two articles and making it universally true and applicable to all situations.

And now, you’ve gone a step further, taking one or two articles, twisting that into how NPR restricts free speech, and now the entire liberal populace has somehow decided that free speech is no longer an interest to us.

Wow. That’s saying a lot there BD.

By Religon Rules

October 11, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Another fine Christian:

OCTOBER 8—An Alabama minister who died in June of “accidental mechanical asphyxia” was found hogtied and wearing two complete wet suits, including a face mask, diving gloves and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask, according to an autopsy report. Investigators determined that Rev. Gary Aldridge’s death was not caused by foul play and that the 51-year-old pastor of Montgomery’s Thorington Road Baptist Church was alone in his home at the time he died (while apparently in the midst of some autoerotic undertaking). While the Montgomery Advertiser, which first obtained the autopsy records, reported on Aldridge’s two wet suits, the family newspaper chose not to mention what police discovered inside the minister’s rubber briefs. Aldridge served as the church’s pastor for 16 years. Immediately following his death, church officials issued a press release asking community members to “please refrain from speculation” about what led to Aldridge’s demise, adding that, “we will begin the healing process under the strong arm of our Savior, Jesus Christ.”

By efsr

October 11, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Another fine Christian.

PRESIDENTIAL CHEATING SCANDAL! ALLEGED AFFAIR COULD WRECK JOHN EDWARDS’ CAMPAIGN BID

Only a simple minded lib gives a flying fluck about crap like that. Why don’t you tell us what the libs hollyweird crowd is up to these days? I’ll bet you have a lifetime subscription to STAR MAGAZINE.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

efsr, How do you know Religion Rules is a liberal? Maybe they are simply just a Christian who is sick of the hypocrisy he/she sees in the church.

You are making ignorant assumptions.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

efsr,

One more thing - only a simple minded person in general posts garbage from the National Enquirer.

What’s next? Is Bat Boy going to run for president? Are aliens going to make contact with Rudy Guiliani?

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Hey Religion Rules

Saw that yesterday….read what they found.

Didn’t that poor guy know thoses things were illegal in Alabama?

By juan

October 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

efsr

Don’t you mean Ken Starr?

yo!

By efsr

October 11, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I’m not surprised a facetious post would escape a moron like Bosco. There’s no value in what RR posted and there’s no value in what I posted. Get the point now demwit dunce?

By efsr

October 11, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

The investigation of Monica’s bj was a waste of taxpayers money not unlike all the investigations the dem congress are pushing now. Political gamemanship, nothing more.

By georgia 74

October 11, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

We taxpayers pay George Bush’s salary,why not pay for NPR?

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

War News for Thursday, October 11, 2007

Baghdad:

1: Two multi-national soldiers were killed in an ‘indirect fire’ attack on a US base in Baghdad. Iraqi Sharqiya independent TV cited a witness as saying he heard nine mortar shells falling on the Camp Victory military base vernight Wednesday, killing two multi-national soldiers and injuring 38 others. No further details were immediately available. 2: A mortar round killed a father and son and wounded three others on Wednesday in eastern Baghdad’s Mashtal district, police said. 3: Seven bodies were found in different districts of Baghdad on Wednesday, police said. 4: Iraqi soldiers killed one gunman and arrested 30 others in different parts of Iraq during the last 24 hours, the Defence Ministry said. 5: A Roadside bomb went off near a U.S. patrol in the Iskan neighborhood in western Baghdad in the afternoon, wounding five civilians,” the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity. It was unclear whether the U.S. patrol sustain any casualty as the troops immediately cordoned off the area, preventing the Iraqi police from approaching the scene, he said. 6: another roadside bomb detonated near a police patrol in Baghdad’s northwestern neighborhood of Shulla, damaging a police vehicle and wounding two policemen, the source added.

Other Provinces Here

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

From Editor & Publisher: Appearing on Donny Deutsch’s CNBC show, “The Big Idea,” on Monday night, columnist/author Ann Coulter suggested that the U.S. would be a better place if there weren’t any Jewish people and that they had “perfected” themselves into — Christians.

It led Deutsch to suggest that surely he couldn’t mean that, and when she insisted she did, he said this sounded “anti-Semitic.”

Asked by Deutsch regarding whether she wanted to be like “the head of Iran” and “wipe Israel off the Earth,” Coulter stated: “No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. … That’s what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament.”

By juan

October 11, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

efsr

My point exactly.

MYOB

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

There is a reason why these kind of stories are run on PMSNBC, the have the most absolute idiot moron captive audience, incapable of reason, research or fact checking, they are the perfect little pinko guinea pigs:

{{{{By mm October 11, 2007 12:36 PM Just for you Duh. Climscientists now seen the manmade fingerprint of global warming on 10 different aspects of Earth’s environment: surface temperatures, humidity, water vapor over the oceans, barometric pressure, total precipitation, wildfires, change in species of plants in animals, water run-off, temperatures in the upper atmosphere, and heat content in the world’s oceans.}}}}

Plus they know that dumb as-ses like mm will get hysterical.

Anybody care to show me, cause I’ve been unable to find it myself, records showing that humidity has been rising “year by year?”

And don’t bother coming back at me with PMSNBC or any of their affiliates.

Good luck!

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I thought just for once I could get you to go behind whatever headline you scanned.

The resolution condemning Turkey for genocide nearly 100 years ago got out of the Foreign relations committee and has not been scheduled for a floor vote in the House, much less the Senate so there is no resolution that has passed the Congress binding or not.

Al Gore was supposed to be in California at a fund raiser today. Barbara Boxer sent out a memo saying it had been rescheduled because Gore had been called out of the country for a major event concerning global warming. Want to bet whether that’s to collect his Nobel prize?

Now for a real question, why on Earth would I be scared of Al Gore sharing a roster of luminaries like Yassar Arafat with a “Peace” prize for his chicken little imitation over global warming?

By mm

October 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Duh, care to show me records showing that humidity HAS NOT been rising?

So now you claim MSNBC is liberal?

I’m not hysterical you putz, I just know this sets you off.

So you think all of the scientists around the world that belive global warming is real are Democrats?

Wow, I guess the Dems have done a better job of spreading democracy than your hero GWB.

By georgia 74

October 11, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

When responding to Luckoduh, Dusty, Bi Danish,@@, etc. Remember the immortal words of William G. McAdoo,”It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument.”

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

If Al Gore Wins the Nobel Peace Prize

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Have you ever noticed people like…oh say…(m)ental (m)idget give you a big bad scary story about MAN MADE global warming and as soon as somebody disputes their scare piece they come back and claim that you’re denying the existence of a warming trend and they suddenly leave out the MAN MADE part?

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm October 11, 2007 1:15 PM Duh, care to show me records showing that humidity HAS NOT been rising?}}}}

mm: I’m not the one claiming the end of the world, you are, dumba-ss.

Is logic that far beyond your simple comprehension, and the comprehension of PMSNBC for that matter, that all we have to do is research your “facts?”

Type it into google moron, “humidity” “increase” “year” and see what comes back.

PMSNBC’s little pinko Willet, that’s it.

This must be a huge surprise to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association because they don’t know squat about it.

Ball’s in your court, klown.

{{{{So now you claim MSNBC is liberal?}}}}

Um, Yes.

By Religon Rules

October 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS:

That was funny to read what they found, im sure it is illegal in ole Alabama. I was expecting him to be wearing a Cheney mask when he was found…

By mm

October 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Duh,

Please feel free to review the article in the journal Nature. You can look at the graphs and numbers.

As for me, like all sane people, I will just take their word as truth.

I bet you stuck your hand on the stove even after your mother repeatedly warned you that it was hot.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

For only $30.00 you can look at (m)ental (m)idget’s article from Nature. At least now we know she’s a magazine salesperson.

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

It looks as if the GOP front runners are going to be spending lots of time and energy on their knees in order to satisfy the religious nut jobs that have recently defined such a large and overly influential part of their base.

While the rest of the country looks on and says no thanks.

IMHO, the GOP is really screwed on this one.

{{GOP presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani is virtually “indistinguishable” from Hillary Clinton on core social issues, according to Tony Perkins, head of the influential conservative Family Research Council.}}

{{Perkins said that the former New York City mayor simply cannot bring together the “three key elements” of the Republican Party — social conservatism, fiscal conservatism, and a strong national defense.}}

{{“I don’t envision the majority of social conservatives moving toward a pro-abortion candidate,” Perkins said. “This issue runs strong. Singing the ABC song — ‘anybody but Clinton’ — will not be enough.”}}

{{“My experience is you don’t beat a liberal with a moderate. You have a lack of enthusiasm. People will not get excited by Giuliani.”}}

{{Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson gives Perkins’ group pause because of his stand on gay marriage. Thompson has said the issue should be dealt with on the state level, not with a federal constitutional amendment.}}

{{“His position does not satisfy us. It would not prevent judges from redefining marriage or stop one state from forcing it on another state,” Perkins said. “This does not remove him from consideration. He’s been clear on his support for marriage, but he has not come around to a full solution to the problem.”}}

{{Perkins downplayed reports that the religious right may seek an alternate candidate outside the Republican Party — reports spurred by statements at a meeting of evangelical leaders earlier this fall.}}

{{“I was at that meeting and I think it’s been misconstrued a little bit,” he said. “It was not a declaration to create a third party. It was a proclamation that there is a line we would not cross, and that line is life.}}

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

RW, Oh calm down. What I meant earlier was that even if the resolution had/has/whatever passed, it would be non-binding. I just heard about the resolution last night on BBC, I did not know that it hadn’t passed.

But now that you mentioned the Foreign Relations Committee, now I remember all seeing all the committe members in the story piece. They were the same people who gave the long wind bag speeches before Petraeus testified.

I would not have even thought about it again, if John from Tampa hadn’t mentioned Turkey to begin with.

I was just joking with you about being scared of Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize - I know you couldn’t give a sh!t about that.

Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin are a couple of “rosters” in and of themselves aren’t they?

Yeah, I would hate to be on the same list as Jimmy Carter, the Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mother Teresa as well - what losers.

By Religion Rules

October 11, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

efsr,

I am something you may have never heard of at least 95% on this blog havent heard of i am an American, not Dem, repug or liberal. And like Bosch said i am sick of christian hypocrites.

And to your comment:

“Why do bleating libs always get behind a loser like Gore?”

You should be asking the Bush lovers why they support him, he is the one who has destroyed our country the past 6 years, not Al Gore….

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Give ‘em hell Harry!

You are right on!

By RE

October 11, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks again for pointing out how hard christians have it in this country. Never get tired of hearing it, usually 2 or 3 times a day on this blog

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t Paul Revere be yelling, “the British are cutting and running, The British are cut-and-running”.

It sounds more like “The british r coming”.

Turkey finally played the Kurd Card. Remember, they did not allow a flyover of their airspace during the invasion of Iraq which would have saved a lot of american lives, and given us more options after mission accomplished, yet Bush considers them our strongest Muslim Ally. Then there’s the genocide of 1915. Turkey.

I guess I’ll have to google the armenian massacre of 1915. Turkey denies it saying it was nothing more than some “good, clean killin’”

By getalife

October 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

“Broken Government” “I never thought that the GOP posed a threat to the well-being of our nation. But these days, I no longer recognize my old party.”

For those who like to read about reality, there are excerpts from his book in that link. Not you wingnuts.

Great stuff.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

That’s play what thing doesn’t look like the other on your list.

Jimmy freaking Carter????? Have you ever seen a dictator anywhere that didn’t have Jimmy’s lips planted firmly on their rumps?

The list also includes Mr. Oil for Food himself Kofi Annan.

Now would you mind taking a stab at the question of what trying to scare the world into thinking if they don’t bankrupt America they are going to die of floods and massive heatwaves has to do with Peace?

By getalife

October 11, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

From RW’s link:

“They have focused on just a few issues, flag-burning, gay marriage, abortion,” Reid said. “The country has gone beyond that to other issues. We have a country that needs to do something about health care. Global warming is here. We have a president who doesn’t know how to pronounce the words.”

Bwa.

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Can you imagine being a Congressional Medal of Honor winner stuck on a list with L. Paul (“all you iraqi army guys are fired and take your guns with you)Bremer and George “slam dunk” Tenet!

Makes the whole award seem a little less meaningful don’t it.

By mm

October 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

As usual, you put facts in the face of RW and Duh and they cut and run, resorting to name calling and claiming you have to pay to read the article.

Losers. Liars.

By RE

October 11, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Can anyone tell me who put that genocide bill out for a vote, and who voted for it?

By Gonna Love 08

October 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Now the Gay Ole Party is attacking 12 year olds. Go read the Time article titled The Swift Boating of Graeme Frost, the 12 year old who delivered the Dems response to Dubyay Veto of CHIP. Yep those Repugs are real brave, they dont serve their country (Dubya, Cheney, Rummy), yet attack those who do (Kerry, Cleland) and now turn their Roveian tricks on a 12 year old. You have to be real proud of your party….

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm October 11, 2007 2:15 PM As usual, you put facts in the face of RW and Duh and they cut and run, resorting to name calling and claiming you have to pay to read the article. Losers. Liars.}}}}

m is for moron: Not only can you not research or fact check, now you can’t read?

RW said quite clearly that your link will not open.

That is a nice way to deflect actual debate and probably works pretty well in moonbatville, but I’m a Conservative so I will wait patiently for you to show me the facts.

Duh.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Well RW,

When you put it that way, nothing.

But I think the moral questions Al Gore has raised in the national and international arena regarding the proper use of our natural resources and stewardship of our planet makes him eligible.

(doesn’t that just make you want to throw up?)

Just found this: “Alfred Nobel wrote in his will that the peace prize was to be given “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”’

I think Al Gore’s message has brought a fraternity between nations in battling global warming and finding solutions on an international scale to combat this problem.

I know you disagree, but apparently those who choose the Noble Peace Prize disagree with you, and so do I.

Bankrupting America is the least of our worries if just an iota of what scientists say is true about global warming.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

“THE BRITISH ARE CUTTING! THE BRITISH ARE RUNNING!”

That doesn’t really work, does it? Lets see, should rhyme with coming….should mean the opposite of coming…..should have some reference to GOP nonsensical slogans in order to serve the liberals on “Debunker Hill”…..no, cutting or running must appear here.

“Leaving” is at first correct and original, but the aftertaste is bitter and it doesn’t sail.

By bon scott

October 11, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

He may not deserve it, but I sure hope he gets it.

Sen. Barbara Boxer’s office just contacted us to say former Vice President Al Gore has been called “overseas” for a trip related to his work on global warming and has canceled his scheduled appearance Thursday in San Francisco at a fundraiser for Boxer’s re-election effort.

This is more fun than throwin’ frogs into a frying pan and watchin’ em jump. “Gore geting the Nobel PEACE PRIZE????” AAAAAAUGHHH!! The anguish from the fossilized REMFs who make up the base of the GOP is deafening!!

And the jerk isn’t even RUNNING for anything.

Stand back ye alleged patriotic neocons, ye misguided GOPsprites and see what you have created!!!!

Because if it weren’t for you… yes YOU, you titanium hugging nearsighted sexist xenophobes who excel at making mountains out of molehills while raging on about alleged character and moral flaws… If it wasn’t for you, churning over Whitewater and what was in Sandy’s socks…. if it wasn’t for YOU, politicians like Al and Bill and Hillary would be bad answers on Jeopardy, and not the next generation of America’s leaders.

Keep up the good work.

Morans.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

RW(the original)

Can you imagine tryng to have a conversation with bosch? It is like running around a maze.

You answer a question he asks on a specific subject. Then he brings up something else you did NOT mention. After that he wants to know why you brought up the subject, the one you have never mentioned!!!

Pointless, bosch says. He’s right about that. Attempting to get something across to bosch is like wading through mud. Not worth the try.

By RE

October 11, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

authors of the bill:

Mr. SCHIFF (for himself, Mr. RADANOVICH, Mr. PALLONE, Mr. KNOLLENBERG, Mr. SHERMAN, and Mr. MCCOTTER

Bi-partisan stupidity.

Why on earth bring this up now, what, is there not enough tension in the middle east, someone come up with the idea that now would be a great time to upset the only stable muslim country in the region?

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Have you read Gores book,

Assault on Reason?

It’s a tough read, yellow highligher stuff but great.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Maddow: “Twelve year old Graeme Frost, meet Cindy Sheehan, meet 9/11 widows, meet Staff Sgt. Brian McGough, meet Michael J. Fox, meet the kids who were targeted by Mark Foley, meet Jack Murtha. I mean, Graeme Frost as a twelve year old now joins an esteemed list of Americans who have been personally attacked, personally slimed, called liars and cowards and frauds, and threatened for daring to publicly espouse a view that the right disagrees with. I mean, just when you think you’ve found the person who they can’t possibly slime, I don’t know, say a twelve year old kid just out of a coma, turns out yeah, the bar does actually go that low, it’s just astonishing.”

Astonishing? No.

Disgusting? Yes.

No Shame? Yes.

Pathetic? Of course.

By John in Tampa, FLA

October 11, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

With the Brits leaving I would have to say the COALITION is down to C

By getalife

October 11, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

RE,

The dems have been trying to bring it to a vote in the House for 20 years.

Now is not the time to try again.

Turkey is shelling Northern Iraq and will vote to invade on Monday.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife: “Pathetic” is overused. If Bush says it, it’s over. So is playing the “get your meds” card. So is any ref to Heetler, (unt his wife Teetler)

or mussolini and his wife pussolini.

Just stay away from those few words, and your blogs will be perfect. thank you and have a nice day

By getalife

October 11, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

My blogs are far from perfect PF.

Just call em like I see em.

Thank you and have a nice day too.

By RE

October 11, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

It is like watching a trainwreck. Bush was absolutely right to try and quash this bill.

This is like a playbook on how to START a world war. Open GOP threats on Syria and Iran. Israeli threats to Syria and Iran. Dem threats to Pakistan. Now we have an insult being leveled at Turkey, for no benefit, that would push them further away from the US. What is the US military response when Turkey rolls into Kurdistan? The one somewhat calm and functioning piece of Iraq is now in a state of much greater threat.

Idiotic

By juan

October 11, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

“People should not vote for any Republican, because they’re dangerous, dishonest and self-serving.”

No response from the wingers?

Pussolinis.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bon scott October 11, 2007 2:37 PM Because if it weren’t for you… yes YOU, you titanium hugging nearsighted sexist xenophobes who excel at making mountains out of molehills while raging on about alleged character and moral flaws… If it wasn’t for you, churning over Whitewater and what was in Sandy’s socks…. if it wasn’t for YOU, politicians like Al and Bill and Hillary would be bad answers on Jeopardy, and not the next generation of America’s leaders.}}}}

Um, you voted for them not us.

Duh.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I realize you don’t understand my logic, and to be honest, I think you are just upset because I shot down your advances.

ITN,

No I haven’t read that book - I like the “yellow highlighter stuff” comment.

Isn’t that cute, now Dusty is so embarrassed I called out her crush on me and you yesterday, she doesn’t have the courage to speak to us?

That’s pretty typical - when you are rejected you turn on them and they suddenly become stupid in your eyes. Can’t you just hear “That’s okay, they’re stupid, I didn’t like them anyway — HMPH!”?

RE,

I was thinking about what you said earlier, and I agree with you. Why bother? It seems kind of passive agressive to me.

I really think this makes the Dems look weak - Bush vetoes every effort they make to end the war, so they p!ss off Turkey? It just doesn’t make any sense.

By mm

October 11, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Duh, you and RW are complete morons. The link at 1:40 works just fine. Click on the link, scroll to the top of the page, then read. No wonder our country is in such bad shape under the control of wingnut morons.

Just goes to show when faced with facts you cut and run.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

I know, it is like they know the world is coming to an end and said screw it.

Insane.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm October 11, 2007 3:06 PM Duh, you and RW are complete morons. The link at 1:40 works just fine. Click on the link, scroll to the top of the page, then read. No wonder our country is in such bad shape under the control of wingnut morons.}}}}

m is for moron: Duh, you have a subscription so they let you see the content, we don’t so it is an advertisement, duh.

Duh, geez, could you libs hold a meeting with this idiot?

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Getalife, Exactly.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

So which is it, are liberals like little Muslims or are Muslims like little liberals?:

{{{{The Muslim scholars state: “As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes.”}}}}

Um, 9/11, jihad and all that??

Duh.

Hell, they even whine like liberals.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh,

I think they need to corner (m)ental (m)idget in the Monnbat(ic)® clubhouse and hold an intervention.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Holy crap, Lake Lanier is drying up.

I blame duh and his ilk.

By RE

October 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Anyone wanting to drop a line to Pellosi and express an opinion on the genocide bill, here is her addy

AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

I’m glad the Congress voted on the Armenian resolution. Yeah, it’ll probably hurt our relations with Turkey. Whatever. It was the right thing to do, and it’s Turkey’s problem if they can’t deal with that.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

RE,

The problem with Pelosi is that she has a large Armenian population in her district that she’s been making promises to.

I’m glad you see how asinine this resolution is.

getalife,

{{{{{“They have focused on just a few issues, flag-burning, gay marriage, abortion,” Reid said. “The country has gone beyond that to other issues. We have a country that needs to do something about health care. Global warming is here. We have a president who doesn’t know how to pronounce the words.”

Bwa.}}}}}

Is that why we’re debating the Ottoman Empire?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 11, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

-=-

Hey Duh-0-Nut —

Muslims are conservative — not liberal — very conservative like YOU!…

Now as to man damaging his own environment — lets take a look at something that will effect us all here in Atlanta VERY SOON..

No Water FOR YOU!

So when man plays with Nature - Just remember Nature loves to play right back!

Lets start seriously worrying about our environment. Pollution will affect (and harm) us all. No one is immune.

Unless your fine living in a dirty poisoned and polluted fishbowl like the “stick your head in the sand like Andy” crowd here. Pigstys are just fine in their book.

Cheers’

Thomas

By mm

October 11, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t have a subscription to Nature. I went through Google. Maybe they have a moron detector built into their website.

But seriously, I’ll try this from home. You want facts. I’ll give you facts.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Congress HASN’T voted on the Armenian resolution. Not only is that fact all over the news it’s also written several times up ^^^ there. Please try to keep up.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, Yes, but can’t part of Turkey’s problem with that not letting us use them as a stepping stone into Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m all for the war ending and all, but I’m not so sure this is a step in the right direction. Wouldn’t it be more useful for us to have Turkey as an ally?

But then again, I’m not going to sit here and pretend I’m an expert on Turkey/U.S. relations. I’m sure there’s more to this, care to elaborate?

How was the lecture?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Then post the google link since you get a one time guest pass when you go through google.

By RE

October 11, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It is a damn site more than turkey’s problem. If we were not currently in Iraq, than I would agree with you. I do not think we should be in Iraq right now, but the reality is that we are and we will be there for at least the next year. Passing this resolution strains relations that are already under duress, insulting an ally with a meaningless resolution is idiotic.

This is a bill that would actually endanger US troops, that phrase gets thrown around all the time and is way overused, being applied to newspaper ads and speachs by country singers, but this is for real.

For a goof, lets try to maintain a few allies in the world.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

I watched Pelosi’s explanation about calling attention to the Darfur genocide, which is good, but what about Iraqi genocide?

Terrible timing and could be voted on after the Iraq genocide is done.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Right Wing Reading : Note the price

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

RE,

“that phrase gets thrown around all the time and is way overused, being applied to newspaper ads and speachs by country singers”

Don’t forget us here on this blog, don’t forget how we endanger the troops too by encouraging the terrorists, and hope they win, and —

what else do we do? I can’t keep up with all the BS.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Actually, bosch, if you showed any logic I would recognize it.

But…(for others) I am interested in this Turkish genocide bill which at this point is only a resolution adopted by the (Democratic-led) House of Representative Foreign Affairs Committee. It has NOT been voted on by the whole chamber. Discussion will probably come up in November.

Against the wishes of the President, Sec. Gates, the ambassador to Turkey, Sec. Rice and others; Democratic House Leader Pelosi says she will bring it to the floor.

Turks are very upset at the prospect of this resolution passing. The Turkish ambassador has returned home. There is the probability that Turkey could shut down one of the largest US airbases in the Middle East, a major supply point to Iraq.

President Abdullah Gul of Turkey said that this is a “petty game of domestic politics”.

I think he is correct. What we have here is another Democratic led resolution to disrupt any American effort in Iraq. Another “support the troops” move by Democrats.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Bosch — Turks committed genocide. The fact that they are not happy about the rest of the world realizing it does not detract from that fact. I have had an Armenian roommate, and for that whole country that is still an open wound, much like the Holocaust is still an open wound for us Jews. Germany has come to terms with its past. To a certain degree so has Russia. It won’t hurt Turkey too much to do the same.

I fail to see how not having Turkey as a “stepping stone” is a terrible problem. Maybe that will make us less likely to invade.

The lecture was pretty great, actually. Penrose is a good lecturer, and while I did not understand large chunks of the lecture (I still have no idea what he means by “conformal transformation of spacetime”), it was interesting. It was also, quite possibly, complete BS, since it dealt with his ideas of what came “before” Big Bang, but it had interesting ideas to ponder.

RW — the resolution is to be voted upon by the full House, I think. You’re right, for once.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 11, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

-=-

I have to agree — The Turkey resolution should not have even been brought to the floor in congress. This is a very bad political hot potatoe.

1) Turkey is militarily in a stop-gap location between Russia and the mideast, and has always walked a fine line of diplomacy between world powers. It is not wise to make them enemys of the USA.

2) This resolution has no place being brought up in USA congress as we really have no jurisdiction to dictate world affairs of this nature, nor should we. This is an issue that should reside with international courts and the U.N. only..

3) It will serve absoultly no benefit to the USA and it’s citizens, it will only serve to make issues worse for us in the mid-east.

But sadly it will now be used as a political punching bag.

I guess the sentiments could be expressed thusly:

Turkey and Iran! Play Nice! Or else we will bring Democracy to YOUR countries TOO!…

Cheers’ —

Thomas

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

RE, I’m of the opinion that we should do the right thing, even if it p!sses someone off. Turkey is not in position to threaten us, and if they want to shut down the air base, let them. The resolution is meaningful to Armenians, and I’m partial to them since I’ve known several. I can imagine being pretty upset if no one acknowledged the Holocaust because it might “upset the Germans”.

By @@

October 11, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

RE:

Thanks for the lifeline to Pelosi. I’m on it. You may not remember, but I expressed concern that the Democrats (yes, a few Republicans too) were pressing on this resolution. I just never thought that they would be so stupid.

30% of the fuel used by our troops in Iraq is transported through an airbase in Turkey not to mention 95% of the new Mind Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles our guys need to protect them from IEDs.

This is one of those instances where a small “special interest” group, Armenian immigrants and descendants can really muck up the works big time.

By IN THE NEWS

October 11, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

[[[‘Three people’ in Cheney’s office tried to silence Matthews. Last week, Chris Matthews revealed that officials in Vice President Cheney’s office have repeatedly called MSNBC in an effort to influence his editorial content. In a new interview with TV Guide, Matthews gives more details on the suppression campaign:

I thought on the 10th anniversary it would be good to celebrate the First Amendment, which gives us all our living. We reviewed in brief the remarkable experience of covering the Clinton [scandal] and the defense of the war with Iraq. And the difference in these two cases was that although I was extremely tough on Clinton, there was never any attempt to silence me — whereas there was a concerted effort by [Vice President Cheney’s office] to silence me. It came in the form of three different people calling trying to quiet me.]]]]

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Hey! finchie’s here.

finchie,

What do think about our northern states getting their neonatal care units jam packed full of Canadians that can’t get their “free” health care?

By RE

October 11, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

I hear ya on the armenians. I met an armenian family a while back when I went to china, very interesting take on how a communist government operates when it comes from a non-US citizen.

Anyway when Turkey was brought up they did have a deep and justified hatred.

But now is not the time.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Yeah, I always get confused with the whole conformal transformation of spacetime too :-) Just kidding. I’ve sat through many lectures that could be complete BS, either because they are too boring and I’ve fallen asleep, or I just didn’t get it.

I see your point about it being the right thing to do, and I totally agree, but I think it’s bad timing. I think we can all agree it’s right, but why now?

I think you are right about what you said about my stepping stone metaphor too, but we need a stepping stone to get troops OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan too.

I’m a little tired of non-binding feel good resolutions. Those are just fine when we we’re not at war.

By @@

October 11, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

In addition…I’m not totally convinced the decision to push the resolution was purely for “special interest” unless you can call the Democrats’ interest in hamstringing the Iraq War special.

I’ve grown suspicious that way.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

It is a Tom Lantos bill who knows a little about genocide. They claim it is to reestablish our moral standard in the world.

He thinks the Turkish government will not break ties due to their interests, which means we are paying them millions to use their country.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I don’t think we can all agree that the resolution is the right thing to do at least at some point in time. I don’t think it’s any of our business and as slimy as it makes me feel I agree completely with Thomas/Walt/PNAC and his three bullet points on this one.

Isn’t our involvement in something that has nothing to do with us in a foreign country supposed to be a neocon thing?

The new face of neocondom is rushncap. How weird is that?

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife October 11, 2007 3:25 PM Holy crap, Lake Lanier is drying up. I blame duh and his ilk.}}}}

al-Gitmo: Why are you blaming me, is it because I, unlike the common liberal, take a bath every night?

That’s why you and Sir Dullard of GasBaghdad are so in favor of emptying Lanier out, so you don’t have to wash up anymore.

Did you read that whole article, how about the AJC having to cut loose with the Sturgeon information a week after I scooped them on it, they couldn’t keep hiding the fact that some environmental nitwit caused us to dump billions of gallons of water for 8 little fishies.

That’s the power of Duh.

Something I didn’t know was that we release from Lanier twice as much water as we use every day, um, I hate to break the news to them incestuous little bas-tards down stream, but I know who’s going to win this battle.

Duh.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t Paul Revere be yelling “The Beeyatches are coming! The Beeyatches are coming!” referring to the arrival of all the groupies for Fred Thompson now that he’s become such a big star via the televised debate?

By getalife

October 11, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Methinks the Armenian lobby gave more money than the Turkish lobby.

Geez.

By Anonymous

October 11, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow, watch this space (or tune in to talk radio) for a lot of scrambling to pre-emptively spit on the Nobel Peace Prize, just in case Gore wins it.

The Rushbots and Bushdrones will be frothing and screaming on cue about how evil and “anti-American” those awards are if they don’t toe the Perpetual War agenda of the neocons.

And all REAL Americans, along with the rest of the world, will look at their watches and wonder how much longer we have to put up with these losers.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

duh,

Pray harder for rain.

Geez.

By @@

October 11, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

This stupid resolution on top of the three-state Iraq proposal has got the Turks antsy.

Who was it that proposed that Iraq be divided? Oh yea…Joe Biden.

Shoulda known. Don’t touch that stove @@.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

@@,

I don’t think you need to just be suspicious that the Democrat party is doing this to cause friction in Turkey just so they can make things tougher in Iraq.

They’ll probably try to declare war on Kuwait next and see if they can box our guys in completely.

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

{…whereas there was a concerted effort by [Vice President Cheney’s office] to silence me.}

ITN, I am shocked! Shocked I say!

That the man who is the very paragon of open government and who fully endorses the uniquely American value of reasoned dissent would allow such a thing!

Even though I was pretty young, I always thought I would never see another mean little pr!ck like Spiro Agnew in Washington again!

But when it comes to the GOP, never say never I suppose.

The more the Republican screw ups in DC change, the more they stay the same.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

{{{{{And all REAL Americans, along with the rest of the world, will look at their watches and wonder how much longer we have to put up with these losers.}}}}}

The Pelosovitch regime is not even a year old. Give the gal a chance.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

@@,

The Senate voted yes for the Biden plan.

Most of the gop too.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Here we go, rushncap wants us to do “the right thing”. Why yes. Absolutely. And while we are showing how benevolent we are over something that happened about 100 years ago, let’s get updated with Darfur, Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwee and probably Congo and Sierra Leone.

But Democrats are not interested in African genocides. They only want to make resolutions that might shut down one of our major MidEast military supply lines to Iraq.. As rushncap posted “it might make us less likely to invade”.

Yes, it might and it also might cause many more American soldiers to be killed.

Democrats have made war funding stop gap. Now comes a resolution endangering American military.

Yes, @@, I am just a bit suspicious myself.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

October 11, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

-=-

First RW — It’s only Thomas/PNAC… always has been…. So get over it!

Not Walt,

Not any other poster on this board!

OK!…??

Now the other issue - is we really must understand in this country that Turkey is extremely important as a strategic location in the world and having Turkey friendly - or even a “Switzerland Nuetral” is vital to the security of the United States forces in the middle east, and NATO. And this is a point known by all countries in the middle east and Russia and China.

If you rile up Turkey and they break from all treaties, agreements, trade, etc… then you will really see a disaster in the middle east powder keg, and that would be something we could never fix. It would be very bad for the USA and we might as well pack up and go home and become the new Iron Curtain country.

Since we seem to be heading back to “Cold War” status with Russia again, then we better start gathering our allies again and not lose any we still have left. And Turkey is an important ally. Now that is something that the Bush administration failed at. Diplomacy!

Yes what happened in the case of the Armenians was definitly wrong, and it is but one attrocity in the world today amongst many. But again the USA should not get in the middle of this issue, and we should only support the issue in spirit in the U.N. and World courts. We have got to quit being the world police! This is a matter between Turkey and the Armenians alone! Not US!…

Thomas

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Bosch, RE, I agree, timing is probably very poor right now. I see the timing as an effort to spite the Bush administration, and make their job even harder. Hardly the best motive, I agree. But at a certain point, you take what you can get, when you can get it. If doing the right thing just to spite the Shrub is what it takes to get it done, then it’s something I’m willing to live with. But yes, I’d prefer a better time.

@@ still squealing like a stuck pig about how horrible the 3 state solution is without bothering even once to explain why.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Put lipstick on that pig!

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Staff who organized the trips advised the NASCAR-bound aides to get a range of vaccines before attending — hepatitis A, hepatitis B, tetanus, diphtheria and influenza.

The Republican staffers laughed off this suggestion while the scared and bigoted Democrats lined up and got their shots.

By getalife

October 11, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

dusty just used Pelosi’s argument.

It is getting weird up in here.

Geez.

By RE

October 11, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

I would not attribute the motive to trying to stymie the iraq war or make Bush’s job harder. I think it is much more likely that the members of congress are shortsighted and ignorant, trying to please the armenian population in the home district without looking at the broader picture.

By @@

October 11, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

(((The Senate voted yes for the Biden plan.)))

You’re the one who’s always saying all politicians suck. They do what makes them appealing to the voter.

Bush, a president who ignores the polls, is strongly opposed to this resolution and has been warning against it for a long long time.

I guess that makes him a GOPer outstanding in his field on foreign policy.

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

There is never a shortage of blubbering idiots on this blog who are apparently immune to the idea that evidence and facts count for something more than their as-shole like opinions.

In this case it is in regards to those dipsticks who are moaning and groaning about the evil, subversive, conspiratorial Democrats on this Armenian Genocide Resolution vote.

Eight of the 22 Republicans in that committeee voted aye.

For you mathematically challenged neo-cons that’s about 36%.

And eight of the 26 Dems voted no. Which is about 31%.

Call me crazy but that sounds pretty bipartisan.

By @@

October 11, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Has anybody here noticed how adept I have become at ignoring rushncap. Does anybody here think that rushncap is capable of the same self discipline I have displayed.

The clock starts after this response.

A three-state Iraq is not desired by the Iraqi government or it’s people. It would involve displacement of families along tribal lines. There are inter-tribal marriages. Oil revenues would be disproportionate.

Would rushncap want someone telling him to “uproot” or would he reserve that right as a “personal privilege”?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

There’s never a shortage of Huge Blowhard’s on this board like, AmWet here, that can’t follow a conversation to save his a$$.

The point of some of us is that the Congress has no business in this resolution taking place, others think it should when it’s more convenient and still one other thinks it’s damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.

The breakdown of the committee members isn’t discussed at all and Republican support for the measure has been noted.

Where the partisan speculation falls is on the why now question. Too bad Blowhard is too busy stroking himself to figure that out.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Well, rushncap, you do write well. Who could have written the Democrat’s motto any better? Send it to Pelosi. She’ll love it.

Here’s what rushncap wrote in case you missed it: “But, at a certain point, you take what you can get, when you can get it. If doing the right thing just to spite the Shrub (president) is what it takes to get it done, then it is something I’m willing to live with.”

And rushncap doesn’t m;ind losing the war either. Just something he is willing “to live with”.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Wow, @@ is so amazing. Let’s all fall down and worship @@’s refusal to respond to… er, nevermind. I guess her post to me about how she’s ignoring me is only amusing if you care about things like consistency.

@@ does not know what Iraqis desire, but, of course, she assumes they desire whatever Bush desires. The one thing we DO know they desire (for us to leave) she is of course not interested in because they’re not desiring the right thing.

Iraq is an artificial state, created by the British with no concern for anything other than the their own needs. I’m not certain that dividing Iraq is the best idea, but considering that Shrub is against it, that must mean it has at least some merit. @@’s “it’s baaaaa-aaaad” notwithstanding.

Feel free to respond to me about how you’re not responding to me, @@.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Dusters — when you’re capable of elucidating thoughts at an adult level, let me know. Maybe I’ll actually take you seriously then.

By Dusty

October 11, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

rushncapers,

I don’t care to be on YOUR level for anything. Who would want to be that low?

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t Paul Revere be yelling, “Jenna Bush wont be coming. Jenna Bush wont be coming!”

Turkey wants to rid the humid planet of Kurds, (and they have ways). We need to publicize the genocide of the Armenians to der verld so that the Turks wont repeat their beneficence upon the Kurds.

By @@

October 11, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

I never…ever…do this but

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!! Five @@s in one post.

Thanks for the memory!!!

By getalife

October 11, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

@@,

Oh, w is against it.

OMG, he is never wrong about anything. Geez.

Sorry , they have partioned themselves into sectarian groups to escape the genocide or left. The cleansing is slowing down.

All is left is the Iraqi government and they are leaning towards it.

Try to keep up @@.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

….of being here with you, and your blog’s just so cool…..

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think you’re hunting over a baited field.

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Why is it when I mention blubbering idiots and dipsticks some take it to mean them personally, though they are never named? Almost without exception!

Oh well, if the foo sh!ts…

You gotta love it.

It was enjoyable watching Carter talk about the neo-con characteristic of simply redefining something/anything so as to not violate the standard accepted definition.

His example was on torture. Bush’s train wreck of an administration says we don’t torture. How? By redefining torture and completely ignoring the standards prescribed and universally accepted among modern nations for over 60 years through various internationally accepted treaties including the Geneva Convention, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.

No wonder the intellectually-challenged “faithful” on this blog try it so often.

Just make sh!t up as you go along and hope people don’t catch it.

What a way to go through life.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Anonymous October 11, 2007 4:26 PM Tomorrow, watch this space (or tune in to talk radio) for a lot of scrambling to pre-emptively spit on the Nobel Peace Prize, just in case Gore wins it. The Rushbots and Bushdrones will be frothing and screaming on cue about how evil and “anti-American” those awards are if they don’t toe the Perpetual War agenda of the neocons.}}}}

What an excellent observation, as-sonomyous, and I couldn’t have found a better lead in:

Why, exactly, do Conservatives worry about awards that liberals lovingly bestow upon other liberals and the accompanying absurd displays of narcissistic grand standing?

And have you ever noticed how Conservatives tend to avoid these vain, incestuous displays of self infatuation, instead focusing on winning important things like the Global War On Terror and Limbaugh huge ratings over air america’s pitiful tiny ones?

No, let them parade around their own little world in peace, let them descend upon themselves in an mutual self congratulatory orgy of egotistical phony windbags.

I for one am proud to see that al-Gore will soon be joining the “glorious” company of Yassar Arafat, hahaha.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

@@ — I pity your life is this is “memorable” to you. Actually, I pity your life regardless…

Dusters, I guess it will take you a few more decades to grow up. Oh well…

By getalife

October 11, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

PF,

Here is a Columbus Day joke:

Columbus was a pioneer for conservation.

He was the first to get 1000 miles per galleon.

Bwa.

By bon scott

October 11, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

The heck with Cyprus. Wrong place, wrong time for a debate on the vision of that island. Turks bad, but sometimes good. Greeks good, but sometimes very VERY bad. Cheezborgo cheezborgo, no fries, cheeps. No coke pepsi. Maybe they’d command Cheney’s interest if they had OIL…. but no.

Just like the neocumms here. All bluster and threats. No facts. Andy, PLEASE stay on your meds.

Been in northern California lots in recent months. ZERO influx of neo-natal Canada cases. So your water’s being spiked too, RW?? Or are you just another angry old white man?

Canadians are happy. Socialized medicine is the future. It’s cheaper, and it’s more elegant. Doesn’t treat some people like dirt (for a review, visit your nearest VA hospital. THEN visit nearest private nursing home that isn’t supported by last century’s Paris Hiltons).

I’m as leery of Hillary as the next genuine American. But she beats the he!! out of everything on the GOP’s plate. Now THERE’S a lost cause. They all think they’re Reagan. And who is this finchie? Is he running too? Seems to have messed up your head.

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet October 11, 2007 5:25 PM Just make sh!t up as you go along and hope people don’t catch it. What a way to go through life.}}}}

Yes, Dimvet, you liberals would never stray from reality:

{{{{Jimmah Carter: Well, first of all, I think we should be communicating with the Iranians directly, through diplomatic means. Even after the shah was overthrown, we still maintained diplomatic relations with Iran—in fact, that’s proven by the fact that my hostages were in Tehran. They had an equal number of diplomats in Washington, about 75 or so, and we should be communicating with them.}}}}

And this little gem:

{{{{Referring to the Iran hostage crisis, Carter said, “I have a specific regret in not having one more helicopter when I wanted to rescue our hostages. If I had had one more helicopter, they would have been rescued. I might have been reelected president.”}}}}

Nutso, baby.

By @@

October 11, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

(((I think you’re hunting over a baited field.)))

Noooooooo RW. How can that be possible? ;-)

The difference between the past resolutions and this resolution.

(((Already much of that damage is being done, though the vote by the House Foreign Affairs Committee yesterday – taken in the presence of four Armenian survivors of the World War I-era events – mirrors one passed by a wider margin in 2005 and another in 2000 that were withdrawn. This time, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she will bring the nonbinding resolution to a vote of the full House, perhaps in mid-November.)))

Would Nancy trip wire our troops to gain Armenian praise or is there something else clumsily afoot?

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bonnie scott October 11, 2007 5:33 PM (for a review, visit your nearest VA hospital. THEN visit nearest private nursing home that isn’t supported by last century’s Paris Hiltons}}}}

Geez, this is like shooting finches in a barrel:

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army’s Top Medical Facility

bonnie: Try not to descend into madness during this visit, it’s only a blog my man.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Take a look at my 4:05 and see if you can figure out that bonscott is finchie. Socialized medicine is a topic finchie will go to the ends of the earth to lie about and support. It’s almost like he has some big consulting stake in it and sees your pain as his gain.

Is that why you libs are always accusing Republicans of profiteering? More projection I guess.

Nothing to see here finchie, but others may be interested

By getalife

October 11, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

President Carter said cheney is a disaster and Rudy is foolish.

Duh.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Then there’s this

The first paragraph on page 2 is our future for newborns and the sickest or oldest among us.

There’s no room here, just let ‘em die. Thanks libs!

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

RW(the oralcavity), do you really think it’s Pfinz? The Pfinz? The guy who works on his boat in Sad Diego from the ole Yahoo message boards? Do you really think it’s him?

or is it another guy who just like jimmy buffet?

Remember the “BEWARE” guy? He’d ambush a blog with reams of bandwidth that just said “BEWARE”, cause he was kicked off a personal chatroom or something, i never got the whole story, but what fun!

By mm

October 11, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Duh, RW,

Evidently my employer has a subscription to Nature. I tried accessing the article from home with no luck.

The truth IS out there.

But you just go ahead and keep your head in the sand and ignore science.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Why are you cheating your employer out the time you should spend turning him or her a profit?<——that’s rhetorical. I don’t need to read another weepy testimonial about how you’re the best the company has so you get rewarded with blog time.

As I mentioned earlier if you access an article directly from google most sites have a guest pass access into the article. If you post the google page you found the link on and tell us which item to click we may be able to see all this hidden awe and wonder that Nature magazine has to offer.

By @@

October 11, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

If I’m forced to look at it, I rather enjoy watching Putin’s maneuvers foiled for now.

(((Representatives from Ukraine, Poland, Azerbaijan and Georgia met in Lithuania on Oct. 10 to discuss energy issues, forging an agreement to link up with an oil transport network explicitly designed to minimize Russian influence.)))

BTW, the movement against Hugo Chavez has already been given a name.

The Marigold Revolution. Keep your eyes open for protests on college campuses in Venezuela.

By TW

October 11, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

@@ - Does filling up at Citgo mean we support Chaves AND Giuliani? Or just Chavez? Or just Giuliani?

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

CNN is reporting the Marine Commander is suggesting they pull out of Iraq and go to Afghanistan. He says the Army can stay in Iraq.

So many things that can be said about this - where to go with this?

The Army commander is probably thinking, “Sh!T why didn’t I think of this first!”

The Marines are getting fed up with Iraq. Well, aren’t we all?

Gates is saying, Oh hell no.

The Marine commander wants to actually fight on the front where bin Laden is.

Gee, there’s so much.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

“Nature” is a journal, RW. “Y’All” is a magazine.

On the upside, I too am indignant that Nancy Pelosi dared to quibble when the Shrub violated Geneva Convention AND U.S. laws. That b!tch!

By @@

October 11, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

TW:

You buy your gas at Citgo? I get my gas at BJs (not to be confused with Clinton’s bjs).

It’s cheaper by the gallon.

What price did Clinton pay at his bj?

Do you remember?

By bon scott

October 11, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

There’s no room here, just let ‘em die. Thanks libs!

You really, really don’t get around much, do you RW?

A couple score of neonatal care patients out of a population of MILLIONS does not a crisis make. Like I said, in northern California this is not an issue. Mexicans in maternity wards, maybe. Canadians????? You make me laugh, big boy.

Millions.. no 10s of millions of Americans without basic health care? Mostly children? I’m not laughing so much.

Hey, maybe I see you tomorrow, maybe I won’t. It’s off to the Carillon for me! I’ll have some fried okra for you.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

GFY rushncap, good for you. After three years you have finally found an error in one of my posts. Calling a journal a magazine is just a grievous error I don’t know whatever I can do to redeem it. /snark

If Pelosi has proof that President Bush is torturing people than perhaps she should file articles of impeachment rather that spewing unfounded rumor to be published all over the world. You reckon?

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Clinton paid a steep price for the BJ. Maybe he should’ve gone to @@’s place — she’s cheaper ‘by the gallon’.

Oh well… live and learn.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Did anyone happen to see Jimmy Carter slamming the Bush/Cheney machine last night?

I love Jimmy Carter - what a great human being.

I loved it when he said that Bush re-defines torture.

I loved it when he pointed out that Cheney is a militaristic (is that a word) giant when he didn’t have the guts to even join the military.

I loved it when he called Guiliani foolish.

He’s such a great man.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Like the marine commandant knows where OBL is.

Like even if he did know where OBL is located, that he’d know how to organize the offensive that would nail OBL.

I have no faith in the current crop of generals in the army or the marines to execute a plan to attack OBL. We simply dont have the talent to get Bin Laden.

Get Osama: This requires a total rethink of tactics on both the strategic and tactical level. You’d need trained bats, with firebombs attached to them, to find the caves where he might be and let him have it. In WW2, we had a trained bat corp that could do just that.

Why not afghanistan? We simply let the bats smell some beard dye, to give them a sense of where to focus their radar, and bats away!

It….could….work.

By Gonna Love 08

October 11, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Lucko Dumb,

I dont think Carters comments are as bad as

“Mission Accomplished”

which statement is worse to you? Oh let me guess, the guy who brokered Middle East peace or the guy who wont hunt down the people that attacked our country????

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

finchie,

What good would you eating fried okra do me? Big boy??

LuckoDuh,

I think your warning went unheeded. Let’s hope bonnie stays away tomorrow or it’s back to the sanitarium for him for sure. By the way, did you know he considers California to be a different continent than Georgia. He told us in a drunken rant over at my place a few months back.

Bosch,

Was the whole 6:14 an attempt at humor? One would think CNN would at least have a snippet on their web site, if not big blaring headlines.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

I reckon that Bush isn’t even bothering to deny that we torture people. He’s simply saying that he doesn’t call it torture. And he’s pretty sure the sky is ‘pink’ too… He’s Humpty Dumpty, with less wit. But yes, articles of impeachment should be filed, asap. And if Shrub spends the rest of his days in a brig in Levenworth, I would not shed a solitary tear.

By @@

October 11, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Oh my goodness, this is so sad…

(((The record of the American politicians who have won the Peace Prize since it was first handed out in 1901 shows that if you win, it’s an indication that your peak has passed.)))

Gore will have petered out. Lost his only remaining marble. Does this mean he’s gonna take his marble in his hand and go home?

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Sharon,

Dare I? Oh well, why not. That’s just too sweet.

Maybe Dusty could sign up for that job?

By TW

October 11, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

@@ - turns me on when you type about bjs. How about Giuliani marrying his sister that time? That do anything for ya’?

Seriously, for what Chavez is paying Giuliani he could get himself one heck of a bj - maybe even from someone he’s not related to??????

By Gonna Love 08

October 11, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

@@

I dont know how much Clinton paid for his bj’s but i do know the american people spent 42 million dollars on it, when it was a family matter and not a government matter. How about we spend that 42 million on actually investigating know war crimes by this administration? Oh i forgot that deals with real issues, not homophobia or sexual issues that the Gay ole Party loves to jump on….

By AmVet

October 11, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Though the gutless chickenhawks and neo-cons here support the war, do not mistake that for supporting the troops.

Just look at how some here practically take glee over the fact that the hero of the Texas ANG and his Republican sycophants cut benefits for veterans in 2003 to pass their $700 million plus tax cuts.

Actually if I remember correctly it was actually a 1% raise, which wasn’t even enough to cover inflation.

One percent.

And again in 2006: the administration’s budget proposal would require about two million higher-income veterans without service-related conditions to pay a $250 annual fee, as well as an $8 increase in copayments for prescription drugs, for FY 2006. Under the proposal, total funds for the Department of Veterans Affairs would increase to $68.2 billion, or by 1%. The budget proposal would eliminate federal funds for a program that provides long-term care for veterans and reduce funds for VA nursing home care by $351 million, which could lead to the elimination of about 5,000 nursing home beds administered by the department.

Even the most simple minded of these servile frauds could find story after story after story of returning vets who are getting shafted by these never served, never will Republican shills.

ANYBODY who thinks these service-avoiding neo-cons are concerned about fully funding the VA is living in a Republican alternate-reality.

Patton would have lined every one of them and their sick advocates up and had them shot.

By Bosch

October 11, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Oh no, RW,it was on about 30 minutes ago, tune in, I’m sure that Lou Dobbs will be yelling about it again.

Now, the snippets below were my attempts at being funny, but CNN was reporting that about 30 minutes ago. The commander was saying that Afghanistan was more suited to Marine tactics. Gee, I wonder why they haven’t been there all along if they are more suited to fighting in Afghanistan?

Let me go on record here with my opinion about Lou Dobbs:

He’s crazy.

By Bill

October 11, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Bush lied about the Y. Laura bush lied about Myrinmar. Cheney lied about his daughter’s lifestyle. Kerry told the truth about Lynn Cheney’s own duplicity. Kerry told the truth about Cambodia, and Vietnam.

Cheney lied about Rumsfeld’s complicity in the pentagon treason scandal. Bush lied about Cheney’s involvement in the Saddam/Al QUeda connection.

Kerry told the truth about everything, and Bush lied, yet, the supreme court decided to violate the constitution and annoint a president like he was king or something. Al Gore told the truth about global humidity and global warming. Bush lied about Rice’s rocket tube lie.

It was all lies. Lies! Kerry was all truth. Truth. RW is all moron. Moron!

Sharon Bailey: Do you really think our generals dont have talent?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I just wish somebody would file some charges so we could see what crimes you moonbats have already sentenced Bush to life in prison for are.

Talk about throwing away the Constitution, you’ve gone beyond trashing the concept of innocent until proven guilty, you don’t even want to bother with charges.

If you disagree with your opponent you can just lock them up in rushcap’s America. Fortunately you can’t in my America and I’m going to go out on a limb and say I’m in the vast majority on this one.

By bon scott

October 11, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

RW, you’d make P-T Barnum blush.

You simply MUST post the link where “I” (was it reeealy me?) or one of my alleged pseudonymns talked about California that way.

A few months back? I haven’t been to California in almost a year.

And unlike you, I don’t drink.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I guess we’ll get a little detail by morning. It’s hard to believe that if it’s as big a deal as you made it out that it isn’t running at the top of the web site and you just know it would be all over PMSNBC, which it isn’t.

By @@

October 11, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

I want to take this opportunity to recognize someone whom I have always respected.

Queen Latifah a regal act

I read where she told Ellen Degeneres that she wanted to adopt 18 kids but she wouldn’t go to Africa like Madonna. “It’ll be kids from America’s hood” she said.

Excellent!

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

bonnie,

Why are you always asking me out for a beer then? Oh and why are you named after that drunk that died in his own vomit? Was that the night you were allegedly out partying with him or was that some other time?

Now get out of here and eat my fried okra before it gets soggy!!! If you’re not too far north head over to Gilroy and get some garlic ice cream for dessert.

By Sharon Bailey

October 11, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Yes, Bill, I think our generals have blown every opportunity to win this war, and couldn’t or wont win it. They are too cautious, as Lincoln said, they have the “slows”.

Attack! ATTACK!

When I say attack, I mean attack now.

Wusses.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Since RW’s “brain” has been out on a beer run for the past several years, I’ll explain slowly.

If there was political will, Bush could be tried and almost certainly found guilty on the article of impeachment pertaining to, for instance, lying to the country about the danger Iraq posed and getting us involved in this war. There are many other, more minor, charges that can be brought, but this is the major one. Once ~convicted~ I would then not mind him spending the rest of his life in a brig.

Slow enough for your lone neuron to catch up, RW?

By Bill

October 11, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

I agree with you, Sharon, especially when we know for a fact that Rumsfeld refused Bush’s order to attack OBL in the summer of ‘02. That’s a fact. that’s treason. We should have an investigation. Do you agree?

By Luckoduh

October 11, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

So I’m turning on the TV to watch part 4 of “War” and here’s this freaking Brian Williams on PMSNBC (had it turned to that channel from Sunday night football, klown) and he was gushing over their new “environmentally friendly” studio, with hundreds of spotlights and thousands of monitors glaring ominously in the backdrop.

Geez, can’t you liberals even become aware of your own surroundings before you spout off your mindless nonsense?

{{{{By Gonna Love 08 October 11, 2007 6:29 PM Lucko Dumb, I dont think Carters comments are as bad as “Mission Accomplished” which statement is worse to you? Oh let me guess, the guy who brokered Middle East peace or the guy who wont hunt down the people that attacked our country????}}}}

Look at this “Alice in Wonderland” fantasy^^:

1) “Mission Accomplished”- You seen Saddam Hussein lately, numbnuts?

2) the guy who brokered Middle East peace or the guy- You mean the same “peace” that is raging across the whole Middle East ever since Carter was punked in front of the terrorists?

3) the guy who wont hunt down the people that attacked our country????- The same guy that kills al Qaeda terrorists everyday while you sheep bleat in the background wanting to surrender to them.

Moron.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

OMG. I agree with RE about this Phony Armenian Genocide Resolution!

Is this how the Pelosibrats plan to make the world love us again? By bungling diplomacy?

{{{{By rushncap October 11, 2007 3:57 PM | RE, I’m of the opinion that we should do the right thing, even if it p!sses someone off. Turkey is not in position to threaten us, and if they want to shut down the air base, let them. The resolution is meaningful to Armenians, and I’m partial to them since I’ve known several. I can imagine being pretty upset if no one acknowledged the Holocaust because it might “upset the Germans”. }}}

That^^^^ladies and gentlemen is why rushncap should stick to blogging about physics.

The foolhardy Rushncap would have us lose a crucial ally in the Middle East, who are critical to stability and security, because signing a meaningless resolution and giving Turkey the finger makes him feel good about himself.

Typical emotional moonbat response.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

The biggest problem I see with your scenario is that pesky problem that Bush didn’t lie and since that’s your centerpiece you’re going to have a really tough time with these unnamed “minor charges.” Want some quotes from 1998?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

That’s rich. Rushncap the congenital liar wants to bring Bush up on Impeachment charges because he claims Bush lied.

I’ll make a deal with you rushncap - if you bring Bush up on charges then Bill Clinton gets hauled in for a second time too, because it was his administration who told us that Saddam Hussein’s WMD’s were a threat that could not be ignored.

Since Hillary was the co-President she has to go along for the impeachment ride also.

Fair’s fair.

By rushncap

October 11, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

Muffin — I’d give you the finger too, but that would not make me feel any better, and PETA might be on my a$s to boot. If you have nothing to write — don’t.

RW — in 1998 we didn’t have that retard in the White House, so no, I don’t want “quotes from 1998”. And yes, he did lie. You know it as well as anyone, you’re just happier with his lies than with uncomfortable truth. Neocon to the bone. But we need people like you. Someone gotta clean the toilets…

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Here you go rushncap, most even have pictures and video so they should be right up your alley

Toilet cleaning? Is that the best ya got? Gawd dorm life really stunts your creativity. Especially when you stay for life.

By mike

October 12, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Steve Benson in Phoenix does a great jobs making George W. Hitler look like a moron. But you seem to do it slightly better then him.

You have done a bunch of great anti-Bush and anti-police state cartoons. Keep up the good work!

Buck Fush!

By Cliff Dunaway

October 15, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Cartoon is nearly illegible. Please make it larger. Much bigger at other sites.

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