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By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 08:44 PM

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By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Yes, Iranian “president” Imawhackjob should have spoke in front of the Atlanta Urinal Constitution editorial board, he would have been lauded.

Duh.

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{{{{Finally, universities should be free of sin before casting ideological stones at others. There are enough self-inflicted problems on their own campuses to keep them busy — from the declining skills of today’s college students to skyrocketing tuition and exploitation of graduate students and part-time faculty. They needn’t create more where they don’t exist.-Victor Davis Hanson}}}}

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{{{{For a long time we didn’t take Hitler seriously here. He was easily satirized as the “little dictator.”}}}}

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{{{{Officials of a defunct pro-Democratic group that was hit with a near-record campaign-finance fine last month hold strong ties to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign, documents show. At least four persons who worked for the America Coming Together (ACT) fundraising group, which the Federal Election Commission recently fined $775,000, work directly for the Clinton campaign or hold top positions with consulting firms hired by it.}}}}

The Kulture of Korruption.

By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

{{{{In 1997 the Clinton Administration’s Department of Energy {{{{{zeroed out nuclear research))))) for the first time since World War II. The Federal Energy Information Administration confidently predicted that existing plants would phase out over the next three decades. That still leaves us producing for 50 percent of our electricity with coal — a billion tons a year that put three billions tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. That’s 40 percent of the nation’s greenhouse gases and 20 percent of the world’s. “When it comes to providing our baseload electricity, the only choice is between coal and nuclear,” says David Crane, of NRG. “You simply can’t be serious about global warming and against nuclear power.”}}}}

So Klintoon put a stop to nuclear energy, a safe, clean, endless source of energy and anchored our energy production to burning coal, a vile, dirty and dangerous practice the kills scores of miners and causes respiratory problems for millions of kids and elderly.

And instead of correcting this fallacy, for at least the betterment of the environment, the beady eyed liberals are all bent out of shape over CO2, a miniscule byproduct of combustion that is also a plant food, for what ever the hell good that will do.

Aren’t liberals just so stupid?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 27, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

No wonder free speech is in trouble in this country.

What a rotten example President Bush has set.

Why is he afraid of talking to people who do not agree with him? Is he so unsure of himself and his policies that he can’t defend them off-script?

Hell, he doesn’t even have to take questions, just let them sit in the hall!

An interview with NPR was recently cancelled because this President would not allow the [network to select the interviewer](http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/26/bush-cherry-picks-juan-williams-for-an-interview-and-npr-refuses/.

As far as I am concerned President Bush is AWOL (again)

Afraid We’ll Oppose his Ludicrousness.

By Ray

September 27, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

How dare Bill Clinton attack decorated war veteran Saxby Chambliss!

By Shawny

September 27, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Why is this still allowed?

Every dollar spent should be a separate bill. There would be no deficit and even lower taxation if this crap didn’t exist.

By Anonymous

September 27, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Luckovich nails the most important point out of this whole Iranian-speaker deal: America doesn’t fear free speech, but Bush sure does.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

This may be about the only distinction between Bush and ImaNutJob— Bush would not dare speak to an audience who had not been pre-screened… imagine Bush having to take questions and defend his policies in front of Americans who were not part of the 29% Club! Otherwise, they’re both similar in attitude and deluded about the world around them.

By Shawny

September 27, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

Bush doesn’t speak to audiences that aren’t pre-screened because he can’t think on his feet. He is horrible at it. Slick Willie, on the other hand, is a master at slight of hand (mouth).

By luckovichisaheadcase

September 27, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Lucko and the rest of you Democrats seem to want to practice selective outrage! You seem to think that questioning Kerry’s version of things is somehow wrong, but to question a Republican is somehow being “fair”. John Kerry clearly lied about a number of things and was challenged on that. He never actually directly challenged those who made the accusations.

Re: today’s poorly drawn cartoon - When have Bill or Hillary Clinton EVER addressed and audience which they believed would not be extra friendly? Hillary is famous for picking and choosing various friendly forums and interviewers. The biggest risk she has taken to date is being interviewed by Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, and he is a well know liberal, son of Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes fame. If you search the record, George Bush has been interviewed quite often by people known to be less than friendly. The fact is Hillary will crumble under any tough questioning. She is shallow, conceited and arrogant. She also will find it hard to justify her flip-flops on almost every issue out there.

By Osama Bin Laden

September 27, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

The cartoon isn’t so much funny as it is a warning. W holds his arms like a socially incompetent child taunting a bully on the playground. “Get off of those swings, jerkweed, it’s my turn!”

Luckovich masterfully uses W’s arms to express temerity. He’s a genius, sorry. History will be kinder to W than Luckovich. Soon, most historians will understand how our commander-in-chief ordered the final attack on the surrounded 911 conspirators, but the order was not carried out by W’s general. (Rumsfeld).

The only real error W made was in not firing Rumsfeld immediately and ordering another general to attack. Hell, I’d promote a captain to field marshall if he’d promise to attack without mercy when I told him to. Lee could easily have won the civil war in the Summer of ‘62 if his generals had just done what they were ordered to do. (they marked time instead). Lee’s frustration is on the record and makes for incredible reading. I promise I wont say, “google it”.

Lincoln could have wiped out Lee if his generals had done what Lincoln suggested in the summer of ‘63. (Meade marked time, instead). Lincoln’s frustration is on record and makes for enlightening reading. Google it. So I lied.

We simply cant find generals to attack. That’s why Patton was so extraordinary. Give me a man who charges ahead when you tell him to. Devil take the hindmost, let’s roll!

Bush was betrayed. We were betrayed. Notice how Bush lets his generals fall on their sword to protect Cheney? They take it. To the hilt. I know our army is the best in the world and it would take millions of Chinese infantry attacking around the clock at the Austerlitz level in Waterloo to even cause a stalemate, but we can still be outgeneraled, and that’s dangerous. We simply have made the cardinal mistake of promoting efficient supply sargents to lead our armies ala McClellen, who could keep his men in clean socks, but who couldn’t attack.

Bush probably thinks he’s being loyal by not blaming Rumsfeld, or he’s being silenced by Cheney who told Rumsfeld not to attack because if Osama (and his wife Pussama) had been captured, then the USA would have had closure about 911 and Iraq would have been too hard to sell.

Too hard to sell. Think about that. Then you’ll know why we aint nevah gonna pit t

By Hey Head Case

September 27, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

I see you are great at spreaing manure but can you provide the facts to support this statement:

John Kerry clearly lied about a number of things

Also please suuply the facts on this one:

George Bush has been interviewed quite often by people known to be less than friendly.

No facts, no credibility.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

More cowardice from w

Pathetic.

By Jesus

September 27, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Condemning Wooten

September 27, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Wooten’s blog today was filled with tangled syntactical muffs, garbled reasoning, and poorly puncuated parse. But that was the good parts.

Wooten drips racism. It’s like he’s afraid that black people will forget that he’s white if he doesn’t resurrect Antebellum Antagonies and Jim Cronyisms with every paragraph.

Look at the tone of today’s piece. Look how every opportunity to rebuke black legislation is exploited.

I’m truly frightened because he’s serious, folks. He’s the Thomas Paine of social revolution. Americans will not accept a ruling class of Gated Giants and little huddled masses of outdoorsmen.

If that’s what the Saudis intended when they hired Cheney and Bush, then they have succeeded my friends.

We are on the cusp of a new era. Change wont come from little bands of cave dwelling youtubers. Change is coming from the few pockets of liberty that remain unchained in the USA.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Check this out

He will be her attack man when the gop attack her.

Karma.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Good point on Iamanutjob.

He stood up and made his case in a hostile enviroment.

The attack on Move on was an attack on free speech.

By @@

September 27, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

There was an Iranian student at Columbia who was asked his opinion regarding Ahmadenijad’s freedom to speak.

Still thick with an Iranian accent he said…”Ahmadenijad is not entitled to the freedoms you and I have in the U.S. because he does not allow the same freedom for his people.” “What the Iranian people will see is only what he allows them to see.” “The opportunity will be used to his advantage but not to the advantage of his people.”

Well spoken young man.

Your cartoon is weak ml. Are you running on empty?

By georgia 74

September 27, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Bill O’Reilly is crying that someone is taking his words out of context, hasn’t he made aliving doing that for years, I’m laughing so hard, its great.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

@@,

If he were not allowed to speak at Columbia, it would be like Iran and that student would have a point.

He does not understand freedom like you and your ilk. In this country, you are free to speak whether you like it or not.

Millions have died to give you this freedom and you wingnuts give it away like it is nothing.

Be a real American and stop giving away your freedom.

Geez.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

@@

It sees to me many intermix the right to speak one’s views (freedom of speech - altho that right seems severely limited if it’s in opposition to views the farleft holds dear) and the right to a forum to express those views - a “right” that is not, in all cases, a “right.”

I also think many were opposed to A’s Columbia invite as they viewed C a university that would rarely invite guests from the far, far right and when they did, allow students to attack and shut down the forum, with no consequences to the students.

Be that as it may, I think a university can invite whom they want, when they want, and if it skews to one end of the spectrum, so be it. I thought the univ. Pres’s attack on A was a transparent CYA move - and not very hospitable, either.

So A had a forum, he exercised a privilege to speak and received applause for remarks against the US, Bush, Jews and Israel. He received boos for remarks against gays. Pretty much in line with what many expected from university students. Nothing unusual there.

Some still perceive A as just a regular guy, nothing changed from their views before the speeches. Nothing unusual there, either.

By mm

September 27, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Duh, who needs nuclear plants?

By First Major BULL$HIT statement of the day

September 27, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

{{{{(freedom of speech - altho that right seems severely limited if it’s in opposition to views the farleft holds dear}}}}}

Give Paul/RW time

they’ll be lots more if his wife doesn’t take away his keyboard again.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

georgia74 9:20

Without using links, can you please enlighten us on:

the context within which BOR made his remarks

who he was with during those remarks

how his remarks were reported

what those who were with him had to say about the reporting

I know, “no links” requires a bit of original research, but I have faith in your abilities.

BTW - to put this in context - Last night PBS interviewed Sen Daniel Inouye, Democrat from Hawaii. He said the first time he killed another human being he felt good. He said he never felt remorse after killing other people, either. In fact, he said he came upon another person leaning against a wall, his hand out, and he smashed in his face with a rifle butt. I found the reporting quite good. Everything was accurate. It really represented Democrats for what they really are.

//sarc//

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Read Paul’s and @@’s exchange at 9:26

Give me a head with hair….

By getalife

September 27, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Spreading lies again RW.

Poor BO, I know it makes you cry to see them attack him.

Karma.

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Good one, Getalife.

We love you, Getalife! You go!

By Hey Paul

September 27, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Interviewed by NPR????

That’s what you call Ken Burns’ film???

And you question context!

and he said….that the man was lying on the ground with his hands up in the air…as if to give up.

When the man reached into his pocket, Inouye concerned he was reaching for a weapon, slammed the but of his rifle into his face. It turned out that he was reaching for pictures of his family to show Inouye.

The Senator showed obvious remorse.

Schmegeggie

Have you watched all 3 parts?

Have you begun to understand the concept of the necessary war yet?

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

First off although I tend to appreciate Paul’s thoughtfulness I could never be as much of of a centrist as I view him and I would get vertigo if I tried typing the verbiage he uses. It’s hard enough to read. Sorry Paul.

Government shouldn’t intervene in Columbia’s decision to allow Imawhackjob once they allowed him into the country, but Columbia should have shown a greater degree of world awareness. By all accounts there is a huge western presence in Iraq that is on the verge of breaking out in a “Velvet Revolution.” Allowing Whackjob to seemingly show the US to be rolling out the red carpet to him only stalls that revolution and ultimately makes a shooting war more likely.

By Shawny

September 27, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

HRC, one year ago…”In the event we were ever confronted with having to interrogate a detainee with knowledge of an imminent threat to millions of Americans, then the decision to depart from standard international practices must be made by the President, and the President must be held accountable”. Consistent with her husband.

Last night, asked about the same ticking time bomb scenario regarding torture to prevent an attack, HRC said, “It cannot be American policy, period.”

geezlouize, what is your position? depends.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Hi HeyPaul!

I must admit, you’ve really given my imagination a run for its money. First I thought you might be getalife - but the style has diverged too much. Then I thought “Goldie.” You occasionally you get spun up, but when I’ve said things that would drive her up the wall you haven’t. Then I thought “Bosch.” But he would’ve been on already, citing Brazil’s two-nil lead in the semifinals. So I’m rather left with RE, rushncap, AmVet - but they, as far as I can recall, haven’t been in the background and also engage with their real names.

Now, a few days back when I brought up the definition of “lie” given by many, I asked if that definition applied in the MoveOn ad case, as people, in good faith, repeated information supplied by the NY Times, which later turned out to be false. I wondered if we were, just possibly, raising the level of discourse up a notch. You appeared, I followed you during the morning as you wandered all about Robin Hood’s barn, never answering the question, and finally you concluded with a “PROVE any element of the MoveOn ad is False!! Double dare!!!!’

But, for today - the BOR situation and what I did with Sen Inouye/PBS) were used to illustrate a point - taking what has been said or written, removing it from context, implying another context, running together disparate quotes to imply a point and fit a political agenda. Both are wrong, sloppy, yet typical of what passes for “journalism” or “analysis” on our political environment.

BTW - the conduct of soldiers in a “necessary war” should not vary from the conduct of soldiers in an “unnecessary war.”

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Paul dont try to guess who the troll is, simply reply to a well constructed queery. Do you really care who asked it? It’s your chance to shine, and you spend it myspacing.

Oh well. Now, for your reply, remember that some enemy combatants need killin’

‘muff said

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Shawney,

Biden told us that torturing “curveball” got us in Iraq.

It does not work and they will say anything to make it stop.

Her position is no torture like the rest of the dems.

It does not work. The gop repeat things that don’t work, it is called insanity.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original) 10:05

Good morning, no apology necessary and I appreciate the thoughts. Sorry about the style, sometimes I know it can be a bit obtuse. I’ll make an effort to change.

Amazing how two people who always use the same moniker (altho early on you did catch me fat-fingering with “Paul paul Pau) are seen to be the same. I believe we hold different views on a national education program, defense spending, gun control, CAFE, taxation, etc. That’s great - you present your position lucidly, give supporting points and can allow for other viewpoints. Makes for some interesting discussions.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

BillO wants to claim others are taking his words “out of context”, yet when the context is included, his remarks are even worse!

“I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. It was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks [and has a] primarily black patronship,” O’Reilly said. “There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M-Fer, I want more iced tea!’”

What’s the purpose of saying “even though it’s run by blacks” other than revealing how clueless he really is???

{{“This is what white America doesn’t know, particularly people who don’t have a lot of interaction with black Americans. They think that the culture is dominated by Twista, Ludacris and Snoop Dogg,” he said.”}}

No, BillO— YOU are the one who thinks that!

By Hey Paul

September 27, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

what you did with Daniel Inouye’s remarks was MISCONSTRUE them

and regarding the discussion on MOve On….boy can you distort!

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

gitmolife,

If you didn’t believe in torture you’d quit blogging.

By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

{{{{“Now, you say the condo business,” he continued. “I will tell you, Donald Trump has been bankrupt 100 times. So I went bankrupt once in business. And the other – who did I bankrupt? I stuck the credit card companies with $90,000 worth of bills, and they deserved it – “}}}}

{{{{People in the audience began to laugh.}}}}

{{{{“They deserved it,” Gravel repeated, “and I used the money to finance the empowerment of the American people with a national initiative.”}}}}

{{{{Gravel’s answer was unprecedented in the history of these debates, and, if nothing else, it seemed guaranteed to win him at least a share of the insolvent vote, even among those who have stuck credit card companies for debts far more prosaic than empowering the American people with national initiatives.}}}}

When all of the libs hear of this guy’s position, he will soon be the front runner.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Miles Apart

I don’t get the myspacing thing - just wondering why people don’t keep the same name - do they think they can’t change their mind or not maintain ideological purity? The review of the previous day was just to say - stay on topic!!! I’m not gonna follow the wonderings of those who won’t answer a question.

I do not disagree with what Sen Inouye said, or did. It was more of his explaining his reaction to a horrid situation and what he did, I think.

Some people seem to forget the purpose of war is to kill the enemy. Not serve them with a warrant.

‘nuff said.

By TW

September 27, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Those who challenge free speech most often do so because they lack a legitimate response.

Got brains?

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Don’t change your style, it’s a good mental exercise to see if I’m following your point and some of the simpletons here couldn’t understand three words strung together anyway if George Soros didn’t fund those words.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

“Sharpton and I went to Sylvia’s, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. …they all watch The Factor.
When Sharpton and I walked in everybody was very nice. And I couldn’t get over the fact that there
was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City even though
it’s run by blacks. There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M-Fer, I want more iced tea.” —Bill O’Reilly, discovering that those people are almost like humans”

Geez.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

RW,

I know my words hurt ya.

Truth hurts.

“Bush threatened nations with retaliation if they did not vote for a UN resolution backing the Iraq war, according to a transcript published Wednesday of a conversation he had with former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar.”

This is why nobody will help in Iraq until that coward is gone.

Geez.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

{{When all of the libs hear of this guy’s position, he will soon be the front runner.}}

Won’t happen, DUHHH — and you lose in ‘08!

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

getalife,

How can you post what you did at 10:31 and then claim at 10:36 you post the truth? Context, my man, context is an essential part of truth.

By Shawny

September 27, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

I understand that no torture period is her position (now). Her position at any time depends on what her position needs to be to garner votes and/or align with the ‘party’. Not necessarily what she believes individually. This is a problem with the party system in general. I don’t like parties or giving up ones ideals in an effort to gain alignment to get to power.

Her husband, very popular with the democrats, has specifically said that he will do what is necessary to avoid an attack. She used to say that. Now she says what is ‘agreed to’ by the party (and forces that drive the party’s ‘opinion’, such as moveon.org). Care do disagree?

And I don’t like this on the Republican side, either. “Let’s all get together and decide what we think”…dangerous.

Huckabee ‘08

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

“Army Chief of Staff George W. Casey Jr., who is scheduled to testify today before the House Armed Services Committee, intends to move as quickly as possible to grant soldiers more relief from the war zone, having argued that the troop rotations of 15 months in combat and 12 months at home — required by the buildup of U.S. forces in Iraq and the conflict in Afghanistan — are “not sustainable” for the Army.”

The gop voted no and that is how they support the troops.

They don’t, it is bs.

Geez.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Shawney,

Do you always agree with your spouse if you have one?

Get real.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Hillary picks up the coveted Meathead endorsment

IN THE NEWS,

You’re welcome in advance.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

getalife - Goldie

Not to try to have you change your minds, or even allow for another point of view, or even to realize that maybe, just maybe, there are those in politics who want to misrepresent:

BOR was setting up an interview with Juan Williams, African-American journalist, NPR, who is releasing a book “Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America—and What We Can Do About It.”

Mr. Williams was also on the day after Media Matters spin - he was livid, accused Media Matters of attempting to silence any meaningful discussions of race relations, said BORs comments were out of context, distorted, and completely missed what BOR summed up with “Stereotypes are wrong.”

Then Rev Al Sharpton came on - he was with BOR at the restaurant - said he wanted time to review the radio show, then compare it to what happened when they went to dinner. He may be on tonight.

Anyway, the complete audio is here:

Link: source material

Mr. Williams comes on about the ten and a half minute mark.

Like I said - what’s been done strikes me the same as how I referenced Sen Inouye’s remarks at 9:36.

You don’t really believe Sen Inouye has no conscience, has no remorse when he kills people and thinks smashing in peoples’ faces with rifle butts is okay, do you? Of course not. Because the context was different, as listening to Mr. Burns’ show demonstrated.

The audio is 35 minutes. I don’t expect you to be as upset as Mr. Williams was.

By AmVet

September 27, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

{AmVet…engage with their real names.}

Hi Paul.

How dare you? Are you impugning my character? [grin]

It has been irrefutably established by those most erudite followers of attention to detail and the search for truth - @@, Dusty and Andy of just one name - that AmVet posts under a veritable multitude of monikers!

(As if my writing style is so easily reproduced! Harrummphh)

Lots of interesting stuff this morning - OddJob at Columbia, BOR tripping over his tongue about the shocking revelation that black restaurants and their patrons are really no different than whites.

BTW, I don’t think for one second he’s a bigot, but his backhanded complements tell a lot about a man whose normal modus opernadi is sliming and villifying.

As for the Ivy League school choosing who they will to speak at their institution, my feelings are, who cares?

If some of the most strident neo-cons are so upset about it, let them start their own Ivy League and invite who they will!

But that begs the question why do you think they call them LIBERAL Arts?

And besides, the anti-liberals have their own institutions of “higher” learning and forums - the Baptist Church!

Just kidding.

Whether, Democrat, Independent or Republican, everyone must admit that Burns’ documentaries, especially this latest one, are national treasures.

How can anyone not be deeply touched and even in awe of those people and events?

As I’ve said before, I believe we owe EVERYTHING to those men and women and this film just makes this American very, very proud and thankful to wake up every day in the United States of America.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{This is a problem with the party system in general. I don’t like parties or giving up ones ideals in an effort to gain alignment to get to power.}}

Shawny @ 10:42 — I guess you feel that a dictatorship is preferable to broader party consensus? No wonder you still love Bush!

By getalife

September 27, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Sorry Paul,

No spin zone, if you will.

He said it, don’t spin it.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Good morning -

Context, Inouye, Bill O, Columbia -

I’m behind.

Paul, Are you talking about the Women World’s Cup? I hope those Freuleins whoop up! To be honest, I’m kind of behind in soccer news too. Do you ever get the feeling that you are running by the hair of your chin? That’s been me lately. Blogging has been my sanctuary the past couple weeks. I’m going to the beach next week, spontaneous trip. Need some mental relaxation.

My opinion about the Columbia/Ahmadejeah or whatever his name is:

I’m kind of on the fence about this, I don’t really know how to think about this. On the one hand, I really don’t understand why Columbia invited the guy to speak and then bashed him - I guess Ahmady had to see this coming, but it seemed a bit underhanded to me.

But then again, if they had made him an “honored” guest, they would have been criticized as well. It seems like a strange move on Columbia’s part all the way around, but I think that’s what universities do well, is spark debate - that’s part of their job as educators, right? So, I think that was a weird move, but nontheless, educational on many levels, so therefore effectual.

But the sadistic side of me thought that was horribly hilarious to see that worm (Ahmady) looking so uncomfortable and making a fool of himself. No homosexuals in Iran? Come on.

But the other side of me (how many sides is that so far?) thought it took a lot of guts for him to get up there and stick to your guns and say what you think (even if you are a moron). Bush would never do that, Luckovich is spot on about that.

So, in other words, I’m wishy washy about the whole thing. No firm opinion.

By Peter

September 27, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

MOST EXCELLENT !

Send Ahmadenijad a copy of the “Presidential Advance Manual” (heavily redacted) for his next visit, so he will understand our culture.

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Botch, sorry, but if your mind was anymore relaxed it would be wearing diapers. Critical Thinking. It’s a talent, not a right. Try reading more.

Botch rocks, we love you, Botch!!!!

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

{{Whether, Democrat, Independent or Republican, everyone must admit that Burns’ documentaries, especially this latest one, are national treasures.}}

Agreed, AmVet— and Burns shows the striking contrast between the entirety of America involved during the war effort in the 40’s (including conscription), and what have now with Bush’s “war on terrrr” where the majority of Repugs don’t want to know that our occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and OBL, and they care more about voting for “American Idol” and watching the latest gossip from Hollywood… there were no “terrrrissts” in Iraq before we slammed them with shock & awe, and we brought our own form of terrorism upon the Iraqi people.

And look at how FDR got the entire American industry behind the war effort and supplying the military with what they needed to win. Our occupation of Iraq has lasted longer than our involvement in WW2! And the military is still crying out for replenishments of troops and equipment…

What a difference good leadership makes during a war effort like we had during WW2.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

BTW Paul, No, I’m not “Hey (insert name here)”

AmVet - “But that begs the question why do you think they call them LIBERAL Arts?

And besides, the anti-liberals have their own institutions of “higher” learning and forums - the Baptist Church!”

I had to make a comment on both:

Alot of people do not understand the concept of a “liberal arts” education. It is not, as some think, to make you a liberal. It is, an educational concept to teach many different disciplines to help create a well-rounded student- with the theory that said student will continue to graduate school.

LOL - the Baptist Church of higher learning - where the bookstore is small because they only need one book for all their academic (ha ha) needs!

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

{{But the sadistic side of me thought that was horribly hilarious to see that worm (Ahmady) looking so uncomfortable and making a fool of himself. No homosexuals in Iran? Come on.}}

Bosch— I think it’s amazing that Bush still thinks that by not talking with ImaNutJob he’s going to get him to fold his cards. At least Columbia was filling a vacuum that Bush has created… and I take great pleasure in seeing Americans having the opportunity to ask questions to NutJob’s face and watching him squirm, conflate, and flatulate with his answers.

We should not be afraid of speech, but we should reveal the speaker’s folly with every chance we get to educate!

By Gonna Love 08

September 27, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

This blog proves that No Child left behind does not work. Our country is supposed to be the greatest on the planet, yet this blog proves that people dont respond to actual facts, but what their party puts in their heads. With all the information at your finger tips most on this blog continue to spew half truths and down right lies. I agree with the poster that all political parties should be banned. It is amazing that people would put their party ahead of their country. So thanks for showing education does not work in this country, but 30 second sound bites do…….

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I agree. To be honest, I think Ahmadynutjob is a crazy fundamentalist dangerous dictator wannabe, but I also think he’s smarter than Bush - and Bush knows it.

I think like Ahmadynutjob, OBL is alot smarter than Bush and most in his administration. He knows the world, understands geopolitcal cause and effect, Bush and his lapdogs don’t - they foolishly think that the one with the most guns wins.

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Yes Goldie, Burns smokes! However, if we were handing out Emmies, then we’d have to overlook this latest effort based on style.

The drone of that mood music music drubbing the voice-over worked well with the Civil War, because the audience wanted to be taken back to a lost cause. We felt it like a time machine.

With ww2, we just want to know what happened, and what a damn near thing it truly was, and we need to glean the unlearned lessons still dooming us to repeat the war to end all wars, which should be all of them if you think about it, because why should a war ever be elected? Why should a war ever be annointed? Are we admitting that man is a warring creation, made in the image of a warring god? Should human squatters be herded-and-driven by human nomads simply because of the immutability of Newton’s Laws of Motion? Are we robotic drones of the universe, inevitable as stars? Can a black hole ever give light the time of day?

Dont get me started on quasars….

By luckovichisaheadcase

September 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

In reply to the person who challenged me as ‘not credible’ this morning: First of all John Kerry was caught in a number of lies, including but not limited to the fact that he never threw his medals and ribbons over the White House fence, but threw someone else’s. His are on display in his office. He also lied about witnessing Mai Lai type massacres when in Vietnam. He could produce no witnesses to that effect.

George Bush has been interviewed by reporters who are less than friendly, including but not limited to David Gregory of NBC, from whom he takes questions frequently. He also was interviewed before the 2000 election by such as Larry King and Chris Matthews. Hillary to my knowledge has never been interviewed by Britt Hume or Bill O’Reilly and probably never will be. She cannot afford to be challenged. She is vapid and a flip-flopper.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

{{they foolishly think that the one with the most guns wins.}}

Great point, Bosch — and look at how that idea has been deflated by those terrrisssts “over there”!

By Miles Apart

September 27, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Hillary ‘08. All the treason and pirateering only cost the US a woman president and nobody goes to jail?

No wonder they sold out! I woulda sold out too. So woulda you.

Bush is a great man. He did give the order to destroy the 911 conspirators, but his order was ignored, not his fault.

In every other arena except that one belayed order, Bush excels. Let’s cherish and treasure our brave president.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Mr. Head Case, Do you have a list of all the interviews Hillary Clinton has ever given? If so, I’m really impressed.

But, I have a feeling you don’t, so therefore, your argument is completely insincere.

About Kerry: many times people take what they hear in the press as a fact, when in fact, it is exagerated (gasp, I know, shocking). Now, this I do not know myself, but to make such bold statements as “Kerry was caught in a number of lies” makes me think that you actually heard him say these things.

I wonder.

Remember, we are also discussing context here today on our happy little blog, so make sure if you quote Kerry, you put it into the proper context.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

If you registered to not have telemarketers call you, that registration is expiring. You can register for another five years of no telemarketers at

Link: [National Do Not Call Registry](https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx

and have another five years without telemarketers calling.

By @@

September 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 9:26:

I’m all for free speech in whatever form it’s delivered. Ahmadenijad’s appearance at Columbia didn’t cause me to be outraged. I thought he looked like the idiot that he is and that those who would applaude his words looked like idiots right along side him. I mean c’mon….they could have practiced a little restraint in the interest of American patriotism.

The young Iranian student was coming from a place that none of us could possibly understand. He personally, or possibly some family still in Iran, knows what it means to experience total restriction of speech and so he knows it’s value and encourages everyone to use it wisely.

For me, the argument as to what supports or denies free speech can be reduced to the “individual’s” sensibilities. When you consider court cases involving harrassment in the workplace you can see where the well-intended but consequently damaging limitations began.

A personal story here. When I was in high school I took a part-time job in my local county commissioners office. I was 16 about to turn 17. I cannot begin to tell you the incidences of sexual harrassment that I had to endure from the elected Democrats <—— (sorry had to throw that in) and their appointed officials. The laws were in place to protect me but threatening to tell my brother (much older than me) or my Dad worked just as well and was a tactic with which I had become comfortable.

It worked for me and I wasn’t forced to contribute to the harrassment laws that had begun to erode our first amendment rights.

Sticks and stones and all those legal boneheads. Tsk…tsk…tsk…

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Goldie, To them “over there” WE are the terrorists. We have more guns, but they have a better general understanding of how the world works, and that is a bigger weapon when you can use it to your advantage.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

@@,

If you were a young man, the gop would sexually harrass you. Sorry, had to throw that in.

The UN is here because we have free speech.

You are free to not listen to him but you chose to listen and bash him.

Freedom, don’t let them steal it because you are scared.

Geez.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Let me try the link again

Link: National Do Not Call Registry

@@

I believe I see your point about the harassment issue. No way is “Nice XXXX, babe” protected political speech. Some of those laws are necessary, but so often they overreach. My point about many universities is they will limit the forums to speak of those with whom they disagree AND justify it - witness the University of California Board of Regents inviting Dr. Lawrence Summers, late of Harvard, then professors petitioned to not allow him to speak. The Regents acceded to the professors - Dr. Summers was silenced.

By Ralph

September 27, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Headcase. There exist thousands of witnesses to those “massacres.” Lots of books written on the subject. Others trying to forget or for personal reasons (often lack of guts) just don’t speak up. You goons never read, never face truth or reality. Only believe the crap you wanta believe. GOP’s always been that way, and why it continues to be the road to complete corruption asnd ignorance. Grow up.

By mm

September 27, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Parts of Patriot Act ruled unconstitutional

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

@@, I’m confused by your story - are you saying that you became comfortable with the inappropriate sexual advances of your bosses? By the way, can’t you for once not make something a Democrat/Republican issue? The guys who were sexually harrassing you were a*******holes, political parties of the harrassers are irrelevant.

And are you saying that the early sexual harrassment laws erode our first amendment rights? Those women fought like hell just to get their cases heard in court because many a*******holes judges (mostly appointed by Republicans-sorry, had to throw that in) wouldn’t hear their cases.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

getalife

Sorry to report - Reverend Jackson has sold out. Can’t be trusted. Gives false speeches. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. //sarc//

He’s going to be on BOR tonight. I must give him credit. Just as I give Sen Kerry lots of credit. But not Hillary. Dem candidates won’t debate on Fox. Rev Jackson will. Maybe he should run again.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Paul, Can you imagine if Jesse ran again? Luckovich could draw a similar cartoon as yesterday’s - only reverse - an elephant, comedian, cartoonist with clasped hands looking up to heaven saying, “thank you, thank you, thank you.” :-)

By Paul

September 27, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Bosch

The entertainment never ends -

BTW - Hillary’s health care plan is getting more and better reviews. I do wonder, though, if it would have been presented by a Rep if the reporting would have been “doesn’t go far enough.”

As it is, Edwards is a bit ticked as it looks (says he) so much like his.

I find his wife’s role interesting. She seems much more engaged. I suppose it’s the “say no evil of other Dems” that has Edwards paralyzed. Either way, she’s looking more interesting than he is.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,

She was on faux opinion last week end laughing at them.

Bwa.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

I guess you missed the debate last night.

Timmeh and the other dems tried to bash her to no avail.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

getalife

????

I’m not much concerned with whose list she’s on. She’s letting the other candidates have it. No comments here about the merits of what she says, I notice!

Listened to Juan Williams yet?

By @@

September 27, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Paul:

“Overreach” is an understatement. The harrassment laws extend into religion, politics, race, gender, sexual orientation. Legal action can be ignited by images and words alone. No physical harm, just emotional. I don’t get this “you hurt my feelings” garbage. Where the heck does that come from if not the weakness of the individual. Jobs should be protected from sexual harrassment but tender sensibilities don’t warrant the same legal action.

An excellent view of the topic.

[What Speech Does “Hostile Work Environment” Harassment Law Restrict?] (http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/harass/breadth.htm#POLITICAL)

(((My point about many universities is they will limit the forums to speak of those with whom they disagree AND justify it)))

I understood your point. How does everybody justify their arguments in favor of and in denial of free speech. In the case of Columbia, my understanding is that the State of New York is taking action to deny funding to Columbia.

I came in here late last night for a looksee. I had heard about the gay last supper poster but hadn’t seen it until last night. I thought gee….that’s rather offensive and certainly doesn’t encourage me to continue my support for civil unions. What can I do? Contact Miller Brewing and threaten to hit ‘em in their bottom line.

What can the gay community do? Rein in their radicals because I can’t do it without being labeled a homophobe.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

{{Bush is a great man. He did give the order to destroy the 911 conspirators, but his order was ignored, not his fault.}}

HA — classic Repug response: “not our fault!” Bush is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, yes???

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Paul, I don’t know that much about the specifics of Hillary’s health care plan, but I can comment that I think it is probably getting more and more complicated for Republicans to justify the system as it is. It’s easy to say Hillary’s plan is “socialized” medicine, but we have that to some degree already, and in my opinion, how can you justify not funding programs like Peach Care, etc. Sure there are abuses, there are with any system - that has ceased to being a legitimate excuse.

Again, in my opinion, that is just morally wrong and everybody knows it and it’s getting harder and harder for the Republicans to spin it in their favor.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

No Paul, I do not listen to talking heads spewing hot air and nonsense.

If they fired them I might listen to some new ones but faux is so biased, it is ridiculous.

“Juan Williams Defends Bill O’Reilly, Calls CNN Idiots”

No thanks Paul, hot air.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 12:36 — “Timmeh!”

LMAO!

By Paul

September 27, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Bosch

I referenced Romney’s plan. He put one in place with Dems in Mass. He scaled it back, I understand, in his proposal to appease the individual states - give them some leeway.

I’m not sure other Rep candidates are all that pleased with the current system - but they get caught up in the “free marked/socialized” theory. I think they’re behind the eight ball on this.

@@

Is anybody offended that your’re offended that they’re offended that you’re not offended?

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

@@, I see your point now. I was confused about your story. I think that many times people just do not have common sense about things, and I agree with you, if we sued people every time we were offended by something, well, that’s ridiculous.

Unfortunately, in today’s world, people will sue you for hurting their feelings, and I think that’s absurd, but early sexual harrassment cases were usually argued in unprecedented grounds, in very hostile environments (even the courts), and unfortunately and many times the real harassers get away with their vile behavior.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Are the Repug candidates all afraid like Bill-O? Sorry, had to throw this in:

GOP hopefuls must face issues of color

By getalife

September 27, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Bad news for the wingnuts, the Senate approved expanding children health care with enough votes to over ride w’s veto.

Bwa.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

getalife

So Jesse Jackson’s views on race relations are hot air?

By @@

September 27, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 12:11:

No….what I’m saying is that I, as an individual, was able to stop it. My last post to Paul will more clearly explain how I believe sexual harrassment cannot be allowed to threaten job security. I think of it more in terms of extortion. Sometimes we apply laws when they’re not necessary. There are already laws in existence that will work just fine.

It doesn’t bother me when you say (mostly appointed by Republicans). Did it bother you when I humorously applied my Democrats arrow? Don’t tell me that arrow pierced your heart or I’ll be calling you a “girly” man. <———- That’s a joke Bosch.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Paul, I think that most Republicans are perfectly happy with the current system because it creates big profits for businesses - doctors, hospitals, HMOs - which are all big business.

Now, I’m guessing here, but I’d be willing to bet a pretty big sum that those big profit businesses contribute a hell of a lot of money to more Republicans than Democrats.

It’s just getting more and more difficult to justify millions of Americans not having health insurance, and in my opinion, harder to justify the cost of healthcare period. (I’m exagerating here) A $5.00 aspirin? Now, I know some of that money goes to research, overhead, etc. But most of that money goes in the pockets of the doctors and HMOs’ CEOs. Again, I’m just guessing here - if anyone feels the need to prove me wrong, then feel free.

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

@@, I think we’re missing posts here - I responded back before - I see what you mean. I have a friend who is a sexual harrassment lawyer - I’ve had many drinks with this person listening to stories - some that will make you cry.

Gotta run out! Be back later!

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Amazing to see the libs here claiming sexual harassment is a bad thing. I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about Billy Jeff Clinton in negative terms here.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch

From freehealthcare dot com

[[A new study released by the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee suggests that the healthcare industry is taking a leading role in funding the campaigns of this season’s crop of presidential hopefuls. The CNA/NNOC analysis concludes that healthcare industry players contributed $3.7 million to current candidates during the first quarter of 2007. It also notes that the industry—which it defines as including drug and insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, dentists and nursing homes—spent more than $2.2 billion on federal lobbying over the past decade. By CNA/NNOC calculations, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) and Sen. John McCain (R) got the lion’s share of healthcare contributions of all presidential candidates, collecting 40 percent of the overall total. ]]

That’s part of the criticism Hillary gets - that here proposals (or lack thereof) are because she’s “owned.” Same with stalling fair taxes for hedge fund managers - she thinks 15 percent is fine - same rate as for a family who has taxable income of 16 grand.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

No , Williams.

Tweety, Timmeh, Couric, anybody on faux, etc…

Talking heads and analysts are full of hot air and never right. Paid hacks.

By RE

September 27, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Random Prediction:

Concerning the donations corporations give to republicans, I think sometime in 2008-2009 if the dems increase majority in house and senate and take the whitehouse, as they are predicted to do, the GOP will start pushing for public financing and tougher fundraising oversight. Corporations do not donate to politicians who cannot help them, they money is already drying up for the GOP and it will be much worse in the 08-10 period.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Here’s the real problem with giving Mamoud a forum here

Does anybody else think he’s a dead ringer for Alf?

By N-GA

September 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

One has to beg the question “Why did the Columbia University administration invite Ahmadinejad to speak?”. Did they do it to further discourse? Did they do it to provide him a forum to express his views? Did they do it to set him up to be insulted?

I don’t like Ahmadinejad or his views. But Columbia U’s President just embarrassed himself and his institution by inviting such a controversial statesman to the campus, then publically insulting him before he even has a chance to speak.

Paul, got gold??? I’m no economist, but the idea of a credit crunch being cured by lowering interest rates is odd to my way of thinking. Usually credit crunches are caused by a lack of money being available to lend. A lack/shortage of any “product” or “service” drives the price UP! So interest rates should be going UP! I believe some other forces are at work here. Specifically, I believe there is political pressure on the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates in order to stimulate the economy (it is headed in the wrong direction). But the administration would rather people (voters) believe that the cause is subprime loans (such B.S.). The weakening economy coupled with a glut of speculative residential properties coupled with properties made available by foreclosures created a perfect storm for the And I see no turnaround any time soon. Thoughts?

Got gold? Got Yuans?

By @@

September 27, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 12:45:

(((Is anybody offended that your’re offended that they’re offended that you’re not offended?)))

I think RW and I need to consult one another on ^^^ that one.:-P

I’ve seen it irritate some here when I’m not offended. They have to accept their failure to achieve the objective.

Bosch (when you return):

(((I agree with you, if we sued people every time we were offended by something, well, that’s ridiculous.)))

and ^^^ that’s where people defeat the intended goal. They reduce it to trivialities for purely selfish reasons thereby robbing their fellow humans of rights.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

getalife

So if Juan Williams says CNN, etc got his discussion with BOR wrong, and did it knowingly to promote an agenda, he’s a hack?

But if he’s an outsider and yells “Go CNN!” he’s believable?

So what happens if Rev Jackson agrees with one of BOR’s comments tonight? He’s now full of hot air? (12:43)

By IN THE NEWS

September 27, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Per Clark Howard.com

“”One of the medical journals did a study that compares the prices for service paid by the insured vs. the uninsured. Those with coverage might get a bill that’s $5,000 for a certain service. Typically they’ll also have 20 percent co-pay, so that’s an additional $1,000, for a combined $6,000 price tag. However, if you don’t have coverage you will be billed $12,500 for the same procedure — that’s more than twice the price! “”

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are spinning so hard, you will fall down from being dizzy. BO is to blame, he said it, he faces the consequences. Deal with it.

“CLINTON: …This was classic bait and switch.

COOPER: Focus on that as opposed to focus on what’s really happening ….

CLINTON: Oh yeah. That’s right. “I don’t have to deal with Iraq. I don’t have to tell anybody what I’m going to do. Everything we do in Iraq is obviously right because they said this about Petraeus,” as if it was the only issue in the whole wide world. Come on, these Republicans were all upset about Petraeus-this was one newspaper ad-these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad. I mean, these are the people that funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The President appointed one of the principal funders of the Swift Boat ads to be an ambassador, but they’re really about the Petraeus one. It’s okay to question John Kerry’s patriotism on the blatantly dishonest claims by people that didn’t know what they are talking about. So it was just bait and switch. It was “Oh, thank goodness, I can take this little word here and ignore what we’ve done in Iraq and what we’re gonna do and the outrageous way that we’re gained political power by smearing John Kerry.”

Bwa.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Euros. Or Loons. Do you really think the body politic is that well versed? Or enough of them it’ll sway their votes? This happens all the time - take action to make it “seem” well, get short-term rosy political gain, then the long-term effects hit and it’s the fault of the next incumbent.

Odd to your way of thinking? That’s because is sounds like common sense. And why many economists would say you’re mistaken!

On the subprime - I’m all for helping many (not all) homeowners. And letting the speculators and financial institutions take their losses.

Is your father watching the PBS “The War” series? They had a very touching piece on a Thunderbolt pilot last night. Strafed a German column. His humanity kicked in and his right hand (trigger hand) froze up. Had to land left-handed. Years later it would recur. Very sad.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:17

Democratic Senator Inouye said killing people doesn’t bother him. Said smashing in a guy’s face was nothing. Some much for “Democrats care.” Deal with it.

What I just wrote is out of context. Strung together. Falsely presented to make a political point. I really think you can see this, as you can with this BOR hoopla, but you just labor under the rule that one can never, ever show understanding for the “enemy” side or admit that “your side” did something ethically questionable.

Romney just gave a speech lambasting what Reps have done. I’d like to hear the same from a Dem. Assuming, that is, they’ve ever done anything “wrong?”

By RE

September 27, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Good point you brought up, and I think it is far to common that short term thinking overpowers long term planning.

This is the case in politics, corporate decisions, and many peoples personal finances. Emotional instead of logical thinking. Consider the Kyl amendment that just passed yesterday, there was no real debate on the substance, but it provides a valid pretext for war with Iran, by calling the revolutionary guard a terrorist orginization, and seeing as how they are based in Iran, the president now has authority to conduct war against Iran. Hardly a mention of it on the news. But few senators would vote against it because the president of Iran is a “bad man”. That is not a cause for war, Iran is not a threat to the US, even a nuclear Iran is not a threat to the US. Once the war is started, it is much more difficult to stop, makes me wonder about the inflated war spending bill going up to congress this week, 190 billion is enough for 3 wars.

Please, before we get into a 3rd war in the middle east, someone please tell me:

what would be the objective of a war with Iran

What would be the victory conditions

What is the plan for a post military victory in Iran.

By Out of Context

September 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

BOR should not be taken out of context.

He should be taken out of the country.

A nice black ops sight would be just fine.

He represents the WORST in America.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Willard is taking away Newt’s strategy to bash the gop.

Gravel and Kucinich bashed the dems last night.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

“I think if Bill O’Reilly got caught robbing a bank, he’d say he was taken out of context”

Ha, Paul will still ♥ him.

Geez.

By @@

September 27, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

RE:

Did you know that the revolutionary guard has their own profit driven business organizations. My understanding is that they were labeled a terrorist organization so that countries could be pressured/prevented to stop funding those businesses.

Cut off their money supply.

I’m outta here.

By RE

September 27, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

the “war authorization” with Iraq was to allow the UN to pressure Iraq with sanctions. At least that was how it was presented.

The intention of legislation rarely has anything to do with how it is actually used.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

RE

I really don’t see us in a “boots on the ground situation” in the ME for… decades, I hope. Anything with Iran would likely be air/sea based. Limited to facilities destruction.

Interesting, Bush got criticism for “not consulting with allies.” In the last few days both France’s and Germany’s Pres have said they cannot allow a nuke Iran and that all options are on the table. Now critics dismiss their assessments and dismiss them as Bush lapdogs. Ideology rules.

I still think we need to do far, far more “under the radar” efforts to destabilize Ahmadinejad and appeal to the progressives in Iran. I cannot think of one historical example where an attack from an outsider caused the population to abandon its leadership and side with the attackers. Look at WWII - Russians fought for Mother Russia - Stalin be damned.

Out for a while - later -

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

RE,

That bill was non binding like Biden’s partioning of Iraq.

Just rhetoric.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

@@,

They tried to put pressure on the banks but failed.

Now, they are trying to increase sanctions but China and Russia say no.

Am I the only one reading?

Please read before you spew.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

RE,

You do realize that through the magic of the internet anybody that cares to can debunk that absurd notion of yours that the Iraq war resolution was to allow the UN to pressure Iraq with sanctions.

By the way, ever heard of Oil For Food?

As for Iran we should be doing everything possible to bolster the dissidents in Iran and allow the Velvet Revolution to take place. That would start with not fawning over Ahmadinajihad like star struck school girls.

By RE

September 27, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Who decides if the revolutionary guard is a terrorist group?

Once they have that official designation, Bush has authority to go to war.

Paul, I doubt highly that Iran has much of a progressive movement right now, considering that the US has attacked countries on either side of it and there is a continual drumbeat in this country to attack Iran. When a country is threatened it unifys and hardens them, especially if the options offered are attack or capitulation with shame. 15 months is plenty of time to get another war going, and pass it on to someone else. If polls come out saying that US citizens are more likely to vote republican if there is a war in Iran, I think it will happen.

Short sighted, no debate or objective, just emotion.

By IN THE NEWS

September 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

War News for 9/27/07

BAGHDAD - U.S. forces detained 21 suspected insurgents during operations on Wednesday and Thursday targeting al Qaeda members in Samarra, Baiji and Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

BAGHDAD - U.S. forces killed one insurgent and detained two suspected members of Iran-backed Special Groups during an operation in northern Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

BAGHDAD - Seven bodies were found in different parts of Baghdad on Wednesday, police said.

Baghdad - 10 killed and injured in two car bomb explosions in Baghdad

Baghdad - Around 11 a.m., a roadside bomb exploded at Sinaa street near Technology University (east Baghdad) killing one woman.

Baghdad - Around 12 p.m., a car bomb exploded at New Baghdad (east Baghdad) killing 2 people and injuring 4 others.

OTHER PROVINCES AND MORE INFO HERE

By N-GA

September 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

There was a time when the US could use economic diplomacy to get results. For the most part, that time has passed.

Now the US would have to stop all trade with Iran (hypothetically) and threaten to stop all trade with any country continuing to trade with Iran. After all, the US is the world’s largest buying market. Could one imagine what the fallout would be in the US if no products manufactured in the PRC were allowed into the country? I’m not sure anyone could accurately predict the outcome of that. Perhaps more manufacturing jobs in the US? Maybe a higher personal savings rate? Definitely a change in the balance of trade deficit.

Not in a million years……

By RE

September 27, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

What past actions in the last 6 years would lead you to believe that anything other than military force ot the threat of military force is the preferred policy of the administration.

By Say what????????

September 27, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

[[When a country is threatened it unifys and hardens them]]

Not in America — land of the liberal pussies it doesn’t.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Here’s a pretty cool site to determine what candidate best matches your views.

I haven’t looked around the site to see what methodology they used and I might change or add a few issues. It says I most match Mitt Romney. I’m not so sure about that, but I could certainly support him were he to become the nominee.

By Hey Say WHat

September 27, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

You win the prize for the flat out stupidest remark of the day

[[When a country is threatened it unifys and hardens them]]

Not in America — land of the liberal pussies it doesn’t.

First, where you drugged up after 9/11? Because we were united AND still are as far as fighting terrorists. President Numbnutz blew some of that by attacking the WRONG COUNTRY.

Second, being called a pussie by somebody who apparently is fighting the war from his keyboard is IRONIC don’t you think?

Chickenhawk

By Bosch

September 27, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

RW, Apparently, I’m for Joe Biden - interesting - especially since I barely know who in the hell he is! How funny.

By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch September 27, 2007 2:21 PM Just for fun - I wish Duh were here to read this: President Bush has invited the world’s biggest greenhouse gas emitters to attend a two-day conference in Washington. In an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE, ———->American climate researcher Peter Goldmark argues the meeting is little more than a Bush PR stunt<———— and that change is almost certain to come with the next administration}}}}

Bush is going to spend the next year and a half making like a Hoover Deluxe, especially around the Europeans, sucking up to any and all lib agendas except cutting and running.

His Iraq legacy is too valuable for him to waste time fighting over silly liberal hysterias, he will be giving like Santa, and slurping like an old hoe, just so he gets his way with Iraq, it worked with you kowards, didn’t it?

I just hope the U.S. survives this orgy.

By RE

September 27, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

Kucinich, Romney was the last in the pile, That would make us polar opposites.

Kinda funny, one of the few things we do agree on is the primacy of the constitution. At least we have that in common.

By mm

September 27, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

What’s this Velvet Revolution you keep speaking of? Is this something Rush or one of the other wingnut talking heads dreamed up? So now you think the Iranians are going to roll out the red carpet for us because their president is a nutjob?

You wingnut crackpots care more about what’s going on in other countries than you do about the US.

Please move to Iraq or Iran so that instead of cheerleading from the sideline, you can actually play in the game.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Joe Biden could talk any of our enemies to death if liberals would refrain from calling it torture. Might not be a bad deal!

RE,

I think we agree a lot on cutting government waste too.

By Paul

September 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW’s poll:

Rudy - Barak - Mitt - Edwards

getalife Goldie

Stick that in your pipes and smoke it -

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Do you ever read outside of the Puffington Host? Read a few things from Ilan Berman for starters and get back to me when you’re more informed.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Craig Votes Against Bill To Protect Homosexuals .

Bwa.

By Doomsday: Friday Oct 5, 2007

September 27, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

On Friday Oct 5, 2007 Doom will announce the top blogger on Luckovich’s blog for 2007. I will also announce the top idiot for 2007. There are many contenders, very little time.

Doom

By RE

September 27, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

RW

Want to hear my plan for cutting 190 billion out of next years budget?

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

RE,

No thanks.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

{{[[When a country is threatened it unifys and hardens them]]

Not in America —}}

Say DUHHHHH— liberals in America are the ones who know who really “threatened” us, and it wasn’t IRAQ! Boy, are you stupid or what…

By Paul

September 27, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

RE

Give it a shot -

ps - you did say “cut”?!!? Proves it - you couldn’t be a farfarawayUltraLib

By RE's plan

September 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

RW,

RE’s plan includes the discontinuation of all the porn the democrats have allowed people to produce ever since they legalized it. Also, it includes the cutting off of all the unnecessary govt spending for people who don’t believe in work.

Doom

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

{{It says I most match Mitt Romney.}}

RW supports the Big Flip-Flopper from Massachusetts — wow, this day will go done in blog history!

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

{{Stick that in your pipes and smoke it - }}

Thanks, Paul — I may just do that!

By Paul

September 27, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie

[[RW supports the Big Flip-Flopper from Massachusetts ]]

I believe Hillary’s from New York…

By RE

September 27, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Paul,

190 billion spending cut:

do not authorize the War spending bill. Pull the troops out. It could save over a trillion in 5 years.

And please, someone break out the comic books to occupy Doom. School must have just let out.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Goldielox,

I know comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but it’s a web site that makes the claim I support Romney based on my answers to their questions and the relevant weight I give to each issue.

Personally I’m not even close to selecting a candidate and based on a formula I’m noodling through I think I would lean to Rudy or Fred, but I want Huckabee on the undercard of either of them.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

{{Stick that in your pipes and smoke it - }}

Done, now I got the munchies.

By mm

September 27, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

RW,

I actually have a life. I don’t spend my time reading leftwing or rightwing propaganda.

I can see how we need a VR in this country.

[[VR’s issues are not a matter of Right and Left. They are a matter of Right and Wrong! The tactics and the power of the Democrats and progressives in this country have not been sufficient to check the actions of a corrupt Republican agenda.]]

But as I said, you wingnuts only care about what’s going on elsewhere in the world.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

RE,

Now that we have your plan how do you propose to give us our $190 Billion back?

By Doom is here

September 27, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I thought I told you to get into rehab? You and Vick, what bedfellows.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

doomed,

Are you in “high” school?

By Paul

September 27, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

RE

On a similar note - I saw Barak’s plan for Social Security solvency - eliminate the cap on taxable earnings (some here have said Reps manufactured a SS crisis, doesn’t exist - but why are Dems proposing to fix something that isn’t broken?).

It illustrates Dems generally look at raising taxes, first and only, to fix something. Reid’s already said anything else is a cut that would hurt retirees. Politics.

I think plenty would support minor delays in age to get benefits. Plus change the way increases are calculated - to inflation that affect elderly (such as minimize effect of home price increases, emphasize food, transportation).

Heck, it’s the least the up and coming generation can do to partially make up for the financial anchor we’ve put around younger worker’s necks to pay for the coming generation’s selfishness.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

Ilan Berman is hardly a right or left wing propagandist. In that “actual life” of yours is ignorance a helpful thing?

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Ooh, RW’s getting his feelings hurt @ 3:14 — it’s only a poll.

I think you may need to get Paul’s pipe and smoke it, too!

By mm=Moonbat monster

September 27, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

getalife and mm should get a room and smoke all the pot they can get their liberal hands on. It baffles Doom how much the left loves pleasurable things, but can’t stand the things that they need to be responsible citizens.

Doom

By RE

September 27, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Money back?

Rw the US has a 9 trillion debt to pay down first. Pay that down to increase US fiscal security and then we can talk about getting the money back to you.

By Hey Paul

September 27, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

I don’t remember anyone here saying anything like

””“some here have said Reps manufactured a SS crisis, doesn’t exist - but why are Dems proposing to fix something that isn’t broken?)”“

I do remember discussing privatization as being really stupid, and discussing the different time frames being suggested by a number of different groups for the date of insiolvency.

I suggest you are blowing smoke

I suggest you are guilty of gross generalization

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

BILLIONS keep going down that black hole in Iraq — and BILLIONS unaccounted for, too:

New Rule: Stop Saying Iraq is Another Vietnam, it’s Another Enron

In closing: “Meanwhile the Bush administration has not litigated a single case against a contractor alleged to have defrauded the US Government in Iraq. Apparently, like terrorism, this isn’t a law enforcement issue either.”

By Hey Doom

September 27, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Th-th-th-thats all folks!

Or is this you?

Either way, I bet you only have 3 fingers!

By Paul

September 27, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul

Well, I don’t expect you to key in on the posts from months back I find interesting.

It’s now come full circle - with getalife quoting the Comptroller General on the looming SS/Medicare/Medicaid fiscal crisis. Both parties are to blame.

So whatcha think? Real, or not? If so, any ideas? I’ve given a couple.

(“gross generalization”? - been watching episodes of “Yes, Minister”?) -

I’m out to check 3:10 to Yuma.

Cheers ‘till tomorrow, all -

By I suggest Hey is a pot smoking duche bag

September 27, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Hey(fake ID),

There you go picking on Paul again. His statement, apparently didn’t apply to you, so butt out!

If you want to fight Paul, you must face the power of Doom!

By Hey Paul

September 27, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Well, tomorrow, when you come back maybe YOU could key in the posts that you find interesting.

No crisis. Adjustment Required. (as before)

Yes, Minister? Was not a viewer. When I think gross generalization I think Paul.

By I don't do DC, try Marvel dumba$$

September 27, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

The things Doom does to help online idiots!

Doom

By getalife

September 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

doomed,

Chill out duuuude.

Try some skunk bud.

Paul,

I see I am way ahead of the learning curve realizing the government is broken.

Get back to me when you come to this reality.

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

{{On a similar note - I saw Barak’s plan for Social Security solvency - eliminate the cap on taxable earnings}}

Only wealthy Repugs feel that having their wealthy friends that make over 98K have to actually be taxed on their income to be a “tax increase” … how can that be an increase when they don’t get taxed on that income at all, and yet they expect their payback in retirement all the same??? Isn’t that really called “cheating”, to receive benefits that you have not really paid for?

Maybe if the Repugs would start paying their fair share it would not be a “solvency problem” anymore!

By Hey Doom

September 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Butt Out to you too!

However, I have trouble taking direction from an animated character.

They way to get rid of doom?

A great big eraser!

By Senator Craig (R)

September 27, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

I proudly voted in the United States Senate today with a big NO to the ridiculous hate crimes bill the would include protection for gays. (I am NOT a Homosexual btw.)

As a Republican, upholding family values is my moral duty. I am honored to serve.

I will stay on at the Senate so I can continue the good fight!

God Bless!

By No one can erase Doom!

September 27, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Hey(fake ID), You just reminded me of something.

ATTENTION EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG:

From this day forth, I will reinstate my former title and use the Id monicker I originally entered this blog with, Dr.Doom.

Dr.Doom

By mm

September 27, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

RW,

I was responding to your childish Huffington Post comment.

Berman is in bed with the Bush Administration.

Who’s ignorant?

And Doom, please put down the keyboard and go back to playing with your crayons.

By Please Give me Attention

September 27, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

If you just ignore him……………

By Flower Of Southern Womanhood

September 27, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

In bed with the Bush Administration?

Eeewwwwwww!

By @@

September 27, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

RE:

(((The intention of legislation rarely has anything to do with how it is actually used.)))

Nooooooo, surely you jest. Kinda goes to the point of my argument on harrassment and free speech don’t it?

When legislation goes to protect small interest groups because of their whining, those on the left are all for it regardless of the overreaching impact on society. When legislation goes to protect us from a visible threat, those on the left don’t want to be in the same melting pot.

Weird….weird….weird.

Getalife @ 1:55:

(((Am I the only one reading?)))

GFY (Good for you)

(((Please read before you spew.)))

GFY……..;-)

That “match up with your candidate” link has me favoring Romney. No way! I’m going for Giuliani/Huckabee. I could fit “ugly” Fred in there somewhere given time and a reason.

By Dr.Doom

September 27, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

RE(fake ID),

Why don’t you get back to jerking off to sheep pictures? Leave me alone!

Doom

By getalife

September 27, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

@@,

9/11 and a preacher.

Mmmmmm, a sure loser.

I am voting Clintons to clean up bushies mess again.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

doomed,

We took a vote.

Congrats, you won idiot of the blog.

Stand proud son.

By Senator Craig (R)

September 27, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

I did that “match your candidate” and it just listed john.

No last name, no phone number, no age, no size. Just john.

By Hey Doom

September 27, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Sheep?

I’m not the kind of guy who would steal your date!

Last I heard, Fluffy, still longs for you and you only.

BAAA BAAA BAAA

By Goldie

September 27, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

{{I believe Hillary’s from New York…}}

Paul @ 3:09— correct, so that would have nothing to do with the Big Flip-Flopper from Mass., now would it?

Try and pay attention here…

By Sailor

September 27, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

“The Sailor said Andi/e-duh, you’re a fine girl…”

Andi/e-duh and I were on manuevers this weekend. We were playing war games - I dropped my pants, and s/he tired to blow me away.

Made my hair curl.

Get it?

By Senator Craig (R)

September 27, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

One candidate certainly does stand out in my view. Mitt Romney! Yousa.

Fred, yuck, total troll. Guilliani, hate them fems. Newt, don’t like his positions.

I am open to oral arguments from all of them however. Except Fred, yuck.

By RE

September 27, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

@@,

I don’t think this is much of a left right issue as it is a short sighted/ pandering issue. The worst offender I think is hate crime legistlation, which provides harsher penalties for certain protected groups. This was primarily pushed by the left.

On the right would be certain parts of the patriot act. I remember hearing a couple years ago about a north carolina case where a guy was making crstal meth out in a trailer. He was charged with manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.

Be careful when you hear of laws being referred to as “tools”

By @@

September 27, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

(((9/11 and a preacher)))

What would make you say such a thing?

9/11 hasn’t been forgotten by anyone that I know. A looming reminder of the dangers that Rudy will confront and Edwards calls a “bumper sticker”.

I admire Huckabee for his smackdown of Paul. He brings a good balance to Rudy. He’s not overly judgmental like you are.

The perfect balance that draws supporters of a strong defense and the faithful.

By Lex Luthor

September 27, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Dr. Doom,

Your presence is requested back at the Hall of Doom. It seems that my power stick has malfunctioned and I need you to give me a hand.

Lex Luthor

By Hey Everybody

September 27, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Here’s Doom

By @@

September 27, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Well RE, it’s better that “the individual states” make laws than the “tools” forcing legislation.

I can somewhat see their argument. What’s the rate of meth addictions in North Carolina?. What impact is it having on families? What impact is it having on crime? What impact is it having on costs to the taxpayer. What impact is it having of theft insurance rates for businesses?

Kaboom!!!!! That little WMD is diffused for 12 years.

My advice….don’t manufacture methamphetamines. If you, RE, don’t like the laws in your state….move to Oregon, Vermont, Massachussetts. One of those states with more liberal laws.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

@@,

Rudy is a liberal so I guess you will have to stop blaming libs for everything.

Paul won that debate according to faux opinion.

There are two proven winners in this race.

Clintons to clean up bushies mess again.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

(m)ental (m)idget,

If Berman is in bed with the Bush administration and the Bush administration is looking to invade Iran why is Berman promoting a revolution from within Iran instead?

You’re starting to sound as braindead as Goldielox.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Osama bin forgotten, giving amnesty by @@’s hero w to steal Iraq’s oil.

Geez, what a legacy.

By IN THE NEWS

September 27, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

What does BOR really say about black people?

By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Sailor September 27, 2007 4:21 PM Get it?}}}}

getalife: No, we don’t “get it,” why don’t you elaborate?

Koward.

~~~~~~

{{{{The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of the next presidential term in 2013.}}}}

Geez, what happened to their promise of a “new direction,” all troops out in 2007?

All that noise, all the mindless babbling, all of the insults to our troops and their commanders, look who’s really the punk.

2013? Looks like they are nothing but candy as-s kowards, go figure.

By RE

September 27, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

Chalabi was promoting an internal revolution in Iraq, if I remember correctly, part of that whole” they will greet us as liberators thing.

@@,

I don’t mean to be too harsh, but that is horrible thinking. Laws should have definative meanings. It should be for specific purposes and crimes. That type of thinking is exactally why many people here have a problem with the erosion of civil rights in the last few years.

Currently a person can be detained without trial or cause if they are deemed by the president to be an enemy combatant, without judicial review. Wiretaps can be done without warrent, also without any judicial review. That is the problem when you write laws. It is an easy stretch to say, well arent drug dealers a form of terrorist, is orginized crime a terrorist orginization, street gangs… etc.

When civil rights begin to erode, it is hard to get them back, the government does not cede power, if it does not bother you now, I would like to hear your thoughts after 4 years of a democratic president and congress.

Short sighted thinking.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Meth lab explosions put hospital burn units in a bind

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

RE,

Why would Chalabi say they would greet us as liberators if he was promoting us not ever going there?

Are you libs holding another “biggest dunce” competition today?

By getalife

September 27, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

duh,

Why are you asking me wanker?

They do not know what they will be handed by w and his disasters. He is not man enough to clean up his own messses so the Clintons will have to do it again.

RW,

Condi is trying to stop dick from bombing Iran so not all the admin. want war with Iran.

By RE

September 27, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

RW,

Good article, did you notice the part where vaderbilt has 1 million in expenses that will not be paid for.

Back to the point that medical care does not behave according to the laws of supply and demand.

By RE

September 27, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

The revolution just needed our help. I am sure this grass roots revolution will just need our help, all those poor oppresed people in Iran just waiting for the US to overthrow thier government.

Hey, it didn’t work out the last 2 times, but maybe the 3rd time is the charm.

By @@

September 27, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

RE:

(((Laws should have definative meanings. It should be for specific purposes and crimes.)))

Ab-so-lutely! They should and have been watered down and cross-referenced expanding them into the realm of lunacy.

(((When civil rights begin to erode, it is hard to get them back)))

One man’s civil rights are another man’s liberties.

My original post on the drug charge was offered up with a little tongue and cheek RE. I was hoping that you would realize that.

The guy should have been arrested and prosecuted on drug manufacturing charges and as many add-ons that could have been allowed.

Now let’s not get into the legalized drug debate because that one would be very costly in terms of family in my opinion. Purely from a human perspective, which is my main concern. Innocent children would suffer at the stupidity of their parents.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’m sure that with you promoting slaps on the wrist for meth dealers and Hillarycare covering all their workplace accidents that health care problem will clear right up.

The people supporting an internal revolution in Iran are not talking about the US military doing the overthrow, so you redefining the terms to declare yourself right won’t fly.

By Dr.Doom

September 27, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

@@,

Re is a self professed crack cocaine addict. He and getalife spend most of their time screwing each other, smoking crack, and campaigning for more liberal perverted laws to pass.

Doom

By RE

September 27, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Rw,

With you lacking the ability to distinguish weapons of mass destruction from redneck crack, I am sure you will approve of the 82nd airborne going into Paulding county. Forget that posse comitatus stuff, we are in a war!

At times I wonder if you have principles. It seems like you just root for an idealogy but aren’t grounded in any reason.

Laws are laws, they should be specific and should be adhered to. The constitution can be ammended, but not ignored due to circumstance. On foriegn policy, the US should protect the United States, not every country on the earth.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

RE,

Your very own article says that the dude was charged under a North Carolina state law which kind of invalidates your whole 5:40 diatribe.

By @@

September 27, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 5:15:

Don’t tell me that you’re buying into that crap that Cheney is pushing Israel to attack Iran opening the door for us to retaliate when Iran does. There are numerous problems with that assertion besides the fact that it has no credible sources.

Why would Cheney ask Israel to attack first? How many Arab states would be pleased with an attack on Israel and how many Arab states would be pleased that we attacked one of their own to avenge Israel?

If the U.S. is going to attack Iran, it would sit much better with the Saudis, Jordanians and Egyptians if we just did it outright.

If they’re claiming that Cheney has to push Bush, then how can they claim that Cheney runs the show?

If they’re implying that Cheney and Bush have cooked this plan up together to force Congress’s approval, haven’t you always said that Bush does things without Congressional approval.

So if Cheney, as the story goes, was “thinking” about it; what does thinking about it mean exactly? His “thoughts” aren’t as dark and secretive as the liberals would have us believe?

If he was thinking about it at all, then maybe the media is complicit in political maneuvers to get Iran to shift it’s policies on Iraq and maybe you’ve been duped by them.

What if you and I don’t know or aren’t intended to know all strategic moves when it comes to this conflict with Iran.

Whether you realize it or not, you may be helping the cause by repeating the story.

By Dr.Doom

September 27, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Doomsday is approaching everyone!Friday October 5. Who do you think should be the top blogger and top idiot for 2007. Your input will be noted.

Doom

By RE

September 27, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

The crime used to carry a prison sentence of six months, but a new state law, prompted by the Patriot Act, classifies the meth-lab ingredients as chemical weapons of mass destruction.

By @@

September 27, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Doom:

You’re not an undercover operative for the media are you?

Are you spreading rumors? :-)

By Dr.Doom

September 27, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

@@,

Look at both of their earlier comments to Paul. They were discussing smoking drugs today and yesterday, especially getalife.He wants it to be legal and stated he’s willing to fly to California to get it. Doom doesn’t know how to reposts links like you all do,so you would have to manually search for it if you want to see it.

Doom

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

RE:

Six months???? Not enough for the damage that they do. That guy could one day be peddling to your son.

By Luckoduh

September 27, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife September 27, 2007 5:15 PM duh, Why are you asking me wanker?}}}}

getalife: Because that was something that a wormy little liberal would post and you were the first one to come to mind.

It ain’t that hard to figure out, wanker.

{{{{They do not know what they will be handed by w and his disasters.}}}}

They know what they got right now and all they do is bleat like a bunch of sheep before the vast unchecked power of the Republican minority, with the occasional yapping like a pack of scattered toothless hyena.

You may as well be proud of being a koward cause ain’t none of them gonna grow any nads.

Pitiful.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

What part of “new State law” don’t you understand?

The statute defines a chemical weapon as any weapon, device, method or substance that is designed or has the capability to cause death or serious injury through the release, dissemination or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their immediate precursors.

Looks like Martin Dwayne Miller was a pretty bad actor all the way around.

{{{{{In the meantime, Martin Dwayne Miller, age 24, is residing at the county detention center, placed under a $505,000 secured bond. The bond amount reflects not only the WMD charge, but also the possession of an automatic weapon and the charges from his previous arrest. His court date is in mid September.}}}}}

By getalife

September 27, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

@@,

It is all rhetoric and a distraction from the Iraq disaster. The media is helping in this distraction.

Condi is working in Burma, so the war mongering will stop for now.

By RE

September 27, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

then increase the penalties for meth production.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

I’ll check that out. I knew that Getalife likes to “strip skunks” but I had no idea he partook of drugs without a prescription.

If I find that RE is doing drugs as a father he’ll be in for a terrible scolding from me.

You keep a close eye on things 007.

Fill me in when I get home from work. I don’t want to be forced to read all comments.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Well there ‘ya go. The risk that manufacturing meth brings is in fact “massive”.

Good job RW. Looks valid to me.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

There must be 500 blogs out there that all start “If convicted Martin Dwayne Miller could get 12 years to life for a crime usually carries a penalty of six months…”

I didn’t see a single one that tells you he’s a multiple offender or even the final outcome.

One blog was pretty funny though, he said it was a “pipe bomb” charge.

By RE

September 27, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

All about the law and the intent.

The honest way to go about it would have been to specifically target meth production, instead they piggy back onto a different law for something that is clearly not a weapon of mass destruction.

I used to live in NC, a law like that can be applied a lot of ways. I was there for a few hurricanes, lots of rain, the hog farms in SE NC would flood. When they flood, the settling ponds (thats the place where they shovel all the poo for the hogs) would overflow into the rivers and be washed down stream. There were deaths due to septic shock from the fecal matter, lots of infections as well.

Clearly, under that reading, they could be charged with WMD as well.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Whoops! My 6:15 should have been addressed to Dr. Doom.

I wonder if all those blogs out there support legalized drugs.

“Free Tookie”….er “Matin”.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

RE:

Hogwash!!!!

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Read the first paragraph under health hazards

Doesn’t that just say it all? Now we don’t know if we’re dealing with moonbat(ic)s® around here or just a bunch of crackheads.

By RE

September 27, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Haven’t done anything stronger than asprin and budweiser in many years.

By Buy Danish

September 27, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

I just completed that handy dandy candidate quiz and Romney is my candidate too.

I wonder if Romney’s campaign put it together and fixed it so he ends up being the right answer no matter how you answer. Ha Ha.

Actually, Romney is my guy at this point.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

@@,

I have a feeling the WMD charge is all hype and no hogs as they say. I can’t find a single story about the poor crackhead having to face this charge in court. Chances are the DA said he planned to make this charge which started all the dopers and anti Patriot Act loons up and then was either told the statute didn’t apply or chose not to apply it.

I’m leaning toward the courts saying the statute didn’t apply because there don’t seem to be any other “Martins” out there.

My principled and grounded findings are that this is one of those hysterical liberal horror stories that live on in small minds like RE’s and are nothing but pools of hog poo.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Meth is made in Mexico in large quantities, the gangs have taken it over and good luck stopping.

You can buy weed with a script and shops are selling it in Cali.

I think both the Mexican and our government are corrupt in the war on drugs because there is just too much money to make.

We occupy Afghanistan but allow poppy fields.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

From RW’s link:

Addiction can be counteracted through “COGNITIVE” behavioral management therapy.

Houston, we have a problem.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

“We have nothing to hide,” Mr. Ahmadinejad said in a speech to the United Nations General Assembly. “You can search the entire country – even the airport bathrooms.”

Ouch, geez.

By @@

September 27, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

RW @ 6:46:

You’re probably right. I don’t follow drugs and meth houses as closely as Getalife and RE.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Speaking of that dearly missed blogger, Hi Buy Danish!!!

I started getting that feeling about a “friend” of Romney putting that out. I changed a lot of answers and their weighting and still got Mitt.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

@@,

Just watch Lou Dobbs or read something.

Geez.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

I thought ya’ll hated flip floppers?

Oh, right, only if the left does it.

Can you stick to a positition or do they change on a daily basis?

Geez.

By RE

September 27, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Hysterical liberal horror story,

Yeah I guess the DA didn’t really charge the guy. And you can’t find any information, therefore your conclusion is principled and grounded, you should work for the Bush Admin.

Getalife, funny coincidence, any idea who the #2 opium producer is after afghanistan?…… Myanmar.

No tinfoil hat theories yet, just an odd coincidence.

By @@

September 27, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

If I read anymore than I already do I’d be a walking library.

I can’t watch CNN anymore. They spread lies they get from Media Matters.

I’m off to read Stratfor right now.

Hi Buy Danish. Dusty and I have been worried and wondering.

By getalife

September 27, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

Mmmmm, no I did not know that.

By Buy Danish

September 27, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Hi RW!

I wouldn’t be surprised if that story about the meth hillbilly from NC, I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole story is a hoax perpetrated by Pravda, the Onion, or George Soros.

I couldn’t find anything either, except the original stories that circulated in 2003.

By RW-(the original)

September 27, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

RE,

Then it’s incumbent on you to find us a story about Martin facing the WMD charge in court.

I’ll bet 1000 mangoes he never did.

Anybody with any sense knows that him actually facing these charges in court or being convicted of them would an MUCH bigger story than the DA saying he planned to charge him under the WMD statute.

Typical unthinking lunatic lib propaganda. How much of that stream water did you drink, RE? Maybe you have some recourse, I believe there’s an out of work trial lawyer in North Carolina you can check with. His wife is running him for President but he seems to have plenty of free time.

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