Mike Luckovich

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Um, Rudy’s finger is pointing at the 12 minute tick.

Apparently, he has moved on from 9/11, while the cartoonist hasn’t.

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The Atlanta Urinal Constitution, in cooperation with Al Qaeda, is somewhat miffed to bring you the following news:

{{{{Agents say ruse used on terror suspect- FBI wants evidence admitted against Roswell man charged in 2006 with plotting with Muslim extremists in Toronto.-Urinal}}}}

The infidels tricked us!

Not fair, not fair!

ACLU, ACLU!

It is a constitutional right to scheme blowing up innocent women and children, uh, that’s what you liberals told us to say, isn’t it?

Let me go, waaaaaa!

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Getting tough out there to find “help:”

{{{{Maj. Gen. Abdul-Jalil Khalaf, Basra’s police chief, said the suicide bomber’s legs were found tied to the steering wheel —- clearly an attempt by the attack’s planners to prevent the driver from running away.-Urinal}}}}

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{{{{Episcopal bishops retreat on gays Episcopal leaders, pressured to roll back their support for gay people to keep the world Anglican family from crumbling, affirmed that they will “exercise restraint” in approving another gay bishop and will not approve prayers to bless same-sex couples.}}}}

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{{{{Though there’s no Outer Perimeter in the plan, officials noticed that if you string together arterials like Ga. 20 and Ga. 92, you get nearly a whole ring around metro Atlanta.}}}}

Oh, great, so now the Outer Perimeter is Ga. 92, wonderful.

The same 92 that is impassable at 3 in the afternoon and has traffic lights “synchronized” to stop the flow of vehicles every few hundred feet, even at 5 in the morning.

And here’s DOT, our very own knights in shining armor, the people tasked with keeping the traffic in metro Atlanta moving, all happy with themselves because they found Ga. 20 on a map.

WE ARE SCREWED.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

{{{“Rudy Giuliani Spent 29 Hours At Ground Zero In Three Months”

Here’s what Giuliani previously said about the time he spent at Ground Zero after 9/11: “I spent as much time here as anyone…I was here five, six times a day for four months. I kind of thought of it as living here.” Apparently, he may have exaggerated just a bit.

From the article:

Twenty-nine hours.

That’s the total amount of time Rudy Giuliani actually spent at Ground Zero in three months following the attacks, according to a report in this morning’s New York Times.

Rudy, you’ll recall, recently caused a huge controversy by saying he’d spent as much or more time at Ground Zero than “most” of the 9/11 recovery workers. These new revelations about his time at the site are almost certain to raise yet more questions about his efforts to run for President partly on his performance after 9/11 — and to further enrage the firefighters, cops and rescue workers who despise him for those efforts and accuse him of falsely lionizing his own 9/11 performance. }}}

Says it all don’t it!

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

House passes SCHIP funding with strong support.

By luckovichisaheadcase

September 26, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

That’s funny - with you libs it’s always 9/10. You don’t even like to admit that it happened. We were attacked. Radical Muslims did it. We are fighting them now on two active fronts and covertly. There has not been an attack since. Obviously something has been done right. Even France is taking our side now on most of these issues. Let’s fact it -with you folks it is always ‘hate America first’ and give simpathy, aid and comfort to our sworn enemies, no matter how odious. You also want to destroy our friends, especially Israel. Can any one say ‘anti-semitism’?

By Shawny

September 26, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Should we expect a Fred Thompson attack cartoon tomorrow, Lucko? Or McCain, perhaps?

Loser.

By Hey, Head Case

September 26, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

You got it wrong.

The cons are stuck on 9/11/01.

The Libs are at 9/25/07 working towards 1/20/09.

By reebok

September 26, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

The Dems better hope that Giuliani gets the GOP nomination…he’s the only candidate that Hillary C could beat. People seem to have forgotten what a nasty weasel he is. In a year-long Presidential campaign, he’d melt down completely. And wait ‘til his kids start campaigning against him!

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

Uh, like I was saying:

{{{{There’s an excellent booklet available from the National Center for Policy Analysis (ncpa.org) titled “A Global Warming Primer.” Some of its highlights are:}}}}

{{{{“Over long periods of time, there is no close relationship between CO2 levels and temperature.”}}}}

{{{{“Humans contribute approximately 3.4 percent of annual CO2 levels” compared to 96.6 percent by nature.}}}}

{{{{“There was an explosion of life forms 550 million years ago (Cambrian Period) when CO2 levels were 18 times higher than today. During the Jurassic Period, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, CO2 levels were as much as nine times higher than today.”}}}}

Duh.

And for you goonies who can do nothing to defend your position but attack the messenger:

{{{{The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, established in 1983. The NCPA’s goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental regulation.}}}}

By Analchord

September 26, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Shawny. Dont call a pulitzer prize winner a loser. It makes you look very ineffective.

Guilliani plays the 911 card and he holds, and he holds, and he stays, and he stays, betting that the house wont get 21 to his 20 (9+11).

Well Blackwater and Blackjack dont mix, if’n you be diggin’ what I’m shoveling here, sir.

Now post again, and dont be callin’ no pulitzer boy no loser, word?

By Hey, Duh

September 26, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

For the SECOND time

AN OPENLY CONSERVATIVE GROUP Check out the funding

[National Center for Policy Analysis] (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NationalCenterforPolicyAnalysis)

Then there’s this

NCPA’s Principal Issues:

By Dusty

September 26, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla @ 8:07

I think you got up early to search the Demo news line to give us your daily dose of hero-bashing.

You presented a countdown on every minute of Giuliani’s time on 9/11. (libs said not enough of course!) You forgot to mention the hundreds of funerals of the 9/11 victims that the Mayor attended. He did not ask whether the dead were Democrats or Republicans. He just went to support the families and the city. Why don’t you try that sometimes?

By georgia 74

September 26, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

NCPA, non partisan, yeah and I’m taking Angelina Jolie up in my Lear jet in a few minutes.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Yes, I rise early and read and study. It’s a good thing.

While it is documented that Rudy attended over 200 funerals of 9/11 victims that does not make his statement (see above) correct.

We have had enough “misleading” from a President in the last 7 years.

Let’s try and do better next time.

By @@

September 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Dang ml, now we’re gonna have people telling us we can’t have theme parties.

No Luau theme parties?

No Western theme parties?

No Pirate parties?

No Casino parties?

No Roaring Twenties parties?

No Mardi Gras parties?

No Sports parties?

No Baby showers?

No Wedding showers?

How about a party with musical chairs…we can call it the MoveOn over party.

A Giuliani spokeswoman called the donation amount an unfortunate choice made without the campaign’s knowledge. Giuliani supporter Abraham Sofaer, who is to hold the fundraiser at his California home Wednesday, said some young people came up with the idea.

By Analchord

September 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

georgia 74. please tell me. I’m begging. My fantasy depends on this: does angelina shave?

You hold the key to my happiness in the palm of your hand, sir. Blog correct here, sir. I be waitin’, and anticipatin’.

By Brad

September 26, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Ever since that Whirled Peas conference Angelina doesn’t even shave her Pitts.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Fighting Climate Change ‘Makes Economic Sense

I guess Angela Merkel is wrong about this, huh, Andy?

By Hey, Everybody

September 26, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

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http://johnson.senate.gov/contact Tim Johnson

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By georgia 74

September 26, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

We haven’t taken off yet, but does it really matter?

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

Bush, who will give the opening statement at the UN General Assembly Tuesday, sat next to Merkel at the meal.

I wonder if he’ll try and grope her again, I’d love to see her b*** slap him.

Yeah, Andy, you and the other neo cons can believe what you want, but it seems the rest of the world believes differently.

But, by all means, you keep going with that.

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Good one, Brad!!

Angelina’s tomb-raider character giggles when she’s in danger, have you noticed? Really love her. I got it kinda bad, and I hope you’d let me know about the shave thang, cause what are dreams made of anyway? (I sound like walter brennan begging gary cooper for a lock of Lilly’s red hair.)

I feel the same about Sharapova. I dream about the selection she surely must see of women’s disposable razors. She must go into Pharmacy’s. eh? She must just wander around the aisles, and that means she has to stubble upon the razors, and all I’m saying is that she could have put two and two together…..dont blame me, I’m french. (i’m so lonely)

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Der Spiegel is just full of good articles today:

[Based on the official list of campaign donors published last Friday, it seems that Big Business has also turned its back on the Republicans. Sixty corporate CEOs who had previously donated primarily to the Bush campaigns — including John Mack of Morgan Stanley, Rupert Murdoch of NewsCorporation and Terry Semel of Yahoo — are now giving more money to the Democrats.

Indeed, it’s already time for goodbyes at the White House. In recent weeks, some of the president’s closest advisors have been so quick to have their names stricken from the government’s personnel files that one might think some deadly disease had broken out in the Oval Office……It is all too apparent that the political energy is seeping out of the West Wing of the White House, which forms the heart of the US adminstration with the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room. Gone are the days when a buoyant president, when asked to name his favorite philosopher, cheerfully declared it was “Jesus.”](http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,507662,00.html)

Let’s see what else I can find - I feel like IN THE NEWS’ assistant today.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Woops! Alas, I am not as proficient as the great IN THE NEWS with the links, but here is the article in full in Der Spiegel if anyone would like to read it:

Goodbye George!

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

When you link to a story that is obviously something that already happened, it’s a little weird for you to then ponder what may happen at the event that’s already over.

In any case and in the spirit of bipartisanship, she only needed to worry about being groped if the story said she was seated next to Ahnold or Billy Jeff.

By the way, how does the definition of “neocon” fit with someone that thinks climate change is normal and needs no drastic action taken? It seems to me like taking drastic action in advance of positive proof is the textbook definition of neocon theory. How does it feel to be a weather NEOCON?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

By Shawny

September 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Sorry, loser is perhaps a bit strong. Hyper-partisan liberal is more accurate.

I am no Rudy fan…and yes, 9.11.01 is his schtick and claim to fame. He will play that card to try to stay out front.

Huckabee ‘08.

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

And a damn fine job your doing too!

I have my hands full today….. counting on you buddy.

By Dusty

September 26, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

bosch @9:33

Off the deep end as usual, bosch. If you want to talk about “gropers” you better talk about Clinton. Bill, that is, the world famous “Casanova” of young women.

Your German heroine Ms. Merkel should talk about ways to get China and India to stop pouring polution into the air without restrictions. They are not even part of the Kyoto protocol.

Mrs. Merkel said that with only 1% of our/your money would keep our economy from being hurt by pollution. You go ahead and send your one percent. I am waiting on China and India to take part.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

SUPPORT THE TROOPS and vote for/contribute to members of our government, who will do more than just talk about it.

Four Members of Congress and TRUE patriots - ALL Democrats, of course - who served during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:

Rep. Patrick Murphy - Bronze Star, US Army

Rep. Joe Sestak - retired Vice Admiral, US Navy

Rep. Tim Walz - served 24 years and attained the rank of Command Sergeant Major in the National Guard

Chris Carney - A Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas, activated for operations Enduring Freedom and Noble Eagle.

The following three candidates are all Iraq veterans and also have an excellent chance to reach the House of Representatives (John Boccieri, Jonathan Powers, and Adam Cote).

Our troops and veterans desperately need this representation in Congress, and our nation needs these leaders to preserve and strengthen our military and national security.

At the same time, those in Congress who are not serious about supporting the troops and protecting America must be swept out of office.

I.E., Senators George Allen, Rick Santorum, Conrad Burns, and Jim Talent, and defeated Representatives Melissa Hart, Gil Gutknecht, and John Sweeney.

As we all know, this election is pivotal. The vote in Nov. 08 will determine whether we continue to force our military to stay bogged down in Iraq, breaking our Army and Marine Corps, and putting America in danger, or if we’ll go on the offense against al Qaeda and protect America.

We can and will play a huge role in shaping the future.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By georgia 74 September 26, 2007 8:56 AM NCPA, non partisan, yeah and I’m taking Angelina Jolie up in my Lear jet in a few minutes.}}}}

{{{{By Bosch September 26, 2007 9:23 AM Fighting Climate Change ‘Makes Economic Sense I guess Angela Merkel is wrong about this, huh, Andy?}}}}

I know that this is probably way over your duhllard heads but there are two sides to every issue, usually the pro government regulation side versus the pro private industry side.

Now, keeping in mind that most liberals are paranoid morons who need government to look out for their every move in life, lest they should actually, gasp, take of themselves, the horror, most of them would be on the pro government regulation side of the issue, like little federal dhimmis.

The rest of us, not having been blinded by stupid foaming at the mouth hysteria can clearly see that, other than national defense, the government has pretty much been an abysmal failure at anything that it has ever undertaken. This puts us on the pro private industry side.

This is not that hard to figure out:

1) Private industry provides the tax dollars that the government works so hard to frivolously waste.

The government doesn’t grow money on trees, contrary to what you dimwit liberals must think, they have to tax private industry to finance their follies.

So if you cripple private industry with regulation, then who will you liberals turn to for coddling and sustenance if the government has no one to tax?

Do you think al-Gore will let all of you live in his 28,000 square foot mansion?

continued-

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

NEW YORK El Pais, the highest-circulation daily in Spain, today published what it said was the transcript of a private talk between President George W. Bush and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar on February 22, 2003, concerning the coming U.S. invasion of Iraq. It took place at the ranch in Crawford, Texas. The conversation took place on the President’s ranch in Crawford, Texas. The source for the leak was said to be someone in the Spanish government. Bush purportedly said he planned to invade Iraq inf March “if there was a United Nations Security Council resolution or not….We have to get rid of Saddam. We will be in Baghdad at the end of March.”

By Dusty

September 26, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Amvet @ 9:57

You should have said SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS and stopped there. But you did your usual long winded propaganda loaded post to tire the readers.

We already know you are a blind liberal follower of many IDs.

How about something new? SUPPORT THE TROOPS and SUPPORT REPUBLICANS. That way the funding for the troops won’t get cut and we will show real support for the ones who fight for us.

By bj in ky

September 26, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Duh,

Morning. I find we agree on something at last — traffic in Atlanta sucks, and there is no end in sight. You rode in a deuce and a half, eh? Good. Perhaps you do understand death. I do not drink. Though the disabled tag on my SUV isn’t decoration, I’m anything but a war hero. The use of the term applied to what I did and where I did it is an affront to anyone who served when we were for something as opposed to everything. The MoveOn ad was a vicious slap at a general by idiots of the same mind as those who came up with $9.11 donation fiasco. Both underscore absence of meaningful political debate these days. The pronoun “that” is usually associated with inanimate objects (he skips the cheap shot), whereas “who” is preferred for humans. “Whom” is archaic, though still in use. If you were referring to ME as a POS, “who” is correct. If you were referring to POS, then “that” is sufficient.

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

The Interior Department’s program to collect billions of dollars annually from oil and gas companies that drill on federal lands is troubled by mismanagement, ethical lapses and fears of retaliation against whistle-blowers, the department’s chief independent investigator has concluded. The report, a result of a yearlong investigation, grew out of complaints by four auditors at the agency, who said that senior administration officials had blocked them from recovering money from oil companies that underpaid the government.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Continued-

2) Government has done nothing but harm America for the last forty years, we are stupider than the people living in Ecuador because of our public education system, we have a vast population of hopeless government dependents who are mired in perpetual poverty, the Veteran’s Health Care system is doing more harm to it’s patients than the illness they treat does, our highway transportation system is run by 3rd grade level educated foreigners who must take immense joy and pleasure at seeing us all mired in endless gridlock .

On the other hand, our private industry has made us the dominant economic power in the world, the financial giant that other countries have to band together in a stupid “perfect” union to even approach our greatness.

Now let me think, who do I trust, whom shall I believe, what advice will I follow when it comes to the subject of global warming, uh, duh, gee.

And you stupid slobbering government dependent imbeciles prove my point for me, where I produce evidence to counter the claims of hysterics, you losers have nothing but silly shrieks of terror like private industry is some sinister monolith that wants to enslave us all.

Sort of like how government really does and has enslaved us all.

By Hey, Duh

September 26, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

I can buy part of your argument for little regulation of industry.

But could we maybe regulate TOYS and FOOD so they are safe?

Or is health and safety too high a price to pay?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

{{Sort of like how government really does and has enslaved us all.}}

DUH once again with his hysterics— let’s see, to summarize: “Gov’t of the people, by the people and for the people IS BAD. Big Corporations and their CEOs are what’s good! Hail to our CEOs!”

What, again, is the definition of a fascist gov’t, DUHHHH???

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

geez:

Now, keeping in mind that most liberals are paranoid morons who need government to look out for their every move in life, lest they should actually, gasp, take ((((care)))) of themselves, the horror, most of them would be on the pro government regulation side of the issue, like little federal dhimmis.

By bj in ky

September 26, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Private enterprise might not be a model you’d want to sell at the moment. Cost-plus contracts for shoddy work that seldom gets finished, $28 meals for troops, destroying equipment for lack of a proper tool, mowing down innocent Iraqis without consequence, open hatred between our troops and well-paid civilians they risk their lives to defend. If our government enslaves us, which is debatable, it surely is on the way to bankrupting us with its sweetheart deals with certain private contractors.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

duh is bashing government?

Why do you hate America?

GFY (Good for you), there is hope for you yet.

Which party wants government reform ?

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Just when do the terrorists win? We all say if this or that happens then the terrorist win, but we’re joking.

Just what does have to happen for the terrorists to win? America becomes the fourth reich? america does whatever the saudi royal family tells it to do? Blackwater mercenaries follow us home from Iraq and kill for the highest bidder? Scott free like in iraq?

what?

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Luckduh,

Allow me!

Goldielox,

Fascism: A system of government marked by stringent social and economic control. A strong central government that controls private enterprise.

Kind of like everything you moonbat(ic)s® spew about wanting on a daily basis.

Wouldn’t it be helpful if you imbeciles actually knew what the terms you throw around mean?

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

{{{{By bj in ky September 26, 2007 10:23 AM Private enterprise might not be a model you’d want to sell at the moment. Cost-plus contracts for shoddy work that seldom gets finished….}}}}

bj in ky: Government work, specified, funded and overseen by Government agencies.

Please find another example, preferably that is solely private in it’s endeavors, and not a Chinese company either.

You won’t be able to do it because free market competition has forced the unproductive and non efficient out of business.

Our government should give competition a try sometime.

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

GAO: Wounded vets still getting shoddy treatment

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

dusty,

How many more Americans do you want slaughtered and how many more billions do you want wasted for a mistake?

“Couric: It’s “Pretty Much Accepted” That Iraq War Was A Mistake. “People In This Country Were Misled”

What will we win in Iraq?

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

14 Points of fascism

Leave it to a simpleton to find the simple answer.

It’s like saying cancer is an illness. A definition to be sure. But not a big help in understanding the term.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

bj in ky: Here’s a plug of private industry for you, one that is up with current events-

General Motors is in it’s death throes, mostly because it pays it’s American workers $74 dollars an hour, which includes taxes and benefits, while Toyota only pays $48, also includes bennies.

Consider that the same American consumer that harps on government to provide for the “poor,” will happily go out of their way to find excuse to buy the Toyota, usually under the ridiculous premise of a “better product,” and at the same time take benefits away from the American worker, thereby lowering their hourly wage.

I’ve seen this kartoonist take advantage of the good things that GM has done over the years for all of it’s workers, by drawing a kartoon that tries to extort MORE benefits out of GM, and at the same time his “news” paper is rubbing GM’s nose in the success of Toyota.

Really, what kind of crap is that?

By getalife

September 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Come on RW.

Fascism:

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Geez.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

RW, You forgot to add the last part of your definition of fascism:

“….usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism.” (American Heritage Dictionary)

Oh, and I can “ponder” what I want to.

Like I told you yesterday, we all know who the real fascists are.

Gotta run out for a little bit, be back this afternoon.

IN THE NEWS, I know I’m letting you down, but I’ll try to pick up the slack this afternoon!

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Wrong, RW. Fascism is from Italy in the 1922-1943 era. You see, Mussolini and his wife, Pussolini, wanted totalitarian right wing nationalistic control over every aspect of Italian lives. That’s why the trains to the shopping malls always ran on time.

Now, Italian Fascism differs from German Fascism in that Heetler unt his frauline Teetler, wanted timely train schedules, yes, but more important, they vanted total control over everything down to the design of the automobiles, and thus the volksvagen bug was born. Also, Heetler wanted control over miller time in Germany, and he choreographed the Leiderhosen Slap Dance which is still performed by drunken ex-nazis today in Munich during octoberfest.

Rw, you are very passionate, but you do not persuade. A history 101 class would really help your blogging. Read more, sir.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

In the Prop and al-Gitmo: All you have done is verified the truthfulness of RW’s 10:32 post, fascism is a government that controls it’s economy, duh.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

RW @ 10:32 — from the online dictionary… it could certainly apply to corporate-dictators, especially pay attention to the “suppression” part:

“1. often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

September 26, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

I’m with Luck. We were better off when there weren’t any damn unions, or child labor laws, or worker safety laws, or laws enforcing a 40 hr. week, or minimum wage laws, or food safety laws, or laws meant to make sure drugs are safe, or medicaid, or medicare or social security, or federally funded student loans or pell grants. We were also better off when a business could not hire women or blacks if they chose not to. Back then people were happy to live on the stamps that they made from the coal mine that could be traded for food at the store owned by the coal mine. It looked like indentured servitude but who had the education to know what the hell that meant?

Back then the poorest in society were the elderly. Now they are the richest. We can go to stores and trust that the meat we eat will likely not kill us. Our kids aren’t working in coal mines and steel mills. Our workers aren’t getting their hands chopped off in industrial accidents. Essentially now you can be born poor and apply yourself and become rich whereas back then if you started off poor that’s where you were staying and vice versa. I mean this just f-ing sucks!

Yeah as always you are right, Luck. We were much much better off before FDR. Ever since FDR we’ve been struggling to remain relevant in the world. I’d like to be the world’s only superpower, but we’ll never get there until we get rid of these damn libs and their social programs.

RWNJIFG

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

ah, the little pieces of the puzzle:

{{{{How many people, for instance, know that James Hansen, a man billed as a lonely “NASA whistleblower” standing up to the mighty U.S. government, was really funded by Soros’ Open Society Institute , which gave him “legal and media advice”? That’s right, Hansen was packaged for the media by Soros’ flagship “philanthropy,” by as much as $720,000, most likely under the OSI’s “politicization of science” program.}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

[“It may be worse than Abu Ghraib.”

That’s a senior U.S. military official explaining to The Washington Post how strongly Iraqis are reacting to Blackwater’s September 16th shooting of civilians in Baghdad. By contrast, here’s a State Department official: “The bottom line of this is that we recognize that there’s an issue here.”](http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004293.php)

By Hey Duh

September 26, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

{{{In the Prop and al-Gitmo: All you have done is verified the truthfulness of RW’s 10:32 post, fascism is a government that controls it’s economy, duh.}}}

ROTFLMAO NWMP

By Rev Haggard

September 26, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

I hear Senator Craig (Republican Idaho,) is withdrawing his guilty Plea.

I hope thats not televised. Ewww.

By Hey Duh

September 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

“It may be worse than Abu Ghraib.” That’s a senior U.S. military official explaining to The Washington Post how strongly Iraqis are reacting to Blackwater’s September 16th shooting of civilians in Baghdad. By contrast, here’s a State Department official: “The bottom line of this is that we recognize that there’s an issue here.”

Got to have that linker looked at….

By Dusty

September 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

getalife @ 10:38

How many Americans do you want slaughtered when we retreat and let terrorists take over the world and attack the USA again?

You are STILL watching Couric along with the other two or three who stick with her? I don’t watch her or care about her views. Why don’t you try the Lehrer News Hour? They present both sides of events and policies.

Oh I forgot. You only watch absolutely liberal programs.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Come on duh,

Look at GM’s executive pay. They get their a-ss kicked by Japan. Cut their pay not increase it.

Why do you hate the American worker?

UAW does not and unions should be formed to save jobs from those greedy b*******.

By be careful what you ask for

September 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Intelligent discussion on fascism here until a paranoid troll of the liberal persuasion enters the debate.

Idiot libs — afraid of the government they want to assistance from.

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Blackwater will follow us home, folks.

Our country will not survive Blackwater’s insurgent mercenaries.

The danger is always the one we create ourselves for greed/cheney

By getalife

September 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

dusty,

I know your scared.

Back under your bed.

Couric is on your side dumbas-s

Geez, what a coward.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Nut Job @ 10:58 — oh, wouldn’t it be grand to have all Americans controlled by corporations such as Enron, Exxon, and Mattel??? Who needs any nasty “regulations” when it comes to corporate greed, yes???

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq?

Will Blackwater follow us home from Iraq?

What will the Blackwater mission be then?

What is the mission of Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq?

By be careful what you ask for

September 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Correction!

Idiot libs — afraid of the government they want to assist them.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: Toyota CEO: 9.3 million, GM CEO 8.6 million.

Bwa.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Yes, Condi is blocking the Blackwater investigation like the rest of the criminals.

It is bigger than Abu Ghraib because it was slaughter not torture.

The world see us as the axis of evil.

And dusty cheers it on.

Geez.

By Hey Duh

September 26, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Read the post, followed the links….

it says he was “packaged” by Soros.

What is “packaged” exactly?

Could it be like the friends of Scooter Libby paying for his media coverage and legal expenses?

USA PARTISAN????

IBD???

Backyard Conservative???

Why do I think this story is incomplete?

By getalife

September 26, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

GM should cut executive pay like Delta.

Rewarding failure is a gop mind set and wrong.

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

I’m worried about Dusty. She seems off balanced and diminished by something, maybe her intellect, or she’s got a cold, but get well soon, Dusty, and rejoin us all for a lively debate and a hearty meal of wits and bits, for without dissention we would all be yes men like the knights who can only say neh, we’d say yeh, and what kind of blog would this be?

We love you, Dusty.!!

By getalife

September 26, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

The corporate utopia agenda of globalization was for greed.

It hurts the people like Nafta and a big mistake. Perot was right.

The gop wants to continue this mistake because it benifits their donors.

The gop do not care about the people. Period.

Until the gop is dealt with, the destruction of this country will continue.

Sadly, there are many dems that have joined them.

Hence, the need for term limits, tight ethics and morals and government reform.

It is broken.

Louisiana has recognized this corrupt, broken system and is trying to fix it.

It could be the model for Washington but needs a strong leader. Jindell is a wingnut and not that person.

Which candidate is talking about government reform?

Clinton, of course.

By efsr

September 26, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

[[Blackwater mercenaries follow us home from Iraq and kill for the highest bidder?]]

This Osama guy’s been watching too much T.V. A Jericho fan I presume.

Jericho the series.

Get out more Osama. Living in your cave has addled your brain.

By luckovichisaheadcase

September 26, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

getalife - Clinton is looking at government reform in the same way Lenin did - by having the government do everything! Louisiana will only fix the corruption when all of the Edwards, Landrieus and Nagins are out of office. The legacy of the Long family runs deep and is the child of the Democrat party. Jindhal may be able to do it, but I doubt it as long as your folks keep control of the legislature.

Term limits are a silly idea whose time should never come. Nations like Mexico, Peru and Chile have term limits. Look at what happens in those places! Great Britain has none and they don’t need them. The best kind of term limits are elections! In fact, term limits tend to encourage an entrenche bureacracy to whom the legislators and elected administrators become completely beholden.

Always think through these ‘reforms’ because you might get more than you have bargained for!!!

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

As the campaigns “move on”, there is a near palpable panic revealed daily now by the discredited Bush loyalists/apologists and party first neo-cons here and throughout the land.

And though they are historically always WAY behind the curve, they are finally beginning to sense what mainstream America has known since last November - they will not evolve and therefore they are quickly going extinct.

YET! These are the blind mice who “think” they got lambasted last November because they didn’t remain true enough to this inane neo-conservatism first espoused by Reagan!

These mental midgets also say the Islamic murderers hate us “for our freedom” and the President is so unpopular because “we didn’t do a good job of getting his message out”.

Look at their sheer desperation and the growing animosity of the writings by the usual suspects here for evidence that they and their repudiated philosophies are again going to get their proverbial clocks cleaned.

So they are rightfully very discouraged and hope beyond hope it isn’t so. And they pray to their god that their autumn is not here, but even they no longer believe it.

All of the other philosophies demonstrated here - those in countless cases that are diametrically opposed to this “new” GOP - Libertarian, Independent, Moderate, Progressive, Populist, Traditional, Green and Conservative - though are steadfastly optimistic and relatively light of heart as they know the far right wing swan song they are hearing is unmistakable.

And the good news comes from an ever widening and growing number of quarters. And I, for one, love being a harbinger of this tale.

There are good days ahead for the nation and the neo-cons are hating it as it spells their own demise.

They can all GFT, Go “Find” Themselves.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

September 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

If your child is killed by a poisonous toy made by Mattel, pull yourself up by the bootstraps and buy from someone else next time. You see the “invisible hand of the market” cures all. If Company A poisons kids then people will then buy from Company B. Now some libs might say that if the consumer has to fear things on the market that it may reduce spending across the board, but that makes to much sense for my winger mind to absorb.

Also, just because you kid is killed by a poison toy don’t go hiring any lawyers to get paid money for your dead kid. You took the risk when you bought it so just suck it up and move on.

You see we can have one of two things, either a coorporate dominated country where we are all treated as carrion for the vultures to pick over until we’re all used up or we can have communism. What we can’t have is a debate where you have one side which tries to protect the consumer/citizen and the other side which tries to protect profits so that in the end some sensible balance is made between regulation and the interests of business. No you can’t have that b/c it makes too much sense and it isn’t ideological. Its an intelligent and sober debate about what is in the best interest of the most people and therefore it can’t happen.

RWNJIFG

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Off topic I know but I wonder who will see more inside time - Vick for abusing and killing canines or Jeffs for abusing (as an accomplice) a 14 year old female?

Whaddya think?

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Hey getalife, did you see what Trump had to say about Condi?

I’m paraphrasing only slightly, but essentially it was that she was a wonderful woman.

BUT THAT SHE WAS BASICALLY USELESS.

He asked. “Name one thing she has done? One deal? Even one?”

He calls this administration a bunch of third-rate amateurs who are getting whipped by the likes of Chavez.

But unlike The Donald, the neo-cons consider their “philosophy” more important than results.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Osama @ 11:14 — and how about our home-grown terrorists right here? We put McVeigh and Rudolph out of everyone’s misery, but there’s plenty more where they came from. America is infected with right-wing terrorists…

And there’s hope each day that we’ll get those right-wingnut loonies — look at what the jury in Utah decided about Warren Jeffs yesterday. He’s a terrorist hiding behind his “religion”:

Sect Leader Is Convicted as an Accomplice to Rape

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

How is Blackwater organized? Who orders them to fire at will? Who tells them to cease fire?

Will Blackwater follow us home? Who is the oversight about their ability to smuggle their weapons from Iraq to the USA when they finally do follow us home?

I definitely want Blackwater fighting over there so they dont fight us over here.

That’s 4 sure. that’s 4 dang sure.

By bj in ky

September 26, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Duh — This scares me, but I agree with you totally on government inefficiency and believe that private enterprise delivers the best for the buck when properly utilized. Problem is, the mantra remains “Follow the Money.” Skip the China fiasco for the moment, and take a look at the auto industry. If the government had not placed protective tariffs on Toyota, Nissan, Honda — the list goes on — the U.S. auto industry would have folded long ago. We just can’t maintain our standard of living without some government help. There’s a plant in Greenville, Miss., in which a woman worked for three different companies. When one cut and ran to the Pacific Rim, she’d sign on with the next at a lower wage and fewer benefits. IMHO, NAFTA has exacerbated the problem, as have Americans who prefer to buy cheap crap at Wal-Mart — which once billed itself as champion of American-made products. We own two Ford trucks, BTW. Without intelligent government oversight, which may well be an oxymoron, our way of life would be gone rather than severely compromised. Show me a leader who won’t fill his pockets with all the loose change his connections bring him, I’ll help you carry him to the White House and then buy you a beer and myself a Diet Coke. Ain’t gonna happen, my friend, so the best we can hope for is someone who is not too corrupt, not too greedy and not too wrapped up in his Hubris to look out for this country. Find me a person who’ll look out for our schools and give them the priority and a fraction of the money spent in the Middle East. We’re rotting from the inside out, and it’s about time we locate someone somewhere who’ll work as hard to ‘liberate’ the U.S. as we’ve done in Iraq. The Dems don’t have one, and neither can one be found in the GOP front-runners.

Shawny — Huckabee looks pretty good when compared to the rest of the bunch on both sides. He’s a conservative who appears to believe people have a right to make their own choices for themselves, which is about all we Dems can hope for. I’m hoping Gore decides to jump in and informs the debate between Clinton and Obama, neither of whom has one iota of credibility.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

{{What we can’t have is a debate where you have one side which tries to protect the consumer/citizen and the other side which tries to protect profits so that in the end some sensible balance is made between regulation and the interests of business. No you can’t have that b/c it makes too much sense and it isn’t ideological.}}

Nut Job @ 11:47 — once again, you’re just making too much right-wingnut “sense”… thank you for your daily “enlightenment” of us free-thinking libruls here!

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

{{But unlike The Donald, the neo-cons consider their “philosophy” more important than results.}}

You hit it, AmVet! Americans would not be turning away from the Repug Party so much if they weren’t controlled by such “Neo-Con-Newt” thinking!

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

headcase,

No stupid, this democracy was not intended for career politicians. It was intended to serve and go back to their real jobs. It is broken and one day you will wake up and see this reality.

I know you are slow so I will give you some time.

AmVet,

Trump has been saying that for months about Condi. She accomplished nothing like w.

There is no diplomacy.

By Osama Bin Laden

September 26, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

What is the mission of Blackwater in Iraq? What if they follow us home? What is their command strucute? Who do they hold allegience to? Are they united? Can they form up and attack together anywhere, anytime?

Blackwater. Find out, people. It’s far far more important than 911 ever was. Hell, it’s more important than 411 or 711, not that I dont enjoy a good chew on some beef jerky….all I’m sayin’

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I completely concur about this mass turning away from the GOP.

But obviously their “leadership” does not, and therefore they continue unabated with their hubris.

They are the very definition of ideologues and their lack of courage will NEVER let them admit that they have failed their party and the nation.

Only the Hagels and a tiny few others do.

It is almost certainly going to be left up to a new generation of Republicans to do that.

And in the meantime the country endures more of the madness.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

{{There is no diplomacy.}}

Getalife— do you believe W’s speech at the U.N. yesterday would have been better if he had even attempted to lay the groundwork for diplomacy in Iraq? Or if he had asked for help from the other countries in the Middle East??? Instead, he states that Americans are “outraged” about Burma — WHA’???

By John

September 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Another sign of limited intelligence at the AJC. All of Giuliani’s critics remember is 9/11 and make light of it. Let me enlighten the illiterate critics of Rudy. What you either don’t know or want to understand is Giuliani made New York the safest city in the country while working at the US Attorney’s Office and later as mayor. It sick that the some politicians, people and press of Atlanta are proud to now have the honor as one of the most dangerous cities to live in. Try to look at yourself before criticizing others.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I believe the best thing he and cheney could do is resign in disgrace.

I have not heard one American talk about Burma.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Vick won’t do any time for abusing and killing canines as it stands right now because he isn’t charged anywhere with abusing and killing canines even if he should be.

Test for the clueless class,

After twenty or so definitions of fascism that all support my contention, who was it that just this weekend said that sometimes you just had to take this country to war without consulting the UN or Congress?

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

AmVet, Greetings! I have a friend who just returned from an internship with an organization in inner-city Los Angeles, working with gang members, counseling, etc.

BUT, she told me that she had the opportunity to hear Connie Rice (who is a second cousin of Condi’s) speak a couple of times, and she is really involved in making real postitive things happen in LA.

Here’s a couple of things about her:

Advancement Project - Los Angeles

These are GOOD!

Connie Rice Top 10 Lists Constance “Connie” Rice, a regular commentator featured on The Tavis Smiley Show, is a Los Angeles-based attorney and board member with the Public Policy Institute of California and member station KPCC. She’s also co-director of the non-profit Advancement Project LA, a policy and legal action group focused on equality and access for Californians

Too bad we couldn’t get that particular Rice for Secretary of State-she actually makes things happen.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

John,

He us running on 9/11. He asked for $9.11 donations.

He put the command center in a tower that already was bombed.

The firefighters hate him. His kids hate him.

I think he is another w.

We do not need another w.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Geez RW,

You think she will say that to look tough on terror for the general election?

I do.

By Anonymous

September 26, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Getting the troops killed for no reason isn’t “showing support,” Dusty.

The choice is clear: Support the troops OR support the President’s insanity. You can’t do both.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Bosch, many on BOTH sides here like to make things personal, especially by sliming their fellow bloggers and the people they endorse or support.

I do not for once second disagree with Trump’s characterization of Condi as a good woman. And am not surprised in the slightest that a relative of hers is working to make things better.

But IT IS NOT THE WOMAN that interests me. She could walk on water, but if she is useless in her role as Secretary of State, then she is harming the nation.

And the same goes for her boss.

And the nation is all I am concerned with.

By bj in ky

September 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Goldie — If Bush and VP Halliburton haven’t been disgraced by the last seven years, it’s unlikely they will ever call upon themselves to atone for what their administration has done to this country. The so-called war on terrorism exists in large part to keep us so occupied on foreign matters we forget what’s happening inside our borders. The 9/11 attack was spectacular and made for great video. The depths to which this country has sunk under this pair in much harder to fit into a couple of minutes of TV time. My worry is not so much the past, but who’s capable of fixing the Bush-Cheney mess once they leave office. Do you see anyone out there?

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

The Senate voted for Biden’s plan to partition Iraq.

It is non-binding but will help Hunt get the oil with the Kurds.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Uh-Oh - Just to be fair:

Biofuels ‘Emit More Greenhouse Gases than Fossil Fuels’

I want to be fair here - I have heard experts warn that biofuels are not the panacea to the problem. But, in my opinion, this doesn’t mean that there is still not a problem.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

If Condi stops cheney from bombing Iran, I would call that an accomplishment.

Israel has agreed to a Palestian State, so she should make that happen.

Blocking the investigation into Blackwater is pathetic and she should not being this.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Are you yelling at me?

Anyway, I think you are right, I’m sure Condoleeza Rice is a fine woman, a little misguided, and completely useless in her position. It’s hard to be the Secretary of State when your boss has caused our credibility around the world to plummet.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

That is strange. I have seen the emission output from Brazil from sugar cane and it is far less than oil.

Somebody is lying.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Here’s one for you Bush haters. It is pretty darned funny though.

By John

September 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

The command center you are referring to was in neither Tower 1 or 2. It was in building 7 of the WTC complex. If there was a crystal ball that can view the future, things would be much different today.

I was a firefighter in New York and I had no problems with him. I hope you understand that it is difficult to attend the funeral of 343 firefighters, along with the police officers and Port Authority Police who were slaughtered that day. Yes, his children have hard feelings towards him because their parents divorced. I have learned in the past with my dealings with the press to believe no more than 50 percent of what the press reports. The press “enhances” stories in order to obtain ratings which in turn means more revenue.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Getalife, Well, IT’S NOT THE GERMANS!!!

Just kidding. I posted that because I think the article demonstrates that the issue isn’t whether or not there is a problem, the debate is about the solution.

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Following up on Monday night’s Nexus of Terror & Politics report, Keith Olbermann talks with Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) to get more details on the revelation that the Bush Administration used bogus intelligence in order to frighten lawmakers into voting for last August’s expanded FISA bill. Harman says that after much digging she found the classified intelligence document in question and the document clearly stated that the intelligence community did not deem the source to be reliable

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

War News for Wednesday, September 26, 2007

Baghdad:

Other Provinces Here

By Say It Ain't So

September 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

“Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”

“You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn.

When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.

They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

This is exactly what is happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms — just a little at a time.

One should always remember “There is no such thing as a free lunch!” Also, “You can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.

If you see that all of this wonderful government “help” is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America and if you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably call this neocon BS, but God help you when the gate slams shut!

Think about it!

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Sorry about the all caps, Bosch. As you know we are not allowed to use bold or italics here.

I too believe that Condi’s hands are basically tied by the CIC and his policies. And she is one of the more pronounced Bush loyalists going back to their Texas days together in an administration comprised almost entirely of cronies and sycophants.

But can’t ONE of these Bush yes men/women stand up publicly and say, “NO, Mr, President. Fire me if you must, but I believe your policy in regards to this that or the other is wrong and here’s why.”

At least Ronnie had the guts to hire Jim Baker, a political adversary, and Clinton, the courage to hire William Cohen, a retiring Republican Senator, who during his confirmation hearings, said he thought on occasion he might differ with Clinton on specific national security issues.

By be careful what you ask for

September 26, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

The answer to 12:31

[[who was it that just this weekend said that sometimes you just had to take this country to war without consulting the UN or Congress?]]

Hillary Clinton.

Idiot libs — afraid of their own Shadow Party.

Afraid of their own reflection.

Born to be losers.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Yes, RW, I should have been more specific.

{{{With three associates prepared to testify that he brutally executed dogs and bankrolled gambling, the NFL star agreed yesterday to “accept full responsibility” for his role in a dogfighting ring and plead guilty to federal conspiracy charges.}}}

I stand corrected.

My question still stands. I just don’t know and wonder what others think.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

{{My worry is not so much the past, but who’s capable of fixing the Bush-Cheney mess once they leave office. Do you see anyone out there?}}

BJ— good question. But what mess can be “fixed” — are you referring to our occupation of Iraq? We can fix our occupation by leaving, and we can only depend on the Dems to get that done. Are we trying to “fix” the problems with the gov’t in Iraq? Not sure that we Americans can ever do that…

Are we wanting to “fix” our healthcare industry so that Americans will not have to go bankrupt while pursuing their insurance claims? I think only the Dems can be counted on to make changes to that system and it will take lots of time and hard work to get any changes going against the insurance industry…

Take your pick of the Dem candidates if you want to see anything “fixed”, because the Repug candidates are all on the same page and it’s “more of the same”…

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Absolutely hysterical!

The ball Barry Bonds hit for his record-breaking 756th home run will be branded with an asterisk and sent to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Fashion designer Marc Ecko, who bought the ball in an online auction, set up a Web site for fans to vote on the ball’s fate, and Wednesday announced the decision to brand it won out over the other options — sending it to Cooperstown unblemished or launching it into space.

Ecko said he believed the vote to brand the ball showed people thought “this was shrouded in a chapter of baseball history that wasn’t necessarily the clearest it could be.”

By Bill

September 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Ain’t so: I think the gate to your mind has already slammed shut. The only people I know who live strictly according to repititious propaganda are Repugs. They buy the entire package. All things, all the time, with never a diversion. Pitiful. Gaze upon the state of the nation.

By efsr

September 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

[[But IT IS NOT THE WOMAN that interests me.]]

maybe amvet can find HIS g*d in this photo.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Watch the video John

I agree with you about the media, I get informed with the blogs.

Bosch,

Letterman is pimping “sugar is the new oil”.

They are studying it at LSU, geaux Tigers, and it emits much less than oil.

I am pimping it locally because I live in sugarcane country and it is a boon down here.

By Ralph

September 26, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

bj in ky: You’re over Duh Patriot’s head. Everything is over his/her/its head.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Here is what I think Mrs G.

BTW, I do not use sitemonitor to track visitors to my blog like RW.

That is an invasion of privacy and fascism.

By MomCat

September 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

By Right-wing nut job in full glory September 26, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this I’m with Luck. We were better off when there weren’t any damn unions, or child labor laws, or worker safety laws, or laws enforcing a 40 hr. week, or minimum wage laws, or food safety

Nutjob, you are my hero!!!! We don’t need child labor laws! Those little twerts shoulda known better than to be born to “Those Parents” or any other parents that can’t afford health care. What the heck does it matter if Dad or Mom was ‘downsized’ from the company they had worked for the last 20 years. The jerks shoulda known they were on shaky ground! Also, the Good Lord knows health care shouldn’t come from the Gov’mint! If you’re ‘livin rite’ you’ll be taken care of!!!

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

It’ll be pretty easy to “fix” the “mess” because if the nominee of the Democrat Party gets elected the media will tout all the things they claim are horribly out of control right now as fantastical successes beginning on January 21, 2009.

Mrs. G,

You can add testing positive for marijuana use to the list of Vick woes. Your question is interesting, but it’s really WAY out there on the apples/oranges chart.

By RE

September 26, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

In reference to the article on biofuel emmisions, i think there is a confusion in terms, the german article refers to greenhouse gas emmisions, specifically nitric oxide. While there may be a lower net CO2 emmision, total greenhouse gas emmision may be increased, not really sure. I am not sure if they included the differentiaition between atmospheric and sequestered Nitric oxide emmsion and CO2 emmision.

Not lying, just a difference in terms.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Could it be RW that you are are the orange and I am the apple?

I don’t see it as way out there.

But then, I have never been accused of thinking inside the box.

Nevermind.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

AmVet, Colin Powell and Karen Hughes had the decency to step down. I always respected those two.

Deep down, I wish Powell would write a “tell-all” but he has too much class for that.

I heard that about the baseball on NPR this morning - it made me laugh too.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I don’t even blog on my blog much at all for what it’s worth. If you think IP addresses are fascism now it’s no wonder you are so clueless about fascists like this one.

{{{{{For the small band of reporters who regularly cover Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the dirty little secret is this: They rarely — if ever — get to speak to the candidate herself.}}}}}

{{{{{Clinton, D-N.Y., is running perhaps the most media-controlled — and media-obsessed — campaign in presidential history. Her aides carefully screen access to the candidate, generally avoid news conferences on the campaign trail and have been known to throw around the Clintons’ considerable weight to block negative stories and influence coverage of the candidate they’re protecting and promoting.-ABC News}}}}}

By Doomsday: Friday Oct 5, 2007

September 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Doom is here.

I agree that Rudy relies too much on 9/11. What mayor in america wouldn’t have responded the same way?

Doom

By Can't Resist

September 26, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Sounds like her critics are right.

Senator Clinton is Bush Lite.

The dems will vote for her if she gets the nomination.

Will the Bush lite behavior make her an attractive candidate to some Bushbots?

By mm

September 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

RW @ 2:18,

That sounds eerily similar to GWB

By Doomsday:Friday Oct 5, 2007

September 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

On Friday October 5,2007,

Doom will “nominate” the top blogger on Luckovich’s blog for 2007. I will also “nominate” the top idiot for 2007.

Shut up getalife.

Doom

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

g*d? How oddly funny.

Is it now blasphemy to actually write out the word?!

It reminds of one of the many great scenes in “Monty Python and The Holy Grail” where g*d reveals himself to King Arthur and the other knights (as a cartoonish looking old man with a long white beard looking down from a hole in the clouds!) and they all start hemming and hawing and staring at the ground.

God: What are you doing now?

King Arthur: Averting our eyes, oh Lord.

God: Well, don’t! It’s just like those miserable psalms, always so depressing. Now knock it off!

God: Every time I try to talk to someone it’s “sorry this” and “forgive me that” and “I’m not worthy”…

By getalife

September 26, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

RW,

My whole definition is better than yours.

I do not blog on my blog either thanks to those leaping lizards at the lgf. Nasty bunch of lizards. Bwa.

She is too busy campaigning and winning to talk to the loser media who will twist her words.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

On the one hand you have a guy convicted of aiding in a rape, in a state court, because he married the 19 year old and 14 year old. On the other you have a person that pleaded guilty to Federal dogfighting charges and also faces similar state charges.

How on earth do you equate the two as any rational basis for comparison?

By getalife

September 26, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Hey doomed,

You got two votes so far for idiot of the blog.

GFY (Good for you).

This is a democracy so we should vote don’t ya think?

By mm

September 26, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Doom,

You should nominate yourself for the top idiot. But I don’t think you can beat Duh.

By Don't waste your time RW

September 26, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Vick supporters possess no rational or objective thinking capacity whatsoever. They say that the media is treating Vick unfairly, but if you ask them did the media treat Imus unfairly they go into a state of suspended animation and don’t answer the question. Doom just so happens to possess the same skin color as most of them and even I have given up.

Doom

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

mm,

Actually it sounds like the way you moonbat(ic)s® describe GWB. Very few of your descriptions have any basis in reality.

By Doom is the decider

September 26, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Only Doom has the power to nominate individuals on Doomsday. Its called Doomsday, get it punk?

P.S. There’s only one vote for me unless you’re using multi IDs again.

Doom

By getalife

September 26, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Vick smoking weed.

Legalize it.

I got a presription and going to Cali to buy it legally.

Bwa.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

{{{{By bj in ky September 26, 2007 11:55 AM If the government had not placed protective tariffs on Toyota, Nissan, Honda — the list goes on — the U.S. auto industry would have folded long ago.}}}}

Bj in ky: I wish it were that simple but I have yet to hear an American automaker ask for government tariffs to protect them.

What I have heard them complain about is their legacy costs, pensions and health care, that the Toyotas of the world do not have to pay.

Think about this, GM sells more autos than anyone else in the world and still loses tens of billions every year.

I’ve always bought American. I had a Ford, way back when, and have owned GM ever since. The last ten years I’ve had one head gasket blow and it was covered by the warranty, with no deductible. My current ride is the damn best looking one on the road hands down, you can’t miss it. It has a 100,000 mile drive train warranty, which is unreal. The new style Tahoe and Escalade are beyond sweet.

Even in the most gruesome days of the Chrevolet Citation, GM still had some fine automobiles, the Buick Skylark and Regal were my favs. Name one year model of Cadillac that anyone would not be proud to own.

All this, and they were providing better benefits to their workers than anyone else was. What excuse did anybody really have for buying a foreign car?

It’s called America first.

We should try it.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch, don’t know much about this Karen Hughes. What little I have read is fairly repulsive.

BUT, absolutely there is no question that Powell was and is one of the smartest, most effective military men of our time.

His military record is impeachable and his accomplishments and awards are truly staggering.

And it is too bad this man of courage, intellect, reason and honor was not allowed to override the numerous neo-cons and chickenhawks in this administration.

{Powell came under fire for his role in building the case for the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. In a press statement on February 24, 2001 he had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein. As was the case in the days leading up to the Persian Gulf War, Powell was initially opposed to a forcible overthrow of Hussein, preferring to continue a policy of containment.}

{However, Powell eventually agreed to go along with the Bush administration’s determination to remove Hussein. He had often clashed with others in the administration, who were reportedly planning an Iraq invasion even before the September 11 attacks—an insight supported by testimony by former terrorism czar Richard Clarke in front of the 9/11 Commission. The main concession Powell wanted before he would offer his full support for the Iraq War was the involvement of the international community in the invasion, as opposed to the unilateral approach some of the hawks were advocating. He was also successful in persuading Bush to take the case of Iraq to the United Nations, and in moderating other initiatives. Powell was placed at the forefront of this diplomatic campaign.}

By getalife

September 26, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

OMG, I agree duh.

Looks like you found the right meds.

GFY (Good for you).

By Doom knew that getalife is a crack head

September 26, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the confession idiot.

Now I know why you think the way you do. Typical liberal: drug,drugs,drugs. You need to say no to drugs so that you make better decisions for your life. Doom can recommend a good rehab program if you need one. Stop sucking c@ck for drug money and enter a program now!

Doom

By georgia 74

September 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Hillary 08’

By RE

September 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

1983 Caddilac cimmeron.

Aside from that, I agree.

Interesting note, the most succesful automakers currently are Japan, Germany, and South Korea. All have some type of govt mandated health care.

You are correct in saying that the healthcare burden of GM, Ford and Chrsyler drags down production cost with “legacy cost”

Here is a little conundrum, if health care responsibility is shifted from the employer to the government and it in turn makes the company more profitable, would that be beneficial? Where is the conservative line on that, socialized medicine might be more profitable to private industry.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

Continuation-

{{{{We just can’t maintain our standard of living without some government help.}}}}

Jimmy Carter?

I’m not totally against government providing help when it is really necessary, but no matter what, I am against them assuming control of the private industry. Sarbanes Oxley is a massive compliance cost that may have contributed to the recession in 2002- 2003. And this is a matter for the justice department to enforce, not Congress just arbitrarily punishing everyone.

People actually do look for better jobs when there current ones are unrewarding or lacking in compensation. I’m pretty sure it is all voluntary and the old saw about getting what you pay for is still in effect. If an employer is paying 3 bucks an hour he is not going to attract skilled craftsman, nor will he turn a profit with substandard labor.

It’s the workings of the free market at it’s finest.

{{{{Find me a person who’ll look out for our schools and give them the priority and a fraction of the money spent in the Middle East.}}}}

I understand the thought behind your statement but disagree with your suggestion. Throwing more money at something such as education is not going to solve anything, we have already covered them up with tax dollars.

If you want to “fix” the education system, look at what we are teaching our kids and who is teaching our kids. If we rid the system of the agendas and replace it with actual curricula and actual teachers, maybe we’ll get actual students.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

First off, there was no equating.

Nope, none.

Perhaps it escaped your notice, but at the height of the Vick scandal there were discussions on the level of outrage over the animals that were killed or injured versus the level of outrage when other sports figures abused their wives and gal-pals.

Now, Jeffs is no sproting figure, but I wonder what the level of outrage is over his actions?

I wonder what kind of sentences each might be forced to serve.

Kind of a compare and contrast question. Remember those?

Shouldn’t be too tough.

Oh, and I am no Vick supporter.

Neither am I a moonbat.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

I knew that would get you going doomed.

All meds are prescribed loser and why in the world did you vote for w besides being a homophobe who visits the mens room at Hartsfield.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

AmVet, Well, anyone associated early on with Bush is bound to be dispicable, but Karen Hughes was one of Bush’s “yes” women, but I think she saw the kind of man he was becoming, one that she helped create, and decided early on to move back to Texas to “spend more time with her family.” In fact, if I’m not mistaken, she was the first to do that. She has pretty much been out of the spotlight since, not that she was in the spotlight to begin with, but I think she decided to let her conscious win.

Totally agree with you there about Powell. I think he just got mixed up in the bs, saw what was going on, and bowed out. He’s a good military man, but better yet, a man with real class.

By DNC debate should be interesting

September 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Doom will make his final choice for President after tonight’s debate. Whether he will vote democrat or not, and also which candidate he will support.

Just thought you all might want to know.

Doom

By Admit you're an addict getalife

September 26, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

You don’t have to fly to Cali to get all prescriptions punk! You are specifically talking about the one you’re addicted to, the one that needs to be made legal. Its ok. I understand your pain.

How much do you charge for a bl@w job? A dime or a nickel?

Doom

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Oh goodness Mrs. G, Vick has tested positive for marijuana.

My thought on this: So What? I don’t care if the man smokes crack or pot or crab grass for that matter. Why is this in the news?

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Doom, Doom - Why all the hate for getalife? Stop a minute and think of the love of Jesus. That should calm you down.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

It just dawned on me, Sec. Powell’s military record is impeccable, not impeachable!

Now the President’s military record on the other hand…

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I suspect Vick’s pot smoking is making news because it isn’t Iraq and it fills up MSM air time with the kind of crap too many Americans are hungry for!

It’s easy filler.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

AmVet, W’s military record, like his brain, is missing in action.

By Do not mock the name of Jesus

September 26, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You are part of my Legion, therefore I’ll be nice: I take a comment about Jesus from a nonbeliever as sarcasm. If Doom felt you were serious then I would address it, so therefore I’ll simply point out that getalife has routinely attacked Doom unprovoked. I will not rest until he is off this blog which will be very soon.

Doom

By getalife

September 26, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Very true Mrs. G.

doomed,

You will not take away my freedom of speech and I suggest you cut and run before I unleash my fury upon thee.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

First off you are most definitely a moombat(ic)® just as I’m a Wingnut.

I still don’t understand how the two things can boil down to who serves more time. Different crimes carry different potential penalties and I would likely agree with you that the possible penalties don’t always match the crime.

Let’s try this. If the 14 year old had been at a party and willingly gave the 19 year old a Lewinsky would you be demanding he be put away for rape or would you be calling it consensual?

Doom,

I watched the ESPN townhall meeting about Vick and you’re right about the blind support of some people. It’s pretty absurd to say he was convicted by the press when he had one of the very best lawyers in the country who would have loved to have gone into court with the argument that Vick couldn’t get a fair trial due to the unfair publicity.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G, You are right, but I wish the networks would fill up air time with the names of dead soldiers and Iraqi citizens than the drug escapades of some punk footballer.

But you are right on, a majority of Americans are ADD and could care less about politics, this war, the economy, you know, the things that affect their lives.

By I have already made my plans getalife

September 26, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Doom has friends that work at the AJC in the office that supervises these blogs. Next week I will make the necessary calls and time your departure with Doomsday! Hahahahah!

Doom

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Doom, I am NOT mocking the name of Jesus. I do not do that - I have always attested that Jesus was a great guy.

Okay, I’ll stay out of your and getalife’s feud. As a Christian though, sometimes I feel it is my duty to try and make peace.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

{{God: Well, don’t! It’s just like those miserable psalms, always so depressing. Now knock it off!}}

Oh, AmVet— I always love a man who can quote from “The Holy Grail”! Almost as much as a man wearing a tool-belt!

“Now knock it off!”

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

From One Bunker To Another: Dick Cheney To Address ‘Super-Secret, Conservative Policy Group’

HOLY CRAP! Look at this bunch!

THIS CANNOT BE GOOD.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

RW, Again, I think that is an example of people wanting others to think for them. Blind support is everywhere.

A Townhall meeting at ESPN? That sounds like an oxymoron doesn’t it.

By Bosch is a Christian

September 26, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Ok fine. Just remember, he is more than just a great guy. You might try using a term to describe him that is used in the book that was written about him: Lord.

Doom

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 3:22 — I’m with you about “who cares” about Vick testing positive for pot… but I believe the news is because of the conditions the court set for his bond (bail?), that he would have to have no illegal substances or activities going on during his time at home before sentencing.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Also Bosch, I meant to mention in my previous post ^^^ that I’m sick of Vick, sick of OJ, and sick of our prez — I would be happy if I didn’t have to see any of their faces on TV anymore!

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Okay, Doom, Got it.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

{{Let’s try this. If the 14 year old had been at a party and willingly gave the 19 year old a Lewinsky would you be demanding he be put away for rape or would you be calling it consensual?}}

RW— I would not call it rape if the 14-year-old says she did it “willingly” and testified so… but of course, that has nothing to do with Warren Jeffs’ conviction, where he had a 14-year-old begging him not to force her to marry her own cousin.

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Goldie, Me too. I’m sick of all those plus Paris Hilton and her gang of slutty drug addict friends. I saw yesterday a story in the AJC about Britney Spears shopping in ATL. It made me want to throw up.

I’m out of here for today all!

Good evening!

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’m not sure that’s the right description of the ESPN event, but it was the closest I could come up with. It was supposed to be a panel discussion with a moderator, but they did it in front of a live audience and took questions and commentary from the audience. It was pretty strange.

The panel was Terrance Mathis, Neal Boortz, Terrance Moore, some women from the New York Times, and Chuck James moderated by Bob Ley.

I don’t think they ever said the woman was a sports writer and her graphic always just said NYT. She spoke more like a feature/lifestyle writer so she and Boortz seemed pretty out of place.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

I see that you don’t get it. Don’t worry. That’s ok.

As for your scenario…. if it was willing, then it would be consensual. I would not demand he be put away for rape.

If he were my son there’d be hell to pay for messing with the little girl.

If it were my daughter I’d see that she spent some serious time (as in years)with the BVM’s, or the Dominicans, behind a great big fence. Tested regularly. Wearing something itchy.

Let me try it another way for you.

Does it bother you that some men seem to be able to rough up women without as much fanfare as Vick got for messing with the dogs?

By Bosch

September 26, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

RW, Well, sounds like a town hall meeting to me. A lifestyle writer as one of the moderators. Classic.

Seriously, out for now! Have a good one!

By Bill

September 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Duh. One who has a brain buys QUALITY items, stupid. That’s something the US lost long, long ago. Only some basic freak like you would find an Escalade to be “sweet.” It obviously takes little to please retards like you. Buy American? That’s an old saying which I’d shove up yer … real quick. Forever will you vainly search for your manhood - in a truck! God, I love it! Get them gangsta duds on, shave yore haid, put on yer ball cap, be a real man! Goo-ooly gee. Damned hayseed.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Yes it does and I’m pretty sure if you find a celebrity running a woman fighting club complete with gambling on them and then torturing and killing the underperforming women, you’ll see a level of outrage that would make the Vick/dogfighting coverage look like it had been completely ignored.

At least you’re finally talking about something remotely comparable.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

RW,

I see it as the light bulb finally going on over your head.

Vive la Difference!

By getalife

September 26, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Thomas Jefferson:

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it”

Um, I say abolish it and start over.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

By the way, “consensual” in this discussion is a legal term and no matter how willing someone is they can’t consent until they reach the legal age of consent. So “willing” doesn’t make something “consensual.”

By RE

September 26, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

RW,

Sounds like next seasons new reality show

By IN THE NEWS

September 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

This is really worth the read.

Dan Rather’s Magnum Opus

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bill September 26, 2007 4:18 PM Duh. One who has a brain buys QUALITY items, stupid. That’s something the US lost long, long ago. Only some basic freak like you would find an Escalade to be “sweet.”}}}}

Billie: Let me guess, you own a Pruis, right?

You little metrosexual, you.

Like I didn’t expect this to happen, posting about the merits of American automobiles on a blog full of sissy as-s haters of the United States and their inevitable koward squealing about how great foreign cars are.

BMW, no backseat. Like I would ever pay 70,000 grand for a two seater with the same options found in any Cadillac, a Caddy with actual legroom. Duh.

Toyota, Nissan, and all the other exact duplicates of junk engineered for little short people; Ever thought of stabilitrac y’all? I thoroughly enjoyed that loose feeling of no control, it adds much excitement to the ride.

Ever try getting parts for a rice burner?

Mercedes, Lexus and all the other exact duplicates of a “luxury car.” No complaints here, but what sort of vain idiot would pay 100 G’s for a nameplate? Is this so you can cruise up to the 4500 square foot house that you can’t afford to make payments on cause the ARM went up threefold, and as usual you whine to the government about?

What happened to feeding the poor with all your extra cash, pinko?

Is that just a slogan you hurl at Republicans?

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

{{Does it bother you that some men seem to be able to rough up women without as much fanfare as Vick got for messing with the dogs?}}

Mrs. G— it certainly bothers me, but I’m also bothered when the women involved decide not to press charges and the men go free.

And I do remember that a few years ago there was a football player (can’t remember the team — was it Carolina Panthers?) who hired someone to kill his pregnant girlfriend for him. I seem to recall that he is doing some prison time for hiring the hit-man.

But to answer your question, I think there should be some kind of penalty for professional athletes who regularly beat up on women — such illiterate cowards! Suspend them some games at least, to see if they get a message that there are repercussions to those actions.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

RE,

It wouldn’t surprise me.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

{{So “willing” doesn’t make something “consensual.”}}

Agreed, RW — but when both parties involved are teenagers, the law should not be so strict as to treat them as adults, facing statutory rape charges. The law in GA needs to be changed, because everyone who faces reality knows that teenagers do stupid stuff and should not necessarily be treated like criminals for being stupid teenagers!

By RE

September 26, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Socialized medicine to increase american corporate competitiveness.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

{{Sounds like next seasons new reality show}}

RE @ 4:34 — I think Bush is a prime candidate for a TV reality show in ‘09. Wouldn’t that be a perfect show for him, to be on Big Brother 12 or something???

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I have always enjoyed Monty Python movies enormously! I know it’s kinda geeky, especially when my son and I start quoting the countless great lines to each other. But hey, it’s harmless fun!

They are cerebral but easily accessible and they usually have an endless set of brilliant jabs directed at the authority figures and their organizations.

Ironically, it really seems to p!ss off the super sleuth of right-wing regulars here whom you have an endearing mammary referenced name for!

And for those humor-challenged righties I say, “Now go away or I will taunt you a second time!”

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

That was Rae Carruth and I think it was covered pretty much wall to wall as it should have been. It’s a damn shame the jury let him off the capital murder charge.

Baseball always suspends players charged with domestic battery and I think that should be the policy in all sports. (Is that the first thing we’ve ever agreed on?)

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

RW.

Well now you tell us! Changinng the rules after the game is over.

You may be right about you being a wingnut afterall.

Heck, if you wanted legalistic mumbo jumbo, you should have said so up front!

Legalistically speaking then, since at age 14 the girl would not have the right to consensual anything, we’d have to lock the boy up and throw away the key. (I, however, would not agree with a verdict like that)

You are one tricky boy RW!

By RE

September 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t care if Newt ran for pres, but if this guy runs again, I might just vote for him. One of the few making any sense lately

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE September 26, 2007 4:44 PM Andy, Socialized medicine to increase american corporate competitiveness.}}}}

Dude: Maximum income caps for insurance, social security and medicare so that the super rich are not receiving a check every month, whether they need it or not.

You know, the way those programs were intended to be used when they were created.

Bill Klintoon is eligible for and probably receiving a social security check, duh, how hard can this be to figure out?

Take the extra money and insure whoever in the hell you want, you’ll have enough to cover it, duh.

By Robin

September 26, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Duh and Doom are the most pathetic beings on this blog. Don’t you tiny little people ever look into a mirror at your own image?? No? Come to think of it, it would make me sick too. Little would-be men.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Geez Mrs. G,

I thought way back up ^^^ there you started off talking about serving sentences for convictions. It seems to me that was speaking from a legal perspective.

/OK maybe I pulled a little bit of a fast one :-)

Goldie,

The law in Georgia has already been changed and will likely be tweaked more in the next session, but if we’re going to be a country of law we have to operate under the laws as they exist and work to change the bad ones, not just ignore the ones we don’t like.

By RE

September 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

I am talking about shifting the health care burden from the employer to the government, which seems to be working well in Japan, Germany, and South Korea. Cuts out all the legacy costs and provides real security, lotd of folks who were expecting lifetime pension/ heallthcare coverage from private corporations are getting the rug pulled out from them after they retire. The burden then falls to the government anyway.

Healthcare is an anomoly when it comes to market forces, because as opposed to any other product or service, it does not conform to the laws of supply and demand. Health care is always supplied, but not always paid for. The very poor and those folks you despise as living off the government teet will be covered under medicare, medicade, our some other state/ county program including non US citizens. That shortfall in payments is then shifted back to the people who actually pay for insurance in higher premiums or in higher taxes. I own a business, it sucks to insure my family.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

{{(Is that the first thing we’ve ever agreed on?)}}

No, RW— I do believe that we’ve both agreed that we have an arrogant, idiot prez who has always had others clean up the messes he’s created… wasn’t that you, or am I confusing you with some wingnut who had a moment of clarity here on the blog?

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

{{And for those humor-challenged righties I say, “Now go away or I will taunt you a second time!”}}

AmVet— how about the troll at the bridge:

Q: “What is your favorite color?”

A: “Red… no blue!”

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

RE,

If you own a business then you know your insurance is tax deductible which it isn’t for an individual that wants to buy insurance.

Allow everyone to be treated the same under the tax code, rein in the trial lawyers, and open up the insurance industry to competition in the free market and we might get somewhere.

Why are your only choices the employer or the government and why draw the line at health insurance? How about buying everybody a house and car on the “government’s” money?<————Something that doesn’t exist by the way. It’s OUR money.

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

RW @ 5:06 — agreed… we have to work to change antiquated laws that no longer apply in today’s society. Look at how long it took to give civil rights to women and slaves all across America!

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{{No, RW— I do believe that we’ve both agreed that we have an arrogant, idiot prez who has always had others clean up the messes he’s created… wasn’t that you, or am I confusing you with some wingnut who had a moment of clarity here on the blog?}}}}}

I think you said that about this President and I said it about the previous one. Does that count?

By Goldie

September 26, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

RW @ 5:18 — the question is why have “health insurance” at all? Why don’t we have “police insurance” that everyone in America has to buy or else they don’t get any services, or they get bills that makes them go into bankruptcy? Why did we let our healthcare system get taken over by the insurance industry to begin with???

By Patrick

September 26, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

“Buy American,” duh?? Why would I actually choose to buy an inferior product? Choose to purchase something 2nd-rate?? You know nothing about anything and damned sure nothing about cars. Americans don’t make bad cars; they just don’t make good cars. Period. Such a waste of space you and your ilk are. Surge on, idiot, surge on.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

I’ll be damned.

I have always contended that when I misspoke or made a mistake I would man up and admit it. And this is one of those times.

I recently sent a letter protesting the vote against the Webb Amendment to Senator Chambliss.

I said I really doubted if he would reply. I was wrong.

He sent me a five paragraph reply stating his reasons.

I sent him a very short reply back saying though I disagreed with some of them, I nonetheless respectfully appreciated the information and his answers.

Agree with our elected leaders or not, you gotta love our representative democracy and this great nation!

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Oor health care system wasn’t taken over by insurance companies, it was our thinking we were entitled to employer paid health insurance in the beginning. Once employers started providing “free” insurance the creep began.

The creep was that lawyers saw a goldmine in suing doctors for any conceivable mistake. <——-See John Edwards. The doctors and hospitals started giving every imaginable test and/or procedure to keep from getting sued and we didn’t complain because it was “free.” Insurance claims got to the point that the costs skyrocketed and the cost became too much for the employers to pay and people’s copay started rising dramatically. All of this put us where we are today which is on the path to socialized medicine, because rather than fix the real problems we just want our “free” health care back.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

I’ve received a response from every Republican that’s ever represented me when I’ve inquired about something. The only Democrat that’s ever responded to an inquiry of mine is State Senator Curt Thompson and that’s only in cases where he agrees with me. If he’s on the other side he doesn’t respond at all.

Cynthia McKinney never responded to many letters over the years and so far Hank Johnson is 0 for 5.

By Tony

September 26, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. Dustmite hasn’t experienced much in the way of “heroes.” He classifies drunken Bush as a hero, now Giuliani is a hero as well. What has either ever done?

We hear the word “hero” constantly coming forth from these know-nothings, ever since the first Iraqi military summer-camp adventure. Talk about your dumbed down people.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

My Reps. answer every letter I write, which is none.

Like they listen to us, get real.

President Clinton went off on the gop about their fake distraction on Move on.

At least he has spine.

Good for him.

Another spineless day in Congress.

War with Iran is on the table and the House caved on freedom of speech .

w is trying to get NCLB extended, stealing Social Security and will veto health care for children while wasting another 190 billion in Iraq.

By Politics Aside

September 26, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

It’s always 911 when Guilliani’s around. Imagine stepping on all those graves to lift yourself in a political campaign. There is something wrong with that child.

It’s Hillary. She’s weathering the storms. She’s still standing.

Hillary 08.

We’ve got a country to save and a world to convince.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Yes getalife I think they listen when we speak loudly enough. You haven’t seen President Bush signing that amnesty bill have you?

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

The moveon ad still makes me laugh when I think about how Reagan once handled a similar event in his run for the California governorship.

Ronnie was endorsed by the John Birch Society then. You remember them, an odd collection of far right wing nut jobs, conspiracy theorists and McCarthy wannabes. (They once called Eisenhower a willing agent of the Communist Party!)

Reagan said that he welcomed the endorsement of ANY law abiding organization that did not infringe on the rights of others.

He also correctly noted in his diary that their support of him did not mean he supported them.

Like him or not, Ronnie was one smart politician!

And today’s Dems could learn a thing or three about having the political courage to NOT let the other side frame the context of the argument.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

No but if watch Lou Dobbs like I am right now, they are still not enforcing the law. State governments are getting sick of it.

The border patrol picked up three drug smugglers, left his vehicle running while he searched theirs, they stole it and went back to Mexico.

Now, they are digging tunnels. No amnesty but no enforcement of the laws, so you could argue it is putting your head in the sand and ignore it.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Funny how amnesty is the only issue the gop scream about.

I guess they like the direction of our country which is amazing.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Maybe if the New York Times would quit putting out a story a day either saying they should have or should not have run the ad the story could die down. They have another article today saying their public editor is full it.

We do need another politician like Reagan. I think it was during one of his races for Governor when he went to Berkley and was well protested. He said the kids were carrying signs saying “Make Love, Not War” and didn’t look capable of either.

By Dusty

September 26, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Well, getalife,

Even our representatives in Congress can tell a fool a mile off. It is a good thing that you don’t write. You probably close your letters with “geez”.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Uh, RE: Hey, did you notice how the Dow has gained back nearly everything it lost since the last time you told us the world was coming to an end?

Got any more predictions up your sleeve, I want to put some money on the opposite side.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

dusty,

They just have to look in the mirror to see a fool.

BTW, the State of NY is handing out licenses, so you could call that amnesty.

Keep writing those letters.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

We could try rounding up Democrats and holding them in internment camps until the war was over like Roosevelt did with the Japanese, but frankly I find your collective mewling too entertaining to lock you away.

Of course some of you would only read the “intern” part and be all for it.

By RE

September 26, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Sure buddy, here are some stock tips just for you:

Beazer homes, Lennar homes, Centex, Toll Brothers, Hovnanian, and countrywide.

Get’em now before they hit the pink sheets.

By the way, 1983 cadillac cimmeron if you didn’t catch it before.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Do you think that idiot luckovich ever reads his blog? It would be interesting to see what he thought about Luckoduh noticing right out of the box that the scribbler has the clock saying 9:12 when his entire point was claiming it was always on 9:11. Seems like a fairly significant detail considering the message.

By bj in ky

September 26, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Duh @ 3:03 — With all due respect, you’ve fallen into your own trap. As industry won’t get skilled craftsmen for $3 an hour, neither will public education keep many top teachers for wages paid in that thankless profession. Our problem isn’t pouring tax dollars into our schools, it’s the usual ineptness of the bureaucrats who determine the use of that money. I won’t argue ideology with you; it’s a waste of both our times. But we can agree that you get what you pay for, and even the most dedicated teachers eventually find they have to look out for themselves and their families by taking more lucrative jobs.

By AmVet

September 26, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

{We do need another politician like Reagan.)

Although the poster feels HE does, the rest of the nation certainly doesn’t!

Reagan did some things well but overall he was a total train wreck.

And thank goodness this national scourge known as neo-conservatism, as first defined and championed by RR has been completely repudiated and is now in its death throes.

And the worst of its insulting adherents are being marginalized as they should be.

Unless and until this new incompetent GOP can swear off this disease, they are going to be looking squarely in the face of another forty years on the outside looking in.

But I am optimistict that this country is NEVER again going to let this failed ideology be revived.

By getalife

September 26, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

I know, the whining about about Hillary is highly entertaining.

She will be debating tonight and am sure Timmah will ask her about her Iran vote.

People on the left do not realize, you have to talk and vote tough to win the general.

By Luckoduh

September 26, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE September 26, 2007 6:53 PM Sure buddy, here are some stock tips just for you: Beazer homes, Lennar homes, Centex, Toll Brothers, Hovnanian, and countrywide.}}}}

I’ll make sure I avoid them, thanks.

{{{{By the way, 1983 cadillac cimmeron if you didn’t catch it before.}}}}

I did catch it, like I said, GM had some bad ideas but not nearly as bad as the Toyota Tercel.

{{{{By bj in ky September 26, 2007 6:57 PM Duh @ 3:03 — With all due respect, you’ve fallen into your own trap. As industry won’t get skilled craftsmen for $3 an hour, neither will public education keep many top teachers for wages paid in that thankless profession.}}}}

Well, actually, when America was the premiere country in education our teachers were working for chump change, something about dedication, commitment and all that.

They cared about the kids.

You can’t really use the craftsman as an example because the higher quality work calls for more skills and that demands more money.

A skilled craftsman can easily find a better job whereas a teacher can’t.

By RW-(the original)

September 26, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

“the poster????”

GFY Blowhard!