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Fred Thompson

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, September 18, 2007, 09:21 PM

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By Duh stands for Democrat

September 19, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Won’t that be a blessed day?

~~~~~~

The Atlanta Urinal Constitutiton, in cooperation with the Sadr Brigade, is pleased to bring you this blessed message from Mookie, who has taken time off from his busy schedule of blowing up innocent women and children:

{{{{Al-Sadr’s office in Najaf said the government should nullify contracts of all foreign security companies, branding them “criminal and intelligence firms. “This aggression would not have happened had it not been for the presence of the occupiers who brought these companies, most of whose members are criminals and ex-convicts in American and Western prisons,” the cleric said in a statement.-Urinal}}}}

Yes, and let’s replace them with all sorts of Iranians, right AJC?

~~~~~~

Surprise, surprise, Queen Pinko pulls out the race card:

{{{{Racism was also a factor. The flight of Atlanta’s largely white middle class began in the early 1960s, several years after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down segregated schools. White flight accelerated after the city elected its first black mayor, Maynard Jackson, in 1973. By the 1980s, the city’s population was about 67 black and disproportionately poor, with nearly 50,000 of its residents —- one in eight —- living in public housing.-Urinal}}}}

Now I know why Atlanta was such a wreck, it’s Whitey’s fault, why of course, it probably never had nothing to do with misguided liberal government programs that reduced whole people’s into dependency and took away all of their motivation to succeed, no it was the White man that brought all of this down.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 19, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

IF I were going to vote republican this year, and IF I wanted to vote for a TV personality it sure wouldn’t be Fred Thompson.

I’s throw my support behind Fred Flinstone!

Now here’s a real family man. Married once. Devoted to his lovely wife and charming daughter.

He’s a regular guy. Working class man. Get’s up early, working hard in the quarry every day.

He even lets his pet ride in the car, not ON the car.

He has important friends in the Hollyrock crowd - like Stoney Curtis and Ann-Margrock - leading the charge on the left coast.

Flinstone ‘08.

If you are going to vote for cartoon Fred, pick a good one!

By @@

September 19, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

O.K. ml, I haven’t ruled Thompson out but if I were his campaign manager I’d toss the speeches and let Fred’s “natural” appeal come through.

On another note, how in the heck can the liberals find a way to blame this on Bush?

Union Fund Embezzlements ‘Epidemic,’ Analyst Says

“There is rampant corruption — it’s persistent,” Boehm said. “It’s largely embezzlement, but it is no longer limited to what they call the ‘historically corrupt’ unions — Teamsters, Laborers, and so forth. One of the biggest corruption cases involved the teachers union in Washington, D.C., with close to $5 million embezzled.”

Indeed, misuse of union pension funds is being conducted on an increasingly grand scale. Boehm pointed out that in one West Coast case, union officials embezzled $200 million from a pension fund.

“The biggest tragedy of all is that Congress recently cut back the amount of funds being used to investigate corruption, presumably for political reasons,” he added.

“George Bush’s Labor Department protects worker’s rights the way George Orwell’s Ministry of Truth portrayed propaganda,” she said. “This is an administration that attacks working people, and it attacks them through the unions and this what the Labor Department is doing.”

Unbelievable!!!!!!!

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Respect and Revere Holy Islam.

Have you hummed a hymn with a Imam today?

Have you hugged a mullah today?

Celebrate our diversity. Join together our human bond. Observe God.

The cartoon today was okay. The Fred Flinstone bit was fun to read. Thompson isn’t electable, is he? He would have to show some speaking or debating ability far beyond his acting chops, and so far……he’s no Bonzo.

By Last week we were having PROGRESS in Iraq

September 19, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

NOW…..U.S. Suspends ‘Land Travel’ Outside The Green Zone For Civilian And Diplomatic Officials

By the stopper

September 19, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

“Union Fund Embezzlements ‘Epidemic,’ Analyst Says”

That “Analyst” is a paid hack from the National Legal and Policy Center. And your story is from Cracker News Service.

This all you got? Pathetic.

By Source Watch

September 19, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

a bit about @@’s source…..

and it’s founder Brent Bozell

Just so you know…..

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Sad toon today. It is promising, though, to see a caricature taking the presidential oath that is not Hillary.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Travis Smiley Debates: If wooten has his ear to the ground, then he should hear the rumblings of social revolution as the corporate puppets string voters along proving the left’s knottiest claims about the isolated ruling class.

By Olyv e Oyle

September 19, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

More whine from Shawny. Is that all you know?

By Paul

September 19, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Fire Sale 8:32

ThinkProgress misleads again. They make an assertion (Bush Administration Flooding Iraqi Black Market with Billions of Dollars in Weapons) and then wander off into several different stories.

Let’s see. The headline asserts there’s a conscious, directed effort by the Bush Administration to “flood” a “black market.” It’s like saying the Administration is “flooding the American black market with unregistered, illegal weapons.” Sound a bit off?

Then it goes on to describe a foreign military sales contract. That’s flooding a black market? Or is the assertion the arms could find their way to a black market? Evidence of a future likelihood (past performance does not guarantee future results…).

Then it references past lack of accountability of equipment during a war. Really? Didn’t we just have a discussion about US troops who lost track of their own equipment? And the outrage expressed when the gov’t wanted to hold them accountable?

Then a comment on a decision to arm militias.

So, how exactly is the Bush Administration directing an effort to flood a black market?

Which is why ThinkProgress gets paid by advertisers - and can’t sell its “analysis” to people or institutions who rely on such information to make US policy.

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Sad toon today. It is promising, though, to see a caricature taking the presidential oath that is not Hillary.

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Sad toon today. It is promising, though, to see a caricature taking the presidential oath that is not Hillary.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Moveon.org has just recommended a new general for the Iraq War…….Barrabus!

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

Apparently it is all I know, and that I can’t post with this crappy website hanging up.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

C’mon Mr. Luckovich - you’ve already done this with the current Pres. At least you didn’t do the “ear” thing with Thompson.

Fred Thompson (read: Republican) is stupid. Dual undergraduate degrees: philosophy and history. Law degree from Vanderbilt. Special Counsel to the Senate Intel Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee. Advised Sen Baker during Watergate hearings. Couple terms as a US Senator.

That’s a dummy?

@@

Well, just based on comparing credentials, maybe it should have been Hillary in the ‘toon. With MoveOn in the background?

And no, from what I’ve seen, I’m not a Thompson supporter.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

What do Islamists want from us? We crucified Christ for them…..

What more can we do? I mean, if that’s not good enough, then I dont know what is……nuke iran, comeon, it’s what we’re all thinking.

It’s like OJ. The whole world was just waiting 4 this guy to screw up, and now we can get him. (in spite of the oj luck! Main witness has heart attack? There cant be a god.)

Well, Iran has only to look dirty at the UN and we’ll have the right to nuke them. Just like OJ!

By Midori

September 19, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ll take one Think Progress over thousands of your NewsMax’s, Town Halls, or Weekly Standards.

By Bang Bang

September 19, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Black-Market Weapon Prices Surge in Iraq Chaos

By the stopper

September 19, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Paul gave us:

“ThinkProgress misleads again.”

Aww. Wotta shame. Hey, here’s an idea…Well, why don’t you go over there and post something to counter this “misleading” stuff?

y’see, ThinkProgress, unlike virtually every conservo-fascist online-pundit forum, actually allows comments. Even from knuckle-dragging RWers, who show up every day and embarrass themselves.

By And the TRUTH shall get your butt kicked

September 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Iraqi Report Says Blackwater Guards Fired First

By Paul

September 19, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Midori 9:06

Uh, I don’t have any “NewsMax’s, Town Halls, or Weekly Standards.”

Point was, my impression is ThinkProgress sacrifices what may be a legitimate story on the altar of another weak slam against the Bush Administration. If they’d have written “Bush Administration going ahead with huge arms sales to Iraqi government in spite of weak controls and risk of diversions” they could have advanced the story. I’m just not sure any of their staffers are capable (or desirous) of researching and writing such a piece.

Stopper 9:12

(Yawn). Attack the messenger. Never, ever refute an idea or advance a new one. Such tactics and lack of discussion are why I don’t comment on such sites - ultraleft or ultraright.

You’re learned well.

By Ze Impressionist Movement

September 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

””“”my impression is ThinkProgress sacrifices what may be a legitimate story on the altar of another weak slam against the Bush Administration. “”“”“

Vell, it eez my impressione that you may be incapable to recognize a legitamate news story.

Zee evidence?

You still zupport zee Bush Administration.

(posted with a very bad french accent)

air revore

By Getting my kids "de-bunk" beds

September 19, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Pentagon, State Department Debunk Bush Fabrications on Iran

By steve-o

September 19, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

{{{{Surprise, surprise, Queen Pinko pulls out the race card:}}}

Duh,

You idiot. That’s not playing the race card, that’s stating fact. You’re just to much of a sally to face up to it.

An example of playing the race card is OJ Simpson’s murder trial, Lee Atwater’s Southern Strategy and use of the Willy Horton ad, Nifong and the Duke case, etc.

But “white flight” in the 70s and 80s was a cold hard truth that is fortunately starting to reverse itself.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Maybe, just maybe, if Fred Thompson can come across as a Fred McMurray, (lovablly, bumblingly competent, then he can win.

He answered perfectly if that’s the act he’s selling.

He’s approaching the polls as if he were Jack Benny doing standup. The persona rules all the topical spin.

We ARE just dumb enough……..it…….could…..WORK!

By Paul

September 19, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Ze Impressionist

Manet just rolled over in his grave.

I did recognize a legit story - or did you post before my 9:23 appeared? I believe ThinkProgress did not advance the story in a meaningful way - they wandered about with a series of thinly-related stories.

And I “support” the Bush Administration, how? I suppose one would have to define “support.” For example, if the Bush Administration is in favor of continuing the Food Stamp Program and emissions standards for automobiles, and you do also, does that mean you support the Bush Administration?

By Steve-o is racist

September 19, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

In other words, Steve, its only race card playing when white people do it, right?

Doom

By Steve-o is racist

September 19, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

what about “black flight” in the 90s and 00s?

Doom

By Paul

September 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

[[By Getting my kids “de-bunk” beds September 19, 2007 9:36 AM Pentagon, State Department Debunk Bush Fabrications on Iran]]

“using the Quds Force to turn Shi’ite militias into a “Hezbollah-like force” does not “contradict” “the Quds Force, an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, had in essence left Iraq.”

Using an entity to turn another entity into a certain style of unit is a //training// mission. When the mission’s over, the trainers leave.

Jimminy, Alternet must have the same writers as ThinkProgress. Or, more likely, MoveOn.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Who could we pick to crucify to satisfy Osama Bin Laden? Okay, christ is taken, if only there was a second coming then we’d at least have a chance…..

No, somebody really good….is mother therasa available…….DAMN!……..Billy Graham? Nah, just another corporate collar. We cant rush into this… these things must handled delicately.

(oz)

By Blacks flew to the suburbs for the same reason

September 19, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Doom is going to leave this blog now. I must go and prepare myself for Obama’s speech at the Georgia World Congress Center. I will fill all of you in upon my return.

Doom

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

WARNING: The following toon is graphic in nature and should only be viewed by individuals with strong intestinal fortitude (it may make you naseuous).

By Dancing with the DIM stars

September 19, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Some folks need a definition of supporting the Bush administration?

Some folks should read their own posts over the last few months.

Some folks just can’t accept what Americans in the majority want.

Some folks should just be honest and admit to be a Bushbot.

Jiminy, some folks must still be drinking the Kool Aid. They think that drinking it out of the coffee cup hides it.

By Shawny

September 19, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Here is a good one about Fred’s shortcomings.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

This is why many are attracted to Obama and are tired of the ‘leadership’ epitomized by Rev. Jackson.

Link: Jackson criticizes Obama

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Dancing with DIM stars

and some take shots at me for using so many words and saying so little of substance…

When some accuse others of “support” it’s reasonable to ask the accusers what they mean by the term. Usually it’s narrowly constructed to Iraq. Rather myopic.

Shawny 10:02

Actually, it sounds like he’ll continue to fit right in in Washington -

By All the evil they could possibly want right here....

September 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

These people must be dangerous

By Goldie

September 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

OMG, Lucko— this would be a nightmare scenario for America, Freddie getting sworn in for ‘09… thank God the American voters are too smart for that! There’s no way that the voters will elect another know-nothing, war-mongering empty suit for the White House!

But Lucko’s caricature of Freddie is spot on!

By Dusty

September 19, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Thank you for your sensible “corrections” on the propaganda presented here so often.

Fred Thompson is a marginal candidate for me. He’s too casual about the whole thing. I get the impression that it is sorta like a golf game he would like to win if he feels like it.

I am truly impressed with Gates every time I see him. Unfortunately, he does not seem to be in the picture of Republican candidates. I really wish he could be “pulled” forward. We are going to need someone very strong as the next President. I see Gates as the kind of person we need.

By Ain't it funny when...

September 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

the neocons and bushbots hide their loaded boxing gloves under pretty white gloves?

Like they never attack.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

General Wesley Clark is now on the Diane Rehm show (NPR - can listen over Internet) discussing Iraq and private “military” contractors.

Link: Gen Clark’s interview

Dusty

You’re welcome. I’m continually amazed at what passes for “real information” to form the basis of a discussion.

Ditto Thompson. I like some of the things I hear from Gates - as far as “strong” - the Dem candidates attempts to show “I’m tougher” seems a pretty muddled effort to me. Especially (witness Hillary’s latest dodges) when asked to defend a serving 4-star and denounce a campaign money machine.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Is it over for Sharapova?

By getalife

September 19, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Lazy fred is a moron like his only supporter duh.

He does know the issues, like drilling in the everglades for oil in Florida.

Rudy will be the gop candidate backed by where Paul gets his information faux opinion and BO.

Rudy is liberal.

Geez.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Dusty

This is one of the more momentous stories we’ve seen. Finally. This is long, long overdue. We’ve had past efforts but they’ve been rather disjointed and ad hoc. This could easily be as critical to future warfare as the remote sensors now being employed. Indeed, done correctly - use of such a force could avert traditional military action.

Link: Air Force activates provisional Cyber Command

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Polly Prepuce,

It’ll nevah be ova for Sharapova.

Dusty,

One of Thompson’s biggest strengths to me is that he fully understands that Iraq is only a part of the war against Islamofascist Jihad and abandoning the Iraqis is not an option. Rudy is the same way on that issue and whichever one of them adds the FairTax to their agenda will go a long way toward gaining my support.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Good morning - Yes, what a nightmare scenario for American if Fred wins -

Mrs. G - you are my hero - you are hilarious.

I want Sam Nunn to run. I don’t agree with all his decisions, but I like the guy and I want him to run - I could vote for him.

RW, If you are here today, this is a response to your last post from yesterday -

Have you ever seen the “polls” they have on CNN during the Lou Dobbs hate fest around 6:00 or so? Those polls are so absolutely absurd, they are almost comical. They word them so that if you dared voted against the question you would look like a sociopath. They ask questions like (and I’m exagerrating here):

Do you believe that middle class people deserve a normal and happy life?

Their questions are completely ridiculous.

Okay, I’m covered up today, I’ll check back later! Happy morning!

By getalife

September 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Iran has drawn up plans to bomb Israel if attacked.

Cold war rhetoric but very dangerous for Israel.

Should tone down the warmongering and blaming Iran for w’s Iraq disaster.

Malarki has banned private security contractors. This will help get our troops out of that hell hole.

By David

September 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

It is typical that are country’s executive office is run by bubble-gum politicians.

By Short Story or Story Shorted?

September 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Fred Thompson “tells his life story on the campaign trail in about a half-hour and a dozen or so roles: farmworkers’ son, graveyard-shift factory worker, teenage dad, prosecutor, Watergate Republican counsel, accidental actor, U.S. senator,” the Miami Herald reports.

“Invariably missing: lobbyist.”

“Asked why he omits public mention of his long and lucrative career, Thompson chuckled: ‘Nobody asked me the question.’”

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Well, well, well. In response to a caller’s question (“I’m concerned about the Bush Administration’s assertions about Iran - it’s more of the same) Gen Clark said Iran’s our biggest problem, it didn’t originate in the VP’s office, our European allies and Middle East allies tell us the same thing, and we can’t live with a nuclear Iran.

I can’t wait to see those clips on MoveOn and ThinkProgress!!!

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Yep, it’s just racism to bring up this poor innocent black man that was supposed to be in prison for life with no possibility of parole. To admit otherwise would be to face facts and that isn’t something the steve-0s of the world are willing to do.

{{{{{On October 26, 1974, Willie Horton and two accomplices robbed a gas station attendant in Lawerance, MA, and stabbed him nineteen times, and left him to bleed to death in a trash can. Horton was sentenced to life in prison.

Then governor Michael Dukakis, and his lieutenant governor, John Kerry, supported the Prison Furlough Program that allowed convicted criminals, including violent criminals and murderers, to be released for a period of 48 hours, unsupervised, on the honor system. Willie Horton was released onto the streets under this program on June 6, 1986. Horton never returned to the Concord Correctional Facility.

Less than year later, on April 3, 1987, Horton was in Oxon Hill, Maryland, where he attacked 28-year-old Clifford Barnes, stabbing him 22 times. When Barnes’ fiance Angela Miller returned, she was gagged and raped twice by Horton. 6 months later on October 20, Horton was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences plus 85 years. The Maryland court system would not send Horton back to Massachusetts, out of the fear his being furloughed back onto the streets.}}}}}

By the way, Dukakis refused to even meet with Cliff and Angela afterward.

By Duh stands for Democrats

September 19, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Hillary Care!:

The wait to see dentists is so long that some Brits pull their own teeth. Dental tools: pliers and vodka.

Geezus.

{{{{“People line up for care; some of them die. That’s what happens,” Canadian doctor David Gratzer, author of The Cure, told “20/20”. Gratzer thought the Canadian system was great until he started treating patients. “The more time I spent in the Canadian system, the more I came across people waiting. … You want to see your neurologist because of your stress headache? No problem! You just have to wait six months. You want an MRI? No problem! Free as the air! You just gotta wait six months.”}}}}

Duh.

By steve-o

September 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Doom,

Why don’t you re-read my 9:37 post. I gave the examples of the OJ case and the Duke case.

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Power tennis beats glamor tennis everytime. I cant believe how tough Henin got. Sharapova has plateaued without a strong serve. She needs a new coach, as the old one has had long enough to fix her serve.

By Dusty

September 19, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 10:28

I read your link on Cyber Command and truthfully, I don’t know what they are talking about. Cyber=computers. Airforce=planes. ???? I thought we were already all connected with computers and the Air Force could be alerted at any time to protect the country or whatever. Obviously, this is something different??? But what?

RW@10:28

Your point about Thompson and his view of the Iraqi War is certainly encouraging. I may find him more interesting as time goes on. Glad you reminded me of his strong points.

By getalife

September 19, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

The wingnuts will be more scared now that Christians were bombed in Lebanon. The lgf lizards will be foaming at the mouth.

Geez.

Lara Logan looks at “success” in Afghanistan

She is hot.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Headlines from the foreign press just keep on coming.

Link: Dozens of Iranian and Syrian engineers and military officers killed during chemical weapons test

Those are chemical weapons. Such as sarin nerve agent. Being mounted on a missile.

Soooo, do we reiterate our strategic doctrine (dating back to the Cold War) wherein ANY use of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons against the US merits a full nuclear response?

By the stopper

September 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

RW gave us: “Yep, it’s just racism “

Not “just” racism, but Lee Atwater himself acknowledged this much:

“In 1988, fighting Dukakis, I said that I ‘would strip the bark off the little b*******’ and ‘make Willie Horton his [Dukakis’] running mate,’” Atwater said. “I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not. Mostly I am sorry for the way I thought of other people. Like a good general, I had treated everyone who wasn’t with me as against me.”

Lee was coping with terminal cancer at the time of this enlightenment. What’s it going to take to get the likes of you to wise up?

By Paul

September 19, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Dusty

I believe this has to do with protecting America’s computer-related infrastructure from virus-like attacks from our enemies. On the flip side, I would also hope we’d also pursue an offensive capability to cripple our enemies’ computer systems, military, banking, energy, etc. grids.

By Let's support the troops shall we?

September 19, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Webb Slams McCain’s Opposition To His Pro-Troop Amendment: He ‘Needs To Read The Constitution’

{{{{Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), an adamant opponent of Webb’s pro-troop amendment, urged Congress to reject the measure:

The Constitution of the United States gives no authority for the Congress of the United States to set lengths of tour or lengths of duty in the military and I hope we will steadfastly reject this kind of micromanagement, which would create chaos.

This morning on CNN, Webb rebutted McCain’s assertion that the Senate has no role in troop deployments:

Well, first of all, Sen. McCain, who I’ve known for 30 years, needs to read the Constitution. There is a provision in Article I, Section 8, which clearly gives the Congress the authority to make rules with respect to the ground and naval forces. There’s precedent for this.}}}}

By getalife

September 19, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

[Updated: MoveOn.org Didn’t Invent BetrayUs- The Troops Did!](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/18/215826/698

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

stopper,

Go tell it to Cliff Barnes and Angela Miller and see how they feel about it you stooge.

You could ask Joey Fournier, but Horton was successful in letting Joey bleed to death in a trash can.

By rushncap

September 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Can someone, anyone, please explain to me what qualifies Thompson to be a President, aside from his apparent generic aura of “manliness”? I’m honestly at a loss here. Has this country really fallen so far that it’s contemplating electing someone as President because he’s good-looking? Is this a cosmic joke, or are we really turning our elections into an episode of Next?

By wHOSE COUNT CAN WE COUNT ON?

September 19, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq-Tuesday 18 September 2007

Unfortunate that those poor car bomb victims don’t get counted….. Violenc HAS JUST GOTTA be down….

By getalife

September 19, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Updated: MoveOn.org Didn’t Invent BetrayUs- The Troops Did!

Bwa.

McLoser wants the troops to stay as long as he did in Vietnam.

Geez.

By steve-o

September 19, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

{{{Indeed, researchers had focus groups view the Willie Horton ad, then view another one from the Bush campaign in which actors in blue prison uniforms passed through a revolving door, which was meant to symbolize Dukakis’ alleged policy of letting criminals go free. Those who had seen the Horton ad recalled the men in the revolving door ad were black, even though all were white, said Michael Pfau, a professor of political communication at the University of Oklahoma, which has the largest archive of political advertising in the country.

Although Dukakis’ record was a legitimate campaign issue, the ads had the effect — intended or not — of tying him to black criminals with the thick rope of unconscious, but highly emotional, association at a time when crime was rising steeply }}}

RW,

I am by no means defending Willie Horton, but I am saying that Lee Atwater and his associates knew what they were doing by stoking the fears of white folks by expoiting a crime in which a black guy raped and murdered a white woman. It was the classic Southern Strategy.

By getalife

September 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Paul,

First they wrote they bombed Syria’s nuclear arsenal and now this.

Got a better source, I am a little skeptical of all WMD claims.

By steve-o

September 19, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

{{{Indeed, researchers had focus groups view the Willie Horton ad, then view another one from the Bush campaign in which actors in blue prison uniforms passed through a revolving door, which was meant to symbolize Dukakis’ alleged policy of letting criminals go free. Those who had seen the Horton ad recalled the men in the revolving door ad were black, even though all were white, said Michael Pfau, a professor of political communication at the University of Oklahoma, which has the largest archive of political advertising in the country.

Although Dukakis’ record was a legitimate campaign issue, the ads had the effect — intended or not — of tying him to black criminals with the thick rope of unconscious, but highly emotional, association at a time when crime was rising steeply }}}

RW,

I am by no means defending Willie Horton, but I am saying that Lee Atwater and his associates knew what they were doing by stoking the fears of white folks by expoiting a crime in which a black guy raped and murdered a white woman. It was the classic Southern Strategy.

By Dusty

September 19, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Paul @11:02

Virus attack? This sounds like something Microsoft would organize. Or did you mean probable sites to bomb that would wreck the enemies cyber systems? Somehow I cannot get the picture of a war on computer viruses.

Yeah, I know. Smoke signals have gone out of style. Something better is now being used!!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

September 19, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

I am sure that there are liberals out there who are thinking: “Hey why do the Republicans keep electing Hollywood actors, and attacking the so-called Hollywood elite, while we never promote actors as candidates? This seems to be evidence of some sort of intellectually dishonesty.”

Well, I have a response directly from Dick Cheney: “GFY.”

Just because we have elected Reagan, Arnold, Sonny Bono, Thompson among many others doesn’t mean that we can’t be trusted. And even if it does it would be like the 15th thing down the list that shows we can’t be trusted anyway. Get over it.

I just can’t wait for Thompson to stand up with a straight face and attack Hollywood…and lobbyists. I’ll be somewhere saying: “You’re damn right. We can’t trust either one which is why I’m voting for Fred!”

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

steve-0,

Fortunately the white woman was not murdered.

If you can come up with an example of a white guy that Dukakis let out on furlough that was supposed to be in prison for life without parole that went on to stab a guy 22 times and then rape the guys fiance twice while making the guy watch and leaving them tied up to die, which fortunately they didn’t, then I’ll buy your race baiting implications.

By the stopper

September 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

“Go tell it to Cliff Barnes and Angela Miller.”

Tell them what? That Lee Atwater admitted what everyone knew—the Poppy Bush campaign used blatantly racist appeals to white voters?

Or should I tell them that some pathetic right-wing schmuck is exploiting their horror yet again in order to… hey, what WAS your purpose in bringing up this 20-year-old issue, anyway?

By Paul

September 19, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

rushncap 11:11

Because he’s at least 35 and is natural born. Frankly, after what we’ve experienced from professional politicians with law degrees, I’d be willing to try a (non-defense, non-energy) business leader.

getalife 11:20

The source for the Iranian/Syrian deaths during a chemical warfare test was Jane’s Defence Weekly, a well-regarded publication. Their publication is subscription-only, so I used the most complete article readily available.

Actually, no one’s saying what Israel bombed in Syria. Latest intel is N Korea offloaded “concrete” from a ship (Syria needs to buy concrete from N Korea?) and the strike occurred a few days later. Notice how there is no protest from any Mideast country over the strike? That’s most unusual.

I understand the skepticism. Share a bit of it, as a matter of fact. But it’s like the boy who cried “wolf.” But the end of that story is, the boy got eaten and the wolf was full. Skepticism is good – outright dismissal (as many do) is risky.

Dusty 11:23

Briefly – as I have to leave for a meeting. Military, government, power infrastructure, are all driven by, dependent upon, computers. Our satellites direct data to a computer bank. The analysis is done based upon programs run by computers. The information routing is done via computer. The weapons targeting is done via computer systems. Power grids are linked, monitored, via computer.

So an outside agency (read: Chinese military, Iranian military) who can break (“hack”) in to the computer system can insert a program (“virus”) to overload the system, cancel programs, or cause the system (transmission of satellite data) to grind to a halt.

I believe the Cyber (computer/internet/web/programs) Warfare center is to defend against such computer/Internet based attacks.

Think in term of a person (hacker) who uses his computer, via the Internet, to break into your bank’s system and then directs money from your checking account to their own checking account. It’s basically the same thing. The bank’s computer network defenses are their version of Cyber Command, but restricted solely to the bank’s system.

Later -

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

stopper,

Hit ctrl-f and type Horton into the search box, then you’ll see who brought it up here.

rushncap,

Frankly using your logic, what qualifies Obama, Edwards, or Hillary other than the answer Paul gave you?

By Goldie

September 19, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

{{weapons against the US merits a full nuclear response?}}

Paul @ 10:59 — No, does not merit a “full nuclear response”… what’s da matter wit you???

By 'Course Old Benny ain't no prize either

September 19, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Rice Denied Audience with Pope

By getalife

September 19, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Paul,

One conesequence of w’s occupation for oil is an arms race in the ME.

Business is booming in this field making the world a more dangerous place.

By DebbieDoRight

September 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

[[If you can come up with an example of a white guy that Dukakis let out on furlough ]]

First Dukakis didn’t “let him out”. Yes, he initiated the program; but as the repuglicans like to say about Dubya; “how can he be blamed for something that was not under his direct control?”

Blame the board that let him out — not Dukakis.

Secondly,the repubicans have even ADMITTED, openly that they’ve used racial disharmony to win votes:

Ken Mehlman, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee and Bush’s campaign manager, delivered several speeches at meetings with African American business, community, and religious leaders in which he apologized for his party’s use of the Southern Strategy in the past. Said Mehlman, “By the ’70s and into the ’80s and ’90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Goldie 12:11

Oh, just havin’ a bit of fun. Actually, as I thought I mentioned, that was America’s policy all throughout the Cold War. It was known as “Massive Retaliation” - the idea was to deter ANY use of such weapons. And it worked, as both sides had rational leaders who didn’t want to see their countries and peoples incinerated. Not the case now with some of the developing countries - the dynamic has changed.

But I believe that doctrine is still in effect. Seriously, the country does need to look ahead a decade or two and ask “what should our response be if we suffer a nuclear device detonated within our borders?” Tomorrow’s fantasy has an unpleasant way of becoming today’s sad reality.

I’m gone for a few hours - good to hear from you again.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

I remember during Reagan’s first election at the Republican Conference there was a woman in the crowd who had on a t-shirt that said, “Why not an actor, we’ve had a clown for the past four years.”

And while I was horribly outraged by that t-shirt at the time (I was 12 and a Jimmy Carter was then, and is still now, my hero), now I can appreciate it.

But if you read how Thompson voted for things as an elected official, you will see that he is just another ultra-right republican.

I heard Bill Maher last night on CNN, and although I don’t typically take my political opinions based on what comedians say, he had a good point about something: How can a Republican candidate who is willing to stay the course in Iraq possibly win the election after they are nominated with 70 percent of the population wants us out?

I mean, I know, Democrats have a long time to mess up, and they will, and the Republicans have a long time to spin their opinions, which they will, and of course, the ADD American population will forget what the candidates say now and will flip flop their opinions to suit public polls, hell, I’m sure there will be another American Idol before the election which will take most of the attention away from the candidates. So why bother with all this now?

All the candidates on BOTH sides will change their views around June/July 2008 - so I’m not worried about it yet.

By Paul

September 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

getalife 12:23

Quick note out the door - some would argue, given the nature if militant Islam, that the development of nukes would have happened regardless of a US presence.

I agree with you - and if you can listen to Gen Clark’s interview I sourced earlier - we really need to pull out all the diplomatic and economic stops with Iran.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Okay, To change the subject, I watched some news about the whole O.J. thing and is that not the weirdest story ever?

All those people involved are simply greedy thugs with very, very low intelligence.

How bizarre, but it seems O.J. probably won’t go to jail, some good worthy lawyer will do this case for the publicity. He’ll get off.

By getalife

September 19, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Well Paul,

I do listen to Clark, he won his war.

Condi is a failure and we need a new diplomatic team.

Somebody like Richardson to get things done.

This administration does not want peace, they want the profits made off of blood.

By steve-o

September 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

That’s interesting. A coworker of mine said the same thing—that a high profile lawyer will take OJ’s case for free for the publicity.

But on the other hand, I don’t think he’ll get off so lightly, even though all parties involved were punks. If I were on the jury, I would see it as an opportunity to finally send him to jail.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Yale Gallanter has been keeping OJ’s butt out of jail for years so there isn’t much reason for him to change horses now. Gallanter already negotiated bail of $125,000. which is pretty darned light for 11 felony charges including armed kidnapping.

By Duh stands for Democrats

September 19, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Bosch: Yesterday I presented you with 3 cold hard facts about “global warming,” not wild speculations or hysterical theories, and in response to this dearth of evidence, you were only able to ask me “where was my evidence” and call me a fundamentalist.

If I were you, I wouldn’t be pointing out other people’s “very, very low intelligence.”

Just on the off chance that you were unable to comprehend my earlier posts, and you are not really a dullard, I’ll give you one more chance:

1) How can the climate on Mars be rising in temperature the exact same rate as Earth is if we are not on Mars?

2) What was man doing in 1934 that caused it to be the warmest year on record in recent history.

3) If Greenland had no ice in 1300, and the ice came after that killing off a whole entire population of people, why would you libs be worried about it melting now?

Dissemble away.

By raisedanidiot

September 19, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

good day everyone…having computer woes..typing u on my phone..can anyone tell me what the student at fl. st. was asking kerry when he was taken out n arrested n evidently tazzed?

By rushncap

September 19, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

RW — they are all actual, real-life politicians. Not 20 years ago for 1 term. Now. In this day and age. They have not spent the past 2 decades on TV. They have actual experience. Does that answer your question?

By I need a shower after visiting this website...

September 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

but I do it for my country!!!

Are Republican Senators Becoming Endangered Species?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

raisedanisiot,

He asked Kerry why he conceded the 2004 election so soon, why he doesn’t push to impeach Bush now, and if he was a member of Skull and Bones.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Steve-O - I hope what you said is true.

OMG, steve-o, what if I AM your co-worker? :-)

Last night, while I was watching the news coverage of that on CNN, I thought to myself, this is almost like watching a sit-com. It was crazy. It didn’t even seem real.

RW, I don’t know who that guy is, but I wonder how he can afford to keep O.J. out of jail, he has no money, right? Ha ha. I hope that guy is making money because if I had to put up with a client like O.J., I’d make sure I was a rich man for doing so.

Did you read my post earlier about the “poll” questions they have on CNN? They aren’t real poll questions just opinion questions, but they are still really ridiculous.

Just curious.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Fred served as a US Senator from 1994 to 2003, care to try again?

Bosch,

It’s going to be interesting to see how the issue of money is handled. Anything OJ comes up with is going to be turned over to Fred Goldman. I imagine they’ll set up a defense fund and even if it is OJ’s money they’ll launder it into the fund.

A camera crew caught a glimpse of OJ’s $10,000. Rolex the other day and Fred Goldman went straight to court and was awarded the watch.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Duh, Answers to your questions: 1) I don’t know 2) I don’t know 3) I don’t know

I’m neither:

a) a climotologist b) a physicist c) a scientist at all

I based my opinion on evidence that I found to be credible, but unfortunately I haven’t kept a bibliography of all those reports and readings.

I know you don’t agree with me on this topic, and to be honest, I don’t care, but I will be glad, soon, to look up things for you. When I have more time, I’ll be glad to do that.

You know what’s kind of funny about all this, Duh, yesterday when I posed those questions to you, I was actually trying to, if ever so slightly, side with you. Like I told you the whole point of my post was not to debate global warming, but to bring up how many have misconceptions about people.

By Bosch

September 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Good for Fred Goldman -

Parents who have had children brutally murdered like that are never the same, it seems like Mr. Goldman, decided to fight, and I like that.

By RE

September 19, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

The question of qualfications for president came up today. It seems to be much more perception th