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In the toilet

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 08:50 PM

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By Duh stands for Democrats

August 29, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Thank You dear liberals for running off all of the homosexuals from the Republican party.

You da man!

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We got the Sunnis turning on Al Qaeda and now it’s the Shiites going after JAM and Mahdi: {{{{Fighting erupted Tuesday between rival Shiite militias in Karbala during a religious festival, claiming 51 lives and forcing officials to abort the celebration and order up to 1 million Shiite pilgrims to leave the southern city. Security officials said Mahdi Army gunmen loyal to cleric Muqtada al-Sadr fired on guards at two shrines protected by the Badr Brigade, a wing of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council.-Urinal}}}}

{{{{Gunfights broke out between Mahdi militiamen and followers of the Supreme Council in at least two Shiite neighborhoods of Baghdad and in Kut, about 100 miles southeast of the capital, police said.-Urinal}}}}

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Brave liberals; hide under your bed when someone says Islam; while you ankle bite and sneer at Christianity, such Cowards:

{{{{Onward Christian Soldiers, allowing an evangelical group to function in the defense department is an obvious violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution.}}}}

“Congress SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION…”

Can’t read?

Meanwhile, Islam enslaves and murders the masses, the cowards snipe at Christians.

So brave.

By George

August 29, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

I’m sure that Andy Duh will find a way to blame this on Bill Clinton.

By IN THE NEWS

August 29, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,” said Mr. Reed, sounding exasperated in an interview on Tuesday morning. “You can’t make this stuff up. And the impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating. Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.”

What’s up with Republican politicos getting arrested by undercover cops for soliciting sex in public restrooms? First, Florida state representative Bob Allen, formerly John McCain’s state campaign co-chair, was arrested in July after he offered a police officer $20 for the privilege of performing oral sex. And today, news broke that back in June, Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho), long the subject of gay rumors, was arrested in a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes cop investigating lewd conduct in the men’s bathroom. Both men are married-to women. (See Max Blumenthal at Campaign Matters for more details.) The moment is so thick with irony, I scarcely know where to begin. But let’s start with their incredibly lame attempts at damage control. Upon arrest, both Allen and Craig attempted to use their positions of power to escape charges (Craig handed over his US Senate business card to the officer and asked, “What do you think about that?).

By IN THE NEWS

August 29, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,” said Mr. Reed, sounding exasperated in an interview on Tuesday morning. “You can’t make this stuff up. And the impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating. Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.”

ALSO

What’s up with Republican politicos getting arrested by undercover cops for soliciting sex in public restrooms? First, Florida state representative Bob Allen, formerly John McCain’s state campaign co-chair, was arrested in July after he offered a police officer $20 for the privilege of performing oral sex. And today, news broke that back in June, Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho), long the subject of gay rumors, was arrested in a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes cop investigating lewd conduct in the men’s bathroom. Both men are married-to women. (See Max Blumenthal at Campaign Matters for more details.) The moment is so thick with irony, I scarcely know where to begin. But let’s start with their incredibly lame attempts at damage control. Upon arrest, both Allen and Craig attempted to use their positions of power to escape charges (Craig handed over his US Senate business card to the officer and asked, “What do you think about that?).

By Can' t Resist

August 29, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Duh stands for Democrats

August 29, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Thank You dear liberals for running off all of the homosexuals from the Republican party.}}}}

OOPS! We missed one!

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Leona Helmsley is getting more criticism than Mike Vick for her $12 million gift to her dog. The King and Queen of Mean should hold a joint news conference and plead insanity for their treatment of their dogs.

By Duh Duh Dah!

August 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

{{{{Onward Christian Soldiers, allowing an evangelical group to function in the defense department is an obvious violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution “Congress SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION…”

Can’t read?}}}}

Can’t Comprehend?

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

All these apologies: Vick, the diapered astronaut lady, Sen. Craig, now Sweden wants Keith Richards to apologize for blowing all his guitar riffs at the lastest $150/seat concert. The pope even apologized recently for the inquistition, for imprisoning Galileo, and of course, for the singing nun.

By @@

August 29, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Dang ml, I fully expect simpletons to focus on such trivialities. The kind that take place outside the WH and within the personal life of some senator.

When I saw your cartoon, I immediately thought “Smokin’ in the boys room”, but hey….that’s progress. Right?

Oh well!

By New Unabridged Republispeak Dictionary

August 29, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

trivialities = he’s quilty

By Biatchslaap

August 29, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

GOP Anthem

And another gone and another one gone,

Another one bites the dust!

By @@

August 29, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

New Unabridged Republispeak Dictionary:

(((trivialities = he’s guilty)))

He is?

Nooooooooo /sarc/!!!

Guilty of what exactly?

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

@@, you cant criticize ML’s joke and then pile on Sen. Craig yourself with the double entendre and pop music reference.

That reminds me of the time on stage when a chick laughed heartily at my act and then started booing…..pick an emotional response and stick with it.

‘muff said

By New Unabridged Republispeak Dictionary

August 29, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

””“Guilty of what exactly?”“

Snarky reply intended to obfuscate the obvious.

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Yesterday I referred to the lying, deceit and especially the hypocrisy of the “family values” Republicans and yet how their few “faithful” followers seem to not only think that type of “leadership” is OK, or at least just trivial(!), but actually endorse it.

One of the other less savory aspects, I forgot to mention, of this ongoing charade, called neo-con governance, is the outright hubris of these men.

Sen. Craig is just the latest (and not the last, I’m sure) of an ever growing list of immoral Republicans who feel that because they once, many, many moons ago, had a “mandate” from the inane Newt crowd (and let’s face it, our less than brilliant commander-in-chief never had one, in spite of his idiotic assertions) they can do anything they damn well choose, legal or not, or ethical or not.

Their sheer arrogance and sense of self-importance literally drips from them, as evidenced by this disgusting man doing this: After he was taken for questioning, the police report says, Craig pulled out a Senate business card and asked the officer: “What do you think of that?”

In other words, I’m a US Senator, and I think I get to play by very different rules and if you’re smart, you’ll let me off. Too bad this clown doesn’t realize that the days of Nixon’s henchmen and Hoover’s strong-arming people for non-criminal activity is long gone.

I guess the best he can hope for is that some GOP group swift-boats the police officer’s military record.

IMHO, he no longer deserves the chance to represent ANY Americans.

And if the Republicans in Congress have any decency left, they will send him down the sh!t river. Lets see if the fanatical, blind supporters that have made up the “core constituency” of the GOP will throw him an oar.

By candide

August 29, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

Craig is the quintessential Republican: hypocritical, self-righteous, cruel, hateful, fascistic, moralistic. He will soon claim that Jesus loves him and forgives him.

By IN THE NEWS

August 29, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

{{{{Moon Karl Rove, and you’ll be arrested. When the politico spoke on American University’s campus in April, he was met by a throng of angry Democratic students’ behinds as they dropped trou and blocked Rove’s motorcade. Most of the kids were given 40 hours of community service by the university, but on Friday, the cheeky group was notified that the Secret Service has issued warrants for their arrest. Details are bare, but the students are reportedly being charged with crossing a police line and disorderly conduct.}}}

By Mike

August 29, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Looks like Candide has simplified it for all of us:

All Republicans are bad people. Not only bad people, but truly evil people.

Thank you, Candide. Your thoughtful and meaningful comments have brought a lot of understanding to this subject. Why waste time understanding someone else’s views when you can just dismiss them as evil? Now that is enlightened dialouge! Kudos!

By Mike

August 29, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

One more note, Candide. You might want to avoid calling people “moralistic” in the course of questioning their morality. Someone might accuse you of being a hypocrite. Of course, you were also calling someone a hypocrite at the same time you were practicing youe hypocrisy, which just adds to your silliness.

By @@

August 29, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Rovespierre:

(((@@, you cant criticize ML’s joke and then pile on Sen. Craig yourself with the double entendre and pop music reference.)))

Excuse me????

I can do whatever I please. It’s what the liberal’s fight to protect, or am I wrong?

Seriously RovingPeter, I’m more interested with Turkey’s recent election and China’s move to peacekeeping forces in the U.N. than I am with Senator Craig.

I’ll bet the guy who changes the marquis at the comedy club where you appear has a heckuva time giving you proper billing.

Do you change your name there as often as you change it here PoliFore?

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 29, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

Craig should resign. What he did is not only disgusting (and illegal for heterosexuals too!) but it is also completely hypocritical. The difference is that Republicans are calling for his resignation. They are not doing it over the gay issue, but because he has lied in the past about it and continues to lie today.

However, I have never heard Democrats ask for resignations after certain people have been involved in vehicular homicide, drunk driving, consorting with lewd women and having sex with pages. In fact, they get promoted to committee chairmanships. One crook even took a bribe, put the money in his freezer and then was considered for a spot on the Homeland Security Committee. He is still in Congress. Democrats need to get their own house in order before they point any more fingers. The Republicans are showing some character. Why don’t the Democrats? Could it be politics?

By Midori

August 29, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

mike,

can’t stand the heat, get the f*ck out of the kitchen.

candide is spot on.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

The problem, luchoisaheadcase, is that you Repudlickans persecute gay americans, and you have the temerity to claim that a gay marriage would harm traditional marriage.

You may not persecute anyone under my watch, sir.

Expect more bombshells in the news.

Why do you think the rats are abandoning ship one by one in such a quick fashion?

Iraq. What’s the mission? On purple finger day, I predicted that the Iraqis would elect the very people we were fighting, and that we would have to overthrow the very people we provided elections for.

I’ve warned about a Shia Superstate for over four years now. Yes, I coined that oft-used term.

You go ahead and blog your little hacked phrases from Hannity and Rush. It wont save you, but maybe you’ll feel better, and what’s wrong with that.

Try thinking for yourself and drawing your own original insights about Iraq, and maybe, then just maybe, people will respect your blogging……Fair Enough?

By @@

August 29, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Oh my!

If they can’t stand the heat/opposition, they…

Planned Parenthood officials said they concealed their ownership to avoid opposition to their work.

I guess the rules don’t apply to them, and the community be damned.

Oh well…

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

{They are not doing it over the gay issue, but because he has lied in the past about it and continues to lie today.}

If this is true, that is excellent.

{The Republicans are showing some character.}

But this statement is one with which I’m not at all sure I would agree.

Given the gravity of this current scandal, what choice do they have?

And yet I saw a GOP strategist complaining on H & C (yes, I sometimes watch it) that for just once, he wished Republicans would rally around one of their own and stand together!!!

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 29, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

IN THE (LEFT WING/PRO-AL QAEDA) NEWS - so what should we do, just sit by and allow a regime that states it wants to obliterate other nations from the map just have these weapons, and have no consequences? What is your real name? It wouldn’t be Daladier or Chamberlain by any chance, would it?

By @@

August 29, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Wait, if a hypocrit calls another hypocrit a hypocrit, (the pot calling the kettle black), then wouldn’t that make the original hypocrit a hypo-pot-Imus?

get it? black, Imus?

move over, PoliFore

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Apparently those liberal kooks at the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration didn’t get the memo!

Man’s responsibility in contributing to global warming is a myth spread by loonies, commies and liberals who’s only aim is to ruin the US economy!!!

I mean, what in the hell could these people possibly know about the earth’s atmosphere and oceans? And like NASA, what are they even doing looking at them?!!

{Although NOAA was formed in 1970, the agencies that came together at that time are among the oldest in the Federal Government. The agencies included the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey formed in 1807, the Weather Bureau formed in 1870, and the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries formed in 1871. Individually these organizations were America’s first physical science agency, America’s first agency dedicated specifically to the atmospheric sciences, and America’s first conservation agency. Much of America’s scientific heritage resides in these agencies. They brought their cultures of scientific accuracy and precision, stewardship of resources, and protection of life and property to the newly formed agency.}

And even given this: The researchers conducted two sets of 50-year computer simulations of U.S. climate, with and without the influence of El Nino. They again found a slight cooling across the nation when El Nino was present. Then they looked at the effect of the increased greenhouse gases. They ran 42 different tests using complex computer models to simulate changes in the atmosphere under various conditions and concluded that the “2006 warmth was primarily due to human influences.”

I don’t trust them one single iota. Why should I, when I can trust corporations with self-serving interests, armchair blogaholics, non-scientists and other experts who know so much more than them?

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Science/Greenhouse_Warming.html

By Sailor

August 29, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

“the sailor said Andi/e-duh, you’re a fine girl…”

Senator Craig’s story reminds me how me and Andi/e-duh met.

‘ceptin’ it was the portapotty at the county fair in Cumming (how apropos!).

If the portapotty’s rockin’ - don’t come knockin’!

By GodHatesTrash

August 29, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Andi/e-duh, the GOP has a (lip)lock on the closeted gay vote, it would appear.

Who are you voting for? Who are your friends voting for?

You see? Hypocritical perverts like you love the GOP.

Trash.

By Hey Head Case

August 29, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

””“so what should we do, just sit by and allow a regime that states it wants to obliterate other nations from the map just have these weapons, and have no consequences?”“”

They can “state” anything they want.

Do you think we should initiate military strikes because a nation STATES something?

Hope that doesn’t become international policy, or the whole world will be blown up!

Call us a name, ridicule our nation and we will bomb the snot out of you?

If you weren’t so afraid perhaps you would think more clearly.

Are you a breeder?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 29, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet August 29, 2007 9:07 AM In other words, I’m a US Senator, and I think I get to play by very different rules and if you’re smart, you’ll let me off. Too bad this clown doesn’t realize that the days of Nixon’s henchmen and Hoover’s strong-arming people for non-criminal activity is long gone.}}}}

Yep, I agree:

{{{{Police are investigating whether U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy’s bizarre crash-scene story about being late for a 2:45 a.m. vote was a desperate attempt to escape an OUI bust by invoking a law that prevents members of Congress from being arrested while en route to formal sessions, authorities said.}}}}

Funny though, I heard no lib complain about this behavior.

~~~~~

{{{{By Can’ t Resist August 29, 2007 8:15 AM Thank You dear liberals for running off all of the homosexuals from the Republican party.}}}} OOPS! We missed one!}}}}

When a liberal calls me gay, does it say more about sexual orientation or about their hatred of homosexuals?

By Doom's Theory

August 29, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Homosexuality is curently the fastest growing sin in America. This demonic spirit is very cunning and arrogant and preys on anyone who is somewhat dissatisfied or confused about their own character.

By @@

August 29, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

(((By @@ August 29, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this)))

(((Wait, if a hypocrit calls another hypocrit a hypocrit, (the pot calling the kettle black), then wouldn’t that make the original hypocrit a hypo-pot-Imus?)))

(((get it? black, Imus?)))

(((move over, PoliFore)))

Back to your “old and tired” tricks I see.

I prefer to post my own thoughts, but then you do like to do everyone’s thinking for them, don’t you?

(((@@, you cant criticize ML’s joke and then pile on Sen. Craig yourself with the double entendre and pop music reference.)))

I guess it was the “RovingPeter” that started you wanking this morning.

You’re what men would call a “cheap date”.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Well, it looks like Luckovich got one thing right this morning.

Democrats have stationed hall monitors outside every men’s room to see if Republicans are entering.

Poor Republicans! Gotta run home to tinkle or BE JUDGED!!

The suspicion of misbehavior as shown by Democrats is understandable. After the Clinton Administration—WHEW—all the way to the court room, the Democrats expect bad behavior. (But they don’t check on Dems a la restrooms. Just Republicans.)

Keep the posses going, Dems and Repubs. We don’t need weak characters in Congress.

By @@ and Dusty posted at the same time

August 29, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

@@,

It seems that Doom owes you and Dusty an apology. Unless you are the world’s fastest or deceptive typer,you couldn’t have typed both of those posts at the same time at 10:32.

Maybe.

By Midori

August 29, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

A Scandal-Scarred G.O.P. Asks, ‘What Next?’ “How Low Can You Go?”

Yo, Crusty: Just HOW low??????

By Can't Resist

August 29, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

””“When a liberal calls me gay, does it say more about sexual orientation or about their hatred of homosexuals?”“

Nope, it says we are laughing at you.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

InTheNews 9:54

Okay, I know you don’t comment, analyze or give an opinion, so these are just general questions about the article - which was more opinion/op-ed that ThinkProgress picked up from Carpetbagger Report (run by a rather liberal Dem, so that explains the tone):

What exactly is “fear mongering?” As an historical example, was Winston Churchill a fear monger regarding his comments about Nazi Germany in the 1930s? Is it possible to comment on a country or ideology that is a threat to American (or others’) interests without being a fearmonger?

So Pres Bush warned of the possibility of Iran instituting a nuclear holocaust? Have the writings or speeches of Ahmadinejad or Khamenei given any indication this is a possibility?

What are the differences in the intelligence estimates (and in the agencies producing them) between prewar Iraq and now, with Iran?

IF Iran has stated the intention to develop nuclear weapons, and has stated the willingness to use them, even in the face of no overt threat, what should the US position be?

I found Benen’s article all over the map, typical of the questioning cynicism and accusation (and short on reporting and analysis) that passes for “journalism” by so many on the Web.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Doom @ 10:37

Stay away from detective work. You have just solved the mystery that never was.

Besides, aren’t you the dark side of that ID chameleon kook Rovespierre? Maybe. Why not? Could be…

By steve-o

August 29, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Doom @ 10:32,

Your theory is crap. Do you really think that homosexuality is a choice? Do you really think that people would choose to be ostracized from their families and community?

By IN THE NEWS

August 29, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

[The study concludes that the US has made military preparations to destroy Iran’s WMD, nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of President George W. Bush giving the order. The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions.] (http://www.rawstory.com/images/other/IranStudy082807a.pdf)

By @@

August 29, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Doom:

Not a problem. I knew you would get it eventually.

Apology accepted.

Maybe.

By GodHatesTrash

August 29, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

The resident hypocrite/pervert of the Luckovich blog doesn’t think what Senator Craig did was a crime.

Many of us normal decent folks -irrespective of our own sexual proclivities- would like our children to be free to use a public restroom without fear of harassment or witnessing adults engaged in sex acts. Evidently, that is too much to ask for cretins like Andi/e-duh.

Trash.

By STOP THE PRESSES! Dusty responded to Doom

August 29, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

If you had responded to Doom before, I wouldn’t have pursued the accusation. @@ is much nicer than you and better looking.

Leave my presence or you will become the next Buy Danish, a hapless victim of Doom.

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 29, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Headcase - It depends on what you mean the degrading and heterophobic term “breeder”. I guess your name is Chamberlain or Daladier because your argument is the same as Chamberlain’s was at the time of the Munich agreement. Hitler meant what he said. Words have meaning. The nutty little president of Iran means what he says. Would you have liked Hitler to have nuclear weapons? This guy is just as bad. I rather think that you still believe in the tooth fairy!!

By Steve-o is gay

August 29, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Doom has two responses:

Not all homosexuals are ostracized. Because of an increasingly perverted society, families are becoming more accepting these days.

Even if they are ostracized, at least the family is noticing them. A cry for attention is one of the conditions that makes a person susceptible to such a lifestyle. Homos then, in turn, get new families which replaces the old one.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

InTheNews 10:47

[[The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely.]]

More opinion masquerading as fact. The DoD has plans for possibilities all over the globe, for situations many in this country probably aren’t even aware of. It’s part of their mandate, it’s what they do. If they didn’t they’d be derelict in their duty.

So, do ya’ really think the Iranian leadership is so dumb they don’t recognize the possibility of what may result from their words and actions? Or that (ref Khamenei) they actually look forward to instigating it? That the only way they could get a clue is if the US “announced their intentions?” Man oh man, it’s not just American conservatives that ultralibs think are stupid, it’s a bunch of foreigners, too! No one is as smart as an ultralib, evidently.

By GodHatesTrash

August 29, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

How do we know the Tooth Fairy was from the South?

Because if s/he had been from anywhere else, s/he would have been the Teeth Fairy!

Hohohohohohehehehehehehe.

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Regarding Kennedy’s drunk driving escapade, Andy, it’s all a matter of degree.

He should have had his pee pee whacked for doing such an idiotic thing.

But it irrefutably pales in comparison to Craig’s antics, ESPECIALLY given his very long term record of espousing “family values” and public lying and deceit.

BTW, for a truly eye-opening and completely outrageous, though anymore not altogether shocking, very, very long list of “family values” Republicans and their minions, caught with their pants down, and sadly in numerous cases with children, look at this:

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/RepublicanSexScandals

And the escapades apparently started quite a long while ago:

http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

By @@ needs new friends, such as Doom

August 29, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

@@,

Your poor excuse of a friend(Dusty) had better watch herself. She has spent all of this time ignoring Doom as if she was too good to speak to him. Now, all of a sudden, she opens her trap. You don’t need that type of idiocy in your life. Life should be filled with peace and harmony, not snot-nose wretchedness.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

I knew Mike would do a toon on this pervert before his vacation.

Great toon Mike, have a great vacation.

I found a new hero yesterday.

He stood up and said he was back.

His name is Senator Tim Johnson and he is a role model for those who suffered strokes.

By Doom designates 'GodHatesTrash' as idiot of the day

August 29, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

GodHatesYou,

Doom heard that you were raped by some guys from the south. Is that the reason why you don’t these here parts?

By @@

August 29, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Oh noooooooo!

AmVet a/k/a Shhhhhhh.

Didn’t you tell me that you had never used DailyKos to spam this site?

So what’s with:

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/RepublicanSexScandals

That’s ^^^ a DailyKos site isn’t it?

Are you also RepublicanFamilyValues Guy?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 29, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

{{{{By God’s Trash August 29, 2007 10:50 AM The resident hypocrite/pervert of the Luckovich blog doesn’t think what Senator Craig did was a crime.}}}}

Simple, basic comprehension would be a major break through for the Ku Klux Koward:

{{{{By Duh stands for Democrats August 28, 2007 2:36 PM This is no better than Congressman Craig or for that matter, Hillary Clinton No, these are not Republican or democrat issues, nor are they liberal versus Conservatives. These people are sick in the head, living fake sordid little lives, who I don’t think are capable of defining their political persuasion with any sense of reality at all. We need to be gone with them.}}}}

Not only that, but the only reason she thinks that Craig committed a crime is because he is a Republican.

Just look at Barney Frank, Mel Reynolds, Gary Studds, all perverts, all democrats, all re elected.

Duh.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

getalife

That is for sure. I never knew (until recent events made it an issue) that strokes aren’t generalized - they hit certain areas of the brain and one can face paralysis, short-term memory, balance or other impacts. In varying degrees of severity. But the patient’s attitude is key in recovery and Sen Johnson is a fine example.

By Hey Mr Head Case

August 29, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

I mean have you progeny?

I know you think you have learned soemthing from history - and if Iraq and soon Iran were the same as Germany and the axis nations during WWII I might take you seriosly.

You are right, words have meanings.

There are two “nuts” involved in this battle of words.

None of them is Hitler.

Only one of them has broken his nations proud long standing tradition of no preemptive wars.

Only one of them comes from a country that ever used nukes.

You are part of an ever shrinking minority of Americans who have just turned into lily livered cowards. You are an embarrassment to all the rest of us who are brave enough to say to bullys in Iran or DC - “You start it, we’ll finish it”

But we follow the great American tradition - We don’t go around kickin’ a*, just because of threats.

You guys are so afraid of what might happen that you ignore is happening.

Super Mega Putz

By There is rampant hypocrisy in the black community

August 29, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

When Don Imus mad his verbal blunder on the radio and television, African American leaders called for his job. When Michael Vick is found guilty of killing dogs for six years they say he made a mistake and should be forgiven.

With that type of logic, it is no wonder why blacks rank at the bottom of everything.

P.S. Who wants to play the “What race is Doom” game?

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Poor ol Doom at 10:53

I see you are in dire need of someone to even notice your poor attempts at blogging. Ah well, I shall oblige.

Yes, indeed, @@ is much sweeter and kinder than I. She’s a winner. Can’t comment on her looks as I have never met her.

As to my appearance, let’s just say that I wouldn’t scare a cat off a gut wagon. (Is that folksy enough? My husband thinks that’s pretty good!)

But then you started hallucinating. Buy Danish a hapless victim? Listen, Don Quixote, BD blows your windmills off the horizon every time she’s here. Go tend to your crochet and knitting and don’t waste time here.

By Goldie

August 29, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Tee-hee! “I am not gay”, he declares… like anyone cares whether he’s gay.

How about just not soliciting for sex in the men’s room, pleading “guilty” as charged, and then whining like a Repugnant caught with his drawers down???

Another pathetic Repug bites the dust!

By Doom suffered a mild stroke years ago

August 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Due to some heavy drug use at the time, I lost all feeling in the right side of my body. When I was taken to the hospital, the doctor asked had I been on any type of drugs. I told him,yes,marijuana, and he told me to drop it.

Doom has not heard much about the effects of drug usage concerning strokes, but it needs to be looked into.

By Dusty is asking for it

August 29, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish doesn’t blow the windmill off anyting when she’s here, you know why? Because the she’s not here! At least not as frequently. The Power of Doom compelled her! She wants no more of Doom, and if I were you, I’d back off these silly little girly remarks of yours maggot!

By @@

August 29, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Doom:

I’ve learned that “blog friends” are a figment of one’s imagination here.

My argument in defense of Dusty has always been that she’s much nicer than me.

My goodness, the liberals here have described me as vile, hate-filled, greedy, racist, and a bigot.

I don’t believe they’ve ever used those terms to describe Dusty.

Actually I would argue that Dusty is also smarter than me. Why?

She maintains her suspiscions of you.

This is for “Hey Mr. Headcase”. I found it to be apropos to his concerns for Iran.

“Liberals Desire to be Loved is their Achilles Heel”

People don’t love countries except during exceptional and brief moments in history — such as when Germans loved America for the Berlin airlift or the French loved us right after we liberated their country from the Nazis.

(((The aim of the United States of America should not be to be loved. As nice as that would be, the one superpower on earth is never going to be loved — though I would bet a large sum of money that if China or Russia or any other country became the reigning superpower, people the world over would yearn for the good old days when America was the superpower.)))

By Paul

August 29, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Mr Head Case

By the standards of the people who wrote the article, Winston Churchill would have been labeled a “fear monger.”

One could certainly make the case the current war was not made for preemptive purposes. Or was. There were lotsa reasons given so it’s fairly easy to make either case, depending on the point you want to make.

I hear a lot of “we’re the only country that has ever used nukes” as if that were a bad thing. Was it? The alternative was…. (brace for the Googlers who will pull up “articles” stating American casualty estimates for an invasion of the homeland were overblown and the Empire was on the verge of collapse). Here’s a clue - check the number of Purple Hearts and that time’s version of “body bags” - but I guess the implication is we were evil for using nukes in WWII. Even though it saved lives and brought the war to a quick conclusion.

But to the larger questions, not answered by namecalling: does America (or WILL America) face threats? How will they be identified? Will discussing them constitute “fearmongering?” And do Ultralibs really think foreign leaders are too dumb to recognize the impact of their actions? Or do Ultralibs just discount that maybe, just maybe, some foreign leaders are encouraging these very actions by America?

By Corky Cobb

August 29, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Republican Family “Values”

Rev Haggard God Discount- Buy a gram of meth and get a free crack.

The Sen Vitter Hooker Card- Each time you use a hooker they will punch a whole in your card. Free B J after 10 uses.

Rudy Guiliani Fabulous Wedding Deal- Free bouquet with every new marriage, and each wedding dress purchased.

Sen Craig Morse Code Kit- Buy one pair of shoes and get free taps to go with them.

Foley Freebie- Free e-mail address when you sign up at BoyPage.com

Newt’s Hallmark Card- Buy one ‘Get Well Soon/Happy Divorce’ card get a second one half price.

Ralph Reed Casino Deal- Each nights stay earns guest a bucket of Indian Head nickles to play the nickle slots with.

Sonny Perdue Tax Break- Free appraisal with every land deal.

Act fast! The demand is real.

Check back hourly for updated deals!

By getalife

August 29, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Looks like we kidnapped some Iranian diplomats in Iraq because they had guns in their car.

w’s diplomacy at work.

Iamanutjob is toying with w and he has China and Russia.

w is stupid enough to take the bait.

By Bull$hit Alert

August 29, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

””“”One could certainly make the case the current war was not made for preemptive purposes. Or was. There were lotsa reasons given so it’s fairly easy to make either case, depending on the point you want to make.”“”“

Pure unadulterated crap.

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

@@, as it is of no interest to me, and as I am thankfully quite naive in matters of extremist websites, I didn’t make the connection with my link to DailyKos.

And as I have never entered that url (DailyKos) in my browser, it is of no relevance to me.

I know that, like countless other sites, it is vilified by the right and idolized by the left, (or vice versa) but to me, it and all those other sites are of no inherent interest other than the veracity and relevancy of any given article that I find through researching topics, people, etc.

It’s the contents, not the website name that matter to me.

And if others here took that same approach, there would be less of the deflecting and spinning seen so often here, based on merely the source and not the information itself.

I gather you did not look at nor read the article?

And as to your last sarcastic question, the answer is no.

A better one, are you?

By Dusty is jealous of @@

August 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

@@,

Dusty is mad because she doesn’t get the attention that you do. She’s not smarter, she’s more deceptive. Doom doesn’t pay her any mind so therefore she strikes out at him. That’s what some women do, if they can’t get attention one way, they get it another way. I have girlfriends of mine who call any guy that doesn’t like them gay. Its an emotional ego thing.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Doom,

Are you sure it was’nt all that crack you smoked.

Sure, blame it on the weed.

Geez.

Paul,

I have first hand knowledge of strokes and there are many types. They all bad.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Ahh @@, concerning Doom and other IDs he uses,

My heart is full of pity for poor Doom. He had a stroke and lost feeling in half of his body. It is obvious that it was the upper half which never recovered.

So I shall send no more blog cards to his Rehab unit but let him rest peacefully.

Shhhh I am tiptoeing out of here.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:34

“take the bait”

Yes, there’s a lot of “bull baiting” going on. That was my point. I do not think we’re there yet - but it is a road that once embarked upon is difficult to detour from - for both sides.

B****** 11:34

So you think there were no preemptive reasons given? Or there were? Or that the Bush Administration didn’t give many, many varying reasons for going to war? Or the answer is “all the above”? Or you think they had A reason and that was that?

AmVet

[[It’s the contents, not the website name that matter to me.]]

With many here, it’s a losing battle… Witness the Edwards campaign - three dozen times on Fox, no complaints about his interviews or coverage, now to pander they’re “the enemy.” Economics may not trickle down, but political strategy does.

By Doom doesn't need to use any other IDs whench!

August 29, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Since you’re leaving, you might want to check in on your husband. Doom believes that he and getalife may have something going on.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Dailykos is the biggest political blog and a force to be reckoned with whether you like it or not.

It gets bigger and bigger everyday and people like BO and other RW pundits are scared of Dailykos.

Then again, wingnuts are scared of everything.

Geez.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Doom,

Again, stop hitting on me. I am not Craig or never been like Craig.

Geez.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

getalife

They sure are. And for those others reading this - if a doc tells you you’re too young, or it’s “food poisoning” or the numbness was caused by how you were sleeping, or you suddenly get bad headaches or are dizzy - ignore that doctor and get to the emergency room. No guessing games, tell them you think you are having a stroke.

One article I read - think it came from British med - said in the first 20 minutes drink an “Irish Coffee” - just strong coffee with a shot of whiskey (or other alcohol). Seems the combination of alcohol and caffeine keeps the blood pumping and the capillaries open, minimizing the effects.

By Paul: Beware of getalife

August 29, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You’re a nice guy and you are cool with Doom. You might want to keep a sharp eye out for getalife,though. I belive he wants more than just advice from you and he is slowly slitherng his way in. He will use whatever political jargon he can to make you feel comfortable and then the next thing you know: he’s in your pants. I know you’re not gay, but Doom hates to see you being slowly lured into the perverted and twisted world of getalife.

Be careful buddy.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

A major headache that will not go away, left or right side numbness but when you start drooling and slurring your speech, it is too late.

The damage is done and irreversible.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Doom,

No means no, which part of I am not Craig do you not understand.

Me loves the ladies.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Doom 12:09

Uh, that was ONE shot of whiskey. To be taken only when symptoms appear….

Getalife 12:09

True. But if one was fortunate enough to have the effects limited, like to memory or balance, therapy can help. But for the other - the mind can be as sharp as ever. But some people never get past the externals.

BTW - today’s cartoon was spot on. Sen Craig is toast.

By DAYUM

August 29, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Newt Gingrich…Craig…Vitter…Foley…and the list goes on and on. Republican family values in all it’s glory.

By Dusty'sHusband'sGirlfriend

August 29, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Dusty has gotten so broad across the butt sitting in her poor old sagging chair blogging night and day that her husband now has me to lavish his attention on. I do however fear the day that she finally tracks me down and pins me under the 325 lbs of lard that she is packing on that formidable frame of hers.

By No Way!

August 29, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Dusty! Are you that fat chick showin it off over at wifelovers.com? Are you THAT Dusty? No wonder your husband went and got himself a girlfriend. Folks she is really BIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG!

By getalife

August 29, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

I think the gop are toast.

All they can run on is the fear card and w went nuclear with that yesterday.

He looks subdued today in New Orleans.

There is more progress in New Orleans than Iraq.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Paul @12:16

I’ve read that taking an aspirin is the best preventive if one has stroke symnptoms. Asprin does lower the platelet count so that may be how it helps. Your suggestion sounds more interesting.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Asprin and Irish coffee?

No, your best bet is the emergency room.

Geez.

By @@

August 29, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Oops, a post got lost.

AmVet:

I never visit radical blogsites so no, I didn’t read your dkosipedia site.

Contrary to your biased opinion of conservatives, my family values are addressed only within the four walls of my home. I am not RFV. I only concern myself with family values and the negative impact on our society’s children. Kids pay no attention to politics or politicians. Most adults don’t either for that matter.

The conflict I find here is that liberals expect me to ignore Bill Clinton’s sexual indiscretions within the Oval Office, but then want me to exhibit disdain for what Craig did in a public restroom.

I would like to see Craig resign, but then I’m not one of his constituents. He doesn’t speak for or represent me. If the Republican party calls for his resignation, it will only reaffirm my confidence in them. They’ve pushed for resignations of their own in the past, I’m betting they’ll do it again.

By Bosch

August 29, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

I personally give a rats a* whether or not Craig is gay - chances are he probably is, but would never admit it to himself because he feels that is somehow “bad.” But sneaking around getting it in public bathrooms in airports is somehow okay? It is really sad and pathetic.

It’s sad and pathetic to me that a certain segment of our society are still so far in the Dark Ages that they view homosexuals as bad. None of the homosexuals I know would cruise around public toilets in order to get laid, they have better self respect.

However, this Senator has probably repressed his desires for so long (and probably because of his religious beliefs) and hates himself so much, he feels this is the only way. Like I said yesterday, these long-repressed desires usually morph into something much more vile and harmful.

The general population doesn’t care one way or the other about who he sleeps with. I do though, take up issue with WHERE he decides to get it on.

And, the more pressing issue that I care about is his complete hypocrisy in preaching family values while he’s cruising public restrooms for sex.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

getalife - Dusty

When presented with an “either/or” I like to pick both! Take an aspirin and drink the Irish Coffee on the way to the emergency room!

Dusty - pretty amazing resilience, given your sparring partners earlier -

By Bosch

August 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

I was looking at Craig’s mug shots and noticed - mug shots are pretty kick a* now. They are so clear!

Okay, I just had to comment on that.

Oh, and for the record, I don’t care if this creep Craig is a Republican or not - I’d be just as disgusted if he were a Democrat.

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 29, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Dear Duh,

You made the statement of “Just look at Barney Frank, Mel Reynolds, Gary Studds, all perverts, all democrats, all re elected” The difference here is that these people do not hide their lifestyle like Sen. Craig did nor do they persecute people of their lifestyle. Since many of the newly discovered Republicans with an alternate lifestyle were so vocal in their opposition to gays, were they doing this because of repressed emotions or just to get re-elected and hold power? The Dems aren’t bashing them because they’re now called ‘gay’, they’re being bashed because of their previous stance on gay issues which seems to be in direct opposition to their own newly discovered lifestyle.

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

{I think the gop are toast.}

I think not. For two reasons.

It has been my observation that for the past 40 years, Americans inexplicably seem to relish getting whacked by the very people they send to represent them. Both Democratic and Republican voters. And both in domestic and foreign policy.

And now add to the mix, the insane ingredients of hyper-polarization and absolutist philosophies and the pigheadedness is at all time highs.

Yes, the system is entrenched but even so, how in the world can you explain how career politicians like Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch keep getting reelected time and time and time again?

Not because they are effective or such stellar statesmen, but because their PR machines, funded mainly by corrupt money, are such juggernauts.

And they are counting on the fact that many Americans are either disinterested or just plain dumb to the point where they don’t care or try anything new or different.

And secondly the Democratic Party has squandered their chances time and again (I agree with Nader - if they had run a decent candidate against Bush, they would have won both elections, fairly easily) by lurching to the left far enough that centrist America is equally distrustful of them.

We’ll see which of these two completely corrupted political parties can get its collective act together and try to reclaim the reasoned and reasonable center, but it appears neither is especially interested in doing so.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Bosch August 29, 2007 12:48 PM None of the homosexuals I know would cruise around public toilets in order to get laid, they have better self respect.}}}}

That’s what they tell you, I’m sure.

If “cruising for gay sex” in a public bathroom is so revolting to you, then why would “cruising for gay sex” in ANY public place be acceptable?

Hypocrite.

Duh.

By Say It Ain't So

August 29, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Candied (9:11) If Craig is the quintessential Republican, then I guess that would make Cynthia McKenney the quintessential Democrat. What a wide brush you paint the world with. So now, following your (ill) logic, let’s look at the M. Vick issue.

He’s involved in dog fighting.

He’s black.

Every black person is involved in dog fighting.

Democrats court the minorities vote.

M. Vick is a minority.

M. Vick is a Democrat.

All Democrats are lowlife thugs involved in illegal dog fighting.

Yep, that is where your logic leads us.

Oh, and Midori how’s the kitchen?

See ya tomorrow!

By Paul

August 29, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Following all these events for so long I had to ask “why? What’s going on?” It’s not a Rep/Dem thing, but seems especially hard hitting for those so involved in the values/religion agenda.

I think you touched on it a bit - a little Googling with queries of “why” brought up the Sex Addicts Anonymous site. They attribute much of the foundation to guilt and shame with all the behaviors spinning off of that. So you take in the backgrounds they have, with certain conduct being reinforced as “bad” and the messages of “you’re a dirty pervert if you..” and the secrecy and double standards becomes understandable.

Personally, I find it all sad. So many hangups resulting from - in many cases - parents and authority figures doing a well-intentioned but poor job of instilling “values” and “how to live a good life” in kids. Then these kids become older and the years don’t change the self image - or the shame, self-loathing and secrecy.

Link: Do these guys sound like sex addicts?

and

Link: They do if they do this

Knowing all this, if I had kids to raise I’d seriously question how I was teaching them. Funny, I don’t remember any examples of Jesus shaming people into being “good.”

By RE

August 29, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Just thinking about this craig guy, I remember all the outrage about clinton and how do you explain oral sex to the children hearing about it on the TV. How do you explain to a kid this guys actions.

I was also thinking about probability. This apparently took place in an airport bathroom at noon. There just happened to be an undercover cop in the next stall. How many times had this happened when there was not a cop in the next stall. I mean the probability of getting caught has to be really low, I just wonder how many times this guy was tapping on bathroom floors.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Al Sadr wont attack US troops anymore because his Shia militia has splintered and he needs our help.

SO lets look at what this means: The US is now working with the Sunni Insurgents who all of a sudden became our allies against Al Queda. Now, the Shia want us to do the same against the Renegade Shia.

We’re picking sides and the sides we are picking are enemies against themselves, who are enemies against other groups who are enemies against us. (confused yet?)

We are getting pulled apart by opposing sides and inventing new fronts by the minute.

Total chaos is dead ahead. This war is winding out of anyone’s control and how it will evolve is a quantum experiment, that is, whoever sees what it’s becoming first will win.

Just like the Civil War, when Grant realized that nothing bad can happen to any large US army in the field, no matter what, as long as you press the enemy, you’ll control him and ultimately win.

We need a Grant.

By Bosch

August 29, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Paul - Exactly. Right on brother!

I love this: “Funny, I don’t remember any examples of Jesus shaming people into being “good.” “

Sigh - you are so right.

Um, I don’t know why I’m doing this, but anyway:

Duh, crusing for any kind of sex (homo or hetero - or even masturbation) in public is repulsive to me. Okay? I would be just as repulsed if the senator were getting it on with a female hooker or getting it on with his hand in the public bathroom stall.

Be back later!

By Midori

August 29, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

1:02, typical coward.

post and run.

I’ll discuss the kitchen with you when you tell me all about the amenities in the sewer.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Getawipe: I dont think “Geez” means what you think it does.

What a dope. Honestly. Jeez.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

If parents want to protect their kids , they should not let them watch the news.

The gop set a very bad example for your kids.

Stealing, killing, lying and perverts will corrupt their young minds.

Like Willard said, “it is disgusting.”

What are the gop running on? They have lost their way and chosen the path to hell.

Liberals have chosen the right path and we can be proud of that. If you want change, you are liberal.

By @@

August 29, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Aaawww RE, you’re seeing life through a father’s eyes now.

(((How do you explain to a kid this guys actions.)))

Having talked with many of my daughter’s friends, they tell me that oral sex was not viewed by many girls as sexual intercourse. Nevermind the fact that it is accompanied by STDs and other health risks.

They believe that any sexual act short of that we know as “missionary sex” is not sexual intercourse and leaves them to remain a virgin until marriage.

Aren’t you glad you had a boy?

What will you advise him to do when he receives unwanted advances from a homosexual male? Granted, it doesn’t happen often but it does happen.

Life’s little lessons can compromise your ideals when your kids are involved.

BTW, I’ve always wondered how Bill’s daughter (whats her name) really felt/feels about her Dad’s indiscretions. His disregard for her Mom and her must’ve left some emotional scars. How old was that intern again?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 29, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

I would like to move beyond this mundane topic of hypocritical Republican perverts. This is a story?

Moving on to more pressing issues such as foreign policy, I think it would do all of us some good if we understood the Bush Administration’s and the GOP’s general view of foreign policy, so that we cn see where we are and where we are likely to go next.

Historically, there have been essentially three basic views of foriegn policy: 1) realpolitik, best described as an realistic, ammoral, self-interested foriegn policy, 2) interventionalism, an idealistic foreign policy which views the world not as it is but as it should be. The worst instincts of interventionism led to colonialism, and 3) isolationism, which suggests that we can seperate ourselves from the rest of the world and therefore there is no need to deal with others.

Interstingly, the GOP has embraced each of these at different times over the last few decades: realpolitik: Nixon’s approach to China; interventionism: Iraq; isolationism: Bosnia.

What has not been explored the reason behind these seemingly inconsistent approaches. I have a theory: Psychopathy

Psycopathy is currently defined in psychiatry and clinical psychology as a condition characterized by lack of empathy or conscience, and poor impulse control or manipulative behaviors.

It would appear to me that if you view GOP foreign policy generally and Bush foreign policy specifically through the prism of this condition, psychopathy, that things become much clearer.

Therefore, we should quit trying to figure out why we can’t buy good Cuban cigars but we can buy poisonous toys from China. We should quit wondering why the brutality of Saddam is a reason for invading Iraq but the genocide in Darfur is not. We should quit wondering why Venezuala is an enemy but Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are friends. We should stop wondering why they act too quickly and say things that turn out not to be true or even close to reality.

Once you realize that the bottom line is that, with respect to foreign policy, that the President and the GOP are really just a bunch of Ted Bundy’s trying to convince co-eds to get in their cars, everything will begin to make sense.

RWNJIFG

By getalife

August 29, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

PF,

I make up words.

Jealous?

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Paul 1:04

Jesus never shamed people into doing good? How about the woman about to be stoned by the men around her?

Jesus quite pointedly told them that anyone who had never sinned should cast the first stone at the “sinning” woman.

As you know, the rock throwers left.

I’d sure be fooled if these men were not ashamed.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

PF,

Geezus fereaking kerist.

Geez.

There ya go.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

dusty,

You get fooled everyday.

Geez.

By Midori

August 29, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

{{{How old was that intern again?}}}}

the age of consent.

Now tell me — how old were those young boys that Mark Foley sexually harassed?

By getalife

August 29, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

The gop are getting Hillary elected by their actions.

People look at Bill’s indiscretions and think it was nothing compared to the gop hypocrite actions.

Family values is something they spew when they are perverts.

By Not Again!!

August 29, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Talk of attacking Iran escalates tensions US and Israeli officials raise the possibility of a strike as Tehran warns it will defend itself.

Looks like Georgie is going to get his Christmas wish.

How do we stop this man!!!!

By AmVet

August 29, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

{I never visit radical blogsites so no, I didn’t read your dkosipedia site.}

And that is certainly your choice. But sadly the multi-national owned MSM, i.e. our free press, many times does not do a very good job at what I consider one of it’s most important missions - exposing the corruption and failings of those who desperately want to hide them and have the money to do it - and so many are living in willful blissful ignorance. I choose not to.

{Contrary to your biased opinion of conservatives…}

And who would that be?

I believe my bias is merely against those who have willfully misled themselves into hijacking the term conservatism, but actually believe in extremely few of its tenets.

There is virtually no true conservative movement in this nation now, nor has there been for nearly thirty years, and that is why we have the utter mess we do.

{Most adults don’t either (pay any attention to politics or politicians)}

And that is precisely why we have the foxes guarding the hen house.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Leona Helmsley has drawn more flak today for her 12 million dollar gift to her dog than Vick ever drew for the surprises he left his dogs.

Maybe the two of them should enter a joint plea of insanity.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty 1:45

If shame leads to self-loathing, seeking out improper behaviors as a kind of punishment, inability to form honest relationships and destructive effects upon others, how can it be “good”?

But you raised an interesting example. Although I was referring to a life, not an act (a single act good in and of itself, but not a lifetime of acts), that example seemed to be the aversion of a wrong act (a good act) by the accusers - who were confronted with their own shortcomings - but (bit of free-flow thinking here) the phrase “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” could also be viewed as striking a chord of empathy (maybe a stretch with those self-righteous zealots). Maybe they experience a change in how they condemned others and dealt with others. Maybe it was a one-time thing. But it was, as you pointed out, a good “act.”

In that example my mind goes to the conclusion (if I recall correctly) wherein Jesus asked the woman “where are thine accusers?” to which he answered “neither do I accuse thee. Go and sin no more.”

Very uplifting, to my way of thinking.

By @@

August 29, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Midori:

My point was the impact it had on Clinton’s daughter.

What the heck was that child’s name? For the life of me I can’t recall, but she wasn’t much younger than the intern.

Is Foley gone? Why yes, I believe he is.

Good.

Dusty:

Yours is an interesting perspective.

(((I’d sure be fooled if these men were not ashamed.)))

The sin radiates outward. Hmmmmm.

We, “as a society” bear the burden of the sin in our midst.

RWNJIFG:

I’m gonna try to find a site I located the other day which puts forth some possibilities as they relate to global politics. Purely speculative, but conceivable.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 29, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ok NeoCons —

We payed for the last round of drinks - Now it’s your turn to pay the bill! I mean George!

Cheers’

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

RWNJ 1:39

Just a coincidence of originality? I doubt it. Yesterday Deegee (1:24) over at Wootens was calling Republicans the “Ted Bundys” of politics.

Today, RWNJ says that Republicans are just like “Ted Bundy” and so forth.

Did both of you read the same Dem Party newsletter or just happen to be one and the same blogger?

Since it is on the lowest level of ethical comments I will say it probably came from Dem headquarters. They operate like the reverse of that old song, “Eliminate the Positive. Exaggerate the Negative.” That’s libs for you.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

@@

Chelsea.

It’s always tough for a child (any age) of a parent caught up in infidelity.

By Funny things coming out of a Neo Con

August 29, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

””Since it is on the lowest level of ethical comments I will say it probably came from Dem headquarters”“”

home of swiftboats, and cleland attackers, and dirty campaign tricks

By RE

August 29, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

I am very happy I had a boy instead of a girl. If I had a girl I think I would keep her locked up until she was 23 and probably give her a complex about sexuality that she would needs years of therapy to get over. But with a boy, no problem. My fact of life talk with him will probably be “here is a condom, don’t get anyone pregnant, and don’t catch a disease. Now go out and have some fun.”

Maybe when he gets older I will tell him about the UN game.

By Shawny

August 29, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

12:16…”Republican family values in all it’s glory.”

Wow…lockstep with Mikey the liberal. Make sure when the toon is drawn that the person speaking adds “Idaho Republican…” before mentioning his name. It is important to get the word out to voters who to vote against and what party….unless it is a dem in trouble.

Why is it that a single isolated incident, or unrelated incidents pooled together (somehow), makes this “Republican family values” at work. These individuals named are unrelated and have unrelated, but despicable actions. All should be fired (voted out), but in no way is this a Republican monopoly on these types of “values”.

Friggin hypocrites.

By Shawny

August 29, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Yes, Katrina was tragic.

But why are we wasting money rebuilding below sea level. It was dumb the first time, but with the land sinking over time, it is dumber now. Release the levees and allow the natural level of water to reveal where the new coast should be. No more disasters. idiots

By Shawny

August 29, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

I hate it when this happens.

By Dubya

August 29, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Ahh, Senator Craig. Another Bush Christian Family Values Republican.

Looks like the bridge isn’t the only thing that went down in Minneapolis!

By Paul

August 29, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

I’ve read a lot today portraying this as “Republican/Christian Family Values.”

Soooo, any alternatives? No “vote Dem” soundbites, but any “these are the values we embrace, this is how we’ll put them into practice as policy and in our personal lives?” (Seeing’s how so many critics are so interested on others’ personal lives).

Please - no “health care” or “rebuild whatever” - too easy, too nebulous (“we’re Dems and we care”), not personal enough. I’m looking for something to attract the disenchanted folks -

By Republican Conservative

August 29, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Barry Goldwater, would you please rise from the dead and resurrect our once proud party.

By Half Right

August 29, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Shawny says:

All should be fired (voted out), but in no way is this a Republican monopoly on these types of “values”.

Yep, they should all be fired, but if he doesn’t think this is a HUGE problem for the GOP he’s naive and not seeing what conservatives are saying today.

By @@

August 29, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

RE:

Damn you’re lazy.

(((My fact of life talk with him will probably be “here is a condom, don’t get anyone pregnant, and don’t catch a disease. Now go out and have some fun.”)))

Be sure and let his mother have some input on that “fact of life” talk will ‘ya. She may have something to say about a young girl’s heart and fragile emotions before she wraps YOUR condoms in a pretty little box with a pretty little bow.

Paul:

Thanks for the Chelsea. For some strange reason I kept thinking that was Carter’s daughter’s name. I remember now, her’s was Amy.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

You should worry about the gop pervert kids like Rudy’s.

Geez.

By @@

August 29, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Looking for the “disenfranchised” Paul?

Well there was that little voter fraud thingy that wasn’t mentioned in Shawny’s “Politico” link.

ACT or ACORN was involved. Don’t remember which one it was or it could have been both.

Who cares, what’s done is done.

Well, there are those who vote Democrat. They’re still whining about 2000.

Hey RE, why would I confuse Amy Carter with Chelsea Clinton? Would it be because they were both ___?

Fill in the blank for me RE, you compassionate and understanding male you. :-)

By getalife

August 29, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

w wants to waste another 50 billion in Iraq for nothing.

Geez.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Paul@2:13

You weave a magic web. You are citing “shame” as a pshychological tool to ruin a personality. I am talking more about instant remorse. Maybe there is a difference. But I think the lesser remorse is more common than the larger lifetime influences.

Many people that have psychological problems have them without anybody to blame. Families can be terrible but many without terrible families are “ill”.

Somehow, I think “disrupted families” have become the excuse for personal failure. Sometimes true but often not. Lawyers like to weave it into defense for bad behavior.

Fortunately for Christians, Jesus does forgive our sins as he did with the accused woman. He certainly did add “Go and sin no more.” I’m glad he didn’t say “Or else!!!”

I’m afraid some of our liberal friends think that he did say say those last two words.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

@@

Not really.

Just seems a bit odd that the “side” that says all this stuff shouldn’t matter seems gleeful to make an issue when it happens on the other side (I get the whole “hypocrite” thing). But aside from that, are they preaching to the converted or do they really think their “looky, perv Republicans” line is going to get them any more support? I mean, what kind of a justification is that to vote for Hillary?

It’s one thing to point out shortcomings. It’s another to be perceived as a viable alternative.

Obama could pull it off, I think. It’s just the whole tone of his campaign. But the other frontrunner - too much baggage.

By RE

August 29, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t remember Amy Carter, I imagine she was Jimmy’s daughter.

I was 6 when Jimmy left office.

I make no apologies for my obvious double standard. I have two standards because a boy and a girl are two different things.

I have a tough time watching my Nieces, I have 4. They should be locked away and have arranged marriages at 22 in my opinion.

With the nephews, it is a different story. I have one nephew how has damn near lived a life to rival the storyline of the cheesiest porn film. I guess the abstinance only education never took with him

By Steve

August 29, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

DUSTBRAIN: Tell us all about Jesus! Please?? Please?? Please??

By Doom sees hypocrites on both sides of politics

August 29, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Everyone on this blog is showing their hypocrisy and inconsistency. You people support when they’re in your party and oppose when they’re not.

By Midori

August 29, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

W - the porn president

By Paul

August 29, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Dusty

“You weave a magic web.” That sounds really cool. I haven’t a clue what it means, but it does sound cool!

I took that “shame” thing from the web site I cited at 1:04. In concert with people who feel a lot of judgments from others (and there may not be any - it may just be how they see life) it seems to make sense. I meant the first web site. I think many would read the second link and say “uh-oh, don’t want to go there…”

We see a lot of “instant remorse” nowadays. I don’t think many “gotcha” circumstances lead to lifetime change.

Using something as an excuse is one thing. Recognizing it as a source and then taking steps to get healthy is something else again.

I kinda look at the whole Genesis thing - Garden of Eden - in symbolic terms. You know, the Adam and Eve naked but without shame. Then they start taking in misperceptions and they experience shame and guilt they make the clothes - covering themselves, hiding, being secretive. God asks “What’s going on? Where’d you get this idea?” and they start pointing fingers. Nothing to do with sex or physical bodies. Just the idea of imperfection, not being good enough, not being able to be reconciled to the good.

And the rest is, as you point out, a way for reconciliation.

By mm

August 29, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Quick summary of today’s wingnut posts:

Duh can’t figure out why Dem pervs get re-elected and GOP pervs don’t.

BECAUSE DEM PERVS ADMIT THEY ARE PERVS.

Dusty and @@ are so concerned about Iraq, Iran, Turkey, etc.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SHOW SOME CONCERN FOR AMERICA YOU FAKE PATRIOTS?

@@ at 1:39

[[Having talked with many of my daughter’s friends, they tell me that oral sex was not viewed by many girls as sexual intercourse. Nevermind the fact that it is accompanied by STDs and other health risks.]]

THEY SHARE THE SAME VIEW OF ORAL SEX AS BILL CLINTON.

By Dusty

August 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Steve @3:45,

There are two seminaries in Atlanta. I think you would be better served there in your great search for faith and forgiveness. That is what you are looking for, is it not?

By The Ministry of Doom

August 29, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The first sin is commited after the fall of man(Adam): Blame. Whenever blame is present, sin abounds. Show me someone who blames others for their predicament, and I’ll show you someone that is marred in sin, past or present.

By Abomi Nation

August 29, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Yes, please Prophetess Dusty.

Tell us all about your Jesus!

Then would you tell him to stop talking to George. Last time he talked to him a million people died.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

mm

How’s this for a scenario? Sen Craig doesn’t resign. He announces “I’m homosexual. Or bisexual. Or just flat promiscious.” His wife and children stand by him. The Rep Party won’t endorse him. He becomes a Dem and runs the Senate from (fill in a state) and wins.

{{THEY SHARE THE SAME VIEW OF ORAL SEX AS BILL CLINTON.}}

The difficulty, if I recall, is that Hillary didn’t?

I believe the point was, where did this idea (as long as it’s not genital contact it’s not “sex”) gain currency? Some would put it solely on Pres Clinton. I’m not convinced - if it’s true, it’s about the only time 14-year-olds paid much attention to current events.

By IN THE NEWS

August 29, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

BREAKING: Sens. Coleman And McCain Call For Craig To Resign

EARLIER

{{{{Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) today became the first lawmaker to call for Sen. Larry Craig’s (R-ID) resignation. Hoekstra called for him to step down “as his conduct throughout this matter has been inappropriate for a U.S. senator}}}

By Heathens abound on this blog

August 29, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Doom says: All of you heathens will bow down and profess his name on day! I will love to hear your sarcasm then.

By @@

August 29, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

RE:

No need to apologize. You’re common among men.

I’ve often been amused by society’s pre-conceived notion that teenage girls lack brains and teenage boys have one, it’s just not where it should be located.

Appeal to the heart through the mind and let the remainder wait for direction.

Paul:

I’ve never found value in negative campaigning or negative politicians. I like to think beyond that.

(((Obama could pull it off, I think.)))

Bad choice of words ^^^ there my friend.

I don’t know if there are any sexual indiscretions in Obama’s past nor do I care to know. His inexperience in dealing with unsavory leaders would cancel out any possibility of my voting for him.

There are some questions about his dealings with Washington lobbyists and PACS as well.

He’s too savvy as a candidate and not savvy enough in foreign policy.

RWNJIFG:

I can’t find that link I promised you so I’ll offer my apologies instead.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 29, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Assuming that a scumbag liberal used the Ted Bundy analogy yesterday, let me say that I was unaware of that. Had I been, I probably would have used Richard Ramirez, John Wayne Gacy or Ed Gein simply to give it some originality. Second, if a liberal used psychopathy to describe GOP foreign policy he was probably using it perjoratively whereas I don’t see psychopathic tendencies in foreign policy as necesarily a bad thing. There are advantages to being cold-blooded, impulsive and manipulative. Not the least of these is that your judgment doesn’t get clouded with guilt or remorse. I’ve read about how badly Vietnam affected LBJ. You don’t see any of that wear and tear on Bush. He isn’t questioning his decisions or is he regretting anything, including the planning of the war. Have you ever heard him say that we should have done something differently? No. In fact he says they’d do it all over the same way. This is a very clear sign of a psychopath, but I’m not saying that is a bad thing.

If this minor mental disorder makes Our Dear Leader sleep like a baby, I’m happy that he is a psychopath.

Finally, if you don’t agree with me that the right has psychopathic tendencies in foreign policy explain to me why China has MFN status and I can’t buy a decent cigar? Explain to me why Saudi Arabian support for suicide bomber was the same as Saddam’s .e., payment to families after the bombing, but Iraq is bad, Saudi Arabia is good. I understand that almost 20% of the 9/11 hijackers weren’t Saudi’s but 0% were Iraqi’s. Explain to me why denigration of democratic institutions is frowned upon in Russia and Venezuela but ignored in Pakistan.

Again, I think hiding the fact that these decisions are purely based on monetary and not moral considerations all the while telling the public that the troops are dying for some great cause is a wonderful thing, but we really out to call it what it is. The Iraq war represents an unfeeling sacrifice of thousands of innocents (cold-blooded) in a manner that wasn’t very well thought out (impulsive) done after understating the true risks and costs of the mission (manipulation.) This is definitionally psychopathic behavior and we should embrace it ‘cause its a good thing. I wish all Presidents were psychopaths, we would have never lost in Vietnam and we’d eventually have a Vietnam War

By Abomi Nation

August 29, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I see it didn’t take long for the holy rollers to blame Clinton for the Craig matter!

George, at 8:06 thought it would be Andy. Turns out it was Paul!

LMAO!

Forget the devil made me do it. Clinton made me do it!!!!!

By Doom supports Obama

August 29, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

@@,

It wouldn’t take much foregn policy experience to get the troops out. Doom is no homocrat, but he can recognize a losing situation when he sees one.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Craig is gone by Friday.

Vitter admitted he wore diapers and will stay.

The gop freak show will give us more and more scandals.

I think a competent AG will produce so many crimes, especially in Iraq, that we will need more fed prisons.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

I thought liberal Democrats were tolerant of other Democrats and didn’t march in lockstep?

Link: MoveOn targets Rep. Baird - they know what his constituents really want

Plus, if they want to get the ethics thing straight they gotta hire some better accountants.

Link: Liberal PAC violates Federal law, gets third-largest fine

By getalife is obsessed with Craig

August 29, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Come out of the closet boy!

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

When you read Getalife, imagine a gay voice over. Getalife writes gay. He does. It fits perfectly.

Good outing, there, Getalifeisobsessed.

My wife’s GOPler GAYdar is pinging when she reads Getalife’s gay-intoned comments, you know, that gay lilt in the voice that only a peenee can switch on. The button must be on the back of the throat, or something.

Getalife is gay, and Although it’s a so what, I think that we need to be careful here, because I dont want him blogging for the left anymore, because he does more harm than good, and should really be banned for life from blogging anywhere, even the myspace chatroom he wants to turn this blog into.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 29, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

-=-

Paul:

Just goes to show you - Democrats will point out their own errors and issues within their party upfront - versus - The GOP standard operational policy of lies, spin, deception, and coverups.

Anytime you see the GOP in power you see the CIA working their dirty tricks in other countries (and sometimes our own).

Oh and their were many lies by the Cult 0f GOP Administrations long before Dubya’ “The Chicken Caesar”.

Paul - That liberal PAC should be punished just as harsh as the Neocon PAC’s - and they will! It’s in the courts (ahem) Court - now….

Cheers’

By Doom agrees with Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Rovespierre,

Finally someone with the courage to state the truth. Your wife is a genius. Doom needs a woman like her. I don’t know why getalife won’t fess up because its obvious to anyone who reads his posts. He always responds by saying “me loves the ladies” or some dumb sh!t like that. Hopefully, some other punk on this blog can convince him to come out and admit his true feelings for men.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Sen Craig is the new Queen of the Lean Mean Latrine.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Peoples for a Nuked

I think this Sen Craig story shows the Reps have learned - he’s already had sanctions and there’s no circling the wagons. More like tossing overboard.

I find the Rep Baird story cause for concern. After all the talk about Reps not questioning the leadership, leading us astray, now we have a Dem who criticizes the prevailing wisdom of his party - and they promptly move to silence/sanction him.

If this is what ‘08 will bring then the Dems haven’t learned from their opponents, they’ve emulated them.

Abomi Nation

Did you flunk connect-the-dots?

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 29, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mentalmidget August 29, 2007 3:53 PM Quick summary of today’s wingnut posts: Duh can’t figure out why Dem pervs get re-elected and GOP pervs don’t. BECAUSE DEM PERVS ADMIT THEY ARE PERVS.}}}}

Any questions?

mental midget: You may want to consult with an adult about your post here, assuming you know any.

Gee, I wonder what else “republican” perverts are too ashamed to admit?

Like really being liberal democrats, maybe?

Duh.

By steve-o

August 29, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Steve-o believes that Doom makes good points at times…even when Steve-o doesn’t agree with Doom. However, Steve-o is quite bewildered by Doom’s blatant homophobia. Why is Doom so obsessed with gays?

By @@

August 29, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Doom:

You support Obama? Fine, but you’ll have to take Hillary as President with Obama as VP. Fidel thinks that’s a winning ticket. He’s given it his endorsement. Probably because of Obama’s recent stance on the Cuban embargo. The old WIIFM radio call.

Fidel Castro…What’s In It For Me.

Reasonable heads are prevailing on the Iraq issue. There will be a drawdown but not a withdrawal.

PoliFore is right about that. We ain’t nevah gonna git outta Iraq.

We’ll pull out to the borders to protect Saudi Arabia and Iraq from any further Iranian interference. It’ll be interesting to watch the next Iraqi election.

I’m outta here because this site is slower than molasses.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

What I want to know, is, why do Doom and Steve-o sound like Bob Dole?

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Paul. You Repudlickans persecute gays. You deny them civil rights. You are liberty-challenged, and must be supressed, and I will not allow you to persecute anyone on my watch.

Hillary 08.

Check out what the pentagon is doing with evangelical initiatives to make Iraq a Crusade of Christianity against Islam, sir.

By RW-(the original)

August 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

Maybe if parents would try to instill a sense of decency and morality in their sons, rather than hand them a condom and tell then to get some, we wouldn’t feel as much need to try to lock daughters up until they’re 23.

Just remember that the little girl’s pants you’re encouraging your son to get into belong to somebody’s precious daughter that hoped your son had some morals.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 29, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

-=-

Wandering WikiPedia

I found this to be interesting:

-=-

There was some criticism of the Bush administration for its decision to allow Hussein to remain in power, rather than pushing on to capture Baghdad and overthrowing his government. In their co-written 1998 book, A World Transformed, Bush and Brent Scowcroft argued that such a course would have fractured the alliance and would have had many unnecessary political and human costs associated with it.

-=-

And my how times have changed in the NeoCon mindset. Here’s the Old Wiser Cheney:

-=-

In 1992, the United States Secretary of Defense during the war, Dick Cheney, made the same point:

[“I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We’d be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.

And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don’t think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the -1991- conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn’t a cheap war.

And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam -Hussein- worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OperationDesertStorm.jpg)

-=-

They learned NOTHING!

And I’m pretty sure after this - that they have still LEARNED NOTHIN’-!

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, RW-(the original)

How was Del Mar? Did you get any good Mexican food?

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Desert Storm One is irrelevent now. You uberpundits are three years behind the reality in Iraq.

I’ll give you yet another chance to redeem yourself, sir.

What deductions can you make about Al Sadr’s pledge to stop attacking US forces? What’s going on with that?

By @@

August 29, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Aaawwwww RW, that is so…so…you know…

You know what evolutionists would say though. It’s the “animal” instinct that drives us.

But we really should strive to be better than what evolutionists think we are.

We’re not “rutting” males and females in heat.

Thank you RW. I have a beautiful young daughter with good common sense.

Now I’m gone.

By raisedanidiot

August 29, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Good grief, look at the fun I’ve missed today while I’ve been off making a living…its really much more insightful if you read the blog all at one time though…it seems as if everyone is trying desperately to label each other…labels are down-right evil! Labels are judgments…I don’t like judgments…I don’t feel as though any of us qualify to make them. I think our nation has shifted greatly towards some sort of moral political climate that we should have never indulged in. Morals and laws are decidedly different, and shouldn’t be confused…especially in public policies. Social norms change though time…that fact can’t be disputed…public policies should therefore change to reflect that. Laws are set up to protect the innocent and to protect people from themselves sometimes…they should never reflect the “moral values” of the majority…inevitably somebody will get “fcked”. I guess what I’m trying to say is…who the hell cares about the sexual orientation of one or any one senator, teacher, preacher, chief cook or bottle washer!! As long as you keep your “stuff” where it can’t hurt anyone…WHO CARES?!!! I’m sick to death of hearing about “republican family values”…you know where your family values should be stuck?? AT HOME…WITH YOUR FAMILY!!

oh…doom, @@, dust ball…would you quit with your virtual heavy petting…I think I speak for a lot of us when I say…YUCK!!

duh…I’m not even going your way, dude…but karma will…one day.

By RW-(the original)

August 29, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks!

Let’s just say when you hit a $1.00 exacta that pays $209.10 and you had twenty bucks on it, it sweetens any outing.

I think if I get the urge for any really authentic Mexican food and I can just knock on most any door around here.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Good for you! LOL!

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Answer: the splintered shia militia has Al Sadr worried. He need US help to defeat the renegade shia spin-off jihads.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Rovespeirre 5:34

I still think we should send in a sniper team -

By getalife

August 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

PF,

Your wife……

I will leave that one alone but don’t leave yourself open like that man.

Dear wingnuts,

You can’t change puberty or the human urge to have sex. They have not invented the no sex pill yet but if your erection lasts more than 4 hours, please see a doctor.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

August 29, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Geez did ml’s Commodore 64 server wear out and he found something even slower?

By rushncap

August 29, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

We really do need to get a pool going for which Nutjob Supposedly SuperHomoPhobic Family Values Republican will be caught with his rooster in a man’s behind next. Maybe Brownback??

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

You should have been here Monday. They couldn’t figure out how to even turn the darn thing on all day.

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife, I was wondering why nobody swung at that obvious opening. Watch out, it’s a trap. I got the perfect comeback.

Remember, I’m three moves ahead of all of you.

PS: I am not the gay cabalero! Nor have I ever been the gay cabalero!

By raisedanidiot

August 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

“By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Paul. You Repudlickans persecute gays. You deny them civil rights. You are liberty-challenged, and must be supressed, and I will not allow you to persecute anyone on my watch.”

Rove…just wanted to say thanks. :)

By getalife

August 29, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

I think Larry Flint will out one of the gop candidates probably Rudy.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot

And just when did I advocate persecuting gays? (Inaccuracy of political affiliation notwithstanding-)

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

D’OH!

By RW-(the original)

August 29, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Most of us no how to turn ml’s comment section on remotely, but it will only let the people in the know comment since it only turns it on for your computer. I wonder how they would have wormed around the fact it was during the prescribed hours if anyone had done it?

Don’t be surprised if they just set the day of week parameter wrong and this blog opens Saturday morning.

By rushncap

August 29, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Oh right, Flynt! Isn’t it sad when one of the nation’s biggest pornographers is also one of its greatest patriots, far outpacing most politicians? Thanks getalife.

By raisedanidiot

August 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

“By steve-o

August 29, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Steve-o believes that Doom makes good points at times…even when Steve-o doesn’t agree with Doom. However, Steve-o is quite bewildered by Doom’s blatant homophobia. Why is Doom so obsessed with gays?”

Steve-o…doom makes raisedanidiot want to barf!

By Paul

August 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

That’s okay, Rovespierre. Get caught up in the moment, happens to the best of us -

Link: I said that?!!?

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

I’m the Last talking fingers typing!!

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 29, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{By raisedanidiot August 29, 2007 5:25 PM duh…I’m not even going your way, dude…but karma will…one day.}}}}

If something bad happened to me, wouldn’t that just make your day?

Why, how democratic of you.

Oh well, in the meanwhile, I’ll just be satisfied knowing that I made you, you of such limited mental capacity, who on top of that handicap laughingly thinks that you are so smart, reveal another little bit of your mindless, animal hatred towards others.

Stew in it, dullard.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I think Flint’s report comes out in December.

“The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,” said Mr. Reed, sounding exasperated in an interview on Tuesday morning. “You can’t make this stuff up. And the impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating. Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.” -Scott Reed, Republican consultant.

Finally, some intellectual honesty from the right.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 29, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Republicans, cleaning their own house, like they always do:

{{{{TOP GOP SENATORS CALL ON CRAIG TO RESIGN}}}}

Let the democrats sneer at the law, like they always do.

~~~~~

{{{{Edwards: Americans should sacrifice their SUVs…}}}}

Guess what Johny Girl drives:

{{{{Edwards had this Cadillac SRX Crossover (15 mpg) beside him in Iowa on his arrival from announcing his candidacy for president in New Orleans, according to his Flickr stream.}}}}

Geez.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

getalife

I heard the same thing on BOR’s show the other night (okay, I admit, I was going through at 3x as Malkin was hosting a repeat show and saw the blonde Dem consultant Laura Schwartz opposite another blonde Rep consultant). I stopped to watch. Schwartz got her shots in, then the Rep consultant really leveled a barrage. Sounded just like Reed.

By raisedanidiot

August 29, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Oh, Paul…I wasn’t talking about you…just glad to be defended…that’s all…sorry.

geez…duh’s really afraid of karma it seems…uh, duh…karma doesn’t have much to do with me dude…can’t say what your future holds…wouldn’t want to….go stew in it yourself.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot

I didn’t know if Rovespierre was still on so addressed it to you - should have gone to the source - sorry.

BTW - I really felt sorry for that girl in the link at 6:06. But hey, she used the right buzzwords, she wants to help people, maybe she should run for President!

By raisedanidiot

August 29, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

guess I’m outta here tooo…had a really great sales day, think I’ll go snuggle next to a good book and beer and manic down…hate I missed so much today, I woulda had a good time with the topics…smoke em if ya got em, friends!

By Rovespierre

August 29, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Okay here’s what Iraq is degenerating into: We have renegade christian militia inflitrating elements of our army with pentagon approval whose soul motivation is to fulfill biblical prophesies about the end times. They want to bring about the end of the world, plain and simple, and they see a way via the old Islam vs Christian crusade thing.

Be afwaid. Be berry afwaid.

By Corky Cobb

August 29, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

At least we finally know what the Republican mandate was that Bush was talking about after his re-election.

Unfortunately for Republicans it turns out it was a Republican man date.

Must suck to be a Republican.

By getalife

August 29, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Still with the BO.

Geez.

I see you mentioned Baird’s flip flop on Iraq and his voters voiced their opinions.

That is democracy and the right needs to hear it from their voters not their consultants.

By Paul

August 29, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Rovespierre

raisedanidiot’s gonna be really upset when she gets to the fridge and finds all the beer missing…

Mostly I wanted to see how long this took to post. “Molasses” doesn’t begin to describe it -

By Paul

August 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

getalife

As I said - I record a variety of shows. It’s the issues - not the personalities.

I think it’s good for voters to voice their opinions. But I have a bit of concern about national organizations trying to sway a local election. Happens all the time. Look at the NRA.

I think the Reps did hear from the voters. In ‘06. Or in the case of many, heard when they didn’t vote. We’ll see if they’re quick studies or not.

Have a good one, all.

By @@

August 29, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Well damn Idiot @ 5:25, if thanking a poster for his thoughtful comments and simply addressing someone with civility is “heavy petting”, then you liberal sockpuppets would all be pregnant by now.

Self-insemination….err incrimination.

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