Mike Luckovich

By Can't Resist

August 22, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Look!

Mike drew Andy!

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

See what liberals really think of Americans^^.

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{{{{First it’s about how our universities are being turned into training camps for the anti-American, anti-capitalist left, and what can be done about it. Second, it’s about what happens to someone who attempts to get professors to present more than one side of a controversial argument which they consider important to their political agendas. Such a person is turned into a demon who needs to be tarred and feathered, driven from decent society and just plain eliminated from any discussion. This is a book that demonstrates that people whom conservatives insist on calling “liberals” are actually totalitarians who cannot abide a dissenting voice in the room.}}}}

Now think of the “Fairness Doctrine,” “the science is settled and the debate is over” and the “evolution” stickers being removed from textbooks.

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{{{{If you want to talk whitewash, what Walter Duranty of the New York Times did to win his Pulitzer Prize in 1932 is no different from what Vladimir Putin is doing now. And there is no excuse for the way the once-storied BBC permits anti-Christian and anti-Semitic slurs on its Internet message boards, but instantly removes anything that might be construed as anti-Muslim.}}}}

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The sounds of freedom:

{{{{US troops there “are carrying out a surge that is helping bring former Sunni insurgents into the fight against Al Qaeda, clearing the terrorists out of population centers, and giving families in liberated Iraqi cities their first look at decent and normal life” Bush said in his prepared remarks.}}}} {{{{“I believe this is the moment. Everyone knows the Americans will not be able to get this country out of difficulty alone,” Kouchner told the French radio station RTL on Tuesday before returning to Paris. “I really believe that depending on what happens here it will change the world.” “This is about having an opinion and knowing what positive things one can do and what role France can play in this region,” he said, adding that Iraq was “expecting something” from France.}}}}

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Shouldn’t your blurb more accurately be titled, “What a crackpot thinks that liberals think”?

By Dubya

August 22, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Yes folks, wait’ll you get a loada your alcoholic imbecile from the White House today! He will puke up a speech in which he compares Iraq to fighting the Japanese in WW II. A speech in which he compares Iraq to the Korean War. And yep, Iraq to the Vietnam War. And all the outcomes. This from a booze & drug addict confined to a Houston halfway house in his 30’s. And you love him for it. Yup, he’ll be giving another similar insanity next Tuesday. Stay tuned, watch for it, stand proud you patriots, and God Bless Murcuh.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Opinion polls in the United States show the public’s approval of President Bush’s performance is approaching a historic low for any modern president. The polls also show a decline in the public’s embrace of the conservative social and economic values that have been the hallmark of Mr. Bush’s Republican Party politics. The trends have political analysts in Washington and elsewhere wondering whether America is making a political left turn

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed (August not over yet)

PLUS FOURTEEN

By Truthman

August 22, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Andi, you look great in print!!

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Do We NOT Agree?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Hey Mr Duh August 22, 2007 8:13 AM Shouldn’t your blurb more accurately be titled, “What a crackpot thinks that liberals think”?}}}}

1) cartoon boy is a liberal, yes or no?

2) cartoon boy drew a picture of what he thinks America’s obesity problem is, which was a depiction of a beer drinking slob.

3) He could have drawn Hillary Clinton or al-Gore, they are both extremely overweight pigs, but he chose not to.

4) There are many, many more solutions to America’s weight problem, exercise and watching your diet being one and two, but he still chose to display his extreme hatred of the average American.

Any more questions?

By Stan

August 22, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

It really comes down to basics. This crazed mini-Fuhrer Bush and his cronies need to be rounded up and executed - before it’s too late. The hour is nigh.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I lost my train of thought for just a brief moment:

{{{{3) He could have drawn Hillary Clinton or al-Gore (gobbling down a giant roast,) they are both extremely overweight pigs, but he chose not to.}}}}}

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Yes

BIG NO, he drew a satirical cartoon representing a recently released study. There is nothing at all that suggests he endorses it.

He could have drawn before and after pictures of Mike Huckabee but didn’t. So what?

4.Really big wrong. He drew a satirical cartoon that you do not have the depth to understand. You, as usual, bring up the hate.

More questions. You bet. And they are all about your patriotism.

By Sailor

August 22, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

“the sailor said Andi/e-duh, you’re a fine girl…”

Looks like Mr. Luckovich has seen my gal pal without her wig!

Let me tell you - she can do a whole lot with that little mouth!

Hi sweetie!

Sailor

By Kurdish Stanzas

August 22, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

New RX for fatso’s: Take two donuts and call me in the morning.

or

“You’re not big boned, lady, you’ve got the plague.”

By Andy's Mom

August 22, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Thank you Mike for finally giving my Andy some of the attention he craves. He has been after a reaction from you for almost 2 years now. Was that so hard.

This cartoon of course, is going to be hung on the refrigerator with great pride! My Andy looks great! Thanks for the improvement.

A few questions though. What are those spots on his diaper? Believe me , I don’t dress my Andy in leopard skin diapers. And, why did you draw my Andy holding a newspaper? Andy has claimed 10,000 times that he has canceled your liberal rag. Is it really important to the story?

So he still has a prescription big deal.

Anyway I’m off to the supermarket, we’re celebrating Andy’s picture in todays paper with a big plate of Spaghetti-O’s…..don’t tell Andy but I’m serving Kraft Macaroni and Cheese along with it!

Thanks Mike, Andy always thought he would become famous through you. Now he is. If we had your picture I would put it on the refrigerator too!

By Anonymous

August 22, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

It’s not a controversy if one side has all the facts, and the other is just screeching inanities. Evolution and global warming are both settled science, and they’re not subject to popular vote.

By Miranda

August 22, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Please quit picking on Andy!

By Flo

August 22, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Please quit picking on Andy!

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Fat people are now going to claim to be fat because they have a virus like they claim to have a “gland” problem. Please. People are fat because they eat too much and don’t get off their couches. They get in their cars and drive 1/4 mile to the store instead of walking or riding a bike.

This has been going around for years. Do only Americans get this virus? Does the Asian population have a lower resistence to this fat virus?

I think this cartoon depicts the mindset of some who would rather blame their obesity on something they can’t control, it makes it easier for them to make excuses and justify their conditions to an absurd degree.

By Kurdish Stanzas

August 22, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

You’re not big boned, lady, you’ve got the plague!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

August 22, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Well, Andi/e-duh’s mother and lover have “weighed in” already this AM.

Congratulations, Andi/e-duh, on getting your picture in the paper. Thanks to Mr. Luckovich, who is probably the best political cartoonist in the country, your visage and asexual physique will be seen by millions.

You humorless sociopath POS. GFY!

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 22, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Cartoon boy has been getting an unusually large number of these right. It seems that his blind spot only applies to Demoncrats and Republicans. However, the point is a libertarian one, with which most Republicans would agree: Individual responsibility is the key. All of this blaming everyone and everything else is such a John Edwards/Hitlery Clinton/Barak Obama thing to do!!

By Doom is in tip top shape

August 22, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

You are correct. Whenever Doom goes out with friends, the fat one is always ordering everything on the menu and then just wants to go home.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Duh Stands for Democrats @8:10

Thanks for giving us the good news on France. You quoted Bernard Kouchner. Some might not know that Kouchner is a politician, diplomat and doctor. He is a co-founder of Doctors Without Borders. Sarkozy appointed him as French Foreign Minister. Kouchner is one of the French politicians who was not opposed to the war in Iraq.

As you mentioned, Kouchner believes that the stabilization of Iraq is important to the whole world. He also believes that France should take part in that effort and sends a strong message to French citizens.

How good it is to hear a thoughtful practical voice from France.

By Doom is entering Luckovich's contest

August 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

I will either draw Buy Danish’s fat a$$ whining about the democratic virus making her fat, or Doom will draw getalife’s fat a$$ whining about the republican virus making him fat.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

One million killed in Iraq?

By Hey Mr HeadCase

August 22, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

How funny to see a statement like “All of this blaming everyone and everything else is such a John Edwards/Hitlery Clinton/Barak Obama thing to do!!” from a Bushie!

Blame Clinton! Blame the Iraqis! Blame the Troops! Blame China! Blame the Bloggers!

The Non-Accountability Accountability President!

What a shame.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Typical liberal BS, al-Gore eats like a starved pig and lives in a house that consumes twenty times more energy than the average American home, and who do they scold for the exact same behavior they are guilty of?

You, American.

It’s all your fault.

liberals hate you more than they do Al Qaeda, hahaha.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Did Bernard Kouchner really endorse the Iraq War?

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Don’t you post those same tired old lines twice a week?

Please get something new. Try something true!

Duh is so very DULL!

What a shame!

By DebbieDoRight

August 22, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

OK quick question: Just because one politician in France likes the thought of going to Iraq and joining this “war”; Do you seriously believe he’s stupid enough to kill his career by having his country join in?

Politicians by definition are survivors, liars, manipulators, and self absorbed human beings; who own self interest and survival take center stage above all else. Sort of like Duh.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.”

I always thought he was joking.

He wasn’t.

He was swift(river)boating Al Gore!

By mm

August 22, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Duh,

My Jack Russel Terrier is smarter than you. Are you house trained yet? Is your yard fenced in or do you wear a shock collar? I think you’ve gotten brain damage from your flea shampoo.

Why don’t you grow up and address the real issues confronting our country instead of gushing your usual Demophobia.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.”

I always thought he was joking.

He wasn’t.

He was swift(river)boating Al Gore!

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 22, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Hey Mr. Headcase - you are a headcase as well. I never identified myself as a ‘Bushie’. I have numerous disagreements with him. However, He is not a blame everyone else firster like you liberals, who want to be nursed by the nanny state from cradle to grave!

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

What if global warming was a virus that an entire planet could catch. What if earth caught global warming by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids from Mars via comet water/ice debris-osmosis.. .

…It’s possible….. Or so the think tanks say.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Why don’t you doubters go to “Google” and call up Bernard Kouchner and see for yourself. There are several reviews, one from the 20th of August. It talks about Kouchner’s call to France to help stabilize Iraq.

Another article mentioned that he was one French politician who did not oppose the war in Iraq.

Since Kouchner is the Foreign Minister of France, I am inclined to believe what he says about his own country rather than liberal journalists in America.

By Snowballs Chance in Iraq

August 22, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

DAMASCUS, Syria - Iraq’s prime minister lashed out Wednesday at U.S. criticism, saying no one has the right to impose timetables on his elected government and that his country “can find friends elsewhere.”

Well there we have it!

Now that the ‘3 Stooges’ (Bush/Rove/Cheney) have rebuilt Iraq to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars.

Now that 3K american troops have given their lives.

And finally now that the american people ahve sacrificed thier investment into the infrastructure of american society, abandoning their children for the first time since the generation of the ‘Great Depression’ to a life LESS prosperous than the one they enjoyed.

NOW, the filthy lying Iraqis tell us they are gonna find ‘em some new buddies to play with. Maybe new buddies like Syria that love us to death!

America never had a ‘snowballs chance in Iraq’ of winning over the hearts and minds of these religious zealots. Let’s call it a day and let these monkeys get back to slaughtering one another instead of our troops.

By Hey Mr HeadCase

August 22, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

You don’t have to identify yourself as a Bushie.

We can smell it.

You even are following the Bushie’s backing away from Bush now.

You throw out “Blame everyone Firster” that’s Bushie talk for please don’t investigate us!

Too funny!

What a shame!

By Doom hates excuses

August 22, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Just because one idiotic French punk believes in the Iraq war,alledegedly, doesn’t justify you mindless freaks. Stop looking for any old excuse to cover your mistakes.

By luckovichisafirster

August 22, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Okay,like Im totaly with like all the other firsters,but He is a Bushie headcase that blames everyone.

If I nursed a disagrement there could be another firster in the grave.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

What if global warming was a virus that an entire planet could catch?

What if we caught global warming by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars via comet ice-water debris-osmosis and stuff?

What if the ozone was like a condom and the hole in the ozone was like a high school prick-prank Venus played on us?

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

“14 US troops die in copter crash in Iraq:

A helicopter went down in northern Iraq on Wednesday, killing all 14 U.S. soldiers aboard, the military said, the deadliest crash since January 2005.

Maliki to Bush: You have no right to tell us what to do:

Responding to a question about U.S. criticism of his government, Maliki said: “The Iraqi government was elected by the Iraqi people and nobody (has the right to) put timetables … on it.”

My goodmess, Malarki just told w to GFY!

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

You’re not big-boned, lady, you’ve got the plague.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Kouchner wanted to try similar methods in Iraq, a series of graduated steps, in the hope that one or another of those ever more forceful measures would ease Saddam out of power, without having to resort to anything as violent and risky as a full-scale invasion. Give less-than-war a chance, was his idea—though the only way to do this convincingly was to brandish the certainty of all-out war as the only alternative. Kouchner belonged to a bipartisan, left-and-right political club in France called the Club Vauban, and, in the name of this organization, he and another club-member composed a manifesto under the slogan, “Neither War nor Saddam,” advocating these graduated measures

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Regarding Iraq, [Kouchner] recalls that, without sharing the tone of French diplomacy at the time, he opposed the war. “My position … is the one I expounded in a viewpoint entitled ‘Neither war nor Saddam’, published in Le Monde on 4 February, 2003…. It is the only one I have defended. I wrote: ‘Above all, we wish the members of the UN Security Council to organise without delay an international conference to make clear the abuses of power of Saddam Hussein and increase the pressure leading to his departure, instead of doing everything to manufacture a new hero. We do not wish for war, but we do not want the martyrdom of the Iraqi people to continue. No to war, no to Saddam Hussein.”“

By Fatherland Security

August 22, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

{{{“Private Eyes Sneak into Church Group” by D. Bennett, AJC, 8/22/07

No one knew the couple wasn’t actually interested in joining the church. Instead, they were private investigators hoping two church members, Bill and Leandra Pitts, would spill something they could use to discredit the pair in an ongoing lawsuit over a traffic accident.}}}

You know, I think Duh has finally won me over. King George’s grab of american civil liberties REALLY IS absolutely neccesary for the security of america.

What if these church members had been memebers of an al Queda sleeper cell. How would we unearth them unless we carefully and thoroughly monitor the activity of all goings on in the inner most sanctums of all religious organizations?

Governmental and civilian authorities MUST have the power and authority to follow and apprehend anyone who might possibly be a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer, no matter where they try to hide. Go, Fatherland Security, Go!!!

By Olyv e Oyle

August 22, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Whenever I get close to a fat person I’m going to put on one of those germ masks.

No wait. We should demand all fat people wear a mask in public!

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.”

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore!

By George

August 22, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Oh leave Andy Duh alone. He is doing the best he can with the limited facilities that God gave hime.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical/ Spammie August 22, 2007 10:02 AM NOW, the filthy lying Iraqis tell us they are gonna find ‘em some new buddies to play with.}}}}

{{{{By getalife August 22, 2007 10:10 AM My goodmess, Malarki just told w to GFY!}}}}

Malaki shows some signs of his government becoming an independent entity run by their citizens and these goony, mindless liberals rejoice in their anti American revelry.

Typical.

And Malaki is exactly right, who are we, with our do nothing, 15% approval rating, democrat run, off on vacation paid for by their favorite lobbyist “government” to tell the Iraqis how to run their show??

I guess we could tell them how to conduct pointless kangaroo courts and show trials, our one area of expertise.

Duh.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

It must be sort of like Christmas in August for the Bush Administration. Department of Justice lawyers determine that a White House office that had been busily processing FOIA requests for the past six years is actually not subject to FOIA.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Iraqi PM: Iraq “Can Find Friends Elsewhere”

Told ya, Iraq is not our ally.

I think his trips to Iran and Syria has embolden him.

Our troops are stuck in the middle when the Iraqis they trained turn and kill them.

Russia sold Syria some missiles and wonder if that is why the Blackhawk went down.

By N-GA

August 22, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

It’s funny how some will suddenly identify with anyone who shares A SINGLE ISSUE with them.

Bernard Kouchner was one of the few Frenchmen who supported the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. He opposes war, but felt that Saddam needed to be overthrown.

Of course Kouchner is an avowed Socialist. I wonder if those who suddenly identify with him share his other views. One example: He strongly supports the United Nations as the means for solving world issues.

Bush got elected by single-issue extremists…people who will vote for a candidate because of one issue: abortion, gun control, gay marriage.

Kouchner supported invading Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. He didn’t manufacture other excuses to do it (WMD’s, bring Democracy to the M.E., etc.).

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

The bush-head’s got some nerve, don’tcha think?

“`Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left,” Bush said. “Whatever your position in that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America’s withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like ‘boat people,’ ‘re-education camps’ and ‘killing fields.”’

RICH!!

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

YOU’RE NOT BIG BONED, LADY, YOU’VE GOT THE PLAGUE.

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You’re not big boned, lady, you’ve got the plague. . . . . Mark Twain said, “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it.

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore.

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“You’re not big-boned, lady, you’ve got the plague.”

By Showboater

August 22, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

And Malaki is exactly right, who are we, with our do nothing, 15% approval rating, democrat run, off on vacation paid for by their favorite lobbyist “government” to tell the Iraqis how to run their show??

For that matter, since the figures were the same at that time, who were we to tell the filthy lying Iraqis ‘how to run their show’ during the Clinton years or in 2001?

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

“”Malaki shows some signs of his government becoming an independent entity run by their citizens”

Have you bothered to read the papers in the last two days?

What a shame!

By Sailor

August 22, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

With regard to the fat virus, I never let Andi/e-duh kiss me above the waist, and I shower with phisohex as soon as s/he finishes.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Poor distressed anti-war liberals searching the news to find something, anything against the US in Iraq. They check their favorite liberal journalists, Democrat Undergound, the Democratic Party and anybody else who will back them in their efforts against the Iraq War. They insult those who do not agree with them.

I hope all of you realize that anti-war people will stop at nothing to turn you against the war. They want to act noble instead of the disgrace that they really are. They will use wounded veterans, distraught mothers, families of dead patriots, death lists and bigotry to reenforce their lack of support for this country. They WANT US TO LOSE THE WAR.

Blaming Bush, who has made no more mistakes than any other war president, is their excuse. It won’t work.

Anti-war libs are exactly what they sound like i.e. ANTI-AMERICANS.

Today they are upset because they thought they could count on France to support them. But it seems France has not forgotten the meaning of liberty. They are realizing that the world does not need a center for terrorism in Iraq. Too bad anti-war Americans cannot see that truth.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Hey Mr Duh August 22, 2007 10:32 AM “”Malaki shows some signs of his government becoming an independent entity run by their citizens” Have you bothered to read the papers in the last two days?}}}}

Yes, I have:

{{{{The Mahdi leader al-Sadr, once a key government ally, predicted in an interview with Britain’s The Independent newspaper that al-Maliki’s leadership role is doomed because he is seen as a “tool for the Americans.”}}}}

Hehehehe.

You may not be able to figure this out but I can.

And Iran will.

Duh.

By the way, have YOU read the papers, cause your chosen leader agrees with me now, but I’m sure she’ll change her mind again in a few days:

{{{{Most notable among these Democrats are Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, who is seeking the presidency. “Clearly, there is momentum there,” Levin said of the surge just before leaving last week for Iraq. On his return this week, he said, “We visited forward operating bases in Mosul and Baghdad. In these areas, as well as a number of others in Iraq, the military aspects of President Bush’s new strategy in Iraq … appear to have produced some credible and positive results.”}}}}

By Showboater

August 22, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Dusty thinks that one man is France. What an idiot.

Pro-war shills like Dusty are just trying to pump their investment porfolio in war industries so they can suck a few more war-bucks from the pockets of our dead soldiers.

Take your BUSHSHIT and choke on it you pathetic hag.

By N-GA

August 22, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

I am ROTFLMAO over the wingnut’s sudden conclusion that France is their ally in the Iraq mess.

When France sends combat troops to Iraq to help American soldiers, then I will agree that France is on our side (r.e.: Iraq fiasco).

In the meantime I conclude that France is making the initial moves necessary to position themselves to take maximum advantage of possible business opportunities in Iraq.

Now that Malaki is saying Iraq “…can find friends elsewhere.”, France is there to be their new friend.

You wingnuts are so naive…just like your fuhrer-in-chief.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Duh,

Sadr is back in Iran idiot.

He is a toll of Iran.

Geez.

By mm

August 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Democrats are trying to clean up the mess.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Now we have Showboater @10:43

displaying a dirty mind along with his antiwar sentiments.

Keep your dirt to yourself, buddy. Nobody likes it except other degenerates like yourself.

We will have a political discussion here if you can keep your mouth shut.

Did you just read what Carl Levin said? He’s one of yours. Why don’t you try considering political issues for a change?

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

{{{Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s increasing ties with Iran have triggered a splintering of his government.

Several groups, both Sunni and Shia, have followed the Sunni al-Tawafuq bloc (Iraqi Accord Front) in quitting the U.S.-backed government. But Maliki refuses to make the concessions necessary to bring his “unity” government back together.}}} . . . . {{{{ Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi, a senior Shiite politician often mentioned as a potential prime minister, tendered his resignation last week in a move that reflects deepening frustration inside the Iraqi government with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.}}}} . . . {{{{MONTEBELLO, QC, Canada — US President George W. Bush Tuesday withheld his support from embattled Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki, and said Iraqi voters could decide to replace him.

“There’s a certain level of frustration with the leadership in general,” Bush said after two senior US lawmakers suggested Iraq’s parliament remove Maliki’s government if it fails to make progress on national reconciliation.}}} . . . {{{Iraqi leaders have not met their own political benchmarks to share power and resources, to modify the de-Baathification laws to schedule provincial elections and to amend their constitution,” said Levin. “So, I hope that the Iraqi assembly, when it reconvenes in a few weeks, will vote the Maliki government out of office, and it will have the wisdom to replace it with a less sectarian and a more unifying prime minister and government.”}}}

Are you naive enough to think this means he’s going to be Prime Minister for long?

I have some property you that would be jusr perfect for you!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Their flip flop on France is hilarious.

w is spewing that if we withdraw too quickly, it will be like Vietnam.

He is spewing how he helps vets.

Had to change the channel.

Pathetic.

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

N-GA - You are so on target today! Merkel is a “conservative” too. Maybe the Germans will march into Iraq with the French!

By Hey Mr Dusty

August 22, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Another review from Dusty.

Nothing new there. Just the same old sound of her puckering up and kissing Bush’s butt.

Try something original, young man!

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{Rep. Ellen Tauscher, who shows an extraordinary grasp of the lay of the land today:

GOP leaders have latched on to positive comments from Democrats — often out of context — to portray the congressional majority as splintering. Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher (D-Calif.), an Armed Services Committee member who is close to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), said many of her colleagues learned a hard lesson from the Republican campaign.

“I don’t know of anybody who isn’t desperately supportive of the military,” she said. “People want to say positive things. But it’s difficult to say positive things in this environment and not have some snarky apologist for the White House turn it into some clipped phraseology that looks like support for the president’s policies.” }}}

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Hysterical! NOW its none of our business what Iraq does…NOW the prime directive is suddenly convenient…Maliki says GFY, Andy computes…Maliki=Bush=Good…guess the right thing to do then is go fck ourselves…boink boink

dust ball you’re really getting too pathetic to even address, but what the hell, here’s one for the gipper…

dust ball @10:36 - “I hope all of you realize that anti-war people will stop at nothing to turn you against the war. They want to act noble instead of the disgrace that they really are. They will use wounded veterans, distraught mothers, families of dead patriots, death lists and bigotry to reenforce their lack of support for this country. They WANT US TO LOSE THE WAR.”

….o.k., I do see some good REASONS for taking a stand against this illegal war in there…wounded veterans, distraught mothers, families of dead patriots, death lists…(bigotry…not sure what you’re going for there)…with the exception of one those are some pretty darn good reasons NOT to support the war…my question is this…why are YOU SUPPORTING the war?…humor me

good morning ITN…some great posts!…I missed them last week.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Geez:

{{{{By getalife August 22, 2007 10:49 AM Sadr is back in Iran idiot. He is a toll of Iran.}}}}

Gee, ya think?

{{{{Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s increasing ties with Iran have triggered a splintering of his government.}}}}

So why is Mookie calling him a “tool” of America, just this week. You can regurgitate all of the goony lib talking points you want, things have changed.

{{{{“There’s a certain level of frustration with the leadership in general,” Bush said}}}}

Bush can’t put pressure on the Iraqi’s now?

Huh.

And Bush also said that the Iraqis are free to choose their own leadership.

{{{{When France sends combat troops to Iraq to help American soldiers, then I will agree that France is on our side (r.e.: Iraq fiasco).}}}}

Americans don’t need combat troops from France, remember, we are the superpower.

Duh.

We can kill whoever needs to be killed.

France is opening the diplomatic front to the rest of the word, the United Nations and the Arab League.

Which means we win.

Hahaha.

You lose.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Alternate caption: “You’re not big-boned, lady, you’ve got the plague.”

This just in: Mark Twain said, “Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it.”

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore.

By Dept of Slogans

August 22, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Dusty, your 10:36 was just delightful!

This is not “The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy.”

The blogger attacks on Bush are nothing more than a “high tech lynching.”

“Mistakes were made,” BY THE “LIBERALS.”

We need to “Stay the Course.” “Support the Troops” and “AbraCadabra” “Mission Accomplished.”

“Its our Patriotic Duty” to “Support Bush.” “America, Love it or leave it,” is your only option.

The liberals are in their “Last Throes.” and are “Wanted: Dead or Alive” by us “Real Americans.”

Republicans are the party of “Freedom” and “Family Values.”

We must honor that by insisting “No Child be Left Behind,” and make sure we save a place for Dusty. (Oh I heard a bell ring Dusty an Angel just got its wings!)

Just remember, “Clinton Did it First.” and of course…

“God Bless America.”

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Can’t expect reason from the unreasonable.

You sure are one strange agent.

What a shame!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

“President Bush: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

Reporter: What did Iraq have to do with that?

President Bush: What did Iraq have to do with what?

Reporter: The attack on the World Trade Center.

President Bush: Nothing!!

Now that idiot is spewing that if we withdraw, it will be like Vietnam.

Duh, should of thought of that before he invaded. Maybe if that coward fought in Vietnam, he would not have repeated Vietnam.

Duh.

By Can't Resist

August 22, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Did you hear that doctors at the Center For Disease Control in Atlanta pulled George Bush out of the a$$ of a deer tick?

The tick is not expected to survive. The tick has been diagnosed with Slime Disease.

By Tony

August 22, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Dubya, you sure got that down perfect. I watched that deadbeat lunatic speak about WW II and Japan in particular. He’s still ranting as I write this. WW II - a subject he knows nothing about much like those on this blog. The Japanese have been remarkable and their entire history bears no resemblance to the Middle East. Bush should be hanged for what he says today. He addresses the VFW and those souls applaud anything. Sadly, mostly a bunch of needy guys who never had much of a life and find it in meeting w other guys at meeting halls where they forever exchange war stories, real or imagined. Like the American Legion, its always been pretty sad tho relatively harmless. I say that as a 5-year vet w 15 months combat. It’s reality and history. So this chunk of presidential excrement raves on and places himself in the company of the likes of FDR and Truman and others & compares Iraq to Japan and S. Korea. Someone here said he should be executed and that’s an understatement. Nothing is too low for these freaks, no shame too great. Listen to the reruns and vomit.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Well ho ho and ha ha over the French.

Did anyone say that the French were sending troops to Iraq? NOOOO

Did French Foreign Minister Kouchner say that France should help stabilize Iraq? YESSSSS

Are there other ways to help in this war such as using NATO as is done in Afghanistan or getting the UN to move back to Iraq to help? YESSSSS

Did anyone mention Merkel in any way? NOOOOO

Can anti-war Americans ever get over their despondency and efforts AGAINST winning the war? NOOOOO

Will anti-war Americans ever start calling terrorists bad names instead of the President of the United States? NOOOOOOO

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Maybe I’m not awake yet…did dust ball just say, “Why don’t you try considering political issues for a change?”

Dust ball, why do you support the Iraq war?

The bush-head saved your soul, (Cheney= father; Bush jr. = son; Rove = holy ghost)…but now you must go into all the world and preach the gospel…you must know how to tell people why you believe what you do…come on, search your bible, pray, fast, give us a testimony sister!! We need a witness!!

By Buy Snails

August 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Please America! Show your support for France. Boycott Liberal California wine. Buy French Fries. Lets rename California! Change it to Freedomfornia. Or maybe Freedomfornaux

Boycott deodorant!

We’re Winning!!!!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

It does not get any dumber than dusty.

Quit typing and watch hero lie to the VFW while they buy all of his bs.

Good thing GA is playing in the little legue World Seies on ESPN. 7-0 Ga in the first inning.

By Hey Mr. Dusty

August 22, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

This line here

“Will anti-war Americans ever start calling terrorists bad names instead of the President of the United States? NOOOOOOO”“

Indicates that you are now and have always been a great big lying sack of sh!t.

After posting that trash, nothing else you ever say will be taken seriously.

What a shame!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Sorry 6-0 GA.

Mass. up to bat in the bottom of the first.

By GodHatesTrash

August 22, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Osama is a poo-poo head.

Dusty is now happy.

Box o’ rocks dumb hillbilly trash.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Oh good.

Michael Ware is rebutting w’s bs.

Today w supports Malarki, yesterday he bashed him.

Ware is saying Iran has the influence more than us.

Duh.

They are not our ally.

Geez.

By Cindy

August 22, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

The bush administration is calling for regime change in Iraq. Deja vu.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

From story entitled, “Democrats Refocus Message on Iraq After Military Gains”.

I love this, from (the Two) America’s stupidest Candidate’s clueless Campaign Manager:

“Senator Clinton’s view that the President’s Iraq policy is ‘working’ is another instance of a Washington politician trying to have it both ways,” Edwards campaign manager David Bonior said in a statement. ……..>>>>”You cannot be for the President’s strategy in Iraq but against the war.<<<<………

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Silky just blew your phony slogan of “I Support the Troops but not the War” right out of the proverbial water.

And watch out Moonbats, because according to Ari Fleisher: “For people who believe in peace through strength, the cavalry is coming,”

Doomster,

You can draw whatever you want, but if you want an image of a fat a$$, I am most definitely not your girl.

I am the Queen of Lean, and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings in the least if you called me the Queen of Mean since that title is available now.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Yall can rest easy now…dust ball won’t be coming out for a while now…I’m considering charging for this service

By B.P.O.E.

August 22, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

President Bush is exactly right! We need a regime change in Iraq so we can bring the Iraqi people Democracy!

What do you Anti-American Liberals have against Democracy anyway?

Bush hit a homer with this one.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

-=-

Sad to see — 14 more lives lost in a Helicopter crash in Iraq.

Makes me wonder - were there walnut shells left in this one too?

-=-

When over 3000 lives are lost in the world trade center we call it a horrible tragedy. A massacre! A national disaster!

But when we lose over 3000 lives in Iraq, it’s just another day, Just part of the game, just business as usual.

Not for me — I consider those 3000+ lives lost a national disaster too!

Thomas

By Truthman

August 22, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

January 20, 2008:

The End Of An Error!!!

Deal with it Luckodunce! Libs win, neo-cons go back under the rock!!

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

I’m confused as hell now…which is it, up to the Iraqi people to form a government of their choice, support for Maliki, call for regime change, force-feed democracy, no, up to the Iraqis…tell Maliki go to hell, no, Iraqis must have DEMOCRACY!, no wait, Maliki is anti-bush…must overthrow…but tomorrow we show support for Maliki

talk about your deja vou….Sadam evil must overthrow, WMD’s, no WMD’s, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, but WMD’s, Sadam had to go anyway, fight them there, not here…but those damn WMD’s…

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Did someone mention that Bernard Kouchner is a Socialist?

Not anymore! Apparently, the French Socialist Party reaffirmed their core global policy of not tolerating dissent:

Sarkozy appointed Bernard Kouchner, the left-wing founder of Médecins Sans Frontières, as his foreign minister, leading to Kouchner’s expulsion from the Socialist Party

Later?

I’m off to the pool where I will pursue my lifelong commitment to maintaining a gluteus minimus.

By Cant' Resist

August 22, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

She’s also maintaining a cranium minimus

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

-=-

Buy Danish - and that will be followed by a lifelong committment of spending time with skin cancer specialist too..

Cheers

-=-

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Post-War Bush Forgets Pre-War Bush’s ‘Lessons Of Vietnam’

“”QUESTION: How do you answer the Vietnam comparison?

BUSH: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy.”“

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Okay, I couldn’t resist this, this is just plain funny:

Norway’s Moose Population in Trouble for Belching

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Apparently Danish is trying to wittle her fat ar$e down to the size of her tiny brain. Good luck with that.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

BD should change her name to Buy French Fries.

Flip, flop like w did today on Malarki after Malarki told w to GFY.

Geez.

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

This is classic:

“Are there other ways to help in this war such as using NATO as is done in Afghanistan or getting the UN to move back to Iraq to help? YESSSSS”

How their tiny brains forget that Bush basically told the UN to go fvck off before the war.

By Truthman

August 22, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Mitt (flip-flop) Romney’s chickenhawk self and his chickenhawk sons.

More chickenhawk talk from those who will never have a dog in the fight!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003847586_froma22.html

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 22, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

The truly sad thing with this blog is that no real exchange of information takes place. It is just the same crud day in and day out. I’d love to see a decent discussion of events but that just doesn’t seem possible. I think Paul has been the only conservative that actually ‘discusses’ events versus just throwing trash back and forth. What a shame.

By Hey Mr on the Wall

August 22, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Are you kidding us?

Paul?

A neo Con in moderates clothing.

When challenged he backs up faster than than a young republican from an army recruiter!

By mm

August 22, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Hey you knucklehead wingnuts. Bush is not the president of Iraq. He cannot tell them what to do. He has no control.

Why do you sit on the edge of your seat waiting for his next foolish comment about Iraq? He has lost all credibility in Iraq, in the US, and around the world.

Why do you keep looking/hoping for an external solution to the Iraq disaster? Nothing will change until they decide to fix their problems themselves.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

White House Lies About Al Qaeda Captures in Iraq

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

You’re not big-boned, lady, you’ve got the plague!

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 22, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

I didn’t say that Paul didn’t backup quickly or wasn’t a neocon but he’s been the ONLY conservative on this blog to even attempt to have a dialogue versus trash talk. Again, gets us no where, serves no purpose, solves nothing which is really too bad.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

-=-

What part of Liberal did you not understand?

By the way - That Tattoo is on the arm of Janeane Garofalo. Janeane will be on the next season of “24”.

(personally I still liked her as “The Bowler” (Mystery Men))

Cheers!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

“Two-thirds of US adults admit to being in the dark about political issues outside the United States, and only a third are well-versed in US politics, the results of a new poll. Two-thirds of US adults admit to being in the dark about political issues outside the United States, and only a third are well-versed in US politics, the results of a new poll.”

Geez.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Ah well!! Democrats have to change their message everytime something changes in Iraq. Flip flop and never stop..

Dept.of Slogans,11:09

If you plan to “quote” me, at least write something I said, not something you just thought up. That is what “quote” means. OK??

Hey Mr. Dusty @ 11:30

Wow, you are one sharp “tack” today.

I’m not a “mister” . Clue( one husband, five children!!)

I believe you decided that liberals were NOT calling the President “names”. Check these kind labels already posted today by American liberals:

Dubya@ 8:15……Stan @ 8:38…..Snowballs@10:02….N-GA@ 10:47….getalife@11:18…Tony@11:20.

Not a single one put an unpleasant name on Osama or any terrorist. Makes you wonder just whom it is they support.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Hey, who was it that didn’t know the French were our allies in the revolution…BD or dust ball? I guess since then they’ve been boneing up on their french history…they’re diversion tactics are Rove genius.

Hey Bosch…those moose are farty fellows!

As far as the bush-head’s speech today…uh, the communist never did take over asia, sooooo I’m not real sure how much credence his little speech lends…and uh, Vietnam is pretty much thriving now…sooooo

Yet, the American public is dumb as dirt…this will probably send these back woods conservatives around here into a patriotic tissy. I thought in 2004 that there was no way that America would stand for another 4 yrs., yet viola!

I’m disillusioned, disappointed, disgusted, discouraged, disheartened…been dismissed, discharged…now I feel like disappearing…maybe to Norway where only the moose are flatulant.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody ever does nothing about it.”

Was he joking, or steamboating Al Gore?

What if global warming was a virus that planets could catch? We caught global warming by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars.

Now we’ve caught the crab nebula’s.

That explains why ET was always scratching his balls.

bwa

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

-=-

Lets see — I’ve used:

Osama Bin Lying SoDamn Insane Al-So-queery Al-Queer-eater

Yes I have called terrorist many names —

But don’t worry Dusty.

The propaganda office has just approved quite a few million to keep you on the propoer and official state “course” with the surge and the death march to Iran!

Seig Heil!

By Dept of Slogans

August 22, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Now that President Bush has decided to bring Democracy to Iraq we have decided to start an online contest so we can present our new plan to the public. Our whole plan should be easily summarized in one easy slogan, as usual.

Examples: “Mission Accomplished: Impossible” “Finally got around to that Iraqi Recount”

Thats a good angle. Bush could claim the first Iraqi President was put in power because of a Hanging Sadam. A ruling by the Iraqi Supreme Court (Bush) would then determine the outcome of the first election void.

“Blue Sky Recount”

“Viet Nam, Hippies, Iraq”

“Healthy Democracies”

“God Bless America”

“No Democracy Left Behind”

What should be the new slogan for our newest “Reason we went to Iraq” campaign?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Sir Dullard of GasBaghDad August 22, 2007 1:20 PM By the way - That Tattoo is on the arm of Janeane Garofalo. Janeane will be on the next season of “24”.}}}}

I heard they were going to cast her as the hysterical, whining lib that wants to cut and run from the terrorists, at least until part way through the first episode when Jack gags her.

Speaking of hysterical, The Man Bush’s speech today has you surrender monkeys all ate up with derangement:

In 1972, one antiwar senator put it this way: “What earthly difference does it make to nomadic tribes or uneducated subsistence farmers in Vietnam or Cambodia or Laos, whether they have a military dictator, a royal prince or a socialist commissar in some distant capital that they’ve never seen and may never heard of?” A columnist for The New York Times wrote in a similar vein in 1975, just as Cambodia and Vietnam were falling to the communists: “It’s difficult to imagine,” he said, “how their lives could be anything but better with the Americans gone.” A headline on that story, date Phnom Penh, summed up the argument: “Indochina without Americans: For Most a Better Life.”

You were wrong than and you are wrong now.

By Hey Mr Dusty

August 22, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

The operation was successful? Great!

No you Putz, we speak the truth about the incompentent in the oval office.

No you putz, it’s about that nasty lie about liberals and terrorists.

See you “putz patrollers” like terror. You thrive on it. You profit from it. It secretly thrills you in your puny little hearts. So much so, that you approve of attacking a nation that did not attack us.

Heavens no! NeoCons don’t want to kill the terrorists, they want to manipulate them to meet their own greedy little desires. Do we smell oil?

Liberals want to get the terrorists. Liberals want to get Bin Ladin. They want to do it legally, morally and (this is what you side is still unabel to do) effectively.

Putz.

What a shame

So putz,

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

You are missing the point about the parallel to Vietnam. Vietnam in no way provided a lesson to be learned about getting into a war, exit strategy, support of the local populace, providing for the citizenry that which they are unwilling to fight for themselves, etc…. No, the REAL lesson of Vietnam is that once you get into a war you must never stop it, ever. No matter what the consequences. As I read Bush, he is saying that Vietnam would not have been lost if we hadn’t quit. Of course, he doesn’t say how it could have been won either, but that really isn’t the point anyway. The point is that we could be up to 500,000 dead and counting in SE Asia if we just had the balls to stay. And then no one could say that we lost. You can see the disasterous consequences for America today because we left Vietnam can’t you? Look at how our interests were compromised by the pullout. Wouldn’t we have been better off if we simply nevr left?

This is the parallel to draw for Iraq, an open ended commitment for as long as it takes not to lose. My understanding is that the the name Operation Sisyphus is under consideration.

RWNJIFG

By Hey Mr Duh

August 22, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

QUESTION: How do you answer the Vietnam comparison?

BUSH: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy.”“

You support sending the wrong message to the troops!

You suppoprt sending the wrong message to the enemy!

Traitor.

Heretic.

Putz.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

I think the main problems traitorous liberals and other non-wingnuts have with respect to the Vietnam comparison are:

1) They don’t understand that it was our duty to protect the people of Cambodia and Vietnam from the communists. In other words they don’t understand why US troops should die simply to protect other people.

2)

By mm

August 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

ITN, you hit the nail on the head. The wingnuts are so afraid that they voted for a president that lost a war after starting it.

By RE

August 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

The US military is currently involved in a shooting war in which the victory conditions are determined by the actions of a foriegn government.

That is the problem with Iraq and no amount of flag waving, supporting the troops, complaining, calling Bush a liar, or saying that terrorists are bad will change that basic truth about our current situation. The iraqi government is fractured at best, and what actions it takes will be it’s own. It is highly unlikely that it will be a country that is hostile to Iran and Syria, it shares far too much border with those countries each of which is much more stable than Iraq. The US cannot dictate the best interests of the iraqi government, it will act as it chooses to and form alliances with whom it chooses to. There has already been a military victory in Iraq, back in 2003. there will not be a succesful occupation of Iraq because it is not in Iraq’s best interest to be a pro-US nation in that part of the world.

The war was fought without any thought about what happens afterward. The destruction, civil war, and sectarian violence are CAUSED by our overthrow of a stable regime.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

-=-

What the hell does Bush know about Vietnam anyway?

Other than how to “Cut and Run” from the war into the (silver spoon fed) Air National Guard! Thanks daddy War-Bush!

Heck - Dubya even cut and ran from that too!

For that matter what does Bush know about World Military History? Diplomacy, etc?

Yes Iraq is very much like Vietnam - WE should have never gone there in the first place! And we should withdraw as soon as possible, before the neocons cost the lives of even more of our troops.

Vietnam was a very bad choice for Dubya to extoll any merits of continued warfare and the idiots here parrot that foolish talking point like it is a holy grail.

Napalm sticks to kids! hur’ah! — War is good — Burn the villiages to the ground! Nothing a 50 cal can’t handle! We will win! What we will win we don’t know, but we will WIN!

Warmongers one and all…

I am so tired of playing security for the world on our taxpayer dime. Our tax dollars should be spent on americans at home for health, and other domestic issues rather than propping up sand regimes so corporations can make more money.

Oh and if this is about fighting terrorist — Got some bad news for you folks - Iraq is not terrorist central! Terrorist are in many countries world wide. That fighting terrorist over there theory just doesn’t wash in the world of reality!

Cheers`

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

bosch 1:02

Perhaps you need to refresh your own tiny brain. Times do change.

Bush met with the NEW Secretary General of the UN in January of this year. He has sought reforms in the UN. The new Secretary General has pledged to do that.

He said”I am very much committed to changing the culture of the UN.”

I would not be surprised to see a UN office re-opening in Baghdad very soon. New culture, new outlook and outcomes looking better.

By the way, does anybody know the meaning of “putz”??

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

I think the main problems traitorous liberals and other non-wingnuts have with respect to the Vietnam comparison are:

1) They don’t understand that it was our duty to protect the people of Cambodia and Vietnam from the communists. In other words they don’t understand why US troops should die simply to protect other people from dying at the hands of communists.

2) They don’t understand why this administration can ask troops to sacrifice for a similar cause that neither the President or the VP were willing to sacrifice for.

As to the first issue, liberals should take note that we invaded China to protect it from the Communists and that the only reason that we trade with and borrow money from China is that we defeated the Chinese and put in a democratic government. This is why the citizens of China are no longer subject to the brutality of a communist government. Can you possibly imagine a political party insisting that one communist country be given Most Favored Nation status while at the same time insisting that American’s must die to stop to the Communists. That would be absurd, stupid, and hypocritical.

As to the second, if Cheney had not have had “other priorities” and had Bush not had “connections” we might well never have seen them castigate other Americans for not understanding the necessity of personal sacrifice.

RWNJIFG

By Hey Mr Dusty

August 22, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Anybody ever heard of a dictionary?

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

dust ball, you sneaky little sht…

Why do you support this war, dust ball?

Dust bal @1:26 - slips the term “flip-flop” in there and thinks she’s had a political discussion.

Thomas - well said! should call you thomas the tank… I had a bumper sticker way back in ‘01 that said: “If you liked Vietnam, you’ll like Iraq”…didn’t know then how many people really enjoyed Vietnam I guess…we enjoyed it so much we created a new one…and this time, We ain’t a leavin’!!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

-=-

Never mind other dangers - like railcars filled with toxins. But the Ministry of Truth - err I mean Homeland Security feels it’s important to check up on those dangerous Chicken Farmer Terrorist!

And and while your at it boys — Check the cities toilets for drugs.

It’s sorta like watching the Keystone Kops!…

-=-

By getalife

August 22, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Senator Kerry responds to w’s Vietnam crap,

“Ignorant!”.

I would add, “Ignorant cut and run coward!”.

Dumbing it down for America.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Sure….. RE @ 2:07

Saddam had a “stable regime”. Uh huh

Hitler had a stable regime. Uh huh

Hirohito had a stable regime. Uh huh

Pol Pot had a stable regime. Uh huh

There’s just nothing like a STABLE REGIME as recognized by unstable liberals. Those stuffy ol’ dictators were just MISUNDERSTOOD. Take it from liberals. They understand! Give a nice liberal salute to ol’ Saddam.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Oops, forgot…here ya go, dust ball… Bin Laden sucks rocks!! And may the fleas of a thousand camels infest the armpits of terrorist everywhere!

Now, you do one for me…why do you support this war?

By DixieDemocrat

August 22, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Dear “Duh stands for Democrats”

Regarding your 3rd post today, should I infer from your items 2 and 4 of said post that the average American is a beer-drinking slob?

By Ditzty Malloy

August 22, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Bush had a stable following. Uh huh

You liberals are so misunderstanded.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

“Two-thirds of US “Dustys” admit to being in the dark about political issues outside the United States, and only a third are well-versed in US politics, the results of a new poll. Two-thirds of US “Dustys” admit to being in the dark about political issues outside the United States, and only a third are well-versed in US politics, the results of a new poll.”

Lets dumb it down for the “Dustys”.

Geez.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

I think Bush is taking a very smart approach to selling the Iraq War by using the analogy of Vietnam. The reason is simple: It is hard to find a war that Americans were more supportive of than Vietnam or that holds a fonder memory in our hearts. If there is a symbol that can bring the country together and united with one voice its Vietnam.

As you can see, Bush doesn’t need Rove to make smart political choices.

RWNJIFG

By RE

August 22, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Ok Dusty, is the following statement true or false?

The US military is currently involved in a shooting war in which the victory conditions are determined by the actions of a foriegn government.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Hey look yall…dust ball @ 2:29…I think she’s trying to think…too bad she missed the entire point.

By All-Hat Ranch

August 22, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Bush’s stable fiends on this blog are that horse Buy Danish, Piggy Dusty and Poop Picker Upper @@ (@llegal @lien.) We also call her “puppy”.

Duh is scared of his shadow so he pretty much hides in a pile all day. RW has to stay inside, he has the “fat virus” and nearly killed Poor Piggy Dusty.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Other stable regimes:

Pinochet

Batista

Marcos

The Shah of Iran

Samoza

The Saudi Royal Family

The Government of China

Milosevic

Tito

Pre-1990 Saddam

You are correct Dusty, the right has been historically even-handed when it comes to dictators.

RWNJIFG

By mm

August 22, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What is your definition of victory in Iraq?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 22, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{By DixieDemocrat August 22, 2007 2:32 PM Dear “Duh stands for Democrats” Regarding your 3rd post today, should I infer from your items 2 and 4 of said post that the average American is a beer-drinking slob?}}}}

In cartoon boy’s little world, yes they are.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 22, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

RE asks: True or False “The US military is currently involved in a shooting war in which the victory conditions are determined by the actions of a foriegn government.”

I’d have to say false because I haven’t heard that from Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh or Hannity so it must be false. If it were true they would have told me. And if they told me it was true they’d still argue that the war is a good idea, so the answer doesn’t really matter anyway.

When the Iraqi’s stand up we’ll stand down. So what if that takes a while or forever? What do you want to do, lose? I say that staying forever prevents losing even if we aren’t any closer to winning. That’s enough for me to ask troops to die for.

RWNJIFG

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Bolton: I ‘Absolutely’ Hope The U.S. Will Attack Iran In The Next ‘Six Months’

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

RE @ 2:36

The USA could leave Iraq today and liberals would be doing a victory dance all over the place.

That what you anti-war people want, isn’t it? A victory by defeat?

The USA would like help from the UN and other regulating agences but we don’t DEPEND on them. We make our own decisions.

Poor ol liberals! Once again, they want someone else to make decisions for them, subsidize them, give them healthcare, good jobs and mortgage free homes.

But a fight for freedom from terrorism? No way. Run RE run. Maybe you can get a nice liberal “victory”…

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

dust ball @3:10 - “The USA could leave Iraq today and liberals would be doing a victory dance all over the place.”

Yes, dust ball..YES!! I would like NOTHING more to see our troops come home, YESTERDAY!! I would like nothing more than to not have to worry that my boys might one day be drafted into WWIII…WHY WOULDN’T YOU be doing the victory dance? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THIS WAR?

By Dusty, we're already defeated.

August 22, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

To my dearest Dusty(@@),

You can’t win an unwinnable(how ever you spell it)battle. Even if democracy is established, we still lose because of our isolationistic approach. If Iraq is stabilized, it will be the only stabilizeed country in that region because the other countries will be p** off.

The crips won’t stop commiting crimes because we stabilized the bloods. The mafia won’t stop commiting crimes because we took down the irish mob. Butch Cassidy won’t stop shooting because we arrested the Sundance kid.

Wake up sweetie.

Sincerely yours, Doom.

By Midori

August 22, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Crunchy,

the only victory dance I will do is when someone slaps you in your big, stupid mouth.

you say the absolutely WEIRDEST and STUPIDEST things.

you dumb witch — how much more needlessly spilled blood will it take for you to see the truth???

By mm

August 22, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You sidestepped my question and posted your usual liberal BS.

What is your definition of victory in Iraq?

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I’m just wondering: do you remember the last time you had an original thought?

By Hey Mr Dusty

August 22, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

The USA could leave Iraq today and liberals would be doing a victory dance all over the place.

RIGHT- A - ROONEY

That what you anti-war people want, isn’t it? A victory by defeat?

IT WOULD BE A VICTORY FOR TRUTH

The USA would like help from the UN and other regulating agences but we don’t DEPEND on them. We make our own decisions.

NOT A PROBLEM

Poor ol liberals! Once again, they want someone else to make decisions for them, subsidize them, give them healthcare, good jobs and mortgage free homes.

IF YOU THINK ONLY LIBERALS ARE CAUGHT IN THE POP OF THE HOUSING BUBBLE YOU ARE DUMBER THAN WE ALL THINK- CHECK THE REPUBLICAN HEARTLAND MAKE THAT FORMERLY REPUBLICAN HEARTLAND

But a fight for freedom from terrorism? No way. Run RE run. Maybe you can get a nice liberal “victory”…

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF LIES THAT MAKE YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS

What a shame!

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

“Putz” is surprisingly enough the German word for “Dusty.”

Go figure.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Right wing Nut Job,

You are so boring and tiresome. The old “wolf in a sheep’s clothing” bit doesn’t work anymore. RedNeck (over at Wooten’s) has cornered the market on that one and you need to think of a new persona.

How about a PoFo soundalike? You could repeat the same “joke” over and over? Use one of Bosch’s mindless moose jokes, for instance.

Or the bombed out getalife routine? “Aint nobody got any sense but me” sorta thing.

I look forward to a change in your venue. You bring the popcorn.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

{{{By mm

August 22, 2007 1:08 PM |

Bush is not the president of Iraq. He cannot tell them what to do. }}}

M&Ms,

You and President Bush are on the same page on this one! As he said today in a fabulous speech -

————>>>>>…it’s not up to politicians in Washington, D.C. to say whether (Prime Minister Maliki) will remain in his position — that is up to the Iraqi people who now live in a democracy, and not a dictatorship.<<<<————-

By RE

August 22, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

You forgot to answer true or false Dusty:

The US military is currently involved in a shooting war in which the victory conditions are determined by the actions of a foriegn government.

By mm

August 22, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Glad we could agree on something. But most of the wingnuts here hang on his every word and actually believe them also. Everytime something good happens in Iraq (which isn’t very often, if ever), the wingnuts credit Bush. Everytime something bad happens they blame a liberal.

Delusional.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

{{{By Midori

August 22, 2007 3:20 PM |

Crunchy,

the only victory dance I will do is when someone slaps you in your big, stupid mouth.

you say the absolutely WEIRDEST and STUPIDEST things.

you dumb witch — how much more needlessly spilled blood will it take for you to see the truth???}}}}

Parrot,

The irony in that statement is glaring on many fronts. First of all, for you to complain about someone else saying “weird” and “stupid” things is hilarious, particularly in the context of that particularly weird and stupid post.

Secondly, if you want to discuss who is responsible for “needlessly spilled blood” it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if this nation were united against the common enemy (hint: It is not George Bush) we would have defeated AQ in Iraq ages ago.

You and your friends are AQs hope and salvation, Midori. What a legacy!

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Iraq is a “democracy”! Lol. That’s a rich one, Muffin. I guess if you consider a civil war a “democracy” where each man’s “votes” are weighted proportional to the number of bullets he has in his gun, then yet. Apparently our Muffin thinks that South Central LA of late ’80s - early ’90s is the greatest example of democracy we’ve seen on American soil.

By Midori

August 22, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Crunchy,

Bush is a p***, plain and simple.

and you’re an ignorant witch, plain and simple.

You disgust me.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Crisis in the Green Zone

w’s desperate pathetic Vietnam rhetoric would be smeared if spewed by the left as traitorous.

Lets be consistent with your smearing wingnuts.

Geez.

By Hey Mr Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

“it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if this nation were united against the common enemy (hint: It is not George Bush) we would have defeated AQ in Iraq ages ago.”

TRUE ENOUGH

But if you have a WHOLE BRAIN you realize the folly of the war and the incompentance of this aedministration.

Sorry Man, Bush is the enemy

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Buy Dung - “Secondly, if you want to discuss who is responsible for “needlessly spilled blood” it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if this nation were united against the common enemy (hint: It is not George Bush) we would have defeated AQ in Iraq ages ago.”

And HOW is that buy dumb…how would a whole nation chanting in unison, Long live King George change anything? You think it would boost our numbers in the military…wrong. You think the enemy (whoever that might be today) would be so mortified that they would cower away and say to themselves, “well there are many reasons why we should hate America, but since they’re so dad burned determined, I guess they’re right and we’re wrong…come on guys, lets go back to the desert”…you’re such an idiot! And you neo-cons like to coin liberals as idealistic! What a thoughtless, brainless ideal!

By getalife

August 22, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

US envoy spells out anxiety over British strategy in Basra

Lets play the blame game.

Of course, nothing is w’s fault.

KO will talk about this tonight.

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

RE,@3:40

I gave you what you asked for and you didn’t like it. Face the truth, RE. Anti-war liberals do NOT want to win this war and work against it.

I repeat again “anti-war libs want ‘victory’ by defeat”. You made the choice so live with it.

rushncap @ 3:22

You wouldn’t know an original thought if it hit you in the face.

I always remember: “Don’t throw your pearls before swine.”

By Hey Mr Dusty

August 22, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

“I repeat again “anti-war libs want ‘victory’ by defeat”

YOU ARE A LIAR

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Gen. Batiste’s Op-Ed That The WSJ And The Washington Times Didn’t Want You To See

””“The only way to stabilize Iraq and allow our military to rearm and refit for the long fight ahead is to begin a responsible and deliberate redeployment from Iraq and replace the troops with far less expensive and much more effective resources–those of diplomacy and the critical work of political reconciliation and economic recovery. In other words, when it comes to Iraq, it’s time for conservatives to once again be conservative.”“”“

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Well, Dusters, I guess since you don’t have any pearls it’s easy to obey that commandment. Congratulations. I notice that you evaded my question. In my experience on this (and some other) boards that means that the answer is “no”. I figured as much.

By Midori

August 22, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Chunchy’s hero

By getalife

August 22, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

“Or the bombed out getalife routine? “Aint nobody got any sense but me” sorta thing”

Huh?

I repeat, to dumb it down for dusty, if I had any sense, I would smoke it.

Just call em like I see em dusty.

Reid was right, this occupation is lost.

Your party screwed up our country, deal with it.

Sit back with the rest of the cons and let the liberals clean up your mess.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

PLEASE Y’ALL READ THE GENERAL BATISTE OP-ED

THEN EMAIL IT AROUND

By IN THE NEWS

August 22, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security. Continuing violence — like this Baghdad blast from May — is causing a rethink of U.S. goals, generals say. A workable democratic and sovereign government in Iraq was one of the Bush administration’s stated goals of the war.

But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country’s nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren’t as “lofty” as they once had been.

By Time Keeper

August 22, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Put away your valuables.

Hide your children.

Wear protective clothing.

It’s nearly troll time.

By Paul

August 22, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Hello RE

Interesting question - but with so many parts, if one takes the view if any part of the statement is false, the entire statement is false, “true” or “false” depends upon the parts.

Rather like saying “our earth is part of a solar system, has an atmosphere comprised mostly of oxygen, has most of its surface covered with water and is part of the Milky Way galaxy.”

Saying “false” because the predominant gas is nitrogen doesn’t make the other parts true or false, just the entire statement if it’s presented as “take it or leave it.”

So I’ll take a stab:

“The US military is currently involved in a shooting war in which the victory conditions are determined by the actions of a foreign government.”

I’ll have to argue “false.” Key word is “determined.” Influenced? Yes. Impeded? Yes. Determined? Only if we accept it. Rather seems as if “victory” has been a moving target - like beginning a trek across a swamp, objective is to get to the other side, halfway across the objective becomes not drowning, then not getting eaten by ‘gators, then…

BTW - US had a civil war. Was still a democracy.

Hi Bosch Your 9:13 caught my attention. It seems it’s presented as is much of the political/military alternatives discussed here: two choices. I think it’s a bit more complex, as continuing research (metabolism, hereditary, other factors) shows. It’s not that a new discovery sets aside everything else, it’s just another factor.

I knew a woman whose basal metabolic rate according to Harris-Benedict should have been 1340 calories a day. An indepth med eval showed it was just over 800 a day. Most people would whither and die on that - she did 1340 she gained.

But I think I see your point - take account of the other factors, but realize they may make the goal more difficult to attain.

By Can't Resist

August 22, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Funny

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

rushncap @ 4:30.

What question? You asked someone about democracy. I haven’t mentioned democracy. You called someone “Muffin”. I’ve been called “sweetcakes” but never “Muffin”.

Could it be that you stood out in the sun too long today?

Try cold wet towels on the head. That might help but some sad conditions, like yours, are irreversable.

By Midori

August 22, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’

In his speech to Veterans of Foreign Wars today, President Bush declared that the lesson of Vietnam is that we must not withdraw from Iraq. UCLA historian Robert Dallek, who has written about the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam, says Bush is “twisting history” with his new analogy:

“It just boggles my mind, the distortions I feel are perpetrated here by the president,” he said in a telephone interview.

“We were in Vietnam for 10 years. We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in all of World War II in every theater. We lost 58,700 American lives, the second-greatest loss of lives in a foreign conflict. And we couldn’t work our will,” he said.

“What is Bush suggesting? That we didn’t fight hard enough, stay long enough? That’s nonsense. It’s a distortion,” he continued. “We’ve been in Iraq longer than we fought in World War II. It’s a disaster, and this is a political attempt to lay the blame for the disaster on his opponents. But the disaster is the consequence of going in, not getting out.”

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Paul — gotta say, the “swamp” analogy is quite brilliant.

Can’t resist: as long as the movie does not include a naked wrestling scene with Rove our civilization will survive.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

geez, its either feast or famine with these wing nuts…either we have to read dust ball the retard or Paul the fart smeller - your a little more holier than thou today than usual, Paul. Maybe you can tell us what victory in Iraq IS then if you know so much…unless you don’t know what the definition of is is.

Dust ball…YES!! Emphatically YES!! I would prefer defeat over death…any day.

Defeat over death! Defeat over death! Defeat over death! Defeat over death! Bush is stupid!…sorry just threw that in there.

By Bosch

August 22, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

“Continuing to expend money and American lives on a nation that shows little drive to solve its own problems is the foreign policy equivalent of a welfare queen.”

—General John Batiste

Classic.

What do you think about that Dusty?

Hey Paul! Finally! We are talking about fat people again. I know there are certain circumstances and always exceptions, but the general population of lard asses in this county would rather make excuses instead of taking a good long look in the mirror and saying, “it’s MY fault I’m fat.”

There are always genetics too, but a majority of the obese people — hell, like most anything else, don’t want to admit it when something is their fault. No responsibility. It’s like the woman who sued McDonald’s because she was fat? What the hell? It’s that kind of mindset that bothers me.

I remember about 10 years ago, they came out with a similar study and they were talking about a fat vaccine or something like that - yes, you can vaccinate for a virus, but if you continue to eat your weight in Girl Scout cookies and Big Macs on a regular basis, and lay around on the couch and not move — guess what? The vaccine or medicine isn’t going to work and you are STILL FAT!!!!

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Why am I bothering to talk to Dusters? Must be a slow day…

Dusters: you are not “Muffin”. Danish is Muffin. Ask a 5 year old why I might call her that. My question was not about democracy, you I asked about remembering the last time you had an original thought. I have a feeling I might have to simplify the question to “do you remember the last time you had a thought?”.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

-=-

In The News — that was a great find - and I have to give a big cheer to Gen. Batiste for clearly stating the facts that have been obvious to many of us all along.

Boy - if Batiste ran for president, I might just have to vote republican.

-=-

Dusty

As to withdrawing being surrender?

WTF? — are you insane?

Wait - never mind - I already know that answer!

Victory? There is never going to be a victory in Iraq, there is no finite goal where an actual victory can be achieved!

But we can reduce the damage to our already smeared reputation as a country.

Nothing saying we can’t withdraw our troops to a nearby location like Kuwait or Saudi, close enough that should a real problem break out we could still get there. It’s time to let Iraq handle it’s own internal affairs instead of us babysitting them. We need to stop this farce of a war based on slogans rather than reality and legitimate policy.

Oh and Dusty - Yes Bush destablilized the country of Iraq.

Iraq was pretty stable under a dictator. I might add - a dictator that Cheeny, Rummy, and daddy Bush helped put in dictator power in the region - to (ahem) - “Stabilize the Region!” from Iran… Or did you forget the weapons we gave to Sad-Damn’..

Of course neocons love propping up dictators at the taxpayers expense, rather than spend a dime on health and well being of the taxpayers themselves!

Any more useless propaganda garbage you wish to toss out there dust bin??

Thomas

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

The democrats fell for the bait, hook line and stinker, Mr Bush, Rove wins again!!

You morons never know when you’re being played.

it’s amusing, but disheartening.

You dont deserve to win. Just be yourselves and let the real men of the GOP (read Saudi royal familily) take over.

I’m very disappointed in all of you.

None of you is worth reading. You fall for everything, and you never think original thoughts, you always blog blonde.

Morons. Losers. Fools.

I speet on all of you.

Mark Twain said it best: “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it.”

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore.

What if global warming was a virus we caught by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars?

Now we’ve contracted the crabs nebula.

That explains why E.T. was always scratching his balls.

morons. you all are so f’ing gullible it means we lose in ‘08.

There’s no way you’re going to stay together, you’ll cancel each other out, and the GOP (read saudi royal family) wins again in 08.

Morons. You disgust me.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 22, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Midori August 22, 2007 4:56 PM “We were in Vietnam for 10 years. We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in all of World War II in every theater. We lost 58,700 American lives, the second-greatest loss of lives in a foreign conflict. And we couldn’t work our will,” he said.}}}}

Bush said, and I guess you idiot libs can’t fathom this on your own, when we left, South Vietnam fell and millions died.

That is ALL that Bush said.

Are you pinkos denying this happened?

And to take this further than what Bush said and address your lies, why did it take a democrat controlled Congress to cut off funding to the South before they fell?

That wasn’t the true sense of “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?”

We honor our word to the South, they would still be an independent nation.

It was your double cross that doomed them.

And killed the millions too.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Great find In the News.

I posted it at Wooten’s and other blogs.

Nice work.

By Cindy

August 22, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

BD @3:47,

You conveniently forget that Bush had a united country and a united world going into Afghanistan. Hmmm, what did he do with all that unity? Blew it up in Iraq.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it.”

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore.

What if global warming was a virus earth contracted by exchanging heavenly-body fluids with Mars? Earth caught the crabs nebula. That explains why E.T. was always scratching his balls, eh?

Try the salve, E.T.

By Midori

August 22, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Reaction to Bush’s speech on Iraq 4 minutes ago

Reaction to President Bush’s speech on Iraq at the Veterans of Foreign Wars’ convention Wednesday in Kansas City, Mo.:

“The president’s surge was supposed to create the political space for national reconciliation. Instead the politics have reached total gridlock, while the security situation remains essentially unchanged. By the President’s own measures the surge has failed.” — Ilan Goldenberg, policy director of National Security Network in Washington.

“The speech was an act of desperation to scare the American people into staying the course in Iraq. He’s distorted the facts, painting all of the people in Iraq as being on the same side which is simply not the case. Iraq is a religious civil war.” — Lawrence Korb, assistant defense secretary under President Reagan and now a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington.

“Bush is cherry-picking history to support his case for staying the course. What I learned in Vietnam is that U.S. forces could not conduct a counterinsurgency operation. The longer we stay there, the worse it’s going to get.” — Ret. Army Brig. Gen. John Johns, a counterinsurgency expert who served in Vietnam.

“The president emphasized the violence in the wake of American withdrawal from Vietnam. But this happened because the United States left too late, not too early. It was the expansion of the war that opened the door to Pol Pot and the genocide of the Khmer Rouge. The longer you stay the worse it gets.” — Steven Simon, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Andy/duh…what are you smoking today? I want some!! Hook me up, dude!

By Paul

August 22, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

In The News

My problem with citing articles by folks like Gen Batiste with yet another criticism of Pres Bush and Iraq is —- I view Gen Batiste and several of the other general officer critics as part of the group responsible for the debacle we find ourselves in today. He was Wolfowitz’s assistant for two years, for pete’s sake. Parroted the conventional (and wrong) wisdom when he was in responsible positions. Was given opportunities to speak out - and when he did it was along the lines of “I need more troops.” Just a day late and a dollar short.

raisedanidiot

Bad day? RE asked for a comment on whether a comment was true or false. I gave it a shot. Topic could have been bananas in Guatemala - same principles of evaluation apply. Haven’t figured out the “holier than thou” comment - unless you mean not taking a predetermined political line. Or not namecalling. Or not getting emotional.

Hi again Bosch

Well I will agree that personal lifestyle is likely the overriding factor. But some people just flat seem to have the deck stacked against them from birth. Rather like the statement the major determinant of a “good” life is nothing more than an accident of birth. Sobering thought, yes?

By Midori

August 22, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Andy,

don’t you have some crosses to burn?

Moron.

By stew day

August 22, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Halarious—we need more of Luckovich

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

What if global warming was a virus earth caught by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars. That means we’ve contracted the crabs (nebula). Now we all know why E.T. was always scratching his balls.

(the crowd goes wild)

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 22, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

In 1973, South Vietnam was an independent, free nation:

{{{{93rd Congress, H. J. Res. 542 November 1973 Joint Resolution Concerning the war powers of Congress and the President.}}}}

The liberals cut off the B52 bombers, then they cut off the money:

{{{{Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam.}}}}

Simple, undeniable facts.

Truth hurts, don’t it?

By Dusty

August 22, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I covered the “original question”. Sadly, you were not cognizant. I still think you could use some cold towels on your head.

Maybe Paul could also use a few cold ones today. I nearly sank into the swamp on that explanation. No offense, Paul, but I think you were sitting on the fence, not the swamp, on that one. Poor RE, she’s probably still scratching her head and trying to look wise.

But speaking of the swamp and a hungry ALLIGATOR, I will see you LATER.

After while, croco…….!!!!

(Uhhh that’s even worse than PoFo’s stale jokes.)

By RE

August 22, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Every definition of victory in Iraq comes back to some variation on a free and stable ally. The government of Iraq determines it’s own policy stance in that, not the US military. Our victory or defeat is dependant upon the actions of the non-functioning Iraqi government.

There is no victory in iraq that the military can give us. The lesson of Vietnam, and Korea was that you cannot begin a war without a clear and attainable definition of victory. WW1 and WW2 both had the limited scope of defeating the occupation armies of Germany and Japan. Those are attainable military goals. In 1991 gulf war, the mission was to turn back the Iraqi invading army, another attainable military goal.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

{{By rushncap

August 22, 2007 3:50 PM

Iraq is a “democracy”! Lol. That’s a rich one, Muffin. I guess if you consider a civil war a “democracy” where each man’s “votes” are weighted proportional to the number of bullets he has in his gun, then yet. Apparently our Muffin thinks that South Central LA of late ’80s - early ’90s is the greatest example of democracy we’ve seen on American soil.}}}

rushncap,

Is that jaw-droppingly stupid comment an example of what happens when you express “an original thought”?

Munchkin, you are much better off parroting the propaganda you’ve learned from your Leftist professors. Even they aren’t stupid enough to pretend that Iraq is a dictatorship or that Democracy can’t exist during a time of war and sectarian violence.

As for Los Angeles (or other crime-ridden cities), I think it is a good example of gangs, thuggery, and wanton murders - but if that’s your point, then you are actually agreeing with Andy, who brings this point up all the time, but I doubt that that was your intention.

I have to split this post up. Stay tuned for part 2…

By AmVet

August 22, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS, I hate to sound fawning, but that op-ed ROCK$!

I have already saved this piece that so perfectly details the failures of this Republican, neo-conservative administration and this ludicrous, misguided and mismanaged “war”.

I believe it is truly THE most compelling argument of any of the many other good ones I have read.

By Paul

August 22, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Duh 5:28

[[cut off the B52 bombers, then they cut off the money]]

And how often have we read here (beginning January) by Iraq opponents that we couldn’t cut off funds?

BTW - Vietnam: China occupation. Japanese occupation. French occupation. 20th century nationalistic aspirations thwarted because Ho Chi Minh was viewed as a communist first, a nationalist second. Toss in post-WWII realities of the Cold War, proxy wars, domino theory, any dictator is better than a communist dictator and we had welcome to a war.

Remember one of the final lines to “We Were Soldiers” (the ltcol who was the father of AirCav tactics) “the Americans think they’ve won a great victory but they’ve just delayed the inevitable - at a cost of thousands of lives”? Don’t you think just maybe the S Vietnamese political situation, after many years of American involvement, isn’t all that dissimilar from Iraq’s today? With the possible exception that no one could be more corrupt than Ky or Thieu?

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Paul - yes…bad day. I’m surrounded by unconventional ignorance down here…some red neck brought in a stuffed real alligator for me to sell a few min. ago…it feels like hell here.

I was refering to the fact the RE asked a pretty forthright question and you nit-picked it to death with semantics…and you had to go through the earth’s atmosphere and the milky way to get there…you’re a smart guy…say what you mean, mean what you say, we’re fcked because we got in bed with fckers.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

I’m holding my breath, Muffin.

Iraq is not a democracy. It is anarchy, pure and simple. As soon as we leave, the so-called “government” will collapse, and al Maliki will be lucky to remain alive to celebrate his next birthday. Here’s a free lesson for the day: there are more forms of governance on this planet besides dictatorship and democracy. If you don’t know the difference between anarchy and democracy, I really can’t help you. I can only educate you to a degree, if you failed 5th grade, I really can’t be bothered to go that far back.

Again, how is South Central LA different from Iraq? Shade of combatants?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

-=-

Hee —-

Cheers`

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Part 2…

At approximately 6:45 p.m., Reginald Denny, a white truck driver stopped at a traffic light at the intersection of Florence and South Normandie Avenues, was dragged from his vehicle and severely beaten by a mob of black local residents as news helicopters hovered above, recording every blow, including a concrete fragment connecting with Denny’s temple and a cinder block thrown at his head as he lay unconscious in the street. The police never appeared, having been ordered to withdraw for their own safety, although several assailants were later arrested and one sent to prison.——->Instead, Denny was rescued, not by police officers, but by unarmed civilian black neighbors who, seeing the assault live on television, rushed to the scene.<——-

That does remind me a bit of what is going on in places like Anbar Province where Iraqi’s are fed up with Al Qaeda, but I doubt that is your point either.

And dang if this doesn’t remind me of AQ’s tactics, except this guy was lucky and didn’t get beheaded:

{{{At the same intersection, just minutes after Denny was rescued, another beating was captured on video tape. Fidel Lopez, a self-employed construction worker and Guatemalan immigrant, was ripped from his truck and robbed of nearly $2,000. A rioter smashed his forehead open with a car stereo as another rioter attempted to slice his ear off. After Lopez blacked out, the crowd spray painted his chest, torso and genitals black. Lopez survived the attack, after extensive surgery to reattach his partially severed ear and months of recovery.}}}

At least he didn’t get beheaded.

By getalife

August 22, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

The military in Iraq are talking about replacing the Iraq government with a new one.

They think democracy will not work there.

Ware, on CNN is reporting this fact.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

rushncap has no data to back up his assessment of iraq.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Wow, thanks for the part 2 there, Muffin. You conclusively proved your point, which I can only assume is “I have nothing to say to defend my point of view, so I’ll post something entirely irrelevant but vaguely racially inciting”.

BTW, dimwit, I was not talking about L.A. riots. I was talking about the Crips vs. Bloods wars. You’d know that if you bothered to realize that the riots did not take place in the “late ’80s - early ’90s”.

By Paul

August 22, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty

Just saying the definitions of “victory” (let alone objectives) have changed as the years have gone by. Just a fact of life and not at all unusual. Wasn’t commenting on right/wrong good/bad wise/unwise. I’ve said in the past there were valid geopolitical reasons for the effort - but that was then and this is now.

RE

Paragraph 1: good explanation. We can set up the conditions but not implement the necessary changes. Rather like being in a bad marriage - one party can stand on his head and it will make no difference in the attitude or actions of the spouse.

BTW - I saw Bill Maher on O’Reilly’s show the other night (okay, Maher’s now officially a neocon liar, can’t be believed, as he gives faux statements on Faux News - had to get that out of the way) and was frankly disappointed. He was asked his opinion on the Dem/Rep candidates and their positions on Iraq. He gave Sen Biden’s partitioning plan as likely the best option. When told “but won’t that require US troops for another 3-4 years?” he answered “I’m not up on the details.”

Amazingly shocking comment from someone who is a major commentator on the situation there. Give a sound bite, get asked to discuss the implications, give a dismissive cop-out. I really expected better from him.

raisedanidiot

You have my sympathy. Stuffed gators?!!? Wasn’t trying to nitpick the question - just pointed out that when you’re hit with a multiple part question and asked for an all or nothing response that’s one way to look at the answer. I answered that way once when I was called as a witness. Prosecution wasn’t happy (“Would you say this and this and this with no restrictions?”). It was kinda fun saying it with a serious face.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

You’re not big boned, lady, you’ve got the plague.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

{{{{Again, how is South Central LA different from Iraq? Shade of combatants?}}}

Munchkin,

Puhlease, child, do try to put on your thinking cap.

Are you saying that Los Angeles is like Iraq, or like Bagdad?

Is Los Angeles part of a thriving Democracy called the United States or is the whole country like one wretched part of Los Angeles where a bunch of idiot thugs run around killing eachother? Is that a “Civil War”?

We keep telling you that most of Iraq outside of the Sunni Triangle and Bagdad operates quite normally.

Moreover, since there haven’t been any riots in Los Angeles since 1992, then doesn’t that portend well for the future of Iraq?

By N-GA

August 22, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I often wonder why some people continually measure what is happening in Iraq in terms of victory or defeat. I think that debate ended when the USA invaded a sovereign nation claiming the right of pre-emption, only to discover that there were no WMD’s. And furthermore if there had been WMD’s, they did not present an imminent threat?

When these people talk about “victory”, what they really mean is “Pride”, and most of us know what Jesus would say about that.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Paul - I too think that dividing Iraq might be the best option. Will that require U.S. presence there for more time? Likely. But at least there will be a definite and concrete plan with a clear(er) end goals. I think Americans, me included, could support a troop commitment as long as there is a sense of “this is the goal, this is how we do it, and this is when we leave”. I think the reason the majority of Americans want to leave is that there is no plan, there is no point, and the overwhelming sentiment is that “Iraqis are killing each other now, they’ll continue to kill each other if we leave, so why leave our boys in the crossfire?”

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

There are bloggers over at Huffington’s blog who hack me everyday. It’s unreal. Word for word. I am without question, the most influential living writer.

Only Jon Stewart has more hacks.

Cool.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Muffin - I know what you keep telling me. Unfortunately you keep lying. Iraq is not normal. That’s like saying “outside of New England and the South America has not been bombed to hell, so it’s ok”. Even if what you’re saying is true, which it is not, you must be the kind of person to say “hey, except for your terminal cancer you’re doing pretty well!”.

Also, does South Central portend well for Iraq? Tell you what, take a stroll through there some weekend night, and let me know. Or have the next of kin post on this blog once the funeral arrangements have been taken care of.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Rushncap @ 6:01,

The Rodney King riots were in 1992 which any idiot knows means “early ’90s”. Sorry that I’m not a mind reader like you. Not.

The Bloods & the Crips are a bunch of murderous street thugs, but they do not have a plan to install a Caliphate in the State of California, nor to the best of my knowledge are they actively seeking WMDs, including nuclear devices, or planning to hijack jets and plow them into tall buildings.

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

SO Rush and Paul think that Iraq can be solved cartographically, (like after WW1).

Rush and Paul are like two unflushable turds in a synchronized, counter-clockwise dance, a sort of efluvic paso doble of morons.

retards. you couldn’t analyze a geo-political situation if you wore flag-festooned jockstraps.

I dont know what that means. Now I’m frightened.

By raisedanidiot

August 22, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

rushncap @6:08- THANK YOU!

“I think the reason the majority of Americans want to leave is that there is no plan, there is no point, and the overwhelming sentiment is that “Iraqis are killing each other now, they’ll continue to kill each other if we leave, so why leave our boys in the crossfire?”

finally, meaningful discussion and I’ve gotta close up. Well, you know where you can get your gator, folks…see ya!

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Why do you always accuse people you disagree with of “lying”? Projecting your own propensity to, err, stretch the truth?

I still don’t get your point, Munchkin. Are you saying we should cut and run from Los Angeles?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ha Again!

By Political Foreskin

August 22, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Iraq is an invention. It’s a man made perpetual-hate machine.

The only reason the civil war is 10K years old, is that man keeps inventing the reasons to hate.

Ethnic hate was good for a while, but you cant beat religious hate..

Outsiders have been trying to broker peace in Iraq for 10K years, which is another reason it’s never been settled once and for all.

Hate is good. I’ll say it again. Hate, for lack of a better word, is….GOOD! Hate works, hate breathes, hate motivates, hate pays.

Hate….is Good! Look at the money being made off the hate in Iraq. No bid contracts awarded to multiple incompetents.

Capitalism, without hate and war, is useless and would shrivel up to nothing.

We’d all be mule skinners and chimney sweeps without hate. (or war)

By Paul

August 22, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

rushncap

Another thing that bothers me about this - we’re looking at “solutions” in a volatile region with shifting realities. We push a partition, the Turks invade Kurdistan? The gov’t firms up (bear with me here) and tells the Saudis - control your people or face the consequences?

N-GA

I did not have your recommendations with me but did pick up a pleasant-for-a-warm-evening Sancerre rose’. Plus a few others. The fellow I spoke with was a Russian immigrant - 15 years or so ago - was a director in the Soviet wine import system - but that’s another story.

Finished Messiah - did like the underlying message. I thought the author must have had more than a passing exposure to Religious Science/Unity in his “Jesus” expositions. Did get to the crux of the matter, though. Didn’t see the situation with the “leader” and his wife at the end coming, though.

Victory and defeat - seem like static terms. There are so many permutations down the road that victory could lead to troubles and defeat could lead to some pretty fine opportunities.

I’m trying real hard not to get back on my “let’s do this and this so we won’t need Mideast oil” soapbox. And my “we leave, jihadists will still be a problem” soapbox.

Getting time to check the wine cooler -

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 22, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ha Again!

I guess the caption could read: “and I sold my soul to the company store!”

By Paul

August 22, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

Still smarting after I asked you to schedule a bris?

Partitioning wasn’t my idea - or Rush’s. If you’ll reread the post you’ll see it was raised by Senator Joseph Biden, Democratic candidate for President. And offered as a good option by Bill Maher.

Don’t be frightened until you hear the mohel say “who needs anesthesia?”

By Analchord

August 22, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

What if global warming was a virus that earth contracted by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars? We’ve caught the crabs nebula. That explains why E.T. was always scratching his balls.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Here is a story written in 2005 about Watts, entitled “War and Peace in Watts”.

“You see that field right there by the tracks?” he asks, pointing 50 feet away. “That used to be our Vietnam. That was the frontlines. That was the border between the Bounty Hunters and the PJs. There used to be weeds higher than me there, and we’d be sniping at them from our side and they’d be sniping at us from their side.”)

{{{But now that the PJs and Bounty Hunters are getting along, the weeds are gone, and so is the fear of gunfire.

“I sit in this garage and it’s a pleasure to see the people cross the tracks, crossing enemy lines. It’s like walking through a force field on Star Trek. Used to be you cross those tracks, you die. Now people walk back and forth.”}}}

So, if we are to stipulate for a minute that Los Angeles is like Bagdad, then do you want to just give up?

I would also suggest that we should employ some of the tactics we use in the Patriot Act to go after these gangs, but you all would squawk about that, so maybe you could give us a “plan” to end gang violence?

By Analchord

August 22, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Mark Twain said, “Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.”

He wasn’t joking, he was steamboating Al Gore!

What if global warming was a virus that earth contracted by exchanging heavenly-bodily fluids with Mars? That means we’ve caught the crabs Nebula. Now we know why E.T. was always scratching his balls, eh?

By N-GA

August 22, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve never had a rose’ from Sancerre. That region is generally noted for its Sauvignon Blanc. BTW, Monet was from that area. Let me know what you think of it. There are many pleasant rose’s…I enjoy Tavel.

“Messiah” is what it is…a socio-political novella intended to make a point about religious extremism American-style. More people should read it with an open mind. Rather than attack the idea that a religious government would enact draconian laws, they should try to understand why people of other faiths (or no faith) fear having their “rights” obliterated by religious dogma.

Amen!

By AmVet

August 22, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

{I view Gen Batiste and several of the other general officer critics as part of the group responsible for the debacle we find ourselves in today.}

And that is a very good point Paul.

And I think that this “finding redemption after getting out” is part of the knock against Kerry and others. Even if it isn’t true.

Either political extreme can find some reason to use someone’s military experience for them as well as against them. (i.e. Bush only served stateside in the ANG.)

Get out and make a real difference if you must though. This guy did.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Paul — I doubt Turkey will invade Kurdistan, especially if we have at least some troops there for a couple years.

Muffin — do you even know what you are typing up any more? I brought up South Central because it’s basically an unruly gangland, and said that Iraq is no more a “democracy” than the leadership of street gangs in that area. That was the extent of my analogy. You have taken it in every way except for the one in which it was supposed to be taken.

You’re not a mind reader, I agree, Muff. You’re not much of a reader, period. Live with that.

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Muffin, I have no idea why you’re talking about the L.A. riots, I have no interest in discussing it with you, so shut the hell up or find someone who wants to know what you think about the matter. Oh, and learn to post links.

By N-GA

August 22, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Paul

One thing people avoid discussing on this blog is the idea of a pre-emptive attack. Why do Americans call the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor cowardly, yet find no problem with attacking Iraq without direct provocation?

And why are there no consequences when the basis for the pre-emptive attack is found to be baseless?

By Paul

August 22, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

N-GA

It’s one to drink when bought. Doesn’t keep well at all. Funny you mentioned Monet - my last post I thought it would be good to watch Moulin Rouge while drinking it. Nicole Kidman’s performance has no bearing whatsoever…

I spent hours at the old Impressionist museum in Paris - so much nicer than the replacement -

Live and let live. Seek your own way. Whatever works for you, fine. Completely at odds with some dogmatists (ever notice “Dogma” is “am God” spelled backwards?).

By RW-(the original)

August 22, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

Good question N-GA. Why wasn’t there any squawking from your ilk about our pre-emptive attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo? They certainly hadn’t provoked us and the reasons given turned out to be at least as baseless as those justifications for Iraq.

Besides, Iraq and the US were already in a state of war and supposedly in a cease fire. Saddam was violating that cease fire every day for eleven years before we “rushed” to war. They were using a corrupt UN program, Oil For Food, to amass cash and eroding the sanctions against them at an alarming rate. The status quo would have been disastrous.

RE,

Since we don’t go to war to conquer other lands our wars successes and failures always rely on the actions of a foreign government, just to different extents in different wars.

By AmVet

August 22, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

N-GA, I see your point, but I would presume that your died-in-the-wool Bush fan would contend that the “justifiable” difference is that we gave the Iraqis obvious and repeated notice that shock and awe was coming.

If it was partially predicated on numerous lies, is merely secondary or maybe even matters not to Mssrs. Bush, Cheney et al.

By AmVet

August 22, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

Hey just to end this beastly hot day up on a lighter note that we can ALL agree on:

I went to a customer of mine this afternoon and he told me that he heard on the radio that there was a company in Philadelphia that wanted 1000 terrorists before they’d take one American.

As this business owner is an older ex-Navy man, I thought is it possible he’s pulling my leg?

So after a moment, I asked him what kind of company is that?

He replied, a funeral home.

I laughed out loud and said damn straight!

By rushncap

August 22, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

No, Stalker, the Bosnia action was not preemptive war. No, it was not baseless. I’ve slapped you down with this before, you should learn from your mistake. Don’t make me keep rubbing your snout in your wet spot over and over.

By Buy Danish

August 22, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Jeez, rushncap’s paper girlfriend must not be working the old magic. How else to explain his bursts of anger?

Munchkin,

Learn to post links? Like you who never link to anything to support your claims and then have the effrontery to say that “you won’t do my research for me” when you’re challenged on your non-existent facts, like your fantasy that Karl Rove is behind the Iraq War?

Here’s my link one more time. It’s about gangs.

Happy?