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Made in China

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 09:14 PM

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By Anonymous

August 15, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I wonder if this cartoon is “disrespectful of elves” for portraying them… or if Luckovich is “living out a liberal fantasy” by killing Santa.

It’s always fun to predict the same tiresome screeching from the far-right nuts that infests this blog every day. Stand by for the irrelevance!

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Oh no — not Santa! What will we tell the children? Our American manufacturers sold out to China and now there’s no more Santa? Oh no!

After he resigns from Congress, maybe Dennis “Fat B*******” Hastert can take Santa’s place as part of his penance to America…

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 15, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

There is something to be said for a smaller, humbler, apparently safer handmade Christmas.

Time to dust off the old Singer!

By B.P.O.E.

August 15, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

You just don’t get it do you Anonymous?

We’re fighting Santa over there so we don’t have to fight him over here. Those elves have been living under a brutal dictatorship for thousands of years. Santa has been entering this country UNDOCUMENTED for years.

This situation is crying out for a surge.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

If this isn’t proof positive of how petty, vindictive and nasty liberals are, nothing is:

{{{{Workers operating on CIA computers have been spotted editing Wikipedia entries including the biography of former presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon. And somebody from a computer traced to Democrat HQ edited a page on conservative American radio host Rush Limbaugh, calling him “idiotic”, “ridiculous” and labelling his 20 million listeners as “legally retarded”.}}}}

liberals are just ate up with hate.

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Winning hearts and minds and recruiting some more fighters…for our side:

{{{{BAGHDAD (AP) - Four suicide bombers hit Kurdish Yazidi communities with nearly simultaneous attacks on Tuesday, killing at least 175 people and wounding 200 others, said Iraqi military and local officials in northwest Iraq. “This is a terrorist act and the people targeted are poor Yazidis who have nothing to do with the armed conflict,” Qassim said. “Al-Qaida fighters are very active in this area near the Syrian border.”}}}}

These things make you libs happy and they make Iraqis mad.

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{{{{King Karl is the man that liberals love to hate; a lot. Just last week, an inane video featuring yet another failed Seinfelder, Jason Alexander, was released. This dreary effort—featuring Alexander as “Rovemort” and spoofing, among other things, Rush Limbaugh’s hearing loss—epitomizes the reason why liberals, in addition to their depressing and soul-stealing agenda, are just not funny.}}}}

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{{{{Hispanics commend Cobb’s ‘courage’ Hispanic leaders praised the Cobb County Commission on Tuesday for quashing a proposal that would have restricted the hiring of day laborers, but they said there’s still work to be done to prevent discrimination against Spanish-speaking immigrants.}}}}

“Courage” for breaking the law? “Discrimination” for enforcing the law?

Geez.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

We should have known. After all, Rudolph’s nose is RED.

Now we know why americans are ready to celebrate Xmas again so soon (1 hour) after it’s over.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Maybe the right-wingnut trolls will stop using Wikipedia as a source for posting their Neo-con propaganda… HA! Anyone who’s been paying any attention for the past 2 years knows that Wiki has always been unreliable. Yawn…

By ron

August 15, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Doing business with the Chinese is such a lovely thing.They are so trustworthy.If there's a way to do it illegally,you can trust them to find it.They're not solely to blame though,they're in cahoots with some American business.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

{{{{Workers operating on CIA computers have been spotted editing Wikipedia entries including the biography of former presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.}}}}

Check this out, liberals in the CIA goofing off on their computers, neglecting America’s national security so that they can act out on their mindless stupid hate rage of America and Republicans.

Gosh, I wonder if they’d ever accuse a Republican of “outing” one of them or maybe falsify evidence of Iraq shopping for uranium to make a Conservative President look bad?

It doesn’t seem like that would be beneath them.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

FOX NEWS CAUGHT EDITING WIKIPEDIA

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Good morning all! I’m with you, Mrs. G. If you are good at your craft, home made presents can be so much better and as you said a lot safer than the Made in China variety. Many of the gifts I give are home made :-)

B.P.O.E. - LOL, so much humor at such an early hour.

The China Syndrome we have going on is very disturbing. I think it is about time that we wake up to the cheap crap that has been coming into our country for years. Just think a minute about Happy Meal (or the equivalent) toys. Those are a very good example of the multi-layered problem this represents. First you have a cheap pos toy that your kids can choke on or you wind up stepping on in the middle of the night. Second, our kids think that eating should be accompanied by a present, and third, our children are morbidly obese because they’ve been turned into Pavlov’s dog and cry for more fast food (and toys). I think the whole Happy Meal phenomenon has been quite devastating to the health of our children.

The food we eat is disgusting. If you wonder out of the produce section of the supermarket (and sometimes that can be just as bad), you are surrounded by a chemistry lab. And we are surprised at the health problems we have in this country?

But isn’t the China Syndrome also a symptom of how our economy is on borrowed time? Another example would be the housing market. It just seems to me, in my opinion, that people who say our economy is good are like those who think they have a lot of money because they have 15 credit cards.

By B.P.O.E.

August 15, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

You people just don’t get it!

Do you realize Santa smuggled 1,250,000 BB guns, 10,837,222 plastic grenades and 22,994,000 Hasbro A-80 machine guns and 5,527,990 bow and arrow sets into this country last year! We have proof that he has a base at the North Pole where these WMD’s are being produced!

Have you not heard of the war on Christmas????????

By moonbat betty

August 15, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, luckovitch!

I guess Christmas is cancelled this year? Yeaaaaaaah!!

Maybe the murderous neocon kids won’t get their guns, grenades and crossbows. We’ll just knit them some mittens.

Thanks for bringing out a big smile on my face this morning:) Made my day, thank you!

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

ITN, Well, they have the right to do that just like anyone else. That’s why Wikipedia isn’t reliable, not because Fox News is editing it, but it could be edited by the Neo-Nazis, KKK members, MoveOn, Code Pink, some serial killer whose in prison in Vermont, anybody, environmental terrorists, get my point? Far left, far right, insane, mentally disturbed, whoever.

I like Wikipedia for looking up really simple things, notice I said, really simple things, like dates, and names, but I never use it for a basis for theory. Websites, in general, are very dangerous to use for that purpose.

I had a doctor (my son’s pediatrician) tell me once a long time ago that anything you read in popular media is not reliable information. The further the information is from the original or primary source, the less valid or reliable the information.

By B.P.O.E.

August 15, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Of course if we want to take control of the situation we must do whatever is necessary. We have to end the terror. Santa is very very evil. His reign must end.

Yes. That is correct. I’m sorry. Its so sad. We have to do it. The tooth Fairy whispered into my ear one night. There are big mushrooms.

We must kill the Easter Bunny.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: depict Santa as a $7.99 doggie chew toy being ravaged by a pitbull with an audience made up of soccor moms cheering the dog on.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Just wondering…Did Santa commit suicide or did the elves off him for outsourcing?

GoldieDenier,

To give you an idea of how YOUR side operates, Kirsten Power’s Wiki entries are a perfect example of how you eat your own.

Kirsten is a fellow Democrat, but she is not a vitriolic, deranged, Left wing, Stalinist, fanatic like ML’s Moonbats, and for that she deserves retribution!

Here is the present entry which has been scrubbed of “offensive” comments like these that I captured from screen shots. Some excerpts:

On 1/29/07 it said this -

“Kirsten A. Powers is a lapdog…Powers is a joke of a political analyst on Fox News…They must be paying her oodles for her to agree so obsequiously with BillO and his minions.”

Also on 1/29 at a different hour of the day it said this -

“Since 2004 Powers has been a commentator on political issues from a fake Democratic perspective for Fox News…If Powers is a Democrat, then the party has certainly lost its soul”

On 1/30 it said this -

“Kirsten A. Powers is a prominent American columnist…A prominent columnist? Who wrote this stuff? Kirsten? Her mother? Her boyfriend? She’s prominent only in the figment of Fox News’imagination. Let’s face it. She was hired for looks and for providing the kid of balance Fox likes: Far right balanced by less right. For example it was a shameful display on BOR’s show, Jan 29, 2007, when she agreed that the tens of thousands of ordinary Americans who demonstrated in DC against the war were “far-left loons”…

Get the picture GoldieDim?

CC: DUH

By Rummy Dummy

August 15, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

My kids licked Thomas the tank engine.

Now they are brain damaged.

Declare chinese toymakers terrorists.

Bomb China.

Problem solved.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

{First you have a cheap pos toy that your kids can choke on or you wind up stepping on in the middle of the night. Second, our kids think that eating should be accompanied by a present, and third, our children are morbidly obese because they’ve been turned into Pavlov’s dog and cry for more fast food (and toys). I think the whole Happy Meal phenomenon has been quite}

Bawling Bosch,

Here’s a revolutionary idea for you - fasten your seat belt because this is going to knock you for a loop!:

If you don’t like McDonalds…Don’t go there! You can CHOOSE to eat there or CHOOSE not to, and NO ONE is forcing you or your children to go there.

You are so welcome for this friendly advice.

By @@

August 15, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

‘Ya could have done better ml. Rather ho hum today.

A child’s first line of defense is their parents, and parents are failing their children in so many ways.

Recently I was at my neighbors. Her grandchildren were visiting with their Mom, the daughter-in-law. The girls were making an imaginary meal. They served me a salad of yard debris. I put a spoonful in my mouth, made a yucky face and told them they needed some cooking lessons.

They giggled and laughed hysterically, then told me I wasn’t supposed to eat it. Their Mom had a fit telling me that now they would be putting stuff in their mouth that they shouldn’t.

I guess she missed the part where her girls were smart enough to know better.

A child’s curiosity allows them to learn. Know the dangers, but encourage their curiosity.

By Rummy Dummy

August 15, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Mom was supposed to know the fisher price toy was made with lead paint.

Faulty incoming testing

Declare mom a terrorist

Bomb the kitchen

By w00t

August 15, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Danish-DUH @ 9:10—

Ain’t it great that we still live in a pro-choice country like America? We’re all so blessed to have the choice to control our own bodies.

By @@

August 15, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Here’s some dangerous “toys” that kill adults and children, but the liberals never question them.

(((In the wake of Hurricane Betsy, which struck New Orleans in 1965, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed building flood gates on Lake Pontchartrain, like those in the Netherlands that protect cities from North Sea storms. In 1977, the gates were about to be built, but the Environmental Defense Fund and Save Our Wetlands sought a court injunction to block the project.)))

According to John Berlau’s recent book, “Eco-Freaks: Environmentalism is Hazardous to Your Health,” U.S. Attorney Gerald Gallinghouse told the court that not building the gates could kill thousands of New Orleanians. Judge Charles Schwartz issued the injunction despite the evidence refuting claims of environmental damage.

Oh no, the Twin Towers and our naval vessels too?

(((In 2001, thousands of Americans perished in the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. In the early 1970s, when the World Trade Center complex was built, the asbestos scare had just begun. The builders planned to use AsbestoSpray, a flame retardant that adhered to steel. The New York Port of Authority caved in to the environmentalists’ asbestos scare and denied its use. An inferior substitute was used as fireproofing.)))

(((After the attack, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) confirmed other experts’ concerns about asbestos substitutes, concluding, “Even with the airplane impact and jet-fuel-ignited multi-floor fires, which were not normal building fires, the building would likely not have collapsed had it not been for the fireproofing.”)))

By moonbat betty

August 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

My kid busted open a Stretch Armstrong once and made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Now I’m a millionaire.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

Thanks for that link to practical joker, err, joke, err, Dem Senatorial Candidate, Al Franken. You learn something new every day, like this:

Apology to Attorney General and conservative leaders

{{{In June of 2003, Franken wrote a letter to then Attorney General John Ashcroft asking for a contribution to a serious book Franken was supposedly writing on abstinence programs in the public school system. In the letter, Franken asked the Attorney General to “share a moment when you were tempted to have sex, but were able to overcome your urges through willpower and strength of character…” and stated that other conservative leaders (HHS secretary Tommy Thompson, William J. Bennett, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, Senator Rick Santorum and then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice) had already submitted their testimonies.

The letter was written on letterhead from the Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics, and Public Policy at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government where Franken was a Fellow at the time.

In truth, Franken was not working on a serious book about abstinence nor had he received testimony from any of the people he mentioned.

The following month Franken wrote a letter of apology to Ashcroft in which he told the truth about the subject matter of his book, the purpose of his orignal letter to the Attorney General, and apologized to the conservative leaders he lied about in his original letter.}}}

By Rummy Dummy

August 15, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Fast foods are full of junk

It’s making our kids fat

Declare junk food terrorists

Bomb Ronald McDonald

By Bill

August 15, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Depict santa as a $7.99 doggie chew toy being ravaged by a pitbull with an audience of soccor moms cheering the “dogfight”.

That gag covers so much ground, it makes my head spin.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie

August 15, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Danish-DUH @ 9:10—

Ain’t it great that we still live in a pro-choice country like America? We’re all so blessed to have the choice to control our own bodies}}}

SAY WHAT? From Happy Meals (BAD!!!!!) to abortion (GOOD!!!!)

That just about sums up the “logic” and “ethics” of Moonbats like Goldie who get hysterical over “Happy Meals” but have no qualms whatsoever about abortion.

Oh well, the truth is a wonderful thing to behold.

@@,

The hysterical enviromental wackos are also responsible for the deaths of the Shuttle astronauts.

Later…

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Where in my post did I say that I DO eat at McDonalds? I have eaten there before, but I don’t make eating fast food a habit like so many. So, what’s your opinion of the whole Happy Meal toy phenomenon? The MADE IN CHINA syndrome?

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Rush Limbaugh For The Nobel Peace Prize by John Berlau

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Oops, make that “enviroNmental”. Although, thanks to that typo, Inoticed that “mental” is part of the word “environmental”. How apt.

Enviromentals indeed.

Gone!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Hey, they should like, you know, make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of Santa, man.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

@@, Funny story. Sometimes parents are just too uptight to have kids.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Post continued - I hit Post by mistake before I had completed my comment to idiot meddling Bosch.

Bosch,

EVERYONE has a choice not to go to McDonalds.

And everyone has a right to make a fool of themselves like you do every freaking day.

By Sadie

August 15, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

My little eight year old nephew asked Santa for an Easy Bake Oven last year.

So we enrolled him in James Dobson’s Focus on the Family “Gay Child Conversion Therapy.” He had his final exam last week, (the shower with him part) so we should know the results soon.

Billy has a birthday next week. We pray each and every day that little Billy does not ask for that new Disney Princess outfit. (Does Disney know the problems this outfit can cause families? Can you say Disney Boycott??)

Either way he’s getting that Wal-Mart John Smoltz autograghed baseball glove from me.

Santa Claus is OK as long as you don’t use him for evil.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

So Buy Danish, Do you have an opinion about anything we’re discussing today other than you think I’m an idiot?

By @@

August 15, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Bosch:

Have you ever stopped to think that the more blame and responsibility you place on outside contributors, the less responsibility parents are willing to assume for their children?

There’s money to be made in lawsuits, but the value, responsibility, and “potential” of a child is immeasurable.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Danish-DUH @ 9:26— no one’s mentioned abortion but YOU. I simply expressed thankful-ness that we still have CHOICES about controlling our bodies in America. Not every country has those choices.

DUH-troll!

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

{{Do you have an opinion about anything we’re discussing today other than you think I’m an idiot?}}

Bosch @ 9:37 — you’ve summed up very succinctly what Danish-DUH’s contributions to this blog amount to, every single time he/she posts… very boring.

By Rummy Dummy

August 15, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Parents unable to protect kids from outside contributors.

Outside contributors use paint with lead.

Declare parents terrorists

Bomb the master bedroom.

By luckovichisaheadcase

August 15, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

This is really funny. However, the irony is not lost on me. Luckovich killed off the hero of all liberals, as they most surely believe in Santa as they think that money grows on trees and that people should receive all they want or need just ‘because’.

By Rummy Dummy

August 15, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Luckovich ticks off Neo cons

Neo cons have visions of world domination.

Declare Luckovich a terrorist

Bomb Luckovich

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Duh: The people who changed the Wiki posts, how do you know they were liberals? Did they wear their “Vote For Al Gore” buttons that day?

BD - [To give you an idea of how YOUR side operates, Kirsten Power’s Wiki entries are a perfect example of how you eat your own.]

Heard any nice words about Newt lately? What about McCain?

Bosch - [The China Syndrome we have going on is very disturbing. I think it is about time that we wake up to the cheap crap that has been coming into our country for years]

You know as well as I do that the US can’t demand ANYTHING from China ‘cause if they do, China will call in their loans. They’ll make an offer we can’t refuse.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

@@, Yes, I have thought of that and I agree with you on that.

But many people don’t. I think that’s the problem, @@, many people just don’t think. They wonder through life like sheep who get lost in what is convenient instead of what is best for them.

I hate to see frivilous lawsuits just like anyone else. The other Bosch used to work for DFACS, and many of the clients talked about how they were waiting for “their lawsuit.” Trash. Wasn’t there someone not too long ago who sued McDonalds because she was fat? That’s just completely absurd. I would love to have been the judge in that case.

I also think too many people just don’t take responsibility for things and pass it off on some one else, and are afraid to admit they are wrong or make mistakes.

I also see alot of parents who can’t stand it if they think their child isn’t the absolute best at EVERYTHING. That’s very frustrating. I encourage my kids to do their best and as long as they do their best, that is okay with me - and if they make a mistake, they need to own it and not try to pass it on.

By mm

August 15, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

You rightwing pieces of crap. The parents aren’t failing the kids. American corporations are.

I keep hearing in the media how Americans are hooked on Chinese products. Americans aren’t hooked, American corporations are. Americans have no choice because most everything on store shelves is made in China.

America sold its soul. We are now getting what we paid for.

American corporations have seen their manufacturing costs go down while their prices remain the same. Profits rise dramatically.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Thanks Goldie -

DDR,
There are other forms of terrorism than just blowing up a building.

BUT, as Buy Danish said, we have a choice in what we eat and what we buy. The Chinese government can’t MAKE us buy and eat the crap they send over.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

If the toys and dog food from china are so dangerous, then imagine how dangerous a chinese-made Taser would be.

They should make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of a figurine of Chairman Mao, man.

Lucko should have explored the different methods of a Santa suicide to really go 4 the yuks here. The real toy czar was hanged by chinese cia thugs who staged the suicide, obviously. It’s going to take a long time for any chinese toys to make their way back into the US trust and revenue stream.

Funny how the only toy not recalled by Mattel was the chinese made toy model of the Space Shuttle. (New definition of Irony)

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

{{{{Given her sorry record of cheerleading the emergence of a new military-industrial complex, do we not have a right, indeed an obligation, to question Clinton’s commitment to creating a more peaceful world? Don’t say that we weren’t warned if a President Hillary Clinton further imperils our world, as she has clearly positioned herself as the leading hawk in the Democratic field. What other reason was there for first blasting Obama for daring to state that he would meet with foreign leaders whom President Bush has branded as sworn enemies, and then for the attack on Obama’s very sensible statement that it would be “a profound mistake” to use nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Afghanistan, in the attempt to eliminate bin Laden? Pundits for the National Review, the Weekly Standard and other pro-war outlets have come to applaud Hillary. A host of political scientists and other campaign hustlers have also approved this image makeover; as a recent Boston Globe headline put it, “Tough talk drives Clinton effort: National security stance seen adding to image of strength.}}}}

So when is Chelsea going to join the army?

By lucovichisaheadcase

August 15, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is really funny, but Lucko has killed off the hero of all liberals, Santa. That’s the very incarnation of the federal government to them!!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

The dingo what kilt your Santa.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I won’t be around until much later, but I would like to pick up our discussion. If you would go ahead and link to the polling data that says 70% of Americans are crazed loopy moonbat(ic)s® that agree with you on the issues of the day it would be a good starting point.

Thank you in advance!

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Iranian Unit to Be Labeled ‘Terrorist’

U.S. Moving Against Revolutionary Guard

Send your kids to Canada wingnuts, there is a draft coming.

Geez.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

They should make a doggie chew toy out of the revolutionary guard, man.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Government Spy Satellites To Be Used On Americans

Geez.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

{{{{By DebbieDoRight August 15, 2007 10:07 AM Duh: The people who changed the Wiki posts, how do you know they were liberals? Did they wear their “Vote For Al Gore” buttons that day?}}}}

Boy, I’ll bet you were a real bright student in school or did you even attend?:

{{{{Workers operating on CIA computers have been spotted editing Wikipedia entries including the biography of former presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.}}}}

Let’s see here, the CIA missed 9/11, missed the fall of the Soviet Union, missed Saddam Hussein moving his weapons of mass destruction to Syria before the war, falsified evidence against the United States national security policy, lied to a grand jury about their covert status, oh, I’m really sure they were editing Richard Nixon’s profile to say what a great guy he was.

Duh.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

RW, Where did I say that? Thanks in advance.

But if you want to ask me a specific question, I’ll be more than happy to oblige your request. But if you persist in petty child play, then maybe you need to move on to the golf range.

I fully admitted yesterday that I was speaking in general terms. And I have no idea where you pulled the 70% out from.

If you would like to have an adult discussion, I’ve given you plenty of options to talk about.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

“Bush retreats back to Crawford — the 2007 edition

The president, firm in his resolve against “al Qaeda in Iraq,” heads toward another August break in Crawford with another year of failure and cynical employment of terrorist threats under his belt.”

Mmmm, I have a very strong feeling of deja vu.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Hey! What if the $7.99 doggie chew toy itself was made in China? Then the dog would be F’d.

Is nothing sacred? I’m a Catholic. are our communion wafers made in China? I’ll bet they are. What about the sacrificial wine? OMG!! and the incense? Just what are we breathing into our very souls?

I demand an investigation!

They should make a doggie chew toy out of the pope, man. (Excommunication 4 me.)

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

RW @ 10:32 — Bosch was really being generous to you, if he had posted that only 70% of Americans agree with the Dems’ issues (especially re: the occupation of Iraq being THE biggest issue of American voters)… lots of poll data out there for you, RW, if for once you would take the time to even look.

[ACTUALLY, the latest Wall St. Journal poll shows that 72% of Americans disagree with how your guy Bush is handling the occupation of Iraq:]#(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070801NBC-WSJFull.pdf)

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Fired U.S. Attorneys: Were There Others?

By getalife

August 15, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Told ya wingnuts are terrorists who should be in Gitmo

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Kucinich office vandalized after gay rights debate

By Paul

August 15, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bosch @@ Buy Danish

I won’t be in much today, but if you’d like to take the food/McDonald’s idea on a different tack - Google ‘crop price supports encourage obesity’ - it had a bit of discussion before our Democratic Congress followed the same path as the Republican Congress.

They continued to subsidize less than half a dozen crops, for agribusiness, for wealthier than the average US household farmers - with the unintended consequence it keeps prices for the primary ingredients for “junk food” (1/3 of avg American’s caloric intake) artificially low.

Result: calorie for calorie, junk food is much cheaper than say, fresh fruits, veges, nonprocessed (to that extent) foods. Guess which people with lower than average incomes buy? Then along comes the weight gain, the associated health problems,

and when the single-payer countrywide universal, on demand health care system kicks in…

guess who’s gonna pay for it? All of us. Thousands of dollars. Except probably the half of the population who won’t have to contribute.

Gotta run -

Link: How US Farm Policy Contributes to Obesity

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Duh: As soon as the drunk twins join.

Bosch - [DDR,There are other forms of terrorism than just blowing up a building. BUT, as Buy Danish said, we have a choice in what we eat and what we buy. The Chinese government can’t MAKE us buy and eat the crap they send over.]

True; but what I was referring to was the billions of dollars that we owe China — we can’t demand that they comply with the simplest of compliance regulations, because they can call in our loans.

Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh Sounds Alarm on Debt and Dependency.” … “”There is no question that our indebtedness to China weakens America’s hand,” Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., told ABC News. “Our negotiating leverage with China on trade issues and Iran is severely limited by the amount of debt they hold.”” …

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I didn’t post that 70% number, RW pulled it out of a hat somewhere.

Here’s my post yesterday at 12:37

“I think like an American all the time, I have the right to disagree with my government and express my opinions even if they don’t like it - and also accept the fact that there are many who disagree with me about my opinions (although the polls are tipped in my favor right now).”

To put into context, I was commenting to @@ where she had earlier posted “Think like an American in philosophical terms.”

That’s really all there is to it.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Patreaus will be VERY UPBEAT in his report, but he will caution that much “HARD WORK” lay ahead and that he needs more time and the stupid americans will go, “He said ‘hard work’ wow oh golly gosh that must mean something good is happening so we should just let him do his hard work, cause hard work is sacred no doubt.”

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Dear God, We Really Are Going to War With Iran

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

OK— no direct link to the specific poll data— try this other link instead… it doesn’t go directly to the details of the poll (specifically look at PAGE 5 of the poll, RW).

You’ll need to scroll down a little on the first page of the article to get to the link to the poll data (on the right-side of the article):

RW and others can see that 72% of American voters disagree with Bush’s occupation of Iraq— look at PAGE 5 of the poll:

… (hoping the link works this time — whew!)

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

{{Goldie, I didn’t post that 70% number, RW pulled it out of a hat somewhere.}}

Bosch @ 11:11— I do believe that RW has some kinda crush on you! Too, too funny that he keeps trying to engage YOU each day… I hope you remembered to comb your hair nice for him this morning!

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Bosch: When I graduated from College I had a bright shiny deegree in social work, I moved to Albany, GA and started my career at DFACS. After 3 years I was worn out. I couldn’t take it anymore — the work was debilitating, sad, and never ending; I couldn’t see where I made a difference. I’d call my mother sometimes at 2 a.m. just to talk about the cases I had. Some of them were so bad, that even now, to this day I can still see some of my former clients’ faces in my dreams.

So I quit my job, moved back to Atlanta and I’m now working towards a law degree. I would like a job at the Children’s Defense Fund, (I’m currently working as a Legal Associate [read that as an over educated Paralegal], for a firm that deals with tax law — Hey, at least it’s better than working for DFACS!)

Just thought I’d give a shout out to a survivor of DFACS too.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

actually Bosch, he pulled it out of the same place he gets most of his stupid crap - out of his a@@.

He and Rush are surely soul mates.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Losing two occupations and now WWIII starting with Iran.

This is a clear case for preemptive impeachment to stop the madness.

Unless you want the draft.

Geez.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Goldie, There’s also all this too -

Polling Report.com which has many, many opinion polls.

You know, RW, if you want to, we could pick one of those opinion polls and see if my opinions fall into the majority. That would be a little more simple. What do you think?

By Bill

August 15, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Debbie, where do you go to law school at night? Do you take a full course? Or is it one class at a time and how long will it take?

Not stalking you, just considering the law school option. Can you imagine me with a law degree?

ALmost criminal.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Goldie, Actually, I woke up late and forgot to brush my hair. I didn’t wash it either. Maybe if I slick it down with some spit.

DDR, The other Bosch realized a job change was in order when our purchases at the liquor store were the equivalent of some of our utility bills - teaching is a much better profession (which the other Bosch is now).

Midori, Hello! I just don’t know why RW hates me so much. He hates you too, right? Have you got any friendly advice? It bothers me when people hate me.

I’ve got to run to a meeting for now!

Be back later.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Unfit for Commander in Chief

By bon scott

August 15, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Lessee…. the Bushies are contemplating a three front war (Iraq, Iran, North Korea) utilizing an armed force that’s about 1/3 the size of the one we used in Vietnam. Oh, make it a 4 front war, or even 5. No sense leaving Pakistan and Afghanistan miss out on all the fun!

getalife, you’re right. Male American residents aged 18-45 had better embark on an intense physical training program. And laminate those draft cadrs! They look so shoddy when they’re worn at the corners.

Might as well get combat age women involved. M-16s and their acessories aren’t that heavy, even with a dozen extra clips.

5 fronts! Lil’ Bush’s dad would be soooo proud!

We want or cannon fodder to be in the finest shape imaginable.

Weeeeeeeehaaaahhhhhh!

By Sally G.

August 15, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

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The peacock. It’s satan. It’s an angel. It refused to bow to man.

The kurds want the yazidi cult included in their numbahs.

Yazidi. Learn about what Bush has unleashed upon the world, my fine friends. Learn. Google. Be. Read. Know.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

bon scott

Where do you get your impressions? Last I heard, the multilateral talks (not bilateral, as many here demanded) with N Korea have led to UN involvement and the likelihood the nuc reactors will be deactivated. And that’s why we’re going to war with N Korea?

Our armed force is about 1/3 the size of the one we used in Vietnam? Really?!!? Do you mean in-country or total force? Army/Marines or AF and Navy, too?

Vietnam: same time as Cold War. Lotsa troops in Germany. Iraq: Cold War’s over. We need as many troops, why?

We still have 3/4 million Army folks, about 2.6 million including Guard, Reserves. And with that (discounting Marines) we can’t field 160,000 in Iraq? Sounds pretty flaky to me.

Here’s a good article from a couple years’ back that addresses the issue. The numbers may have changed but the concepts haven’t: generals wedded to the status quo and politicians wedded to… being politicians and playing general.

Oh, and a “larger Army” just might encourage the adventurism you seem so concerned about -

Link: Army size: Congress knows best

By Midori

August 15, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch - only advice I can give is to wear his hatred like a badge of honor.

You really don’t want to be in league with and friends with such a sorry low life, do you?

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Bill I’m going to Mercer 2 days a week; paid for by my employer who thinks I want to become a tax attorney; (shiver, shiver, feeling of dread), when I graduate and have already fast tracked me in for an upcoming position in their Denver Office upon completion (successful completion) of law school.

Although I am also taking economics classes, (online), there is NO WAY I wanna become a tax attorney — there is nothing, NOTHING on earth as boring as a tax attorney. I’m sitting in a deposition right now with the lead from my firm, our client and the Federal Government — the only reason I’m not fast asleep now is because I’m blogging on this blog.

I’m waiting for someone to start an argument with me so that I can at least stay awake until they call a break. Anyone wanna start with me? Anyone….??? Please……??!!!

PS: The best part is that if you’re attached to a good firm you get to travel a LOT. It seems there are a LOT of people who have some serious tax problems with the government out there. Go figure.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Bill — Ooops I guess I didn’t fully answer your question!! I don’t go to school at night. I have day classes. Sorry.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

nevermind

By Paul

August 15, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight 12:08

Good tax attorneys make WAY more than special interest public defense types. Starry-eyed optimism and altruism will give way to burnout, cynicism and high credit card balances. Plus a return to night school to get the accreditation in the latest tax courses. Save some time, bow to the inevitable and go the tax route.

You’ll need a much, much higher income to have anything left for yourself once the Dems take Congress and the White House and increase taxes so they can give it to special interests.

Awake now? I’m runnin’ and duckin’ !!

By getalife

August 15, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Hey bon,

Looks like they do want the rapture. They probably know they can’t solve all the problems they caused, so they will go all in.

I feel bad for the young folks, they are in for a rude awakening.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

DDR,

Maybe this will keep you awake -

Don’t you feel in the least bit guilty that you are intentionally scamming your employer by letting them pay for your education at Mercer under false pretenses (not to mention blogging instead of working)?

AND

You think the fact that fellow Dems sabotage Kirsten Power’s Wiki site is somehow comparable to the fact that not all Republicans agree with Newt?

Say what? Has Newt’s Wiki site been sabotaged by fellow Republicans? There is no way that that would happen, but sadly the reverse is oh so true for Stalinist Libs who just can’t stand anyone who doesn’t walk in lockstep with the hard Left like they do.

The thought of you being a lawyer is truly frightening.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

DDR,

I forgot to add - if you really hate being a tax lawyer, support the Fair Tax and no one will have a need for your services anymore anyway.

later…

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Paul: Sigh…My mother said the same thing!!! But God in Heaven I hope I can avoid a permanent life as a tax attorney!!!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Oh Boy! A law degree! I’m very capable of getting one easily. I could! I could!

Then I will get a lobbying job ……

Google Yazidi.

You people need to keep up.

I SAID KEEP UP!

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoWrong…

Let’s see… A degree in Social Work (translation = lives off the work of others, sticks her noses into other people business)

Worked for DFACS (translation = stick her nose into other people business, puts children at risk)

Ran home and called mommy (translation = spineless, cannot deal with reality, needs her mommy to face the real world)

Studying to be a lawyer at her employers expense (translation = freeloader, cannot or refuses to pay her own way)

Fast track to a position in Denver as a tax attorney, NO WAY I wanna become a tax attorney (translation = lied to her employer to get a free education, unable to tell the truth to someone who is helping her, LYING FREELOADER)

So you have now admitted to being a busybody, a liar, a thief and someone who will not disclose her true agenda.

Yep, DebbieDoWrong is the poster child for the Democrats.

I’ll bet your mama is real proud of you too.

By Nomad

August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Ya’ll read it hear first DDR finally admits to being a liar.

Go Figure.

Nomad

By getalife

August 15, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

“Under the Collins campaign’s own rules, anything written in the comments of a blog is representative of those who run the blog.

So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins’ director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins’ mouth:

Arthur Frain, Portland ME Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.”

And they say kos is a hate site but it is the gop’s ugly, pathetic, treasonous mind set.

Like Paul’s hero BO.

Geez.

By @@

August 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

ITN @ 11:18:

Interesting approach to Iran. I always keep in mind that it was the liberals here who promoted diplomacy with Ahmadenijad, globally wounded by Bush’s harsh words.

From your MotherJones link:

(((As it happens, the Post had an article yesterday about that “drumbeat of allegations.” It details how Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin, Norman Podhoretz, the Heritage Foundation, and others are making a military attack on Iran part of the Overton window — that is, part of the range of acceptable policy options.)))

From the WaPo piece:

(((Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute recently wrote that assuming that Iran wants stability in Iraq is “as naive as it is dangerous… . U.S. and Iranian interests in Iraq are diametrically opposed, and will continue to be until one side wins and the other loses.” He depicted diplomacy with Iran as “a mirage, a tactical tool to divert U.S. policy attention away from the Revolutionary Guards and intelligence officials charged with implementing the Iranian leadership’s objectives.”)))

(((“For the U.S. government to succeed in Iraq,” Rubin argued, “it must engage not with the illusion of Iranian policy, but refine its strategies to neutralize and counter the Iranian strategies.”)))

(((Unlike the 2003 Iraq invasion, the next step on Iran is less clear, said Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute. “I like the idea of anything that gets rid of the nuclear weapons program and the regime, but I’m not persuaded that bombing achieves that,” she said. “It may be our last option, but I’m not sure we’re there yet.”)))

To follow….a piece from Stratfor:

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

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By getalife

August 15, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Gullible wingnuts,

She just punked you idiots.

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks BD!!!

OK here goes:

[[Don’t you feel in the least bit guilty that you are intentionally scamming your employer by letting them pay for your education at Mercer under false pretenses (not to mention blogging instead of working)?]]

First I’m not scamming my employer. I signed a mutual agreement that upon successful completion of my classes, (they check my grades regularly) AND upon my graduation,I will work for them for five years, (think ROTC). After the 5 years I can go where I want. Secondly Half the people ON HERE are blogging at work! ALSO, depending on the case, I work on weekends, holidays, at airports, on the train, etc. AND sometimes into the wee hours of the night researching past precedents, tax codes and decisions. So NO I don’t even feel guilty!! They get their money outta me.

[You think the fact that fellow Dems sabotage Kirsten Power’s Wiki site is somehow comparable to the fact that not all Republicans agree with Newt?]

I was making the remark in regards to the repuglican strategy of John McCain during the presidential primaries in SC (when the repuglicans started rumors that he had a “black” child — you know how repuglicans hate that). As for the Newt comment, repuglicans, who just a few months ago, praised him for his outlook and views, have now started commenting on his lack of foresight, etc. a la Limbaugh and Hannity.

[The thought of you being a lawyer is truly frightening]

I KNOW!!! — unfortunately I’m more interested in the defense of America’s Children more so than I am in wiping the floor with the likes of you. Too bad.

[forgot to add - if you really hate being a tax lawyer, support the Fair Tax and no one will have a need for your services anymore anyway]

BD — There’s no such thing as a “Fair Tax” no matter WHAT the pundits, Faux News, Hannity & Homeboy, Rush Cokehead, and Anne The Screaming Shrew tells you. That’s just a story made up to soothe little minds like yours. Sort of like ….. the tooth fairy.

Thanks again BD!! You’re awesome!!

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

@@,

Sure, listen to the same idiots who were dead wrong about Iraq.

Insane.

Geez.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

In all seriousness - I was pulling from personal experience. Older family member - goes back to college in her 40s - teaching - another family member said “your age, make some $$, get ready for retirement. She got the Ed degree, drives through a major city, nearly an hour commute each way, to teach at a school 95% economically disadvantaged, 95% minority. Was teacher of the year. Regularly has 100 percent pass rates on the state standardized achievement tests (including when she had 8 Katrina children added - most performed 1 to 1 1/2 years behind grade level).

But it’s burnout. Age has a way of doing that. Plus to attract new teachers pay scales adjusted - so new hires make nearly as much as she does (she was asked to go into administration “where the money is” but that’s just not her nature).

Oh, and what she and several other “teach as a second career, do something rewarding” people found out: in her state, you teach, sign up for the retirement plan, you forfeit social security. Actually it’s offset, so it’s a forfeit (I think the disclosure was on page 138, para 3, subparagraph j, note 8 footnote 16).

So follow your heart - and take care of yourself, too.

By Dubya

August 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

More great progress in Eye Rackie! Jest as we knew it would be, our mighty,intelligent, moral forces r spreading love and tolerance and wisdom throughout thee countryside. Everywhere folks r demanding deemocracy. No more Allah - they want Jesuss! Jest like us. Shrub and the Republiscum were right from thee start. These r Murcuh’s proudest moments. God Bless Bushie n God Bless Murcuh!

By Midori

August 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Debbie — I work 5 minutes from Mercer, and would be honored and pleased to have lunch with you some time.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Paul August 15, 2007 12:04 PM bon scott Where do you get your impressions?}}}}

My guess would be the business end of a crack pipe.

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August 15, 2007 — A surprising 94 percent of Americans say they are satisfied with their lives - although far fewer in New York and other Eastern states think they’re better off than they were five years ago, according to a new survey.

Well, well, doesn’t this make all the liberal griping and sniveling we are subjected to here at the luckovich blog seem just a tad overwrought?

And doesn’t it seem logical that the most whiney people in the United States are from New York, that pinko infested capital of self grieving?

Seriously, 94% of the people in the U.S happy with their lives?

Just compare that statistic to any post from “DIM THE NEWS,” “Goldilocks,” “stillanidiot” or any other of these serial hysterics.

Geez.

By @@

August 15, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Bill seems to be having an identity crisis among other things. Sally.Com-e then Bill.Com-e.

Stratfor analysis:

(((The United States has just significantly upped the ante in negotiations with Iran over Iraq by threatening to designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a terrorist organization. The threat, leaked by anonymous U.S. officials to the Washington Post, is an intentional message to Iran.)))

(((The message is this: We are not content with your negotiating position, and if you think you are the only side that can ratchet up the level of pain in this situation, you are wrong.)))

(((Stratfor has long contended that the negotiations between Washington and Tehran are the key to any possible settlement on the Iraq issue, and that if a deal is to be reached,—-> things will look like they are descending into chaos immediately prior. This is standard bargaining.<—- Each side has to appear as though it is willing to walk away from the table, to the detriment of the other side.)))

(((Sanctions are at best an imprecise tool, but —->Washington’s heavy leaning on Europe has made them much more effective of late.<—- The thought of designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization has been floating in the U.S. Congress for some time now, but Washington has a clear purpose in sending strong hints to Iran that the decision is imminent at this stage of the Iraq negotiations.)))

(((Iran is —->genuinely suffering<—- from the financial sanctions, which are generating significant domestic pressure on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. By designating the IRGC a terrorist organization, the United States has many more tools at its disposal to cut off funding to an international network that not only fights for Iran, but finances its fighting through a number of business ventures, ranging from pipeline construction to pharmaceuticals. The current sanctions regime has been increasingly effective, and this new set of tools could put Iran’s finances in lockdown. Labeling the IRGC as a terrorist entity, rather than an official state security apparatus, could also significantly hamper Iran’s defense deals. By homing in on the wealthiest and most senior IRGC commanders, the United States is threatening the stability of the Islamic Republic and Ahmadinejad’s support network.)))

Iran has had some defense deals going on with Syria.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

I am going to school too.

I learn everyday how ignorant the wingnuts are.

First, they will never admit mistakes and doomed to repeat them.

They listen to the same idiots who were dead wrong about Iraq and think there will be a different outcome.

I learned this is the definition of insanity.

Wingnuts are freaking insane cheering on the destruction of their country.

Class dismissed.

Geezus fereakin kerist!

By @@

August 15, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Damn Getalife, you didn’t even let me finish my comment before you question my “intelligence”. I am a subscribing member to Stratfor, The Shadow CIA.

Bush is listening to the liberals isn’t he? He’s practicing diplomacy with Ahmadenijad. Let’s hope THEY were right.

Geez Dick! ;-)

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Ain’t So @ 12:48— you’re not the least bit judgmental of others and their career choices, are you? Very typical Repugnant snob!

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So: My aren’t WE a little miffed at DFACS!! I sense hostility from you; I wonder why? Were you the father who was raping his 12 year old daughter on the web and charging pervs to watch? Or were you the mother who sold her daughter for meth? Oh NO that’s right!! You’re probably one of those caught on that “To Catch A Predator” sting that happened in S. Georgia.

I know, I know, you were set up …. you didn’t know he was only 13 …. those weren’t pictures of YOU nude, they were of your twin brother from the 3rd dimension… etc. Good luck with your defense.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

@@,

Like the gop wanting another 9/11 to get gop support, w is uniting the Iranian people for Iamanutjob.

The shadow CIA?

w and cheney will out you.

Geez.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

{{And doesn’t it seem logical that the most whiney people in the United States are from New York, that pinko infested capital of self grieving?}}

Behold! Another Repugnant snob on exhibit— our own Andy-DUH! He has the empathy of a turnip — “self grieving”??? Are you now stomping on NYC for being the target of the 9/11 terrorists???

And next thing ya know, all these Repug trolls will be stating that healthcare in America should not be available for everyone— but only for the privileged ones with $$$ to pay for it! Very Repugnant, yes?

By @@

August 15, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Well Goldie, my degree is in sociology, but I didn’t take Ain’t So’s comments as judgmental.

That’s the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives don’t whine.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Then duh posts from the NY Post like that is credible.

Like wiki.

Duh.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

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And just this morning I was reviewing news shows I’d taped - got the end of one show a minute before another started - and there was one of the talking heads - Gibson? CNN? Fox? Gibson? saying, yeah, well, big deal, nothing much implied, so they’re bad guys, we already knew that.

I suppose it doesn’t really matter which “commentator” said that - it just serves to illustrate the kind of thinking they do compared to the professionals at Stratfor. But guess who gets considered more by many Americans?

Rather scary, given the articles opining on how “the blogs” are influencing politicians’ positions (mostly Dems) on a variety of issues.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Glad you like the material, @@, feel free to steal. Then folks’ll think that YOU’RE the genius instead of the twin-lipped hairpie you truly are.

But first get a new face. Then google the Yazidi. Read.

You’ll know enough to start blogging sense about Iraq.

Then maybe folks’ll respect you.

Fair ‘muff?

‘muff said.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

“Conservatives don’t whine.”

President Clinton will be happy about that @@.

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Midori: That sound great!! Maybe we can meet sometime!!

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Goldieloser (1:21) Not judgmental, just rephrasing what Debbie claimed. A freeloader is a freeloader no matter how you slice it. Social worker, DFACS lawyers, snake oil salespeople, all in a league of their own. Not much use for any of them.

DebbieDoWrong (1:23) Great imagination. Sorry to disappoint you but I’ve never been involved with DFACS other than working with a few ex-DEFAC employees. I wouldn’t give you two cents for any of them.

I make five points and you chose DFACS to respond to. So being a busybody, a liar, a thief and someone who will not disclose her true agenda, only being a busybody struck a nerve. Interesting.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Concern troll Paul,

The Netroots Nation is all about we, the people. It is growing everyday, so get use to it.

It is great the Dems are listening to us instead of like the gop listening to idiots like BO, Rush, Ann, etc…

Geez.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

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Compare the NYT article on the Guards’ designation with Stratfor’s. According to the Times in the lead-in, if imposed it “would signal a more confrontational turn in the administration’s approach to Iran”. There are two primary reasons for the action and the first listed is “to pacify, for a while, administration hawks who are pushing for possible military action…”

Bias? Who’s cast in a bad light? America? The Administration? Let’s see, the Administration’s getting confrontational and Sec Rice is trying to pacify Administration hawks. I thought one of the reasons might have been Iran or what they’re doing?

No bias. Just straight reporting. Facts. Journalists suppress their personal agendas.

Link: NYT on designation

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

{{Conservatives don’t whine.}}

OMG, Boobs is trying to be funny again. Just yesterday she was stating that “everything” the Dems have done has been wrong for America… you really have some non-reality issues, dontcha?

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

I adore Midori.

Doobie Bongwrong, you have convinced me to take a law class. I took business law in college and the professor said he nevah saw nuthin the likes of which I were, been then done did, or might coulda.

I still dont know what he said. But I do remember being frightened.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

{{Social worker, DFACS lawyers, snake oil salespeople, all in a league of their own. Not much use for any of them.}}

Just one of the many reasons that the Repugs lost so badly in ‘06 — eewwww! Who needs your hatred for other Americans???

By getalife

August 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Stratfor has a corporate wh-ore agenda.

Go figure.

Geez.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:45

The point was how politicians can take positions on issues - if driven by a large body politic, the issue is how that group forms its opinions.

Given a map, many folks would still have difficulty drawing a map of the Middle East, let alone fill in the names of the countries on a predrawn map, yet they form the group that will drive a politician’s policy?

“Geez” is such a good word, but I’ll go broke with all the nickels I’ll owe you -

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

GoldieLoser, “No Use for them” does not translate into hatred.

At least not from my point of view. May be from yours, but then, we don’t seem to agree on much now do we?

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Another Neo-Con Repug who has no empathy for other living beings:

Newkirk notes that the first thing Rove plans to do upon leaving the White House at the end of his month is “go dove hunting, i.e., kill little birds who are the international symbol of peace. You will leave politics to spend more time with your family only to destroy the families of other species.”— Her last line could well set off alarm bells at the Secret Service: “I have just one suggestion: Please take Dick Cheney along on your hunting trips.”

I can just picture these Neo-Cons’ “hunting” trips… they drive their SUVs into an enclosed area and shoot at birds that have been planted there in some bushes for them. What a bunch of disgusting girly-men!

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

SayItAintSo: OMG! You mean you were SERIOUS!! I thought you were just being ornery because of your lack of sex life!!

OK, well then, since you were serious, I’ll take your post seriously…..

A) Please refer to my post at * to BD about my employment contract,etc.

B) WHO CARES what you think?

C) Don’t hate; if you were smart enough, and didn’t spend so much time on your knees in school; maybe someone would want to pay for your education too.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

{{No bias. Just straight reporting. Facts. Journalists suppress their personal agendas.}}

How can that be, Paul? I’ve heard Bill Orally state on his show that he himself is “a journalist.” What are his credentials, I wonder?

By RW (the oravaginal)

August 15, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Paul, Getalife is not saying, “Geez”, he’s saying “Gizz”. (U C, sir, he’s a wankah, a turbo-wankah, and he done wanked hisself into a tizzy…rally he has, rally.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 15, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Look at how easy this is:

{{{{The ——->Harris Poll<——— of more than 1,000 people reported the overall “satisfaction” level (90%), defined as people who said they were either very or somewhat satisfied with their lot, was up 4 percentage points from two years ago.}}}}

{{{{By getalife August 15, 2007 1:31 PM Then duh posts from the NY Post like that is credible Like wiki. Duh.}}}}

{{{{By Lord Help Us November 28, 2006 02:43 PM Bush is REBOUNDING in the polls!! [President Bush’s approval ratings, as tracked by ——->Harris Interactive,<———, fell to the second-lowest of his presidency, according to a new poll.}}}

So which one of the Harris polls isn’t credible?

Hehehehehe, sucker.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Concerned troll Paul,

Most of those folks are very informed and do not form opinions watching BO or faux noise.

Geez.

By RW (the oravaginal)

August 15, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Paul, Getalife is not saying, “Geez”.

3 guesses.

By Doom is not alone in his hatred for getalife

August 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

wankalife,

So it seems that Doom is not the only one who has discovered your wanking abilites. Not to mention, you being a bumbling idiot.

By Rover bends Over

August 15, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Karl Rove: Known in Gay Circles as ‘Miss Piggy’

By RW (the oravaginal)

August 15, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Google the Yazidi before you post another word.

Serious here. You need to know about the Kurds.

You ignorant rabble. You vast vulgar herd. You improbable minions. You……you………..

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Debbie…. (1:57) I see you are speaking about your past again (didn’t spend so much time on your knees in school).

Oh, and my employer does pays for my education. I’m allowed to attend conferences, training classes (in my area of expertise) AND have the option of taking ANY classes offered by Emory, Georgia State or Georgia Tech at my employers expense. Oh and without a ‘loyalty’ contract.

As for the sex life, I have no complaints, nor does my spouse of close to 30 years.

You really need to quit projecting so much of your ‘personal issues’ into your posts.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

{{As for the sex life, I have no complaints, nor does my spouse of close to 30 years.}}

Yeah, right.

ROLFMAO— 30 years of marital sex-bliss!

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Bends over @ 2:09 — that’s hilarious info about Rover… I’ve always wondered who exactly it was that Jeff Gannon (GOPUSA fake reporter) was visiting in the White House when he signed the WH log over 200 times.

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

So, GoldieLoser, you find that hard to believe?

But then I guess you do have a problem with accepting the truth now don’t you?

By Doom warns the women of this blog

August 15, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Say It Aint So,

When a man doesn’t complain about the sex,especially after 30 years, it’s usually because he’s getting it elsewhere.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Goldie, the 2:09 was a namejack.

By Say It Ain't So

August 15, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Doom of the blog (2:26) Spoken like a true womanizer.

If you truly believe that, then I wish you all the luck (you’re going to need it) in your personal relationships.

By 'Say It Aint So' can join Doom's brothel

August 15, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Doom’s personal relationships usually include sexy young 40 or 50ish plus women such as yourself. Don’t worry about your husband, though. He’ll be just fine watching.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Say it aint so: You are Right! You know alot about sex cause Dateline ambushed you about it last night.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Right-Wing Pundits Confess Bush ‘Has No Agenda’

By Paul

August 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Goldie 1:54

[[I can just picture these Neo-Cons’ “hunting” trips… they drive their SUVs ]]

Would that be like Sen John “Where can I get me a hunting license” Kerry? Kerry’s a neocon?!!?

Goldie 1:57

That was sarcasm, so many state the media has no bias (most say liberal, some say conservative - take your pick).

Print media like the NYT are much different than cable commentators - most are not journalists and give their own views on news events, hence the designation “commentators.” But to your question, BOR took his undergraduate degree in History, a Masters in Broadcast Journalism from Boston University and followed with a Masters in Public Administration from Harvard’s John F Kennedy School of Government. In his early career he worked as a reporter, print as well as ABC’s World News Tonight - so he at least has experience in the field as well as with the people.

Just so there’s no misunderstanding - you asked a question, I answered. Does not imply agreement. Rather like someone asking Hillary about Obama’s background. If she answers specifically (a first) it doesn’t mean she’s turned into an Obama supporter.

Not a bad idea, that. I may be on to something here -

By Doom misses Midori

August 15, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Where have you been? Your lovable Doomster has been looking for you. Its not to late reconcile our relationship!

P.S. What’s with the useless post?

By Paul

August 15, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

In the News 1:45

As you don’t seem much for opinion, analysis or discussion - just Google a topic, find a link and post- it should be obvious that whatever the topic, whomever’s being discussed, no matter the institution, body, organization or concept, it is possible, within a few seconds, to find someone who’s written disparaging, vitriolic and flat unkind comments.

To accept all such sources as credible, let alone worthy of citation, is a serious error.

Just for fun, you may want to investigate some of those “sources” - their backgrounds, track record, supporters, funding sources - just to provide a bit of context.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Lost weapons now in hands of Middle East extremists.

By IN THE NEWS is a coward

August 15, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Doom believes that ‘IN THE NEWS’is so much of a coward that she can only post other people’s thoughts and not her own. She doesn’t dare engage in debate because then we’d discover just how stupid she really is.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

doomed,

Go play with your Chinese Barbie.

Geez.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Paul, Did I get this right? You TAPE news shows? Are you serious? You need therapy ;-)

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

SayItAin’tSo (SIAS) - [[Oh, and my employer does pays for my education. I’m allowed to attend conferences, training classes (in my area of expertise) AND have the option of taking ANY classes offered by Emory, Georgia State or Georgia Tech at my employers expense. Oh and without a ‘loyalty’ contract.]]

I didn’t know they had classes for school bus drivers! Good for you!!! And no, I guess you wouldn’t need a loytalty contract; when you drive screaming kids all day.

[As for the sex life, I have no complaints, nor does my spouse of close to 30 years.]

He has complaints. But after 30 years and your entitlement to half of his money, he has wisely kept his mouth shut.

[You really need to quit projecting so much of your ‘personal issues’ into your posts.]

You too.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Google the Yazidi.

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By Doom is going to kick getalife's a$$

August 15, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

What are you doing here punk? getlost getalife! This blog was going just fine until you decided to stop j@rking off in the bathroom and return to your computer. This is your last warning.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

doomed is doomed to be forever an idiot.

Go suk on some Chinese toys.

Loser.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

I’m not one 2 complain, but I know someone on the AJC who just emailed me that the last 37 comments on this blog have been namejackers.

Nobody is leveling with nobody. We’re all lying and being deceitful. It’s not right, and I feel I need to fess up who I really am.

I am the Peacock of the Yazidi

By Paul

August 15, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Actually, “tape” is not quite correct. I use a digital video recorder. But “Tivo” is a brand name - not sure if it’s become a generic term like “Kleenex” for “tissue.” So I said “tape” so most would understand.

I tend to get up early (or to bed late if there’s a deadline) so can get through them quite quickly- a full hour show in 40 min, more like 20 as I select the segments. Comes in handy when, say, getalife says “check Olberman tonight” or someone else mentions a guy (Tucker) with whom I’m not familiar. I can also record two shows and watch another.

But I also record others - last night was a piece on Stephen Hawking preparing an address in which he made proposals regarding black holes that conflicted with his earlier proposals. Openmindedness regarding one’s positions - a good example, I think.

Plus cooking shows. Iron Chef - 3 am - 30 lb Australian lobsters. Good stuff.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Bosch

PS - tried therapy. Didn’t take. The guy was nuts. Spent time blogging in between his questions -

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

DON’T BE A NINNY

I HAVE OPINIONS.

HOWEVER, I REALIZE MY OPINIONS WILL NOT CHANGE ANY MINDS.

YOURS AREN”T MOVING ANY LIBERALS TO THE RIGHT.

WHAT CHANGES PEOPLES” MINDS IS WHAT THEY HEAR AND READ IN THE NEWS.

I POST “EM AS I FIND THEM.

I ALWAYS SOURCE, SOME OF THE OPPOSITION JUST {{{{CUT AND PASTE}}}}

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A SOURCE, CONTACT THEM.

I FIND IT AMUSING HOW UPSET YOU GET WITH CONFRONTED BY WHAT’S IN THE NEWS.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

see Paul - there is hope for this world.

I too love the original Iron Chef, and am often up late at night watching it.

I love the food channel - I’ve learned so much!!

However, I don’t care for “Iron Chef America” and those various copy cats on other channels.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Have you ever notice how you ask a general (or specific) question, I respond, then the topic is suddenly ovah and you transition to informing me who I “love” “support” “listen” to, and why they’re all idiots? Not to mention if I make a positive comment about a Bush Administration item I’m a neocon, yet when I make a positive comment about a Democratic candidate or position, I’m never an ultralib?

It seems you default to commentators, politicians, others’ - personalities or personal lives. Such doesn’t interest me much.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

On Rove and the Missing RNC E-Mails

By Getalife is a practicing homosexual

August 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Homolife,

Doom understands that you can’t find a good man. Don’t look at me because I’m taken. My advice for you is to keep on j@rking off and hope for the best.

Doom is out of here punk!

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Stephen Hawkins is an idiot. He only sounds smart cause he intonates with one of those helium filled balloons that he inhales right before he says anything, so it sounds “otherworldly” and stupid people go, “duh, he sounds smart like the mayor of munchkinland or something”

When black holes were first introduced, they were thought to be rare, exotically impossible to imagine objects that we’d be lucky to find in the math (forget in our telescopes).

Now, we think there’s as common as galaxies, in fact, they are the cause of all galaxy, that is, the engine from which galaxies spring.

If I had inhaled helium and said that live on PBS, then you morons would be going, “Duh, he sounds smart like the coroner of munchkinland, or something.”

retards.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

In The News

Don’t sell yourself short - you may change an opinion - if you’d relay one, rather than someone else’s (I believe your sources cover the political spectrum).

Frankly, I think many “Liberals” are much more conservative than they’d care to admit. Might be able to make a case for the opposite.

Not at all upset. As for post’em as you find’em - if one goes to a city, one can display items he found. From the art museum, or from the dump.

Blithely Blah 3:52

That’s “Stephen Hawking” not “Stephen Hawkins.” Unless that was just a typo and you are referring to the theoretical physicist who holds the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge. The one with Lou Gherig’s disease.

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 1:33:

I take what the news commentators say with a grain of salt. Some possess analytical skills and I enjoy listening. I’ll always go to Stratfor for the “best” analysis though. If they were 100% behind Bush, I’d have my doubts about them as well. The situations are analyzed at Stratfor, not individuals or parties. The NYT’s article clearly painted America as the aggressor. Why not? Iran, and now Ahmadenijad have been the aggressor for years. Takes one to make one.

According to the leftists here Condi is the administration’s housekeeper. Why would she go against Cheney? Couldn’t be the good cop, bad cop approach now could it? I have a pretty good idea that the ones working behind the scenes aren’t even being picked up on the media’s radar.

Sometimes things are slow at Stratfor. I can only assume that they’re waiting for confirmation or additional info hinging on another part of the equation that has yet to culminate.

Musharraf’s upcoming election has been interesting to watch. One day it’s the declaration of a state of emergency to insure his military rule, then within 24 hours Condi Rice has changed his mind, free elections are the best. Bhutto is in, Bhutto is out. I’m still waiting on that one. In my opinion, it appears to be an orchestrated effort to influence public opinion, when the game plan has already been set unless something leads them in another direction.

I read where in Algeria Al Qaeda extremists are now killing reformed members. Battered extremist syndrome? The bruised and battered are turning themselves in to authorities there. Disillusioned with the marriage I suppose.

Bill a/k/a PoliFore a/k/a (I’ve lost count):

I must admit, I read each of your posts in the hopes that you’re getting better at whatever it is you’re attempting to do here. You better hurry up though because I tire of the disappointment.

For some strange reason, I seem to bring out the “less than funny” side of you if there is such a thing. That’s quite an accomplishment on my part.

Getalife @ 1:34:

Bill doesn’t like whiners?

Moaners?

I think you may be right. Bill prefers “screamers”.

It looks like quite a few people here think you’re a wanker. Surely that can’t be true Getalife….you’re not a wanker are

By Paul

August 15, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Midori

Hope springs eternal.

When Iron Chef first appeared on American tv my brother and I would phone each other 8 or 10 times in the course of the show. The first American Iron Chef with William Shatner was embarrassing. The current iteration is marginally better (where do they find those judges?).

I just set the recorder “record any Iron Chef, any channel, any time.”

Plus, the theme music from the motion picture “Backdraft” is a perfect match.

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

[The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America Is a Myth] (http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/?f=h_top)

By rushncap

August 15, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

@@’s continual obsession with sex leads me to conclude that she is to be pitied in that area…

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Paul and Midori, I like the Iron Chef as well. Some of that stuff they cook i think, Oh, no way, but most of it makes me salivate. It’s funny how I always think to myself while watching that show, “Oh, I could so do that” only to find out how wrong I am.

I use the word “tape” too, old school, and I still use the word “album.” My kids have no idea what I’m talking about.

But seriously, Paul, I can’t imagine “taping” news shows.

I know what you mean about therapy, been there too, and if blogging had been around then, I’d have done the same thing. It was kind of like I knew what kind of “game” he was playing and it just didn’t work. I was better off just finding a good friend to talk to — costs alot less too (a beer vs. $100/hour).

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

America’s Progressive Majority

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

what do you suppose was the tab for those huge lobsters?

I’d like to know what the budgets for those shows are — the only use the very best!!

By IN THE NEWS

August 15, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Poll: America Seeks Bold Progressive Leadership

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Paul and Midori, I forgot to mention, Alton Brown is my favorite. He’s so funny.

When Iron Chef first came on, my mother-in-law lived next door to us (she now lives with us, bad, bad health) and my kids would go over there and watch it - they would come home just buzzing about the show. I finally watched it one night and thought, oh this can’t be for real, it’s just way too hilarious. It’s so funny how ridiculous it is at the end of the show - I mean, you wait with baited breath - who won, who won? I always feel so retarded because I’m so excited, but you just can’t help it!

By Paul

August 15, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

@@

Good take on Stratfor. I too have read some of the analyses and thought “I don’t think so…” - which is fine. Analysis is opinion, guess, substantiation, reaching - which some discussing prewar intel never understood. (Side comment - been meaning to ask - all the Dem candidates except Obama - who prior to the Iraq invasion just knew there were WMDs right now in Iraq, posed a threat to America. When, exactly, did they change their minds and just know what they knew before wasn’t what they know now? :) I’m sure you see the implications).

But overall they do a good job of tying various areas together.

Battered Extremist Syndrome? Let’s hope they continue with the current ‘cure.’

You mean I’m not getting better at what I’m attempting to do? Civil discourse? Learn something new? Yikes -

Good accomplishment, yes. Serious questions. Several others bring up the same. Hate to single anyone out, but look past the manner of expression - as with getalife - much to learn about the outlook and passion of an influential political segment.

It’s about understanding. Not agreement. Understanding.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Chairman Kaga MADE that show :)

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

My goodness rushncap. You pop up out of nowhere at the mention of the word “wanker”.

Why is that?

By rushncap

August 15, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, do I need to give you my itinerary, @@?

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

guess who was busted yesterday using the psuedonym, “moonbat betty”?

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Paul:

(((You mean I’m not getting better at what I’m attempting to do? Civil discourse? Learn something new? Yikes)))

That ^^^ was intended for Bill a/k/a Political Foreskin a/k/a ??? a/k/a ??? a/k/a ???.

By Paul

August 15, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Midori - Bosch

The lobsters were $400 apiece. I saw one show with a special Japanese peach (they were wrapped while growing to protect them) that were - I believe they were under $50 each.

They had mushrooms that were @2,000 apiece. Swallow’s nests were $24,000 for the lot (people can die harvesting them).

There was a special type of pork - $15,000 for the show.

They spare no expense. I’d sure like to be a judge!

Oh, and this is quite revealing:

The stage production Les Miserables - Andrew Lloyd Weber’s adaptation of the Victor Hugo novel. Smash musical hit - has played worldwide for a couple of decades. There is a DVD - Les Miserables in Concert - also known as the “Dream Cast” - recorded in the Royal Albert Hall in 1996 on the 10th anniversary - at the end they had all the Jean Valjeans (“John Valjohn,” the male lead) from around the world come on stage for the finale - and the Japanese Jean Valjean was Chairman Kaga!

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Midori, He looks so evil when he bites into that yellow pepper, it almost gives me the shivers. He looks so psycho.

You know, that’s one of the problems I’ve always had with the Foodtv network - alot of those shows, it would cost about $500 to prepare the meal. Not all of them, of course, but all the ones, it seems, that I want to make.

By rushncap

August 15, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Midori — would that be our mutual friend @@?

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Paul - Midori, Um….Swallow’s nest? What is that? $24,000 a piece and people can die harvesting them?

That seems a little unhumanitarian to me. I can just picture some rich Japanese guy, “Oh I don’t care if three people died in the swallow nest harvest — I love them — bring them to me!” Again, just a little creepy for my taste. Hell, shrimp is a delicacy at my house. Yummy!

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

(((Midori — would that be our mutual friend @@?)))

Well now I’m curious. Time and date so I can have a look please.

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

(((Midori — would that be our mutual friend @@?)))

Well now I’m curious. Time and date so I can have a look please.

By @@

August 15, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Apologies if my 4:46 posted twice. I think I hit the post instead of refresh.

By Bosch

August 15, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Paul, Maybe I should clarify - I know that a swallow is a bird and that they probably make a nest like most birds, but I doubt that is what you are talking about when you said “swallow nest.”

We’re you talking about a mushroom? That’s what I’m assuming here, but you know, I’m not up on all the different kinds of $24,000 mushrooms - portabellas and oyster mushrooms are exotic enough for me.

Gotta run - it’s been fun!

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Bosch - not all food network shows use expensive recipes. I’m starting a recipe book now - whenever I see a show featuring recipes I like, I go to the website, print them off and add them to a binder. The website gives you the option of printing on 3x5 cards or full page. It’s great.

I love Alton, too. But my fave is the Barefoot Contessa :)

the problem with the Iron Chef show is none of the recipes are provided, as none existed. Those guys pretty much made it up as they went along.

Paul - you need to check out Andrew Zimmern’s “Bizarre Foods”. it comes on the Travel Channel on Mondays @ 9. It airs at other times, but that is his regular time slot. During one episode, when he was in Thailand (or was it China?), he accompanied a crew that harvested swallows nests. Those ladders!!!!

Tall, rickety and scary!!!

By Paul

August 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch

It is, literally, a bird (swallow) nest. They construct them by binding together the collected matter with a regurgitated gelatinous substance. They are harvested in many locations of the world, although some of the most prized come from cliff faces - so if not careful, the harvesters can fall. And some have died, altho I do not believe it a frequent occurrence.

The $24k was for the show. Most go for about a hundred.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Look at Goldilocks, cementing her status as a world champion dunce:

{{{{By Goldie August 15, 2007 1:28 PM {{And doesn’t it seem logical that the most whiney people in the United States are from New York, that pinko infested capital of self grieving?}} Behold! Another Repugnant snob on exhibit— our own Andy-DUH! He has the empathy of a turnip — “self grieving”??? Are you now stomping on NYC for being the target of the 9/11 terrorists???}}}}

Check this out, I make an observation that New York is full of whiney people and this hysteric screeches that I wished 9/11 upon them?

Geez, you libs sure do get carried away on your emotions.

You wouldn’t exaggerate everything would you, like “man made global warming” for instance?

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

he is talking about swallow’s nests.

they are made with the bird’s saliva, and they are quite a delicacy in the East.

By Cliff

August 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS! Just as Brains predicted, the SURGE is working. Beautifully. All is well on the entire Middle Eastern Front. Everyone is quiet and joyful. Brains has stirred up quite a wondrous pot over there and it shows clearly throughout the world. Wanta congrat all you Brains supporters out there. Stand proud.

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all.

Lots of good stuff today.

Is Wiki reliable or not?

When I first began blogging, I referenced it a few times and was thoroughly flamed by some of the usual right wingers here.

How dare I use Wikipedia?!! Didn’t I know it was full of errors?

Uh, sorry, no I didn’t. But I decided to investigate.

And from what I have seen, it is extremely reliable and factually accurate. With some caveats.

For example I have looked at some of the information that I have expertise in, regarding my business, and it is spot on.

But as Buy Danish noted and INT”s link about Diebold, as well, some of the commentary, especially if it is political in nature absolutely requires corroboration from other sources before being believed.

No big deal and I will continue to use it regularly, knowing that is the case.

Speaking of ITN’s links, Paul, I just couldn’t disagree with your opinion regarding them more.

IN THE NEWS, I have found your links consistently relevant and informative. And who cares if you add commentary or not? Hell, the rest of us more than make up for it!

So, fellow bloggers, either read them or don’t. And believe the veracity of them or don’t.

To me, it’s infinitely more valuable than cutting and pasting a sometimes very out-of-context paragraph and then adding a comment or two of inane comments. Then another paragraph and another comment. Ad nauseum.

All of course, conveniently without links to the source.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

you win a cookie.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

The only toy Mattel didn’t recall yesterday was the Chinese Made toy model of the Shase Sputtle. (the chinese cant pronounce their R’s thus the dislexic alliteration).

Now that’s Ilony.

By rushncap

August 15, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Woohoo! I like cookies. Thanks Midori.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I wouldn’t be asking @@, “Spit or Swallow” if I were you.

(hint: pfthhhzz!)

By Paul

August 15, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Midori

I will watch it - thanks!

By @@

August 15, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Hell, I had to go find it myself. I’m still puzzled but amazed.

Here’s the only “moonbat betty” post with accompanying exchange to and fro.

(((By moonbat betty August 14, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

why didn’t ml put rove in the darth vader costume?)))

has he gone neo-con on us?)))

(((By Midori August 14, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

moonbat betty is a boob.)))

(((By crawdad August 14, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

sucka head midori)))

I’m not seeing anything that would make Midori think this was me posting under a pseudonym.

Can you explain what brought you to your conclusions Midori? I find your “truth outting” unsubstantiated but entertaining all the same.

By CNN word

August 15, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

They’ve translated the suicide note left by the Chinese Toy Czar on an Etch-a-Sketch.

“Help me. I’ve been kidnapped by operatives from the Chinese Secret Service. They plan on staging my suicide with a rope and a stool. I had nothing to do with the lead in the paint. I didn’t do it. Some friends came in from out of town. I forgot to take my suit out of the cleaners. I had a flat tire. There was a flood! Earthquakes. Locusts! It wasn’t my fault…..”

Then there’s just some scribling like he was interrupted in writing his note.

Well, that’s all we have. What actually happened to the toy czar, we’ll never know.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Correction:

“Report: Iraq massacre at 500 dead:

Officials said at least 260 people were killed and 320 hurt. Local reports say up to 500 people died. CNN is using the higher number, based on sources’ information inside Iraq.”

Geez.

By B.P.O.E.

August 15, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

There must not be a God.

One thing. One thing is all we asked for. What did we get? A few weeks. A few measly weeks. Whoopee!!!!

Was that too much to ask for God? We know deep down inside Bush is a disaster, but at least we had something. At least we had one thing to brag about.

The stock market is back below 13,000 again. We now have nothing.

“Oh, the stock market, thanks to Bush, is exploding. Wow, Bush! He’s our guy!” we were bragging. Now nothing. Its a terrible empty feeling.

Just shoot me.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Where would we all be without CuttheGeez’s new reports. He’s better than connie chungs twaught.

what a dope. honestly.

“DUH, I’ve got the news, and I can report good, duh”

RETARD!!!!

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

@@,

Jason Leopold probably reported that to our resident parrot.

AmVet,

I think that Wiki tends to be an extremely accurate source with the huge exception of political figures or world events that tend to shape political opinions. In those cases it’s no better than all the fever swamp spam ITN posts nonstop.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

5:35,

poor thing - life hasn’t been good to you has it?

you know - you wingnuts always show your true colors. you are one-trick ponys and your sack of tricks sorely need updating. maybe if you would stop raping young boys and soliticing men in restrooms, you could work on other “pursuits”.

However, what does one expect for such challenged, hypocritical, immorality ravaged, humor-impaired folk, eh?

By @@

August 15, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

O.K., I think I’ve figured out Midori’s thinking or lack thereof.

Moonbat Betty posts.

Midori declares Moonbat Betty is a “boob”.

crawdad calls Midori a sucker head or tells Midori to perform a sexual act?

The thing that I find most interesting about the exchange is that all sentences start in lower-case letters. A writing style that can be attributed to Mike Luckovich and Midori.

Midori, was Mike sending you an invitation or were you drunk when you posted that exchange.

I’m laughing here Midori. Nice try though.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

as usual, RW the Original Retard shows up at the end of the day with his worn out, abused and overused “pet” names.

You pathetic people would never make it in stand up.

You’re the carrot tops of the blogosphere.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

More proof that history begins each morning for moonbat(ic)s®.

{{{{{By Bosch ———>August 14, 2007<——— 4:59 PM | Link to this Unfortunately, I have to go for the evening. We can continue this discussion tomorrow if you would like. I know this may seem like a diversion, but I have family matters to deal with at the moment.}}}}}}

So when I pick up the debate, as requested, this morning we get this:

{{{{{By Goldie August 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this Bosch @ 11:11—Too, too funny that he keeps trying to engage YOU each day…}}}}}

Goldie,

Your poll sampled 53% women and 47% men and had 60% liberals. No wonder you idiots love these polls so much when you stack the deck like that.

By Midori

August 15, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Keep on diddling yourself, @@.

It’s really killing you that I busted your immature, silly a@@ — isn’t it?

You’re all over the place trying to justify-deflect-anything-everything.

It’s all right dear; I understand. Really I do.

I’m going to dinner now.

You have the blog all to yourself to um, er, whatever it is you’re trying to accomplish.

Have a good evening.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

I apologize in advance if IN THE NEWS posted this link earlier, but I found this to be A REAL SHOCKER:

Despite Bush’s repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.

Who would ever believe that Gen. Petreaus’ report would be written by the White House — that is, before the Bush mafia moved in? And what has happened to America for the past 6 years?

The saddest part is that so many Americans are no longer shocked by what this administration has done…

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

OMG! Did Midori make the claim that she WORKS????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Like most government workers she thinks blogging all day and collecting a check from the rest of us is work. Unfreakingbelievable!!!

By Orig Bill

August 15, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Well put, Cliff, and appropriate for that band of little right wing, insecure, would-be-men who live their pitiful existences on this blog, their weak, hate-mongering ways always displayed.

By @@

August 15, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Are you the offended Bill a/k/a whomever Midori?

If so, you’re not very funny as Bill, but your assumptions are hilarious.

Have a good evening ?????????? yourself.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

getalife @ 12:49 PM,

Your are right about one thing - ML’s blog is a school of sorts. Pay attention, because you have much to learn.

You copied an item from KOS which claims that this post was from a Republican who posted on Susan Collins “Maine Web Report” website:

{{{Arthur Frain, Portland ME Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.”}}}

You went on to say:

{{{And they say kos is a hate site but it is the gop’s ugly, pathetic, treasonous mind set.}}}}

Well damn if the Maine Web Report didn’t check the I.P. address and discover that this post was a plant.

You’ll have to trust me on that for the moment since for some mysterious reason the Website has too much traffic to open up right now.

Here’s the website. Settle down with a little Crown and try again later:

www.mainewebreport.com

BTW, I do not support Susan Collins 99.9% of the time.

One other thing. The New York Times published an Op-Ed piece by Stu Bykofsky entitled “To save America, we need another 9/11”.

Where were you with your remarks about treason then?

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

RW @ 5:49— you wouldn’t pay attention to ANY info given to you unless it’s from Limbaugh’s drug-filled brain. Or is it Neal Bore-zi? So hard to tell all those extremist gas-bags on hate radio apart.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Parrot,

Would you enlighten us on how that little exchange would point you to @@?? If you’re really gone perhaps rushncap will be kind enough to tell us how that “outs” anybody, much less @@.

By Goldie

August 15, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

So when will the debate moderators for the Repug candidates start asking those guys if they think they are “white enough” to be elected?

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Not true, I read the poll that you provided and that’s what it says. Of course the link you left gives me links to about a dozen polls so I used the most current.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 15, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{By DIM THE NEWS August 15, 2007 4:10 PM Poll: America Seeks Bold Progressive Leadership}}}}

Geez, still blubbering, even after these serial whiners were outed as only 10% of Americans.

Even democrats in Congress have a higher approval rating then you professional cry babies do.

Losers.

It makes you wonder where the drive by lib media comes up with all of the sob stories that they do, the Urinal is practically brimming everyday with people filling their diapers.

They wouldn’t be making it up, would they?

Besides, 90% of Americans don’t want to hear that crap, it’s like raising a family to adulthood, only to bombarded by a bunch of grown up infants at every turn.

Be a man you cowards.

By rushncap

August 15, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

RW lying again. In other news, Sun is still shining. There were not 60% liberals in the poll Goldie linked to. There were more Democrats in the poll, of course, because America is more Democratic than Republican. That means if you ask 100 random people, a larger % will claim to be Democrat. There are also more women than men in America, which is what the poll reflected. Basically RW’s complaint is that the poll looked at America as it is, rather looking at it as he wants it to be. Tough cookies.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

The Republicans usually field questions on foreign policy, fiscal policy, energy independence and things like that. It’s the Democrat Party that is more concerned with the black enough or boxers/briefs questions. Do you think we’ll get French-cut/thong question this year?

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 15, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

The libs are starting to figure out what a weak, stupid candidate Hillary is:

{{{{Mortgage Meltdown May Hand 2008 to Democrats, pant, pant, pant- August 15, 2007 01:48 PM ET | Pethokoukis , James, US “News” and World Report}}}}

{{{{Despite his shrinking candidacy, McCain is still the GOP’s best bet (So please, please nominate him)Thomas F. Schaller August 15, 2007}}}}

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

One of the poll questions was whether you were very liberal, liberal, or a moderate and that added up to 60%. Now we all know that moderate stands for uberliberal flaming moonbat(ic)® like the scribbler and Lord knows how many radicals on this blog claiming the moderate label. Sorry you can’t handle the truth.

Now how about that moonbat betty question. DO you agree with the Parrot and if so why?

By getalife

August 15, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

BD,

Weird how you and RW show up at the same time.

Anyhoo, the gop are united in wanting another terror attack to help your party (how pathetic is that? Geez). Hell, Gibson had Stu on encouraging his pathetic treason.

You are the worst people in the world!

By Jill Benson

August 15, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Duh for Democrat, the libs diapers are full, and you’re getting all the big pieces.

You greedy shat-eating piece of cheek cheese, save some for @@.

You are scum. You stink and you’re a sociopath. You post to your own aliases and answer yourself all day long like the dripped sludge of wrinkled poon yeast infection you truly are.

Your contribution is less than what a dead man could add.

Just leave. Dont reply and embarrass your sorry self any more.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Do you kiss yo Momma with that mouth Jill Benson?

By @@

August 15, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I saw that exchange between Gibson and Stu on video. It was at some left-wing blogsite. They said that Gibson was supporting Stu argument.

I got a different read on it though. I got the impression Gibson was politely making fun of Stu.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 15, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Another 10 percenter stopped by and shared some of that special lib “happiness:”

{{{{By Jill Benson August 15, 2007 6:16 PM You greedy shat-eating piece of cheek cheese, save some for @@.}}}}

Nice to meet you too, Jill.

~~~~~

{{{{By getalife August 15, 2007 5:27 PM Correction: “Report: Iraq massacre at 500 dead: Officials said at least 260 people were killed and 320 hurt. Local reports say up to 500 people died. CNN is using the higher number, based on sources’ information inside Iraq.”}}}}

al-gitmo: I hate to interrupt your celebration but my sources say that 250 were killed.

And I have far more credibility than CNN does.

By @@

August 15, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

I guess I really shouldn’t laugh as much as I am at this minute while watching some liberal become unhinged.

It makes me guilty of being hate-filled or at least that’s what the liberals here would have everyone believe.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

@@,

I see you agree with Stu.

KO nailed it.

The gop are the worst people in the world.

Stand proud.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Perhaps RW and I show up at the same time sometimes because it is at the end of the day and we have time to post after attending to our various responsibilities?

Additionally, the fact that the blog has a 7:00 curfew is a bit of an incentive to post around now.

If you can turn that into a conspiracy theory then you are a lost cause and probably hear voices.

RW,

There is no way that @@ is “Moonbat Betty”. Clearly Midori and Rushncap have no ear for writing styles.

By Dee Dee Knile

August 15, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Haven’t you libs heard? There is a Republican Revolution going on. America is just thrilled with Bush.

Less than a year ago Republicans scored a massive mid term election landslide.

America is just ga-ga over Republicans!

The Republican 2008 presidential candidates are creating tons of excitement!

I’d say the country is 79% Republican now.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Watching NBC and they are reporting CNN numbers duh.

Many children killed.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

August 15, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

To be fair rushncap is still dodging the question about whether he agrees with midori/Jill Benson.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

BD,

Perhaps.

“Clearly Midori and Rushncap have no ear for writing styles.”

Perhaps you are hearing voices because we don’t .

We read.

Geez.

By Dee Dee Knile

August 15, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Wow, only 500 dead? I guess this unequivocally proves that the surge is working.

Had the same thing happened last year 505, perhaps even 507 would have been killed.

The media NEVER reports that!!!

By @@

August 15, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

No Getalife, I don’t agree with Stu. I thought he was a weirdo.

I’m waiting for Buy Danish to bring back the info for her Maine Web Report. Are you sitting down? Are you drinking? I’ll bet it’s gonna be good.

The terrorists are the worst people in the world Getalife. You ARE drinking… admit it.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

BO said the same thing on faux to feed the base.

You are the base and stu is all yours.

Stand up and admit it, you want another terror attack for your party.

Own it, it is the gop position.

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

So sadly the carnage in Iraq continues, seemingly unabated.

I know its a rhetorical question, but are the long suffering people there, ever going to get their collective act together and end the violence and bloodshed?

How is it possible that so many human beings are essentially living the same as they were 500 years ago? I mean philosophically and religiously.

One of my great fears about this invasion disguised as an experiment in exporting democracy to the people of the Middle East was that it was a pipe dream from the beginning.

I just don’t see any serious commitment by the vast majority of the people there who can effect change to do so.

Not even by the quasi-puppet government of Malaki.

Extreme poverty, a near complete religious intolerance, three extremely disparate and untrusting tribes, hopelessness and a very long history of being against anything from the west are just not the ingredients to implement this US led democracy.

Iraq is Arabic for Viet Nam.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

@@,

The Maine Web Report website is still having a “problem loading the page”.

Coincidentally, I just happen to have an RSS feed to the MWR, and I got as far as reading the bit about knowing the post was a plant because of the IP address when I clicked on the story and it wouldn’t load.

Oodles of people are interested in this story. I can’t imagine why.

/SARC.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

“Arthur Frain, Portland ME Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.”

wingnuts are so gullible. It could be a plant, a troll, BO, etc…

That is the kind of crap BO played with kos.

It is silly game that both sides can play.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

August 15, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Proof positive that Stu is not one of “us” - us being conservatives or Republicans:

The next war comes next year when we elect the next president. The enemy is not named Bush. The enemy has names like McCain, Giugliani (SIC), Thompson, Romney. (I use “enemy” in the political sense only. I’m not calling them “terrorists” - as Sheehan has Bush.)

Getalife,

Stu is not a Moonbat like you and Cindy Sheehan (although he spells like one) but he is clearly not a Republican.

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