Mike Luckovich

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

This guy never did anything without a plan.

So why did he really quit?

Abramoff? Plame? Gannon? Palfrey? USA’s? Caging?

A new campaign? Lobbying?

It will certainly be interesting to see where the other shoe drops.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

Please, Lucko— no way will Rover ever be a Dem!

Rover expressed “joy” about what he has accomplished, and yet I don’t hear that any of the Repug candidates want to be associated with either him or Bush. I guess a failed presidency is what has brought him “joy”?

“Spreading freedom” in Iraq= failure. Privatizing Soc.Sec.= failure. “Permanent” majority= failure. Fiscal responsibility= failure.

Rover should focus next on getting Jeb Bush to run for prez, and that will certainly be another failure!

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 14, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

{{{{Heat blamed in Atlanta woman’s death- By Steve Visser- The Atlanta Journal-Constitution- The record-setting heat wave has ——finally——- claimed a life.}}}}

“Finally?” Something you libs were eagerly anticipating?

But then we turn right around and call weather that hadn’t killed anybody “murderous:”

{{{{It was the first death linked to the ——murderous weather——-that set a new record for the day’s high on Monday —- and is expected to climb higher this week.}}}}

Nothing like some good old global warming scare tactics.

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{{{{Bush haters focused their vitriol on Rove, and it became all the more venomous for its misdirection. The energy the left devoted to the Valerie Plame flap can’t be understood outside of the imperative to “get Rove.” All the supposed scandals congressional Democrats are now obsessing over will lose some of their “oomph” as Rove, their white whale, slips off into the distance under his own power. For all the investigating, he was never plausibly accused of anything particularly out of bounds, let alone criminal. His besetting sin was winning elections.}}}}

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{{{{How many times does it have to happen before people stop equating tax rates with tax revenues? Do the tax-and-spend politicians and their media supporters not know any better — or are they counting on the rest of us not knowing any better?………… We could have far fewer men going down into those mines in the first place if we could use other readily available and economically viable substitutes for coal, such as nuclear power or more of our own oil. Ask the families of the trapped miners if they think mining is safe. Ask them if they would rather face the grim reality of a death in their family than the hypothetical possibility of inconveniencing some caribou in Alaska.}}}}

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{{{{There is a war here at home, and it is even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more Americans are being killed by violent, evil people here in America than in our official military “combat zones” overseas.}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Some observers contend that part of Rove’s success is based on his willingness to fight dirty. This tendency expressed itself early. In 1970, Rove stole 1,000 sheets of letterhead from the office of Illinois Democrat Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Rove printed the message “Free beer, free food, girls, and a good time for nothing” on the sheets and distributed them as a supposed invitation to a Dixon rally. Though the rally was disrupted, Dixon won the election. Rove owned up to the stunt many years later, saying: “It was a youthful prank at the age of 19 and I regret it” (Washington Post, July 23, 1999)

By Bill

August 14, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Rove’s model was Goebels.

Everyone knows it. he copied the game plan for propaganda and campaign tactics word for word from Goebels, who stole all of his act from Machiavelli who’s hero was Taras Bulbar.

This is the most truth I’ve ever written. Rove is evil, and a very dangerous man…..

…..but a good dancer.

I predict that McCain is going to come out blasting with both barrels on Bush and Rove soon, for their dirty tricks against him in 2000. If you had seen the exchange between W and McCain at a meeting then, you’d see the enmity that has to still be there.

Rove is fleeing as I predicted he would. Cheney is next, followed by W, who may leave before the elections, leaving Cheney’s replacement to run the country till Hillary takes the throne. All Hail Queen Hillary!

The McRoves are finished. War for war’s sake is what brought down Napoleon, Caeser, and Paris & Nicole, you know.

By Mike D

August 14, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Good riddance Now if only W would follow him….

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

{{“For all the investigating, he was never plausibly accused of anything particularly out of bounds, let alone criminal. His besetting sin was winning elections.”}}

DUH— Rover claimed to have “THE MATH” in ‘06… So what happened to your little mathematician, huh, huh? I guess you can feel good about how the Repugs have been exposed in America for their “sin” of winning elections and then not being competent enough to lead or govern.

By reebok

August 14, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

Clever cartoon. Rove is a vicious little criminal who helped sell us on a hopeless war that has claimed 3,700 Amrican troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. It would be nice to think that his conscience would torture him for the rest of his life, but I doubt anyone has ever accused him of having a conscience.

By Mrs.. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Bill,

I agree - except for that good dancer part.

He move’s like the Pillsbury doughboy with a tick!

By Rove Weasel (the original)

August 14, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

In the News, I remember reading about that a while back - youthful prank, my a*. That’s like a serial killer saying that all the puppies and kittens he killed as a child was just a youthful prank.

Rove moved on because he has more elections to steal. He recognizes a lame duck and now he must be moving on. So many elections to steal, so little time.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Former Texas Republican Party chairman Thomas Pauken said of Rove: “It is dangerous to put political consultants in charge of policy. … The combination of big-government conservatism and the extraordinary neoconservative influence on foreign policy has been devastating.”

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan argues, “Rove is one of the worst political strategists in recent times. He took a chance to realign the country and to unite it in a war - and threw it away in a binge of hate-filled niche campaigning, polarization and short-term expediency.”

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Duh says

“For all the investigating, he was never plausibly accused of anything particularly out of bounds, let alone criminal.”

Not yet, Duh. Not yet.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie

August 14, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

DUH— Rover claimed to have “THE MATH” in ‘06… So what happened to your little mathematician, huh, huh? Blah Blah Blah Babble Babble Babble…}}}

GoldieChild,

Could you be anymore juvenile with your “huh, huh” entry?

I bet you just can’t stand the fact that you can’t poke DUH in the chest when you write that.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 14, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Nothing illegal?

“Rove Bugged His Own Campaign Office To Distract From A Debate. During the 1982 Clement campaign, Rove discovered an electronic listening device in his campaign office. While an FBI investigation was inconclusive, rumors later swirled that Rove in fact had planted the bug himself in order to distract from an impending debate. The local DA concluded that “Rove had hired a company to debug his office, and that the same company had planted the bug,” according to a DA’s office source.”

Filing a false report with police is criminal as far as I’m aware, but not a big deal really. Its just fun and games that wastes the time of people who could be solving crimes so that you can win an election, but so what?

My favorite dirty trick is repeating the lines about “investigations” revealing “nothing” when what you really do is not cooperate with the investigation, refuse to testify in order to keep any impropriety quiet and then anything that is found is forgotten or minimized. That is the best dirty trick and we are great at it. Look at Scooter. First it was he didn’t do anything. Then it was the Bush appointed prosecutor is biased. Then it was the jury is stupid. Then it was let him out jail, not so he won’t blab on the President but because its the right thing to do. What’s funny is that there are people that buy this crap which is why we’ll keep winning. It is simply so easy to consolidate power into the hands of the few while manipulating the fears and prejudices of the country so that we can keep doing it.

RWNJIFG

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

I am really heartbroken… I’ve been called “juvenile” by Andy-DUH. As a 3rd grader, you really know what that’s all about, dontcha DUH?

By Shawny

August 14, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Let’s try this again…..

What is with Hillary hiding her White House records until after the 2008 election?

What does she have to hide?!?

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

{{What’s funny is that there are people that buy this crap which is why we’ll keep winning.}}

Nut Job— I believe your time is up for the majority of Americans… As Bush himself has stated, “Fool me twice, um —- we won’t get fooled again!”

Dontcha just love it when a prez starts quoting Pete Townsend in his speeches???

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

GoldieDimmie

Uh, I called you juvenile.

DUH.

By Fair Is Fair

August 14, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Should Mr Bush have to answer that same question aboout his records?

His papers from the champagne unit are in his Dad’s presidential library. Why can’t we see those?

His papers from his term as Texas’ worst governor are there too? Why can’t we see those?

His business papers, including info on the SEC investigations are there too. Why can’t we see them?

By getalife

August 14, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Nothing good is written about Rove today.

He was hated worse than w but was a complete failure like w.

I think John Edwards said it best and I thought the same thing:

John Edwards today released the following statement: “Goodbye, good riddance.”

Indeed.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 14, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie August 14, 2007 8:59 AM DUH— Rover claimed to have “THE MATH” in ‘06… So what happened to your little mathematician, huh, huh?}}}}

What that little “loss” in 2006 did:

1) Exposed the impotence, ineptness and general incompetency of democrats as leaders. See the most recent congressional approval pools.

2) Exposed the bald faced lies that democrats always campaign on, they know full well what blooming idiots their voters are. How’s that promised withdrawal from Iraq going? And what about the most “honest and ethical Congress in history?”

3) Exposed the true motives of democrats lust for power for all to see, an increase in spending (after all that whining no less,) an increase in earmarks, an increase in cronyism, an increase in vacations (Pelosi sure did crack down,) backdoor tax increases, socialized healthcare, petty partisan pointless wild goose chase investigations, increased government, you know, all the things that Americans don’t want.

4) A nice little lesson for all those Republicans that stayed home or voted dem to “punish the Republicans,” now they are realizing that the only ones getting punished is them.

5) The forethought enough to know that Americans always vote to keep the majority party in check, the odds of them giving both branches of government to the dems are almost nil.

Plus you libs don’t have a serious candidate either.

You’re gonna hate 08.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 14, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Don’t get ahead of yourself. First, the Dems are going way to liberal and are going to nominate the ONLY possible Democrat who could lose. This is consistent with the tendency of Democrats to commit electoral suicide. Anyone else and the GOP has no chance. Luckily for us Democrats are their own worse enemy.

So here is the strategy. The middle of the country is very distrustful of Hillary and while they may not like the GOP right now they may hold their nose and vote GOP or just stay home. Either way, we win. Another tactic of the GOP will be to minimize the importance of the election by pointing out the reletive insignificance of Hillary’s Iraq policy and whoever they nominate’s Iraq policy. So the independents have no incentive to vote. Then it will all be about getting base out and minimizing the other sides votes through hook and crook.

Hell, we’ve done it before and we’ll do it again.

If you want to change that dynamic nominate Obama and we’ll get slaughtered. But you won’t because you’re stupid.

RWNJIFG

By DUH DUH DUH

August 14, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

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By Dusty

August 14, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Ho hum

Another day filled with the sqawks and complaints about a successful man who has served his President and his country well, the usual liberal brouhaha.

“His besetting sin was to win elections” said Duh-stands-for Democrats about Rove. How true. Democrats are still pouting and screaming because Bush won two elections fair and square and Rove helped him.

So, have Democrats moved on to help this country of ours in positive ways? No way. They are too busy still digging for SOMETHING, anything that will make Bush look bad. They can’t even support the war in Iraq for fear that it will make Bush look good. As Mrs. Godzilla said, “Just wait!” She is still counting on digging up SOMETHING after many years of trying.

Rove has served his country well. He walks away with a smile because he has helped the country in many ways. That’s a good feeling. Democrats should try it sometimes.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Wanna bet?

Twenty bucks says before the election of 2008 Rove goes down.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

{{{By Fair Is Fair

August 14, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Should Mr Bush have to answer that same question aboout his records?

His papers from the champagne unit are in his Dad’s presidential library.}}

Fair is Fair,

Bull.

Oh, and is this where you get your “facts”?

Oops.

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Good morning all!

Duh, Would you care to give concrete examples for those rantings of yours at 10:07, or are those just bad dreams you had last night.

In other words, you are spewing the same neo-con rhetoric about the Democratic party with no proof to back it up.

How’s that promised withdrawal from Iraq going? Bush vetoed it.

And what about the most “honest and ethical Congress in history?” Do you REALLY want to go there?

An increase in earmarks - source please. Yeah, that Alaskan bridge to no where was really helpful.

An increase in cronyism - do you mean like how Bush hired all his Texas friends to ruin our country?

Socialized healthcare? When did we get socialized healthcare? I missed that. Does that mean I can cancel my health insurance now?

Petty partisan pointless wild goose chase investigations? Do you mean like when Ken Starr was running around doing the same thing? How many Congressional subpoenas did Clinton get? How many has Bush gotten?

Increased government? Do you mean like Bush trying to amend the Constitution so that gay people can’t get married? Do you mean like wire tapping people’s phone calls?

In other words, please spare us with your baseless, hypocritical rantings.

By Fair Is Fair

August 14, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Show me where they were actually released.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

RWNJIFG

Followup from late yesterday -

My “way off base” comment re: the “keep shopping” comment was that the comment itself was off base - not that it wasn’t said. It was advocating what many here advocate - don’t let your lives be ruled by the uncertainty of fear - go about your lives. It was a time of much uncertainty, not knowing capabilities, who was funneling supplies to al Qaeda, who might do so - so it was done as reassurance. I think it was overboard, and either misread by many, or willfully misinterpreted for partisan political advantage.

Which is why I smile when I read so much about “uniting” the country. The nature of politics is division and gaining support of the largest blocks - or enough to win. True, the country can be mostly united (there’s always a 20% “out there” for any issue) for broad concepts, but the “how to” is when the divisions come in. Or when the complaining party gains power - witness the Pelosi/Reid talk before the election and the actions after, with the justification “well, the Republicans did it!” Yes, they did, but Pelosi/Reid said they’d be different. Uniters, not dividers.

Remember Sen Kennedy during the Supreme Court nomination hearings - “he’s a divider, not a uniter” (more politics in the confirmation process). Any nominee Kennedy would come up with, if it was a litmus test candidate (Biden’s default position) will be a divider for much of the country.

But “he didn’t unite the country” or “he’s a divider, not a uniter” are good sound bites, aren’t they? And they further keep the country divided! LOL!

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

What’s happening in Room 641A of 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco remains one of the most closely-held secrets in the U.S. government. According to a former AT&T employee who assisted two technicians cleared to work in the telecommunications complex on Folsom Street, 641A served as a vacuum cleaner for phone calls and e-mails of terrorism suspects, routing them to the National Security Agency.

By Midori

August 14, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

“What we’ve witnessed is both the rise and fall of his political dream,” said David Gergen, an adviser to other presidents. “Karl will go on, but the dream has gone smash, to create an enduring Republican majority.” ….. In the process, he brought a politics of division, a strategy of winning by cultivating an increasingly polarized electorate and motivating a majority around the kinetic issues of terrorism, gay marriage, tax cuts and conservative values.

That made winning elections easier but governing much more difficult.

“They made a judgment that you can govern the country and get large changes done with bare majorities, with 51 percent and steamrolling the opposition,” Mr. Gergen said.

“The history has been that if you wanted to get the large things done in Washington, you need to do it with supermajorities. They went the other way.”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 14, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Dusty says:

“Rove has served his country well. He walks away with a smile because he has helped the country in many ways.”

I’m very interested in the ways Rove has helped the country. Please name two.

RWNJIFG

By mm

August 14, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

[[[So, have Democrats moved on to help this country of ours in positive ways? No way. They are too busy still digging for SOMETHING, anything that will make Bush look bad. They can’t even support the war in Iraq for fear that it will make Bush look good.]]]

None of the Democrats have had to put forth any effort to make Bush look bad. He and his advisors have accomplished that by themselves.

This is why the Dems will win congress and the presidency in a landslide. Because you wingnuts cannot admit that you still support a fool who set this country back 40 years.

After the first 4 years nobody thought Bush would win again. But he did and that was the wakeup call.

Nobody will allow another wingnut in the whitehouse. Enough is enough.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

{{Uh, I called you juvenile.}}

Danish-DUH, excuse me… I sometimes get confused between your juvenile postings and the other DUH’s…

By Paul

August 14, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Hello Bosch

If I may point something out - your remarks about earmarks, hearings, Iraq, are pretty much on the mark. Reps did much of the same in some areas. But I think there are a lot of voters who ask “how are the parties really different - not just in rhetoric, but in performance once they gain power?” and it’s here I think many of the conservative posters have a point: it doesn’t seem there is much (admit the Rep shortcomings, pointing out same with Dems in power).

Leads to questions of who to support for ‘08. It’s still shaking out - and as Dems redefine their “get out of Iraq” position to mean (now) “get partway out, maybe back in” it’s still quite murky.

Reps “did it” (spending, Iraq, etc). Or didn’t (health care, immigration). Voters get it. What many don’t get is the justification used by Dems for doing (or not doing) the same kinds of things. Little Bosch and Little Boschette. One’s no excuse for the other -

Just a thought -

By Can't Resist

August 14, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

How True

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

{{Which is why I smile when I read so much about “uniting” the country. The nature of politics is division and gaining support of the largest blocks}}

Paul— you must’ve been a big supporter of the Reagan-Bush years when they were trying to demonize about 50% of Americans for being “the L-word”… I believe presidents up until that administration felt it was best to try and “unite” the country, no matter its citizens’ political beliefs. Didn’t Abe Lincoln himself state something about “a country divided…”?

We have so much to thank the Reagan years for, don’t we? Quite a legacy…

By DebbieDoRight

August 14, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

OK here’s the scenario: We have an over worked, tired, war weary, military that has been back and forth to Iraq and/or Afghanistan for the past 4 years. Military retention: DOWN; military enlistment: DOWN; how do we plan to solve it?

Well, if you’re a repuglican you ignore the problem, refute the facts, throw rocks at the dems, then if nothing else works, you blame Clinton. OR blame the liberal media for never reporting the “good news” only the bad stuff that enables the terrorists. But at the end of the day, we STILL have the same problem; with no one trying to fix it.

This is the Repuglican’s Guide To Governing America.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Midori 10:31

Your Gergen quote and comments are spot on. What’s a pity is Democrats apparently interpreted the early success as making it a strategy worth emulating, so emulate they did. And look what we have. Obama may be the only one actively trying to conduct business away from that style.

By Shawny

August 14, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

FIF…I am with you. I want full disclosure. Bush, Clinton, every single earmark that old man Byrd tosses into bills….everything. Bush isn’t running for election, though. Clingon is.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Goldie

My “uniting” remark was in the context of what Midori posted just after - the “supermajority” concept. There will never be 100 percent - so my “20% will always be contrary” position.

I can’t comment on your Reagan question as I’ve no idea what the “L-word” is. If you could enlighten me - I suppose I’m not up on the latest limits on speech.

By Spike

August 14, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bush. This alcoholic misfit continues to speak of “our success in Iraq.” The Iraq “war.” Misbegotten, misrepresented, mismanaged. Stoned on his own mighty delusions, SimpleBush still raves of installing a functioning democracy in a country long torn apart by civil war and long aflame with anchient religious differences and grievances. Bush started an entirely predictable and completely unwinnable war against a nation that had absolutely no role in the acts of 9/11. The invasion was one of the most arrogant, ignorant, implausable and costly blunders in the entire histoy of US foreign relations - and we’ve had quite a few blunders. It has empowered our global enemies beyond their wildest dreams and hopes.

Bush will still be waiting 2 years from now, cruising in his simple-minded manner on his riding mower back in Texas while a new president struggles to extract the country from this filthy, insane, disastrous, unsolvable mess. No matter the buckets of blood which adorn his heart, soul, and limited mental powers.

By Midori

August 14, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Rove’s merger of politics and policy was an effort to forge a total one-party state. While he is acclaimed as a political strategist, his true innovation was in governing. He sought to subordinate the entire federal government to his goal of creating a permanent Republican majority. Every department and agency has been subject to an intense and thorough politicization.

Indeed, Rove’s ambitious plan was tantamount to a proto-Sovietization. Even science has been suppressed in the name of the party line, recalling the Lysenko episode. Cheney and Rove acted as the pincers of the unitary executive. While Cheney sought to concentrate unaccountable power in the presidency, Rove brought down the anvil of politics on the professional career staff.

Rove’s radicalization of government was early described by the first member of the administration to quit in disgust, John DiIulio, a University of Pennsylvania professor and the first director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. He discovered that “compassionate conservatism,” Rove’s slogan for Bush’s 2000 campaign, was little more than a sham. “What you’ve got is everything — and I mean everything — being run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis,” said DiIulio.

By Shawny

August 14, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

ok, I’m no fan of Rove or Bush, but that Salon post is WAY OUT THERE!

A one-party state…will never see it in this country, nor would we want to.

A permanent majority…will never see it, nor would we want to.

Ridiculous rantings from a very left wing rag.

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Good morning Paul - I agree - I was just pointing out Duh/Andy’s hypocrisy - somebody has to do it. I get tired, just like everybody else, of blaming with no solutions. I’m just as tired from the Democratic side of blame, blame, blame, with no results.

I’ve never gotten the impression from Democrats that they want to get out of Iraq completely. If you read the Democratic game plan. I know there are many here that will scoff at that plan, but to say that the Deomcrats don’t have a plan, is just a lie. You may not agree with the plan on a fundamental level, but it goes along more with what I want to see, now if the Democratic politicians will pull it off, that’s another question. Who knows. We can only hope.

I could go on and on, but there’s no need.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 14, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

{{{{D.C. resident John Lockwood was conducting research at the Library of Congress and came across an intriguing Page 2 headline in the Nov. 2, 1922 edition of The Washington Post: “Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.” “This was one of several such articles I have found at the Library of Congress for the 1920s and 1930s,” says Mr. Lockwood. “I had read of the just-released NASA estimates, that four of the 10 hottest years in the U.S. were actually in the 1930s, with 1934 the hottest of all.”}}}}

I always wanted a 1922 Ford Expedition, they’re just too damn rare to find.

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{{{{Reacting yesterday to word that certain European governments and officials are suddenly trying to abandon their costly “global warming” policies, Royal Astronomical Society fellow Benny Peiser, of the science faculty at Liverpool John Moores University in Great Britain, recalls the teachings of Marcus Aurelius: “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”}}}}

And to think, I’ve still never been in the “ranks of the insane,” haha.

By @@

August 14, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

I’ve never understood this liberal obsession with Karl Rove, other than the fact that the conspiracy theorists believe he stole the election.

Once in place Rove was the master of “the wedgie”. His legacy continues inside the DEMOCRATIC PARTY today.

Hilariously funny.

The liberals have had their underwear up their cracks since 2000.

In my opinion, the only policy that Rove got wrong was the immigration bill and Bush is capitalizing on it’s demise big time.

So, from inside the political experiment, I offer a hearty “wave” and “smile” to Karl.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

The “Center Right” Republican majority forged by Reagan and Gingrich has been squandered by Rove’s realignment pipe dream that was based on the premise of big government for the sake of power.

VERY LEFT WING RAG

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

[An April 2005 Frontline documentary about the Republican political strategist contended that Bush’s 2004 election win was the crowning achievement in a 30-year plan that Rove had devised to make the Republican Party the permanent majority party in the United States.] (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1343)

ANOTHER VERY LEFT WING RAG?

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

It was a great night to watch Fox News. The smirks of confidence were few and far between during “You Decide: Election 2006.” No more talk about “the permanent Republican majority.” No mention of elitist Democrats overseeing their shrinking coastal regions. No tributes to the genius of Karl Rove. Everyone knew it was going to be a rough ride: The voting masses were obviously off-message.

YET ANOTHER LEFT WING RAG?

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

@@, It’s not an obsession, it’s called disgust.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

I see Duh is still a glbal warming denier.

Anybody who does not see the threat of climate change is either intellectually defective or dishonest.

The science is in. There are those who don’t like the score.

And we know what “they” do when they don’t like the score - they change the game, cheat, lie etc.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Bosch

I’ve been referencing “Real Security” for months now - yours is the first response, ever, I think. Even from Democrats! It struck me as pretty expensive, but they’ve just done initial funding for ship cargo inspections, so it’s a start.

I didn’t catch the //sarc// in your post. I know about that - it’s easy to fall into the trap - tiredness or not.

My impression was that Dem candidates (as opposed to the Democratic Party plan “Real Security”) was to get out. It was highlighted by Obama’s “you voted, I didn’t” - then we heard “get out” and as recently as a couple of months ago in a speech to the Democratic National Committee Hillary said,”If we in Congress don’t end this war before January 2009, as president, I will.” Granted, she was trying to blunt Obama and Edwards, but many who hear that think “end” means “end it for us.” Not as she said later, “redeploy, train, provide security, be ready to go back in…” Hence Biden’s “time to tell the truth here” comment (sorry if I sound like a broken record) - I’d update that simile, but I’m not aware of anything equivalent for a CD.

I don’t think the Richardson plan is realistic (out in six months, turn out the lights, the party’s over). But if I read you correctly, I agree with you - candidates should say what they mean, clearly, stop the word games, and give the voters clear choices.

If you’re broken down at the side of a road in the middle of nowhere, accusing the other person of doing a sloppy job getting the car serviced doesn’t help in getting a tow truck.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

An April 2005 Frontline documentary about the Republican political strategist contended that Bush’s 2004 election win was the crowning achievement in a 30-year plan that Rove had devised to make the Republican Party the permanent majority party in the United States

ANOTHER VERY LEFT WING RAG?

By David

August 14, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Rove never really cared that we defeat terrorism around the world…all he wanted was to use the “PHONEY WAR”( see Gingrich, Newt) as a way to win the 2002 election with the most slim majority. Defeating terrorism requires a UNITED country willing to cooperate against the terrorist thugs. He rammed through the unneeded tax-cuts (pleasing the Repub. base) before the war started because he knew that there was no way the country would approve the tax-cuts after the war began. He wanted to change the country by just throwing red meat to the base. That’s no way to govern the Greatest Nation on Earth. Good Riddance, Turd Blossom!

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Paul, “If you’re broken down at the side of a road in the middle of nowhere, accusing the other person of doing a sloppy job getting the car serviced doesn’t help in getting a tow truck.”

Classic. I wish I’d thought of that. That’s a good one. Yes, you read me correctly, that’s what I’m really tired of.

To be honest, if I listened to what the Dem or Rep candidates were saying all right now, my head would explode. I really don’t pay word for word attention to the candidates until they get down to the nitty gritty. Usually a couple of them will stick their foot in their mouths so far up they’ll have to pull out. Example Dean.

Like I said the other day, I would love for a candidate to just say what they mean (my example was the gay marriage question on the You Tube debate - I would have loved for some candidate to say, “You know, as the POTUS, I don’t really give a rat’s a$$ if you get married or not, I’ve got more important things to think about - it’s not my place to decide that - it’s between you, your church, and your priest).

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 14, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

{{{{just-released NASA estimates, that four of the 10 hottest years in the U.S. were actually in the 1930s, with 1934 the hottest of all………Reacting yesterday to word that certain European governments and officials are suddenly trying to abandon their costly “global warming” policies.}}}}

Hail the foremost world renowned climatologist at the luckovich blog, recognized by her peers both home and abroad, hear her speak:

{{{{By Mrs. Godzilla August 14, 2007 11:29 AM And we know what “they” do when they don’t like the score - they change the game, cheat, lie etc.}}}}

Faced with facts, the great climatologist Godzilla, wielding her vast knowledge and decades of experience sputters pure scientific formulae, err, I mean, dissembles troves of hard evidence, um, well, whatever, kneel before her and shut up y’all.

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Good riddance to bad trash. Though I’m pretty sure that Rove will find a new and ingenious way to screw over this country in no time flat. While the man will undoubtedly go down in American history as a villain — a New World Oliver Cromwell without a shred of the positives that can at least be attributed to Brit. There are few men who can have a lasting negative impact on a country such as ours, but I’m sure Rove will be remembered for a long time for just that. I’m just dreading the next chapter.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

The “science” has just been shown by the NASA to be wrong and DUH linked to a story about icebergs melting in the 1920s.

Why can’t you assimilate these two very obvious and simple info bytes?

Ideology?

Rushncap,

I’d like to hear some nice cold hard facts instead of delusional rantings.

Why don’t you tell us exactly what Rove did to “screw over this Country”, and fill us in as to how he is like Oliver Cromwell.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

{{A permanent majority…will never see it, nor would we want to.}}

Shawny— correct… but that was Rover’s “plan”, to have a “permanent” majority, so it’s a wonderful thing that his sham-scam has been revealed for what it really was!

By Truthman

August 14, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Karl Rove: another closeted Republican homosexual. I mean, he must be! He WAS president of the college Repugs, and we all know that job leads to other “jobs!”

Bwahahahaha!!!

All I can say is MAKE SURE YOU TAKE AWAY HIS GOVERNMENT BLACKBERRY, PHONE AND COMPUTER. I don’t trust him any furhter than I can throw Andi!!

By getalife

August 14, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

@@,

Watch this clip and you may get a clue on Rove

There is a new threat out there and her name is Barbie.

Geez, pinkos.

By Shawny

August 14, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Goldie, That was his plan according to the blogger in Salon. Love him or hate him, Rove is no idiot. There is no way that he actually believed that they could achieve a one party system or a permanent majority. Nobody is that dumb.

By @@

August 14, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

Prepare yourself for more (you see !?!disgust!?!) I see obsession with Rove.

(((Planning for a GOP victory from his home in Texas, Rove may prove to be a more formidable foe for the Democratic Party than if he were to remain in Washington, under the heat of pending political scandals, upon which the proverbial sword may fall at any moment.)))

Personally I think the sword may be wielded, but it’ll never fall where liberals want it to. How much time and energy Democrat’s want to expend waving it over their heads will determine 2008, but if they choose not to, they’ve proved nothing…won nothing.

(((As Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s former campaign manager told USA Today: “Karl outside the White House is more dangerous to Democrats than Karl inside the White House,” where “he’ll have lots more free time, now, to dream up ways to boost President Bush’s standing, ‘re-brand’ the GOP, and conquer the 2008 electoral map.”)))

I love strategic gameplay Bosch. The Democrats played the “wedge” game long before Karl Rove. They were on the wrong side of everything that was in America’s best interest. They paid the price in 2000, but they have never changed their game plan.

Bill Clinton was a master of the “the wedgie” and you see where that got him. Put aside the war in Iraq. Think like an American in philosophical terms.

Americans are winners at heart. Which party advocates cynicism and defeatism?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Good day all! What a beautiful day in the neighborhood!! The architect of evil has been banished from the kingdom…many heads will roll before ‘09…gonna love ‘08! I fear though that we should start saying our tearful goodbyes to the likes of dust ball, bi-danish, duh…all our favorite sounding boards…I doubt they will stick around our little blog for much longer…unless I have underestimated their stupidity (which I do often)…or they develop a taste for crow.

By mm

August 14, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

More poop from the wingnut group.

Shawny, pull your head our of your butt and read/watch the news. I’ve read several articles today about Rove’s desire to have a permanent Republican majority. He was a nutjob.

Duh, @@, and Dusty, still denying global warming and painting Bush as a hero. Pathetic

Cartoonists weigh in on Rove.

By DebbieDoRight

August 14, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

The Bush Presidency: Is nothing real?

some of us can remember a time when a president understood himself to be not just the leader of his party but also the leader of his nation. Some of us can remember when he was expected, at least some of the time, to place himself above politics, to act as the living embodiment of the nation’s ideals, president of all its people. A time when truth was truth was truth — and truth was the ultimate arbiter of dissension.

Now politics is truth.

At the end of The Truman Show, Truman Burbank, the innocent who has just learned his life to this point was a TV fantasy, addresses the man responsible. His question is poignant. “Was nothing real?”

I can imagine a similar question lifting from the American electorate in January of 2009 as we finally exit an eight-year sojourn in a political fantasy where there were no ideals — only ideologies, expediencies, angles to be worked and appeals to the base.

Was nothing real? Was nothing true? Was nothing beyond politics?

The answer has been self-evident for a long time now: No, nothing was.

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard_pitts/story/169784.html

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Shawny @ 12:13 — there are plenty of reports of Rover’s “permanent” majority schemes if you care to read any, not just a “blogger in Salon”:

When Rove came to Washington, after the 2000 election, he envisioned creating an enduring Republican majority—the permanent mobilization of the Party’s broad, socially conservative base. Part of his strategy was to cast as threats, in alarming terms, same-sex marriage, abortion rights, and other bogeymen of the right. It is Rove’s cleverness, combined with his joie de combat, that made him insufferable to Democrats.

Now, though, the Democrats are gloating—and happy to point out that little more than thirty per cent of the public approves of Bush’s job performance. Andrew Sullivan, a disaffected conservative, has joked on his blog that Rove seems to be getting his permanent majority—except that it’s a Democratic one.

And I might agree with you that “Rove is no idiot”, insofar as most other dictator-wannabes would not be considered idiots either…

By Truthman

August 14, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

So Karl Rove cut and ran…typical of the neo-con, chicken-ship basturd he is!!

Cut and run Repugs!

You’re gonna love ‘08, Andi/Luckodunce

By Truthman

August 14, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Forget “rebranding the GOP.”

Let’s just “brand” them…permanently so we can identify them!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Duh and Danish

I will not debate you on this.

The IPCC report issued this year was written by 800 climate researchers and vetted by 2500 scientists from 130 countries. Y’all posted 2 sources.

Score:

Duh, Danish and Deniers 2

Planet Earth 3300

Y’all got a passle o’posting to do.

By ARTC

August 14, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot, they’re too stupid to leave and they enjoy putting their stupidity on display. But it sure will be fun to pile the abuse onto these blissful idiots.

By Midori

August 14, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

MM — excellent toons; very funny.

Goldie, et. al — careful not to shatters Shawny’s lil convenient dream world.

Exhibit A: Still searching for “today’s toon that doesn’t suck”, S?

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

@@, I tend to agree with you on that (in regards to preparing myself for more disgust). He needs another neo-con to get elected. I can’t see him working for Guiliani or Romney, maybe Thompson?

What do you mean by Clinton was the master of “the wedgie.” Where did that get him? What were his approval ratings when he left office? What does the populace think of Clinton (Bill) now? He seems to be pretty well regarded.

I’ve had conservative friends ask me what would I think of Bush if it weren’t for the Iraq war. And my answer has always been, “I’m sorry, I can’t answer that because he IS this war.”

I think like an American all the time, I have the right to disagree with my government and express my opinions even if they don’t like it - and also accept the fact that there are many who disagree with me about my opinions (although the polls are tipped in my favor right now).

And since we are speaking in rhetorical questions - you asked, “Which party advocates cynicism and defeatism?” I’m not much of a “party” person. I don’t tow the absolute party line. But if you can’t see the faults of your own Republican party, then that is quite naive.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

@@

I saw Kirsten Powers (Democratic strategist at powers-point.com) interviewed last night - wasn’t much interested in Rove as a “hot” topic. Said she thought his influence had waned during the second administration after some bad calls. Thought many Democrats give him more power or influence (now) than he deserves. She also smiled and said, in effect, many people like to have a bogeyman to attack.

Interesting perspective -

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

{{They were on the wrong side of everything that was in America’s best interest.}}

OMG, Boobs— are you really saying that the Dems have been on the wrong side of “EVERYTHING”? Such as:

establishing the 40-hour work week and minimum wage laws;

abolishing child slavery in American factories;

establishing the Soc. Security system so that your Grandma wouldn’t die of starvation;

promoting scientific studies for medicine, such as polio vaccines and birth control pills;

promoting laws that keep gov’t intrusion out of Americans’ bedrooms.

So which side of America have YOU been on all these years???

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Has anybody seen anything at all from the republican presidential candidates on Rove’s retirement?

By @@

August 14, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

(((But if you can’t see the faults of your own Republican party, then that is quite naive.)))

That’s ^^^ pretty much my point. There’s not a conservative on this site who hasn’t acknowledged the faults within the GOP, the problem is that all of the liberal’s here fail to recognize that we have.

We’re neo-cons, we’re greedy, we’re blind partisans, we’re war-mongers, we’re religious fantatics, we’re racists and bigots, we’re ignorant when it comes to the science of global warming.

I think it’s safe to say that “WE” conservatives here are none of the above, but the left NEEDS us to be what they believe…true or not.

Conservatives tend to think rather than react.

By RE

August 14, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Conservatives tend to think rather than react.

Hah, Funny. Good one. Well thought out tax cuts. Well thought out war planning in Iraq. Well thought out war planning in afghanistan.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

@@

Please acknowledg the faults within the GOP.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 11:30—

My impression is that most of the Dem candidates are supportive of Pelosi’s “The Democratic Plan” from ‘06. Richardson has stated in a debate that his is different. Biden has a different plan, too. But both Hillary and Obama have stated that they would remove American troops from “combat positions” in Iraq, and would instead refocus on being in support positions to the Iraqi military and tracking down the terrorists who have attacked America, i.e. Bin Laden et al (see Bosch’s link @ 11:13 for “The Democratic Plan”).

My impression of most Dems’ words of “get out” means to remove our troops from being the primary combat forces in Iraq. I have only heard a couple say that “get out” means the same as “turn out the lights and go home” (Kucinich and Richardson)… and as far as I know, neither are considered as frontrunners for ‘08.

And if you’re always asking that “candidates should say what they mean, clearly,”, you might want to draft your former Repug senator from VA to run for prez — ole whathisname “Macaca Allen”. Now he was pretty clear to ALOT OF AMERICANS what he was talking about — so much so that he was booted outta the Senate!

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Dirty-Bomb Politics

By @@

August 14, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I’ve watched Kirsten Powers. I have found her to be very reasonable in her assessments. I think she was the one who said that the radical left was destroying the Democratic party.

I know that what I’ve witnessed here from the radical left has pretty much destroyed my confidence in the Democrats. Pandering to their kind of base for political gains has been a real eye-opener.

You keep pointing out to them that the Dem candidates can’t take back their words on Iraq. They can change them to appeal to the independents, but I’ve always seen independents as smarter than the average Democrat.

Good article on ^^^ that topic.

The Democrats Get Hawkish

(((Ninety-two percent of Americans are opposed to an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, and a majority doesn’t want to see the US’s special detention camp at Guantanamo Bay closed. At the moment, the American electorate’s biggest criticism of Bush is that he has “not been aggressive enough” in pursuing terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.)))

(((The results of opinion polls weigh heavily in the third-largest nation on earth, a country spanning four climate zones. Politicians, no matter how affable, are simply incapable of fully gauging public opinion by meeting with their constituents or making local campaign appearances. In a country as vast as America, professional pollsters play a more important role than anyplace else on earth, especially with elections just around the corner.)))

The left is inspired by polls without questioning the motives behind them. I’ve always been of the opinion that polls don’t reflect ALL of American opinion, just selective snippets.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Also, boobs, re: my post @ 12:40—

And you must also believe that the Dems bringing forth the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was “the wrong side” of America’s best interests???

Please do tell us all what side of America you’ve been promoting…

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

@@

2 things…

please acknowledge the faults within the GOP

and

site source for the 92% figure.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

{{I know that what I’ve witnessed here from the radical left has pretty much destroyed my confidence in the Democrats.}}

No, Boobs, I remember you posting awhile back how you changed to being a Repugnant once you got married to one… and before that, you were a Dem because you had a boyfriend who was a Dem and whom you described as “crazy” or “bi-polar”, or some words like that.

You’ve just always had to count on your men-folk to tell you what you should believe, yes???

By @@

August 14, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

RE:

The “WE” I referred to was individual conservatives here at ml’s. We deal with present and future situations. We don’t dwell in the past.

Mrs. G:

I will not acknowledge those for you again. You should have been paying closer attention when RW, Andy, Buy Danish, Dusty and myself have done so in the past. I can recall each and every one.

It didn’t serve your purpose to pay attention then, and I won’t serve at your convenience now.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 14, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Mrs. Godzilla August 14, 2007 12:34 PM I will not debate you on this.}}}}

Because you will lose, either that or you are too stupid to interpretate your own evidence, which is it?

{{{{The IPCC report issued this year was written by 800 climate researchers and vetted by 2500 scientists from 130 countries. Y’all posted 2 sources.}}}}

Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

Converted by overwhelming evidence.

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

OMG - Goldie, is that what @@ is? Boobs?…”It didn’t serve your purpose to pay attention then, and I won’t serve at your convenience now.”

strangely, she has my attention now :)

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Duh posts an article by Marc Marano

“”Marc Morano is communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committe under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee’s website that largely promotes the views of climate change sceptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was “previously known as Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington,’ as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine.” [2] “”

From Source watch

DUH - No points there

By getalife

August 14, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

@@ is saying the gop are pathetic corporate wh-ore failures and have done nothing but destroy this country.

Rove was the leader and the gop hate him for cutting and running leaving behind nothing but failures.

Geez.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

@@

If I say please! If I admit that somehow I missed any acknowledgement of the faults of the GOP?

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa

Now will you?

Also that 92% number?

By getalife

August 14, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

duh,

Please tell us when you were right about anything.

Geez.

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

No Muffin, you don’t want to hear “cold hard facts”. But here are some to begin with: look up what he did to McCain in South Carolina primaries. Or him leaking Plame’s name and lying about it. Or him being instrumental in this Iraq debacle. Or him finding a “bug” in a Texas election during his early years. I could keep going, of course, but you will never look up any of the things I already mentioned, so why waste my time?

By @@

August 14, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

Did you just call me a “racist/bigot” at 1:06? Yes, I believe you did.

The VRA was not wrong. It was right.

What’s wrong is the Democrat’s insistence that requiring a national ID for voters is somehow discriminatory. I see it differently. I think it would close the divide, eliminate suspiscions. I cannot understand their opposition, unless…..????

The Democratic party’s intention has always been to keep us divided by race, ethnicity, gender, and finances.

I, for one am tired of it. There is no country in this world that offers greater opportunity than the U.S., but the Democratic Party would have liberals believe that only THEY can assure Americans of that opportunity. They’ll give it to you in bits and pieces, but never the whole pie. It wouldn’t serve their self-interest to do so.

I’m outta here and on the road.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

This is for you:

If you think it’s a no-brainer that humans are causing catastrophic global warming, here’s your opportunity to earn an easy US $100,000!/Click the graphic to go to JunkScience.com’s ULTIMATE GLOBAL WARMING CHALLENGE!

Good luck with that!

By Cindy

August 14, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

I can agree with Bosch, etal. who say that both Dems and Repugs are alike in that their profession is politics and they play their game.

However, I believe in the Madisonian government so I will never be a libertarian.

Also, this administration has taught me that the greatest protector of my constitutional rights are the Democrats.

Over the last few years I have seen that the Dems are more likely to want to spend money on US citizens than to blow it up in Iraq.

Geez, with 3 billion a month we could fix all the bridges and provide 4 year scholarships to every graduating senior that wants to go to college. Oh, is that socialistic to want to spend US tax dollars on US citizens?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Wait @@, Wait

Don’t go!

You have forgotten to answer my entreaty!

Please enlighten this old liberal.

I’m REALLY sorry I wasn’t paying attention when “RW, Andy, Buy Danish, Dusty and myself have done so in the past. I can recall each and every one.”

I admit I was in error not listening to you the first time. And since you have the info so handy, it wouldn’t hurt would it?

Please @@!

and about that 92%?

By RE

August 14, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Dwell on the past?

We aren’t talking about the civil war here, this all within the last 6 years, and all examples of poorly thought out reactionary decisions with no long term planning. This is a childs way of thinking, and it is an example of how the current incarnation of the GOP acts. Even as recently as the mid 90s, the GOP took long term thinking and planning into account when governing, that is no longer the case.

Just trying to figure out the time frames here, if I comment on something that already happened, I am dwelling in the past. So should I only be able to comment on decisions that have not been made yet? Doesn;t make sense

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Uh, good luck Mrs. Godzilla. You’re once again trying to get something intelligible out of @@. Trust me, she’ll play linebacker in the NFL before she admits herself or those she supports to be imperfect in any way.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish post from Junk Science a Steven Milloy production

From SourceWatch

Steven J. Milloy is a columnist for Fox News and a paid advocate for Phillip Morris, ExxonMobil and other corporations. From the 1990s until the end of 2005, he was an adjunct scholar at the libertarian think tank the Cato Institute.

Milloy runs the website Junkscience.com, which is dedicated to debunking what he alleges to be false claims regarding global warming, DDT, environmental radicalism and scare science among other topics.[1] His other website, CSR Watch.com, is focused around attacking the corporate social responsibility movement. He is also head of the Free Enterprise Action Fund, a mutual fund he runs with tobacco executive Tom Borelli, who happens to be listed as the secretary of the Advancement of Sound Science Center, an organisation Milloy operates from his home in Potomac, Maryland .

Milloy holds a B.A. in Natural Sciences from the Johns Hopkins University, a Master of Health Sciences in Biostatistics from the Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, a Juris Doctorate from the University of Baltimore, and a Master of Laws from the Georgetown University Law Center.[2]

In January 2006, Paul D. Thacker reported in The New Republic that Milloy has received thousands of dollars in payments from the Phillip Morris company since the early nineties, and that NGOs controlled by Milloy have received large payments from ExxonMobil [3]. A spokesperson for Fox News stated, “Fox News was unaware of Milloy’s connection with Philip Morris. Any affiliation he had should have been disclosed.”

NO POINTS THERE EITHER

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncap

August 14, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

No Muffin, you don’t want to hear “cold hard facts”. But here are some to begin with: look up what he did to McCain in South Carolina primaries. Or him leaking Plame’s name and lying about it. Or him being instrumental in this Iraq debacle. Or him finding a “bug” in a Texas election during his early years. I could keep going, of course, but you will never look up any of the things I already mentioned, so why waste my time?}}

rushncap,

What you call “cold hard facts” is peddling falsehoods and rumors like snakeoil.

Just to arbitrarily pick one of your accusations out of a hat, it was Richard Armitage who leaked Valerie Plames’ name.

And if you care so much about Plame’s name being leaked, why have I never heard you complain about Dana Priest or James Risen leaked that irreparably harmed our national security?

As for the Iraq War, please be specific as to his role in what you term a “debacle”. Are you claiming that Bush invaded Iraq on Rove’s advice, or perhaps you would like to claim that he advised Rumsfeld on military strategy?

By mm

August 14, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

We have a winner by @@ at 1:14!!!!

[[[The “WE” I referred to was individual conservatives here at ml’s. We deal with present and future situations. We don’t dwell in the past.]]]

So why do we see Bill Clinton’s name brought up every single day?

Geez, you wingnuts contradict yourselves every other post.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

{{is that what @@ is? Boobs?…}}

Raised— that’s what she explained a good while back in the past. You should ask her what the symbols mean now… she may have changed her mind. Just like she did about being a Dem.

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Muffin — yeah, Kent Hovind also has a challenge… for $250,000, no less, for anyone who can “prove evolution”. Unfortunately, since the man who proposed the challenge is currently doing a stint for tax evasion, he may not be able to pay that out any time soon.

By the way, the “junkscience” challenge is brain-dead even by standards of idiots like yourself. Here is one of the conditions: “The benefits equal or exceed the costs of any increases in global temperature caused by manmade greenhouse gas emissions between the present time and the year 2100, when all global social, economic and environmental effects are considered.” Translation: consider all social, economic and environmental factors for the next century. Reminds me of the famous “physics final question from hell” — Define ‘Universe’. Give 3 examples. Sigh…

On a related note, I offer $1,000,000, cold hard cash, to anyone who can prove that there are no unicorns under my bed.

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Excuse me, but does anyone else see this as hypocritical?

@@ claims at 12:51 that we make stereotypical assumptions about them, then we get these statements:

@ 1:05 “The left is inspired by polls without questioning the motives behind them.”

@1:29 “The Democratic party’s intention has always been to keep us divided by race, ethnicity, gender, and finances.”

“but the Democratic Party would have liberals believe that only THEY can assure Americans of that opportunity. They’ll give it to you in bits and pieces, but never the whole pie. It wouldn’t serve their self-interest to do so.”

Anybody?

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{By rusncap—Or him leaking Plame’s name and lying about it.}}}}

That is a classic example of what @@ has been saying about the way the moonbat(ic)s® here refuse to give up on their fantastical beliefs about conservatives no matter the evidence.

Mrs. G,

If you go back into the archives at the time that Harriet Myers was nominated for SCOTUS you’ll find plenty of examples. Go back to the Dubai Ports World timeframe and you’ll find a very interesting dichotomy. Conservatives were split and remained so while debating why they felt the way they did. The liberals on this board started out with a few different views and then rapidly flocked together behind a few well rehearsed talking points.

Same with the Immigration Bill if you want something more recent.

Bosch,

In all seriousness I’d like to know what poll you’re using to say the American people are on your side of the issues right now so we can analyze whether there’s any truth to that statement.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

{{The VRA was not wrong. It was right.}}

But, Boobs @ 1:29— how can that be?

You’ve already posted that the Dems were wrong on “everything” that is in America’s best interests… and now you must be claiming that when you posted the word “everything”, you only really meant being against the Voter ID cards? Just how shallow are you, exactly???

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Muffin — take it up with Novak. He said Rove was his source, not me. So shove it.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

RW,

I think you do a serious injustice to @@.

She’s a grown woman and might just resent your appearance to fight her battles.

Are you saying that I might see differences of opinion between GOP supporters over the subjects you mentioned? That’s not quite what @@ and I were discussing.

She was talking about the faults of the GOP that she had previously acknowledged, and remembered (each and every one).

I apologized for my inattentiveness, but to no avail.

I’m thinking @@ just doesn’t like me?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

OMG - I can’t stop laughing today…I don’t know if I’m just giddy over the Rove thingie or if the neo-cons are just funnier than usual today. I’ve got a bunch of roosters on sale in my shop today…I’m calling them the Rove c** sale…10% off…come get your cocks while they last!

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

{{Geez, with 3 billion a month we could fix all the bridges and provide 4 year scholarships to every graduating senior that wants to go to college. Oh, is that socialistic to want to spend US tax dollars on US citizens?}}

Cindy— apparently about 29% of America is petrified of that “S-word”, when, in fact, we already have some tax $$$ being spent for all American citizens right now: police protection, fire protections, libraries… all supported by our “socialistic” system right here in America!

But that same 29% have been brainwashed to believe that somehow spending more $$$ to benefit ALL Americans, such as with healthcare or education benefits — “ooh, that would be bad! Ooh, too much “socialism”!

And instead, they have no problem with spending BILLIONS AND BILLIONS on a never-ending civil war in a foreign country, or supporting corporate welfare (or, what they like to call it “subsidies for big oil companies”), or building their bridges to “nowhere” but in their own backyard… where’s the sense in any of that?

There is no sense to it and that’s why America is ready for the Dems in ‘08!

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Since RW will whine that I don’t back up my claims, and I want to avoid any appearances that I’m at all like him

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

What? No retort about the evil Rove’s dastardly involvement with the Iraq War? Because you can’t?

Just like you can’t win that $100,000.

You fail to see the irony in the Junk Science challenge. Steven Milloy is illustrating how absurd the alarmists impossible predictions are just as you complain that his challenge is unanswerable.

By RE

August 14, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

On to Football News:

RICHMOND, Va. (Aug. 13, 2007) — The two remaining co-defendants in Michael Vick’s federal dogfighting case scheduled hearings to enter plea agreements.

Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, is set to appear in federal court in Richmond on Aug. 16 and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, on Aug. 17.

Last month, another original co-defendant, Tony Taylor, pleaded guilty to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

Taylor, 34, of Hampton, agreed to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick, Peace and Phillips, who are accused of running an interstate dogfighting enterprise known as “Bad Newz Kennels” on Vick’s property in rural Surry County.

Falcons might need a new QB this year.

Go Panthers!

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

The Reviews Are In: Major Papers Cast Rove’s Record As Failure

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Muffin, running this fast will make you light-headed. I’m not doing all your research for you. If you think Rove had nothing to do with Iraq, I should not be talking to you about politics. I should be finding you a home care worker who would help you to tie your shoelaces and put on your earmuffs.

So now the $100,000 is “ironic”? Do you ever read anything you type? Do you need mommy to help you? Sigh… I’m remembering why I stopped talking to you. I feel like I’m stepping on an insect every time I point out you’re wrong. And I don’t like to step on insects.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

RE @ 2:06 — Mr. Vick had been warned to stay away from his old gang in VA by several coaches, but to no avail… and now his gang has turned on him. Must be a very hard lesson for him to learn.

Vick’s toast in Atlanta.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 14, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Mrs. Godzilla August 14, 2007 1:22 PM Duh posts an article by Marc Marano DUH - No points there}}}}

Huh, so NASA is caught red handed slanting temperature data and al-Gore is a known liar, and that gives the world renowned climatologist/ socialist the right to off handedly reject the opinions of people interested in not destroying the U.S. economy over some silly hysteria, versus the opinions of people looking for research grants.

It figures.

By RE

August 14, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

1998 went from the warmest year on record with the faulty data to the second warmest year on record with the corrected data.

Obviously, nothing to see here.

Put the head back in the sand Duh

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Yes Duh it certainly does figure.

Somewhere along the line it became acceptable for people like you to equate crap with the truth.

After a while, we just expect nothing but crap.

You are wrong on climate change.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

[I have revealed Rove’s name because his attorney has divulged the substance of our conversation, though in a form different from my recollection. I have revealed Harlow’s name because he has publicly disclosed his version of our conversation, which also differs from my recollection.——— My primary source has not come forward to identify himself*——————.]/In my sworn testimony, I said what I have contended in my columns and on television: —-Joe Wilson’s wife’s role in instituting her husband’s mission was revealed to me in the middle of a long interview with an official who I have previously said was not a political gunslinger. ———-After the federal investigation was announced, he told me through a third party that the disclosure was inadvertent on his part]( http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15988).

Do I need to translate what “not a political gunslinger” means for you?

*We later learned it was Richard Armitage, who as someone who worked for Colin Powell and was at odds with the Bush Administration was “a good guy ” in the eyes of the MSM, and was therefore never attacked by you all for his role in this farce.

I didn’t say that the $100,000 is ironic, I said the fact that it is unwinnable because the parameters are impossible to prove is ironic.

Stop the BS and tell me exactly what Rove’s role in the Iraq War was.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Woops. I forgot to include this paragraph from Novak for Rushncap:

Following my interview with the primary source, I sought out the second administration official and the CIA spokesman for confirmation. I learned Valerie Plame’s name from Joe Wilson’s entry in “Who’s Who in America.”

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Muffin — aren’t you tired of me stepping all over you yet? I know I am. Gotta go for a bit, honey, but don’t worry, maybe if I feel like it I’ll come back and stomp you a little more. But maybe the microscope will free up and I’ll be doing some experiments instead. Toodles!

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Ewwwww. That 2:34 link got really screwed up. My little arrows turned into question marks and my bullet points disappeared and…what a mess.

Sorry!

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Rushncap @ 2:04 — and I recall that Rover had to go before the grand jury 4 times (or, was it 5 times?) before he got his “story” straight about his role in outing Ms. Plame… according to Scooter’s taped testimony, Rover, Armitage, and Scooter were all given the same assignment from Darth Cheney: to reveal the identity of a CIA operative to specific news reporters.

Darth Novak took the bait, and now even he’s whining about getting the cold-shoulder from the White House!

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Ewwww, Danish-Duh @ 2:38 — you forgot to mention that it was only Valerie Plame’s NAME that was mentioned as Joe Wilson’s wife in “Who’s Who”. Kinda like having your name along with your husband’s in the phone book, for instance.

Nowhere in “Who’s Who” does it state that Ms. Plame worked for the CIA — that info was divulged from Darth Cheney’s office. You Neo-cons are always trying to forget that part…

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD: More than 50 gunmen dressed in Iraqi security forces uniforms and using 17 official vehicles broke into an Oil Ministry compound in eastern Baghdad Tuesday and abducted a senior deputy of the oil minister, and four other officials, a ministry spokesman and police said.

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Why all the p** and vinegar RW? Bad day on the range? Okay, you caught me being “general.”

Would it really matter what I said or didn’t say to you? I don’t think it would.

Go ahead, call me a liar, call me whatever bad name of the day you want, it really doesn’t matter. Go ahead [as I roll my eyes.}

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

{{{Nowhere in “Who’s Who” does it state that Ms. Plame worked for the CIA — that info was divulged from Darth Cheney’s office. You Neo-cons are always trying to forget that part…}}

GoldieDunce,

ONE MORE FREAKING TIME.

It was RICHARD ARMITAGE who divulged that info about Wilson’s wife.

Novak got her name from Who’s Who, and I quoted him directly so what was there for me to “mention” beyond that?

Gawd you people are thick-headed.

rushncap,

Nobody is “stepping all over me” least of all a jackass who calls himself rushncap.

Do you always live in a fantasy world where you have imaginary victories with women like this? Oh yeah, I forgot - you do!

At your leisure, tell me with cold hard facts what Rove had to do with the Iraq War or STFU about it. No hurry, Munchkin. I have all the time in the world.

By rushncap

August 14, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Of course you have “all the time in the world” Muff. It’s the rest of us who have jobs and lives and friends and such. You need us to help fill the desperate void of all that time. Sorry, sometimes it amuses me to do so, for now I have to run.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

General Karl Rove, Reporting for Duty

By RE

August 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

It’s funny how the right wing folks forget that richard armitage did actually work for the administration.

Goes back to the same white house.

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, You said at 1:59 “I’m thinking @@ just doesn’t like me?”

I don’t think RW likes me. Would you like to form a support group with me?

By Paul

August 14, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

rushncap - Buy Danish - Goldie

Plame: the story that just won’t die. As was pointed out the other day, this case was also about “weaknesses” in current law that would afford greater protections to covert agents and would make easier the prosecution of those who blow their cover.

The previous Congress wasn’t chomping at the bit to change the law.

Number of hearings held by current Democratic-controlled Congress to change the law? (inviting Ms Plame to speak doesn’t count). I believe that’s considered a good indicator of the seriousness with which Congress, particularly the majority party, views a problem or situation?

Give up? So do I. I think the answer’s less than ‘one.’

Politics. It’s all politics.

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Thick-headed Danish-DUH, it was also SCOOTER LIBBY AND KARL ROVE who divulged Ms. Plame’s identity to various news reporters, along with RICHARD ARMITAGE… Gawd, if you weren’t so thick-headed, maybe you would also read Matthew Cooper’s testimony, and not just Novak’s. Just as a for instance.

Gawd!

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I was actually being quite kind to you and was genuinely interested in discussing the merits and demographics of your polling data. Sorry you’re so easily upset. Are you sure you’re a man?

rushncap,

Your charge was that Rove leaked Valerie Plame name and lied about it. Then as proof you link to a story saying that Rove confirmed what Novak had learned elsewhere. See the difference dumba-ss?

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 14, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

What I find so interesting from the conservatives point of view is that whatever Karl Rove did is ok. If he pushed the truth a little then that is ok like calling anyone who questioned the President’s decisions regarding Iraq is a traitor and is helping the ‘enemy’ - whoever that really is (al-Qaeda, Sunnis, Iran, North Korea, Ted Kennedy)? It seems as those dirty politics is ok as long as it is your side giving instead of receiving. You forget the pain this nation went through in listening to all the conservative yell, and I do mean yell, about how bad Clinton was and every little thing he supposedly did either needed a constitutional amendment to stop it or impeachment yet when it comes to the Bush administration everyone who the least bit complains is helping that enemy - pick one from the above list! Why can’t you see this? What is it that you are not willing to admit? Bush made mistakes, big ones too and most Presidents do. That is just a fact yet no one from the right can grasp that…why? Karl Rove worked to divide the nation, to split the country into camps that could then be marginalized so ultimately his group would win or at least so he would hope. I still do not trust the man. If he calls himself a Christian then I’m sure I don’t want to be a part of his church. Somehow it is ok for Karl or other Republicans to ‘play dirty’ but if the Democrats attempt that then they are evil traitors to America. Why is that ok?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

We can discuss this at our regular “Liberals Want to Destory America Meeting”….

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Do you think Fitzfong should be fired for gross incompetence for not indicting all these leakers that you and rushncap can learn all about in the fever swamps?

By Do we have a cross dressing poster?

August 14, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Boy, that RW moves in and out of his Buy Danish dress fast.

like Britney, goes commando?

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 14, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

What I find so interesting from the conservatives point of view is that whatever Karl Rove did is ok. If he pushed the truth a little then that is ok like calling anyone who questioned the President’s decisions regarding Iraq is a traitor and is helping the ‘enemy’ - whoever that really is (al-Qaeda, Sunnis, Iran, North Korea, Ted Kennedy)? It seems as those dirty politics is ok as long as it is your side giving instead of receiving. You forget the pain this nation went through in listening to all the conservative yell, and I do mean yell, about how bad Clinton was and every little thing he supposedly did either needed a constitutional amendment to stop it or impeachment yet when it comes to the Bush administration everyone who the least bit complains is helping that enemy - pick one from the above list! Why can’t you see this? What is it that you are not willing to admit? Bush made mistakes, big ones too and most Presidents do. That is just a fact yet no one from the right can grasp that…why? Karl Rove worked to divide the nation, to split the country into camps that could then be marginalized so ultimately his group would win or at least so he would hope. I still do not trust the man. If he calls himself a Christian then I’m sure I don’t want to be a part of his church. Somehow it is ok for Karl or other Republicans to ‘play dirty’ but if the Democrats attempt that then they are evil traitors to America. Why is that ok?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Iraqi - did you pay attention to ITN @3:13 - here you go…Time magazine good enough source for you?

“In June a misplaced diskette containing one of Rove’s private PowerPoint presentations included advice to candidates to “focus on the war” in their fall campaigns. When friends ask whether Bush really plans to invade Iraq, Rove has been known to reply, “Let me put it this way: If you want to see Baghdad, you’d better visit soon.”

Rove is the architect alright…architect of evil!! Let his head roll!!

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

{{In all seriousness I’d like to know what poll you’re using to say the American people are on your side of the issues right now }}

RW @ 1:50 — your comment was directed at Bosch, and I was waiting to see who would help enlighten you… so here’s just one poll you can ponder:

NBC/WSJ Poll: Clinton Leads Giuliani in Presidential Race

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, Right. I’m with you. Do you have your notes from our last meeting? Do you remember? The discussion we had about how to support the terrorists by being against the war? Just checking, I lost mine. Dammit! I must have lost them when I was lying around being a stupid liberal fool.

Did you see what RW wrote to me? “Sorry you’re so easily upset. Are you sure you’re a man?” Mrs. G, now, you’re a woman - don’t you find that horribly sexist?

RW, Are you a sexist? Would it be okay for me to get upset if I were a woman? Do you normally feel the need to put down the female gender in order to feel somehow more superior? Just curious.

Like, I said, it wouldn’t matter what I said or didn’t say because you would twist around anything I said and sink to your usual name calling and insults [yawn]. I admitted I was speaking in general terms, but I’m trying to score some good karma — so what kind of polling data would you like to talk about? I’ll do my best.

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncap

August 14, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Of course you have “all the time in the world” Muff. It’s the rest of us who have jobs and lives and friends and such. You need us to help fill the desperate void of all that time. Sorry, sometimes it amuses me to do so, for now I have to run.}}}

Translation:

I have no idea what I’m talking about when I try to pin the Iraq War and the leaking of Valerie Plame’s name on Karl Rove and can’t provide a single thing to substantiate my Moonbat claims. Hopefully you all will have forgotten about this by the next time I post here. I’m off to buy magazines.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Helicopter crash kills five U.S. soldiers in Iraq.Five American soldiers died in Anbar province today “when a CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed during routine post-maintenance test flight near Taqaddum air base, according to a military statement.”

By Cindy

August 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

All I know about the convoluted Valerie Plame case is simply: Bush lied…..again.

WASHINGTON (CNN)

If there’s a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is,” Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. “If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

“I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.

“I want to know the truth,” the president continued. “Leaks of classified information are bad things.”

By Joel Seidman Producer NBC News Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET May 29, 2007 No leak charges Several administration officials, including Libby, former State Department official Richard Armitage and Bush advisor Karl Rove, disclosed Plame’s identity to reporters.

No one was ever charged with the leak of Plame’s name itself…

By Can' t Resist

August 14, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Highlights?

16?

Tiger Beat?

By Goldie

August 14, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

{{Do you think Fitzfong should be fired for gross incompetence}}

Not at all, RW. Instead, I think that Scooter should’ve not told lies to the grand jury and not taken the fall for his friend Cheney, who’s not worth taking a sword for…

Too bad how that all worked out for Scooter, that whole lying-thing of his, huh?

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

{{{{By RE August 14, 2007 2:21 PM 1998 went from the warmest year on record with the faulty data to the second warmest year on record with the corrected data. Obviously, nothing to see here. Put the head back in the sand Duh}}}}

1) According to NASA.

2) The other top ten entries are ate up with years from the 1930’s.

That right there kinda shoots everything you liberals claim about man made warming right in the as-s, you know what I mean?

Especially considering that the temperature’s dropped the first part of the new century.

You libs point to 1998 like it is some rosetta stone but when we point to the 1920 through 1940 era it doesn’t matter, right?

{{{{By Mrs. Godzilla August 14, 2007 2:24 PM Yes Duh it certainly does figure. Somewhere along the line it became acceptable for people like you to equate crap with the truth. After a while, we just expect nothing but crap. You are wrong on climate change.}}}}

3 posts on the same subject this afternoon, still no facts to back you up.

Why are you libs so quite about CO2 now, now that it has been revealed to be only a .00008% factor in the “warming effect?”

Why do you still ignore the fact that Mars is warming at the same rate Earth is?

Or that the mean sea level hasn’t risen a tenth of an inch yet?

Or that after the monster hurricane hysteria predictions of just a few short years ago, taking advantage of one isolated weather event like you always do, that we haven’t had even a category three hurricane in the last two years?

When you reckon YOUR predictions will come true?

Mine already have, it’s just a normal old summer, same as it always is.

By mm

August 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Duh,

Please explain the wingnut parrot quote about how planning for and reversing global warming will ruin our economy.

I have not heard one single leader of a country spout that crap other than GWB.

The fact is, US corporate profits are at an all-time high. Could it be that cutting CO2 emissions might cost a little money, which will cut into corporate profits?

Last time I looked, profits were being banked, not re-invested back into the economy. In actuality, spending money on cutting CO2 emissions will create many more jobs and put more money into the economy.

You and the wingnuts are just dumb little parrots spouting GOP talking points.

Please provide proof as to how this will wreck our economy.

This may be a hard one for you because I don’t think Rove or Bush has provided this proof either.

By RE

August 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

Bush did not lie:

If there’s a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is,” Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. “If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

Scooter Libby was well taken care of after it had been found he violated the law. Bush didn’t lie, we just “miscomprehended” him

By Buy Danish

August 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

Is this the post that Bosch is bawling about being filled with “p** and vinegar”?

{{{Bosch,

In all seriousness I’d like to know what poll you’re using to say the American people are on your side of the issues right now so we can analyze whether there’s any truth to that statement.}}}

By ed lorenzo

August 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Vaya con Dios The Oval Room in the White House is airy and brigh. But this day, in spite of the lights being on and the sun shining, the room was as dark and ominous as the bar in “Lost Weekend” “What the hell are you going to do now, Chubby?” asked the President. “Fame and fortune no longer appeal to me, George. I have accomplished what I set out to do back in Texas. Time for me to spend time with my family.” “What was that accomplishment you mention?’ The voluminous one smiled sadly and said in a low voice: “I made you the most important personality of the century. You are on everyone’s lips, every moment of the day in the entire world. You are the subject of books, essays, songs, movie clips, UTubes, radio programs and even mentioned in most religious ceremonies. You have become not only a symbol but also a hymn, and emblem and an icon. I revitalized the Republican Party, transformed Congress into a waiter’s back room, revised the Constitution to suit you, allowed you to save Western Civilization by fighting terrorism everywhere especially Iraq that was bent on the destruction of mankind with its array of weapons of mass destruction, you saved our culture and traditions from the encroachment of foreign influences, assigned the United Nations the irrelevance it merits, refused to bow to foreign proposals that would keep our industries from producing items of comfort and joy, invested trillions in these noble endeavors and instituted a modern day system of protecting our citizens against themselves by the use of modern technologies that can record images, voices, sounds and even ideas. You have been my guiding light and I love you, George!” The President displayed a smile that was all pride and satisfaction. He said: “What is this jazz about the family, Chub. You wife spends more time in Texas than here and your son has been away in college for years. How about that good looking Ukrainian maid?” “I am human after all. Please do not tell anyone!”

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Duh - I wish you’d shut the fk up about global warming…its freakn 107 degrees here today, I’m in no mood to hear your sht…I’m about to have a heat stroke! The only reason you’re harping on it is because you’re beat on every other political issue, and global warming scares you!

By getalife

August 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Speaking of turds, Hasturd is retiring too.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Duh

The score remains the same.

You are wrong about climate change.

Planet Earth 3300

Duh 2

And I GAVE you the two…..didn’t bother to check them out …..probably crap too.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Cindy RE

Check 3:14

There wasn’t a law violation regarding the “leak,” else Fitzgerald would have prosecuted. Libby’s violation was during the investigation and was for circumstances concerning the investigation. Pres Bush’s comment was regarding the leak. No miscomprehension - other than with the word “lie.”

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Paul, Have you heard anymore about Plame’s lawsuit against Cheney? Is it still happening?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Damn - my Rove cocks are melting.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 14, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm August 14, 2007 3:57 PM Duh, Please explain the wingnut parrot quote about how planning for and reversing global warming will ruin our economy.}}}}

Let me guess, mm, you get all your information from the Urinal and the Huffington Post, right?

{{{{Some European business leaders fear that overly ambitious environmental goals risk undermining European economic competitiveness. This argument has strong echoes in the United States, which has refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol on the grounds that it would hamper economic growth and give India and China an unfair advantage. Even Germany, which is spearheading the drive to cut greenhouse gas emissions, has been reluctant to take on its automobile industry, which is among Europe’s worst offenders in spewing carbon dioxide into the air. Ernest-Antoine Seilličre, head of BusinessEurope, the pan-European business lobby, said that mandatory renewable targets had unknown and potentially enormous costs that could hobble European industry. “No one has any idea, the foggiest idea on what the costs can be, the social costs or financial costs,” he said.}}}}

Libs interfere with the free markets forcing gasoline manufacturers to not build any new refineries, the price of energy goes up.

Libs interfere with the free markets forcing gasoline manufacturers to make different blends for summer, price goes up.

Libs interfere with the free markets forcing gasoline manufacturers to buy foreign oil, price goes up.

Libs interfere with the free markets forcing gasoline manufacturers to add corn to their product, price goes up.

Libs interfere with the free markets forcing us to burn coal, spewing pollution in not small but instead massive amounts, killing miners by the dozens, while nuclear power never hurt a fly, lib hysteria at it’s most classic example, price goes up.

Poor people, the same poor people liberals claim to care about, will no longer have access to energy when the price goes up, does that matter to a lib that the elderly die in the summer with no A/C or is it more important to the lib to bleed America for their feel good junk science notions?

How do you figure, oh brilliant one mm, that the price won’t go up when you interfere and restrict the miniscule, harmless amount of CO2 that man discharges to the atmosphere?

CO2 that is actually a plant food?

By RE

August 14, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

the job of Bush Apologist is rapidly diminishing. However because of it’s scarcity it is becoming more sought after. Watching the news programs like hardball or tucker, it is funny watching how far into the bullpen they have to go to find someone to try to defend the administration now.

Duh:

Plante earth, Love it or leave it

By Paul

August 14, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Bosch

I believe it was dismissed - jurisdictional problems with the court. I do not believe Plame followed the proper administrative route.

If it was dismissed, it’ll be interesting to see if see pursues the other administrative (low profile, low publicity, likely little or no damages) route. She’d have to - to refile. But given the outcome of the Fitzgerald investigation and the scrutiny it’d open for her and her husband, I’d bet my money on a Lotto ticket instead.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

STATEMENT ON AMBASSADOR JOSEPH AND VALERIE WILSONS’ APPEAL FILED ON JULY 20

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Paul, @ 4:38 - Save your Lotto money!

By Paul

August 14, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

RE

That wasn’t meant as a defense. Just as a proper use of word meaning and sequence. You normally follow that pretty well. As I said earlier, if there’s an apology to be made, it should be for Congress for not amending the law(s). If they had (real) outrage I’d have imagined they would have jumped right on it.

I just saw Tucker for the first time a couple weeks ago. I haven’t quite figured him out yet -

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 4:01,

Believe it or not that’s the post. I’m not sure how anyone can find that hostile, but the emotional ball of nerves we call Bosch is about to slit his wrists over it. Either that or he knows better than to attempt a debate with me on facts so he set up a diversion.

Bosch,

Sexism would be the inherent belief that one sex is superior to another. The fact that women, as a general rule, tend to be more emotional is a statement of fact. You might even say the science is in. It also tends to make them better nurturers.

That stuff the feminists filled your head with about there being no differences in men and woman and that if just gave Jill a G.I Joe and gave Jack a Barbie that the roles of the sexes would reverse is bunk.

By Can't Resist

August 14, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Lotto ticket anyone?

By getalife

August 14, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

3 truck bomb attacks in Iraq. 100 killed, 150 wounded.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

August 14, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Tom DeLay: ‘Rove will be more powerful than ever’

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

How does a poll that says Clinton currently leads Guliani in a mythical race by a margin of 48% to 43% prove that 70% of the people in the country agree with Bosch on the issues of the day?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

RW @4:45 - you’ve obviously never seen two gay men fight…your 50’s mind-set is pretty hilarious!

By Talk about Bunk

August 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

That stuff the feminists filled your head with about there being no differences in men and woman and that if just gave Jill a G.I Joe and gave Jack a Barbie that the roles of the sexes would reverse is bunk.

LMAO

By Bosch

August 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

RW, I’m not scared to actually debate you RW, believe me, but, I disagree, women may show their emotions more, but I would wager that men and women are equally emotional. It is just the way they express it that differs - but that’s all semantics.

Unfortunately, I have to go for the evening. We can continue this discussion tomorrow if you would like. I know this may seem like a diversion, but I have family matters to deal with at the moment.

Good Evening!

By RE

August 14, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Paul:

WASHINGTON (CNN) — I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced Tuesday to 30 months in prison for lying to investigators looking into the leak of a CIA operative’s identity.

He also was fined $250,000. Libby was convicted March 6 of four counts in a five-count indictment alleging perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements to FBI investigators.

Perjury, Obstruction of justice and making false statements to the FBI. Those laws are just fine, no need for congressional action. He was given a fair trial and found guilty. His appeal was denied.

What happened to law and order republicans?

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

stillanidiot,

It’s impossible to discuss anything concerning entire groups without a little leeway for generalization. I used the caveat that it was a general rule hoping that even the the dullest morons here wouldn’t come back with the silly argument that there was an exception to what I said so therefore it was entirely invalid..

I was also talking about the typical role of the sexes and one would have to surmise that’s a pretty confused issue in the gay community.

By getalife

August 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Playing with dolls is weird,

Whats up with dat?

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I’ve got some things to do as well, but when we continue the discussion please try to keep in mind what the discussion topic really is. It’s not your feelings about inward/outward emotions. I’m pretty sure I and everyone reading knows why YOU believe that.

The discussion topic begins with your polling data that says 70% of Americans agree with the Bosch positions on the issues of the day.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

RE

Different issue. The prior was specific to an event (alleged leak and promised penalty for a leaker). Your questions on Libby, which occurred after the event in question, are in addition to the point I raised.

I’ll agree that Congressional action to revise the statutes with which Libby was charged and convicted is unnecessary. However, my point was regarding the statutes under which no one, including those allegedly guilty of “outing a covert agent” was prosecuted. Either no law was broken, the prosecutor was incompetent, or the statutes do or do not need revising. Or several of the above.

I’m about to go to the cinema. Catch you tomorrow -

By Cindy

August 14, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Paul, You can split hairs all day long, but a number of Americans and I have seen the real game played here. The fact that Fitzgerald didn’t get enough court room evidence doesn’t mean the illegal leak by the administration didn’t happen (as it so obviously did).

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

RW @5:02 -“I was also talking about the typical role of the sexes and one would have to surmise that’s a pretty confused issue in the gay community.”

Please, DO expound…I’d love to hear this one.

By Dusty

August 14, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Did Mrs. Godzilla call this the “Liberals Want to Destroy America” meeting?

She couldn’t have given it a better name. Lies, accusations, name calling and the like in almost every post by liberals. It is all here in writing. It is really shameful that Americans (i think) can post stuff that comes on this blog.

Or maybe it is a branch cult of al-Jazeera. You can’t tell the difference.

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

RE,

When was Libby’s appeal denied? Don’t you mean that he was turned down when he requested bond until his appeal was heard?

Frankly any judge worth his salt would have invalidated the jury decision and declared a mistrial the minute the jury foreman went on TV saying that in the jury room they were just wondering why they had “this guy” instead of Rove or Cheney. Of course a judge worthy of the robe would have let the jury hear that Fitzgerald had known all along who the leaker was.

Later! Happy Hour perhaps in case getalife needs to work on his buzz.

By Paul

August 14, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Cindy

No game, not splitting hairs. Opinions are different than facts in court. Statutes are statutes for purposes of prosecution. Fitz didn’t get enough evidence as the evidence he had showed there was no violation of statute, hence nothing to be charged. He knew of Armitage, he knew the statutes. No charges. As I said, if they need revising, one would think the Democratic Congress would get right on it. Yet they haven’t.

It’s good political theater.

But my wife is beckoning - don’t want to be late for the opening scene.

Have a pleasant evening.

By RW-(the original)

August 14, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

stillanidiot @ 5:10,

Do you know the definition of surmise? Perhaps you should look it up and not go through life showing your ignorance.

Later!

By Tony

August 14, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

You put that bit of history perfectly, Spike. Too bad these Republican traitors are too stupid and too belligerent and drenched in hatred to see or admit the facts. They share every bit in the Iraq bloodshed. Shameful damned people.

By TW

August 14, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Karl Rove quit on our troops, and as a result the emboldened insurgents had a big day today…that’s only fair, right?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

RW (Repug Wuss) - you’re a coward just like dust ball - a cut n runner just like your hero Rove. Dust ball is still afraid to answer my question about how our woeful comments on the current conditions of our fine country can be misconstrued to aid the enemy, yet she keeps posting idiocy…”Did Mrs. Godzilla call this the “Liberals Want to Destroy America” meeting?

She couldn’t have given it a better name. Lies, accusations, name calling and the like in almost every post by liberals. It is all here in writing. It is really shameful that Americans (i think) can post stuff that comes on this blog.”

Dust ball, I’d gladly lend you a 20 to get a new cd so you can change your tune…its getting really old. Unless you can give me concrete proof of how I am ruining America, we’d all prefer you just shut your hole.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 14, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

I may be wrong but I think the Libs Want to Destroy America meeting was driven by the same type nonsensical Dusty just posted.

Remember the fun we had planning our menu that day! Depleted Uranaium tipped cannolis!

What if we were to meet up for real? I have an idea as to how to arrange it. Any progressives interested?

Also, Dusty

how about that bet?

Offer still good.

20 bucks says Rove goes down before the 2008 election.

By mm

August 14, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Duh,

You quoted another businessman’s opinion. Lord, they may need to spend some of their profits.

You proved my point. The economy is not the issue, it’s profits. Addressing CO2 emissions will stimulate the economy, not hurt it.

CO2 is plant food. Too bad humans are clearing forests around the world at alrming rates. While we spew more and more CO2 into the environment. Solution: plant more trees (not exactly an economy buster)

I don’t view leftwing or rightwing websites. I am an independant who realizes there is good and bad on both sides of the aisle.

Interfere with free markets? What’s that all about?

Look at how reps and dems have voted on various issues over the years. There are libs on both sides of the aisle. The wingnuts are on one side of the aisle only.

One tidbit for you to contemplate. Our sun’s activity has an 11 year cycle. It is currently at the low point of activity. So we have 5.5 years of increasing activity. How hot will it get in 5 years?

By raisedanidiot

August 14, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Sure, Mrs. G - let’s hear it! I gotta close up shop, but will check the blog tomorrow. I don’t do computers or tv at home…should add years to my life span and sanity.

By @@

August 14, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Mrs G:

I guess you missed the part where I said liberals were “inspired” by polls. I never have been. I don’t think they’re conducted in such a way as to get to the steak, just the potatoes.

I enjoyed the content in the Der Spiegel article. We’re talking Der Spiegel Mrs. G…DER SPIEGEL!!!

I have no idea where the author got the 92%. Here’s his e-mail address. Ask HIM.

gabor_steingart@yahoo.com

As to your other question, and since you said “please”.

GOP Faults

Excessive Spending

Bush’s Immigration Reform Bill

The Marriage Amendment (understandable due to the action/reaction)

In hindsight, the Meiers and Gonzales appointments. Not because I believe them to be corrupt, I just think they lack political savvy.

There are others, but I’m on my way to a fish fry. They’re bigger than you and tasty too.

Goldie:

These —-> @@ <—- are my eyes. These —-> (@)(@) <—- are my boobs. I’ve had to remind guys where my eyes are, but I don’t think I should have to remind someone named “Goldie” to look up.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 14, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

{{{{By mm August 14, 2007 5:47 PM Duh, You quoted another businessman’s opinion.}}}}

If you are not a “businessman” then what are you?

A leech that lives off of the hard work of others?

So what gives you the right, pray tell, to dictate how the world of business is run?

Where do you think tax dollars come from, oh great dull one?

(How shallow can this person be?)

By getalife

August 14, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

“The US government is on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country’s top government inspector has warned.”

Told ya, the gop destroyed this country.

Geez.

By getalife

August 14, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

This is why Rove resigned

Larry Flint paid Jeff Gannon.

Bwa.

By Bill

August 14, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

The chinese toy czar supposedly hung himself, but inside sources are saying that he was murdered, and then the suicide staged.

The chinese dont like bad news.

By Not Duh

August 14, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

{{{If you are not a “businessman” then what are you?}}}

Siting at home collecting welfare so you can blog all day like you Duh.

By Bill

August 14, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

The Chinese-made toy model of the Space Shuttle was the only toy not recalled by Mattel today. Irony like that happens once in a blue moon shot.

By moonbat betty

August 14, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

why didn’t ml put rove in the darth vader costume?

has he gone neo-con on us?

By Midori

August 14, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

moonbat betty is a boob.

By crawdad

August 14, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

sucka head midori

By getalife

August 14, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

O’Hanlon and Pollack Exposed!

The MSM is a freaking joke.

Geez.