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Domino effect

By Mike Luckovich | Friday, August 10, 2007, 09:34 PM

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By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

just so you know

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

What do you know, mikey drew up a liberal wish list for us.

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{{{{Security in Laghman is better than in the frontier provinces, but there is a well-established route for al Qaeda, Taliban and other fighters to cross from Pakistan and make their way north through Laghman. A suicide bombing in April seems to have been a turning point in Laghman. The bomber killed a mullah and several schoolgirls, and according to Mr. Ricci, local residents were so angry that they left the bomber’s body parts on the road, refusing him burial. Since then, just nine IEDs have been detonated in Laghman, while 25 were turned in by locals.}}}}

Word.

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How many shrieks and wails have you heard from the democrats about the federal deficit, borrowing from China, mortgaging our future, blah, blah, blah:

{{{{The Club for Growth has just issued a “RePORK card” grading every House member on 50 amendments to kill outrageous pork projects this year. The results are illuminating. The Pork Hall of Shame—those who voted against all 50 reform amendments—totaled 105—81 Democrats and 24 Republicans. The average GOP score was 43%, the average Democratic score only 2%. Only one Democrat voted against pork more than a fifth of the time—Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, who racked up a 98% antipork score and is unlikely to be invited to dinner with any Appropriations Committee chairmen anytime soon.}}}}

{{{{What ensued showed what a sham are claimed earmark reforms. The mood of annoyance with Flake was personified by the 17-term Murtha, who as subcommittee chairman defended and retained every earmark (including notorious infusions of cash to his Johnstown, Pa., district).}}}}

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Why do you hardly ever hear the libs complaining about this loss of human life?:

{{{{Addressing a dilemma tantamount to terrorism, a few months ago Ben Stein wrote in the conservative American Spectator that, “In the five and a half years since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been roughly 40,000 killings by gangs and gang members in this United States of America, mostly in the African-American and Hispanic sections of large cities.”}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 303

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

John McCain Rips the Club For Growth

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

Club for Growth, 2004 Election Cycle

By Jesus

August 13, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Severed Ties

August 13, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

A message toon! Not really funny as it is informative and econ. 101-shazzizzalicious.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Ding-Dong, the Rover-witch is Dead!

It’s past due for the White House to sweep out the dirt!

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Karl Rove - GONE!!!! I wonder how he’ll weasel around executive privledge now?

By @@

August 13, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Never, ever buy a pig in a poke.

The pigs are showing up in European markets. The Europeans are in panic, swearing off pork.

Why no Clark Howard in your cartoon ml?

By steve-o

August 13, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie

August 13, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Ding-Dong, the Rover-witch is Dead!}}}

Dammit, Goldie!!! You beat me to it! This has already been a good day!!!!!

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Great toon! My mortgage company’s stock is plummeting, so I thought, well, maybe they’d be willing to make a deal and give us a lower rate. No such luck. So we shopped around for a better deal and found one. We are signing paperwork this week. My mortgage company called me and told me that the new company I was dealing with was lying to me about our rate. Can you believe that? They were that desperate, and I asked them again if they’d be willing to give us the same deal (new) deal we got and they said, no. So I wished them well, and said goodbye!

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

The Romney Flip-Flopping Goes On — just last week he stated that working for his campaign was the equivalent of serving in the military in Iraq:

Aug. 12 (Bloomberg) — Mitt Romney, who won the Iowa Republican straw poll yesterday, said he “misspoke” when he suggested that his sons’ work on his presidential campaign was comparable to serving in the military in Iraq.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

I am withholding my “Rove Quits” bliss, till I know the real reason why.

Ok, I have a little bliss….

But still, where’s he going? Who’s he going to work for? Or against?

By Rule of Law

August 13, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

You cant use a parallel construct like, “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead”, unless there is some sort of reason for it. Rove doesn’t rhyme.

You have to dig deeper and find a “Wicked Witch” sound alike or spell alike.

You cant just use popular phrases and expect that to work as material.

ANd Bosch, I’ve never seen such naiviety as you expecting your mtg. company to refinance.

Your new mtg should be reviewed by an independent broker’s insurance lawyer. It will be worth the 2000 bucks for a real player to scrutinize all the clauses, (especially the sanity clause)

I know, there’s no sanity clause.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Rule of Law

There are also a lot of irrellevants at the circus!

Hail Freedonia!

By Rover Needs New Doghouse

August 13, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Karl Rove to resign at end of August

We should all be very grateful to Karl Rove. No one individual has done more to show us all the true nature of the Republican Party and their unrelenting quest for more power and big, Big, BIG REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.

Liberals will miss you in ‘08, Karl. You da man!!!!

By Midori

August 13, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

I’m with Mrs. Godzilla — that scumbag Rove is up to something.

So many Democrats to slime; so little time.

By Hog Slop

August 13, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

LONDON (AFP) - The US “surge” of troops in Iraq is likely to fail, a parliamentary committee said Monday as it delivered a critical report on London’s foreign policy in the Middle East.

Looks like the ‘limited success’ Republicans are claiming for the surge is just another big fat steamin pile of BUSHSHIT!

If we buy into it, the power-crazed Republican fascists will be feeding us that same line of hog slop for the next hundred years.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

I believe it was Rover who claimed that he was creating a “permanent” Repug majority for America???

Ding-Dong, the Rover-witch is Dead! Hi, Ho, the Derry-Oh… sing it high, sing it low! Ding-Dong, the Rover-witch is Dead!

By Young Republican

August 13, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Hey all! I just need some advice. This draft thingy has me all worried. I support the troops and all but I have a career just getting started and now is not convenient.

Can you older Republicans tell me some excuses for not fighting in Iraq? I need good ones, not the ordinary asthma or bad knee excuses. I’m highly regarded on a lot of blogs so the reason should be rather noble I’m thinking. Sincere maybe.

Thanks. God Bless America.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

But we’ve got to verify it legally To see…

To see…

If he…

If he…

Is morally, ethically

Spiritually, physically

Positively, absolutely

Undeniably and reliably dead

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Young Republican

Have you tried Rush’s polyps?

By Bouncy Flouncy Barrel of Fun Tiiger Republicans

August 13, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he misspoke when he said he spent as much time, if not more, at ground zero exposed to the same health risks as workers combing the site after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Well, Romney ‘misspoke’ in saying that his son was Iraq war hero because he’s battling those fierce al Queda terrorists who are swarming his Dad’s campaign events. Now the ‘Rudester’ has ‘misspoke’ about his heroic sacrifices in the smoke and ashes of 9/11.

Misspeaking must be ‘what REPUBLICANS do best’!

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical August 13, 2007 9:40 AM LONDON (AFP) - The US “surge” of troops in Iraq is likely to fail, a parliamentary committee said Monday as it delivered a critical report on London’s foreign policy in the Middle East. Looks like the ‘limited success’ Republicans are claiming for the surge is just another big fat steamin pile of BUSHSHIT! If we buy into it, the power-crazed Republican fascists will be feeding us that same line of hog slop for the next hundred years.}}}}

Spammie: I doubt if you read your spam propaganda “Yahoo” story but the same committee wants to negotiate with Hamas, a known terrorist group:

{{{{“The committee believes that the success of this strategy will ultimately ride on whether Iraq’s politicians are able to reach agreement on a number of key issues.” As a result, the committee urged a rethink on British policy on Hamas, which the European Union and the United States deem a terrorist group. It suggested the government deal directly with moderate members to help the peace process.}}}}

What’s next, spammie, you want us to surrender to Al Qaeda?

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Rule of Law, Yes, I am naive in the ways of the financial world. You couldn’t be more right than that. I don’t work in the finanacial world, I’m more of the “artsy” type you could say, but I’ve bought a few houses in my day, and I do know that the mortgage game isn’t what it used to be.

My mortgage company called me first. That’s what made me think “what?” and pay a little more attention to their stock (which again, is something absolutely foreign to me). When I saw that their stock was going down, I saw what they were doing, or at least what I thought they were doing. They wanted to give me a little better rate in the hopes that I’d bite and they’d get closing costs. Instead I shopped around until I found a much better rate and they couldn’t match it.

Yes, you are right, in the world of finance, I am quite ignorant, I don’t know how a lot of that works, I don’t claim to know everything, especially not that. I’m quite aware that mortgage companies and banks are scrambling right now for your business.

It seems to me that many people are living beyond their means, I think that one reason people are in such dire straits is the ease with which you can get credit cards and financing, and cheap mortgages, then they have a horrible cash flow problem and can’t keep up with their payments. Inflation and the cost of living is going up at a higher percentage than salary increases. I bought a gallon of Mayfield milk the other day for $5.00. I love milk, but I guess I’m going to have to cut back on the stuff.

If you would like to give me some insight on what your opinion is of what is going on in the mortgage game, please, I’m all ears (or eyes rather).

Back to Rove - Yes, I agree with Mrs. G and Midori, Rove doesn’t do anything without a “bigger plan to rule the world” so let’s just wait. It’s not like he’ll actually leave the White House. He’ll still be there slinking around in the shadows like an overfed vulture.

It seems a little dangerous for him to resign (at least for him) because now how can he use the executive privledge excuse? Can they use that retroactively? In other words, and I don’t know if I’m saying this right, does his activities while he was employed at the White House fall under executive privledge indefinitely

By mountain man

August 13, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

It’s good to see Rove, the CEO of the snake oil company who has systematically dismanted this country, gone. He really is a weasal if there ever was one. He is so typical of the nerds I remember as members of the Young Rupublicans back when I was in college.

How did Bush possibly get any uptick in his ratings? He’s just as big an idiot as he ever was. No improvement there. Perhaps there’s some kind of summer stupidity virus going around among pole participants.

One thing Rove did for me was to make me more partisan angainst Republicans. I’m now 99.8% partisan versus my former 98.7% Thanks Karl.

By Young Republican

August 13, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Thank you Mrs Godzilla, yes I did try Rush’s polyps.

I was then so very rudely informed by about 1 million hippie bloggers that polyps are very easily treated by modern medicine and the polyps would not exclude me from service!!!!!!!

I had to start a new online identity! I just couldn’t get out of that one. It took me months to build up that persona. Thats why I need a good excuse this time.

Thanks and GBA!

By Bouncy Flouncy Barrel of Fun Tiiger Republicans

August 13, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

You already surrendered to al Queda, Duh, when you allowed knee jerk reactionism to goad our great country into unprovoked occupation of a foreign land. The abolishment of civil liberties in America and our free way of life was most likely the ultimate goal of al Queda and you handed it over on a silver platter, sucker.

Take your phoney patriotism and stick it in your BUSH!

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical August 13, 2007 9:54 AM WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he misspoke when he said he spent as much time, if not more, at ground zero exposed to the same health risks as workers combing the site after the Sept. 11 attacks.}}}}

Spammie: Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11, his courage, or anything else he does, is not answerable to a POS liberal terrorist appeaser like you.

GFY (Good for You.)

By getalife

August 13, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Rove has major legal problems. At the end of August, no more executive privilege. You will see more of Rove. In court.

Lets hope the domino effect is this failed administration all going to prison for their crimes.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Rudy is just dripping with “class” and “courage”:

Rudy Giuliani has lately been getting some long-overdue criticism for his missteps both before and after 9/11. For example, The Village Voice reports that he insisted that the city’s emergency command center — which included a personal suite with its own elevator that he visited “often, even on weekends, bringing his girlfriend Judi Nathan there long before the relationship surfaced” — be within walking distance of City Hall. This led to the disastrous decision to locate the center in the World Trade Center, an obvious potential terrorist target.

At the same time, Mr. Giuliani is being attacked for his failure to take adequate precautions to protect those who worked on the cleanup at ground zero from the hazards at the site. Many workers have since been sickened by the dust and toxic materials.

For a politician whose entire campaign is based on the myth of his leadership that fateful day — as The Onion put it, Mr. Giuliani is running for “president of 9/11” — anything that challenges his personal legend is a big problem. So here’s what Mr. Giuliani said last week in response: “I was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. … I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I’m one of them.”

Real ground zero workers, who were digging through the toxic rubble while Mr. Giuliani held photo ops, were understandably outraged. So the next day Mr. Giuliani tried to recover, claiming that “what I was trying to say yesterday is that I empathize with them because I feel like I have that same risk.” But thanks to the wonders of YouTube, we can all watch Mr. Giuliani’s actual demeanor as he delivered the original remarks. Empathy had nothing to do with it.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

“Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11, his courage, or anything else he does, is not answerable to a POS liberal terrorist appeaser like you.”

Ah man, that is rich.

Thanks for the laugh.

Geez.

By Ha HA Ha Ha

August 13, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11….

He was just standing there looking up

and oops!

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

{{Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11,}}

DUH— and of course, DUH, you know that it was Rudy who made the executive decision to put the responders’ command center RIGHT THERE IN THE WTC TOWERS after it had been bombed in ‘93 — what a mayor for NYC!

Rudy is quite the terrorist enabler, yes???

By Young Republican

August 13, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Understand one thing Hippies.

The terrorists UNDERSTAND that Guilliani has loads of courage you wierdo’s.

The Terrorists have the internet. They have satellite news. They get the paper.

THEY SAW RUDY WEARING A DRESS!!!

They know that takes courage. And it does. Lots. Lots and lots. Tons of it. They are very afraid of Guilliani, mark my word on it.

GBA

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Looks like those Repug candidates who don’t FLIP-FLOP on their issues every week are bound to get the ole Repug boot!

Tommy Thompson Bows Out of Race

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie August 13, 2007 10:33 AM you know that it was Rudy who made the executive decision to put the responders’ command center RIGHT THERE IN THE WTC TOWERS after it had been bombed in ‘93 — what a mayor for NYC! Rudy is quite the terrorist enabler, yes???}}}}

Yeah, especially when everybody knew that Al Qaeda was gonna fly jumbo jets into them and that they would fall, hahaha, real funny you libs are, monday morning quarterbacking cowards.

By N-GA

August 13, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

“Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11.”

ROTFLMAO!!!!

GFY (Good For You) and the horse you rode in on!!

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Aye, Spy

By getalife

August 13, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

“Citing executive privilege, he defied a subpoena and refused to show up for a congressional hearing just two weeks ago on the allegedly improper use by White House aides of Republican National Committee email accounts. Fellow Bush advisers have said they believe the congressional probes have been aimed in part at driving Rove out.

The White House said his departure was unrelated to the investigations.”

Uh-huh.

Totally unrelated.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

August 13, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

You know, I bet all of you raving loons who agree with Midori that Rove is a “scumbag” couldn’t actually name one thing he has done that makes him such an evil figure in your Moonbat minds (except of course that he engineered Bush’s victory and for that he deserves calumny).

But I digress.

Rushncap’s favorite candidate and Fox basher is looking more and more foolish every day.

Later…

How I wish he’s win the nomination!

By Buy Danish

August 13, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

{{{By N-GA

August 13, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

“Guiliani was almost killed by the falling towers on 9/11.”

ROTFLMAO!!!!

GFY (Good For You) and the horse you rode in on!!}}}

The Low Class Act award goes to…. N-GA! And all the great wines in the world won’t do a thing to improve your low class status.

Gone…

By Ralph

August 13, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

A soundbyte with Bush and Rove. One intellectual imbecile, 2 moral, ethical imbeciles. “Traitors Two.” Envoking the name of “God” & “The Almighty” while puking up how great each one of them is. How typical. How Republiscum. Listen and learn, fools.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Five people died at an amusement park when their ferris wheel car collided with another car and crashed to the ground.

I knew it was a bad idear to combine the ferris wheel and the bumper car rides!!

Where’s the supervision?

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

that’s ok BD — I think you’re a scum hag.

By Expendable Asset

August 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Democrats on Saturday touted legislation to guarantee troops time at home between deployments to Iraq. In the party’s weekly radio address, Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., criticized President Bush for threatening to veto the bill, contending his administration’s policies on troop deployments have weakened the military.

Nobody has ever screwed our tropps like the current crop of Republican cheapskates. Rush to war without adequate planning, refusal to supply vehicle and body armour (costs too much), over extensions of deployment, rising military divorce rates, returning disabled soldiers without decent medical care, living homeless on the street.

Republicans have the same concern for our soldiers that cattlemen have for their beef herds. To a Republican a soldier is nothing more than an ‘expendable asset’!

By Dusty

August 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

I found the venom on this blog so obnoxious I posted several lines saying so. I might as well have sent it to my bird feeder because it disappeared in space.

Too bad all the hate can’t disappear but all of it seems to stay right here. Way to go, far lefties!! You make American liberals look like partisan degenerates. Nobody will want you running anything in this country. Wait and see!!

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Ah, so much for Rover’s attempts to create his “permanent majority” for the Repugs — but then, all dictatorships are bound to fail!

It turns out that Karl Rove has gone a long way toward securing a permanent majority in American politics … for liberals and Democrats. The collapse of a coherent, freedom-loving, reality-based conservatism is surely part of the reason.

God Bless America…

By Betty

August 13, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish is one of the best posters here. By far. Always on topic, with a most dazzling display of wit.

Un-Friggen-believable! Well said Buy Danish, well said.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

We liberals hate everything McRove. We love to hate everything McRove.

See McRove. See McRove dance. Dance, McRove, Dance.

See Cheney. See Cheney shoot at McRove’s feet to make him dance. Shoot, Cheney, shoot.

See the liberal. See the liberal hate McRove and Cheney. Hate, Liberal, Hate.

We liberals love hate. We hate love. We love to hate and hate to love.

Hate is good. I’ll say it again. Hate, (for lack of a better word), is good.

hate works. hate motivates. hate is easy.

Patriots hate traitors. Liberals hate the McRoves. Liberals R patriots. Therefore, the McRoves are traitors.

Hate is good when the country needs good hate.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

The gop’s blatent attempt to steal 08

This lawyer should be indicted for attempted voter fraud.

Pathetic.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 11:33

[[I bet all of you…who agree.. that Rove is a “scumbag” couldn’t actually name one thing he has done that makes him such an evil figure]]

I believe it depends upon one’s perspective. Let me hazard a guess -

Rove engineered Bush’s election as President. Twice.

All else is ideology.

Howzzat?

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife: that’s all they’re good for.

and then they have the nerve to brag that they “won”, a la 12:23.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Midori, Midori, Midori 12:20

Please don’t fall victim to the popular culture’s portrayals. You should really see “Wicked” - wherein you’ll find Glinda the Good was actually a conniver (but was judged “good” because she was pretty) , while Ephalba Thropp (the “wicked” witch - judged that way because of her skin color and shyness) was actually a kindhearted, selfless sort who battled corruption and sought to protect the rights of the oppressed of society.

By Carl

August 13, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: “Digress”? Your entire lifetime has been one of gross digression. Your feeble attempts at the English language laughable and pathetic. How sad you use the word “Danish” in your name. For the Danes are bright, clean, very attractive people. Whereas you are dull, stupid, phyically gross and filthy, with the looks and general appearance, habits of a common insect. Yuk.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

“US ‘surge’ in Iraq ‘likely to fail’: British lawmakers”

Duh.

Larry Flint is the man.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Paul, Paul, Paul,

and your little dog (Andy) too.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Midori 12:25

I’m surprised you didn’t cite this column by Ms Huffington. She seems to take the view that all the Democratic candidates’ outrage over the horrid Republican candidates’ insults and namecalling is a rather manufactured exercise, whose sole purpose is to get money.

Money and power. That just couldn’t be the reason for the outrage. Nah.

Link: Arianna Huffington: If you’re angry, send money now!

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

How a ‘Good War’ in Afghanistan Went Bad

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m surprised you didn’t cite Mein Kampf.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

{{Liberals R patriots.}}

Bill @ 12:16— you are so corret. Liberals are the real patriots and that’s why we hate traitors and Rover-lovers…

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Midori

12:36

I think Toto just might take offense!

By Bill

August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Carl, find out if Buy Danish has any older sisters for me.

Buy Danish is a good writer. She has made an investment in time here, and should be respected.

We need each other. Blogging is useless with yes men. What if all the trolls on this blog all said, “That was a great comment, kind sir, and I agree 100% with you, and by the way, your writing style is mesmorizing and belongs in the literary annals of golden ideals! You rock. Well, I’m going to go stick my head in the toilet now, cause I’ll nevah be as goot as du, mein freunt.”

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Midori 12:39

Mein Kampf? Not really relevant. But the “Producers” (saw it on Broadway, Nathan Lane and Mathew Broderick, incredible) has a “Springtime” scene that just might fit -

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

{{Well, I’m going to go stick my head in the toilet now, cause I’ll nevah be as goot as du, mein freunt}}

Go for it, Bill!

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Cecilia Sarkozy to Bush: ram your hot dogs up your nose

I don’t blame her one bit.

Freedom Fries that!!

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

The Real Reason for Rove’s Resignation

By Midori

August 13, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

makes about as much sense as what “you” select what “I” should quote.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Midori

Didn’t mean to be directive - just a suggestion. The scene from “The Producers” was a musical number in the play The Producers were producing, a parody song and dance number set in late 1930s Germany titled “Springtime With Hitler in Germany.” A bit less heavy-handed than Mein Kampf. Ties in with Rove’s recent song-and-dance number at the correspondents’ dinner.

Breaktime’s over - TTYL

By DebbieDoRight

August 13, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

[[What do you know, mikey drew up a liberal wish list for us]]

Duh, why do you say such horrible vindictive things? Lots of “liberals” have 401K’s just like you ConServATron Transformers, (robots in disguise); if the US dies WE DIE too. It’s not a you or me deal — it’s US. DUH.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical August 13, 2007 12:05 PM Rush to war without adequate planning,}}}}

A war that we won in 3 weeks.

{{{{refusal to supply vehicle and body armour (costs too much),}}}}

8 years of Clinton military cuts, what I believe you goonies called the “peace dividend,” they’re just supposed to be made up in one day?

{{{{over extensions of deployment,}}}}

World War 2 soldiers served from the first day of the war until the last, 4 years. I guess Roosevelt was a wingnut too, eh?

{{{{rising military divorce rates,}}}}

Look at this crap, the only time the liberals care about marriage is when they can slander some Conservatives with it.

Besides, it’s a lie anyway:

——— Divorce rates among Army officers dropped a whopping 61 percent last year following a 2004 spike that sent shudders through the service. In 2004, 3,325 Army officers divorced, but that number dropped to 1,292 in 2005, Army officials said. Divorces also were down slightly among enlisted members, from 7,152 in 2004 to 7,075 last year.———

{{{{returning disabled soldiers without decent medical care,}}}}

Nice advertisement for government healthcare, you slobbering moron.

{{{{living homeless on the street.}}}}

———-Each year, 2.3 million to 3.5 million people experience homelessness in America, with an estimated 400,000 veterans homeless at some time during the year.———-

Spammie: There is a “victim” around every corner, isn’t there?

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

I think it’s hilarious that after BD posts “Gone…” @ 11:42, we now have “Betty” and “Bill” showing up to commend BD for her “dazzling” writing skills — ROFLMAO!!!

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Didn’t I read somewhere here that Rover has been working with Rudy’s campaign? Oh, boy— the Dems Can’t Wait For ‘08!

By getalife

August 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

corporate wh-ore media propaganda

Pathetic.

By bon scott

August 13, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Midri - It’s not east being green. Do you think Bye Danush owns a chunk of Sherwin Williams?

Bonnie - Sorry about that unsatifactory in Revisionisn. 13th grade is so dullsville!

By paul

August 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Communist news for the masses

By Bill

August 13, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

I’m Hillary 08 I am. Hillary 08 I am, I am. I got married to a Willy next door, he’s showed his Willy 7 times before, and everyone was a monica, he wouldn’t flash a Phyllis or a Pam. I’m his ball and chain I’m Hillary. Hillary 08 I am.

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

{{{{By DebbieDoRight August 13, 2007 1:00 PM [[What do you know, mikey drew up a liberal wish list for us]] Duh, why do you say such horrible vindictive things?}}}}

DebbieDuhLeft: The cartoon is “horrible and vindictive.”

If you think it was drawn to sympathize with the plight of American 401K plans (Bwahahahaha,) and not to try to cast a negative light on the Bush economy, then you need to rethink your whole outlook on life.

You liberals are nasty little people.

~~~~~

And Rove rides off into the sunset, with the liberals doing to him the only thing they can do, whine about it.

Geez.

By jenson olivetti

August 13, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

So this is what passes for liberal thought in Georgia (crickets chirping…).

Just keep screeching, “Hitlary in ‘08 and Obama the big-eared negro as her running mate.

Bound to win FL, OH & MI - oh, and did I mention the South?

By getalife

August 13, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

I think Gannon took Larry’s money and snitched out turd blossum.

Bwa.

By Say It Ain't So

August 13, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Getalife (12:19) The GOP tries something and it is bad, the Libs try and do the same thing and it’s OK. You should be indicted for ignorance.

Midori (12:25) the GOP did win…twice. What do you not comprehend about Bush WON the presidency twice while the libs LOST ..twice and soon it will be three times in a row. (12:39) Mein Kampf is the lefts guide book not the GOP’s.

DebbieDoRight (1:00) Oh now it is US, not the Repugs and the Libs but US. Repugs want to win the war, Libs want to cut and run, wave the white flag, surrender, quit, tuck tail and run… AND now you want to claim that it is US that will pay the price.. Sorry you can’t have it both ways. We either stand together and win or we stand divided and lose. I know, I know one is talking about the war and the other is talking about the economy. We lose either one and we’ve lost.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Nice to see you, as always, Bon Scott :)

Hey 1:35 — I’ll bet you believe in the Tooth Fairy, too.

By Say It Ain't So

August 13, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Jenson O (1:31) Now you’ve gone and done it!! Steve-zero will be looking for your butt.

You cannot call them negro! Wikipedia (the libs reference book) states “Negro is a racial term applied to black people”.

The proper term is GER!!

They do not want to be called Negro, Colored, Black, the other N word, Africa American, or anything that comes out of a white man’s mouth.

As GER has no reference to color or Africa. It is a safe term that everyone can use freely without fear of upsetting them… for now.

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 13, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Dusty and the other conservative bloggers here, what you are seeing is not venmon but a venting of frustrations from the perception of lies & wrong doing from 12 years of Republican Congressional control and 6+ years of Republican WH control. The so called ‘known’ lies produced during time have been too much to bear and even though you might think the mainstream media is bias against the right there is little evidence to support that - regardless of all the links you provide given the sources they come from. Both side can say that the media supports the other side and can show evidence which leads me to believe that we are all being played the fool by the media as they cash in. As an example, if I remember correctly we have heard the same ‘venting’ from the right on the 8 years of Bill Clinton being in the WH and we still hear about the ‘perceived’ wrong doing of both Bill & Hillary Clinton. So what does that prove? Nothing other than to separate Americans from the real issues. I believe that both sides have a ‘perception issue’ that needs to be dropped. Not until both sides stop the ‘you’re a traitor and I’m not’ assaults on each other will we be able to have a true dialogue on the direction this country needs to take and the steps necessary to do them. Politics is all about compromise which all of the truly great Presidents knew and did to move this country forward. You can and will always find examples of a President ‘taking the bull by the horns’ when the time calls for that but you will see more times when compromise was used. Check Ronald Reagan’s records and you’ll see the use of both and this is one period that many conservative point back to as being a great period with a great President.

By rushncap

August 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Muff — Edwards is not my “favorite candidate”. I do like him, but I have not yet made up my mind who I’m going to vote for in the primaries. And it’s not his fault you’re too ugly to get married to anyone successful in life, so get over it already.

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

@1:31 “Hitlary and Obama the big-eared Negro?”

What?

By Midori

August 13, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

what you need to know about touch screen voting machines - watch the preview

By Say It Ain't So

August 13, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Midori, (1:39) What I believe is called reality. You’re the one living in fantasy land.

Tell us again mommy about the tax cuts for the rich. How that mean old man Bush stole the election…twice. How the libbies are gonna win in 08!! Please mommy read us these bedtime stories!

Smoke em if you got em.

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

@1:31 “Hitlary and Obama the big-eared Negro?”

What?

By Say It Ain't So

August 13, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Midori (1:55) And why would we want to watch anything by Dan ‘the forger’ Rather? Much less believe anything he claims?

By Say it is So

August 13, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Tell us how Mr Bush created this booming economy?

Tell us how Mr.Bush’s Occupation for Oil is making us safer?

Tell us how Mr. Bush reduced the number of FDA inspectors and how he made our food dafe?

Tell us how Mr. Bush gave jobs to the unqualified and how it made the recovery in New Orleans go so smoothly?

Tell us how Mr Bush won’t let frozen clumps of cells be used to help humanity, but he will let them be thrown in the garbage?

Tell us how Mr. Bush gave us the largest deficit in history with no investment in infrastructure allowing bridges and levees to collapse, steam mains to explode and water mains to break?

Tell me how Mr Bush can be weepy when talking about gun violence and then misplaces 190M weapons in Iraq and then sell then millions of dollars more?

Tell us how you can call your self an American?

Tell us how you have a roll of bathroom tissue - each sheet printed with portion of the constitution and all you can do it wipe your a$$ with it every day.

By RE

August 13, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Good toon, probably more insightful than what you will get by watching the news.

This meltdown was a long time coming, and set in place more through the policies of Greenspan than anything in the whitehouse or congress has put out, the fed operates “independantly” of the federal government.

Don’t worry, this mortgage meltdown will only affect people own thier home or rent an apartment or home. Or have a 401k. Or a credit card. Aside from thode people, no one else will be effected.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

1:56,

your reality bites.

Grow up.

And turn off Fox News.

a “mime” is a terrible thing to waste.

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Say It Ain’t So @ 1:35, Just how is Mein Kampft the leftist guidebook? Hitler was as far right as they come. Hitler imprisioned and murdered liberals.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Clean up on aisle 2:02.

wingnut head exploded.

Its a mess.

Geez, what a melt down.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

LOL, Getalife.

It is quite messy, isn’t it? :)

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

The Economic Upside To Lead Paint and Tainted Food? Value!

CNBC anchor Erin Burnett, on Friday’s Hardball:

A lot of people like to say, scaremonger about China, right? A lot of politicians and I know you talk about that issue all the time. I think people should be careful what they wish for on China — you know, if China were to revalue its currency, or China is to start making, say, toys that don’t have lead in them, or food that isn’t poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up. And that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now.They’re keeping prices low, and they’re keeping prices for mortgages low too.

By Real Bill

August 13, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Time is too fleeting. The world moves too quickly. We cannot afford the likes of Bush and Rove and their inane supporters. They need to be rounded up and exterminated. Quickly.

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

[I don’t know about you, but quite frankly Osama bin Laden brings far less fear into my everyday life than do ‘Rules Don’t Apply To Me’ people.](

By rushncap

August 13, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Please tell me that this recent infusion of so-called conservatives on this board are actually liberals trying to make cons look bad. Please.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

“CNBC anchor Erin Burnett, on Friday’s Hardball:

A lot of people like to say, scaremonger about China, right? A lot of politicians and I know you talk about that issue all the time. I think people should be careful what they wish for on China — you know, if China were to revalue its currency, or China is to start making, say, toys that don’t have lead in them, or food that isn’t poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up. And that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now.They’re keeping prices low, and they’re keeping prices for mortgages low too.”

So, that is what she said to make tweety hit on her.

Insane.

Geez.

By RE

August 13, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

I saw that episode of Hardball.

Mathews is a little creepy, But that girl Erin did look really good. Think what it must be like to have to look at Kate O’burn, Katrina VandenHueval and Ann Coulter day after day and then a girl like Erin pops up. I would want a closer look too.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Check out the RW blogs.

It is a mess, heads exploding all over the blogtopia.

Good times :]

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Tomgram: All-time Highs in Iraq

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

My Five Sons [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Gov. Romney got some flak for joking that his five sons, while not serving in uniform, were helping their country by trying to get him elected. He has said it was a slip. If so, it wasn’t the first one.

In June, CNN’s John Roberts asked him about their not having joined the military, and Gov. Romney responded: “Each of my five sons gave two years of their life to the service of their church and I consider that service to be laudable. But I very highly value those who serve in the military. But it is a volunteer military. And I hope we keep it that way.” Talk about confusing church and state!

By Freedom Without Value

August 13, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — U.S. troops could withdraw from Iraq within months, but if Iraq’s government remains politically deadlocked, it probably would collapse and the nation would descend into chaos, a war game organized by the U.S. Army concluded earlier this month.

Now when Republicans were on the outside looking in at the many beautiful oil derricks in Iraq, the Iraqis were barbarians who were led by the biggest barbarian of all, Sadaam Hussein.

Now that the Republicans have their paws on all those beautiful oil derricks, the Iraqi people have suddenly morphed into caring compassionate lovers of freedom. They would have us believe that Sadaam and his two freako sons terrorized the entire country all by themselves.

What a total crock of BUSHSHIT. Why should Americans die for a society that didn’t care enough about its’ own children to overthrow a dictator. Now, we’re supposed to worry that they will throw away the supposed ‘freedom’ that they have been canonized with by his majesty, King George?

If Iraqis want freedom let em fight and die for it themselves. Freedom is not free, it cannot be earned in any other fashion, and it cannot be ‘given’ to them. They must earn it themselves and they must keep it themselves or their ‘freedon’ simply has NO VALUE to them or to anyone else.

By victoria

August 13, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

This is the same treatment Hank Aaron rec’d when he was about to break the fabricated record of some white man. A race is only legitimate if it’s all-inclusive. Most records by white people just shows they were the best whites to do what they did, not the best “OVERALL”at what they did. So, name a white record holder, if there be any that Blacks haven’t already taken over, and it’s really no good because it was just a competition amond whies, which, as you can see, do very little really good when others are included.

By mm

August 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Duh at 1:03,

[[[8 years of Clinton military cuts, what I believe you goonies called the “peace dividend,” they’re just supposed to be made up in one day?]]]

Another classic Duh. We’ve spent over $500 million. I think that could have paid for vehicle and body armor.

Oh, I forgot. Most of that money was spent on botched rebuilding projects and that ridiculous embassy in Baghdad. And the 190000 missing AK-47’s.

By victoria

August 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

This is the same treatment Hank Aaron rec’d when he was about to break the fabricated record of some white man. A race is only legitimate if it’s all-inclusive. Most records by white people just shows they were the best whites to do what they did, not the best “OVERALL”at what they did. So, name a white record holder, if there be any that Blacks haven’t already taken over, and it’s really no good because it was just a competition amond whies, which, as you can see, do very little really good when others are included.

By victoria

August 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

This is the same treatment Hank Aaron rec’d when he was about to break the fabricated record of some white man. A race is only legitimate if it’s all-inclusive. Most records by white people just shows they were the best whites to do what they did, not the best “OVERALL”at what they did. So, name a white record holder, if there be any that Blacks haven’t already taken over, and it’s really no good because it was just a competition amond whies, which, as you can see, do very little really good when others are included.

By Midori

August 13, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUT-H-H-H-H :)

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical August 13, 2007 2:58 PM If Iraqis want freedom let em fight and die for it themselves. Freedom is not free, it cannot be earned in any other fashion, and it cannot be ‘given’ to them. They must earn it themselves and they must keep it themselves or their ‘freedon’ simply has NO VALUE to them or to anyone else.}}}}

Spammie: You may be too much of spastic to figure this out but France and Germany fought beside us against Britain in the Revolutionary war that gave us our “freedon.”

Duh.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

In The News 2:51

Was that really you? Expressing an opinion?

I’m still a bit confused about this whole “why didn’t your kids join the military” thing. Romney put through health care reform in Mass. Why no questions on why his kids aren’t in med school? He’s taken a “control the border” approach. Why no questions on why his kids didn’t join the Fed gov’t civil service and become Border Patrol agents? He’s talked about enforcing laws. Why no questions on why he didn’t make them become just what this country needs: another lawyer?

If you have an opinion on that, that is -

By Here's The key Phrase

August 13, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

fought beside us

By Republican Progress

August 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Duh- You can say that again. France and Germany fought BESIDE US, not FOR US in the Revolutionary War. When you figure out the difference you will then know why entry into Iraqi civil conflicts was the dumbest idea from the dumbest President of all time.

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

NO

Ramesh Ponnuru

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

{{Just keep screeching, “Hitlary in ‘08 and Obama the big-eared negro as her running mate.}}

Pee-eewwww… the troll doo-doo is off the charts today! I thought BD said she/he was “Gone…” for today.

By IN THE NEWS

August 13, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

New rebuilding slogan: This Christmas, buy Iraqi

By Paul

August 13, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

In the News

Is that piece representative of Mr. Ponnuru’s reasoning and writing skills? If it is, people really take him seriously? If not - he still gets quoted?

By Duh stands for Democrats

August 13, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AntiRadical August 13, 2007 3:17 PM Duh- You can say that again. France and Germany fought BESIDE US, not FOR US in the Revolutionary War. When you figure out the difference you will then know why entry into Iraqi civil conflicts was the dumbest idea from the dumbest President of all time.}}}}

Spammie:

1) {{{{We were to meet U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and presidential envoy Meghan O’Sullivan, for a tour of what only a few months ago was the most feared insurgent stronghold in all of Iraq. No matter; no amount of warning could have prepared me for what I was about to witness. In the lead vehicle as we drove through town, I was amazed to see Iraqi police everywhere on the streets, reinforced very sparsely by U.S. troops: sometimes a single soldier standing by himself at an intersection, totally exposed.}}}}

2) I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the French and Germans in the Revolutionary War didn’t have a whole slew of partisan liberal goonies calling for them to cut and run, like we do.

Would you fight for a country that might be abandoned to all kinds of foreign terrorist cut throats, what am I talking about, this spammie fights against the country it lives in.

Weirdo.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

{{Romney put through health care reform in Mass. Why no questions on why his kids aren’t in med school?}}

Paul, Miffed Romney has called for increasing the military occupation in Iraq with another 100,000 troops. The question is, where will he get those numbers, especially if his big ole family is not willing to participate in those recruitment numbers??? I don’t see where he’s calling for 100,000 extra doctors or lawyers or border patrol agents. Is he doing that?

Once again, you’re trying to mix apples with oranges — and you know it!

By Republican Progress

August 13, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Escalation by the Numbers What “Progress” in Iraq Really Means

Here, then, is escalation in Iraq by the numbers — almost all of them continue to “surge” — as of mid-August 2008:

Number of American troops stationed in Iraq: 162,000 (plus at least several thousand government employees), an all-time high.

Number of attacks from June 2006 through May 2007 on U.S. supply convoys guarded by private-security contractors: 869, a near tripling from the previous twelve months.

Predicted cost of a surge of 21,500 American troops into Iraq, according to White House calculations in January 2007: $5.6 billion, a figure offered the month the President’s surge strategy was announced.

Predicted cost of a one-year surge of 30,000-40,000 troops, according to Robert Sunshine, assistant director for budget analysis of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office: $22 billion (two years for a cut-rate $40 billion). These figures were offered in testimony to Congress five months after the President’s surge was officially launched.

Percentage of dollars annually appropriated by the U.S. government and spent on Iraq-related activities: More than 10%, or one dollar out of every 10, according to the CBO’s Sunshine.

Estimated monthly cost of the Iraq (and Afghan) Wars: $12 billion — $10 billion for Iraq — a third higher than in 2006, according to the non-partisan Congressional Research Service.

Estimated total cost of the Iraq War, if Robert Sunshine’s “optimistic scenario” — 30,000 U.S. troops left in Iraq by 2010 — plays out: Over $1 trillion. (If his less optimistic scenario proves accurate — 75,000 troops in 2010 — closer to $1.5 trillion.)

Number of Iraqis estimated to have fled their country: Between 2 million and 2.5 million.

Number of unidentified bodies, assumedly murdered by death squads, found on the streets of Baghdad in June 2007: 453, a rise of 41% over January 2007, the month before surge operations began, according to unofficial Iraqi Health Ministry statistics taken from morgue counts

Percentage of Iraqis who cannot afford to buy enough to eat: 15%, according Oxfam.

Percentage of Iraqi children who are malnourished: 28% (compared to 19% before the invasion); Percentage of babies born underweight, 11% (

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Duh is right again,

Any student of history knows that we were invaded, our colonial government overthrown, and then after many years of resistance we acepted the freedom that was provided to us by others. Much like many people like myself are are wishing for another 9/11 attack to “wake us up” I also think that we should be invaded by someone who can free us from the liberals. I’m thinking that Islamic Terrorists would be almost as hostile to liberals as the right is. You know there wouldn’t be no gay marraige, abortion, porn, strip bars, drugs, liquor stores and other decadence forced upon us by liberal elites if they were running things. My guess is Osama would run a country that would make many Southern Baptists very happy except for the whole not lovin’ the baby Jesus thing.

RWNJIFG

By Bill

August 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

And now….Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey.

“If I were a bird, I think I’d enjoy the view. But If I were the view, I’d make sure the birds didn’t bombard me with their poop. Birds are funny that way.”

By Lord Help Us

August 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

With friends like these…

Mitt Romney on the eve of his victory in Iowa…“If there has ever been a time that we needed to see change in Washington, it is now.”

A stinging rebuke, to say the least…

Guess ol’ Willard won’t be dining with the Bush clan in Kennebunkport anytime soon, heh?

By Fly-on-the-wall

August 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Dear Duh,

You sir need a history lesson. France did help us in our Revolutionary War but Germany, which didn’t exist as you think of it, did NOT. If you remember your history the troops that Washington attacked when he crossed the Delaware were Hessians, i.e. Germans. The ‘Germans’ were the mercenary troops hired by Britain to help them fight the war. Please get your historical facts straight otherwise you’ll start to sound like John Beluchi in ‘Animal House’.

By mm

August 13, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Sorry Duh. I apologize. We’ve waisted $500 BILLION (and counting).

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

{{My guess is Osama would run a country that would make many Southern Baptists very happy except for the whole not lovin’ the baby Jesus thing.}}

You’re correct, Nut Job— there’s not really a big difference between Bin Laden and the Southern Baptists. And I speak with knowledge, being a recovering Baptist myself… it’s a tough program that one has to go through, all the way through a 24-step program (instead of the usual 12).

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

{{Would you fight for a country that might be abandoned to all kinds of foreign terrorist cut throats,}}

Andy-DUH, as opposed to our own home-grown terrorist cut throats? What’s the difference if we’re being attacked by American whackos like your pals in the Aryan Nation vs. “foreign” terrorists? You’re trying to appease the home-growns, are you???

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I agree that there could be quite a unique symbiosis between the far right evangelicals and Islamic Terrorists if they could both focus on the same target: all things they have decided are bad. If there is one thing that evangelicals and Islamists agree on its that there is a lot of things that we ought not be free to do because they say so.

Like I said, there isn’t much of a difference between myself, Duh and Osama except baby Jesus and I think that is a small thing relative to the evil we could stomp out if we joined forces against the liberals, “who, in God’s mercy, shall snuff it.”

(1 penny to the fisrt person who can identify the reference.)

RWNJIFG

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Dear Fly on the Wall, The Headless Horsemen was a Hessian! And an evil one at that.

Don’t you know, history doesn’t matter to folks like Duh/Andy.

Goldie - LOL about the Southern Baptist comment. Funny, funny.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Goldie

The concept was if a candidate states “I believe the Federal government should do “N” which will take another “Y” bodies” the question that follows //only on Iraq// is “Why don’t your kids take part?”

I think the entire line of questioning is quite immature - just another variation of personalizing policy issues.

So that’s why I see it as an apples-to-apples comparison.

BTW - I think such statement - without, as you’ve pointed out - having a ready response for such obvious follow-on questions, is why he’s stuck in the polls (Iowa and other examples notwithstanding).

But to your (rhetorical) question: how to get another 100,000 groundpoinders (and the money to pay?).

How’s this for starters: cancel the F-22 project. Same with the F-35. Cancel the Navy’s nuke subs and carriers in the pipeline. Pull out of(excuse me, uh, ‘redeploy’) from Europe, most of southeast Asia, most of Central America, Pacific. Take another 50 billion out of their budget - and make them absorb the cuts through reorganization and elimination of special pays. Eliminate the Tennessee Valley Authority, Rural Electrification, crop price supports, ethanol price supports. Cut Congressional staffs by half. Cut any subsidy to the auto industry. Same with airlines.

There. Question, answer, proposals.

TTYL -

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Hi Bosch

You brought up Executive Privilege/Rove earlier. Couple quick points:

Executive privilege is a very unsettled part of “law.” Very few court decisions - particularly Supreme Court. Applies to White House communications. Still at WH or not, Rove’s discussions occurred when he was a Presidential advisor. One way for Congress to attack a claim is regarding malfeasance, law violation. But in the past few years we’ve seen the concepts degenerate to a point where any policy dispute is malfeasance. Plus, denying Executive Privilege to get information to see if anything wrong happened will be tricky - regardless of the decision regarding Pres Nixon (which had different elements).

So I don’t expect much to come of it when Rove leaves - except for oh, say, another 25 or 30 hearings.

By The Watcher

August 13, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t War make MAKE policy issues personal?

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Paul, and where do you suggest that your guy Romney find another 100,000 Americans to occupy Iraq for the next decade? And since when do we try to keep “war” and “occupation” issues non-personal??? Are you a raving looney or what?

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Watcher

The point was not if a person “feels” an issue is “personal” (affects them). The point is making policy based upon a personal impact: “I don’t want my kids to have to sweat in the sun building a fence, so I’ll vote against a border fence.” “My nephew might get hurt if we continue war against jihadists, so I’ll make sure the military doesn’t do anything… military. No killing people or destroying things.”

Was in the context of the earlier discussion - anything a candidate advocates, his or her kids should take part. Hillary wants to keep 75,000 troops in Iraq for years. Chelsea? Time to leave the six-figure job. Biden wants intervention in Sudan. Biden kids - you can enlist up to age 42. Get going! You’ll be out of basic just in time!

Unless we never ask Democratic candidates those questions, that is.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

The Chinese toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head in an Easy Bake over. (His body was discoverd by Col. Mustard with the knife in the Library).

By The Watcher

August 13, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

We all get your point Paul.

Being a chickenhawk is just dandy!

I mean that’s why you’re still here isn’t it?

TTYL PLCIAA

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Hello Paul - Yes, I agree with you. I think we are all delusional if we think Rove is simply going to go fishing with his son more often.

Do you have any reflections on the actual cartoon for the day? I wasn’t being sarcastic earlier when I said I was completely ignorant about finances. I’ve bought a few houses in my day, but I, just like many Americans look at the monthly figures, what I can afford per month and take it from there.

This sounds very simplistic, but I truly believe that most Americans just don’t live within their means. Some can’t, like those who make minimum wage and have families to feed. Some choose not to, and whatever the reason, it is eating us up.

Have you bought a gallon of milk lately? Damn! I love my Mayfield juice, but I am not paying $5.00 for a gallon of milk!

By Buy Danish

August 13, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Just passing by, and I see that Sybil Bon Scott is still stoned on something.

To wit:

{{{By bon scott

August 13, 2007 1:14 PM |

Midri (SIC)- It’s not east being green. Do you think Bye Danush (SIC) owns a chunk of Sherwin Williams?}}

Sybil,

You’re confusing me with John Murtha now? Time for your friend Midori to perform an intervention.

Campbell began the Saturday debate by challenging a $2 million no-bid award to the Sherwin-Williams paint company for a “paint shield” against “microbial threats.” The Pentagon did not want this, but Murtha delivered his usual contemptuous retort: “We don’t apologize for [earmarks] because we think the [House] members* know as much about what goes on their district as the bureaucrats and the Defense Department.”

*This pork was sponsored by Stephanie Tubbs (D-OH))

Tell me again why we have to raise taxes?

And then we have rushncap:

{{{By rushncap

August 13, 2007 1:54 PM |

Muff — …And it’s not (Edwards) fault you’re too ugly to get married to anyone successful in life, so get over it already. }}}

rushncap,

Your Ouija Board is broken, Munchkin. Ask Mommy to send you a new one.

I’m sure that the Breck Girl is delighted to have another angry loser like you on his team representing the unhappy underbelly of the “Two Americas”.

Maybe you could start a blog for him and talk about “God Bags” to really help his candidacy.

CU at Happy Hour perhaps?

Maybe…

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

{{Unless we never ask Democratic candidates those questions, that is.}}

Paul— please let us know which Dem candidate is proposing an increase of 100,000 Americans to occupy Iraq, if you have that info. Thanks!

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Watcher

See my comments on “personalizing issues” vs “making policy by personalizing.” Huge difference. FDR would have made policy by personalizing if he’d said “my kids could get hurt if I declared war on Pearl Harbor. I’ll let it pass.” That’s the “policy by personalizing” part.

Goldie

“Raving looney?” Been watching BBC again? Please do not ascribe to me positions I’ve never stated - or misinterpret a policy discussion as advocacy. You asked

“Paul, Miffed Romney has called for increasing the military occupation in Iraq with another 100,000 troops. The question is, where will he get those numbers”

and I gave you some options. Never said I supported his position. Troop numbers are tied to DoD funding. I gave options on where to cut to free up the funds to get the numbers.

Here’s a question for you. I take it Hillary’s “your gal?” (Just like Mitt’s “my guy”)? She wants 75,000 troops for a decade in Iraq, I believe. Maybe longer. She’s not much for specifics. Still, it’s not much less than Romney’s number.

Where’s she gonna get them? Same place as Romney? They must have the same foreign policy advisor!

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Watcher 4:19

At a loss for rational discussion, making a point, discussing it, so default to namecalling (the “chickenhawk”)? I forget, is that an ultralib or a neocon characteristic? And is that a label, a characteristic or a perjorative?

By Bill

August 13, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head in an Easy Bake Oven. His body was later found by Col. Mustard, with a rope, in the library.

By RE

August 13, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I agree with you on the general attitude towards credit and housing.

It is going to get much worse before it gets better. Housing prices will fall drastically in the next few months. Loans in excess of 417k, which is the federally backed fannie-freddie limit are held by private lenders, this is referred to as a jumbo loan. The past few years, Jumbo loans were 0.375 - 0.50 % higher rate than loan under 417k. In the past week the private money has dried up. Rates are now 1.5-2% higher than traditional mortgages, meaning that jumbo loans are now at rates of about 8% or higher.

To put it in perspective, a loan for 417k at 6.5% is $2635/mo. a loan for 418k at 8% is 3067/mo.

Anyone who’s house has a value over 417k, be prepared to loose a lot of equity in the next few months. And then that pushes down all other prices.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

{{She wants 75,000 troops for a decade in Iraq, I believe. Maybe longer.}}

Paul, please provide the link for this. Thanks!

By The Watcher

August 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Not at a loss, no default,

just plain calling you a name.

Chickenhawk.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 13, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Fly-on-the-wall August 13, 2007 3:32 PM Dear Duh You sir need a history lesson. France did help us in our Revolutionary War but Germany, which didn’t exist as you think of it, did NOT.}}}}

Oh yeah?

{{{{On February 23, 1778 Frederick William Baron von Steuben reported to General George Washington at the Continental Army’s bleak winter encampment at Valley Forge. Speaking virtually no English and at an unexpected ebb in his professional fortunes, Steuben nevertheless brought a depth of military training and grasp of command techniques sorely needed by the bedraggled, ragtag army. With his lofty military reputation, forceful bearing and colorful personality, the Prussian commander had an immediate galvanizing effect on the disorganized insurgents. He soon became one of Washington’s most valued officers-an essential figure in the success of the American War of independence. Commissioned to mold the troops into an efficient fighting force, Steuben formed a model drill company of one hundred men, transformed it into a precision unit copied throughout the ranks, and captured the imagination of the entire army.}}}}

Why would anyone question me?

~~~~~~

{{{{By Goldie August 13, 2007 3:41 PM {{Would you fight for a country that might be abandoned to all kinds of foreign terrorist cut throats,}} Andy-DUH, as opposed to our own home-grown terrorist cut throats? What’s the difference if we’re being attacked by American whackos like your pals in the Aryan Nation vs. “foreign” terrorists? You’re trying to appease the home-growns, are you???}}}}

Yeah, Goldie, nobody piles up the bodies like the Aryan nation, Islamic fanatics can only wish to be that deadly.

(Geez, does any of you liberals time get spent thinking?)

~~~~~

{{{{By nut job August 13, 2007 3:48 PM Like I said, there isn’t much of a difference between myself, Duh and Osama except baby Jesus and I think that is a small thing relative to the evil we could stomp out if we joined forces against the liberals, “who, in God’s mercy, shall snuff it.”}}}}

Yep, my favorite part of church is when we drag the infidels down to the alter and behead them.

(Geez, does any of you liberals time get spent thinking?)

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Goldie 4:23

Why should I defend something Romney said? I think it’s a bit daft. Or justify or attack a Dem candidate for doing something similar, or not?

Okay, you asked “increase.” But it seems you’re dodging the Dem position that started out to mean “get out” now means “get out of direct combat, most of the time, except when genocide or other really bad things happen, then we’ll just redeploy from… somewhere nearby. Haven’t decided where yet. Don’t know who wants us. But it’s moral imperialism so it’s okay.”

Hillary’s laundry list of jobs troops will do for years in Iraq? The op-eds about how all the only Dem candidate who means “get all of the troops out now!” when he/she says “get out” is Gov Richardson? Sen Biden’s widely-reported quote a couple debates back about “it’s time to tell the truth here” when his opponents implied “get out of Iraq” meant “everyone.”

BTW - I offered up some program cuts to pay for an ongoing occupation. Since the likely Dem candidate also supports ongoing occupation - any ideas on how to pay for it?

By Bill

August 13, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head in an Easy Bake Oven.

His mutilated body was found by Col. Mustard, with the knife, in the Library.

The Toy Czar was thought to be responsible for poison toys getting into the USA. His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a hula hoop but was unsuccessful.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Hello Bosch

I think the ‘toon’s a good illustration of a ripple effect. I think reforms in the industry are needed - another way I think “free market” goes awry. If you’re not college prep, high school prepares you for what? And where in high school do students learn about personal finance, budgeting, etc? No where. So where do many, many adults learn? Absorption, I guess. So I just don’t buy the “they’re adults, tough” line.

It affects educated folks, too (they can still make poor choices). I’ve a friend, advanced degrees, got transferred to a “hot” housing area three years ago, knew his company would force a move in a few years. He bought. I told him the market was shakey. He was enamored by the appreciation from contract to build until move-in, then more appreciation over the following months. Zip down, housing prices have tumbled there, guess what? Mandatory move! I feel sorry for him. But not enough to take money from my pocket, send it to the gov’t and have them give it to him to make up for his poor choices. He’s going to have to tap his retirement savings to weather this.

Regular milk’s about the same price as organic. Change to organic!

By RE

August 13, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

How to pay for it….

Interesting question Paul, one that has not been asked by a republican in about 6 years. Maybe if they call it an “emergency spending bill” they will not have to.

What happens when the chinese stop loaning us money anyway?

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Thanks RE - Luckily my house is not in that range. I don’t live in Atlanta, so I can afford a lot more house for the money. I have an 90 year old “fixer upper” that is a really great house. We decided to get some equity out to do some of the work we need - so we are refinancing this week. We seemed to get a pretty good deal, so I’m excited and my new home projects will hopefully add some more to the value. We’ll see.

The current housing trend is very unsettling, like I said, I dont’ know exactly HOW, but it always seems when the housing market is slow, everything seems to slow down. AND I think people just in general buy too much stuff they don’t need.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his Dick in an Easy Bake Oven.

His mutilated body was discovered by Col. Mustard, with the rope, in the library.

His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a hula-hoop, but was unsuccessful.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

{{Why should I defend something Romney said? I think it’s a bit daft.}}

I agree, Paul — WHY would you defend something he said? Like when you took the time to post a defense @ 3:14?

You keep trying to equate what the Repug candidates are saying with the Dems’ statements, and it just ain’t gonna work — and you know it!

By Paul

August 13, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Goldie, 4:38

Here you are – Hillary’s “I’ll stay in Iraq a long, long, long time” and the associated troop level estimates - from someone with a similar position (Hillary won’t get specific). This made a bunch of her supporters grind their teeth. Frankly, we could see, by the general election, not a heckuva lot of difference between the candidates’ Iraq positions. That’s why I’d like to see a “war against jihadism” debate instead of an Iraq debate.

Link: Hillary in NYT - it depends on how you define get out

Watcher

Thanks for making my point -

RE

Or a Democrat! But by a few Libertarians and Greens! Bite your tongue! :)

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

“If you’re going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein, you have to go to Baghdad. Once you’ve got Baghdad, it’s not clear what you do with it. It’s not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that’s currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it’s set up by the United States military when it’s there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?”

“[I]f Saddam wasn’t there, his successor probably wouldn’t be notably friendlier to the United States than he is. I also look at that part of the world as of vital interest to the United States; for the next hundred years it’s going to be the world’s supply of oil. We’ve got a lot of friends in the region. We’re always going to have to be involved there. Maybe it’s part of our national character, you know, we like to have these problems nice and neatly wrapped up, put a ribbon around it. You deploy a force, you win the war, and the problem goes away, and it doesn’t work that way in the Middle East; it never has and isn’t likely to in my lifetime”

Who said this: Dick Cheney. Damn he was stupid back then. It is amazing how he used to have all of his predictions go wrong but now he’s always right.

RWNJIFG

By Bosch

August 13, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Paul, Did your friend live one of those, imho, horrible subdivisions (sometimes gated) that have about a foot of space in between houses and the houses are made with sawdust? I think those type of houses/developments are another part of the problem with the housing market. I can’t really explain that feeling, but they just don’t seem right. I know that makes absolutely no sense. It just seems like those houses can’t keep any kind of value with the obvious depreciation. I know people who live in those kinds of houses, and after a couple of years, the house is falling apart.

I would also like to see someone knock on my door on a Saturday morning to tell me my grass was 1/2 inch too high.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head inside an Easy Bake Oven.

His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a GI Joe w/KungFu Grip, but was unsuccesful.

The Czar’s mutilated body was discovered by Col. Mustard with the knife in the Library.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Thanks for that link @ 4:58, Paul. And I didn’t see anywhere where Hillary has stated that “75,000 troops” will be required for protecting our “interests” in the Middle East… what I read was words like this instead:

““So it will be up to me to try to figure out how to protect those national security interests and continue to take our troops out of this urban warfare, which I think is a loser,” Mrs. Clinton added. She declined to estimate the number of American troops she would keep in Iraq, saying she would draw on the advice of military officers.”“

I don’t see where you can keep trying to equate Hillary’s position on this with Romney’s proposed increase of 100,000 Americans.

By RW-(the original)

August 13, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Goldie has a point about not equating statements from Republican candidates with those of Democrat candidates. There’s a very good chance the Republican means what he or she says and there is very little chance the Democrat means what they said.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Paul— And these words, too, from your link about Hillary:

{{Mrs. Clinton has said she would vote for a proposed Democratic resolution on Iraq now being debated on the floor of the Senate, which sets a goal of withdrawing combat forces by March 31, 2008. Asked if her plan was consistent with the resolution, Mrs. Clinton and her advisers said it was, noting that the resolution also called for “a limited number” of troops to stay in Iraq to protect the American Embassy and other personnel, train and equip Iraqi forces, and conduct “targeted counterterrorism operations.”}}

You apparently think that this is the same words that Romney has used when he stated that he wants to “INCREASE” the American troops in Iraq by 100,000. Oh, and he also wants to “double” the size of Gitmo — I guess everything has to be increased and that will solve everything, is that it? He’s really a great Repug for prez in ‘08, yes? He and Giuliani… ROFL!

The Dems Can’t Wait For ‘08!

By Paul

August 13, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Goldie 4:55

I’m surprised you took my 3:14 that way. What I was trying to express, there and in subsequent posts, that the entire line of “you make a comment on Iraq, why don’t your kids serve” is just plain silly and is generally directed only towards Republican candidates.

It’s not equating their positions. Or justifying them. It’s about the media comments on them. I’d have made the same comment if the same silly op-ed argument had been written by Krugman about Obama.

My point was, Hillary seems to avoid specifics at all costs – which is why I said the 75,000 in the article was from a comparable plan.

I’m not trying to equate Romney’s increase with Hillary’s decrease. It seems to me that a year after taking office, the Dem and Rep plans are comparable. It seems to me it’s shaping up as:

Republican: we’ll stay in Iraq. Lots of troops. Levels up or down as the situation warrants. Try to avoid more combat. We’ll be there for years.

Democrat: we’ll get out of Iraq. Mostly. Likely leave some tens of thousands in country. Maybe move some tens of thousands nearby. Those that do stay (who didn’t get out) will not take part in combat. Unless something bad happens. But we won’t discuss hypotheticals. We’ll be there for years.

And neither party discusses an energy policy, alternative fuels, government research support, so we can really get out.

Bosch

Yup – but the lots were larger.

By RE

August 13, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Good job on timing with the refi. Make sure you get a 30yr fixed rate, unless you are sure you are going to be moving out. Take all the money you think you might need, you will not have the value or rates like this for a long time.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

I have not seen any reports from Iraq .

Wonder why?

Geez.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

{{There’s a very good chance the Republican means what he or she says and there is very little chance the Democrat means what they said.}}

Yeah, RW— and that’s why your Repug candidates are stating that your Party will have to be re-built, because you’ve all been “meaning” what you say??? Oh, that’s a beaut!

ROFLMAO!

By Dusty

August 13, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You really amaze me. You keep trying to put rational statements and facts before these liberals and think they might listen. I think that is a losing game although I believe you would try no other way.

Propaganda producers such as these liberals are not looking for facts. They are looking for “Impact” lies that sound possible. They use them here all the time: Cheney shot someone so he’s criminal, Rove engineered (illegal)elections, you’re drinking again, go sign up, the surge can’t work, you’re a loony, terrorists and Baptists would get along, on and on without any sign of reason.

I guess that liberals believe that old saying “If you tell a lie often enough, someone will believe it.” They keep right on with big bonehead lies and expect someone, anyone, to actually accept their crazy concoctions.

Well, good luck on a hopeless job. I admire the tenacity of truthfulness you present.

By Doom bowled 356 today.

August 13, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Doom gets a kick out of all the useless dialogue on this blog. You people have nothing better to do with your time than to prove your stupidity.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

{{that the entire line of “you make a comment on Iraq, why don’t your kids serve” is just plain silly and is generally directed only towards Republican candidates.}}

Paul, and it really bothers you that the Repugs are having to justify their desire to INCREASE the number of Americans occupying Iraq??? Is that maybe the reason the question is only directed at them???

Maybe you’re not a raving looney, but you are “just plain silly” for not seeing the difference in positions? No wonder you’re so confused.

To quote our friend Getalife: GEEZ!

By Bill

August 13, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head inside an Easy Bake Oven.

His mutilated body was found by Col. Mustard, with the candlestick, in the library.

His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a GI Joe equipped with the Kung Fu Grip.

The pair was distraught over allowing all those Poison-Me Elmos into the USA.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

{{Democrat: we’ll get out of Iraq. Mostly. Likely leave some tens of thousands in country. Maybe move some tens of thousands nearby. Those that do stay (who didn’t get out) will not take part in combat. Unless something bad happens. But we won’t discuss hypotheticals. We’ll be there for years.}}

Paul— you just love to BLAH BLAH BLAH, dontcha? Your posts about Hillary and “75,000” American troops in Iraq for decades comes from where, exactly? Watching too much what on TV at night???

Oh yeah— now I remember that you’re a big fan of Bill Orally’s show. That explains so much…

By Paul

August 13, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Goldie 5:16

[[You apparently think that this is the same words that Romney has used when he stated that he wants to “INCREASE” the American troops in Iraq by 100,000.]]

How many different ways can I say “no”? Did my last post clear this up?

The rest is more fun with words. “Withdraw combat forces…” And the Army troops who are left - are what? Especially the ones in whatever country nearby she’ll force to take the troops under “redeployment” - are combat forces. It just strikes me she avoids specifics at all costs, then plays with words like “combat forces” or “military forces, not combat forces, in a combat area, who could be called upon for combat, or not..”

RW-(the original) 5:09

Mean what they say, as in “get out”?

From last week - poking with a stick can be mildly entertaining -

By AmVet

August 13, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS, your link to that video at 10:53 is particularly disturbing on several fronts.

I would love to hear the VP explain the epiphany he had in the ensuing 8 or 9 years that so drastically countermanded everything he said then!

But I can imagine it would pretty much revolve around WMD’s, “not waiting for the mushroom cloud as the smoking gun”, uranium from Niger, unsupportable claims of Al Queda complicity and Hussein’s disregard for resolutions from the “irrelevant” United Nations, etc.

But as virtually all of those claims save the last one were repudiated either completely or darn near, it is extremely hard to understand what this men was thinking, IN LIGHT OF HIS OWN WORDS, very few years earlier.

And even none of that changes any of the many dangers he cited - going it completely alone, an almost total lack of Arab support, high American casualties, who replaces Saddam and the ensuing quagmire.

This Bush/Cheney clusterfork in Iraq is truly mind boggling at times.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide today by sticking his head inside of an Easy Bake Oven.

His assistant also tried to strangle himself by using the KungFu Grip on a GI Joe.

By Buy Danish

August 13, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Dusty and Paul,

{{{By Bosch

August 13, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Karl Rove - GONE!!!! I wonder how he’ll weasel around executive privledge (SIC) now?}}}

Bosch,

Executive privilege still applies.

The fact that they are no longer present employees has nothing to do with the principle of executive privilege and the information protection that that affords.

DUH. This is just common sense…unless you’re a Moonbat who doesn’t understand the concept of “principles”.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You say that Terrorists and Baptists wouldn’t get along. Fair enough. But tell me: If a terrorist could only kill one of two people: an evangelical Christian and a “Hollywood liberal elite” and the decision to kill was based on each person’s personal preference regarding morality and the Government’s role in it, who would he choose to kill?

If you say that Baptist, you know you are lying. The Baptist and the Islamist would agree on a whole hell of a lot more than either would agree with a liberal. I don’t think that the liberal would survive “gay marraige” before having his head chopped off. While you may disagree about the punishment you would both agree that gay marrige was wrong.

So going back to my point, we as crazy loony bin fascists should try to find common ground with the Islamists and team up against a common enemy: the liberals.

RWNJIFG

By Bill

August 13, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide today by sticking his head inside of an Easy Bake Oven.

His assistant also tried to strangle himself using the KungFu Grip of a GI Joe.

The pair were distraught over allowing some defective hula-hoops (which can cause genital mutilation) into the USA.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty 5:23

Thanks. Every so often some good ideas or points pop up. I’m just amazed - in general - and thanks to Biden for opening this up - that on Iraq the Dem voters are getting hosed. It’ll probably happen with taxes, too. All the good, wonderful programs that’ll cost billions. But won’t really cost anything. Because ‘the government’ just does it. Or will tax only rich people.

If Dems are gonna love ‘08 they may just say “what the @!!#$@ happened?” in ‘09!

Goldie 5:25

Doesn’t bother me a bit. I think Reps who want increases should justify them - especially when the military leadership hasn’t asked for it! But asking “why don’t your kids enlist, huh? huh?” does not address that. Or anything, for that matter. As Dusty said, another sound bite that sounds good, but upon reflection, sounds vapid.

Just as I think Dem candidates should define specifics of what “get out” means.

Goldie 5:32

You’re asking me where the Hillary statement and numbers came from? Didn’t you just thank me for providing the New York Times article that contained both????

BTW - if you don’t like the analysis that attempted to put specific numbers to Hillary’s generalities, take it up with the Times.

By RE

August 13, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Bill, it aint getting funnier

By Bill

August 13, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Point of order: The KungFu Grip equipped GI Joe toy doll has been responsible for 68 accidental stranglings since 1982 in the USA alone.

It was thought to be the most painful form of suicide by forensic criminologists until it was discovered in 2001 that defective hula-hoops can be used for genital mutilation in some rights-of-passage ceremonies of certain rain forest clans in the lower delta region of the Amazon basin.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Bill

Too much information.

By Bill

August 13, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

The Toy Czar left a suicide note on an Etch-n-Sketch. It read, “Looky looky! Balls on hooky!”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Paul says: ‘“why don’t your kids enlist, huh? huh?” does not address that. Or anything, for that matter. As Dusty said, another sound bite that sounds good, but upon reflection, sounds vapid.’

Just playing devil’s advocate here for a minute, but if you are saying that the war is a really good idea and that it is important to win it and that dems are wimps for wanting to leave, aren’t you kinda asking for that question?

I mean you can’t sell the war as a we must win or we all die and then say “I’m gonna sit this one out.”

I don’t think that questions about hawks children’s military service are always relevant to every military engagement, but it certainly calls into question one’s credibility if you raise the stakes as high as they can be and then say “so what my 5 kids aren’t serving?”

It does seem to me that any war that was “do or die” would require sacrifice from everyone. All we’ve been asked to do is shop. That really doesn’t raise the attention of the public and probably makes many people feel like the people who are selling the war are full of crap. At least that’s what I think those 70% are thinking.

RWNJIFG

By Bill

August 13, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Toys R Us has issued a statement concerning the suicide by Elmo death of the Chinese Toy Ministry guy. “We regret that model airplane glue was being huffed by the Chinese Toy Czar to the point where he would then abuse a GI Joe equipped with the KungFu Grip…IF that’s indeed what done happened to the dirty chink.”

By AmVet

August 13, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

And the debate about the draft and it’s corollaries such as who of our elected leaders have served and who haven’t, rages on, I see!

As one who enlisted in a time of war and whose son has followed in my footsteps, I have a few pertinent thoughts.

First, Ive said before that military service is not the defining experience for qualified leadership of our members of Congress, the White House, etc.

But I feel it can be extremely valuable, perhaps even irreplaceable, especially in a time of war.

As I’ve also noted, I believe that a major reason for the near total mismanagement of this invasion and occupation in Iraq has been an almost complete lack of said experience by the men who seem to have no real idea how to effectively prosecute a war.

Yes these men rely upon the Pentagon for input, but they are ultimately the ones who make all of the policy decisions and their backgrounds and service, or lack thereof, play heavily in this.

I feel that the White House usually gets way too much of the credit when things are going well (like the economy) and gets way too much of the blame when it is not (like the economy!).

The one thing that I have always looked to Washington for, is perhaps an outdated notion, of leadership by example and by the characteristics of the men who are there.

Have they walked the walked before they got to the ivory tower? Have they demonstrated true courage and valor? Have they had a silver spoon in their mouth from day one? These are usually the things that indicate to me if they are truly leaders or just political entertainers that make up our plutocracy.

One of the many things that is hard to square about all of this, is this notion, that as the VP said, “you go to war with the army you have.”

Perhaps, but can we accomplish this nebulous mission with that army?

It appears not.

By Buy Danish

August 13, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

I’ve been out of town recently and I’m wondering - Has anybody been talking about the mysterious murder of the Kenyan Christian woman and her daughter?

You know, this story which never mentions the word “Islam” or “Muslim”…not even once.

How very convenient.

GoldiDhimmi,

If you think this babbling jackass “Bill” is me, you are even more clueless than even I thought possible. Polly and his ridiculous shtick is all yours and his “sense of humor” fits right in with the likes of that idiot Nut Job too.

By @@

August 13, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Getalife, this is for you.

China affirms dollar’s global reserve status

(((Beijing on Sunday sought to repair fallout from reports it could use its $1,330bn foreign exchange holdings to put pressure on Washington and the dollar with a statement affirming the importance of the US dollar as a global reserve currency.)))

(((The article was based on the published comments of two members of government economic research institutes, He Fan and Xia Bin.)))

(((But Mr He, a Harvard-educated economist, said his views, about how an appreciating renminbi could force China to sell US dollars, had been “misrepresented”.)))

(((Mr Xia, a well-known maverick, said in a recent speech China’s reserves could be used as a “bargaining chip” with the US.)))

(((Andy Rothman, of CLSA, the brokerage, in Shanghai, said any Chinese sell-off of dollar assets was unlikely as it would rebound on China’s substantial holdings of US Treasuries.)))

(((Mr Rothman said: “If they started selling a significant portion, the market would react and the value of the rest of China’s Treasuries … would quickly plummet.”)))

‘Ya know Mr. Luckovich Webmaster, Wooten’s site is doing just fine with the ability to italicize and embolden.

How about it?

If conservatives and liberals alike can tolerate “Kill Bill”, we can tolerate anything.

Whaddya say…give us back our perks.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

{{Yep, my favorite part of church is when we drag the infidels down to the alter and behead them.}}

DUH @ 4:41— No, what you evangelicals are encouraged to do instead is PRAY that GOD will smite down those “liberals” with hurricanes and tornadoes… millions and millions of “liberals” living in cities all around America, and your leaders keep asking God to smite them down. Always blaming those “feminists and gays” for all the woes in America.

You let your leaders spout what their “Christian values” really mean and, no, they’re not much different from the Taliban or Al-Qaeda…

By Paul

August 13, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG

Devil’s Advocate is fine - that’s how good policy comes about. Was a weakness in the Bush Administration. And will be so in a Hillary administration.

I was not saying the Iraq war is a good idea. Or a bad one. Dem and Rep candidates are making their points. So far, all but Richardson involve risking soldiers’ lives. For years. Troop increase or decrease is irrelevant. They all involve a certain number of troops. So American deaths and injuries will continue. So the question you’re addressing could be asked of any of them.

The “kids” under consideration are adults. I’m amazed at the number of people who are fine with parents directing the career choices of their adult offspring.

The “shop” statement, I think, was off base. Reassurance to not cause panic. As was not even identifying the enemy - jihadists (not speaking of Iraq, here - the two tend to overlap in these discussions).

But back to your question. The nature of Iraq (and the war on jihadism) will neither require nor cause equitable “sacrifice” across the populace for the foreseeable future. There will be a danger, certain elements will volunteer to serve.

It just strikes me as fundamentally different than say, a celebrity preaching about global warming, then leaving the rally in a stretched Suburban limo. That’s an appropriate arena for ‘Do as I advocate, not as I do.’

Y’know, the same argument, if accepted, would even apply to the military services. Army/Marines take the brunt. If a future Chairman, Joint Chiefs who’s navy gives advice on conducting a huge, bloody operation, well, shouldn’t we park some ships, give the sailors some training and send them on patrol? Just a bit of late-afternoon exaggeration to illustrate a point.

By getalife

August 13, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Well, I never!

If I had a nickle for every geez you posters still from me, I could buy a beer.

Geez®

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

{{You’re asking me where the Hillary statement and numbers came from? Didn’t you just thank me for providing the New York Times article that contained both????}}

No, Paul— your link confirmed that “75,000” was YOUR NUMBER, not Hillary’s or the other Dems’. You’re still conflating and undulating and flatulating…

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

{{I mean you can’t sell the war as a we must win or we all die and then say “I’m gonna sit this one out.”}}

Thank you once again, Nut Job — it’s exhausting to try and make sense of the inane arguments about not making “personal” statements regarding war! How much more personal can a topic be…

By getalife

August 13, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

@@ and Paul,

Try to keep it short and sweet.

Geez.

Anyhoo,

They are all mavericks, commie, pinko mavericks.

China should scare you more than the Muslims. Most of the money they make from us, they spend on their military.

When they draft the young folks, I will stay here and fight those pinkos when they invade us.

By @@

August 13, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Hey, global warming could be a good thing.

Russia: Natural Gas Exports Down 11.9 Percent

Natural gas deliveries to states not belonging to the Commonwealth of Independent States — including those in Europe — declined by 14.8 percent due to lower demand in Europe caused by warmer weather than in the previous year.

Putin’s poots could go down as well.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 13, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie August 13, 2007 6:34 PM You let your leaders spout what their “Christian values” really mean and, no, they’re not much different from the Taliban or Al-Qaeda…}}}}

You must live next door to a really fearsome Christian family, or maybe you are confusing them with some cult.

Or you are just simply whacked out.<————————!!!!!!!!

So we Christians express disdain with people that drill holes in babies heads and we think that the liberal/ Hollywood moral culture is depraved and dehumanizing and this puts us in the same league as the head choppers and shopping center bombers?

Really?

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

{{When they draft the young folks, I will stay here and fight those pinkos when they invade us.}}

Geez, Getalife— I’m with you. And I don’t care if those Neo-Cons call me an “insurgent” for fighting those commie-occupiers!

By @@

August 13, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Talk to the Financial Times. Those were their words, not mine.

I like to put it up there for you to read. If it ain’t from the DailyKos or Huff’nPuff, you don’t bother.

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

{{Really?}}

DUH— time that you confess: how many times have YOU prayed that GOD would bring down his wrath on all those “liberals” in America (now looking about 70% of America, give or take a percentage or two). Be a true Christian, and be honest: how many times???

By Paul

August 13, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Goldie

The 4:58 link to the New York Times article analyzing Hillary’s latest “position” on Iraq was two pages long. Only the first page showed on screen. One has to click “2” or “next” to get to the end of the article. I said Hillary talked in generalities and the Times took her comments and put numbers to them (she would say only “a limited number”). On page 2 the Times wrote (after discussing Hillary’s plan):

“The idea of repositioning American forces to minimize American casualties, discourage Iranian, Syrian and Turkish intervention, and forestall the Kurds’ declaring independence is not a new one. It has been advocated by Dov S. Zakheim, who served as the Pentagon’s comptroller under former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. Mr. Zakheim has estimated that no more than 75,000 troops would be required, compared to the approximately 160,000 troops the United States will have in Iraq when the additional brigades in Mr. Bush’s plan are deployed.

While Mrs. Clinton declined to estimate the size of a residual American troop presence…”

We won’t even address the irony of Hillary coming up with a plan with similarities to Rumsfeld’s DoD comptroller.

Hillary wouldn’t put a number to her plan. The Times did. So you can refer to it as “The New York Times number” instead of “YOUR number” (with or without caps).

I believe a letter to the editor link will be at their Home page or on the editorial page so you can direct your ire at the appropriate target.

I still don’t see how her plan squares with the quote in the article where she said :

“On the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly vowed to bring the war to a close if the fighting were still going on when she took office as president. “If we in Congress don’t end this war before January 2009, as president, I will,” she has said.”

I guess “end” doesn’t mean “stop” and “get out” doesn’t mean “everybody leave.”

You may want to consider Richardson. He’s pretty clear on what he means.

By @@

August 13, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Alright, I just spent twenty minutes on the phone answering questions for some political poll. Questions about the administration, congress, the Iraq war, the economy, the whole nine yards.

The last question…

Are you caucasian, African American, Hispanic or Asian?

What in the heck does that have to do with anything?

My answer?

I’m a “dark” Republican.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

getalife 6:45

Short? Doubtful.

Sweet? Always.

geez

(I’ll buy ya’ a beer on nickel night).

By Bill

August 13, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

The Chinese Toy Ministry Czar committed suicide today by sticking his fingers inside of a torture device called the finger trap bamboo thingie.

A suicide note was found on a nearby etch-n-sketch.

Toys R Us issued an obituary which highlighted the Toy Czar’s life including the time he used a toy AK47 to draw fire from passing truant officers at a middle school playground, killing 37 seventh graders in Peoria in 1996.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

@@

Check the Huffington link at 12:37.

It got Zero comment from her fans here!

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

{{“It has been advocated by Dov S. Zakheim, who served as the Pentagon’s comptroller under former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. Mr. Zakheim has estimated that no more than 75,000 troops would be required, compared to the approximately 160,000 troops the United States will have in Iraq when the additional brigades in Mr. Bush’s plan are deployed.”}}

Paul— that reads like it’s Rumsfeld’s numbers, not Hillary’s. I suggest that you write to the NYT or Hillary yourself if you need clarification about WHOSE NUMBERS that “75,000” is…

By TW

August 13, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

During this most critical time in Iraq, the surge, Karl Rove has quit on our troops.

By Paul

August 13, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Let me rephrase. Hillary wouldn’t give a number for her plan. The Times came up with an estimate. Based upon a similar plan from Rumsfeld’s Comptroller.

Ask Hillary. It’s an easy question. Then we’ll both know.

If she’ll get specific.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

August 13, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

Paul: Way off base?

Bush:

“As we work with Congress in the coming year to chart a new course in Iraq and strengthen our military to meet the challenges of the 21st century, we must also work together to achieve important goals for the American people here at home. This work begins with keeping our economy growing. … And I encourage you all to go shopping more.”

I didn’t pull it out of thin air. He said it. I’ve got 60k in credit card because of it. I’m gonna do my duty.

RWNJIFG

By Goldie

August 13, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

{{You may want to consider Richardson. He’s pretty clear on what he means.}}

Paul and RW and you other trolls here: you may want to draft your guy from VA to run for Prez— what-his-name “Macaca Allen”… he’s pretty clear on what he means, too.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 13, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Goldie August 13, 2007 6:55 PM {{Really?}}DUH— time that you confess: how many times have YOU prayed that GOD would bring down his wrath on all those “liberals” in America (now looking about 70% of America, give or take a percentage or two). Be a true Christian, and be honest: how many times???}}}}

Goldilocks: You got some major issues with reality that you need to deal with, soon.

(Where does this^^ insanity come from, watching too much Oprah?)

~~~~~~

{{{{If I am right about this, an enormous prize is within our reach. We can not only deny the clones of Bin Ladenism a military victory in Iraq, we can also discredit them in the process and in the eyes (and with the help) of a Muslim people who have seen them up close. We can do this, moreover, in a keystone state of the Arab world that guards a chokepoint—the Gulf—in the global economy. As with the case of Afghanistan—where several provinces are currently on a knife-edge between an elected government that at least tries for schools and vaccinations, and the forces of uttermost darkness that seek to negate such things—the struggle will take all our nerve and all our intelligence. But who can argue that it is not the same battle in both cases, and who dares to say that it is not worth fighting?}}}}

By Bill

August 13, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

A suicide note by the Chinese Toy Czar was left on an Etch-n-Sketch.

By @@

August 13, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I’d bet the liberals had no comment to the Huffington link because they probably got duped into contributing.

So Arianna thinks the millionaire candidates’ hurt feelings should be soothed with mo’ money….the same Arianna Huffington whose response, when told that innocent women and children would die if we pulled out of Iraq, was……”I DON’T CARE.”

Cue the music ——

Over here…over here…cause over there…WE DON’T CARE…we need it here.

It’s scary to think that liberals are so easily exploited. The Republicans are always asking me for monetary contributions. I always tell them to show me the money and I’ll give you my time.

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